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Bottom of the eigth inning and the Tigers are ahead by seven runs. Gotta love it. :D ;D 8)
My money's still on Detroit to win it all.
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Looks like that $250,000,000 payroll was money well spent.
Next year they'll probably spend $300,000,000. ::)
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I'm from Minnesota, so I'm a little heartbroken right now......but yeah Detroit looks real good against a lineup that should be scoring way more than one run.....AGOD may not be back next year? Either way, Detroit/Oakland should be a great series and either way the AL is gonna take the series.
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Torre needs to get fired. period. doesnt know the meaning of "bunt". They dont steal enough bases either.
Damon, Jeter, Abraeu, A-Rod, Giambi, Matsui, Cano ect....they have the talent to beat anyone
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Torre needs to get fired. period. doesnt know the meaning of "bunt". They dont steal enough bases either.
Damon, Jeter, Abraeu, A-Rod, Giambi, Matsui, Cano ect....they have the talent to beat anyone
You realize he's won 4 World Series rings with them don't you?
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I love it! :D
(http://www.yankee-hater.com/yankeehater/images/store/YANKEES-SUCK-sticker.jpg)
(http://www.rageagainsttheright.com/uploaded_images/tek-725621.jpg)
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I wish I was there.....I got to go the last game of the regular season...Seems like everyone I know had tickets to this series.
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Tigers just won it. Good job, guys.
A-Roid looked like he wanted to cry. Awwwwww! :D
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I wanted to cry...I haven't seen the Tigers in the playoffs for 19 years (& I barely remember 87 but 84's a little more clear).
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AHHAHAHA I LOVE IT!!!!!! THE BEST LINEUP EVER???? HAHAHA OWNED BY THE DETRIOT TIGERS!!!!!!
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AHHAHAHA I LOVE IT!!!!!! THE BEST LINEUP EVER???? HAHAHA OWNED BY THE DETRIOT TIGERS!!!!!!
They got their asses kicked. Holy Schit, Detroit DESTROYED the New York Chokees.
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Hahaha not only that where was the MVP Jeter to save the day aaahahahhaha. Ortiz has more rbi's , hr's , better obp and like 300 more homeruns. Not to mention he had 13 game winning hits. Jeter is considered a sub par ss so playing the field dont help his argument. Who won the mvp on a last place team? Arod.. Ortiz team finished 3rd. Anyone who watched the sox knows that was due to injury and bad luck. Jeter isn't even the best ss on the Yankees. Arod has better numbers hahaah. Not only that 3 guys have over 100 rbi's on the lineup. The cheapest bat on that shithole is like 15 million bucks lol. Real hard to have good numbers on that lineup ::) Ha ha I love it... Choke squad
I cannot believe they outspend the sox by 90 million dollars and get eliminated in the first round. They outspend Detroit by what? 160 million ahaha. Not only that they where destroyed. At least the sox could say there entire starting lineup was out and one of there best pitchers got cancer!!!!!!!!
Have another good year Goergie.... Good luck with the new staduim and extra money.. Wont help ya any :-* :-* :-*
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omg. im either gonna jump off of a bridge or drink myself to death after this loss. i cant handle another div series exit. i guess i will just drink/drug myself to death
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i almost cried tears of joy. not cause i like the tigers, but cause i cant stand the yankees.
another early exit ;D
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Torre needs to get fired. period. doesnt know the meaning of "bunt". They dont steal enough bases either.
Damon, Jeter, Abraeu, A-Rod, Giambi, Matsui, Cano ect....they have the talent to beat anyone
Ass-backwards; these "pros" didn't deliver (again); Torre has, though he may not have the ability to motivate this group. Johnson i don't count; at that age the only surprise was thinking he had anything left as a starter.
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Torre needs to get fired. period. doesnt know the meaning of "bunt". They dont steal enough bases either.
Damon, Jeter, Abraeu, A-Rod, Giambi, Matsui, Cano ect....they have the talent to beat anyone
The supposed best linup ever was totally shut down. It is all about pitching. The Yankees have none. Not to mention how overrated the whole freking team is. They arent shit. Spend that much/have that kind off lineup you better get out of the first round.
There are alot of pissed of new yorkers tonight.
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I wish the Spankees a loooong, demented off season.. ;D
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The Yankees have none. Not to mention how overrated the whole freking team is. They arent shit.
they beat the trash out of the red sox this season.
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they beat the trash out of the red sox this season.
Haha the red sox? The entire starting lineup was injured. Half the team was out for that last series. The red sox where in first place most all the year. You do know at one point the entire starting lineup was injured pretty much.Get a clue god boy.
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i love the yanks, but this time. i hope their plane crashes on the way home
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I love it!
keep spending Steinbrenner..........
Now, I just want to see the Foreskins (Redskins) fall flat on their asses as well.............. ;D
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You guys think the Tigers are impressive, wait till you see my Lions go 12 and 4.
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You guys think the Tigers are impressive, wait till you see my Lions go 12 and 4.
I'd be happy with 4 & 12.
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Haha the red sox? The entire starting lineup was injured. Half the team was out for that last series. The red sox where in first place most all the year. You do know at one point the entire starting lineup was injured pretty much.Get a clue god boy.
Hey Body88, the Yankees didn't have Sheffield or Matsui for most of the year, and Cano was out for a month during this too. And the Yankees were hanging with a then healthy Red Sox team, playing rookies like Melky Cabrera, Aaron Guile, and Andy Phillips. Plus Carl Pavano, who was suppossed to be their 5th starter, never threw a pitch in the majors this year, while Dotel, their best set-up guy, was only healthy a month.
And other than Varitek, the Red Sox didn't really have many injuries until after the "Boston Massacre" 5 game sweep in August, when the Yankees took a 6 and a half game lead. Now I will admit that no Varitek is huge, not just in the lineup, but calling the game from behind the plate.
You make a great point about pitching being what wins in the post-season, and that the Yankees did not have enough.
But you also said Jeter is considered sub par defensively at shortstop. If not for all the bullshit theories of True Addonis in the last month, this would be the all time dumbest statement ever on GetBig ! You asked where was he in this series? He was 8 for 16, and Posada was 7 for 14. A-Rod, sheffield and Giambi were a combined 3 for like 33, but you cannot fault Jeter.
Yeah the Yankees were embarrased this week, but at least they wer still playing baseball. The Red Sox finished 3rd in the division this year too, a game behind Toronto. So maybe you should get a clue!
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I'd be happy with 4 & 12.
Fellow Michigander?
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yes that was great...my red sox had a rough year but seeing the yanks get their ass kicked eases the pain a little.
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Hey Body88, the Yankees didn't have Sheffield or Matsui for most of the year, and Cano was out for a month during this too. And the Yankees were hanging with a then healthy Red Sox team, playing rookies like Melky Cabrera, Aaron Guile, and Andy Phillips. Plus Carl Pavano, who was suppossed to be their 5th starter, never threw a pitch in the majors this year, while Dotel, their best set-up guy, was only healthy a month.
And other than Varitek, the Red Sox didn't really have many injuries until after the "Boston Massacre" 5 game sweep in August, when the Yankees took a 6 and a half game lead. Now I will admit that no Varitek is huge, not just in the lineup, but calling the game from behind the plate.
You make a great point about pitching being what wins in the post-season, and that the Yankees did not have enough.
But you also said Jeter is considered sub par defensively at shortstop. If not for all the bullshit theories of True Addonis in the last month, this would be the all time dumbest statement ever on GetBig ! You asked where was he in this series? He was 8 for 16, and Posada was 7 for 14. A-Rod, sheffield and Giambi were a combined 3 for like 33, but you cannot fault Jeter.
