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Title: Could Victor Martinez win the Olympia?
Post by: charles-benner on August 15, 2007, 09:01:19 AM
win the Olympia this year if he would have skipped the arnold and put all his time energy into the show, he still could win but i think his chances would be better had he took the year off like Jay did the previous year. 


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: 240 is Back on August 15, 2007, 09:08:19 AM
win the Olympia this year if he would have skipped the arnold and put all his time energy into the show, he still could win but i think his chances would be better had he took the year off like Jay did the previous year. 

Winning the ASC put him on the map as a top 3 O guy.

Without that, he was just "a guy who might do well if he ever gets his shit together".  He's elite now.


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: monstercalves on August 15, 2007, 09:13:19 AM
yep hes is elite now.....i agree.....he needed that ASC win to put his name amongst the elite i.e beating dexter, heath, freeman etc.......freeman and dexter dont really have much room for improvement wheras victor has..... so does heath but heath is a little behind victor


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: troponin on August 15, 2007, 10:08:59 AM
Winning the ASC put him on the map as a top 3 O guy.

Without that, he was just "a guy who might do well if he ever gets his shit together".  He's elite now.

Didn't his top 3 placing at the O put him on the map as a top 3 O guy?


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: monstercalves on August 15, 2007, 10:16:24 AM
yes....

but i think he needed a little more...i.e beating guys like dexter, freeman, heath etc etc

he had to show that it wasnt a one off

so by winnin the ASC this year he is making sure he will get the attention he deserves at the O

its better to win the ASC going into the Olympia than not winning it


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: hifrommike on August 15, 2007, 12:24:00 PM
I always thought Vic had what it took to be Mr. O.  He just has to develop Ronnie-like proportions.  & I think he can do it, if he will. 


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: warchild on August 15, 2007, 01:19:21 PM
Charles B, back in the house. Did those restraining orders against you get taken care of?


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: drop set on August 15, 2007, 01:55:06 PM
I always thought Vic had what it took to be Mr. O.  He just has to develop Ronnie-like proportions.  & I think he can do it, if he will. 
oh so u think he can do it if he will ? the fuk does that mean


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: donrhummy on August 15, 2007, 02:41:35 PM
Definitely elite. Took him a few years but he's developed the proper gut a Mr. O needs.


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: vinnydountsnyc on August 15, 2007, 02:49:00 PM
lets not forget the Arnold is a nice payday which vic needs !


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: WOOO on August 15, 2007, 03:09:04 PM
win the Olympia this year if he would have skipped the arnold and put all his time energy into the show, he still could win but i think his chances would be better had he took the year off like Jay did the previous year. 


he has a serious chance


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: adipo8 on August 15, 2007, 03:22:46 PM
yep hes is elite now.....i agree.....he needed that ASC win to put his name amongst the elite i.e beating dexter, heath, freeman etc.......freeman and dexter dont really have much room for improvement wheras victor has..... so does heath but heath is a little behind victor

Freeman will be 7 to 9 pounds bigger - He also was very much a pain in victor's side at the Arnold
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/468690/toney_freeman_and_arnold_classic_2007/


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: Luv_2build on August 15, 2007, 03:26:19 PM
yes....

but i think he needed a little more...i.e beating guys like dexter, freeman, heath etc etc

he had to show that it wasnt a one off

so by winnin the ASC this year he is making sure he will get the attention he deserves at the O

its better to win the ASC going into the Olympia than not winning it

I'm not knocking on Heath, i think he is certainly one of the best rising guys, but he can't compare to Victor at the current time.


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: WOOO on August 15, 2007, 03:44:51 PM
Freeman will be 7 to 9 pounds bigger - He also was very much a pain in victor's side at the Arnold
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/468690/toney_freeman_and_arnold_classic_2007/


yeah freeman has really brought his upper body to the level of his wheels... i can't wait to see the package he brings to the stage


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: Ron on August 15, 2007, 04:34:08 PM
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win the Olympia this year if he would have skipped the arnold and put all his time energy into the show, he still could win but i think his chances would be better had he took the year off like Jay did the previous year.


Victor, this year, has a great chance to be in second place behind Jay Cutler. Ronnie, this year, as he gets older, has a much tougher change to be in the top two. Third place for Ronnie....



Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez win the Olympia?
Post by: Old-Skool on August 15, 2007, 04:49:46 PM
NO


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: adipo8 on August 15, 2007, 05:23:06 PM

Victor, this year, has a great chance to be in second place behind Jay Cutler. Ronnie, this year, as he gets older, has a much tougher change to be in the top two. Third place for Ronnie....



