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Getbig Female Info Boards => Open Talk for Girl Discussion => Topic started by: Cap on December 03, 2006, 10:01:10 AM
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Feel sorry for stay-at-home moms who complain about the difficulty of their lives? I know many woman who have husbands who work a lot of hours plus overtime and get bitched out by their wives about how hard their days are. I'm not saying these women don't do anything but is it fair to the man to get this type of treatment? I don't think it would be fair if the roles were reversed. Please give me some honest opinions. BTW, Everybody Loves Raymond inspired this discussion but I have seen real examples of this stuff.
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you wanna meet my mother?
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walk a mile in the shoes darlin.
motherhood is not for sissies. ;)
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walk a mile in the shoes darlin.
motherhood is not for sissies. ;)
yep, sorry I'm sure that's how come I never bothered.
Or else it's like i didn't meet the right man.
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mean it
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these shoes
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walk a mile in the shoes darlin.
motherhood is not for sissies. ;)
I thought it was extremely common and what most women do?
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I don't feel sorry for anyone. I simply hate it though at 3:30 when they're coming home from playschool and I'm the only woman on the road without a pushchair.
They try to take me out, they even veer sideways.
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Linda
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going to the office is something anybody, man or woman, can do. not just anybody can be a mommy. toughest, most demanding job in the world. it's also got to be the most rewarding.
I think if an at-homer is 'bitching' to hubby at the end of the day it's because while he gets Starbuck's breaks, sick/time off days, and generally clocks his 40 hrs (maybe a few more if overtime is involved) and calls his week done, mommyhood is 24/7 for at-homers.
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There is no reason to feel sorry for women who decided to stay home and then bitch about how hard their lives are, since, except in the case where the BC failed, you would think it was an active choice. Having worked from home, and having several friends who are stay at home moms, I do have a theory as to why it happens.
Women who had kids very early and never really saw what the work place is, tend to not understand the stress and pressure of having to earn for a family, get reamed by teh boss, worry about office back stabbing, etc... They don't always get it, especially if husband-love doesn't share his probs.
When you are the outside worker, you can leave at whatever time, and expect to come home and receive some nurturing, love, care, etc... when you are the one working in the house, nobody's really nurturing you, since that's your primary function. There is no flopping on the couch at 7:00 and shutting everything out. And when all you get is "where's the food and where's my dry cleaning," and little love and affection in return, the stay at home gets grouchy.
Plus, when the stay at home becomes the primary "boss" of the house, always having to remind the other to take care of their responsibilities, the romance kind of goes...
When I worked at home (which didn't require meeting people or going to meetings) I started to get a little weird. Things you would just shrug off as nothing or not worth bothering about when you work because 800 things happen in a day, suddenly took on a whole new meaning... because I had way too much time to think about them. Sometimes I hear my girlfriends bitching or getting upset about miniscule things and I hold the phone away from my ear, thinking girl get real... people are starving elsewhere. But it can easily happen.
Probably the best case scenario is being able to stay at home but also have some kind of interest... whether it's training, volunteering, or some kind of part time gig that brings you into contact with other people.
So here's a question... how come so many of the guys I work with who have wives and multiple children hang around the office way late, even when they have nothing to do, and are obviously just wasting time? Is it because they don't want to go home and help? ;D
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deedee, you can't waste time or money, just spend it.
I need to come back to your post
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where the BC failed
please translate? what's the BC? is that the birthing council?
It's not British Columbia or Before Christ is it?
etc.
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please translate? what's the BC? is that the birthing council?
It's not British Colombia or Before Christ is it?
etc.
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Birth control, silly gel... ;)
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There is no reason to feel sorry for women
Women who had kids very early and never really saw what the work place is, tend to not understand the stress and pressure of having to earn for a family
I realise I'm getting upset and may have a rant. Here in England they give single mums a free flat.
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please translate? what's the BC? is that the birthing council?
It's not British Columbia or Before Christ is it?
etc.
