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Most of us have seen the episode of "Real Sports" where MD's John Romano touts the positive benefits of responsible AAS use, as well as the unreasonable hoopla that society has created surrounding them. So I ask, now what? How is it that a piece of reporting, done on a seemingly credible news/entertainment show, hasn't spurred on further debate in the media? Why has this not led to further reporting, questioning the legitimacy of steroids, as well as the claims made by the pro-AAS individuals on the show? After all, this always happens for other "hot" topics...even if the topic reported on goes against the majority of society’s beliefs, the media does not seem to shy away from further discussion.
For instance, take the issue of Gay marriage. Regardless of what “you” believe to be “right” the majority of Americans seemingly support initiatives opposing a law that would in their eyes disgrace the institution of marriage. Whether or not you as an individual agree with the said disgrace is not the point. Rather, it’s the fact that it is still discussed in such a vibrant manner. The point being, most polls across “middle-America” show an over whelming support for a bill or amendments that oppose gay marriage, yet the media seems content to sway public opinion in another direction. So once again, we are left with the media ignoring the public voice, and if you believe this does not affect the way your representative votes…think again.
Now it is obvious, even to the most uneducated of us, comparing the 2 issues discussed does not in any way go hand in hand. But it’s not the issues themselves or the debate that is troubling, but rather the manner in which such debate takes place, or the lack there of…so back to the marriage issue.
As most of the reporting seemingly supports the rights of gay individuals to share the same titles as heterosexual couples, even against the wishes of the majority, the support in the media does not falter. Now, put a spin on the matter, if one credible media outlet, if one credible reporter, who was well known and respected across the board took a different approach to the issue, do you believe that such an instance would not create further discussions, as well as spur on a more balanced debate? Well that’s what has happened and that’s what was done on this airing of “Real Sports.” A show hosted by a well known host, Bryant Gumbel, a report done by a well known reporter, Armen Keteyian, who from his own lips admitted that he had possibly inaccurately labeled steroids in his own past reporting, and based on this new insight, provided by his own reporting, further discussion should be had.
Romano spoke a phrase during his interview with “Real Sports” that has become a favorite of mine, as well as many who feel strongly about the issue…this phrase is often repeated on various message boards across cyber-space, “Show me the bodies, where are the bodies?” So now I ask, show me the debate, show me unbiased discussion, show me a legitimate rebuttal to the reporting done on “Real Sports”! It would make my day if the self proclaimed king of no spin read this short article. If by some miracle of God you read this Mr. O’Reilly, do the argument justice once and for all…or perhaps “fair and balanced” is just wishful thinking.
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Here's a body...........he's living in zombie form, for now.....
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WTF??????
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Wrong board as always. ::)
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Wrong board as always. ::)
Wrong board? How so? JR asked for 500 words on any topic related to BB, any topic. Since this is an opinion piece it seems fitting here.
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that was actually 574 words- dipshit lol
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If this is some kind of op-ed, you've got to clearly state what you are talking about. It started out fuzzy and then I lost interest. Not surprising people are saying WTF? Hit'em hard with your idea/thesis at the beginning, extrapolate on it for a paragraph or two with lots of examples, and then hit'em hard again at the conclusion with thesis + some thoughts/direction for future. :)
/punctuation needs work, too.
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Most of us have seen the episode of "Real Sports" where MD's John Romano touts the positive benefits of responsible AAS use, as well as the unreasonable hoopla that society has created surrounding them. So I ask, now what? How is it that a piece of reporting, done on a seemingly credible news/entertainment show, hasn't spurred on further debate in the media? Why has this not led to further reporting, questioning the legitimacy of steroids, as well as the claims made by the pro-AAS individuals on the show? After all, this always happens for other "hot" topics...even if the topic reported on goes against the majority of society’s beliefs, the media does not seem to shy away from further discussion.
