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Just heard some news on the radio that there's been a shooting at a Hamish school in Pennsylvania with some casualties and at least one fatality. No other details than that
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Just heard some news on the radio that there's been a shooting at a Hamish school in Pennsylvania with some casualties and at least one fatality. No other details than that
Yeah, I am watching that on Foxnews. They don't use electricity, but carry guns? it was a 1 room schoolhouse, many were killed, along with the shooter.
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Just read about that too. It was an Amish school in Lancaster. Evidently, the hostage-taker has been killed, but not before he shot up the students...even small children. :'(
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should teachers with concealed weapons permits be allowed to carry on campus? No one would ever know until the moment the teacher saved the day. And if schools aren't going to pony up the money for security, what is the answer to this?
Granted, you can't search every kid every morning, so even with 10 cops to every school, the kid could ice half the class before Officer Playground arrived.
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I am assuming they don't have metal detectors there?
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We just had one here 2 weeks ago in mcgill college. I used to pass by there all the time.
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metal detectors are not a solution for weapons on campus. They're very expensive, require a lot of add'l starff, and slow the flow of 1000+ kids entering a campus to a crawl. It seriously takes 1+ hours to get everyone in.
Plus, the parents bitch.
And, that only works if you have controlled entry points to the school. A brick building with 4 doors. On wide open campuses like you have in many southern states, you can walk onto campus from a million directions. They don't even try metal detectors there.
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metal detectors are not a solution for weapons on campus. They're very expensive, require a lot of add'l starff, and slow the flow of 1000+ kids entering a campus to a crawl. It seriously takes 1+ hours to get everyone in.
Plus, the parents bitch.
And, that only works if you have controlled entry points to the school. A brick building with 4 doors. On wide open campuses like you have in many southern states, you can walk onto campus from a million directions. They don't even try metal detectors there.
I meant cuz it was an amish school.
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Magnet walls are the solution!
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I wonder if the shooter was a student or not.
The world is a seriously fucked up place if you can't even go to school without the risk of being shot to death.
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I wonder if the shooter was a student or not.
The world is a seriously fucked up place if you can't even go to school without the risk of being shot to death.
Hey blame the pirates for inventing the guns.
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Maybe we just need nude schools, that way no one can hide weapons.
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It's a conspiracy to deture from the elections ::)!!
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Mr I,
Are you expecting the Bush admin to drop any big surprises on us this year?
Also, did you find the 2004 bin laden tape, in which he endorsed John Kerry, released 2 days before the 2004 election, to be a little odd?
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It's a conspiracy to deture from the elections ::)!!
I'm not claiming there is any conspiracy going on.
I do believe you'll hear new calls for gun control shortly.
The less guns out there when people realize 911 was an inside job, the better, right?
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And I will say that it's odd that the last 2 shootings have been crazy older people who shoot kids, not kids shooting kids.
Today's was a crazy truck driver. Last one was a loon who mailed a suicide note before attacking girls at a high school.
The reaction in the media is something to watch. If the talking debate points in the next few days are "Should we get guns out of the hands of Americans?", you know something is up. If the focus is, "what can we do to make schools safer", then it looks much less suspicious.
Despite the fact that I know Bush had prior knowledge of 911, I don't believe everything is a conspiracy. But the way many nat'l tragedies are spun, you can sometimes see how the govt agendas are served.
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In both cases, "he wanted to attack young female victims".
disturbing trend there.
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3 girls dead and 7 injured so far.
Live press conference http://www.whptv.com//mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=53653
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And I will say that it's odd that the last 2 shootings have been crazy older people who shoot kids, not kids shooting kids.
Today's was a crazy truck driver. Last one was a loon who mailed a suicide note before attacking girls at a high school.
The reaction in the media is something to watch. If the talking debate points in the next few days are "Should we get guns out of the hands of Americans?", you know something is up. If the focus is, "what can we do to make schools safer", then it looks much less suspicious.
