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Title: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Squadfather on November 06, 2006, 06:48:14 AM
look i have to be honest here i think that Ron was maybe using the weights he uses for quarter reps in his video clips for full reps when he was juicing but now that he's come off he's doing quarter reps, here's what i think he could handle now for full reps..........shoulder press 185 for 8, incline db press 90lb. db's for 8, barbell rows 205 for 8, deadlifts from the floor 315 for 6, still good weights, what do you guys think?


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's traing poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Pazuzu on November 06, 2006, 10:16:41 AM
QUARTER REPS? I think you need your eyes examined. More like 3/4 reps. Any doubters can watch the clips on YouTube, starting here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjxCNs2wIec


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!
Post by: The Squadfather on November 06, 2006, 11:03:35 AM
QUARTER REPS? I think you need your eyes examined. More like 3/4 reps. Any doubters can watch the clips on YouTube, starting here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjxCNs2wIec
ok maybe half reps but no way are those shoulder presses, inclines or deadlifts 3/4 reps.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!
Post by: kiwiol on November 06, 2006, 11:12:52 AM
ok maybe half reps but no way are those shoulder presses, inclines or deadlifts 3/4 reps.

I think the shoulder press video should say 225 x 6, cause 12 half reps = 6 reps(12 x 1/2 = 6). Apart from that small mistake, that video clip's pretty cool.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!
Post by: The Squadfather on November 06, 2006, 11:21:14 AM
I think the shoulder press video should say 225 x 6, cause 12 half reps = 6 reps(12 x 1/2 = 6). Apart from that small mistake, that video clip's pretty cool.
yeah Ron seems like a good guy he just needs to check his ego at the door and use weights he can handle.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Pazuzu on November 06, 2006, 01:08:36 PM
The videos are actually helping me a lot by making me see form errors I never would have noticed before.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Squadfather on November 06, 2006, 04:02:33 PM
bumperaumovich.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Pazuzu on November 06, 2006, 04:09:54 PM
Was that some weird reference to my mother's maiden name? (Michelovich)

Yes, half Russian. As if you couldn't tell by the Slavic features.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Squadfather on November 06, 2006, 04:15:27 PM
Was that some weird reference to my mother's maiden name? (Michelovich)

Yes, half Russian. As if you couldn't tell by the Slavic features.
no that's my patented bump technique, i always add a little bumperooni, bumperelli, etc.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Count Grishnackh on November 06, 2006, 06:25:48 PM
Well, you paid Dante 5 bills and he guarantees to change you into a muscle building, fat burning "blast furnace"    ::)

We want to see results, not hear that you can't make gains. He guarantees you make gains, if you are following his methods.

He also says 95% of his trainees are natural and he only takes on experienced lifters who have plateaued, so you should be making progress.

Maybe Dante will explain how you have failed on his program.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 06, 2006, 06:59:08 PM
here's what i think he could handle now for full reps..........shoulder press 185 for 8, incline db press 90lb. db's for 8, barbell rows 205 for 8, deadlifts from the floor 315 for 6, still good weights, what do you guys think?
Still good? LMAO @ 315 for 6 on the deads. That's piss poor pathetic. You'd think he deadlifted more considering his squat poundages.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: gordiano on November 06, 2006, 07:00:59 PM
no that's my patented bump technique, i always add a little bumperooni, bumperelli, etc.

Bumpus maximus

Bumpalicious

Big boooty bump


Bumpalaya


et cetera...


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: corinth on November 06, 2006, 07:07:13 PM
Well, you paid Dante 5 bills and he guarantees to change you into a muscle building, fat burning "blast furnace"    ::)

We want to see results, not hear that you can't make gains. He guarantees you make gains, if you are following his methods.

He also says 95% of his trainees are natural and he only takes on experienced lifters who have plateaued, so you should be making progress.

Maybe Dante will explain how you have failed on his program.

