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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Powerlifting / Strongman => Topic started by: ripitupbaby on September 04, 2007, 01:08:23 PM
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I am setting out to bench 225 with a shirt in a competition in February 2008, and I am looking for some feedback on my training and help with my form.
A few general tidbits about me:
---Last bench competition I did was February 2007, and I weighed in at 137. I didn't pay attention to the weigh-ins, as I didn't think weight would matter, so I hate a big breakfast, kept my sweats on, and kept my shoes on when I weighed in. I was probably more like 133 if I had tried to weigh less. I benched 180 RAW with relative ease on my second lift, and I failed at 190 on my last lift. After all the weight conversions, etc., I ended up losing by 0.75 pounds to a woman who benched with a shirt.
---I have NEVER used a bench shirt before, and I want to use one this year for sure. I have no idea how to use one, how to train with one, and I don't even know which one I would get. I have talked with Hedge about it a little, and I will be looking for suggestions when the time comes. I plan on ordering a shirt within the next couple of months.
---I am a Bodybuilder first, and I have always trained for BB. I have never tried to train for powerlifting before. This kind of training is completely new to me, and it is very different than what I am used to. I usually lift 5 days a week and do different things every day, hitting pretty much everything at least once throughout the week.
---I am pretty clueless on form and technique right now and need alot of help in that department. The 180 I pressed was with a flat back and a relatively narrow grip. I would like to learn how to bench properly this year, and also with a shirt.
---I weigh somewhere around 130 right now and plan on staying under 135 for this meet if possible.
---I'm slightly concerned about maintaining my physique for BB, but I am not competing until later next year (Sept 2008), so I have decided to go for it and train for this bench meet in February, and try to get at least 225 with a shirt. I am a little worried about making sure I get adequate shoulder, back, and arm training in along with my bench training. I do not have to diet prior to the meet in February, and I will have time afterwards to focus my training on any weak points, if I develop any.
I will post my training plan separately.
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How much does first place pay?
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I have gotten some help setting up a training program from Hedgehog (THANKS!) and this is where I am at right now based on his advice...still trying to refine everything. I would like to start in the next couple of weeks, but I am lifting alone till mid-October.
SO I won't be really into it until then, but I am taking the time now to refine the training and get the basics under my belt.
I have been slacking a bit this summer, taking some down time after my last BB competition...and I am still a bit "off" in terms of my numbers right now. So for the purposes of starting off this training program, I am going under the assumption that my ONE REP MAX right now is about 160 pounds.
I am going to lift FOUR DAYS a week in the evenings. This is a reduction for me.
I also plan on doing 30 minutes of light cardio in the morning, 3-4 times a week.
Day 1 - Back/Bis (6 sets max for bis)
Day 2 (Tuesday or Weds) - Chest Workout #1
Day 3 - Legs
Day 4 (Friday or Sat) - Chest workout #2
I've incorporated a LITTLE bit of shoulder and tricep work into my chest training, but not much.
I will post the workouts as I have them now. I am interested in any relevant feedback.
WEEK 1 HEAVY (140 pounds for starters)
Workout #1 - 3 sets x 5 bench heavy, 2 sets x 3 negatives (10-20 pounds over 1RM), 3 sets x 6 incline dumbell press
Workout #2 - 3 sets x5 board presses heavy, 3 sets x 5 close grip bench press, 3 sets x 6 tricep rope pulldowns
WEEK 2 LIGHT (120 pounds for starters)
Workout #1 - 4-5 sets x 5 light bench press, 3 sets lateral raises, 3 sets rear delts with dumbells
Workout #2 - 3 sets x5 board presses heavy, 3 sets x 5 close grip bench press, 3 sets x 6 tricep rope pulldowns
WEEK 3 MODERATE (130 pounds for starters)
Workout #1 - 4-5 sets x 5 moderate bench press, 3 sets lateral raises, 3 sets rear delts with dumbells
Workout #2 - 3 sets x5 board presses heavy, 3 sets x 5 close grip bench press, 3 sets x 6 tricep rope pulldowns
---How does this look? Anything missing?
---Too much of anything? Too little?
---Enough shoulder work in there? That is one of my concerns, but I understand the importance of not overtraining with this program.
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How much does first place pay?
As usual, I am doing this for the love of the sport, not for money! :P
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As usual, I am doing this for the love of the sport, not for money! :P
My suggestion is don't put on too much weight. Also I think you should concentrate more on your figure career as opposed to BBing and benchpressing, you made one hell of a figure competitor!
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My suggestion is don't put on too much weight. Also I think you should concentrate more on your figure career as opposed to BBing and benchpressing, you made one hell of a figure competitor!
hahahaha thank you, but I just won the LWs at Junior Nationals, so I think that I make a pretty good bodybuilder.
And pound for pound, I think that I would make a damn good powerlifter too. 8)
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hahahaha thank you, but I just won the LWs at Junior Nationals, so I think that I make a pretty good bodybuilder.
And pound for pound, I think that I would make a damn good powerlifter too. 8)
But how do you think you would have fared doing figure?
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i just hit 23 reps today with 225 as my back off set.
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But how do you think you would have fared doing figure?
I did not place at all in 2006 at Figure Nationals. I was one face out of 200+ girls that all look similar, and I wasn't even noticed.
Let's talk about powerlifting now. ;D
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I did not place at all in 2006 at Figure Nationals. I was one face out of 200+ girls that all look similar, and I wasn't even noticed.
Let's talk about powerlifting now. ;D
You looked good though :) Powerlifting is boring. The weight goes down and the weight goes up. I don't see the allure. The owner of my gym benched 405 for 12 the other day and other than his spotter and me I don't think anyone really noticed. I think you should just keep your focus on being a hot piece of ass :D
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You looked good though :) Powerlifting is boring. The weight goes down and the weight goes up. I don't see the allure. The owner of my gym benched 405 for 12 the other day and other than his spotter and me I don't think anyone really noticed. I think you should just keep your focus on being a hot piece of ass :D
holy shit 405 for 12? did you see this?
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holy shit 405 for 12? did you see this?
Yeah, he told me right after that he was going light cuz he was recovering from a sore shoulder ::) The guy is a beast for sure, the biggest 'roid dealer in my area and always on, about 6'2" 280ish. I was still pretty impressed though.
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I have gotten some help setting up a training program from Hedgehog (THANKS!) and this is where I am at right now based on his advice...still trying to refine everything. I would like to start in the next couple of weeks, but I am lifting alone till mid-October.
SO I won't be really into it until then, but I am taking the time now to refine the training and get the basics under my belt.
I have been slacking a bit this summer, taking some down time after my last BB competition...and I am still a bit "off" in terms of my numbers right now. So for the purposes of starting off this training program, I am going under the assumption that my ONE REP MAX right now is about 160 pounds.
I am going to lift FOUR DAYS a week in the evenings. This is a reduction for me.
I also plan on doing 30 minutes of light cardio in the morning, 3-4 times a week.
Day 1 - Back/Bis (6 sets max for bis)
Day 2 (Tuesday or Weds) - Chest Workout #1
Day 3 - Legs
Day 4 (Friday or Sat) - Chest workout #2
I've incorporated a LITTLE bit of shoulder and tricep work into my chest training, but not much.
I will post the workouts as I have them now. I am interested in any relevant feedback.
WEEK 1 HEAVY (140 pounds for starters)
Workout #1 - 3 sets x 5 bench heavy, 2 sets x 3 negatives (10-20 pounds over 1RM), 3 sets x 6 incline dumbell press
Workout #2 - 3 sets x5 board presses heavy, 3 sets x 5 close grip bench press, 3 sets x 6 tricep rope pulldowns
WEEK 2 LIGHT (120 pounds for starters)
Workout #1 - 4-5 sets x 5 light bench press, 3 sets lateral raises, 3 sets rear delts with dumbells
Workout #2 - 3 sets x5 board presses heavy, 3 sets x 5 close grip bench press, 3 sets x 6 tricep rope pulldowns
WEEK 3 MODERATE (130 pounds for starters)
Workout #1 - 4-5 sets x 5 moderate bench press, 3 sets lateral raises, 3 sets rear delts with dumbells
Workout #2 - 3 sets x5 board presses heavy, 3 sets x 5 close grip bench press, 3 sets x 6 tricep rope pulldowns
---How does this look? Anything missing?
---Too much of anything? Too little?
---Enough shoulder work in there? That is one of my concerns, but I understand the importance of not overtraining with this program.
When is the meet? The benching should occur on Tuesday/Saturday. How tall are you? Depending on height, your board presses will have to be adjusted. Drop the negatives completely. Do rack lockouts or Tate presses instead. IMHO, you should only do 1 pressing exercise per day, no need for the inclines after the benching in week 1, etc. Train everything with a grip no wider than pinkys on rings. Do the pushdowns for higher reps, 15-20. The second workout of the week should be lighter, concentrating on form work, and explosiveness. This is vital, as a shirt bench is different than a raw bench. You can still do heavy stuff after the form work on workout 2. You should try to get into the shirt once every other week until you are used to the groove and feel of the shirt. I apologize for this being all over the place, but I think it will help.
Jason
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When is the meet? The benching should occur on Tuesday/Saturday. How tall are you? Depending on height, your board presses will have to be adjusted. Drop the negatives completely. Do rack lockouts or Tate presses instead. IMHO, you should only do 1 pressing exercise per day, no need for the inclines after the benching in week 1, etc. Train everything with a grip no wider than pinkys on rings. Do the pushdowns for higher reps, 15-20. The second workout of the week should be lighter, concentrating on form work, and explosiveness. This is vital, as a shirt bench is different than a raw bench. You can still do heavy stuff after the form work on workout 2. You should try to get into the shirt once every other week until you are used to the groove and feel of the shirt. I apologize for this being all over the place, but I think it will help.
Jason
No offence,
but how can you have any kind of opinion on her workout when you don't know when the meet is? :-\
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The meet is in the middle of February 2008, so just a little over five months. I am not sure of the specific date yet but it's usually right in the middle of the month.
I am just under 5-2.
How would I have to adjust the board presses?
I don't know what Tate presses are, I will look them up.
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The meet is in the middle of February 2008, so just a little over five months. I am not sure of the specific date yet but it's usually right in the middle of the month.
I am just under 5-2.
How would I have to adjust the board presses?
I don't know what Tate presses are, I will look them up.
You should ask for a bench press video from everyone who wants to help you and whoever can bench the most for their weight should be your mentor and you follow their advice to a t!
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You should ask for a bench press video from everyone who wants to help you and whoever can bench the most for their weight should be your mentor and you follow their advice to a t!
Not a bad idea. You first since you have offered more "advice" in this thread than anyone else so far, and since you are training the next Mr. Getbig. ;D
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Not a bad idea. You first since you have offered more "advice" in this thread than anyone else so far, and since you are training the next Mr. Getbig. ;D
No, you set a date for all the people to have them in by. We send them to you, on that day you can post them. But if I win, you have to follow my directions. I can bench 132 pounds over my bw right now. But I can get that up a bit if need be.
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No, you set a date for all the people to have them in by. We send them to you, on that day you can post them. But if I win, you have to follow my directions. I can bench 132 pounds over my bw right now. But I can get that up a bit if need be.
Ok, I am actually sandbagging a bit. I can honestly do more than 132 over my weight. Not too much, but at least 147 over my weight. I just did it last week. Who else is in?
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Ok, I am actually sandbagging a bit. I can honestly do more than 132 over my weight. Not too much, but at least 147 over my weight. I just did it last week. Who else is in?
You should express your numbers as a % over your body weight....and if you are not at least 100%, then I doubt you stand much of a chance with the PLs on this board.
Although wait.....maybe your numbers ARE close to 100%.... ;D
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You should express your numbers as a % over your body weight....and if you are not at least 100%, then I doubt you stand much of a chance with the PLs on this board.
Although wait.....maybe your numbers ARE close to 100%.... ;D
I weigh 168 right now. >:( I know all about how strong some of the people are on here, but I am willing to bet I will finish respectfully as far as the people who are wanting to help you out. It's not like helping you break some shitty state record is going to get people lined up around the corner. ::) What do you say? Do you want advice from someone who can prove they can move the iron or from someone who can prove they can copy and paste?
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I weigh 168 right now. >:( I know all about how strong some of the people are on here, but I am willing to bet I will finish respectfully as far as the people who are wanting to help you out. It's not like helping you break some shitty state record is going to get people lined up around the corner. ::) What do you say? Do you want advice from someone who can prove they can move the iron or from someone who can prove they can copy and paste?
