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Title: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: davidpaul on November 16, 2006, 04:23:12 PM
Sammy Hagar or David lee roth?


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Debussey on November 16, 2006, 04:24:29 PM
David Lee Roth.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: corinth on November 16, 2006, 04:25:06 PM
Diamond Dave rules the world.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: The Squadfather on November 16, 2006, 04:25:50 PM
Sammy


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on November 16, 2006, 04:25:56 PM
Roth by far even though he's a tool ! early VH albums wre just great !


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 16, 2006, 04:26:43 PM
anyone who says hagar is expelled from the board and can't return until they can fully recite at least one song from each non-hagar album.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Bluto on November 16, 2006, 04:27:30 PM
eddie is the frontman to me


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 16, 2006, 04:28:54 PM
Sammy

case in point. i know you're too young to have listened to van halen when they were actually relevant, so ask your mom if she has any old tapes laying around and listen to the self-titled and II.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: davidpaul on November 16, 2006, 04:29:14 PM
i think van halen are a much underated band.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: dr.chimps on November 16, 2006, 04:30:42 PM
Diamond Dave.  Yeeeeow.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: davidpaul on November 16, 2006, 04:31:32 PM
best song?

panama?


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 16, 2006, 04:32:31 PM
i think van halen are a much underated band.

a lot of 80s bands were a lot better than they get credit for. throw in def leppard's hysteria and remember the good old days when rock bands were just about rocking and having a good time instead of bitching about how no one understands them and the world is so cruel.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Blockhead on November 16, 2006, 04:32:41 PM
 Diamond Dave by far...

 Greatest front man of all time...Axl. Greatest lead guitarist? Slash...

 Greatest vocalist? sebastian bach.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 16, 2006, 04:34:29 PM
Diamond Dave by far...

 Greatest front man of all time...Axl. Greatest lead guitarist? Slash...

 Greatest vocalist? sebastian bach.

g'n'r was a great band but way overrated. they had one good cd and after that they got weird. no one cruises listening to use your illusion or the spaghetti incident. although it's hard to hate a guy who made up his name by mixing around the letters in "oral sex".  ;D


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: davidpaul on November 16, 2006, 04:35:39 PM
anyone remember the members?

those mockney wankers rocked.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Blockhead on November 16, 2006, 04:42:15 PM
g'n'r was a great band but way overrated. they had one good cd and after that they got weird. no one cruises listening to use your illusion or the spaghetti incident. although it's hard to hate a guy who made up his name by mixing around the letters in "oral sex".  ;D
Bitch please! Maybe not 'spaghetti' but I have Use/Illusions 1&2 up in my ride right now. Coma, Estranged, Garden, You could be Mine, Double Talkin Jive...all bigtime JAMS! Civil war?

 I also have in my ride...Cinderella(Long Cold Winter/Night Songs) and everything by Poison.

 Cinderella was way underrated.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: AVBG on November 16, 2006, 04:43:59 PM
Sammy was better. He's back now? - please confirm.

Dave had all the moves but Sammy is/was a better singer and could get a better range from the band..


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 16, 2006, 04:45:52 PM
not my speed so much. far as i'm concerned those are the load and reload of g'n'r, and the only good song to come out of them was november rain which ended up being overplayed like crazy. poison had their moments, i liked twisted sister myself. and of course, def leppard.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: davidpaul on November 16, 2006, 04:47:20 PM
not my speed so much. far as i'm concerned those are the load and reload of g'n'r, and the only good song to come out of them was november rain which ended up being overplayed like crazy. poison had their moments, i liked twisted sister myself. and of course, def leppard.

u like judas priest or saxon?

i perosanally prefer the british punk/ska bands of the l8 70's early 80's.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: corinth on November 16, 2006, 04:49:17 PM
Bitch please! Maybe not 'spaghetti' but I have Use/Illusions 1&2 up in my ride right now. Coma, Estranged, Garden, You could be Mine, Double Talkin Jive...all bigtime JAMS! Civil war?

 I also have in my ride...Cinderella(Long Cold Winter/Night Songs) and everything by Poison.

 Cinderella was way underrated.

Guns was definitely the one band of the 80s that could have been big...I mean Stones big.......all the songs you listed kick ass, as well as Don't Cry, Knockin on Heavens Door


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Hedgehog on November 16, 2006, 04:49:54 PM
AC/DC.

And no, Bon Scott wasn't THE man.

Brian Johnson owns Scott's ass.

Thunderstruck.

YIP
Zack


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 16, 2006, 04:50:25 PM
u like judas priest or saxon?

i perosanally prefer the british punk/ska bands of the l8 70's early 80's.

didn't listen to much saxon, but everyone loves priest. he was one of the first real metal figures. no surprise at all that he was gay, but still badass.

they definitely could have been, corinth, but my point is they didn't. the band just fell apart because axl was a dumbass. all that potential, there ain't a band out there who had a better debut.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 16, 2006, 04:54:49 PM
dude, Roth was the man.  plain and simple.  Van Halen, Fair Warning, and II were some of the most kick ass albums out.  I got em all in my ride.  I dont care for hagar halen at all


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: corinth on November 16, 2006, 04:54:58 PM
didn't listen to much saxon, but everyone loves priest. he was one of the first real metal figures. no surprise at all that he was gay, but still badass.

they definitely could have been, corinth, but my point is they didn't. the band just fell apart because axl was a dumbass. all that potential, there ain't a band out there who had a better debut.

I agree, they could have been one of the greatest but threw it all away with too much ego.

If you're a Def Lep fan you need to get a copy of "Retroactive" if you don't have it. Lots of their harder stuff and b sides. It's great and a must have for a Lep fan.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Grundle on November 16, 2006, 04:56:46 PM
David Lee Roth IS Van Halen


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: mar10s on November 16, 2006, 04:57:02 PM
Sammy was better. He's back now? - please confirm.

Dave had all the moves but Sammy is/was a better singer and could get a better range from the band..

Sammy is not in the band anymore.  He tours on his own and I've been to all of his solo tours since the departure from VH in 06.  He can still put on a great show and does his shows with Michael Anthony for at least half the show.  The band is ready to tour in 2007 with DLR as the lead singer.  Michael Anthony, the bass player, as of now will not tour with the band.  Eddie's son, so far, is slated to be the bass player for the tour.  They may also have a "guest" tour also as another bass player.

As far as which singer is the best...matter of opinion.  Sammy had better range but Dave could really entertain the crowd.  However, VH never debuted at #1 on the album charts till Sammy came along and 5150 was released.  Dave can't sing worth shit now, mostly talkes through all the songs (saw him this past summer).  But the tour will be entertaining.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: knny187 on November 16, 2006, 04:57:14 PM
DLR


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Blockhead on November 16, 2006, 04:57:45 PM
Guns was definitely the one band of the 80s that could have been big...I mean Stones big.......all the songs you listed kick ass, as well as Don't Cry, Knockin on Heavens Door
Word! In the song 'Double Talkin Jive' it's great cuz at the end of the lyrics before that awesome guitar solo Axl is like..."you dig...youknowwhatImsayin?" Hahahaha!

 My first show 3 yrs ago...I posed to POISON's Fallen Angel. My 2nd show I did Cindferella 'Gypsy Road'.

 


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: corinth on November 16, 2006, 05:03:04 PM
Word! In the song 'Double Talkin Jive' it's great cuz at the end of the lyrics before that awesome guitar solo Axl is like..."you dig...youknowwhatImsayin?" Hahahaha!

 My first show 3 yrs ago...I posed to POISON's Fallen Angel. My 2nd show I did Cindferella 'Gypsy Road'.

 


Cinderella is definitely underrated. I have "Nobody's Fool" on my mp3 player right now.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Whiskey on November 16, 2006, 05:03:21 PM
case in point. i know you're too young to have listened to van halen when they were actually relevant, so ask your mom if she has any old tapes laying around and listen to the self-titled and II.
HaHa owned!


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Blockhead on November 16, 2006, 05:12:05 PM

Cinderella is definitely underrated. I have "Nobody's Fool" on my mp3 player right now.
That's a BAD ASS song! Download 'NightSongs'. Or 'Comming Home'.


 "..I count the falling tears that fall before my ey-eeey...seems like a thousand years since we broke the ties...I call you on the phone..."

 Tom Keifer is and was a great front man and guitarist. I seen them live numerous times and always ...they always rock the house. The begin their set with 'Save Me'.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: AVBG on November 16, 2006, 05:16:22 PM
Sammy is not in the band anymore.  He tours on his own and I've been to all of his solo tours since the departure from VH in 06.  He can still put on a great show and does his shows with Michael Anthony for at least half the show.  The band is ready to tour in 2007 with DLR as the lead singer.  Michael Anthony, the bass player, as of now will not tour with the band.  Eddie's son, so far, is slated to be the bass player for the tour.  They may also have a "guest" tour also as another bass player.

As far as which singer is the best...matter of opinion.  Sammy had better range but Dave could really entertain the crowd.  However, VH never debuted at #1 on the album charts till Sammy came along and 5150 was released.  Dave can't sing worth shit now, mostly talkes through all the songs (saw him this past summer).  But the tour will be entertaining.

wow. great info, much appreciated.



Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 16, 2006, 05:23:23 PM
I would garentee that I know more about VH than anyone on this site.  I've got stuff from them as far back as 1974 when they played the starwood and the whiskey.  I've got the demos they did with gene simmons, I've got the 25 song demo they did for warner bros.  I've got the last concert they did before VH1, I've got about 150 shows on cassette from 74-95.  I've got stuff sammy did with montrose for a radio broadcast in 73 and 74, I've got the 5150 demos at least 100 videos...I've got almost everything a VH fan could want.

Both guys are great, Dave was an incredible showman but he was a gigantic ego maniac at the end.  He did a 10 or 15 minute Ti-Chi solo on the 1984 tour-BTW the backing music for this turned out to be Mine all Mine from OU812.  The boots from 84 and almost unlistenable, they sound terrible, DAve does not sing anymore he "talks" all the words.  His albums he did were classic, I won't take it away from him.