Yeah the Yankees were embarrased this week, but at least they wer still playing baseball. The Red Sox finished 3rd in the division this year too, a game behind Toronto. So maybe you should get a clue!
Haha if you knew anything about baseball you would know Derek Jeter is considered to be a average DEFENSIVE shortstop by most all in baseball. He is not even the best shortstop on the Yankees. Arod (before his struggles was much better) Jeter has very limited range and makes alot of errors. Since you think this statement is crazy you are obv a crazy new york fan. Not only that you think the only injuries the red sox had was "veritek" you obviously do not watch much of the red sox....
The injuries the Yankees had cant hold a candle to the Red Sox. So what those guys where out? You got Arod,jeter,Giambi,Posada,Damon and the rest of the 15 million plus "superstars" out there lol. You do not watch much baseball if you think the only injuries the sox had during the "massacere" was veritek. Tim Wakefield , Trot Nixon , John Lester, Kieth Folk, and Del carmen to name a FEW. The Red Sox where in first place most all the year until the injuries. Byt the time the end of the season was here they had pretty much there entire starting lineup out. Lets see how the chokees would have done with there entire starting lineup out. They cannot even get out of te first round with the so called "best lineup ever" and 200 million bucks on the pay role hahahaha what a joke.
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Hey Body88, the Yankees didn't have Sheffield or Matsui for most of the year, and Cano was out for a month during this too. And the Yankees were hanging with a then healthy Red Sox team, playing rookies like Melky Cabrera, Aaron Guile, and Andy Phillips. Plus Carl Pavano, who was suppossed to be their 5th starter, never threw a pitch in the majors this year, while Dotel, their best set-up guy, was only healthy a month.
And other than Varitek, the Red Sox didn't really have many injuries until after the "Boston Massacre" 5 game sweep in August, when the Yankees took a 6 and a half game lead. Now I will admit that no Varitek is huge, not just in the lineup, but calling the game from behind the plate.
You make a great point about pitching being what wins in the post-season, and that the Yankees did not have enough.
But you also said Jeter is considered sub par defensively at shortstop. If not for all the bullshit theories of True Addonis in the last month, this would be the all time dumbest statement ever on GetBig ! You asked where was he in this series? He was 8 for 16, and Posada was 7 for 14. A-Rod, sheffield and Giambi were a combined 3 for like 33, but you cannot fault Jeter.
Yeah the Yankees were embarrased this week, but at least they wer still playing baseball. The Red Sox finished 3rd in the division this year too, a game behind Toronto. So maybe you should get a clue!
I'm not going to defend the Red Sox because they were sliding before the injuries but to compare the injuries the Red Sox had to deal with to the injuries the New York Chokees had to deal with is asinine. The Red Sox lost nearly EVERYONE in the lineup at one point or another including Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz who is only the most clutch and most feared hitter in all of baseball. And when Manny is out of the lineup no one pitches to Ortiz, they just walk him. Also, the loss of Varitek to the pitching staff was such a huge blow that it's almost can't calculate how much influence he has. All you need to know is that Mirabelli became our everyday catcher. ::)
Again, I am not making excuses just pointing the facts because even with the injuries the Sox should have played better than they did. You said the Chokees were embarassed by the loss, that's not quite accurate, they were humiliated. Perhaps it's you that should get a clue, $100,000,000 more in payroll, 1/10th the injuries and your team played 4 more games. That's not exactly something you should be bragging about.
While I agree Jeter is not a subpar shortstop, defensively he's not in the top 5 and in fact ARod is better, much better. Jeter should never have won a gold glove, that was a joke especially when you consider Alex Gonzalez hasn't won a gold glove and he's the best defensive shortstop in baseball, bar none. He's a friggin wizard. He makes plays that make you shake your head in amazement all the time.
And don't get me started on that Chokees payroll, considering Georgie Boy will spend about $230,000,000 after luxury taxes are assessed this year to be destroyed by the Tigers in the first round of the playoffs is a choke job of the highest magnitude. Not quite as bad as 2004 but it's up there.
Get ready for some major changes in New York. I wouldn't doubt it if Torre, ARod, Randy Johnson and Sheffield are all gone. The word is Lou Piniella will take over for Torre. I don't know about that but it should be interesting.
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I'm not going to defend the Red Sox because they were sliding before the injuries but to compare the injuries the Red Sox had to deal with to the injuries the New York Chokees had to deal with is asinine. The Red Sox lost nearly EVERYONE in the lineup at one point or another including Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz who is only the most clutch and most feared hitter in all of baseball. And when Manny is out of the lineup no one pitches to Ortiz, they just walk him. Also, the loss of Varitek to the pitching staff was such a huge blow that it's almost can't calculate how much influence he has. All you need to know is that Mirabelli became our everyday catcher. ::)
Again, I am not making excuses just pointing the facts because even with the injuries the Sox should have played better than they did. You said the Chokees were embarassed by the loss, that's not quite accurate, they were humiliated. Perhaps it's you that should get a clue, $100,000,000 more in payroll, 1/10th the injuries and your team played 4 more games. That's not exactly something you should be bragging about.
While I agree Jeter is not a subpar shortstop, defensively he's not in the top 5 and in fact ARod is better, much better. Jeter should never have won a gold glove, that was a joke especially when you consider Alex Gonzalez hasn't won a gold glove and he's the best defensive shortstop in baseball, bar none. He's a friggin wizard. He makes plays that make you shake your head in amazement all the time.
And don't get me started on that Chokees payroll, considering Georgie Boy will spend about $230,000,000 after luxury taxes are assessed this year to be destroyed by the Tigers in the first round of the playoffs is a choke job of the highest magnitude. Not quite as bad as 2004 but it's up there.
Get ready for some major changes in New York. I wouldn't doubt it if Torre, ARod, Randy Johnson and Sheffield are all gone. The word is Lou Piniella will take over for Torre. I don't know about that but it should be interesting.
Hahah gonzo is incredable!
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Hahah gonzo is incredable!
He's the second coming of Ozzie Smith, if I were actually old enough to remember Ozzie Smith.
I saw some thing on NESN the other night, it was Jerry Remy's picks for the best plays of the year. I had forgotten some of Gonzo's plays. The dude was born to play shortstop. He's without question the best shortstop I've ever seen.
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Looks like that $250,000,000 payroll was money well spent.
Next year they'll probably spend $300,000,000. ::)
Ok, effin, I am a Yankee fan. I know you are a Red Sox fan. The Yankees showed all the emotion of a paper bag this series. They have to get out from under the following contracts- Randy Johnson, Carl Pavano, Jaret Wright, maybe A-Rod etc.. and get some younger guys in here and start developing some decent pitchers from within like Wang and Phil Hughes. The 96 thru 2001 teams had a great bunch of guys and great chemistry and solid pitching staffs. 2002 teams thru 2006 are a bunch of stars thrown together with some on the wrong side of the curve.
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It sucks, they lost, I'm a Yankees fan, but this team showed that didn't give a shit, team lacked heart. Joe should really retire now and head to the baseball hall of fame as fast as possible. Maybe Pinnella is the answer, but I would perfer Giradi(sorry if I spelled his name wrong) Yankees need to let shef go, resign moose for less. Resign Villone for less and use him alot less. Some how, some way sign Zito for 15-16 million a year, Buy out Pavano's contract. As much as I would like to see E-rod go, he won't except a trade. As much as I hate to say it, trade melky and lide or wright for some one who can pitch, someone that has a chance at win 20 games a year. Groom Philip Hughes to come up mid season and be a starter. Middle relief, is what they need, and who ever is the manager needs to use the entire bullpen, not just proctor (80 appearances) and villone. Defense, well not any positions open, so you stuck there. And They need to not trade away all there prospects, keep them. I'm just pissed off the Yankees rolled over and died after game 1 win!!! There needs to be many changes!! But I'm afraid this problem will take a few years to fix.
