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Title: Larry Scott
Post by: Jr. Yates on October 14, 2006, 05:34:18 PM
what is the difference his signature lift and the arnold Press, i saw a pic and they look like the same thing.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Lord Humungous on October 14, 2006, 06:02:23 PM
Same thing, arnie stole the idea from Scott. Basically a dumbel press with your palms facing your delts and you twist your hands out as you press.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Jr. Yates on October 15, 2006, 11:56:12 AM
Same thing, arnie stole the idea from Scott. Basically a dumbel press with your palms facing your delts and you twist your hands out as you press.
i thought so.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: ozman on October 15, 2006, 10:31:49 PM
man he had a great look




(http://www.smart-weight-training.fr/divers/mensurations-ideales/larry-scott-big.jpg)


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Lord Humungous on October 16, 2006, 04:13:49 AM
man he had a great look




(http://www.smart-weight-training.fr/divers/mensurations-ideales/larry-scott-big.jpg)

Ya he sure did, looking at Larry the Legend kinda gives you something to shoot for!


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Jr. Yates on October 16, 2006, 10:36:02 AM
wow, awsome physique.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: davie on October 17, 2006, 02:39:20 AM
wow, awsome physique.

That upper arm is all biceps (well it looks it).

Hasnt larry scott got his own special trainig methods hes now selling to people?
I guess if hes telling them he'll look like him then it might sell quite well.

davie


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Lord Humungous on October 17, 2006, 06:40:47 AM
That upper arm is all biceps (well it looks it).

Hasnt larry scott got his own special trainig methods hes now selling to people?
I guess if hes telling them he'll look like him then it might sell quite well.

davie

Yup- Loaded Guns


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: JPM on October 17, 2006, 07:07:51 AM
Scott's a prime example of a pec/delt tie-in. Muscle groups flow together, not like today. Been told by some old time vet's, from Venice/Santa Monica, that he used to train triceps much more than biceps. Always around the dipping bar and also doing  handstand push-up, etc. When he started to train in North Hollywood (Vince's), that's when biceps were focused on. Outstanding delts on a narrow frame. Can look at the size of his head and tell he had less than normal shoulder bone width. Scott wrote once that his arm's got so big (20"..abouts) that they actually hurt just hanging from his sides. I surpose 99% of the guy's who come to this site wished they had that problem. Good Luck.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on October 17, 2006, 07:55:41 AM
Larry was one of the first guys in BB with superstar sized arms-in the 1960s this was unusual.

Larry's fave muscle to train was triceps, as he said himself-but with Gironda there he was forced to train bis just as hard-i wouldn't say his genetics were particularly hard but he worked hard and smart, with the luxury of training methods that were/are ahead of their time. The bread n' butter of his triceps routine was always the pedestal, which is great. The preacher bench had already been invented but was popularized by Scott.

Tris were always as good as bis, which is why his arms were so complete. Schwarzenegger said he thought they were the best arms ever, as of the early 1970s.



Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: davie on October 18, 2006, 03:14:11 AM
Man in that 3rd pic down look at the left forearm, huge.

davie


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Lord Humungous on October 18, 2006, 04:14:05 AM
Ya davie, Larry had huge forarms!! He had some unusual training methods too. IF youve ever tried to use a preacher bench like he did you would wonder how he developed his arms at all. Larry had a way of placing his arms on the pad so that his elbows touched and his forearms flaired out to the sides. Try it some time- talk about uncomfortable!!! He would do it that way with barbells and dumbells.
Larry also knew he couldnt curl big weights with weak forarms so he developed a low bench that sat about 12 inches of the floor that he would straddle and lay his arms over to do wrists curls.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: GoneAway on October 18, 2006, 06:09:58 AM
Larry also knew he couldnt curl big weights with weak forarms so he developed a low bench that sat about 12 inches of the floor that he would straddle and lay his arms over to do wrists curls.

One of the exercises in Arnold's Encyclopedia. Did Larry invent that? Anyway, the guy had some serious mass on his chest and arms. Some of, if not the biggest biceps I've ever seen.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on October 18, 2006, 09:31:00 AM
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He had some unusual training methods too. IF youve ever tried to use a preacher bench like he did you would wonder how he developed his arms at all. Larry had a way of placing his arms on the pad so that his elbows touched and his forearms flaired out to the sides. Try it some time- talk about uncomfortable!!!
Effective; if it hurts you're probably doing it wrong.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Lord Humungous on October 18, 2006, 09:36:27 AM
Effective; if it hurts you're probably doing it wrong.

I'll see if I can dig up a photo of Larry doing dumbel curls his way- OUCH


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Lord Humungous on October 18, 2006, 09:37:16 AM
One of the exercises in Arnold's Encyclopedia. Did Larry invent that? Anyway, the guy had some serious mass on his chest and arms. Some of, if not the biggest biceps I've ever seen.

I believe he invented that bench but I dont know for sure


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Jr. Yates on October 18, 2006, 11:52:04 AM
I'll see if I can dig up a photo of Larry doing dumbel curls his way- OUCH
what do you mean?? can you describe the movement?


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on October 18, 2006, 12:29:33 PM
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Quote from: Lord Humungous on Today at 01:36:27 PM
I'll see if I can dig up a photo of Larry doing dumbel curls his way- OUCH

what do you mean?? can you describe the movement?
His exercises were highly effective, aren't uncomfortable at all from my experience doing those.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Lord Humungous on October 18, 2006, 01:12:08 PM
His exercises were highly effective, aren't uncomfortable at all from my experience doing those.
Thanks pumpster!! Thats the low bench I was talking about. I have also seen pics of Larry doing db curls with his elbows so close together they almost touch, OUCH!


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on October 18, 2006, 01:27:51 PM
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I have also seen pics of Larry doing db curls with his elbows so close together they almost touch, OUCH!
I've never seen those-he might've actually been doing wrist curls with the elbows close. DB curls as done in that pic work perfectly though.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on October 18, 2006, 03:20:25 PM
i cant train forearms directly without them cramping up real hard.

larry had some of the best arms ever. basically he was a guy who 1. had extremely good arm genetics(very full bellies on bis, tris and forearms, low insertions), 2. was obsessed with arm training, and 3. ate lots of dbol.

you can train all you want and do any kind of neat little exercise or whatever novel little technique or whatever, but it wont matter at all unless you have numbers 1 and 3.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on October 18, 2006, 03:45:06 PM
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you can train all you want and do any kind of neat little exercise or whatever novel little technique or whatever, but it wont matter at all unless you have numbers 1 and 3.
A little too pessimistic given that you don't have his knowledge. Easy to say he had the genetics but the fact is that superior training, intensity and nutrition brought him up from 157 lb.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on October 18, 2006, 09:19:04 PM
A little too pessimistic given that you don't have his knowledge. Easy to say he had the genetics but the fact is that superior training, intensity and nutrition brought him up from 157 lb.
lol come on now pumpster...
this stuff isnt rocket science...its not like he did some kind of 'secret exercise of the pros' that got his arms big...there are only so many ways to train your biceps. alos i dont train any less hard or smart than these guys. the difference is their glorious genetics and the fact that they use anabolic steroids. thats it.

