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Title: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: CQ on October 05, 2006, 03:34:17 AM
According to Sami Al-Haddad, who placed 3rd at the NOC, Rodney has switched. See post here (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=99739.msg1428995#msg1428995)

Nice pick up for the PDI. Solid physique, and a somewhat 'notable' personality.

Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: Wiggs on October 05, 2006, 03:37:54 AM
probably was the best for the guy considering he was black balled for the other things going on in his life.
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: Hedgehog on October 05, 2006, 04:30:19 AM
There is no point for Ronnie Rockel, Troy Alves, Dave Henry and Dex to compete at the Olympia.

Add Jaro Horvath to that list.

That being said, there are plenty of other contests in the IFBB.

If IFBB would let them, Lorimer and Arnold would make the ASC the biggest paying contest IMO.

The Ironman and the SF needs support to get the prize money raised. The Co Pro seems to be doing quite well, will improve til next year I'm sure. Good first year though.


With that being said, if these guys gets shafted at the ASC and spring shows, they seriously should consider jumping.

If there is a federation where classic physiques gets rewarded...

Then, no matter how bad rep the founder of the federation has, sooner rather than later, the classic physiques will crowd there.

The current guys in the PDI... except for Sami and Lee, are very dull.


Fast solution: Offer a couple of guys like Alves, Sami, DH, Rockel, Horvath help.

Help?

At least DeMilia has connections within the industry, and if he can help every bodybuilder that signs up with PDI to increase their legit and legal earnings from bodybuilding, that would be a big incentive to jump IMO.

A few bodybuilders may enjoy gay4pay (Hi Rod!), but I'm sure a lot would jump at the opportunity to not have to do Repetrope and Musclegallery.com(Hello JOJ!) to pay their bills.



YIP
Zack
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on October 05, 2006, 05:35:02 AM
I have to agree.  Rodney is at least an IFBB pro and would be a fair match for Lee Priest.
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: Original Sin on October 05, 2006, 06:41:36 AM
There is no point for Ronnie Rockel, Troy Alves, Dave Henry and Dex to compete at the Olympia.

Add Jaro Horvath to that list.



YIP
Zack

Sure there is, competing on the Olympia stage gives large amounts of exposure.  Exposure leads to endorsement contracts and everybody knows that is where the real money is.  The PDI not so much, even the "Big Gun" Lee Priest doesn't have an endorsement contract anymore.  There might be a few small contracts but nothing like the IFBB Pro tag can offer. 

I don't trust DeMilia one iota, and I feel sorry for those who do.
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: CQ on October 05, 2006, 06:46:02 AM
Sure there is, competing on the Olympia stage gives large amounts of exposure.  Exposure leads to endorsement contracts and everybody knows that is where the real money is.  The PDI not so much, even the "Big Gun" Lee Priest doesn't have an endorsement contract anymore.  There might be a few small contracts but nothing like the IFBB Pro tag can offer. 

I don't trust DeMilia one iota, and I feel sorry for those who do.

I believe that 'Hot Rod' has...errrr....other sources of income than sponsorship.
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: DEFCON on October 05, 2006, 06:50:38 AM
If there is a federation where classic physiques gets rewarded...
Priest is far from a classic physique
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: SWOLETRAIN on October 05, 2006, 06:54:04 AM
I think thats a great idea for Rodney. He'll be a top dog in the PDI. Good move
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: rockyfortune on October 05, 2006, 07:49:59 AM
Yeah..now he can do naked handstands during his routines.
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: Tre on October 05, 2006, 08:28:33 AM

I totally agree about Troy Alves.  The guy has a beautiful physique, but will never be fairly treated at the 'big shows', in my opinion.  I don't know what conversations he's had with Wayne, if any, but that's exactly the type of guy that the PDI should be targeting. 

I also agree with you about Ronnie Rockel, but I don't know how much knowledge the Germans(?) have of the PDI at this time. 

