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Title: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Old_Rooster on January 10, 2007, 09:02:49 AM
Auburn screwed out of playing in the big game couple years back and seems each time the SEC gets the opportunity they beat the living hell out of the competition and win the championship.  SO i propose a new rule, the winner of the SEC is guaranteed a place in the championship game and the reason is simple.  The SEC is heads and tails above every other conference in the country.   And lemme say it just once, GOOD GOD HOW OVERRATED OHIO STATE AND MICHIGAN truly were.   I'd say about 5 or 6 teams from the SEC alone would have defeated Ohio State this year.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Dos Equis on January 10, 2007, 09:21:18 AM
They only legitimate way to determine the "national champion" is to have a playoff system like every other sport, including all levels of NCAA football.  Every conference winner and a few at large teams should decide it on the field.  Pretty simple.  But won't happen. 
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Option D on January 10, 2007, 09:49:16 AM
They only legitimate way to determine the "national champion" is to have a playoff system like every other sport, including all levels of NCAA football.  Every conference winner and a few at large teams should decide it on the field.  Pretty simple.  But won't happen. 

right...and its only d1 A that dosent have a playoff...because d1aa have it as well as d2 and d3..so what gives. whats the reason. Why cant oneo f the major sponsors just sponsor the big playoff games. like the last 4 can be sponsored by nokia, tostidos and who ever else sponsors the 4 bcs games.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Dos Equis on January 10, 2007, 09:54:32 AM
right...and its only d1 A that dosent have a playoff...because d1aa have it as well as d2 and d3..so what gives. whats the reason. Why cant oneo f the major sponsors just sponsor the big playoff games. like the last 4 can be sponsored by nokia, tostidos and who ever else sponsors the 4 bcs games.

Makes sense, but it's all about the Benjamins.  How much money did the Big Ten make off the bowl games this year?  I'm not sure what the payouts were, but Ohio State, Michigan, and Wisconsin received millions in BCS payouts, which they shared with their conference.  Those guys aren't giving up the current system without a fight.  Very frustrating.   
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: buffbodz on January 10, 2007, 09:55:16 AM
They only legitimate way to determine the "national champion" is to have a playoff system like every other sport, including all levels of NCAA football.  Every conference winner and a few at large teams should decide it on the field.  Pretty simple.  But won't happen. 

Like the man said..."Pretty simple.  But won't happen".  That's because the NCAA gets its bowl games out of the way during Christmas-new years and a little latter, while most NFL players get to go home to spend Christmas with family and friends.   Then the NFL playoffs.  I don't think TV would want to go head to head with NCAA playoffs vs. NFL.  The idea's the only real way to determin who the #1 college team is, but time and advertising $ usually win over what's good for the fans.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: K-1 on January 10, 2007, 10:00:26 AM
They only legitimate way to determine the "national champion" is to have a playoff system like every other sport, including all levels of NCAA football.  Every conference winner and a few at large teams should decide it on the field.  Pretty simple.  But won't happen. 

I agree and your right it won't happen. The Big-10 has no championship game and doesn't want one. Notre Dame (which everyone loves) will never join a conference. Just think about how boring it would be to see the SEC champ and another top 5 SEC school run the table through that system and end up playing each other again in the champioship. Not to say it's not legit, but it's all about $$$

Just look how bad everyone (reporters, sports talk shows, radio) wanted Michigan to get a rematch because they felt they had the best shot at beating Ohio State. Or the people who wanted USC there instead. 

I love the SEC, but I know it won't happen simply because of REGIONAL generated $$$. You'll lose west coast, midwest, some eastern and northern ratings big time.

I'm still trying to find the other Sears trophy for the 2004 BCS championship that's actually located Baton Rouge, Louisiana that was converted to an AP Poll "shared" title with the feel good "west coast tv coverage"team USC from 2004 that was supposed to be irrelevant because of the BCS system.

