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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: thisiskeith12 on October 09, 2006, 03:30:28 PM
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Why don't we try to get Phil Heath to post here some? I haven't really heard him say much and it'd be interesting to hear his opinions and thoughts. He's a promising rookie.
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He seems like a pretty cool guy from what I've heard.
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He already is a member, his sn= "thegift"
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He already is a member, his sn= "thegift"
You sure? Can you verify this to be true, BASTini?
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You sure? Can you verify this to be true, BASTini?
yes i am sure, doo-doo head.
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yes, bast is correct with this one..
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yes i am sure, doo-doo head.
Awww...SNAP! I haven't heard that one in a while..."doo doo head".
Thanks, BASTino.
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Hell ya we need Phil here. He is the future of the sport. We also need evan centopani and omar deckard as well!!!!!! Why arent these guys on the boards?
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He's to busy playing playstation. ;D
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Phil was supposed to be selling his DVD at the Olympia, the one for which there was a contest to name it -- anyone know if it's out yet and how to get one?
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He is here. :)
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He is here. :)
yes. he's just busy injecting himself with various I.V. drugs.
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Name: thegift
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;)
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Name: thegift
Posts: 63 (0.118 per day)
Position: Pros
Date Registered: April 20, 2005, 10:47:53 PM
Last Active: Today at 08:01:35 AM
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I wonder if he realizes yet that The Gift is really just the package in the mail.
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Yes, I PM'd Phil shortly after his first pro win and gave him congrats, asked him a few questions, and he sent me back a nice couple paragraphs of good info.....looks to me to be another Richard Jones kinda guy, nothin but class, he seemed like a real cool cat to me.
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Phil posts here now and then, but since some of the guys here felt the need to use their negativity and bash Phil, it is easier not to post for him. If you guys can respect the pros, and others, then perhaps they will post...
The DVD will be available in about 2 months. Preorder information will be up soon, and it will be a great DVD. For Phil Heath looks like he may be the winner of the 2007 Arnold Classic.
Phil's web site
http://www.phillipheath.com/
(http://www.phillipheath.com/images/phildvd.jpg)
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Phil posts here now and then, but since some of the guys here felt the need to use their negativity and bash Phil, it is easier not to post for him. If you guys can respect the pros, and others, then perhaps they will post...
The DVD will be available in about 2 months. Preorder information will be up soon, and it will be a great DVD. For Phil Heath looks like he may be the winner of the 2007 Arnold Classic.
Phil's web site
http://www.phillipheath.com/
How is calling attention to THE integral part of his success considered negative?
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I think Phil probably trains and eats as well as any pro, but I do agree it is disheartening that he probably started on the juice the day he lifted a dumbbell for the first time.
IF that were the case he wouldn't have nailed his form correctly and quickly development of asymmetry in his physique, I think it looks great
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How is calling attention to THE integral part of his success considered negative?
The problem with that is that you CAN'T prove DEFINITELY that his success IS infact the direct result of drug usage. As far as drug use goes, he IS on a level-playing field as they all use the same drugs. Do you ever consider the fact that you might be knocking on his hard work by speaking on which you nothing about? how do you know for a fact that he doesn't work hard to acheive what he has acheived, even given that he has incredible genetics?
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No, he looks pretty buff in pics from his college days also. It is beyond doubt that he has incredible genetics.
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Phil posts here now and then, but since some of the guys here felt the need to use their negativity and bash Phil, it is easier not to post for him. If you guys can respect the pros, and others, then perhaps they will post...
The DVD will be available in about 2 months. Preorder information will be up soon, and it will be a great DVD. For Phil Heath looks like he may be the winner of the 2007 Arnold Classic.
Phil's web site
http://www.phillipheath.com/
Glad to hear Ron! You are the man!
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You also have to remember that he didn't train [or eat] to be a bb'er in college either. Probably didn't do much besides the usual lifting basketball players do(cleans, squats, bench). But that's besides the point since he's clearly shown for his superior genetics the 6-7 times that he's been up on stage...and to this day remains undefeated ;D
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Ofcourse, Alexxx is the king of BB 8)
You also have to remember that he didn't train [or eat] to be a bb'er in college either. Probably didn't do much besides the usual lifting basketball players do(cleans, squats, bench). But that's besides the point since he's clearly shown for his superior genetics the 6-7 times that he's been up on stage...and to this day remains undefeated ;D
There is no such thing as eating like a bodybuilder.
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He has been working out now specifically for bodybuilding since about Spring of 2003 right? So when do you think he started on gear?
No diss to his work ethic. It just seems to me that he started juicing the day he started training. He wouldn't be the only one.
Adonis is more mad at magazines like FLEX which boast about Phil's genetic superiority and write about his winning workouts as if to imply drugs are no part of the picture. Then again, FLEX is known for that.
Yeah i can understand the frustration but its a great marketing techinque which the WWE implemented whereby they inflate height and weight statistics etc. to seperate the wrestlers from the average person creating a super-human persona similarly in FLEX magazine they do not touch on the chemistry of bodybuilding but rather suggest these bodybuilders have created their physique with purely unattainable intensities in training and precise nutrition all factors considered creating that persona of super-human.
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There is no such thing as eating like a bodybuilder.
Yes there is! just ask Alex23, he follows the offseason diet 24/7/365
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There is no such thing as eating like a bodybuilder.
Whether your donut eating contests count for actual diets that bb'ing can benefit from is one thing, but to deny that bb'ers eat a certain way(that they believe gives them the best results) is nonsense. Whichever way he was eating, he probably wasn't eating in excess of his daily requirements for optimum muscle growth anyway.
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Thanks for all of your comments, good and bad it is all good as I am just trying to do my best at this wonderful sport.
As for my career is concerned, I was always in good shape which is why I earned a college scholarship. I didn't apply any workouts like the ones I perform now which in fact wouldn't have been beneficial in playing hoops. Many wonder why I was able to do so well so fast. Well, I can honestly say that it is not based on what most here think, but taking advantage of what my body is good at, bodybuilding. People bash pros on here all the time, which can get boring because they cause many of us to not post, which doesn't help those who want to learn about our success.
I am right now learning as much as I can from guys like Jay & Ronnie along with others such as my trainer/nutritionist Hany Rambod as they understand what it takes to become a world champion. I know that I have a long road ahead and I take upon that challenge, which is to become the best Phil Heath can be. I will try to contribute to some threads as long as there isn't any b.s., so to everyone out there, including the one's who hate, thank you and take care!
Phil
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Thanks for all of your comments, good and bad it is all good as I am just trying to do my best at this wonderful sport.
As for my career is concerned, I was always in good shape which is why I earned a college scholarship. I didn't apply any workouts like the ones I perform now which in fact wouldn't have been beneficial in playing hoops. Many wonder why I was able to do so well so fast. Well, I can honestly say that it is not based on what most here think, but taking advantage of what my body is good at, bodybuilding. People bash pros on here all the time, which can get boring because they cause many of us to not post, which doesn't help those who want to learn about our success.
I am right now learning as much as I can from guys like Jay & Ronnie along with others such as my trainer/nutritionist Hany Rambod as they understand what it takes to become a world champion. I know that I have a long road ahead and I take upon that challenge, which is to become the best Phil Heath can be. I will try to contribute to some threads as long as there isn't any b.s., so to everyone out there, including the one's who hate, thank you and take care!
Phil
Tell us.
What exactly ARE you learning.
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Thanks for all of your comments, good and bad it is all good as I am just trying to do my best at this wonderful sport.
As for my career is concerned, I was always in good shape which is why I earned a college scholarship. I didn't apply any workouts like the ones I perform now which in fact wouldn't have been beneficial in playing hoops. Many wonder why I was able to do so well so fast. Well, I can honestly say that it is not based on what most here think, but taking advantage of what my body is good at, bodybuilding. People bash pros on here all the time, which can get boring because they cause many of us to not post, which doesn't help those who want to learn about our success.
I am right now learning as much as I can from guys like Jay & Ronnie along with others such as my trainer/nutritionist Hany Rambod as they understand what it takes to become a world champion. I know that I have a long road ahead and I take upon that challenge, which is to become the best Phil Heath can be. I will try to contribute to some threads as long as there isn't any b.s., so to everyone out there, including the one's who hate, thank you and take care!
Phil
C'mon Phil.....everyone knows Hany likes to jack his guys up on mad gear! Keep it real Phil, Keep it real!
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Tell us.
What exactly ARE you learning.
The latest anti-catabolic drugs from France made for HIV/AIDS patients
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Thanks for all of your comments, good and bad it is all good as I am just trying to do my best at this wonderful sport.
As for my career is concerned, I was always in good shape which is why I earned a college scholarship. I didn't apply any workouts like the ones I perform now which in fact wouldn't have been beneficial in playing hoops. Many wonder why I was able to do so well so fast. Well, I can honestly say that it is not based on what most here think, but taking advantage of what my body is good at, bodybuilding. People bash pros on here all the time, which can get boring because they cause many of us to not post, which doesn't help those who want to learn about our success.
I am right now learning as much as I can from guys like Jay & Ronnie along with others such as my trainer/nutritionist Hany Rambod as they understand what it takes to become a world champion. I know that I have a long road ahead and I take upon that challenge, which is to become the best Phil Heath can be. I will try to contribute to some threads as long as there isn't any b.s., so to everyone out there, including the one's who hate, thank you and take care!
Phil
What do you think of Dexter Jackson saying about you "If Phil was the man he would be on the Olympia stage right now".
Discuss....
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cant wait for phil to chrush everyone at the arnold and take the title away from paper champ jay who got owned in the dutch grand prix. ronnie comes back and owns everyone and then phil and victor fight it out for the next 4-6 years, while jay slowly slides downhill.
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C'mon Phil.....everyone knows Hany likes to jack his guys up on mad gear! Keep it real Phil, Keep it real!
This is exactly the reason why pro's dont post here. He made one post and you post some ignorant shit like this.
How about you only post things that you would say to his face, and not smart ass comments that sound funny while your typing away on your cum stained keyboard.
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The problem with that is that you CAN'T prove DEFINITELY that his success IS infact the direct result of drug usage. As far as drug use goes, he IS on a level-playing field as they all use the same drugs. Do you ever consider the fact that you might be knocking on his hard work by speaking on which you nothing about? how do you know for a fact that he doesn't work hard to acheive what he has acheived, even given that he has incredible genetics?
So he's using..... all sorts of prohibited substances?? No!!!
He's 100% natural and proud of it.
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Phil, no one is saying you don't train with intensity and eat big. We're just also pointing out the fact that you and every other pro use a lot of gear to help you get where you are.
Forgive me - is something I said here untrue?
Didn't think so!
It's not called "hate" (except on mayhem) but "reality". Don't expect us to deny facts.
However, guys like TA and I would be far less vocal and even angry about this if more pros stopped touting genetic superiority and acknowledged the effectiveness of gear.
We get that you train hard and eat tons. What we also get is that the only difference between an IFBB pro and an NGA pro is an injection - despite upwards of 50-100 pounds more muscle. That difference lies 100% in a syringe. Just keep it real and you will have our respect.
Well for him to keep it real, he would first have to realize that he is not a genetic freak. That there is no such thing. Human beings are pretty much equal and that is why NOBODY can produce 5 people under 6 ft and 200 lbs ripped lifetime natural.
I seriously doubt Phil Heath would be "THE ONE" in 6,549,410,840 people to pull that off.
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This is exactly the reason why pro's dont post here. He made one post and you post some ignorant shit like this.
How about you only post things that you would say to his face, and not smart ass comments that sound funny while your typing away on your cum stained keyboard.
I'm on my way to Colorado right now!
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C'mon Phil.....everyone knows Hany likes to jack his guys up on mad gear! Keep it real Phil, Keep it real!
How do you know this and what proof do you have? If it is not from the source then it is nothing but rumor b.s. right? Many feel that is what Hany does, but if you worked with him, you would actually change your stance.
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Tell us.
What exactly ARE you learning.
Carb loading? ;D
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How do you know this and what proof do you have? If it is not from the source then it is nothing but rumor b.s. right? Many feel that is what Hany does, but if you worked with him, you would actually change your stance.
Well clear the air as they say.
Tell us a nugget of knowledge that the dear Hany Rambod whispers to you, as it seems his wisdom is fleeting and evaporates ever before it hits us layman.
So tell us, what have your little tête-à-têtes been about?
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Tell us.
What exactly ARE you learning.
I have actually learned quite a bit as I didn't bodybuild my whole entire life. I read about different training techniques, dieting books from the likes of Chris Aceto along with journals from various magazines. Most of all, I've been able to train with other pros who have been doing this for decades and never spoke about what you think about. I learned that I didn't need to use diuretics, but rather use things like vitamin C, dandelion root extract and manipulation with carbs, protein, fats and especially sodium for contest dieting. I continue to read articles about health & fitness and even though you may not believe what I am saying, it is the truth and is why I have continued to succeed. I am sure you are an intelligent person who has read many of these same articles, books, etc., which has made you some quality gains.
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Well clear the air as they say.
Tell us a nugget of knowledge that the dear Hany Rambod whispers to you, as it seems his wisdom is fleeting and evaporates ever before it hits us layman.
So tell us, what have your little tête-à-têtes been about?
That type of info costs $$
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What do you think of Dexter Jackson saying about you "If Phil was the man he would be on the Olympia stage right now".
Discuss....
As for that remark, I was actually at the press conference and Dexter said, "If Phil was a champion, he would be here competing this weekend."
I didn't take it as disrespect, as I didn't understand his statement, so I decided not to respond. We all have sat out of one or more competitions because of our own personal reasons, so that is what I did. He and I spoke at the Olympia Victory Gala and things were all good, so I wouldn't take what he said personal.
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Thanks for all of your comments, good and bad it is all good as I am just trying to do my best at this wonderful sport.
As for my career is concerned, I was always in good shape which is why I earned a college scholarship. I didn't apply any workouts like the ones I perform now which in fact wouldn't have been beneficial in playing hoops. Many wonder why I was able to do so well so fast. Well, I can honestly say that it is not based on what most here think, but taking advantage of what my body is good at, bodybuilding. People bash pros on here all the time, which can get boring because they cause many of us to not post, which doesn't help those who want to learn about our success.
I am right now learning as much as I can from guys like Jay & Ronnie along with others such as my trainer/nutritionist Hany Rambod as they understand what it takes to become a world champion. I know that I have a long road ahead and I take upon that challenge, which is to become the best Phil Heath can be. I will try to contribute to some threads as long as there isn't any b.s., so to everyone out there, including the one's who hate, thank you and take care!
Phil
Good post Phil. You hit the nail on the head. You do what you are good at....Bodybuilding. I am nowhere near you level genetically (although i ain't bad ;D) and I can relate to people assuming that drugs are the sole reason you look the way you do. I'm not naive to the pro regimen but your god given structure and muscle shape are what make you what you are. Your 220 lbs. is in a different league that some gym rat on Tests' 220 lbs.
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That type of info costs $$
thank you for pointing that one out bro. feel free to write Hany Rambod and he will most likely post it in his next article in MD.
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I have actually learned quite a bit as I didn't bodybuild my whole entire life. I read about different training techniques, dieting books from the likes of Chris Aceto along with journals from various magazines. Most of all, I've been able to train with other pros who have been doing this for decades and never spoke about what you think about. I learned that I didn't need to use diuretics, but rather use things like vitamin C, dandelion root extract and manipulation with carbs, protein, fats and especially sodium for contest dieting. I continue to read articles about health & fitness and even though you may not believe what I am saying, it is the truth and is why I have continued to succeed. I am sure you are an intelligent person who has read many of these same articles, books, etc., which has made you some quality gains.
No. I believe you. You wouldn`t have wasted the time to type that if that were not true. I guess I got a terrible impression by the way the magazines touted you. Of course I know better than to believe propaganda, especially of the comic book nature that is found in those magazines. I did read a few of your interviews and I had to laugh at how juvenile the writers characterized you as such. The only thing missing was some hot oil,a steam bath and a Liberace record. They gayed it up so bad that it made me sick.
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No. I believe you. You wouldn`t have wasted the time to type that if that were not true. I guess I got a terrible impression by the way the magazines touted you. Of course I know better than to believe propaganda, especially of the comic book nature that is found in those magazines. I did read a few of your interviews and I had to laugh at how juvenile the writers characterized you as such. The only thing missing was some hot oil,a steam bath and a Liberace record. They gayed it up so bad that it made me sick.
really? what magazine are you reading? Colt?
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Good post Phil. You hit the nail on the head. You do what you are good at....Bodybuilding. I am nowhere near you level genetically (although i ain't bad ;D) and I can relate to people assuming that drugs are the sole reason you look the way you do. I'm not naive to the pro regimen but your god given structure and muscle shape are what make you what you are. Your 220 lbs. is in a different league that some gym rat on Tests' 220 lbs.
Thank you for that post. No matter how hard I try to swing my golf club, it never goes straight consistently and has been like that throughout my life. I also played bball in college and realized that there were some kids in high school better than division 1a superstars which showed me first hand that it is mostly genetics. Some people take on certain tasks, sports, educational tools faster than others which would make me feel that some type of gene is involved.
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Phil,
What is the most prominent thing you have learned going from an NPC competitor to an IFBB pro?
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Thank you for that post. No matter how hard I try to swing my golf club, it never goes straight consistently and has been like that throughout my life. I also played bball in college and realized that there were some kids in high school better than division 1a superstars which showed me first hand that it is mostly genetics. Some people take on certain tasks, sports, educational tools faster than others which would make me feel that some type of gene is involved.
I agree, because Hand/Eye coordination, reflexes and dexterity are genetic too.
Your post was very well thought out, but you forgot the part where you tell me how good I look for a natty 8)
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Phil,
What is the most prominent thing you have learned going from an NPC competitor to an IFBB pro?
up the dosage
train harder, be consistent!!
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Phil,
What is the most prominent thing you have learned going from an NPC competitor to an IFBB pro?
Realizing that my diet has to become more efficient, especially while traveling for appearances because it is very easy to fall off track.
I got the opportunity to see Lee Haney at last year's nationals in Atlanta and his training parter talked about how he never missed a workout especially when on the road. I also hung out with Jay Cutler and Ronnie Coleman at different times throughout the past year and both of them eat clean, even late in the evening, which many of us wouldn't. Accountability for my actions has increased since turning pro, such as going out boozing and eating terribly. I used to do that in college and even before I became a national bodybuilder and I learned quickly that I had a chance at being a better bodybuilder so I minimized my outings and in turn took upon learning more about the sport. I hope that helps a bit. Oh, sticking to the gameplan no matter what because I have learned that many pros fall off track because of distractions, which can be easy because of one being idolized in mags and stuff. Once you allow what is said in the mags to soak into your mind, you are finished because believing in your own hype never stimulates harder work ethic.
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Realizing that my diet has to become more efficient, especially while traveling for appearances because it is very easy to fall off track.
I got the opportunity to see Lee Haney at last year's nationals in Atlanta and his training parter talked about how he never missed a workout especially when on the road. I also hung out with Jay Cutler and Ronnie Coleman at different times throughout the past year and both of them eat clean, even late in the evening, which many of us wouldn't. Accountability for my actions has increased since turning pro, such as going out boozing and eating terribly. I used to do that in college and even before I became a national bodybuilder and I learned quickly that I had a chance at being a better bodybuilder so I minimized my outings and in turn took upon learning more about the sport. I hope that helps a bit. Oh, sticking to the gameplan no matter what because I have learned that many pros fall off track because of distractions, which can be easy because of one being idolized in mags and stuff. Once you allow what is said in the mags to soak into your mind, you are finished because believing in your own hype never stimulates harder work ethic.
