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Title: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: Marty Champions on October 05, 2006, 07:44:58 AM
as the great jaejonna would say "discuss"

im talking if i spend a long time crushing a bodypart with negatives, heavy weights, and drop sets and no soreness? usually i can get sore id say about 85 percent of the time, but that 15 percent of the time that i dont get sore i feel like i possibly didnt push hard enough to get sore....i dont know but im still the man of course im not stepping down from my king of the world throne anytime soon  :o
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: dorkeroo on October 05, 2006, 07:46:15 AM
as the great jaejonna would say "discuss"

im talking if i spend a long time crushing a bodypart with negatives, heavy weights, and drop sets and no soreness? usually i can get sore id say about 85 percent of the time, but that 15 percent of the time that i dont get sore i feel like i possibly didnt push hard enough to get sore....i dont know but im still the man of course im not stepping down from my king of the world throne anytime soon  :o

Could be overtraining, I have experienced this and heard others say it as well.
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: body88 on October 05, 2006, 07:47:22 AM
Weird you posted this.... I hit legs yeasterday... 5 sets of squats 5 sets of leg presses... Along with detail shit. No soreness to speak off ???
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: Marty Champions on October 05, 2006, 07:49:12 AM
Weird you posted this.... I hit legs yeasterday... 5 sets of squats 5 sets of leg presses... Along with detail shit. No soreness to speak off ???

i know right!!!! over this year alone i have had to progress on the volume and intensity everyfuckin workout! if i dont i just get stale, this means more freakin time in the gym. i swear when im 50 ill probably have to workout 5 hours of drop sets and negatives to even get sore
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: texasRUSH on October 05, 2006, 07:49:31 AM
if you work out on a regular basis and drink plenty of fluids..soreness doesn't exists..if it does it's usually a precursor to injury.  
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: Marty Champions on October 05, 2006, 07:50:11 AM
Could be overtraining, I have experienced this and heard others say it as well.

i dont think so man, i think it would be undertraining.
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: Marty Champions on October 05, 2006, 07:51:19 AM
if you work out on a regular basis and drink plenty of fluids..soreness doesn't exists..if it does it's usually a precursor to injury. 

i dont think most would agree with you on that.
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: texasRUSH on October 05, 2006, 08:25:46 AM
again that's from personal experience....just depends on how hard you work apparenlty.
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: Princess L on October 05, 2006, 11:39:58 AM
Weird you posted this.... I hit legs yeasterday... 5 sets of squats 5 sets of leg presses... Along with detail shit. No soreness to speak off ???
;)  There's still time
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: Overload on October 05, 2006, 12:33:21 PM
funny...i get sore after every single workout and i never do more than 12 sets.

8)
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: WOOO on October 05, 2006, 05:33:23 PM
if you work out on a regular basis and drink plenty of fluids..soreness doesn't exists..if it does it's usually a precursor to injury.  

where is your proof to back up such an irrational statement?
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: Sculpter on October 06, 2006, 05:47:54 AM
Actually I agree w/texasRUSH's statement w/just 1 exception.You need to have protein in there also to repair what damage you have done to the muscles trained.It seems to be that way for me in my own training.Can do anything (training style wise) to stress the muscle after my initial soreness yet never ever get extreme soreness in the muscles afterwards.I may get dull aches or the like but never actually sore.
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: dontknowit on October 06, 2006, 06:28:59 AM
I only get sore when I change exercises or don't eat enough.

The degree of soreness isn't a criteria for progress.
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: texasRUSH on October 06, 2006, 06:38:38 AM
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where is your proof to back up such an irrational statement?

OMG SARCASM!


and if it's not...you're asking me to prove how training, eating, etc. the right way prevents muscle soreness?

