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Title: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 15, 2007, 02:04:32 PM
with me on our walks. Like one of those little Louisville sluggers.  For people and unleashed dogs. 

 Had all 4 out for a walk and a rottie comes tearing over and launches himself into my big 3.  He aimed for Addie and kind of bounced off her (she really is a brick shithouse!) and then my 3 got on him but no bloodshed, just a tussle really, and then he ran back for the house.  It seemed like it was longer than it actually was because I was wondering how I was going to get in the middle of 4 dogs, but I had already formed that thought when I saw him coming. And I also managed to plant myself to  get my dogs under control for when he hit us.  All in all my dogs were really good considering what happened.

  When the lady came out of her house to get him I told her "to get her fucking dog".   ::)    Ok, I was not happy, like could be expected.   She didn't even apologize or ask if mine were ok or me for that matter.   >:(  No marks on mine, no clue if he got any.  Surprisingly mine were not really fazed by it much, I even got them all into a sit while I untangled Tad (good thing he has a halter collar or he could end up getting hung in tussle like that) and we were back on our way. 

  I know it was an accident, I didn't even see him, he could of bolted out of their door when he saw us, but it does tick me off that she didn't even inquire if everyone was ok and apologize.    >:(

   It incidents like that that make me wonder if I should walk all 4 together or if it would be safer to split them up?  On one hand it could be a bigger tussle with all of them together, on the other hand dogs have come towards them before but then have turned around when faced with all 3 big ones, so is it actually safer with the 3 big dogs together?   :-\

  That's why the bat, I could bonk the dog on the head and use it as a bite stick if I had to.  Believe me, I would be pulling them apart if I had too.  Mace or pepper spray (both which I think are illegal here) would spray my dogs too and me and while I might have been able to blast the rottie in the face before he got to my dogs, I really don't want to go around spraying that if I really didn't have to.  While feeling a bit bad, I would of felt justified today though. 


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Al-Gebra on July 15, 2007, 02:06:28 PM


dogs are more used to "tussling" than human beings . . . that's why it didn't faze them, but left you w thoughts of louisville sluggers.


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Al-Gebra on July 15, 2007, 02:11:48 PM
that said, there is no easy solution.

bat - you're going to look like a crazy woman.

mini-taser - your dogs will tear into a dog lying prone. and you could zap one of your own accidentally.

bear spray - going to get on your own dogs.


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 15, 2007, 02:13:33 PM

dogs are more used to "tussling" than human beings . . . that's why it didn't faze them, but left you w thoughts of louisville sluggers.

True, and that thought did cross my mind afterwards, but their could come an instance where it wouldn't " go as smoothly" as it did.   One of mine could of given him a good snap and he could of decided he wasn't taking that and it could of been a big brawl or he could of latched on to Addie.  My big dogs weigh close to 400pounds combined, then add in the other dog's weight, and I have to break it up.  Not something I really want to do.  We're not talking that I could get punched or something, so I would rather bonk than have to stick my hands in there and get bit in the face too.


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 15, 2007, 02:17:24 PM
that said, there is no easy solution.

bat - you're going to look like a crazy woman.

mini-taser - your dogs will tear into a dog lying prone.

bear spray - going to get on your own dogs.

 I wouldn't be walking around waving it in the air.   ;D   But if that had turned into a fight I could of bonked him on the head or side or whatever. If it came down to it and mine were then turning on the other dog, a whack might get them to let the other dog go too.     

  My dogs didn't tear into him, he jumped on Addie who was in the middle, then when he fell off her my 3 rushed him but they weren't snarling they kind of just jumped up on him.    My 3 aren't other dog aggressive, they sometimes would like to go check out another dog, but not to attack it.   I have no clue if another dog rushing us is dog aggressive though. 


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Al-Gebra on July 15, 2007, 02:19:48 PM

if you successfully tazed a dog attacking one of yours . . . seeing it stunned and helpless might provoke an instinctive attack from one of yours. 

even using a bat's going to be difficult and not worth the effort (bats were meant for swinging).

what you want is a mini cattle prod. I'm sure they're out there.


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 15, 2007, 02:24:33 PM
if you successfully tazed a dog attacking one of yours . . . seeing it stunned and helpless might provoke an instinctive attack from one of yours. 

even using a bat's going to be difficult and not worth the effort (bats were meant for swinging).

what you want is a mini cattle prod. I'm sure they're out there.



  There are a few people that would say me having a cattle prod, would NOT be a good idea.   ;D

 And I never mentioned a tazer, I don't know if they are legal either. 

  I guess I should just be prepared to jump in then. :-\  Odds are it will never be necessary, and if I had that little bat today I might of bonked that woman for not apologizing.     ;D


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: knny187 on July 15, 2007, 03:13:44 PM

dogs are more used to "tussling" than human beings . . . that's why it didn't faze them, but left you w thoughts of louisville sluggers.

