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MIAMI - A fugitive gunman accused of killing a Florida sheriff’s deputy was shot 68 times by SWAT team officers who found him hiding in the woods, according to autopsy results.
Police fired 110 shots at Angilo Freeland, 27, the target of a massive manhunt in central Florida following the shooting death of Polk County Sheriff’s Deputy Matt Williams Thursday.
“That’s all the bullets we had, or we would have shot him more,” Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd told the Orlando Sentinel newspaper.
Judd said Williams was “executed” after Freeland was pulled over in a routine traffic stop on Thursday. Another deputy was wounded and a police dog killed.
Williams, 39, was shot eight times—one bullet fired at close range behind the deputy’s right ear and another in his right temple, according to autopsy results released on Saturday by the sheriff’s office.
Sheriff’s officials said SWAT team members found Freeland on Friday hiding under a fallen oak tree in a wooded area near where the deputies were shot, and began firing when they saw a gun in his hand.
Now I can uderstand how they are angry because a fellow officer was killed. But Police are trained to shoot to stop the action not shoot to kill. The Sherriffs comments just worried me about the type of world we are heading into.
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Maybe there were 110 cops and they all shot once
Maybe there were 55 cops and they all shot twice
Maybe there were.......
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Maybe this scumbag executed a cop and the swat team pumped him full of a little extra lead for the sheriffs kids. One can hope so!
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I agree. If he killed, he should face justice. And he looks very guilty.
But the verrrrry first msnbc report, when they were still kicking the body, was a cop telling the camera that he had one hand up to surrender, and his other hand wasn't yet visible, so they shot. And you KNOW that the very first people interviewed- the folks who were there - always tell the truth up front. It's later, when everyone adopts the official story, that stories change.
On the off-chance that he WAS trying to surrender, shooting him 68 times wasn't exactly legal. Morally wrong? I doubt it. But if you don't keep an eye on extreme polie executions, they may become more and more commonplace.
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Who cares how many times they shot him? Just another piece of road trash dead.
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Maybe it took 68 shots to kill him?
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“That’s all the bullets we had, or we would have shot him more,” Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd told the Orlando Sentinel newspaper.
fair dinkum
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Who cares how many times they shot him? Just another piece of road trash dead.
Point is, once the police have permission to empty all of their guns into bad guys, we have a pretty big problem. Wouldn't you agree?
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Point is, once the police have permission to empty all of their guns into bad guys, we have a pretty big problem. Wouldn't you agree?
Not at all. The guy had shot two cops and killed one. I don't care if they called in an airstrike on him.
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Point is, once the police have permission to empty all of their guns into bad guys, we have a pretty big problem. Wouldn't you agree?
No. Your conspiracy theories are effecting your thinking my friend. Everything is a conspiracy or inside job to you these days. If this guy was a suspected killer with no evidence to prove his guilt you would have a point. Other than that I dont really see the beef.
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legally, if he put his hands up to surrender and was executed, those cops would be charged with murder.
Or course, that prick deserved it...
But in America you cannot execute people on the spot. Completely undermines our judicial system. Why? Cause it's a slippery slope.
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legally, if he put his hands up to surrender and was executed, those cops would be charged with murder.
Or course, that prick deserved it...
But in America you cannot execute people on the spot. Completely undermines our judicial system. Why? Cause it's a slippery slope.
The report I heard, right after it happened, was that he held only one hand up, the cops told him to show the other one and a cop noticed he had a gun in it as the reason he wasn't showing it, so they opened fire and one piece of trash is dead. Saves the taxpayers a boat load of money and justice was done. Next topic...
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and began firing when they saw a gun in his hand.
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legally, if he put his hands up to surrender and was executed, those cops would be charged with murder.
Or course, that prick deserved it...
But in America you cannot execute people on the spot. Completely undermines our judicial system. Why? Cause it's a slippery slope.
Well technically you are correct.
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The glocks that the cops use should be revoked. Those guns allow the cops to be trigger friendly consider the fact that they can hold 31 rounds per magazine. Most NYPD cops use these glocks and does anyone remember Ahmado Dialo? Look him up.