"Powerlifting is boring," "Go back to figure," and "focus on being a hot piece of ass" do not qualify as relevant and useful advice. ::)
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"Powerlifting is boring," "Go back to figure," and "focus on being a hot piece of ass" do not qualify as relevant and useful advice. ::)
I got nothing against HH, in fact I am sure he knows 10 times more than I do about PL. But i know about benchpressing and will prove it on video. You will bench 225 easy if you listen to me and keep your sexy body while you are at it. No more of this bulking in the winter shit, not on my watch! Just tell me who has the stones to post the video and when i have to have mine in, unlike you i got some lifting to do today!
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Hedge gave you good advice for RAW training.
if you plan on using the shirt you need to use it every week from now up until the meet. you can do workout #1 as you have it already but your workout #2 needs to be shirted board presses with a WIDE grip. i'd do 2 board presses with about 20 pounds over your RAW max for starters. do 3 sets of 2 reps off the boards and try to add 5-10 pounds every shirt session until you hit a wall. then you know where you are at. as the meet gets closer you can do 1 board presses. DO NOT try to touch in the shirt until the meet, this is very important and i'll explain later.
does anyone at your gym who can help you have shirt experience?
what type of shirt do you plan on using? i like the Titan F6 single ply for beginners. you need to get a chest and arm measurement in order to get the right shirt. you want the shirt to be REALLY tight and snug. in my opinion you really need someone with experience to help you put it on and get it set correctly, if the shirt is on wrong you will dump the bar on every lift. you also need some good wrist wraps, i use the THP wraps from titan.
another thing is you MUST learn to arch and tuck your elbows with a wide grip. if you bench flat with a narrow grip you will not be able to use a shirt correctly. you can practice this arch on workout #1 for a few weeks before you try the shirt. this is very important if you want to lift in a shirt, your form must be perfect.
my training partners wife has the state record for bench in her weight class, i'll see if she will come here and give you some pointers.
you can learn the arch and elbow tuck at www.westside-barbell.com
i've been using single ply shirts for years and done several WABDL and APF meets with shirts. they are hard to get used to but once you find the groove you will be blasting up 225 before you know it. i have benched 590 pounds at 220 with a basic titan F6 in competition and drug free(clean).
i'll type some more later, i'm about to go into a meeting.
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Hedge gave you good advice for RAW training.
if you plan on using the shirt you need to use it every week from now up until the meet. you can do workout #1 as you have it already but your workout #2 needs to be shirted board presses with a WIDE grip. i'd do 2 board presses with about 20 pounds over your RAW max for starters. do 3 sets of 2 reps off the boards and try to add 5-10 pounds every shirt session until you hit a wall. then you know where you are at. as the meet gets closer you can do 1 board presses. DO NOT try to touch in the shirt until the meet, this is very important and i'll explain later.
does anyone at your gym who can help you have shirt experience?
what type of shirt do you plan on using? i like the Titan F6 single ply for beginners. you need to get a chest and arm measurement in order to get the right shirt. you want the shirt to be REALLY tight and snug. in my opinion you really need someone with experience to help you put it on and get it set correctly, if the shirt is on wrong you will dump the bar on every lift. you also need some good wrist wraps, i use the THP wraps from titan.
another thing is you MUST learn to arch and tuck your elbows with a wide grip. if you bench flat with a narrow grip you will not be able to use a shirt correctly. you can practice this arch on workout #1 for a few weeks before you try the shirt. this is very important if you want to lift in a shirt, your form must be perfect.
my training partners wife has the state record for bench in her weight class, i'll see if she will come here and give you some pointers.
you can learn the arch and elbow tuck at www.westside-barbell.com
i've been using single ply shirts for years and done several WABDL and APF meets with shirts. they are hard to get used to but once you find the groove you will be blasting up 225 before you know it. i have benched 590 pounds at 220 with a basic titan F6 in competition and drug free(clean).
i'll type some more later, i'm about to go into a meeting.
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My plan is for her to add the shirt ten weeks out of the meet, and use it once a week from then all the way in to the meet, with a slightly different routine, throw out a few supplemental excersises, more hardcore competition benchpress, lower reps, et al.
You know the drill. ;D
Agree on the F6 single ply.
And very true about the grip. A wide grip is almost necessary to even be able to lift with a shirt.
BTW, you've seen Wade's latest clips?
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Hedge gave you good advice for RAW training.
if you plan on using the shirt you need to use it every week from now up until the meet. you can do workout #1 as you have it already but your workout #2 needs to be shirted board presses with a WIDE grip. i'd do 2 board presses with about 20 pounds over your RAW max for starters. do 3 sets of 2 reps off the boards and try to add 5-10 pounds every shirt session until you hit a wall. then you know where you are at. as the meet gets closer you can do 1 board presses. DO NOT try to touch in the shirt until the meet, this is very important and i'll explain later.
does anyone at your gym who can help you have shirt experience?
what type of shirt do you plan on using? i like the Titan F6 single ply for beginners. you need to get a chest and arm measurement in order to get the right shirt. you want the shirt to be REALLY tight and snug. in my opinion you really need someone with experience to help you put it on and get it set correctly, if the shirt is on wrong you will dump the bar on every lift. you also need some good wrist wraps, i use the THP wraps from titan.
another thing is you MUST learn to arch and tuck your elbows with a wide grip. if you bench flat with a narrow grip you will not be able to use a shirt correctly. you can practice this arch on workout #1 for a few weeks before you try the shirt. this is very important if you want to lift in a shirt, your form must be perfect.
my training partners wife has the state record for bench in her weight class, i'll see if she will come here and give you some pointers.
you can learn the arch and elbow tuck at www.westside-barbell.com
i've been using single ply shirts for years and done several WABDL and APF meets with shirts. they are hard to get used to but once you find the groove you will be blasting up 225 before you know it. i have benched 590 pounds at 220 with a basic titan F6 in competition and drug free(clean).
i'll type some more later, i'm about to go into a meeting.
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bullshit.
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Best PL advice I ever heard in regards to benching with a shirts...
"LIVE IN THE SHIRT"
Get use to it, find the groove, learn to work in it like breathing...benching in a shirt feels completely different than raw. I'd follow the "always use the shirt" mindset.
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My plan is for her to add the shirt ten weeks out of the meet, and use it once a week from then all the way in to the meet, with a slightly different routine, throw out a few supplemental excersises, more hardcore competition benchpress, lower reps, et al.
You know the drill. ;D
Agree on the F6 single ply.
And very true about the grip. A wide grip is almost necessary to even be able to lift with a shirt.
BTW, you've seen Wade's latest clips?
You know your shit Hedge.
i just prefer people to have more practice before the meet. it took me about 4 months to get the groove down.
Hell yeah, Wade is the shit!
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Re. the shirt, I do plan on getting one pretty soon. I'll look into the one suggested here by overload and hedge, and also someone else sent me some info on another shirt. I haven't really begun to do the research but I will.
I have a good friend who has alot of experience in powerlifting, particularly benching. He actually had a small shirt that he tried to get on me earlier this year, but it was TOO small...I couldn't get it over my shoulders no matter how hard I tried. It was painful to try to get it on, too. I have no idea what size person would actually have fit into it because I am pretty small. It looked like it would have fit a cabbage patch doll, maybe. :-\
So as of now, I have never even had a shirt ON. Anyway, when the time comes, he can help me get the shirt on properly, etc.
I'll work on a wider grip in the meantime. Is pinky fingers on the rings of the bar pretty much where I should be? Or is that too wide for me? Right now, I'm used to about 2 inches in from the ring, I think.
I gotta go back and read through some of this info again...it takes me a while to absorb and process all of it. I'm sure I will have more questions.
Thanks!
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my training partners wife has the state record for bench in her weight class, i'll see if she will come here and give you some pointers.
you can learn the arch and elbow tuck at www.westside-barbell.com
P.S. That would be awesome, I am looking for pointers from anyone with more experience than me. 8)
Thanks for the link, I will check it out.
OH, and YES chest workouts will either be Tuesday/Saturday or Wednesday/Sunday.
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Re. the shirt, I do plan on getting one pretty soon. I'll look into the one suggested here by overload and hedge, and also someone else sent me some info on another shirt. I haven't really begun to do the research but I will.
I have a good friend who has alot of experience in powerlifting, particularly benching. He actually had a small shirt that he tried to get on me earlier this year, but it was TOO small...I couldn't get it over my shoulders no matter how hard I tried. It was painful to try to get it on, too. I have no idea what size person would actually have fit into it because I am pretty small. It looked like it would have fit a cabbage patch doll, maybe. :-\
So as of now, I have never even had a shirt ON. Anyway, when the time comes, he can help me get the shirt on properly, etc.
I'll work on a wider grip in the meantime. Is pinky fingers on the rings of the bar pretty much where I should be? Or is that too wide for me? Right now, I'm used to about 2 inches in from the ring, I think.
I gotta go back and read through some of this info again...it takes me a while to absorb and process all of it. I'm sure I will have more questions.
Thanks!
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Your size, I would say ring finger or middle finger would be best.
A few smaller lifters use maximum width (index finger on the ring), but try ring finger for now.
My guess is that you should go with a size 32 or 34.
The shirt should feel like a strait jacket when wearing it, BTW.
When you're ready to order, call Titan and make your order, the number's here:
http://www.titansupport.com/index.htm
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I have a good friend who has alot of experience in powerlifting, particularly benching. He actually had a small shirt that he tried to get on me earlier this year, but it was TOO small...I couldn't get it over my shoulders no matter how hard I tried. It was painful to try to get it on, too. I have no idea what size person would actually have fit into it because I am pretty small. It looked like it would have fit a cabbage patch doll, maybe. :-\
Check with your friend what shirt and size it is. Remember to put baby powder (use the non parfumed kind) on the shoulders, and also to put thin plastic bags on your arms/elbows as slip ons, using the same kind of technique as this guy putting on the squat suit:
Then chances are, the shirt will slip on.
But I still think you should get a F6, a tight F6 of competition make.
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My plan is for her to add the shirt ten weeks out of the meet, and use it once a week from then all the way in to the meet, with a slightly different routine, throw out a few supplemental excersises, more hardcore competition benchpress, lower reps, et al.
You know the drill. ;D
Agree on the F6 single ply.
And very true about the grip. A wide grip is almost necessary to even be able to lift with a shirt.
BTW, you've seen Wade's latest clips?
Man, I'd have to add a new shirt further out than that. Typically 16 weeks and just work on working the shirt with the boards down from a 4 board to a 1 board with a 2-3 week wave on the boards. I'd drop the boards 2-3 weeks out and make sure I can get my opener (about 93% of my previous 1RM--up to 95% if I'm feeling really good). If this is her first contest getting the opener is the single most important thing she has to do. We don't want to see her bomb out because of the opener.
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Check with your friend what shirt and size it is. Remember to put baby powder (use the non parfumed kind) on the shoulders, and also to put thin plastic bags on your arms/elbows as slip ons, using the same kind of technique as this guy putting on the squat suit:
Then chances are, the shirt will slip on.
But I still think you should get a F6, a tight F6 of competition make.
I just spoke with my buddy. The bench shirt that I tried to borrow from him and failed to get on was an Inzer Blast, one ply poly.
It was his friend's girlfriend's shirt from about 15 years ago, and it was SMALL.
Given my experience trying to get that shirt on, and what I just saw with the squat suit in that video, it looks like it's gonna hurt. :-[
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I just spoke with my buddy. The bench shirt that I tried to borrow from him and failed to get on was an Inzer Blast, one ply poly.
It was his friend's girlfriend's shirt from about 15 years ago, and it was SMALL.
Given my experience trying to get that shirt on, and what I just saw with the squat suit in that video, it looks like it's gonna hurt. :-[
That's what I figured. The Blast shirt is one of the oldest shirts, it came out 15-17 years ago or something like that.
So get on with finding proper size for a F6 single ply.
My suggestion is that you call the guys at Titan, give them your measurements, and ask for a size suggestion.
Then get back with that to this board, and we'll be able to help you (usually the manufacturers suggests a few sizes larger than what is optimal for competing).
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That's what I figured. The Blast shirt is one of the oldest shirts, it came out 15-17 years ago or something like that.
So get on with finding proper size for a F6 single ply.
My suggestion is that you call the guys at Titan, give them your measurements, and ask for a size suggestion.
Then get back with that to this board, and we'll be able to help you (usually the manufacturers suggests a few sizes larger than what is optimal for competing).
Yeah...titan will help you.
as you progress you can by a smaller shirt that is much tighter and it will help add more weight.
a couple pointers...
-Breathe to your stomach before lowering the bar.
-Simply control the bar on the way down, don't go too fast. let the bar follow the groove.
-Always have a lift off to keep your shoulders planted firm on the bench.