Why wasn't USC vs LSU played out that year? REGIONAL COVERAGE. It was better to play OU vs LSU in the sugarbowl for the south, southeast and play USC vs Michigan in the rosebowl for the entire westcoast and north, northeast coverage than play LSU vs USC for the "TRUE" title game (since they knew their could be a possible split if the didn't play obviously, but the BCS was supposed to eliminate this...LOL!!) also they would have lost the Rose bowl $$$ because the BCS title was to be played at the Sugar, and they knew they'd lose alot of $$$ on a Michigan vs OU Rose bowl in pasadena (???) yeah that wouldn't fly with west coast coverage.

It's all about $$$. Which is how auburn got shafted. They were considered boring, not ready...etc. Well they ran through the SEC, won the SEC title..what more do you have to do. Wasn't about that, it was about coverage. The BCS Title game was at the Rose bowl that year, so you'd lose $$$ at the sugar bowl since that game would or could have been OU vs some other team and not an SEC team.

Plus not to mention OU got their a$$ smashed like 60-10 or some sh*t. What a great game.

I'm all for the playoff system, but it won't happen man.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Option D on January 10, 2007, 10:03:26 AM
serious...yall dont think it will ever happen....i think with some of the mid major comferences beating some the majors that there will have to be one soon.  boise state went undefeted and beat OU...that says something
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: K-1 on January 10, 2007, 10:12:28 AM
serious...yall dont think it will ever happen....i think with some of the mid major comferences beating some the majors that there will have to be one soon.  boise state went undefeted and beat OU...that says something


I here ya Big Mal, but you have to think about how much $$$ these larger schools bring to the table. I know these smaller schools are winning here and there and actually may deserve a shot, but it won't be until they start dominating year after year after year that the balance of power will shift (this year is was rutgers and boise, next year it will be two different teams) there needs to be more consistency from the SAME TEAMS for the country to push the people upstairs into letting these guys in.

That's when recruiting kicks in. These small schools just don't have the recruit dept sitting on the bench like these large schools to stay on top and maintain that consistency that I feel is needed for your team to get to the next level in "their" current system....and even THEN when they do I doubt it would happen because these well established large schools will just muscle them down with more $$$, politics,strength of schedule...etc.



Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Dos Equis on January 10, 2007, 10:13:44 AM
I think they might eventually cave and have something like an 8 team playoff.  Even that would be illegitimate IMO.  You would still have some fat sportswriter who never watched a team play voting on whether they should be ranked high enough to play in the whatever system they come up with.    
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Option D on January 10, 2007, 10:17:59 AM
I think they might eventually cave and have something like an 8 team playoff.  Even that would be illegitimate IMO.  You would still have some fat sportswriter who never watched a team play voting on whether they should be ranked high enough to play in the whatever system they come up with.    

So just go by conference champs....Im saying a retarted high blind monkey can see that this shit is awful...WV looses a game and they are out on their asses....last year they beat the sec and this year they beat the acc... but they lose once and they are still in it. and the strength of schedule means nothing to me....look at michigans schedule...they played 1 team and lost to them. This is all shit now.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Earl1972 on January 10, 2007, 10:19:06 AM
West Virginia owned the SEC champion last year Georgia in the sugar bowl

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Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Option D on January 10, 2007, 10:19:55 AM
and they beat the acc champ ga tech this year
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Dos Equis on January 10, 2007, 10:20:46 AM
So just go by conference champs....Im saying a retarted high blind monkey can see that this shit is awful...WV looses a game and they are out on their asses....last year they beat the sec and this year they beat the acc... but they lose once and they are still in it. and the strength of schedule means nothing to me....look at michigans schedule...they played 1 team and lost to them. This is all shit now.

You're preaching to the choir man.  Completely agree.  

Didn't Ohio State almost lose to Ball State this year?  
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Option D on January 10, 2007, 10:23:25 AM
You're preaching to the choir man.  Completely agree.  

Didn't Ohio State almost lose to Ball State this year?  


I think there will be a change in the next 3 years....if coaches stay. (patrino) then i think the mid majors will make too much noise to be ignored...the only way right now they prove they are legitimate is by beating the crap of the majors in the bowl games.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: K-1 on January 10, 2007, 10:33:58 AM

I think there will be a change in the next 3 years....if coaches stay. (patrino) then i think the mid majors will make too much noise to be ignored...the only way right now they prove they are legitimate is by beating the crap of the majors in the bowl games.

