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Title: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on November 16, 2006, 03:52:20 PM
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Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 16, 2006, 04:18:38 PM
LOL... More confirmation...  I can't help but notice Rush also, in the same time period, had the same spin as delivered here by Mr. Intenseone... Well Well Well... We have state ran media, and state ran assholes... YIPPIE!!!!  :D


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 16, 2006, 04:28:00 PM
240, this is probably why you shouldn't put 4 hours into fox news per day... Sure pick a variety of media sources, but when the news channel makes the news for the day before the day, it's not news.  It's entertainment, no different than The Daily Show only the Daily show is upfront that they are fake news.


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: 24KT on November 16, 2006, 04:32:46 PM
LOL... More confirmation...  I can't help but notice Rush also, in the same time period, had the same spin as delivered here by Mr. Intenseone... Well Well Well... We have state ran media, and state ran assholes... YIPPIE!!!!  :D

And when some NOT subjected to the constant barage of false propaganda, who has access to a variety of news sources, tells you that information is false, they are accused of bashing America.  ::)


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on November 16, 2006, 04:35:03 PM
and state ran assholes... YIPPIE!!!!  :D

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Puller on November 16, 2006, 04:48:46 PM
I didn't see any fake news. I saw them putting a slant onthe news as every other news station and show does. If they spoke in a monotone voice reading just facts noone would watch. THey stated the Dems took house (fact), We are waitin to see their plan for Iraq (fact)...where did they make something up?


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Dos Equis on November 16, 2006, 05:28:30 PM
I didn't see any fake news. I saw them putting a slant onthe news as every other news station and show does. If they spoke in a monotone voice reading just facts noone would watch. THey stated the Dems took house (fact), We are waitin to see their plan for Iraq (fact)...where did they make something up?

I agree.  Where is the "smoking gun"?  Fox News has a conservative bias.  Who knew?

"What is the Dems plans for Iraq"?  Legit question.  Big deal. 


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Colossus_500 on November 16, 2006, 05:34:49 PM
And when some NOT subjected to the constant barage of false propaganda, who has access to a variety of news sources, tells you that information is false, they are accused of bashing America.  ::)
::)


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Hedgehog on November 16, 2006, 06:23:33 PM
It's in the work description of Journalists to try to stay objective.

What Fox News is doing is wrong. They are spinning the events to fit a certain agenda.

They not only do that, they also call themselves "Fair and Balanced".

The media is often called the fourth legal branch, and one of the most important functions of the media, is to critically look into the actions of the three other branches.

It gets wrecked if one of the biggest News stations, one of the major gatekeepers of news, decides to function as a propaganda machine instead of asking the questions.

Fox News isn't doing its job, and the credibility of the station is getting lower. Even the viewers of Fox News are aware that there is a bias, but accepts it, sometimes because they think they share similar values.

What happens when Fox News change their agenda? Will they be able to brainwash all these Republican supporters into moderate Democrats? Who knows.

It doesn't matter. Fox News is filth, regardless of which party or whos agenda it supports.

YIP
Zack


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on November 16, 2006, 06:29:02 PM
It didn't say fake, it said false.

false adjective, fals‧er, fals‧est, adverb
–adjective

4.   tending to deceive or mislead; deceptive: a false impression.


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on November 16, 2006, 06:29:34 PM
It's in the work description of Journalists to try to stay objective.

What Fox News is doing is wrong. They are spinning the events to fit a certain agenda.

They not only do that, they also call themselves "Fair and Balanced".

The media is often called the fourth legal branch, and one of the most important functions of the media, is to critically look into the actions of the three other branches.

It gets wrecked if one of the biggest News stations, one of the major gatekeepers of news, decides to function as a propaganda machine instead of asking the questions.

Fox News isn't doing its job, and the credibility of the station is getting lower. Even the viewers of Fox News are aware that there is a bias, but accepts it, sometimes because they think they share similar values.

What happens when Fox News change their agenda? Will they be able to brainwash all these Republican supporters into moderate Democrats? Who knows.

It doesn't matter. Fox News is filth, regardless of which party or whos agenda it supports.

YIP
Zack

I hope to be as smart as you someday.  :D


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 16, 2006, 06:31:29 PM
It's in the work description of Journalists to try to stay objective.

