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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Positive Bodybuilding Discussion & Talk => Natural Bodybuilding => Topic started by: Andre Nickatina on May 26, 2007, 01:53:33 AM
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Twats i say. Grow some balls and make it the manly way. A good old saying is there is no shortcut to being a champion. but you juiicers just likwe to take that nice easy way to building muscle. Before you mock me try staying natural and being a good size. that will prove youre status as a real champion. Get real juciers. your weak and have no fucking will to be great naturally.
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Fresh orange juice is a favorite. :)
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there really is no orange juice like fresh-squeezed orange juice
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Twats i say. Grow some balls and make it the manly way. A good old saying is there is no shortcut to being a champion. but you juiicers just likwe to take that nice easy way to building muscle. Before you mock me try staying natural and being a good size. that will prove youre status as a real champion. Get real juciers. your weak and have no fucking will to be great naturally.
are you suggesting that the governater is a girly man ??? >:(
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f@#k you, i think u must have no balls to juice yet hope to have a good body.
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Ha,Ha...
I drink "juice"over 20 years !
And favour California's sunkist & Florida's oranges !those are best in the world !!
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f@#k you, i think u must have no balls to juice yet hope to have a good body.
My body is fine ive posted a pic and i believe ive done quite well for just a year of training. But yes fuck me, feel how you want about me ill live longer than a steroid pumping fuck. use it all you want all your doing is making an ass of yourself.
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oh just a year of training??u still have a long way to go.i believe some peoples who started to juice already obtain ur type of 'fine ' body long ago..
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Ive trained a year. I let myself absorb knowledge of the idea of bodybuilding for about 6 months. I've trained for a year and have made very positive improvements. you on the other hand are an idiot. mind and body it seems. . id appreciate it if you lick my nuts. leave this topic please you make no relevant point.
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you got it all wrong. juice is for the strong. only cowards dont dare to juice. chickenshits.
all naturals should be ashamed of themselves. those cheaters.
cheating themselves from maximum muscle gains!
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Ive trained a year. I let myself absorb knowledge of the idea of bodybuilding for about 6 months. I've trained for a year and have made very positive improvements. you on the other hand are an idiot. mind and body it seems. . id appreciate it if you lick my nuts. leave this topic please you make no relevant point.
u should leave instead of me go to forums tat talk about running , swimming, golf, basketball,soccer....dun talk abt bodybuild
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you got it all wrong. juice is for the strong. only cowards dont dare to juice. chickenshits.
all naturals should be ashamed of themselves. those cheaters.
cheating themselves from maximum muscle gains!
Yes Bluto you make a startling point!!!! I'm going to be a chicken shit and go hit the needle right now!!!
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Yes Bluto you make a startling point!!!! I'm going to be a chicken shit and go hit the needle right now!!!
no, i think his point is that you are 'chicken shit' if you don't hit the needle.
however, seeing as he was being sarcastic, maybe it doesn't matter.
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I'm not being sarcastic.
With the risks etc involved with juicing, it takes more balls than not juicing.
And someone taking risks can't by definition be a coward.
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They took juice because of you bitches!!
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no, i think his point is that you are 'chicken shit' if you don't hit the needle.
however, seeing as he was being sarcastic, maybe it doesn't matter.
Okay "Beast"
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Ah yet another loser whose cycle didn't give him the results he had hoped for.
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Twats i say. Grow some balls and make it the manly way. A good old saying is there is no shortcut to being a champion. but you juiicers just likwe to take that nice easy way to building muscle. Before you mock me try staying natural and being a good size. that will prove youre status as a real champion. Get real juciers. your weak and have no fucking will to be great naturally.
Damn buddy, your really got NO idea of anything. :) But cmon, take some juice, when you thik it's that EASYYYY with juice. Man you'll be disappointed.... ;D
"STEROIDS DON'T CREATE CHAMPIONS!!!"
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Ha,Ha...
I drink "juice"over 20 years !
And favour California's sunkist & Florida's oranges !those are best in the world !!
this is shot like OJ porn.