Good post Count......if the great Dante's methods aren't working for Ron then he needs to come clean. Dante makes such a big deal about only accepting the best clients, I think we should know more about those who fail. Ron is respected in this industry and if Dante's methods don't work it's Ron's responsibility to point that out and give his opinion on why they didn't work for him and what he believes the flaws are. Ron this is your chance. Tell us right here why DC isn't working for you and Dante can come here and defend his program.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: njflex on November 06, 2006, 07:12:23 PM
whatever his form it seem's to work for him.stimulation is the key and i'm sure he does some higher rep work with full form.he's a experienced lifter and earned all his gain's.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Count Grishnackh on November 06, 2006, 07:23:16 PM
You have an eye for the truth corinth. 

Ron already stated the truth. He could not make continous strength gains. He was NOT making progress, so he abandoned the program.

Or in Dante-speak, he failed to destroy the "log book".    ::)

There is no one that trains natural that has ever shown pics of any progress made by their $500 investment in his program. He only touts
Dave Henry and a couple of fat-ass powerlifters as his "examples".

He backed down on the challenge to train Mower or Power Rod and put quality size on them, because he can't control what they say.

TA failed on his program (Dante claims sour grapes).
Vince Goodrum got fat(ter) on his program.

I didn't know there were people left still buying his snake oil. Especially someone seasoned like Ron. He should've known better.

Ron, please tell us you were not rinsing off your hamburgers, doing shots of oil olive, or doing Dante's "bird stretches" to get bigger... :'(


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: brianX on November 06, 2006, 08:01:51 PM
255 lb smith machine presses with a 5" range of motion! You can't argue with results!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlOAI_lds8Y


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: alexxx on November 06, 2006, 08:04:18 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahaha

haha ha ha ha ha ha haha haha ha

Silly Ron tricks are for kids!



Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: BigAnt on November 06, 2006, 08:54:51 PM
Why the hate on Ron?  He admits it at times sometimes he uses a "little" swing when finishing the end of his set, all of his reps look good to me, and he is getting bigger & leaner...


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: tomr1976 on November 06, 2006, 09:13:11 PM
Why the hate on Ron?  He admits it at times sometimes he uses a "little" swing when finishing the end of his set, all of his reps look good to me, and he is getting bigger & leaner...

Ant, you have to remember that most of the cuts on Ron in this thread have been made by a 14 year old suicidal internet addict and his various gimmick accounts.  Unlike this skinny teenager, Ron has actually walked the walk.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: KTMckay on November 07, 2006, 12:47:08 AM
I dont imagine its too good for your shoulders to go much lower than what he does in that video he posted.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: ManBearPig... on November 07, 2006, 01:02:08 AM
monster shoulder pressing.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on November 07, 2006, 04:12:15 AM
You have an eye for the truth corinth. 

Ron already stated the truth. He could not make continous strength gains. He was NOT making progress, so he abandoned the program.

Or in Dante-speak, he failed to destroy the "log book".    ::)

There is no one that trains natural that has ever shown pics of any progress made by their $500 investment in his program. He only touts
Dave Henry and a couple of fat-ass powerlifters as his "examples".

He backed down on the challenge to train Mower or Power Rod and put quality size on them, because he can't control what they say.

TA failed on his program (Dante claims sour grapes).
Vince Goodrum got fat(ter) on his program.

I didn't know there were people left still buying his snake oil. Especially someone seasoned like Ron. He should've known better.

Ron, please tell us you were not rinsing off your hamburgers, doing shots of oil olive, or doing Dante's "bird stretches" to get bigger... :'(

I don't believe DC trained either one of these guys, he flat out refused TA and I don't think he ever trained vince.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: wes on November 07, 2006, 04:56:27 AM
Who cares about his poundages........he`s a good bodybuilder with a good physique,not a powerlifter!


