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Title: Obesity
Post by: proschic on November 05, 2006, 10:53:43 AM
Everyone knows that being pregnant causes me to Love Dr. Phil...so I'm watching yet another show.

This one is the Dr. Phil House.  They have a bunch of people from diff walks of life who hate each other in the same house.  Its kinda interesting.  There is one guy on there who angers me, though.  The fat guy!  This guy is like 500 lbs, with sores all over his face, and the same damn outfit that they started the show in.  Everyone bitches about his stench...he claims he cant stand in the shower to bathe, and he is too big to sit in the bathtub.

He is stuck in a room with a small girl that HATES fat people.  I don't think the word "HATE" is a good one to use in reference to any person, but she has legitimate reasons as to why he is a waste of a human being.  And he is only proving her reasons!

I am watching a show on obesity (discovery network) now, and they are doing plastic surgery on a 600 lb woman!  They have removed 21lbs of skin in ONE LEG!!!!!!!!  Thats how much I have gained in my ENTIRE pregnancy!!!!! 

I am trying to have sympathy for these people, but find myself repulsed by them!  I feel that they are lazy and only waiting for the skinny people to help them out.  Bariatric surgery is a JOKE!  Only a crutch, so these people wont get off their fat asses and exercise!

how do you feel about the obese?
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Deedee on November 05, 2006, 11:13:00 AM
It's hard not to be judgemental... although to be fair some people become obese due to medication their taking, or some health condition. But it's hard not to find the average morbidly obese revolting when they take up all kinds of space on elevators, or you see them chowing down on three burgers, etc... For the most part though, it seems they're addicted, the way other people are to alcohol or drugs. Except in their case, they can't stay away from the addictive substance, since you can't sustain life without nourishment.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: proschic on November 05, 2006, 12:09:08 PM
It's hard not to be judgemental... although to be fair some people become obese due to medication their taking, or some health condition. But it's hard not to find the average morbidly obese revolting when they take up all kinds of space on elevators, or you see them chowing down on three burgers, etc... For the most part though, it seems they're addicted, the way other people are to alcohol or drugs. Except in their case, they can't stay away from the addictive substance, since you can't sustain life without nourishment.

You can tell the legitimate obese people (because of medical conditions or medication), from the fat and lazy obese people.  They are the first ones to bitch about chairs not being big enough, or discrimination because they cant do the same things we do.  They give fit and skinny people dirty looks. 

When I was doing my endocrinology rotations at a doc's office, we had a patient who was about 400lbs.  She was being seen for her diabetes (of course).  She refused to have me evaluate her because I was "too skinny, and would not understand her situation".  I was livid!!!  This woman is judging ME because SHE is fat!!  I was always a promoter of fitness and exercise...actually helped a handful of patients with diets and exercise routines to get them off of insulin!!  What was so funny about this woman...she was coming in on that day to ask for a script for one of those motorized "scooter" chairs.  She is lucky she didn't see me because I would have laughed in her face!

Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Deadpool on November 05, 2006, 12:29:05 PM
I should give advice on how to slim down, people are finally starting to notice I lost weight
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: proschic on November 05, 2006, 02:54:45 PM

  please be sure to share this gift for compassion you have with your daughter.  The world could use more tolerant people in it.   

   I hope if she has any problems in her life she is met with the same attitude from people that you give to people. 

I am a very tolerant person!  I have compassion and would lend a hand to anyone who may need it...big or small, young or old! 

Let me explain myself a little better, so you can see where I am coming from.  I am not damning obese people...I was in the medical field for about 6 years, I've seen all sizes of people.  I understand that there are conditions, and medications that cause weight gain, which can sometimes lead to obesity.  The difference in these people and the simply "lazy, fat" people is their way of life.  What I don't agree with, is an obese person constantly crying the blues and not willing to do anything about their size.  All they want to tell you is what they CANT do, instead of trying things to lose the weight.  It may be just me, but I find it hard to have compassion with someone who is 400 lbs and telling you they cant stop drinking 10 cans of Coke a day because it gives them the shakes. (I had a pt tell me that) or telling you they are not willing to stop eating a doz donuts IN 1 SITTING because the smell is intoxicating.  There has to be a point in your life where you take responsibility for your actions! If you are unhappy with you body...whether you are 200 lbs or 500 lbs, do something about it.  They have spent many years of over-eating and no exercizing to get where they are...bitching about it is not going to make the weight come off.  Its hard to look at a patient in physical therapy who has 2nd degree burns over 60% of her body, including her face, who smiles at you while they are trying to walk again, and move their hands normally when you have just left a diet consult with an obese patient who is completely mobile, and has no medical conditions besides what carrying 300lbs of extra weight has caused.  Especially when this obese pt left pissed off because you wont increase their vicodin to 3x a day, because they gained weight and "I just can't feel the effects".  Thats where I have a problem.   