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Not bad!
If only the weak get this, call me weak anytime!
(http://www.floridajuice.com/images/img_grapefruit_juice.jpg)
(http://ars.usda.gov/images/docs/2361_2545/Orange%20Juice.jpg)
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Ive trained a year. I let myself absorb knowledge of the idea of bodybuilding for about 6 months. I've trained for a year and have made very positive improvements. you on the other hand are an idiot. mind and body it seems. . id appreciate it if you lick my nuts. leave this topic please you make no relevant point.
newbie... we will see how you feel in about 5 years after your growth slows down. a year? that is nothing son, nothing! mark my words if you are still lifting you will think about it. as a matter of fact, I bet you are thinking about it right now.
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newbie... we will see how you feel in about 5 years after your growth slows down. a year? that is nothing son, nothing! mark my words if you are still lifting you will think about it. as a matter of fact, I bet you are thinking about it right now.
have you seen the pic of this kid? ;D
if it actually is a 12 year old boy (as opposed to my theory that it's a 12 year old girl) his balls definitely haven't dropped yet.
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Twats i say. Grow some balls and make it the manly way. A good old saying is there is no shortcut to being a champion. but you juiicers just likwe to take that nice easy way to building muscle. Before you mock me try staying natural and being a good size. that will prove youre status as a real champion. Get real juciers. your weak and have no fucking will to be great naturally.
You can only go so far naturally.........
Are you mad at juicers because they're bigger than you?....
We'll your healtier than them.....
It's a choice you have to make..
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Looks like the topic starter doesn't respond to gear very well, and wants to share it with us.
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Twats i say. Grow some balls and make it the manly way. A good old saying is there is no shortcut to being a champion. but you juiicers just likwe to take that nice easy way to building muscle. Before you mock me try staying natural and being a good size. that will prove youre status as a real champion. Get real juciers. your weak and have no fucking will to be great naturally.
Steroids for insecure "brutal on and off" users ::) If you compete that's another story
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Stop your hurting my feelings.
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You can only go so far naturally.........
Are you mad at juicers because they're bigger than you?....
We'll your healtier than them.....
It's a choice you have to make..
I'm a hater and i hope juicers get busted ands then get liver and kidney problems. jsut because they're bigger than me, yes.
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I'm a hater and i hope juicers get busted ands then get liver and kidney problems. jsut because they're bigger than me, yes.
There is no evidence about regular dosaged juice being harmfull for adult males.
Hope this helps.
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let it out
let it all out
you'll feel better
:P
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There is no evidence about regular dosaged juice being harmfull for adult males.
Hope this helps.
You read alot of what John Romano writes i take it. do your own research asshole. And if you juice i hope you get mean posession charges one day. And a fake batch.
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Allready did, no luck i'm afraid. Never seen a juicer getting seriously ill, and trust me i know a lot of them.
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what would a person that posts on a bodybuilding board yet looks down on juice be?
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what would a person that posts on a bodybuilding board yet looks down on juice be?
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a very very jealous, bitter and insecure individual ironically enough.
seriously, i don't know why all the hate for people that make, basically, a life choice. :-\
the simple fact is that anabolic steroids are nowhere near as dangerous and harmful to society and health than other drugs that have been used, encouraged and available since, well, forever.
all this vitriol aimed at steroid users is a quite amusing and a little embarrassing on a bbing message board. :-[
i would have more respect for these individuals if they simply admitted that the true motivation for their bitterness is that they have been bullied or abused and suffer psychological problems as a result.
to play the harm card is ludicrous. please, someone, anyone prove to me that steroids are anywhere close to being harmful as perfectly legal drugs like, say, alcohol or cigarettes.
anyone ???..........(crickets) ;)
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At the end of the day we are all bodybuilders! There are enough people looking to attack us without this kind of childish infighting.Whether we take gear or stay natural is a personal choice and one that should be respected.I think bodybuilding is a far less hypocritical sport than many as you have the choice to compete naturally or assisted.The only 'cheating' involved is when drug users compete in natural contests which shows a distinct lack of balls and integrity.I am lifetime natural but have many friends who aren't.I will probably never have their size and thickness although I think I can show them a few things about condition 8) There's no point in whinging though just make your choice and get on with it.