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Squadfather on November 07, 2006, 06:24:34 AM
Who cares about his poundages........he`s a good bodybuilder with a good physique,not a powerlifter!
translation= you do quarter reps too and have very little muscle to show for it, now you can go back to mayhem where they'll kiss your ass.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: brianX on November 07, 2006, 07:07:56 AM
What's funny is that guys like Ron and Wes say that strength doesn't matter, yet you always see them doing half reps with weight they can't handle just to stroke their egos. If poundages didn't matter to them, they would use lighter weight and perform the lift correctly. Monster self-contradiction.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Squadfather on November 07, 2006, 07:09:46 AM
What's funny is that guys like Ron and Wes say that strength doesn't matter, yet you always see them doing half reps with weight they can't handle just to stroke their egos. If poundages didn't matter to them, they would use lighter weight and perform the lift correctly. Monster self-contradiction.
exactly, the funny thing is that Ron said in one of his posts that he only did the 315lb. "rows" beacuse he didn't want to look weak and that he though of anything less than 275 as "light".


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Pazuzu on November 07, 2006, 01:04:54 PM
I have already said that those barbell rows sucked. I took the clip off YouTube, and I took the exercise out of my program.

The weights don't matter RELATIVE TO WHAT OTHERS USE. That is, if I squat 300 pounds for 10 reps today and 400 pounds for 10 reps a year from now, I have made very good progress. It doesn't matter if some other guy squats 500 pounds for 10. 'Heavy' is a relative term. That's why you will hear that if you can't bench (choose one) 300, 400, 500, or 600 pounds, you ain't shit.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's traing poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Kegdrainer on November 07, 2006, 01:09:41 PM
QUARTER REPS? I think you need your eyes examined. More like 3/4 reps. Any doubters can watch the clips on YouTube, starting here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjxCNs2wIec

this is a great video of 1/2 rep incline presses.

seated means your ass touching the chair, and knees bent about 90 degrees.  Your feet should not be supporting your weight.

You barely touch your chin which is pointed in the air.  Your elbows barely make it to 90 degrees and the bar keeps slipping to your left side.  Monster form for shoulder presses bro.
you should switch to dumbells and go below the ear until you can manage to balance the weight properly, then go to the bar.

noob



Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: wes on November 07, 2006, 01:32:53 PM
sarcasm,post a pic or shutup son!

I train with complete reps, and as heavy as I can for the rep range I`m going for,I could care less if it meets someone elses standards as I am a bodybuilder and not trying to se a world record.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's traing poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: ToxicAvenger on November 07, 2006, 01:43:41 PM
QUARTER REPS? I think you need your eyes examined. More like 3/4 reps. Any doubters can watch the clips on YouTube, starting here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjxCNs2wIec


we sometimes laugh at people like that in my gym....


we have more respect for a dood going 135 without a bench shirt..


but to each his own...although i dont even see any girls watching... :-\


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Chico_Holiday on November 07, 2006, 01:51:06 PM
I give him credit for the hack squat clips.......good weight and full reps.  He's definitely got some upper/lower body strength (relatively speaking) imbalances, especially if he was using full reps on his upper body lifts.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: will938 on November 07, 2006, 01:59:19 PM
I really don't understand the hate for Ron??? He always seems like a good guy to me. Sarc, if you've really nothing better to do how about filming yourself and showing us what correct form and monster poundages really are ::)


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: oldtimer1 on November 07, 2006, 02:13:41 PM
That video shows why I ignore every poundage stated on any posting board.  I have been in enough gyms to see guys using partials so they can pump up their ego.  He couldn't get one rep with 225 if he went all the way down staying upright.  I'm sure he does the same thing with benches, inclines, leg press, and squats. 

Check your ego at the door and admit you can't handle big weights.  A guy that could really do 225 for 12 reps could do 350 for 12reps with that bs cheating half reps. 