-Squeeze the bar with your hands as hard as you can and attempt to tear the bar in half on the way up. this actually helps quite a bit.
-Pause each rep at the bottom with the shirt on. have your spotter say "press" and "rack" just like in a meet.
-Focus on were the bar is going, don't just press, make sure it goes up in a straight line.
-Wear a small belt to keep the shirt from moving when you setup your arch.
-Always read the rulebook for the FED you are going to compete in, some are more technical.
Use these to help get the shirt on.
http://www.flexcart.com/members/elitefts/default.asp?m=PD&cid=205&pid=1760
You will also need these for a tight shirt unless the guy has some insane hand strength. you can buy these at lowes i think.
http://www.inzernet.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FITGLOVE
you will also need a singlet for the competition.
Good luck!
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Why do you guys have her training legs for a bench competition? She could let her legs and ass atrophy and lose 7 to 10 pounds easy. And don't give me the "but I am still a bodybuilder" bullshit. If you want to be the best at something, train to be the best. Worry about bodybuilding after the bench competition.
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Why do you guys have her training legs for a bench competition? She could let her legs and ass atrophy and lose 7 to 10 pounds easy. And don't give me the "but I am still a bodybuilder" bullshit. If you want to be the best at something, train to be the best. Worry about bodybuilding after the bench competition.
they may be trying to keep stress off her shoulders by not having the squat bar resting on them but she should at least do hacks and leg presses.
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they may be trying to keep stress off her shoulders by not having the squat bar resting on them but she should at least do hacks and leg presses.
You think that hacks and presses will help her bench by that much?
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Yeah...titan will help you.
as you progress you can by a smaller shirt that is much tighter and it will help add more weight.
a couple pointers...
-Breathe to your stomach before lowering the bar.
-Simply control the bar on the way down, don't go too fast. let the bar follow the groove.
-Always have a lift off to keep your shoulders planted firm on the bench.
-Squeeze the bar with your hands as hard as you can and attempt to tear the bar in half on the way up. this actually helps quite a bit.
-Pause each rep at the bottom with the shirt on. have your spotter say "press" and "rack" just like in a meet.
-Focus on were the bar is going, don't just press, make sure it goes up in a straight line.
-Wear a small belt to keep the shirt from moving when you setup your arch.
-Always read the rulebook for the FED you are going to compete in, some are more technical.
Use these to help get the shirt on.
http://www.flexcart.com/members/elitefts/default.asp?m=PD&cid=205&pid=1760
You will also need these for a tight shirt unless the guy has some insane hand strength. you can buy these at lowes i think.
http://www.inzernet.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FITGLOVE
you will also need a singlet for the competition.
Good luck!
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Man those are some awesome pointers for the bench!! Im gonna try and use some of that in my training also. I feel they could help anybody trying to push more weight.
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Why do you guys have her training legs for a bench competition? She could let her legs and ass atrophy and lose 7 to 10 pounds easy. And don't give me the "but I am still a bodybuilder" bullshit. If you want to be the best at something, train to be the best. Worry about bodybuilding after the bench competition.
You are kidding, right? I'm gonna assume that was a joke, since there are about 20 reasons why I would continue training legs, one of which is that a strong lower body is necessary for a strong bench.
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super moderator bluto benches a lot, guys a machine
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You are kidding, right? I'm gonna assume that was a joke, since there are about 20 reasons why I would continue training legs, one of which is that a strong lower body is necessary for a strong bench.
I have seen dudes in wheelchairs put up big numbers! Lets try to get you in a lower weight class, atrophy baby!
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Man you never stop training legs, thats half your body.
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Man you never stop training legs, thats half your body.
Not the half that benchpresses!
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Why do you guys have her training legs for a bench competition? She could let her legs and ass atrophy and lose 7 to 10 pounds easy. And don't give me the "but I am still a bodybuilder" bullshit. If you want to be the best at something, train to be the best. Worry about bodybuilding after the bench competition.
I seriously hope you are joking as this is a very stupid idea.
she could drop 7-10 pounds just by dropping water 2 days before the comp.
i have personally dropped 12 pounds in one day without using a diuretic.
why have her atrophy her legs that she has worked so hard to build? she has fantastic legs and i hope she takes your comment as a joke. she might as well go on a coke binge if she followed your thought process.
some of the biggest male and female benchers in the world have very impressive squat numbers.
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I seriously hope you are joking as this is a very stupid idea.
she could drop 7-10 pounds just by dropping water 2 days before the comp.
i have personally dropped 12 pounds in one day without using a diuretic.
why have her atrophy her legs that she has worked so hard to build? she has fantastic legs and i hope she takes your comment as a joke.
she might as well go on a coke binge if she followed your thought process.
some of the biggest male and female benchers in the world have very impressive squat numbers.
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I will be continuing my leg training at least once a week for obvious reasons.
I'm gonna take measurements and look into the shirt. Thanks!!
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I seriously hope you are joking as this is a very stupid idea.
she could drop 7-10 pounds just by dropping water 2 days before the comp.
i have personally dropped 12 pounds in one day without using a diuretic.
why have her atrophy her legs that she has worked so hard to build? she has fantastic legs and i hope she takes your comment as a joke. she might as well go on a coke binge if she followed your thought process.
some of the biggest male and female benchers in the world have very impressive squat numbers.
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So, she could atrophy her leg muscles AND lose another 12 pounds of water? I see no reason why she shouldn't bench 225 at a bodyweight of 110 then. Great idea! As far as the coke binge goes, hell yeah I condone it!
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Here's a pic from my last comp, Feb 2007, 175, which I got easily. You can see my technique, or lack thereof. I don't think I am using my legs at all lol.
I'll practice the arch, but it seems awkward and uncomfortable.
Should I still use the plates under my feet?
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Here's a pic from my last comp, Feb 2007, 175, which I got easily. You can see my technique, or lack thereof. I don't think I am using my legs at all lol.
I'll practice the arch, but it seems awkward and uncomfortable.
Should I still use the plates under my feet?
What kind of room are you in? Doesn't look like a gym. Also, are you you familiar with Gary Sinise? He cut off his legs for the role of Lt. Dan in Forrest Gump. He had them sewed back on after the movie was filmed, just something to think about. 225 at a BW of 70 would be pretty sweet!
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What kind of room are you in? Doesn't look like a gym. Also, are you you familiar with Gary Sinise? He cut off his legs for the role of Lt. Dan in Forrest Gump. He had them sewed back on after the movie was filmed, just something to think about. 225 at a BW of 70 would be pretty sweet!
LOL The meets are held in hotel conference rooms because it's easier to deal with an audience and the set-up (speakers, etc). There were about 60-75 people in the audience for that one, actually.
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What kind of room are you in? Doesn't look like a gym. Also, are you you familiar with Gary Sinise? He cut off his legs for the role of Lt. Dan in Forrest Gump. He had them sewed back on after the movie was filmed, just something to think about. 225 at a BW of 70 would be pretty sweet!
He didnt have them sewn back on, if you remember at the end of the film, he has prosthetic lower limbs, and forrest is all like, yo dan wtf, you got your wheels back, crazy shit.
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He didnt have them sewn back on, if you remember at the end of the film, he has prosthetic lower limbs, and forrest is all like, yo dan wtf, you got your wheels back, crazy shit.
He had titanium alloy legs in the film(same as the stuff used on the space shuttle), but he has real flesh and blood legs now :o
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Here's a pic from my last comp, Feb 2007, 175, which I got easily. You can see my technique, or lack thereof. I don't think I am using my legs at all lol.
I'll practice the arch, but it seems awkward and uncomfortable.
Should I still use the plates under my feet?
Best case scenario: Get even bigger platforms under your feet.
But if not, stick with at least those plates.
You clearly need to get your feet up a little.
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Best case scenario: Get even bigger platforms under your feet.
But if not, stick with at least those plates.
You clearly need to get your feet up a little.
I dont' know Hedge.
If you look at her form, she looks like she's benching very similar to how my wife does (who's by the way working on a 215-225 RAW at 132 for her next contest ;) ). She sets up with that low arch and heels high, but if she drives her heels down into the floor, her arch improves drammatically and she keeps her hips on the bench. I tried having her raise her feet up and what ended up happening was she'd raise her hips up off the bench every time. What weve ended up doing is setting up like that, then as she lowers the bar, pushing down with her heels until they are flat (or nearly flat), which leads to her arching up to the bar. To me it looks a bit strange, but she feels as if she can get really good leg drive that way and her benchs are going up steadily.
It depends on what her flexibility is like, but its something to consider.
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If you look at her form, she looks like she's benching very similar to how my wife does (who's by the way working on a 215-225 RAW at 132 for her next contest ;) ).
Very impressive!! 8)
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I dont' know Hedge.
If you look at her form, she looks like she's benching very similar to how my wife does (who's by the way working on a 215-225 RAW at 132 for her next contest ;) ). She sets up with that low arch and heels high, but if she drives her heels down into the floor, her arch improves drammatically and she keeps her hips on the bench. I tried having her raise her feet up and what ended up happening was she'd raise her hips up off the bench every time. What weve ended up doing is setting up like that, then as she lowers the bar, pushing down with her heels until they are flat (or nearly flat), which leads to her arching up to the bar. To me it looks a bit strange, but she feels as if she can get really good leg drive that way and her benchs are going up steadily.
It depends on what her flexibility is like, but its something to consider.
Good points but does your wife use a shirt? the arch and tucking of the elbows is the most important part when using a shirt. judging by rips picture she needs more arch, better elbow tuck and needs to get her feet further back towards her hips.
the way your wife benches is fine but remember once your feet are set and the bar is unracked you cannot move your feet. driving the heals down can cause the feet to move and that's an instant redlight.
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Good points but does your wife use a shirt? the arch and tucking of the elbows is the most important part when using a shirt. judging by rips picture she needs more arch, better elbow tuck and needs to get her feet further back towards her hips.
the way your wife benches is fine but remember once your feet are set and the bar is unracked you cannot move your feet. driving the heals down can cause the feet to move and that's an instant redlight.
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She's just really gettting into shirted benching--which I'm sort of pushing her to do it because I think she may have a good shot at single ply state records. The only contests she's done have been RAW.
We've been experimenting quite a bit on technique for trying to find her best groove---for me I'm a relatively short, very, very thick torsoed guy with a big arch and a short stroke. Bascially because of that, I bench just about the same in a shirt as I do raw. She on the other hand is relatively tall (5'9") and thinner framed. She doesn't have the chest depth I've got, so we've been really trying to push up her arch to shorten her stroke.
As far as elbow tuck..... I don't feel comfortable commenting on it with the picture that RIP posted. Her shoulder is partially obscured by the plate and she's halfway through the movement AND she's doing this bench raw (in which case I think her elbows look about where they are supposed to be in the lift). I'd assume she knows to get that elbow tuck at the bottom with a shirt---or hopefully she's got someone to help her find her groove with the shirt, including the elbow tuck.
Your points about getting the feet set and being redlighted are SO important..... I bombed out of a local contest because I absolutely couldn't get my feet set on the carpet. I slipped my right foot the first attempt, tried to clean off my shoes, came back to slip with the eft foot the second and then just flat out missed the weight on the third. It was a bad day. Wearing shoes with good traction is something I won't overlook again for a bench contest.
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Good points but does your wife use a shirt? the arch and tucking of the elbows is the most important part when using a shirt. judging by rips picture she needs more arch, better elbow tuck and needs to get her feet further back towards her hips.
the way your wife benches is fine but remember once your feet are set and the bar is unracked you cannot move your feet. driving the heals down can cause the feet to move and that's an instant redlight.
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She's just really gettting into shirted benching--which I'm sort of pushing her to do it because I think she may have a good shot at single ply state records. The only contests she's done have been RAW.
We've been experimenting quite a bit on technique for trying to find her best groove---for me I'm a relatively short, very, very thick torsoed guy with a big arch and a short stroke. Bascially because of that, I bench just about the same in a shirt as I do raw. She on the other hand is relatively tall (5'9") and thinner framed. She doesn't have the chest depth I've got, so we've been really trying to push up her arch to shorten her stroke.
As far as elbow tuck..... I don't feel comfortable commenting on it with the picture that RIP posted. Her shoulder is partially obscured by the plate and she's halfway through the movement AND she's doing this bench raw (in which case I think her elbows look about where they are supposed to be in the lift). I'd assume she knows to get that elbow tuck at the bottom with a shirt---or hopefully she's got someone to help her find her groove with the shirt, including the elbow tuck.