I don't know about Dave Henry, though.  I think he's got a pretty good gig in the IFBB community already and he's someone who's going to be a consistent top-5 placer at the 2nd-tier shows.  At this point, there's no reason for him to jump ship. 

As for Rodney St. Cloud, well, oh well.   ;D  Just kidding...the guy does have a good physique and he's nowhere near the 'freak' category in terms of muscle mass, so the PDI physique standard is right up his alley. 

Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: knny187 on October 05, 2006, 10:50:20 AM
this will be a good move for Hot Rod if it's true
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: 240 is Back on October 05, 2006, 10:58:05 AM
St Cloud will be lucky to earn another $5K in his competitive career in the IFBB.

He'll earn that much at the English Pro, most likely.

Man's got to feed his family.
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: Original Sin on October 05, 2006, 11:01:08 AM
I wonder how long before Kai Greene appears...

Since Wayne did the majority of his advertising in Gay periodicals for the NOC
the British Fauxlympia will more the likely be advertised the same way, which means
many new clients for Rodney.  So yea this is a smart move, until the bottom falls out
or Wayne screws them all.

I wonder how many other IFBB Pro's will see the same advantages?  
Are these the new horizons that Lee saw?  :-\


you think I might be a tad bitter or something  8)
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: CQ on October 05, 2006, 11:05:32 AM
I wonder how long before Kai Greene appears...

Since Wayne did the majority of his advertising in Gay periodicals for the NOC
the British Fauxlympia will more the likely be advertised the same way, which means
many new clients for Rodney.  So yea this is a smart move, until the bottom falls out
or Wayne screws them all.


Pun intended?
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: 240 is Back on October 05, 2006, 11:13:16 AM
I wonder how long before Kai Greene appears...

Since Wayne did the majority of his advertising in Gay periodicals for the NOC
the British Fauxlympia will more the likely be advertised the same way, which means
many new clients for Rodney.  So yea this is a smart move, until the bottom falls out
or Wayne screws them all.

I wonder how many other IFBB Pro's will see the same advantages?  
Are these the new horizons that Lee saw?  :-\

you think I might be a tad bitter or something  8)

Why are ya bitter, anyway?

Guys who would never make a dime of BBing are making money now.
Fans have more shows to go to.

What's the problem?  Grown men taking a calculated risk - just like everything else in life.
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: Original Sin on October 05, 2006, 11:28:49 AM
Why are ya bitter, anyway?

Guys who would never make a dime of BBing are making money now.
Fans have more shows to go to.

What's the problem?  Grown men taking a calculated risk - just like everything else in life.

Simple,
I was all for the PDI in the beginning then I started asking questions about it because I was curious and wished to know more.  Instead of answers I got trashed, bashed, accused of being Bob's Woman etc...

I found no answers only hateful deflections, made me think why and with Vinny and Vince dropping out something is definitely not right in Denmark.  The only PDI voice on here is Onlyme now and he has been less then accurate numerous times.

Honestly if it was anybody else but Wayne I would be pushing for it.  I wouldn't trust Wayne to walk my dog.
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: the shadow on October 05, 2006, 11:31:41 AM
people how on earth do you think you can compare a crappy organisation to the IFBB..people IFBB IS THE REAL THING WHERE YOUR DREAMS CAN COME TRUE...
PDI IS A JOKE.....AHHAHAHAHHAHAHA HAH
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: RHINO290 on October 05, 2006, 12:13:53 PM
Simple,
I was all for the PDI in the beginning then I started asking questions about it because I was curious and wished to know more.  Instead of answers I got trashed, bashed, accused of being Bob's Woman etc...

I found no answers only hateful deflections, made me think why and with Vinny and Vince dropping out something is definitely not right in Denmark.  The only PDI voice on here is Onlyme now and he has been less then accurate numerous times.

Honestly if it was anybody else but Wayne I would be pushing for it.  I wouldn't trust Wayne to walk my dog.