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At the end of the day we are all bodybuilders! There are enough people looking to attack us without this kind of childish infighting.Whether we take gear or stay natural is a personal choice and one that should be respected.I think bodybuilding is a far less hypocritical sport than many as you have the choice to compete naturally or assisted.The only 'cheating' involved is when drug users compete in natural contests which shows a distinct lack of balls and integrity.I am lifetime natural but have many friends who aren't.I will probably never have their size and thickness although I think I can show them a few things about condition 8) There's no point in whinging though just make your choice and get on with it.
here here!!! 8)
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Twats i say. Grow some balls and make it the manly way. A good old saying is there is no shortcut to being a champion. but you juiicers just likwe to take that nice easy way to building muscle. Before you mock me try staying natural and being a good size. that will prove youre status as a real champion. Get real juciers. your weak and have no fucking will to be great naturally.
he looked for a source for 2 years and couldnt find one,,,,so this is his have not speech!!!!
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Ummm, take a look at most 60 year olds who have NEVER taken hormones. They are in bad shape my friend. Now the studies are finding out low testosterone in men is an open door to diease and poor health. I doubt your diet is even clean heh. Probably be on Lipitor, Xanax, and Cialis by 50. :(
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If you drink enough of this Juice......The ladies will love you for it!!!!
(http://www.melissas.com/images/products/2457a.jpg)
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You read alot of what John Romano writes i take it. do your own research asshole. And if you juice i hope you get mean posession charges one day. And a fake batch.
i am a former juicer, you are terribly rude. I have many friends that still juice and it doesnt bother me. Who are you to judge someone?? what skeletons are in your closet.
do u look at porn???
do u cheat on your taxes, or even pay taxes??
so your perfect?
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Man thats funny, I USE to think the same exact thing. My saying was ''STEROIDS ARE FOR THE WEAK MINDED" but you know what?? My view on "JUICE" quickly changed. The more and more I said that, the more curious I became about steroids and just recently Ive decided for sure that im gonna try juice, sauce, roids, whtever you wanna call them. Why?? Im curious, sooner or later, you will be too ;)
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There is no evidence about regular dosaged juice being harmfull for adult males.
Hope this helps.
Thats because there are no studies you muppet! I know plenty of guys on steroids they all had side effects. I did my dissertation on environmental causes of steroid use I had interviewed about 10 roiders one was impotent for 6 months (last count) and fucked up his kidneys. One was temporarily impotent and later got spots and started taking ruakatan aswell for the spots (which fucks up your liver) thats ontop of whatever else he took eg for bitch tits. Then he quit.
One occassionally complained of impotence and had rubber like discs under his nipples (pre-gyno I guess?) he had deep depression at one point and was taking valium.
Two guys I know but didn't interview had 6 strokes between them. There may have been drug interactions at play. 1 of them ended up with underactive thyroid (although this could be coincidence). One other came off steroids but was recieving hormone replacement on prescription in his mid 30's (which I know because I saw his prescription in the bin in the gym changing rooms).
Furthermore the affects of steroids are well documented eg the steroid shield.
Acute: Testes shut down
Chronic: Body produces testosterone anti bodies
All the hormonal affects tend to be primarily caused by duration of usage and not by dosage.
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Dun we all love juice...apple, orange, pina colada, grape, carrot...damn, there are so many juices to choose from that u dun know which bloody one works for ya....so choose ur juices carefully muscleheads ;)
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Thats because there are no studies you muppet! I know plenty of guys on steroids they all had side effects. I did my dissertation on environmental causes of steroid use I had interviewed about 10 roiders one was impotent for 6 months (last count) and fucked up his kidneys. One was temporarily impotent and later got spots and started taking ruakatan aswell for the spots (which fucks up your liver) thats ontop of whatever else he took eg for bitch tits. Then he quit.