One guy in my gym said he uses 350 for pulldowns.  I know he can't do 10 good chins so I couldn't wait to see it.  Here comes this guys back day.  He jerks the weight with his full body weight leaning back until his back is almost parralel to the ground.  Another delusional trainer.  On bench day all reps stopped 6 inchs off his chest.  He said he was protecting his rotator cuffs but I suspect he couldn't bench the weight for real. 


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 07, 2006, 02:35:19 PM
people have a really screwed up sense of how much extra weight you get out of "bad" form. you guys seem to think that taking about three inches off of the bottom of his shoulder press adds a hundred pounds and six reps to the set. the rows were poor, no doubt, same with the smith presses. the rest weren't that bad and it clearly works fine for him.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on November 07, 2006, 02:59:03 PM
considering he's natural and he's looking pretty big for a natural I don't see what the problem is.  If he's getting results using the form he's using it really doesn't matter...this is bodybuilding not weightliftingform101.  Could he benifit from improving his form?  I don't know, like I said it's working for him and that's really all that matters isn't it?


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Pazuzu on November 07, 2006, 03:14:40 PM
You can talk shit about my form on a lot of things, but not my leg exercises. I go to rock bottom on any type of pressing movement. Clearly, my lower body is a lot stronger in proportion to the upper. Ot's always been that way, even though I started training legs more than three years after I had been doing upper body.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Blockhead on November 07, 2006, 04:35:13 PM
You can talk shit about my form on a lot of things, but not my leg exercises. I go to rock bottom on any type of pressing movement. Clearly, my lower body is a lot stronger in proportion to the upper. Ot's always been that way, even though I started training legs more than three years after I had been doing upper body.
Ron,

 Post a typical leg workout. Sets, reps, weights used etc...Not a video just type it up.

 How's that book comming?


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Matt C on November 07, 2006, 05:28:48 PM
sz


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Debussey on November 07, 2006, 05:34:24 PM
Just a couple of points:

Ron has always had a humble attitude so I don't see any need to hate, even if his form was a bit off on a few exercises.  Also, I don't think his form was bad at all on the seated military presses.  If you go much lower there parallel you increase the chances of rotator cuff injuries.  Ron is first and foremost a writer, and secondly a bodybuilder.  He isn't a powerlifter, so his strengh or even his form for that matter isn't all that relevant.  If you should judge him on one thing it should be his writing which is always first class.  As for his strength, some of the claims above may be close, but I disagree on the deadlift claim.  I could probably do 315 for around 14 reps, so I'm pretty sure Ron would be able to get at least that.  My deadlift max is not great, but not that weak either, and Ron has a good 20-30 pounds on me at the same height.

Max C, always on the point.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103042.0;attach=113243;image)


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on November 07, 2006, 05:35:33 PM
Max C, always on the point.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103042.0;attach=113243;image)

shut up natural al, quit using that gimmick account!!!


**I just wanted to be one of the hundreds of people accused of being debussy****


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Debussey on November 07, 2006, 05:51:46 PM
shut up natural al, quit using that gimmick account!!!


**I just wanted to be one of the hundreds of people accused of being debussy****

This is the 27th member being tied to Debussey.

Debussey is neither Rocket, Jaejonna, Jeff Miller, LSD guy, Corinth, BigKev, MikeOxbig, Yaroni, natural al,  Fl÷wer, Davidpaul, Ski, BelieverinHit, Chad Mover, BrianX, Goatboy, Geo, Slippy, Jimmy, Tomr76, Tredders, 240, Adam Adonix Abeles, Bastiano Bast Insana, Blockhead, Juni, BSB or anybody else.

Debussey = Debussey.


The great one:
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Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on November 07, 2006, 06:14:32 PM
This is the 27th member being tied to Debussey.

Debussey is neither Rocket, Jaejonna, Jeff Miller, LSD guy, Corinth, BigKev, MikeOxbig, Yaroni, natural al,  Fl÷wer, Davidpaul, Ski, BelieverinHit, Chad Mover, BrianX, Goatboy, Geo, Slippy, Jimmy, Tomr76, Tredders, 240, Adam Adonix Abeles, Bastiano Bast Insana, Blockhead, Juni, BSB or anybody else.