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ah who cares he killed a cop and deserved it I think so would it have been better if they had shot him twice in the head? It would be the same either way dead is dead no matter how many times they shot him
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Williams, 39, was shot eight times—one bullet fired at close range behind the deputy’s right ear and another in his right temple, according to autopsy results released on Saturday by the sheriff’s office.
I'm trying to feel sorry for the perp, but cannot.
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The glocks that the cops use should be revoked. Those guns allow the cops to be trigger friendly consider the fact that they can hold 31 rounds per magazine. Most NYPD cops use these glocks and does anyone remember Ahmado Dialo? Look him up.
Amadou Diallo is nothing like this situation. Diallo was unarmed, committed no crime, and was shot in front of his front door by plain clothes officers. I believe was shot 41 times (or something like that). Now THAT was an execution.
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The glocks that the cops use should be revoked. Those guns allow the cops to be trigger friendly consider the fact that they can hold 31 rounds per magazine. Most NYPD cops use these glocks and does anyone remember Ahmado Dialo? Look him up.
most cops carry glocks, with the LEO mags that hold 15 for the 9mm, 13 for the .40 cal and the .45.
Most cops do not use the 31-round stick, as they are obnoxiously impractical and make it very hard to unholster the weapon.
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Amadou Diallo is nothing like this situation. Diallo was unarmed, committed no crime, and was shot in front of his front door by plain clothes officers. I believe was shot 41 times (or something like that). Now THAT was an execution.
I was using him as an example of police being trigger friendly. Is there a reason to shoot an unarmed man 40+ times when he posed absolutely no threat.
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I'm trying to feel sorry for the perp, but cannot.
I could care less about the perp - it's the integrity of the law that I worry about.
Today they kill a guy they know killed their man.
Tomorrow, who knows, they kill a guy they know killed their man, and maybe the guy who was with him.
Next week, maybe they cap a guy who beat a guy half to death.
Next month, hey, maybe a less violent guy.
You see where i'm going with this - they can't execute a guy they know is 100% guilty. Because people (cops) make mistakes. On the 1 in a million chance there happened to be a homeless guy with dreads who was sleeping in those woods, and he was groggy and didn't understand the police and happened to have a legally concealed weapon with him.
The point is, you can't cap the cop killer. The law separates police from legislative/punishment functions, for very good reason.
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I was using him as an example of police being trigger friendly. Is there a reason to shoot an unarmed man 40+ times when he posed absolutely no threat.
None. They rushed him and allegedly identified themselves as cops. The poor guy probably thought he was about to be mugged. When he tried to hand them his wallet one of the officers yelled "gun!" and they opened fire. Tragic case. I followed that case. It was an execution.
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I could care less about the perp - it's the integrity of the law that I worry about.
Today they kill a guy they know killed their man.
Tomorrow, who knows, they kill a guy they know killed their man, and maybe the guy who was with him.
Next week, maybe they cap a guy who beat a guy half to death.
Next month, hey, maybe a less violent guy.
You see where i'm going with this - they can't execute a guy they know is 100% guilty. Because people (cops) make mistakes. On the 1 in a million chance there happened to be a homeless guy with dreads who was sleeping in those woods, and he was groggy and didn't understand the police and happened to have a legally concealed weapon with him.
The point is, you can't cap the cop killer. The law separates police from legislative/punishment functions, for very good reason.
I don't believe the cops should be vigilantes either. I don't have an opinion about whether there was an appropriate use of force, because I don't know what happened. I'm only saying I cannot feel sorry for a guy who executed a cop.
If the cops used excessive force, they should be punished.
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This is why:
Friend Says 2 Officers Shocked Man For Minute
POSTED: 10:37 am EDT October 1, 2006
UPDATED: 12:24 pm EDT October 2, 2006
MADISON TOWNSHIP, Ohio -- Madison Township police in Lake County suspended their use of Taser guns after a man died Friday.