One occassionally complained of impotence and had rubber like discs under his nipples (pre-gyno I guess?) he had deep depression at one point and was taking valium.
Two guys I know but didn't interview had 6 strokes between them. There may have been drug interactions at play. 1 of them ended up with underactive thyroid (although this could be coincidence). One other came off steroids but was recieving hormone replacement on prescription in his mid 30's (which I know because I saw his prescription in the bin in the gym changing rooms).
Furthermore the affects of steroids are well documented eg the steroid shield.
Acute: Testes shut down
Chronic: Body produces testosterone anti bodies
All the hormonal affects tend to be primarily caused by duration of usage and not by dosage.
Here's a perfect example of the kind of ASSHOLEic "Research" done on the subject.
WhyTF dont you just go to the New England Journal of Med for their research on 600mgs a week of TE?
Or, the WHO's (World Health Org) long term contraceptive study?
Or many others done mostlly in Europe? Because it wont support your AGENDA, THATS WHY.
10 steroid users selected BECAUSE they had problems ::)
If the stuff were very dangerous there be Sport stadiums full of dead athletes - BECAUSE MOST USE!!
Yeah, they can harm you. So can Snicker Bars and Big Macs too.
ANother Nattie making excuses for his dissatisfaction. Hey cheer up, you prolly wont grow much on them anyway, and
ya too stupid too use them right. Prolly best you dont ;D
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ISNT'T THIS TROLLING?
"JUICE IS FOR THE WEAK"
Oh wait trolling against the bigger juicers is allowed, not vice versa.. now i get it.
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Looks like the topic starter doesn't respond to gear very well, and wants to share it with us.
If you want to juice, it's fine, but maybe you should just go over to the steroid section instead of flaming here. ;)
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who cares what these morons say....If you wanna be natural be natural and if u wanna juice go ahead and juice. Does it really matter? All i here from 90 percent of the natural people here is bitching becuase someone was able to gain more muscle than them in a shorter period of time and they feel its cheating cause they think they worked so hard for so little and blah blah blah. Who cares? By the way for everyone speaking how horribly bad steroids are for you and for "Andre Nickatina" who obviously posted this thread to start a fight and get people bitching and moaning what about the health effects from drinking alcahol or eating fast food and so on and so on. What about the health effects americans are facing from all that shit? Why dont you post a usefull thread about the dangers of fast food and alcahol and tabacco and so on that is perfectly legal in this country? Instead you gotta get on here trying to cause trouble. By the way bodybuilding would not be what it is today or a billion dollar industry if it werent for the use of Anabolic Hormones
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If you want to juice, it's fine, but maybe you should just go over to the steroid section instead of flaming here. ;)
I agree w/ you that its gotten WAY outof control. Only reason I ever started posting here (GB) is theres so many clueless young guys about to MESS THEMSELF UP W/ aas BIG TIME HERE. Doses/stacks ideas are too high with a lot of guys that just started lifting! I never touched any steroid till I was 39. Yeah, I could have built a very inpressive body if I started in my 20s, but there was basicly no good info out there back then. I could see problems, wierd shit with the guys, and they were all basicly clueless as to what they were doing.
BBing can be a healthy persuit, even with limited amts of AAS IMO. But Pro BBing is far from that.
Bill Phillips, who wrote one of the 1st "Steroid bibles" said... "At a BBing comp, the most UNHEALTHY people are up on the stage, if Drs looked at their blood work, they'd want to hospitalize some of them!"
BUt that Mutant Ninja Turtle look sells. Without steroids, No IFBB, The Wielder empire would never have been built.
The insulin look is disgusting. I dont like Jays look, Ronnie was pushing it. Dorian was the only one to pull it off IMO.
