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Title: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: chainsaw on March 21, 2007, 03:45:24 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=2963443&page=1

Here you can get a list of all the recalled food.  Science diet and Iams, 2 of the best brands are among them (OVER 100 brands).  My 1 dog stopped eating a week ago and was throwing up, luckily I found this out about the recall.  He's eating rice and ground beef until They fix this, and he's been better.

Hope this helps.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Tapeworm on March 21, 2007, 04:58:40 AM
From that link:

Quote

Becker says that despite the recall, most of the foods on the shelf, regardless of price, are typically safe for pets' consumption.


"With the sheer number of pets being fed commercial pet food, this is a very small problem so far," he says.


Given the attachment people have to their pets and the number of rifles in the US, Mr. Becker may not be long for this world with comments like that.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Bluto on March 21, 2007, 04:59:58 AM
if you stick to proteinshakes this would never happen


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: LAMA-PAI on March 21, 2007, 05:01:39 AM
I CANT STAND DOG OWNERS ! DOGS ARE COOL ! :-\


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: smaul on March 21, 2007, 05:14:53 AM
I love dogs but hate people with dogs that don't clean up after their dog!  >:(


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ~flower~ on March 21, 2007, 05:17:21 AM
Science diet and Iams, 2 of the best brands are among them (OVER 100 brands). 


 Science Death and Iams are in the lower half of the crap in a bag rankings!  :-X

   
   Find a food with preferably 4 out of 4, or min 3 out of 4, of the first ingredients are MEAT based. 

    If I have to recommend a *hurl* kibble, I go with the "Chicken Soup for the Pet lovers Soul" line. 

    Or better yet, go to your butchers or grocery meat department and feed them some REAL food like a carnivore is designed to eat. 


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Tapeworm on March 21, 2007, 05:25:24 AM
I've often wondered about this.

Everyday, our dog gets meat of some kind (real meat, not processed shit) and dry food.  Does a dog need carbs too?  As carnivores, they'd survive on a protein/fat diet, but would they do as well?


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: EL Mariachi on March 21, 2007, 05:27:24 AM
im a proud owner of a american stafford. i feed him with hill's science Plan, its formulated with lamb and rice. He hates the food and only eats it when really hungry end of the day. i quess he s spoiled with our real food that we give him from now and then.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Butterbean on March 21, 2007, 05:27:51 AM


    If I have to recommend a *hurl* kibble, I go with the "Chicken Soup for the Pet lovers Soul" line. 



Flower, do you recommend the "Chicken Soup" line over "Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance" Chicken and Brown Rice?



Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: smaul on March 21, 2007, 05:28:40 AM
Dont feed a dog too much real beef.  Many dogs can develop skin problems similar to mange.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: EL Mariachi on March 21, 2007, 05:28:53 AM
you have to know what the parents of the dog were eatin, you have to give your dog she same food. hope this helps.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: MikeThaMachine on March 21, 2007, 05:31:57 AM
im a proud owner of a american stafford. i feed him with hill's science Plan, its formulated with lamb and rice. He hates the food and only eats it when really hungry end of the day. i quess he s spoiled with our real food that we give him from now and then.


You mean there is food left after you eat!!! :o :o :o


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: nycbull on March 21, 2007, 05:39:15 AM
Most dog foods that are sold in supermarkets are crap. If the first list in the ingredients is meat- by -products don't buy it. Meat- by- products mean everything on the cow except meat. It could be anything found on the slaughterhouse floor. It is crap and you wouldn't want that shit in your house. It is not FDA approved.

Only buy dogfood or catfood that list FDA approved meat as its first ingredient.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ~flower~ on March 21, 2007, 05:40:30 AM
I've often wondered about this.

Everyday, our dog gets meat of some kind (real meat, not processed shit) and dry food.  Does a dog need carbs too?  As carnivores, they'd survive on a protein/fat diet, but would they do as well?

 They do BETTER on a CARNIVORE diet.  Dogs don't digest and utilize grains. 

im a proud owner of a american stafford. i feed him with hill's science Plan, its formulated with lamb and rice. He hates the food and only eats it when really hungry end of the day. i quess he s spoiled with our real food that we give him from now and then.