Your points about getting the feet set and being redlighted are SO important..... I bombed out of a local contest because I absolutely couldn't get my feet set on the carpet. I slipped my right foot the first attempt, tried to clean off my shoes, came back to slip with the eft foot the second and then just flat out missed the weight on the third. It was a bad day. Wearing shoes with good traction is something I won't overlook again for a bench contest.
The only thing I did for that meet was concentrate on keeping my feet still, and from the looks of that pic, I am not really pushing with my legs at all. My elbows are not tucked at all when I bench. I gotta work on my elbow tuck and arch, but it is SO awkward feeling, as I have never done it before. It's hard to believe it's gonna improve my bench cuz it feels weird and uncomfortable. I guess it's just a matter of practice.
Thanks to those of you who have sent me links to videos, etc.
I'm gonna take my measurements this weekend and look into the shirt, I will call Titan.
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The arch and tuck will feel very weird at first but after a month or two you will feel more comfortable with it. once i got it down i was making very good improvements in short period of time. you will feel weaker at first just because it's a new form of benching.
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OK, I did practice the arch and tuck over the weekend....I am not doing the specific workouts yet because I am still training alone. There was NO ONE in the gym yesterday to spot me or give me a lift off or anything...I mean NO ONE. But I managed to get 135 for three sets of seven on my own, relatively easily, while practicing the form.
SO ANYWAY, I took my measurements and called Titan about the F6 shirt. Here's the deal...
There are three versions of this shirt:
---Regular Fit - snug for new lifters, passive support
---Meet Fit - tight for training and contests
---Competition Fit - Extremely tight
I am just under 5-2", around 135 pounds give or take a few.
My chest measurement at the thickest part (boobs included) is 40 inches. :o
My flexed arm measurement is 13.5 inches.
The woman on the phone said they usually recommend one size up from the chest measurement for females.
She told me she would go with either a Competition Fit 42, Meet Fit 44, or Regular Fit 46.
Then she said that a Size 40 usually goes up to about a 14.5 inch arm for a guy, so she said that the shirt could end up loose in my arms.
They have a 30 day exchange policy and I can exchange the shirt twice if I need to.
What do you think I should go with? ???
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OK, I did practice the arch and tuck over the weekend....I am not doing the specific workouts yet because I am still training alone. There was NO ONE in the gym yesterday to spot me or give me a lift off or anything...I mean NO ONE. But I managed to get 135 for three sets of seven on my own, relatively easily, while practicing the form.
SO ANYWAY, I took my measurements and called Titan about the F6 shirt. Here's the deal...
There are three versions of this shirt:
---Regular Fit - snug for new lifters, passive support
---Meet Fit - tight for training and contests
---Competition Fit - Extremely tight
I am just under 5-2", around 135 pounds give or take a few.
My chest measurement at the thickest part (boobs included) is 40 inches. :o
My flexed arm measurement is 13.5 inches.
The woman on the phone said they usually recommend one size up from the chest measurement for females.
She told me she would go with either a Competition Fit 42, Meet Fit 44, or Regular Fit 46.
Then she said that a Size 40 usually goes up to about a 14.5 inch arm for a guy, so she said that the shirt could end up loose in my arms.
They have a 30 day exchange policy and I can exchange the shirt twice if I need to.
What do you think I should go with? ???
She's obviously smoking some good shit. ;D
Guys in the 198 lbs division usually wears 42-44. A tall female lifter at my club, who wears really big shirts, and is 5'9'', wears a 40. She weighs 175 lbs or so. Not fat.
If you order a 36, it won't be too big, I am sure of that.
You probably won't be able to touch your chest with anything less than 200-210 lbs, but that's kind of the idea.
Also, the shirt will get slightly bigger after used awhile. You need to break it in.
Rule of thumb: If you have no problem touching the chest with your Raw max, the shirt is too big.
Just from hearing the suggestions from Titan, I say go with a 36 competition fit.
Remember the plastic bags when putting it on though, and make sure to pull it far back on the shoulders too.
Rule of thumb to check if sleeves are far enough up on the shoulders: There shouldn't be any room between your armpit and the shirt.
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I agree with hedge on all points.
You need a 36-38 comp fit.
i wear a 48 and i'm over 220 pounds but it's insanely tight. the lady must be high. if you have 13.5 arms you MUST wear a shirt that is tight around the arms, if the arms are loose you won't get anything out of the shirt.
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OK that's two votes for a 36 Competition Fit. I'll order it this weekend.
Yikes...this is gonna hurt. :-\
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I usually have marks on the back of my triceps after using a shirt. it's going to be tight and you will feel alot of pressure across your chest as you lower the bar.
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OK that's two votes for a 36 Competition Fit. I'll order it this weekend.
Yikes...this is gonna hurt. :-\
Yes, as Overload point out, you should have marks under your arms, and you should also feel a lot of pain the first couple of times lifting in the shirt.
But if the shirt is tight enough, the pain is less, for some reason.
The discomfort of the shirt, at least the lifting part, is a thing of the past after the first few workouts IMO.
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Yes, as Overload point out, you should have marks under your arms, and you should also feel a lot of pain the first couple of times lifting in the shirt.
But if the shirt is tight enough, the pain is less, for some reason.
The discomfort of the shirt, at least the lifting part, is a thing of the past after the first few workouts IMO.
OK This is sounding better and better. :D
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OK This is sounding better and better. :D
After using the shirt for awhile, you probably will get the sleeves tighened up a bit, get a saddlemaker or a shoemaker, someone with a sturdy sewing machine, to sew a plain stitch where the original stitch is, but a but tighter. 8)
But as I said, that comes after a few weeks.
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After using the shirt for awhile, you probably will get the sleeves tighened up a bit, get a saddlemaker or a shoemaker, someone with a sturdy sewing machine, to sew a plain stitch where the original stitch is, but a but tighter. 8)
But as I said, that comes after a few weeks.
We have an industrial strength sewing machine that is used to make designer carpets.
My hubby can take care of that too, after he makes the wooden blocks for under my feet. 8)
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We have an industrial strength sewing machine that is used to make designer carpets.
My hubby can take care of that too, after he makes the wooden blocks for under my feet. 8)
You were destined to become a benchpresser apparently. 8)
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Yes, as Overload point out, you should have marks under your arms, and you should also feel a lot of pain the first couple of times lifting in the shirt.
But if the shirt is tight enough, the pain is less, for some reason.
The discomfort of the shirt, at least the lifting part, is a thing of the past after the first few workouts IMO.
marks hell, I've got bruises on my shoulders and under my arms, even across my chest with some shirts (my old double denim was BAD for chest bruises)..... but they do seem to get better once the shirt is broken in. You can try wetting the seams a bit, that seems to help me quite a bit in getting the shirt on the first couple of times. Also dampen the neck so you can touch easier the first couple of times you use the shirt until its broken in.
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I ordered my bench press shirt today. I ordered a Titan F6, size 36. Red of course. 8)
The people on the phone at Titan confuse me. When I called to order the shirt, she told me that they do not have the various fits for a size 36 (regular, meet, competition). She said it's a straight 36 and that they don't make the different fits for the smaller sizes. She also said that it would have been 4-6 weeks if I had ordered it over the internet and submitted my measurements (in which case they would have sized me at a 42 competition), but since I ordered a specific size over the phone, it should take 2-3 weeks max.
I have a 30 day window to exchange it if the size is wrong, so I just figured what the hell, I went ahead and ordered it, so we shall see. Timing should be good, as I plan on having my workout partner/spotter back in the gym with me in about 3 weeks or so.
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I ordered my bench press shirt today. I ordered a Titan F6, size 36. Red of course. 8)
The people on the phone at Titan confuse me. When I called to order the shirt, she told me that they do not have the various fits for a size 36 (regular, meet, competition). She said it's a straight 36 and that they don't make the different fits for the smaller sizes. She also said that it would have been 4-6 weeks if I had ordered it over the internet and submitted my measurements (in which case they would have sized me at a 42 competition), but since I ordered a specific size over the phone, it should take 2-3 weeks max.
I have a 30 day window to exchange it if the size is wrong, so I just figured what the hell, I went ahead and ordered it, so we shall see. Timing should be good, as I plan on having my workout partner/spotter back in the gym with me in about 3 weeks or so.
Awesome...i have 2 black shirts and a blue/red shirt. about 5 years ago i ordered my first shirt and it was purple and orange...yuck! they now keep the colors very basic.
i've never heard of the 3 different types ever when i talked to them. i thought this was something new because i haven't ordered a shirt from them in over a year. glad to hear you got it figured out.
Good luck!
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Awesome...i have 2 black shirts and a blue/red shirt. about 5 years ago i ordered my first shirt and it was purple and orange...yuck! they now keep the colors very basic.
i've never heard of the 3 different types ever when i talked to them. i thought this was something new because i haven't ordered a shirt from them in over a year. glad to hear you got it figured out.
Good luck!
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haha Purple would be sweet. I almost went with a red/black combo. I think I can work the whole red shirt blonde hair thing, although I spose it's not going to make much difference in my bench. It's not like a figure suit lol.
I guess Titan only has the three different fits for larger sizes, over 40. This should be interesting since she was suggesting a Size 46 regular (or 42 competition) for me and I ordered a 36.
Next on my list are boards and wooden blocks for my feet...I'm gonna try to get those together in the next week or two, and then I will be ready to rock and roll. 8)
I think I'm going with 2" boards for starters, BTW.
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Awesome...i have 2 black shirts and a blue/red shirt. about 5 years ago i ordered my first shirt and it was purple and orange...yuck! they now keep the colors very basic.
i've never heard of the 3 different types ever when i talked to them. i thought this was something new because i haven't ordered a shirt from them in over a year. glad to hear you got it figured out.
Good luck!
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That "3 different types" thing was a suprise to me too.
Must be something they just put on their website for show, and then they'll just figure out from the measurements what size to send?
Anyway, seems like ripitup's got things moving on well now.
Next thing we'll hear from her, are the complaints of how tight the shirt was and how much it hurted. 8)
We've all been there, and all thought it was impossible to lift in those fcuking strait jackets. ;D
I remember on a few occasions panicking, not being able to remove the shirt, the fingers numbing up.
...ah, what a sweet sport.
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haha Purple would be sweet. I almost went with a red/black combo. I think I can work the whole red shirt blonde hair thing, although I spose it's not going to make much difference in my bench. It's not like a figure suit lol.
I guess Titan only has the three different fits for larger sizes, over 40. This should be interesting since she was suggesting a Size 46 regular (or 42 competition) for me and I ordered a 36.
Next on my list are boards and wooden blocks for my feet...I'm gonna try to get those together in the next week or two, and then I will be ready to rock and roll. 8)
I think I'm going with 2" boards for starters, BTW.
A 42 would probably fall off you...lol
the lady i know who set the state record weighed 181 and is 5'8" and was wearing a 42.
the 36 should be good for you.
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That "3 different types" thing was a suprise to me too.
Must be something they just put on their website for show, and then they'll just figure out from the measurements what size to send?
Anyway, seems like ripitup's got things moving on well now.
Next thing we'll hear from her, are the complaints of how tight the shirt was and how much it hurted. 8)
We've all been there, and all thought it was impossible to lift in those fcuking strait jackets. ;D
I remember on a few occasions panicking, not being able to remove the shirt, the fingers numbing up.
...ah, what a sweet sport.
So true on all points. the first time i used a shirt i was like how the hell am i supposed to bench in this thing?...lol
ahhh...the hands going numb feeling while waiting for your next lift, what a fun feeling! then the wrist wraps and your hands are numb...hahahha
as much as i enjoy the shirts, the first thing i say after my last press is "get this fucker off me now"!
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What is the benefit of the elbow tuck.....more triceps involvement?
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What is the benefit of the elbow tuck.....more triceps involvement?
So you can touch the weight.
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What kind of room are you in? Doesn't look like a gym. Also, are you you familiar with Gary Sinise? He cut off his legs for the role of Lt. Dan in Forrest Gump. He had them sewed back on after the movie was filmed, just something to think about. 225 at a BW of 70 would be pretty sweet!
that's some dedication to cut your own legs off for a part..i'm assuming he got paid extra for that?
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What is the benefit of the elbow tuck.....more triceps involvement?
As Vet stated, it's to get the bar down.
After awhile, you'll hopefully find a midway, between flaring out with the elbows and tucking them in.
Because the more the elbows flare, the more poundage you'll get from the shirt, but that in itself takes a lot of strength to hold the bar down that path.
Regardless, the barbell has to be lowered to the chest (lowest point is the lowest part of the sternum) and not the belly.
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As Vet stated, it's to get the bar down.
After awhile, you'll hopefully find a midway, between flaring out with the elbows and tucking them in.
Because the more the elbows flare, the more poundage you'll get from the shirt, but that in itself takes a lot of strength to hold the bar down that path.