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When i used to cycle, i remember looking at those guys around me in the gym that i knew did not use, and think to myself how bad i wish i had the confidence they did to train natural. IT was like a never ending rat race. I used for a few months, got huge, a lot of attention, but in the back of my mind i was always thinking, crap only 8,7,6,5 more weeks till i come back down to earth. No matter what anyone sais, even with proper PCT you will not maintain the size you had while you were on. There are 3 older guys(early 40's i think) in my gym who are very blatent about their use. They are pathetic. Huge, red, and bloated. Squating 500 lbs on the smith machine, bouncing it off the rubber stoppers with a flat bench under their butts. And this is the best part. He gets up screams and sais "STICK THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT" If i wasnt there myself i would not have believed it. Those guys like that who feel the need to juice are making up for something. Im convinced. I dont care what anyone sais on the steroid boards, they would love to be able to train naturally with confidence. This is coming from personal experience. Some i assume are able to do a cycle every now and then, but the majority are always cycling on and off. If you dont compete, whats the point???? Some of this idiots need to start looking inside themselves and have a little heart to heart.
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When i used to cycle, i remember looking at those guys around me in the gym that i knew did not use, and think to myself how bad i wish i had the confidence they did to train natural. IT was like a never ending rat race. I used for a few months, got huge, a lot of attention, but in the back of my mind i was always thinking, crap only 8,7,6,5 more weeks till i come back down to earth. No matter what anyone sais, even with proper PCT you will not maintain the size you had while you were on. There are 3 older guys(early 40's i think) in my gym who are very blatent about their use. They are pathetic. Huge, red, and bloated. Squating 500 lbs on the smith machine, bouncing it off the rubber stoppers with a flat bench under their butts. And this is the best part. He gets up screams and sais "STICK THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT" If i wasnt there myself i would not have believed it. Those guys like that who feel the need to juice are making up for something. Im convinced. I dont care what anyone sais on the steroid boards, they would love to be able to train naturally with confidence. This is coming from personal experience. Some i assume are able to do a cycle every now and then, but the majority are always cycling on and off. If you dont compete, whats the point???? Some of this idiots need to start looking inside themselves and have a little heart to heart.
well, you've got a point there, but from what i can see, it seems it's the guys that are natural that have the insecurity.
think about it, these kind of threads are a dime a dozen on getbig. it's always guys that are natural pointing the finger and saying, "all drugs" while the juice heads just seem to go about their business.
you don't see the juicers pointing fingers at the naturals and complaining do you?
i remember Matt C would seemingly start a topic every day about juice this and juice that and you could just see that this guy was just dying to get on the gear.
if the these guys actually felt secure they wouldn't go on about it every 5 seconds.
any extra years of life they may have over the juicers is spent whinging and bitching about them.
anyway, food for thought. :)
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any extra years of life they may have over the juicers is spent whinging and bitching about them.
anyway, food for thought ;D
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Yes, But The drugs are overdone IMO. I hate these guys,,, "I been training for 8 months now and want to ..
God, I could likely DOUBLE THEIR bench NAT in 12 months! (Thats because they lift so shity and wrong to start ;))
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any extra years of life they may have over the juicers is spent whinging and bitching about them.
anyway, food for thought ;D
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Yes, But The drugs are overdone IMO. I hate these guys,,, "I been training for 8 months now and want to ..
God, I could likely DOUBLE THEIR bench NAT in 12 months! (Thats because they lift so shity and wrong to start ;))
ok, but they're not hurting anyone but themselves, if even that. i really don't see the evidence that moderate dosages of roids (especially injectables) are really hurting anyone.
i mean, they could be out shooting heroin or smoking crack and robbing convenient stores.
each to their own i say. too many other things much more important than what some guys shoots into his muscle.
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ok, but they're not hurting anyone but themselves, if even that. i really don't see the evidence that moderate dosages of roids (especially injectables) are really hurting anyone.
i mean, they could be out shooting heroin or smoking crack and robbing convenient stores.
each to their own i say. too many other things much more important than what some guys shoots into his muscle.
Yeah , I write more on the steroid board than anywhere else here ;). I think moderate intermitant use can be downright healthy. Many Guys are overbaord though. They feel like shit and wonder why ::).
