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Looks like the Republicans are going to have to find a whole new candiate in the Florida congressional race.
Today, incumbent congressman Mark Foley has resigned from office and dropped out of the race.
Wanna know why? ...click the link below
Republican Congressman Mark Foley of Florida has resigned today
http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=d09077af-643f-4656-80f0-92a938fdd089&f=00&fg=copy (http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=d09077af-643f-4656-80f0-92a938fdd089&f=00&fg=copy)
another one bites the dust, ...another one bites the dust, ...and another one's gone, and another one's gone... ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST! :P
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With Clinton, his intern at least was of legal age, ...but underage highschool boys? :o :o :o :-X
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He should fit in well with the Kennedy's!
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Based on the evidence..at the very least he's a hypercrit.
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He should fit in well with the Kennedy's!
Naw I doubt it. He's a Republican. :P
Underage school boys? Does that make him a pedophile? a sex predator? a gay pedophile sex predator?
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All of the above......if proved..which I think they have.
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The following is an instant message exchange a former underage highschool page says he had with Rep. Foley.
Maf54 (7:25:14 PM): hey
Auto response from Xxxxxxxxx (7:25:14 PM): scrounging for food...brb
Maf54 (7:25:25 PM): ok
Maf54 (7:25:35 PM): kep scrounging
Xxxxxxxxx (7:31:51 PM): boo
Maf54 (7:32:13 PM): bo dude
Xxxxxxxxx (7:32:17 PM): lol
Xxxxxxxxx (7:32:26 PM): whered ya go this afternoon
Maf54 (7:33:39 PM): i am in pensecola...had to catch a plane
Xxxxxxxxx (7:33:47 PM): oh well thats fun
Maf54 (7:34:04 PM): indeed
Xxxxxxxxx (7:34:14 PM): what are you doing in pensecola
Maf54 (7:34:21 PM): now in my hotel room
Xxxxxxxxx (7:34:39 PM): well ..like why did you go there
Maf54 (7:35:02 PM): for the campaign
Xxxxxxxxx (7:35:29 PM): have you officialy announced yt
Maf54 (7:35:45 PM): not yet
Xxxxxxxxx (7:36:06 PM): cool cool...
Maf54 (7:37:27 PM): how my favorite young stud doing
Xxxxxxxxx (7:37:46 PM): tired and sore
Xxxxxxxxx (7:37:52 PM): i didnt no waltzing could make you sore
Maf54 (7:38:04 PM): from what
Xxxxxxxxx (7:38:34 PM): what do you mean from what
Xxxxxxxxx (7:38:42 PM): from waltzing...im sore from waltzing
Maf54 (7:39:32 PM): tahts good
Maf54 (7:39:32 PM): you need a massage
Maf54 signed off at 7:39:37 PM.
Maf54 signed on at 7:40:35 PM..
Xxxxxxxxx (7:40:44 PM): got kicked off?
Maf54 (7:41:24 PM): must have
Xxxxxxxxx (7:41:57 PM): ugh tomorrow i have the first day of lacrosse practice
Maf54 (7:42:27 PM): love to watch that
Maf54 (7:42:33 PM): those great legs running
Xxxxxxxxx (7:42:38 PM): haha...they arent great
Xxxxxxxxx (7:42:45 PM): thats why we have conditioning
Xxxxxxxxx (7:42:56 PM): 2 days running....3 days lifting
Xxxxxxxxx (7:43:11 PM): every week
Xxxxxxxxx (7:43:14 PM): until the end of march
Maf54 (7:43:27 PM): well dont ruin my mental picture
Xxxxxxxxx (7:43:32 PM): oh lol...sorry
Maf54 (7:43:54 PM): nice
Maf54 (7:43:54 PM): youll be way hot then
Xxxxxxxxx (7:44:01 PM): haha...hopefully
Maf54 (7:44:22 PM): better be
Maf54 (7:46:01 PM): well I better let you go do oyur thing
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:07 PM): oh ok
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:11 PM): have fun campaigning
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:17 PM): or however you spell it
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:18 PM): lol
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:25 PM): ill see ya in a couple of weeks
Maf54 (7:46:33 PM): did any girl give you a haand job this weekend
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:38 PM): lol no
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:40 PM): im single right now
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:57 PM): my last gf and i broke up a few weeks agi
Maf54 (7:47:11 PM): are you
Maf54 (7:47:11 PM): good so your getting horny
Xxxxxxxxx (7:47:29 PM): lol...a bit
Maf54 (7:48:00 PM): did you spank it this weekend yourself
Xxxxxxxxx (7:48:04 PM): no
Xxxxxxxxx (7:48:16 PM): been too tired and too busy
Maf54 (7:48:33 PM): wow...
Maf54 (7:48:34 PM): i am never to busy haha
Xxxxxxxxx (7:48:51 PM): haha
Maf54 (7:50:02 PM): or tired..helps me sleep
Xxxxxxxxx (7:50:15 PM): thats true
Xxxxxxxxx (7:50:36 PM): havent been having a problem with sleep though.. i just walk in the door and collapse well at least this weekend
Maf54 (7:50:56 PM): i am sure
Xxxxxxxxx (7:50:57 PM): i dont do it very often normally though
Maf54 (7:51:11 PM): why not
Maf54 (7:51:22 PM): at your age seems like it would be daily
Xxxxxxxxx (7:51:57 PM): not me
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:01 PM): im not a horn dog
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:07 PM): maybe 2 or 3 times a week
Maf54 (7:52:20 PM): thats a good number
Maf54 (7:52:27 PM): in the shower
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:36 PM): actually usually i dont do it in the shower
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:42 PM): just cause i shower in the morning
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:47 PM): and quickly
Maf54 (7:52:50 PM): in the bed
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:59 PM): i get up at 530 and am outta the house by 610
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:03 PM): eh ya
Maf54 (7:53:24 PM): on your back
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:30 PM): no face down
Maf54 (7:53:32 PM): love details
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:34 PM): lol
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:36 PM): i see that
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:37 PM): lol
Maf54 (7:53:39 PM): really
Maf54 (7:53:54 PM): do you really do it face down
Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:03 PM): ya
Maf54 (7:54:13 PM): kneeling
Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:31 PM): well i dont use my hand...i use the bed itself
Maf54 (7:54:31 PM): where do you unload it
Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:36 PM): towel
Maf54 (7:54:43 PM): really
Maf54 (7:55:02 PM): completely naked?
Xxxxxxxxx (7:55:12 PM): well ya
Maf54 (7:55:21 PM): very nice
Xxxxxxxxx (7:55:24 PM): lol
Maf54 (7:55:51 PM): cute butt bouncing in the air
Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:00 PM): haha
Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:05 PM): well ive never watched myslef
Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:08 PM): but ya i guess
Maf54 (7:56:18 PM): i am sure not
Maf54 (7:56:22 PM): hmmm
Maf54 (7:56:30 PM): great visual
Maf54 (7:56:39 PM): i may try that
Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:43 PM): it works
Maf54 (7:56:51 PM): hmm
Maf54 (7:56:57 PM): sound inetersting
Maf54 (7:57:05 PM): i always use lotion and the hand
Maf54 (7:57:10 PM): but who knows
Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:24 PM): i dont use lotion...takes too much time to clean up
Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:37 PM): with a towel you can just wipe off....and go
Maf54 (7:57:38 PM): lol
Maf54 (7:57:45 PM): where do you throw the towel
Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:48 PM): but you cant work it too hard....or its not good
Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:51 PM): in the laundry
Maf54 (7:58:16 PM): just kinda slow rubbing
Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:23 PM): ya....
Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:32 PM): or youll rub yourslef raw
Maf54 (7:58:37 PM): well I have aa totally stiff wood now
Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:40 PM): cause the towell isnt very soft
Maf54 (7:58:44 PM): i bet..taht would hurt
Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:50 PM): but you cn find something softer than a towell i guess
Maf54 (7:58:59 PM): but it must feel great spirting on the towel
Xxxxxxxxx (7:59:06 PM): ya
Maf54 (7:59:29 PM): wow
Maf54 (7:59:48 PM): is your little guy limp...or growing
Xxxxxxxxx (7:59:54 PM): eh growing
Maf54 (8:00:00 PM): hmm
Maf54 (8:00:12 PM): so you got a stiff one now
Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:19 PM): not that fast
Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:20 PM): hey
Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:32 PM): so you have a fetich
Maf54 (8:00:32 PM): hey what
Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:40 PM): fetish**
Maf54 (8:00:43 PM): like
Maf54 (8:00:53 PM): i like steamroom
Maf54 (8:01:04 PM): whats yours
Xxxxxxxxx (8:01:09 PM): its kinda weird
Xxxxxxxxx (8:01:14 PM): lol
Maf54 (8:01:21 PM): i am hard as a rock..so tell me when your reaches rock
Xxxxxxxxx (8:01:23 PM): i have a cast fetish
Maf54 (8:01:27 PM): well tell me
Maf54 (8:01:32 PM): cast
Xxxxxxxxx (8:01:44 PM): ya like...plaster cast
Maf54 (8:01:49 PM): ok..so what happens
Maf54 (8:01:58 PM): how does that turn you in
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:02 PM): i dont know
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:04 PM): it just does
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:08 PM): ive never had one
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:16 PM): but people that have them turn me on
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:27 PM): and if i had one it would probably turn me on
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:29 PM): beats me
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:32 PM): its kinda weird
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:50 PM): but along with that i like the whole catholic girl look....thats our schools uniform
Maf54 (8:03:02 PM): ha thats wild
Xxxxxxxxx (8:03:14 PM): ya but now im hard
Maf54 (8:03:32 PM): me 2
Maf54 (8:03:42 PM): cast got you going
Maf54 (8:03:47 PM): what you wearing
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:04 PM): normal clothes
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:09 PM): tshirt and shorts
Maf54 (8:04:17 PM): um so a big buldge
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:35 PM): ya
Maf54 (8:04:45 PM): um
Maf54 (8:04:58 PM): love to slip them off of you
Xxxxxxxxx (8:05:08 PM): haha
Maf54 (8:05:53 PM): and gram the one eyed snake
Maf54 (8:06:13 PM): grab
Xxxxxxxxx (8:06:53 PM): not tonight...dont get to excited
Maf54 (8:07:12 PM): well your hard
Xxxxxxxxx (8:07:45 PM): that is true
Maf54 (8:08:03 PM): and a little horny
Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:11 PM): and also tru
Maf54 (8:08:31 PM): get a ruler and measure it for me
Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:38 PM): ive already told you that
Maf54 (8:08:47 PM): tell me again
Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:49 PM): 7 and 1/2
Maf54 (8:09:04 PM): ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Maf54 (8:09:08 PM): beautiful
Xxxxxxxxx (8:09:38 PM): lol
Maf54 (8:09:44 PM): thats a great size
Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:00 PM): thank you
Maf54 (8:10:22 PM): still stiff
Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:28 PM): ya
Maf54 (8:10:40 PM): take it out
Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:54 PM): brb...my mom is yelling
Maf54 (8:11:06 PM): ok
Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:02 PM): back
Maf54 (8:14:37 PM): cool hope se didnt see any thing
Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:54 PM): no no
Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:59 PM): she is computer dumb though
Xxxxxxxxx (8:15:01 PM): it makes me so mad
Maf54 (8:15:04 PM): good
Maf54 (8:15:08 PM): haha
Maf54 (8:15:11 PM): why
Xxxxxxxxx (8:15:23 PM): cause she cant do anything
Maf54 (8:15:31 PM): oh well
Xxxxxxxxx (8:15:41 PM): she couldnt figure out how to download a file from an email and open it
Maf54 (8:15:53 PM): haha
Xxxxxxxxx (8:16:14 PM): and she only does it like a million times a day
Xxxxxxxxx (8:16:16 PM): oh well
Xxxxxxxxx (8:16:18 PM): whatever
Xxxxxxxxx (8:16:53 PM): well i better go finish my hw...i just found out from a friend that i have to finish reading and notating a book for AP english
Maf54 signed off at 8:17:43 PM.
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damn, that is some sick shit.
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Can't believe this guy was in Congress. >:(
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This is so sickening! Who cares in what party he's a member.
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Looks like the Republicans are going to have to find a whole new candiate in the Florida congressional race.
Today, incumbent congressman Mark Foley has resigned from office and dropped out of the race.
Wanna know why? ...click the link below
Republican Congressman Mark Foley of Florida has resigned today
http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=d09077af-643f-4656-80f0-92a938fdd089&f=00&fg=copy (http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=d09077af-643f-4656-80f0-92a938fdd089&f=00&fg=copy)
another one bites the dust, ...another one bites the dust, ...and another one's gone, and another one's gone... ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST! :P
I fully supports any persons right to have sex with someone of the same sex.
If there are minors involved, it's illegal, but there's no difference whether there is same sex or if this guy had been doing girls IMO.
Nobody should ever have to forfeit their political careers due to their sexual preference.
If this guy's just a homo, and have done nothing illegal, he shouldn't be forced to quit.
YIP
Zack
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I fully supports any persons right to have sex with someone of the same sex.
If there are minors involved, it's illegal, but there's no difference whether there is same sex or if this guy had been doing girls IMO.
Nobody should ever have to forfeit their political careers due to their sexual preference.
If this guy's just a homo, and have done nothing illegal, he shouldn't be forced to quit.
YIP
Zack
Congressman resigns after former page questions e-mails
POSTED: 4:22 p.m. EDT, September 29, 2006
From CNN's Dana Bash
CNN Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Mark Foley, a Republican from Florida, resigned Friday from the House, a day after a former congressional page questioned e-mails Foley had sent to him.
Foley apparently sent the e-mails in August 2005, when the male page was 16 years old.
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It's been known in congressional circles that the guy is gay. Nobody talked about it. Wasn't a big deal til he got flirty with a high schooler.
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The following is an instant message exchange a former underage highschool page says he had with Rep. Foley.
Maf54 (7:25:14 PM): hey
Auto response from Xxxxxxxxx (7:25:14 PM): scrounging for food...brb
Maf54 (8:00:00 PM): hmm
maybe next time your bottom-feeding ass can post a video of a republican committing statutory rape?
you can nicely colorize the links, and blur out the victim's face . . . ::)
jagoff--will stoop to any level to gloat over a republican's downfall.
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It's the SUITS, I'm tellin ya. Stop looking to the guy on the corner asking for a couple pennies when the next crime wave hits or predator is around....LOOK TO THE MEN IN SUITS> Our weather man down here just got busted picking up a 12 year old boy, hahaha...these people are fuck-- nuts.
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Naw I doubt it. He's a Republican. :P
Underage school boys? Does that make him a pedophile? a sex predator? a gay pedophile sex predator?
NAMBLA is a Liberal organization :-X.....
Underage school boys? Does that make them pediphiles? a sex predator? gay pedophile sex predators??
You figure it out!
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This isn't a Republican or Democrat issue. You can find crooks and sleazy representatives in both parties. Isn't there a Democrat under investigation for bribery? The one who had bribe money in his freezer?
And not to let the facts get in the way or anything, but the kid isn't "underage" unless the age of consent is less than 16 in Florida.
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This isn't a Republican or Democrat issue. You can find crooks and sleazy representatives in both parties. Isn't there a Democrat under investigation for bribery? The one who had bribe money in his freezer?
And not to let the facts get in the way or anything, but the kid isn't "underage" unless the age of consent is less than 16 in Florida.
I agree, but Jag wants to make a political issue....I just thought I'd point out a couple of things like the Republicans (I'm not defending this guy and he should be on a remote island surrounded by sharks) have a one, the Liberals have organizations for this crap and defend it's existance!
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You can argue the guy has a right to be gay, ...I won't dispute it, ...although it would be hypocritical of his base (Rightwing evangelical christians)
You can argue that the age of consent is 16, however I believe for gays in some jurisdictions, it is higher. Not even sure if Florida is still one of those states that makes homosexuality illegal.
However...notwithstandin g, the fact remains this kid was a page... who was getting unwanted attention from a congressman.
That is sexual harrasment. And that was just the instant message text. I've read the kids emails where he describes being creeped out by the congressman, and wanting to warn others about him.
The kids emails reveal he was freaked out by the eMails he got from this elected official. And you can watch for majority leader John Beohner trying to pass the buck on this one. He was notified months ago, and did nothing about it. It took Bob Woodward to expose this.
He was freaking out and creeping out the kid. He has no right to do that. As an adult, as an elected official, and as Co-chair for the Congressional Caucus for missing and exploited children, should have conducted himself far better.
And yes, I get a woody when I see a Republican fall, ...especially going into the mid-terms.
You'all need to take your country back, and the first step is getting back control of Congress, and the Senate, in order that the stupid, lying, incompetent, narcissistic, immature, son-of-a-jackal leading you and the entire world on the path to hell, can be impeached and brought to justice.
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You can argue the guy has a right to be gay, ...I won't dispute it, ...although it would be hypocritical of his base (Rightwing evangelical christians)
You can argue that the age of consent is 16, however I believe for gays in some jurisdictions, it is higher. Not even sure if Florida is still one of those states that makes homosexuality illegal.
However...notwithstandin g, the fact remains this kid was a page... who was getting unwanted attention from a congressman.
That is sexual harrasment. And that was just the instant message text. I've read the kids emails where he described creeped out he was the Congressman.
The kids emails reveal he was freaked out by the eMails he got from this elected official. And you can watch for majority leader John Beohner trying to pass the buck on this one. He was notified months ago, and did nothing about it. It took Bob Woodward to expose this.
He was freaking out and creeping out the kid. He has no right to do that. As an adult, as an elected official, and as Co-chair for the Congressional Caucus for missing and exploited children, should have conducted himself far better.
And yes, I get a woody when I see a Republican fall, ...especially going into the mid-terms.
You'all need to take your country back, and the first step is getting back control of Congress, and the Senate, in order that the stupid, lying, incompetent, narcissistic, immature, son-of-a-jackal leading you and the entire world on the path to hell, can be impeached and brought to justice.
bottom line: you're a bottom-feeder who would do anything to get your jollies.
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bottom line: you're a bottom-feeder who would do anything to get your jollies.
??? you say that as if I was the one who asked that underage boy to pull out his penis and measure it.
Nuh-uh, ...that would more appropriately describe Republican Rep. Mark Foley, ...who clearly wasn't above preying on an underage page to get his jollies.
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??? you say that as if I was the one who asked that underage boy to pull out his penis and measure it.
Nuh-uh, ...that would more appropriately describe Republican Rep. Mark Foley, ...who clearly wasn't above preying on an underage page to get his jollies.
if you were a photojournalist, your work would feature masterpieces such as Tupac--the autopsy pics, or Princess Di--her last breath.
you really disgust me sometimes w your attitude. all self-righteous and bottom-feeding at the same time.
did you have to post that fucking transcript? some dumbass journalist puts it out there . . . and then bottom-feeders like you relay it to the whole world.
fucking voyeurs.
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if you were a photojournalist, your work would feature masterpieces such as Tupac--the autopsy pics, or Princess Di--her last breath.
you really disgust me sometimes w your attitude. all self-righteous and bottom-feeding at the same time.