he is always considered to have shitty genetics but that is far from true. he may not have been a big guy but look at his arms. completely full muscle bellies and low insertions on the bis, tris, and forearms. most people only have maybe one or 2 of those, two if their really lucky. i have small joints, long lanky arms, high bicep inserts, and unimpressive forearms. doesnt mean i train any 'less hard' than him or have 'less smarts' than him ::)
it just means he has superior genetics. and drugs.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: davie on October 19, 2006, 02:06:55 AM
That way of preacher curling was a gironda method, like many of girondas exercises it looked weird but apparently was very effective.

davie


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on October 19, 2006, 03:21:39 AM
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i have small joints, long lanky arms, high bicep inserts, and unimpressive forearms. doesnt mean i train any 'less hard' than him or have 'less smarts' than him
Based on what you've said, there's no reason to assume that you've realized your full potential the way he did; stop taking a loser's approach and ascribing it all to one thing. You remind me of the guys who claims it's all about drugs.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: GoneAway on October 19, 2006, 04:32:43 AM
That way of preacher curling was a gironda method, like many of girondas exercises it looked weird but apparently was very effective.

davie

I did that curl in my biceps routine a few weeks ago. Kinda cool it was known (and supposedly effective) from back in the day. For those who say it was effective, what are your sources? I found it was stressing the bi's pretty well, and would prefer it to straight-BB as I didn't get much feel from that.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on October 19, 2006, 04:36:14 AM
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For those who say it was effective, what are your sources?
The best-using it.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Jr. Yates on October 19, 2006, 09:53:03 AM
The best-using it.
exactly. even if its not an excersise that works THAT well for you its good to always add variation.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on October 19, 2006, 11:54:53 AM
Based on what you've said, there's no reason to assume that you've realized your full potential the way he did; stop taking a loser's approach and ascribing it all to one thing. You remind me of the guys who claims it's all about drugs.

pumpster his work ethic and smarts, though admirable, were NOT the major reasons for his incredible arms. certainly they were a large part of the equation. you can take 100 other guys, who train their hearts out year after year using every technique and eating great, at least as driven and smart as scott, and probably none of them will have arms like he did. what is the difference? genetics and drugs.

one CANNOT reach their 'full potential' without steroids.

i already put as much effort into it as he did. i am not less intelligent either. and even if i did juice, my arms STILL wouldnt be near his-because of the difference in our genetics.

you are making it sound like he looked like he did because he was a better person or something ::)

99% of the reason the pros look like they do is first because of genetics and genetic potential, and second the use of steroids to reach that full potential. training is far less of a factor than the other two.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: GoneAway on October 19, 2006, 02:46:50 PM
exactly. even if its not an excersise that works THAT well for you its good to always add variation.

Good point. I've been looking for different ways of doing exercises recently to just spice things up.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on October 19, 2006, 04:18:40 PM
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pumpster his work ethic and smarts, though admirable, were NOT the major reasons for his incredible arms. certainly they were a large part of the equation.
You're speaking in absolutes about someone you don't know. Insane jumps in logic. He trained very hard and very smart; i wonder if you even know that.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on October 19, 2006, 04:20:29 PM
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Quote from: Jr. Yates on Today at 01:53:03 PM
exactly. even if its not an excersise that works THAT well for you its good to always add variation.

Good point. I've been looking for different ways of doing exercises recently to just spice things up.
The more i train the more i find that seemingly small changes in the type of grip, the width, the angle actually make a difference re: positive effect and avoidance of injury.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Jr. Yates on October 24, 2006, 09:54:52 AM
The more i train the more i find that seemingly small changes in the type of grip, the width, the angle actually make a difference re: positive effect and avoidance of injury.
exactly, and that takes time and patience but its what makes you a good bber.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: JPM on October 25, 2006, 07:35:24 AM
The Pumpster said it all, minor changes can make major differences in steady progress. The more experience you become  the better you understand (hopefully) how "your" body responce. All those magazines, books, courses, video's, etc can only offer so much information (or misinformation), than it's your turn to try a trial and error  approach to see what works best on you. Give a honest 6-8 week period to see if growth/size is developing. If a programs not for you, than move on to something else. Another big help to to join a serious BB'ing/lifting gym, if at all possible. Good Luck.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: crownshep on December 18, 2008, 11:19:08 AM
Here`s Larry demonstrating the press to Benfatto.You`ll notice its not really a press,more of an elbow rotation,and you can see on Larry it mainly hits the side delts.I tried doing these a month ago and the burn inthe side delts is unreal.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vVZpDwE6rFc&feature=related

And Larry doing the dumbell preacher curl.I recently made a short curl bar that has a slight downward curve to it,so that when i use it on the preacher the little finger  is slightly higher than the thumb.Thats what Larry is showing here.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh5KyhFlpbM&feature=related


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: johnny1 on December 18, 2008, 08:38:13 PM
 Larry in 1965 and 1966 had a presence that commanded awe.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: GoneAway on December 19, 2008, 12:03:51 AM
Larry in 1965 and 1966 had a presence that commanded awe.

Wow... Incredible upper-body mass.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on December 19, 2008, 09:49:03 AM
Ya, one of the first guys with big-time size along with Ortiz. I have no doubt it was both extremely hard work then dbol getting him that extra edge. Plus the all-American look that only a few have had, like Scott, Draper and Platz.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Figo on December 19, 2008, 11:00:48 AM
Here`s Larry demonstrating the press to Benfatto.You`ll notice its not really a press,more of an elbow rotation,and you can see on Larry it mainly hits the side delts.I tried doing these a month ago and the burn inthe side delts is unreal.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vVZpDwE6rFc&feature=related

Benfatto looking a bit small, great shape though. Maybe Larry's advices set Benfatto in the right path.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Viking11 on January 04, 2009, 10:42:31 PM
Bump. Just cause I'm a big Scott fan..


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: johnny1 on January 05, 2009, 12:56:57 AM
Larry the Legend ;)


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: GoneAway on January 05, 2009, 02:18:28 AM
Did Arnold learn this pose from Larry, or did Jimmy Caruso notice the similarities in their physiques? I'm thinking a bit of both...


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: johnny1 on January 05, 2009, 03:25:29 PM
Did Arnold learn this pose from Larry, or did Jimmy Caruso notice the similarities in their physiques? I'm thinking a bit of both...
Who knows for sure, but the both looked outstanding at it ;)


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: GoneAway on January 05, 2009, 04:42:24 PM
Who knows for sure, but the both looked outstanding at it ;)

Great comparison. Larry was way ahead of his time in terms of arm development.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Viking11 on January 05, 2009, 10:32:13 PM
Who knows for sure, but the both looked outstanding at it ;)
  They both look fantastic there. Here's one more. (http://www.mikementzer.com/FD1773817BD511DA.jpg)


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: stuntmovie on January 06, 2009, 10:01:05 AM
Pumpster, correct me if I'm wrong here but I believe it was Vince Gironda who "invented" the Scott curl apparatus. And I think that he had the only one in Los Angeles at his gym on Ventura Blvd up there by the present Universal Studios location for a good long while.