For instance, take the issue of Gay marriage. Regardless of what “you” believe to be “right” the majority of Americans seemingly support initiatives opposing a law that would in their eyes disgrace the institution of marriage. Whether or not you as an individual agree with the said disgrace is not the point. Rather, it’s the fact that it is still discussed in such a vibrant manner. The point being, most polls across “middle-America” show an over whelming support for a bill or amendments that oppose gay marriage, yet the media seems content to sway public opinion in another direction. So once again, we are left with the media ignoring the public voice, and if you believe this does not affect the way your representative votes…think again.
Now it is obvious, even to the most uneducated of us, comparing the 2 issues discussed does not in any way go hand in hand. But it’s not the issues themselves or the debate that is troubling, but rather the manner in which such debate takes place, or the lack there of…so back to the marriage issue.
As most of the reporting seemingly supports the rights of gay individuals to share the same titles as heterosexual couples, even against the wishes of the majority, the support in the media does not falter. Now, put a spin on the matter, if one credible media outlet, if one credible reporter, who was well known and respected across the board took a different approach to the issue, do you believe that such an instance would not create further discussions, as well as spur on a more balanced debate? Well that’s what has happened and that’s what was done on this airing of “Real Sports.” A show hosted by a well known host, Bryant Gumbel, a report done by a well known reporter, Armen Keteyian, who from his own lips admitted that he had possibly inaccurately labeled steroids in his own past reporting, and based on this new insight, provided by his own reporting, further discussion should be had.
Romano spoke a phrase during his interview with “Real Sports” that has become a favorite of mine, as well as many who feel strongly about the issue…this phrase is often repeated on various message boards across cyber-space, “Show me the bodies, where are the bodies?” So now I ask, show me the debate, show me unbiased discussion, show me a legitimate rebuttal to the reporting done on “Real Sports”! It would make my day if the self proclaimed king of no spin read this short article. If by some miracle of God you read this Mr. O’Reilly, do the argument justice once and for all…or perhaps “fair and balanced” is just wishful thinking.
The mainstream media, in their neverending quest to fill airtime, is what created the anti-steroid monster in the first place! Why would they be the one to slay it?
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that was actually 574 words- dipshit lol
When someone ask for 500 words that is a guideline, not an exact requirement. It means 500 give or take a little.
If this is some kind of op-ed, you've got to clearly state what you are talking about. It started out fuzzy and then I lost interest. Not surprising people are saying WTF? Hit'em hard with your idea/thesis at the beginning, extrapolate on it for a paragraph or two with lots of examples, and then hit'em hard again at the conclusion with thesis + some thoughts/direction for future. :)
/punctuation needs work, too.
I understand what you are saying, but this was written with the assumption that most who read it have seen the news piece I mentioned...most readers of MD have seen this piece. If you haven't seen it, then yes, you might be a little lost. But like I said, it was written for a particular audience.
As far as my punctuation, go ahead, bust me all you want...I won't deny that I let things slip all the time.
The mainstream media, in their neverending quest to fill airtime, is what created the anti-steroid monster in the first place! Why would they be the one to slay it?
I think you're missing the point. It was a small part of the main stream media that aired this piece of news, that's what causes or should cause the scenario IMO.
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Regardless of the confusing post starting this thread, the real problem with John Romano’s comments on a segment of HBO’s Real Sports regarding the steroid issue in BB is that few, if any, BBers take steroids “under medical supervision” (are you fu’kin' kidding!??).
Sure, in theory, if one juiced (uhhh…but, what about all of the other doping in the BBers stack…amphetamines, diuretics, thyroid, insulin, GH, etc.?) under strict medical supervision with close monitoring of blood chemistry profiles, blood pressure, heart rate, and other key health parameters, then theoretically what John Romano said is apparently true.
But, having been BB for over 5 decades and observing the scene over that time I know for a fact (and surely you do as well) that practically every BBer/Olympic weightlifter/Powerlifter I know/knew personally, or observed, or heard about, NEVER juiced (or took other BB drugs) under ANY medical supervision, whatsoever! Rather, they either developed their own drug regimen, followed the advice in some book on the subject, or the advice of the local gym’s drug “guru/pusher”, or the advice of some friend or gym BBer they admired, etc.