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Torre will be fired and replaced by Lou Pinella
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-BBA-Yankees-Torre.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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Hahaha not only that where was the MVP Jeter to save the day aaahahahhaha. Ortiz has more rbi's , hr's , better obp and like 300 more homeruns. Not to mention he had 13 game winning hits. Jeter is considered a sub par ss so playing the field dont help his argument. W
You know shit about baseball just like you don't know shit about bodybuilding. Jeter is sure handed, doesn't make many errors and turns a great double play. He doesn't have great range. Ortiz team didn't do shit except basically quit after the Yankees swept them in August. How does an MVP come from a team that basically mailed it in for August and September? Ortiz doesn't play a position. Jeter plays the most important position on the field. Jeter did his part against the Tigers. He played a solid shortstop and went 7 for 14. He isn't the reason the Yankees lost.
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Haha the red sox? The entire starting lineup was injured. Half the team was out for that last series. The red sox where in first place most all the year. You do know at one point the entire starting lineup was injured pretty much.Get a clue god boy.
The Yankees overcame more injuries than the Red Sox pal. Matsui, Pavano, Sheffield were out basically the WHOLE season. The Yankees obviously still played hard and won 97 games. The Red Sox folded like a cheap tent. The only guy who missed tons of time on the Sox was Foulke. Manny still played in like 135 games. Ortiz missed very few games.
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I'm as big a Yankee fan as anyone but they need to let some of these big name players go. Since the Yankees signed A-Rod, Sheffield and Giambi they are 4-12 in the postseason. These guys don't produce when it really counts in NY....The Playoffs. I hope A-Rod gets hit by a fvcking bus, for real. He is a spineless Primadonna, The Yanks can't get rid of him fast enough for me.
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Haha if you knew anything about baseball you would know Derek Jeter is considered to be a average DEFENSIVE shortstop by most all in baseball. He is not even the best shortstop on the Yankees. Arod (before his struggles was much better) Jeter has very limited range and makes alot of errors. Since you think this statement is crazy you are obv a crazy new york fan. Not only that you think the only injuries the red sox had was "veritek" you obviously do not watch much of the red sox....
The injuries the Yankees had cant hold a candle to the Red Sox. So what those guys where out? You got Arod,jeter,Giambi,Posada,Damon and the rest of the 15 million plus "superstars" out there lol. You do not watch much baseball if you think the only injuries the sox had during the "massacere" was veritek. Tim Wakefield , Trot Nixon , John Lester, Kieth Folk, and Del carmen to name a FEW. The Red Sox where in first place most all the year until the injuries. Byt the time the end of the season was here they had pretty much there entire starting lineup out. Lets see how the chokees would have done with there entire starting lineup out. They cannot even get out of te first round with the so called "best lineup ever" and 200 million bucks on the pay role hahahaha what a joke.
lol, you can't even spell Varitek and Foulke correctly.
Sox revisionist historians will like to point to injuries as the reason that the Sox collapsed, but that's far from the truth. Their run differential and pyth calcualations showed them to be about 8 games worse than their record suggested. It was bound to catch up with them. They had flukey numbers against the Orioles and the NL, but played poorly against good teams.
The Sox slide began right after the all star break. Why? Start with Beckett. He was dubbed an "Ace" despite never having pitched over 176 innings, and was coming from the weaker NL AND from pitching in a pitcher's ballpark. He had been marred by inconsistency his whole career, and been living off his 2003 WS performance. Before the Vagitek injury, he had the second lowest OPS among AL qualified catchers, been the second lowest in CS % among qualified AL catchers, and his team ERA was in the bottom half of the AL. It could be argued that he was the worst catcher in the AL. Lowell, Gonzalez and Youklis all had good starts above their averages that were bound to catch up with them. Coco Crisp turned out to be a shadow of Johnny Damno. Nixon hasn't been shit since he got off the juice. Also, take into consideration that Wonder Boy Epstein traded away incredible prospects like Marte, Sanchez, Sanchez, and Ramirez which would have produced a lethal combination of youth and veterans that would've given them the payroll flexibility to add a superstar like Abreu.
The fact is that the Yankees ended the Sox season with the Boston Massacre in August, but Sox fans will look to injuries for excuses. Yes, they were devastated after that, but it was already over at that point. They're going to suck next year too, since they're saddled with 100 million right from the get go.
Body, it's evident that YOU know nothing about baseball, and just decided to spout out the popular media generated traditional bullshit drivel that you read on ESPN.com. If you ever want really learn, visit http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/ or other similar sites, but they'll probably be over your head.
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The name of the game is TEAM CHEMISTRY. Slapping together a lineup of high priced players does not guarantee shit, period.
As a life long Orioles fan, there's only one thing to say about the Yankees....FUCK 'EM!
A rod batted 8th in yesterday's game? Pathetic. The most overrated player and most overpaid player in baseball. Bringing in Damon and bumping Jeter as your lead off man? Ridiculously stupid. Only happened because they needed to replace Bernie in center. You don't bump your lead off guy to second. Another post season failure since 2000. Gotta love it.
Yankees fans always ridicule me and say"when's the last time you were in the playoffs?"
My answer? I'd rather lose every year than over spend for a bunch of names that can't get it done when it counts.
Torre? Would you like to manage the O's??
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lol, you can't even spell Varitek and Foulke correctly.
Body, it's evident that YOU know nothing about baseball.
That is an understatement.
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The name of the game is TEAM CHEMISTRY. Slapping together a lineup of high priced players does not guarantee shit, period.
Bringing in Damon and bumping Jeter as your lead off man? Ridiculously stupid. Only happened because they needed to replace Bernie in center. You don't bump your lead off guy to second.
I gotta disagree with you there. Damon was a real good signing. Jeter is more suited to the two hole. I do agree that the Yankees were a mish mash of pieces thrown together. I personally liked the line up with Melky in there. His speed, glove, hustle and enthusiam were a shot in the arm to a bunch of complacent veterans.
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The name of the game is TEAM CHEMISTRY. Slapping together a lineup of high priced players does not guarantee shit, period.
As a life long Orioles fan, there's only one thing to say about the Yankees....f**k 'EM!
Up, the O's need to somehow get rid of Angelos.
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Bottom of the eigth inning and the Tigers are ahead by seven runs. Gotta love it. :D ;D 8)
My money's still on Detroit to win it all.
...You are a very smart man~ ;D
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Thanks--I try. :D ;D
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Looks like that $250,000,000 payroll was money well spent.
Next year they'll probably spend $300,000,000. ::)
...That's right! Just like the Yankees have done for the past 15 years. God forbid if they should actually have to build a team from scratch.~ ::)
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I gotta disagree with you there. Damon was a real good signing. Jeter is more suited to the two hole. I do agree that the Yankees were a mish mash of pieces thrown together. I personally liked the line up with Melky in there. His speed, glove, hustle and enthusiam were a shot in the arm to a bunch of complacent veterans.
Damon had a career year for power numbers so I have to agree with you. His average was way down for a lead off man, though.
Angelos. Jesus. Tell me something I don't know, bro.
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I gotta disagree with you there. Damon was a real good signing. Jeter is more suited to the two hole. I do agree that the Yankees were a mish mash of pieces thrown together. I personally liked the line up with Melky in there. His speed, glove, hustle and enthusiam were a shot in the arm to a bunch of complacent veterans.
Agree 100% on Melky. He deserved to be in there.
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Damon had a career year for power numbers so I have to agree with you. His average was way down for a lead off man, though.
Angelos. Jesus. Tell me something I don't know, bro.
It's likely Damon had a career year in power because of the extremely short porch in Yankee stadiu. His swing was made for that park. If he had played anywhere else his power numbers wouldn't have been as high.