Are you accusing me of being ....a Republican. Cause I think they have the market corned on that.
did you have to post that fucking transcript? some dumbass journalist puts it out there . . . and then bottom-feeders like you relay it to the whole world.
fucking voyeurs.
Dumbass journalist? Which dumbass journalist are you referring to? The award winning journalist who broke the story on mainstream news, and put story and the links leading to the 10 page transcipt on the front page of their website, ...or the award-winning journalist Bob Woodward who released the information in his book "State of Denial". I'm sorry you object to grown adults around here having access to the truth about why an elected official chose to resign. I realize you admittedly advocate the suppression of any information indicating guilt, ...get over it.
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Are you accusing me of being ....a Republican. Cause I think they have the market corned on that.
Dumbass journalist? Which dumbass journalist are you referring to? The award winning journalist who broke the story on mainstream news, and put story and the links leading to the 10 page transcipt on the front page of their website, ...or the award-winning journalist Bob Woodward who released the information in his book "State of Denial". I'm sorry you object to grown adults around here having access to the truth about why an elected official chose to resign. I realize you admittedly advocate the suppression of any information indicating guilt, ...get over it.
ooh . . . he won an award . . . so that makes him less of a bottomfeeding voyeur?
the boy's family wanted to keep this quiet, but mr. journalist doesn't give a shit about their wishes . . . all he cares about is his own fucking byline. hey, it's not like there are people involved here.
if that boy was my little brother, mr. journalist would be gotten where it hurts . . . right in the wallet.
jag, you have the principles of the average hyena. cackling over the shards of some boy's life . . . "getting a woody" . . . just like a female hyena . . . look it up if you don't know what i'm talking about.
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ooh . . . he won an award . . . so that makes him less of a bottomfeeding voyeur?
the boy's family wanted to keep this quiet, but mr. journalist doesn't give a shit about their wishes . . . all he cares about is his own fucking byline. hey, it's not like there are people involved here.
Where was your compassion when Monica Lewinsky had her civil and constitutional rights denied her, was threatened, bullied, harassed and intimidated by Ken Starr. I have yet to see this boy's name splashed out in front place headlines as was the case with Miss Lewinsky, nor has he become the butt of nightly jokes by late-night comedians and stand-up comics. You act as if Foley should not have resigned in order to protect the boy. ???
Stop trying to twist this. That boy was a victim who came forward and wanted to expose Foley as the piece of dirt that he is.
if that boy was my little brother, mr. journalist would be gotten where it hurts . . . right in the wallet.
jag, you have the principles of the average hyena. cackling over the shards of some boy's life . . . "getting a woody" . . . just like a female hyena . . . look it up if you don't know what i'm talking about.
That speaks volumes about your fitness ...or rather lack thereof to be a 'BIG BROTHER', ...cause if that boy was my little brother, Congressman Mark Foley would have had his nuts ripped off from day 1, and fed to him. >:(
But then again, you're the one who wants all evidence indicating the guilt of criminals suppressed. ::)
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Where was your compassion when Monica Lewinsky had her civil and constitutional rights denied her, was threatened, bullied, harassed and intimidated by Ken Starr. I have yet to see this boy's name splashed out in front place headlines as was the case with Miss Lewinsky, nor has he become the butt of nightly jokes by late-night comedians and stand-up comics. You act as if Foley should not have resigned in order to protect the boy. ???
Stop trying to twist this. That boy was a victim who came forward and wanted to expose Foley as the piece of dirt that he is.
That speaks volumes about your fitness ...or rather lack thereof to be a 'BIG BROTHER', ...cause if that boy was my little brother, Congressman Mark Foley would have had his nuts ripped off from day 1, and fed to him. >:( But then again, you're the one who wants all evidence indicating the guilt of criminals suppressed. ::)
you're the partisan dumbass who keeps bringing foley into this . . . i wouldn''t give a shit if foley is burned at the stake tomorrow . . . i'm sure it's no more than he deserves.
in your twisted fucking mind all that you can think about is gloating . . . you don't care about making public what the boy's family wanted private.
and LMAO at your "nuts ripped off" comment . . . ::) talk a big game and then say "cease and decist" when something moves in the shadows. LMAO.
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you're the partisan dumbass who keeps bringing foley into this . . . i wouldn''t give a shit if foley is burned at the stake tomorrow . . . i'm sure it's no more than he deserves.
in your twisted fucking mind all that you can think about is gloating . . . you don't care about making public what the boy's family wanted private.
and LMAO at your "nuts ripped off" comment . . . ::) talk a big game and then say "cease and decist" when something moves in the shadows. LMAO.
Partisan dumbass who keeps bringing Foley into this. ??? ??? ???
NEWSFLASH: IT's ALL ABOUT FOLEY!!!
Foley did this... no one else! This was not mutual consent, ...this was a Congressman preying on a highschool page. I highly doubt the boys family wanted Congressman Foley's despicable actions to remain private. If anything, they would want their son's identity to remain private which has been done.
You can try to suppress it ...try to spin it, try to divert attention any way you want, ...but the bottom line is:
The Republican co-chair of the Congressional Caucus on Missing and Exploited children is infact himself a sexual predator of children! DEAL! >:(
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Maybe he's a Log Cabin Republican?
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Maybe he's a Log Cabin Republican?
He was at 8:01:21 pm :-\ ...or would that have made him more a a rock-solid Republican?
Maf54 (8:01:21 PM): i am hard as a rock..so tell me when your reaches rock
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He was at 8:01:21 pm :-\ ...or would that have made him more a a rock-solid Republican?
Does this belong to your party?
http://www.nambla.org/
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Does this belong to your party?
http://www.nambla.org/
since she's already posted transcripts of cybersex, the voyeur haguar will next be posting photographs of men and boys engaged in sexual acts.
it will serve some great purpose and give the she-hyena a "woody."
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That's despicable of you to send me to a link advocating the exploitation of children.
You should be ashamed of yourself. If you had any decency, you'd alter your post to remove the link.
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That's despicable of you to send me to a link advocating the exploitation of children.
You should be ashamed of yourself. If you had any decency, you'd alter your post to remove the link.
Oh wait, it's okay for you judge the entire Republican party on one asshole, and I post something that Liberals support and your offended?
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since she's already posted transcripts of cybersex b/w a man and a boy, the voyeur haguar will next be posting photographs of men and boys engaged in sexual acts.
it will serve some great purpose and give the she-hyena a "woody" (her own words)."
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Haguarenterprises: Happily exploiting children's errors for political and perverted purposes.
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Looks like the Republicans are going to have to find a whole new candiate in the Florida congressional race.
Today, incumbent congressman Mark Foley has resigned from office and dropped out of the race.
Wanna know why? ...click the link below
Republican Congressman Mark Foley of Florida has resigned today
http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=d09077af-643f-4656-80f0-92a938fdd089&f=00&fg=copy (http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=d09077af-643f-4656-80f0-92a938fdd089&f=00&fg=copy)
another one bites the dust, ...another one bites the dust, ...and another one's gone, and another one's gone... ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST! :P
apparently this info wasn't enough . . . so the pervert decided to favor us with all the salacious details she could find.
she would be an excellent tabloid journalist.
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Oh wait, it's okay for you judge the entire Republican party on one asshole, and I post something that Liberals support and your offended?
I am glad this sexual predator of children was finally exposed. I am pissed off that it took over a year for it to happen. House majority leader John Boehner of Ohio clearly cannot be trusted to take care of things. Just another case of another republican asleep on his watch. I am elated the piece of crap is a Republican, because that is just one more seat they will lose in the mid-terms.
I don't judge the entire Republican party on one asshole Congressman who was revealed to be a sexual predator of children. That has nothing to do with anything. I'd still see him as a degenerate if he was a Democrat, a Libertarian, a Communist or a Green Party member.
I judge the Republican party based on their failure to stop the weeds within their ranks (the PNAC NeoCons) from seizing control of their party, hijacking it as a platform to promote their psychotic avaricious plans of global hegemony, insulting the world and their constituents by selecting the dumbest mofo as their figurehead, and their refusal to stand up for America, for Americans, and for the world, as the responsible and moral leaders of a 1st world civilized nation they claim to be.
I judge the Republicans, for their failure to examine the truth of 911. The truth of their failure to do anything about terrorism despite their many warnings, and I fault them for not only NOT coming out with the truth, but capitalizing on their failures, by further compounding their incompetence and lies to avert blame to others.
I judge Republicans for allowing themselves, and the truth (which was right in front of their face the whole time) to get sucked down the memory hole, and for allowing these tyrants to take both America and the world into the mess we are now in.
I judge Republicans for forcing legislators and representatives into positions of having to go along with them and their UNAmerican, and UNpatriotic agenda. I judge Republicans for alot of things.
There is plenty for them to answer for.
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:o Oh my... 3 posts in a row attempting to divert the issue? you must be getting close to meltdown time.
I'm flattered I get so under-your-skin. It should serve as confirmation for anyone with eyes, AND the ability to see, and to those with ears, AND the ability to hear, the credibility of my comments.
I will say this for you tho, ...Karl Rove aka Bush's Brain (http://www.indiepix.net/promo/promo_2171.pl?ref=crooksliars) would be very proud of you.
For those who would like to both own and understand Bush's Brain (http://www.indiepix.net/promo/promo_2171.pl?ref=crooksliars), feel free to click the link.
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I don't care that he's a repub, a dem, a libertarian, or whatever.
But I do care if anyone from either party helped cover this up or stall an investigation. I caught something on the news today about it, but I haven't heard the story.