Debussey = Debussey.


The great one:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103042.0;attach=113243;image)

yes!!  I made the list, my day is complete.  Thank you Debussy....I don't know if your a gimmick or not but I think you're actually pretty funny.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Pazuzu on November 07, 2006, 06:17:33 PM
Okay Blockhead, typical leg workout these days. You need to have at least a basic understanding of DC Training to understand it, otherwise you would think I am doing too many reps on some exercises. Rest-pause sets are done in 3 'rounds' with 15 breaths taken between rounds 1 and 2.

Calf raise on leg press 510 pounds x 10 reps
(regular positive, 6-second negative, hold stretch for 15 seconds)

Seated leg curl 180 x 24 rest-pause reps

Ham stretch - stiff-leg deadlift with 145 - 6 sec negative, 10-sec hold at bottom of each rep - 10 reps

Adductor - 230 x 25 rp reps

Hack squat - warm-up, then one set of 5 45's and a 10 each side for 12 reps

Nautilus X-pload plate-loading leg press - 585 x 30 reps

quad stretch - lower into deep stretch as in bottom of sissy squat, hold for 60-90 seconds


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Debussey on November 07, 2006, 06:27:40 PM
B = (SD(Ri) x p(Ri,Rm))/SD(Rm)


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Delusional Liberal on November 07, 2006, 06:31:44 PM
The videos are actually helping me a lot by making me see form errors I never would have noticed before.
you needed a video, after 10+ years of training to correct your form?   usually doesnt take over ten years to learn how to lift with correct form.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's traing poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Bossa on November 07, 2006, 07:36:52 PM
this is a great video of 1/2 rep incline presses.

seated means your ass touching the chair, and knees bent about 90 degrees.  Your feet should not be supporting your weight.

You barely touch your chin which is pointed in the air.  Your elbows barely make it to 90 degrees and the bar keeps slipping to your left side.  Monster form for shoulder presses bro.
you should switch to dumbells and go below the ear until you can manage to balance the weight properly, then go to the bar.

noob



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Brutal unsolicited advice from the getbig member least qualified to HAHAHAHAHAHA


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's traing poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Debussey on November 07, 2006, 07:37:23 PM
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Brutal unsolicited advice from the getbig member least qualified to HAHAHAHAHAHA

Pyle does 550 squats


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on November 08, 2006, 06:09:16 AM
Okay Blockhead, typical leg workout these days. You need to have at least a basic understanding of DC Training to understand it, otherwise you would think I am doing too many reps on some exercises. Rest-pause sets are done in 3 'rounds' with 15 breaths taken between rounds 1 and 2.

Calf raise on leg press 510 pounds x 10 reps
(regular positive, 6-second negative, hold stretch for 15 seconds)

Seated leg curl 180 x 24 rest-pause reps

Ham stretch - stiff-leg deadlift with 145 - 6 sec negative, 10-sec hold at bottom of each rep - 10 reps

Adductor - 230 x 25 rp reps

Hack squat - warm-up, then one set of 5 45's and a 10 each side for 12 reps

Nautilus X-pload plate-loading leg press - 585 x 30 reps

quad stretch - lower into deep stretch as in bottom of sissy squat, hold for 60-90 seconds