Despite the fact that I know Bush had prior knowledge of 911, I don't believe everything is a conspiracy. But the way many nat'l tragedies are spun, you can sometimes see how the govt agendas are served.
Come on man, how the hell can you see a conspiracy in a sad event like this?
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Amish people are good bowlers :)
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Come on man, how the hell can you see a conspiracy in a sad event like this?
I don't.
But IF the govt uses this to their own purposes, it should be noted.
It's a tragedy and I pray it's nothing more than a few crazy people and it ends.
But if politicians try cashing in on it - to win votes or to push legislation, I hope everyone sees through it, that's all. I am sure it's a random thing. But the way they USE this - we should watch.
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I don't.
But IF the govt uses this to their own purposes, it should be noted.
It's a tragedy and I pray it's nothing more than a few crazy people and it ends.
But if politicians try cashing in on it - to win votes or to push legislation, I hope everyone sees through it, that's all. I am sure it's a random thing. But the way they USE this - we should watch.
And I say this, because
After waco and OKC, legislation was pushed for death penalty and to break up militias.
After columbine, monster gun control legislation.
You have to watch them. There are a lot of ppl in washington right now, rubbing their brains together trying to think of ways to capitalize from this, can we agree to that much?
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Charles Roberts did it.
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These white people always shooting up schools then blaming it on video games, movies, or music. Im glad my kids are grown because I would be terrified with things that happen today.
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I don't.
But IF the govt uses this to their own purposes, it should be noted.
It's a tragedy and I pray it's nothing more than a few crazy people and it ends.
But if politicians try cashing in on it - to win votes or to push legislation, I hope everyone sees through it, that's all. I am sure it's a random thing. But the way they USE this - we should watch.
I see, but of course the anti gun politicians will use this event to argue their case for gun control, and then the pro gun politicians and NRA stooges will argue against the antis and six months down the line people will have forgot about the little girls who were killed because they were to busy bickering about guns
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seeing that little school on the news reminded me of the Little House on the Prairie, the last place on earth you'd expect something like this to happen.
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I see, but of course the anti gun politicians will use this event to argue their case for gun control, and then the pro gun politicians and NRA stooges will argue against the antis and six months down the line people will have forgot about the little girls who were killed because they were to busy bickering about guns
Whether you believe in any conspiracies at all - the facts are known - national disasters have been used to further govt agendas:
WAco and OKC were used to end militias in our United States.
Columbine, daytrader, and other shootings were used to restrict gun rights in the US.
911 was used to get the Patriot act passed (more control over citizens, better monitoring), and the War on Terror started.
Now, you can be from either of the 3 camps (US caused it to happen, US let it happen, US had no clue it would happen), but the results are the same - the US govt clearly used these events to push legislation which gave them more control over the citizens. Agreed?
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These kids obviously had bullying and mental problems.
The school systems need to pay more attention to how the kids are treated. These days, nerd gets pushed around, then nerd gets ak and shoots up the entire fuckin school!
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my heart goes out to the parents of these little girls. :'(
5 girls dead in Amish school shooting
Tuesday, October 03, 2006 07:25:54 AM
A fifth child wounded in the shootings at an Amish schoolhouse in Lancaster County died Tuesday in a Delaware hospital, state police said.
The child who had been taken to Christiana Hospital in Delaware died about 1 a.m., state police spokeswoman Linette Quinn said.
The girl was one of seven wounded in the school shooting Monday, the nation's third in less than a week. Three girls, and the gunman, died at the school, in a bucolic area of Lancaster County, authorities said.
Quinn said the two girls who died in hospitals early Tuesday had suffered "very severe injuries, but the other ones are coming along very well."
Another victim, a 7-year-old girl, died about 4:30 a.m. at Penn State Children's Hospital in Hershey, hospital spokeswoman Amy Buehler Stranges said.
"Her parents were with her," Buehler Stranges said. "She was taken off life support and she passed away shortly after."