I would agree with this

Just curious....was the Rottie growling, snapping, & ears rolled back like an attack?

Being that we have a Rottie & have been around a lot of Rotties (breeders & etc) they do like to rough house & play hard.  Probably more than I have seen in most breeds.

Another thing you could try (depending on the situation)...Is if you see a dog approaching & if you have time to control your dogs....get in front of them with one of those air horns & point it right at the on coming dog. 

It may spook your dogs...but they won't be getting nearly half the blast an on coming dog will get & most likely..will turn around.  The noise may also get the attention of the owner of the dog as well.


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: chaos on July 15, 2007, 03:49:15 PM
just go with 4, a single dog is less likely to attack a "pack"


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 15, 2007, 04:41:24 PM
I would agree with this

Just curious....was the Rottie growling, snapping, & ears rolled back like an attack?

Being that we have a Rottie & have been around a lot of Rotties (breeders & etc) they do like to rough house & play hard.  Probably more than I have seen in most breeds.

Another thing you could try (depending on the situation)...Is if you see a dog approaching & if you have time to control your dogs....get in front of them with one of those air horns & point it right at the on coming dog. 

It may spook your dogs...but they won't be getting nearly half the blast an on coming dog will get & most likely..will turn around.  The noise may also get the attention of the owner of the dog as well.

 He had his mouth open, ears back and LAUNCHED himself on top of Addie.  He was running full blast at us. I heard him coming before I saw him.  He came across the street at us.   He didn't come up sniffing, and dogs usually don't go charging strange dogs and jump on them like that to say hello.    His goal appeared to be to take Addie down but that obviously didn't work.   ::)   If he just wanted to say hello he better learn some doggie manners quick because the next dog he does that too might not be so tolerant of that.  That is NOT accepted behavior by other dogs.   I wonder why he went for Addie who was in the middle? Emmett was on the left, Briona on the right, he jumped right in the middle.   Addie and Briona love kicking each other's butts which is probably why they weren't really impressed by him. 

  The horn is a good idea, never thought of that. It definitely would get everyone's attention. 

  That woman still owes me an apology.    >:(


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 15, 2007, 04:47:54 PM
  I think I figured it out, they were in the rottie's territory in their 'colors', red for me of course.   8)  8)


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: chaos on July 15, 2007, 05:48:10 PM
she does owe you an apology, and maybe a backrub  8)


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Butterbean on July 15, 2007, 06:18:22 PM
Bri-O-na FLAVE


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Euro-monster on July 16, 2007, 04:13:38 AM
I think a airhorn isn't a bad idea actually...the reaction of the dog could go both ways though..
Maybe the sound of the horn makes him even more agressive?....bottom line is you don't know how the attacking dog is going to react.

If is was me i would plit the 4 up and go for seperate walks.
This time the outcome was ok but what if the next time your dogs deside it's not ok for another dog to attack them in that way? Are you capable of pulling 3 Great danes off of another dog when they go crazy? It could get very ugly!


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 16, 2007, 04:49:53 AM
Bri-O-na FLAVE

      ;D


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 16, 2007, 04:58:30 AM
I think a airhorn isn't a bad idea actually...the reaction of the dog could go both ways though..
Maybe the sound of the horn makes him even more agressive?....bottom line is you don't know how the attacking dog is going to react.

If is was me i would plit the 4 up and go for separate walks.
This time the outcome was ok but what if the next time your dogs deside it's not ok for another dog to attack them in that way? Are you capable of pulling 3 Great danes off of another dog when they go crazy? It could get very ugly!

  I'm gonna live dangerously!! I was capable of holding my 3 from running after the rottie, so I guess I can hold my own.  We enjoy our walks, why should we have to give that up?  My dogs are not dog aggressive which is why they didn't bite that rottie despite his rudeness.   I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that his intentions were not to get into a fight, but his manners suck as far as meeting new dogs.  It's one thing to come up to a new dog, it's entirely different to pile drive them!

 I am going to see if "dog repellent" is legal here.

   http://www.tbotech.com/dogrepellent.htm (http://www.tbotech.com/dogrepellent.htm)

  We will continue to go down that street too, but if he comes at us again I will be in front of my dogs and he will be getting a kick if he doesn't back off.  


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 16, 2007, 05:03:56 AM
NOTE: We can not ship repellents internationally or to the state of New York.

         >:(


  The highest crime state and we are supposed to be defenseless.   >:(


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 16, 2007, 05:11:41 AM
Hmm, maybe they are legal but the State of NY can play with the interpretation of the law?


http://www.safetytechnology.com/blog/?p=10 (http://www.safetytechnology.com/blog/?p=10)

Animal Repellers to NY

Iíve created a lot of confusion with my previous email about animal repellers.