Regardless, the barbell has to be lowered to the chest (lowest point is the lowest part of the sternum) and not the belly.
I actually had no idea why I wanted to tuck the elbows. I thought it had something to do with getting more power on the way up.
I am not really understanding this, but I bet I will once I get my shirt and try to get the bar down with it.
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So I've ordered my shirt, I got my workouts pretty set, and I am pretty much ready to start training for the bench meet...except that I am training alone for the next 3-4 weeks. My husband usually trains with me and spots me, etc. but he's tied up with some stuff and won't be back in the gym till mid-October. I train at a gym that is pretty empty most of the time, so it's hard for me to find a spotter, and even when I do, it's not usually someone who I can trust knows what they are doing.
I am kind of in-limbo for a few weeks and am not sure what I should do about my training in the mean time.
Should I just stick with the BB workouts? That's essentially a five day split, including a day of shoulders and a day of arms. How can I go about making some progress for the next few weeks on my own?
If any of you guys train alone, how do you do it??
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So I've ordered my shirt, I got my workouts pretty set, and I am pretty much ready to start training for the bench meet...except that I am training alone for the next 3-4 weeks. My husband usually trains with me and spots me, etc. but he's tied up with some stuff and won't be back in the gym till mid-October. I train at a gym that is pretty empty most of the time, so it's hard for me to find a spotter, and even when I do, it's not usually someone who I can trust knows what they are doing.
I am kind of in-limbo for a few weeks and am not sure what I should do about my training in the mean time.
Should I just stick with the BB workouts? That's essentially a five day split, including a day of shoulders and a day of arms. How can I go about making some progress for the next few weeks on my own?
If any of you guys train alone, how do you do it??
I train alone quite a bit---my wife is the emergency surgeon at her job, so its not uncommon for us to start a workout, but she'll have to leave because she gets called into work. This will leave me benching/squatting serious weight from time to time without a spotter.
My advice is to learn to use a powerrack. The rack is your very good friend if you are by yourself. If your gym will let you, set up a set of spotter chains too. Not only that, if you are worried about squats, learn to "dump" the bar. It'll save you one day.
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I train alone quite a bit---my wife is the emergency surgeon at her job, so its not uncommon for us to start a workout, but she'll have to leave because she gets called into work. This will leave me benching/squatting serious weight from time to time without a spotter.
My advice is to learn to use a powerrack. The rack is your very good friend if you are by yourself. If your gym will let you, set up a set of spotter chains too. Not only that, if you are worried about squats, learn to "dump" the bar. It'll save you one day.
haha I've dumped the bar twice and gotten stuck under the Smith Machine twice. One time with the bar and both times on the Smith have been when I am out of town, at a random gym where I don't know anyone. It's kind of embarassing when some guy has to run over and rescue me. :-[ ;D
I'm not gonna use the Smith machine, I don't think I like it anymore. It's been bothering my shoulder.
We've got one power rack, I've never set up a bench in it, but I'll give it a try.
It's just hard to figure out how to really get these workouts done without a spotter, esp for negatives, etc. I just don't want to lose the next month floundering around, not really doing much of anything but going through the motions.
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A good spotter and/or training partner is worth it's weight in gold.
My confidence goes out the window if i have to bench heavy alone, i've dumped the bar on my chest before and it is always in the back of my mind. if i have to train alone i go much lighter and focus on speed and explosive power.
Doing shirt work is impossible without a good spotter.
i'd stick with your powerlifting program but go light enough to where you can feel comfortable with the weight. you still have a while before your meet.
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A good spotter and/or training partner is worth it's weight in gold.
My confidence goes out the window if i have to bench heavy alone, i've dumped the bar on my chest before and it is always in the back of my mind. if i have to train alone i go much lighter and focus on speed and explosive power.
Doing shirt work is impossible without a good spotter.
i'd stick with your powerlifting program but go light enough to where you can feel comfortable with the weight. you still have a while before your meet.
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For me its the exact opposite---My wife is literally less than half my size.... so even with her spotting me despite the fact that she's strong as hell there is a time where my weights push over her limits. She's also wonderful for reminding me that she MIGHT not be able to get the weight off if I miss it. needless to say I know my limits, know what I can and cant handle with control and believe it or not, i"ve never been seriously injured training by myself or with a lightweight training partner. The adrenalin rush from the knowledge that she might not pull it off me helps quite a bit. ;)
The worst for me was the one time I got pinned under a 4 board with 600+ on the bar---she pulled the plates off while I held the bar. I figure its good for static strength ;). I did tweak my shoulder that time, but it wasn't serious. The thing you have to remember is any powerlifter in reasonable condition isn't going to die instantly if they get pinned. They can continue to breath while a weaker assistant pulls the weight off or they wiggle out from under the rack or chain that's caught the weight.
having a spotter to help wtih the liftoff definately helps with shirt work. But if worse comes to worse, you can get by without it.
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I feel you, definitely. The stiff benchpress shirts have changed a lot.
Fortunately, we got plenty of ER racks with safety bars in our gym, which in many cases have saved lives or prevented very serious injuries.
This stuff usually happens when you get to 400+ benchpresses. The spotters just don't have the time to react.
Thankfully for ripitup, she won't be lifting that kind of weight. Not yet anyway. ;)
If she got a good spotter, she will be fine.
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Hi Guys,
So here's the update....
I sucked it up and decided to move forward with the workouts sans training partner.
-I did the two heavy workouts last Thursday and this past Monday. For workout #1, I used 145 pounds as my heavy weight and 185 for the negatives (I'll increase that next time, but this was my first time doing real negs).
The negatives burned the SHIT out of my front shoulders and triceps. I quickly discovered that incline DB presses are NOT necessary during this workout, so I will be switching that up next time. I was SOOOOOOO sore for like 4 days, still kinda sore Monday when I did workout #2 (too sore to do it on Sunday lol). Seriously, I was like WTF. :o
-Yesterday, I did my first light workout (125 pounds) which felt easy. I did some side and rear delt DB work too. I'll do light workout #2 on Monday. I haven't put the board presses into workout #2 yet, I've just been doing straight bench press, bc I haven't gotten the boards yet and I really don't want to do these by myself.
-I have been practicing the arch, wide grip, etc. My back was super sore from arching (first time for that too) during my first heavy workout, and I completely tweeked it in between the shoulder blades. I haven't had time to get to the chiro yet, so it still hurts but it's not terrible.
-My bench shirt arrived! It's small!
We made attempt #1 to put the shirt on me over last weekend, but we were not successful. :D
Hedge sent me a whole bunch of pointers on how to get it on, so we'll try again.
I'm outta town for the rest of the weekend but I'll give light workout #2 a go along with the shirt on Monday.
Thank you all for your help.
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OK GUYS, I ALMOST got the shirt on...and really, all I can say is YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. This cannot be right. This shirt HAS to be too small for me.
The seams at the ends of the arms are ridiculous. They are SO tight, it was incredibly painful to get it on my arms (thanks for the tips Hedge, they did work lol), and I barely got it over my elbows. My right arm is considerably bigger than my left and was much harder. My right arm turned purple and lost feeling after about 10 minutes. My right arm even started to get a little cold. WHY do the seams at the end of the arms have to be that tight? >:(
Should I be losing feeling in my arms? WTF?!?!
Getting it over my head and shoulders and down my back was relatively easy compared to the arms. We did not get it on 100% though...I don't think we completely set the neck. But there is this seam or fold or something that cuts across my upper pec and is SO painful when I try to spread my arms apart or make a pressing movement. It's hard to believe that even pressing in this shirt will be possible.
I am posting a few pictures of the shirt on me because I find it really hard to believe that this shirt is going to fit me and that I am going to be able to press in it.
Seriously....Is this shirt the right size for me? Can you see how it's cutting into my arms? HOW do I get it up my arms a little more and get the neck set??
I'm willing to make a few more attempts to get it all the way on me, but seriously...wtf?!
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I had seam marks on the backs of my arms and war wounds all over when i took it off. :o
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They are not meant for little women, they are made for men. Why are you using a shirt anyway?
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They are not meant for little women, they are made for men. Why are you using a shirt anyway?
I want to see what I can do with a shirt, never tried one before. 8)
And if they are "made for men," then it should fit easier on a little woman. ::)
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I want to see what I can do with a shirt, never tried one before. 8)
And if they are "made for men," then it should fit easier on a little woman. ::)
I meant that men wouldn't cry about a little pain ;) Seriously though, don't cheat yourself, see what you can do shirtless. I have read that shirts can add over 200 pounds :o, so you would be pushing 25 pounds. Does that makes sense?
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I meant that men wouldn't cry about a little pain ;) Seriously though, don't cheat yourself, see what you can do shirtless. I have read that shirts can add over 200 pounds :o, so you would be pushing 25 pounds. Does that makes sense?
No, not really...If the shirt can add over 200 pounds (I don't think so), then I would be pushing around 400 pounds. 8)
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No, not really...If the shirt can add over 200 pounds (I don't think so), then I would be pushing around 400 pounds. 8)
You know what I mean. If you really wanted to test yourself, you would try to get stronger, not try to get more sophisticated lifting devices.
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Looks about right but it could be one size too small.
keep your hands out in front of you to help prevent the loss of circulation. that's why you see guys with their arms resting on someones shoulders when they are waiting for their turn to lift.
i'm usually bleeding after i take my tight competition shirt off.
Just wait until you try to touch in the shirt! talk about pressure.
i'd suggest trying a shirt one size larger.
are you using the slippers or a plastic bag to put it on? the slippers make a BIG difference.
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No, not really...If the shirt can add over 200 pounds (I don't think so), then I would be pushing around 400 pounds. 8)
Some guys get more than 200 out of a single ply. lots of practice.
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Some guys get more than 200 out of a single ply. lots of practice.
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Than why use one to try 225? I am confused here. I hate shirts myself, I think it distorts the records, but that is neither here nor there. Why use a shirt to push 225?
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Than why use one to try 225? I am confused here. I hate shirts myself, I think it distorts the records, but that is neither here nor there. Why use a shirt to push 225?
that is why there are RAW records and equipped records. some feds are single ply only, some allow canvas and multi ply,
it's all relative.
think of it as a percentage.
if i bench 480 raw and 590 with a shirt, what percentage improvement do i get?
if she benches 155 raw and 225 with a shirt, what percentage?
if Tiny meeker benches 630 raw and 946 with a shirt, what percentage?
get my drift? don't just look at the numbers but the relative improvement.
i have seen guys who bench 500+ raw only hit high 500 in a shirt. i've seen kids who bench 185 raw bench almost 300 in a shirt.
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I had seam marks on the backs of my arms and war wounds all over when i took it off. :o
Looks like a perfect fit considering it's a brand new shirt.
Good to see, I was almost starting to believe you about it being too small. 8)
You actually did a fairly good job of getting it up on the shoulders, the only thing you need to remember, is to hang down on the shirt in the front and on the sides, so the crinkle over the chest goes away.
Then secure the shirt around the waist with a belt.
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that is why there are RAW records and equipped records. some feds are single ply only, some allow canvas and multi ply,
it's all relative.
think of it as a percentage.
if i bench 480 raw and 590 with a shirt, what percentage improvement do i get?
if she benches 155 raw and 225 with a shirt, what percentage?
if Tiny meeker benches 630 raw and 946 with a shirt, what percentage?
get my drift? don't just look at the numbers but the relative improvement.
i have seen guys who bench 500+ raw only hit high 500 in a shirt. i've seen kids who bench 185 raw bench almost 300 in a shirt.
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Yeah, I get it. I just don't see the point in using them. She is going for a personal record, not a world record. I would rather go shirtless myself and see how much progress I really made in one years time.
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OK GUYS, I ALMOST got the shirt on...and really, all I can say is YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. This cannot be right. This shirt HAS to be too small for me.
The seams at the ends of the arms are ridiculous. They are SO tight, it was incredibly painful to get it on my arms (thanks for the tips Hedge, they did work lol), and I barely got it over my elbows. My right arm is considerably bigger than my left and was much harder. My right arm turned purple and lost feeling after about 10 minutes. My right arm even started to get a little cold. WHY do the seams at the end of the arms have to be that tight? >:(
Should I be losing feeling in my arms? WTF?!?!
Getting it over my head and shoulders and down my back was relatively easy compared to the arms. We did not get it on 100% though...I don't think we completely set the neck. But there is this seam or fold or something that cuts across my upper pec and is SO painful when I try to spread my arms apart or make a pressing movement. It's hard to believe that even pressing in this shirt will be possible.
I am posting a few pictures of the shirt on me because I find it really hard to believe that this shirt is going to fit me and that I am going to be able to press in it.