Jay is not the front runner - shape and symmerty are added back into the equations - Kai Greene , Silvio Samuels, Toney Freeman and Dennis Wolfe - size is no longer the basis of winning. Jay - has been chasing Ronnie for so long - He is starting to resemble the same mistakes - increased waist - reduced shape -

This show is open

Silvio vs. Dexter - battle
Jay vs. Ronnie - very boring but a battle - I think they or equal  beating each other -Jay 4 wins and Ronnie 4 wins ( i may be off )
Gustavo vs. Melvin - yawn
Victor vs. Xman - the main event

However this is your Top 8 competiors

Dennis wolfe
Troy Alves
Darrem Charles
Bill Wilmore and others will bring you some interesting call outs

Wild Card - Chris Cormier - not good for Jay or Ronnie - The Clean up kid coming back to face two men he should of clearly beaten before - This year will be worth the ticket price.

The Arnold brought you a preview as The Xman  exposed Victor in more than one way - Keep in mind Xman has NEVER stood on contest stage next to Ronnie Coleman and the last time X and Jay stood next to each other xman - weighted 256 pounds and not the 290+ he is now and that was 3 years ago .The winner of that show ? DEXTER JACKSON -

With everything figured -

Jay at 3rd place and if Chris is there 4th
Ronnie out side of the the Top 6

TRUE STORY whether you like it or not !





Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: The Coach on August 15, 2007, 05:32:01 PM
Didn't his top 3 placing at the O put him on the map as a top 3 O guy?

That was a total gift, I didn't have him placed in the top 5 and he sure as hell didn't deserve third! IMO, Ronnie set the stage for Martinez when he said he was next in line to win the Olympia.


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: tweeter on August 15, 2007, 05:55:42 PM
Jay is not the front runner - shape and symmerty are added back into the equations - Kai Greene , Silvio Samuels, Toney Freeman and Dennis Wolfe - size is no longer the basis of winning. Jay - has been chasing Ronnie for so long - He is starting to resemble the same mistakes - increased waist - reduced shape -

This show is open

Silvio vs. Dexter - battle
Jay vs. Ronnie - very boring but a battle - I think they or equal  beating each other -Jay 4 wins and Ronnie 4 wins ( i may be off )
Gustavo vs. Melvin - yawn
Victor vs. Xman - the main event

However this is your Top 8 competiors

Dennis wolfe
Troy Alves
Darrem Charles
Bill Wilmore and others will bring you some interesting call outs

Wild Card - Chris Cormier - not good for Jay or Ronnie - The Clean up kid coming back to face two men he should of clearly beaten before - This year will be worth the ticket price.

The Arnold brought you a preview as The Xman  exposed Victor in more than one way - Keep in mind Xman has NEVER stood on contest stage next to Ronnie Coleman and the last time X and Jay stood next to each other xman - weighted 256 pounds and not the 290+ he is now and that was 3 years ago .The winner of that show ? DEXTER JACKSON -

With everything figured -

Jay at 3rd place and if Chris is there 4th
Ronnie out side of the the Top 6

TRUE STORY whether you like it or not !




What the hell are you talking about :o


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: CQ on August 15, 2007, 06:36:52 PM
Charles B, back in the house. Did those restraining orders against you get taken care of?

If it is actually him, I hope he is medicated or something now and does not return to his old ways.


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: adipo8 on August 16, 2007, 06:29:22 AM
What the hell are you talking about :o
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Don't agree - you one of the people who thought Ronnie would win last year? Just trying to educate you a little on Bodybuilding and not on the "wish list" of most bodybuilding fans.


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez win the Olympia?
Post by: bigkubby on August 16, 2007, 03:09:08 PM
NOTHING ABOUT VICTORS PHYSIQUE REALLY JUMPS OUT AT ME THATS JUST ANOTHER WHITE MANS OPINION ;)


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez win the Olympia?
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 16, 2007, 03:12:01 PM
The problem vic has in winning the O is that he just doesn't stand out yet. If he places high or wins a show, it's usually very close with the other guys. Jay ronnie and soon wolf on the other hand can BLOW people away. If vic gets a little bigger and a little drier MAYBE, but I doubt it. He just doesn't seem the have the work ethic the other guys have.


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: Stavios on August 16, 2007, 04:49:31 PM
Didn't his top 3 placing at the O put him on the map as a top 3 O guy?