Based on the advice from Mace, I previously decided not to drop ship animal repellers (dog repellent and bear repellent sprays) to New York. They said there was no law against it except for the interpretation New York would probably give it. Mace did not feel like getting into it with New York.

New York is the bastian of government control over the lives of its citizens. Pepper spray is not illegal in New York, but they want to control who sells it.

Iím going to change my stance on this and will probably reap the wrath of the state of New York eventually. The animal repellers are FDA approved by the Federal Government. Citizens have the right to own them. So, we will drop ship animal repellers to New York until Iím forced to stop.

To repeat, we WILL drop ship animal repellers to New York.


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Lord Humungous on July 16, 2007, 05:11:48 AM
Here is a quick story for ya red,

My training partner, has a Chow/ Germ-Shep mix that looks like a red Shepard and a pure bred Am/Staff Terrier. Since he works a lot his dad stops by to walk the dogs every afternoon. On their daily walks, a big mix breed that looks like a brindle American BD would throw himself at the front window that only had screens in it. My buddy's dad grabbed a slag hammer out of the garage the next week when he walked the dogs past the house. Naturally  this was the time the dog broke through the screen and charged them. So dad threw the hammer at the dog and missed so he just dropped the leash and got out of the way. Needless to day it was a real bad day for the bully mix. My buddy's Am/staff chewed up the dog really bad as the dog was trying to get back in the house she was still laying into him and took off an ear before dad could grab the leash again. When my buddy got home  he had to take his Staffy to the vet for some cuts on her nose and face. The next week when he was walking the dog again past that house the bully mix was gone and has never been back.  Now he carries a cell phone and a can of mace with him. Its sad to think this all could have been prevented.

I had a similar incident happen to me when O dog was a pup and I was walking him down the dead end to the woods. Some jerkass neighbor doenst keep his black germ Shep on a leash in the dead end.  When I was walking past the house on a snowy day it came rippin up the driveway growling at us. So I scooped little O up and turned my body a little. The dog just danced around us a little barking and snapping. The owner came to the front door and called the dog back in the house with out saying a word. So I walked over and knocked on the door and asked the guy if he knew their was a leash law in our boro. He said ya ha did but his dog is basically friendly except to other dogs. I kindly told him the next time it happend I would mace his dog and call the police. Needless to say his not very nice to us anymore  ???


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 16, 2007, 05:16:38 AM
NEW YORK - New York residents may only purchase defense sprays from licensed Firearms Dealers or licensed Pharmacists in that state.


  I'm getting me some pepper spray!!!          ;D


  Could be useful against people on our walks too, have have a few situations that I was feeling a bit nervous in.
 
   


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 16, 2007, 05:38:40 AM
Lord Fatty, that first one was especially scary!!!     :o   I don't want my dogs, me, or any other dog to get hurt.

  I think yesterday the dog got out of the house somehow.  But we have been walking around and dogs are out of leash with people.  Most if they are on the other side of the street don't really pay much attention to us, but one that I didn't even see came running around the side of a house from behind us, my dogs all turned around and he hightailed it back to his owner with his tail between his legs. That was kind of funny!  He looked like he was coming to check us out, not attack, but then thought maybe he would pass. 

  Most people will get a hold of their dogs or bring them inside when they see us coming.  Aren't they worried they will run into traffic if they don't see a dog coming though?  Or their dog might be friendly but not every other dog is. 

  Addie knows where all the dogs are on our walks and when we get close to the house she is looking and speeds up to get by the house.  She doesn't like dogs jumping at fences at us (cept for little dogs, then she likes to run the fence with them  ::) )



Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 16, 2007, 05:45:57 AM
Does O'dogg wanna join the Homie Dawg gang?

   (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159233.0;attach=181450;image)


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Butterbean on July 16, 2007, 06:30:43 AM
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Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Vet on July 16, 2007, 06:48:59 AM
I wouldnt use a bat or something like that.  Beating a dog in the middle of a fight can actually make the fight worse depending on the dog.  Basically I see it as if the dog doesn't know what is hitting them, they just know something is and as a result they are going to fight all the harder to try to get it off them--or worse you can turn a dog attack away from your dog to you. 

Air horns are a great alternative.  Stick it up by the fighting dogs heads---yes I know its going to be hard on their ears, but it will almost always distract them and with any luck it will get the dogs owners attention. 

Pepper spray (Bear spray) is a better alternative than mace if you ask me, primarily becuase you can flush your pets eyes directly and give them some treatment if there is an accidental exposure.  Also, there is less risk of allergic reaction with pepperspray than with mace.  If you live in a place like NY, a "DIY" alternative is a ziplock baggie full of red/cheyenne pepper.  Poor ti over the dogs face if it grabs one of yours.  Just beware, pepper is going everywhere.  Vinager also works, but is bulkier. 

