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This could be interesting !
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Won't be interesting, Weider and the IFBB will see to it that Mr. O wins. Ronnie will never reign again with those 3 injuries he is done.... ::)
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Ronnie is still threat , look after 2002 he came back and set a new standard , Ronnie is still Ronnie.
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Is Ronnie actually competing on the Grand Prix this year?
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Is Ronnie actually competing on the Grand Prix this year?
On PBW They said Ronnie is confirmed for the tour and so is Jay.
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should be quite a show between those two
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Let's put it in this way...
I am not sure which factor was more important in Ronnie's defeat, his not perfect conditioning or the problems with the shoulder/lat...
It's up to the judges now, if conditioning was the main issue, then Ronnie can win in Europe. If the real problem was the back, then he won't have a chance this year.
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Ronnie is still threat , look after 2002 he came back and set a new standard , Ronnie is still Ronnie.
NO! This is a major fallacy that almost everyone has fallen into.
Ronnie did not set a new standard in 2003. He did NOT put on 40lbs of muscle between the 2002 and 2003 Mr. Olympias. Ronnie was 275lbs and in the shape of his life 18days out of the 2002 mr. olympia. He was in superior condition to the 2003O WITHOUT the gut. 2002 was the new standard. Now is a completely different challenge for Ronnie. He has several injuries and needs a lot more than simply fixing his contest prep to regain the crown
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What the....Ronnie's still the best! Lok at Jay's arms and quads in comparison to Ronnie as well as Ronnie's thickness...came in off yet the mass he holds is far superior, esp at this tier of Pro Bb.
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If Manion has a clue...he'll make sure the judges pick Ronnie over Jay in some of the events. It's good business for the IFBB and the O if Ronnie decides to comeback in 2007. Anyway...he made sure his son's athletes did well. ;)
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Ronnie SHOULD win all 3.
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Ronnie SHOULD win all 3.
He should but I doubt it will happen.
In that case Jay would make history as the Mr.O. who lost more times during his reigning year. I doubt the IFBB hierarchies want this.
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Doubt he will be there.Interesting if he is.Milos said he might be competing now that is news.
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Ronnie is gonna back out, my friends.
You will not see him in Euro :(
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Ronnie is gonna back out, my friends.
You will not see him in Euro :(
People of his entourage said he's gonna compete in Europe and looking fwd to it.
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Word.
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I saw him at mortons on sunday night with melvin before I flew out. I think one BIG thing people are forgetting is that the O was done over 2 days. That is the first time in 10 years these guys have had to prepare for a show over 2 nights. I think that messed some people up. I was at the night show on friday for prejudging. I didn't go to the night show on saturday. From the pictures, I think he looked better on friday night.
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He thinks the judges will give him the shaft? All he has to do is drop a few pounds of water and he will be unstoppable.
nope. i doubt it.
he seems to be going downhill fast.
between his injuries and his conditioning getting worse and worse the past 2 years.
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I bet Ronnie will win this weekend, any takers?
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I bet Ronnie will win this weekend, any takers?
Yes.
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Ronnie is gonna back out, my friends.
You will not see him in Euro :(
Are you putting another $100 on this ?
The Beef
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From various sources, Ronnie is going to prepare and be ready for the rematch this weekend in three shows in Europe vs. Jay Cutler. Jay is intent on beating him again and again and again. Will Ronnie let that happen? I don't think so.
It will be interesting that these European shows have just become a huge draw for many out there, seeing the rematch of Ronnie vs. Jay.
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The real problem for me is Ronnie's obvoius torn back. I dont think that can be fixed in a week. If the european judges gives undue attention to that, then ronnie could be beaten again in the european shows. Ronnie can change his conditioning in a week, and present a package near his 2003 Mr O condition. If ronnie's loss was purely based on condition other than the obvious muscle tear, then the european show is no show, Ronnie will beat Jay in all three
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From various sources, Ronnie is going to prepare and be ready for the rematch this weekend in three shows in Europe vs. Jay Cutler. Jay is intent on beating him again and again and again. Will Ronnie let that happen? I don't think so.