As for my daughter...she will be taught to give compassion and respect EVERY SINGLE person she comes in contact with!!!!!  At the same time...she will be taught responsibility, work ethic, and that NOTHING comes easy! If she has medical problems (God forbid) that cause any kind of distortion to her image, I can only hope she has people like me in her life to help her and keep her head up.  At the same time, if she choses to distort her own image, I will help her to change, but I will NOT enable her.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Deedee on November 05, 2006, 03:47:50 PM
A long time ago, I did volunteer work at a physiotherapy center. Some of the people there were, as you say, inspiring in their will to get better. There were others though who had serious physical disabilities due to their obesity.  Many of them were lazy, chronic complainers... mindfully ignorant that their "painful feet" (I HATED that one), shot knees, diabetes, back problems etc... were self-inflicted due to their refusal to diet and exercise. But some of the stories were also quite saddening... people who had lost hundreds of pounds only to gain them back again. People who were literally addicted to food. I think once it gets to the point where you can't leave your own house, or even walk to the bathroom, you're dealing with a seriously ill person.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: proschic on November 05, 2006, 04:23:42 PM
A long time ago, I did volunteer work at a physiotherapy center. Some of the people there were, as you say, inspiring in their will to get better. There were others though who had serious physical disabilities due to their obesity.  Many of them were lazy, chronic complainers... mindfully ignorant that their "painful feet" (I HATED that one), shot knees, diabetes, back problems etc... were self-inflicted due to their refusal to diet and exercise. But some of the stories were also quite saddening... people who had lost hundreds of pounds only to gain them back again. People who were literally addicted to food. I think once it gets to the point where you can't leave your own house, or even walk to the bathroom, you're dealing with a seriously ill person.

I agree.  I think it has to be seen, like any other addiction, on a case by case basis.  Maybe my problem is not with obese people...but with those that spend half of their life complaining. 
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: proschic on November 05, 2006, 05:21:38 PM
I must of misunderstood you saying you would of laughed in that woman's face?

    You don't have to enable someone, but you could be thankful that you don't have whatever problem it is that made them allow themselves to get that big.   Maybe have some tolerance from that point of view that you don't feel that way about yourself and you would never let yourself sink to that point.

 


   

Would I have really laughed in her face...or anyone's face for that matter? NO.  I am not mean or shallow like that.  If anything, I would have kept my opinions to myself.  What I would have done is try to talk some sense into her.  Letting her know that by getting this chair she has a higher chance of gaining more weight and it leading to more problems.  I would have also let her know that being able to walk around with her size should be used more positively, it might be painful at first...but definatly worth it in the long run.

I would prefer to help people get to where they want to be in life rather than cry with them about their problems.  I feel that with life being so short...there is no need to gravel in your own sorrows, but instead work to change them.  That includes any type of problem...from addictions, family, dependencies, jobs, financial issues...etc.  If anyone came to me with a problem...I would do what I could to help them, but I would NOT listen to them bitch about it.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: 24KT on November 05, 2006, 10:29:30 PM
Totally OFF-topic, ...but I had to comment.

The above exchange between Tasha & Flower, is a prime example of why we need more women running things in society. If these were two people of another sex, (trying to be PC) ...I think the conversation would have devolved into nasty name calling, insults, and major hostility before anyone even had a chance to clarify their thoughts on the issue. Or the thread would have been all " gee... let's see how many different creative insults can be hurled against the obese..." Women really need to be running things.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: proschic on November 05, 2006, 10:45:24 PM
Totally OFF-topic, ...but I had to comment.

The above exchange between Tasha & Flower, is a prime example of why we need more women running things in society. If these were two people of another sex, (trying to be PC) ...I think the conversation would have devolved into nasty name calling, insults, and major hostility before anyone even had a chance to clarify their thoughts on the issue. Or the thread would have been all " gee... let's see how many different creative insults can be hurled against the obese..." Women really need to be running things.

Amen! 