Just be aware of using mace/pepper spray you may expose yourself.  Bear spray is not fun stuff.   


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 16, 2007, 06:57:33 AM
You think an air horn will also work on drunk guys?   ::)

 I would prefer not to use anything, but I would rather be prepared.

  I should be able to find an air gun easier than getting mace or pepper spray here in NY.   

  Thanks for the tips, I think the cayenne pepper in a bag is a good one. 


 The horn, and if that doesn't prevent or stop an altercation, they get the pepper. 

 The when the owner comes over and a) doesn't apologize, and or b) says how nice their dog is so they leave it off leash  I will blast THEM with the air horn.

          ;D


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 16, 2007, 06:58:33 AM
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159233.0;attach=181515;image)


  O'dogg chillin in his crib   8)


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Euro-monster on July 16, 2007, 07:01:11 AM
Those suggestions are great in theory but when dogs get into a reall fight it's almost impossible to mase or pepper spray the attacking dog without hurting one of your own dogs aswell!
I've seen allot of dog fights myself where dog owners just stare at the fighting dogs instead of acting swift in getting those dogs apart.... :-\
They just freez up or something... ::)



Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Hedgehog on July 16, 2007, 07:08:56 AM
with me on our walks. Like one of those little Louisville sluggers.  For people and unleashed dogs. 

 Had all 4 out for a walk and a rottie comes tearing over and launches himself into my big 3.  He aimed for Addie and kind of bounced off her (she really is a brick shithouse!) and then my 3 got on him but no bloodshed, just a tussle really, and then he ran back for the house.  It seemed like it was longer than it actually was because I was wondering how I was going to get in the middle of 4 dogs, but I had already formed that thought when I saw him coming. And I also managed to plant myself to  get my dogs under control for when he hit us.  All in all my dogs were really good considering what happened.

  When the lady came out of her house to get him I told her "to get her fucking dog".   ::)    Ok, I was not happy, like could be expected.   She didn't even apologize or ask if mine were ok or me for that matter.   >:(  No marks on mine, no clue if he got any.  Surprisingly mine were not really fazed by it much, I even got them all into a sit while I untangled Tad (good thing he has a halter collar or he could end up getting hung in tussle like that) and we were back on our way. 

  I know it was an accident, I didn't even see him, he could of bolted out of their door when he saw us, but it does tick me off that she didn't even inquire if everyone was ok and apologize.    >:(

   It incidents like that that make me wonder if I should walk all 4 together or if it would be safer to split them up?  On one hand it could be a bigger tussle with all of them together, on the other hand dogs have come towards them before but then have turned around when faced with all 3 big ones, so is it actually safer with the 3 big dogs together?   :-\

  That's why the bat, I could bonk the dog on the head and use it as a bite stick if I had to.  Believe me, I would be pulling them apart if I had too.  Mace or pepper spray (both which I think are illegal here) would spray my dogs too and me and while I might have been able to blast the rottie in the face before he got to my dogs, I really don't want to go around spraying that if I really didn't have to.  While feeling a bit bad, I would of felt justified today though. 

Why a bat, or anykind of assault weapon?

Why not have better regulation, keeping these careless dog owners to a minimum?

Mandatory neutering (the optimal age would have to be set by qualified scientists), health insurances, et al.

BTW, trab is on timeout, so his point of view on this matter can't be heard. :-\

-Hedge


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 16, 2007, 07:14:30 AM
Why a bat, or anykind of assault weapon?

Why not have better regulation, keeping these careless dog owners to a minimum?

Mandatory neutering (the optimal age would have to be set by qualified scientists), health insurances, et al.

BTW, trab is on timeout, so his point of view on this matter can't be heard. :-\

-Hedge

  Accidents do happen, dogs do get out.  Let's not take this to the extreme. I may never have another incident like that again.  I would just like to feel a bit safer.  And I have not liked some of the people we come across on our walks so I would feel safer in general.

  I don't recall asking trab. 


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 16, 2007, 07:20:35 AM
Those suggestions are great in theory but when dogs get into a reall fight it's almost impossible to mase or pepper spray the attacking dog without hurting one of your own dogs aswell!
I've seen allot of dog fights myself where dog owners just stare at the fighting dogs instead of acting swift in getting those dogs apart.... :-\
They just freez up or something... ::)




   As soon as I heard and saw him coming I shortened up my leashes and got into a stance where I had leverage to control my dogs, my dogs because I was ready were not able to get to the dog, but he got to us and jumped in the middle.  I was pulling my dogs back too, but no one was pulling him (or her) back so it was kind of pointless accept for just trying to keep my dogs under control as best I could.

 If their was an all out blood brawl going on, I wouldn't care if my dogs got peppered spray if it would end it. 