It will be interesting that these European shows have just become a huge draw for many out there, seeing the rematch of Ronnie vs. Jay.
Unbelievably exciting. Because no one can predict 100% sure!
For me,Ronnie and Jay was almost tie.(OK Jay was little bit ahead)
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I dont think anyone disputes the fact that Ronnie was off. He was off, holding some water, and not near his previous outing. What Jay accomplished the past week end was to beat Ronnie who was off. Next year when the injuries are off, you will see a different ronnie. Remember the package he presented in 2003 after the loss to Big G at the GNC show in 2002. Believe you me, next year will be tight and he will blow everybody out
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I agree that no one on this planet will have the similar physique like Ronnie (mass, separation, maturity) but
Jay Cutler is Mr. Olympia 2006
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What I find interesting is the fact that Jay is even doing these. He never did before....when did he decide to do these shows??
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Off in terms of conditioning. Like I did say in my previous post, the Ronnie coleman we saw in 2006, is definately not the Ronnie of 2003. I am a die hard Ronnie fan, but felt uneasy when I saw the pre-judging pictures on the net. I knew in my heart of heart that Ronnie could lose the contest. I just cant pin point, but something was missing. Sunday Morning I logged in and he had lost it. From the various site and listening to comments and seeing the pictures, he was a better man on saturday evening. Ronnie just allowed the size game to take precedence over his conditioning and he made us pay the price. But remember seven times the righteous falls, seven times he gets back. Ronnie will be back, harder than ever.
Jay had done some shows after the O in europe before
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he's really showing his age now.
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It appears that Ronnie was much better on Saturday night. He even apppeared to have his ripped glutes. However, that back is not the same back that dominated 1998-2005; I could make a case for 1997 but he was never directly compared to Doz (oversight... ;D). Regardless, I have said again and again, Ronnie at 90 percent is better than anyone. He will crush Jay in a fair show if he comes in at this condition. I still don't feel Jay knocked him out, so to speak. I think the IFBB wanted some new blood, but instead of witty they monotonic blather. ::) ::) At Doz was kinda of funny in his Brit way.
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From various sources, Ronnie is going to prepare and be ready for the rematch this weekend in three shows in Europe vs. Jay Cutler. Jay is intent on beating him again and again and again. Will Ronnie let that happen? I don't think so.
It will be interesting that these European shows have just become a huge draw for many out there, seeing the rematch of Ronnie vs. Jay.
Will the IFBB let them do it? 10-12 less H2O and Ronnie goes 3-0 vs Jay but we know that is going to happen. Let us see if the jacka$$es make the right call. They'd be setting up the best year to come in bbing in the last 500 yrs.
Jay is about money...so I'm sure he likes the path that leads to the most dollars. He and Ronnie would clean house in 2007 and probably 2008 for the best 2 of 3.
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What the....Ronnie's still the best! Lok at Jay's arms and quads in comparison to Ronnie as well as Ronnie's thickness...came in off yet the mass he holds is far superior, esp at this tier of Pro Bb.
hahah you make me laugh...ronnie was not that big at this years olympia dude...just see this..ronnie looked like he had no lats,his back was looking shitty as hell,his left leg was shitty as hell..his left leg had no visible cuts in them and his left triceps had nothing in them..no mass or cuts in them..most of his mass that he gained was in his waist..he looked like a pile of poop to me
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I saw him at mortons on sunday night with melvin before I flew out. I think one BIG thing people are forgetting is that the O was done over 2 days. That is the first time in 10 years these guys have had to prepare for a show over 2 nights. I think that messed some people up. I was at the night show on friday for prejudging. I didn't go to the night show on saturday. From the pictures, I think he looked better on friday night.
messed him up? He had a year to prepare. He is 8 time Mr. O .... Nothing messed him up. He had a off night. The pressure to perform in front of his idol .. Lee Haney and too make history. I commend him on the attempt. I have said it before the olympia and I will say it again. Ronnie is beatable. At this point it is not what happened but how he handles it.