  He hates it cause he knows it sucks and is not for a carnivore.



Dont feed a dog too much real beef.  Many dogs can develop skin problems similar to mange.

  huh?     a dog needs a variety and bones, and beef bones are usually too hard to be consumed so other animals need to be fed along with offals.   But developing mange?  I could see skin problems if someone just fed beef muscle and no bones or offals.


you have to know what the parents of the dog were eatin, you have to give your dog she same food. hope this helps.

   Are you for real?   :-\     No you don't have to feed the same thing.  You can even take a pup off of crap-in-a-bag and feed him real food. 

Flower, do you recommend the "Chicken Soup" line over "Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance" Chicken and Brown Rice?
Yes, I believe his line only has 2 of the first four as meat.


  we REALLY need a pets board to stop this insanity!!!   >:(


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: pumpster on March 21, 2007, 05:42:00 AM
Most dog foods that are sold in supermarkets are crap. If the first list in the ingredients is meat- by -products don't buy it. Meat- by- products mean everything on the cow except meat. It could be anything found on the slaughterhouse floor. It is crap and you wouldn't want that shit in your house. It is not FDA approved.

Only buy dogfood or catfood that list FDA approved meat as its first ingredient.

This is true, both cat & dog food. Science, Iams, Eukanuba etc. are the best of the mid-level brands, which isn't known to some who buy it or they're unwilling to pay a little more for lesser known alternatives. The better ones aren't that much more money IMO, especially if bought in bulk & are found at pet stores. Doesn't mean the better brands aren't suceptible to future problems like this, but for now they seem ok.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Tapeworm on March 21, 2007, 05:44:58 AM

  we REALLY need a pets board to stop this insanity!!!   >:(

Too late, my pet!

Ya, the vet said to keep the meat but decrease (but not eliminate) the dry food (which is a good brand), since the dog has grown... shall we say, "plump."

And no, he does not resemble his owner.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Butterbean on March 21, 2007, 05:45:29 AM



  we REALLY need a pets board to stop this insanity!!!   >:(
Maybe this is the new pet's board? :)



Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ~flower~ on March 21, 2007, 05:45:52 AM
This is true, both cat & dog food. Science, Iams, Eukanuba etc. are the best of the mid-level brands. The better ones aren't that much more money IMO, especially if bought in bulk.

 Science Death, Eukapuka and Iams are NOT the best of mid-level.   But you are right, you could spend a little more on a *hurl* better quaility crap-in-a-bag, or you could spend the same or even less on REAL dog food and have a healthier dog (less vet bills), smaller poops, and the dog would enjoy eating it. 


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: pumpster on March 21, 2007, 05:46:55 AM
Too late, my pet!

Ya, the vet said to keep the meat but decrease (but not eliminate) the dry food (which is a good brand), since the dog has grown... shall we say, "plump."


Dry vs. wet is very debatable; you could probably use a reduced version of dry just as well as using meat.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ~flower~ on March 21, 2007, 05:47:11 AM
Too late, my pet!

Ya, the vet said to keep the meat but decrease (but not eliminate) the dry food (which is a good brand), since the dog has grown... shall we say, "plump."

And no, he does not resemble his owner.

  raw meats and kibbles digest at different rates.  By mixing them you could be asking for digestive problems.    Why not do the right thing and go raw dog.

          :D


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ~flower~ on March 21, 2007, 05:48:19 AM
Dry vs. wet is very debatable; you could probably use a reduced version of dry just as well as using meat.

   kibble will NEVER compare feeding raw meat and bones.


   stop spewing this nonsense
  >:(


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: pumpster on March 21, 2007, 05:49:12 AM
Science Death, Eukapuka and Iams are NOT the best of mid-level.   But you are right, you could spend a little more on a *hurl* better quaility crap-in-a-bag, or you could spend the same or even less on REAL dog food and have a healthier dog (less vet bills), smaller poops, and the dog would enjoy eating it. 