   This guy was sitting on his steps at the house next door watching all this.  He didn't say a word.  I think he was surprised I kept it in control as best as I did.  He knew I was pissed though.   >:(


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Euro-monster on July 16, 2007, 07:33:45 AM
So he was one of those "my dog will win the fight so i don't have to stand up " guys huh?  The situation you discribed happened to me a couple of times too.
When i was walking Dragan a jack russel came out of nowhere and bit him in the nose. :-\
The owner came running and said " did you see that? He dared to bite such a big dog!" I was looking at Dragan and saw his nose bleeding from two deep holes and i swear i bitchslapped the owner of the Jack Russel!

Moral of the story is: People need to know how to socialize a dog peroid!


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Butterbean on July 16, 2007, 07:51:38 AM


You think an air horn will also work on drunk guys?   ::)
 

 The when the owner comes over and a) doesn't apologize, and or b) says how nice their dog is so they leave it off leash  I will blast THEM with the air horn.

          ;D

Video!!  Video it!!


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 16, 2007, 08:01:17 AM
So he was one of those "my dog will win the fight so i don't have to stand up " guys huh?  The situation you discribed happened to me a couple of times too.
When i was walking Dragan a jack russel came out of nowhere and bit him in the nose. :-\
The owner came running and said " did you see that? He dared to bite such a big dog!" I was looking at Dragan and saw his nose bleeding from two deep holes and i swear i bitchslapped the owner of the Jack Russel!

Moral of the story is: People need to know how to socialize a dog peroid!

  No, it wasn't his dog, that guy was the neighbor to the dog.  He was watching the whole thing. 


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: knny187 on July 16, 2007, 08:10:57 AM
Try the air horn.

I don't think they cost much...but if you ever had one by your head or pointed at you....you know what it does to you.  Imagine that happening to a dog.  Their hearing is much more sensitive.  I think if he was running towards you that blast may make him stop or run in a different direction.  I think the most important thing is to persuade the dog it's a bad idea coming in your direction & he's not welcome.  He may just have time to assess that there's 3 big dogs, a human with a very load noise, & a little scrapper to bite his ankles.

It may just give him enough time to realize this may not be a fight or situation he wants to encounter.

Plus...it may get the owners attention (which is real important) to call back their animal if he decides to make a second run.

Oh...when you use it....don't use it like a soccer fan or referee with one small 'toot'.  Blast that sucker for a good 4 seconds.


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: SS on July 16, 2007, 08:29:32 AM
 ;D

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Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 16, 2007, 08:32:45 AM
;D

(http://www.selfdefenseproducts.com/police/batons/images/tt1.jpg)


 yes!!!  I need a thumper!!    ;D


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Vet on July 16, 2007, 08:46:52 AM
Those suggestions are great in theory but when dogs get into a reall fight it's almost impossible to mase or pepper spray the attacking dog without hurting one of your own dogs aswell!
I've seen allot of dog fights myself where dog owners just stare at the fighting dogs instead of acting swift in getting those dogs apart.... :-\
They just freez up or something... ::)



This is true.  Each individual situation is different, so it becomes an owners judgement call.  And you are right, people do tend to freeze.  

I used to walk all of my dogs at once (5 large breeds at the time).  I quit and switched to no more than 2 at a time after a dog attack occured.   You have to be able to control your own dogs---and 5 leashes with 400 lbs of dog attached can be just too much to control without getting a tangled mess depending on the situation.  


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Al-Gebra on July 16, 2007, 09:08:14 AM


I just let my six ovcharkas take themselves for walks.  they're very independent-minded as it is, so I feel like I'd just be getting in their way if I was there.  So far, no complaints from the neighbors . . . although I seem to have fewer neighbors these days. ???


Flower, here's something you can add to your dog-walking arsenal: bat, tazer, air-horn, bear spray and this

http://www.amazon.com/Dog-Dazer-II-repeller-training/dp/B000BIZW7W/ref=pd_sbs_sg_2/104-3730618-6390337


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 16, 2007, 09:12:17 AM
LOL @ Al!   


   My dogs would hear that sound too though.  I came across that in my search. 
That'd be good for joggers and bike riders though.



Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Hedgehog on July 16, 2007, 10:46:47 AM
flower, why don't you just walk a few of your dogs at a time?

-Hedge


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Vet on July 16, 2007, 10:55:57 AM
flower, why don't you just walk a few of your dogs at a time?

-Hedge

That or train them to walk on a treadmill.   ;)


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Max_Rep on July 16, 2007, 11:05:42 AM
FlowerÖ learn to do a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu style rear choke. Iím serious about this. I know a Pit owner who had to do this on his own dog when he attacked someone elseís dog. It works, itís pretty easy to do (especially for someone in shape like yourself), there is no permanent damage and you and your dogs will be safe.

I know what you mean about owners who let their dogs bully someone elseís pet without regard for the other persons pet. These people are no different than abusers and should have to answer to the legal system.   