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Umm... bloomin condom??
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dayum!! you guys all replied within a space on 30 seconds!! :'(
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Birth control, silly gel... ;)
I obviously should have known. I've never taken a risk with that in my life ever.
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yep I've lost it now. gotta scroll.
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Umm... bloomin condom??
hooooooooo
ha ha ha
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dayum!! you guys all replied within a space on 30 seconds!! :'(
lol, yours was the best. ;D
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zero lip
Zero lip? What the heck is this? The early 1900's when a woman should stay at home barefoot, pregnant, and silent unless she is on her back? Whatever. ::)
Tell you what, do a little role reversal and you try staying at home with children and tell me how you feel at the end of the day.
I only know from babysitting and from teaching teenagers all day, but being around kids and entertaining them, disciplining them, cleaning them, feeding them, teaching them responsibilities and respect and the ways of the world is not an easy job. It's a priceless one.
Amazing.
The ones who take care of our future are paid the least. Mothers and teachers.
I see we have our priorities straight in this world.
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dayum!! you guys all replied within a space on 30 seconds!! :'(
Isn't it amazing that I can sit here across the Atlantic and gossip with you 5 or 8 hours behind? I love it.
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Zero lip? What the heck is this?
I missed that post too.
he he he
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Isn't it amazing that I can sit here across the Atlantic and gossip with you 5 or 8 hours behind? I love it.
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Ozgrrl is ahead of time. She's in Australia...
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The ones who take care of our future are paid the least.
ouch.
truth.
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Ozgrrl is ahead of time. She's in Australia...
that's upside down from here, a 13-hour flight and they talk funny.
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To be fair, I think Cap was saying he would be willing to pay for extra help so his wife could have her own time. Zero lip is an unfortunate choice of words, but I can see where doing your best to provide for your family and being taken for granted in return could be annoying, galling, etc...
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would be willing to pay for extra help
I just booked a Brazilian girl to come clean my kitchen and bedroom and bathroom after the fire. It's all still black toxic soot.
she's coming for 3 hours. She's £7 an hour and I can't do it anymore.
I did the whole livingroom by myself, up a ladder. Oh I lie, I had help.
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Her name is Nyodia
I told her I'd give her £30 and explained how nasty this job is.
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happy camper
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Feel sorry for stay-at-home moms who complain about the difficulty of their lives? I know many woman who have husbands who work a lot of hours plus overtime and get bitched out by their wives about how hard their days are. I'm not saying these women don't do anything but is it fair to the man to get this type of treatment? I don't think it would be fair if the roles were reversed. Please give me some honest opinions. BTW, Everybody Loves Raymond inspired this discussion but I have seen real examples of this stuff.
Is it fair to the man? My father told me that fair was a place where pigs get ribbons. As a single mom I applaud women that are stay at home moms. It is the toughest job that requires the most responsibilty and gets the least amount of respect. If you screw up at a "job" you may get written up or worse case fired. If you screw up raising your kids your kids are screwed, you have the responsibility of developing someone's life. She can bitch all she wants to. Kids eventually grow up to appreciate their moms; watch any football game and the guy who gets his first TD is saying hey to mom, not dad.
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Feel sorry for stay-at-home moms who complain about the difficulty of their lives? I know many woman who have husbands who work a lot of hours plus overtime and get bitched out by their wives about how hard their days are. I'm not saying these women don't do anything but is it fair to the man to get this type of treatment? I don't think it would be fair if the roles were reversed. Please give me some honest opinions. BTW, Everybody Loves Raymond inspired this discussion but I have seen real examples of this stuff.
So if a COUPLE is sahring responsibility of a family and one works, I'm sorry the one who provides MONEY does not deserve to be yelled at because of dirty diapers and other things. Like I said, if I pay for child day care then what's the excuse then?
I'd think that raising children has got to be the most difficult, stressful job in the world.
It seems to me if the breadwinner's only contribution to the household is financial, this would build resentment on the part of the spouse that stays home.
