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a gift was given yesterday night to jason cutler; a gift from a 50% ron coleman. ron coleman was not on stage. he wasnt on stage on friday either.
the IFBB is not at fault here,, they gave the title to a hard worker and a good guy that prove that even with average genetics you can achieve your goals as long as you work smart and keep drug intake consistant.
jason cutler looked HORRIBLE but he was conditioned and 90-100% on spot (with wider than ever torso that included improved lats/wider waist and ofcourse no arms). ron coleman was no where to be found.
if ron coleman ever decide to show up in vegas and prepare accordingly,,he will win his 9th and 10th titles,,,wether its at 44 or 45 it wont matter. he is in a leage of his own.
2006 and 1976 are the worst years ever for bodybuiding but! sometimes you just gotta appriciate hard work and dedication.
congrats cutler. a win is a win.
im going back to sleep
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I heard some top guys even saw Ronnie finishing in 3 rd...
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Meltdown !
did you finish in the top 10 ?
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No, he is correct. Jay did not beat a 100% Coleman; he beat a Coleman with half a back, no left tricep and horrible legs and glutes (which is saying something since he had some of the best wheels ever). Jay worked like hell and deserved to beat Coleman. Too bad that he looked worse than both Dex and Vic. Regardless, Vic will ascend to the throne in time as he is the first person since pre-bloat Colema with everything. Coleman needs to hang up them trunks as I do not feel he has the drive or physical ability to overcome his injuries. Game is on for 2007.
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Hulkster made a post already asking if it would be fair if Ronnie did not lose.
I don't think this surprises anybody in terms of physique quality - but I am shocked that as far as IFBB politics go Ronnie would lose. How did that happen? Even if a current Mr. Olympia DESERVES to lose - he won't. So again, how did this happen? ???
I'm not debating that the decision was unfair per say. In 1998 or 2003 I would have had every problem with somebody other than Ronnie winning and a lot of other years have been debatable, and this is one of those years. But it is simple history that a current Mr. Olympia will win even IF it is debatable.
MattC,
I think the IFBB new, that if Ronnie wasnt dominating Jay this year, if there was any sign of REGRESSION of ROnnies physique, they already knew they were going to have a new mrO....if they would of screwed Jay over this year, while obviously looking better, SHIT would of HIT the fan. Competitors wouldnt bother anymore as they would feel it is truly a popularity contest....Braveo to the judging panel of the IFBB for showing some NUTS.
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No, he is correct. Jay did not beat a 100% Coleman; he beat a Coleman with half a back, no left tricep and horrible legs and glutes (which is saying something since he had some of the best wheels ever). Jay worked like hell and deserved to beat Coleman.
What if Arnold came back to compete? What if Haney was still competing when Dorian took it. I'm sure a 100% Jay Vs. a 100% Ronnie would still have Ronnie winning.
You can't say anything of this.
Ronnie showed up less 100%. Jay showed up better. Due to the politics in the sport, Jay was the next in line, and he waited it out till Ronnie showed up below par.
Jay won over Ronnie. No need to say it was only because Ronnie wasn't 100%. That doesn't matter, it just matters that Jay was better than Ronnie last night. Fair and square in the land of Jay and Ronnie. Ronnie knew it.
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a gift was given yesterday night to jason cutler; a gift from a 50% ron coleman. ron coleman was not on stage. he wasnt on stage on friday either.
the IFBB is not at fault here,, they gave the title to a hard worker and a good guy that prove that even with average genetics you can achieve your goals as long as you work smart and keep drug intake consistant.
jason cutler looked HORRIBLE but he was conditioned and 90-100% on spot (with wider than ever torso that included improved lats/wider waist and ofcourse no arms). ron coleman was no where to be found.
if ron coleman ever decide to show up in vegas and prepare accordingly,,he will win his 9th and 10th titles,,,wether its at 44 or 45 it wont matter. he is in a leage of his own.
2006 and 1976 are the worst years ever for bodybuiding but! sometimes you just gotta appriciate hard work and dedication.
congrats cutler. a win is a win.
im going back to sleep
good post...hope he puts it together and comes back harder next year ???