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 16, 2007, 11:21:18 AM
flower, why don't you just walk a few of your dogs at a time?

-Hedge

 I used to do that Hedgie, first I was doing 1, 1 and 1, and 1, then I did 1, 1 and 2, then I was doing 2 and 2, and then I did 3 and 1 (Tad), and then we all went! 

It is especially exhausting for me on hot days and I felt the dogs were getting shortchanged on their walks when split up.    I was doing the 2 girls and then the 2 boys, but I felt Emmett really didn't like walking with just Tad the squirt.   ::)  He has more fun with the girls.  Taking the 3 big dogs and then Tad by himself would negate the point, and plus he got really upset the last time he was left behind and got an upset tummy.  Addie likes to go with Briona better than with just Emmett, and Briona definitely would not want to go with just Tad.   

  It's kind of the doggie dynamics that we have working when we all go together.     

  Now you can tell me they don't get jealous or have "feelings" or whatever, but I know the different attitudes they showed depending on who they were walking with.  Of course they all are perfectly happy to be walked separately but that is just too much walk for me.   :P


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Vet on July 16, 2007, 11:24:28 AM

 I used to do that Hedgie, first I was doing 1, 1 and 1, and 1, then I did 1, 1 and 2, then I was doing 2 and 2, and then I did 3 and 1 (Tad), and then we all went! 

It is especially exhausting for me on hot days and I felt the dogs were getting shortchanged on their walks when split up.    I was doing the 2 girls and then the 2 boys, but I felt Emmett really didn't like walking with just Tad the squirt.   ::)  He has more fun with the girls.  Taking the 3 big dogs and then Tad by himself would negate the point, and plus he got really upset the last time he was left behind and got an upset tummy.  Addie likes to go with Briona better than with just Emmett, and Briona definitely would not want to go with just Tad.   

  It's kind of the doggie dynamics that we have working when we all go together.     

  Now you can tell me they don't get jealous or have "feelings" or whatever, but I know the different attitudes they showed depending on who they were walking with.  Of course they all are perfectly happy to be walked separately but that is just too much walk for me.   :P


5 treadmills, lined up.   ;)  :D


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 16, 2007, 11:24:47 AM
That or train them to walk on a treadmill.   ;)

 I tried that in the winter because none of them like the cold, but I couldn't get any to get ON the treadmill let alone walk on it.
 
  Do you have one of the special ones made for dogs?

  My dogs prefer to lay on the couch or to be out on an excursion.  I'm lucky I can get one to go outside long enough to pee!!  She wants back in the house as soon as she is done!!

   I have been making it a point to take them on a few walks when it has been raining out (not lightning or a big down pour) just to prove to her that she won't melt in the rain!   ;D   If I am out there getting wet, they can get wet too!

 


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Vet on July 16, 2007, 12:21:31 PM
I tried that in the winter because none of them like the cold, but I couldn't get any to get ON the treadmill let alone walk on it.
 
  Do you have one of the special ones made for dogs?

  My dogs prefer to lay on the couch or to be out on an excursion.  I'm lucky I can get one to go outside long enough to pee!!  She wants back in the house as soon as she is done!!

   I have been making it a point to take them on a few walks when it has been raining out (not lightning or a big down pour) just to prove to her that she won't melt in the rain!   ;D   If I am out there getting wet, they can get wet too!

 

I have built two of them for my dogs.  I started with them when I was in veterinary school because I didn't have the time or energy to take my dogs out and they needed exercise.  My staffie tore the first one to pieces.  The second one was modified and a bit stronger.  Now I'm looking for one I can use that is flat---the ones I built were inclined at about 25 degrees, so the dogs were actually climbing uphill.  With two of my dogs having blown out knees, I need to get a motorized one that is on a flat surface (and I can work up to a slight incline) so they don't overstress their knees. 

The first step is to work on just getting the dog to step on the tread.  Then get them to sit next to it with the motor running, then work on putting them on one with the motor on very slow.   if you just put the dog on the tread nad turn it on, most will freak out. 


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: knny187 on July 16, 2007, 12:25:10 PM
I put our Rottie on the tread & he was trying to run & attack the surface at the same time - lol

I've put many dogs on a treadmill & for the most part...most do very well for the first time.  I do know one person that had to put up a "blind" or sheet through the uprights of the console because their dog was more interested in running real fast & jumping through it.


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Al-Gebra on July 16, 2007, 12:36:18 PM
  I do know one person that had to put up a "blind" or sheet through the uprights of the console because their dog was more interested in running real fast & jumping through it.

hahaha . . . hopefully they took a video and sent it to one of those tv shows that give you money for funny crap.