Now, I am defining a BBer as anyone who weight-trains to improve their physical appearance and strength. What is so crazy/stupid/ignorant about the typical juiced BBer is that he/she is only a recreational BBer who is so impatient to “get huge/ripped/muscular” that he/she indiscriminately mixes all sorts of arguably dangerous drugs over long periods of time without any medical knowledge, or medical monitoring, of their harmful combinations and side effects. Also, the source/quality/safety of these drugs (many illegal) is highly questionable! Talk about not playing with a full deck!! But then, you only have to look at the moronic, immature, nature of many of the posts on this forum to realize that there many participants in BB who are clearly not playing with a full deck!
We all know that the most closely guarded secret in both competitive amateur and pro. BB/fitness/figure competition is preventing the revelation of what drug stacks these competitors are on. Also, the nature/method of the competition testing for these BB drugs is a ridiculous joke (if at all!) when compared to the highly sophisticated and frequent random testing carried out by the International Weightlifting Federation (IWF), which closely monitors Olympic weightlifters, worldwide, for doping, with severe penalties for testing positive.
Of course, if there were a full disclosure of medical histories, health problems, and deaths, of BB drug/doping users and whether these users actually took these BB drugs under medical supervision, maybe then we could begin to uncover the iceberg which has been for nearly 5 decades “bodybuilding’s dirty little secret”!
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Regardless of the confusing post starting this thread, the real problem with John Romano’s comments on a segment of HBO’s Real Sports regarding the steriod issue in BB is that few, if any, BBers take steroids “under medical supervision” (are you fu’kin kidding!??).
Sure, in theory if one juiced (uhhh…but, what about all of the other doping in the BBers stack…amphetamines, diruetics, thyroid, insulin, GH, etc.?) under strict medical supervision with close monitoring of blood chemistry profiles, blood pressure, heart rate, and other key health parameters, then theoretically what John Romano said is apparently true.
But, having been BB for over 5 decades and observing the scene over that time I know for a fact (and surely you do as well) that practically every BBer/Olympic weightlifter/Powerlifter I know/knew personally, or observed, or heard about, NEVER juiced (or took other BB drugs) under ANY medical supervision, whatsoever! Rather, they either developed their own drug regimen, followed the advice in some book on the subject, or the advice of the local gym’s drug “guru/pusher”, or the advice of some friend or gym BB that they admired,etc.
Now, I am defining a BBer as anyone who weight-trains to improve their physical appearance and strength. What is so crazy/stupid/ignorant about the typical juiced BBer is that he/she is only a recreational BB who is so impatient to “get huge/ripped/muscular” that he/she indiscriminately mixes all sorts of arguably dangerous drugs over long periods of time without any medical knowledge, or medical monitoring, of their harmful combinations and side effects. Also, the source/quality/safety of these drugs (many illegal) is highly questionable! Talk about not playing with a full deck!! But, then you only have to look at the moronic, immature, nature of many of the posts on this forum to realize that there many participants in BB who are clearly not playing with a full deck!
We all know that the most closely guarded secret in both competitive amateur and pro. BB/fitness/figure competition is preventing the revelation of what drug stacks these competitors are on. Also, the nature/method of the competition testing for these BB drugs is a ridiculous joke (if at all!) when compared to the highly sophisticated and frequent random testing carried out by the International Weightlifting Federation (IWF) which closely monitors Olympic weightlifters, worldwide, for doping, with severe penalties for testing positive.
Of course, if there were a full disclosure of medical histories, health problems, and deaths, of BB drug/doping users and whether these users actually took these BB drugs under medical supervision, maybe then we could begin to uncover the iceberg which has been for nearly 5 decades “bodybuilding’s dirty little secret”!
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Regardless of the confusing post starting this thread, the real problem with John Romano’s comments on a segment of HBO’s Real Sports regarding the steroid issue in BB is that few, if any, BBers take steroids “under medical supervision” (are you fu’kin' kidding!??).
Sure, in theory, if one juiced (uhhh…but, what about all of the other doping in the BBers stack…amphetamines, diuretics, thyroid, insulin, GH, etc.?) under strict medical supervision with close monitoring of blood chemistry profiles, blood pressure, heart rate, and other key health parameters, then theoretically what John Romano said is apparently true.