Did his party in any way help a cover-up? If so, then it indeed becomes a political issue. If it's just him, and they quickly ejected him once they found out, then it's just one sick guy. No politics needed. BUT - if the repubs were holding it quiet til after the elections, it's a whole nother story.
Anyone know? I haven't followed this story, as I find it kinda gross.
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I don't care that he's a repub, a dem, a libertarian, or whatever.
But I do care if anyone from either party helped cover this up or stall an investigation. I caught something on the news today about it, but I haven't heard the story.
Did his party in any way help a cover-up? If so, then it indeed becomes a political issue. If it's just him, and they quickly ejected him once they found out, then it's just one sick guy. No politics needed. BUT - if the repubs were holding it quiet til after the elections, it's a whole nother story.
Anyone know? I haven't followed this story, as I find it kinda gross.
the GOP did cover it up . . . the parents' wanted privacy . . . but letting foley continue was a big mistake. heads will roll and deservedly so.
so what do you think about your associate haguar posting unnecessary and salacious details about the encounter? what purpose did that serve? she also said it gave her a "woody"? does she imagine we're all prurient perverts like her?
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You can argue the guy has a right to be gay, ...I won't dispute it, ...although it would be hypocritical of his base (Rightwing evangelical christians)
You can argue that the age of consent is 16, however I believe for gays in some jurisdictions, it is higher. Not even sure if Florida is still one of those states that makes homosexuality illegal.
However...notwithstandin g, the fact remains this kid was a page... who was getting unwanted attention from a congressman.
That is sexual harrasment. And that was just the instant message text. I've read the kids emails where he describes being creeped out by the congressman, and wanting to warn others about him.
The kids emails reveal he was freaked out by the eMails he got from this elected official. And you can watch for majority leader John Beohner trying to pass the buck on this one. He was notified months ago, and did nothing about it. It took Bob Woodward to expose this.
He was freaking out and creeping out the kid. He has no right to do that. As an adult, as an elected official, and as Co-chair for the Congressional Caucus for missing and exploited children, should have conducted himself far better.
And yes, I get a woody when I see a Republican fall, ...especially going into the mid-terms.
You'all need to take your country back, and the first step is getting back control of Congress, and the Senate, in order that the stupid, lying, incompetent, narcissistic, immature, son-of-a-jackal leading you and the entire world on the path to hell, can be impeached and brought to justice.
How do you know his base consists of "Rightwing evangelical Christians"?
So the age of consent is higher for homosexuals? Dang girl. Where do you get your information? Geeze Louise.
Homosexuality isn't illegal anywhere in this country. The Supreme Court overturned Bowers v. Hardwick (the decision that upheld sodomy laws). Bad decision IMO, but sodomy laws are unconstitutional according to the Supremes.
Sexual harassment??? The kid didn't sound like he was an unwilling participant to me. The conduct has to be unwelcome. The kid may have told people he was freaked out, but if those transcripts are accurate then the conduct sure sounded like something the kid enjoyed, which would mean it was not sexual harassment.
This is the kind of misinformation people spread when they are blinded by partisanship. Stop trying to make this a Republican/Democrat issue. It is just about a sleazy, immoral man who unfortunately was a member of Congress.
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That's despicable of you to send me to a link advocating the exploitation of children.
You should be ashamed of yourself. If you had any decency, you'd alter your post to remove the link.
Why are you offended? I-One is right: NAMBLA is part of the gay rights movement embraced by liberals.
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the GOP did cover it up . . . the parents' wanted privacy . . . but letting foley continue was a big mistake. heads will roll and deservedly so.
Twofold there - First, sexual abuse victims often just 'want it to go away' - and if there's proof, the prosecutor will push it to court, at least for a plea, everytime. They have to. Otherwise, intimidated victimes would keep shutting up and the sickos could keep offending. So since that's not an option...
What the F were the GOP thinking? Covering it up makes them just as wrong as Foley was. Shit, the man was free to keep right on offending. Do we know the names yet of which people were specifically involved? I could give a shit what party they're from - they need to be charged if at all possible. Yes, the party may take a one-spot hit from him losing his office. But the integrity of the GOP from immediately calling him out should be MUCH more important. Shit. What the hell were they thinking?
so what do you think about your associate haguar posting unnecessary and salacious details about the encounter? what purpose did that serve? she also said it gave her a "woody"? does she imagine we're all prurient perverts like her?
It was all over the political boards. I admit I read it when it first came out, only because I thought it would just be flirting or something. When it turned out to be serious masturbation talk, I couldn't read on, I seriously felt sick.
While I see where you're coming from - it seems Jag does love that it's the GOP - I think that since she knows so much more about the shady shit the GOP has done (her media plays alot that ours doesn't), she obviously despises them more than we could. Not defending her comments about it, but I understand where she's coming from.
Anyway - who were the Repubs who knew? This is disgusting. If it was just that guy and they immediately outed him, then the Repubs are completely clean and deserve zero criticism. BUT - if they hid it - shit, i can't even see how a diehard repub like Mr I coudl defend those actions.
Link, anyone? :)
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Age of consent should be the same no matter if it's same sex or not.
Anything else is a fcuking violation of personal integrity.
This Republican is no pedophile, obviously not.
Pedophiles goes after kids, they want their victims to be pre-puberty.
Still, he may be criminal in otherways, of course.
Using his position to get sex are grounds for a sexual harassment case.
He could be a scum, but he ain't no pedophile.
Side note: It's amazing how many people can accept that the homos don't get to live by the same freedoms and rights as the rest of us.
YIP
Zack
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talk a big game and then say "cease and decist" when something moves in the shadows. LMAO.
So you admit to "moving in the shadows." (Your words not mine)
I'm not surprised. Your kind can only move in the shadows. . . like cockroaches unable to withstand the light.
I got news for you, plenty of light is now being shed to the American public who for far too long has been treated like mushrooms (kept in the dark and fed bullshit) by this current administration wrapped up in "A STATE OF DENIAL"
Congressman Mark Foley's exploitation of congressional pages is only one revelation within the pages of this book.
"A STATE OF DENIAL" is on the bookshelves as of yesterday. I urge all Americans to get it, read it, and understand what the rest of the world has known all along, information that has been horrificly kept from you.
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How do you know his base consists of "Rightwing evangelical Christians"?
He's a Republican ain't he? ;)
So the age of consent is higher for homosexuals? Dang girl. Where do you get your information? Geeze Louise.
In some jurisdictions it is.
Homosexuality isn't illegal anywhere in this country. The Supreme Court overturned Bowers v. Hardwick (the decision that upheld sodomy laws). Bad decision IMO, but sodomy laws are unconstitutional according to the Supremes.
Sexual harassment??? The kid didn't sound like he was an unwilling participant to me. The conduct has to be unwelcome. The kid may have told people he was freaked out, but if those transcripts are accurate then the conduct sure sounded like something the kid enjoyed, which would mean it was not sexual harassment.[/glow]
Actually Beach Bum, that transcript was from a conversation Congressman Mark Foley had with another page.
When Foley's conduct came under scrutiny, there was a flurry of emails and instant message chat transcripts sent in by other congressional pages subjected to the same thing.
As to your comment as to "sure sounded like something the kid enjoyed, which would mean it was not sexual harassment." ...don't be so quick to judge. That's the blaming the victim approach. In a situation like that, you cannot draw the conclusion that the kid enjoyed it, and therefore it was not sexual harassment. I doubt he would have either saved the chat, or turned it in to authorites who clearly failed to protect him or any of the other pages being subjected to this. We are talking about a CONGRESSMAN ...and a child. Are you telling me a child has the wherewithal to not be intimidated in the face of such unwanted attention. Furthermore, if you scrutinize the transcript, you will see this particular kid makes (what I believe to be) an effort to kill Foley's buzz. He tells him to "hang on cause my Mom is calling me." Foley responds with "I hope she didn't see anything". Is that the response of a man who thinks he's doing nothing wrong?
This is the kind of misinformation people spread when they are blinded by partisanship. Stop trying to make this a Republican/Democrat issue. It is just about a sleazy, immoral man who unfortunately was a member of Congress.
This is the kind of information people disseminate when they want justice done, and they want the public to understand what kind of deceiptfulness is being perpetrated on them by those in office throughout their land. People who have utterly failed to live up to their responsibilities as elected officials. People wiiling to turn a blind eye to reality, suppress truth, live in a state of denial, even if it means allowing the continued victimization of children, in order to keep their hold on power.
This is more than a sleazy, immoral man who unfortunately was a member of Congress. This was a sleazy, immoral man, who was unfortunately a member of Congress, AS WELL AS THE CO-CHAIR OF THE CONGRESSIONAL CAUCUS ON MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN who was allowed to continue both in his role as co-chair, house representative, and harasser of young pages, by the house majority leader Rep. John Boehner (Ohio).
There was no justice for this boy at their hands, or for the other house pages that were harassed. Instead they chose AlGebra's stated preferred method of dealing with inculpatory evidence of criminal conduct: by suppressing the information.
This book and the truths contains therein are not going away. We have seen the MO of this administration all too well. They circle their wagons, and galvanize their power, with an all too easily predictable MO. They can't spin this one tho. The only hope they have is to divert attention away. You should not only be hopping mad, you oughtta be scared shitless. Another false flag attack would not surprise me in the least. These are desperate psycopaths.
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Twofold there - First, sexual abuse victims often just 'want it to go away' - and if there's proof, the prosecutor will push it to court, at least for a plea, everytime. They have to. Otherwise, intimidated victimes would keep shutting up and the sickos could keep offending. So since that's not an option...