How do you fell about the mind/muscle connection? I'm not being facetious I believe those that can effectively isolate a muscle and have a thorough understanding of kinesology make better progress. It's the difference between simply getting the weight up or getting results IMO
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Phil, in Muscle and Fitness you gave your diet. I only saw 1 protein shake listed and that appears to be your post workout shake( meal #4). Is that diet true or something for the mags? Also how much cardio do you do?
I added up everything and it doesn't add to 400 grams as you stated in M&D
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Realizing that my diet has to become more efficient, especially while traveling for appearances because it is very easy to fall off track.
I got the opportunity to see Lee Haney at last year's nationals in Atlanta and his training parter talked about how he never missed a workout especially when on the road. I also hung out with Jay Cutler and Ronnie Coleman at different times throughout the past year and both of them eat clean, even late in the evening, which many of us wouldn't. Accountability for my actions has increased since turning pro, such as going out boozing and eating terribly. I used to do that in college and even before I became a national bodybuilder and I learned quickly that I had a chance at being a better bodybuilder so I minimized my outings and in turn took upon learning more about the sport. I hope that helps a bit. Oh, sticking to the gameplan no matter what because I have learned that many pros fall off track because of distractions, which can be easy because of one being idolized in mags and stuff. Once you allow what is said in the mags to soak into your mind, you are finished because believing in your own hype never stimulates harder work ethic.
who do you think trains harder Jay or Ronnie?
You could learn a thing or two from training with Jay. I dont think there is any pro that trains harder than Jay. The volume on his workouts are insane. I mean 20+ sets for quads only, that is hard training.
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any thoughts on the Mr.Getbig contest?
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I am getting ready for bed, but I promise to answer these questions tomorrow ok.
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Realizing that my diet has to become more efficient, especially while traveling for appearances because it is very easy to fall off track.
I got the opportunity to see Lee Haney at last year's nationals in Atlanta and his training parter talked about how he never missed a workout especially when on the road. I also hung out with Jay Cutler and Ronnie Coleman at different times throughout the past year and both of them eat clean, even late in the evening, which many of us wouldn't. Accountability for my actions has increased since turning pro, such as going out boozing and eating terribly. I used to do that in college and even before I became a national bodybuilder and I learned quickly that I had a chance at being a better bodybuilder so I minimized my outings and in turn took upon learning more about the sport. I hope that helps a bit. Oh, sticking to the gameplan no matter what because I have learned that many pros fall off track because of distractions, which can be easy because of one being idolized in mags and stuff. Once you allow what is said in the mags to soak into your mind, you are finished because believing in your own hype never stimulates harder work ethic.
Now this is the Phil we all like to see. The semblance of truth shines through like a beacon of hope. Hope,that the light of truth that has just been lit, does not die out, but instead, illuminates the way continuing to guide and not mislead.
This is the real info people want. They don`t want sugar-coated man love articles infested with your latest and "greatest" bicep routine ever. As if you actually followed the same workout week after week. That kind of knowledge is useless. We like to know what you do. What was your last trip to the Grocery store like and what did you buy? Even the most simple and basic thing can be interesting. You are a PRO bodybuilder. Your experiences in life should be totally different than anyone elses and would prove to be very interesting on a social scale. We are not PROS, but at the same time we do realize that you are just like us, just enhanced. Being accessible is the best thing you can possibly do, yet so few do it.
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You guys have to remember, it is a priviledge for the pros to post on here. They could easily not say anything or either go to another board.
We need to be more compassionate and respectful to guys like Chic, Priest, Kamali, Flex, Ray, Mentis, Phil, etc...
Im glad you came back on here Phil.....It is awesome to have you back... your true fans miss you and welcome you back.
We can learn so much from you and we await the knowledge you can share with us...
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I learned that I didn't need to use diuretics, but rather use things like vitamin C, dandelion root extract and manipulation with carbs, protein, fats and especially sodium for contest dieting.
IMO, diuretics are the worst and the most overrated thing in bodybuilding
if you already are in shape, why fuck everything up by taking diuretics and make yourself look flat :-\
most of the time, the competitors looks better a week out from the show and they don't even realise that their deshydratation methods fuck them up more than anything else
good to have you here again phil, you are the man
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How do you fell about the mind/muscle connection? I'm not being facetious I believe those that can effectively isolate a muscle and have a thorough understanding of kinesology make better progress. It's the difference between simply getting the weight up or getting results IMO
Harnessing the power of your motor-neurons to facilitate a "mind to muscle connection" would best be done on a sub-concious level. In a sub-concious state the mind is EXTREMELY powerful and you would be able to totally take advantage of this phenomena to synapse with muscle fibers in order to make peak contractions.
A sub-concious effort is a powerful one. Now Groink, you mentioned Reaction time and Dexterity earlier. Now these things are also a response to stimuli in a particular enviroment. With that in mind, have you ever been driving down the road and an animal jumps out, yet you swerve without even thinking in the correct direction at lightning speed?
That is a POWERFUL SUBCONCIOUS "Mind to muscle connection". Your brain totally took over without you putting any thought into it and at that moment you became INSTANTLY ALERT,STRONGER and POWERFUL. Your muscle contractions fired at an alarming rate with your absolute power to move that wheel accurately and with speed and force in a perfect manner...Or as perfect as your brain would allow. This also causes adrenaline levels to surge. This power is the power we need to tap into as naturals. There is much research in the area of Neuroscience regarding the power of the Sub Concious state. I just thought you might find that interesting and I will surely read more on this matter and let you know what I find.
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You have to factor in bone structure, muscle insertions, and the majority of muscle fibers one carries. This is where Phil is blessed. The whole assertion of "gear" being the sole factor for a superior physique is false and overly redudant.
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I am right now learning as much as I can from guys like Jay & Ronnie ...
Oh, god no! Please seek advice elsewhere -- don't ruin your physique! Talk instead to guys like Vince Taylor, Milos Sarcev, Charles Glass, Shawn Ray.
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Harnessing the power of your motor-neurons to facilitate a "mind to muscle connection" would best be done on a sub-concious level. In a sub-concious state the mind is EXTREMELY powerful and you would be able to totally take advantage of this phenomena to synapse with muscle fibers in order to make peak contractions.
A sub-concious effort is a powerful one. Now Groink, you mentioned Reaction time and Dexterity earlier. Now these things are also a response to stimuli in a particular enviroment. With that in mind, have you ever been driving down the road and an animal jumps out, yet you swerve without even thinking in the correct direction at lightning speed?
That is a POWERFUL SUBCONCIOUS "Mind to muscle connection". Your brain totally took over without you putting any thought into it and at that moment you became INSTANTLY ALERT,STRONGER and POWERFUL. Your muscle contractions fired at an alarming rate with your absolute power to move that wheel accurately and with speed and force in a perfect manner...Or as perfect as your brain would allow. This also causes adrenaline levels to surge. This power is the power we need to tap into as naturals. There is much research in the area of Neuroscience regarding the power of the Sub Concious state. I just thought you might find that interesting and I will surely read more on this matter and let you know what I find.
Thanks.. Phil :-X
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Can I be considered a genetic freak? Can you, Matt? Can Adonis?
Ive been natural for quite some time now ;)
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Can I be considered a genetic freak? Can you, Matt? Can Adonis?
Ive been natural for quite some time now ;)
he said if you still look awesome.
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Can I be considered a genetic freak? Can you, Matt? Can Adonis?
Ive been natural for quite some time now ;)
A genetic freak would solely be a rarity which usually complicates homeostasis on differeing levels creating health problems. A genetic freak would exhibit the wrong DNA coding and would be exhibiting a mutation. When this happens other areas will suffer as a result.
Genetic Freaks would include the 8`11 tall Robert Wadlow, Andre The Giant on a smaller scale of freakdom and anyone who exhibits a Mutation of epic proportions. hah
Be lucky that none of us on this site, so far, are genetic freaks.....That in fact we are normal is a good thing.
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You have to factor in bone structure, muscle insertions, and the majority of muscle fibers one carries. This is where Phil is blessed. The whole assertion of "gear" being the sole factor for a superior physique is false and overly redudant.
Good to see you posting here Peter. Congratulations on getting married.
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I was in WalMart the other day and flipped through a Flex mag. There was a picture of Phil in it ( left had page,) which just about made me shit! The mass, the lines . . . unreal!
I love the web for it's quick info, but the clarity of the pics in the mag are so much better.
The Beef
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"Equality" is a myth. Human beings are born with different innate abilities. Intelligence, athletic ability, and physical appearance are almost entirely determined by genetics. No amount of hard work will ever make up for a lack of natural talent. That's a tough fact of life that a lot of people have trouble accepting. Very few people have the IQ's to be Nobel Prize winning scientists, and only a few people have the natural athletic ability to make it big in professional sports. Likewise, only a very small number of people will ever amount to anything in the world of bodybuilding. There are thousands and thousands of hardcore steroid users who look like nothing special. People like Ronnie, Jay, and Phil are in the genetic elite. Deal with it.
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Well for him to keep it real, he would first have to realize that he is not a genetic freak. That there is no such thing. Human beings are pretty much equal and that is why NOBODY can produce 5 people under 6 ft and 200 lbs ripped lifetime natural.
I seriously doubt Phil Heath would be "THE ONE" in 6,549,410,840 people to pull that off.
I nominate this for one of the most ignorant posts of the year.
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"Equality" is a myth. Human beings are born with different innate abilities. Intelligence, athletic ability, and physical appearance are almost entirely determined by genetics. No amount of hard work will ever make up for a lack of natural talent. That's a tough fact of life that a lot of people have trouble accepting. Very few people have the IQ's to be Nobel Prize winning scientists, and only a few people have the natural athletic ability to make it big in professional sports. Likewise, only a very small number of people will ever amount to anything in the world of bodybuilding. There are thousands and thousands of hardcore steroid users who look like nothing special. People like Ronnie, Jay, and Phil are in the genetic elite. Deal with it.
Yes, but people don't want to know this so shhhhhh.....
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Phil, no one is saying you don't train with intensity and eat big. We're just also pointing out the fact that you and every other pro use a lot of gear to help you get where you are.
Forgive me - is something I said here untrue?
Didn't think so!.
Phil since MattC is on another of his crusades here.....and since its widely known by people in the know that you were 100% clean for your first 2 bodybuilding shows which you absolutely dominated (and were big shows).....can you comment to MattC (even though it ruins his pipedream) that there are people in this world with exceptional genetics for certain endeavors (like bodybuilding),......... and that reason and that reason alone is why no matter how hard someone tries, they cannot become Michael Jordan, and cannot beat Carl Lewis in a 100 meter dash and cannot be an all around athlete of the standard of Bo Jackson etc..etc...etc ......
Nevermind Phil no comment neccessary, I think I already did it for you.
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Phil since MattC is on another of his crusades here.....and since its widely known by people in the know that you were 100% clean for your first 2 bodybuilding shows which you absolutely dominated (and were big shows).....can you comment to MattC (even though it ruins his pipedream) that there are people in this world with exceptional genetics for certain endeavors (like bodybuilding),......... and that reason and that reason alone is why no matter how hard someone tries, they cannot become Michael Jordan, and cannot beat Carl Lewis in a 100 meter dash and cannot be an all around athlete of the standard of Bo Jackson etc..etc...etc ......
Nevermind Phil no comment neccessary, I think I already did it for you.
agree 100 %
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I will PAYPAL you 500 dollars in your account if you can find 5 Lifetime Naturals that fall into or exceed that criteria.
Until then. Shut your piehole. There are men here talking.
Yeah and we all know that Mindspin carrys through with the forum bets(sarcasm)..... :'(
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So Phil what will be your next show, is the Arnold anywhere in the future - gotta jump in there and mix it up with the big dogs ;D
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Welcome Phil, Its awesome to have you posting on here again. Nevermind the negativity, most of us on here are stoked to have you on here. We welcome your unput and hope to benefit from your advice.
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Now this is the Phil we all like to see. The semblance of truth shines through like a beacon of hope. Hope,that the light of truth that has just been lit, does not die out, but instead, illuminates the way continuing to guide and not mislead.
This is the real info people want. They don`t want sugar-coated man love articles infested with your latest and "greatest" bicep routine ever. As if you actually followed the same workout week after week. That kind of knowledge is useless. We like to know what you do. What was your last trip to the Grocery store like and what did you buy? Even the most simple and basic thing can be interesting. You are a PRO bodybuilder. Your experiences in life should be totally different than anyone elses and would prove to be very interesting on a social scale. We are not PROS, but at the same time we do realize that you are just like us, just enhanced. Being accessible is the best thing you can possibly do, yet so few do it.
Adonis you are playing with with Mr Phil Heath.
Most of the time you are not interested in these guys
So don´t make him ridiculously
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Phil Heath, when did you get the most attention from girls: when you were a basketball player, when you were an amateur bodybuilder, or now that you are pro?
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Phil, why do you want people to help name your DVD? Is it because all the best titles have already been taken and you can't come up with something original?
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jUST CALLED IT "THE GIFT"
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Wow, didn't know he was going to call it that. ::)
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Phil in heat is a nice name for the dvd :)
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I'm not sure how this counters any of my points. Can you please quote anything at all I said that is refuted by what you said above? This is just you refuting a strawman. Never did I say anything that would be refuted with your comments here.
Reminds of my mother's pathetic rebuttals when she tries to debate with me about religion. Nothing more than strawmen attacks, because she has the debating skills of a 12 year old.
I've been the lowest of the low on this board before, but being disrespectful to my Mother, NEVER. Dude you should be ashamed of yourself.
The Beef
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...and since its widely known by people in the know that you were 100% clean for your first 2 bodybuilding shows which you absolutely dominated
100% clean, not even a fat burner ???
Can this be verifyied and DOGGCRAPP what other pro has done this ??
I dont think he had the same Tricep mass I do in my avatar though !!
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Have you ever considered using Dogcrap training to speed up your gains? It's no secret by now that if you rinse your beef, oil up your shakes and stretch until it hurts that you'll blow up huge and smoke everyone. David Henry is a prime example of this, why look at his massive hamstrings! They're savagely huge! What's the word Phil?
I also heard rumors that Mentzer's "Rest/Pause"-training principles are back again!!
So Phil, tell us about your training please!
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100% clean, not even a fat burner ???
Can this be verifyied and DOGGCRAPP what other pro has done this ??
I dont think he had the same Tricep mass I do in my avatar though !!
normal person clean and pro bodybuilding clean are 2 different things.
clean to them is someone that uses minimal dosage
think about it, he went from playing basketball to very a muscular fellow by "eating right". Lane and other naturals are probably dying with laughter
I like Heath, I thought that he won Colorado...New York, lets just say I saw it a different way.
I think it was in MD that I read that Phil had a shoulder injury from a long time ago that caused him symetry issues and that he had to use "un even" weights to allow the laggin body parts to catch up.
I would love to see him onstage with Dexter, Melvin, JJ and RR
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what you described is called a reflex adonis and the priciples of reflexes are that they are not under our control. like most things aren't they all have a implicit connection because our conscious reactions are too slow. you cannot gain control of reflexes and use them in bodybuilding ::). you act as if you know something about a topic but post ignorant banter about controlling reflexes and using the sub-conscious. if you looked up the definition of sub-conscious your whole premise would become silly even to you.
and yes there are naturals that are over 200 pounds go to the nfl for references.
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what you described is called a reflex adonis and the priciples of reflexes are that they are not under our control. like most things aren't they all have a implicit connection because our conscious reactions are too slow. you cannot gain control of reflexes and use them in bodybuilding ::). you act as if you know something about a topic but post ignorant banter about controlling reflexes and using the sub-conscious. if you looked up the definition of sub-conscious your whole premise would become silly even to you.
and yes there are naturals that are over 200 pounds go to the nfl for references.
Your whole post is incorrect.
Do some research or are you going to make me do it for you?
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I like Phil's Getbig handle.
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Phil Heath, when did you get the most attention from girls: when you were a basketball player, when you were an amateur bodybuilder, or now that you are pro?
I'd say when I was in college playing hoops because more women liked hoopers and I had some muscle so it got some dates.
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Phil, why do you want people to help name your DVD? Is it because all the best titles have already been taken and you can't come up with something original?
I just wanted to involve the fans of the sport because this is your sport too. I had many titles in mind, but again wanted to engage with you guys.
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Cant wait for the DVD to come out!
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So Phil what will be your next show, is the Arnold anywhere in the future - gotta jump in there and mix it up with the big dogs ;D
No doubt its the Arnold Classic for me in '07 baby!
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I also heard rumors that Mentzer's "Rest/Pause"-training principles are back again!!
So Phil, tell us about your training please!
As for now, I am training with extreme high volume kind of like Jay as it has helped gain some added size and keep some decent offseason conditioning.
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Phil....Id like to know your take on meal replacement bars...do you recommend them?
What do you do when you have sweet cravings or cravings for BK or freakin Cinzetti's (All you can eat Italian Buffet here in Denver)
Give me some tips bro!
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hey, phil, you looked pretty big at the Olympia expo. So many people are now expecting you to probably win the Arnold, any thought on Dexter jackson?
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Phil....Id like to know your take on meal replacement bars...do you recommend them?
What do you do when you have sweet cravings or cravings for BK or freakin Cinzetti's (All you can eat Italian Buffet here in Denver)
Give me some tips bro!
Bars I don't eat, but if I would eat them in place of a snickers or something like that. As for cravings, I just add some peanut butter in my shakes which for me makes it sweeter. I cannot lie and say that I haven't enjoy eating some junk, but I like eating homemade Italian from my fiancee with a slice of cheesecake. Never during contest prep, so I gotta get my cravings out within the next few weeks.
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thegift said
Bars I don't eat, but if I would eat them in place of a snickers or something like that. As for cravings, I just add some peanut butter in my shakes which for me makes it sweeter. I cannot lie and say that I haven't enjoy eating some junk, but I like eating homemade Italian from my fiancee with a slice of cheesecake. Never during contest prep, so I gotta get my cravings out within the next few weeks.
Thanks for the Advice, Phil!!
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You should consider trying something new and shocking regarding diet. :)
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Hey feel I had the pleasure to meet yo at NYpro show ( was helping mu buddy Greg Rando) and I saw you again at the Atlantic pro show, I notice a big gain in mass? is how heavy do you usually get off season or this is someting you trying out?
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Hey feel I had the pleasure to meet yo at NYpro show ( was helping mu buddy Greg Rando) and I saw you again at the Atlantic pro show, I notice a big gain in mass? is how heavy do you usually get off season or this is someting you trying out?
This has nothing to do with the topic so plz excuse me ppl, but maybe Greg doesn't do guest posings, but I know that emails sent to his account, which was gotten off his website, inquiring about having him guest pose were never returned. I only mention it as normally when we contact ppl to guest pose they respond back quite quickly, I assume that the Caribbean locale does it. Just thought I would mention it, in case someone is dropping the ball on checking his email for him and he is losing out on opportunites.Of course, maybe he just ignored us ;D
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This has nothing to do with the topic so plz excuse me ppl, but maybe Greg doesn't do guest posings, but I know that emails sent to his account, which was gotten off his website, inquiring about having him guest pose were never returned. I only mention it as normally when we contact ppl to guest pose they respond back quite quickly, I assume that the Caribbean locale does it. Just thought I would mention it, in case someone is dropping the ball on checking his email for him and he is losing out on opportunites.Of course, maybe he just ignored us ;D
I'm 100% sure he did not get them, can you plz sent me a pm about this I make sure this won't append again. (I know he had his pc down for a while). And nope he would never ignore you a request or at least give a response.