Larry did all his arm training there and had to go elsewhere on leg training day because Vince was a strong advocate against squatting. His opinion was that it made your waist too big ( if I recall correctly).

And if I also recall correctly, Larry's training partner was a competitive bodybuilder by the name of Bill McArdle (RIP) and Larry trained him to enter the Mr. California contest in the early to mid 60's, but Bill lost to No. California's John Corvello at the old Embassy theater adjacent to downtown LA's Embassy Hotel. That was a big defeat for Bill and a major win for John

Is that old hotel still there?

One last thing about Vince .... He was a cantankerous old fart but he knew his business just about as well as any school trained "expert'. (Back then the AMA was proclaiming that steroids did not work and any results achieved by steroid users was only due to the Pablov effect (Pablov???).

He excelled in his knowledge of Protein and when to take it and what to take it with. I forget those details  but it was very radical for that time period in the world of BB. Those were the good old days when competitive bodybuilding was just beginning to crawl.

Anyone remember Dale Adrian, Joe Nazzario, Mel Knoll, Curt Haywood, or Jim Holovichik? All former gym acquaintences who have passed through my lifetime at one time or another.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on January 06, 2009, 10:25:53 AM
Pumpster, correct me if I'm wrong here but I believe it was Vince Gironda who "invented" the Scott curl apparatus. And I think that he had the only one in Los Angeles at his gym on Ventura Blvd up there by the present Universal Studios location for a good long while.

Larry did all his arm training there and had to go elsewhere on leg training day because Vince was a strong advocate against squatting. His opinion was that it made your waist too big ( if I recall correctly).

Stunt, Vince and Larry popularized it and must've had the only one in the area other than the preacher bench at the Easton Brothers' gym, where Vince worked as an instructor before opening Vince's Gym in the late 40s. I think they were also in LA but am not sure. The preacher bench seen in all gyms is the only remnant of Vince's Gym that is widely used, there were many other good pieces at Vince's that aren't known. The old style preacher benches in which one side was slanted and the other side was straight down and could be used for spider curls isn't much seen anymore either. Once in a long while i see some V dip bars at a gym.

Larry said relatively recently that he was sorry to hear that he could've bought all of the original Vince's Gym equipment for 10K, found out only after the fact. Scott still makes those machines himself, as you probably know.

Vince IMO is to this day one of the top few training gurus, along with Arthur Jones. They and a group of guys in California especially LA around the original 1930s Santa Monica Muscle Beach scene seemed to form the typical cluster of fertile minds that expands a business. Others like Zinkin (Universal Gym), Lalanne (apparently the first cable machines in the 30s), Gold, etc. Lalanne's about the only one left.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: wild willie on April 15, 2009, 08:21:09 AM
Larry Scott truly might have the best arm development of all time!


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on April 17, 2009, 02:52:17 PM
I wouldn't say best all-time now, in terms of pure development, but you can still make the case for him in terms of size and aesthetics. He was one of the very few with huge arms then. The only guys who come to mind in his league then would be  Ortiz, Wayne, Sipes, Draper, etc. Not alot of guys at that level.

I think this pic does a better job of giving a sense of the size and shape on this guy, way back in the 60s when this was very uncommon.



Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: johnny1 on April 17, 2009, 05:45:12 PM
I wouldn't say best all-time now, in terms of pure development, but you can still make the case for him in terms of size and aesthetics. He was one of the very few with huge arms then. The only guys who come to mind in his league then would be  Ortiz, Wayne, Sipes, Draper, etc. Not alot of guys at that level.

I think this pic does a better job of giving a sense of the size and shape on this guy, way back in the 60s when this was very uncommon.


Yeah Larry had some of the best biceps ever in terms of fullness, length, even to this day he still ranks right up there.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on April 17, 2009, 07:31:50 PM
Yeah Larry had some of the best biceps ever in terms of fullness, length, even to this day he still ranks right up there.

Part of what made him great was that his tris were just as good as his bis-excellent balance. He managed to evoke more of his potential than most with the training and diet IMO.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Montague on April 17, 2009, 07:59:09 PM
Pump,
Is it my imagination, or did Larry gain more quality size after he retired from competition?


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on April 18, 2009, 04:13:51 AM
Pump,
Is it my imagination, or did Larry gain more quality size after he retired from competition?


I can see why you think that, he looks pretty damn big post-retirement. I think it's that he held on to a lot of the size after retirement because of a lifelong love of hard traing and that those later pics might've been when he briefly resuming competition in the late 70s and probably also went back on hormones.

As you probably know he's in the very rare category of having actually changed his muscle shape much later in life by consistent hard training and now has a more peaked biceps due to spider curls.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Andy Griffin on April 18, 2009, 04:22:38 PM
Larry Scott is not to be confused with actor Larry B. Scott.

(http://www.guille.net/images/lamar1.jpg)


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Montague on April 18, 2009, 08:07:38 PM
I can see why you think that, he looks pretty damn big post-retirement. I think it's that he held on to a lot of the size after retirement because of a lifelong love of hard traing and that those later pics might've been when he briefly resuming competition in the late 70s and probably also went back on hormones.

As you probably know he's in the very rare category of having actually changed his muscle shape much later in life by consistent hard training and now has a more peaked biceps due to spider curls.

I saw a picture of him in his 60's.
I swore his peaks looked more developed than they did in '65.
Juice, or not - that's damn impressive.

Perhaps this is best left for the training board, but while we're here...
How would you rate Larry's style of spider-curls compared with curls done on the 90 degree side of a preacher bench?

Do you have any pics of Larry taken within the last year or so?


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on April 19, 2009, 08:16:59 AM
Unfortunately the newer equipment is sometimes inferior, and most preacher benches today don't give you the option of a slant on one side and straight-down on the other, nor do they allow adjustable angles. All those things makes a difference. The straight-down side is very similar to spider curls.

On Larry's site you can see recent pics as well as his product line that includes the old designs. Not cheap but nice to look..

http://www.larryscott.com/bio/index.cfm


Early-60s movie "Muscle Beach Party" when he was smaller, on muscle beach amongst a group of lesser and out of shape west coast BBs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob339XlMKm8


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Figo on April 23, 2009, 03:13:35 AM
i cant train forearms directly without them cramping up real hard.

larry had some of the best arms ever. basically he was a guy who 1. had extremely good arm genetics(very full bellies on bis, tris and forearms, low insertions), 2. was obsessed with arm training, and 3. ate lots of dbol.

you can train all you want and do any kind of neat little exercise or whatever novel little technique or whatever, but it wont matter at all unless you have numbers 1 and 3.

No,

Larry said he took maybe 5mg a day for a short while, and hated it. And this was way after his Olympias and post retirement...








 ::)


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on April 23, 2009, 03:15:29 AM
Spider  curls?  LMAO!  Larry's biceps are a result of genetics, hard training etc.  It has fuck all to do with certain exercises.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on April 23, 2009, 11:00:22 AM
No,

Larry said he took maybe 5mg a day for a short while, and hated it. And this was way after his Olympias and post retirement...

 ::)


I don't believer that at all, in fact the remarks i've read were that he blew up and had quite the response to hormones back in the 60s, where you can see a fairly drastic increase in size over a few years. No way he was natural for any Olympia.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on April 23, 2009, 11:01:21 AM
Spider  curls?  LMAO!  Larry's biceps are a result of genetics, hard training etc.  It has fuck all to do with certain exercises.