I thought Patrino went to coach the atlanta falcons already.???
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Dos Equis on January 10, 2007, 10:34:15 AM

I think there will be a change in the next 3 years....if coaches stay. (patrino) then i think the mid majors will make too much noise to be ignored...the only way right now they prove they are legitimate is by beating the crap of the majors in the bowl games.

Like Boise beating Oklahoma and Hawaii beating ASU (41 points and 680 yards offense).  
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: K-1 on January 10, 2007, 10:35:21 AM
I think they might eventually cave and have something like an 8 team playoff.  Even that would be illegitimate IMO.  You would still have some fat sportswriter who never watched a team play voting on whether they should be ranked high enough to play in the whatever system they come up with.   

I feel you on this. You know they would bit*h about those one loss teams or those 2 big 10 schools that ran the table and didn't play each other that year or some sh*t. Or better yet the team that loses game 1 early and runs the table and wins the conference against the team that lost it's first game THAT GAME and they should get a shot..etc,etc.

LOL I feel you.

and if they expand the team field out to 10 or 12 to appease then that's when you will have "an honest system" and can let "other teams in" but I honestly believe they will eventually fold to the SEC  powerhouses that get in. For instance a team that didn't even reach the SEC title game like LSU ranked 4th would raise hell in a system like this and they were considered ONLY the 4th best team by SEC east and west conference standings.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Option D on January 10, 2007, 10:39:15 AM
I thought Patrino went to coach the atlanta falcons already.???

yeah i know i was being sarcastic
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Old_Rooster on January 10, 2007, 10:44:34 AM
Like the man said..."Pretty simple.  But won't happen".  That's because the NCAA gets its bowl games out of the way during Christmas-new years and a little latter, while most NFL players get to go home to spend Christmas with family and friends.   Then the NFL playoffs.  I don't think TV would want to go head to head with NCAA playoffs vs. NFL.  The idea's the only real way to determin who the #1 college team is, but time and advertising $ usually win over what's good for the fans.

I'm sure the NFL would not want to go head to head with a college playoff system, college playoff system would smoke the ratings of the NFL.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: K-1 on January 10, 2007, 10:45:43 AM
yeah i know i was being sarcastic

oh lol! He's got a nice philosophy on the offensive side of the ball. He should do nice things with Warrick and Norwood in Atlanta. I wonder how vick will fit into his system. I know it relied somewhat partially heavy in the pass a little. Wonder if vick can handle the change in the offensive scheme and still be somewhat effective in the next few years (besides taking off when stuff breaks down or he's into his drop to fast)

Remember he didn't do too well with Mora's scheme or Dan Reeve's earlier on. Not that I care, I'm a saints fan. Just throwing that in there because I won't be surprised if after evaluation he is trade bait or something. Coaches are getting sh*t canned left and right after 2-3 yers nowadays LOL!
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Option D on January 10, 2007, 10:48:02 AM
oh lol! He's got a nice philosophy on the offensive side of the ball. He should do nice things with Warrick and Norwood in Atlanta. I wonder how vick will fit into his system. I know it relied somewhat partially heavy in the pass a little. Wonder if vick can handle the change in the offensive scheme and still be somewhat effective in the next few years (besides taking off when stuff breaks down or he's into his drop to fast)

Remember he didn't do too well with Mora's scheme or Dan Reeve's earlier on. Not that I care, I'm a saints fan. Just throwing that in there because I won't be surprised if after evaluation he is trade bait or something. Coaches are getting sh*t canned left and right after 2-3 yers nowadays LOL!


I think he likes the power back like michael bush..btw you think he is comming out.

and im a saints fan too....all the way baby..
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Earl1972 on January 10, 2007, 10:50:13 AM
I'm sure the NFL would not want to go head to head with a college playoff system, college playoff system would smoke the ratings of the NFL.

wrong

many people watch the pros but never college sports

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Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Old_Rooster on January 10, 2007, 11:03:51 AM
oh lol! He's got a nice philosophy on the offensive side of the ball. He should do nice things with Warrick and Norwood in Atlanta. I wonder how vick will fit into his system. I know it relied somewhat partially heavy in the pass a little. Wonder if vick can handle the change in the offensive scheme and still be somewhat effective in the next few years (besides taking off when stuff breaks down or he's into his drop to fast)

Remember he didn't do too well with Mora's scheme or Dan Reeve's earlier on. Not that I care, I'm a saints fan. Just throwing that in there because I won't be surprised if after evaluation he is trade bait or something. Coaches are getting sh*t canned left and right after 2-3 yers nowadays LOL!