Warning: the lion will be back - TRUE STORY..
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You know what sucks.....Jay will probably sweep this weekend ....do it legitimately...and all the Ronnie-clones will say it's a fix........ ::)
NO matter what Jay does from here out, it's going to be a conspiracy against Sore-Loser Ron......
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You know what sucks.....Jay will probably sweep this weekend ....do it legitimately...and all the Ronnie-clones will say it's a fix........ ::)
NO matter what Jay does from here out, it's going to be a conspiracy against Sore-Loser Ron......
it will all be forgotten in a few yrs just like ronnie!
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Won't be interesting, Weider and the IFBB will see to it that Mr. O wins. Ronnie will never reign again with those 3 injuries he is done.... ::)
WHAT THREE INJURIES??? THERE ARE NO INJURIES!!!
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WHAT THREE INJURIES??? THERE ARE NO INJURIES!!!
I guess his left lat just sponteneously shrivelled up
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mark my words!!!!
ronnie will try to blow-up and over-power jay, which is a contributing factor to his olympia loss. jay will be 3 pounds lighter and even more ripped than the o. jay will win all three events and ronnie will come home more depressed than he already is.
;D
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i was previously undefeated in internet BBing gambling until i ran into karma keith.
only a fool would bet against him.
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From various sources, Ronnie is going to prepare and be ready for the rematch this weekend in three shows in Europe vs. Jay Cutler. Jay is intent on beating him again and again and again. Will Ronnie let that happen? I don't think so.
It will be interesting that these European shows have just become a huge draw for many out there, seeing the rematch of Ronnie vs. Jay.
This is the best thing for the IFBB in years.
They should knock the reigning Mr O off more often
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This is the best thing for the IFBB in years.
They should knock the reigning Mr O off more often
I have to agree.....look how many people thought that Coleman was a shoe-in no matter how he looked. THis is the most exciting it has been since Dorian retired and the crown was up for grabs.......
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It will go "1 to 1" thus setting-up a climatic 3rd show 8)
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For those who are talking about next year already... Unless Ronnie has surgery to fix the back and tri, they will continue to stand out (or stand out worse). I doubt Ron will take the time to have these fixed surgically.
I am being realistic here. These tears don't just go away - they are either fixed or heal and look funny. So regardless of future condition, there may be muscularity and symmetry problems in the future.
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hahah you make me laugh...ronnie was not that big at this years olympia dude...just see this..ronnie looked like he had no lats,his back was looking shitty as hell,his left leg was shitty as hell..his left leg had no visible cuts in them and his left triceps had nothing in them..no mass or cuts in them..most of his mass that he gained was in his waist..he looked like a pile of poop to me
LOL, that's exactly my point kid...Ronnie even with all those weaknesses still destroyed Gutler. How can someone with little arms and quads (compared to Ronnie) and blocky waist like fridge ever win Mr O and beat the champ? Once you stop stroking Jay's balls, you'll realise he's already happily with Kerry... ;D
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LOL, that's exactly my point kid...Ronnie even with all those weaknesses still destroyed Gutler. How can someone with little arms and quads (compared to Ronnie) and blocky waist like fridge ever win Mr O and beat the champ? Once you stop stroking Jay's balls, you'll realise he's already happily with Kerry... ;D
Jays width and condition carried him to victory. I think he is 3-4 inches shorter than Coleman and yet Jay is wider.
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How can someone with little arms and quads (compared to Ronnie) and blocky waist like fridge ever win Mr O and beat the champ?
That is a question for me too not only that subpar arms, hunched back, blocky waist, short legs and overall stocky appearence.
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That is a question for me too not only that subpar arms, hunched back, blocky waist, short legs and overall stocky appearence.
You forgot:
Worse conditioning.
Silicon delts.
Muscles that dont move when he flex them ( things that make you go hmmm).
Mismatched bi's,quads and lats.
Less asthetic shape.