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I doubt the Yanks wil trade anybody. They will most likely dump sheffield though. Him and Torre will be gone. I hope they keep Mattingly as the hitting coach and Guidry as pitching coach. Lets see what Pinella can do with this team.
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I doubt the Yanks wil trade anybody. They will most likely dump sheffield though. Him and Torre will be gone. I hope they keep Mattingly as the hitting coach and Guidry as pitching coach. Lets see what Pinella can do with this team.
Torre should be gone IMO. His lineups for those games were stupifying.
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Torre should be gone IMO. His lineups for those games were stupifying.
according the todays New York Times, torre is done.
John Kruk and others sounded dissapointed on ESPN when they heard the news but Torre is out
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Torre should be gone IMO. His lineups for those games were stupifying.
Sitting Sheff against a lefty and Giambi against a rightly was just plain dumb. He should have stood pat with the game one lineup.
Chemistry is a crock, though. There have been plenty of teams with dissent that have one. You could argue that winning breed chemistry. The Yankees actually had a pretty loose clubhouse this year, though the national media will never print it.
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Chemistry is a crock, though. There have been plenty of teams with dissent that have one. You could argue that winning breed chemistry. The Yankees actually had a pretty loose clubhouse this year, though the national media will never print it.
I know that guys like Jeter, Posada..ect who have several world series rings would sit next to A-Rod and give him advice and he would just stare straight ahead and act as is he was sitting alone and not hearing a thing.
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I know that guys like Jeter, Posada..ect who have several world series rings would sit next to A-Rod and give him advice and he would just stare straight ahead and act as is he was sitting alone and not hearing a thing.
I'd like to read this. Do you have a link? I read this blog daily - http://www.thejournalnews.com/blogs/lohudyankees.html - he's a beat reporter for the team and posts some good inside stuff.
Doesn't that story sound sort of contrived? Like Jeter and/or Posada would be sitting there actually giving advice while a reporter looked on?
Posada was only the starting cather for one of those rings. I just don't believe and all of this chemistry stuff. The Yankees lost becasue their bats went cold and their SP was poor.
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I'm as big a Yankee fan as anyone but they need to let some of these big name players go. Since the Yankees signed A-Rod, Sheffield and Giambi they are 4-12 in the postseason. These guys don't produce when it really counts in NY....The Playoffs. I hope A-Rod gets hit by a fvcking bus, for real. He is a spineless Primadonna, The Yanks can't get rid of him fast enough for me.
The Yankees miss gamers like Paul ONeil and Tino Martinez.
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according the todays New York Times, torre is done.
John Kruk and others sounded dissapointed on ESPN when they heard the news but Torre is out
If Joe goes I sure hopethey can do it gracefully. Joe deserves that much.
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Torre will be fired and replaced by Lou Pinella
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-BBA-Yankees-Torre.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
ya i saw the report on tv today too...sounds like its gonna happen
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You know shit about baseball just like you don't know shit about bodybuilding. Jeter is sure handed, doesn't make many errors and turns a great double play. He doesn't have great range. Ortiz team didn't do shit except basically quit after the Yankees swept them in August. How does an MVP come from a team that basically mailed it in for August and September? Ortiz doesn't play a position. Jeter plays the most important position on the field. Jeter did his part against the Tigers. He played a solid shortstop and went 7 for 14. He isn't the reason the Yankees lost.
Hhaha yes what I said was so off base! Like I said the only people who think Jeter is a good defensive ss are delusional Yankees fans. he is the second best ss on the team! Have fun in the offseason!!!!
As for the MVP I seem to remember A choke getting it while on a last place team a few years back::) Switch Jeter and Ortiz this year. Sox still don't make the playoffs.The Yankees put up some of the best offensive numbers ever seen.Most likley win the world series.
Take the argument Jeter plays the field and Ortiz is a dh. Toss it. That would hurt Jeter.He is average at best defensivley. This is supposed to be the MVP!!!! The best baby!!! I will give you he is a average pro ss. So no harm no foul. Now take all the offensive numbers. Ortiz kills him in them all. He has like 40 more homeruns lol. Not to mention 13 game winning hits.He held that team together before the slew of injuries.You fools forget the entire starting Sox lineup was out in the end. Ortiz Won 13 games on his own.Definition of clutch. Now take in to account 3 players have over 100 RBIs on the Yankees ::) yeah so hard to hold that team together Jeter ::) The sox had 10 times the devastating injuries the Yankees did. Not only that the Yankees still had there superstar 230 million dollar pay role. What a terrible lineup you guys had to suffer through. That NY lineup was still better than most major league lineups while injured. You had most all your pitchers all year also.
10 bucks says you do not even watch the Sox besides when they play the choke squad.
You know so much lol.... Please.
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.So take the argument Jeter plays the field. Toss it.
Okay....lets just "toss" ortiz's homers too ::)
Imbecile.
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Hhaha yes what I said was so off base! Like I said the only people who think Jeter is a good defensive ss are delusional Yankees fans. he is the second best ss on the team! Have fun in the offseason!!!!
As for the MVP I seem to remember A choke getting it while on a last place team a few years back::) Switch Jeter and Ortiz this year. Sox still don't make the playoffs.The Yankees put up some of the best offensive numbers ever seen.So take the argument Jeter plays the field. Toss it. That would hurt him. I will give you he is a average pro ss. So no harm no foul. Now take all the offensive numbers. Ortiz kills him in them all. He has like 40 more homeruns lol. Not to mention 13 game winning hits. Now take in to account 3 players have over 100 RBIs on the Yankees ::) yeah so hard to hold that team together Jeter ::) The sox had 10 times the devastating injuries the Yankees did. Not only that the Yankees still had there superstar 230 million dollar pay role. What a terrible lineup you guys had to suffer through. That NY lineup was still better than most major league lineups while injured. You had most all your pitchers all year also.
10 bucks says you do not even watch the Sox besides when they play the choke squad.
You know so much lol.... Please.
Nobody is listening to you so drone on. You don't know shit about baseball. I think both Red Sox and Yankee fans will agree on that point.
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Okay....lets just "toss" ortiz's homers too ::)
Imbecile.
He is another guy who gets more annoying with every post.
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Okay....lets just "toss" ortiz's homers too ::)
Imbecile.
Why would you use playing the field as an argument for Jeter? Jeter is average at best defensivley. how does that help his case? He is supposed to be the mvp...
Haha Yankees fans
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He is another guy who gets more annoying with every post.
Haha ok bmacys... Why dont you go suck some cock on the general board..
hahah tell me where my post was so crazy. Everything I said in the post was accurate. What wasent? You know so much what was off?
You are just mad you yankees chocked yet again.
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Why would you use playing the field as an argument? Jeter is average at best defensivley. how does that help his case? He is supposed to be the mvp...
haha Yankees fans
Jeter is a godd defensive shortstop. Not great,good.
Ortiz sits on his ass in the dugout when his team is on the field, he CAN'T EVEN PLAY DEFENSE.
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Jeter is a godd defensive shortstop. Not great,good.
Ortiz sits on his ass in the dugout when his team is on the field, he CAN'T EVEN PLAY DEFENSE.
Ortiz is 10 times the player Jeter beater could ever wish to be (j/k).Ok maybe not 10 times!! Jeter is considered a average ss at best(defensivley). If you do not know that then you are the one who knows nothing about baseball. Derek jeter is a GREAT player. He is not a mvp. His team is just to stacked. Lets see him play for a shitter without all the hitters always on base.
I said since he was a decent ss the field should not count for or against him. Although you could argue it should count against him. You guys say I know nothing yet my entire post was accurate haha.
ps ortiz has 40 more homeruns than THE MAN!!!