Sammy's stuff is "different" alot of different things happened when Sam came along.  Eddie wanted to do keyboard songs and sam could do em.  5150 and OU812 are great records but they're not as rockin as Dave's stuff but I still think they're great records.  5150 is great from begining to end, incredible music.  OU812 is very diverse but it has some filler.  FUCK and BAlance are both really good, FUCK being my favorite VH record..period.

I've seen VH about 8 times, Sammy about 7 and Dave 4 times.

In my opinion...I like Sam better but I would never take away what Dave did with the band.

David Lee Roth IS Van Halen

not really.  If that was the case he'd have been a popular solo artist and he couldn't sell shit as far back as 88.  VH was still one of the biggest bands in the world all the way up unitl the minute Sam got the boot in 96.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: AVBG on November 16, 2006, 05:28:51 PM
Naturalal... you're full of surprises


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: AmateurBB1985 on November 16, 2006, 05:29:37 PM
I prefer GARY SHERONE.  ;DAnyone else a fan of Extreme's "More than Words"


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: AVBG on November 16, 2006, 05:31:57 PM
I prefer GARY SHERONE.  ;DAnyone else a fan of Extreme's "More than Words"


Cherone was good when he did the extreme stuff. Not much chop in VH.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: corinth on November 16, 2006, 05:32:28 PM
I would garentee that I know more about VH than anyone on this site.  I've got stuff from them as far back as 1974 when they played the starwood and the whiskey.  I've got the demos they did with gene simmons, I've got the 25 song demo they did for warner bros.  I've got the last concert they did before VH1, I've got about 150 shows on cassette from 74-95.  I've got stuff sammy did with montrose for a radio broadcast in 73 and 74, I've got the 5150 demos at least 100 videos...I've got almost everything a VH fan could want.

Both guys are great, Dave was an incredible showman but he was a gigantic ego maniac at the end.  He did a 10 or 15 minute Ti-Chi solo on the 1984 tour-BTW the backing music for this turned out to be Mine all Mine from OU812.  The boots from 84 and almost unlistenable, they sound terrible, DAve does not sing anymore he "talks" all the words.  His albums he did were classic, I won't take it away from him.

Sammy's stuff is "different" alot of different things happened when Sam came along.  Eddie wanted to do keyboard songs and sam could do em.  5150 and OU812 are great records but they're not as rockin as Dave's stuff but I still think they're great records.  5150 is great from begining to end, incredible music.  OU812 is very diverse but it has some filler.  f**k and BAlance are both really good, f**k being my favorite VH record..period.

I've seen VH about 8 times, Sammy about 7 and Dave 4 times.

In my opinion...I like Sam better but I would never take away what Dave did with the band.

not really.  If that was the case he'd have been a popular solo artist and he couldn't sell shit as far back as 88.  VH was still one of the biggest bands in the world all the way up unitl the minute Sam got the boot in 96.

Naturalal, I agree, 5150 is great, one of those cd's you put on and don't have to skip one song. But the first two VH albums with Dave are incredible. To most people that will always be Van Halen. I still get chills whenever the intro to You really got me comes on to this day and have to turn the volume up.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: davidpaul on November 16, 2006, 05:33:06 PM
I would garentee that I know more about VH than anyone on this site.  I've got stuff from them as far back as 1974 when they played the starwood and the whiskey.  I've got the demos they did with gene simmons, I've got the 25 song demo they did for warner bros.  I've got the last concert they did before VH1, I've got about 150 shows on cassette from 74-95.  I've got stuff sammy did with montrose for a radio broadcast in 73 and 74, I've got the 5150 demos at least 100 videos...I've got almost everything a VH fan could want.

Both guys are great, Dave was an incredible showman but he was a gigantic ego maniac at the end.  He did a 10 or 15 minute Ti-Chi solo on the 1984 tour-BTW the backing music for this turned out to be Mine all Mine from OU812.  The boots from 84 and almost unlistenable, they sound terrible, DAve does not sing anymore he "talks" all the words.  His albums he did were classic, I won't take it away from him.

Sammy's stuff is "different" alot of different things happened when Sam came along.  Eddie wanted to do keyboard songs and sam could do em.  5150 and OU812 are great records but they're not as rockin as Dave's stuff but I still think they're great records.  5150 is great from begining to end, incredible music.  OU812 is very diverse but it has some filler.  f**k and BAlance are both really good, f**k being my favorite VH record..period.

I've seen VH about 8 times, Sammy about 7 and Dave 4 times.

In my opinion...I like Sam better but I would never take away what Dave did with the band.

not really.  If that was the case he'd have been a popular solo artist and he couldn't sell shit as far back as 88.  VH was still one of the biggest bands in the world all the way up unitl the minute Sam got the boot in 96.

haha i always thought u were a cool g, now i know why 8)


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 16, 2006, 05:33:18 PM
Here's a cool little known VH fact:

Marshal Berle used to manage VH-he's the nephew of Milton Berle.  Anyway rumor has it Dave didn't get along with him very well.  Dave's dad was a very wealthy Doctor and used his money to get Berle out of the picture.  The band then hired Niel Monk to manage him, Niel and Dave were very close.  Some people believed that Niel was hired with the sole intention of pushing Dave.

Eddie used to turn his back to the crowd when he did his solos so nobody could steal his technique.

Rumor has it that Ted Templeman pushed hard for Sammy Hagar to replace dave as far back as 1978.  He presented this to the band and they turned him down.  Wether this is true or not has never been confirmed but when Sammy and VH played a few festivals Ed went over and said "hi" to sam and told him he really dug the stuff sammy did with montrose.  Ed later said that dAve was all pissy about sammy.  Sam didn't even know that he was up for consideration until he joined the band.  Ed, Al, Sam and Mike talk about this alot in interviews from 86-88.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: AVBG on November 16, 2006, 05:33:51 PM
Naturalal, I agree, 5150 is great, one of those cd's you put on and don't have to skip one song. But the first two VH albums with Dave are incredible. To most people that will always be Van Halen. I still get chills whenever the intro to You really got me comes on to this day and have to turn the volume up.

I like the guitar sound in "summer nights"


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: AVBG on November 16, 2006, 05:35:02 PM
Here's a cool little known VH fact:

Marshal Berle used to manage VH-he's the nephew of Milton Berle.  Anyway rumor has it Dave didn't get along with him very well.  Dave's dad was a very wealthy Doctor and used his money to get Berle out of the picture.  The band then hired Niel Monk to manage him, Niel and Dave were very close.  Some people believed that Niel was hired with the sole intention of pushing Dave.

Eddie used to turn his back to the crowd when he did his solos so nobody could steal his technique.

I knew this..


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 16, 2006, 05:37:45 PM
Naturalal, I agree, 5150 is great, one of those cd's you put on and don't have to skip one song. But the first two VH albums with Dave are incredible. To most people that will always be Van Halen. I still get chills whenever the intro to You really got me comes on to this day and have to turn the volume up.

the first 2 are great.  I listened to them alot but I listened to 5150 for 2 years straight.  Everyday until OU812 came out.  VHII is basically just left over songs from VH1 demos.  They demo'd or played almost everything from that disk live.  You're no good's into used to be for a song they did back in the club, I think it was called "Just what she wanted" or something like that.  Dance the night away was original.  Bottoms up, Somebody get me a doctor, Outta love....Beutiful Girs (which was demo'd as "bring on the girls") all left overs.  Once I found that out the CD lost a little luster to me.

FYI-Eddie played VH1 for a band called Angel a few weeks before it was released.  that band went right into the sutdio and tried to record and release thier version of You Really Got me...so VH released it to radio stations waaaay ahead of schedule.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 16, 2006, 05:40:42 PM
I like the guitar sound in "summer nights"

it's actully recorded on a stienberg guitar using a trans trem device.  It lets you go up and down in keys while playing or something.  Ed plays it on Summer nights and on Get up off of 5150.  He uses something similar on Pleasure Dome from FUCK and Me Wise Magic form BOV1.  I think he used it for Ballot or the bullet form VH3 also.

They stopped playing summer nights in 91 cause eddie signed with music man and couldn't use the stienberg guitar anymore.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: corinth on November 16, 2006, 05:42:40 PM
Natural al, wasn't there a story behind the song "Jamie's crying" also? Do you know it?


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 16, 2006, 05:47:15 PM
Natural al, wasn't there a story behind the song "Jamie's crying" also? Do you know it?

it was written in the studio.  It's the first time Ed played to a backing track, they asked him to and he didn't really know how, he played everything else live up to that point.  I've never heard any stories about the lyrics being anything special............

let's see...here's another little VH factoid.  The band recorded "in the midnight hour" by...wilson picket(?) for diverdown and again for 1984 but never used it.  They completely miss a verse in pretty woman.  the vid for pretty woman got banned in Japan cause Mike Anthony is a Samarui in it.  the Japaneese didn't have  a problem with that but if you look really close when Mike jumps on his horse and rides off the headbadn that he's wearing which has the Japaneese flag on it is upside down.  they lost thier minds over that.  VH recorded "Intruder" after making the video for pretty woman cause the vid was longer than the song was.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: mar10s on November 16, 2006, 05:52:23 PM
it's actully recorded on a stienberg guitar using a trans trem device.  It lets you go up and down in keys while playing or something.  Ed plays it on Summer nights and on Get up off of 5150.  He uses something similar on Pleasure Dome from f**k and Me Wise Magic form BOV1.  I think he used it for Ballot or the bullet form VH3 also.

They stopped playing summer nights in 91 cause eddie signed with music man and couldn't use the stienberg guitar anymore.

Damn Al...some great info...thought i knew the most!  A sittar was used for Ballot or the Bullet off of III.  Good point about the demos...you ever hear "Voodoo Queen"?  Great song!  They later used the music for the song "Mean Street". 
I actually thought Templeman and Roth were close? 
I listen to the 5150 album most when i work out, i really like the energy, especially from "Good Enough".  Oh and fyi, at the Sammy tour this summer, they were playing "Summer Nights".  Sammy said it is the most requested song to play live...played that and "Good Enough".  Sounded pretty good too, but would've prefered to see the Van Hales bros. perform it with him.
They're actually up for RR Hall of Fame this next year. 