But, having been BB for over 5 decades and observing the scene over that time I know for a fact (and surely you do as well) that practically every BBer/Olympic weightlifter/Powerlifter I know/knew personally, or observed, or heard about, NEVER juiced (or took other BB drugs) under ANY medical supervision, whatsoever! Rather, they either developed their own drug regimen, followed the advice in some book on the subject, or the advice of the local gym’s drug “guru/pusher”, or the advice of some friend or gym BBer they admired, etc.
Now, I am defining a BBer as anyone who weight-trains to improve their physical appearance and strength. What is so crazy/stupid/ignorant about the typical juiced BBer is that he/she is only a recreational BBer who is so impatient to “get huge/ripped/muscular” that he/she indiscriminately mixes all sorts of arguably dangerous drugs over long periods of time without any medical knowledge, or medical monitoring, of their harmful combinations and side effects. Also, the source/quality/safety of these drugs (many illegal) is highly questionable! Talk about not playing with a full deck!! But then, you only have to look at the moronic, immature, nature of many of the posts on this forum to realize that there many participants in BB who are clearly not playing with a full deck!
We all know that the most closely guarded secret in both competitive amateur and pro. BB/fitness/figure competition is preventing the revelation of what drug stacks these competitors are on. Also, the nature/method of the competition testing for these BB drugs is a ridiculous joke (if at all!) when compared to the highly sophisticated and frequent random testing carried out by the International Weightlifting Federation (IWF), which closely monitors Olympic weightlifters, worldwide, for doping, with severe penalties for testing positive.
Of course, if there were a full disclosure of medical histories, health problems, and deaths, of BB drug/doping users and whether these users actually took these BB drugs under medical supervision, maybe then we could begin to uncover the iceberg which has been for nearly 5 decades “bodybuilding’s dirty little secret”!
I understand what you're saying, and there is a lot of truth to it..but that is outside the argument. The argument made in this interview was for use, not abuse, by healthy adult males, that's it.
The argument never claimed that steroids should be legal, that certain sports org's should make them legal, both of those topics are completely different arguments. The whole point of the interviews done was, as mentioned in the news story, to bring the pendulum a little closer to center.
The whole point of my little "500 words" was simply to ask how or why this did not spark further stories done on the subject, sone so in an unbiased manner. I understand that there are more important issues then this one, far more important, but when our own government has so adamantly and publicly made it a priority, legitimate arguments should be made more often. After all, the interviews/story points out that several of our own government health org's opposed the steroid ban, and one goes as far to say that there is no direct factual evidence that steroid use (use, not abuse) leads to serious health risk. Both of those things should have raised a lot of questions once they were made apparent.
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I understand what you're saying, and there is a lot of truth to it..but that is outside the argument. The argument made in this interview was for use, not abuse, by healthy adult males, that's it.
The argument never claimed that steroids should be legal, that certain sports org's should make them legal, both of those topics are completely different arguments. The whole point of the interviews done was, as mentioned in the news story, to bring the pendulum a little closer to center.
The whole point of my little "500 words" was simply to ask how or why this did not spark further stories done on the subject, sone so in an unbiased manner. I understand that there are more important issues then this one, far more important, but when our own government has so adamantly and publicly made it a priority, legitimate arguments should be made more often. After all, the interviews/story points out that several of our own government health org's opposed the steroid ban, and one goes as far to say that there is no direct factual evidence that steroid use (use, not abuse) leads to serious health risk. Both of those things should have raised a lot of questions once they were made apparent.
This then, should be your [tight] thesis. You could then discuss the hypocrisy therein, not unlike the gov'ts' battle against de-criminalising marijuana. A one-two punch, if you will.
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that was actually 574 words- dipshit lol
you counted :-\ :(
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here's one...bigger legs than some dudes..
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here's one...bigger legs than some dudes..
fuckin awesome chick..post some more pics this sexy babe and yeah whats her name too...