I respect others opinions...whether they agree with me or not.  I am open to listening to their side and seeing where they are coming from.  This is a forum board...full of different religions, races, ages, and people in general.  No need to insult...debating is good.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Playboy on November 06, 2006, 06:02:56 AM
There is no excuse for obesity. People are just lazy and their diets are brutal. I saw this one trading spouses episode on t.v where the one wife was very fit, she worked out at a gym, she ate healthy and the other wife was extremely obese, so was her husband and son. What did they do? They ate ding dongs for breakfest, potatoe chips everywhere, take out everyday, 4 hour afternoon naps, etc. People need to start to take control of their health. 

PB
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Butterbean on November 06, 2006, 06:10:54 AM
Totally OFF-topic, ...but I had to comment.

The above exchange between Tasha & Flower, is a prime example of why we need more women running things in society. If these were two people of another sex, (trying to be PC) ...I think the conversation would have devolved into nasty name calling, insults, and major hostility before anyone even had a chance to clarify their thoughts on the issue. Or the thread would have been all " gee... let's see how many different creative insults can be hurled against the obese..." Women really need to be running things.

I think it just would depend on the man involved.  I think there are men on here that can have intelligent and mature debates.  But the environment of the message board (and maybe getbig in particular) tends to bend toward taking things to the extreme.

(but I agree, I also appreciate proschic and flower :)  )
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Migs on November 06, 2006, 06:53:04 AM
damn, well i have officially renounced cheetos and chocolate.  only good stuff for me from now on.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Migs on November 06, 2006, 06:59:09 AM
I..I..I don't know if i can last..feeling weak, lol
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Lord Humungous on November 06, 2006, 07:09:10 AM
damn, well i have officially renounced cheetos and chocolate.  only good stuff for me from now on.

Migs, if you dont mind please send those goodies to me Im kinda porky and I like it. I dont have to struggle to find 32, 33, or 34 jeans anymore since they are popular sizes. I hip check people at the buffet and people dont crowed me anymore becase I take up 2 seats when I sit down
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Migs on November 06, 2006, 07:23:04 AM
lol
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: proschic on November 06, 2006, 12:12:40 PM
Migs, if you dont mind please send those goodies to me Im kinda porky and I like it. I dont have to struggle to find 32, 33, or 34 jeans anymore since they are popular sizes. I hip check people at the buffet and people dont crowed me anymore becase I take up 2 seats when I sit down

NO NO!!  Send them to me!!!  I am delivering next month and the doc says I am 5lbs underweight.  Its for the welfare of my baby...Migs!!
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Migs on November 06, 2006, 12:32:01 PM
NO NO!!  Send them to me!!!  I am delivering next month and the doc says I am 5lbs underweight.  Its for the welfare of my baby...Migs!!

Geeze, you play dirty!
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Lord Humungous on November 06, 2006, 03:05:40 PM
NO NO!!  Send them to me!!!  I am delivering next month and the doc says I am 5lbs underweight.  Its for the welfare of my baby...Migs!!

Only if Chic takes back what he said about building forearms  >:(
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 06, 2006, 04:19:50 PM
live....let live...


if eating makes ya happy...meh who am i to judge...

so long as ya dont whine when ya get heart disease and blame someone else..
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: proschic on November 06, 2006, 05:09:15 PM
Only if Chic takes back what he said about building forearms  >:(

haha...Lord, you will have to take that one up with him.  Hopefully his comments on BB won't interfere with me trying to get a big ass.  :-\
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Bypass on November 06, 2006, 06:16:58 PM
Interesting topic....