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 16, 2006, 05:58:32 PM
Ed plays the begining of the guitar solo in Sam's "eagles fly" he also played bass and go produced that disk with sammy.  Do a search on WinMX or anything else and look for a song called I want some action.  It's a left over track from 5150 and the only song that was leaked by the band since they went to 5150.  There is a track from VH3 out there called That's why I love you that was on the initial press releases of III.

I want some action's music was later used for a steve lukathar song called Twist the knife...ed plays bass on the lukathar track and Luckathur provided alot of background vocals on VH records-he's uncredited.  there are even rumors that he played guitar on some tracks from Balance cause ed was too wasted to play them while they were recording them.

Can't get this stuff no more from BOV1 was originally recorded with sam as "the Backdoor Schuffle" for balance.  sam heard it and called the band and got paid off cause they used his melody...or that's the rumor that's out there.

Damn Al...some great info...thought i knew the most!  A sittar was used for Ballot or the Bullet off of III.  Good point about the demos...you ever hear "Voodoo Queen"?  Great song!  They later used the music for the song "Mean Street". 
I actually thought Templeman and Roth were close? 
I listen to the 5150 album most when i work out, i really like the energy, especially from "Good Enough".  Oh and fyi, at the Sammy tour this summer, they were playing "Summer Nights".  Sammy said it is the most requested song to play live...played that and "Good Enough".  Sounded pretty good too, but would've prefered to see the Van Hales bros. perform it with him.
They're actually up for RR Hall of Fame this next year. 

Eddie plays a sitar on the isturmental before ballot or the bullet.  Can't remember the name.  Ed also plays a mini guitar for the solo on BOTB and uses a stone his son found on the beach instead of a pic for that song.

I've heard Voodoo Queen..and Last night which turned out to be Hang em high off of DD.  I've literally got 100's of tapes, I've heard pretty much everything.  Look for a song called Ain't No Stoppin...it used to be thier signature song in the club...or at least that's what I heard.  I've got a tape from 76 where they do almost all covers..they do the beatles...everything.  I've even got them in 74 doing a montrose cover song..dave singing sammy.

the band at this point is a joke to me.  if they go into the RnR HOF it's gonna be embarrassing to see them there.  everyone hates everyone....it's ed and al and then there's Sam and mike... and then there's dave.  Hell ed's going around saying his kids the bass player for VH these days.....

i saw sam over the summer too...it was great.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on November 16, 2006, 06:02:32 PM
Al I heard that Michael Anthony didn't play when they recorded albums is this true?


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: corinth on November 16, 2006, 06:02:51 PM
Do you know if VH has any plans to release a box set that contains old and new plus any of the unreleased stuff you've mentioned?


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Luv2Hurt on November 16, 2006, 06:09:22 PM
DLR


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 16, 2006, 06:11:43 PM
Al I heard that Michael Anthony didn't play when they recorded albums is this true?

Mike didn't play alot of bass on VH3, I've read established bass players analyzer every aspect of every song off of that disk.  Listen to Without You and pay attention to the bass line.....no way did Mike play that.  If you listen to Sammy's I never said goodbye cd where ed does play bass you'd know what I'm talking about.  Mike did not play on the 3 songs they released in 04, this has been cofirmed by Sam and by Mike.  I think he played on most stuff up until 95, maybe a couple of things here or there he didn't.  Ed didn't start getting really flakey until 96.


Do you know if VH has any plans to release a box set that contains old and new plus any of the unreleased stuff you've mentioned?

I've heard that Warner Bros.  Goes ot him every year and Ed won't sign off on it.  I DOUBT anything that was recorded after the band started using 5150 will ever be released.  Ed just won't do it.  I can name about 10-15 songs that they talked about as being left overs with Sam...stuff like The Wish, You Never Know, Backdoor Schuffle, Hendrix Jam, Out of the Ether....I'll have to look up the others but Alex said last year that there are NO unreleased VH tracks which is a blatant lie.  So i thnk there will be a box set but I think it will suck.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: mar10s on November 16, 2006, 06:14:19 PM
Al I heard that Michael Anthony didn't play when they recorded albums is this true?

Mike didn't do any of the bass on the 3 songs that came out on BOBW.  They called Sammy in and he did the vocals and then Sammy talked them into calling Mike in to lay down backing vocals....kinda crappy for Mike.  The brothers were mad at him for touring with Sam.


Al, I have "That's Why I Love You" on cd...found it one day on Kazaa a few years back...pretty cool tune actually.  

I'd love to hear some of the old club stuff.  I have the US Festival show in full, in color saved on my computer.  Dave is hilarious on it!  So wasted on the opening song "Romeo's Delight" he forgets the words and makes it known to the crowd...great stuff.  There is NO band out there like VH or any other band of that era for that matter.  Seems like no bands today have any staying power.  I'm sure i'm missing some, but Metallica, Aerosmith, Def Leppard just to name a few...they're a dying breed unfortunately.  What else ya know Al...some good sh*t!


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Sergio Rules 77 on November 16, 2006, 06:15:15 PM
As a massive Van Halen fan, I love both Sammy & Dave the same which is pretty rare as most are split down the middle. I prefer Dave's voice & stage presence but I prefer slightly the music they made with Sammy. Balance is my favourite and outstrips anything they did with Dave. So sad what's happended to VH though, do you realise they have only released 4 albums of new material in over 20 years, OU812, F.U.C.K, Balance & VHIII (if you can call that an album). Now Eddie's been reduced to doing music for porno movies ::).

SERGIO!!!!!


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: mar10s on November 16, 2006, 06:23:25 PM
Ya, that porn was "shot" pun intended, at Ed's house.  I hear ya though...i'm a fan of all of their music.  I just think they are/were a great band.  The hall of fame thing...if they do get in and perform...dont they have to perform with all 3 singers??


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 16, 2006, 06:33:27 PM
Mike didn't do any of the bass on the 3 songs that came out on BOBW.  They called Sammy in and he did the vocals and then Sammy talked them into calling Mike in to lay down backing vocals....kinda crappy for Mike.  The brothers were mad at him for touring with Sam.


Al, I have "That's Why I Love You" on cd...found it one day on Kazaa a few years back...pretty cool tune actually.  

I'd love to hear some of the old club stuff.  I have the US Festival show in full, in color saved on my computer.  Dave is hilarious on it!  So wasted on the opening song "Romeo's Delight" he forgets the words and makes it known to the crowd...great stuff.  There is NO band out there like VH or any other band of that era for that matter.  Seems like no bands today have any staying power.  I'm sure i'm missing some, but Metallica, Aerosmith, Def Leppard just to name a few...they're a dying breed unfortunately.  What else ya know Al...some good sh*t!

I've got to get to bed so I'll post more tomorrow, it's been just random thoughts up until now.  Dave did that "I forgot the fuckin words" stuff all the time, it was an act.  I thought the US festival show sucked ass compared to some of the stuff I've seen.  At that point they were the highes paid band ever to do a one night show...and they came out wasted off thier ass.  I think they got paid something like 17,000 a minute for that show. 

About the 04 songs.  Waht you said was true but Ed and Al made Mike sign a waiver so he now has no rights to the VH name and he took a big pay cut to go out on the 04 tour.  Mike cannot do an appearance as "Van Halens Mike Anthony" at this point....he has no rights to the name and no say so to anything the band does.

let's see what's some good shit......the band were gonna record a live album of the fair warnings tour but...supposedly Dave slept with Alex's wife and Ed confronted dave and tried to slug him and dave moved..ed ended up hitting the wall and breaking his hand...that's a rumor that I've read about in a book and seen talked about on the net.

here's some songs from the 76 demo I talked about earlier:

you really got me
last child-aerosmith cover
live for the music
runnin with the devil
the rover
sweet emotion
waitin for the bus
walk this way
superstition
still alive and well
twist and shout

and it goes on and on...I don't even know who did most of that stuff originally..


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 16, 2006, 06:38:27 PM
Ya, that porn was "shot" pun intended, at Ed's house.  I hear ya though...i'm a fan of all of their music.  I just think they are/were a great band.  The hall of fame thing...if they do get in and perform...dont they have to perform with all 3 singers??

I think Gary's already said he won't show up....I'm not sure about that.  It's gonna be a mess no matter what.  Ed hates everybody these days but Alex and Al might be walking a thin line these days.  Al and Sam still talk from what I hear...that could land Al in outsville with everyone else.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: AVBG on November 16, 2006, 06:41:11 PM
For all the fans. This is one of my guitars!


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 16, 2006, 06:49:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzq17F-b9AU

20 years old.  Yes I know they're clothes suck and I know Sam's hair is terrible but check out the guitar solo.....incredible.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: mar10s on November 16, 2006, 07:06:54 PM
Sweet Guitar pic!! 

Nice video post too Al!  Live Without a Net from "New Halen" CT!!

Alex is by far very unrespected as one of the best drummers ever.  Ed said he's tried playing "Hot for Teacher" with a lot of drummers and no one could make it through the song.  Anyway, talent all round the table.  Thanks for the vid post Al.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: mar10s on November 16, 2006, 07:11:26 PM
Here's a clip of Ed from the 1995 Balance Tour...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULEBSxP725w


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Grundle on November 16, 2006, 07:19:13 PM
Natural Al,


I will admit you are a formidable adversary when it comes to Van Halen history and trivia! Just an update however, Van Halen and Warner Bros. have officially parted ways. 


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: AVBG on November 16, 2006, 07:20:46 PM
hey.. how do you convert a word doc to jpg? I got an awesome pic to share of Wolfgang and Eddie jamming.



Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 16, 2006, 08:11:26 PM
Natural Al,


I will admit you are a formidable adversary when it comes to Van Halen history and trivia! Just an update however, Van Halen and Warner Bros. have officially parted ways. 

yeah but if they do a box set it will be with warner or wih Rhino which owned by warner.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: njflex on November 16, 2006, 08:35:14 PM
vh have and will alway's be one of my favorite's from my teen year's,i have every cd and like dlr and sammy for different reason's as you have all pointed out.it scare's me to think of a tour with roth now he act's like a total imbecile now,back in the day it was a controlled cockiness and he backed it up.the same brashness today come's of as comical.eddie will go down as the gretest rock guitarist ever seen and it is a cause of debate due to clapton,hendrix,fans i don't care for their music so it's just an opinion,but he revolutionized the way to play guitar from tapping,to bending,and distortion effects with melodic playing.i'm am no guitar player nor musician,just good ear's that were entranced by his unique sound.his best work was defintely fair warning,women and children first,balance great comeback album.5150 was a masterpiece all around.i saw the lst tour with sammy and it was halfhearted ,i liked enough to go though,and his guitar solo was a showstoppa.his son came out too,interesting to say the least ,kid can play.we'll see if this roth tour comes to fruition but with eddie and roth their only a fight away from it becoming just a bad idea.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on November 16, 2006, 08:51:37 PM
I grew up in the Pasadena area and used to see Van Halen before they were "Van Halen" at local backyard parties, David couldn't sing worth a crap back then but they were still awesome, after David Lee Roth left the band everyone thought that was the end and when Sammy Hagar came along we also thought that it would never be the same, but personally I have been a huge fan of Sammy since his days with "Montrose" plus he was another local boy (West Covina).

Every once in a while Eddie and Michael Anthoney will come into this local bar in Arcadia (First Cabin) and sit in with the band and when people realized who it was the place obviously goes nuts!


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 17, 2006, 07:04:29 AM
here's some old school VH stuff.  first when Dave joined the band they were known as mammoth.  Ed handled alot of the singing up to that point.  One of the main reasons Dave was asked to join the band was because he had a PA system.  The band at that time was made up of Ed, Al, Dave and bassist mark stone.  Stone either quit or was asked to leave and now works as a plumber in the pasadena area.  VH were initially "discovered" by Gene Simmons.  Simmons was at a show to see Dokken's guitarist George lynch's band at the time "The Boyz" but ended up getting VH to do a demo.  The simmons demo had..I think...6 songs on it.  Runnin with the devil was on it as was an early version of House of Pain which would show up in a different form on 1984, I'll have to check my copy for the other songs but I know one of them was named Babe don't leave me alone and another is Voodoo Queen which would later turn up as the music for Mean street.  The simmons demo was given to the head of casablanca records-kiss' old record label and he passed on it to sign Billy Squir's band. 

One of the coolest songs on balance-IMO-is Take me Back.  If you can get an early bootleg of the band from around 75 or 76 and get a song called No More Waiting you'll notice that the intro is the same for both songs except TMB is on an acoustic guitar.

Ed built his guitars for most of the early stuff he did.  The guitar on the cover of women and children first was on loan from WASP's Blackie Lawless...ed loved that guitar but decided it would look better if he modified it and took a chainsaw to it and ruined the sound of it.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: AVBG on November 17, 2006, 10:19:55 AM


Ed built his guitars for most of the early stuff he did.  The guitar on the cover of women and children first was on loan from WASP's Blackie Lawless...ed loved that guitar but decided it would look better if he modified it and took a chainsaw to it and ruined the sound of it.

Ibanez destroyer  ;)


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Man of Steel on November 17, 2006, 10:25:46 AM
Roth


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 17, 2006, 10:32:55 AM
Ibanez destroyer  ;)

yes, yes, yes.  I've got an old issue of "the inside" magazine with a bunch of eddies guitars in it, lots of cool stuff the flying V he used for hot for teacher and best of both worlds, the old black and yellow strat, a bunch of red and white guitars, a double neck bass guitar combo he used to play "spanked" with in concert, lots of cool stuff.  I read once when he was talking with the guy who made the stienberg guitars that he brought some prototypes to eddie...this was right about the time they were working on Carnal knowledge and Ed was thinking of endorsing them..anyway he gives Ed the guitar and he said Ed sat down and started playing it, after a couple of minutes it was like Ed was in a trance...the guy said it was some of the greatest guitar work he'd ever seen. 

If anyone gets a chance check out for unlawful carnal knowledge...it's an incredible cd.  That's the first time they really nailed thier production.  Andy Johns did a ton of stuff with Zepplin and he brought alot of those elements with him to VH's sound.  Everyone kicks ass on that disk...check out Judgement Day and Pleasure Dome...totally incredible.  I still think that's one of the best "hard rock" cd's of the 90's.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Grundle on November 17, 2006, 02:42:57 PM
I consider myself the number one Van Halen fan of all time, but once Sammy joined the band, the live show became a canned, predictable and stale product.  Tour after tour, Sammy would sing the same 4 or 5 Roth era songs and then subject the crowd to his awful acoustic set (eagles fly :() Van Halen I through 1984 are all perfect albums, results with Sammy varied, with some good material on F.U.C.K and ou812.  Sammy couldnt give Roth's power to "the brown sound".  Long live Dave.  Check out DLRARMY.com


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: bmacsys on November 17, 2006, 04:22:36 PM
Sammy Hagar or David lee roth?

Van Halen was great. Van Hagar SUCKED. Without Diamond Dave Van Halen ceased to exist.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: bmacsys on November 17, 2006, 04:24:35 PM
best song?

panama?

Unchained, So this is Love, Little Dreamer, Atomic Punk, Outta Love, Dance the Night Away. The list goes on....


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: bmacsys on November 17, 2006, 04:25:33 PM


 Greatest vocalist? sebastian bach.

I hope you are kidding on this one? :o


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: bmacsys on November 17, 2006, 04:27:00 PM
u like judas priest or saxon?



You like songs like Heading out to the Highway or Hot Rockin?


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: bmacsys on November 17, 2006, 04:29:13 PM
Sammy is not in the band anymore.  He tours on his own and I've been to all of his solo tours since the departure from VH in 06.  He can still put on a great show and does his shows with Michael Anthony for at least half the show.  The band is ready to tour in 2007 with DLR as the lead singer.  Michael Anthony, the bass player, as of now will not tour with the band.  Eddie's son, so far, is slated to be the bass player for the tour.  They may also have a "guest" tour also as another bass player.

As far as which singer is the best...matter of opinion.  Sammy had better range but Dave could really entertain the crowd.  However, VH never debuted at #1 on the album charts till Sammy came along and 5150 was released.  Dave can't sing worth shit now, mostly talkes through all the songs (saw him this past summer).  But the tour will be entertaining.


They blew it with Dave when they fucked him over in 1996. I read DLR did say not too long ago he saw a reunion in the future. Why is Anthony out? Because he is buddies with hagar?


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: bmacsys on November 17, 2006, 04:34:52 PM
Here's a cool little known VH fact:

Marshal Berle used to manage VH-he's the nephew of Milton Berle.  Anyway rumor has it Dave didn't get along with him very well.  Dave's dad was a very wealthy Doctor and used his money to get Berle out of the picture.  The band then hired Niel Monk to manage him, Niel and Dave were very close.  Some people believed that Niel was hired with the sole intention of pushing Dave.

Eddie used to turn his back to the crowd when he did his solos so nobody could steal his technique.

Rumor has it that Ted Templeman pushed hard for Sammy Hagar to replace dave as far back as 1978.  He presented this to the band and they turned him down.  Wether this is true or not has never been confirmed but when Sammy and VH played a few festivals Ed went over and said "hi" to sam and told him he really dug the stuff sammy did with montrose.  Ed later said that dAve was all pissy about sammy.  Sam didn't even know that he was up for consideration until he joined the band.  Ed, Al, Sam and Mike talk about this alot in interviews from 86-88.

I don't believe the thing about trying to replace Roth in 1978. Thats just utter crap. For one thing Van Halens debut wasn't released until April of 1978 so why would there be talk of ditching Dave when they were just releasing a record he sang? Another thing: ROTH QUIT! He wasn't forced out. He was an EQUAL partner in Van Halen. He owned the Van Halen name as much as Eddie or Alex.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: bmacsys on November 17, 2006, 04:36:20 PM
Here's a cool little known VH fact:

Marshal Berle used to manage VH-he's the nephew of Milton Berle.  Anyway rumor has it Dave didn't get along with him very well.  Dave's dad was a very wealthy Doctor and used his money to get Berle out of the picture.  The band then hired Niel Monk to manage him, Niel and Dave were very close.  Some people believed that Niel was hired with the sole intention of pushing Dave.



Marshal Berle was Ratt's manager also.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: bmacsys on November 17, 2006, 04:37:15 PM
I think Gary's already said he won't show up....I'm not sure about that.  It's gonna be a mess no matter what.  Ed hates everybody these days but Alex and Al might be walking a thin line these days.  Al and Sam still talk from what I hear...that could land Al in outsville with everyone else.

Eddie and Alex are two strange dudes.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: windsor88 on November 17, 2006, 05:10:44 PM
Diamond Dave by far...

 Greatest front man of all time...Axl. Greatest lead guitarist? Slash...

 Greatest vocalist? sebastian bach.

DUDE...I just got tickets to see Sebastian Bach...kick ass vocalist for sure.  gotta new studio cd coming in 2007.  It has been forever since a studio release.  Skid Row is playing at the same place like a few days earlier.  How wierd.  Skid Row, now,  sux.