Not everyone needs 800mg of TE and 600 deca a week.
You should see what some these jokers thinking about running for a 1st time. God!
Ive seen ... insulin, DNP,HGH,HCG & 6 different aas... as a intended 1st time stack!
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When i used to cycle, i remember looking at those guys around me in the gym that i knew did not use, and think to myself how bad i wish i had the confidence they did to train natural. IT was like a never ending rat race. I used for a few months, got huge, a lot of attention, but in the back of my mind i was always thinking, crap only 8,7,6,5 more weeks till i come back down to earth. No matter what anyone sais, even with proper PCT you will not maintain the size you had while you were on. There are 3 older guys(early 40's i think) in my gym who are very blatent about their use. They are pathetic. Huge, red, and bloated. Squating 500 lbs on the smith machine, bouncing it off the rubber stoppers with a flat bench under their butts. And this is the best part. He gets up screams and sais "STICK THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT" If i wasnt there myself i would not have believed it. Those guys like that who feel the need to juice are making up for something. Im convinced. I dont care what anyone sais on the steroid boards, they would love to be able to train naturally with confidence. This is coming from personal experience. Some i assume are able to do a cycle every now and then, but the majority are always cycling on and off. If you dont compete, whats the point???? Some of this idiots need to start looking inside themselves and have a little heart to heart.
My friend (I can say that because he his my friend ;D ) you make some excellent points. I personally don't care if I have take steroids or not. IMO - it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I've noticed at least with myself my training methods &/or intensity doesn't change when on or off. I've always used gear like a tool & not a crutch (but that's just me).
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My friend (I can say that because he his my friend ;D ) you make some excellent points. I personally don't care if I have take steroids or not. IMO - it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I've noticed at least with myself my training methods &/or intensity doesn't change when on or off. I've always used gear like a tool & not a crutch (but that's just me).
Because i know Rim personally hes got his shit together. Good Career, family. You have the correct attitude. Using it as another element of your training system. Unfortunately for a majority, juice becomes a crutch for a lot of guys, They can't train without it, or wont. Youve seen them as much as i have. The doseages that are common today for guys that will never set foot on stage, are outragious.
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well, you've got a point there, but from what i can see, it seems it's the guys that are natural that have the insecurity.
think about it, these kind of threads are a dime a dozen on getbig. it's always guys that are natural pointing the finger and saying, "all drugs" while the juice heads just seem to go about their business.
you don't see the juicers pointing fingers at the naturals and complaining do you?
i remember Matt C would seemingly start a topic every day about juice this and juice that and you could just see that this guy was just dying to get on the gear.
if the these guys actually felt secure they wouldn't go on about it every 5 seconds.
any extra years of life they may have over the juicers is spent whinging and bitching about them.
anyway, food for thought. :)
You are right, on the boards most guys are well informed and just go about their business. I am talking about these idiots in our gyms that walk around like everyone's intimidated by them and all the girls love them. That is whats pathetic. Because when they go off, you dont see them anymore. Then outa nowhere they come back in, small, looking like someone let the air of of them, start working out again, and in 4 weeks blow right back up and start strutting their stuff.
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Because i know Rim personally hes got his shit together. Good Career, family. You have the correct attitude. Using it as another element of your training system. Unfortunately for a majority, juice becomes a crutch for a lot of guys, They can't train without it, or wont. Youve seen them as much as i have. The doseages that are common today for guys that will never set foot on stage, are outragious.
I agree w/ most here, (Rim seems pretty cool to Bud)...
But do remember, AAS were not developed for the pursuit of a 20" arm & a trophy ;)!
BBing is but 1 use of the stuff. People use them for various reason. They sure make throwing around scaffolding & Plank & Manuvering a upright 40' extension ladder a whole lot easier for a 40 yr old guy!
Doses are way over blown, I agree. If your gonna hit hard, hit fast IMO. Running long term on a Gr is prolly not good
regardless if Magnus and the boys aint dropping like flies.