A 6-year-old girl remained in critical condition and a 13-year-old girl was in serious condition at Penn State Childrens, Buehler Stranges said. She said the names of the children were not being released.
Three girls, ages 8, 10 and 12, were flown to Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, where they were out of surgery but remained in critical condition today, spokeswoman Peggy Flynn said.
Charles Carl Roberts IV, apparently spurred by a grudge two decades old, wrote his wife what authorities described as suicide notes, took guns and ammunition and went to a nearby one-room schoolhouse, where he killed three girls, critically injured seven more, and took his own life, authorities said.
Roberts, a father of three, also had a daughter who died as an infant. State police Commissioner Jeffrey B. Miller told NBC's "Today" said investigators were looking into other events in Roberts' background.
"We believe there are some other things that he was deeply troubled by," Miller said.
Roberts, 32, of Bart, was not Amish, did not appear to be targeting the Amish and apparently chose the school because he was bent on killing young girls as a way of "acting out in revenge for something that happened 20 years ago,"
Two young students were killed at the West Nickel Mines Amish School, along with a female teacher's aide who was slightly older than the students. Seven others, most shot at point-blank range, were taken to hospitals, authorities said.
"This is a horrendous, horrific incident for the Amish community. They're solid citizens in the community. They're good people. They don't deserve ... no one deserves this," Miller said.
According to investigators, Roberts had finished his milk deliveries before dawn Monday, dropped his own children off at their school bus stop, then at about 10 a.m. pulled up at the Amish school, which had about 25 to 30 students ranging in age from six to 13.
Roberts brought with him supplies necessary for a lengthy siege, including three guns, a stun gun, two knives, a pile of wood and a bag with 600 rounds of ammunition, police said. He also had a change of clothing, toilet paper, bolts and hardware and rolls of clear tape.
He released about 15 boys, a pregnant woman and three women with infants, barred the doors with desks and wood and secured them with nails, bolts and flexible plastic ties. He then made the girls line up along a blackboard and tied their feet together.
The teacher and another adult fled to a nearby farmhouse, and authorities were called at about 10:30 a.m. Miller said Roberts apparently called his wife from a cell phone at around 11 a.m., saying he was taking revenge for an old grudge. Miller declined to say what the grudge could have been.
"It seems as though he wanted to attack young, female victims," Miller said.
Moments later, Roberts told a dispatcher he would open fire on the children if police didn't back away from the building. Within seconds, troopers heard gunfire, and found his body when they were able to get inside.
From the suicide notes and telephone calls, it was clear Roberts was "angry at life, he was angry at God," and co-workers said his mood had darkened in recent days, Miller said.
The names and ages of the dead were not immediately released.
Neighbors and others said they saw no indications of trouble like this brewing.
"They're a fine Christian family. It's ironic and it's heartbreaking," said Lois Fiester, a relative of Roberts who was standing outside the family's modest tan ranch house.
In a statement released to reporters, Marie Roberts called her husband "loving, supportive and thoughtful."
"He was an exceptional father," she said. "He took the kids to soccer practice and games, played ball in the backyard and took our 7-year-old daughter shopping. He never said no when I asked him to change a diaper."
"Our hearts are broken, our lives are shattered, and we grieve for the innocence and lives that were lost today," Marie Roberts said in a statement read by family spokesman Dwight LeFever. "Above all, please pray for the families who lost children and please pray too for our family and children."
Although the shootings resembled an attack last week at Platte Canyon High School in Bailey, Colo., where a man took several girls hostage in a school classroom and then killed one of them and himself, Miller said he believed the Pennsylvania attack was not a copycat crime.
"I really believe this was about this individual and what was going on inside his head," he said.
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so sad...and diesel1..i said the exact thing when I heard..now I'm not saying Amish are perfect or anything but damn I would think that would be one of the safest places for kids...ya know I can see why home schooling is on the rise (not that i agree or disagree..sending kids to school outside the home has its pluses and minuses)