Vick can't do any worse than how he fucked up Mora's offensive scheme.  First thing Petrino should do is trade Vick immediately and get Schaub back under center.  I sonder how many girls in NFL cities have caught herpes from mike vick?
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Dos Equis on January 10, 2007, 11:09:26 AM
Vick can't do any worse than how he fucked up Mora's offensive scheme.  First thing Petrino should do is trade Vick immediately and get Schaub back under center.  I sonder how many girls in NFL cities have caught herpes from mike vick?

You mean getting to the NFC Championship game with arguably the worst set of WRs in the NFL wasn't good enough? 
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Fury on January 10, 2007, 11:26:13 AM
I think they might eventually cave and have something like an 8 team playoff.  Even that would be illegitimate IMO.  You would still have some fat sportswriter who never watched a team play voting on whether they should be ranked high enough to play in the whatever system they come up with.   

The problem with that is that the #9 team will be bitching nonstop now.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Dos Equis on January 10, 2007, 11:33:04 AM
The problem with that is that the #9 team will be bitching nonstop now.

And no. 10, 11, 12 . . . . I don't think that system would work either, but it's more likely we see something like that than a legitimate playoff system.  Unfortunately. 
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Old_Rooster on January 10, 2007, 12:04:31 PM
You mean getting to the NFC Championship game with arguably the worst set of WRs in the NFL wasn't good enough? 

theres been a game here or there that grossman looked good, heck even a game here or there that Romo looked good.

Whoop dee doo, vick had a nice run ONCE in the playoffs, other than that he has been a complete joke as an NFL qb.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Option D on January 10, 2007, 12:11:39 PM
theres been a game here or there that grossman looked good, heck even a game here or there that Romo looked good.

Whoop dee doo, vick had a nice run ONCE in the playoffs, other than that he has been a complete joke as an NFL qb.

Yeah he is the only qb that gets 6 years to develop. but he is exticing to watch.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Dos Equis on January 10, 2007, 12:15:21 PM
theres been a game here or there that grossman looked good, heck even a game here or there that Romo looked good.

Whoop dee doo, vick had a nice run ONCE in the playoffs, other than that he has been a complete joke as an NFL qb.

Classic overstatement.  First, his WRs have been Larry, Moe, and Curley for pretty much his entire career.  Second, he has some of the most impressive seasons, passing/rushing, in NFL history.  Third, he wins.  (Fairly certain he has a winning record as a starter).  Fourth, he has made the Pro Bowl three times.  

Here are his "joke" stats:

+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
                 |              Passing                  |     Rushing     |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 2001 atl |   8 |    50   113  44.2   785   6.9   2   3 |    29   300   1 |
| 2002 atl |  15 |   231  421  54.9  2936  7.0  16   8 |   113   777  8 |
| 2003 atl |   5 |    50   100  50.0   585   5.8   4   3 |    40   255   1 |
| 2004 atl |  15 |   181   321  56.4  2313 7.2  14  12 |   120   902  3 |
| 2005 atl |  15 |   214   387  55.3  2412 6.2  15  13 |   102   597  6 |
| 2006 atl |  16 |   204   388  52.6  2474 6.4  20  13 |   123  1039  2 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
|  TOTAL   |  74 |   930  1730  53.8 11505   6.7  71  52 |   527  3870  21 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+


Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Option D on January 10, 2007, 12:17:41 PM
damn. guess you cant argue with numbers....and his wide outs are awful...roddy white needs to be in arena ball.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: body88 on January 10, 2007, 12:31:47 PM
Classic overstatement.  First, his WRs have been Larry, Moe, and Curley for pretty much his entire career.  Second, he has some of the most impressive seasons, passing/rushing, in NFL history.  Third, he wins.  (Fairly certain he has a winning record as a starter).  Fourth, he has made the Pro Bowl three times.  