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If you want to juice, it's fine, but maybe you should just go over to the steroid section instead of flaming here. ;)
This topic is a big bad flame against juicers...
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This topic is a big bad flame against juicers...
AAS CAN do bad things, people should know the facts. Prob is those who talk the most about them never used any... Many these young 1st timers are clueless.They have no idea about shutdown of Nat test and implications.
They think like take a tylenol for a headache, take a Di-loboll for some muscles... ;D ::) ???
It aint quite that simple....
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AAS CAN do bad things, people should know the facts. Prob is those who talk the most about them never used any... Many these young 1st timers are clueless.They have no idea about shutdown of Nat test and implications.
They think like take a tylenol for a headache, take a Di-loboll for some muscles... ;D ::) ???
It aint quite that simple....
Exactly, if you use them smart i can also improve your _normal_ life, not just the bodybuilding part.
Die-hard naturals have no idea what they are missing.
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The key is to educate yourself. Natty's want to flame juicers & juicers want to flame natty's. Who cares it's all about your personal choice. Do I use AAS's sometimes? Yes. Do I consider myself better then anyone else? No. It's my choice & really no one elses business.
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newbie... we will see how you feel in about 5 years after your growth slows down. a year? that is nothing son, nothing! mark my words if you are still lifting you will think about it. as a matter of fact, I bet you are thinking about it right now.
really man, the first 2 or 3 years you will grow easy, then you will hit platues, and it will take some time but you'll get over them. but when you hit one you cant break... i'm still growing so i'm not worrying to much or thinking about it much yet. but trust me you will think about it, and its just preferance really. some guys will hit there limit and be happy with it, and some will want to go farther. whats the point of calling them pussy's for going farther, when they can just as easily call you a pussy for stopping?
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Just do it natural.. build up the muscle, eat good, train hard.. dont need it. Some of these guys taking these steroids are nothing.. dont even look muscular or healthy. Ive seen many natural lifters dont even take supplements like protein powders and have bigger body then some of these guys taking the juice. Just eating real food and training. When you train natural you can look at yourself and know that you earned it through hard work. Dont need to waste hundreds of dollars.. spend the money on something else.
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Just do it natural.. build up the muscle, eat good, train hard.. dont need it. Some of these guys taking these steroids are nothing.. dont even look muscular or healthy. Ive seen many natural lifters dont even take supplements like protein powders and have bigger body then some of these guys taking the juice. Just eating real food and training. When you train natural you can look at yourself and know that you earned it through hard work. Dont need to waste hundreds of dollars.. spend the money on something else.
Not a bad idea at all.
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Just do it natural.. build up the muscle, eat good, train hard.. dont need it. Some of these guys taking these steroids are nothing.. dont even look muscular or healthy. Ive seen many natural lifters dont even take supplements like protein powders and have bigger body then some of these guys taking the juice. Just eating real food and training. When you train natural you can look at yourself and know that you earned it through hard work. Dont need to waste hundreds of dollars.. spend the money on something else.
Yeh juicers don't have to work hard ::)
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Yeh juicers don't have to work hard ::)
Hey, Ive trained natural for years, and Ive used steroids. I got to say, you will work much harder on steroid.
That's why we take them. Thats why they call them Peformance enhancing drugs...
Is it necessary to take them to build a decent look and strength? No.
Can they be harmfull? Yes.
Can you use them and not hurt yourself/ minimize bad effects? Yes.
Great that you want to train naturaly, but I got no issue with someone who wants to see some better results after years of hard natural training, But I dont think anyone should use the stuff before they have trained that way for at least a couple years. Actualy a lot longer IMO.
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Me neither, it's just the misconceptions that are annoying. After all we are all bodybuilders.
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Yeh juicers don't have to work hard ::)
Need to go back and read my post over. I did not say people who take juice dont work hard.. I said some natural bodybuilders are bigger than ones who take juice.
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I have respect for anyone who trains seriously.. wether they take steroids or not. I just dont like it when someone sees a guy who is big or has taken steroids and thinks that its all steroids. Just take it and then you look like that. It doesn't work that way. You have to train hard if your using or natural..doesn't matter. I hope bodybuilding grows larger and more people realize what it takes to get there.