They're the best of what's widely available and are mid-level.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: MikeThaMachine on March 21, 2007, 05:49:50 AM

   kibble will NEVER compare feeding raw meat and bones.


   stop spewing this nonsense
  >:(


Why is your post count going up?!?!?!?!?!


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: pumpster on March 21, 2007, 05:51:15 AM

   kibble will NEVER compare feeding raw meat and bones.


   stop spewing this nonsense
  >:(

Step off the soapbox and STFU; you are a vivid reminder that opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one.

Hope this helps

Dry is just fine given the relative few who are going to/can afford to use real food. Anything beyond that is mere opinion and should be framed as such.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: MikeThaMachine on March 21, 2007, 05:52:35 AM
Step off the soapbox and STFU; you are a vivid reminder that opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one.

Hope this helps




Other way around ass hat...



Hope this helps.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: pumpster on March 21, 2007, 05:53:16 AM



Other way around ass hat...



Hope this helps.

Incoherent


Hope this helps


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ~flower~ on March 21, 2007, 05:53:25 AM
Step off the soapbox and STFU; you are a vivid reminder that opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one.

Hope this helps


  it is not an opinion that a dog is a carnivore. 


    Hope this heps.

            :)


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: pumpster on March 21, 2007, 05:54:09 AM

  it is not an opinion that a dog is a carnivore. 


    Hope this heps.

            :)

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Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: JimmyTheFish on March 21, 2007, 05:55:18 AM
move this shit to the pet board  :D


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: EL Mariachi on March 21, 2007, 05:57:26 AM
flower what do you mean, science plan is not for a cornivore?


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: pumpster on March 21, 2007, 05:58:52 AM
move this shit to the pet board  :D

Yup; enough of the granola woodstock survivors correcting us on the "exact" food that must be used.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: pumpster on March 21, 2007, 05:59:35 AM
  great rebuttal   ::)


   Well I guess you can't refute facts so I'll let it slide.   ;D



Consider the source, "flower" who starts threads on swallowing a button. hahahahahah


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: trab on March 21, 2007, 05:59:56 AM
I've never had a problem wtih the generic Farm and Barn bag brands Ive fed for years.
Neither have my buds who have a lot of hunting dogs. They live long healthy lives.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Tapeworm on March 21, 2007, 06:03:20 AM
  raw meats and kibbles digest at different rates.  By mixing them you could be asking for digestive problems.    Why not do the right thing and go raw dog.

          :D

It's a mutt, and he's got a gut like a billy goat.  Honestly, I've never witnessed any digestive issues (except when the vet gave him a cortisone shot for a hot spot which caused panceatitis and nearly killed him - vets are brilliant!).

I reason it thusly: He's not in the wild, so he isn't grazing all day.  If I limit his diet to one meat per day, maybe with a bone, it might not meet his needs long term.  His meats vary - kangaroo, beef mince, steak, beef marrow bone, T-bone [bone], chicken, lamb bones - but always raw.  Even so, I figured "kibbles" would round out what an otherwise limited diet would lack.  If you've got bright ideas on "raw dog" nutrition that provide a well rounded diet, I'm all ears and cost isn't a concern.

Shit, now I sound like a dog nut.

BTW Flower, what are your views on collars and leashes?  ;)


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ~flower~ on March 21, 2007, 06:10:49 AM
Yup; enough of the granola woodstock survivors correcting us on the "exact" food that must be used.

  I can not take credit for the origin and evolution of dogs.

   
   They are what they are.    Why does it bother you that a carnivore is best able to thrive on a carnivore's diet?   Can they survive on a diet that includes grains and other fillers, well obviously yes.

   Try not to take it personally that I am pointing out facts and trying to show people there is another (better) way to feed. 