Here are his "joke" stats:

+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
                 |              Passing                  |     Rushing     |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 2001 atl |   8 |    50   113  44.2   785   6.9   2   3 |    29   300   1 |
| 2002 atl |  15 |   231  421  54.9  2936  7.0  16   8 |   113   777  8 |
| 2003 atl |   5 |    50   100  50.0   585   5.8   4   3 |    40   255   1 |
| 2004 atl |  15 |   181   321  56.4  2313 7.2  14  12 |   120   902  3 |
| 2005 atl |  15 |   214   387  55.3  2412 6.2  15  13 |   102   597  6 |
| 2006 atl |  16 |   204   388  52.6  2474 6.4  20  13 |   123  1039  2 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
|  TOTAL   |  74 |   930  1730  53.8 11505   6.7  71  52 |   527  3870  21 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+





Tom Brady has never had anything better then second rate receivers compared to guys like Payton and Carson, who have some of the best receivers ever to throw to. Yet Tom led the league in passing last year with a 90+ rating, is 11-1 postseason, 3 rings, 2 time sb mvp and a five time division champion. lead his team to the postseason five of six years etc, etc.

Brady is one of the greatest qb's to ever live. He never has had big weapon receivers. Vick made some great plays this year tho.

Btw, I am not taking anything away from Carson and Payton. They are incredable qb's But, the reciever excuse is played out. You give Brady Marvin and Chad and see what happens. But no one ever brings that up when discussing how great qb's are.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Fury on January 10, 2007, 12:41:12 PM
Bullshit. Two words, Deion Branch. Don't give me that shit about second rate recievers. They fit into that system perfectly.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Dos Equis on January 10, 2007, 12:44:14 PM

Tom Brady has never had anything better then second rate receivers compared to guys like Payton and Carson, who have some of the best receivers ever to throw to. Yet Tom led the league in passing last year with a 90+ rating, is 11-1 postseason, 3 rings, 2 time sb mvp and a five time division champion. lead his team to the postseason five of six years etc, etc.

Brady is one of the greatest qb's to ever live. He never has had big weapon receivers. Vick made some great plays this year tho.

Btw, I am not taking anything away from Carson and Payton. They are incredable qb's But, the reciever excuse is played out. You give Brady Marvin and Chad and see what happens. But no one ever brings that up when discussing how great qb's are.

I agree that Brady is a great QB.  In fact, not only do I think he's the best QB in the NFL, I think he's the best playoff QB since Montana.  That said, he has had good WRs.  Branch is very good.  Troy Brown is good.  Consistent.  Givens can play.  Patten can play.  They have like 5 TEs who can catch the ball.  They aren't Harrison/Wayne/Clark, but not Roddy White/Michael Jenkins/Brian Finneran either.  
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: body88 on January 10, 2007, 02:11:36 PM
Bullshit. Two words, Deion Branch. Don't give me that shit about second rate recievers. They fit into that system perfectly.

Deion Branch was no where near a Harrison or a Smith, not even close. Branch was one of my favorite players. Brady has never had a true "top guy" to throw to. That was my point. I agree, Dion was a perfect fit for this system. But, you toss Steve Smith in his place and there is much, much more production.


If you check out the post I called Branch second tier against guys like Johnson, Smith and Wayne. Basically the top 20 guys. I never said he was not good. But, he has never been a "top" receiver. That is part of the reason payton is a statistical Juggernaut. The guy is a fantastic player flanked by fantastic receivers. Some of the best recievers ever.


This is from 2005, when Brady led the league with over 4000 yards passing.Branch was listed at 21. This was the only time in the 6 years he was in the top 30.