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This has nothing to do with the topic so plz excuse me ppl, but maybe Greg doesn't do guest posings, but I know that emails sent to his account, which was gotten off his website, inquiring about having him guest pose were never returned. I only mention it as normally when we contact ppl to guest pose they respond back quite quickly, I assume that the Caribbean locale does it. Just thought I would mention it, in case someone is dropping the ball on checking his email for him and he is losing out on opportunites.Of course, maybe he just ignored us ;D
Shouldn`t that be obvious as to why he did not get them?
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Whats up Phil!
Great seeing you at the Olympia and hope things are well. Lana's afterparty was very cool but we left before they went to the second club (we're tired and boring these days...hahaha).
We'll be at the Arnold and hopefully see Phil Heath as the next Arnold Champion!!
-John
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You should win it. You have the best genetics since Flex Wheeler.
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Shouldn`t that be obvious as to why he did not get them?
If you are making some comment referencing the fact that he is blind, re read my post, the entire point of it was I assume whoever reads them for him slacked off and he could be losing out, as he did in our case. No offense intended to you btw.
I'm 100% sure he did not get them, can you plz sent me a pm about this I make sure this won't append again. (I know he had his pc down for a while). And nope he would never ignore you a request or at least give a response.
Thanks. This was a few months ago, my only concern was I didn't want the guy losing out cause somone is not handing his email efficently..
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Phil,
You mentioned SODIUM as something you learned more about. I won't ask you how you manipulate sodium the final week, as it's Hany's info, but do you add sodium to your diet DURING your contest prep, or do you pretty much stick to a low sodium diet?
Best!
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If you are making some comment referencing the fact that he is blind, re read my post, the entire point of it was I assume whoever reads them for him slacked off and he could be losing out, as he did in our case. No offense intended to you btw.
Thanks. This was a few months ago, my only concern was I didn't want the guy losing out cause somone is not handing his email efficently..
your consern its well taken, thank you. was it an NPC show? where?
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your consern its well taken, thank you. was it an NPC show? where?
No problem, not really NPC but kind of, it was an IFBB amateur show in the Caribbean.
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No problem, not really NPC but kind of, it was an IFBB amateur show in the Caribbean.
If you get some time send me an email plz
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adonis i have a psychology degree and have done some neuroscience courses tell me how you tap into the sub-conscious to stimulate the mind muscle connection. it may become innate or learned response but in no way could you get the muscle fibers to fire in reflex like speed voluntarily.
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Family doesn't deserve any more love or respect than anyone else. My mom is ok but that isn't to say we get along about everything or that I need to agree or give her respect about everything.
My grandfather beat my mother's head into the wall everyday while she was growing up and she still goes on about how she is supposed to have love for him because "he's family." My mom stayed in a very unhappy relationship with my father because of the same traditional garbage. She ended up being the one to lose in all this because of her "loving" nature. I guess because old Italy teaches women garbage like "love is unconditional." Just to clarify, love IS conditional and anyone who thinks otherwise obviously has little to no self respect or has any idea what love means for that matter. Love should be formed under the basis that the other person doesn't beat you, steal from you until you're destitute, and most importantly, does not abuse the love you give them. If love means ANYTHING to you, it should damn well be conditional. To make it unconditional is to not even understand the preciousness of love in the first place.
The whole idea of putting your family ahead of others just because they are family is garbage and quite dangerous. My grandfather is a wife beating asshole and the day he dies will just be the day a scumbag leaves the earth. And I don't give two fucks that "he's family". If you beat your wife and kids you're a piece of shit in my book, whether you're related to me or not.
I think more people this day in age (atleast the younger generation) are finally coming to terms with what you said. There is no reason to treat anyone in your family kinder then someone you meet on the street, I know many whose lives have been fucked up because they put trust in people because they were family.
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I agree with this. I'm not saying extreme liberalism when it comes to this idea is necessarily a great idea, but neither is extreme conservatism. You should never love a person who beats you and will continue to do so. Makes no sense at all.
I read an article earlier this year that said over the past 6 years the number of people spending holidays with friends rather then family is sharply increasing. Just makes you think..............
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adonis i have a psychology degree and have done some neuroscience courses tell me how you tap into the sub-conscious to stimulate the mind muscle connection. it may become innate or learned response but in no way could you get the muscle fibers to fire in reflex like speed voluntarily.
Of course you can.
Simple Example.....Walk a skinny beam or tight rope or something simiar where balance is tested. Try it blindfolded as well.
Your muscles are forced to fire at a faster rate than your conciousness can process as you put more stress on different muscles to keep from falling off.
There are many examples, but that is just one.
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Yeah I agree that the whole 'family' title doesnt describe every family ...
Im just glad I have a family that does, and alot of times my freinds who dont have fam like me just tag along for holidays which is cool
MattC didnt mean to joke about your mom like that just playin round.
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that is not an example of voluntary control of simple reflex pathways. motor, interneuron, sensory nueron direct connection. i dont even no what point that example raises simple adrenaline response. a example of a reflex is ejaculation or knee jerk. you claim to be able to control this neural substrate per se voluntarily and often which is utter non-sense.
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can we please stop talking about matt c's bitterness towards his family...
the gift is the f*cking man. if i could stop chain smoking and lifted some iron i would want to look like him. show them guys how it's done at the AC phil ;D
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can we please stop talking about matt c's bitterness towards his family and sore ass hole...
the gift is the f*cking man. if i could stop chain smoking and lifted some iron i would want to look like him. show them guys how it's done at the AC phil ;D
haha thanks for the laugh and yeah go Phil!
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Phil,
You mentioned SODIUM as something you learned more about. I won't ask you how you manipulate sodium the final week, as it's Hany's info, but do you add sodium to your diet DURING your contest prep, or do you pretty much stick to a low sodium diet?
Best!
Thanks for the quesiton. As for adding sodium during contest prep, I don't that much, but it is hard to turn down salsa, as I get some homemade from my girl's family out here.
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A good salsa is the best. or guacamole dip...but you need a good tortilla chip to start it off. and a load of diet mt. dew.the best soda.
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Of course you can.
Simple Example.....Walk a skinny beam or tight rope or something simiar where balance is tested. Try it blindfolded as well.
Your muscles are forced to fire at a faster rate than your conciousness can process as you put more stress on different muscles to keep from falling off.
There are many examples, but that is just one.
I suppose doing squats on a swiss ball is another...
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Of course you can.
Simple Example.....Walk a skinny beam or tight rope or something simiar where balance is tested. Try it blindfolded as well.
Your muscles are forced to fire at a faster rate than your conciousness can process as you put more stress on different muscles to keep from falling off.
There are many examples, but that is just one.
So in effect....you are forcing yourself into survival mode.....interesting.
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You Guys who think gear is what its all about are wayyyyyyyy off or have never done it believe me Ive seen and had more gear in my hands then anyone Ive ever met and Ive met alot of ppl into this sport and others sports you need alot more then just some amps of sust gh slin or whatever to get big and look good not fat and sloppy so to back 'PHIL up with or without the "GEAR" u have to have it the dedication,genetics,the passion the time everything and last thing u need is the Gear..cuz with just the gear u all know i don't have to tell ya you will look like shit or 60% of gym rats would be walking around looking like IFBB pro's and not the BLOATED jacked up slobs that they do look like!. keep it up PHIL u got what it takes bro!
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Why do you want people to help name your DVD? Is it because all the best titles have already been taken and you can't come up with something original?
I think it is a great way to involve the fans with the IFBB pro rookie of the year. The responses, both in threads and via emails I heard were overwhelming. Phil Heath is the real thing - cool, respected and so far, a great bodybuilder. At the Olympia, and at the expo, he was cool to all...
The whole idea of putting your family ahead of others just because they are family is garbage and quite dangerous.
Families are a dangerous topic, and usually off limits because of the extreme hurt some people in families have caused. For a dicussion of this, better go to the General boards, but everybody can have a story.
You Guys who think gear is what its all about are wayyyyyyyy off
Now this statement is true. Gear is only a small part - you need training, diet, persistence, and even with all of these, it can not be enough. I have talked to hundreds of people who want to reach the pro ranks, and cannot for various reasons. Sometimes I laugh when I hear this comment...
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Strawman.
I never claimed genetic superiority. Not in bodybuilding at least. Maybe in math or something. ;)
Adam and I are trying to say that there really isn't any genetic superiority. Phil has an incredible structure though, even though he is narrow he has some great lines. That is one thing you can't find in a needle. Everything else in bodybuilding can be.
Adam isn't saying he would necessarily be Phil's size on juice - he's saying Phil would be his size off juice. Nobody is denying Phil has had an amazing response to hormones and Adam and I sure as hell aren't saying we would respond in the same way.
Again, is something I said here untrue? It only makes some of you guys mad because what we say is a tough pill to swallow. But it sure beats the sperm swallowing posts that are required on mayhem.
I'll give you this - Adam and I being so repetitive must get damn annoying. I'm going to make an effort to not be as repetitive. That said, you may look at me as arrogant or whatever you want - you should be able to forgive this because I speak the truth. It's ok to be a know-it-all when you do know it all (gh15).
I'll have more pics and clips coming along the way soon enough. I have nothing to be ashamed of which is why I'll keep posting pics regardless.
Matt C you are small for a natural. Maybe perhaps you need to train more and stop worrying about people who use juice, that was bigger than you when they was natural.
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Do Incline and Flat Bench DB press with the DB together and palms facing each other.
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Brutal tangents, monster pseudoscience, and epic egos.
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Come off that split training, try some of the higher frequency stuff. Use periodisation to your advatnage, my friend 8)
That is some INCREDIBLE progress Matt. Much respect. Crazy transformation 8)
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there is genetic superiority matt, you dont seem to understand that. phil would be much bigger then you or adonis naturally. why are some people naturally lean and some not? it has to do with genes. gear is a big part but seriously im a natty and absolutely dwarf you. but you seem to be able to stay pretty lean. point is i might have better genetics for strength and size and you for metabolism. there are genetic mutants and your generalization is a slap in the face to logic.
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Phil was larger, leaner and had better lines/ symmetry than most on this board when he was natural and barely lifting. At first it pissed me off but why hate a guy if he's gifted in a certain area. The sky is limit for Phil, not just because of his physique but also for the person he is.
Anyone who doesn't like Phil should go meet him in person and see if your ideas about him change.
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Matt C...
I got up to 220 pounds naturally.....when I decided to "better myself" I eventually got to be over 260. At one point....I almost broke 290 pounds but I almost became a fatass because I just ate and ate :)
In high school, I use to play sports at 150-160 (wrestling) then 170.
When I got out of high school, I grew even more and broke the 200 pound barrier.
When I was younger, I took the advice from people I knew from the gym to start eating and training better and it has paid off. Knowledge is key...
If someone were to tell me in my youth that I would eventually get to be over 270-280 pounds at one point in my life, I would have never believed them.
*My mom is not even 5 feet tall. My dad is only about 5'7" or 5'8". Yet Im 5'10" and a half....
*I was always teased about being a bony kid in my youth.
*I had a really fast metabolism back then, that no matter what I ate, I would always burn it. I was the typical hardgainer (ectomorph).
I would have never broken this limitation if I didnt learn how to from people that taught me the right way....
Its true that this sport and its athletes are enhanced but to say its only drugs is downright crazy. You are forgetting about hard work such as training, eating, dieting, sleeping, etc. Bodybuilders are athletes and put an incredible amount of stress on their bodies challenge themselves to be the best they can be.
I believe that limitations can be broken to some degree but it takes a lot of hard work and dedication and persistance.
Ive seen some people from getbig in person and I ask myself, "do some of these people really train or are they just on here to blast people and put people down?" If you dont go to the gym regularly or arent a fan of this sport...then why are you here? Why cause stress or hardship to someone else's life?
There is so much we can learn from Phil Heath and the pros on this board. Why all this bashing, people?
I for one am glad that Phil has posted back on here because I am going to learn from any advice he gives us. And I hope you guys dont push him off of here...
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there is genetic superiority matt, you dont seem to understand that. phil would be much bigger then you or adonis naturally. why are some people naturally lean and some not? it has to do with genes. gear is a big part but seriously im a natty and absolutely dwarf you. but you seem to be able to stay pretty lean. point is i might have better genetics for strength and size and you for metabolism. there are genetic mutants and your generalization is a slap in the face to logic.
Leaness has to do with the food you consume and not genetics.
You do not inherit 350 grams of protein in your mouth and an over-abundance of calories from your parents causing you to be fat.
It is individual on how food is processed, but at ANY LEVEL OR AGE, adjustments can be made to reflect any desired result....That is.........IF.........yo u have my FORMULA. :)
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Hey, what's up Phil? Welcome to Getbig!
I got on this thread a bit too late, as I didn't even know you were posting in it! Well I have a real serious question which relates to something I'm extremely curious about.
Bodybuilding, as a "sport", is something that is extraordinary in it's beauty and art. Bodybuilding as a lifestyle has the potential to transform the qualities of one's personality by teaching discipline, motivation, work ethic and a constant reassurance of success (such as through size and strength increases). Bodybuilding and my family are the most positive things in my life right now. It's something I feel I was destined to be a part of. I knew that ever since before I can remember, going back to me as a young child watching my older brother in awe while he lifted weights in his room.
You seem to be quite enthusiastic about pursuing success in this sport. You want to be the best you can possibly be. I admire that and respect you for it. The one thing that seems to poison my soul is the current condition of this sport. How can I live my dream of becoming the best bodybuilder in the world? How can I, while knowing that this sport, our sport, is nothing but a black hole? How can I decide to dedicate myself 100% to pursuing what is now a mere fantasy when I know that I won't be offered care and support through the business of professional bodybuilding? I'm talking about your contracted pay, medical coverage (or lack of), and prize earnings. Unless I'm #1 or 2 in the world in the sport, is it possible to make a living, for both myself and a future family? Or do I have to sell myself to the Gay porn industry? Do I have to sell drugs? Will I end up getting busted for selling fake GH? Will I go to jail for life for burning a corpse in the back of my jaguar? Will I die from all the drugs that I'll have to take as my bosses demand that I must become even bigger and freakier?
How do you want the legacy of Phil Heath to be remembered?
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Hey Figgs...for medical insurance, just marry someone who has medical insurance and have them put you on their plan ;)
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Phil - If you ever win a show in the future when you're out of shape then your board name might work against you lol.
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Hey, what's up Phil? Welcome to Getbig!
I got on this thread a bit too late, as I didn't even know you were posting in it! Well I have a real serious question which relates to something I'm extremely curious about.
Bodybuilding, as a "sport", is something that is extraordinary in it's beauty and art. Bodybuilding as a lifestyle has the potential to transform the qualities of one's personality by teaching discipline, motivation, work ethic and a constant reassurance of success (such as through size and strength increases). Bodybuilding and my family are the most positive things in my life right now. It's something I feel I was destined to be a part of. I knew that ever since before I can remember, going back to me as a young child watching my older brother in awe while he lifted weights in his room.
You seem to be quite enthusiastic about pursuing success in this sport. You want to be the best you can possibly be. I admire that and respect you for it. The one thing that seems to poison my soul is the current condition of this sport. How can I live my dream of becoming the best bodybuilder in the world? How can I, while knowing that this sport, our sport, is nothing but a black hole? How can I decide to dedicate myself 100% to pursuing what is now a mere fantasy when I know that I won't be offered care and support through the business of professional bodybuilding? I'm talking about your contracted pay, medical coverage (or lack of), and prize earnings. Unless I'm #1 or 2 in the world in the sport, is it possible to make a living, for both myself and a future family? Or do I have to sell myself to the Gay porn industry? Do I have to sell drugs? Will I end up getting busted for selling fake GH? Will I go to jail for life for burning a corpse in the back of my jaguar? Will I die from all the drugs that I'll have to take as my bosses demand that I must become even bigger and freakier?
How do you want the legacy of Phil Heath to be remembered?
Thanks bro for the post, I really appreciate it. As for pursuing bodybuilding as a career, I was clueless because I didn't think of myself as a person who could do just that. I got into the sport as something to keep me in shape and once I won more shows, friends and family pushed me to try for more. It was me that always said that I was just trying to be the best I can be and everything else will fall into place, leaving me no disappointment for wishful thinking of being a pro bber. Once I won the Jr's I was contracted through Weider and that allowed me to compete knowing that there were some duckets ($$$) involved. I was still working a full-time gig at Bally's and then realized that I can survive with this contract, so I dedicated myself to win the USA and then opened doors for more endorsements. I later re-signed with AMI/Weider and then with Met-Rx this past summer which has now allowed me to focus even more onto my goals and also having some extra coin if you will. I didn't have to do any dealings and especially none of that gay-for-pay-garbage along the way because I wasn't afraid to work and at times suffer financially to attain my goal. As for medical coverage, I am currently getting that taken care of through my athlete rep Bob Chic as he has work very hard to get a medical plan for us, so I am gonna take advantage.
Lastly, I would like to leave a legacy with bodybuilding as someone who cared enough to take time out and give back to its fans and community while illustrating what a true professional really is. I also want us bbers to be respected for our hard work, self-discipline, intelligence and compassion by others in mainstream society because we deserve it just like other athletes.
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Phil - If you ever win a show in the future when you're out of shape then your board name might work against you lol.
I know right! ;)
Let's just hope that I always come in shape.
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Thanks bro for the post, I really appreciate it. As for pursuing bodybuilding as a career, I was clueless because I didn't think of myself as a person who could do just that. I got into the sport as something to keep me in shape and once I won more shows, friends and family pushed me to try for more. It was me that always said that I was just trying to be the best I can be and everything else will fall into place, leaving me no disappointment for wishful thinking of being a pro bber. Once I won the Jr's I was contracted through Weider and that allowed me to compete knowing that there were some duckets ($$$) involved. I was still working a full-time gig at Bally's and then realized that I can survive with this contract, so I dedicated myself to win the USA and then opened doors for more endorsements. I later re-signed with AMI/Weider and then with Met-Rx this past summer which has now allowed me to focus even more onto my goals and also having some extra coin if you will. I didn't have to do any dealings and especially none of that gay-for-pay-garbage along the way because I wasn't afraid to work and at times suffer financially to attain my goal. As for medical coverage, I am currently getting that taken care of through my athlete rep Bob Chic as he has work very hard to get a medical plan for us, so I am gonna take advantage.
Lastly, I would like to leave a legacy with bodybuilding as someone who cared enough to take time out and give back to its fans and community while illustrating what a true professional really is. I also want us bbers to be respected for our hard work, self-discipline, intelligence and compassion by others in mainstream society because we deserve it just like other athletes.
Phil the last part sticks out in my mind.
But do you not agree in order for that to happen, the drugs will have to go? That is really the issue that is giving your industry two black eyes. I mean, if they get rid of drugs and do things totally different, don`t you think you will still remain The Gift?
So why not push it in that direction. 500 fucking people were at the Olympia pre-judging, 7000 total at the end of the night. Don`t you think that a bit sad that there are more people attending a Cat Show in Utah then the Mr. Olympia? What are you going to do about that? Don`t tell me nothing, because you may just be in the position to do something.
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TA - Why do you think Bodybuilding needs to be the first to clean up it's act? We're a small population. Wouldn't it better if baseball, basketball, football, track and field and other olympic sports cleaned up first? They are viewed by a lot more people worldwide than bodybuilding. If we did clean up bodybuilding a few things would happen: No one would notice (because BBing isn't mainstream), attendance at shows would be down immensely (how often have you seen more than 1000 people at a local show? Wait....you've probably never been to a show so you wouldn't know) and the "sport" would shrink and die. All we would have left would be these boards and a few underground mags.
If you think that by cleaning up BBing that it will help the "sport" then you're mistaken. I do agree that the drug freaks don't hold a candle compared to someone like Phil, physique wise. People need to realized that it's not just about the drugs. They can be a tool but shouldn't be the main factor when building a better body.