Oh yeah..saw Sammy and Dave on their tour.  I love Sammy but Dave is a way better showman.  Still got great pipes.  Montrose still rocks.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: mar10s on November 17, 2006, 06:41:50 PM
I actually think that DLR left the band.  Seems as though he thought he could do it all on his own, just my opinion.  Natural Al is right...the production on the Carnal Knowledge album is simply the greatest.  Those drums sound so damn clear...Pleasure Dome, thats a tough one to beat on the album.  Michael Anthony's voice in the backing vocals is key for that band to sound like Van Halen...without him, I dont think the harmony etc. would sound the same at all. 
I have some of the Inside magz as well, a lot of good stories in there.  I also have 1984 Trivia book which has some of the facts that have been posted..kind of a cool "book" to read.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 17, 2006, 06:44:08 PM
I don't believe the thing about trying to replace Roth in 1978. Thats just utter crap. For one thing Van Halens debut wasn't released until April of 1978 so why would there be talk of ditching Dave when they were just releasing a record he sang? Another thing: ROTH QUIT! He wasn't forced out. He was an EQUAL partner in Van Halen. He owned the Van Halen name as much as Eddie or Alex.

well both ted templeman and Donn Landee worked with Sam in the past as they were the production team for both montrose albums.  This is a story that was told by Ed, Al and Mike a bunch of times from 86-91, I'm pretty sure they talk about it on the 1986 MTV Van Halen Unleased special and on the Rockumentary specials.  Did it actually happen or are they talking shit?  I don't know.  Is it possible?  Sure it is.  Templeman and sam have worked together on numerous occasions, both montrose CD's, sammy's VOA cd, Ted sat in on some initial recordings for 5150 and Ted worked alot with Sam for all the lyrics and vocals for the Carnal Knowledge disk.  I've read that Ed and Dave NEVER got along...and I've also read that they did get along.  There is alot of "muddy" points that go along with VH, most of it is said after the fact so nobody really knows what's true and what isn't.

I believe Dave left on his own.  He had a movie going with CBS, you can probobly find the script for "Crazy From the heat"  somewhere on the net, I know it used to be on VHlinks before the site got hacked.  The band was very disfunctional from 80 on....I'm suprised they lasted as long as they did, Dave was a very overpowering presence..if half the stuff I've read about him is true then I'm suprised nobody shot the guy before he left.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 17, 2006, 06:47:11 PM
I actually think that DLR left the band.  Seems as though he thought he could do it all on his own, just my opinion.  Natural Al is right...the production on the Carnal Knowledge album is simply the greatest.  Those drums sound so damn clear...Pleasure Dome, thats a tough one to beat on the album.  Michael Anthony's voice in the backing vocals is key for that band to sound like Van Halen...without him, I dont think the harmony etc. would sound the same at all. 
I have some of the Inside magz as well, a lot of good stories in there.  I also have 1984 Trivia book which has some of the facts that have been posted..kind of a cool "book" to read.


the background vocals on "judgement day" are some of the best ever recorded, watch Live without a net sometime...Mike's voice is awsome.  It's totally absent on III.  Listen to "it's about time" the first time Sammy sings "Turn your clocks back" it has no backing vocals...then the rest of the times it does.  BIG difference.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on November 17, 2006, 06:55:30 PM
DLR.
despite being technically inferior to hagar, he was still the better frontman.

who gives a shit about them anyway? the entire bands was the eddie van halen show.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 17, 2006, 07:43:38 PM
DLR.
despite being technically inferior to hagar, he was still the better frontman.

who gives a shit about them anyway? the entire bands was the eddie van halen show.

ed needs a good frontman or else you get stuff like VH3 and the stuff he released a couple of months ago for his porn movies....with Sam they have to be getting along for the music to be good...with dave they have to hate each other for it to be good...anybody else and it just does not work....


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on November 17, 2006, 08:02:29 PM
David....















Chavez, "claims to be this great humanitarian for his people, yet they are starving with an unemployment rate of almost 80%"--Mr. IntenseLiarOne

I'm Mr. Intenseone and I approve this exaggeration!




Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: njflex on November 17, 2006, 08:34:15 PM
I think of some of alex's best drumming is from fair warning,the whole album is one rocker to the next san's push come's to shove ,which is still a cool tune.dirty movies drum beat is a alex classic.that also boast's some crazy evh riff's,and he still uses part's of those song's during his guitar solo.it's amazing he can play and still be sauced ,he lived a hard life booze wise.still the greatest ever.m.a bass solo's were funny never changed in 20 years's.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on November 18, 2006, 01:48:51 AM
EVH reamins to thismday one of the beat ever, his tapping skills are still unbeatred except for  aybe steve vai.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: UK Gold on November 18, 2006, 05:55:12 AM
DLR easily. The first couple of VH albums are essential for any party. Damn, the late seventies and eighties fucking ruled.
Van Halen/Van Halen
AC DC /back in black/flick of the switch
Whitesnake/ 1987
Def leappard/ hysteria/pyromania
Iron Maiden /number of the beast
Manowar /Kings of Metal
GNR /AFD
Motley Crue /shout at the devil
Judas Priest /Defenders of the faith/screaming for vengance/turbo
Savatage /gutter ballet
Thats the music i play when i have a party at mine [plus some Zepp of course]. None of this, "woe is me" bullshit. Music should make you want to fuck, drink and take drugs.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: pumpster on November 18, 2006, 08:08:17 AM
Pointless question but a good excuse to talk VH; DLR was the quintessential sight & sound of VH, Hagar wasn't in any respect. It's not about who was technically better, which completely misses the point. DLR's arguably the best frontman in rock history based on stage presence, attitude & talent. Better than more aclaimed legends who've benefitted from much longer careers & exposure touring with the same group.


Van Halen was discovered by Gene Simmons of Kiss. :o After a demo of songs produced on KISS's equipment, they went national touring with KISS-nice combo!



Quote
David Lee Roth IS Van Halen

not really.  If that was the case he'd have been a popular solo artist and he couldn't sell shit as far back as 88.
Silly; solo careers don't have much correlation to one's value in a group context. Too many examples of this that your tiny brain hasn't even considered, apparently. Besides which, he did well initially, which contradicts the thesis. Stupid. Other guy's right DLR IS VH (combined with Hagar).


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: bmacsys on November 18, 2006, 08:45:54 AM
 

About the 04 songs.  Waht you said was true but Ed and Al made Mike sign a waiver so he now has no rights to the VH name and he took a big pay cut to go out on the 04 tour.  Mike cannot do an appearance as "Van Halens Mike Anthony" at this point....he has no rights to the name and no say so to anything the band does.


Pay cut? How did Mike go from a founding band member to a paid side man?


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Grundle on November 18, 2006, 08:49:35 AM
well both ted templeman and Donn Landee worked with Sam in the past as they were the production team for both montrose albums.  This is a story that was told by Ed, Al and Mike a bunch of times from 86-91, I'm pretty sure they talk about it on the 1986 MTV Van Halen Unleased special and on the Rockumentary specials.  Did it actually happen or are they talking shit?  I don't know.  Is it possible?  Sure it is.  Templeman and sam have worked together on numerous occasions, both montrose CD's, sammy's VOA cd, Ted sat in on some initial recordings for 5150 and Ted worked alot with Sam for all the lyrics and vocals for the Carnal Knowledge disk.  I've read that Ed and Dave NEVER got along...and I've also read that they did get along.  There is alot of "muddy" points that go along with VH, most of it is said after the fact so nobody really knows what's true and what isn't.

I believe Dave left on his own.  He had a movie going with CBS, you can probobly find the script for "Crazy From the heat"  somewhere on the net, I know it used to be on VHlinks before the site got hacked.  The band was very disfunctional from 80 on....I'm suprised they lasted as long as they did, Dave was a very overpowering presence..if half the stuff I've read about him is true then I'm suprised nobody shot the guy before he left.


Valerie Bertinelli = Yoko Ono

Dave would have been around for another couple of albums without the meddling bitchwhore dragging Eddie around by his dick.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: pumpster on November 18, 2006, 08:52:42 AM
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Valerie Bertinelli = Yoko Ono

Hard to match Ono but you might be right.  :-X :-X


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: bmacsys on November 18, 2006, 08:52:51 AM
RAT SALAD!


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: bmacsys on November 18, 2006, 08:53:49 AM
Hard to match Ono but you might be right.  :-X :-X

We used to see Ono and Lennon walking in Central park when we were kids. Fuck, Ono was one ugly bitch.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: bmacsys on November 18, 2006, 08:58:00 AM
How is Roth's hair situation these days? I saw him on that Sam and Dave tour and DLR's hair looked kind of funky?


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Earl1972 on November 18, 2006, 09:07:11 AM
sammy hagar by far

E


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: pumpster on November 18, 2006, 09:14:51 AM
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We used to see Ono and Lennon walking in Central park when we were kids. f**k, Ono was one ugly bitch.

Obviously Lennon was missing some brain matter-Yoko Ono was originally an ardent groupie that most rational people would stay away from. The *last* person to take seriously, but he did.  ::)

Ugliness amplified by the horrible personality.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Grundle on November 18, 2006, 09:19:41 AM
sammy hagar by far

E

Earl,

I hate to keep busting your balls man, but saying Sammy Hagar is the better front man of Van Halen is tantamount to telling the world you love teh cock.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 18, 2006, 09:35:35 AM

Valerie Bertinelli = Yoko Ono

Dave would have been around for another couple of albums without the meddling bitchwhore dragging Eddie around by his dick.

val didn't have anything to do with it.  Dave was pissed that she wanted to meet eddie backstage the first time she went to see them.

Dave did it to himself, he quit, he did a solo cd, he had a movie deal with CBS films, he had an ego the size of the moon.  His ego destroyed his first solo band, driving away billy sheehan then steve vai...getting rid of templeman....it goes on and on..

How is Roth's hair situation these days? I saw him on that Sam and Dave tour and DLR's hair looked kind of funky?

it's not good.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: bmacsys on November 18, 2006, 09:40:56 AM
val didn't have anything to do with it.  Dave was pissed that she wanted to meet eddie backstage the first time she went to see them.

Dave did it to himself, he quit, he did a solo cd, he had a movie deal with CBS films, he had an ego the size of the moon.  His ego destroyed his first solo band, driving away billy sheehan then steve vai...getting rid of templeman....it goes on and on..

it's not good.

Al, was anyone "normal" in VH? I saw Roth on tv a while back in an interview and all he did was blink. He sure was acting goofy. I get the distinct impression Alex and especially Edward are eccentric.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: pumpster on November 18, 2006, 10:01:48 AM
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Al, was anyone "normal" in VH? I saw Roth on tv a while back in an interview and all he did was blink. He sure was acting goofy. I get the distinct impression Alex and especially Edward are eccentric.
Listened to DLR almost every day during his recent brief radio tenure here in NY. Very easy to see he'd be a load: overpowering, a little out of control, seemingly with ADD & a little out there-all reminiscent of Tommy Lee. Interesting but exhausting.