What Fox News is doing is wrong. They are spinning the events to fit a certain agenda.

They not only do that, they also call themselves "Fair and Balanced".

The media is often called the fourth legal branch, and one of the most important functions of the media, is to critically look into the actions of the three other branches.

It gets wrecked if one of the biggest News stations, one of the major gatekeepers of news, decides to function as a propaganda machine instead of asking the questions.

Fox News isn't doing its job, and the credibility of the station is getting lower. Even the viewers of Fox News are aware that there is a bias, but accepts it, sometimes because they think they share similar values.

What happens when Fox News change their agenda? Will they be able to brainwash all these Republican supporters into moderate Democrats? Who knows.

It doesn't matter. Fox News is filth, regardless of which party or whos agenda it supports.

YIP
Zack

Well said... We really have a media crisis in America with Fox being the very worst and the other networks not being far behind.  Government corruption has largely been enabled by the corporate media.


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on November 16, 2006, 07:04:00 PM
Hhahahahahahahah.....is that the best you clowns can do?? Olberman does it all the time, PMSNBC's ratings are in the shitter so they have to try and have a scape goat, I guess FOX is it, they could go after Al Jezzra, but why narc on one of their own?


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Puller on November 16, 2006, 07:10:52 PM
It didn't say fake, it said false.

false adjective, fals‧er, fals‧est, adverb
–adjective

4.   tending to deceive or mislead; deceptive: a false impression.


Main Entry:   FALSE
Part of Speech:   adjective 1
Definition:   wrong
Synonyms:   apocryphal, beguiling, bogus, casuistic, concocted, cooked-up, counterfactual, deceitful, deceiving, delusive, dishonest, distorted, erroneous, ersatz, fake, fallacious, fanciful, faulty, fictitious, fishy, fraudulent, illusive, imaginary, improper, inaccurate, incorrect, inexact, invalid, lying, mendacious, misleading, misrepresentative, mistaken, phony, sham, sophistical, specious, spurious, trumped up, unfounded, unreal, unsound, untrue, untruthful
Antonyms:   accurate, correct, factual, precise, right, true, valid


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on November 16, 2006, 08:19:33 PM
I understand it could also mean Fake, but in this case it meant to deceive.


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: 24KT on November 16, 2006, 08:26:22 PM
Hhahahahahahahah.....is that the best you clowns can do?? Olberman does it all the time, PMSNBC's ratings are in the shitter so they have to try and have a scape goat, I guess FOX is it, they could go after Al Jezzra, but why narc on one of their own?

Al Jazeera is one of the most credible news sources in the world.

Arab nations used to always accuse them of being a CIA operation when they first started because they always had news about Israel, and often ran pieces on Israel always providing fair and balanced journalism. As soon as they started reporting truthful and embarrasing things about the West, Western interests labelled them the Al Queda network.

Most of the footage you see on FoxNews and other western TV news outlets, actually comes FROM Al Jazeera.


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: 240 is Back on November 16, 2006, 08:31:25 PM
When Rush said he was tired of carrying the water for republicans - for saying he supported arguments he didn't really believe, I lost a lot of respect for him.

it's like - if he is a strong neocon, okay, i disagree, but I can respect his opinion.

But when he admits he has been essentially lying - defending arguments he disagrees with and putting out messages that were wrong - well, I don't trust him.

And weird that he only defended these until the repubs lost.  if they had won, he'd still be lying :(


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on November 16, 2006, 08:34:19 PM
Al Jazeera is one of the most credible news sources in the world.



Yeah, for propaganda, jeez Jag, I think it's time you come out of the closet and admit your infactuation for communism and dictators, now I know why your so screwed!


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on November 16, 2006, 08:36:00 PM
Al Jazeera is one of the most credible news sources in the world.

Arab nations used to always accuse them of being a CIA operation when they first started because they always had news about Israel, and often ran pieces on Israel always providing fair and balanced journalism. As soon as they started reporting truthful and embarrasing things about the West, Western interests labelled them the Al Queda network.

Most of the footage you see on FoxNews and other western TV news outlets, actually comes FROM Al Jazeera.

I honestly don't understand why he would talk shit about a news station he has never watched??? LOL

You know we bombed Al Jazeera when we first went into Iraq, it wasn't on any lists, they said it was a mistake.  It killed a few innocent journalists.