The whole "it's all genetics" view is tired as well as simplistic..it's both-genetics matter but at the same time certain exercises are needed to bring out full genetic potential that otherwise remains unrealized.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Figo on April 23, 2009, 11:59:59 PM

I don't believer that at all, in fact the remarks i've read were that he blew up and had quite the response to hormones back in the 60s, where you can see a fairly drastic increase in size over a few years. No way he was natural for any Olympia.

Yep


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: lax on April 26, 2009, 04:07:35 AM
Pumpster, correct me if I'm wrong here but I believe it was Vince Gironda who "invented" the Scott curl apparatus. And I think that he had the only one in Los Angeles at his gym on Ventura Blvd up there by the present Universal Studios location for a good long while.

Larry did all his arm training there and had to go elsewhere on leg training day because Vince was a strong advocate against squatting. His opinion was that it made your waist too big ( if I recall correctly).

And if I also recall correctly, Larry's training partner was a competitive bodybuilder by the name of Bill McArdle (RIP) and Larry trained him to enter the Mr. California contest in the early to mid 60's, but Bill lost to No. California's John Corvello at the old Embassy theater adjacent to downtown LA's Embassy Hotel. That was a big defeat for Bill and a major win for John

Is that old hotel still there?

One last thing about Vince .... He was a cantankerous old fart but he knew his business just about as well as any school trained "expert'. (Back then the AMA was proclaiming that steroids did not work and any results achieved by steroid users was only due to the Pablov effect (Pablov???).

He excelled in his knowledge of Protein and when to take it and what to take it with. I forget those details  but it was very radical for that time period in the world of BB. Those were the good old days when competitive bodybuilding was just beginning to crawl.

Anyone remember Dale Adrian, Joe Nazzario, Mel Knoll, Curt Haywood, or Jim Holovichik? All former gym acquaintences who have passed through my lifetime at one time or another.

Dale Adrian....1975 Mr. A, I think, great abs, very ripped, was pushed hard by Clint Beyerle
Nazzario....word of a comeback...must be about 60 now, lives in fla...won Mr.International
Curt Haywood...had unfortunate exp of being in class with big A at 1970 Mr. World


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on April 28, 2009, 01:00:51 AM
The whole "it's all genetics" view is tired as well as simplistic..it's both-genetics matter but at the same time certain exercises are needed to bring out full genetic potential that otherwise remains unrealized.

I said his arms are a result of genetics and hard training.  It had fuck all to do with special exercises.  Guys love to complicate the shit out of things.  The bicep moves in two directions.  flexes and extends the arm and it supinates the hand.  Other than that no magical exercise is going to turn your arms into Scott's arms, no matter how many different exercises you do.  Look at him when he was 18.  They were thick as shit.  In fact that was probably his most "natural" bodypart. 


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on April 28, 2009, 06:30:49 AM
I said his arms are a result of genetics and hard training.  It had fuck all to do with special exercises.  

You're not very bright actually, and seem uninformed. Scott and Gironda endorsed more special and unique exercises than anyone before or since, instead of the usual exercises. Scott and Gironda popularized the preacher bench, which wasn't used by anyone then, it wasn't a standard exercise. Same with the pedestal and v dip bar that no one else uses. Drag curls. Bench press to the neck, burns, 6 x 6, etc. Scott didn't even do standard standing BB curls.

Furthermore and as already stated, Scott changed the shape of his biceps later through specific exercises.

Thanks for playing, you lose.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on April 28, 2009, 01:59:59 PM
You're not very bright actually, and seem uninformed. Scott and Gironda endorsed more special and unique exercises than anyone before or since, instead of the usual exercises. Scott and Gironda popularized the preacher bench, which wasn't used by anyone then, it wasn't a standard exercise. Same with the pedestal and v dip bar that no one else uses. Drag curls. Bench press to the neck, burns, 6 x 6, etc. Scott didn't even do standard standing BB curls.

Furthermore and as already stated, Scott changed the shape of his biceps later through specific exercises.

Thanks for playing, you lose.

I'm uninformed?  You're the fucking moron that thinks you can change the shape of a muscle.  LMAO!  Muscles get bigger and they get smaller.  They don't change their shape.  I'm very familiar with Girondas principles and various exercises.  He was ahead of his time in many ways.  But he wasn't right about everything and wasn't the end all be all of bodybuilding.  If you honestly thing the preacher bench is going to make your arms grow bigger than a basic machine curl or standing BB curls more power to you.  But if you come talking that smack to physiologically savvy individuals like myself......you'll get laughed out of the gym. 


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on April 28, 2009, 07:12:36 PM
I'm uninformed?  You're the fucking moron that thinks you can change the shape of a muscle.  LMAO!  Muscles get bigger and they get smaller.  They don't change their shape.  I'm very familiar with Girondas principles and various exercises.  He was ahead of his time in many ways.  But he wasn't right about everything and wasn't the end all be all of bodybuilding.  If you honestly thing the preacher bench is going to make your arms grow bigger than a basic machine curl or standing BB curls more power to you.  But if you come talking that smack to physiologically savvy individuals like myself......you'll get laughed out of the gym. 

MELTDOWN

Scott DID change the shape you asswipe!

Learn some history and more about BB.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on April 29, 2009, 02:23:22 AM
MELTDOWN

Scott DID change the shape you asswipe!

Learn some history and more about BB.

Hey dipshit I have the IronMan magazine with him on the cover when he was 18 fucking years old.  His biceps had the same shape and almost the same size then as they did for the rest of his career.  LMAO!  You retard.  Go back to working out on your bowflex fatty. 


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: jpm101 on April 29, 2009, 07:55:41 AM
Scott's arms may have become more mature and  reached their full  potential in size, but the arm shape would be the same as from birth.  Unless he had extreme surgery to reconnect the muscle tendons, ligaments, etc to the arm bone. If you could/would change the basic muscle shape (again, location of the inserts attached to any bone structure) than most all the brothers would have great lower calfs rather than the  higher up calf development some  have (actually that higher type calf is built for leverage/speed). Any high peak or flat bicep is  the genetic hand you were dealt. Always improve any muscle group beyond your dreams, but the basic shape will always be there. Kind of poorly misinformed or lacking in understand if thinking otherwise.

Any curling movement is a variation on a theme. A curl is a curl, twisting the wrist as the forearm is brought up to the contraction point close to the shoulder. Now if Scott got outstanding bicep development from doing Gironda type angle bench curls than that suited his bicep muscle inserts to take advantage of his full muscle building potential. But some other guy's may do the same exercise with the same intensity, reps and sets as Scott and have little to show for their efforts.

 But if changing to a simple standing BB or EZ bar curl, these same guy's might gain outstanding results, taking advantage of their full muscle building potential. My own personal view is that more people have build great size and power with just those BB/EZ curls. But than again, I am into more of power BB'ing. Also adding (another personal view, that's all), the injury ratio could be higher on a Gironda/Scott/Preacher bench. Probably due to the full stretch some do, which is really not needed anyway, in that exercise. Good Luck.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on April 29, 2009, 12:21:43 PM


The standard "genetics are fixed" dogma that some lazily rely on is simplistic and doesn't address the reaility that there's more to it.