What the F were the GOP thinking? Covering it up makes them just as wrong as Foley was. Shit, the man was free to keep right on offending. Do we know the names yet of which people were specifically involved? I could give a shit what party they're from - they need to be charged if at all possible. Yes, the party may take a one-spot hit from him losing his office. But the integrity of the GOP from immediately calling him out should be MUCH more important. Shit. What the hell were they thinking?
They were probably thinking :o "Holy Shit. This is our co-chair of the congressional caucus on missing and exploited children. Let's keep a lid on this."
It was all over the political boards. I admit I read it when it first came out, only because I thought it would just be flirting or something. When it turned out to be serious masturbation talk, I couldn't read on, I seriously felt sick.
And there's a ton more just like it.
While I see where you're coming from - it seems Jag does love that it's the GOP - I think that since she knows so much more about the shady shit the GOP has done (her media plays alot that ours doesn't), she obviously despises them more than we could. Not defending her comments about it, but I understand where she's coming from.
240, that's exactly where I'm coming from. And contrary to AlGebra's attempt to twist my words and divert attention from the central issue at hand (the revelations of criminal negligence, dysfunction, dereliction of duty, betrayal of constituents, and overall 'state of denial') I do not get a woody from the salacious details. I get a woody cause a Republican fell, ...he hung by the noose of his own creation. Wait til you see how I respond when justice is meted out to him, ...that is of course if the American public has not completely lost it's backbone to demand justice.
Anyway - who were the Repubs who knew? This is disgusting. If it was just that guy and they immediately outed him, then the Repubs are completely clean and deserve zero criticism. BUT - if they hid it - shit, i can't even see how a diehard repub like Mr I coudl defend those actions.
Link, anyone? :)
House majority leader Rep. John Boehner (R - Ohio) for one. The same man who got on Scarborough country the other night to pump his bid for re-election and flat-out lied to the American people about the situation in Iraq, ...despite the unanimous consensus of 16 US intelligence agencies saying otherwise.
ps - When I find links I'll come back and edit this post accordingly.
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hell yes - please share links. Also I've never been a fan of Woodward's - but is the book that good? I know the WH is dodging it.
At this point, seriously, for all us Americans, politicla party shouldn't matter anymore. We can no longer say "heathen democrats". We should be aware that repubs have really put what is right on the backburner, for what is best for the American Empire.
Agree/disagree?
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He's a Republican ain't he? ;)
In some jurisdictions it is.
Actually Beach Bum, that transcript was from a conversation Congressman Mark Foley had with another page.
When Foley's conduct came under scrutiny, there was a flurry of emails and instant message chat transcripts sent in by other congressional pages subjected to the same thing.
As to your comment as to "sure sounded like something the kid enjoyed, which would mean it was not sexual harassment." ...don't be so quick to judge. That's the blaming the victim approach. In a situation like that, you cannot draw the conclusion that the kid enjoyed it, and therefore it was not sexual harassment. I doubt he would have either saved the chat, or turned it in to authorites who clearly failed to protect him or any of the other pages being subjected to this. We are talking about a CONGRESSMAN ...and a child. Are you telling me a child has the wherewithal to not be intimidated in the face of such unwanted attention. Furthermore, if you scrutinize the transcript, you will see this particular kid makes (what I believe to be) an effort to kill Foley's buzz. He tells him to "hang on cause my Mom is calling me." Foley responds with "I hope she didn't see anything". Is that the response of a man who thinks he's doing nothing wrong?
This is the kind of information people disseminate when they want justice done, and they want the public to understand what kind of deceiptfulness is being perpetrated on them by those in office throughout their land. People who have utterly failed to live up to their responsibilities as elected officials. People wiiling to turn a blind eye to reality, suppress truth, live in a state of denial, even if it means allowing the continued victimization of children, in order to keep their hold on power.
This is more than a sleazy, immoral man who unfortunately was a member of Congress. This was a sleazy, immoral man, who was unfortunately a member of Congress, AS WELL AS THE CO-CHAIR OF THE CONGRESSIONAL CAUCUS ON MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN who was allowed to continue both in his role as co-chair, house representative, and harasser of young pages, by the house majority leader Rep. John Boehner (Ohio).
There was no justice for this boy at their hands, or for the other house pages that were harassed. Instead they chose AlGebra's stated preferred method of dealing with inculpatory evidence of criminal conduct: by suppressing the information.
This book and the truths contains therein are not going away. We have seen the MO of this administration all too well. They circle their wagons, and galvanize their power, with an all too easily predictable MO. They can't spin this one tho. The only hope they have is to divert attention away. You should not only be hopping mad, you oughtta be scared shitless. Another false flag attack would not surprise me in the least. These are desperate psycopaths.
So your comment about Foley's base being "Rightwing evangelical Christians" was based solely on the fact he his a Republican. You should have qualified your statement. That is an opinion, not a fact.
Name one jurisdiction in the United States where the age of consent is higher for homosexuals than heterosexuals. This would make a great discussion piece with my students. **This is the point where you gracefully admit a mistake. [now holding my breath]**
I'm not blaming the victim at all. I just don't throw terms and phrases around that have no factual basis. Yes what this guy did may be some kind of crime, unethical, immoral, etc., but I tend to get hung up on things like the facts. :)
So someone wrote a book criticizing the president? Get out. First time in history. There are multiple books written that criticize every administration. I mean, people accused Clinton of murder. Republicans were frothing at the mouth over Clinton. They absolutely hated him. I took that with a grain a salt, just like I do liberals acting like rapid dogs over Bush.
You are assuming the Republican leadership allowed Foley’s conduct to continue. Let the facts come in first, then draw a conclusion. At least that's the way I generally do things. If it turns out the Republican leadership did in fact allow this conduct and covered it up, heads should roll.
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see a whole lot of bullshit in this thread, some of which I contributed, so here:
1. GOP leadership knew (to varying degrees) that Foley had engaged in inappropriate correspondence. for whatever reason they didn't respond as they should have.
2. the parents wanted no investigation, for reasons that would be obvious to any but the most jaded.
3. the page was a kid, regardless of all the semantics you can bring up. foley was a fuckin congressman.
4. posting the transcript of the im exchange served no point and is just yellow journalism. perverts who engage in such despicable practices should tread carefully, b/c you don't know what karma might have in store for you.
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see a whole lot of bullshit in this thread, some of which I contributed, so here:
1. GOP leadership knew (to varying degrees) that Foley had engaged in inappropriate correspondence. for whatever reason they didn't respond as they should have.
For whatever reason? :-\ Trying to sweep this under the rug? Sorry it ain't going away.
2. the parents wanted no investigation, for reasons that would be obvious to any but the most jaded.
That was only one boy who parents were alledged to have said that they didn't want anything done. the boy on the other hand wanted something done about it. That's why he spoke up and told congressional staffers.
3. the page was a kid, regardless of all the semantics you can bring up. foley was a fuckin congressman.
You state that as if those facts are in dispute. What you fail to make clear is Foley wasn't just targetting one kid. Their were numerous. infact the entire class of pages were warned about this guy. Theses kids spoke among themselves and took action to protect themselves, even if the co-chair of the congressional caucus on missing and exploited children did not. Even if house majority leader John Boehner (R-OHIO) did not, and even Russert (R - ILL) did not.
4. posting the transcript of the im exchange served no point and is just yellow journalism. perverts who engage in such despicable practices should tread carefully, b/c you don't know what karma might have in store for you.
Too bad you forgot to tell Ken Starr that when they leaked Grand Jury testimony concerning the cigar.
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Too bad you forgot to tell Ken Starr that when they leaked Grand Jury testimony concerning the cigar.
. . . if you only knew the truth about my interactions with Ken Starr. ;D
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Many victims and parents try to prevent an investigation.
You have to push ahead with it anyway, and prosecutors do.
Otherwise the bad guy keeps on doing the same behavior. Some kinda responsibility to the state to file on behalf of the victim, even if s/he chooses not to run later.
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. . . if you only knew the truth about my interactions with Ken Starr. ;D
Tell us you little (http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/5b13ba3880.gif) Or chances are, someone else just ****might****
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I'm up to 0.151 per day!!!!! WACHACHOOYOU!!!! EAT IT BABY!!!!
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Tell us you little (http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/5b13ba3880.gif) Or chances are, someone else just ****might****
:-* . . . i'll take my chances. ;D
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:-* . . . i'll take my chances. ;D
SVR
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hell yes - please share links.
Some GOP finally start speaking out http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/09/gop-house-leaders-speak-out-against.html (http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/09/gop-house-leaders-speak-out-against.html) ...however it appears House Majority Leader John Boehner is still covering up in an attempt to protect House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill).
As much as anything else, that is what this scandal is about — GOP House Leaders prancing around as the Protectors of our nation's children from Internet Predators while, at the same time, apparently knowing that there was such a predator in their midst. And they not only failed to do anything about it, but they actively worked to conceal the behavior (by ensuring that all Democrats — including even the Democrat on the House Page Board — were blocked from learning about these accusations). As Hastert put it at the top of his Press Release: “At home we put children first, and Republicans are doing just that in the House.”
The NYDailyNews (http://blogs.nydailynews.com/dailypolitics/archives/2006/09/reynolds_knew_b.php) reports that Rep. Tom Reynolds (R-NY) took $100,000 from the political PAC of Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) in July of 2006. Which would just be GOP business as usual but for one thing — Reynolds had been informed months before that Foley had a certain e-mail problem.
You tell me — which was more important to Rep. Reynolds: principle or politics? I'd say Reynolds has some explaining to do, not just about the money trail, but about how "in the loop" on all of this he has been all along, given that his Chief of Staff is the former CoS for Rep. Foley…and that said CoS has been very actively involved in the Republican CYA over the last few days.