just a note:  this looks like something DC worked out for an advanced lifter.  Usually it's a little more basic, you'd do calf's as describe-usually the rep range is a little higher.  Nothing wrong with the hamstring work although the extreme stretch is a little different than what is desscribed here.  Legs are good, one heavy set of 6-10 followed by a "widowmaker" or heavy high rep set and an extreme stretch.  I don't know for sure but usually a very advanced guy gets put on the abductor machines, I don't have pics in front of me but I think DC used this with Dave Henry to "fill out" his inner thighs and he was very happy with the results.  I've never tried them so I can't comment on how effective they are or are not.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Pazuzu on November 08, 2006, 10:25:53 AM
Correct, Al. That's why Dante doesn't feel comfortable with me posting my workouts. They were specifically created for me with my needs and background in mind. For a beginner to copy what I do now would not be good. I also train 4 days a week instead of 3 as he has most people do.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on November 08, 2006, 10:48:53 AM
Correct, Al. That's why Dante doesn't feel comfortable with me posting my workouts. They were specifically created for me with my needs and background in mind. For a beginner to copy what I do now would not be good. I also train 4 days a week instead of 3 as he has most people do.

I just started the 4 day a week split to bring up a lagging bodypart, I really like it but It's pretty important for beginners in this program to start off with the 3 day a week split.  I'm not trained by Dante but I asked him a question about bringing up a bodypart and he told me what he'd like to see me start to do, I tried it and I felt like I was gonna explode.  I'm only a week in so I don't know what the results are gonna be in the end but if the first couple of workouts are any indication I should be doing just fine in a few months.  Not many people think of using the abductor machines...I've never touched them but DC seems to get good results with the guys he has use them, interesting. 


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Blockhead on November 08, 2006, 10:53:18 AM

 Ron, natural-al...thanks for the info. I do understand DC a little bit. I talk to someone Mr.Dante trains or has given advice to and he lets me pick his brain. So intense stretching of the muscles is required? Weird cuz Arthur Jones and Mike Mentzer spoke AGAINST stretching.

 Does it have to do with the muscle fascia?

 Ron...you would concur with the me saying that even with DC style of training...the legs need more overall reps and volume, correct?

 


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on November 08, 2006, 11:12:21 AM
Ron, natural-al...thanks for the info. I do understand DC a little bit. I talk to someone Mr.Dante trains or has given advice to and he lets me pick his brain. So intense stretching of the muscles is required? Weird cuz Arthur Jones and Mike Mentzer spoke AGAINST stretching.

 Does it have to do with the muscle fascia?

 Ron...you would concur with the me saying that even with DC style of training...the legs need more overall reps and volume, correct?

 

DC recommends "extreme stretching" after every body part, the concept is the same as what john parillo was talking about a few years back but the ones DC uses are more "user friendly".  There is a good thread about them over at IM, it covers how to do them with pics and a pretty good explanation.  Some of the stuff Parillo had you do was good but some of it was...well, painful.  Remember "skin the cat"?  If I tried to do that now I'd rip both shoulders out of thier sockets and be out of action for weeks.  yes the stretching does stretch the fascia and it also improves recovery.

I won't speak for Ron but I do believe legs require more work than most other BP's, I'm talking quads here.  The standard protocol is to do one "really heavy" set of 4-8 reps-maybe a little higher rep range but the thing is you keep on working at increasing the weight on this set.  Then you'll do a high rep "widowmaker', these are still heavy and can be real ball busters, depending on how much you want to put into them.  I've gone up to 50 reps for my widowmaker and it was brutal.  Right now I'm experimenting with one super heavy set of 20 reps for all quad movements, I did this in the begining and had good results, I switched to the heavy set-widowmaker version but I don't think it worked as well for me. 


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Blockhead on November 08, 2006, 11:29:27 AM
 

 Thanks...

  I'm following it. I'm training legs tonite so I like to expierement a little. I'm gonna try a 'widow maker' set tonite. I think I know the concept. Also...I'm going to incorporate some really good stretching. I figure it can't hurt add 5-10 minutes of moderate stretching before the workout and another 5-10 of stretching in a more intense manner afterwards.

 As of late...I been using the leg press BEFORE squats when I used to do the opposite. It causes me NOT to be able to go more than 405 but that's fine...I don't like going under 8-10 reps for squats any since I have an inguinal hernia and feel a throbbing 'thumping' pain when I try to go in the 495 range for 4-5.
 reps.