1 Steve Smith CAR 103 1563 15.2 12 80
2 Santana Moss WAS 84 1483 17.7 9 78
3 Chad Johnson CIN 97 1432 14.8 9 70
4 Larry Fitzgerald ARI 103 1409 13.7 10 47
5 Anquan Boldin ARI 102 1402 13.7 7 54
6 Torry Holt STL 102 1331 13.0 9 44
7 Joey Galloway TB 83 1287 15.5 10 80
8 Donald Driver GB 86 1221 14.2 5 59
9 Plaxico Burress NYG 76 1214 16.0 7 78
10 Marvin Harrison IND 82 1146 14.0 12 80
11 Terry Glenn DAL 62 1136 18.3 7 71
12 Chris Chambers MIA 82 1118 13.6 11 77
13 Rod Smith DEN 85 1105 13.0 6 72
14 Eddie Kennison KC 68 1102 16.2 5 55
15 Antonio Gates SD 89 1101 12.4 10 38
16 Derrick Mason BAL 86 1073 12.5 3 39
17 Reggie Wayne IND 83 1055 12.7 5 66
18 Jimmy Smith JAC 70 1023 14.6 6 45
19 Antonio Bryant CLE 69 1009 14.6 4 54
20 Randy Moss OAK 60 1005 16.8 8 79
21 Deion Branch NE 78 998 12.8 5 51
22 Hines Ward PIT 69 975 14.1 11 85
23 T.J. Houshmandzadeh CIN 78 956 12.3 7 43
24 Donte' Stallworth NO 70 945 13.5 7 43
25 Jerry Porter OAK 76 942 12.4 5 49
26 Keenan McCardell SD 70 917 13.1 9 54
27 Tony Gonzalez KC 78 905 11.6 2 39
28 Jeremy Shockey NYG 65 891 13.7 7 59
29 Alge Crumpler ATL 65 877 13.5 5 48
30 Todd Heap BAL 75 855 11.4 7 48


2004 ( not in the top 30)


1 Muhsin Muhammad CAR 93 1405 15.1 16 51
2 Joe Horn NO 94 1399 14.9 11 57
3 Javon Walker GB 89 1382 15.5 12 79
4 Torry Holt STL 94 1372 14.6 10 75
5 Isaac Bruce STL 89 1292 14.5 6 56
6 Chad Johnson CIN 95 1274 13.4 9 53
7 Tony Gonzalez KC 102 1258 12.3 7 32
8 Drew Bennett TEN 80 1247 15.6 11 48
9 Reggie Wayne IND 77 1210 15.7 12 71
10 Donald Driver GB 84 1208 14.4 9 50
11 Terrell Owens PHI 77 1200 15.6 14 59
12 Darrell Jackson SEA 87 1199 13.8 7 56
13 Michael Clayton TB 80 1193 14.9 7 75
14 Jimmy Smith JAC 74 1172 15.8 6 65
15 Derrick Mason TEN 96 1168 12.2 7 37
16 Rod Smith DEN 79 1144 14.5 7 85
17 Andre Johnson HOU 79 1142 14.5 6 54
18 Marvin Harrison IND 86 1113 12.9 15 59
19 Eddie Kennison KC 62 1086 17.5 8 70
20 Ashley Lelie DEN 54 1084 20.1 7 58
21 Brandon Stokley IND 68 1077 15.8 10 69
22 Eric Moulds BUF 88 1043 11.9 5 49
23 Nate Burleson MIN 68 1006 14.8 9 68
24 Hines Ward PIT 80 1004 12.6 4 58
25 Jerry Porter OAK 64 998 15.6 9 52
26 Keyshawn Johnson DAL 70 981 14.0 6 39
27 Jason Witten DAL 87 980 11.3 6 42
28 T.J. Houshmandzadeh CIN 73 978 13.4 4 62
29 Antonio Gates SD 81 964 11.9 13 72
30 Laveranues Coles WAS 90 950 10.6 1 45

2003 ( not in the top 30)