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I said since he was a decent ss the field should not count against or for him. Although you could argue it should count against him. You guys say i know nothing yet my entire post was accurate haha.
the fact that Ortiz doesn't even play a position automatically disqualifies him.
It's call the MVP...as in PLAYER. Not a fat fvcking DH who rides the bench. We can argue this all night long but the fact is I can guarantee you Ortiz won't EVER win the MVP because he's a DH. Oh and please stop saying mean things about the Yankees...your'e hurting my feelings ::) ::)
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the fact that Ortiz doesn't even play a position automatically disqualifies him.
It's call the MVP...as in PLAYER. Not a fat fvcking DH who rides the bench. We can argue this all night long but the fact is I can guarantee you Ortiz won't EVER win the MVP because he's a DH. Oh and please stop saying mean things about the Yankees...your'e hurting my feelings ::) ::)
Fat? Sorry he isnt a steriod pumping goon bag like your boy Giambi. You would give your left testicle to have the fat bench rider on your team.
Haha you get personal with his looks? You got nothing huh? My question stands. Aside from the statement I made about jeter being the second best ss on the yankees tell me why I know nothing? Tell me what in my original post was inaccurate? What did I say that was a rediculous claim?
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Hhaha yes what I said was so off base! Like I said the only people who think Jeter is a good defensive ss are delusional Yankees fans. he is the second best ss on the team! Have fun in the offseason!!!!
As for the MVP I seem to remember A choke getting it while on a last place team a few years back: Switch Jeter and Ortiz this year. Sox still don't make the playoffs.The Yankees put up some of the best offensive numbers ever seen.So take the argument Jeter plays the field. Toss it. That would hurt him. I will give you he is a average pro ss. So no harm no foul. Now take all the offensive numbers. Ortiz kills him in them all. He has like 40 more homeruns lol. Not to mention 13 game winning hits. Now take in to account 3 players have over 100 RBIs on the Yankees yeah so hard to hold that team together Jeter The sox had 10 times the devastating injuries the Yankees did. Not only that the Yankees still had there superstar 230 million dollar pay role. What a terrible lineup you guys had to suffer through. That NY lineup was still better than most major league lineups while injured. You had most all your pitchers all year also.
10 bucks says you do not even watch the Sox besides when they play the choke squad.
You know so much lol.... Please.
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gotta love the yankee fans vs red sox fans
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Fat? Sorry he isnt a steriod pumping goon bag like your boy Giambi. You would give your left testicle to have the fat bench rider on your team.
Haha you get personal with his looks? You got nothing huh? My question stands. Aside from the statement I made about jeter being the second best ss on the yankees tell me why I know nothing? Tell me what in my original post was inaccurate? What did I say that was a rediculous claim?
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Hhaha yes what I said was so off base! Like I said the only people who think Jeter is a good defensive ss are delusional Yankees fans. he is the second best ss on the team! Have fun in the offseason!!!!
As for the MVP I seem to remember A choke getting it while on a last place team a few years back: Switch Jeter and Ortiz this year. Sox still don't make the playoffs.The Yankees put up some of the best offensive numbers ever seen.So take the argument Jeter plays the field. Toss it. That would hurt him. I will give you he is a average pro ss. So no harm no foul. Now take all the offensive numbers. Ortiz kills him in them all. He has like 40 more homeruns lol. Not to mention 13 game winning hits. Now take in to account 3 players have over 100 RBIs on the Yankees yeah so hard to hold that team together Jeter The sox had 10 times the devastating injuries the Yankees did. Not only that the Yankees still had there superstar 230 million dollar pay role. What a terrible lineup you guys had to suffer through. That NY lineup was still better than most major league lineups while injured. You had most all your pitchers all year also.
10 bucks says you do not even watch the Sox besides when they play the choke squad.
You know so much lol.... Please.
I don't say this often but.........Meltdown.
Goddamn man, I really don't give half a shit,relax.
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the fact that Ortiz doesn't even play a position automatically disqualifies him.
It's call the MVP...as in PLAYER. Not a fat fvcking DH who rides the bench. We can argue this all night long but the fact is I can guarantee you Ortiz won't EVER win the MVP because he's a DH. Oh and please stop saying mean things about the Yankees...your'e hurting my feelings ::) ::)
You know what's so comical about this point of view? Every Yankees fan on the planet would sell their first born into slavery to have David Ortiz on the Yankees, oh by the way, that includes Steinbrenner. And if Ortiz was a Yankee (God forbid) then these fools arguing about Papi not playing the field would be arguing how that doesn't matter. Think about this, hitting in Yankee stadium 81 games a year with that short right field porch Ortiz would probably hit 65-70 homeruns a year. The most astonishing part of that statement is that it's not hyperbole. He's that good.
I don't think Ortiz deserves the MVP this year for a number of reasons but he sure as hell deserved it last year and he was robbed when he didn't win it. To me in order to win the MVP a player's team has to make it to the post season so to me, Ortiz doesn't qualify this year.
When you weigh the value of an individual player to a team no one has more impact than Ortiz, no one. Without Ortiz the Red Sox aren't even remotely the same team. Without Arod or Jeter the Chokees are still an excellent team full of high priced All Stars.
To me Rivera is the most valuable Yankee, without him closing games the Yankees don't win nearly as many games as they've won in the last 10 years.
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Good post! Even though you do not think Ortiz is the MVP you see how Jeter gets the nod due to who he plays for/with. Three different guys on that lineup with over 100 rbi's ::) Yeah real hard to hold that team together. These guys are mad the Yankees choked yet again. Typical Yankees fans. Not to mention the guy is a "decent" pro ss? This is supposed to be the MVP. Every single stat I laid out was accurate. Yet they tell me I know nothing haha. Then they argue no MVP should come from a non playoff team. Well tell that to Arod on the last place rangers a few years back ::) Jeter is a great player.He is not the MVP tho. I would love to see him play for a team that wasn't absolutely stacked. I bet you anything his numbers wouldn't be as good. Like effin said. Ortiz is the Red Sox. Jeter is just one of the MANY superstars. You take Ortiz out of that lineup even when the Sox are at full strength it is a huge blow. You take out Jeter and the Yanks are still absolutly stacked.
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Good post! Even though you do not think Ortiz is the MVP you see how Jeter gets the nod due to who he plays for/with. Three different guys on that lineup with over 100 rbi's ::) Yeah real hard to hold that team together. These guys are mad the Yankees choked yet again. Typical Yankees fans. Not to mention the guy is a "decent" pro ss? This is supposed to be the MVP. Every single stat I laid out was accurate. Yet they tell me I know nothing haha. Then they argue no MVP should come from a non playoff team. Well tell that to Arod on the last place rangers a few years back ::) Jeter is a great player.He is not the MVP tho. I would love to see him play for a team that wasn't absolutely stacked. I bet you anything his numbers wouldn't be as good. Like effin said. Ortiz is the Red Sox. Jeter is just one of the MANY superstars. You take Ortiz out of that lineup even when the Sox are at full strength it is a huge blow. You take out Jeter and the Yanks are still absolutly stacked.
Let's see Ortiz in a poor line-up too. Ortiz is a beast, but Manny Ramirez is top 5 hitter in all of baseball, at least. Ramirez is a sure Hall-of-Famer, and if not for his protection in the line-up, Big Papi would not be getting pitches to hit very often. Especially late in the game in crucial situations, like those 13 game winning hits. Could easily be 1 or 2 game winning hits, and a lot of walks. Or strikouts if he wasn't patient enough, like a Bonds or Giambi.