     :)



  and to the person who commented on by-products:  by-products are not floor sweepings, etc. They are the offals (organ meats) etc and are necessary in a canine diet.  So seeing by-products is not necessarily a bad thing.  Again you should look at the first 4 ingrediants and try and find a food that they are meat based.   ie: Chicken Soup for the Pet Lovers Soul line.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ~flower~ on March 21, 2007, 06:13:00 AM
It's a mutt, and he's got a gut like a billy goat.  Honestly, I've never witnessed any digestive issues (except when the vet gave him a cortisone shot for a hot spot which caused panceatitis and nearly killed him - vets are brilliant!).

I reason it thusly: He's not in the wild, so he isn't grazing all day.  If I limit his diet to one meat per day, maybe with a bone, it might not meet his needs long term.  His meats vary - kangaroo, beef mince, steak, beef marrow bone, T-bone [bone], chicken, lamb bones - but always raw.  Even so, I figured "kibbles" would round out what an otherwise limited diet would lack.  If you've got bright ideas on "raw dog" nutrition that provide a well rounded diet, I'm all ears and cost isn't a concern.

Shit, now I sound like a dog nut.

BTW Flower, what are your views on collars and leashes?  ;)


   meat, bones, offals.  there ya go.  Feed like a "prey model"  more meat and bones, and smaller amounts of organs (offals).   It is not rocket science.    But meat AND bones are important, an all meat diet will not provide a good calcium/phosphorus ratio. 



 recipes:

  http://www.rawfeddogs.net/Recipes (http://www.rawfeddogs.net/Recipes)
   

    http://www.rawfeddogs.net/ (http://www.rawfeddogs.net/)


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ManBearPig... on March 21, 2007, 06:15:12 AM
i don't have a dog, but i feed my neighbor's dog fists whenever i get a chance.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: punset on March 21, 2007, 06:16:25 AM
Any pet food bought in a grocery store is garbage!  Iams,Science Diet,Eukanuba are also garbage!  Most people assume that those three bands are good because vets sale them.  Well the vets get incentives from those companys to push their brands.  Any food that has meat by-products  should be avoided.  Good brands are Flint River Ranch,Wellness,Chicken Soup For the Pet Lovers Soul and there are many more.  These companys use human grade ingrediants not scraps and waste like the grocery store brands.  The high quality brands don't even cost that much more per bag and actually comes out to be cheaper than the garbage.  The good stuff comes out to be cheaper because a dog will get full on a smaller amount due to the quality ingrediants.  When eating the garbage they need more becuase it's like eating empty calories.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Tapeworm on March 21, 2007, 06:20:33 AM
i don't have a dog, but i feed my neighbor's dog fists whenever i get a chance.

Yeah?  Does it get off?  Or, why would you get off on that?


Cheers Flower.  I've been considering changing the mutt's diet.  Maybe make him a little nutrition spreadsheet like mine.  Ok...  ::)

Organs, you say?  I'll don my Hannibal Lector mask and head down to the butcher then!


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ~flower~ on March 21, 2007, 06:24:52 AM

  Good for you!   Check out that link I provided for more info and feeding ideas.

   Organs are a bit rich, so I wouldn't add a lot in the diet at a time.  And add foods in slowly, one at time so you will know if a particular food doesn't agree with him.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ribonucleic on March 21, 2007, 06:35:40 AM
My 1 dog stopped eating a week ago and was throwing up, luckily I found this out about the recall.  He's eating rice and ground beef until They fix this, and he's been better.

As dog people myself, I'm very glad to hear he's OK now.

If some suit decided a few lawsuits would cost less than trashing the batch, I hope the animals he murdered get to feast on his entrails in Hell.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Tapeworm on March 21, 2007, 06:41:27 AM
Cool shit!

He's picky with seafood - he says it smells weird - but the rest looks good (what, no kangaroo?).  I'll keep the dry food in every other day to start and go from there... a little canine carb cycle early on.

