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Title: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: doison on September 25, 2006, 06:33:31 PM
I'm getting ready for my first show, and have the best dieting strategy ever. 
I work at a GNC, and was thinking....since glutamine isn't absorbed, and therefore is useless, I'll just take a ton of it to keep me from being hungry. 

The manager is my good friend, so he let me take a bunch of glutamine tubs from the back. 

I've been having over 500g of glutamine a day.  I just mix a bunch with crystal light.  So, it's like a huge protein drink that keeps me full all day.  I haven't been hungry the entire diet.  If I ever get hungry, and it's not time to eat, I just load up about 3 scoops (protein scoops, not glutamine scoops) of glutamine and mix with crystal light.  Viola....hunger gone!
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: G o a t b o y on September 25, 2006, 06:37:18 PM
What do you mean it's not absorbed?  It's an amino acid, why wouldn't it be absorbed?

Secondly, has anyone ever investigated whether there are any adverse effects of consuming that much glutamine?  How does it feel to be a human guinea pig?  ::)
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: jmt1 on September 25, 2006, 06:39:26 PM
I'm getting ready for my first show, and have the best dieting strategy ever. 
I work at a GNC, and was thinking....since glutamine isn't absorbed, and therefore is useless, I'll just take a ton of it to keep me from being hungry. 

The manager is my good friend, so he let me take a bunch of glutamine tubs from the back. 

I've been having over 500g of glutamine a day.  I just mix a bunch with crystal light.  So, it's like a huge protein drink that keeps me full all day.  I haven't been hungry the entire diet.  If I ever get hungry, and it's not time to eat, I just load up about 3 scoops (protein scoops, not glutamine scoops) of glutamine and mix with crystal light.  Viola....hunger gone!

so you drink glutamine/crystal light shakes all day...thats your pre contest diet strategy?
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: Hedgehog on September 25, 2006, 06:43:47 PM
I'm getting ready for my first show, and have the best dieting strategy ever. 
I work at a GNC, and was thinking....since glutamine isn't absorbed, and therefore is useless, I'll just take a ton of it to keep me from being hungry. 

The manager is my good friend, so he let me take a bunch of glutamine tubs from the back. 

I've been having over 500g of glutamine a day.  I just mix a bunch with crystal light.  So, it's like a huge protein drink that keeps me full all day.  I haven't been hungry the entire diet.  If I ever get hungry, and it's not time to eat, I just load up about 3 scoops (protein scoops, not glutamine scoops) of glutamine and mix with crystal light.  Viola....hunger gone!

Of course it's absorbed.

It's protein.

LMFAO. You're funny.

Lemme suggest another strategy: drop down on the glutamine to a VERY moderate 200 grams LMFAO... or perhaps try a protein powder instead. Then eat tons of vegetables such as broccoli and spinach instead.

You crazy son'bitch. LMFAO.

Note to myself: Never ask the clerks at GNC for advice about anything. They know jack shit.


YIP
Zack
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: TheGoldenPrince on September 25, 2006, 06:44:40 PM
Stay off all rec drugs & 'roids too.
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: G o a t b o y on September 25, 2006, 06:46:26 PM
Stay off all rec drugs & 'roids too.


Cocaine and 'roids:  great dieting combo!   (if you're white trash, just substitute meth for the coke)  ::)
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: doison on September 25, 2006, 06:48:38 PM
Why does everyone say that glutamine is useless in oral form then?  They all say it's not absorbed.  

So, it is absorbed then?  

Why do people say it is useless?  
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: sarcasm on September 25, 2006, 06:49:27 PM
I'm getting ready for my first show, and have the best dieting strategy ever. 
I work at a GNC, and was thinking....since glutamine isn't absorbed, and therefore is useless, I'll just take a ton of it to keep me from being hungry. 

The manager is my good friend, so he let me take a bunch of glutamine tubs from the back. 

I've been having over 500g of glutamine a day.  I just mix a bunch with crystal light.  So, it's like a huge protein drink that keeps me full all day.  I haven't been hungry the entire diet.  If I ever get hungry, and it's not time to eat, I just load up about 3 scoops (protein scoops, not glutamine scoops) of glutamine and mix with crystal light.  Viola....hunger gone!
you are the epitomy of stupidity.
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: doison on September 25, 2006, 06:51:26 PM
you are the epitomy of stupidity.

epitome.....