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Its a very shallow victory for Jay,the crown could have went either way.
Jay barely beat the worst Ronnie ever and he knows that.
They both should quit now and carry on with their lives,this is starting to take a heavy price on them both.
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Ronnie looks so worn down. He looked like he was trying to parlay everything last night for something unattainable for him for once.
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a gift was given yesterday night to jason cutler; a gift from a 50% ron coleman. ron coleman was not on stage. he wasnt on stage on friday either.
the IFBB is not at fault here,, they gave the title to a hard worker and a good guy that prove that even with average genetics you can achieve your goals as long as you work smart and keep drug intake consistant.
jason cutler looked HORRIBLE but he was conditioned and 90-100% on spot (with wider than ever torso that included improved lats/wider waist and ofcourse no arms). ron coleman was no where to be found.
if ron coleman ever decide to show up in vegas and prepare accordingly,,he will win his 9th and 10th titles,,,wether its at 44 or 45 it wont matter. he is in a leage of his own.
2006 and 1976 are the worst years ever for bodybuiding but! sometimes you just gotta appriciate hard work and dedication.
congrats cutler. a win is a win.
im going back to sleep
i agree that ronnie was off and that he will return next year to take back his crown...there is nothing anyone can do about that because ronnie at his best is in a league of his own...we will see him dominate the field next year.
however to make a comment that jay looked horrible and that he only has average genitics is just plain stupid.
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a gift was given yesterday night to jason cutler; a gift from a 50% ron coleman. ron coleman was not on stage. he wasnt on stage on friday either.
the IFBB is not at fault here,, they gave the title to a hard worker and a good guy that prove that even with average genetics you can achieve your goals as long as you work smart and keep drug intake consistant.
jason cutler looked HORRIBLE but he was conditioned and 90-100% on spot (with wider than ever torso that included improved lats/wider waist and ofcourse no arms). ron coleman was no where to be found.
if ron coleman ever decide to show up in vegas and prepare accordingly,,he will win his 9th and 10th titles,,,wether its at 44 or 45 it wont matter. he is in a leage of his own.
2006 and 1976 are the worst years ever for bodybuiding but! sometimes you just gotta appriciate hard work and dedication.
congrats cutler. a win is a win.
im going back to sleep
THE MOST RETARDED POST IN THE HISTORY OF GETBIG...
jay won fair and square he was in the shpe of his life..wide back,thick legs,thick arsm..if any one says jays arms were small must be smoking alot of crack..dude jay looked awesome..how can you say he had no arms..dude your retarded and thats it..jay rulz
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I'm not sure there's a guy anywhere on the planet deserving of the Mr. Olympia crown right now, at least not the way we used to perceive the winners. I love the way it played out last night, don't get me wrong...and gh15, that was an excellent post, as always. You know your shit. I'm just saying that I think Ronnie was kinda over it and Jay really did ALL he could to get in that condition...but I mean look at those pictures of Dorian guys posted this morning. Look at pictures of Coleman the first few years he was winning it. No one's dominating right now and it's clear now that the GH/insulin stuff is really taking it's toll on everyone. Who here thinks that Jay's at the beginning of a 5+ year run here? Nobody, hell this looked alot more like a swansong to me. I don't even think the more aesthetic guys in the show last night were aesthetic by our old standards. Gustavo's now ruined...I didn't see anything special in Dexter last night...Victor Martinez only looked good because he was put next to those other guys...he'll never look as good as he once did at the 2002 NOC, and I think Melvin really looked the most aesthetically pleasing last night but I can't see him getting any better in the future. It's as though after the gh-blown guys actually get dry enough to still look good they only go downhill after that. The kidneys take such a beating. Remember the last time Flex Wheeler looked good at the Arnold (I think it was 2003?), when Chad FORCED him to look good one more time even after he'd done enough GH to have to get braces? It was all downhill after that. We never saw his hams or glutes again because his kidneys had been permanently damaged. I bet Melvin had to get dry as hell to look like that last night. I could be wrong, but ask Melvin how extreme his diuretic stuff was last night and I'll bet he'll tell you he felt like he was really playing with fire this time.