4 years ago, I was one of these people, weighing in at 437lbs, the day of my surgery, the surgery itself was not a crutch, but food was...I used it for everything, Now, I was always big but not fat, in High School, I was 6'4 315, carrying about 17 - 19% bf, and played offensive line in High School and College, however after college, getting married, and settling into a desk job, I let myself go, didn't work out, didn't eat properly, basically I got lazy, and yes I'm not afraid to admit that most obese people, are simply lazy. I used phen/phen, Adkins, worked out, but fell into the yo-yo diet scene...at age 30, I couldn't walk upstairs without gasping for breath, I was so far gone, I saw no other choice than the surgery, the day my surgeon released me from my medical, I went to the nearest personal training studio, and got a personal trainer, and started working out 5 days a week, every morning, I lost 210 lbs, in 6 months, then rebuilt my body up to 255 lbs. Today I am 6'4, 231, with 11.5% bf, and am actually in the fitness industry, for me the surgery was not a crutch, but it was a life saving procedure, and I do from time to time have some guilt pangs, as I think to myself if I had just eaten right and exercised, I would have gotten the same results. The surgery is a kick start, if you have the surgery, but do not change your habits, diet, exercise, life style and deal with the problems in your life that made you what you were before the surgery, you will fail, you will gain the weight back. Having been there, and changed my life, I still reach out to support groups, to show these people that they can change their life, by living a healthy lifestyle, whether they have the surgery or not, as it is not for everyone, you are literally putting your life on the line with the surgery, 95% of the people who die from the surgery do so in the first week from surgery, do to complications...understa nding I'm not defending anyone, but in todays lifestyle, only about 10% of us try and live a healthy lifestyle, I think there should be way more education to our children, look at the number of obese kids out there, yet in the US we continue to cut programs such as Physical Education and Health Classes for our young, and parents instead of getting their kids interested in sports and physical activity, put tv's and xbox's in their rooms, to pacify them...our country is in a sad state...hopefully we wake up soon.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: proschic on November 06, 2006, 07:54:17 PM
Bypass...

props to you for turning something negative into positive.  For taking a part of your life that you did not like and changing it. 
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: muscleforlife on November 07, 2006, 03:34:28 PM
On the flip side, we have people, especially women who think a size zero is sexy.

Nicole Ritchie comes to mind.  In this society, we are bombarded by what a "perfect physique" should resemble.

It is a major detriment to people as a whole to make us all fit into one type of shape, weight, fitness level.

If you are healthy at 5'5 and weigh 160 lbs, good for you!  If you are healthy at 6'2 and weigh 300lbs good for you.

We as a people shouldn't allow us to think we should fit a basic physical standard.

In the end, we all die.  Enjoy life while you can.

Sandra
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: proschic on November 07, 2006, 05:07:56 PM
On the flip side, we have people, especially women who think a size zero is sexy.

Nicole Ritchie comes to mind.  In this society, we are bombarded by what a "perfect physique" should resemble.

It is a major detriment to people as a whole to make us all fit into one type of shape, weight, fitness level.

If you are healthy at 5'5 and weigh 160 lbs, good for you!  If you are healthy at 6'2 and weigh 300lbs good for you.

We as a people shouldn't allow us to think we should fit a basic physical standard.

In the end, we all die.  Enjoy life while you can.

Sandra

Thats a good point...pay less attention to the number, and more attention to the way you feel.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Deadpool on November 09, 2006, 07:48:05 AM
did you see the discovery channel special Obese at 16 about a kid who underwent gastric bypass
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Chick on November 09, 2006, 08:50:16 AM
did you see the discovery channel special Obese at 16 about a kid who underwent gastric bypass

yes, and he looked amazing after.  hopefully he can keep it all off and have a normal adulthood.

I cant help but wonder if he would have been able to take it off without surgery....just plain ol' exercise and diet
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Migs on November 09, 2006, 08:58:39 AM
the sad thing is that a large percentage of these people develop hunger painss after a year and many willregain much of the weight.  They will eat and continue to strecth their stomachs.  The surgery has to be followed by behavior modification stuy in order t be effective.  It is a drastic surgery and there are other options like the gastric band.  Hopefully they will learn to keep it off. 
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Bypass on November 09, 2006, 10:49:34 AM
You are absolutely right, it is sad to say that nearly 20% of the people who have the surgery initially have success with losing the weight, however they fail to realize it is just a tool to be used for the first 9 months to a year, to jump start their weight loss, but as you say with out a change in lifestyle, education, nutrition and exercise, they will put the weight back on. I personally know several people, who took the surgery as a silver bullet, miracle cure if you would, and initially lost weight, but after 2 years are back to nearly where they started. I for one, risked my life to get where I am, and live my life every day in a healthy way, I continue to make sure through, diet and exercise, I keep my body working properly, could I eat 10 cheeseburgers, not all at once, but I could over the course of the day, giving me the same caloric intake I used to have, and that is what happens to these people, rather than eating 4-5 small meals spaced out through the day, they graze, eating constantly, stretching their stomachs, back to where they can eat more and more. I am currently working with several surgeons in my area, and a national support website, to help these people with an aftercare program through my company, that provides a 12 week, exercise and nutritional supoort, from personal trainers and dietitians.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Migs on November 09, 2006, 11:00:01 AM
i have seen this too as i know of severl people this has happened to or was starting to happen to.  Luckily one was smart enough to control it the correct way.  the other two haven't.  There is no miracle cure, well there is, but it takes effort and dediciation.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Deadpool on November 10, 2006, 12:58:54 PM
the diet and exersize route is hard...but it is working for me
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: 24KT on November 11, 2006, 08:07:22 PM
I think it just would depend on the man involved.