And why?
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: G o a t b o y on September 25, 2006, 06:51:53 PM
Why does everyone say that glutamine is useless in oral form then?  They all say it's not absorbed. 

So, it is absorbed then? 

Why do people say it is useless? 

Like everything else you sell at GNC, it is useless.  That doesn't mean the substance doesn't get absorbed by your body.
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: doison on September 25, 2006, 06:54:28 PM
Like everything else you sell at GNC, it is useless.  That doesn't mean the substance doesn't get absorbed by your body.

Why is it useless?

Seems people here love to dish out insults, but don't seem to be able to back up any of them. 

Tell me exactly why it is useless, and I'll stop laughing that you spelled "epitome" wrong.

Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: G o a t b o y on September 25, 2006, 06:57:18 PM
Tell me exactly why it is useless, and I'll stop laughing that you spelled "epitome" wrong.



Not only is it useless, but you're clueless.

Where did I use the word "epitome" in any of my posts?  ::)
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: doison on September 25, 2006, 07:00:28 PM
Not only is it useless, but you're clueless.

Where did I use the word "epitome" in any of my posts?  ::)

Again, WHY is it useless? 

I'm assuming you're just saying this because you saw someone (who you assumed to be more knowlegable than you) write it.  Correct? 


WHY is it useless? 

You can't answer it, because you don't know.  So, go find a thread on ass spelunking where your input will be valued.
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: youandme on September 25, 2006, 07:04:16 PM
glutamine is absorbed but he's right on it curbing hunger, big time.
It sure kills my appetite for carbs
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: xpac2 on September 25, 2006, 07:04:42 PM
500mg of Glutamine?! Wow you sir are a moron
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: doison on September 25, 2006, 07:08:21 PM
500mg of Glutamine?! Wow you sir are a moron


Why am I a moron? 

Seems everyone here is quick to call me a moron....but slow to support their claims. 

As of now, two things stand as fact:
1.  It is claimed that glutamine is useless.

2.  NO ONE can tell me why. 

Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: xpac2 on September 25, 2006, 07:10:39 PM

Why am I a moron? 

Seems everyone here is quick to call me a moron....but slow to support their claims. 

As of now, two things stand as fact:
1.  It is claimed that glutamine is useless.

2.  NO ONE can tell me why. 



Because you are overdosing on something that hasn't been studied at that level you fucking idiot! Is common sense a foreign concept to you? I can't believe that stupid people like you still exist.
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: doison on September 25, 2006, 07:14:06 PM
Because you are overdosing on something that hasn't been studied at that level you fucking idiot! Is common sense a foreign concept to you? I can't believe that stupid people like you still exist.

"Eight short bowel patients were randomised in a double blind crossover study between placebo and growth hormone with oral (mean 280 g/day) and parenteral glutamine (mean 502 g/day) for 28 days. Balance studies were performed at baseline and five days after placebo and treatment were terminated. Dietary energy, carbohydrate, and fat were maintained as usual."

"During exceptionally severe stress, supplementing with glutamine (in the hospital setting, doses as high as 200-400 g may be used) can be a matter of life or death."


Okay, my doses have been studied, as proof above. 

Now, tell me why I am a moron.
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: 240 is Back on September 25, 2006, 07:16:46 PM

Cocaine and 'roids:  great dieting combo!   (if you're white trash, just substitute meth for the coke)  ::)

One problem.  If the electricity is off in yer trailer, you can't cook meth up.  And theres no gas lines, cuz of the hurricanes which hit every summer.  This is why prescription drugs are such great moneymakers down here.  Docs don't make any $ because such a large % of population is on state provided dirt poor health care. So, the docs cut a deal with pharmacists, they overprescribe, get a kickback to make their own boat payments, and the streets become flooded with soma and roxys.  Monster overdoses round these parts this year.
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: G o a t b o y on September 25, 2006, 07:22:20 PM
This is why prescription drugs are such great moneymakers down here.  Docs don't make any $ because such a large % of population is on state provided dirt poor health care. So, the docs cut a deal with pharmacists, they overprescribe, get a kickback to make their own boat payments, and the streets become flooded with soma and roxys. 

Really?