Joseph Kinney, 36, died after officers shocked him with Taser guns several times, police said.
Police were called after receiving reports that Kinney was causing a disturbance and was allegedly on drugs. He had a criminal history in the township, police said.
When officers approached, police said Kinney fought the officers even after being shocked by the Taser gun.
Officials said Kinney continued to struggle until he became unresponsive. He was pronounced dead at Geneva Memorial Hospital at about 10 p.m.
Kinney's friend said two officers shocked him for more than a minute.
"When the guy's on the ground, you could have cuffed him. They could have used pepper spray. They could have done a number of things, but to use these lethal weapons in a manner like that," said Matthew Webb.
He said the officers should be suspended and investigated.
The autopsy is done but the cause of death is pending on the toxicology report.
Police officers were given Taser guns less than a month ago. The assistant police chief said the department has suspended using them until they can be sure they are working properly.
The Lake County Sheriff's Office will investigate the death.
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This is why:
Friend Says 2 Officers Shocked Man For Minute
POSTED: 10:37 am EDT October 1, 2006
UPDATED: 12:24 pm EDT October 2, 2006
MADISON TOWNSHIP, Ohio -- Madison Township police in Lake County suspended their use of Taser guns after a man died Friday.
Joseph Kinney, 36, died after officers shocked him with Taser guns several times, police said.
Police were called after receiving reports that Kinney was causing a disturbance and was allegedly on drugs. He had a criminal history in the township, police said.
When officers approached, police said Kinney fought the officers even after being shocked by the Taser gun.
Officials said Kinney continued to struggle until he became unresponsive. He was pronounced dead at Geneva Memorial Hospital at about 10 p.m.
Kinney's friend said two officers shocked him for more than a minute.
"When the guy's on the ground, you could have cuffed him. They could have used pepper spray. They could have done a number of things, but to use these lethal weapons in a manner like that," said Matthew Webb.
He said the officers should be suspended and investigated.
The autopsy is done but the cause of death is pending on the toxicology report.
Police officers were given Taser guns less than a month ago. The assistant police chief said the department has suspended using them until they can be sure they are working properly.
The Lake County Sheriff's Office will investigate the death.
And what's the problem here?
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And what's the problem here?
A man was tazered for a minute straight and died.
This week we had a man shot 68 times, and a man tazered to death.
Isolated, these fall under the 'shit happens' clause.
But if every week was like this, would you feel comfortable? Worse yet, if the trend continues, and it's 4 the next week, 6 the next week...
Point is, it's excessive. A man's heart cannot take 60+ seconds of tazer action. SHOuld have shot him 68 times. Would have been more humane.
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MIAMI - A fugitive gunman accused of killing a Florida sheriff’s deputy was shot 68 times by SWAT team officers who found him hiding in the woods, according to autopsy results.
Police fired 110 shots at Angilo Freeland, 27, the target of a massive manhunt in central Florida following the shooting death of Polk County Sheriff’s Deputy Matt Williams Thursday.
“That’s all the bullets we had, or we would have shot him more,” Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd told the Orlando Sentinel newspaper.
Judd said Williams was “executed” after Freeland was pulled over in a routine traffic stop on Thursday. Another deputy was wounded and a police dog killed.
Williams, 39, was shot eight times—one bullet fired at close range behind the deputy’s right ear and another in his right temple, according to autopsy results released on Saturday by the sheriff’s office.
Sheriff’s officials said SWAT team members found Freeland on Friday hiding under a fallen oak tree in a wooded area near where the deputies were shot, and began firing when they saw a gun in his hand.
Now I can uderstand how they are angry because a fellow officer was killed. But Police are trained to shoot to stop the action not shoot to kill. The Sherriffs comments just worried me about the type of world we are heading into.
heyyy for once the law and juitice went hand in hand....
toxic approves! 8)
ya killsome...no if and or buts...you die...possibly in the same manner...
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As soon as I heard about this story, I was like "yep, he is dead!" ;D
Man..... people need to stop f*cking around with cops nowadays man. They already get sh*tted on by everybody man.....the judicial system, civilians, their captains, city...etc,etc.