Which is exactly why they're both great on stage-the energy can grate in conversation but is perfect for the stage.Got good reviews for this past summer's tour.

http://www.davidleeroth.com/


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 18, 2006, 10:13:46 AM
Al, was anyone "normal" in VH? I saw Roth on tv a while back in an interview and all he did was blink. He sure was acting goofy. I get the distinct impression Alex and especially Edward are eccentric.

if you go to youtube and look for a special they did on mtv called van halen unleashed.  Everybody seemed normal from 86-93, ed seemed normal in all the interviews I've read from him up until 93.  Sam and Mike are still pretty cool when they sit down and talk to an interviewer.  They all acted like best friends up until 95..there is a whole lot of stuff that i could type up here to explain why everything went to shit in 94-95 and then went to complete shit after that.  Ed's fuckin nuts now, he did an interview with stern a few weeks ago and I wanted to punch him in the face.  DAve has been nuts for so long that I don't have a problem with him.  I know wht he's gonna do.  Al is a wierd dude, I'll leave it at that.

here's the first part of unleashed, this is the van halen I know and love...it'll never be like this again :-[ :-[ :-[

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wtE2z9OMiI

everybody seems totally normal...


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: pumpster on November 18, 2006, 10:14:57 AM
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everybody seems totally normal...

On-camera behavior for a few minutes while sober's hardly indicative..


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 18, 2006, 10:17:02 AM
On-camera behavior for a few minutes is hardly indicative..

I'm talking years and years of consistant behavior.  I have hundreds of taped interviews, hundreds of magazine interviews...could they be faking it?  maybe for a little while but for 11 years?  I doubt it.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 18, 2006, 10:20:10 AM
watch at about 7:30 seconds in...al talks about Sam being discussed as front man for the band back in 78ish....


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: pumpster on November 18, 2006, 10:25:19 AM
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I have hundreds of taped interviews, hundreds of magazine interviews...could they be faking it?

Almost all of their problems were back stage or behind the scenes.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 18, 2006, 10:26:47 AM
Almost all of their problems were back stage or behind the scenes.

not until ed lefler died.  Once he was gone then you're probably right but they were friends up until that point.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 18, 2006, 11:09:54 AM
http://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/sammyhagar.html

good sammy interview.  He talks alot about the current state of affairs in VH,  Livin it up is a decent CD, not like anything he's ever done before, it's more countyish...it'll make ya smile but I'd rather see him rockin.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 18, 2006, 11:21:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpACZS0vSO4&mode=related&search=

here's ed these days...watch the end and remember he's a total alchoholic and he had cancer..smokin and drinkin...lookin pathetic..very angry dude.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: bmacsys on November 18, 2006, 01:51:50 PM
Listened to DLR almost every day during his recent brief radio tenure here in NY. Very easy to see he'd be a load: overpowering, a little out of control, seemingly with ADD & a little out there-all reminiscent of Tommy Lee. Interesting but exhausting.

Which is exactly why they're both great on stage-the energy can grate in conversation but is perfect for the stage.Got good reviews for this past summer's tour.

http://www.davidleeroth.com/

Diamond Dave is looking pretty light in the loafers in those pics. Its a far cry from his Van Halen glory days.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: bmacsys on November 18, 2006, 01:54:48 PM
Van Halen went to shit when Eddie Van Halen got into his keyboard fetish. Van Halen is all about power chords and guitar solos.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: pumpster on November 18, 2006, 02:39:08 PM
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Diamond Dave is looking pretty light in the loafers in those pics. Its a far cry from his Van Halen glory days.

Easy to become an eccentric with money & some degree of isolation from reality. He lives here in Chinatown.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: mar10s on November 18, 2006, 03:01:40 PM
Van Halen went to shit when Eddie Van Halen got into his keyboard fetish. Van Halen is all about power chords and guitar solos.

Speaking of which, I've read that Ed doing keyboards/synth. was one thing Dave really did not care for...Al, got anything on that?  If I'm not mistaken, I think they were using keyboards as early as WACF...you can hear em' on "And The Cradle Will Rock", towards the end of the first guitar solo.

Hey Al, anyway of sharing etc of any of those demos with "Voodoo Queen" "Leave Me Alone" etc?


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Grundle on November 18, 2006, 03:25:22 PM
I love Eddie, his music was the soundtrack to my life, but for the record, he is CERTIFIABLE.  He went on record as saying his throat cancer had nothing to do with smoking two packs a day and drinking like a sailor for 30 years, but rather had to do with the electromagnetic field in his studio conducting off a guitar pick in his mouth.  Monster pathological.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: pumpster on November 18, 2006, 03:27:18 PM
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I love Eddie, his music was the soundtrack to my life, but for the record, he is CERTIFIABLE.  He went on record as saying his throat cancer had nothing to do with smoking two packs a day and drinking like a sailor for 30 years, but rather had to do with electromagnetic field in his studio conducting off a guitar pick in his mouth.  Monster pathological.
Talent allows guys who are otherwise 5 years old to thrive. He sounds like a waste of air.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 18, 2006, 04:24:14 PM
Speaking of which, I've read that Ed doing keyboards/synth. was one thing Dave really did not care for...Al, got anything on that?  If I'm not mistaken, I think they were using keyboards as early as WACF...you can hear em' on "And The Cradle Will Rock", towards the end of the first guitar solo.

Hey Al, anyway of sharing etc of any of those demos with "Voodoo Queen" "Leave Me Alone" etc?

the entire main riff for cradle is done on keyboards through eddies old marshal stack, don't ask me how they did it but that's what it is.  A couple of songs on Fair Warnings were written on keyboards and played on guitar.

I can't go into alot right now, gotta get the kids to bed but Dave did not like the keyboards, the band in reality only recorded a handful of songs with keyboards but those were the ones that got put on radio so that's what everyone associates Van Hagar with, they only recorded like 8 keyboard songs...

I tried to upload a couple of mp3's earlier but it wouldn't let me....


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: windsor88 on November 18, 2006, 07:32:29 PM
hey al,  you got a link for that Eddie interview with Stern from a few weeks ago? 

Thanks man.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Debussey on November 18, 2006, 07:46:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpACZS0vSO4&mode=related&search=

here's ed these days...watch the end and remember he's a total alchoholic and he had cancer..smokin and drinkin...lookin pathetic..very angry dude.

That was some terrible guitar playing.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: njflex on November 18, 2006, 09:25:20 PM
I flipped around some of those u tube's .some classic live track's with dlr,he was talking and not singing half of the time and that was at his peak,but a great showman,ed's solo's are insane,check out the ou812 solo from tokyo :o


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: windsor88 on November 18, 2006, 10:54:42 PM
hey al,  you got a link for that Eddie interview with Stern from a few weeks ago? 

Thanks man.

Nevermind I read a few articles.

The thing about Dave coming back will not last.  Hell,  it was bad enough with the 2 brothers...now you got all three blood related. And Wolfgang aint gonna have no balls so he will be daddy's bitch.   Shit man..forget about it.  Wont make it past rehearsals. 


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 18, 2006, 11:21:17 PM
hey al,  you got a link for that Eddie interview with Stern from a few weeks ago? 

Thanks man.

I don't have one anymore, I deleted my mp3.  It might not mean much to a casual fan but he said some stuff that was just out of line about Mike.

BTw-and the cradle will rock is a wulitzer electric piano through eddie's old marshal amp.  Dave was so stressed about Ed playing keyboards that they used to have Mike play it in concert, there are a couple of video's of them "performing" it on tv and they are lip synching..it's pretty bad.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Grundle on November 19, 2006, 12:53:38 AM
I don't have one anymore, I deleted my mp3.  It might not mean much to a casual fan but he said some stuff that was just out of line about Mike.

BTw-and the cradle will rock is a wulitzer electric piano through eddie's old marshal amp.  Dave was so stressed about Ed playing keyboards that they used to have Mike play it in concert, there are a couple of video's of them "performing" it on tv and they are lip synching..it's pretty bad.

Al,

have you heard eddie's recent comments? I love the man for the brlliance he produced, but the fuggen dude is out of his mind.  For years I didnt know who to blame the breakup on, conventional wisdom was that Dave was a dick. But it is clear now, (if it wasnt before) that Eddie is absolutely insane and no one could possibly put up with it forever.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on November 19, 2006, 02:53:19 AM
I use to love old Van Halen but their time has come and gone. You can't pick up where you left off 20 years ago. Dave's voice is dead, the old yelps and screams sound like lame weezing now. Eddie is definatly out of his mind, the booze has mashed his brain into pudding. Basically, Van Halens whole routine didnt change after 1980, the guitar solos all sound the same, Dave's comments were getting old and so forth.

I got a chance to see Van Hagar and it was without a doubt the lamest show I ever saw. The sound was so low I could whisper to my buddy without a problem. There was no big light show, Sammy bored the audience to tears with his solo tunes and overall the energy coming from the guys was at the nill level.