Wait a minute, I have told you time and time again, if you wanted answers to ask me. When you asked, I asnswered.

Come on, that statement is not true. Onlyme is not the only PDI voice, and as far as Wayne is concerned, you don't know him, I have discussed this with you. Your opinion is based on what you have heard, i have given you first hand info about him, and you dismiss it.

Maybe you only want to beilieve what you want, but if want accurate info, I am the source.
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: RHINO290 on October 05, 2006, 12:15:25 PM
Sure there is, competing on the Olympia stage gives large amounts of exposure.  Exposure leads to endorsement contracts and everybody knows that is where the real money is.  The PDI not so much, even the "Big Gun" Lee Priest doesn't have an endorsement contract anymore.  There might be a few small contracts but nothing like the IFBB Pro tag can offer. 

I don't trust DeMilia one iota, and I feel sorry for those who do.

One more incorrect statement. Lee's endorsements are with MD/twinlab. It has nothing to do with the ifbb. ifbb does not financially "endorse" anyone.
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: RHINO290 on October 05, 2006, 12:17:08 PM
I wonder how long before Kai Greene appears...

Since Wayne did the majority of his advertising in Gay periodicals for the NOC
the British Fauxlympia will more the likely be advertised the same way, which means
many new clients for Rodney.  So yea this is a smart move, until the bottom falls out
or Wayne screws them all.

I wonder how many other IFBB Pro's will see the same advantages?  
Are these the new horizons that Lee saw?  :-\


you think I might be a tad bitter or something  8)

Again, uniformed expressions. Fact is there are multiple ifbb pros looking at moving to the pdi......
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: RHINO290 on October 05, 2006, 12:20:25 PM
I wonder how long before Kai Greene appears...

Since Wayne did the majority of his advertising in Gay periodicals for the NOC
the British Fauxlympia will more the likely be advertised the same way, which means
many new clients for Rodney.  So yea this is a smart move, until the bottom falls out
or Wayne screws them all.

I wonder how many other IFBB Pro's will see the same advantages?  
Are these the new horizons that Lee saw?  :-\


you think I might be a tad bitter or something  8)

You know, your statements are making me wonder if you have an agenda......You don't even know wayne, to say he would screw us???? Thats just ridiculous....I don't quite get you.
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: Spicy Shushi on October 05, 2006, 01:15:12 PM
I have to agree.  Rodney is at least an IFBB pro and would be a fair match for Lee Priest.

Match for Lee Priest...ROFLMAO!!!

That's good Vince. You've got one hell of a sense of a humor, brother.
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: Original Sin on October 05, 2006, 01:21:30 PM
Wait a minute, I have told you time and time again, if you wanted answers to ask me. When you asked, I asnswered.

Come on, that statement is not true. Onlyme is not the only PDI voice, and as far as Wayne is concerned, you don't know him, I have discussed this with you. Your opinion is based on what you have heard, i have given you first hand info about him, and you dismiss it.

Maybe you only want to beilieve what you want, but if want accurate info, I am the source.

Many many posts...

Yes you did answer any question I had but a lot of them even you did not have the answer.  But I said Onlyme is the only voice about the PDI because you don't come on here posting new information that turns out to be inaccurate.
When you do post about the PDI it has been confirmed already.  Onlyme jumps the gun trying to get the scoop, besides you've been quiet lately.

Now about Wayne...
Your telling me your interactions with Wayne where as others are telling me the opposite.  So one way or another I have second hand information, so I made up my mind and I don't like what I see.  Many other people see Wayne the exact opposite as you.

Again, uniformed expressions. Fact is there are multiple ifbb pros looking at moving to the pdi......

Now again, Don't think I don't trust you, but other Pros are saying the exact opposite and I don't mean just Shawn or Bob.


Bottom line....
The are many things hidden about the PDI for what ever reason.  No legitimate business would run in the shadows like the PDI is doing.  How can you run a fan based organization by not informing anybody of what is up coming or happening.  Too often the PDI has even contradicted their own press releases.  
As I said before my opinions about the PDI are in no way a reflection on you.