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on November 16, 2006, 08:37:11 PM
Yeah, for propaganda, jeez Jag, I think it's time you come out of the closet and admit your infactuation for communism and dictators, now I know why your so screwed and a terrorist sympathizer!

How much Al Jazeera have you watched Mr.I?


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: 240 is Back on November 16, 2006, 08:38:12 PM
Bill Oreilly admitted it three weeks ago.

"I think there is too much liberal bias in the news.  What we do here is try to even the score"

He also listed some stats he found that 50% of the news on repubs is bad, and only 12% of the news on dems was bad.  Well, the repubs controlled the military, white house, and congress at the time.  If the war was wildly successful, we'd be hearing that.  But their name is on the deed for this war.

So yes, oreilly admitted it was the job of his show to level the playing field.  Essentially, he's right propaganda, and admits it.  people who watch are okay with that.  They do not want to hear things which are contrary to their comfort zone.

that's why i watch cnn (2 hours), fox (4 hours), and msnbc (2 hours) each day as I work.  I want to see all sides. and i've been seeing the fox slant for a long time now. it is what it is, neocon news.


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Hedgehog on November 16, 2006, 08:39:36 PM
Hhahahahahahahah.....is that the best you clowns can do?? Olberman does it all the time, PMSNBC's ratings are in the shitter so they have to try and have a scape goat, I guess FOX is it, they could go after Al Jezzra, but why narc on one of their own?

Why do you think Al Jazeera is biased?

YIP
Zack


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on November 16, 2006, 08:40:01 PM
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Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Puller on November 16, 2006, 08:40:33 PM
I understand it could also mean Fake, but in this case it meant to deceive.

Then dont quote a dictionary.

How did they mislead. Because they didn't put a liberal spin on it? Everyone knows fox is a conservative station. "Fair and Balanced" is a news slogan. But they certainly aren't misleading the american people. Phrasing a headline a different way is what every news station does. This is liberals attempting to attack Fox News for being the most watch news channel. And it wasa poor attempt.


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: 240 is Back on November 16, 2006, 08:42:07 PM
You know we bombed Al Jazeera when we first went into Iraq, it wasn't on any lists, they said it was a mistake.  It killed a few innocent journalists.

Remember when the palenstine hotel in Baghdad was hit with a shell?

Well, there is videotape of a US tank firing that round.  It slowly took aim, fired, and the shell killed a prominent aljazerra reporter and wounded others.  Hit their balcony and room.

The problem is, the US said their tank was fired on, and the shell was an errant response.  The problem is, there are zero sounds of any firing. You hear traffic, ambient noise, etc, and then the US tank just fires on the one media source which it disagreed with.  And it was recorded by some euro camera crew.  anyone have that clip?

IMO, there should have been a SERIOUS investigaiton as to why that shell was fired. I'm not defending or accusing anyone. But when there is videotape of a quiet day, then a US tank fires a shell at a journalist hotel, killing one crew it disagrees with, then lies about the circumstances, that is a serious fucking problem.

My country is better than that.  And every American should be pissed our fighting men aren't held to a higher standard.


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: 24KT on November 16, 2006, 08:45:18 PM
Yeah, for propaganda, jeez Jag, I think it's time you come out of the closet and admit your infactuation for communism and dictators,

The subject of discusion was a news organization, ...not communists or dictators. Grow a brain!


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on November 16, 2006, 08:45:40 PM
Remember when the palenstine hotel in Baghdad was hit with a shell?

Well, there is videotape of a US tank firing that round.  It slowly took aim, fired, and the shell killed a prominent aljazerra reporter and wounded others.  Hit their balcony and room.

The problem is, the US said their tank was fired on, and the shell was an errant response.  The problem is, there are zero sounds of any firing. You hear traffic, ambient noise, etc, and then the US tank just fires on the one media source which it disagreed with.  And it was recorded by some euro camera crew.  anyone have that clip?

IMO, there should have been a SERIOUS investigaiton as to why that shell was fired. I'm not defending or accusing anyone. But when there is videotape of a quiet day, then a US tank fires a shell at a journalist hotel, killing one crew it disagrees with, then lies about the circumstances, that is a serious fucking problem.

My country is better than that.  And every American should be pissed our fighting men aren't held to a higher standard.

Yes, man you are so right on everything.