Cheers  :)


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: body88 on March 21, 2007, 06:47:23 AM
I told my puppy about the bad food. He told me "he don't eat no cheap shit", as illustrated in these pictures.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: TrapsMcLats on March 21, 2007, 07:08:12 AM
we feed our american pit bull terrier a raw diet from http://www.naturesvariety.com/ .  He loves the food and since we put him on the real raw food as opposed to just the kibble with raw enzymes, his digestive problems have cleared up and he has an easier time with his bad back legs and joint issues.  He's off previcox and doing great.  His coat is brighter and softer than ever and genuinely seems like a healthier dog.  Spend the money and your dog will love you for it.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Euro-monster on March 21, 2007, 08:52:33 AM
It seems everything is already said by Flower who's right by the way...theres no better way then to feed your dog raw..period.

I wish we had this at my country..i would put all my future dogs on it in a heartbeat given the chance..: http://www.naturesvariety.com/content.lasso?page=1308&-session=naturesvariety:3EC2930707d6b1C0A2OqG280 08B9


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: chainsaw on March 21, 2007, 12:35:54 PM

 Science Death and Iams are in the lower half of the crap in a bag rankings!  :-X

   
   Find a food with preferably 4 out of 4, or min 3 out of 4, of the first ingredients are MEAT based. 

    If I have to recommend a *hurl* kibble, I go with the "Chicken Soup for the Pet lovers Soul" line. 

    Or better yet, go to your butchers or grocery meat department and feed them some REAL food like a carnivore is designed to eat. 


Great post, I'm considering that.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Butterbean on March 21, 2007, 01:46:26 PM
Raw fed Great Danes at feeding time:   32" vertical jump one is so excited!!!


  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pphoNerNRU4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pphoNerNRU4)
Great video Flower.  Did he say that feeding raw will double the length of their lives?  How many pounds per pound of body weight is needed?  Why did the cats get such seemingly large portions? 


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: pumpster on March 21, 2007, 06:34:38 PM
It seems everything is already said by Flower who's right by the way...theres no better way then to feed your dog raw..period.


Nothing profound there; also unrealistic for most, which wasn't mentioned of course. These claims are just another set of opinions, far from necessary. Gives some of us a cause, something to talk about. ;D


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Princess L on March 21, 2007, 06:40:18 PM
Scout's been getting the Chicken Soup line.  He loves it.

Here's the ingredient list:

    Chicken, turkey, chicken meal, ocean fish meal, cracked pearled barley, whole grain brown rice, oatmeal, millet, white rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), potatoes, egg product, tomato pomace, duck, salmon, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, choline chloride, dried chicory root, kelp, carrots, peas, apples, tomatoes, blueberries, spinach, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extract, parsley flake, yucca schidigera extract, L-carnitine, Enterococcus faecieum, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Saccharomyces cerevesiae fermentation solubles, dried Aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.

   


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: TrapsMcLats on March 21, 2007, 06:50:47 PM
Double their lifespan??  i doubt it, my parents lab has been on purina kibble for her entire life and she is 16.5 years old and going strong.  She's also been on rimadyl, previcox  or duramax at some point or another and is doing just fine.  She's living the full life expectancy of the breed.  Food CAN be a major factor in a dogs life, but breeding is just as big.  If you get a purebred dog for less than 400 dollars, chances are it will have a multitude of problems, if you're paying over a grand, chances are it WON'T have a ton of problems.  It comes down to genetics and breeding standards just as much as the food they eat.  My parents go to a renowned vet who recommends purina and says  it all comes down to the individual dog.  Myself personally, i will keep my dog on the raw stuff because he responds to it so well, but if he were fine on kibble, i'd keep him on it just the same. 


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Euro-monster on March 22, 2007, 02:02:17 AM
Rimadyl is a very good medicine for dogs that gotten older and stiffer in the joints. My oldest dog scooby is on Rimadyl and she's doing great while on it but once in a while we ran out of it and you immediately see a difference in strenght and endurance while taking walks outside..



Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: onlyme on March 22, 2007, 04:37:30 AM
Wow this is going to ruin Shadows Thanksgiving this year.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Princess L on March 22, 2007, 06:40:45 PM
Rimadyl is a very good medicine for dogs that gotten older and stiffer in the joints. My oldest dog scooby is on Rimadyl and she's doing great while on it but once in a while we ran out of it and you immediately see a difference in strenght and endurance while taking walks outside..