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LOL, that's exactly my point kid...Ronnie even with all those weaknesses still destroyed Gutler. How can someone with little arms and quads (compared to Ronnie) and blocky waist like fridge ever win Mr O and beat the champ? Once you stop stroking Jay's balls, you'll realise he's already happily with Kerry... ;D
Little arms and quads? Jay's quads were much larger and better than that, they had DETAIL. Ronnie's quads have NO DETAIL. Jay's arms are way bigger than Ronnie's, additionally Jay has triceps. Ronnie only has detailed biceps. NO TRICEPS. Face it old timer, Ronnie is through.
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For those who are talking about next year already... Unless Ronnie has surgery to fix the back and tri, they will continue to stand out (or stand out worse). I doubt Ron will take the time to have these fixed surgically.
I am being realistic here. These tears don't just go away - they are either fixed or heal and look funny. So regardless of future condition, there may be muscularity and symmetry problems in the future.
Is this something that can be fixed by surgery? On PBW Chad chalked the whole thing up to arthritis in Ronnie's shoulder.
The Beef
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You forgot:
Muscles that dont move when he flex them ( things that make you go hmmm).
I have really forgot to mention as its god damn so obvious.
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Jay's arms are way bigger than Ronnie's, additionally
You are a cretin, there is no one who would argue it.
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You are a cretin, there is no one who would argue it.
jay looks like a garden gnome in that pic . . . ahh, the joys of politics.
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From various sources, Ronnie is going to prepare and be ready for the rematch this weekend in three shows in Europe vs. Jay Cutler. Jay is intent on beating him again and again and again. Will Ronnie let that happen? I don't think so.
It will be interesting that these European shows have just become a huge draw for many out there, seeing the rematch of Ronnie vs. Jay.
See this just goes to show that Ronnie is a fighter and will not back down after his loss.. Remember he lost to Gunter, and came back and kicked everyone's ass! Don't count King Ron out just yet!...
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I've no doubt ronnie will be better than jay for atleast 2 of the comps coming up but whether he gets the win.. who knows.
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You are a cretin, there is no one who would argue it.
IMO Dex, Vic, and Ronnie all have a better side chest then Jay, the only pose jay owns is the side tri..
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IMO Dex, Vic, and Ronnie all have a better side chest then Jay, the only pose jay owns is the side tri..
don't forget the "melting abs" shot . . .
and how would you describe his frankenstein's monster-like assemblage of limbs from various bodies? One leg from Platz, the other from Zane, one arm from Kamali, the other from gunther.
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Is this something that can be fixed by surgery? On PBW Chad chalked the whole thing up to arthritis in Ronnie's shoulder.
The Beef
Chad's never gone on PBW. Oops.
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IMO Dex, Vic, and Ronnie all have a better side chest then Jay, the only pose jay owns is the side tri..
jay owns ronnie colemen from head to toe, its called being mr olympia! ;)
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Little arms and quads? Jay's quads were much larger and better than that, they had DETAIL. Ronnie's quads have NO DETAIL. Jay's arms are way bigger than Ronnie's, additionally Jay has triceps. Ronnie only has detailed biceps. NO TRICEPS. Face it old timer, Ronnie is through.
true.
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Ronnie is gonna back out, my friends.
You will not see him in Euro :(
you said he would win the o and look what happened.
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jay owns ronnie colemen from head to toe, its called being mr olympia! ;)
Oh thats why it took 6 years to beat him? ::) Yeh sure jay owns ronnie ::) If Ronnie was white im sure you would be singing a different tune..
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Oh thats why it took 6 years to beat him? ::) Yeh sure jay owns ronnie ::) If Ronnie was white im sure you would be singing a different tune..
If Jay was black I reckon you would aswell..
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Little arms and quads? Jay's quads were much larger and better than that, they had DETAIL. Ronnie's quads have NO DETAIL. Jay's arms are way bigger than Ronnie's, additionally Jay has triceps. Ronnie only has detailed biceps. NO TRICEPS. Face it old timer, Ronnie is through.
Did you really just write that Jay's arms are way bigger then ronnie's???What are you looking at...Ronnie's triceps suck...But his overall arm makes jays look tiny...And with all the synthol or synthol related products that Jay is pumping in his arms, they look softer then a babies ass...