Not to cut on you but if everyone looked like you at the shows I go to....I would stop going. Why? Because I have friends that look like that and I lift in a gym filled with folks that look like that. Why pay to see the exact same thing I'm around everyday? Put it this way: If you had a fat and ugly girlfriend would you pay to see the exact same thing at a strip club? No....you wanna see something better.
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Phil is just awesome, he makes all the other BBers on here seem second tier (except S. Ray but he's never serious) and I don't mean on stage. He has nothing but great responses to everyone 8)
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Phil the last part sticks out in my mind.
But do you not agree in order for that to happen, the drugs will have to go? That is really the issue that is giving your industry two black eyes. I mean, if they get rid of drugs and do things totally different, don`t you think you will still remain The Gift?
So why not push it in that direction. 500 fucking people were at the Olympia pre-judging, 7000 total at the end of the night. Don`t you think that a bit sad that there are more people attending a Cat Show in Utah then the Mr. Olympia? What are you going to do about that? Don`t tell me nothing, because you may just be in the position to do something.
I would hate to see you join Flex Wheeler and Mike Mattarazzo,rumbling through the Dumpster behind Wieder Headquarters.
TA , as you are well aware there are natural federations out there. Where is the fan base for them?
with your superior genetics you should be dominating them. They won't be able to compete against you, why don't you go and prove me right.
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TA , as you are well aware there are natural federations out there. Where is the fan base for them?
with your superior genetics you should be dominating them. They won't be able to compete against you, why don't you go and prove me right.
There is no fan base in any of it.
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Thanks bro for the post, I really appreciate it. As for pursuing bodybuilding as a career, I was clueless because I didn't think of myself as a person who could do just that. I got into the sport as something to keep me in shape and once I won more shows, friends and family pushed me to try for more. It was me that always said that I was just trying to be the best I can be and everything else will fall into place, leaving me no disappointment for wishful thinking of being a pro bber. Once I won the Jr's I was contracted through Weider and that allowed me to compete knowing that there were some duckets ($$$) involved. I was still working a full-time gig at Bally's and then realized that I can survive with this contract, so I dedicated myself to win the USA and then opened doors for more endorsements. I later re-signed with AMI/Weider and then with Met-Rx this past summer which has now allowed me to focus even more onto my goals and also having some extra coin if you will. I didn't have to do any dealings and especially none of that gay-for-pay-garbage along the way because I wasn't afraid to work and at times suffer financially to attain my goal. As for medical coverage, I am currently getting that taken care of through my athlete rep Bob Chic as he has work very hard to get a medical plan for us, so I am gonna take advantage.
Lastly, I would like to leave a legacy with bodybuilding as someone who cared enough to take time out and give back to its fans and community while illustrating what a true professional really is. I also want us bbers to be respected for our hard work, self-discipline, intelligence and compassion by others in mainstream society because we deserve it just like other athletes.
Learning about you from this thread alone, I wish nothing more than your rise to the top of this sport. And I'm sure that with your charisma, inteligence and agenda, you will become a bodybuilding legend. And, as a fan, I wish you luck! Thanks for such a thoughtful response!
I understand you're a reader, and so I recommend a book, Bob Paris' Gorilla Suit. I recommend this book to you because it woke me up to the dark side of bodybuilding.
I'd like to share an excerpt from Bob Paris' Gorilla Suit, one that changed the direction of my life and put me into better perspective as to what I should do with it.
"A vision-a fantastical, imaginary movie clip-has continually run through my mind during the last year. I am climbing, climbing, climbing all alone, to the top of this enormous mountain. I fall sometimes-a lot, actually; hurt myself; get up; climb some more; fall down again. It seems as if I've been climbing this mountain forever. After a while, when I'm close enough to the top to see it through breaks in the cloud cover, I pull out my map, to see where I am and discover that I've gone up the wrong mountain. Now, this mountain that I'm on is a high one-I can tell this from the map it's every bit as high as the one I thought I was climbing. It's just not the right one. The other mountain is the one that many dream of climbing because the hand of fate has lent it greater prestige. It is easy to get them confused; the way my map is drawn the two look a great deal alike. But it's still the wrong one. And I get mad at myself, and I cuss out the mountain, and I cuss out the mapmaker, and I cuss out all the rocks I've tripped over and the crevices I've fallen into on the way up. But in spite of all that cussing, I'm still on this mountain."
It's really quite depressing from this perspective. And, Phil, I don't try to discourage your success in this sport because it's quite clear that the sport has done you well. What I'm saying is that deep in my heart I love bodybuilding and to not be able to put that part of my heart into this sport is something I have to will myself to do for my own good. That's because, unfortunetely, not all the athletes are treated like "The Gift".
If you're goal is to become the champion, you must make sure you have the power of influence. And use that influence to make the billion-dollar industry that is bodybuilding a place where the dreamers may be able to one day step on a stage, rise to the top of their beloved sport, and share in the glory.
Respect
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Hey Phil keep kicking ass! You have my support!
BTW this is offtopic but would like to know if you ever got into any fights/fighting? I only ask because there are so many bodybuilders switching to fighting, probably to preserve their vital organs.., has that thought ever cross your mind? Flex, Cook, Grundy, Matt Duval, Richard Jones and the such just to name a few.
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Hey Phil keep kicking ass! You have my support!
BTW this is offtopic but would like to know if you ever got into any fights/fighting? I only ask because there are so many bodybuilders switching to fighting, probably to preserve their vital organs.., has that though ever crossed your mind? Flex, Cook, Grundy, Matt Duval, Richard Jones and the such just to name a few.
Not a bad post bro. ;)
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Not a bad post bro. ;)
How else could it be. ;)
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How else could it be. ;)
Shock horror.. don't tell me Ron brainwashed you whilst in time-out?
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Shock horror.. don't tell me Ron brainwashed you whilst in time-out?
Nobody could brainwash me! I am not as weak as Cassius Clay!!!
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Learning about you from this thread alone, I wish nothing more than your rise to the top of this sport. And I'm sure that with your charisma, inteligence and agenda, you will become a bodybuilding legend. And, as a fan, I wish you luck! Thanks for such a thoughtful response!
I understand you're a reader, and so I recommend a book, Bob Paris' Gorilla Suit. I recommend this book to you because it woke me up to the dark side of bodybuilding.
I'd like to share an excerpt from Bob Paris' Gorilla Suit, one that changed the direction of my life and put me into better perspective as to what I should do with it.
"A vision-a fantastical, imaginary movie clip-has continually run through my mind during the last year. I am climbing, climbing, climbing all alone, to the top of this enormous mountain. I fall sometimes-a lot, actually; hurt myself; get up; climb some more; fall down again. It seems as if I've been climbing this mountain forever. After a while, when I'm close enough to the top to see it through breaks in the cloud cover, I pull out my map, to see where I am and discover that I've gone up the wrong mountain. Now, this mountain that I'm on is a high one-I can tell this from the map it's every bit as high as the one I thought I was climbing. It's just not the right one. The other mountain is the one that many dream of climbing because the hand of fate has lent it greater prestige. It is easy to get them confused; the way my map is drawn the two look a great deal alike. But it's still the wrong one. And I get mad at myself, and I cuss out the mountain, and I cuss out the mapmaker, and I cuss out all the rocks I've tripped over and the crevices I've fallen into on the way up. But in spite of all that cussing, I'm still on this mountain."
It's really quite depressing from this perspective. And, Phil, I don't try to discourage your success in this sport because it's quite clear that the sport has done you well. What I'm saying is that deep in my heart I love bodybuilding and to not be able to put that part of my heart into this sport is something I have to will myself to do for my own good. That's because, unfortunetely, not all the athletes are treated like "The Gift".
If you're goal is to become the champion, you must make sure you have the power of influence. And use that influence to make the billion-dollar industry that is bodybuilding a place where the dreamers may be able to one day step on a stage, rise to the top of their beloved sport, and share in the glory.
Respect
True,
It is hard to leave Brokeback.
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Phil seems like a nice guy and I wish him all of the success in the world but...
he also seems like I "won't rock the boat" kind of guy also. My impression is that he will go alone with what the powers that be says. I am not knocking him just and observation.
And for gods sake will he stop thanking his girlfriend Jen in every interview
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Shock horror.. don't tell me Ron brainwashed you whilst in time-out?
Ron promised him a green card..and we know that Alexxx will do "anything" for one
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Phil Heath has the potential to be SQUAD approved. Our last 2 approvals, Jay Cutler and Toney Freeman, had the best year of their careers!!!!!! Just think of what Phil could do!!!!!!!!! We expect to enter contract negotiations by Monday.
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Phil Heath has the potential to be SQUAD approved. Our last 2 approvals, Jay Cutler and Toney Freeman, had the best year of their careers!!!!!! Just think of what Phil could do!!!!!!!!! We expect to enter contract negotiations by Monday.
why don't you "squad approve" adonis? he came in second in a cyber contest :)
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Phil seems like a nice guy and I wish him all of the success in the world but...
he also seems like I "won't rock the boat" kind of guy also. My impression is that he will go alone with what the powers that be says. I am not knocking him just and observation.
And for gods sake will he stop thanking his girlfriend Jen in every interview
Hey, I cannot help but to give my fiancee a shout out for her help as she has been true to me from the very beginning. ;)
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How is calling attention to THE integral part of his success considered negative?
When the subject matter that you are referring to as being "integral" to his success is "integral" to everyone elses success on the playing field it does come of as not only negative but spiteful, man spirited, plain stupid, with jeaolusy probably being a motivating factor.
Also, it's stating the obvious. Which makes you look more silly than you are trying to make your target look.
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He has excellent shape and proportions that's for sure. It's hard to gauge his ability to gain muscle since he was only about 180 in the college pictures. Not bad for 5'9 though depending on his overall conditioning.
Is Phil new to message boards? He really needs to learn how it is around here and get used to it. It's not the same as real life.
As an individual with a bright future, why would he want to often subject himself to the insecurity, stupidity, and ignorance of many here?
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Phil, no one is saying you don't train with intensity and eat big. We're just also pointing out the fact that you and every other pro use a lot of gear to help you get where you are.
Forgive me - is something I said here untrue?
Didn't think so!
It's not called "hate" (except on mayhem) but "reality". Don't expect us to deny facts.
However, guys like TA and I would be far less vocal and even angry about this if more pros stopped touting genetic superiority and acknowledged the effectiveness of gear.
We get that you train hard and eat tons. What we also get is that the only difference between an IFBB pro and an NGA pro is an injection - despite upwards of 50-100 pounds more muscle. That difference lies 100% in a syringe. Just keep it real and you will have our respect.
Why are you addressing Phil? He said nothing about anyone "bashing" him. I think the point that Phil is making in his post is that he was pretty developed for someone that wasn't training or eating to "get big" and as a former basketball player it definitely would not have enhanced his basketball skills to be "big" while being a short (for basketball) point guard. So it stands to reason that at his height, weight, condition, and frame (he was probably 180 as a frosh and the weight was never updated) when he played hoops that he has superior genetics than most from bodybuilding.
Pointing out the fact that pros use gear (whether it is or you think it is alot or a little) over and over is old and tired and makes you look weak and bitter. If you are for some reason referring to Phil, he has a right to believe his body responds well to the craft that he's begun so recently. He's not saying that he's omnipotent when it comes to bodybuilding but simply that his body has responded well and quickly to something that he didn't always do.
Why do you ask if you've said something that's untrue? Did Phil address you? Whether or not you agree, the way you state your opinion comes off as hate to me and I'm not your target so I can only imagine what they feel like. Is it that important that you need to put yourself on their level. If you are truly cool with what you've done with your own physique you could care less what someone else looks like or how they got to look like they do.
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TA - Why do you think Bodybuilding needs to be the first to clean up it's act? We're a small population. Wouldn't it better if baseball, basketball, football, track and field and other olympic sports cleaned up first? They are viewed by a lot more people worldwide than bodybuilding. If we did clean up bodybuilding a few things would happen: No one would notice (because BBing isn't mainstream), attendance at shows would be down immensely (how often have you seen more than 1000 people at a local show? Wait....you've probably never been to a show so you wouldn't know) and the "sport" would shrink and die. All we would have left would be these boards and a few underground mags.
If you think that by cleaning up BBing that it will help the "sport" then you're mistaken. I do agree that the drug freaks don't hold a candle compared to someone like Phil, physique wise. People need to realized that it's not just about the drugs. They can be a tool but shouldn't be the main factor when building a better body.
Not to cut on you but if everyone looked like you at the shows I go to....I would stop going. Why? Because I have friends that look like that and I lift in a gym filled with folks that look like that. Why pay to see the exact same thing I'm around everyday? Put it this way: If you had a fat and ugly girlfriend would you pay to see the exact same thing at a strip club? No....you wanna see something better.
Good post... the drug issue will never be solved in sports. And if it was many would be disappointed whether it be in bodybuilding or the mainstream sports. I think bodybuilding would best benefit itself by rewarding physiques which definte sculpting the body into a beautiful physique rather than rewarding raw mass and size so often. I have never used steroids but don't necessarily believe it is wrong to use as a means to an end. As with anything, there needs to be limits for safety and some sense of "integrity" though who am I to define where that line is?
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define metabolism adonis, because i dont think you understand the concept truly. no leaness does not have to do with the food you consume. some people can consume more food then others and stay lean, they just have a pre-disposition towards leaness. i will elaborate but dont have time plus your posts are ignorant.
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Hey, I cannot help but to give my fiancee a shout out for her help as she has been true to me from the very beginning. ;)
The words of a man who's definately getting some tonight! Some of you other guys should take some notes.
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The words of a man who's definately getting some tonight! Some of you other guys should take some notes.
Talk......to......girl.. ....get.......number.... ..masterbate.....to..... it.
Check.
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Talk......to......girl......get.......number......masterbate.....to.....it.
Check.
hahahaa, seems that you paid good attention in TA's lessons.
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hahahaa, seems that you paid good attention in TA's lessons.
hahahahaha yes!!!!!!! It's too easy DK!!!!!!!!
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As long as everyone is aware of this fact and doesn't pretend otherwise, I'm cool with it.
Not true. You're looking for something to explain your shortcomings.
YOU KNOW THIS.
That is what it is.
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I If they still look huge and shredded then, I will definitely admit they have genetic superiority.
WRONG. You will say they never went off......and you KNOW that's the truth.
I'm not saying drugs aren't a huge part of pro bodybuilding. Because they certainly are.
I'm just getting annoyed lately by people who AREN'T pros, don't know any pros, and have never even competed claiming to know everything about pro bodybuilding.
If a pro golfer says he hits 1,000 balls a day, and works with a swing coach 3x a week, we believe him.
And if some local schmuck says "bullshit! It's ALL the clubs they use. If they didn't have Nike making custom designed clubs for them, they would be nothing!" You would think he was a jealous idiot.
See my point?
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Here you go MattC. Here is what Phil looked like before he knew anything about Bodybuilding. Phil, correct me if I'm wrong but this was your FIRST show from what I remember. I also remember you telling me that you didn't diet at all for this show....but you can give us the specifics. Credit to Isaac (LiftStudios) for the pics.....
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil1.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil2.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil3.jpg)
Phil won his class but lost to this guy in the overall:
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil4.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil5.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil6.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil7.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil8.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil9.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil10.jpg)
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I don't know about anyone else but I wouldn't mind having Phil's muscle and symmetry as mine after I had been lifting for years and years. To have that to start off with is pure genetics and a huge gift from God...thus, the nickname "TheGift". Remember, people around Colorado gave Phil that name....he didn't name himself. ;D
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If those are pictures of Phil natural or even moderately clean - much respect. I think he has such a great structure that any amount of muscle looks awesome on him. He could be skinny and still look shapely and tapered.
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500 fucking people were at the Olympia pre-judging, 7000 total at the end of the night.
My estimate for the prejuding Friday night was about 4,000 people, and for Saturday night about 6,500 people or more. Not bad, largest crowd I have seen in years on both nights. And truly a great show Saturday night.
As for Phil thanking his fiancee, it is true, as the girl you live with is your heart, soul and support. Many competitors thank their one for helping them, suffering with them, and being with the via the dedication and determination on contest training and afterwards.
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If those are pictures of Phil natural or even moderately clean - much respect. I think he has such a great structure that any amount of muscle looks awesome on him. He could be skinny and still look shapely and tapered.
That's the thing Matt.
Phil turned pro at 216....and he's about 5'9" to 5'10"
That isn't that big. It's his structure and conditioning that makes him. You can't drug your structure.
Unfortunately bodybuilding is as much or more about genetics than any other sport.
You can't just decide to play like a top basketball player becasue you love playing the sport.
You can't throw a 100mph fastball unless you were born to, no matter how much you loved playing catch with your dad.
You can't be 6'6 and 300lbs, or run a 4.2 forty unless you were born to, no matter how much you love to play football.
Seems like bodybuilders are the one group who can't understand this.
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If those are pictures of Phil natural or even moderately clean - much respect. I think he has such a great structure that any amount of muscle looks awesome on him. He could be skinny and still look shapely and tapered.
It is....I've been around the game for quite a while and you learn to spot people like Phil. They are few and far between. Although we've had a lot of good talent coming out of Colorado, as far as male BBers go, I have never said to myself "That guy will be a pro in no time" .....until I saw Phil.
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If you want to be a pro, play hockey.
There are 100's of various pro leagues.....and there is no requirement that you can read, or have ever seen a car in order to play.
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Phil,
what do you think of hany rambod MD column where he implies that you are an idiot
for not knowing simple bodybuilding basics?
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Is it that Phil looks great at any body weight or is it that he is one of the few pros who is being honest about his weight? Other pros around his height would claim to be 20 pounds heavier despite not looking any bigger.
Come on......In the national ranks, people have to step on an official scale to make weight. Much like in wrestling. So, look at the weights of pros before they turned pro.
Bill Whilmore was weighing in the high 260's at weigh ins
Someone like Vic Martinez, who was a heavyweight, and looks AT LEAST 20lbs bigger than he was then, should have no problem claiming a weight of around 250lbs.
Someone like Jay who was near 250lbs when he turned pro, and is clearly MUCH larger now, should have no complaints claiming 270's.
Now, perhaps someone like Dexter, who was a light heavy when he turned pro would have a harder time claiming 230's, as he doesn't look nearly 40lbs heavier.
But, for hte most part the pro's claims are pretty accurate.
The Ironman has had official weigh ins, so those competitors should be cleared.
Phil just has the look to be a freak at any weight. Very few people have that look.
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If those are pictures of Phil natural or even moderately clean - much respect. I think he has such a great structure that any amount of muscle looks awesome on him. He could be skinny and still look shapely and tapered.
look at his gyno dude..its massive...theres just no clean shots of it cuz all his chest shots have shadows.
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I think Darrem says he is 20 pounds heavier than Phil but doesn't really look it. They are both about 5'9. Dexter's weight I am most weary of. I don't think that dude has stepped on a scale yet at a weigh-in.
Dex is probably around the 210-215lb mark.
Most other competitors are near the weight they say.
Atwood turned pro aound 245lbs I believe. So, for him to claim 280 is nothing. He's AT LEAST 30lbs heavier than when he turned pro. That may not be a good thing. But, most of the weight claims aren't really off.
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I just saw the pictures and I must say I now officially hate Phil Heat >:(
I don't think I'll looks this good even in 10 years and that was his first show :(
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look at his gyno dude..its massive...theres just no clean shots of it cuz all his chest shots have shadows.
i dont know..his nipples are a bit puffy, but thats normal when your bf is that low are your posing
but common its not massive...massive would be like ronnie coleman this year or JOJ...