You know, your statements are making me wonder if you have an agenda......You don't even know wayne, to say he would screw us???? Thats just ridiculous....I don't quite get you.

I think we have both known this for quite sometime  :-\

but I have no agenda, it seems if anyone doesn't like what they see with the PDI we are all working for the IFBB.
Well you know for a fact that I am  not.  
Theoretically speaking...I just think all the misinformation, closed door shenanigans mean bad news.
There is no way I would add a company being managed like this to my portfolio.  With the face that the PDI has presented to people not privy to the company, would you honestly add them or recommend them to a client of yours
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: knny187 on October 05, 2006, 05:03:47 PM
Onlyme is the voice of the PDI?

 ???
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: slayer on October 05, 2006, 05:07:08 PM
Onlyme is the voice of the PDI?

 ???
+ 240 until he sees a better business venture!
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: Lee_a_priest on October 05, 2006, 05:58:42 PM
One more incorrect statement. Lee's endorsements are with MD/twinlab. It has nothing to do with the ifbb. ifbb does not financially "endorse" anyone.

NO MORE TWINLAB THEY ARE GONG IN A NEW DIRECTION.
FOCUSING ON THE WEEKEND WARRIOR TYPE NOW.SO IT ENDS .......
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: knny187 on October 05, 2006, 06:04:27 PM
NO MORE TWINLAB THEY ARE GONG IN A NEW DIRECTION.
FOCUSING ON THE WEEKEND WARRIOR TYPE NOW.SO IT ENDS .......

un-f'n-believable


Do you think it had anything to do with the PDI?  Eventhough I'm sure Bob will say so.
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: noworries on October 05, 2006, 07:45:59 PM
Onlyme is the voice of the PDI?

 ???

I completely agree  ???   ???    ??? 
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: Wombat on October 06, 2006, 03:48:08 AM
un-f'n-believable


Do you think it had anything to do with the PDI?  Eventhough I'm sure Bob will say so.

of course it did...Why would you even have to ask...He got suspended just a couple of weeks ago...All of this just didn't happen at the same time for nothing...
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: RHINO290 on October 06, 2006, 05:28:43 AM
Many many posts...

Yes you did answer any question I had but a lot of them even you did not have the answer.  But I said Onlyme is the only voice about the PDI because you don't come on here posting new information that turns out to be inaccurate.
When you do post about the PDI it has been confirmed already.  Onlyme jumps the gun trying to get the scoop, besides you've been quiet lately.

Now about Wayne...
Your telling me your interactions with Wayne where as others are telling me the opposite.  So one way or another I have second hand information, so I made up my mind and I don't like what I see.  Many other people see Wayne the exact opposite as you.

Now again, Don't think I don't trust you, but other Pros are saying the exact opposite and I don't mean just Shawn or Bob.


Bottom line....
The are many things hidden about the PDI for what ever reason.  No legitimate business would run in the shadows like the PDI is doing.  How can you run a fan based organization by not informing anybody of what is up coming or happening.  Too often the PDI has even contradicted their own press releases.  
As I said before my opinions about the PDI are in no way a reflection on you.

I think we have both known this for quite sometime  :-\

but I have no agenda, it seems if anyone doesn't like what they see with the PDI we are all working for the IFBB.
Well you know for a fact that I am  not.  
Theoretically speaking...I just think all the misinformation, closed door shenanigans mean bad news.
There is no way I would add a company being managed like this to my portfolio.  With the face that the PDI has presented to people not privy to the company, would you honestly add them or recommend them to a client of yours


So much of what I read about PDI or much of anything on this board is so uniformed and wrong. Opinions that are not fact based. I apreciate your response as you know that I consider you more than a "fan" to me. I just think that you would take what I tell you as first hand and beilieve. Certain things I did not release becasue I was asked not to. As far as other pros, I don't know who you are talking about, but just because one has pro status, does not mean they know everything. Anyway, you are of coure entitled to your opinion, I just think you should think about who you are listeneing to, and what their agenda is.....