Seriously....Is this shirt the right size for me? Can you see how it's cutting into my arms? HOW do I get it up my arms a little more and get the neck set??
I'm willing to make a few more attempts to get it all the way on me, but seriously...wtf?!
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that's why people walk to the bench with their arms out in front of them like mummies at meets, the shirt is supposed to be that tight.
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Than why use one to try 225? I am confused here. I hate shirts myself, I think it distorts the records, but that is neither here nor there. Why use a shirt to push 225?
it's all relative Danny, a 225 bench might not be much for a lot of guys but for her it's a good amount due to her bodyweight, i applaud her efforts for trying, let's see how it goes, she's certainly not the only woman to bench in a shirt, i feel sorry for the cute little thing with all those marks on her arms, i'd love to massage them out. :D
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it's all relative Danny, a 225 bench might not be much for a lot of guys but for her it's a good amount due to her bodyweight, i applaud her efforts for trying, let's see how it goes, she's certainly not the only woman to bench in a shirt, i feel sorry for the cute little thing with all those marks on her arms, i'd love to massage them out. :D
Yes, but if she got 195 unshirted, it would be more impressive than 225 shirted imo.
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Yes, but if she got 195 unshirted, it would be more impressive than 225 shirted imo.
i agree, i also think she could get 225 in a year and a half or so without the shirt which is VERY IMPRESSIVE for a woman done Raw, how many women do you ever see benching 225 Raw in the gym?
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i agree, i also think she could get 225 in a year and a half or so without the shirt which is VERY IMPRESSIVE for a woman done Raw, how many women do you ever see benching 225 Raw in the gym?
None, I heard Chynna did 315 a few years back, but now that I am reading about shirts and whatnot I am not all that impressed.
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None, I heard Chynna did 315 a few years back, but now that I am reading about shirts and whatnot I am not all that impressed.
yeah i heard that too but i don't know, i did see a clip on WWE or somewhere else of her doing a few reps with a pair of 100's on the flat bench.
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Yes, but if she got 195 unshirted, it would be more impressive than 225 shirted imo.
Another weird aspect of this whole benchshirt thing is that her raw bench won't become as good due to her having to train more specific for benchpress with a shirt.
Granted, she will make great progress with and without shirt, but if you only are going to benchpress RAW, then you won't have the same focus on getting strong in the upper part of the lift, eg using boards, chains, rubber bands et al.
It's simple really. You become good at what you train.
Those who make the transition from either raw only to shirt or vice versa, usually needs at least 5-6 months to get up to speed.
rip looks to have good or very good biomechanics for benchpress - short limbs with good triceps strength. could do really well if she's got the heart for it.
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None, I heard Chynna did 315 a few years back, but now that I am reading about shirts and whatnot I am not all that impressed.
Chyna did 315 raw actually... I saw her and HHH years ago in a Gym in Richmond, Va. (Powerhouse Gym... It's closed now.)
She did what HHH did... up to 315. She did it like once... HHH did it a few more times. No bench shirt.
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Thank you guys for your input!
I suppose I'm willing to work with it and see what happens, but I sure would like to convince Hedge that I need one size up... :D
I really don't understand why the arms have to be so painfully small.
I should clarify that this isn't specifically about me benching 225, that's just a target, and who knows what will happen. I'm fairly certain that my raw bench will get better too.
The bottom line with the shirt is that it's a new challenge for me, it's something different. I've been training forever, I have been benching for years, and I have never used one. This kind of training is completely foreign to me, and I like mixing things up since I spend so much damn time in the gym. I've never even really known how to bench properly, so this is a good learning experience for me all the way around.
Not to mention that all of the bench meets in my area allow shirts, and everyone wears them. If I am competing in shirted meets, then I should wear a fkn shirt, why not? I'll be competing against other women wearing shirts, most of whom are bigger than me, and I am pretty sure I will do OK. Last year, I competed raw, and I did OK. This year, it's gonna be good. 8)
OVERLOAD...yes, I did use grocery bags on my arms. Good thing too or else I would never have gotten it on!!
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Yeah, I get it. I just don't see the point in using them. She is going for a personal record, not a world record. I would rather go shirtless myself and see how much progress I really made in one years time.
To each their own my friend.
As hedge mention your RAW bench will usually improve when you add shirt presses. i know it did for me due do the added weight being used for lockouts.
Plus there are very few RAW competitions these days. i had to drive halfway across the country to compete in my last RAW meet.
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I had seam marks on the backs of my arms and war wounds all over when i took it off. :o
I just re-examined this pic, and I have to say, it looks to be great fit. Definitely not too small.
And great news about it being really tight around the arms from the start, perhaps you won't have to custom fit it yourself later on.
As Overload mentioned, keep the hands up resting on the barbell or somewhere shoulder high when not lifting.
The shirt will get slightly bigger over time too. Good choice!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=166468.0;attach=200077;image)
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I just re-examined this pic, and I have to say, it looks to be great fit. Definitely not too small.
And great news about it being really tight around the arms from the start, perhaps you won't have to custom fit it yourself later on.
As Overload mentioned, keep the hands up resting on the barbell or somewhere shoulder high when not lifting.
The shirt will get slightly bigger over time too. Good choice!
I was afraid you were gonna say that lol. :-\
OK, I am willing to stick with this shirt and see if I can make it work. It seems like if I can suck it up and stretch it out, I will ultimately be happier with the tighter fit. You'll prolly hear me bitching a few more times until then though. ;D
I'm gonna try it on again this week and try to get the sleeves UP my arm a little more (OUCH) and try to get that crinkle out of my chest. That crinkle cannot be there if I am going to attempt to press any weight at all, it will kill me.
Overload sent me a link to buy the slippers, they look pretty cool. I think I am gonna have to get me a set of those.
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I was afraid you were gonna say that lol. :-\
OK, I am willing to stick with this shirt and see if I can make it work. It seems like if I can suck it up and stretch it out, I will ultimately be happier with the tighter fit. You'll prolly hear me bitching a few more times until then though. ;D
I'm gonna try it on again this week and try to get the sleeves UP my arm a little more (OUCH) and try to get that crinkle out of my chest. That crinkle cannot be there if I am going to attempt to press any weight at all, it will kill me.
Overload sent me a link to buy the slippers, they look pretty cool. I think I am gonna have to get me a set of those.
Have you tried wetting the arms? If you use some warm water and wet the seam of the arm, then stretch it, it will relax a bit the first few times you use the shirt. That bit of a give can be a night and day difference. If they are still painfully tight, wet them and use a football (for a woman, use a childs football) to slightly stretch the holes. As the fabric dries, it will return to almost its original shape, so you may have to do this a couple of times. You don't want to compramise the locking of the arm hole so the sleeves slip, you'll loose some of the benifits of the shirt if you do that.
Also remember to wet the collar/chest panel if you are having a hard time touching. This will relax the fibers of the panel just enough you can touch without compromising the effects of the shirt. For what ever reason, warm water seems to work the best to me.
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Have you tried wetting the arms? If you use some warm water and wet the seam of the arm, then stretch it, it will relax a bit the first few times you use the shirt. That bit of a give can be a night and day difference. If they are still painfully tight, wet them and use a football (for a woman, use a childs football) to slightly stretch the holes. As the fabric dries, it will return to almost its original shape, so you may have to do this a couple of times. You don't want to compramise the locking of the arm hole so the sleeves slip, you'll loose some of the benifits of the shirt if you do that.
Also remember to wet the collar/chest panel if you are having a hard time touching. This will relax the fibers of the panel just enough you can touch without compromising the effects of the shirt. For what ever reason, warm water seems to work the best to me.
Hedge suggested wetting it across the collar and chest panel to stretch it for pressing, so I will do that, and I will DEFINITELY wet the sleeves next time I put it on. The sleeves are BY FAR the worst part. The pics crack me up because I look like I have monster 8 inch arms. :D
I was going to ask if there is some sort of stretching device I could use for the sleeves. I'll get a kids football and give it a try. I am fairly certain that the sleeves will not loosen to the extent of compromising the benefits of the shirt.
Thanks. :)
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Hedge suggested wetting it across the collar and chest panel to stretch it for pressing, so I will do that, and I will DEFINITELY wet the sleeves next time I put it on. The sleeves are BY FAR the worst part. The pics crack me up because I look like I have monster 8 inch arms. :D
I was going to ask if there is some sort of stretching device I could use for the sleeves. I'll get a kids football and give it a try. I am fairly certain that the sleeves will not loosen to the extent of compromising the benefits of the shirt.
Thanks. :)
if you 've got access to an air compressor, let the air out of the football, put the football in the sleeve, wedging it on the desired cross stitch size, then inflate the football with the air compressor. Its way easier than stretchign it over the football by hand and it won't alter the shape of the arm.
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if you 've got access to an air compressor, let the air out of the football, put the football in the sleeve, wedging it on the desired cross stitch size, then inflate the football with the air compressor. Its way easier than stretchign it over the football by hand and it won't alter the shape of the arm.
Now you're talkin'....as you may be able to tell from the pics, we have a pretty extensive garage/workshop that does include a large air compressor. Thanks for the idea. 8)
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I just use water around the neck area. you won't be trying to touch in the shirt for a while so it will loosen up with all the board presses over time. the tight arms and chest area is what gives you the benefit of wearing the shirt, you want it very tight.
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I just use water around the neck area. you won't be trying to touch in the shirt for a while so it will loosen up with all the board presses over time. the tight arms and chest area is what gives you the benefit of wearing the shirt, you want it very tight.
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Yeah, I am gonna try to stretch the seams on the arms a BIT, dry first.
If I can get it all the way on and get that crinkle out of the chest, I am confident that the chest and shoulders will stretch as much as I need them to just from practicing with the shirt.
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I am still struggling with the shirt...I think I managed to get it on all the way this time, although the arms are still RIDICULOUSLY TIGHT. I have not stretched it yet b/c I don't have a football yet, and I got it on without wetting anything.
I am still thinking it's small for me. We managed to get the crinkle out of my chest, although it came back when I moved my arms around a bit. My hands were total pins and needles after a few minutes.
I tried to lay on a cooler and hold a broom to see what benching might feel like in the shirt. My husband put A LITTLE pressure on the broom, just to try to get the bar down to my chest a little, and the pressure and pain was pretty intense across my chest and under my arms. The pics below illustrate about how far down I could get the bar with the shirt on. :-\
How in the world am I going to get the bar to touch?! It hurts!! I can't imagine what it's going to feel like with weight on it. At this point, I can hardly handle having the shirt ON for more than 5 mins...how am I gonna bench?
I was thinking maybe of keeping this shirt and getting one size bigger for starters? And then working my way into this shirt, maybe after a couple months? Am I just being a noob and/or not giving it enough of a chance?
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love the sandals. ;)
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I am still struggling with the shirt...I think I managed to get it on all the way this time, although the arms are still RIDICULOUSLY TIGHT. I have not stretched it yet b/c I don't have a football yet, and I got it on without wetting anything.
I am still thinking it's small for me. We managed to get the crinkle out of my chest, although it came back when I moved my arms around a bit. My hands were total pins and needles after a few minutes.
I tried to lay on a cooler and hold a broom to see what benching might feel like in the shirt. My husband put A LITTLE pressure on the broom, just to try to get the bar down to my chest a little, and the pressure and pain was pretty intense across my chest and under my arms. The pics below illustrate about how far down I could get the bar with the shirt on. :-\
How in the world am I going to get the bar to touch?! It hurts!! I can't imagine what it's going to feel like with weight on it. At this point, I can hardly handle having the shirt ON for more than 5 mins...how am I gonna bench?
I was thinking maybe of keeping this shirt and getting one size bigger for starters? And then working my way into this shirt, maybe after a couple months? Am I just being a noob and/or not giving it enough of a chance?
One thing I've learned with bench shirts is you have to be able to withstand the shirt. If you have one on that is so uncomfortable that you cannot focus to lift the weight, you are going to compromise your total at the end (its like a ball pinching squat suit---you go down, the boys get pinched, you AREN't squatting that weight, its that simple). You need to get used to this shirt---looking at you in it, it doesn't appear to be too tight for a competition shirt. The thing is you are not used to wearing a shirt at all and your posts sound quite a bit like what my wives rants have been the last month as I'm trying to get her used to benching with her shirt (she's using a single layer Rage, not an F6)---and the grumbling has gotten really bad because her next contest is a RAW bench contest, not a shirted one.
If you can afford it, it won't hurt to get one size bigger so that you can get used to the tightness of the shirt. The thing is you still need to work with this shirt to break it in an keep with the specific groove of the shirt for your competition. You are going to make a mistake if you think you can work with a different shirt and then throw this one one a week or two before the competition and potentially not be able to touch. I really think you need to be comfortable (or in tight gear as comfortable as you can be) with your opening weight so you don't bomb out.