I have dogs. :-\
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Let me turn this around a bit.
Have you ever come home and bitched about your job? Maybe someone at work angered you, or a project didn't go the way you planned, or you're dealing with a stressful deadline? Have you ever needed to discuss those issues, whether in a polite and even tone or in a raised voice that works through the emotions?
That's what she is doing when she complains about dirty diapers.
By the way, when it's middle of the night and the child cries because she has a dirty diaper, who gets up to change the child? Do you...or does your wife? How about when dishes are in the sink from dinner? Who cleans them? You or your wife? If it's your wife, then realize her job is 24-hours a day. She can gripe all she wants just like you can about your job. You're supposed to be there for each other, to help each other through stresses, problems, issues. You're supposed to share them...along with the good moments. This isn't a pick and choose what one person can complain about or brag about and what the other cannot.
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Ozgrrl is ahead of time. She's in Australia...
Actually, in the good ol' USA right now ;) so still behind :D :o
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pigs get ribbons.
my dad told me pigs can fly.
And he said "jam tomorrow", he came from working class and fought in the war.
oh and something else funny
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i think women's work is a job well done, no matter what.
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I don't have a wife. I don't complain though. I usually just drink or watch tv. Can you honestlty commiserat with a woman who with woman like "Debra" who doesn't do anything? I'm sorry I can't. Most of the people I know are police officers or fire fighters and if I was in their position I would honestly get back into my car and go back to work if I heard so much complacency when I got home. Bill Engvall touches on this in a skit.
I kinda figured you didn't have a wife but that's ok. But speaking as a corrections officer and also having many friends on the police force and fire fighter buddies, most of us leave work at work, you kinda have to. I also know stay at home moms and they really don't bitch all that much about the day. They may comment that they are tired or discuss what the kids are up to but you speak as if as soon as the husband walks through the door he gets his head bitten off. I like the show everybody loves raymond also but didn't catch the episode. But remember it is television, in other words exagerated entertainment. It makes me wonder if the head writer for that particular script was male or female though. I really don't think most married men mind that their wives let off a little steam when they get in, it is usually the man who wants the woman to stay home with the kids anyway. He knows he will have to hear about her day just as she will have to hear about his. The cool thing about a loving relationship is that you WANT to hear about it.
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Feel sorry for stay-at-home moms who complain about the difficulty of their lives? I know many woman who have husbands who work a lot of hours plus overtime and get bitched out by their wives about how hard their days are. I'm not saying these women don't do anything but is it fair to the man to get this type of treatment? I don't think it would be fair if the roles were reversed. Please give me some honest opinions. BTW, Everybody Loves Raymond inspired this discussion but I have seen real examples of this stuff.
I was a stay-at-home mom for a few years and my husband used to work anywhere from 12-16 hours a day. Sometimes he would have to work 7 days a week. As a woman; you get lonely and you need someone to have an adult conversation with. Not to mention if you have been home all day; cleaning, running errands, laundry, cooking and helping with homework. When your spouse does come home; it's not fair for them to just create a mess and expect for you to clean up behind them. I understood that my husband was tired all I asked was that he understand that I was tired too. It all boils down to communication and respecting one another's responsibilities. But, to answer your question; IMO it is not fair.
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I never said make a mess but would you be upset if he wanted to eat in silence or watch a show before any interaction?
I may have misunderstood the statement (Sorry) ???
We have been married now for over 11 years and have 4 children; in the beginning I did not fully comprehend the need for silence. Now I do, I work full-time now and sometimes I need the same thing.
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I love silence and girls I date (including current) don't so it's hard.
It takes time to find the right person; to be able to communicate to them that when you come home from a long days work, you need at least 30 mins to unwind. You have to let this be known up front.
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I always have, nobody has ever listened... ???
I am sorry to hear that :(
Mimi6
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Cap, it depends on what your type is; where are you meeting these hearing impaired females?