Score me a few bottles of oxycodone or hydrocodone, and I'll buy a $300 website from you.  Not that I need a $300 website or anything, but we'll make it a Vince Goodrum tribute or something!  ;D
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: xpac2 on September 25, 2006, 07:26:54 PM
"Eight short bowel patients were randomised in a double blind crossover study between placebo and growth hormone with oral (mean 280 g/day) and parenteral glutamine (mean 502 g/day) for 28 days. Balance studies were performed at baseline and five days after placebo and treatment were terminated. Dietary energy, carbohydrate, and fat were maintained as usual."

"During exceptionally severe stress, supplementing with glutamine (in the hospital setting, doses as high as 200-400 g may be used) can be a matter of life or death."


Okay, my doses have been studied, as proof above. 

Now, tell me why I am a moron.


You're not a moron, you are a stupid fuck
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: Beener on September 25, 2006, 07:51:48 PM
See this is why i dont shop at GNC. People like this work there.
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: 240 is Back on September 25, 2006, 07:58:16 PM
Score me a few bottles of oxycodone or hydrocodone, and I'll buy a $300 website from you.  Not that I need a $300 website or anything, but we'll make it a Vince Goodrum tribute or something!  ;D

Didn't you hear?  Vince is actually taking a vacation.  He is going to mexico. 

Going out of country to Mexico to take care of some business ( vacation) in case anyone wonders where I am so access via internet will be limited.  Problably won't be back for awhile so someone else I trust will be running the business.  Catch you later on the flip side.....

he wrote me this morning.  Wanted me to let the getbig know.
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: 240 is Back on September 25, 2006, 07:58:51 PM
Also, he wanted me to make it clear to Ron.

He wants his competitor stars.
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: G o a t b o y on September 25, 2006, 08:05:26 PM
Also, he wanted me to make it clear to Ron.

He wants his competitor stars.

I just checked godaddy...    vincegoodrum.com is AVAILABLE.  ;D
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 25, 2006, 08:27:24 PM
Okay, my doses have been studied, as proof above. 

Now, tell me why I am a moron.

It's called a conditionally essential amino and can be useful in certain disease or trauma states. There is no proof that it does anything for a normal, healthy weight training person.

Years ago I tried 100grams a day and it did nothing as far as I could tell. Worthless.
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: SteelePegasus on September 25, 2006, 08:39:31 PM

"These results demonstrate that alanine, glutamine, and valine administration fails to significantly affect muscle glutamine availability or muscle protein metabolism. These findings suggest that accelerated muscle catabolism in critically ill patients is not in response to any deficiency in alanine or glutamine availability"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?itool=abstractplus&db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=abstractplus&list_uids=12971729
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: The True Adonis on September 25, 2006, 08:40:49 PM
I'm getting ready for my first show, and have the best dieting strategy ever. 
I work at a GNC, and was thinking....since glutamine isn't absorbed, and therefore is useless, I'll just take a ton of it to keep me from being hungry. 

The manager is my good friend, so he let me take a bunch of glutamine tubs from the back. 

I've been having over 500g of glutamine a day.  I just mix a bunch with crystal light.  So, it's like a huge protein drink that keeps me full all day.  I haven't been hungry the entire diet.  If I ever get hungry, and it's not time to eat, I just load up about 3 scoops (protein scoops, not glutamine scoops) of glutamine and mix with crystal light.  Viola....hunger gone!

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Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: SteelePegasus on September 25, 2006, 08:43:32 PM
"CONCLUSIONS: In sepsis, increased muscle protein synthesis with PN and rhGH administration is not associated with increased muscle glutamine levels. Administration of rhGH does not result in reduced liver glutamine levels or rates of hepatic protein synthesis. PN containing glutamine was no more efficacious than standard PN at increasing muscle protein synthesis."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=12006808&query_hl=15&itool=pubmed_docsum
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: gordiano on September 25, 2006, 09:02:05 PM
I'm getting ready for my first show, and have the best dieting strategy ever. 
I work at a GNC, and was thinking....since glutamine isn't absorbed, and therefore is useless, I'll just take a ton of it to keep me from being hungry. 

The manager is my good friend, so he let me take a bunch of glutamine tubs from the back. 

I've been having over 500g of glutamine a day.  I just mix a bunch with crystal light.  So, it's like a huge protein drink that keeps me full all day.  I haven't been hungry the entire diet.  If I ever get hungry, and it's not time to eat, I just load up about 3 scoops (protein scoops, not glutamine scoops) of glutamine and mix with crystal light.  Viola....hunger gone!