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I'm not sure there's a guy anywhere on the planet deserving of the Mr. Olympia crown right now, at least not the way we used to perceive the winners. I love the way it played out last night, don't get me wrong...and gh15, that was an excellent post, as always. You know your shit. I'm just saying that I think Ronnie was kinda over it and Jay really did ALL he could to get in that condition...but I mean look at those pictures of Dorian guys posted this morning. Look at pictures of Coleman the first few years he was winning it. No one's dominating right now and it's clear now that the GH/insulin stuff is really taking it's toll on everyone. Who here thinks that Jay's at the beginning of a 5+ year run here? Nobody, hell this looked alot more like a swansong to me. I don't even think the more aesthetic guys in the show last night were aesthetic by our old standards. Gustavo's now ruined...I didn't see anything special in Dexter last night...Victor Martinez only looked good because he was put next to those other guys...he'll never look as good as he once did at the 2002 NOC, and I think Melvin really looked the most aesthetically pleasing last night but I can't see him getting any better in the future. It's as though after the gh-blown guys actually get dry enough to still look good they only go downhill after that. The kidneys take such a beating. Remember the last time Flex Wheeler looked good at the Arnold (I think it was 2003?), when Chad FORCED him to look good one more time even after he'd done enough GH to have to get braces? It was all downhill after that. We never saw his hams or glutes again because his kidneys had been permanently damaged. I bet Melvin had to get dry as hell to look like that last night. I could be wrong, but ask Melvin how extreme his diuretic stuff was last night and I'll bet he'll tell you he felt like he was really playing with fire this time.
You are absolutely right. So many of todays pros just always look "tired". It's like gh use has a bell curve and once you've crossed over the top of the bell you're never able to get your body back to the way it was at the top of the curve. Gus is the perfect example. No matter how hard he'll try he will never get back to the way he looked a couple of years ago. Dex is crossing over to the other side of the curve right before our eyes. Melvin is right on top of the curve and I guarantee you right now Chad is telling him "just 10 more pounds Melvin, give me 10 more pounds" It's sad to watch what's happening to a lot of these guys, espicially when the IFBB keeps telling us they are going to fix it with the new mandate.
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THE MOST RETARDED POST IN THE HISTORY OF GETBIG...
jay won fair and square he was in the shpe of his life..wide back,thick legs,thick arsm..if any one says jays arms were small must be smoking alot of crack..dude jay looked awesome..how can you say he had no arms..dude your retarded and thats it..jay rulz
Exactly gh15 is a fruad. Any pro would have called it like all the other pros there. Or at least close.subjectivley.... Even pro Ronnie guys do not hate that hard. Jay won fair and square. Gh is some gimmick or person in the know posing as a pro. If he is in fact a pro he is prob some 3rd tier nobody that couldent hold Cutlers jock.
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a gift was given yesterday night to jason cutler; a gift from a 50% ron coleman. ron coleman was not on stage. he wasnt on stage on friday either.
the IFBB is not at fault here,, they gave the title to a hard worker and a good guy that prove that even with average genetics you can achieve your goals as long as you work smart and keep drug intake consistant.
jason cutler looked HORRIBLE but he was conditioned and 90-100% on spot (with wider than ever torso that included improved lats/wider waist and ofcourse no arms). ron coleman was no where to be found.
if ron coleman ever decide to show up in vegas and prepare accordingly,,he will win his 9th and 10th titles,,,wether its at 44 or 45 it wont matter. he is in a leage of his own.
2006 and 1976 are the worst years ever for bodybuiding but! sometimes you just gotta appriciate hard work and dedication.
congrats cutler. a win is a win.
im going back to sleep
Who the hell are you then??? ??? I take it 15 is either your age or your IQ?
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Always convince me that rear Double bi is the most important pose for BBing contest especialy pros.
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The top guys are coming in looking worse and worse.....bodies are starting to take it's tole from too much gear year after year!
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this is how the physique of a mr. olympia should look like...
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The top guys are coming in looking worse and worse.....bodies are starting to take it's tole from too much gear year after year!