I also wouldn't wear that belt with a bench shirt. The back is WAY TOO WIDE in my opinion. Its going to interfere with your arch and hurt your max in the long run. You want a belt half that width at the most.
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One thing I've learned with bench shirts is you have to be able to withstand the shirt. If you have one on that is so uncomfortable that you cannot focus to lift the weight, you are going to compromise your total at the end (its like a ball pinching squat suit---you go down, the boys get pinched, you AREN't squatting that weight, its that simple). You need to get used to this shirt---looking at you in it, it doesn't appear to be too tight for a competition shirt. The thing is you are not used to wearing a shirt at all and your posts sound quite a bit like what my wives rants have been the last month as I'm trying to get her used to benching with her shirt (she's using a single layer Rage, not an F6)---and the grumbling has gotten really bad because her next contest is a RAW bench contest, not a shirted one.
If you can afford it, it won't hurt to get one size bigger so that you can get used to the tightness of the shirt. The thing is you still need to work with this shirt to break it in an keep with the specific groove of the shirt for your competition. You are going to make a mistake if you think you can work with a different shirt and then throw this one one a week or two before the competition and potentially not be able to touch. I really think you need to be comfortable (or in tight gear as comfortable as you can be) with your opening weight so you don't bomb out.
I also wouldn't wear that belt with a bench shirt. The back is WAY TOO WIDE in my opinion. Its going to interfere with your arch and hurt your max in the long run. You want a belt half that width at the most.
I agree on the belt thing.
There are actually special benchpress belts that are more narrow in the back. Those are optimal.
BTW, that shirt looks like it will be perfect come contest time in Feb.
Use the benchpress shirt on the #2 workout with the board presses, and use a 3 board (maybe even a 4 board the first couple of sets the first workout).
There is a tremendous difference whether you've got the sleeves far enough up on your shoulders or not. Also remember to pull the shirt down hard on the sides, but not so much in the front, just make the shirt "sit" good.
Looking at the lifting pics, it further convinces me that you got a very good fit, a shirt you should be able to get a 240-250 lift. But you need to slowly work that shirt in, and it will take time to get the bar down. You'll need patience.
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OK so maybe it's a "girl thing." ;)
I MIGHT be able to get used to this shirt....I'm sort of being a noob, and I am being impatient.
Thanks for the advice on the belt...that's my hubby's lifting belt. I've never worn one of those either, so I am clueless on what kind works for benching. I'll look around.
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That's look'n a lot better.
Vets 100% right on about the belt, no arch.
And the sandals didn't escape Squads sharp eye, ditch 'em immediately, and get used to wearin
sumfin that'll DELIVER leg drive. (Right thru yur TIGHT belted abs,,,lats,,, and finally thru the arms)
As long as yur but dont leave the bench, use all the muscles ya got.
And leg drive will tack on a bunch of plate to a PL style bench press once you get it down.
Warning - Your delts, Tris, and lats are going to grow some.
Put some Chain on bar ends & Boards on chest. ;)
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Oly Weightlifting shoes, gives you legal heel height, and also are flat.
And got good grip and hard, solid soles.
There are a couple of brands out there. Of course Adidas, but the chinese brand (the name escapes me right now) is just as good (the Chinese National Team uses it and they're world class).
Adidas is the most expensive.
But whatever you do, don't get some powerlifting brand, like Inzer (a friend's got a pair of those, and they're useless for any kind of powerlifting).
Chuck Taylor's aren't optimal either, since they don't have a heel, plus that they're very soft.
Some US powerlifters choose to lift in them anyways, my guess it's because Chuck Taylor's have become part of the PL culture, not because they're good to lift in.
JMO though, others may be of different opinion.
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Oly Weightlifting shoes, gives you legal heel height, and also are flat.
And got good grip and hard, solid soles.
There are a couple of brands out there. Of course Adidas, but the chinese brand (the name escapes me right now) is just as good (the Chinese National Team uses it and they're world class).
Adidas is the most expensive.
But whatever you do, don't get some powerlifting brand, like Inzer (a friend's got a pair of those, and they're useless for any kind of powerlifting).
Chuck Taylor's aren't optimal either, since they don't have a heel, plus that they're very soft.
Some US powerlifters choose to lift in them anyways, my guess it's because Chuck Taylor's have become part of the PL culture, not because they're good to lift in.
JMO though, others may be of different opinion.
So If I ever wanted to do a comp, I cant wear my work boots?
Im so use to them, I feel naked w/ out them. And they work fine for bench.
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So If I ever wanted to do a comp, I cant wear my work boots?
Im so use to them, I feel naked w/ out them. And they work fine for bench.
Don't know what kind of working boots you have. 8)
Seriously speaking though, getting of topic slightly, military boots eg are really bad squat shoes.
Because they have a rolling sole, ie they're custom mold to help you stride forward.
This is just my opinion, and I respect anyone who's of another opinion. And if anyone prefers camo boots, I think they should lift in those.
Or in your case, work boots.
The knock on Oly Weightlifting shoes usually is in the squat, and the critisism is aimed at how the heels keep you leaned forward, makes you lean forward during the lift.
I don't experience this.
The best alternative IMO if you want flat shoes, no heels, is wrestling shoes.
Edit: for benchpress, a slight heel helps you drive the feet into the ground more evenly IMO. But that would be the only real advantage. Having shoes that your comfy with probably outweighs anything then.
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Yes I agree, I cant even begin to try squats w/ any heel on a shoe, but bench dont bother me at all.
In fact I like the feel of my heavy safety toe boots when I bench.
Im just so used to wearing them.
Rip has a lot of BBing habits to break to get a max lift.
All that making a light weight feel heavy BBing BIz needs a little tuning.
Every little advantage adds up. Leg drive is crucial. So is foot wear.
I dont mind BBing in sandles (if no idiots are around dropping stuff) but getting serious w/ a load of plates is different.
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I do have a lot of BB Habits to break... :-\
But as for the sandals, I was just trying the shirt on in the garage, and I didn't want to get my sneaks covered in baby powder. I was wearing a pair of Skechers flip flops. 8)
But I don't actually train in them.
As of now, I was planning on just wearing my regular workout sneakers for benching...although I thought the Chuck Taylor's would have been cool lol. Is it really worth it to consider a special pair of shoes?
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I can make legs sore benching, and get cramps in my archs now and then ;)
I think any solid shoe you are comfortable in and is legal will do.
Squats or leg press machines are another matter all together. I dont like boots there.
"Break" is not the best word I guess.
Being able to do them another way of several is a better way to put it.
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I am enjoying the different training program, it's nice to do something new, but it's definitely way different and I have a lot to learn yet.
One thing I am having trouble with is training LESS, even though the training is harder.
I think I will start posting my chest workouts in this thread so that I can keep track of my numbers...I've made it through three weeks and I am back on a heavy week this week.
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Singles, Doubles and Tripples off boards w/ chain is my Fav.
It develops explosive power. Makes it so you can throw some heavy stuff around.
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Oly Weightlifting shoes, gives you legal heel height, and also are flat.
And got good grip and hard, solid soles.
There are a couple of brands out there. Of course Adidas, but the chinese brand (the name escapes me right now) is just as good (the Chinese National Team uses it and they're world class).
Adidas is the most expensive.
But whatever you do, don't get some powerlifting brand, like Inzer (a friend's got a pair of those, and they're useless for any kind of powerlifting).
Chuck Taylor's aren't optimal either, since they don't have a heel, plus that they're very soft.
Some US powerlifters choose to lift in them anyways, my guess it's because Chuck Taylor's have become part of the PL culture, not because they're good to lift in.
JMO though, others may be of different opinion.
I'll disagree with you on the chucks. Their use in the US all comes from Westside Barbell and "pushing out on the side of the foot" while "pushing the knees out" as you sit back during a box squat or ME squat. If you look at the boxes of reebock or nike or adidas or whatever other type of "athletic" shoe you are used to wearing, almost all of them have some degree of internal rotation designed within the shoe. I used to think it was bullshit, so I began reading shoe boxes and experimenting around with different shoes---I have to say I am stronger and feel more stable in a flat soled shoe like chucks using that squatting style, and chucks have the added benefit of being "hightops" so you won't walk out of your shoes when stepping out with a really heavy weight. The final thing is chucks don't have those stupid air bladders in the heels that almost all types of running/tennis shoes have now days. I don't know if youve ever popped one of thse damned things with 585 on your shoulders, but if you have you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. You instantly destabilize.
I personally HATE squating in work boots. I think you have too limited flexibility through the foot with them and the raised heels tends to increase pressure on my patellar tendons and knee (neither of my knees are the best anymore). One of the worst squatting injuries i"ve ever seen was from a person squatting in work boots without the shoes tied tightly. The guy ended up wtih a broken tibia as a result of stepping on the shoe lace and falling flat on his ass.
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I do have a lot of BB Habits to break... :-\
But as for the sandals, I was just trying the shirt on in the garage, and I didn't want to get my sneaks covered in baby powder. I was wearing a pair of Skechers flip flops. 8)
But I don't actually train in them.
As of now, I was planning on just wearing my regular workout sneakers for benching...although I thought the Chuck Taylor's would have been cool lol. Is it really worth it to consider a special pair of shoes?
Not for the contest you are entering. I really don't think it'll make any bit of a difference. Get your shirt right and your belt right first. Worry about the shoes only if you've got money to burn. What you want is a shoe with good toe traction and ankle flexibility---so if possible check out where the contest is so you can get an idea of new vs old vs flat soled shoes. Carpeting has different traction than linoleum vs wood vs concrete. Remember that. Wear a shoe that is going to maximize your traction. ALSO find out if they are allowing Stickum or any shit like that. That can make or break you if its a small contest and you've got a slick floor to deal with.
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Not for the contest you are entering. I really don't think it'll make any bit of a difference. Get your shirt right and your belt right first. Worry about the shoes only if you've got money to burn. What you want is a shoe with good toe traction and ankle flexibility---so if possible check out where the contest is so you can get an idea of new vs old vs flat soled shoes. Carpeting has different traction than linoleum vs wood vs concrete. Remember that. Wear a shoe that is going to maximize your traction. ALSO find out if they are allowing Stickum or any shit like that. That can make or break you if its a small contest and you've got a slick floor to deal with.
Thanks. I am fairly certain that I will be using wooden blocks under my feet. Right now I am using Reebok Steps (4 inches), and they are working quite well! We're gonna put together some wooden blocks, not sure yet about exactly how to construct them though, to maximize traction and minimize slipping.
The bench meet will most likely be in a hotel with carpet.
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Thanks. I am fairly certain that I will be using wooden blocks under my feet. Right now I am using Reebok Steps (4 inches), and they are working quite well! We're gonna put together some wooden blocks, not sure yet about exactly how to construct them though, to maximize traction and minimize slipping.
The bench meet will most likely be in a hotel with carpet.
Talk with your contest promotor to make sure if you build your own blocks they fit within the rules of the contest. Honestly, for the contests I can think of where blocks were used by competitors that I've been to, I'm fairly certian the promoters provided the blocks.
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Lots of good info in here.
i only scanned through the posts but i wanted to make a few comments.
Chuck taylors are perfect powerlifting shoes for someone at your level, i use them for bench and deadlift(maybe it's my westside influence). i use the inzer power shoes for squats and olympic lifts. shoes won't help much in the bench press but use whatever you feel comfortable with.
the shirt looks perfect. you "shouldn't" be able to touch the bar to your chest with anything less than 50 pounds over your RAW max. start with 3 boards to help stretch the shirt, i personally would never stretch a shirt any other way than using it. you shouldnt be worried about touching in the shirt for months. it's going to hurt but you will like it after a while.
you can use a normal belt for jeans if you want, no need to spend the cash on a special shirt belt. i have one but it really doesn't help any more than a regular clothing belt.
if you feel really uncomfortable in the shirt, try one size larger and work your way into the tighter shirt. no need to rush through all this. when i started i used a loose shirt just to learn the groove and slowly moved into smaller shirts. the smaller/tighter the shirt, the more weight you can use but it's also more difficult to control and you could dump the bar alot. i'd rather see you move into it slowly with confidence.
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Lots of good info in here.
i only scanned through the posts but i wanted to make a few comments.