Ooops. My bad. You are absolutely correct!  :)

Quote
I think there are men on here that can have intelligent and mature debates.  But the environment of the message board (and maybe getbig in particular) tends to bend toward taking things to the extreme.

(but I agree, I also appreciate proschic and flower :)  )

Yes definitely. I know there are guys on here who exemplify the spirit of decency & civility, and I didn't mean to imply they would behave otherwise. I guess I just wish we had more men in this world (and particularly in these forums) who realized that their masculinity does NOT stem from how many people they can assault physically, rhetorically, literally, or figuratively.  :'(

This world would be soooo much better off.  :)
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: 24KT on November 11, 2006, 08:09:05 PM
Wow Bypass. Congratulations!
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Migs on November 12, 2006, 05:24:50 AM
Ooops. My bad. You are absolutely correct!  :)

Yes definitely. I know there are guys on here who exemplify the spirit of decency & civility, and I didn't mean to imply they would behave otherwise. I guess I just wish we had more men in this world (and particularly in these forums) who realized that their masculinity does NOT stem from how many people they can assault physically, rhetorically, literally, or figuratively.  :'(

This world would be soooo much better off.  :)

HI!
sorry goatboy, stealing your line, lol
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 12, 2006, 08:02:05 AM
yes, and he looked amazing after.  hopefully he can keep it all off and have a normal adulthood.

I cant help but wonder if he would have been able to take it off without surgery....just plain ol' exercise and diet

that kid prolly woulda been able to without surgery..remember..even his sister said he ws lazy..he took the easy way out...plus the long term side effects or gastric bypass (20 plus yrs) are not known...

funny how the fda thinks cutting up a human body is A-ok to help someone look good...but gear will kill ya :-\



Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Bypass on November 12, 2006, 08:23:12 AM
Thank you Jaguar. Toxic one thing that alot of people don't understand is that the Gastric Bypass procedure is actually a modified version of a surgery that Oncologists have been doing for over 25 years for patients with Stomach Cancer, that is actually how my surgeon got into Bariatric surgery, the wife of one of his cancer patients wanted the bypass, he researched it and started doing the procedure. There are many people who are 10 years plus with the procedure, it has just become very popular in the past 5 years, with the celebrities publicizing it. I do feel however they are too lax on who can or can not have the surgery, especially the lap band procedures, I still feel you need to be 100+ lbs over weight, with a bmi of at least 30 to qualify, however that is not the case, many people 70 - 80 lbs, are now getting the procedure, it should be a last ditch effort to save your life, not a cosmetic procedure, because you aren't willing to change your lifestyle. And this is coming from someone who's had it.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: proschic on November 12, 2006, 09:28:48 AM
that kid prolly woulda been able to without surgery..remember..even his sister said he ws lazy..he took the easy way out...plus the long term side effects or gastric bypass (20 plus yrs) are not known...

funny how the fda thinks cutting up a human body is A-ok to help someone look good...but gear will kill ya :-\





hahaha...yea and alcohol is legal.  You gotta love America.  We are so politically correct!!

Has anyone seen this new "lap band" procedure?  From what I have read, its a joke!  I am wondering if anyone knows a person who has had this done?? 
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Bypass on November 12, 2006, 10:28:37 AM
The lap band is basically a restrictive procedure that can be adjusted to make the stomach smaller or bigger, it has about a 45% failure rate, do to the fact that people can eat more and more, and have it removed altogether, much higher incidents of strictures, as they usually adjust the band too tight at first, it's not a permanent procedure but it's shown as a jump start procedure, usually for people who are scared of gastric bypass or have between 80 - 100 lbs to lose, lap banders will lose around 65% of their excess weight with the procedure, where a gastric bypass patient will lose up to 80 - 85% of their excess weight directly from the procedure, before having to work the rest off through diet and exercise.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: proschic on November 12, 2006, 10:54:31 AM
The lap band is basically a restrictive procedure that can be adjusted to make the stomach smaller or bigger, it has about a 45% failure rate, do to the fact that people can eat more and more, and have it removed altogether, much higher incidents of strictures, as they usually adjust the band too tight at first, it's not a permanent procedure but it's shown as a jump start procedure, usually for people who are scared of gastric bypass or have between 80 - 100 lbs to lose, lap banders will lose around 65% of their excess weight with the procedure, where a gastric bypass patient will lose up to 80 - 85% of their excess weight directly from the procedure, before having to work the rest off through diet and exercise.