In the GOP pattern of behavior throughout the Bush Administration (and beyond, frankly, but let's stick to recent history), the public pronouncements and the behind-the-scenes honest facts don't match up. Again.
And this time, it wasn't soldiers at risk from lies and the cover-ups — it was teenagers entrusted to work as pages in Congress, and a Republican leadership more interested in keeping smarmy Uncle Foley's secret "in the family" than in making certain every page serving in the House stayed safe from the hard cruise and grooming e-mails, with the GOP leadership's outrage reserved only for the after-the-fact time when they got caught with their hands in the cover-up jar.
Furthermore, ...as I type the revelations are pouting in. It seems Mark Foley's habits were known more than a year ago. One former congressional page has come forward...
GOP Staff Warned Pages About Foley in 2001
October 01, 2006 4:00 PM
A Republican staff member warned congressional pages five years ago to watch out for Congressman Mark Foley, according to a former page.
Matthew Loraditch, a page in the 2001-2002 class, told ABC News he and other pages were warned about Foley by a supervisor in the House Clerk's office.
Loraditch, the president of the Page Alumni Association, said the pages were told "don't get too wrapped up in him being too nice to you and all that kind of stuff."
Staff members at the House Clerk's office did not return calls seeking comment.
Some of the sexually explicit instant messages that led to Foley's abrupt resignation Friday were sent to pages in Loraditch's class.
Pages report to either Republican or Democratic supervisors, depending on the political party of the member of Congress who nominate them for the page program.
Several Democratic pages tell ABC News they received no such warnings about Foley.
Loraditch says that some of the pages who "interacted" with Foley were hesitant to report his behavior because "members of Congress, they've got the power." Many of the pages were hoping for careers in politics and feared Foley might seek retribution.
Loraditch runs the alumni association for the U.S. House Page Program, and he is deeply concerned about the future effects this scandal could have on a program that he sees as a valuable educational experience for teens.
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/guide?category=Brian_Ross_Investigations&subcategory=&id=2509590#2509590
Also I've never been a fan of Woodward's - but is the book that good? I know the WH is dodging it.
You tell me. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=97507.msg1416258#msg1416258 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=97507.msg1416258#msg1416258)
At this point, seriously, for all us Americans, politicla party shouldn't matter anymore. We can no longer say "heathen democrats". We should be aware that repubs have really put what is right on the backburner, for what is best for the American Empire.
Agree/disagree?
They have NOT done what is best for the American Empire, ...they're miserable failures at that too. The situation in Iraq is a mess. They did however do what was best for terrorists. They recruited them better than the terrorists were ever able to do. That's not hearsay from Woodwards book. That was the unanimous conclusion of 16 US intelligence agencies, ...but Bush and the rest of those psychopaths kept lying to the American public, as well as themselves. Campaigning for re-election on what a great job they were doing over there.
Now their about to attempt damage control with a new campaign using military personnel and halliburton employees, claiming the media only wants to talk about bad news, but they know the truth about what's happening over there. They plan to wage yet another propaganda campaign discrediting their own NIE report, in an attempt to once again get American's to dismiss recent revelations of sexual predators in congress and house leaders who covered it up as well as the NIE report, and halliburton revelations, ...and to shove it all down the memory hole.
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Does this belong to your party?
http://www.nambla.org/
I find it very interesting that 240isBack attempts to scold Z1 for what 240isBack says was a characterization of the entire Republican Party, but conveniently skips over this obviously disgusting and false characterization of the left leaning party jaguarenterprises belongs to? Quote "the Liberals have organizations for this crap and defend its existence!" (Quote corrected for shitty grammar) Is that a true characterization of all liberals or any liberal party? FUCK NO! Did Mr. 240isBack address Intenseone’s false characterization? Fuck No!
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I find it very interesting that 240isBack attempts to scold Z1 for what 240isBack says was a characterization of the entire Republican Party, but conveniently skips over this obviously disgusting and false characterization of the left leaning party jaguarenterprises belongs to? Quote "the Liberals have organizations for this crap and defend its existence!" (Quote corrected for shitty grammar) Is that a true characterization of all liberals or any liberal party? f**k NO! Did Mr. 240isBack address Intenseone’s false characterization? f**k No!
And what is my false characterzation? NAMBLA IS a Liberal orgazization!
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I find it very interesting that 240isBack attempts to scold Z1 for what 240isBack says was a characterization of the entire Republican Party, but conveniently skips over this obviously disgusting and false characterization of the left leaning party jaguarenterprises belongs to? Quote "the Liberals have organizations for this crap and defend its existence!" (Quote corrected for shitty grammar) Is that a true characterization of all liberals or any liberal party? f**k NO! Did Mr. 240isBack address Intenseone’s false characterization? f**k No!
Actually Tony, I'm not even a Democrat. I'm Canadian, and we have 3 major political parties up here.
We have the left-wing New Democratic Party, the right-wing Conservative Party, and then we have the party in the centre The Liberal Party of Canada. I'm in the centre, but some of these guys are sooo far to the right, that even someone like myself who is in the centre (infact I'm slightly right of centre ...but I know too much about the Conservative leadership to ever give them my vote...we actually have real elections up here where a person's vote actually counts and is counted) . . . but even someone like myself looks like a communist. Some of these guys are that far to the right.
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Actually Tony, I'm not even a Democrat. I'm Canadian, and we have 3 major political parties up here.
We have the left-wing New Democratic Party, the right-wing Conservative Party, and then we have the party in the centre The Liberal Party of Canada. I'm in the centre, but some of these guys are sooo far to the right, that even someone like myself who is in the centre (infact I'm slightly right of centre ...but I know too much about the Conservative leadership to ever give them my vote...we actually have real elections up here where a person's vote actually counts and is counted) . . . but even someone like myself looks like a communist. Some of these guys are that far to the right.
The center? AAAaaaahahahahahahahahah aha, your as Liberal as Janine Garafalo at a lesbian abortion support rally......"in the center" ROTFLMAO!
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Actually Tony, I'm not even a Democrat. I'm Canadian, and we have 3 major political parties up here.
We have the left-wing New Democratic Party, the right-wing Conservative Party, and then we have the party in the centre The Liberal Party of Canada. I'm in the centre, but some of these guys are sooo far to the right, that even someone like myself who is in the centre (infact I'm slightly right of centre ...but I know too much about the Conservative leadership to ever give them my vote...we actually have real elections up here where a person's vote actually counts and is counted) . . . but even someone like myself looks like a communist. Some of these guys are that far to the right.
Thanks for the details... I didn't know for sure which is why I put the question mark, but it was obvious from his other quote that he was addressing the left and left leaning or a left leaning party as being supportive of NAMBLA which is ludicrous.
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The center? AAAaaaahahahahahahahahah aha, your as Liberal as Janine Garafalo at a lesbian abortion support rally......"in the center" ROTFLMAO!
Did you mean Janeane Garofalo? Been reading your posts and I'm fucking shocked you got the name that close. Man, fella, you need to start spell checking or something. Some of your posts are a hard read in a WTF did he just try to say sort of way :-\
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I find it very interesting that 240isBack attempts to scold Z1 for what 240isBack says was a characterization of the entire Republican Party, but conveniently skips over this obviously disgusting and false characterization of the left leaning party jaguarenterprises belongs to? Quote "the Liberals have organizations for this crap and defend its existence!" (Quote corrected for shitty grammar) Is that a true characterization of all liberals or any liberal party? f**k NO! Did Mr. 240isBack address Intenseone’s false characterization? f**k No!
I cannot understand what you just wrote. Please break down your point more clearly.
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Did you mean Janeane Garofalo? Been reading your posts and I'm fucking shocked you got the name that close. Man, fella, you need to start spell checking or something. Some of your posts are a hard read in a WTF did he just try to say sort of way :-\
STFU, who are you....my high school english teacher?
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STFU, who are you....my high school english teacher?
That's funny as shit coming from someone who obviously ***didn't*** have a high school English teacher. There is no way you graduated sportin them skills hommie!!! LOL your ass right back to your hood. ;)
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That's funny as shit coming from someone who obviously ***didn't*** have a high school English teacher. There is no way you graduated sportin them skills hommie!!! LOL your ass right back to your hood. ;)
My hood? LOL
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My hood? LOL
Crap! Hood is a black thing huh :-\ You're clearly Chicano. Sorry man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://www.darksidebodybuilding.com/npics/13.jpg)
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Crap! Hood is a black thing huh :-\ You're clearly Chicano. Sorry man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://www.darksidebodybuilding.com/npics/13.jpg)
I'm as "chicano" as Jag is conservative!
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From left to right you're the third guy over! The resemblance in uncanny!
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Get a load of this crap.
{LMAO} Listen to what he says at the very end of this commentary. Incredible!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6BKR4cTmAg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6BKR4cTmAg)
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Resign, Mr. Speaker
The Washington Times
TODAY'S EDITORIAL
October 3, 2006
The facts of the disgrace of Mark Foley, who was a Republican member of the House from a Florida district until he resigned last week, constitute a disgrace for every Republican member of Congress. Red flags emerged in late 2005, perhaps even earlier, in suggestive and wholly inappropriate e-mail messages to underage congressional pages. His aberrant, predatory -- and possibly criminal -- behavior was an open secret among the pages who were his prey. The evidence was strong enough long enough ago that the speaker should have relieved Mr. Foley of his committee responsibilities contingent on a full investigation to learn what had taken place, whether any laws had been violated and what action, up to and including prosecution, were warranted by the facts. This never happened.