Last thing they need is to get shot at, let alone killed over a traffic stop. ;)
..and you just can't shoot a man's dog. c'mon man.
funny thing was that hog nancy grace was like "can anybody explain to me why he shot the dog?" LMFAO....oh no he MUST to die now....HE SHOT THE DAMN DOG MAN! ;D
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true, but what's the difference between gunning down a cop and gunning down a 60-year old unarmed mail lady? Both are serving our needs. Would we execute a guy who killed the maillady?
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true, but what's the difference between gunning down a cop and gunning down a 60-year old unarmed mail lady? Both are serving our needs. Would we execute a guy who killed the maillady?
YES...you kill a woman..u r dead....asap...
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true, but what's the difference between gunning down a cop and gunning down a 60-year old unarmed mail lady? Both are serving our needs. Would we execute a guy who killed the maillady?
I don't think the cops would, but that mail ladies relatives might.
It's not good or bad, but these cops are like a family to each other, so they want to get even just like everybody else would. Sad part is they might only get suspended or put on admin duty for awhile....meanwhile a relative with the same eye for and eye approach will get 25-life or something. ;D
Sucks....I just try NOT to shoot at cops to decrease the odds of me getting 68 different tattoos in seconds. LOL ;D
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i wanna be clear, i'm not defending the POS who fired at cops. He belongs in a pine box.
But the manner in which they shot him 'until they were out of bullets', not 'until he was no longer a threat', worried me.
Then, today's news of a guy getting tazered to his death. How much of a threat doese a man on the ground pissing himself present, after 30 second of being tazered? Why is the add'l 30+ seconds necessary? lol...
Yes, the man deserved to die for shooting a cop. Did this guy deseve to die for being a drug addict? I just don't want to see a world where cops are routinely kicking the shit out of ppl on the curb for speeding, ya know? slippery slope and all...
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A man was tazered for a minute straight and died.
This week we had a man shot 68 times, and a man tazered to death.
Isolated, these fall under the 'shit happens' clause.
But if every week was like this, would you feel comfortable? Worse yet, if the trend continues, and it's 4 the next week, 6 the next week...
Point is, it's excessive. A man's heart cannot take 60+ seconds of tazer action. SHOuld have shot him 68 times. Would have been more humane.
How do you know it was excessive? Maybe you have more information about both situations, but I haven't read enough to conclude one way or the other whether or not there was an appropriate use of force. Maybe the use of force guidelines permit 60+ seconds of tazer action?
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How do you know it was excessive? Maybe you have more information about both situations, but I haven't read enough to conclude one way or the other whether or not there was an appropriate use of force. Maybe the use of force guidelines permit 60+ seconds of tazer action?
I'm just pointing it out. It sounds excessive to me. I guess we'll see if these 2 deaths are isolated, or if this trend catches on.
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I'm just pointing it out. It sounds excessive to me. I guess we'll see if these 2 deaths are isolated, or if this trend catches on.
What trend? If the use of force was justified, then I hope that trend continues. If it wasn't, the officers need to be punished.
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What trend? If the use of force was justified, then I hope that trend continues. If it wasn't, the officers need to be punished.
One unarmed man being killed by Tazer is enough of a trend for me.
They didn't hit his legs, they didn't mace him. They sent thousand of volts into his body for 60+ seconds until he stopped breathing, then they tried to resucitate his ass and could not.
That's piss-poor police work. And if you say it's okay once, then you can never say a word when this particular officer happens to electrocute 50 people in the next year. See what I mean?
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One unarmed man being killed by Tazer is enough of a trend for me.
They didn't hit his legs, they didn't mace him. They sent thousand of volts into his body for 60+ seconds until he stopped breathing, then they tried to resucitate his ass and could not.
That's piss-poor police work. And if you say it's okay once, then you can never say a word when this particular officer happens to electrocute 50 people in the next year. See what I mean?