Its great to still hear their old stuff but a reunion with Dave is nothing more then a cash grab and I think the result will leave fans dissappointed, much like the Sammy reunion tour did.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 19, 2006, 05:21:36 AM
Al,

have you heard eddie's recent comments? I love the man for the brlliance he produced, but the fuggen dude is out of his mind.  For years I didnt know who to blame the breakup on, conventional wisdom was that Dave was a dick. But it is clear now, (if it wasnt before) that Eddie is absolutely insane and no one could possibly put up with it forever.

yeah, i heard all the stuff ed is saying now.  Ed didn't start getting really wierd until Ed Lefler died in 94.  Lefler was the bands manager for most of the Hagar run.  Once Lefler died they got a guy named Ray Daniels..if you even say his name on VH message boards people loose thier minds.  he's credited for destroying VH, he drove Sam out, messed with DAve and brought in Gary.  After VHIII failed ed went really nuts.  What he was saying on stern pissed me off pretty bad, I don't know why but refusing to refer to mike as Mike Anthony and calling him sobeliewski-sp-really pissed me off.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 19, 2006, 06:42:14 AM
cool rockin song from the sammy era:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiORD7FPJSg

and an old unreleased song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTwNE79c4D0

I think this is from the 25 song demo they did for warner right before VH1 was released.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 19, 2006, 06:46:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYeUxwcJ0lU

from thier appearance on the jon stewart show in august of 95 right around the last time I saw them before the split.  check out the ending jam, it kicks ass.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: bmacsys on November 19, 2006, 10:20:01 AM
I love Eddie, his music was the soundtrack to my life, but for the record, he is CERTIFIABLE.  He went on record as saying his throat cancer had nothing to do with smoking two packs a day and drinking like a sailor for 30 years, but rather had to do with the electromagnetic field in his studio conducting off a guitar pick in his mouth.  Monster pathological.

Guitar picks are plastic. They aren't conductive. The guy is a nut. Anybody who gets his tongue cut off them pick up the deathsticks again is a nutjob.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: bmacsys on November 19, 2006, 10:25:07 AM
yeah, i heard all the stuff ed is saying now.  Ed didn't start getting really wierd until Ed Lefler died in 94.  Lefler was the bands manager for most of the Hagar run.  Once Lefler died they got a guy named Ray Daniels..if you even say his name on VH message boards people loose thier minds.  he's credited for destroying VH, he drove Sam out, messed with DAve and brought in Gary.  After VHIII failed ed went really nuts.  What he was saying on stern pissed me off pretty bad, I don't know why but refusing to refer to mike as Mike Anthony and calling him sobeliewski-sp-really pissed me off.

The manager brought in Cherone? Wouldn't Eddie and Alex make that decision? What is a "sobeliewski" Makes you wonder if these guys in bands really ever have true friendships or it was just 4 guys playing together since they were kids?


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 19, 2006, 11:32:27 AM
The manager brought in Cherone? Wouldn't Eddie and Alex make that decision? What is a "sobeliewski" Makes you wonder if these guys in bands really ever have true friendships or it was just 4 guys playing together since they were kids?

sobeliewski is Mike Anthony's real name.  Ed is all caught up in Sammy selling his Cabo Wabo Tequila and Mike makes a Hot sauce.  One of the stipulations of the last tour was that they couldn't sell the stuff at van halen shows, problem was some of the venue's were already selling it so Ed lost his mind a couple of times.  Ed kept on calling Mike by sauce sobeliewski in the stern interveiws and said he doesn't care what sobeliewski does cause he ain't in van halen anymore.

Ed's a pretty easy guy to manipulate and Daniels had alot to do with cherone being in the band.  There's a guy out there named Mitch Malloy who was originally going to replace sammy.  He says ed told him he was in the band and next thing he knew he was out and Gary was in.  Ed's said in alot of interviews that when he first heard Gary's audition tape he thought it was a joke it was so bad but Daniels insisted that he come down to the studio and spend a couple of days with the guys...then poof!!  Gary was the best thing since sliced bread according to Ed.

Sass Jordan was supposed to be in the band after Sam also but it fell through....


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Earl1972 on November 19, 2006, 11:54:32 AM
Earl,

I hate to keep busting your balls man, but saying Sammy Hagar is the better front man of Van Halen is tantamount to telling the world you love teh cock.

you bust my balls because I own you

liking hagar over david lee means I have better taste 8)

E



Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on November 19, 2006, 12:00:08 PM


Sass Jordan was supposed to be in the band after Sam also but it fell through....

Sass Jordan jammed with the guys but even according to her, she was never suppose to be in the band.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 19, 2006, 12:03:59 PM
more on Ray daniels.

Ed Lefler died in 1993, I believe right after the end of the Right Here Right Now World Tour.  Van Halen had released 3 straight number one cd's with Sammy and a top 5 double platnium live album.  things get really fucked up at this point.  Sam was getting a divorce and his wife at the time wanted half of everything he had.  About that time Geffen records approached Sam to do a greatest hits of his geffen era stuff.  Sam agreed to record 2 new songs for 500,000 which he used to pay his wife off, she agreed to a lump sum payement-I think it was 500,000, I'd have to go back and reread a bunch of interviews so if the number is wrong, sue me.  you get the point.

Anyway Sam records High Hopes and Buying My Way Into Heaven for his Unboxed collection.  Supposedly Ed and Al had a big problem with this and thought Hagar was either testing the waters to be a solo artist or he was making money behind the bands back.  The band was also looking at new management and a bunch of big name managers were in the mix.  The guy that managed aerosmith was one of sammy's choices.  Sam figured a VH-Aerosmith combo would be unbeatable, they were 2 of the top acts in hard rock at the time.  Something happened that freaked that guy out and he pulled out of the running-I think Ed flipped out and shaved his head while the guy was with him-remember Ed had short hair for Balance.  Then Ed and Al started pushing Daniels, Sam had heard horror stories about the guy.  People at MTV didn't like him and I believe Ed lefler even told Sam don't let that guy manage you guys if I go.  they fought about it for a little while and Ed and Al won.  Ray rewrote stuff on thier contract so he started getting royalties for all the stuff VH had done.....he got royalties for stuff he had nothing to do with.  REmember in 95 all these "vintage" vh shirts started showing up?  

anyway the band starts recording Balance and there were alot of problems, Sam had his publishing done seperatly so Ray Daniels wouldn't get any share of his money.  

VH releases balance and does a world tour, huge in the US but played second fiddle to Bon Jovi in Europe.  The tour is very long and hard ont he band.  Alex ends up having neck problems-if you see the PPV special they did you can see him wearing a neck brace.  Ed's hip is trashed and he's "sober" for the first time on tour.  Sam is sick for alot of the tour.  For the first time the band travels seprerate and has seperate dressing rooms, sam and mike in one and ed and al in another.  Videos get no airplay on MTV...

the tour ended and the band was supposed to take a break so Ed coudl get a hip replacement and Al coudl let his neck heal.  Sam got remarried and got his new wife pregnant somewhere in there.....

anyway Sam gets a call that the band wants to do 2 songs for the movei Twister.  They record 2 songs, actually 3...humans being-which was originally recorded as The Silent Extreme and another song called Between Us Two.  Ed didn't like Sam's lyrics for between us two and told him if he didn't resing them he'd consider Sam out of the band.  Sam flew in-he was in hawaii with his wife who was 8 months pregnant with a breech baby and re did them.  Then he found out that Between Us Two was being pulled off of Twister for a greatest hits CD......

anyway Ed then called up Sammy on Fathers day of 1996 and depending on who you believe fired sam or sam quit, sam says ed was drunk off his ass....I believe SAm :)

that's a very condesned version and Ray had alot to do with the downfall of VH....it would take me days to type out everything that i know about this stuff..or that I've read and believe to be true, Mike anthony confirmed some stuff earlier this year in a japaneese interview..


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 19, 2006, 12:05:24 PM
Sass Jordan jammed with the guys but even according to her, she was never suppose to be in the band.

I've read 2 or 3 different things about that... I've heard that Ed told her if she didn't have tits she would have been in VH...I've heard that Alex wanted to work with her from a production standpoint....I thought I heard her say the thing about the tits...this was a few years ago so I might be wrong.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 19, 2006, 12:08:53 PM
http://www.guitars101.com/vb/music-hall/22489-sammy-hagar-book-excerpts-chapters-19-20-a.html

these are 2 chapters from a book Sam supposedly did a few years ago.  Lots of VH stuff plus if you register they have a ton of VH bootlegs you can download.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on November 19, 2006, 12:40:37 PM
http://www.guitars101.com/vb/music-hall/22489-sammy-hagar-book-excerpts-chapters-19-20-a.html

these are 2 chapters from a book Sam supposedly did a few years ago.  Lots of VH stuff plus if you register they have a ton of VH bootlegs you can download.

And after all that, Sammy still did a reunion tour with Van Halen so what does that say about him?


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 19, 2006, 12:46:39 PM
And after all that, Sammy still did a reunion tour with Van Halen so what does that say about him?

depends.  He said when he found out ed had cancer he decided they should do it one last time for the fans.  He met with alex and everything was great, no hard feelings between the 2.  It was good when he talked to Ed initially as well.  Things went to shit pretty quickly but the wheels were already in motion......

Sam still says things are good betwen him and Alex and sam and Mike get along real well...seems like Ed is the problem...


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Grundle on November 19, 2006, 02:11:22 PM
Just watched that "Catherine" studio cut on Youtube. My god, Ed is destroying his legacy with this kind of mediocrity! Lol at the comment "that's it Ed, smoke that cancer away!".


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: AVBG on November 19, 2006, 03:15:54 PM
Just watched that "Catherine" studio cut on Youtube. My god, Ed is destroying his legacy with this kind of mediocrity! Lol at the comment "that's it Ed, smoke that cancer away!".

whats the link?


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Grundle on November 19, 2006, 03:30:42 PM
whats the link?


Just type "catherine" and eddie van halen, should come up on Youtube.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 19, 2006, 03:37:47 PM
Just watched that "Catherine" studio cut on Youtube. My god, Ed is destroying his legacy with this kind of mediocrity! Lol at the comment "that's it Ed, smoke that cancer away!".

one of the funnier things in that video is when they show Ed playing the drums.....I'm pretty sure it's a drum machine there ed....


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Grundle on November 19, 2006, 07:42:02 PM
Al, as I'm sure your well aware, Patty Smith was Ed's first choice to replace Dave after the breakup.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: njflex on November 19, 2006, 08:02:27 PM
When thing's were rosy between ed and hagar they were neighbor's and vh for three albulm's 5150 to f.u.c.k were like 4 gradeschooler's smiling,prank's ,busting horn's,then balance and all the fighting after and the dismissal or quitting?GARY CHERONE had no right being in van halan,his crap band extreme could not touch vh.the right thing was too let the 96 dlr attemt,and twister and greatest hit's run it's course and regroup,but no 10 year's they reform for reunion,i went it had it's moment's but too little too late.they all seemed to be playing just not together,like a high priced garage band.their legacy is cemented,it's just a bit cracked :'(


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on November 19, 2006, 08:32:40 PM
Extreme sucked but Nuno was an awsome guitar player.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 20, 2006, 04:10:08 AM
Al, as I'm sure your well aware, Patty Smith was Ed's first choice to replace Dave after the breakup.

yeah, I heard that for years.  Ed supposedly had a huge "crush" on her, not sure how that would have worked out with Val and everything, probably not very well.