While muscle shape is genetically determined, it can take unsual means to fully evoke underlying potential, means that most BBs don't follow. Scott was the exception, as was Schwarzenegger did re: cavles. If he'd used the genetics argument he wouldn't have unlocked fully potential.

He rejected that line of reasoning and tried new things that finally worked-If he'd just followed the standard thinking that is rampant here and elsewhere,  that wouldn't have happened.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Montague on April 29, 2009, 12:45:37 PM
Um, I think what Pump is getting at is that Larry changed the shape of his arm’s  **appearance**  by developing previously undeveloped parts.
If true, then I believe Pumpster’s right.

JPM suggests that if “Scott” Curls, etc. gave Larry his fantastic results, then it’s because Larry responded well to those exercises. It does NOT mean everyone will. As JPM mentions, many folks can and do respond better to conventional movements like standing bb curls, etc.
JPM is right.

MuscleMcMannus, I think, is saying that a muscle’s shape is genetically determined. While certain exercises may be needed to FULLY DEVELOP that muscle, you’ll never alter it beyond that.
MMcM is right.

Montague says he’s spent too long thinking about and typing this.
Montague is right.



Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: jpm101 on April 29, 2009, 03:59:44 PM
Glad to see that pumpster agrees with me (and 99% of the BB'ing world) that, in simple terms, muscle shape is a genetic factor. It will, and can not, change by exercise. As is muscle size limits with it's own set of limitations, for each of us.

Montague seems to be right on with p, McM and me.  Though I tend to accept most of what McM posted above. Gironda was not right about everything, but most things.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on April 29, 2009, 07:16:13 PM
I think "jpm" is senile, as i don't agree with his canned view at all lol neither did Arnold or Larry.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: jpm101 on May 01, 2009, 07:45:04 AM
Glad to see that pumpster agrees with me that he knows very little about  exercise and/or muscle structure and the effect (or lack of) on the human body. Example would be the following.

"While MUSCLE SHAPE IS GENETICALLY DETERMINED, it can take unusual  means to fully evoke underlining potential". Not sure he really knows what that means himself, just more of his spin. Unusual Means (WTF?).... would that mean drastic surgery? That may be a confirmation that pumpster needs a little more study time on exercise science. May I suggest him starting with BB'ing for Dummies.

Perhaps pumpster would like to present his personal interviews with Scott and Arnold on how they changed their basic genetic muscle inserts and muscle shape? Without surgery, that is. Rumor is that pumpster coached Scott and Arnold on the use of the "V" bar also. Is that true?

Feel free to delete some of the above post of yours, you usually do.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on May 01, 2009, 04:32:27 PM
Like I said look at pictures of Larry Scott when he was 18 years old.  Look at pictures of Arnold when he was at his biggest at 19 years old.  They have the SAME BODYPARTS as they did throughout their career.  The only thing that changed was their size and definition.  Arnold had the same damn attachment points. 

So explain to me pumpster how does a muscle physiologically change shape?  LOL.  Do the fibers reorganize?  Muscle shape is determined at conception and birth.  A muscle only gets bigger or smaller based on hypertrophy and hyperplasia.  If you want to argue that hyperplasia appears to change the shape of a muscle than fine.  Have at it.  But physiologically speaking it's not changing shape, only getting bigger, so it's almost an illusion. 


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Montague on May 01, 2009, 07:23:09 PM
If you want to argue that hyperplasia appears to change the shape of a muscle than fine.

I suspect/hope that's what he's getting at.

Larry changed the perceived/optical shape of his biceps – not their genetic shape.
And he did it by using less common methods that apparently worked very well for him.



Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on May 01, 2009, 08:34:59 PM
He didn't change the perceived shape, he managed to modify the peak through his evolution in thinking about training, period. Highly unusal, especially after retirement.

For the confused - he didn't change his genetic shape. Rather, that shape was always there but required specialized means to be fully realized.

I think what confuses people is that they don't realize that most guys don't have either the perserverence or imagination to train long after retirement, which is what he did, and to be analytical along the way. It was only later with an open mind that he changed what he had, finding new avenues to develop muscle. Most BBs will never experience this. Schwarzenegger gives Scott full credit for this, as do i.

I know this also from personal experience. In the last year using exercises i didn't use previously i've seen a noticable change in triceps development. Absolutely true. Only happened by trying to be open minded and then trying new things - change can happen at any age if the mind is open.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Montague on May 02, 2009, 04:29:48 AM
For the confused - he didn't change his genetic shape. Rather, that shape was always there but required specialized means to be fully realized.

I suspected that’s what you were implying.
But I think the way it was coming across was a bit confusing.

The above is good clarification.




Title: bs
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on May 02, 2009, 04:49:54 AM
He didn't change the perceived shape, he managed to modify the peak through his evolution in thinking about training, period. Highly unusal, especially after retirement.

For the confused - he didn't change his genetic shape. Rather, that shape was always there but required specialized means to be fully realized.


You're an idiot.  You're saying Larry's biceps underwent some genetics shape shifting transformation as he got older?  LMAO!  He won his first contest in 1960 at 22 years old.  Look at his fucking biceps.  They are as big then as they ever were.  The only thing that really changed was their size.  which with age and years of training usually increases.  



Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: pumpster on May 02, 2009, 02:26:09 PM
Here's the most striking example that salts away my points. Peak is clearly different over time, as he kept experimenting. Most guys don't do that and won't know what's left unrealized.

Game, set and match.

Thanks for playing guys, my point is made but takes some open-mindedness to absorb. ;)


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: johnny1 on May 03, 2009, 03:08:33 AM
Bloody hell Larry still looks in Great shape for a 64 yr old!!!!!!!!!! :o


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: War-Horse on May 03, 2009, 11:51:02 AM
Here's the most striking example that salts away my points. Peak is clearly different over time, as he kept experimenting. Most guys don't do that and won't know what's left unrealized.

Game, set and match.

Thanks for playing guys, my point is made but takes some open-mindedness to absorb. ;)




Pumpster is right, the pics prove it.     Also it is true that as you get older youlearn to tweak the muscles different for different looks....after 27yrs i can use lighter weights, slower and get better results than heavy weights when i was in my 20s.    You gotta pay your dues by staying in the game and most guys wont make it.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: jpm101 on May 04, 2009, 06:46:39 AM
A rather childish attempt to prove a non-point. Again by pumpster. Different distance from the camera in each pose, lighting (natural, overhead direct or staged?) and not the exact same pose position of the arm. Even an inch, or so, in a muscle pose can make a world of difference in what the camera eye see's. That includes the human eye. The Pro's all know that. Maybe the bicep mass has changed but not the genetic muscle shape. Simple fact really. There are no secret exercises or magical workout plans to change that. High, low intensity or whatever.

Do not know if pumpster is 12 years old or in his '70's by most of his post. That is a puzzle.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on May 04, 2009, 09:11:30 AM



Pumpster is right, the pics prove it.     Also it is true that as you get older youlearn to tweak the muscles different for different looks....after 27yrs i can use lighter weights, slower and get better results than heavy weights when i was in my 20s.    You gotta pay your dues by staying in the game and most guys wont make it.