Shouldn't my biceps be sore from yesterday if that was the case? Instead of the usual 6 sets I did 12 to blast the hell outta them for one good workout...

this morning...no soreness. So either I have no idea wth i'm doing and i'm making it up or you clowns don't know shit...  ;D

I'd hafta go with what sculpter said too...I don't get sore unless I do something dramatic in my training or try a new exercise my body hasn't adjusted to yet...but if you're sore EVERY workout...i'd hafta say you're overtraining or don't know wtf you're doing.
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: texasRUSH on October 06, 2006, 06:39:32 AM
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The degree of soreness isn't a criteria for progress.

That right there is one of the few BIG things you guys have preached here for years!
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: figgs on October 06, 2006, 11:24:52 AM
The degree of soreness isn't a criteria for progress.

Most bodybuilders have such a hard time accepting that as a fact. I hear it so often but why then is my instictual reaction to contemplate over what I did wrong during my workout when I don't get sore?
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: WOOO on October 06, 2006, 05:22:51 PM
OMG SARCASM!


and if it's not...you're asking me to prove how training, eating, etc. the right way prevents muscle soreness?

Shouldn't my biceps be sore from yesterday if that was the case? Instead of the usual 6 sets I did 12 to blast the hell outta them for one good workout...

this morning...no soreness. So either I have no idea wth i'm doing and i'm making it up or you clowns don't know shit...  ;D

I'd hafta go with what sculpter said too...I don't get sore unless I do something dramatic in my training or try a new exercise my body hasn't adjusted to yet...but if you're sore EVERY workout...i'd hafta say you're overtraining or don't know wtf you're doing.

yo tex... i am drunk... beer and rum have reduced my soreness... this is good shit... gonna play some snoop tunes and nod my head for a bit
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: texasRUSH on October 06, 2006, 08:39:24 PM
better be some dark rum and not that bacardi shit...


don't lose the respect baby!  ;D


5th of johnny walker and a tray of ice says ol' painless is gonna have a good night.
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: darksol on October 06, 2006, 10:29:18 PM
You may not be eating enough.  I have noticed that I only get sore when I have a good workout, and I eat plenty so my body has the right building materials.  If I don't eat enough, then I don't get sore, and I don't getbig.  When you are working out, try to make sure you are cramping up your targeted muscles.  Then stretch the cramp out and repeat. This should make you nice and sore.  ;D
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: texasRUSH on October 06, 2006, 10:33:02 PM
what happened to people not agreeing with me?

a 6pack doesn't count as a meal dw..maybe you shoudl mix in some eas packets with that booze.
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: Marty Champions on October 07, 2006, 08:33:57 PM
You may not be eating enough.  I have noticed that I only get sore when I have a good workout, and I eat plenty so my body has the right building materials.  If I don't eat enough, then I don't get sore, and I don't getbig.  When you are working out, try to make sure you are cramping up your targeted muscles.  Then stretch the cramp out and repeat. This should make you nice and sore.  ;D


good theory and good idea seems about right to me
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: AVBG on October 07, 2006, 08:57:36 PM
as the great jaejonna would say "discuss"

im talking if i spend a long time crushing a bodypart with negatives, heavy weights, and drop sets and no soreness? usually i can get sore id say about 85 percent of the time, but that 15 percent of the time that i dont get sore i feel like i possibly didnt push hard enough to get sore....i dont know but im still the man of course im not stepping down from my king of the world throne anytime soon  :o

try cutting the rest between sets to approx 30 secs while trying to move the same weight.. the reps will drop but you'll be sore.. count on it.
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: WOOO on October 08, 2006, 03:13:22 AM
better be some dark rum and not that bacardi shit...


don't lose the respect baby!  ;D


5th of johnny walker and a tray of ice says ol' painless is gonna have a good night.

i'm drinking 7 year old Havana Club.... it Cuban dark rum... good shit.... too bad about that american embargo thing....
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: flexingtonsteele on October 09, 2006, 08:43:43 AM
Why do u care about being sore??
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: GoneAway on October 09, 2006, 07:11:58 PM
if you work out on a regular basis and drink plenty of fluids..soreness doesn't exists..if it does it's usually a precursor to injury.  