LMAO  ;D


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: WOOO on August 16, 2007, 04:59:06 PM

Victor, this year, has a great chance to be in second place behind Jay Cutler. Ronnie, this year, as he gets older, has a much tougher change to be in the top two. Third place for Ronnie....



say it ain't so!!!!  :(


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez win the Olympia?
Post by: hifrommike on August 16, 2007, 05:27:09 PM
By "if he will," I meant if Vic will do what it takes to get as big as Ronnie & Jay have. 


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: Disgusted on August 16, 2007, 05:49:49 PM

Victor, this year, has a great chance to be in second place behind Jay Cutler. Ronnie, this year, as he gets older, has a much tougher change to be in the top two. Third place for Ronnie....



Ron, you've been smokin too much orange chicken bro. There is no way in the world that Victor is ever going to beat Ronnie. Any body can beat anybody on an off day but, Jay and Victor at their best don't even come close to Ronnie at his best and NEVER will!!!!

I am really surprised that so many people are writing Ronnie off. Ronnie lost last year due to his back. Jay was not even close from the front and as far as legs go Ronnie's make Jay's look like a before and after picture. What I do fear is politics not letting Ronnie win again. 

People are talking like Jay is all of the sudden light years ahead of Ronnie which is clearly not the case. In order for Jay to win Ronnie has to go backwards. This is completely different than if Jay all of the sudden passes up Ronnie's best. BIG difference!!!!! Like I said, not one current BBer that is competing today will ever come close to matching Ronnie's size and conditioning. Maybe a few years from now a freak will appear, but no one in the wings will.


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: The Coach on August 16, 2007, 05:58:02 PM
Ron, you've been smokin too much orange chicken bro. There is no way in the world that Victor is ever going to beat Ronnie. Any body can beat anybody on an off day but, Jay and Victor at their best don't even come close to Ronnie at his best and NEVER will!!!!

I am really surprised that so many people are writing Ronnie off. Ronnie lost last year due to his back. Jay was not even close from the front and as far as legs go Ronnie's make Jay's look like a before and after picture. What I do fear is politics not letting Ronnie win again. 

People are talking like Jay is all of the sudden light years ahead of Ronnie which is clearly not the case. In order for Jay to win Ronnie has to go backwards. This is completely different than if Jay all of the sudden passes up Ronnie's best. BIG difference!!!!! Like I said, not one current BBer that is competing today will ever come close to matching Ronnie's size and conditioning. Maybe a few years from now a freak will appear, but no one in the wings will.

That being said............















Can I have a beer today ;D??


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: Disgusted on August 16, 2007, 05:59:34 PM
That being said............















Can I have a beer today ;D??

After I pour my heart out that's all you can think of?  ;D I'm no hard guy bro so yes, a light beer will be fine.  :)


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: The Coach on August 16, 2007, 06:01:44 PM
After I pour my heart out that's all you can think of?  ;D I'm no hard guy bro so yes, a light beer will be fine.  :)

 ;D


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: sgt. d on August 16, 2007, 06:06:00 PM
Ron, you've been smokin too much orange chicken bro. There is no way in the world that Victor is ever going to beat Ronnie. Any body can beat anybody on an off day but, Jay and Victor at their best don't even come close to Ronnie at his best and NEVER will!!!!

I am really surprised that so many people are writing Ronnie off. Ronnie lost last year due to his back. Jay was not even close from the front and as far as legs go Ronnie's make Jay's look like a before and after picture. What I do fear is politics not letting Ronnie win again. 

People are talking like Jay is all of the sudden light years ahead of Ronnie which is clearly not the case. In order for Jay to win Ronnie has to go backwards. This is completely different than if Jay all of the sudden passes up Ronnie's best. BIG difference!!!!! Like I said, not one current BBer that is competing today will ever come close to matching Ronnie's size and conditioning. Maybe a few years from now a freak will appear, but no one in the wings will.

Jay, Ronnie, and Victor have nothing on King. King will mop the floor with those guys.


Sgt. D


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez win the Olympia?
Post by: suckmymuscle on August 16, 2007, 11:32:13 PM
win the Olympia this year if he would have skipped the arnold and put all his time energy into the show, he still could win but i think his chances would be better had he took the year off like Jay did the previous year. 

  Jim Rockell has already stated that Martinez has aesthetics and symmetry beyond both Jay and Ronnie. The only thing he needs is more size. Lots of it. If he puts on 50 lbs of muscle and manages to mitigate the GH gut that comes with it, then he has it in the bag.

SUCKMYMUSCLE


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: slayer on August 17, 2007, 04:27:24 AM
Ron, you've been smokin too much orange chicken bro. There is no way in the world that Victor is ever going to beat Ronnie. Any body can beat anybody on an off day but, Jay and Victor at their best don't even come close to Ronnie at his best and NEVER will!!!!