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Hedgehog on July 16, 2007, 02:49:05 PM

 I used to do that Hedgie, first I was doing 1, 1 and 1, and 1, then I did 1, 1 and 2, then I was doing 2 and 2, and then I did 3 and 1 (Tad), and then we all went! 

It is especially exhausting for me on hot days and I felt the dogs were getting shortchanged on their walks when split up.    I was doing the 2 girls and then the 2 boys, but I felt Emmett really didn't like walking with just Tad the squirt.   ::)  He has more fun with the girls.  Taking the 3 big dogs and then Tad by himself would negate the point, and plus he got really upset the last time he was left behind and got an upset tummy.  Addie likes to go with Briona better than with just Emmett, and Briona definitely would not want to go with just Tad.   

  It's kind of the doggie dynamics that we have working when we all go together.     

  Now you can tell me they don't get jealous or have "feelings" or whatever, but I know the different attitudes they showed depending on who they were walking with.  Of course they all are perfectly happy to be walked separately but that is just too much walk for me.   :P

I am not gonna tell you anything about their feelings.

Rather, I kinda wonder who's the boss around your house? ;)

Don't let them dogs dictate who's going with whom, flowey.

-Hedge


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 17, 2007, 04:33:10 AM
  I am the boss, I'm just a very loose boss.   8)


   Separating the walks doesn't work for ME that great.  Twice as long for me and the dogs walks end up being shorter for them.  With all 4 together we can go longer and they can get walked twice a day some days too.  If I have to I carry Tad part of the way if he starts lagging, but he usually doesn't.

  I was walking Tad and Emmett together before also because of Emmett's knee, I didn't want him going for as long of walks so I walked him with Tad for shorter walks.  I have had him on a new joint sup which seems to be doing great and he can go for the longer walks now.  If that becomes an issue again in the future I will walk him separately so the others can go longer.   


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Hedgehog on July 17, 2007, 11:49:53 AM
  I am the boss, I'm just a very loose boss.   8)


   Separating the walks doesn't work for ME that great.  Twice as long for me and the dogs walks end up being shorter for them.  With all 4 together we can go longer and they can get walked twice a day some days too.  If I have to I carry Tad part of the way if he starts lagging, but he usually doesn't.

  I was walking Tad and Emmett together before also because of Emmett's knee, I didn't want him going for as long of walks so I walked him with Tad for shorter walks.  I have had him on a new joint sup which seems to be doing great and he can go for the longer walks now.  If that becomes an issue again in the future I will walk him separately so the others can go longer.   


...why do you have so many dogs, then?

Why isn't one or two enough?


Sorry if this seems like bit of an uneducated question, but I am kind of curious.

-Hedge


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 17, 2007, 12:05:43 PM
...why do you have so many dogs, then?

Why isn't one or two enough?


Sorry if this seems like bit of an uneducated question, but I am kind of curious.

-Hedge

  I think a person's reasons are individual weather they have 0, 1 or 10 dogs.

  This is how it happened that I have 4 though:

  Briona my first was sold to me as a full Great Dane.  Turns out she wasn't. I loved her from the second I decided to take her so she wasn't going anywhere even though she wasn't a Great Dane. I still wanted a full Great Dane and own my own house where no one could tell me I couldn't have another dog so I got Emmett.  Addie I rescued from another state (Ohio) where she had been in a kill shelter and would probably have been put down.  My plan was to get her back to health and find a home for her.  That was 3 years ago.   ::)   Seems I don't make a very good foster person.   Tad I wanted a dog I could pick up and he really doesn't add to the general household bills so I decided to get a toy breed and that is all for now.   Tad kind of satisfies that "puppies are so cute" bug too. 

  4 is my limit. For them and for my sake.   The "pack" dynamics are good. For that I have been lucky.  Sometimes you add a member and they don't get along with all or one of the other dogs.  Another reason I didn't get another Great Dane or large dog.  Hierarchy is already established (Briona is top dog) and I knew she would probably tolerate a smaller dog better than having to "teach" a larger dog the rules.   Addie tested Briona after she had been here awhile and got put into her place with a few teeth notches on her and it was worked out.   

  When I went and looked at Tad there was his sister too who was more outgoing.  I did want a boy, but if I had wanted a girl I might not have taken her because I think she might have challenged Briona and I did not want a problem in the household or a dog to get hurt in a fight.  Tad will jump on and be a pain with the other dogs but will be submissive and know his "place" when he should.  I was afraid of a little dog being taught the rules by Briona like Addie was but not faring so well.



Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Al-Gebra on July 17, 2007, 12:07:55 PM


Briona sounds like a meanie.


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 17, 2007, 12:14:07 PM

Briona sounds like a meanie.

  She's not!  lol   But she IS the top dog and despite Addie having about 50pounds or so on her she will kick her butt.    Addie loves to spar with Briona but is a pretty easy going dog and doesn't challenge her for that spot.   Briona is spayed, where Addie is still intact but even that has not affected the roles in the house. 