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Haha. Everywhere. They just don't like to listen all that much when I say I need to cool down or be alone. Simple stuff but it never works out like I want so I throw in a dip and space out. ;D. High school was worse (obviously) but it hasn't gotten much better even though women mature faster than us men. :o
If you don't mind me asking; how old are you? What age groups are you dealing with?
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I'm not saying one way or the other here, if I was married and my wife stayed home (never happen though b/c of divorces) I would pay for child care just so she wouldn't complain. If my salary and effort goes for a wife's nice things and everything in the house, I would want zero lip unless I was actually being unreasonable.
WTF? What are you her parent? her boss? Lose the attitude or marry a masochist.
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If I come from end of watch or after over time and have to hear about dirty diapers, etc, etc I would turn around and go back to work. I agree about mothers and teachers needing respect but if I bring home all the money, I really don't want to hear complacency. My example was based on Everyone Loves Raymond. A wife like Deborah is stupid. She can't cook, can't cleand and has the kids and always yells at Ray. I know women who do that shit and frankly it annoys me. If I were in his situation I would not be a happy camper. I am not saying all women should "know they're role" by any means.
That's exactly what you're saying. If she's complaining and bitchin', it's because she's unfulfilled. Hiring help isn't going to make it any better, ...probably worse, 'cause now she's unfulfilled, AND has time on her hands. Your not wanting to hear about her frustrations just shows you're unwilling to be there for her, or even participate in the trials & tribulations of raising your own kids. I'd predict a divorce and major resentment, ...unless you married a masochist
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So if a COUPLE is sahring responsibility of a family and one works, I'm sorry the one who provides MONEY does not deserve to be yelled at because of dirty diapers and other things. Like I said, if I pay for child day care then what's the excuse then?
A guy like you could never enter a 50/50 partnership because you think just because you provide the money, you get to make the rules. You don't.
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I'd think that raising children has got to be the most difficult, stressful job in the world.
It seems to me if the breadwinner's only contribution to the household is financial, this would build resentment on the part of the spouse that stays home.
Yep! especially if he doles it out only at his discretion, or uses it as leverage to dictate the terms of the household or as a form of control (which most men do).
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Financial contribution seems to be underappreciated these days.
Financial contribution is overrated. Any problem that can be solved with money, ...isn't a problem
That stress is tough I realize, but there are other stressors in life and I resent when women get mad that a man doesn't spend the same amount of time with the hourly responsibilities at home. That's the trade off when someone brings home the money. Just how I feel. ;)
And how you feel will screw up any marriage you may enter into, ...as well as mess with your mind should your wife ever develop financial success without you. Touting your value & worth as a husband based on your financial contribution is BS. You're setting yourself up to be knocked down a few pegs... 'cause once she starts bringing in more than you, your self esteem is out the window...and you end up like Ryann Phillipé and the tons of other guys like him around the world. Their sense of manhood is wrapped up in their wallets, and when the wife's outward success dwarfs theirs, ...there goes the marriage. They start marking their territory like dogs.
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cap I'm getting bored...
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No complaining is controlling?
No complaining is an attempt to regain some degree of equilibrium.
The rule applies to me too. Don't put words in my mouth ma'am.[/quote]
You called me ma'am. I like that. :D
A guy like me? You don't know me. Money is a big deal and women who marry men who work still control everything so the least that can happen is a little repsect and peace and quiet at times, just like a woman should expect to receive. Like I said, women see their work as more important than the financial responsibility of a man and that is also a problem.
It's only a problem if you fail to recognize this as fact.
So should all men stay home? There are only so many hours in a week...should a guy work his ass off and then spend every waking moment after pampering wife and kid? No. Any sane MAN or WOMAN would get burnt out. There needs to be nurturing and time away for mom but be reasonable.
Hence the complaining. 'cause that's exactly what stay-at-home Moms do, only they don't stop at 40 hrs[/quote]
And yes, money=control and women do the same shit men do in that regard.