I've heard that before from people whose dogs are on Rimadyl, however, I've also heard it's hard on the liver.   Did you ever consider glucosamine/chondroitin?


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Euro-monster on March 23, 2007, 02:37:45 AM

I've heard that before from people whose dogs are on Rimadyl, however, I've also heard it's hard on the liver.   Did you ever consider glucosamine/chondroitin?

We tryed that but it didn't do anything for her. Ar first we had her on Cortaphen but she reacted mildly on that so we switched to Rimadyl. She doing better then on the other two medicine and liver problems are no concern to us because this year she's going to be 15 years old. We go for quality over quantity in life.. ;)


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ~flower~ on March 23, 2007, 04:39:21 AM
Yup- I would use Rimadyl as a last resort, or in EM's case an older dog.




 Princess I am glad Scout likes that Chicken Soup.   :D



Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: youandme on March 23, 2007, 08:30:10 AM
Looks like menu foods was covering up alot more than previous thought. while the fda and menu foods were blaming gluten a wheat product (which does not contribute to kidney failure) investigators from the state agriculture department uncovered rat poision. That CEO of menu foods needs to be fired for his earlier comments on downplaying the severity of 60 million recalls, companies need to be held accountable for their actions.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ~flower~ on March 23, 2007, 08:47:37 AM
chainsaw, even though your dog is better, you might want to call your vet. Renal failure may be possible in the future.   I hope he's fine.   :(


Rat Poison to Blame for Pet Food Contamination
Sources Tell ABC News Rat Poison Has Been Found in the Contaminated Pet Food That Has Killed Scores of Animals
By DAVID KERLEY

March 23, 2007 - ABC News has learned that investigators have determined that a rodent-killing chemical is the toxin in the tainted pet food that has killed several animals.

A source close to the investigation tells ABC News that the rodenticide, which the source says is illegal to use in the United States, was on wheat that was imported from China and used by Menu Foods in nearly 100 brands of dog and cat food.

Watch "World News" for full details on the extent of the poisoning.

A news conference is scheduled for this afternoon by experts in Albany, N.Y., where scientists at the state's food laboratory made the discovery a week after a massive recall of 60 million cans and pouches was issued.

The chemical is called aminopterin.

What investigators can't say so far is whether this is the only contaminant, if it is in all of the recalled food, or if it's in enough quantity in to sicken more animals.

There is some good news according to the source. Knowing the chemical should aid veterinarians who are treating animals that have been sickened by the pet food.

Aminopterin is used in the United States in, of all things, a cancer drug, according to the source.

For a week, investigators have been looking for a cause behind the 15 confirmed pet food deaths tied to contaminated pet food. Many animal doctors, including those at New York's Animal Medical Center, suspect there will be a much larger rash of cases after they learned about an additional 200 reported cases of kidney failure in animals.

Doctors at the hospital, which is considered the Mayo Clinic of veterinary medicine, say they noticed the kidney failure while studying sick animals from last Friday to Monday, and traced the cases back to the 60 million cans and pouches of recalled food from Menu Food.

"I was shocked and surprised -- acute kidney failure is not a common problem," veterinarian Cathy Langston told ABC News. "I've already heard about 200 cases, and so I bet that there are probably going to be thousands."

So far, the government and the pet food maker, which sells food under 91 brand names, have confirmed 15 deaths. But the investigation to locate the toxic contaminant that caused the kidney failure in animals had not pointed to a cause until today.

"This is very much like finding a needle in a haystack," Don Smith of the Cornell Veterinary School said earlier this week. "We're going to keep working at this until we find the cause."

Investigators had already begun looking at the possibility that a pesticide or chemical may have been on the wheat used to produce the Menu Foods dog and cat food.

The Food and Drug Administration, which was notified of the tainted food one day before the recall, said it's frustrated and realizes the growing crisis is an emotional one.

"This is tragic," said Stephen Sundolf of the FDA's Veterinary Medicine group. "It is certainly uncommon. We expect pet food to be safe."

And it's a crisis, if the New York hospital is right, that may not end for weeks.