Its basically at band they put around the top of the stomach, right.  How does it effect digestion?  From what I understand, you have 2 smaller stomachs.  Does it teach you to eat smaller meals more frequently?  I honestly dont see how it can be beneficial to your body.  Especially since there is a foreign object wrapped around your stomach.  Are there any stats on abruption, infection, or any other problems associated with this procedure?
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Bypass on November 12, 2006, 12:05:00 PM
your absolutely right, it is a tool to help them lose the weight and learn to eat smaller meals more frequently, but if they remove it at the end of the weight loss, and they haven't changed their habits, yo-yo city, the weight will come back on, it does nothing for digestion, it is a "safer" surgery, much less invasive and is why it is becoming popular, but it is simply a restrictive procedure and does nothing with the digestion or absorption of the food. Not worth the 20k people or should I say, insurance companies are paying for it, much to high a rate of failure, and people having revisions to gastric bypass in a few years.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Deadpool on November 13, 2006, 07:06:19 AM
Ya know, seriously now, I am thinking I will need surgery.  :(

However, it will be at THE END of my lifestyle change, not to start it.

I can see where I have been too big for too long, and the skin may never snap back tight.  I want to get down to a normal weight and stay down, but at some point there might be extra skin that I want trimmed off.  I hope I don't need it, the surgery has risks, but I'll be damned if I get down and stay down, I want the finishing touch

sounds pretty disgusting though  :-X
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Migs on November 13, 2006, 07:11:06 AM
Ya know, seriously now, I am thinking I will need surgery.  :(

However, it will be at THE END of my lifestyle change, not to start it.

I can see where I have been too big for too long, and the skin may never snap back tight.  I want to get down to a normal weight and stay down, but at some point there might be extra skin that I want trimmed off.  I hope I don't need it, the surgery has risks, but I'll be damned if I get down and stay down, I want the finishing touch

sounds pretty disgusting though  :-X

by the way how much ahave you lost?  I now the last time was near 25pound right.  That is awesome. 
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Deedee on November 13, 2006, 09:32:01 AM
hi!  :D

Hi.  :D
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Deedee on November 13, 2006, 09:33:12 AM
Apparently it takes a good three to six months for skin to snap back after a big weight loss.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Migs on November 13, 2006, 09:50:51 AM
there are also studies that say larger people need more vit c, and other things to promote collagen synthesis.  also there is a massage technique that is supposed to help build collagen and tighten the skin. I'll see if i can find the study and techniques.  I recently saw a whole body lift on a gil who had gastric bypass
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: proschic on November 13, 2006, 10:15:18 AM
there are also studies that say larger people need more vit c, and other things to promote collagen synthesis.  also there is a massage technique that is supposed to help build collagen and tighten the skin. I'll see if i can find the study and techniques.  I recently saw a whole body lift on a gil who had gastric bypass

i saw that too...all i can say is wow.  talk about putting your body thru some serious shit!  we are lucky to be so resilient.  although she looked OK, it wasn't anything to call home about.  Imo...it was not worth the money, time, or effort. 

Migs...I have been meaning to tell you.  I freakin LOVE your avatar!  Its very mesmerizing.  I can't help but stare!  I'm thinkin that with the pregnancy...I could probably pull that off!
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Migs on November 13, 2006, 10:31:26 AM
i saw that too...all i can say is wow.  talk about putting your body thru some serious shit!  we are lucky to be so resilient.  although she looked OK, it wasn't anything to call home about.  Imo...it was not worth the money, time, or effort. 

Migs...I have been meaning to tell you.  I freakin LOVE your avatar!  Its very mesmerizing.  I can't help but stare!  I'm thinkin that with the pregnancy...I could probably pull that off!