 ::)  The result of Larry's biceps in the last picture has to do with age and maturity NOT changing the shape of his bicep muscles through various exercises.  Look at his other muscles, tricep, abs, quads.......they all look different.  Your muscles change as they age.  Not because you shape them with different exercises.  You guys are hilarious, really. 


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: johnny1 on October 04, 2009, 11:32:32 PM
 a very young Larry


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: lax on October 05, 2009, 04:34:08 AM
Here's the most striking example that salts away my points. Peak is clearly different over time, as he kept experimenting. Most guys don't do that and won't know what's left unrealized.

Game, set and match.

Thanks for playing guys, my point is made but takes some open-mindedness to absorb. ;)

I'd say arm and hand positions are different causing diff appearances of bi shapes


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on October 05, 2009, 05:35:21 AM
Haha we now know pumpster is a fucking fat piece of bald shit who knows nothing about bodybuilding.  Everything he says in this thread can be chaulked up to bullshit.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: johnny1 on January 30, 2010, 06:42:52 AM
Larry looking Awesome in 1965-66


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Montague on May 18, 2012, 03:32:07 AM
source: http://ironguru.com/training-methods-of-larry-scott


Training Methods of Larry Scott 

Irvin Johnson had just asked Larry Scott about his training programs and exercise schedules. Larry had already talked at length about his background and brought us up to date on his progress in training over the past 9 years. Contrary to what many would have you believe, Larry has never performed any miracles of progress. Every pound, every inch he has gained has been through hard work and good nutrition.

If you are looking for secrets of overnight success you will be disappointed, but if you are willing to work as hard as Larry has and if you're willing to deny yourself other pleasures and activities as Larry has over a period of 9 or more years, then you can expect progress of a satisfactory nature. You may not become the best built man in the world for you may not have inherited the correct muscle shape, bone structure, skin texture and you may not have come from sturdy ancestors, but you can make great improvement and develop a good physique for your own type.

You must recognize the direction in which your talents lay and then work in this direction for perfection. There has been much speculation that Scott has a magic and secret formula of exercise. Such is not so. The following interview tells you essentially how Larry trains.

IRVIN JOHNSON: Larry, we would like to know how you trained over the years and how you train now. Have you varied your training or have you trained the same over the years?

LARRY SCOTT: Well, Irvin, the type of exercise I and the other fellows use varies a great deal from time to time. We generally use an exercise until we cease to progress on it and then change to another. This generally lasts a couple of months. Thus the workout program is in a constant state of flux. You reach stale periods after a certain length of time in which you experience no growth. Then you change your exercise or exercises or your routine. So over the period of 9 years I have been training, I have used many different routines and exercises. I experienced results from all of them but there is no one perfect or permanent exercise nor no best or permanent routine. My routines in the past have probably been the same as those used by other top bodybuilders.

IRVIN: Can you tell us something about your present routines, exercises, repetitions, sets, frequency of training etc. ?

LARRY: At present I'm on what you might call a Split-Routine system--not in the commonly accepted term but one I have worked out which seems to suit me best. It might not be the best for anyone else but it works very well for me.

First, I train 6 days per week on this type of routine. Here is how I work. This is important. I work approximately 2 or 3 muscles or muscle groups per day. I do 3 to 4 exercises for each muscle or muscle group 2 or 21/2 times per week.

Keeping in mind the above routine, I do 8 to 10 repetitions for each set and from 6 to 8 and sometimes even 10 sets. This holds true of all muscle areas but the calves and forearms. Because of the nature of their muscle fibers I use higher rep's (up to 20 repetitions).

I finish many of my sets with the "burns" (rapid, short movements to give an intense, aching, burning feeling).

Considering the above you will find that I do about 20 to 30 sets per body part, muscle or muscle group.

Let me use the biceps as an illustration. I would probably use about 4 different exercises for the biceps and 5 to 6 sets for each exercise of 8 to 10 repetitions. This would make a total of 24 sets for the biceps. If I were working the Biceps, Triceps, and Deltoids today. I would have 4 exercises for each and say 5 sets of each exercise or a total of 60 sets for my workout today. This type of workout takes me about 2 hours. I do not rest too much between exercises or between sets but try to keep moving along pretty well.

Tomorrow I would work another body part or group of muscle, perhaps two or three groups or single muscles as the case might be. So each day I change body parts, groups of muscles or individual muscles. I get back to these muscles about twice per week. Each workout takes me about 2 hours each night or 12 hours work per week.

I try to do the next set of exercise as soon as I can after the previous set in order to keep as much blood as possible in the muscle and maintain the pump and achieve a "burn".

This system might not be good for everyone but it works well for me.

IRVIN: Could you tell us whether you try to use heavy weights in all your exercises or do you prefer medium or light poundages?

LARRY: I never have used extremely heavy weights for my exercises. In the curl for instance it is pretty rare if I ever go over 150 lbs.

Probably much of the reason for my not using heavier weights is the type of gym I work out in. I do all my workouts in Vince's (Vince Gironda) gym and this gym is not oriented towards heavy weights. It is aimed more at training for shape and definition I guess this is because Vince himself has this type of physique.

Much of the exercise done is of the isolation nature--that is certain muscles are exercised alone rather than in groups and in this type of exercise you do not and can not use as heavy a poundage.

Vince's gym has many pieces of specialized equipment for doing isolated muscle movements. There are several pieces of equipment just for doing specialized biceps and triceps movements. We do not do exercises like cheating curls, cheating presses etc.

IRVIN: Thank you Larry for telling us the details of your training. Now would you care to tell us something about your diet. I understand that you feel most bodybuilders fail to achieve their goals because of poor nutrition than for any other reason. I believe you once told me that you felt nutrition was more important than exercise.

LARRY: Basically I eat a lot of meat, cheese, and eggs. I like cottage cheese and meat--mostly beef in various forms. I eat almost no carbohydrates and very few vegetables. I supplement my diet with Johnson's Protein. That is about it. It's a rather bland diet but it seems to work best for me at the present time anyhow.

IRVIN: I understand that during your big gains-that is from approximately 170 or 175 to your top 210, you used large amounts of protein supplement. Would you care to tell us how much you did use and how you used it?

LARRY: I was using from 11/2 to 2 cups of Johnson's Protein (Rheo H. Blair's Protein) per day. I would mix it with cream and milk. I used about 2/3 of a quart of cream a day in mixing this along with the milk to make it the desired consistency. I took this protein-cream mix three times per day. I would eat 6 to 8 times per day. I would have breakfast, then a snack at 10 A. M. and then lunch at noon, then another snack at 2:30 P.M., then dinner plus the Protein-Cream drink. My evening meal is eaten after I work out.

COMMENTS BY JOHNSON: Larry Scott is not a big eater -- that is he does not like to eat big meals, therefore he has to eat more often and he needs the concentrate food such as protein supplements etc. Larry has also taken other supplements just before contests to help in his improvement, even tho it is too expensive for him to take regularly. He takes B complex and a special Liver Formula. He also takes special Hydrochloric acid tablets. These assist in the digestion of protein. Larry has told me that he feels that proper nutrition is 85% of the battle of bodybuilding.