I am not hating on Ortiz. Yes I hate him since he is so F*cking good for the Red Sox, and always semms to produce against the Yankees. And I would love to have him be the Yankees' DH, hitting to the short right-field porch. But he would not be anywhere near as good without Manny. Bonds or Pujols would kill a relative to have Manny Ramirez hitting behind them. Ryan Howard could challenge either Maris' non-enhanced record and Bond's HGH aided record with Ramirez inserted behind him in the lie-up. And Ortiz would still produce in NY because he would have enough protection, and enough people getting on base in front of him. But he would not have anywhere near the same production in a week line-up.
I do respect David Ortiz. I would say with great confidence that he is natural, as well as Ryan Howard, and Travis Hafner. Ken Griffey might be the only other one who could naturally hit 50 homers. Pujols and A-rod are probably natural, but I wouldn't be shocked if they were on.
And Jeter still has above average range at short. Not to mention he has had the best arm at short for the last decade. An absolute cannon, that enables him to make plays no one else can, throwing out fast runners from deep in the hole.
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You know what's so comical about this point of view? Every Yankees fan on the planet would sell their first born into slavery to have David Ortiz on the Yankees, oh by the way, that includes Steinbrenner. And if Ortiz was a Yankee (God forbid) then these fools arguing about Papi not playing the field would be arguing how that doesn't matter. Think about this, hitting in Yankee stadium 81 games a year with that short right field porch Ortiz would probably hit 65-70 homeruns a year. The most astonishing part of that statement is that it's not hyperbole. He's that good.
I don't think Ortiz deserves the MVP this year for a number of reasons but he sure as hell deserved it last year and he was robbed when he didn't win it. To me in order to win the MVP a player's team has to make it to the post season so to me, Ortiz doesn't qualify this year.
When you weigh the value of an individual player to a team no one has more impact than Ortiz, no one. Without Ortiz the Red Sox aren't even remotely the same team. Without Arod or Jeter the Chokees are still an excellent team full of high priced All Stars.
To me Rivera is the most valuable Yankee, without him closing games the Yankees don't win nearly as many games as they've won in the last 10 years.
You make many great points, as far as us Yankee fans would love to have Ortiz as DH, and the importance of Rivera. But as for Ortiz getting robbed of the MVP last year I disagree.
If A-Rod would of played defense like he did this year, you would of been right. But many writers said he played almost Gold-Glove caliber 3rd base last year. And if you look at their Avg, Runs, HRs, and RBI's it was pretty close. Ortiz had 18 more RBI's, which is an important stat concerning MVP. A-rod had only one more HR, but hit 21 pts higher and scored 6 more runs. He also stole 21 bases, which was another way to be valuable, as he was not a liability on the bases, but actually able to take an extra base.
Because of defense and the steals, with other things being close to a wash, then I think the voters got it right. I am not of the school of thought that a DH cannot be MVP. But his main offensive stats would have to be singificantly higher. If Ortiz would have hit the same average as A-rod and scored as many runs, then maybe he should have gotten it, since he had 18 more RBI's then A-Rod.
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You make many great points, as far as us Yankee fans would love to have Ortiz as DH, and the importance of Rivera. But as for Ortiz getting robbed of the MVP last year I disagree.
If A-Rod would of played defense like he did this year, you would of been right. But many writers said he played almost Gold-Glove caliber 3rd base last year. And if you look at their Avg, Runs, HRs, and RBI's it was pretty close. Ortiz had 18 more RBI's, which is an important stat concerning MVP. A-rod had only one more HR, but hit 21 pts higher and scored 6 more runs. He also stole 21 bases, which was another way to be valuable, as he was not a liability on the bases, but actually able to take an extra base.
Because of defense and the steals, with other things being close to a wash, then I think the voters got it right. I am not of the school of thought that a DH cannot be MVP. But his main offensive stats would have to be singificantly higher. If Ortiz would have hit the same average as A-rod and scored as many runs, then maybe he should have gotten it, since he had 18 more RBI's then A-Rod.
Wow, a rational Yankee fan, I'm going to need a few moments to recover from the shock. ;D
In my opinion the MVP rewards value to a team and not necessarily a player's individual statistics. I know the line between those two can be fuzzy but I think there's an important distiction between the two. Ortiz's homerun numbers this year are outrageous but I don't think that should automatically make his an MVP candidate.
My point is the award should be solely based on an individaul's value to a team. That's why I think Rivera is and has been the most valuable Yankee over the last ten years. I'm not saying Jeter isn't great because he is but Rivera has been the ultimate stopper. I'm applying the same logic to Ortiz, he is so incredibly valuable to the Red Sox that I don't see how anyone could argue there is one player anywhere else in the AL whose team relies on him more.
As I said earlier, take Aron and Jeter off the Yankees and they are still an excellent team that is more than capable of winning it all, well except for the pitching. Take Ortiz off the Red Sox and any hope of them going to the playoffs is gone.
Now you make an excellent point regarding Manny, us Red Sox fans got a glimpse of what would happen without a good hitter behind Ortiz in the lineup, he becomes like Barry Bonds of a few years ago. Teams just won't pitch to him, when Manny quit on us at the end of the year Ortiz had many games where the opposing team walked him 3 times and pitched to him for 1 at bat. It was infuriating to watch as a Red Sox fan.
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maybe I'm biased, being a Twins fan, but I still think Morneau deserves serious consideration for MVP.
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ortiz has no shot. he doesn only one thing, hit home runs. only a few were solo shots, so theres your rbi's. not to mention half his home runs were hit to right field at fenway park. a routine flyball out anywhere else in the league. ortiz said a few weeks ago that "he deserved to be mvp because jeter only does good because he gets protection from the other guys in the yankee lineup. he then said jeter couldnt do anything in the red sox lineup, because it's weaker." not to mention a few other things. now how is putting down your team make you an mvp? to get back to the yankees getting killed by the tigers. ill probably get flammed for saying this but, i cant believe nobody is questioning things like how kenny rogers was hitting 94mph, when he is consistant at 86. its one thing when you have a few good games, it another when theres a sudden surge in power.
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You make many great points, as far as us Yankee fans would love to have Ortiz as DH, and the importance of Rivera. But as for Ortiz getting robbed of the MVP last year I disagree.
If A-Rod would of played defense like he did this year, you would of been right. But many writers said he played almost Gold-Glove caliber 3rd base last year. And if you look at their Avg, Runs, HRs, and RBI's it was pretty close. Ortiz had 18 more RBI's, which is an important stat concerning MVP. A-rod had only one more HR, but hit 21 pts higher and scored 6 more runs. He also stole 21 bases, which was another way to be valuable, as he was not a liability on the bases, but actually able to take an extra base.
Because of defense and the steals, with other things being close to a wash, then I think the voters got it right. I am not of the school of thought that a DH cannot be MVP. But his main offensive stats would have to be singificantly higher. If Ortiz would have hit the same average as A-rod and scored as many runs, then maybe he should have gotten it, since he had 18 more RBI's then A-Rod.
That's my point as well. Ortiz is a one-dimensional player. And yes I am aware that one dimension is crushing the shit out of the ball, but the award traditionally goes to a position player. For the record I would swap A-Rod for Ortiz in a heartbeat. Hell I'll even throw in Sheffield.
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ortiz has no shot. he doesn only one thing, hit home runs. only a few were solo shots, so theres your rbi's. not to mention half his home runs were hit to right field at fenway park. a routine flyball out anywhere else in the league. ortiz said a few weeks ago that "he deserved to be mvp because jeter only does good because he gets protection from the other guys in the yankee lineup. he then said jeter couldnt do anything in the red sox lineup, because it's weaker." not to mention a few other things. now how is putting down your team make you an mvp? to get back to the yankees getting killed by the tigers. ill probably get flammed for saying this but, i cant believe nobody is questioning things like how kenny rogers was hitting 94mph, when he is consistant at 86. its one thing when you have a few good games, it another when theres a sudden surge in power.