 One more thing, natural-al...or Ron. With barbell squats...regular squats or front squats? High rep(10-20) or low but super heavy(4-6reps)? Which do you prefer as DC trainers?


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on November 08, 2006, 11:43:50 AM
I can't do barbell squats, my low back is trashed.  I don't want to go see a doctor cause I'm thinking surgery is gonna happen.  I like to do my squats using a smith machine, back straight, legs out in front of the body and knee's close together, once I start rounding my back I'm done.  I've also used the hammer v-squat, which is basically a verticle hack squat.

if you can squat, I'd do them first, heavy for 6-10 reps, then if you still feel comfortable do your 20 rep widowmakeer using the BB squat also, if you can handle it start with 315 for 20 and go from there.  I used the legpress for my WM set just to save my back.  Since you're just getting your feet wet go with some light stretching but I'd look into the DC stretching after you get comfortable with what your doing.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on November 08, 2006, 11:50:50 AM
hahahaha, more excuses not to squat, how original. ::)

what's your point?  What does it matter to you?  Let's see I could be a 'tough" guy and squat and walk around in pain for days on end or I could avoid them and do other things.  What's so hard to understand...oh, yeah you're only 14 years old so it might be hard for you to grasp the concept.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on November 08, 2006, 11:57:29 AM
tell your mom not to burn my dinner anymore.

ok squadfather ::) ::) ::)

tell your mom to make sure she has an enema next time she wants me to poke her in the ass, it was a little "messy" last time...especially since she was begging for a little ATM....your mom's a freak.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on November 08, 2006, 12:01:34 PM
i know, i've got to discuss that with her, you're still a pusssy though.

that's fine.  Everybody is a pussy on the net and everybody thinks thier superman while they're posting.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Pazuzu on November 08, 2006, 02:41:56 PM
While I was 'cruising' for 2 weeks and not doing DC, I did this for quads and they were so sore that climbing even a couple steps was agony for 4 days, and they were still a little sore 6 days later.

Squat 225 x 20 rock bottom reps, rest three minutes, 225 x 20, rest three minutes, 225 x 20.

Rest about five minutes and then did walking lunges with 100 pound bar, about twenty-five steps each leg, rest three minutes, did it again,

Did lying leg curls and stiff-leg deadlifts too, but it was those two exercises that put a hurting on my quads for almost a week.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Squadfather on November 08, 2006, 02:49:36 PM
that's fine.  Everybody is a pussy on the net and everybody thinks thier superman while they're posting.
hahahaha, this coming from a 5'7" 200lb. beast!!!!!!


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: El_Spiko on November 08, 2006, 02:55:05 PM
hahahaha, this coming from a 5'7" 200lb. beast!!!!!!
hahahaha, this coming from a 14 year old 120lb. beast!!!!!!


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Squadfather on November 08, 2006, 02:56:49 PM
hahahaha, this coming from a 14 year old 120lb. beast!!!!!!
i'm only 113. :-*


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: efirkey on November 08, 2006, 03:04:37 PM
the pro bodybuilders who I have seen do shoulder presses don't have a bigger range of motion than Ron.  It's probably easier on the shoulder ligaments not to go down all the way with heavy poundage.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Squadfather on November 08, 2006, 03:05:26 PM
the pro bodybuilders who I have seen do shoulder presses don't have a bigger range of motion than Ron.  It's probably easier on the shoulder ligaments not to go down all the way with heavy poundage.
or maybe they don't have the strength to do full reps.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on November 08, 2006, 03:46:36 PM
hahahaha, this coming from a 5'7" 200lb. beast!!!!!!