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on November 16, 2006, 08:47:36 PM
Then dont quote a dictionary.

Your the one that didn't understand false didn't always mean fake.


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on November 16, 2006, 08:48:19 PM
How did they mislead. Because they didn't put a liberal spin on it?

Do you realize that News shouldn't have any spin on it at all???


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: 24KT on November 16, 2006, 09:05:02 PM
Remember when the palenstine hotel in Baghdad was hit with a shell?

Well, there is videotape of a US tank firing that round.  It slowly took aim, fired, and the shell killed a prominent aljazerra reporter and wounded others.  Hit their balcony and room.

The problem is, the US said their tank was fired on, and the shell was an errant response.  The problem is, there are zero sounds of any firing. You hear traffic, ambient noise, etc, and then the US tank just fires on the one media source which it disagreed with.  And it was recorded by some euro camera crew.  anyone have that clip?

IMO, there should have been a SERIOUS investigaiton as to why that shell was fired. I'm not defending or accusing anyone. But when there is videotape of a quiet day, then a US tank fires a shell at a journalist hotel, killing one crew it disagrees with, then lies about the circumstances, that is a serious fucking problem.

My country is better than that.  And every American should be pissed our fighting men aren't held to a higher standard.

Ya, I saw that clip. Journalists were told they would be targetted. Those not embedded with the military and therefore not subject to 'Stockholm syndrome' were targetted. It was pretty disgusting especially since all the journalists were made to relocate to that hotel.


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: 240 is Back on November 16, 2006, 09:05:16 PM
Do you realize that News shouldn't have any spin on it at all???

Cable news talking heads are not journalists.

They are actors reading scripts basedloosely upon current events, designed to capture ratings with educated viewers who prefer their news come with a harder left or harder right slant.

We should all know this going in - the news we see every day is NOT journalism.  Neither left nor right.  It's a television program designed to elicit emotion and let the viewer keep their side against the evil that is another country, race, or party.


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: 240 is Back on November 16, 2006, 09:06:42 PM
Ya, I saw that clip. Journalists were told they would be targetted. Those not embedded with the military and therefore not subject to 'Stockholm syndrome' were targetted. It was pretty disgusting especially since all the journalists were made to relocate to that hotel.

It was in that media clip berserker shared i think? I'll look. 

yes, they were snug in the one hotel designated as a journalist safe haven.  it was after they were warned to stop showing dead bodies or something like that, saying it was bad for morale?  I vaguely remember. I'd love to see it.  We should demand better.


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Hedgehog on November 16, 2006, 09:09:29 PM
Then dont quote a dictionary.

How did they mislead. Because they didn't put a liberal spin on it? Everyone knows fox is a conservative station. "Fair and Balanced" is a news slogan. But they certainly aren't misleading the american people. Phrasing a headline a different way is what every news station does. This is liberals attempting to attack Fox News for being the most watch news channel. And it wasa poor attempt.

News reporting is not supposed to be biased.

Here is a link to ethic guidelines of journalism:

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/journalism/ethics.htm

An excerpt:

    * Seek truth and report it.
      Journalists should be honest, fair, and courageous in gathering, reporting, and interpreting information.
    * Minimize harm.
      Ethical journalists treat sources, subjects, and colleagues as human beings deserving of respect.
    * Act independently.
      Journalists should be free of obligation to any interest other than the public's right to know.
    * Be accountable.
      Journalists are accountable to their readers, listeners, viewers, and each other.


Fox is not following these guidelines. It is that simple.

I think it's perfectly ok to have debates between democrats and republicans on Fox.

To ask tough questions to John Murtha, hell, those questions definitely should be asked, he needs to be held accountable for his actions, and if there was anything funny going on, the media will hopefully find out.

But Fox have to be journalists! They have to do their job.

Report the reality as they see it, if they have some conservative bias, that's ok. As long as they try to not be biased.


But that is not what Fox is doing. The difference betwen Fox and pretty much every news station I've seen, is that Fox is on purpose spinning the news a certain way, trying to influence its viewers.

Only similar example I can think of is Iran's Government-controlled Media agency:

http://www.irna.ir/en/

YIP
Zack


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 16, 2006, 09:10:27 PM
Hhahahahahahahah.....is that the best you clowns can do??
Do you have any idea how silly this sounds coming from you ::)  Mr. Itoldyouso cuz rush said so.... ::)


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Dos Equis on November 16, 2006, 09:38:34 PM
News reporting is not supposed to be biased.