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That's the thing Matt.
Phil turned pro at 216....and he's about 5'9" to 5'10"
That isn't that big. It's his structure and conditioning that makes him. You can't drug your structure.
Unfortunately bodybuilding is as much or more about genetics than any other sport.
You can't just decide to play like a top basketball player becasue you love playing the sport.
You can't throw a 100mph fastball unless you were born to, no matter how much you loved playing catch with your dad.
You can't be 6'6 and 300lbs, or run a 4.2 forty unless you were born to, no matter how much you love to play football.
Seems like bodybuilders are the one group who can't understand this.
You fucking dolt.
He`s not natural at that weight, and I don`t think he will lie about this one.
IF he does, then everything he sold you in this thread is bullshit.
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You fucking dolt.
He`s not natural at that weight, and I don`t think he will lie about this one.
IF he does, then everything he sold you in this thread is bullshit.
Aw come on TA, what are you talking about? He looks 100% natural!
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Here you go MattC. Here is what Phil looked like before he knew anything about Bodybuilding. Phil, correct me if I'm wrong but this was your FIRST show from what I remember. I also remember you telling me that you didn't diet at all for this show....but you can give us the specifics. Credit to Isaac (LiftStudios) for the pics.....
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil1.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil2.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil3.jpg)
Phil won his class but lost to this guy in the overall:
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil4.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil5.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil6.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil7.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil8.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil9.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Phil10.jpg)
I am calling BS on the not dieting.....so you are trying to tell us that he just rolled out of bed and entered the show?
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agree, I call BS on the not dieting too
Phil has great genetics but he isn't superman
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Amazing how the Homos who get behind him are the ones spreading the myths and Lies.
Phil said it himself, that if you believe the bullshit about you in the magazines and relax, then you are finished.
I am sure the same thing applies with these liars who want to make Phil into something he never claimed to be.
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with wider lats he will destroy Dexter at the ASC :o
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with wider lats he will destroy Dexter at the ASC :o
I agree... he'll destroy wuite a bit of other people too.
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with wider lats he will destroy Dexter at the ASC :o
I agree totally. I would like to see how he compares with Richard Jones and Vic M... Those three will be the future of BB.
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agree, I call BS on the not dieting too
Phil has great genetics but he isn't superman
He played basketball and was naturally pretty lean. First time I ever saw him around he already had striated tris. He may have "dieted" for this contest but from what I remember him telling me it wasn't a "bodybuilding" diet. I think he only prepped for 4 weeks or something.
If you guys lived here you'd be as amazed as the rest of us.
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Amazing how the Homos who get behind him are the ones spreading the myths and Lies.
Phil said it himself, that if you believe the bullshit about you in the magazines and relax, then you are finished.
I am sure the same thing applies with these liars who want to make Phil into something he never claimed to be.
What the fuck are you talking about?
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with wider lats he will destroy Dexter at the ASC :o
If you look at Dexters lats, they are high and don't look as good as Phil's did at the CO and NY shows. Now that Phil has added 20lbs or more I think he'll kill Dexter by a landslide.
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He played basketball and was naturally pretty lean. First time I ever saw him around he already had striated tris. He may have "dieted" for this contest but from what I remember him telling me it wasn't a "bodybuilding" diet. I think he only prepped for 4 weeks or something.
If you guys lived here you'd be as amazed as the rest of us.
That doesn`t amaze me.
Nobody should have to diet at all to be ripped. I will show you how easy it is to remain at 5 percent and under and still gain muscle.
People think its some sort of feat, ANYBODY can do it, natural or not.
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That doesn`t amaze me.
Nobody should have to diet at all to be ripped. I will show you how easy it is to remain at 5 percent and under and still gain muscle.
People think its some sort of feat, ANYBODY can do it, natural or not.
We've seen you diet....it's the gain muscle part we're all waiting for. Of course, for it to be valid you'll need a high quality scan, like a DEXA to prove it (beginning and ending points).
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It doesn't "amaze" you? So you're saying you don't think Phil looks awesome, esp for a first time BBer here?
How do you explain these then? Phil's first show, not trying 100% VS. TA trying his best
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/ABS.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/FDB.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/FLS.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/L.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/MM.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/RelSide.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/SChest.jpg)
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/SideTri.jpg)
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Now, besides the differences in condition, size and posing.....do you see why Phil has better genetics than you as far as BBing goes?
I think you two are probably not too far apart in these pics, bodyweight wise. Phil is a lot shorter than you. He's 5'9" and you look to be 6'5".
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Adam is 5'10 and 15/16ths actually.
As for Phil, I doubt he was not trying at his first show. He strikes me as the kind of guy who really puts forth a lot of effort in what he does. I feel that way because his posing was very seasoned at the spring shows. It made me think he's the kind of guy who always takes the time out to do a job well.
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Trying my best?
hahahaah.
I didn`t do a single ounce of Cardio,Ate Doughnuts and Cookies and whatever else I wanted and went to the gym 3-4 days a week....ROFLMAO.
Plus these pictures are better.
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:)
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Add to the fact that I can get leaner at any given moment..( I am already leaner than those pictures) I simply just ran out of time as I was 70lbs overweight 4 months prior. LOL.
I also did not do anything with water or sodium or any of that....So to say I tried my best is a joke and you should never say that again,ever, about me.
:)
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HEY!...WHY ARE U COMPARING FERRARRI ENZO TO FORD FIESTA?...NOT IN THE SAME GALAXY EVEN
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We've seen you diet....it's the gain muscle part we're all waiting for. Of course, for it to be valid you'll need a high quality scan, like a DEXA to prove it (beginning and ending points).
what are you trying to say? that TA has less muscle mass than a skinny school girl?
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what are you trying to say? that TA has less muscle mass than a skinny school girl?
I`d like to see Phil Natural against my best.
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I`d like to see Phil Natural against my best.
lol, dumbest statement ever....
I wish, I could, if, maybe....dream on you panty wearing mother fucker..you couldn't even win a fucking cyber pose down
skinny piece of shit
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lol, dumbest statement ever....
I wish, I could, if, maybe....dream on you panty wearing mother fucker..you couldn't even win a fucking cyber pose down
skinny piece of shit
Had you entered, I would have surely defeated you....hahhah
So where does that place you? Below Alexxx perhaps?
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Had you entered, I would have surely defeated you....hahhah
So where does that place you? Below Alexxx perhaps?
talk is cheap, I didn't entered and I won't speculate as to my placement
unlike fucking you: "If I was at my best.." = song and dance for you not getting it done
there are many, many shows out, step up and show us that you have the heart of a champion and not some internet cyber German coward
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This was Phil's 2nd show. The Northern Colorado Championships in 2003, 4 months earlier was were he popped his cherry. He was the hands down winner. Crazy conditioning!!! Rick Sosias, or Ricky Starr if your into gay-for-pay, muscleworship, is the guy he finished behind at the Colorado State show the same year.
Northern CO 2003 link:
http://jefftaylor.com/gallery/nc03.html (http://jefftaylor.com/gallery/nc03.html)
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Thorzhammer is right, I accidently posted photos from Phil's second show.
Here he is at his first show...straight off the basketball court (credit to LiftStudios for the pics):
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Philb4.jpg)
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Damn he was even more shredded at his first show
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Damn he was even more shredded at his first show
Bro, it was unreal when they annouced him in the novice class and he came out looking like that. The crowd literally gasp. It was like watching Jordan play his first high school game, you knew great things were coming.
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It screws up peoples belief system in what can and cant be accomplished, it makes you take a closer look at your own genetics and you get kind of bummed out that you cant attain that level....but Phil is natural in those first 2 shows and Im sorry to you guys who dont believe it...the bottom line is your looking at elite genetics. I know MattC and Adonis arent going to like hearing this, along with the fact that Phil was only lifting for a year or two before he got onstage looking like that (which is beyond scary)...but it is what it is. Hey I would like to have the athletic ability of Reggie Bush or be able to hit a baseball like Manny Ramirez but its not going to be happening any time soon.
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Thorzhammer is right, I accidently posted photos from Phil's second show.
Here he is at his first show...straight off the basketball court (credit to LiftStudios for the pics):
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Philb4.jpg)
This is the man with no color on think'n his black ass didn't need any. LOL! Why hate on the man? He is helping the industry and is one of the few bodybuilders with potential to cross over into mainstream work. How about embracing those who can help out industry instead of trying to cut them down?
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if Phil was natural in those two first shows
then he's the real deal, genetic god...havn't seen this much potential since an early lee priest. hope he doesn't screw up his structure with GH and insulin
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Thorzhammer is right, I accidently posted photos from Phil's second show.
Here he is at his first show...straight off the basketball court (credit to LiftStudios for the pics):
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/Misfits_photos/Philb4.jpg)
That ain't straight off the basketball court. NO basketball player even comes close to that. That physique took years of hard work which he was probably doing while he played basketball.
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Who is challenging Phil?
I am starting to like him a whole lot actually.
He is being real all of a sudden.
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I was thinking the same thing. Straight off the basketball court - uhhh, no. Phil isn't claiming to be a genetic god but it sounds like people are doing it for him. Nobody just walks on stage looking like that. What is this, FLEX magazine?
he drank water, honey and milk. Never did cardio, never lifted weight. Just woke up and entered....and won
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I was thinking the same thing. Straight off the basketball court - uhhh, no. Phil isn't claiming to be a genetic god but it sounds like people are doing it for him. Nobody just walks on stage looking like that. What is this, FLEX magazine?
It's all a bunch of bullshit. Just like it was said that Ronnie Coleman had only trained for a year when he won his pro card, and was natural to boot (lol).
We had this discussion before and it was established that Phil had trained for several years... just not specifically with bb contests as a goal.
Phil could have been on just orals but that is interpreted as "natural" by DC and others. Once you start the insulin and GH coctail I guess you are no longer a natural.
How much did Phil weigh in his first 2 shows? I want to know how much weight he put on when he finally started the juice.
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It's all a bunch of bullshit. Just like it was said that Ronnie Coleman had only trained for a year when he won his pro card, and was natural to boot (lol).
We had this discussion before and it was established that Phil had trained for several years... just not specifically with bb contests as a goal.
Phil could have been on just orals but that is interpreted as "natural" by DC and others. Once you start the insulin and GH coctail I guess you are no longer a natural.
How much did Phil weigh in his first 2 shows? I want to know how much weight he put on when he finally started the juice.
I believe he weighed 199 in 2004 when he won the CO Championships. Up from the 190ish he weighed in '03 at the Northern CO and CO State Championships. He was unreal at 199 in 2004 at CO State. No one was remotely close.
2004 CO State:
http://jefftaylor.com/gallery/2004/costate.html (http://jefftaylor.com/gallery/2004/costate.html)
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Don't try and play us as fools ::) :-\
Straight off the basketball court and then to the "anti-aging" clinic.
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I believe he weighed 199 in 2004 when he won the CO Championships. Up from the 190ish he weighed in '03 at the Northern CO and CO State Championships. He was unreal at 199 in 2004 at CO State. No one was remotely close.
2004 CO State:
http://jefftaylor.com/gallery/2004/costate.html (http://jefftaylor.com/gallery/2004/costate.html)
Ok. So if he was natural still in 2004 he put on only 17lbs with drugs? How much did he weigh in his pro debut?
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He was 180lbs and pretty lean when he was still playing basketball. So to be 190lbs at his first show naturally isn't unreasonable. Once he stopped playing ball it would be much easier for him to put on muscle, add to that the fact that he then actually started to train for bodybuilding it's believable that he could gain that amount of muscle naturally. I am not saying that he was for sure a natural in his first show, but it is possible.
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Lift...thank you for those pics. Very inspiring!!
Phil looks incredible! You have a man who is blessed with awesome genetics, humble, and seems to have a good head on his shoulders.
Looking forward to seeing Phil go very far in the future and to help make this sport more appealing to the public...
I had the opportunity to meet Phil.....he is a very good guy. Im glad he is posting here again...
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Ok. So if he was natural still in 2004 he put on only 17lbs with drugs? How much did he weigh in his pro debut?
214 at Junior Nats and 215 at the USA's. I believe he said he was 222 in the debut. Could be wrong.
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It's all a bunch of bullshit. Just like it was said that Ronnie Coleman had only trained for a year when he won his pro card, and was natural to boot (lol).
We had this discussion before and it was established that Phil had trained for several years... just not specifically with bb contests as a goal.
Phil could have been on just orals but that is interpreted as "natural" by DC and others. Once you start the insulin and GH coctail I guess you are no longer a natural.
From everything Ive come to know, 6 ways around the block (from people WHO WOULD KNOW) Ronnie was completely clean when he won his pro card.
Christ he was 228! Only 228 when he won his pro card back in the day and competed over the last 3-4 years from 286 to 303 (gran prix)....70 pounds more! What did he have fake stuff when he was 228? Why would he only be 228 if he was "on" LOL.
You guys look at this sport like noone can make a gain naturally. Steve Kuclo won his class at the teen nationals at a little over 200lbs (absolutely 100% bonafide clean) I dont care what Adonis says. He likes to use a post put up by Bigsdawg (on bodybuilding.com) who is freinds with Steve and lump Steve and Bigsdawg together. BigSdawg used something for 2 weeks years ago, got scared, didnt like his decision and got off. What monstrous gains he must of made and retained in 2 weeks!. What does that have to do with Steve? Nothing. Steve lives in MI, Bigsdawg lives in Texas....2 different people. But Adonis likes to help his argument along by lumping them together. The fact is Kuclo won his class at the teen nats 100% naturally. Now if Steve can do that, you dont think Ronnie a former powerlifter with incredible genetics can do it at 228? Does Steve have better genetics than Ronnie? You dont think Phil Heath who has insane genetics could look like that in his first 2 shows?
You guys base your opinions on "if I cant do it THEN NOONE CAN"
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Yo, Yo, Yo!
Just wanted to chime in and say thanks for the posts, as they've been pretty cool. I can only say that the pics are real and that I specifically trained for my first show in October of '02 and weigh around 190lbs. I find it interesting how some speculate what I was so called "doing/taking" while playing bball, but they fail to realize that the damn NCAA actually tests, and guess who got tested...me. I was the one getting tested because of how I was able to gain muscle faster than others, but I didn't even trip because my whole family is athletic. I weighed in at 192lbs for the Northern CO (apr '03) then 196lbs (june '03). I wasn't as sharp as the first show because I graduated three wks out from college and didn't follow the bber gameplan if you can catch my drift. I didn't really diet at all because of my friends telling me that I've got good genetics. I ain't saying that I'm superior over anyone, so let's stop that right there, but understand that I was made for this sport just like LeBron and Tiger were for theirs and no one can tell me different because if it was that easy, then everyone could do it.
Now, I really want to say thanks for everyone keeping this thread clean and leaving out the childish posts. I have no problem with opinions of others, as long as they can back it up, in addition to it being respectful to me as I will be onto them. Oh, about that post referring to me being insulted by Hany Rambod, there wasn't any harm in that article as he was explaining that I have much to learn in training. Everyone can learn something which is why we read about the sport of bodybuilding, so my intelligence was never insulted. I've trained with various bbers and have realized that I've been able to excel without knowing much about training which is cool because once I do, then watch out baby! Again, thanks for all of the contributors to this thread, I really appreciate your responses.
Take care and good night! Gotta get some rest for my last guest posing of the year tomorrow in Salt Lake City Utah!
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From everything Ive come to know, 6 ways around the block (from people WHO WOULD KNOW) Ronnie was completely clean when he won his pro card.
Christ he was 228! Only 228 when he won his pro card back in the day and competed over the last 3-4 years from 286 to 303 (gran prix)....70 pounds more! What did he have fake stuff when he was 228? Why would he only be 228 if he was "on" LOL.
Look, I agree 100% with you about the genetics issue. It's the most important factor. However, there are different levels of drug use. I think the Universe was tested so Ronnie had to get off the stuff to pass the tests. Lee Haney dropped 20lbs the year he was drug tested - just to give an idea how much you can drop just by just going clean for a test. Maybe that's what "they" mean when they say he was natural... he could pass a test. Whoever this gh15 dude is I agree with him, Ronnie had used when he turned pro, maybe not much but used nonetheless. Then he stepped up the steroid use, later added in the high dosage GH/Insulin regimen and that's where we are today. The 228lbs Ronnie carried is a bit over what a 5'11 totally natural bb could carry in shredded condition IMO, incredible genes or not. Arnold was what, 235 at his peak and he was quite a bit taller and juiced since his early teens. It's just not realistic to think anyone can turn pro totally lifetime natural.
I don't know about Kucklo. At least he didn't "turn pro 100% lifetime natural". Maybe there's a chance for someone gifted to win teen nationals. Regular Nationals or the Universe - no.
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Yo, Yo, Yo!
Just wanted to chime in and say thanks for the posts, as they've been pretty cool. I can only say that the pics are real and that I specifically trained for my first show in October of '02 and weigh around 190lbs. I find it interesting how some speculate what I was so called "doing/taking" while playing bball, but they fail to realize that the damn NCAA actually tests, and guess who got tested...me. I was the one getting tested because of how I was able to gain muscle faster than others, but I didn't even trip because my whole family is athletic. I weighed in at 192lbs for the Northern CO (apr '03) then 196lbs (june '03). I wasn't as sharp as the first show because I graduated three wks out from college and didn't follow the bber gameplan if you can catch my drift. I didn't really diet at all because of my friends telling me that I've got good genetics. I ain't saying that I'm superior over anyone, so let's stop that right there, but understand that I was made for this sport just like LeBron and Tiger were for theirs and no one can tell me different because if it was that easy, then everyone could do it.
Now, I really want to say thanks for everyone keeping this thread clean and leaving out the childish posts. I have no problem with opinions of others, as long as they can back it up, in addition to it being respectful to me as I will be onto them. Oh, about that post referring to me being insulted by Hany Rambod, there wasn't any harm in that article as he was explaining that I have much to learn in training. Everyone can learn something which is why we read about the sport of bodybuilding, so my intelligence was never insulted. I've trained with various bbers and have realized that I've been able to excel without knowing much about training which is cool because once I do, then watch out baby! Again, thanks for all of the contributors to this thread, I really appreciate your responses.
Take care and good night! Gotta get some rest for my last guest posing of the year tomorrow in Salt Lake City Utah!
IMO Phil you have just as good, or if not even better genetics then flex, coleman, or kevin.. Just need to bring up the width in your back and then you will be Mr O!
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triceps are freak status
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The 228lbs Ronnie carried is a bit over what a 5'11 totally natural bb could carry in shredded condition IMO, incredible genes or not. Arnold was what, 235 at his peak and he was quite a bit taller and juiced since his early teens. It's just not realistic to think anyone can turn pro totally lifetime natural.
I don't know about Kucklo. At least he didn't "turn pro 100% lifetime natural". Maybe there's a chance for someone gifted to win teen nationals. Regular Nationals or the Universe - no.
Van I agree that 228lbs is usually over what a normal 5'11" totally natural bb could carry but we arent talking normal here. We are talking about the top echelon of bodybuilding genetics. Below is a picture of Ronnie Coleman at the Dutch Grand Prix where I believe he is 303lbs onstage.
http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04Dutch/Pre/pages/FDBE0017.html
Can you name another enhanced competitor 5'10"-5'11" that has ever stood onstage at 303lbs? I cant, not even close. So Im going to assume that the most massive enhanced bodybuilder ever to step onstage could very well eclipse what "the normal" run of the mill natural bodybuilder could because again we are talking "top of the line" genetics here. In every endeavor there is a biggest, fastest etc....and this bodybuilder IMO could set the standard naturally as well as he has set the standard enhanced. Why would you think that someone who makes pro's on a level playing field around him look small would somehow not make everyone look small on a natural playing field.