Just because women sometimes make the same mistakes men do or participate in the 'money=control' dysfunction paradigmn, doesn't make it right.
Not in America. My feelings are that I need to provide and if she makes more then so be it, will that give a reason to bitch about spending more time with the kids?
No, not spending more time with the kids is a reason to bitch about spending more time with the kids.
Gee Whiz, where is Old School in this thread, ...he can set you straight on a few things
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Zero lip? What the heck is this? The early 1900's when a woman should stay at home barefoot, pregnant, and silent unless she is on her back? Whatever. ::)
Jodi,
He's talking about his relationship, not yours.
Your opinion of how he treats his girlfriend doesn't really equate.
The ones who take care of our future are paid the least. Mothers and teachers.
I see we have our priorities straight in this world.
I agree with this.
I don't have a wife. I don't complain though. I usually just drink or watch tv. Can you honestlty commiserat with a woman who with woman like "Debra" who doesn't do anything? I'm sorry I can't. Most of the people I know are police officers or fire fighters and if I was in their position I would honestly get back into my car and go back to work if I heard so much complacency when I got home. Bill Engvall touches on this in a skit.
It's all predicated on what type of woman you want and what you will allow. You would probably not even date someone like "Debra", so why is it even a factor in the conversation? Before marriage even comes in to play, you'd know what you're dealing with in terms of the relationship dynamic. None of it would be a shock.
Debra was Debra before she became a stay at home mom.
Lol. It's an expression. I stand by it though just like I would give zero lip about household matters if she did the brunt of the work.
Don't let these women bully you, cappie.
You live by your own set of rules.
Don't ever let society or others dictate how you live.
DIV
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It's all predicated on what type of woman you want and what you will allow. You would probably not even date someone like "Debra", so why is it even a factor in the conversation? Before marriage even comes in to play, you'd know what you're dealing with in terms of the relationship dynamic. None of it would be a shock.
Debra was Debra before she became a stay at home mom.
Don't let these women bully you, cappie.
You live by your own set of rules.
Don't ever let society or others dictate how you live.
DIV
[/quote] Thanks DIV. I'm all about egalitarian but I hate hearing that people want more praise than is deserved. Like I said in a previous post, a man should value his wife's work (whatever it is) and she should value his just as equally. I see more Debra's out there these days though so it is tough to get around. Good posts from everyone on here IMO. I didn't want everyone to agree, just to talk.
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He's talking about his relationship, not yours.
DIV
Lol, Not to be negative, but damn... everything you post is all about you. And you, and you. There are other people around you in the world. No wonder you have probs in the relationship area.
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If this is to me I didn't think I was being egocentric here and on this thread neither has DIV (if it was to him).
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Not to you at all. I revised it.
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It's all good. Just checking. ;D
PS... I always hated the Debra character too... but in real life, anyone would have killed those in laws before her, don't you think?
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I'm sorry. I thought I started a good thread...
it was a great thread, I think you learned a lot about women/marriage/raising children.
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Lol, Not to be negative, but damn... everything you post is all about you. And you, and you. There are other people around you in the world. No wonder you have probs in the relationship area.
How was any of my comment about me?
It was about him and his post and the "Debra" issue.
I'm egocentric because I gave him my opinion?
All he was getting on here was females bitching about his attitude.
DIV
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How was any of my comment about me?
It was about him and his post and the "Debra" issue.
I'm egocentric because I gave him my opinion?
All he was getting on here was females bitching about his attitude.
DIV
Maybe this is negative too, but STella is free to delete me.
Have you not noticed that almost 90% of the time that you post, you somehow direct the thread conversation to something about you? Or use the topic to hold forth about yourself? When you actually do respond without going on about yourself, your tude towards women is almost always condescending.