LOL, your statement is so incorrect as to be almost preposterous. Clearly you have no clue what you're talking about. It's a well known fact to anyone that actually follows baseball that Fenway isn't a ballpark for lefties but Yankee Stadium is.
Yankee Stadium has the short porch in right while in Fenway right field is 380' except for right down the line where the Pesky Pole is and Ortiz hits none of his homeruns right down the line.
Oh, and here's a fun fact for you since you clearly don't have many facts roaming around inside your head. Ortiz just tied Babe Ruth's record for homeruns hit on the road. Do you understand what that means? Ortiz hit 32 homeruns outside of Fenway, considering he hit 54 all season that means he only hit 22 at home. Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.
And one more little tidbit for you, if you have watched any of Ortiz's many many homeruns this year you'd know he crushes the ball. He never hits a cheap homerun. To call one of his homeruns at Fenway a routine flyball anywhere else is the epitome idiocy. ::)
One more thing there genius, Rogers wasn't actually hitting 94, that was just a reading on a tweaked radar gun. If you're stupid enough to believe Rogers could come anywhere close to 94 then you might want to give up on baseball and take up another hobby like watching pee wee football games where keeping score isn't really a big deal. ::)
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you could be right. i was tryng to recall what i just heard on the radio, wfan in ny. it was something about his hrs being all hit at fields with short right porches, his average hr distance is no where near ruths. and dont make judgements like i dont know anything about baseball. you have no idea about how much i know and where ive played. and your right kenny rogers wasnt hitting 94, they must have been using a differant gun for johnson i guess, because he was throwing the same he always does. as well as every other pitcher i saw that night.
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you could be right. i was tryng to recall what i just heard on the radio, wfan in ny. it was something about his hrs being all hit at fields with short right porches, his average hr distance is no where near ruths. and dont make judgements like i dont know anything about baseball. you have no idea about how much i know and where ive played. and your right kenny rogers wasnt hitting 94, they must have been using a differant gun for johnson i guess, because he was throwing the same he always does. as well as every other pitcher i saw that night.
I made judgements based on what you said and what you said was nonsense. If you want to be taken seriously on baseball then you can't say that right field in Fenway is short or that Ortiz hit half his homeruns in Fenway or that half his homeruns would be routine flyballs anywhere else. And the part about Rogers hitting 94, that's like saying Tom Glavine is going to hit 94. The only way that will happen is if the radar gun is tweaked.
Are you a Yankee fan because I'm curious how you didn't know that Yankee Stadium had such a short porch in right field while Fenway has a deep right field? This is widely known baseball knowledge yet you didn't know it.
Yeah, no way I should make assumptions on your baseball acumen? ::)
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The word is out...Torre will be back for another year. ::)
George has gotten old and very soft over the years. He makes decisions by committee and not from his own instincts. Its time for major changes in Yankee-land. Twenty years ago, Joe would have been out on his ass. George was crazy back then, but after 11 years I think Torre SHOULD go. Six years...no championships...unaccept able. Just my opinion, even though Torre's a good guy and its not all his fault.
Torre and everyone save Jeter, Rivera, Posada and Cano, should be given the boot. Sheffield, Giambi, May-Rod, Randy, even Mussina...I get all those bums out and eat the contracts. The Yankees always spend a bazillion dollars so they can afford to eat massive contracts.
Of course, as a Met fan I love all of this. I hope they make no changes. Now all can sit back an watch an exciting team that are the true Kings of New York. ;D
Edit: Of course Wang should definitely be kept as well. Big-time pitcher.
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The word is out...Torre will be back for another year. ::)
big mistake. remember when schilling had a bloody ankle at the 2004 ALCS and Torre did not have his players bunt? He didnt want to test schillings ankle and get almost guaranteed base runners. he lost them that series. He said that he didnt want to take the bats out of his hitters hands. I know what the players are saying now "torre didnt throw a pitch or swing a bat" No Kidding! But to have that talent and not win is sign that you have lost touch with your team.
PS- George still may fire him. He hasnt made up his mind 100%
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PS- George still may fire him. He hasnt made up his mind 100%
No, its official. I am listening to the Torre press conference right now.
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ya i just saw it on the ticker...torre will be back next season
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I made judgements based on what you said and what you said was nonsense. If you want to be taken seriously on baseball then you can't say that right field in Fenway is short or that Ortiz hit half his homeruns in Fenway or that half his homeruns would be routine flyballs anywhere else. And the part about Rogers hitting 94, that's like saying Tom Glavine is going to hit 94. The only way that will happen is if the radar gun is tweaked.
Are you a Yankee fan because I'm curious how you didn't know that Yankee Stadium had such a short porch in right field while Fenway has a deep right field? This is widely known baseball knowledge yet you didn't know it.
Yeah, no way I should make assumptions on your baseball acumen? ::)
fenway is 302 in right field. yankee staduim is 314 in right. it is widly known that fenway park demensions are bullshit too.
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fenway is 302 in right field. yankee staduim is 314 in right. it is widly known that fenway park demensions are bullshit too.
Perhaps you missed where I said this in my above post.
Yankee Stadium has the short porch in right while in Fenway right field is 380' except for right down the line where the Pesky Pole is and Ortiz hits none of his homeruns right down the line.
Just because you want to dispute the fact that Fenway isn't a leftie friendly park doesn't make it the case.
These are the undisputed facts. Yankee Stadium is leftie friendly and Fenway is more friendly for righties.
Damon hit more homeruns this year because of the short porch in Yankee Stadium, far more than he ever hit at Fenway. Fight the facts all you want that doesn't make you right, just more of a fool.
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Perhaps you missed where I said this in my above post.
Just because you want to dispute the fact that Fenway isn't a leftie friendly park doesn't make it the case.
These are the undisputed facts. Yankee Stadium is leftie friendly and Fenway is more friendly for righties.
Damon hit more homeruns this year because of the short porch in Yankee Stadium, far more than he ever hit at Fenway. Fight the facts all you want that doesn't make you right, just more of a fool.
fenway isnt lefty friendly? i believe they call it power ally for a reason. johnny damon hit more hr's because of the differance in his swing. if your such an expert it would be easy for you to see what changes mattingly made for him
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YES!$#!$! go Giants!!$ @%$ If they lose the NBA finals I'm throwing my 38" plasma out the window and kicking a mets fan in the ribs.
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fenway isnt lefty friendly? i believe they call it power ally for a reason. johnny damon hit more hr's because of the differance in his swing. if your such an expert it would be easy for you to see what changes mattingly made for him
Please allow me to give you a brief synopsis of your genius level posts.
First you state that Ortiz hit half his homeruns to right field in Fenway. Yet in actuality he only hit 22 homeruns at Fenway this year and only 7 of those were to dead right field. This proves at least in this instance YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. This link gives a breakdown of what park Ortiz hit his homeruns at and what field they were hit to.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/5909/home_runs.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/5909/home_runs.html)
Your next genius level post was your statement that half Ortiz's homeruns at Fenway would be routine outs at any other park. Look at the above link and you'll see that only 7 were hit to dead right field at Fenway and the average distance of those homeruns was 385.14 feet, this again proves that YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. Unless of course you are too stupid to realize that a 385.14 foot homerun to dead right field is a homerun in any ballpark on the planet.
Then your genius level baseball intellect decided that Fenway was a easy place for lefties to hit homeruns despite the fact that it is widely known that Fenway is NOT a good place for lefties to hit homeruns. Here is a quote regarding this subject from baseball.about.com "Which parks have the lowest homer rates? Petco Park is the easy one, and it is the worst from both sides of the plate. For lefties, Petco is followed by Kauffman Stadium (Kansas City), SBC Park (San Francisco), and Fenway Park (Boston). So for lefties only three other parks are worse to hit homeruns at.