When I trained 6 days straight out of the week, no soreness to speak of. When I would take a few days off and then on my first day back = soreness. Similar warmup each time.

I put soreness down to the muscles not being ready to take the load. Those that train twice a week and stretch alot I doubt hardly ever have soreness.
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: Xecutioner on October 11, 2006, 10:31:11 AM
As far as muscle soreness is concerned, my training partners and I experienced the same thing. All around the same time. Regardless of what new technique we implemented or how hard we pushed ourselves, we could no longer get sore, for the life of us. I'd be curious to know what the reason for this could be.
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: texasRUSH on October 11, 2006, 10:34:03 AM
maybe your body is adapting to the workout?  ???  ;D


or you're not smoking enough pot and drinking enough beer...

dude..seriously...mr.get big secrets revealed right here ladies and gentlemen!  8)
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: Xecutioner on October 11, 2006, 12:58:32 PM
Adaptation was our initial assumption, hence the changes in the workout. These changes, however, resulted in no additional soreness. Perhaps I'll try the beer and smokes  ;D ;)
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: Overload on October 11, 2006, 01:39:02 PM
Adaptation was our initial assumption, hence the changes in the workout. These changes, however, resulted in no additional soreness.

change rep ranges, try rest pause, drop sets, etc....

change more than just the exercises and/or order of exercises...

8)
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: Xecutioner on October 12, 2006, 01:25:10 PM
change rep ranges, try rest pause, drop sets, etc....

change more than just the exercises and/or order of exercises...

8)

We had incorporated drop sets, negatives, less rest time, altered our rep ranges, numerous things. Nothing seemed to work. I came to believe that this was just something that happened after you'd been hard at it for a while. :)
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: Overload on October 12, 2006, 01:44:22 PM
We had incorporated drop sets, negatives, less rest time, altered our rep ranges, numerous things. Nothing seemed to work. I came to believe that this was just something that happened after you'd been hard at it for a while. :)

Very odd...

9 years and i get sore after 90% of my workouts...

8)
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: candidate2025 on October 12, 2006, 04:39:17 PM
not being sore the day after working out is fine...in fact for me that is normal, ...it seems that the lactic acid doesnt cause any pain untill two days after i workout...and then it sowly drains as the muscle repairs....

if i wasnt getting sore at all, i would try working out all my muscles every day, because if they arent sore, than they are already repaired....and i could put on muscle like nobodies business.


but thats me &&& how my body works.....dont know about you guys. 



i suggest you just turn up the intensity up a bit.
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: runnerbabe on October 25, 2006, 08:29:09 PM
i swear when im 50 ill probably have to workout 5 hours of drop sets and negatives to even get sore

If I did 5 hours of any exercise (except running of course  :-*), I would be in traction--LOL.

If you all think soreness is a criteria for a good workout-- then just change up your routine-- and it will happen. Try something else ---with bands or medicine balls and do more functional moves-- Do rest pause-- that always gets me!
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: TheAnimal on October 27, 2006, 03:30:47 AM
change your workouts around keep a diary SORENESS IS KEY! we love it! as bodybuilders we must get DOMS IMO
-drop sets
-10 sets method
-volume
-intensity
just get DOMS if it doesn't work change it around so you get SORE because we instinctively wake up in the morning if it hurts it was a good workout
Good Luck and get  sore its key!
Title: Re: hitting ultimate muscular failure and sometimes no soreness?
Post by: jaejonna on October 27, 2006, 06:23:53 AM
I used to not get as sore in my Lats when i did back workouts....

So before back day...which is ussually Chest day...I do 50 chins...then go into chest..this is what Victor Martienez has been doing for a while...It works everytime...

Whatever muscle group isnt getting sore, just hit  one exercise 4 sets a day before you concentrate on it.