If you were to take Jay's body and black out everything except his arms, most people would think that his arms belong on someone that was over 8% bodyfat...No detail and no veins what so ever...And one of his arms are over 2 inches smaller then the other...
I like Jay---but his arms are not good...
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Lookin dry and vascular! How the hell did Jay beat him >:(
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2006/profi_grand_prix_2006_graz/PA064244.JPG)
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If Jay was black I reckon you would aswell..
can't play that card on me im half white ;) If i honestly thought Jay had a better physique then Ronnie. Then i would say so, but obviously he doesn't and the judges rewarded Ronnie for 8 straight years making him Mr O.. So that in itself makes Ronnie a better bber then Jay
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can't play that card on me im half white ;) If i honestly thought Jay had a better physique then Ronnie. Then i would say so, but obviously he doesn't and the judges rewarded Ronnie for 8 straight years making him Mr O.. So that in itself makes Ronnie a better bber then Jay
If he was the better bodybuilder he wouldv'e won Mr O, he came second so Jay is the better bodybuilder. The fact that Ronnie won the title 8 times makes him more successful than Jay.
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Lookin dry and vascular! How the hell did Jay beat him >:(
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2006/profi_grand_prix_2006_graz/PA064244.JPG)
Ronnie's arms are dry and vascular its everything else that wasn't . somethimes Ronnie will have striated glutes and still carry excess water , he needs to be dry all over to make an impact.
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I'm rootin' for Ronnie!
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Can't you just imagine how Ronnie feels now? It's like he's trying to crank the car to get to work, but it just won't crank... :'(
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Can't you just imagine how Ronnie feels now? It's like he's trying to crank the car to get to work, but it just won't crank... :'(
I'm very interested in the physchology of going from an seeminly unstopable winner to struggling and being relegated to second , Ronnie in all likelyhood will become more religious seeing this as some test of his faith .
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I'm very interested in the physchology of going from an seeminly unstopable winner to struggling and being relegated to second , Ronnie in all likelyhood will become more religious seeing this as some test of his faith .
I think Ronnie has been humbled and will train smarter than ever for the 2007 ASC.
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Lookin dry and vascular! How the hell did Jay beat him >:(
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2006/profi_grand_prix_2006_graz/PA064244.JPG)
I think it was a conspiracy!
Clearly if they had an autograph signing round in prejudging, ronnie would have prevailed!
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Little arms and quads? Jay's quads were much larger and better than that, they had DETAIL. Ronnie's quads have NO DETAIL. Jay's arms are way bigger than Ronnie's, additionally Jay has triceps. Ronnie only has detailed biceps. NO TRICEPS. Face it old timer, Ronnie is through.
HAHAHAHA, LMAO@Jay having bigger arms and quads. That's like saying Pee Wee Herman is biger than Federov...sonny boy. Plus, Jay waist is so wide from the front that he makes Ronnie look like Brian Buchanon, besides his small arms and quads next to Ronnie....Jay = fridge, no taper, better version of Tamali. This Mr O was a gift from IFBB to him.
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HAHAHAHA, LMAO@Jay having bigger arms and quads. That's like saying Pee Wee Herman is biger than Federov...sonny boy. Plus, Jay waist is so wide from the front that he makes Ronnie look like Brian Buchanon, besides his small arms and quads next to Ronnie....Jay = fridge, no taper, better version of Tamali. This Mr O was a gift from IFBB to him.
ok ronnie! sleep well you have 2 more shows to lose! ;)
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ok ronnie! sleep well you have 2 more shows to lose! ;)
Hahaha, ok "slayer"...remember to get off Jay's nuts soon! At lwast they r tinier than his waist! ;D
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One thing that I have learned from seeing tons of Ronnie's pics over the years is that you cannot judge his conditioning based on the way his arms look in a cutoff shirt; they pretty much always look dry and extremely vascular, even in the offseason, often giving the impression that he is in better shape than he actually is.
I noticed same. His conditioning or lackoff appears elsewhere.