Here is the link.
http://baseball.about.com/od/theballparkeffect/a/parkeffecthit.htm (http://baseball.about.com/od/theballparkeffect/a/parkeffecthit.htm)
Next, you claim Damon's jump in homeruns from 10 to 24 was not because of his now hitting in Yankee Stadium with the short right field porch 81 games a year but instead a change in his swing. ::)
Oh, and then you get upset because I dispute your ridiculous statements. I understand you're upset that the Yankees got their asses kicked by the Tigers, hell I'm upset the Red Sox sucked it up for the last two months of the year but that doesn't mean I'm going to start making stupid assertions that have no basis in fact.
LOL, I'm still shaking my head and laughing at your moronic statement about Ortiz's homeruns being routine flyballs. ::)
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i said i miss quoted what i heard on the radio. and your getting your evidence from about.com, now im shaking my head. find a website the has real mlb scouts giving info.
i will repeat, right field at fenway park is called POWER ALLY. if you have ever been to fenway did you actually see where the flags blow? i take it you have no experiance with actually playing baseball because if you did you know how much damon's hitting has changed. his avg. was 40 points lower this year, as well as more strikeouts. which shows you that the yanks are looking for more power, meaning he had to change his swing. theres your hr's. and i believe only one was hit less than 340.
i can make the same argument for ortiz.he went from 20 hrs when he was with minnesota, then 31 next year with boston. like you think it must have been because of the park.
and remember what he said "Come hit in this lineup, see how good you can be." ya great mvp
and dont forget he was hitting in front of manny the whole year which makes that statement bullshit.
i never said i was a yankee fan. but comparing jeter to ortiz. get real
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i said i miss quoted what i heard on the radio. and your getting your evidence from about.com, now im shaking my head. find a website the has real mlb scouts giving info.
i will repeat, right field at fenway park is called POWER ALLY. if you have ever been to fenway did you actually see where the flags blow? i take it you have no experiance with actually playing baseball because if you did you know how much damon's hitting has changed. his avg. was 40 points lower this year, as well as more strikeouts. which shows you that the yanks are looking for more power, meaning he had to change his swing. theres your hr's. and i believe only one was hit less than 340.
i can make the same argument for ortiz.he went from 20 hrs when he was with minnesota, then 31 next year with boston. like you think it must have been because of the park.
and remember what he said "Come hit in this lineup, see how good you can be." ya great mvp
and dont forget he was hitting in front of manny the whole year which makes that statement bullshit.
i never said i was a yankee fan. but comparing jeter to ortiz. get real
I don't mean this as a put down but your typing style is very difficult to follow. If you were more clear then I could more easily understand your point of view, no matter how ridiculous.
I don't care where you got your information you still came on here and stated that "half of Ortiz's homeruns were in Fenway and that they would be routine flyballs in any other park." I completely and utterly destroyed this point yet you still fight like a delusion convict.
You're argument about Johnny Damon is ridiculous, he was batting lead off. Do I really need to explain the role of a lead off hitter in that Yankee lineup or do you understand? Also, I just checked his homeruns for the year, he hit 12 of them to right field in Yankee Stadium, that is 48% of his total. He hit more homeruns to left field in Yankee Stadium this year than he hit all of last year with the Red Sox in any park. Yeah, Yankee stadium had nothing to do with it, it was his change in swing and the fact that the Yankees wanted him to hit for power from the leadoff position. ::)
Ortiz on the other hand hit 13% of his homeruns to right field in Fenway even though you said he hit half of them there.
Also, here's a link to the baseball almanac website, are you going to dispute their facts too? The link shows the "Power Alley" in fenway, you'll notice the dimensions in the power are 380 feet. I don't know about you but to me and everyone else on the planet 380 feet isn't a routine flyball.
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/stadium/fenway_park.shtml (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/stadium/fenway_park.shtml)
Oh, by the way explain to me what a baseball scout would know about the number of homeruns hit by lefties in Fenway? Foolish me thought that was left to the statistics people not the scouts.
What you said about Ortiz is insane because you don't look at facts. The fact remains (even though you hate it) that Ortiz doesn't hit a majority of his homeruns in Fenway and he doesn't hit a majority of the ones he hits in Fenway to right field. Yet Damon hit 14 of his 25 in Yankee Stadium and of those 14 he hit 12 to right field.
Is it possible for you to be wrong even more?
And get your facts straight (although why I would expect you to get them straight now I don't know) I never compared Ortiz to Jeter. They are two completely different players. Strictly from an offensive standpoint Ortiz is on another planet from Jeter but as a whole baseball player Jeter is on another planet from Ortiz. Comparing them is comparing apples to oranges.
Yes, he was hitting in front of Manny, so what? Ortiz is the most feared hitter in all of baseball, to claim anything else would be a lie. Who was Jeter hitting in front of? Oh that's right, Arod. You remember Arod don't you, he's the guy that's going to hit more homeruns than Aaron when it's all said and done, you know Arod the best baseball player on the planet.
Do you even think before you post or do you just type whatever blather your fingers will produce?
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I don't care where you got your information you still came on here and stated that "half of Ortiz's homeruns were in Fenway and that they would be routine flyballs in any other park." I completely and utterly destroyed this point yet you still fight like a delusion convict.
i keep telling you i missread a statistic. i took back what i said, but you keep bringing it up again and again.
You're argument about Johnny Damon is ridiculous, he was batting lead off. Do I really need to explain the role of a lead off hitter in that Yankee lineup or do you understand? Also, I just checked his homeruns for the year, he hit 12 of them to right field in Yankee Stadium, that is 48% of his total. He hit more homeruns to left field in Yankee Stadium this year than he hit all of last year with the Red Sox in any park. Yeah, Yankee stadium had nothing to do with it, it was his change in swing and the fact that the Yankees wanted him to hit for power from the leadoff position. ::)
again. ortiz hit more hrs at fenway then he did in minnesota. damon hit 11 of those hrs over 340 feet. if you dont believe he adjusted his swing then fine.
Ortiz on the other hand hit 13% of his homeruns to right field in Fenway even though you said he hit half of them there.
he hit 53% of all hits were flyballs to the right side
What you said about Ortiz is insane because you don't look at facts. The fact remains (even though you hate it) that Ortiz doesn't hit a majority of his homeruns in Fenway and he doesn't hit a majority of the ones he hits in Fenway to right field. Yet Damon hit 14 of his 25 in Yankee Stadium and of those 14 he hit 12 to right field.
if you think that ortiz didnt hit the majority of his hr's to right at fenway then im done arguing with you. out of the 12 hr's that damon hit 1 was less than 340'
Yes, he was hitting in front of Manny, so what? Ortiz is the most feared hitter in all of baseball, to claim anything else would be a lie. Who was Jeter hitting in front of? Oh that's right, Arod. You remember Arod don't you, he's the guy that's going to hit more homeruns than Aaron when it's all said and done, you know Arod the best baseball player on the planet.
are you kidding me. arod? do you follow arod this season at all?
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to clarify. the majority of hr's ortiz hit at FENWAY were to the right side
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to clarify. the majority of hr's ortiz hit at FENWAY were to the right side
Now your argument is that Ortiz hit the majority of those 22 homeruns to the right side? You mean the part that is 380' and 383'? Is that still a routine flyball at any other park?
I know it's become fashionable to bash Arod but don't lose sight of the fact that he's the best baseball player on the planet. And that one day he'll eclipse Aaron's all time homerun record. He also hit 35 homeruns with 121 RBI's and 90 walks this year. That's the same number of homeruns and more RBI's than Manny hit this year.
And think about this, Manny quit on the Red Sox so for more than a month Ortiz had no one hitting behind him to protect him.