Vic Richards was 335 offseason at 5'9" and 295 in pretty darn good shape, do you really think Vic Richards would look like the rest of the 5'9" natural competitors out there if he chose to go that route? He would most likely be able to hang with Ronnie somewhere in the 220-235lb range shredded to the bone clean. Now if your talking average guys or slightly above average natural bodybuilders, then yea 220-235 isnt going to be happeneing for them...but we are talking about people predestined and made for this sport.
As far as Arnold, he was the best (in 1973) but its a different genetic pool now and I think he would have a very rough time even achieving his pro card nowadays. I think presently he would be about 270-280 onstage and his weak points would be glaring. Could you imagine Arnold trying to stand next to Ruhl? He would look lanky with huge arms and chest.
It's just not realistic to think anyone can turn pro totally lifetime natural.
I know of a successful competing pro right now who was lifetime natural and used dandelion root, B6, (LOL) and got his pro card. He didnt know a trombone from trenbolone at that time...absolutely clueless about the subject because he was so successful he never had to think about it. Regardless its his personal business and his only. Come to think of it, I know of another person who up to that time was lifetime natural who got his pro card --both of those pros have posted on this board in the past (one maybe even in the last week). Doesnt matter, noone would believe it anyway, just take a look at this thread. Trop and a few others know of whom I speak of. But I would tend to agree with you on that point, trying to break into the pro ranks au naturel is a task that is incredibly hard and few do it.
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Oh, about that post referring to me being insulted by Hany Rambod, there wasn't any harm in that article as he was explaining that I have much to learn in training. Everyone can learn something which is why we read about the sport of bodybuilding, so my intelligence was never insulted. I've trained with various bbers and have realized that I've been able to excel without knowing much about training which is cool because once I do, then watch out baby!
Phil,
Is Hany a "trainer" just like Charles Glass,
or is he a "nutritionist" like the Chad?
he seems to try and pass himself off as a trainer, however that seems
odd as he looks as though he hasn't seen the inside of a gym in years.
simple logic dictates that hany is a drug guru.
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When were steroids readily available to the public? I know that test was first synthisized back in the 30's I think, but I am talking about the general public being able to get a hold of them. Show me ONE picture of any bodybuilder before steroids that was as big as any of these guys today!
I'm not knockin any of these guy at all so don't miss understand me, but even 500mgs of test a week is going to put a hell of a lot of mass on a guy or even 3 Dbol. And I don't want to hear about better training methods or equipment either. Have you ever seen some of the shit that Arnold had to use? Better nutrition? Come on, nothing is better than whole foods.
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When were steroids readily available to the public? I know that test was first synthisized back in the 30's I think, but I am talking about the general public being able to get a hold of them. Show me ONE picture of any bodybuilder before steroids that was as big as any of these guys today!
I'm not knockin any of these guy at all so don't miss understand me, but even 500mgs of test a week is going to put a hell of a lot of mass on a guy or even 3 Dbol. And I don't want to hear about better training methods or equipment either. Have you ever seen some of the shit that Arnold had to use? Better nutrition? Come on, nothing is better than whole foods.
1960'S
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Adam,
I see you post quite frequently regarding Steve Kuclo, and his natural status at the teen nationals.
As you put it, I believe he's "been juiced to the gills since he was 16."
As a person who claims belief in science, and fact based statements, I would like you to show me the bodybuilding.com posts by Steve regarding his AAS usage.
You will find none. Steve never made those posts, and it is unfair to him, and anyone who reads them for you to claim that as fact.
If you, or anyone else can show me Steve's posts on the subject, I will shut up. But, the fact is, there were no posts.
How he got looped into that, I don't know.
As far as I know, Steve never boasted about his natural status at either teen national competition. Others posted regarding the fact, and I said that he was, in fact natural at those shows.
I'm sure you will convieniently skip over this post, to avoid having to confront your lies, but I would really like to see you address the issue.
I have no cares in a discussion as to whether drugs work, or how much they work. My post is purely for the fact that Adonis has lied about "the Steve Kuclo posts on bodybuilding.com," and it's not fair to him, who has never boasted once about his status at the time.
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Adam,
I see you post quite frequently regarding Steve Kuclo, and his natural status at the teen nationals.
As you put it, I believe he's "been juiced to the gills since he was 16."
As a person who claims belief in science, and fact based statements, I would like you to show me the bodybuilding.com posts by Steve regarding his AAS usage.
You will find none. Steve never made those posts, and it is unfair to him, and anyone who reads them for you to claim that as fact.
If you, or anyone else can show me Steve's posts on the subject, I will shut up. But, the fact is, there were no posts.
How he got looped into that, I don't know.
As far as I know, Steve never boasted about his natural status at either teen national competition. Others posted regarding the fact, and I said that he was, in fact natural at those shows.
I'm sure you will convieniently skip over this post, to avoid having to confront your lies, but I would really like to see you address the issue.
I have no cares in a discussion as to whether drugs work, or how much they work. My post is purely for the fact that Adonis has lied about "the Steve Kuclo posts on bodybuilding.com," and it's not fair to him, who has never boasted once about his status at the time.
so are you saying he wasnt clean then?
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so are you saying he wasnt clean then?
I'm saying he WAS natural then, not clean.
I want Adonis, or anyone else to show me the threads where Steve said otherwise.
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When were steroids readily available to the public? I know that test was first synthisized back in the 30's I think, but I am talking about the general public being able to get a hold of them. Show me ONE picture of any bodybuilder before steroids that was as big as any of these guys today!
I'm not knockin any of these guy at all so don't miss understand me, but even 500mgs of test a week is going to put a hell of a lot of mass on a guy or even 3 Dbol. And I don't want to hear about better training methods or equipment either. Have you ever seen some of the shit that Arnold had to use? Better nutrition? Come on, nothing is better than whole foods.
THIS MAN SPEAKS THE TRUTH!
You can trust him as well. He is working with Kamali and I think, you just may see an improvement in King. We shall see.
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THIS MAN SPEAKS THE TRUTH!
You can trust him as well. He is working with Kamali and I think, you just may see an improvement in King. We shall see.
Adonis,
Please address my previous posts if would.
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I'm saying he WAS natural then, not clean.
I want Adonis, or anyone else to show me the threads where Steve said otherwise.
Do you have any pictures from that contest when he was 16 that you said he was natural in? ive never seen them and probably neither have a lot of others, then we can make up our own minds, as its blatantly obvious if someone has juiced.
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Adam,
I see you post quite frequently regarding Steve Kuclo, and his natural status at the teen nationals.
As you put it, I believe he's "been juiced to the gills since he was 16."
As a person who claims belief in science, and fact based statements, I would like you to show me the bodybuilding.com posts by Steve regarding his AAS usage.
You will find none. Steve never made those posts, and it is unfair to him, and anyone who reads them for you to claim that as fact.
If you, or anyone else can show me Steve's posts on the subject, I will shut up. But, the fact is, there were no posts.
How he got looped into that, I don't know.
As far as I know, Steve never boasted about his natural status at either teen national competition. Others posted regarding the fact, and I said that he was, in fact natural at those shows.
I'm sure you will convieniently skip over this post, to avoid having to confront your lies, but I would really like to see you address the issue.
I have no cares in a discussion as to whether drugs work, or how much they work. My post is purely for the fact that Adonis has lied about "the Steve Kuclo posts on bodybuilding.com," and it's not fair to him, who has never boasted once about his status at the time.
They deleted them all when I brought attention to it.
At least Dante` admits it partially. I don`t care if Kuclo juices, but I do have a problem with him claiming Lifetime Natural and I do have a problem with him thinking his genetics are so great. He is just average like Phil Heath,Ronnie Coleman, yourself,myself, and everyone else that picks up a weight and trains consistently. The human genome is not up for discussion as it is Scientific Fact that their is little variance in natural humans for muscle development.
Phil Heath never broke the 200 lb Ripped (2-5 percent bodyfat) under 6 Feet,Natural Barrier either, just like Coleman.never did.
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I'm saying he WAS natural then, not clean.
I want Adonis, or anyone else to show me the threads where Steve said otherwise.
What does that mean?
Natural but not clean?
You either are natural or not.
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They deleted them all when I brought attention to it.
At least Dante` admits it partially. I don`t care if Kuclo juices, but I do have a problem with him claiming Lifetime Natural and I do have a problem with him thinking his genetics are so great. He is just average like Phil Heath,Ronnie Coleman, yourself,myself, and everyone else that picks up a weight and trains consistently. The human genome is not up for discussion as it is Scientific Fact that their is little variance in natural humans for muscle development.
Phil Heath never broke the 200 lb Ripped (2-5 percent bodyfat) under 6 Feet,Natural Barrier either, just like Coleman.never did.
How about Vic Richards? The guy was a muscular 215 pounds at 15 years old before he ever touched a weight.
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I'm saying he WAS natural then, not clean.
I want Adonis, or anyone else to show me the threads where Steve said otherwise.
So you are admitting, in fact, that he used steroids at 16 and before.
I rest my case.
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They deleted them all when I brought attention to it.
At least Dante` admits it partially. I don`t care if Kuclo juices, but I do have a problem with him claiming Lifetime Natural and I do have a problem with him thinking his genetics are so great. He is just average like Phil Heath,Ronnie Coleman, yourself,myself, and everyone else that picks up a weight and trains consistently. The human genome is not up for discussion as it is Scientific Fact that their is little variance in natural humans for muscle development.
Phil Heath never broke the 200 lb Ripped (2-5 percent bodyfat) under 6 Feet,Natural Barrier either, just like Coleman.never did.
Steve has never claimed lifetime natural status. He does not think he is any genetic superbeing either.
He also NEVER made posts on bodybuilding.com asking about steroids. You can even search for his name there, he has never made a post on that site as far as I know.
At some point in time, the question arose as to whether or not Steve was natural at the time of his teen national wins. I replied that he was.
There was no more debate, or questioning after that.
He was natural for both of those shows, and was over 200lbs at both shows, as a teen. This is pretty impressive in my opinion.
Please remember that this is ME posting on this issue. NOT Steve. If you ever met him, you would see that he is not boastful or arrogant in any way.
And regarding the human genome, if you have a subscription to Discover magazine, there is an interesting article on that topic on page 32 of this month's issue.
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How about Vic Richards? The guy was a muscular 215 pounds at 15 years old before he ever touched a weight.
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So you are admitting, in fact, that he used steroids at 16 and before.
I rest my case.
Clean implies that he had used at some point, and it was he was "clean" of juice at the time of the show. This was not the case for him.
He was "natural." Meaning he had NEVER used steroids.
I did not want to get caught up in a word play game that I've seen people often use.
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Clean implies that he had used at some point, and it was he was "clean" of juice at the time of the show. This was not the case for him.
He was "natural." Meaning he had NEVER used steroids.
I did not want to get caught up in a word play game that I've seen people often use.
is there any pictures from his teen nationals show?
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is there any pictures from his teen nationals show?
www.repetrope.com should have photos of most national events.
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www.repetrope.com should have photos of most national events.
im not a member of that site and it looks like the site is designed for gays so i think ill pass on the membership, i thought you might have some pictures to prove your point.
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im not a member of that site and it looks like the site is designed for gays so i think ill pass on the membership, i thought you might have some pictures to prove your point.
pictures prove nothing.
repetrope is the company that photographs for the NPC at national shows. As far as I know, you don't have to be a member.
There are some photos of Steve on my website, see my signature.
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pictures prove nothing.
repetrope is the company that photographs for the NPC at national shows. As far as I know, you don't have to be a member.
There are some photos of Steve on my website, see my signature.
Ive seen pictures of him before, i want to see pictures of him from that teen nationals where he was supposed to be natural, if anyone could find them and post them up that would be great. are those on your site from that show?
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Ive seen pictures of him before, i want to see pictures of him from that teen nationals where he was supposed to be natural, if anyone could find them and post them up that would be great. are those on your site from that show?
I would like to view them as well.
A lot can be garnered from a simple set of photographs.
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Ive seen pictures of him before, i want to see pictures of him from that teen nationals where he was supposed to be natural, if anyone could find them and post them up that would be great. are those on your site from that show?
Yeah, there are a few on my site from both teen national shows. I'm sure you can also see photos at his site www.stevekuclo.com
But, the pictures don't prove anything.
The only thing I want to clear up is the bodybuilding.com posts. There were no posts made by Steve.
He never made a post on any site that would claim he was using or looking for steroids.
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Yeah, there are a few on my site from both teen national shows. I'm sure you can also see photos at his site www.stevekuclo.com
But, the pictures don't prove anything.
The only thing I want to clear up is the bodybuilding.com posts. There were no posts made by Steve.
He never made a post on any site that would claim he was using or looking for steroids.
You won`t find any by BIGSDAWG anymore either although DANTE` has admitted that they existed and so have many others. I have seen them myself.
Perhaps a deletion order ensued.
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You won`t find any by BIGSDAWG anymore either although DANTE` has admitted that they existed and so have many others. I have seen them myself.
Perhaps a deletion order ensued.
You know Steve didn't make any post there. You've seen bigsdawg's posts, but you never saw Steve's posts, because there weren't any.
Bigsdawg apparently used for 15 days, and then quit. So, whether or not that had any lasting benefit, he chose to discontinue, and train without the aid of aas.
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Justin, I am a big fan of you and Steve
especially Steve since as a teen bber myself, I am very impressed by his physique NATURAL OR NOT
it is useless to discuss here if Steve juiced or not, the fact his everyone can say whatever they want only him knows the truth.
while I won't say if I believe he is/was natural, I'll say that I almost never believe what people tell me about the subject as everyone are usually lying bout it weather it is the usage or the doses.
thanks for giving your side of the story, you should come here more often !
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Justin, I am a big fan of you and Steve
especially Steve since as a teen bber myself, I am very impressed by his physique NATURAL OR NOT
it is useless to discuss here if Steve juiced or not, the fact his everyone can say whatever they want only him knows the truth.
while I won't say if I believe he is/was natural, I'll say that I almost never believe what people tell me about the subject as everyone are usually lying bout it weather it is the usage or the doses.
thanks for giving your side of the story, you should come here more often !
Thank you.
What you say is true. I'm just here to stick of for a good friend, on things that I fully believe to be true.
And, all I've heard from anyone who's met Phil Heath, he's a great guy.
I keep my nose out of people's business for the most part. But, from everything I've heard about Phil, he's a "good" guy.
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When were steroids readily available to the public? I know that test was first synthisized back in the 30's I think, but I am talking about the general public being able to get a hold of them. Show me ONE picture of any bodybuilder before steroids that was as big as any of these guys today!
I'm not knockin any of these guy at all so don't miss understand me, but even 500mgs of test a week is going to put a hell of a lot of mass on a guy or even 3 Dbol. And I don't want to hear about better training methods or equipment either. Have you ever seen some of the shit that Arnold had to use? Better nutrition? Come on, nothing is better than whole foods.
Thanks for keeping it real. ;D
Disgusted, what do you think of the claim that Ronnie Coleman had never touched steroids when he turned pro? I know On Swole has also said Ronnie was natural and that he competed in his first pro shows completely natural. Could it be true?
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EVEN PHIL HEATH ADMITTED,
That he was NEVER over 200 lbs ripped under 6foot Natural.
He also said stated that his conditioning was not as good the closer he approached that figure.
Therefore, a lighter bodyweight, Natural(Provided he is as he stated) would have been ideal and not his higher one.
So Phil Heath by those standards, admits that he would have looked best in the 170s-180s as a Natural.
Interesting.
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This is where these kinds of peoples delusion comes in and im not specifically even talking about kuclo here either, they expect us to believe that they are clean or naturals when its so fucking obvious they arent, they protest it so much i think they even start to believe it themselves.
These are the same people who slam getbig.com, do they ever wonder why people like them get tore a new arsehole on here, because there lying pos's.
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This is where these kinds of peoples delusion comes in and im not specifically even talking about kuclo here either, they expect us to believe that they are clean or naturals when its so fucking obvious they arent, they protest it so much i think they even start to believe it themselves.
These are the same people who slam getbig.com, do they ever wonder why people like them get tore a new arsehole on here, because there lying pos's.
Who has protested it so much?
Most naturals I know barely talk about it. They have better things to talk about.
The people protesting it are the people saying they AREN'T natural. The people under suspect rarely, if ever post in these threads.
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Thanks for keeping it real. ;D
Disgusted, what do you think of the claim that Ronnie Coleman had never touched steroids when he turned pro? I know On Swole has also said Ronnie was natural and that he competed in his first pro shows completely natural. Could it be true?
Could it be true? Personally I don't think so. Not to slam anyone, but think of it this way, How can anyone!!! know what someone else is doing? One of my close friends kept his steroid use from his wife for all the years he was competing. She went around telling everyone that he was natural because this is what he told her. You don't get any closer to someome than that. Not unless you are with them 24/7 even when they are taking a shit.
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Could it be true? Personally I don't think so. Not to slam anyone, but think of it this way, How can anyone!!! know what someone else is doing? One of my close friends kept his steroid use from his wife for all the years he was competing. She went around telling everyone that he was natural because this is what he told her. You don't get any closer to someome than that. Not unless you are with them 24/7 even when they are taking a shit.
So disgusted in your mind everyone is guilty until proven otherwise? How do they prove otherwise?
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For me it's not about proving someone guilty or not, it's about being realistic. The steroid era physiques are just different, not just bodyweight wise but quality wise.
If we trust we trust Ronnie when he said he was natural when winning his card we should trust what he said circa 1996 "I've never done steroids, I've never even smoked marijuana!". I mean his word is good right? How do we know WHEN he lies and when he just jokes around?
Look at the pics here:
http://metroflexgym.com/ronnie.htm
Doesn't look like he made THAT huge a leap between 1991 and 1996. DC which year do you think he started using?
The way I see it, juice definitely from 1991 at the latest (probably cycled for YEARS at that point)... 1996-98 high dose insulin/gh coctail to make the big leap to Olympia status.
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Anyone have pics of Ronnie from 1991? From the Universe?
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Because there are millions of people who take steroids.....none who get onstage at 286 to 303lbs. A normal enhanced 5'10" man is up there at 225 to 235. A very special person with elite genetics and enhanced will be up there at 240 to 255lbs. Coleman is up there 50lbs of muscle mass over those people. I dont expect the most massively muscled enhanced bodybuilder of this generation to be comparable to the average good natural bodybuilder if he were also natural. I would expect him also to set the standard of being the most massive natural bodybuilder just as he did enhanced.
Van if a freind of yours that you knew well was an elite bodybuilder and "said person" had absolutely no clue at all (I mean zilch) about any kind of bodybuilding pharmacopia would that prove to you that he is clean? To the point that he decided at one point to use (to get on a level playing field) and you Van had to teach him from scratch the most bottom of the barrel basics? Because I know of a situation just like that happening (from the guy who had to teach him)
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Dante, you can't compare to the millions of people who take steroids. Pros don't just take steroids, they practically mainline the stuff. That said, Phil is even ahead of those who do mainline it, so yes, he is very above average with his response to all the factors of bodybuilding.
Never let us forget that Phil did not even break the 200 lbs Ripped Barrier as a Natural as per` his own admittance. Add the fact that he readily pointed out that he would have looked best at 170-180 lbs.
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The BEST "enhanced" bodybuilders in the world (eg. Ronnie, Dexter, Jay, DHenry) would be the BEST natural (drugfree) bodybuilders in the world. I know, it's hard to swallow but bb is all about genetics!
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The BEST "enhanced" bodybuilders in the world (eg. Ronnie, Dexter, Jay, DHenry) would be the BEST natural (drugfree) bodybuilders in the world. I know, it's hard to swallow but bb is all about genetics!