 Addie did growl at Briona once after Tad was settled in (Addie and Tad are best buddies) and Briona still wasn't 100% thrilled with Tad. Tad got to close to her liking once and Bri growled at him and Addie stepped in and growled at Briona in case she was thinking of snapping at him.    ;D

 I think Briona was upset at the attention Addie was giving to Tad because Addie and Briona were always sparring.

   


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Butterbean on July 17, 2007, 12:41:33 PM

Addie and Briona were always sparring.

   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgSOIAdRgVQ


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Lord Humungous on July 17, 2007, 01:01:28 PM
Whos the lush running the camera? :D


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 17, 2007, 02:41:30 PM
Whos the lush running the camera? :D

   ::)


 I should of had the camera today.    The remaining beagle bastard was out today (the beagle bastards were 2 beagles that Addie loves to run the fence line with when they are out.  Sadly one of the bb's died earlier this year  :( ).  We haven't seen him out in awhile.  Today he was and Addie went nutso.  I saw him before she did and considered crossing the street but they have been doing so well on our walks I thought "let's put it to the test".  Bad Idea.  My second mistake was allowing them a bit more lead than I should of so when Addie put her weight into it, well, let's just say my planted stance did not hold too well.  It had to be funny as hell though!   ;D  I actually was laughing as I got up from the ground.   ;D  After Addie got done running the fence with him and me going along for the ride she didn't really care and was calm.   Some woman stopped her car and I told her it was par for the course and you never know if they have learned until you put them to the test.  We failed today.    She has always been fixated on the beagle bastards and looks for them when we get to that house. She knows where all the dogs are on our route. 

   I think on the days we go twice like on the weekends, Addie will go once by herself and get a few one on one refresher courses.    :P

   Damn I wish that had been videotaped!! I bet it could win the 10grand on America's Funniest Home Videos.     ;D ;D


  *no offense meant to beagles, we have nicknames for all the "regular" dogs we see.   :D


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Butterbean on July 17, 2007, 02:46:10 PM


 I actually was laughing as I got up from the ground.   


http://youtube.com/watch?v=uhh5JIn1G3A


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 17, 2007, 04:26:03 PM
LOL!!!   I think I had more panache though!!!     ;D


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Princess L on July 17, 2007, 08:22:09 PM
  If I have to I carry Tad part of the way if he starts lagging, but he usually doesn't.
 

How 'bout a doggie saddle on one of the bigger ones for Tad to ride in?


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 18, 2007, 05:08:41 AM
How 'bout a doggie saddle on one of the bigger ones for Tad to ride in?

 lol!!  Emmett would freak out, and poor Tad would be riding a bronco on Addie.   ;D

   Maybe I will get him a little scoop carrier that if I have to grab him to get him out of the way I can do it really quick?


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: temper35 on July 19, 2007, 01:17:29 PM
Flower, if you couldn't control 4 dogs at one time, why do you walk all of them at once?  Don't you have like 2 great danes or something?

Don't take that as a shot as you, because I didn't mean it like that.  I just meant that you know if something ever happened, you'd look like the bad guy who was walking four dogs, so it'd be your fault.  I also have thought about stuff like that before though, because I live in the inner city and there is alot of nitwits who can't control their dogs.  Although my dog could more than handle himself, I'd never want it to come to that, and I'd more than likely wind up getting bit by the other dog trying to break it up.


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: ~flower~ on July 19, 2007, 02:46:03 PM

 When the rottie jumped my dogs I did have control of them.  Would it be easier for me to fend off an attacking dog if I only had one dog with me, sure, but I am not going to walk my dogs a certain way because somebody else might not control their dogs.   The incident with the beagle was my fault. I shouldn't of given Addie slack to go up to the fence.  Live and learn, the dog was behind the fence, I knew that the worst thing that could happen is she would run down the fence line and that's what happened. 

  If my dogs are on leash and an off leash dog gets into it with them, the off leash dog owner is at fault no matter how many dogs I have.  That is the law. 

  Most dogs will think twice before starting with a pack.  As a few people have said, it is probably safer to walk them all together to discourage off leash dogs from coming up to us. 


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: temper35 on July 19, 2007, 02:48:46 PM
Yes, I suppose.  Some dogs just don't care, like circumstances where idiots have their pitbulls chained in their yards.


Title: Re: I'm thinking about carrying a little bat......
Post by: Hedgehog on July 19, 2007, 04:38:00 PM
lol!!  Emmett would freak out, and poor Tad would be riding a bronco on Addie.   ;D

   Maybe I will get him a little scoop carrier that if I have to grab him to get him out of the way I can do it really quick?

Dogs are actually able to carry 10-15% of their own weight in special dog backpacks, could be useful when going hiking.

-Hedge