When thing's were rosy between ed and hagar they were neighbor's and vh for three albulm's 5150 to f.u.c.k were like 4 gradeschooler's smiling,prank's ,busting horn's,then balance and all the fighting after and the dismissal or quitting?GARY CHERONE had no right being in van halan,his crap band extreme could not touch vh.the right thing was too let the 96 dlr attemt,and twister and greatest hit's run it's course and regroup,but no 10 year's they reform for reunion,i went it had it's moment's but too little too late.they all seemed to be playing just not together,like a high priced garage band.their legacy is cemented,it's just a bit cracked :'(


I'm pretty sure Ed fired Sam.  With the 04 tour it was either hit or miss depending on how drunk Eddie was.  I've never heard anyone say a bad word on how Alex or Mike played.  You get the hardcore DLR fans that rag sammy but aside from them he got pretty high marks for the tour.  Ed started off really well from the bootlegs that i have but around the mid-way part the shows started to get really iffy.  There is a boot of the last show of the tour and the title was supposed to be "a tale of 2 eddie's" because they have the soundcheck and eddie is right on then when they start the actual show you can't tell what the hell he's playing half the time, at the end he smashes his guitar and says something into the microphone aimed at Mike and Sam..you can't really make it out but people have said that he says "because of you two van halen is dead" or something like that...look for the clip on youtube.



Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: njflex on November 20, 2006, 05:50:36 AM
natural al.i thought i liked vh and knew alot,u got me beat .i lost my way a bit ,i still enjoy all their music exceptVH3,that's where van halen jumped the shark.i have never ,ever listened to that cd,this is a great topic and all post's well written and read.u could see eddie's anger and disdain start in 96 interview after the mtv dlr debacle when roth was clowning and making face's when they were introduced,eddie said next time he make's a fool of me he better be wearing a cup.supposedly roth made it about him and not all of vh.the stone's individually are all over the place too,but touring they can on stage work it together,can vh do it.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 20, 2006, 06:01:57 AM
natural al.i thought i liked vh and knew alot,u got me beat .i lost my way a bit ,i still enjoy all their music exceptVH3,that's where van halen jumped the shark.i have never ,ever listened to that cd,this is a great topic and all post's well written and read.u could see eddie's anger and disdain start in 96 interview after the mtv dlr debacle when roth was clowning and making face's when they were introduced,eddie said next time he make's a fool of me he better be wearing a cup.supposedly roth made it about him and not all of vh.the stone's individually are all over the place too,but touring they can on stage work it together,can vh do it.

Dave told ed backstage after a reporter asked ed about his hip "tonight's about me man, not about your f'n hip" and that's when Ed told him he better be wearing a cup.

could they go onstage and pull it off?  The shows in 04 were hit or miss, depending on how drunk Ed was.  Sam, Mike and Al all played real well every night.  Dave in a reality can't sing like he used to, I've seen him a bunch of times and I never really got all excited by him, it's not 1984 anymore...or 1986..to me Dave's act is old and tired.  Bottom line if you put Ed and Dave together for an extended period of time it's gonna blow up, might be a week, might be a month but it's gonna happen.   they couldn't stand each other on the 84 tour and they made it through, I don't think it would be that way today.  It's a disaster waiting to happen.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: njflex on November 20, 2006, 06:48:17 AM
I want to appreciate their greatness as a whole act,not a alex ,eddie and whoever on bass and vocal's.roth if he is focused and not just on the paycheck could do ok,sing/talk his way thru,partying is not his problem he was never an addict.eddie on the other hand is shot and it really is upsetting for all his talent ,in the 80's the whole party band thing is fun and too a teenager a cool image ,but closing in on fifty it is called killing yourself slowly :'(.i saw the reunion and liked it ,in jersey though the first 8 song's the p.a at the meadowland's was literally shrieking,second half show was great ,but it ended and i was like 10year's for this and over,i leave a u2 show and i am spent ,their energy is unreal and the crowd embraces them like they know them their whole lives.u2 is my other favorite band,i've followed them as long as vh.2 totally different animals,but the music still hit's u.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on November 20, 2006, 08:25:51 AM
yeah, I heard that for years.  Ed supposedly had a huge "crush" on her, not sure how that would have worked out with Val and everything, probably not very well.


I'm pretty sure Ed fired Sam.  With the 04 tour it was either hit or miss depending on how drunk Eddie was.  I've never heard anyone say a bad word on how Alex or Mike played.  You get the hardcore DLR fans that rag sammy but aside from them he got pretty high marks for the tour.  Ed started off really well from the bootlegs that i have but around the mid-way part the shows started to get really iffy.  There is a boot of the last show of the tour and the title was supposed to be "a tale of 2 eddie's" because they have the soundcheck and eddie is right on then when they start the actual show you can't tell what the hell he's playing half the time, at the end he smashes his guitar and says something into the microphone aimed at Mike and Sam..you can't really make it out but people have said that he says "because of you two van halen is dead" or something like that...look for the clip on youtube.



You can hear the same thing on So This Is Love in the Buenos Aires video with Dave. Ed's guitar playing sucks ass, most of his notes are way off, he must have been drunk as can be.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Grundle on November 20, 2006, 11:19:12 AM
You can hear the same thing on So This Is Love in the Buenos Aires video with Dave. Ed's guitar playing sucks ass, most of his notes are way off, he must have been drunk as can be.

So true.  For years, the conventional wisdom was that Dave being drunk and muffing lyrics was the biggest problem with the live show, but if you watch old concert footage, its clear Ed went onstage fahqed up plenty and sometimes just mangled songs.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 20, 2006, 01:13:15 PM
So true.  For years, the conventional wisdom was that Dave being drunk and muffing lyrics was the biggest problem with the live show, but if you watch old concert footage, its clear Ed went onstage fahqed up plenty and sometimes just mangled songs.

Like I said, I've got literally hundreds of bootlegs and the really early stuff they sound really good on, pre VH1 is all good.  I thought everyone sucked on the US fest, I have a couple of shows from fair warnings and they're ok.  I've got 2 or 3 shows from 1984 and they're almost unlistenable at times, they're all audience recordings but they're terrible.  The band sounded alot better on the 5150 tour, I don't know if it was a different sound system or what.  I've also got Dave live in Fresno form 86 and it's good but I've got video from him in Detroit and it's terrible...bootlegs are pretty much all over the place.  Every recording I have from the FUCK and Balance tours are awsome sound wise....teh 04 tour is all over the place.  Dave was terrible in 94 but better in 02.  Sam has sounded great everytime I've seen him, he can't hit all the notes anymore but his voice is in pretty good shape....


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: Grundle on November 20, 2006, 03:48:51 PM
Like I said, I've got literally hundreds of bootlegs and the really early stuff they sound really good on, pre VH1 is all good.  I thought everyone sucked on the US fest, I have a couple of shows from fair warnings and they're ok.  I've got 2 or 3 shows from 1984 and they're almost unlistenable at times, they're all audience recordings but they're terrible.  The band sounded alot better on the 5150 tour, I don't know if it was a different sound system or what.  I've also got Dave live in Fresno form 86 and it's good but I've got video from him in Detroit and it's terrible...bootlegs are pretty much all over the place.  Every recording I have from the f**k and Balance tours are awsome sound wise....teh 04 tour is all over the place.  Dave was terrible in 94 but better in 02.  Sam has sounded great everytime I've seen him, he can't hit all the notes anymore but his voice is in pretty good shape....

Sound quality was always good in the Van Hagar era, but the shows were cut and dry, predictable, dull.  I'll take a few flubbed lines or a missed note here and there if it means I get back the raw power and emotion of the Roth era.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on November 21, 2006, 01:06:43 PM
Sound quality was always good in the Van Hagar era, but the shows were cut and dry, predictable, dull.  I'll take a few flubbed lines or a missed note here and there if it means I get back the raw power and emotion of the Roth era.

the balance tour and the 04 tour were very predictable.  the tours with hagar prior to that were pretty good, they played alot of cool covers and did a ton of jams, I've got them doing zepplin songs, rolling stone songs, montrose, cream, the who...lots of stuff.  this went on right up until the balance tour and then it was pretty predictalbe.  Ever hear Wildthing form the 86 tour?  Very cool..or heartbreak hotel from the diver down tour?


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: AVBG on February 26, 2007, 02:51:03 PM
Sammy..  :D


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on February 26, 2007, 06:48:33 PM
Sammy

Of course you would say that, you douchebag queer.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: AVBG on February 26, 2007, 07:15:58 PM
Of course you would say that, you douchebag queer.

who's your favorite? Cherone ? ;D


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: natural al on February 27, 2007, 05:20:16 AM
who's your favorite? Cherone ? ;D

I just loaded a bunch of III stuff onto my IPOD, live stuff like Romeo Delight and Mean Streets...they did a radio broadcast from Philly I think so it's CD quality stuff.

man, it's almost unlistenable at some points.  What the hell were they thinking with this stuff? 

If you want to hear a great CD go out and get yourself Marching to Mars by Hagar from 97, awsome from begining to end.  Check out a song called leaving the Warmth of the Womb-it was pesented by Sam to VH for what would have been the next VH CD and Eddie loved it.  Sam ended up recording it with Montrose, it's just a bad ass song.  Lots of great stuff on there.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on February 27, 2007, 10:48:47 AM
who's your favorite? Cherone ? ;D

Roth, you yard ape.


Title: Re: Who was the better Van Halen frontman?
Post by: OKMike on February 27, 2007, 12:08:25 PM
DLR!