No you have to account for response to drugs which is not always the same among the genetically gifted.
Let's assume La Cour is natural and is among the best naturals. Do you think he would be top 3 Olympia juiced? Nope.
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So disgusted in your mind everyone is guilty until proven otherwise? How do they prove otherwise?
Who says anyone has to be guilty? All I'm saying is that you or anyone else does not absolutley know that Ronnie never took steroids before he was pro. That is a fact.
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What does he mean "looked best"? He still has good lines at 216.
I don't know what he would have looked like as a natural, but one thing is obvious and that is that as a juiced bodybuilder he looks great. There is no pro who would ever win a state show as a natural, period.
We are not speaking of him post 200.
He said in an aforementioned post, that in the low 190s his conditioning was off. So, had he been a lower bodyweight, he would have looked his absolute best.
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Who says anyone has to be guilty? All I'm saying is that you or anyone else does not absolutley know that Ronnie never took steroids before he was pro. That is a fact.
A HARD FACT!
Disgusted. Please remain accessible as I see you as part of the new breed of truth talkers. Welcome aboard.
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The BEST "enhanced" bodybuilders in the world (eg. Ronnie, Dexter, Jay, DHenry) would be the BEST natural (drugfree) bodybuilders in the world. I know, it's hard to swallow but bb is all about genetics!
That is not true at all.
There is no correlation of a top Natural bodybuilder, once enhanced, will become the crème de' le' crème of the IFBB world.
The inverse also applies. The Top juiced bodybuilders, if Natural, would not necessarily be the finest in the Natural world.
IT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT AT ALL!
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A HARD FACT!
Disgusted. Please remain accessible as I see you as part of the new breed of truth talkers. Welcome aboard.
I guess I am a truth talker to a degree, but I also respect a lot of these guys so I do not want to come off as insulting them. I think Ronnie is a freak and I am a big fan of freaks but that's just me. I personally don't care how much or little Ronnie takes, I still admire the amount of mass that he is carrying. What I don't like is some of these guys claiming to be natural when in fact they are not. It's a small world when it some to bodybuilding trust me.
Now I want to make a comment on about Phil Heath. Phil seems like a down to earth type guy and pretty cool. I think that he has an awesome physique. Freaky arms shoulders and forearms. Phil does not come on here and make claims about being natural or not taking this or that. (as far as I know). Now, some people do come on here who may or may not be his friends and makes claims about how little that he takes. Maybe he does, but that is not that point .By saying this kind of stuff I think it actually takes away from Phil. Why can't we just let Phil's physique speak for itself. So what if he takes more or less he is great no matter what.
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That is not true at all.
There is no correlation of a top Natural bodybuilder, once enhanced, will become the crème de' le' crème of the IFBB world.
The inverse also applies. The Top juiced bodybuilders, if Natural, would not necessarily be the finest in the Natural world.
IT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT AT ALL!
This is true. Everyone responds differently to drugs.
I have always said that the best bodybuiler to ever live never touched a weight in his life. He's probabely some guy with a beer gut who golfs everyday. :P
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The inverse also applies. The Top juiced bodybuilders, if Natural, would not necessarily be the finest in the Natural world.
Yup, all we have to do is look at pics of the clean Mike Morris. He was NOTHING clean, and clean only a few months. Some may say he was still crashing at that point but I think he would look even worse if he competed now. Certainly smaller because some steroid induced size can be maintained for a good while and it may come off pretty slowly.
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Because there are millions of people who take steroids.....none who get onstage at 286 to 303lbs. A normal enhanced 5'10" man is up there at 225 to 235. A very special person with elite genetics and enhanced will be up there at 240 to 255lbs. Coleman is up there 50lbs of muscle mass over those people. I dont expect the most massively muscled enhanced bodybuilder of this generation to be comparable to the average good natural bodybuilder if he were also natural. I would expect him also to set the standard of being the most massive natural bodybuilder just as he did enhanced.
Van if a freind of yours that you knew well was an elite bodybuilder and "said person" had absolutely no clue at all (I mean zilch) about any kind of bodybuilding pharmacopia would that prove to you that he is clean? To the point that he decided at one point to use (to get on a level playing field) and you Van had to teach him from scratch the most bottom of the barrel basics? Because I know of a situation just like that happening (from the guy who had to teach him)
With all due respect DC (and I genuinely mean that, not like some who use that phrase as a preface for facetiousness)
you have to qualify a lot here.
Pro's are doing a little (sarcasm) more than just your average gym rats cycle of 600 deca/and dbol cycle for 12 weeks.
That said, all the roids in the world won't help the genetic inferior win a show but you can bet your ass he'll grow like a weed up to a point. Pro's do crazy amounts for crazy amounts of time and you've spelled this out in the past pretty clearly when you were talking about how top pros never come off.
It's disingenuous to compare someone doing a recreational cycle for a few months 2x per year to a pscyho professional who lives and dies so they can be huge. For Christs sake guys are losing kidneys left and right, and you can argue that it's the diuretic abuse(because it is), but it paints a clear picture of *what they're willing to do* to get a certain look at the expense of their own life. The same attitude most hold true for anabolic/gh use, it just goes to reason that the all-or-die principle is active year round, not just when it comes time to dry out. This is the mentality of a pro.
Moreover, the mentality of what it takes to be a pro today.
Pro's have gotten consistently bigger for the past 30 years. You can't say it's due to nutritional advances or advances in training. An egg still has 5 grams of protein and 200 pounds is still 200 pounds unless you're on the moon.
I think guys trained harder/smarter in the 70's or 80's anyway.
Shit, in the 70's guys were going apeshit with tons of food and doing arcane shit like drinking chickens blood
(heard that directly from a former competitor) and anything else you can fathom. BUT, a cycle of 600 mg deca/and 20 mg. dbol was considered "high tech" in 1979, as well as "pushing it". I'm not pulling that out of my ass either, this was
from a competitor who answered all of my questions straight up. (Jeff Sneed) Who, was nice enough to pull me aside and say ...."don't take GH whatever you do, kid don't do it, I regret ever touching it"
To *some* extent you can argue that the pro ranks are pulling from a *larger* (not specifically better) gene pool
than they were 30 years ago, but you can't reasonably argue that a 1984 Lee Haney had any less better genetics than what we see now genetically speaking? Has evolution logarithmically advanced in 20 years time?
So what then is the reason pros keep getting freakier and bigger for the past 20 years?
Muscletech? No. More and more and more copious amounts of everything drug related.
To ignore this is just silly. I've indulged and as I sit here I can confidently say that the only thing standing between me
and another 10 pounds LBM is more sauce/varied compounds, higher cals and another 12-16 months of training.
So many guys bullshit about the drug issue it's just ridiculous. As much as Adonis is a fucking pain in the ass, he
sometimes makes a point..even if it's on the top of his head.
As for Heath....well only he knows the truth of the matter..and he ain't talking. ;)
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BTW, does anyone have any pics of Ronnie when he turned pro.
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With all due respect DC (and I genuinely mean that, not like some who use that phrase as a preface for facetiousness)
you have to qualify a lot here.
Pro's are doing a little (sarcasm) more than just your average gym rats cycle of 600 deca/and dbol cycle for 12 weeks.
That said, all the roids in the world won't help the genetic inferior win a show but you can bet your ass he'll grow like a weed up to a point. Pro's do crazy amounts for crazy amounts of time and you've spelled this out in the past pretty clearly when you were talking about how top pros never come off.
It's disingenuous to compare someone doing a recreational cycle for a few months 2x per year to a pscyho professional who lives and dies so they can be huge. For Christs sake guys are losing kidneys left and right, and you can argue that it's the diuretic abuse(because it is), but it paints a clear picture of *what they're willing to do* to get a certain look at the expense of their own life. The same attitude most hold true for anabolic/gh use, it just goes to reason that the all-or-die principle is active year round, not just when it comes time to dry out. This is the mentality of a pro.
Moreover, the mentality of what it takes to be a pro today.
Pro's have gotten consistently bigger for the past 30 years. You can't say it's due to nutritional advances or advances in training. An egg still has 5 grams of protein and 200 pounds is still 200 pounds unless you're on the moon.
I think guys trained harder/smarter in the 70's or 80's anyway.
Shit, in the 70's guys were going apeshit with tons of food and doing arcane shit like drinking chickens blood
(heard that directly from a former competitor) and anything else you can fathom. BUT, a cycle of 600 mg deca/and 20 mg. dbol was considered "high tech" in 1979, as well as "pushing it". I'm not pulling that out of my ass either, this was
from a competitor who answered all of my questions straight up. (Jeff Sneed) Who, was nice enough to pull me aside and say ...."don't take GH whatever you do, kid don't do it, I regret ever touching it"
To *some* extent you can argue that the pro ranks are pulling from a *larger* (not specifically better) gene pool
than they were 30 years ago, but you can't reasonably argue that a 1984 Lee Haney had any less better genetics than what we see now genetically speaking? Has evolution logarithmically advanced in 20 years time?
So what then is the reason pros keep getting freakier and bigger for the past 20 years?
Muscletech? No. More and more and more copious amounts of everything drug related.
To ignore this is just silly. I've indulged and as I sit here I can confidently say that the only thing standing between me
and another 10 pounds LBM is more sauce/varied compounds, higher cals and another 12-16 months of training.
So many guys bullshit about the drug issue it's just ridiculous. As much as Adonis is a fucking pain in the ass, he
sometimes makes a point..even if it's on the top of his head.
As for Heath....well only he knows the truth of the matter..and he ain't talking. ;)
Award winning post. Keep the Truth Alive!
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Some of these guy from years ago where pretty smart when it came to nutrtion. If anything food was most likely better quality back then too. Maybe it's a coincidence, but physiques took a huge leap in size when drugs became available.
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With all due respect DC (and I genuinely mean that, not like some who use that phrase as a preface for facetiousness)
you have to qualify a lot here.
Pro's are doing a little (sarcasm) more than just your average gym rats cycle of 600 deca/and dbol cycle for 12 weeks.
That said, all the roids in the world won't help the genetic inferior win a show but you can bet your ass he'll grow like a weed up to a point. Pro's do crazy amounts for crazy amounts of time and you've spelled this out in the past pretty clearly when you were talking about how top pros never come off.
It's disingenuous to compare someone doing a recreational cycle for a few months 2x per year to a pscyho professional who lives and dies so they can be huge. For Christs sake guys are losing kidneys left and right, and you can argue that it's the diuretic abuse(because it is), but it paints a clear picture of *what they're willing to do* to get a certain look at the expense of their own life. The same attitude most hold true for anabolic/gh use, it just goes to reason that the all-or-die principle is active year round, not just when it comes time to dry out. This is the mentality of a pro.
Moreover, the mentality of what it takes to be a pro today.
Pro's have gotten consistently bigger for the past 30 years. You can't say it's due to nutritional advances or advances in training. An egg still has 5 grams of protein and 200 pounds is still 200 pounds unless you're on the moon.
I think guys trained harder/smarter in the 70's or 80's anyway.
Shit, in the 70's guys were going apeshit with tons of food and doing arcane shit like drinking chickens blood
(heard that directly from a former competitor) and anything else you can fathom. BUT, a cycle of 600 mg deca/and 20 mg. dbol was considered "high tech" in 1979, as well as "pushing it". I'm not pulling that out of my ass either, this was
from a competitor who answered all of my questions straight up. (Jeff Sneed) Who, was nice enough to pull me aside and say ...."don't take GH whatever you do, kid don't do it, I regret ever touching it"
To *some* extent you can argue that the pro ranks are pulling from a *larger* (not specifically better) gene pool
than they were 30 years ago, but you can't reasonably argue that a 1984 Lee Haney had any less better genetics than what we see now genetically speaking? Has evolution logarithmically advanced in 20 years time?
So what then is the reason pros keep getting freakier and bigger for the past 20 years?
Muscletech? No. More and more and more copious amounts of everything drug related.
To ignore this is just silly. I've indulged and as I sit here I can confidently say that the only thing standing between me
and another 10 pounds LBM is more sauce/varied compounds, higher cals and another 12-16 months of training.
So many guys bullshit about the drug issue it's just ridiculous. As much as Adonis is a fucking pain in the ass, he
sometimes makes a point..even if it's on the top of his head.
As for Heath....well only he knows the truth of the matter..and he ain't talking. ;)
Good post.
Also, if Ronnie is so gifted he turned pro natural how come he must now do so many steroids he has massive gyno that keeps coming back after repeated surgeries (I assume he's had them cut off a few times)?
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Good post.
Also, if Ronnie is so gifted he turned pro natural how come he must now do so many steroids he has massive gyno that keeps coming back after repeated surgeries (I assume he's had them cut off a few times)?
A surgeon will not typically remove the entire gland and with it's receptors.
Once the tissue has been sensitized to estrogen it's that much easier for another case to develop.
Also, even the strongest aromatase inhibitors/receptor antagonists will not stop ALL of the estrogen
from either forming or competing for the receptor site.
Consider metastatic breast cancer where these drugs are used for therapeutic effect.
They don't stop all the estrogen. Factor in the massive doses of aromatizing compounds being used by pros
and the massive amounts of estrogen they create. Then compare that with the small amounts of estrogen
created endogenously in a female with metastatic breast cancer who takes the same drugs.
An honest pro will tell you straight up that if you're doing what's necessary to be a pro, it's pretty much guaranteed
that you will eventually get gyno. It's that simple.
Just look at the roster of pros that are on the most popular "gyno specialist" websites. And these guys are not ignorant about gear use/estrogen inhibition/drug knowledge. Quite the opposite.
It's a who's who in BBing.
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Check page seven of this thread:
http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/showthread.php?t=722
I'm not sure what pages the other ones are on, but I think there are two or three on that thread of when Ronnie turned pro.
Found this one on that page:
(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1577&stc=1)
UNBELIEVABLE :o
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Check page seven of this thread:
http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/showthread.php?t=722
I'm not sure what pages the other ones are on, but I think there are two or three on that thread of when Ronnie turned pro.
Ronnie is just ridiculous.
Cutler can win 20 Sandows but Ron will forever own him.
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Phil, no one is saying you don't train with intensity and eat big. We're just also pointing out the fact that you and every other pro use a lot of gear to help you get where you are.
Forgive me - is something I said here untrue?
Didn't think so!
It's not called "hate" (except on mayhem) but "reality". Don't expect us to deny facts.
However, guys like TA and I would be far less vocal and even angry about this if more pros stopped touting genetic superiority and acknowledged the effectiveness of gear.
We get that you train hard and eat tons. What we also get is that the only difference between an IFBB pro and an NGA pro is an injection - despite upwards of 50-100 pounds more muscle. That difference lies 100% in a syringe. Just keep it real and you will have our respect.
Your a fucking idiot !!!
He is called the gift for a reason...GENETICS !!
You DONT have the same aptitude for the spport..
So Get it thru your head, and don't spew shit because your a jealous bastard...
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This is exactly the reason why pro's dont post here. He made one post and you post some ignorant shit like this.
How about you only post things that you would say to his face, and not smart ass comments that sound funny while your typing away on your cum stained keyboard.
Well said !! FUCK TA & MATT C... We have had this argument a hundred times.
TA & MMATT C can do all the juice they want, and they will NEVER win a regional title.
GET OVER IT & accept it.. He is called the GIFT for a reason..
I believe Heath was able to slam dunk a basketball in college..
THAT is so rare at his height... What is TA's & Matt c's explanation for that ??
Those 2 spew so much shit it has become boring..
BTW TA, you look like shit !!
Your hamstrings & calves are EXTINCT !!!
And you look like an ugly version of Mike Katz.
There is an old saying...
"Spittin in the wind comes back at you twice as hard"
All you do is attack people... So how do you like it when people attack you ??
YOUR UGLY & you suck !!
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I'm thinking 235-240 at around 6% bodyfat.
It's going to be difficult to get DOWN to 235. I'm not sure if I can do it, and keep lifting weights at the same time. I may have to quit doing everything but cardio to get to that. Even being 100% clean, if I weight train 3 days a week, doing 3-4 sets per bodypart, I'm worried that I won't be able to drop below 255-260.
Should be a fun challange.
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Prince at his best...
I hate to rag on a guy who's got one foot in the grave but...
Prince looked awesome when fully loaded, and he did have excellent genetics such as thickness and shape
and that polished "pro quality" structure that drugs won't give you, but FFS he's delusional.
He's a unique case in that he fucked his health so bad that we'll never really know what he'd look like off the sauce and still training and eating well. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say
Mike Morris(now)+ 10 pounds. But that may be pushing it.
240 @ 6%...????? Not with all the tribulus and T3 in the world.
Shit that's an NPC super heavy or even an IFBB smaller freak right there and he thinks he's going to do it sans drugs? I gotta wonder if he really believed that or if it was written in a nubain haze.
If that was true then why even bother taking drugs and accepting all the risks that go with their use.
I can understand the mentality that creates this sort of drivel.
It's the need to grant credence to his hard work and sacrifice (which is real) and the need
to have others think he's somehow "unique" in a way that others can only dream of.
Otherwise, why post this shit on a public board that at that time drawed a lot of attention.
But i don't know who's more delusional....Prince or the guys on mayhem who believed him and
fueled his delusion.
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some of these guys are so delusional its not even worth having the conversation.
they are so consumed with the thoughts of drugs that they cant accept the fact that guys like phil heath were born with genetic abilities that they could only dream of.
i have been around so many guys that i have seen using massive amounts of aas and look like nothing.
of course drugs is a part of the equation but genetics is by far the most important thing in bodybuilding.
if you are genetically gifted first.
bust your ass in the gym and get your diet on point second.
then add some drugs to the mix you may be able to build a good physique.
but without the genetics all the drugs in the world arent gonna matter.
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some of these guys are so delusional its not even worth having the conversation.
i have been around so many guys that i have seen using massive amounts of aas and look like nothing.
Ain't that the truth.
Guy at my gym has been on for one year straight and is lucky if he has 16" arms. Looks horrible.
The worst part is that he still thinks more drugs are the answer.
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to be a sucessfull pro today you have to be ON. Be as genetically gift as you want, eat as clean as you want, it won't matter. You will be only end up of being an unknown natty (dime a dozen).
lol, look at it this way. The gifted one realized after 1 show that he was playing in the junior league and decided to take gear and join the major leagues. If he is genetically gifted as his name implies why does he take steriods? unless ofcourse that steroids plays a major part in being a pro.
How much of a role does it play? I am guess that is where the genetics comes into play. Same for nutrition.
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EVEN PHIL HEATH ADMITTED,
That he was NEVER over 200 lbs ripped under 6foot Natural.
He also said stated that his conditioning was not as good the closer he approached that figure.
Therefore, a lighter bodyweight, Natural(Provided he is as he stated) would have been ideal and not his higher one.
So Phil Heath by those standards, admits that he would have looked best in the 170s-180s as a Natural.
Interesting.
Actually I didn't say anything about that, but was pretty ripped up at over 200lbs before and I have never competed at 170-180 range.
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Ok, Ok, guys enough with the talk about gear and other stupid things. This is being way overly redundant and we could be having dialogue about something more interesting. I appreciate the many people that have contributed and viewed this thread as it has become one of the best threads. However, I'd rather talk about new topics because this exact topic that is being discussed was actually mentioned earlier during my run for the USA's and 06' shows.
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Ok, Ok, guys enough with the talk about gear and other stupid things. This is being way overly redundant and we could be having dialogue about something more interesting. I appreciate the many people that have contributed and viewed this thread as it has become one of the best threads. However, I'd rather talk about new topics because this exact topic that is being discussed was actually mentioned earlier during my run for the USA's and 06' shows.