Larry is the hardest worker I have seen in all my years of association with bodybuilding. He is a slow and hard gainer and so he has to work hard. He should be an inspiration to others who also find it hard to gain, illustrating that success will come from persistence, hard work, and good nutrition.




Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on May 23, 2012, 08:23:50 AM
Larry Scott a "slow and hard gainer" ??????? What typical utter magazine bullshit.  Of course Larry works harder than everyone else, the hardest working bodybuilder.  They all are!  LOL............Scott was one of the most genetically gifted bodybuilders to step on stage during his era. 


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: jpm101 on May 23, 2012, 09:42:32 AM
Actually most all agree that Scott had the worse disadvantages of any BB'er. The narrow shoulders, back and very average chest, for example. Fairly bad genetic, which was overcome by an intellectual approach to his training and diet. Every pound of muscle gained, took a slow and steady progress. Nothing really happened over night for him. Looking at Scott now, at an older age, anyone can notice the narrow body frame. Scott, the man with one of the most outstanding pec/delt tie in's and arms , in BB'ing history, should set the example of anyone who would be discouraged  by less than even normal genetics.

Boyer Coe was another example of a hard gainer, nothing came natural for him, all work and sweat. good Luck.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: GoneAway on May 30, 2012, 10:26:42 PM
Larry's changes were anything but slow and steady. He was the Kai Greene of his era. He turned from an average, slim bodybuilder into Mr. Olympia in a few short years.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Montague on May 31, 2012, 09:45:46 AM
Larry's structural genetics were below par; very thin with narrow clavicles & shoulders. This is evidenced in very early pictures of him.

The speed with which he progressed is subjective, but - regardless of the timeframe - no one can deny that he responded tremendously to whatever he did and/or took.



Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: kimo on May 31, 2012, 11:18:36 AM
alzheimer for larry scott i have heard . is this correct


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Montague on May 31, 2012, 01:37:25 PM
alzheimer for larry scott i have heard . is this correct


I haven't come across any information either way.
Where did you hear that news?


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: kimo on June 01, 2012, 05:10:59 AM
on joe roark iron history . first .


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: funk51 on June 01, 2012, 09:02:50 AM
on joe roark iron history . first .
also on ironage.us. i heard it was true.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Montague on June 01, 2012, 02:02:52 PM
on joe roark iron history . first .


Yeah, I did a quick search before heading out this morning. It seems that quite a few sites are reporting the same information.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Montague on June 01, 2012, 02:04:56 PM
also on ironage.us. i heard it was true.


Has a reliable source confirmed it?


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: funk51 on June 03, 2012, 12:59:22 PM

Has a reliable source confirmed it?
some guy on rawiron reported it, he said larry actually called him and was a little incoherent, this guy just did an article= interview with larry and larry thought it was over a year ago. the guy's name alias i guess was rodster. the disease is a strange one everyone progresses differently. music great glen campbell has had it for awhile yet he still performs. however he gets lost from time to time in his sets.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: stuntmovie on June 15, 2012, 07:11:32 PM
I haven't read all these posts about Larry but I first met him in the early 60's while I was stationed at Pendleton and used to train at Golds on the weekends in Venice.. We would always run into Larry at Santa Monica Beach and he was just starting to look more like a bodybuilder than a gymnast which I believe he was in the 50's..

He was the best of them all at that time in my opinion, but to be honest there were not too many real bodybuilders back then  and no more than 10 to 12 competitors would show up to compete in the relatively few SoCal contests most of which were held at in an outdoor theater on Venice Beach or at the Embassy Auditorium adjacent to the Embassy Hotel in downtown Los Angeles.

And almost all the contestants in those days came from Pearl's Gym in Pasadena or Joe Gold's original gym in Venice. To the best of my recollection very few came from Vince's Gym over in the San Fernando Valley where we used to train the horses for the movies. A lot of that area was farmland and pastures back then.

Then around 1965 Scott blew up to an amazing size. Mostly bulk but he trimmed it down and looked unreal when it came to contest time.

Many years later I did a  seminar with Larry and after many years of doing seminars with the best of the best, I had to admit that Larry's seminar was the best of the best wirhout a doubt.

He started by simply introducint himself and asking if there were any questions.

And as each question was asked, he'd write a short version of that question on a blackboard and then continue to take questions and folllow suit until no one had any more questions.

Then he'd proceed to take each question on that blackboard and answer each and every one in a span of about  60 seconds each .... and within an hour, every  every question would be answered.

On many other occasion during seminars there would always be one or two people in  the audiance who would ask questions that would  go into an hour discussion , but Larry would not allow that to happen.

If he felt it was gonna happen he'd simply say, "Talk to me after this seminar is finished:.

Always was a pleasure working with Larry._


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Montague on June 16, 2012, 02:58:21 AM
Great stuff, Stunt!
I know he gets a lot of flack for "pimping" his products & services over the years, but Larry always seemed like a classy guy in the way you mentioned above.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: yendor1152 on September 29, 2012, 07:15:08 PM
some guy on rawiron reported it, he said larry actually called him and was a little incoherent, this guy just did an article= interview with larry and larry thought it was over a year ago. the guy's name alias i guess was rodster. the disease is a strange one everyone progresses differently. music great glen campbell has had it for awhile yet he still performs. however he gets lost from time to time in his sets.

I'm the one who posted that on Raw Iron about Larry, but I never said he was a "little incoherent." Larry called to ask why we hadn't been in touch for a while--had he offended me in any way? This was a surprise to me, since the last time we chatted, everything was fine. The article we did was on "Muscle Beach Party," and while we had spoken about it originally over a year ago, the actual interview wasn't done that long ago. Anyway, as we talked, Larry confessed that he is in the first stages of early-onset Alzheimer's Disease. He spoke at length about it, in fact. I'll be doing an article on his struggle--and it is a struggle. He's still working at his business and doing his usual everyday things--including lifting--but what prompted his concern and a visit to a doctor was memory loss.

Overall, though, Larry's attitude is upbeat, as usual. He's a great champion and a superlative person. I've known him since 1985, when we first worked together--but, of course, I originally "met" him when I was a kid, and he was all over the Weider mags. Larry Scott has always been my favorite bodybuilder. We've done five articles together so far, with the 5th being about Muscle Beach Party. That'll see print in Fangoria magazine. The other four were printed in Iron Man (twice), MuscleMag and Flex (a two-parter). The Alzheimer's article will more than likely go into MuscleMag, since they're the ones I'm writing for now.

If you can, say a prayer for Larry. He deserves all the kindness and good thoughts we can give!

Rod


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Montague on September 30, 2012, 05:36:15 AM
I'm the one who posted that on Raw Iron about Larry, but I never said he was a "little incoherent." Larry called to ask why we hadn't been in touch for a while--had he offended me in any way? This was a surprise to me, since the last time we chatted, everything was fine. The article we did was on "Muscle Beach Party," and while we had spoken about it originally over a year ago, the actual interview wasn't done that long ago. Anyway, as we talked, Larry confessed that he is in the first stages of early-onset Alzheimer's Disease. He spoke at length about it, in fact. I'll be doing an article on his struggle--and it is a struggle. He's still working at his business and doing his usual everyday things--including lifting--but what prompted his concern and a visit to a doctor was memory loss.