In one thread you said that you were going to be spending Thanksgiving with this amazing, lit-chick, intellectually superior girlfriend of yours. Then this weekend you post that in fact, you've broken up with her two weeks ago, and that you've really been pursuing a relationship with the 19-year-old, whatever, gold-digger. In one thread, you say that you don't go for message board chicks because you prefer women who are "deeper," and yet you seek the advice of message board chicks when it comes to dating 19-year-old gold-diggers. In one thread, you tell Jodi she's too masculine in her thinking about relationships, and in the next, you say you wish more women were like her. And then you refer to women on a woman's message board as "bitches."
I honestly don't think you have good relationships with women, and I don't think you particularly like women. Sum total - I don't think you have a clue about women. Everything about the way you post is frontage, even though you are constantly telling other people they should "be real." I can't imagine why anyone would take anything you say about women seriously.
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I'm jealous....
Somebody fighting with a guy on here and it isn't me.
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DIV is a good guy and I think he has a lot to offer to this board, just like other men. Ladies, you not only teach us but we teach you...
Agreed.
PB
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In one thread you said that you were going to be spending Thanksgiving with this amazing, lit-chick, intellectually superior girlfriend of yours. Then this weekend you post that in fact, you've broken up with her two weeks ago, and that you've really been pursuing a relationship with the 19-year-old, whatever, gold-digger. In one thread, you say that you don't go for message board chicks because you prefer women who are "deeper," and yet you seek the advice of message board chicks when it comes to dating 19-year-old gold-diggers. In one thread, you tell Jodi she's too masculine in her thinking about relationships, and in the next, you say you wish more women were like her. And then you refer to women on a woman's message board as "bitches."
Deedee,
You need to take things in the context that they are meant.
It's unfortunate that I need to detail every single thing I say for fear that you won't understand it, but in this case........why not?
The breakup with my last girlfriend was a long time in coming, but we both were trying to make it work, probably against our better judgement. We are on good terms because it was a mutual decision and yes, she did invite me to Thanksgiving despite the breakup but I didn't feel it was appropriate so I declined. We like each other as people, but it just didn't work in a relationship context.....that is really what it boils down to. I'm better for the experience and I learned some things about myself that will help me in future relationships.
The nineteen year old is interesting and I don't really know if she's as mature as she claims to be, nor if a relationship is even tenable right now given my schedule. I'll talk to her and if we have common interests, perhaps......
Pertaining to Jodi, I've spoken to her offline in depth about several issues, so I know her decently well compared to those who have only interacted with her on the site. Ask her.....
I admire Jodi's honesty and straightforward approach to things, sans games, and yes she will have a tough time finding a man who can deal with her and appreciate her for who she is, without trying to dominate or change her.
The term "bitch" is reserved for women who manipulate and deceive and I won't ever refrain from using that term in the appropriate context.
I honestly don't think you have good relationships with women, and I don't think you particularly like women. Sum total - I don't think you have a clue about women. Everything about the way you post is frontage, even though you are constantly telling other people they should "be real." I can't imagine why anyone would take anything you say about women seriously.
I appreciate women who are intellectual, honest and open. I don't respect women who play games and use vindictive means to get what they want. I don't respect that.
I've been as real as possible on here, but you don't know me, so how you take what I say isn't necessarily the intended context and I can't do anything about that.
Know me off-line and you'd understand.........
As it stands you are on the outside looking in......and obviously not understanding what you are seeing.
DIV
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I see more Debra's out there these days though so it is tough to get around.
One thing to remember also is that there is no way for an outsider to know exactly what goes on behind closed doors in any house. This of course includes dynamics between married couples.
On the other hand, a lot of us these days tend to take things for granted. We take for granted we live in free countries, are not homeless, have so much to eat that we can get fat, and sometimes we take our spouses and things they provide for us for granted. It can go both ways. We should always express appreciation for our spouses and the things they do for us.
We should always try to remember all the blessings we have and not focus on the bad crap. What you focus on will consume your mind. What consumes your mind affects your behavior.
Love to all :-*
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My grandma and grandpa (he's dead) were like Marie and Frank except for undexpected visits. Lol. I would be frustrated with Debra and the mom. Italian moms smother you though and nobody is as good for their son as them, trust me I know firsthand how it is.