Agreed.
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Ok, Ok, guys enough with the talk about gear and other stupid things. This is being way overly redundant and we could be having dialogue about something more interesting. I appreciate the many people that have contributed and viewed this thread as it has become one of the best threads. However, I'd rather talk about new topics because this exact topic that is being discussed was actually mentioned earlier during my run for the USA's and 06' shows.
fine Phil,
my girlfriend hates 99.9% bodybuilders .....by chance she happened to be passing by while I was reading this thread and saw your 1st contest pic. Needless to say she is now a fan of yours :)
I told her that you were trying to pack on some real size, that is when is she walked away shaking her head in disapproval.
I only bring this up to segway to the point of taking BB mainstream. You mention this as a goal of yours, but perception is reality. And America's perception is "steroids are bad" and that BB is "all drugs".
In their eyes taking creatine and whey protein is equal to taking steroids. What are your plans on educating the masses?
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Another question if I may. I am not sure if you answered this already or not. What is your contest prep like as far as doing cardio? Priest has stated that he does 2hr/day right up to the day of the show. Others like Dexter say 0 cardio.
What works for you?
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Ok, Ok, guys enough with the talk about gear and other stupid things. This is being way overly redundant and we could be having dialogue about something more interesting. I appreciate the many people that have contributed and viewed this thread as it has become one of the best threads. However, I'd rather talk about new topics because this exact topic that is being discussed was actually mentioned earlier during my run for the USA's and 06' shows.
is hany rambod a drug guru?
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Ok, Ok, guys enough with the talk about gear and other stupid things. This is being way overly redundant and we could be having dialogue about something more interesting. I appreciate the many people that have contributed and viewed this thread as it has become one of the best threads. However, I'd rather talk about new topics because this exact topic that is being discussed was actually mentioned earlier during my run for the USA's and 06' shows.
Exactly !! One of the great young stars TRIES to trust us enuff to post here. Phil also Puts us on notice that he is aware of the potential for bullshit-but he tests the waters.. The first thing that happens is MATT C & TA spew their jealousy-filled insults & presumptions. EXACTLY as we all knew would happen !!
It is because of little weasels like you that PRO's don't post here.
I would NEVER post here if I was a pro !! WHY ??? To have asswipes like TA & MATT C draw attention to a potential illegal activity that DOESN't concern them at all... Over & Over & OVER & OVER AGAIN ??
You 2 guys are LOSERS... Why do you assholes keep insisting on talking about gear when the pros arent biting on your "Phishing" trip ? Cant you EVER talk about anything else.
Wanna hear a funny one ? "TA could be Mr. Olympia if ONLY he used the same gear as Cutler"
I will never respond to your bullshit again & waste my time, so don't bother writing. Get off this board TA & go jerk off at a natural show. EVERYBODY thinks your an asshole anyway..
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Exactly !! One of the great young stars TRIES to trust us enuff to post here. Phil also Puts us on notice that he is aware of the potential for bullshit-but he tests the waters.. The first thing that happens is MATT C & TA spew their jealousy-filled insults & presumptions. EXACTLY as we all knew would happen !!
It is because of little weasels like you that PRO's don't post here.
I would NEVER post here if I was a pro !! WHY ??? To have asswipes like TA & MATT C draw attention to a potential illegal activity that DOESN't concern them at all... Over & Over & OVER & OVER AGAIN ??
You 2 guys are LOSERS... Why do you assholes keep insisting on talking about gear when the pros arent biting on your "Phishing" trip ? Cant you EVER talk about anything else.
Wanna hear a funny one ? "TA could be Mr. Olympia if ONLY he used the same gear as Cutler"
I will never respond to your bullshit again & waste my time, so don't bother writing. Get off this board TA & go jerk off at a natural show. EVERYBODY thinks your an asshole anyway..
couldn't agree with u more....i would also like to ask phil about his highvolume training since i'm doing something similar and also i'm very curious about his off season and precontest nutrition...
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I'm thinking 235-240 at around 6% bodyfat.
It's going to be difficult to get DOWN to 235. I'm not sure if I can do it, and keep lifting weights at the same time. I may have to quit doing everything but cardio to get to that. Even being 100% clean, if I weight train 3 days a week, doing 3-4 sets per bodypart, I'm worried that I won't be able to drop below 255-260.
Should be a fun challange.
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Prince at his best...
I hate to rag on a guy who's got one foot in the grave but...
Prince looked awesome when fully loaded, and he did have excellent genetics such as thickness and shape
and that polished "pro quality" structure that drugs won't give you, but FFS he's delusional.
He's a unique case in that he fucked his health so bad that we'll never really know what he'd look like off the sauce and still training and eating well. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say
Mike Morris(now)+ 10 pounds. But that may be pushing it.
240 @ 6%...????? Not with all the tribulus and T3 in the world.
Shit that's an NPC super heavy or even an IFBB smaller freak right there and he thinks he's going to do it sans drugs? I gotta wonder if he really believed that or if it was written in a nubain haze.
If that was true then why even bother taking drugs and accepting all the risks that go with their use.
I can understand the mentality that creates this sort of drivel.
It's the need to grant credence to his hard work and sacrifice (which is real) and the need
to have others think he's somehow "unique" in a way that others can only dream of.
Otherwise, why post this shit on a public board that at that time drawed a lot of attention.
But i don't know who's more delusional....Prince or the guys on mayhem who believed him and
fueled his delusion.
check out my response to TP in that thread on the same page...Monster Predictions
;D
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Yo, Yo, Yo!
Just wanted to chime in and say thanks for the posts, as they've been pretty cool. I can only say that the pics are real and that I specifically trained for my first show in October of '02 and weigh around 190lbs. I find it interesting how some speculate what I was so called "doing/taking" while playing bball, but they fail to realize that the damn NCAA actually tests, and guess who got tested...me. I was the one getting tested because of how I was able to gain muscle faster than others, but I didn't even trip because my whole family is athletic. I weighed in at 192lbs for the Northern CO (apr '03) then 196lbs (june '03). I wasn't as sharp as the first show because I graduated three wks out from college and didn't follow the bber gameplan if you can catch my drift. I didn't really diet at all because of my friends telling me that I've got good genetics. I ain't saying that I'm superior over anyone, so let's stop that right there, but understand that I was made for this sport just like LeBron and Tiger were for theirs and no one can tell me different because if it was that easy, then everyone could do it.
Now, I really want to say thanks for everyone keeping this thread clean and leaving out the childish posts. I have no problem with opinions of others, as long as they can back it up, in addition to it being respectful to me as I will be onto them. Oh, about that post referring to me being insulted by Hany Rambod, there wasn't any harm in that article as he was explaining that I have much to learn in training. Everyone can learn something which is why we read about the sport of bodybuilding, so my intelligence was never insulted. I've trained with various bbers and have realized that I've been able to excel without knowing much about training which is cool because once I do, then watch out baby! Again, thanks for all of the contributors to this thread, I really appreciate your responses.
Take care and good night! Gotta get some rest for my last guest posing of the year tomorrow in Salt Lake City Utah!
You said you were 196 and not as sharp as you were at 192.
And you weren`t in your absolute best condition at 192.
So the 180s would have been ideal.
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Exactly !! One of the great young stars TRIES to trust us enuff to post here. Phil also Puts us on notice that he is aware of the potential for bullshit-but he tests the waters.. The first thing that happens is MATT C & TA spew their jealousy-filled insults & presumptions. EXACTLY as we all knew would happen !!
It is because of little weasels like you that PRO's don't post here.
I would NEVER post here if I was a pro !! WHY ??? To have asswipes like TA & MATT C draw attention to a potential illegal activity that DOESN't concern them at all... Over & Over & OVER & OVER AGAIN ??
You 2 guys are LOSERS... Why do you assholes keep insisting on talking about gear when the pros arent biting on your "Phishing" trip ? Cant you EVER talk about anything else.
Wanna hear a funny one ? "TA could be Mr. Olympia if ONLY he used the same gear as Cutler"
I will never respond to your bullshit again & waste my time, so don't bother writing. Get off this board TA & go jerk off at a natural show. EVERYBODY thinks your an asshole anyway..
Who said that about me being Jay Cutler?
I sure didn`t.
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TA, steroids will make you popular.
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No matter what, Heath has a classic physique with great symmetry and aesthetics. He has a tremendous amount of potential to be very successful if he doesn't go overboard. He also has a marketable appeal seeing how he doesn't look like he just got off the streets/rolled out of the bar/tattoo obsession/etc.
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Thank you.
What you say is true. I'm just here to stick of for a good friend, on things that I fully believe to be true.
And, all I've heard from anyone who's met Phil Heath, he's a great guy.
I keep my nose out of people's business for the most part. But, from everything I've heard about Phil, he's a "good" guy.
Its good to hear that you're sticking around, you have a lot to offer Getbig.
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fine Phil,
my girlfriend hates 99.9% bodybuilders .....by chance she happened to be passing by while I was reading this thread and saw your 1st contest pic. Needless to say she is now a fan of yours :)
I told her that you were trying to pack on some real size, that is when is she walked away shaking her head in disapproval.
I only bring this up to segway to the point of taking BB mainstream. You mention this as a goal of yours, but perception is reality. And America's perception is "steroids are bad" and that BB is "all drugs".
In their eyes taking creatine and whey protein is equal to taking steroids. What are your plans on educating the masses?
For God's sake bro, could you please stop talking about your girlfriend...just kidding bro, no harm. Some girl's are going to have their own perceptions as to what looks good, as we can look too big offseason. However, I am doing what has worked in the past, just taking my training to the next level. If someone is to think taking creatine and protein equal to taking steriods, then they are completely ignorant and probably have no interest in health and fitness. As for my plans on educating these ppl, I actually have had a dinner metting with one of our new Colorado candidates for governor and mentioned how important it is to educate ppl on health & fitness. Being apart of one's state governor board of health & fitness can help bring new light to this topic and that is what I hope to accomplish.
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For God's sake bro, could you please stop talking about your girlfriend...just kidding bro, no harm. Some girl's are going to have their own perceptions as to what looks good, as we can look too big offseason. However, I am doing what has worked in the past, just taking my training to the next level. If someone is to think taking creatine and protein equal to taking steriods, then they are completely ignorant and probably have no interest in health and fitness. As for my plans on educating these ppl, I actually have had a dinner metting with one of our new Colorado candidates for governor and mentioned how important it is to educate ppl on health & fitness. Being apart of one's state governor board of health & fitness can help bring new light to this topic and that is what I hope to accomplish.
Sounds like great goals Phil, best of luck!
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Key word here is IF he doesn't go overboard. Hopefully his mentality is closer to that of Shawn Ray or Bob Paris and not other pros who do as much as possible to get as big as possible as fast as possible. IF he keeps progressing as he has and doesn't take things too far he will do very, very well.
Don't you worry about that because I will never get greedy and sacrifice my lines for low-level mass. Remember, I'm 26 not 36 and also haven't trained that long, so I will probably continue to grow. Now, when do I draw the line, well let's just say that I'm no idiot.
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Sorry Phil. You must gain much more mass. If you are in THIS condition,you should be way bigger.
OK you have a nice line. But,youll end up like Darrem of this year.I hope you best wishes.
(http://img106.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-30699/loc371/29331_8_122_371lo.jpg)
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Shawn could have won the Olympia if he had just upped the dosage a little.
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe he'd have done worse, maybe he'd only developed a nice gut and fallen in his placings. I don't think he used Mickey Mouse dosages either, I'm sure he used his fair share and not that much less than the others.
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Don't you worry about that because I will never get greedy and sacrifice my lines for low-level mass. Remember, I'm 26 not 36 and also haven't trained that long, so I will probably continue to grow. Now, when do I draw the line, well let's just say that I'm no idiot.
Thanks. Good to hear that at least some pros seem to have a functioning brain. ;D
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You said you were 196 and not as sharp as you were at 192.
And you weren`t in your absolute best condition at 192.
So the 180s would have been ideal.
I disagree because you weren't at the contest. Obviously the Colorado Pro show was my best conditioning, but my first show would be second to that as it was pretty good.
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I disagree because you weren't at the contest. Obviously the Colorado Pro show was my best conditioning, but my first show would be second to that as it was pretty good.
Yeah, I wouldn't worry about what TA says.
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Sorry Phil. You must gain much more mass. If you are in THIS condition,you should be way bigger.
OK you have a nice line. But,youll end up like Darrem of this year.I hope you best wishes.
(http://img106.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-30699/loc371/29331_8_122_371lo.jpg)
Email my nutritionist with that idea, as it doesn't appeal to us right now. You haven't a clue what I weighed in last year's offseason as compared to this year's. Knowing those numbers would tell you that progress has already been achieved, which is my ultimate goal...progress. Thanks for your contribution.
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Phil Heath striking back, he has the potential to be SQUAD approved.
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I disagree because you weren't at the contest. Obviously the Colorado Pro show was my best conditioning, but my first show would be second to that as it was pretty good.
Why do you disagree?
You said your first show you were 192 and that you were not at your best. Come to think of it, there is a margin of error for scales and given the fluxuation in bodily fluids, you would have measured in the 180s anyways on certain sclaes.
So if you were not at your best for your show at 192, then how would you not be better in the 180s?
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Chicks dig muscle!!!
In the short-term, yes.
In the long run, chicks dig earning power and consistency.
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In the short-term, yes.
In the long run, chicks dig earning power and consistency.
Translation = I used to hate all the big guys in school cos they got all the chicks, and so I spent all my weekends learning to earn money while the other guys got laid
(Only kidding ;D)
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Translation = I used to hate all the big guys in school because they got all the chicks, and so I spent all my weekends learning to earn a $1 while the other guys got laid
(Just telling the truth :))
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Why do you disagree?
You said your first show you were 192 and that you were not at your best. Come to think of it, there is a margin of error for scales and given the fluxuation in bodily fluids, you would have measured in the 180s anyways on certain sclaes.
So if you were not at your best for your show at 192, then how would you not be better in the 180s?
When you lose too much you can sacrifice necessary fullness and hardness. I lost about 10lbs of water from the day before and I was pretty hard. Of course I'm going to say that it wasn't my best showing because it was my very first contest. I weighed in at 192 for that show in the morning as the promoter offered it for many of us because the show was far away from Denver. I think if I would've been in the 180s then I would've been flat and we all know that it is still a muscle contest, with conditioning of course. It's very similar to this year's Colorado Pro show as I came in shredded and could've lost more, but I would've lost muscle and probably come in like crap.
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When you lose too much you can sacrifice necessary fullness and hardness. I lost about 10lbs of water from the day before and I was pretty hard. Of course I'm going to say that it wasn't my best showing because it was my very first contest. I weighed in at 192 for that show in the morning as the promoter offered it for many of us because the show was far away from Denver. I think if I would've been in the 180s then I would've been flat and we all know that it is still a muscle contest, with conditioning of course. It's very similar to this year's Colorado Pro show as I came in shredded and could've lost more, but I would've lost muscle and probably come in like crap.
Another question for you Phil,
If you could look ANY POSSIBLE way, what would be your ideal weight?
What would be your dream goal?
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Another question for you Phil,
If you could look ANY POSSIBLE way, what would be your ideal weight?
What would be your dream goal?
I don't think you should set goals for yourself by ideal weight. Many people just want to face the challenge of getting the most they can out of each muscle.
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I don't think you should set goals for yourself by ideal weight. Many people just want to face the challenge of getting the most they can out of each muscle.
I agree, but I am sure he has a number in mind just as a reference.
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Don't you worry about that because I will never get greedy and sacrifice my lines for low-level mass. Remember, I'm 26not 36 and also haven't trained that long, so I will probably continue to grow. Now, when do I draw the line, well let's just say that I'm no idiot.
God, i must be getting crazy because i knew you where young, but not THAT much???
you have 26 years old???????????????? looking like that?
man, i hate you!!!!!!!! :o >:(
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Phil is still young, and is going to grow just from the training and eating. When he's 240lbs, in the shape he was in at the Colorado pro, he'll be able to stand next to anyone.
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wow phil looks good...his arms alone just blow me away!
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lol.
Frank McGrath turned pro at 24! I'm not sure if he would have if he competed in the USA nationals, but he also did very well at a young age.
...and copious amounts of juice. If Phil just trained and ate and went clean he would shrink. All three play a role. That is really all TA and I are saying.
Well DUH!
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Phil is still young, and is going to grow just from the training and eating. When he's 240lbs, in the shape he was in at the Colorado pro, he'll be able to stand next to anyone.
Chances are, if he gets up to 240 lbs, he will fcuk up his symmetry the way Edgar Fletcher did.
If he adds three-four pounds of muscle every year in the coming years, he will be in excellent shape.
YIP
Zack
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I think Phil should leave it be and just let muscle maturity take its course on his body. Its only going to make him look denser and more developed. I would hate to see Phil try to play the size game and destroy the perfect lines he is blessed with. He should just do like Melvin and take it slow and get bigger without jeopardizing his symmetrical flow. We want you to succeed Phil!!!! Kill it in 07!!!
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The more I look at this picture is the more that I realize that this is damn near perfection
if he only had my face and cock size...he would rule the world
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Phil has his own shop now...
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Phil has his own shop now...
Isn't that where Bob got his Masters Title ???
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Isn't that where Bob got his Masters Title ???
hahahahaha, along with the pirate blouses he wears to the after-party.
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Phil has his own shop now...
Phil looks freakin huge there :o
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I know that physique development is all relative, but if I ever got like this, there is nothing I would do to change it.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=100785.0;attach=110582;image)
He only looks like that for one day, and similiar to that for a few weeks, not all year.
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I've been the lowest of the low on this board before, but being disrespectful to my Mother, NEVER. Dude you should be ashamed of yourself.
The Beef
No reason to be disrespectful to your mother, you alone put her to shame by being you.
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Family doesn't deserve any more love or respect than anyone else. My mom is ok but that isn't to say we get along about everything or that I need to agree or give her respect about everything.
My grandfather beat my mother's head into the wall everyday while she was growing up and she still goes on about how she is supposed to have love for him because "he's family." My mom stayed in a very unhappy relationship with my father because of the same traditional garbage. She ended up being the one to lose in all this because of her "loving" nature. I guess because old Italy teaches women garbage like "love is unconditional." Just to clarify, love IS conditional and anyone who thinks otherwise obviously has little to no self respect or has any idea what love means for that matter. Love should be formed under the basis that the other person doesn't beat you, steal from you until you're destitute, and most importantly, does not abuse the love you give them. If love means ANYTHING to you, it should damn well be conditional. To make it unconditional is to not even understand the preciousness of love in the first place.
The whole idea of putting your family ahead of others just because they are family is garbage and quite dangerous. My grandfather is a wife beating asshole and the day he dies will just be the day a scumbag leaves the earth. And I don't give two fucks that "he's family". If you beat your wife and kids you're a piece of shit in my book, whether you're related to me or not.
Have you told your grandfather what you think of him? If not, do it, let him hear what a fucking loser he is.
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You would think. But on mayhem, apparently it just takes a strong work ethic and great nutrition and bringing a cooler of food with you to parties to gain mass. ::)
Actually, do that until you're blue in the face without gear see how far you'll get. ;)
My friend put on 20 pounds in four weeks using 30mg of British Dragon dbol a day. Oh, but steroids are only a small part of the picture. ::) By the way, no changes to his diet and training whatsoever and he put nearly an inch on his arms.
Man, I really can't stop with the repetitiveness lol. Oh well, maybe when I see that a sufficient number of people understand these facts I will shut up (same with TA).
Ever heard of water retention??? You don't actually believe your friend has put on 20 lbs. of muscle in 4 weeks do you?