ok, sarca......oh, yeah that name got the old boot didn't it?  Ok, squadfather ::) ::)

again, what's your point?  Should I have lied and said I was 5'10" and 230?  I was honest about my size, I'm actually about 208 right now.  I've got nothing to hide and nothing to lie about, if I hadn't had such a shitty run for the last 2 years maybe I'd be bigger but it did happen and that's what I weigh right now, I never said I was a beast.  Really you're reaching with these posts.....they just don't have the same effect they used to, you need some new material.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Cold on November 08, 2006, 04:31:53 PM
u guys are a bunch of keyboard thugs who probably look like shyt and are all talk. i don't see nothing wrong with his smith press form. a lot of people cannot go lower becuz it hurts their shoulders.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on November 08, 2006, 04:54:02 PM
u guys are a bunch of keyboard thugs who probably look like shyt and are all talk. i don't see nothing wrong with his smith press form. a lot of people cannot go lower becuz it hurts their shoulders.

everybody is a critic on this site, you can post any vid of anybody working out and 100 people are gonna come out and rip him for something, that's just the way it is.  Like I said before it's "bodybuilding" not "strict form at all costs and even if you use strict form you have to lift ultraheavy or your a pussy"


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Pazuzu on November 08, 2006, 04:57:16 PM
I can't even think of anybody that lifts super-heavy in strict form with a full range of motion.

The closest I can think of right now is Dante's latest star, Jason Wojo, who has a thread with clips on Mayhem.

And if you want to come on here and say that you do some crazy weight with perfect form, you need to post a clip or else your claim means jack shit.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Pazuzu on November 08, 2006, 05:05:37 PM
Here's a clip of Jason Wojo, weighing 245, doing very full range of motion on the Hammer Strength behind neck shoulder press machine with three 45's on each side. My own set with this weight definitely didn't go down as low on the reps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpn7lbHo4L0


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on November 09, 2006, 05:54:48 AM
Here's a clip of Jason Wojo, weighing 245, doing very full range of motion on the Hammer Strength behind neck shoulder press machine with three 45's on each side. My own set with this weight definitely didn't go down as low on the reps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpn7lbHo4L0
very nice.  I think there's a clip of him inclining on the smith machine with 4 or 5 45's a side for a ton of reps with excellent form, dude's a beast.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Pazuzu on November 09, 2006, 05:58:52 AM
Yeah, he is a beast, but he could do 6 plates a side with strict form on the Smith machine and someone would post "hahahahahah i bet he can't handle 135 on the real barbell bench press with good form hahahahaha"

And if he did do 405 flat bench for good reps, you would hear "hahahahah all drugs hahahahahahaha."
or perhaps
"hahahahahah fake plates hahahahaha"

No way to win. No matter how great an accomplishment, some jealous person will always look for a way to tear it down."



Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on November 09, 2006, 06:04:33 AM
Ron, you've finally figured this place out, it's best to just not try to argue with guys here.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Squadfather on November 09, 2006, 07:01:43 AM
Yeah, he is a beast, but he could do 6 plates a side with strict form on the Smith machine and someone would post "hahahahahah i bet he can't handle 135 on the real barbell bench press with good form hahahahaha"

And if he did do 405 flat bench for good reps, you would hear "hahahahah all drugs hahahahahahaha."
or perhaps
"hahahahahah fake plates hahahahaha"

No way to win. No matter how great an accomplishment, some jealous person will always look for a way to tear it down."


no, i'll admit that he's strong but you're weak.


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on November 09, 2006, 07:14:01 AM
no, i'll admit that he's strong but you're weak.

ok squadfather ::) ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: ricosauve on November 09, 2006, 07:41:20 AM
Correct, Al. That's why Dante doesn't feel comfortable with me posting my workouts. They were specifically created for me with my needs and background in mind. For a beginner to copy what I do now would not be good. I also train 4 days a week instead of 3 as he has most people do.
hey bud i think you are looking good , keep up the ood work , and as long as you getting bigger and better who cares


Title: Re: My theory on "huge" Ron Harris aka Pazuzu's training poundages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: natural al on November 09, 2006, 08:04:32 AM
hey bud i think you are looking good , keep up the ood work , and as long as you getting bigger and better who cares
exactly.