Here is a link to ethic guidelines of journalism:

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/journalism/ethics.htm

An excerpt:

    * Seek truth and report it.
      Journalists should be honest, fair, and courageous in gathering, reporting, and interpreting information.
    * Minimize harm.
      Ethical journalists treat sources, subjects, and colleagues as human beings deserving of respect.
    * Act independently.
      Journalists should be free of obligation to any interest other than the public's right to know.
    * Be accountable.
      Journalists are accountable to their readers, listeners, viewers, and each other.


Fox is not following these guidelines. It is that simple.

I think it's perfectly ok to have debates between democrats and republicans on Fox.

To ask tough questions to John Murtha, hell, those questions definitely should be asked, he needs to be held accountable for his actions, and if there was anything funny going on, the media will hopefully find out.

But Fox have to be journalists! They have to do their job.

Report the reality as they see it, if they have some conservative bias, that's ok. As long as they try to not be biased.


But that is not what Fox is doing. The difference betwen Fox and pretty much every news station I've seen, is that Fox is on purpose spinning the news a certain way, trying to influence its viewers.

Only similar example I can think of is Iran's Government-controlled Media agency:

http://www.irna.ir/en/

YIP
Zack

Somebody better forward this to CNN. . . .


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: 240 is Back on November 16, 2006, 09:40:51 PM
Somebody better forward this to CNN. . . .

MSNBC make tv news shows for liberals.
FOX news makes news shows for neocon conservatives.
CNN makes news for middle class moderates.
CNBC makes news for upper class people of both parties.
MTV makes shows for fucking idiots.


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: kh300 on November 16, 2006, 09:43:29 PM
there is so much liberal bullshit on tv its amazing. but the one conservative station gets so much shit. are you telling me cnn or msnbc isnt bias?


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Hedgehog on November 16, 2006, 09:57:07 PM
there is so much liberal bullshit on tv its amazing. but the one conservative station gets so much shit. are you telling me cnn or msnbc isnt bias?

They're both very pro-American, so biased in that perspective.

Eg, they've both been selective in the way the reported on the war in Iraq.

Totally unacceptable.

It's not the role of the journalist to "protect" the viewer from certain bad truths.

Report what happens. Seek out the truth.

As far as biased towards any party, I am positive that neither CNN or MSNBC has a written agenda to spin news.

With that being said, some reporters show blatant lack of objectivity: In an interview with John Murtha, I found Chris Matthews to almost coach Murtha through some answers.

As for Olbermann: I don't like his type of show. Be it O'Reilly, Olbermann or Limbaugh. That stuff doesn't belong on bigtime TV.

To the Olbermann's shows credit, it has pointed out a lot of the failures of O'Reilly. But he's a little short on credibility, since he's a commentator himself, doesn't let the evidence do all the talking.

There are others that are biased.

But the difference is that there clearly is no agenda from the news station to spin towards a long-term goal.

Other than, of course, the spin MSNBC and CNN has done on the Iraq war for a long time, deciding to tell a very photoshopped version of what's going on.

Self-censorship of its worst kind. A journalist should definitely be prepared to go to jail to seek out the truth.

Neither MSNBC or CNN has those kind of journalists, apparently.

YIP
Zack


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: 240 is Back on November 16, 2006, 09:59:07 PM
there is so much liberal bullshit on tv its amazing. but the one conservative station gets so much shit. are you telling me cnn or msnbc isnt bias?

it's like you just post without reading.

MSNBC make tv news shows for liberals.
FOX news makes news shows for neocon conservatives.
CNN makes news for middle class moderates.
CNBC makes news for upper class people of both parties.
MTV makes shows for fucking idiots.


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Puller on November 16, 2006, 10:04:54 PM
I understand Fox is biased and spin things to sound conservative. What I'm saying is every one does the same thing. They all report the same major headlines they just spin it differently. The are not misleading. Misleading would be like saying there was no gunman on the grassy nole.  lol


Title: Re: Countdown: Fox News Caught Creating False News 11-15-06
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on November 16, 2006, 10:05:18 PM
MTV makes shows for fucking idiots.

Literally LOL'd