Rep. John Shimkus of Illinois, the Republican chairman of the House Page Board, said he learned about the Foley e-mail messages "in late 2005." Rep. John Boehner of Ohio, the leader of the Republican majority, said he was informed of the e-mail messages earlier this year. On Friday, Mr. Hastert dissembled, to put it charitably, before conceding that he, too, learned about the e-mail messages sometime earlier this year. Late yesterday afternoon, Mr. Hastert insisted that he learned of the most flagrant instant-message exchange from 2003 only last Friday, when it was reported by ABC News. This is irrelevant. The original e-mail messages were warning enough that a predator -- and, incredibly, the co-chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children -- could be prowling the halls of Congress. The matter wasn't pursued aggressively. It was barely pursued at all. Moreover, all available evidence suggests that the Republican leadership did not share anything related to this matter with any Democrat.
Now the scandal must unfold on the front pages of the newspapers and on the television screens, as transcripts of lewd messages emerge and doubts are rightly raised about the forthrightness of the Republican stewards of the 109th Congress. Some Democrats are attempting to make this "a Republican scandal," and they shouldn't; Democrats have contributed more than their share of characters in the tawdry history of congressional sexual scandals. Sexual predators come in all shapes, sizes and partisan hues, in institutions within and without government. When predators are found they must be dealt with, forcefully and swiftly. This time the offender is a Republican, and Republicans can't simply "get ahead" of the scandal by competing to make the most noise in calls for a full investigation. The time for that is long past.
House Speaker Dennis Hastert must do the only right thing, and resign his speakership at once. Either he was grossly negligent for not taking the red flags fully into account and ordering a swift investigation, for not even remembering the order of events leading up to last week's revelations -- or he deliberately looked the other way in hopes that a brewing scandal would simply blow away. He gave phony answers Friday to the old and ever-relevant questions of what did he know and when did he know it? Mr. Hastert has forfeited the confidence of the public and his party, and he cannot preside over the necessary coming investigation, an investigation that must examine his own inept performance.
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Sounds to me like there's going to be alot of paté 'cause there are a whole lotta gooses getting cooked.
Check out this ad going around the internet to throw Dennis Hastert out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAkEdWXwRaE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAkEdWXwRaE)
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Bush put his eggs in the Hastert basket today. Said that Hastert was doing everything he could to "provide leadership to police and investigators".
What does that mean? I'll cite it when the transcript comes up. Was on the news about ten minutes ago
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Yep, election season is DEFINITELY here now! ::)
Democrats Hypocrites on Sex Scandals
While they react with fury over the scandal involving former Rep. Mark Foley, Democrats maintain a discreet silence over the numerous sex scandals that have rocked their own party.
And unlike Republican scandals like Foley's, where shame and resignation were the outcome, the Democrats' shameful behavior were either blithely ignored or jocularly accepted.
For example, former Chicago Democratic Congressman Mel Reynolds received a commutation of his six-and-a-half-year federal sentence for 15 convictions of wire fraud, bank fraud and lies to the Federal Election Commission. He also was convicted of having sex with an underage campaign volunteer. But Jesse Jackson added Reynolds to Rainbow/PUSH Coalition's payroll.
Moreover, Reynolds was among the 176 criminals excused in President Clinton's last-minute pardon spree.
As Deroy Murdock, a columnist for Scripps Howard News Service, wrote back in 2002: "This is a first in American politics: An ex-congressman who had sex with a subordinate, won clemency from a president who had sex with a subordinate, then was hired by a clergyman who had sex with a subordinate. His new job? ... Youth counselor."
Of course, Murdock's "president" reference was to Clinton, who admitted to inappropriate sexual behavior with White House intern Monica Lewinsky; the "clergyman" was Jackson, who also had an affair with a former Rainbow/PUSH Coalition aide.
After receiving Clinton's pardon, Reynolds became a consultant for the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition on prison reform. He was employed as the community development director of Salem Baptist Church in Chicago.
More notorious was the case of Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., In 1989, male prostitute Stephen L. Gobie admitted that Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., knew that Gobie had operated a prostitution service out of Frank's Capitol Hill apartment. Frank, an openly gay member of Congress, confirmed that he had Gobie as a roommate in his apartment. Frank said he fired Gobie when he learned that clients were visiting his apartment.
Was Frank told by the Democratic leadership to resign his seat as Foley was forced to do?
Not at all. That was 17 years ago, and he is still a member of Congress, a respected member of the Democratic minority and is slated to assume the chairmanship of a key House committee should the Democrats recapture control of the House.
When former Rep. Gerry Studds admitted having sex with a teenage page, nobody in the Democratic leadership demanded he resign, nor did he offer to resign. He had a joint press conference with the boy and bragged about their affair. He was renominated by the Democrats and re-elected six times before retiring.
As Rush Limbaugh noted Monday, "The truth is that the people on the left who are acting all outraged and stunned and angry, they don't see what Clinton or Barney Frank or Gerry Studds did as repugnant. In fact, they view those things as private matters that didn't affect anybody's work, and it's nobody's business what somebody does with their private life, particularly when it comes to sex."
Unless it involves a Republican. Then it's a matter of outrage and hypocrisy.
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Yep, election season is DEFINITELY here now! ::)
Democrats Hypocrites on Sex Scandals
If there was proof, but his ass in jail. Why didn't they? You cannot blame the Republicans - you'd have to fault the FBI and or/media, for not investigatating, or for looking the other way.
All sex offenders belong in jail/removed from office. To try to take the focus off of Foley and hastert's cover up - because of what someone else did 17 years ago - is silly. They should have locked up/removed people back then, and they should do it now.
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Bush put his eggs in the Hastert basket today. Said that Hastert was doing everything he could to "provide leadership to police and investigators".
What does that mean? I'll cite it when the transcript comes up. Was on the news about ten minutes ago
It means he's looking forward to more rubberstamps from him. I could be wrong, but I understand Hasterts voting record has been 100% for whatever Bush wants. He probably is not gonna wanna give that up anytime soon. It's the same ole same ole. "Brownie, ...you're doing a heckuva job" ::)
Even though they blocked Nancy Pelosi's call for an investigation which they should have done from the start, ...now they're coming out and shouting for an investigation. Do they really think that's gonna work on the parents of America?
Even MORE disgusting is what some Republicans are now trying as a form of damage control.
They are referring to congressional pages as beasts. Saying "these 16 & 17 yr old beasts" milked him for everything he was worth. That they egged him on by saying they didn't get a handjob or that they weren't masturbating, ...and poor Foley... They may think they're selling it, but even I who does not have any children, cannot believe that parents are gonna react on Dem vs. Rep stance on this. Any parent worthy of being a parent, ...is gonna act like a parent.
I can't imagine what Walsh must be thinking right now. He must be reeling. :'(
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If there was proof, but his ass in jail. Why didn't they? You cannot blame the Republicans - you'd have to fault the FBI and or/media, for not investigatating, or for looking the other way.
All sex offenders belong in jail/removed from office. To try to take the focus off of Foley and hastert's cover up - because of what someone else did 17 years ago - is silly. They should have locked up/removed people back then, and they should do it now.
Like I said, 240, it's election time. Everyone's got their mud-slinging guns out.
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I cannot believe anyone, from either party, would try to turn this issue into "so-and-so did it 17 years ago" or "you're just trying to mess up elections".
Journalists asked questions about the emails twice in the last year. it was known in small circles. It was known to both hastert, and his bosses after he said 'it's being taken care of' then nothing happened.
How can anyone defend the 54-year old man cybering with a 16-year old under his authority, or the congressional leader who knew about it and did nothing, even tho it was his job?
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Like I said, 240, it's election time. Everyone's got their mud-slinging guns out.
yeah, and in return, the white house has the october surprise card. They can create attacks, find bin laden, whatever the hell they want, and the media will spoonfeed it to america.
the timing is suspect, BUT hastert could have come out anytime in the last year and made it news then. Sounds like he was just hoping it could get thru election time first.
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If there was proof, but his ass in jail. Why didn't they? You cannot blame the Republicans - you'd have to fault the FBI and or/media, for not investigatating, or for looking the other way.
If you're referring to Barney Frank, they did investigate... and they would have loved to smear him, but they couldn't. The Barney Frank thing occurred while Republicans held the whitehouse. All they could charge him with was being gay, ...and he's well out of the closet.
If you're referring to Foley's Follies, you cannot fault the FBI or the media. Republicans held this one close to the vest. When they did admit to knowing something, instead of alerting the proper authorities, they went to the campaign guy. They were more concerned about holding onto their seats than protecting kids.
All sex offenders belong in jail/removed from office. To try to take the focus off of Foley and hastert's cover up - because of what someone else did 17 years ago - is silly. They should have locked up/removed people back then, and they should do it now.
Worse than silly, is blaming the young victims of sexual harassment by referring to them as beasts. If parents across America let them get away with it, what kind of message does that send to their kids? I truly wonder how some people can look themselves in the mirror without vomitting. :(
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I think Hastert's job is in jeopardy.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/04/hastert.foley/index.html
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I think Hastert's job is in jeopardy.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/04/hastert.foley/index.html
We can only keep our fingers crossed.
He's burning the midnight oil trying to do damage control, but I believe it's gonna backfire.
John Boehner has flip flopped on this back & forth so many times he's gone too. First he said he notified Hastert, then he said he can't remember for sure if he did or not, ...then he gets on local radio talk show calling for Hastert's head to roll, ...
Now, Reynolds' aid, former Foley aid has come out and said Hastert knew all along... now we have a page from the class of 1999 saying Foley hit on him, inviting the kid out for ice-cream, and asking to hook up with him in San Diego.
Now there are alot of Republicans scrambling to distance themselves from Foley by donating to charity, the funds that Foley made to their campaigns.