Overall, though, Larry's attitude is upbeat, as usual. He's a great champion and a superlative person. I've known him since 1985, when we first worked together--but, of course, I originally "met" him when I was a kid, and he was all over the Weider mags. Larry Scott has always been my favorite bodybuilder. We've done five articles together so far, with the 5th being about Muscle Beach Party. That'll see print in Fangoria magazine. The other four were printed in Iron Man (twice), MuscleMag and Flex (a two-parter). The Alzheimer's article will more than likely go into MuscleMag, since they're the ones I'm writing for now.

If you can, say a prayer for Larry. He deserves all the kindness and good thoughts we can give!

Rod


Will you please post any available links to the articles here?


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: myosaurus on February 20, 2013, 09:30:58 AM
sorry to bump an old thread... I was actually his client working with his ''bio-phase training'' for 2 years. i was 19 yrs old and def made some serious gains at the time. I believe his methods contributed to my unique shape when i grew older and bigger.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Montague on February 20, 2013, 12:00:17 PM
sorry to bump an old thread... I was actually his client working with his ''bio-phase training'' for 2 years. i was 19 yrs old and def made some serious gains at the time. I believe his methods contributed to my unique shape when i grew older and bigger.


Welcome aboard!!

I remember the Bio-Phase ads in the Weider mags; I think that was around 1988. I recall they featured a customized training plan and supplements. What exactly did your system consist of? Did you actually get to consult Larry personally?


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: myosaurus on March 09, 2013, 06:43:56 PM

Welcome aboard!!

I remember the Bio-Phase ads in the Weider mags; I think that was around 1988. I recall they featured a customized training plan and supplements. What exactly did your system consist of? Did you actually get to consult Larry personally?

thank you. every 2 weeks, larry's associate would send me training routines and diet adjusted to my goal and progress. the package also included copies from Bill Pearl's ''key to the inner universe'' where every variations of every exercise is listed with pictures. I wish i was able to speak to larry personally but thats only if your given trainer wasnt able to answer your question.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Montague on March 09, 2013, 06:50:18 PM
thank you. every 2 weeks, larry's associate would send me training routines and diet adjusted to my goal and progress. the package also included copies from Bill Pearl's ''key to the inner universe'' where every variations of every exercise is listed with pictures. I wish i was able to speak to larry personally but thats only if your given trainer wasnt able to answer your question.


That's interesting. I was always curious about the intricacies of the program.

Did you also use any of the supplements?


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: myosaurus on March 10, 2013, 08:14:08 AM

That's interesting. I was always curious about the intricacies of the program.

Did you also use any of the supplements?

No I was broke at the time and thought the supps were overpriced.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: Montague on March 10, 2013, 09:56:17 AM
No I was broke at the time and thought the supps were overpriced.


LOL!! I can't fault you there.

Larry advertised his protein as being the same as Blair's famous formula, but I understand that his had a ton of sugar in it, which Blair's obviously did not.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: jpm101 on March 10, 2013, 01:10:03 PM
Possible, but don't think that Larry Scott has the same complex compound that Reho Blair (Irvin Johnson) did in the original formula. Might be close, but not quite  (just a personal view, talking to and reading about, the original concept from stronger brains than mine).

There is a guy who sells (his version) of the original formula, and say he was a close companion of Blair's, who worked and trained with him. Don't know if this gentleman was Blair's "partner", back in the day, or not. But rumor has it that the secret of Blair's formulas went to the early grave with him.

Blair's protein powder had a strong  milk (some suggest whey protein) and egg base, but never confirmed what the secret stuff actually contained. He also was big on amino acids, B-complexes and assorted other supplements. Advised to mix the powder in a heavy cream milk product. Taken throughout the day. Maybe the low carb and the high fat (heavy dairy creams, etc) accounted for the body fat loss and muscle gains of the Blair diets. Guy's who were on it, claimed increased strength and energy day by day. Some claimed a couple of inches removed from the waist during the time on the protocol. Not that many veggies or wheat products eaten with the original Blair diet.

Too bad none of that stuff is still around, could get a chemical key to the structure of what was really in it. Also the important ratio per ratio to each compound.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on March 14, 2013, 01:23:26 PM
Possible, but don't think that Larry Scott has the same complex compound that Reho Blair (Irvin Johnson) did in the original formula. Might be close, but not quite  (just a personal view, talking to and reading about, the original concept from stronger brains than mine).

There is a guy who sells (his version) of the original formula, and say he was a close companion of Blair's, who worked and trained with him. Don't know if this gentleman was Blair's "partner", back in the day, or not. But rumor has it that the secret of Blair's formulas went to the early grave with him.

Blair's protein powder had a strong  milk (some suggest whey protein) and egg base, but never confirmed what the secret stuff actually contained. He also was big on amino acids, B-complexes and assorted other supplements. Advised to mix the powder in a heavy cream milk product. Taken throughout the day. Maybe the low carb and the high fat (heavy dairy creams, etc) accounted for the body fat loss and muscle gains of the Blair diets. Guy's who were on it, claimed increased strength and energy day by day. Some claimed a couple of inches removed from the waist during the time on the protocol. Not that many veggies or wheat products eaten with the original Blair diet.

Too bad none of that stuff is still around, could get a chemical key to the structure of what was really in it. Also the important ratio per ratio to each compound.

Chemical key to the structure of what was really in it?  LMAO!  Some of you clowns really believe in this old golden age nonsense.  Like they were from some sort of alien planet.  There was nothing magical in any supplement back then. Nothing that isn't available nowadays.  Most of those supplements had a lot of different things in them.  The only difference was they were not as artificial, refined, and filled with crap like nowadays.  Most had egg protein, milk, cream, etc. like you were saying.  Hell some of them had Hershey's milk chocolate and Ovaltene like crap in them.  There was nothing special about anything back then.  Larry Scott was a big time dbol popper like many in his day.


Title: Re: Larry Scott
Post by: jpm101 on March 14, 2013, 04:22:31 PM
Muscle MC

Chemical key just means what was the basic stuff in the protein blend. Like the ratio of amino acids from egg, dairy or whatever. No mystery or magic stuff, just what the amino acid make up was; like; eggs, dairy, etc protein. And/or what the ratio/blend was to one another. Pretty common theory, back then and even now, that Blair's was pretty much a higher quality of egg and milk proteins. Used with a heavy whipping cream (another different protein product). Like DNA, a amino acid and how it is structured, can give different results, some bad...some good.

Witnesses say that Scott did D'bol (among other chemicals). And big time, back it that day, was some pretty weak stuff.

Lot of fraud back then (as there is now) and what was labeled high quality protein could actually be low quality and heavily laced with soy powder. Cheap Soy power is missing some of the amino acid base (22 amino acids) and a poor example of a useful protein. Bob Hoffman and Joe Weider were good examples of men who tried to pass some of their protein brands as pure. Weider was known for paying off the law suits and just keep making the same poor quality stuff under a different label brand.