So do I. ;D
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Lol. If my grandma had her way I would be married to a black haired full blooded Italian right now. My mom could care less about that but she has hated every gf I've had up until this point. Nobody was ever good enough.
Ahhh yes, brings back memories. Took me a year to win her over, but even then she kept insisting I couldn't cook, although I can. >:(. She couldn't understand how you could boil pasta without a pound of salt in the water. :-X
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Been there, ...done that, ...got the T-shirt AND the bumpersticker!
Please don't make me re-live the nightmare.
In my case, it wasn't just any little Italian girl, ...had to be one from the same little small town in Italy.
Finally, after being sick of all the BS, and deciding there were just too many of us in the relationship, I dumped her precious son. She cried for a yr begging me to take him back. She couldn't stand to see her son so miserably unhappy without me. The whole family was beside themselves in grief.
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Italian women are great but nuts too. Hi Ma!
What part of Italy is your family from?
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Calabria (not sure if that's correct spelling)
{LOL} How did I know you're Calabrese? Which city Cantanzaro, Cosenza, or Reggio.
Please say Consenza, so I can be assured you're somewhat normal. If you say Reggio... I'm gonna run.
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So here's a question... how come so many of the guys I work with who have wives and multiple children hang around the office way late, even when they have nothing to do, and are obviously just wasting time? Is it because they don't want to go home and help? ;D
Ooomf! Body blow! ;D
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Feel sorry for stay-at-home moms who complain about the difficulty of their lives? I know many woman who have husbands who work a lot of hours plus overtime and get bitched out by their wives about how hard their days are. I'm not saying these women don't do anything but is it fair to the man to get this type of treatment? I don't think it would be fair if the roles were reversed. Please give me some honest opinions. BTW, Everybody Loves Raymond inspired this discussion but I have seen real examples of this stuff.
My wife stayed at home for about 13 years. Her choice. I agreed. She always had outside interests though. Plugged away at school. I did get "complained at" sometimes. Never liked it. But I always respected her job, which was more important than mine. Easy.
That said, the times I stayed home (vacation, etc.) I remember thinking: I could get used to this. :)
I know lots of full-time moms. Several of my neighbors. Several of my church members. Other friends. Most of them appear to be very happy. Like Stella said, you never know what goes on behind closed doors, but think most of them have functional families.
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According to Dr.Phil, a stay at home mom works the equivalant of two jobs. While I agree that it is difficult to look after kids full time while mainting a home and making breakfest lunch and dinner (what some stay at home moms do), I do not agree with moms staying at home or getting pregnant so that they DO NOT have to go back to work or to avoid going back to work. In this day and age it takes two to tango and to incomes are much better then one.
PB
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"paying attention again"
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Feel sorry for stay-at-home moms who complain about the difficulty of their lives? I know many woman who have husbands who work a lot of hours plus overtime and get bitched out by their wives about how hard their days are. I'm not saying these women don't do anything but is it fair to the man to get this type of treatment? I don't think it would be fair if the roles were reversed. Please give me some honest opinions. BTW, Everybody Loves Raymond inspired this discussion but I have seen real examples of this stuff.
I dont feel sorry for them, but having said that it is a very hard job to be a stay at home mum! I have a two year old (my choice and I love her sooo much). Where I get pissed off is I dont get any public holidays, my weekend is not my own and my job is 24/7 but I love it and I chose to have her. I am happy! I go to the gym during the day she goes into child care and the rest of the day is really mine to do with as I please. I still manage to get in shape and compete in figure comps. I get really angry with women that use the kids as why they have put on weight and cant exercise. And yes I would not be a guy for quids they do get the raw end of the deal in a lot of ways.
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Ask your Grandma which city in Calabria your family is from?
I'm betting it's Reggio, ...possibly Catanzaro, ...but my money is Reggio di Calabria.