I told you once, I will tell you again, i always told you the truth, no shadows, or secrets. The PDI is just begining, so things are changing. Bottom line? It is good for the sport......

Name one person unhappy with the outcome of the NOC?
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: RHINO290 on October 06, 2006, 05:31:16 AM
Sure there is, competing on the Olympia stage gives large amounts of exposure.  Exposure leads to endorsement contracts and everybody knows that is where the real money is.  The PDI not so much, even the "Big Gun" Lee Priest doesn't have an endorsement contract anymore.  There might be a few small contracts but nothing like the IFBB Pro tag can offer. 

I don't trust DeMilia one iota, and I feel sorry for those who do.

BTW...Your new avatar is soooo sexy. I love it.
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: Dorian 01 on October 06, 2006, 05:33:36 AM
of course it did...Why would you even have to ask...He got suspended just a couple of weeks ago...All of this just didn't happen at the same time for nothing...
Twinlab told Lee they were fine with it earlier this year.
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: Original Sin on October 06, 2006, 06:55:20 AM
So much of what I read about PDI or much of anything on this board is so uniformed and wrong. Opinions that are not fact based. I apreciate your response as you know that I consider you more than a "fan" to me. I just think that you would take what I tell you as first hand and beilieve. Certain things I did not release becasue I was asked not to. As far as other pros, I don't know who you are talking about, but just because one has pro status, does not mean they know everything. Anyway, you are of coure entitled to your opinion, I just think you should think about who you are listeneing to, and what their agenda is.....

I told you once, I will tell you again, i always told you the truth, no shadows, or secrets. The PDI is just begining, so things are changing. Bottom line? It is good for the sport......

Name one person unhappy with the outcome of the NOC?


Very good points, Never really thought of that.  I assumed your opinion was slightly slanted because Wayne gave you the opportunity of a lifetime, I never looked that it might be the reverse.  I never would have thought I could be naive.  I am rather embarrassed now.
I guess I will have to do some more thinking.  :-\

BTW...Your new avatar is soooo sexy. I love it.

I thought you might like it  :-*
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: RHINO290 on October 06, 2006, 07:54:54 AM
Very good points, Never really thought of that.  I assumed your opinion was slightly slanted because Wayne gave you the opportunity of a lifetime, I never looked that it might be the reverse.  I never would have thought I could be naive.  I am rather embarrassed now.
I guess I will have to do some more thinking.  :-\

I thought you might like it  :-*

No, I think you are really smart. Good to question, thanks for the compliment. Just know, if you want to know something, you can ask me, and I will ALWAYS be honest......

Especially to you.
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: BigWhoop on October 06, 2006, 07:57:01 AM
NO MORE TWINLAB THEY ARE GONG IN A NEW DIRECTION.
FOCUSING ON THE WEEKEND WARRIOR TYPE NOW.SO IT ENDS .......
gawd .... twin lab is a bunch of homos
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: Tre on October 06, 2006, 08:18:01 AM
NO MORE TWINLAB THEY ARE GONG IN A NEW DIRECTION.
FOCUSING ON THE WEEKEND WARRIOR TYPE NOW.SO IT ENDS .......

Sorry to hear that, Lee, but change is inevitable.

Any thoughts of downsizing in order to fit their new look?
Title: Re: Rodney St.Cloud gone to PDI?
Post by: Tre on October 06, 2006, 10:07:12 AM

I don't expect large numbers of current IFBB pros to cross over to the PDI.  What I do expect, however, is that the PDI will continue to develop its own talent, both in the U.S. and abroad. 

Even though the prize pools were not especially deep, there were some really good shows on the IFBB men's circuit in 2006.  I'm going to keep repeating that point, because it's key to the discussion...and gets right down to the fact that the existence of the PDI was very good for the IFBB this year.