No. If the guy was a threat and the use of force guidelines allowed the officers to taser him, and they followed those guidelines, then that's okay with me. Officers don't have to mace a guy if they believe a taser is more appropriate. I don't have enough information. I'll wait for more facts to come out before I say it was "piss-poor police work."
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I'm not calling for an investigation or anything - i'm just hoping that people will take notice and follow the topic. Since police are able to self-investigate, report their own crime scenes, etc, it's very easy to skew facts.
The Taser training manual says that 1.5 seconds is a standard 'hit' and that anything beyond 5 straight seconds is pushing it.
60+ straight seconds of shocking a man? holy shit...
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I'm not calling for an investigation or anything - i'm just hoping that people will take notice and follow the topic. Since police are able to self-investigate, report their own crime scenes, etc, it's very easy to skew facts.
The Taser training manual says that 1.5 seconds is a standard 'hit' and that anything beyond 5 straight seconds is pushing it.
60+ straight seconds of shocking a man? holy shit...
You don't have to call for an investigation, because there will automatically be one. I'll be jumping up and down too if it turns out there was excessive force. I'm a big time supporter of law enforcement, but I support weeding out bad apples just as much as I support the overwhelming majority of good law enforcement officers.
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You don't have to call for an investigation, because there will automatically be one. I'll be jumping up and down too if it turns out there was excessive force. I'm a big time supporter of law enforcement, but I support weeding out bad apples just as much as I support the overwhelming majority of good law enforcement officers.
So we agree on that.
Two other points of contention:
1) Bella Donna is one hot skank.
2) 911 was an inside job.
Agree or disagree?
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So we agree on that.
Two other points of contention:
1) Bella Donna is one hot skank.
2) 911 was an inside job.
Agree or disagree?
lol. ;D
1) No.
2) No.
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A man was tazered for a minute straight and died.
Where did you hear that? The story doesn't say this.
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where did the other 42 bullets go?
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into the great wide open
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Hey you want that vote thread?
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sure@@
Politics & War
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hey bad guys die, tough shit. kill em all. If i were to shot someone i would shot to kill. Cops should be able to do the same. So he got shot 68 times. only a couple would have hurt!
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Point is, once the police have permission to empty all of their guns into bad guys, we have a pretty big problem. Wouldn't you agree?
Point I get is don't kill a cop. If you do. Get to the FBI ASAP with a laywer.
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I agree the guy should face the death penalty, and I'm in no way defending his actions.
And maybe they were justified in shooting until he was no longer a threat.
Just sounds like they fired rounds after the man was dead, after he no longer posed a threat. If he dropped the gun after being hit once, they are legally no longer allowed to shoot.
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Maybe it took 68 shots to kill him?
ROFL
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There was a man around here that was arrested at a hockey game for an open liquor charge. The report said one police officer took him into an interrogation room and did not turn on any surveillance cameras or anything. Police officers here are suppose to turn on a camera and have another officer present when in a room with a suspect. Anywaysthe man was shot in the back of the head. The policemans argument was that the man had him from behind in a choke hold and told him to take his last breathe. Now how does someone get shot in the back of the head when he has another person in a choke hold?
The problem is when a trigger happy cop does something bad, he gets reviewed by fellow officers...
Another story, my grandfather was being harassed by a cop in our town. The cop would pull him over all the time, sometimes twice a day, never give him a ticket but just harass him a little bit. When my grandfather called the police station to file a complaint they told him to phone head office in Ottawa. He did that and the lady told him they would send someone out to investigate. Next day he gets a knock at the door and its the officer that is harassing him, he says "hi im here to review the cop you have a complaint against." My grandfather said i put in a complain against you. And the cop said " i know and ill review the case fairly." My Grandfather just slammed the door in his face and told him to f*ck off.
I believe most cops now are just kids that used to get picked on in high school and now they are trigger happy cops out for their revenge. I remember when cops used to be 6"4 240pds and you would never want to even think about f*cking with them. Now they hire this skinny little guys, and whenever they feel threatened they shoot.