Maybe its the sign of the dead end of the progress of human body for BBing.
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Rockel has soft glutes. Bber should have striated glutes.
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this is how the physique of a mr. olympia should look like...
Yes, those 2 were probably the 2 most pleasing-to-the-eye physiques in the lineup. But it's still hard to put them next to Ronnie or Jay and feel as though they were cheated. The Olympia isn't so much a showcase for perfection as it is a contest to see who shows up the most "extreme." It's that "holy shit" factor that's most rewarded in a bodybuilding show and you just can't discount the effect the extreme has on perception. Who would you rather look like, or who should have won? Two different answers entirely if you ask me and it's hard to make sense of that. A bit of a paradox.
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Jay didn't win this year's O. Ronnie lost it.
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Jay didn't win this year's O. Ronnie lost it.
Very good way of putting it! Seriously I could see where they'd both be best served by retiring now...or at least Jay after one more year of having fun with the title.
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Maybe Ronnie can get pissed off enough to just destroy Jay in a couple of the Grand Prix shows and then just let all this go.
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Rockel has soft glutes. Bber should have striated glutes.
If you're all about male ass, I understand why you think so. And I respect you guys.
The rest of us, the heterosexuals, may have a different opinion.
YIP
Zack
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Yes, those 2 were probably the 2 most pleasing-to-the-eye physiques in the lineup. But it's still hard to put them next to Ronnie or Jay and feel as though they were cheated. The Olympia isn't so much a showcase for perfection as it is a contest to see who shows up the most "extreme." It's that "holy shit" factor that's most rewarded in a bodybuilding show and you just can't discount the effect the extreme has on perception. Who would you rather look like, or who should have won? Two different answers entirely if you ask me and it's hard to make sense of that. A bit of a paradox.
i know exactly what you mean. of course ronnie and jay absolutely "dwarf" those two when standing next to each other. but you also spoke about perfection. when being mr. olympia is not about physical perfection, then WTF is?
this dwarfing and "holy shit" emotions are so primitive. i feel that too of course, but it shouldn´t be a factor in judging and rewarding the most perfect physiques.
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If you're all about male ass, I understand why you think so. And I respect you guys.
The rest of us, the heterosexuals, may have a different opinion.
YIP
Zack
Because soft ass look gayer than ever.OK? Still do you like it soft? :)
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Yes, those 2 were probably the 2 most pleasing-to-the-eye physiques in the lineup. But it's still hard to put them next to Ronnie or Jay and feel as though they were cheated. The Olympia isn't so much a showcase for perfection as it is a contest to see who shows up the most "extreme." It's that "holy shit" factor that's most rewarded in a bodybuilding show and you just can't discount the effect the extreme has on perception. Who would you rather look like, or who should have won? Two different answers entirely if you ask me and it's hard to make sense of that. A bit of a paradox.
great posts from you
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this is how the physique of a mr. olympia should look like...
BUMp that shit-
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I read a crazy rumor a couple of years ago about Cutler, that he'd ODd on insulin by mistake and lost his sight in one eye. In every picture he is squinting... could it be true? Anyone else heard this?
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I read a crazy rumor a couple of years ago about Cutler, that he'd ODd on insulin by mistake and lost his sight in one eye. In every picture he is squinting... could it be true? Anyone else heard this?
Guaw!
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Remember the last time Flex Wheeler looked good at the Arnold (I think it was 2003?), when Chad FORCED him to look good one more time even after he'd done enough GH to have to get braces?
So it's true that GH can alter the facial structure enough so that you have to get braces because you get gaps between the teeth?
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Cutler has nothing amazing.
He's not super big. (like coleman)
He's not really aesthetic.
He's not super conditionned (like yates).
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Cutler has nothing amazing.
He's not super big. (like coleman)
He's not really aesthetic.
He's not super conditionned (like yates).
Very true. But the sad thing is nobody was better than him...