I hope this is a joke........... :-\
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: G o a t b o y on September 25, 2006, 09:03:12 PM
I hope this is a joke........... :-\

C'mon... a GNC clerk would never steer you wrong!  ;D
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: John Romano on September 25, 2006, 09:16:00 PM
"Eight short bowel patients were randomised in a double blind crossover study between placebo and growth hormone with oral (mean 280 g/day) and parenteral glutamine (mean 502 g/day) for 28 days. Balance studies were performed at baseline and five days after placebo and treatment were terminated. Dietary energy, carbohydrate, and fat were maintained as usual."

"During exceptionally severe stress, supplementing with glutamine (in the hospital setting, doses as high as 200-400 g may be used) can be a matter of life or death."


Okay, my doses have been studied, as proof above. 

Now, tell me why I am a moron.


and SteelePegasus sited two studies that suggest little eficacy in glutamine supplementation. 
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: The True Adonis on September 25, 2006, 11:09:29 PM
and SteelePegasus sited two studies that suggest little eficacy in glutamine supplementation. 

He could always put the Glutamine between his thighs to stop the  Fricitional chafing from the blubber rubbing.
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: Bast000 on September 25, 2006, 11:11:44 PM
500g glutamine is good and all but you have to have at least 3000g BCAAS.    If you don't get that you will lose all the muscle gains you made since puberty. 
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: doison on September 26, 2006, 05:32:38 AM
How come everyone always says glutamine is broken down by stomach acid, and therefore isn't absorbed orally? 

That is why everyone says it would only be via I.V. dosing. 
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: SteelePegasus on September 26, 2006, 05:39:27 AM
He could always put the Glutamine between his thighs to stop the  Fricitional chafing from the blubber rubbing.

rubbing icrecream on his croatch might also do the trick
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: doison on September 26, 2006, 05:51:48 AM
Okay, I guess I'm an idiot. 
But, I just don't understand how glutamine isn't utilized properly in oral form.  As far as I know, it is a free form amino acid.  Therefore it is a mono-peptide.  Which is as far as an amino can be broken down. 

Can ANYONE tell me why it is useless in oral form?  Or is everyone just talking out of their ass?
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: pushinweightwi on September 27, 2006, 05:34:35 PM
Useless for muscle growth is not the same as useless entirely.  Oral glutamine is great for gastro intestinal health.  It feeds the healthy bacteria in your gut thus improving health.  As far as muscle gains go do not expect much.  I think this is why most say it is useless.  No matter what you are trying to achieve I believe your doses are excessive.
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: Woten on September 27, 2006, 08:01:12 PM
Useless for muscle growth is not the same as useless entirely.  Oral glutamine is great for gastro intestinal health.  It feeds the healthy bacteria in your gut thus improving health.  As far as muscle gains go do not expect much.  I think this is why most say it is useless.  No matter what you are trying to achieve I believe your doses are excessive.

Doison, go with this post^^^

Also, whey protein is loaded with the stuff, the powder form you are currently using is usually crappy free form, have a whey shake instead

Finally, you fucking tard ;)
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: Princess L on September 27, 2006, 09:28:49 PM


Note to myself: Never ask the clerks at GNC for advice about anything. They know jack shit.


YIP
Zack

They have GNC's in Sweden?


 :P
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: Princess L on September 27, 2006, 09:39:41 PM
Useless for muscle growth is not the same as useless entirely.  Oral glutamine is great for gastro intestinal health.  It feeds the healthy bacteria in your gut thus improving health.  As far as muscle gains go do not expect much.  I think this is why most say it is useless.  No matter what you are trying to achieve I believe your doses are excessive.

^
What he said.

It is however well documented as an immune system booster and therefore certainly can't hurt  during the cutting phase when many athletes get sick.  10-40 grams is MORE than adequate.
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: Blued on September 28, 2006, 10:23:48 AM
Dude, that seems like a lot of glutamine.  Just curious how long you've been taking 500g a day and if you've had any side effects, like stomach upset or something?
Title: Re: Great dieting strategy....if you can afford it
Post by: benjamin pearson on September 28, 2006, 10:39:33 AM
Doison you are the biggest moron i wave ever met in my life.... I am dieting for a show so whenever I get hungry I just take 3 scoops (protien scoops not shovels) of dirt and drink them with crystal light hahah moron