It's not just Hastert that's in jeopardy, there are alot of people in jeopardy including those who are rushing to his defense. If I was a parent and heard my congressional representative try to defend him, I'd be hopping mad. When a conservative paper like the Washington Post prints an editorial like Tuesday's, you know the heat is on.
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We can only keep our fingers crossed.
He's burning the midnight oil trying to do damage control, but I believe it's gonna backfire.
John Boehner has flip flopped on this back & forth so many times he's gone too. First he said he notified Hastert, then he said he can't remember for sure if he did or not, ...then he gets on local radio talk show calling for Hastert's head to roll, ...
Now, Reynolds' aid, former Foley aid has come out and said Hastert knew all along... now we have a page from the class of 1999 saying Foley hit on him, inviting the kid out for ice-cream, and asking to hook up with him in San Diego.
Now there are alot of Republicans scrambling to distance themselves from Foley by donating to charity, the funds that Foley made to their campaigns.
It's not just Hastert that's in jeopardy, there are alot of people in jeopardy including those who are rushing to his defense. If I was a parent and heard my congressional representative try to defend him, I'd be hopping mad. When a conservative paper like the Washington Post prints an editorial like Tuesday's, you know the heat is on.
Conservative? Do you mean the Washington Times? (I haven't read the editorial you're referring to.)
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Conservative? Do you mean the Washington Times? (I haven't read the editorial you're referring to.)
WP is fairly neutral and picks and chooses what to support on the editorial.
The news section however, is pretty much purely journalist and may be the best available in the USA and the world today.
YIP
Zack
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FOX news has hastert press conference in 3 minutes,
1 PM est scheduled
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FOX news has hastert press conference in 3 minutes,
1 PM est scheduled
If it's on FOX it must be a conspiracy ;D!
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today's repub polling data shows a potential 'catastrophic' effect on nov elections, if hastert is leader of the house.
he's falling on the grenade in this press conference.
i bet he quits.
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If it's on FOX it must be a conspiracy ;D!
It pisses me off that a lot of those that pointed to the faults of FOX, and rightfully so, when Fox were spewing out Bush propaganda, now doesn't seem to mind the change of hearts over at FOX.
It's not that FOX all of a sudden decided to do real journalism, unbiased, investigative kind.
Murdoch just decided to spew their propaganda in favor of another guy, "Senator" Clinton.
It's bullshit regardless of what party that benefits.
YIP
Zack
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I doubt this has a major impact on the November elections. It sounds like the Democrats will gain ground in the Senate, but not take control. Not sure what's going on in the House races, but I don't see people changing their votes in droves over this.
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I doubt this has a major impact on the November elections. It sounds like the Democrats will gain ground in the Senate, but not take control. Not sure what's going on in the House races, but I don't see people changing their votes in droves over this.
no one is gonna change votes. it's just that less repubs will turn out. moderate/lazy repubs who vote when they feel passionate and stay home when they're disgusted - these people are the sway vote. When repubs are energized, their people get off work and vote, and they win races. When you have scandals like this, dems are a tad more energized to vote against them, but it's more of republicans just giving up for a bit, and skipping the polls.
LOL @ Hastert investigating himself with Louie Freeh of all people! hahahahahaha
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no one is gonna change votes. it's just that less repubs will turn out. moderate/lazy repubs who vote when they feel passionate and stay home when they're disgusted - these people are the sway vote. When repubs are energized, their people get off work and vote, and they win races. When you have scandals like this, dems are a tad more energized to vote against them, but it's more of republicans just giving up for a bit, and skipping the polls.
LOL @ Hastert investigating himself with Louie Freeh of all people! hahahahahaha
The Democrat and Republican presidential candidates are going to pull about 40 percent of the vote regardless of who runs or what the issues are. I think the "Reagan Democrats" and independents (like me) control elections at the national level. Block voting is far more effective at the state and local levels. Angry Democrats couldn't win the election the past two years, despite the fact Bush was a very weak candidate.
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The Democrat and Republican presidential candidates are going to pull about 40 percent of the vote regardless of who runs or what the issues are. I think the "Reagan Democrats" and independents (like me) control elections at the national level. Block voting is far more effective at the state and local levels. Angry Democrats couldn't win the election the past two years, despite the Bush was a very weak candidate.
But the repub candidates do not even want Bush's help this time around.
And the swing vote is certainly going to avoid repubs, between the war and the sex scandal.
bottom line, only the very naive or blindly obedient will tell you that they trust Bush at this point. Seriously. This isn't a liberal spew, it's a fact. Very few people trust what the white hose says right now. I don't think many repubs are going to vote this time.
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But the repub candidates do not even want Bush's help this time around.
And the swing vote is certainly going to avoid repubs, between the war and the sex scandal.
bottom line, only the very naive or blindly obedient will tell you that they trust Bush at this point. Seriously. This isn't a liberal spew, it's a fact. Very few people trust what the white hose says right now. I don't think many repubs are going to vote this time.
If that were true the Democrats would take over the Senate. Latest projections I heard this morning is they will not.
The war issue couldn't win the White House for Democrats in 2004. I doubt it wins it for them in 2008. The Democrat party is still floundering. Looks like Hillary will be the frontrunner in 08, which will equal another Republican president. Those liberals never learn: Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry . . . Hillary. Sheesh.
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It pisses me off that a lot of those that pointed to the faults of FOX, and rightfully so, when Fox were spewing out Bush propaganda, now doesn't seem to mind the change of hearts over at FOX.
It's not that FOX all of a sudden decided to do real journalism, unbiased, investigative kind.
Murdoch just decided to spew their propaganda in favor of another guy, "Senator" Clinton.
It's bullshit regardless of what party that benefits.
YIP
Zack
They're fair and balanced!
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If that were true the Democrats would take over the Senate. Latest projections I heard this morning is they will not.
The war issue couldn't win the White House for Democrats in 2004. I doubt it wins it for them in 2008. The Democrat party is still floundering. Looks like Hillary will be the frontrunner in 08, which will equal another Republican president. Those liberals never learn: Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry . . . Hillary. Sheesh.
First, be careful not to use the 2004 election as your benchmark - in ten years it will be common knowledge what happened in Ohio. I'll be called a CT nut for mentioning it, but the programmer who changed the results passed an FBI polygraph saying he rigged it, then the WH squashed the investigation.
The election in 04 was very close, and the country was still very pro-War.
By 08, if we're still losing 3-5 men a day, Bush would be the luckiest man on earth to have such a close race.
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First, be careful not to use the 2004 election as your benchmark - in ten years it will be common knowledge what happened in Ohio. I'll be called a CT nut for mentioning it, but the programmer who changed the results passed an FBI polygraph saying he rigged it, then the WH squashed the investigation.
The election in 04 was very close, and the country was still very pro-War.
By 08, if we're still losing 3-5 men a day, Bush would be the luckiest man on earth to have such a close race.
The Ohio election results were rigged. ??? 240 it must suck to be you. How do you juggle all those conspiracy theories? Must be frustrating to be a voice in the wilderness.
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The Ohio election results were rigged. ??? 240 it must suck to be you. How do you juggle all those conspiracy theories? Must be frustrating to be a voice in the wilderness.
Don't count Michael Ruppert out yet. He might still have some fight left in him. Martrydom has a powerful effect.
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Conservative? Do you mean the Washington Times? (I haven't read the editorial you're referring to.)
Yes, that's what I mean't. You can read the editorial at
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20061002-102008-9058r.htm (http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20061002-102008-9058r.htm)
or here:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=97501.msg1422456#msg1422456 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=97501.msg1422456#msg1422456)
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BREAKING NEWS:
A former congressional page has come forward to say that he had sex with Congressman Foley,
...and that the sexual relationship first started after Foley initiated flirtatious instant messages to him! :o
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BREAKING NEWS:
A former congressional page has come forward to say that he had sex with Congressman Foley,
...and that the sexual relationship first started after Foley initiated flirtatious instant messages to him! :o
The guy said he was 21 when they had sex.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/page-claims-he-had-sex-with-foley/2006/10/09/1160246039736.html
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The guy said he was 21 when they had sex.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/page-claims-he-had-sex-with-foley/2006/10/09/1160246039736.html
True enough, ...however it clearly shows Foley considered the congressional page program his personal little dating service from which to pick & choose.
"The young man told the LA Times that he and his fellow pages were surprised that it took so long for Foley "to get caught"-- Former page who had SEX with Foley
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LMAO...
Just heard that frequently, known homosexual congressmen would go on camping trips with 2 or 3 underage pages. I don't care what party you're from, you gotta find that disgusting.
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:o
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And what is my false characterzation? NAMBLA IS a Liberal orgazization!
1) What makes it a liberal organization, and
2) have more democrats or republicans been involved in man-boy-love scandals?
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Former Florida Rep. Mark Foley sits behind Trump at rally
Source: the hill.com
Former Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) on Wednesday sat behind Donald Trump at the GOP nominee's rally in Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
Foley resigned from his position in 2006 amid allegations that he had sent sexual emails and messages to teenage boys who had worked or were working as Congressional pages.
He was spotted by reporters Wednesday night sitting behind the GOP nominee during his event in Florida and was clearly visible in video from the event.
Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/291061-former-florida-rep-mark-foley-seated-behind-trump-at
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Desperation = digging up threads that are almost 10 years old...lmao.
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Desperation = digging up threads that are almost 10 years old...lmao.
relevant because the sexual predator in question showed up at a trump rally today and had a really good seat.
it goes to his continuing legacy. when he ends up being picked as secretary of middle school boys soccer under the Trump administration, we'll have all seen it coming.