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No, he is correct. Jay did not beat a 100% Coleman; he beat a Coleman with half a back, no left tricep and horrible legs and glutes (which is saying something since he had some of the best wheels ever). Jay worked like hell and deserved to beat Coleman. Too bad that he looked worse than both Dex and Vic. Regardless, Vic will ascend to the throne in time as he is the first person since pre-bloat Colema with everything. Coleman needs to hang up them trunks as I do not feel he has the drive or physical ability to overcome his injuries. Game is on for 2007.
I agree... there is no way (and yeah I know he's much bigger then either) he in a physique competition should beat either Dex or Vic...
I agree about Coleman too... his physique looks tired and "beat up"...
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ronnie didnt give the mr o to jay...as neither of them should be in the top 2...anthony was the real winner, and rockel is better than jay, so is dex.
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Jay didn't win this year's O. Ronnie lost it.
Obviously, you haven't seen the pictures. Jay came in better than ever, and believe me, to topple the 8time "O", you would have to knock him out. And Jay clearly did, in the 1st round at that. Second place is not that bad, Ronnie is still a legend, time to pass the torch.
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I've seen all pics mate.
I actually think Ronnie looked better at the night show then he did at pre judging and TBH just don't see Jay as a Mr Olympia. To me he's nothing special. He has hardly any detail to his muscles and just looks boring to me. I'd still pick Ron as the winner but this is a subjective sport and that's what makes it interesting.
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a gift was given yesterday night to jason cutler; a gift from a 50% ron coleman. ron coleman was not on stage. he wasnt on stage on friday either.
the IFBB is not at fault here,, they gave the title to a hard worker and a good guy that prove that even with average genetics you can achieve your goals as long as you work smart and keep drug intake consistant.
jason cutler looked HORRIBLE but he was conditioned and 90-100% on spot (with wider than ever torso that included improved lats/wider waist and ofcourse no arms). ron coleman was no where to be found.
if ron coleman ever decide to show up in vegas and prepare accordingly,,he will win his 9th and 10th titles,,,wether its at 44 or 45 it wont matter. he is in a leage of his own.
2006 and 1976 are the worst years ever for bodybuiding but! sometimes you just gotta appriciate hard work and dedication.
congrats cutler. a win is a win.
im going back to sleep
last time i checked both ronnie and Jay had the same time to compete....
bottom line Ronnie didnt bring it...if ronnie was 100% its his damn fault...
congrats to Jay
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it's fresh air for the sport.
Ronnie was too heavy.
The best in shape big man should always win,
and that's what happened.
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for all the compainers,,,you need to understand one thing,, there is no other bodybuilder on planet earth that is more happy than me that jason cutler is mr O. i love the guy,,he has a heart of gold and a fighter to the end.
yes he has average genetics,, yes he has no arms to write home about,,yes he is blocky,,but he bring the best out of him and improves what he can,,and THATS the story of jason cutler in every aspect of life.
dont think even for a second that i do not acknowledge this tremendous win by a white guy from some country town in usa,,that came against all odds and ended up mr o.
as always you will see that he will try to make the best out of this position,, and promote bodybuilding to the best of his ability,, and all through the process will never change his colors and remain true to himself and his wife.
pheniminal job and hope for everyone who ever touch weights and decide to take bodybuilding seriously.
again congrats,,i take my hat off.
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Bottomline......both Ronnie and Jay looked like shit.......it was a totally political decision, there were at least 5 other people that could have been top two easily!
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Victor "The Next Mr. Olympia" Martinez will take his thrown from Jay who will be keeping it warm for him for about a year's time....LoL....
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Your all fucking blind. Jay Cutler won!!!!! Fair and square!!! get it through your heads, as freaky as Ronnie is, he came in unprepared. So he lost, to Jay Cutler
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We all know Cutler won, we are all just hoping him the best on retaining his title in the future for his structure is more flawed than a bullet-holed-hull boat on its way down.....Sorry....LoL... .
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Meltdown !
did you finish in the top 10 ?
Top 8 actually... ;)
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But why not give it to Victor then?
MASS-The #1 criteria. It is called bodyBUILDING for a reason
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it's fresh air for the sport.
Ronnie was too heavy.
The best in shape big man should always win,
and that's what happened.
I'll second that!