SOme surgeries are incredibly dastic.  HTere was a woman who lost 200+ pounds and went throughface lift, lipo on arms and cut off the excess skin there, breast lift and impnat, tummy tightneing and full body lift.  then they worked on her lower body.  even did liposuction around bikini area including the fat pad.  Drastic, but she looked much better afterwards, especillay since many of the stracth marks were removed.  Thanks for the um, compliment lol.  I think i can hypnotize and charge people with it. lol.  and no soment on the rest of what you said  :P 
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 14, 2006, 06:39:47 AM
there are also studies that say larger people need more vit c, and other things to promote collagen synthesis.  also there is a massage technique that is supposed to help build collagen and tighten the skin. I'll see if i can find the study and techniques.  I recently saw a whole body lift on a gil who had gastric bypass


google ascorbyl palmitate...its fat  soluble vitamin c


and u r welcome!
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Deadpool on November 14, 2006, 12:42:08 PM
since you asked, total is nearing 40 pounds
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Bypass on November 14, 2006, 01:58:45 PM
My skin won't snap back, it's been stretched so far for so long, that I need a complete circumfrential body lift, which is basically cutting my body in half and removing about 9" to a foot of skin, from my midsection then stitching me back together, but again, I am 34 and have been over 300 lbs. for the last 22 years, so it has no elasticity.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Migs on November 14, 2006, 07:28:00 PM
since you asked, total is nearing 40 pounds

FREAKING AWESOME MEDDIE!!! WAY TO GO!!!
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: proschic on November 14, 2006, 08:31:37 PM
My skin won't snap back, it's been stretched so far for so long, that I need a complete circumfrential body lift, which is basically cutting my body in half and removing about 9" to a foot of skin, from my midsection then stitching me back together, but again, I am 34 and have been over 300 lbs. for the last 22 years, so it has no elasticity.

i hope you don't mind me asking...but, are you content with the way your body is now?  Is having the weight off, and a much healthier lifestyle enough for you?  Or are you interested in finding out more about plastic surgery to remove the excess skin?  Would you like to take the necessary measures for the ideal body type. (whatever that may be)

The reason I ask is because I've only had contact with people who are big and "want" to lose weight.  I've never actually had a conversation with a person who has gone the distance to actually do what he says.  While I think you have done amazing things with your weight loss...I am interested in your thoughts now.  How do you feel about yourself, after the fact.

(you don't have to answer me...its really none of my business)
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Bypass on November 19, 2006, 03:23:29 PM
Actually, I am okay with my body image, but I do not feel like I have completed the process as of yet, I have consulted with 3 plastic surgeons to remove the excess skin around my midsection, to look at me you would not know that I was ever heavy before, unless I told you. I do not have excess skin anywhere besides my midsection, I wanted to be able to maintain my weigt for at least 3 years before having plastic surgery done. That I have, so I will be having the surgery within the next year hopefully, just a bitch to get off work for 21 days for the recovery.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: proschic on November 19, 2006, 06:23:30 PM
Actually, I am okay with my body image, but I do not feel like I have completed the process as of yet, I have consulted with 3 plastic surgeons to remove the excess skin around my midsection, to look at me you would not know that I was ever heavy before, unless I told you. I do not have excess skin anywhere besides my midsection, I wanted to be able to maintain my weigt for at least 3 years before having plastic surgery done. That I have, so I will be having the surgery within the next year hopefully, just a bitch to get off work for 21 days for the recovery.

Have you noticed any elasticity changes in your midsection over the 3 yrs of weight loss? 

I really hope this all works out for you.  Looks like the hard work is paying off!!
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Bypass on November 20, 2006, 10:28:24 AM
my midsection is pretty much screwed, it won't snap back, I can add size to some other areas, such as chest and legs, which I have so that skin is now tight, but the midsection has to be surgically removed. I was recently tested and at 6'4 and 230 or so, I'm 10.5% bodyfat, so would be really nice to have that skin off, would more than likely put me about a 32" waist. And thanks.
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Butterbean on November 20, 2006, 11:12:25 AM
Hi Bypass!  Congratulations on your accomplishment and thank you for all the information you are providing :)



Will you please read the sticky thread "If you would like to be able to post on this board" and just state that you'll abide by the rules there and we will put you on the "approved poster" list.

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Bypass on November 20, 2006, 11:50:31 AM
absolutely
Title: Re: Obesity
Post by: Butterbean on November 20, 2006, 11:53:56 AM
absolutely

Thank you and welcome  :D