Torry Holt STL 117 1696 14.5 12 48
Randy Moss MIN 111 1632 14.7 17 72
Anquan Boldin ARI 101 1377 13.6 8 71
Chad Johnson CIN 90 1355 15.1 10 82
Derrick Mason TEN 95 1303 13.7 8 50
Marvin Harrison IND 94 1272 13.5 10 79
Laveranues Coles WAS 82 1204 14.7 6 64
Keenan McCardell TB 84 1174 14.0 8 76
Hines Ward PIT 95 1163 12.2 10 50
Darrell Jackson SEA 68 1137 16.7 9 80
Steve Smith CAR 88 1110 12.6 7 67
Santana Moss NYJ 74 1105 14.9 10 65
Terrell Owens SF 80 1102 13.8 9 75
Amani Toomer NYG 63 1057 16.8 5 77
Isaac Bruce STL 69 981 14.2 5 41
Andre Johnson HOU 66 976 14.8 4 46
Joe Horn NO 78 973 12.5 10 50
Chris Chambers MIA 64 963 15.0 11 57
Tony Gonzalez KC 71 916 12.9 10 67
Koren Robinson SEA 65 896 13.8 4 38
David Boston SD 70 880 12.6 7 46
Jerry Rice OAK 63 869 13.8 2 47
Plaxico Burress PIT 60 860 14.3 4 47
Eddie Kennison KC 56 853 15.2 5 51
Rod Smith DEN 74 845 11.4 3 38
Reggie Wayne IND 68 838 12.3 7 57
Peerless Price ATL 64 838 13.1 3 49
Muhsin Muhammad CAR 54 837 15.5 3 60
Peter Warrick CIN 79 819 10.4 7 77
Justin McCareins


 same 02 and 01....
   
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: K-1 on January 10, 2007, 02:15:46 PM

I think he likes the power back like michael bush..btw you think he is comming out.

and im a saints fan too....all the way baby..

I was thinking that too about Michael Bush, and yes he has already declared that he is entering the 2007 NFL draft. Look at how Jacobs from the giants is almost like a guaranteed lock for a TD in goal line situations. Plus he's got some moves and decent speed at 6'3 250 (talking about bush).
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: columbusdude82 on January 10, 2007, 02:18:45 PM
Haha day 2 after the fiasco and the OSU campus still has this eerie funeral-like atmosphere...
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: body88 on January 10, 2007, 02:22:27 PM
I agree that Brady is a great QB.  In fact, not only do I think he's the best QB in the NFL, I think he's the best playoff QB since Montana.  That said, he has had good WRs.  Branch is very good.  Troy Brown is good.  Consistent.  Givens can play.  Patten can play.  They have like 5 TEs who can catch the ball.  They aren't Harrison/Wayne/Clark, but not Roddy White/Michael Jenkins/Brian Finneran either.  

Brady is 13 - 4 with a bunch of rookies and nobodys, In the afc.  Brown is the only guy still left. Caldwell has mirror numbers to Dion tho. You make good points.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: columbusdude82 on January 10, 2007, 02:26:31 PM
Man I miss the team we had last year, or two years ago, Mike Nugent, Justin Zwick, AJ Hawk, Bobby Carpenter... those were good days. To be perfectly honest, I didn't like the current team much all season, in spite of their winnings...
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: K-1 on January 10, 2007, 02:48:47 PM
First thing Petrino should do is trade Vick immediately and get Schaub back under center.  I sonder how many girls in NFL cities have caught herpes from mike vick?

I think Schaub is a perfect fit for Patrino's offensive philosophy and would actually probably be the better selection in this case.
 
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Fury on January 10, 2007, 05:38:42 PM
Man I miss the team we had last year, or two years ago, Mike Nugent, Justin Zwick, AJ Hawk, Bobby Carpenter... those were good days. To be perfectly honest, I didn't like the current team much all season, in spite of their winnings...

What was it like stealing a national title from Miami thanks to the refs?
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Earl1972 on January 11, 2007, 10:35:36 AM
Man I miss the team we had last year, or two years ago, Mike Nugent, Justin Zwick, AJ Hawk, Bobby Carpenter... those were good days. To be perfectly honest, I didn't like the current team much all season, in spite of their winnings...

haha you say that now ::)

I could understand you missing those guys but justin Zwick :o

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Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: columbusdude82 on January 11, 2007, 11:01:17 AM
haha you say that now ::)

I could understand you missing those guys but justin Zwick :o

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No, I've been saying that all along, since September, that this current team isn't all that in my view. People told me to stfu when they were winning the preseason and big ten games...