"I'm worried that there are more deaths to come from chronic renal failure over the next several months," Langston said. "It's not over."

Copyright 2007 ABC News Internet Ventures


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: pumpster on March 23, 2007, 09:24:07 AM
Scout's been getting the Chicken Soup line.  He loves it.



There are a number of good brands, this is one.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: gtbro1 on March 23, 2007, 09:29:55 AM
Dont feed a dog too much real beef.  Many dogs can develop skin problems similar to mange.

then they would be a "mange mutt"


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Tapeworm on March 24, 2007, 12:34:03 AM
Fvcking China, might have guessed it.  >:(


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Euro-monster on March 24, 2007, 02:37:55 AM
Fvcking China, might have guessed it.  >:(

What do you mean...they love dogs in China and they love dogs in Korea too... :-\


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: pumpster on March 24, 2007, 03:27:41 AM
What do you mean...they love dogs in China and they love dogs in Korea too... :-\
Ya sure  ::)


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Euro-monster on March 24, 2007, 03:34:06 AM
Ya sure  ::)

Duh!... ;)


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Camel Jockey on March 24, 2007, 03:52:22 PM
Wow! Some vicious looking dog pictures on this thread.


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Butterbean on March 24, 2007, 04:46:20 PM
Wow! Some vicious looking dog pictures on this thread.




Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Euro-monster on March 26, 2007, 04:09:07 AM



I think My dog can out sleep your dog Stella!.... :D


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Butterbean on March 26, 2007, 05:16:58 AM
I think My dog can out sleep your dog Stella!.... :D
OH yeah?



Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ~flower~ on March 26, 2007, 05:24:10 AM
 :)


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Euro-monster on March 26, 2007, 08:10:51 AM
Yeah.... :D


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ~flower~ on March 26, 2007, 08:16:57 AM
Roma looks like a bean bag chair!! lollz    ;D


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Euro-monster on March 26, 2007, 08:24:27 AM
Roma looks like a bean bag chair!! lollz    ;D

I just helt my hands over her ears when you said that... :(
She's very sensitive about her weight... :-\


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ~flower~ on March 26, 2007, 08:27:12 AM
I just helt my hands over her ears when you said that... :(
She's very sensitive about her weight... :-\


 shouldn't you have covered her eyes so she couldn't read it?    8)


 I meant more cause of her smushy face.   


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Euro-monster on March 26, 2007, 08:29:13 AM

 shouldn't you have covered her eyes so she couldn't read it?    8)


 I meant more cause of her smushy face.   


You really think dogs can read?.... :-\

Now you made her cry...... >:(


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ~flower~ on March 26, 2007, 08:30:11 AM
You really think dogs can read?.... :-\

Now you made her cry...... >:(


 You are the one that implied she was fat, I said she has a smushy face! 


           >:(


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Euro-monster on March 26, 2007, 08:33:07 AM

 You are the one that implied she was fat, I said she has a smushy face! 


           >:(

You said her face looked like a beanbag... :-\

She's not speaking to you no mo.... >:(


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: ~flower~ on March 26, 2007, 08:36:13 AM
You said her face looked like a beanbag... :-\

She's not speaking to you no mo.... >:(


  that's too bad, I can understand her better than you.     ;D


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: knny187 on March 26, 2007, 08:52:26 AM
thats pretty funny actually


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Euro-monster on March 26, 2007, 01:05:04 PM
thats pretty funny actually

Wha?... ???


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: Princess L on March 26, 2007, 07:08:56 PM
Another sleeping dog


Title: Re: GETBIGGERS WITH DOGS (SERIOUS FOOD RECALL) MY DOG GOT SICK!
Post by: peruke on March 26, 2007, 07:20:56 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=2963443&page=1

Here you can get a list of all the recalled food.  Science diet and Iams, 2 of the best brands are among them (OVER 100 brands).  My 1 dog stopped eating a week  >:(.

Hope this helps.




I am sorry about your dog, but I am glad you caught it in time...One of my cats also had problems....It as killed cats and dogs all over!!! >:(