I am really surprised that so many people are writing Ronnie off. Ronnie lost last year due to his back. Jay was not even close from the front and as far as legs go Ronnie's make Jay's look like a before and after picture. What I do fear is politics not letting Ronnie win again. 

People are talking like Jay is all of the sudden light years ahead of Ronnie which is clearly not the case. In order for Jay to win Ronnie has to go backwards. This is completely different than if Jay all of the sudden passes up Ronnie's best. BIG difference!!!!! Like I said, not one current BBer that is competing today will ever come close to matching Ronnie's size and conditioning. Maybe a few years from now a freak will appear, but no one in the wings will.
and your a guru ::) more like a sissy ass cry baby ronnie fan! roniies legs look liked a pumped up middle age gym rats ,with zero detail!  you know shit , so stop acting like you know sumthin ;)

take off the shades and stop livin in 2003


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: SteelePegasus on August 17, 2007, 04:34:42 AM
yes....

but i think he needed a little more...i.e beating guys like dexter, freeman, heath etc etc

he had to show that it wasnt a one off

so by winnin the ASC this year he is making sure he will get the attention he deserves at the O

its better to win the ASC going into the Olympia than not winning it

pure genius!!!!


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: Stavios on August 17, 2007, 06:03:18 AM
After I pour my heart out that's all you can think of?  ;D I'm no hard guy bro so yes, a light beer will be fine.  :)

what kind of trainer are you ?
you are supposed to tell him to fuck off and have a glass of water  ;D


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: dearth on August 17, 2007, 06:08:24 AM

Victor, this year, has a great chance to be in second place behind Jay Cutler. Ronnie, this year, as he gets older, has a much tougher change to be in the top two. Third place for Ronnie....



then he will have a great chance to pay back the people he stole money from in exchange for his "gym memberships".


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez win the Olympia?
Post by: FloridaMuscle on August 17, 2007, 08:11:11 AM
yeah he definitly has a shot..ronnie said it himself and crowned victor as his successor. His time will come....


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez win the Olympia?
Post by: knny187 on August 17, 2007, 09:08:28 AM
I've never seen the big deal with VM


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: Disgusted on August 17, 2007, 09:39:42 AM
what kind of trainer are you ?
you are supposed to tell him to fuck off and have a glass of water  ;D

Light beer is water.  ;D


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: Disgusted on August 17, 2007, 09:40:38 AM
and your a guru ::) more like a sissy ass cry baby ronnie fan! roniies legs look liked a pumped up middle age gym rats ,with zero detail!  you know shit , so stop acting like you know sumthin ;)

take off the shades and stop livin in 2003

Thank you for the kind response.  :)


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez win the Olympia?
Post by: stomper on August 18, 2007, 01:59:01 AM
its possible vic could win,


Title: Re: Could Victor Martinez
Post by: Bear on August 18, 2007, 03:59:34 AM
Jay is not the front runner - shape and symmerty are added back into the equations - Kai Greene , Silvio Samuels, Toney Freeman and Dennis Wolfe - size is no longer the basis of winning. Jay - has been chasing Ronnie for so long - He is starting to resemble the same mistakes - increased waist - reduced shape -

This show is open

Silvio vs. Dexter - battle
Jay vs. Ronnie - very boring but a battle - I think they or equal  beating each other -Jay 4 wins and Ronnie 4 wins ( i may be off )
Gustavo vs. Melvin - yawn
Victor vs. Xman - the main event

However this is your Top 8 competiors

Dennis wolfe
Troy Alves
Darrem Charles
Bill Wilmore and others will bring you some interesting call outs

Wild Card - Chris Cormier - not good for Jay or Ronnie - The Clean up kid coming back to face two men he should of clearly beaten before - This year will be worth the ticket price.

The Arnold brought you a preview as The Xman  exposed Victor in more than one way - Keep in mind Xman has NEVER stood on contest stage next to Ronnie Coleman and the last time X and Jay stood next to each other xman - weighted 256 pounds and not the 290+ he is now and that was 3 years ago .The winner of that show ? DEXTER JACKSON -

With everything figured -

Jay at 3rd place and if Chris is there 4th
Ronnie out side of the the Top 6

TRUE STORY whether you like it or not !





Yes you're right, Kai or Silvio might beat Jay ::) People said all this shape and symmetry crap 3 or 4 years ago when Dexter started winning the ASC and placing top 3 at the O. Plus "TRUE STORY whether you like it or not !", who writes that, what a tard :-X