Zwick... yeah I know, it's mostly an emotional thing with missing the old team. AJ Hawk, now there's a football player!!!
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Option D on January 11, 2007, 11:02:24 AM
I think my USC Trojans will do it next year. We got John David commin back. Wide out that wears number 1. Patrick turner...6'5 230, all the tailbacks and we sportin the number 1 recruiting class in the nation...USC willbe there next yeat
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Old_Rooster on January 11, 2007, 11:05:12 AM
What was it like stealing a national title from Miami thanks to the refs?

And now the Miami Hurricanes are nothing more than a memory in college football.  The swagger is gone and now miami will never be heard from again in major college football.  They are simply a pathetic excuse for a football program.  My fave game of all time is when they came in chanting to alabama before the sugar bowl 'you wish you were a national champion'

then 3 hours later we were NATIONAL CHAMPS for the 12th time after bitchslapping the pathetic canes around the field 34-13

but alas, miami is simply a footnote in college football.  they had a nice decade run but never to be heard from again.  bye bye miami.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: columbusdude82 on January 11, 2007, 11:06:57 AM
I'm waiting to see the team Tressel puts together for next season... We may have a shot at winning next year ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Earl1972 on January 11, 2007, 11:19:09 AM
all the tailbacks and we sportin the number 1 recruiting class in the nation

they've had the number one class the last couple years but wear are they ranked number one this year?

rivals currently has them 4th

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Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Fury on January 11, 2007, 11:22:55 AM
I'm waiting to see the team Tressel puts together for next season... We may have a shot at winning next year ;D ;D ;D

No you won't. I'm going with WVU. Slaton's going to win the Heisman, too.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Option D on January 11, 2007, 11:33:52 AM
No you won't. I'm going with WVU. Slaton's going to win the Heisman, too.

I was thinking WV because they wont have Louisville or Rutgers balling like last season. But USC has depth...they will kick major ass in 07
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: columbusdude82 on January 11, 2007, 11:34:55 AM
No you won't. I'm going with WVU. Slaton's going to win the Heisman, too.

I didn't say we will or won't. I said we have a chance, based on what kind of team Coach Tressel puts together!
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Fury on January 11, 2007, 11:35:36 AM
I didn't say we will or won't. I said we have a chance, based on what kind of team Coach Tressel puts together!

You guys won't even beat Michigan next year.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Old_Rooster on January 11, 2007, 11:36:05 AM
No you won't. I'm going with WVU. Slaton's going to win the Heisman, too.

Who cares who wins the heisman, always goes to a player that turns out to be a joke anyway.   take ohio states QB for example.  bwahahaha   I bet that piece of shit don't even get drafted now.  whew doggie, he threw for 35 yards against the gators, whew, hold up that heisman dawg!
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Tre on January 11, 2007, 12:17:05 PM

There should be an "SEC vs Big Ten" challenge in football each year, sorta like they do in basketball...where the ACC kicks the living shit out of the Big Ten, year in, year out (48-27).

Speaking of, the Big 12 and Pac-10 are going to start a challenge series next season in hoops. 
 

Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: pumpster on January 11, 2007, 12:22:26 PM
It would make more sense to have Florida & LSU playing more evenly matched teams like USC. Why hasn't this happened? I don't know the history BTW.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Option D on January 11, 2007, 12:24:20 PM
It would make more sense to have Florida & LSU playing more evenly matched teams like USC. Why hasn't this happened? I don't know the history BTW.
The SEC wants no part of USC
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Old_Rooster on January 11, 2007, 12:42:40 PM
The SEC wants no part of USC

Quit patting yourself on the back so hard, USC didn't beat Florida or LSU, they beat Arkansas.

USC would lose 1 to 2 games every year in the SEC.
Title: Re: I propose a new rule for BCS championship game
Post by: Fury on January 11, 2007, 12:55:37 PM
Quit patting yourself on the back so hard, USC didn't beat Florida or LSU, they beat Arkansas.

USC would lose 1 to 2 games every year in the SEC.

Florida should've lost to South Carolina, they aren't this super team you're making them out to be. And Arkansas was obliterated by USC, not just beaten.