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I have respect for anyone who trains seriously.. wether they take steroids or not. I just dont like it when someone sees a guy who is big or has taken steroids and thinks that its all steroids. Just take it and then you look like that. It doesn't work that way. You have to train hard if your using or natural..doesn't matter. I hope bodybuilding grows larger and more people realize what it takes to get there.
Brilliant! You could open the back door to the Pharmacy and it wouldnt matter all that much to a lot of guys.
IT WOULDNT MATTER AT ALL W/ OUT CONSISTENT WORKOUTS AND EATING.
There's a lot of big dudes that can bulk naturaly. Many Big Guys that dont even lift iron... Ripping it up is where the AAS REALLY shine. It saves that muscle on low carb diet and cardio.
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I have respect for anyone who trains seriously.. wether they take steroids or not. I just dont like it when someone sees a guy who is big or has taken steroids and thinks that its all steroids. Just take it and then you look like that. It doesn't work that way. You have to train hard if your using or natural..doesn't matter. I hope bodybuilding grows larger and more people realize what it takes to get there.
Excellent post.
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Just do it natural.. build up the muscle, eat good, train hard.. dont need it. Some of these guys taking these steroids are nothing.. dont even look muscular or healthy. Ive seen many natural lifters dont even take supplements like protein powders and have bigger body then some of these guys taking the juice. Just eating real food and training. When you train natural you can look at yourself and know that you earned it through hard work. Dont need to waste hundreds of dollars.. spend the money on something else.
actually steroids are often cheaper than running a natural surplus of supps.
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actually steroids are often cheaper than running a natural surplus of supps.
Much cheaper, esp out of the USA. 2 tabs of Dbol sells for less than the cost of a Pepsi right off the counter of most Thai Gyms. ;)
Also, steroids are safer and less harsh than many OTC legal "Supplements". Just because its legal, dont mean it cant be harmfull.....
JacK Daniels and Tylenol are legal. Have a bottle of each and compare THAT to eating a whole bottle of Dbol.
That is - if your still alive after the Whiskey & Tylenol.
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Me neither, it's just the misconceptions that are annoying. After all we are all bodybuilders.
I think this is an important point.
Bodybuilding is such a misunderstood sport.
I have been on some BBing forums where there are never-ending debate threads on 'Is bodybuilding a sport' for goodness sake!
The only thing that I have noticed is that the performance enhancing drugs have more of a tendency to DAMAGE the reputation of the sport.
As soon as you say 'bodybuilding' or 'bodybuilder' the social schema/stereotype for this is
1. Steroids
2. Women who look like men
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I think this is an important point.
Bodybuilding is such a misunderstood sport.
I have been on some BBing forums where there are never-ending debate threads on 'Is bodybuilding a sport' for goodness sake!
The only thing that I have noticed is that the performance enhancing drugs have more of a tendency to DAMAGE the reputation of the sport.
As soon as you say 'bodybuilding' or 'bodybuilder' the social schema/stereotype for this is
1. Steroids
2. Women who look like men
x
x
x
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Yes, but it's pretty stupid for us to deny it. These days even any little old Blue hair lady knows about steroids in sports. BBers are the Offical whipping boy, Finger pointing target because appearance is the end goal in itself.
Im sure If we had a behind the scenes look at many other sports (Cycling in particular) the stuff BBers do would seem conservative.
I think that the public is getting more aware of that.
Female BBers in top Contest condition have a hard time gaining popular support even if they are natural.
The appearance just runs against what the public is conditioned to consider as a female ideal.
Tough crap! They are not doing it for the benifit of being sex objects to the majority of men.
Its about getting as close to becoming a walking Human Anatomy chart as possible.
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Need to go back and read my post over. I did not say people who take juice dont work hard.. I said some natural bodybuilders are bigger than ones who take juice.
Yes that's sad. Take a look at goodbum/bguns/adonis.