Chuck taylors are perfect powerlifting shoes for someone at your level, i use them for bench and deadlift(maybe it's my westside influence). i use the inzer power shoes for squats and olympic lifts. shoes won't help much in the bench press but use whatever you feel comfortable with.
the shirt looks perfect. you "shouldn't" be able to touch the bar to your chest with anything less than 50 pounds over your RAW max. start with 3 boards to help stretch the shirt, i personally would never stretch a shirt any other way than using it. you shouldnt be worried about touching in the shirt for months. it's going to hurt but you will like it after a while.
you can use a normal belt for jeans if you want, no need to spend the cash on a special shirt belt. i have one but it really doesn't help any more than a regular clothing belt.
if you feel really uncomfortable in the shirt, try one size larger and work your way into the tighter shirt. no need to rush through all this. when i started i used a loose shirt just to learn the groove and slowly moved into smaller shirts. the smaller/tighter the shirt, the more weight you can use but it's also more difficult to control and you could dump the bar alot. i'd rather see you move into it slowly with confidence.
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Definitely A LOT of good information, so thanks to everyone. I have a few friends who do PL, but none are geographically close enough to me to help, and none in my gym...this is all pretty much new to me (hence the bitching about the shirt ;D).
This board is my primary source of info and feedback at this point, so I appreciate it very much!
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Definitely A LOT of good information, so thanks to everyone. I have a few friends who do PL, but none are geographically close enough to me to help, and none in my gym...this is all pretty much new to me (hence the bitching about the shirt ;D).
This board is my primary source of info and feedback at this point, so I appreciate it very much!
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No problem.
I've trained at 2 very good powerlifting gyms in the last 7 years so i learned from national level powerlifters. the MOST important thing is to take your time and be confident in your lifting. NEVER think negative, your mind is more powerful than your muscles. every time i had negative thoughts before a big bench attempt i bombed out. always believe you CAN do it with ease! stay focused on your goal and never give up, no matter what happens.
My first 2 WABDL meets i bombed all 3 bench attempts due to being nervous. i came back a year later after tons of practice and nailed a PR in the bench and deadlift.
Good luck.
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Rip, have you seen the up on toes style w/ a giant arch?
If blocks are needed, perhaps that style would help eliminate the need.
Maybe someone here can describe it, and you can experiment w/ it.
I cant even get into it.
This is fun, in time you'll press 2 wheels each side in a T-shirt if you keep at it.
Really make all the Gym dorks look. ;)
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Rip, have you seen the up on toes style w/ a giant arch?
If blocks are needed, perhaps that style would help eliminate the need.
Maybe someone here can describe it, and you can experiment w/ it.
I cant even get into it.
This is fun, in time you'll press 2 wheels each side in a T-shirt if you keep at it.
Really make all the Gym dorks look. ;)
I actually used to bench on my toes all the time, never knew any other way...I talked to Hedge about it, and I decided to work on benching flat-footed so that I can compete in whatever federation I want to in the future. Might as well get used to it now.
This IS definitely gonna be fun. I figured out a way to stretch the arms just a bit on the bench shirt tonight. ;D
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I'll disagree with you on the chucks. Their use in the US all comes from Westside Barbell and "pushing out on the side of the foot" while "pushing the knees out" as you sit back during a box squat or ME squat. If you look at the boxes of reebock or nike or adidas or whatever other type of "athletic" shoe you are used to wearing, almost all of them have some degree of internal rotation designed within the shoe. I used to think it was bullshit, so I began reading shoe boxes and experimenting around with different shoes---I have to say I am stronger and feel more stable in a flat soled shoe like chucks using that squatting style, and chucks have the added benefit of being "hightops" so you won't walk out of your shoes when stepping out with a really heavy weight. The final thing is chucks don't have those stupid air bladders in the heels that almost all types of running/tennis shoes have now days. I don't know if youve ever popped one of thse damned things with 585 on your shoulders, but if you have you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. You instantly destabilize.
I personally HATE squating in work boots. I think you have too limited flexibility through the foot with them and the raised heels tends to increase pressure on my patellar tendons and knee (neither of my knees are the best anymore). One of the worst squatting injuries i"ve ever seen was from a person squatting in work boots without the shoes tied tightly. The guy ended up wtih a broken tibia as a result of stepping on the shoe lace and falling flat on his ass.
If you re-read my post, you'll see that I recommend Oly Weightlifting shoes.
But I agree very much on the point you're making about athletic shoes being too soft.
Thing is, I personally think Chuck T's are too soft as well, in comparison with either weightlifting shoes (heeled soles) or wrestling shoes (flat soles).
So I'd recommend either one of those two for squatting, depending if you want a flat or a slightly "tilted" shoe.
JMO though.
As far as deadlifting, there are deadlifting slippers who have even thinner soles than Chuck T's, and it doesn't make sense to me to give away even the slightest bit of inch when pulling - get as close to the ground as possible.
I've seen some US sumo lifters use front heels, or rather, use modified Chuck T's where they've trimmed down the back of the sole, I think both Priscilla R and Wade uses this. Seems pretty interesting, have to try it out.
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Ive thought of jackin' the front for just that purpose Hedge.
Just getting rid of the heel on a pair of sturdy boots helps there.
Hacks are about all I can do anymore, and a heel there kills my back. And,I just dont feel right in tennis shoes.
As far as SOLID goes. If anyone knows of footwear w/ a more solid sole, and rugged sides compared
to Red Wing high-top work boots, I want to hear.
They are nearly indestructible.
If you want a boot w/ a heel that is ultra support. Them's it. I dont lace all the way, wrap around ankle.
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I'm gonna post my chest workouts in here because I am already starting to lose track of the numbers, and I know that I'll never keep a journal or notebook. Plus, I appreciate any feedback.
This is the fourth week, back to a HEAVY week....
Week 1 Heavy (145 pounds, 185 negs)
Week 2 Light (125 pounds)
Week 3 Moderate (135 pounds)
Last Night, Heavy workout #1
145 x 5
155 x 5
155 x 5
160 x 5, struggled on the 4th and failed on the 5th
Negatives - 2 sets of 3 with 215 pounds.
And some side and rear delt work.
The spotting situation last night was dreadful and definitely affected my confidence. Slim pickins!!
I had to get this girl who weighs about 110 pounds to spot me on my heavy sets last night. My arms are too short to lift off and re-rack the weight. I told her what to do, but she totally spaced on the first set and when I went to re-rack the weight, I totally missed and she was just standing there staring at me.
I got a guy to help me with the negatives, after I explained to him what a negative is. ::)
Negatives were "OK" but could have been better with a better spotter.
I had never put 215 on the bar before, and I was surprised how HEAVY it felt. I wrapped my wrists for the first time, but not tight enough.
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Wrap wrists starting up high, right up across the meaty palm under the thumb.
It makes a bid differance. It locks that hand so it CANT roll back.
Make that hand and wrist feel like its splinted w/ a board!
I take it you were wearin your shirt for the 215?
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Wrap wrists starting up high, right up across the meaty palm under the thumb.
It makes a bid differance. It locks that hand so it CANT roll back.
Make that hand and wrist feel like its splinted w/ a board!
I take it you were wearin your shirt for the 215?
Yeah, that's the problem with the wrists, they want to roll back esp with the heavy weight on them.
First time ever using wraps...I guess I need to try to get the wraps "bench shirt tight." :P
No shirt yet, just doing negs with 215 and it felt really really heavy!
I am hoping to give the shirt a go in workout #2 next week. 8)
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Shit, you might press it if you can get enough velocity off the chest....
Go right over the bottom of meaty bottom of palm when you start wrapping (right where a Martial arts palm strike is delivered from). Tourniquet tight.
Follow around the back of the hand high there also. Then - IT WILL NOT be able to roll back, you'll bust the
forearm instead. ;D ;)
Finish up around the wrist.Dont just wrap the wrist, it can roll.Hit the palm also.
So it goes, modifying machinery or our bodies...
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Shit, you might press it if you can get enough velocity off the chest....
Go right over the bottom of meaty bottom of palm when you start wrapping (right where a Martial arts palm strike is delivered from). Tourniquet tight.
Follow around the back of the hand high there also. Then - IT WILL NOT be able to roll back, you'll bust the
forearm instead. ;D ;)
Finish up around the wrist.Dont just wrap the wrist, it can roll.Hit the palm also.
So it goes, modifying machinery or our bodies...
You must check with the rules of your bench contest before hand. If you wrap that high, you might get disqualified. I've done local bench contests where the wrist wraps could NOT touch the palm of the hand. Generally the thumb loop must be removed too.
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You must check with the rules of your bench contest before hand. If you wrap that high, you might get disqualified. I've done local bench contests where the wrist wraps could NOT touch the palm of the hand. Generally the thumb loop must be removed too.
Yeah, you guys better help w/ all them rule details. But that is one solid wrap.
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Yeah, you guys better help w/ all them rule details. But that is one solid wrap.
LOL. rules schmules. ;D
I really think thats a key thing for any powerlifting competition. Take the time to sit down when you are thinking of entering the contest and read the rules for the organization sanctioning it. Then reread them the night before the contest. You dont' want some stupid shit keeping a PR from happening.
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LOL. rules schmules. ;D
I really think thats a key thing for any powerlifting competition. Take the time to sit down when you are thinking of entering the contest and read the rules for the organization sanctioning it. Then reread them the night before the contest. You dont' want some stupid shit keeping a PR from happening.
Will do. I think I will be competing in the APF...haven't heard anything about rules on wrist wraps but I will be sure to check.
I am SUPER sore from that workout on Weds btw. :P
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Your RAW bench will go up fast just from handling the heavier iron on the bar, and the new form.
Tell it to all the shirt haters when you add 50-70 to your raw bench.
As if all them top shirt pressers cant bust out sets of 10-20 reps w/ a weight that blows away all the
"Purists" hating on them.
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Your RAW bench will go up fast just from handling the heavier iron on the bar, and the new form.
Tell it to all the shirt haters when you add 50-70 to your raw bench.
As if all them top shirt pressers cant bust out sets of 10-20 reps w/ a weight that blows away all the
"Purists" hating on them.
i just have to seea picture or video of this cage fighting monster benching. ;D
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This thread is great! I too wish to bench 225 soon.
But seriously, it sounds like you will hit well over 225 when you get used to the shirt and power form.
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This thread is great! I too wish to bench 225 soon.
But seriously, it sounds like you will hit well over 225 when you get used to the shirt and power form.
Hey, thanks man!
I'm sure you too can get to 225 one day if you work really, really hard at it. ;)
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Heavy week workout #2 today...
Close grips...
3 sets 135 pounds x 5
1 set 140 pounds x 5
tricep rope pulldowns 4 sets x 10
No board work yet, but soon!
No one was in the gym...not a spot to be found, not even a shitty one. I do not know how my gym stays in business.
I did abs too. :P
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Heavy week workout #2 today...
Close grips...
3 sets 135 pounds x 5
1 set 140 pounds x 5
tricep rope pulldowns 4 sets x 10
No board work yet, but soon!
No one was in the gym...not a spot to be found, not even a shitty one. I do not know how my gym stays in business.
I did abs too. :P
That was your whole workout? 8 sets? Were you in there for like 10 minutes?
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That was your whole workout? 8 sets? Were you in there for like 10 minutes?
ripitups a blonde mike mentzer.
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Heavy week workout #2 today...
Close grips...
3 sets 135 pounds x 5
1 set 140 pounds x 5
tricep rope pulldowns 4 sets x 10
No board work yet, but soon!
No one was in the gym...not a spot to be found, not even a shitty one. I do not know how my gym stays in business.
I did abs too. :P
Looking very solid.
Good volume.
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That was your whole workout? 8 sets? Were you in there for like 10 minutes?
I did a warmup set with 95 pounds first, stretched some, and also did a pretty good ab workout, so it all took about an hour. Plus, 135/140 is some heavy-ass weight for me to close grip, esp with no lift off or spot. :P
On another note, I burned my right forearm pretty bad yesterday putting something in the oven. It's about the size of a small egg, and it's close to a third degree burn, so I won't be putting the shirt on for a few days until the pain goes away and it scabs over. :-\
Thanks, Hedge. :)
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Weds. workout....
LIGHT WEEK, WORKOUT #1
-4 sets bench, 125 pounds x 5, practiced form and pauses. piece of cake. 8)
- 3 sets incline DB press, 50 pounds x 5, piece of cake.
- 3 sets DB lateral raises...1 set 20 pounds x 12, 2 sets 25 pounds x 8
- 3 sets rear delts, pec deck machine
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Weds. workout....
LIGHT WEEK, WORKOUT #1
-4 sets bench, 125 pounds x 5, practiced form and pauses. piece of cake. 8)
- 3 sets incline DB press, 50 pounds x 5, piece of cake.
- 3 sets DB lateral raises...1 set 20 pounds x 12, 2 sets 25 pounds x 8
- 3 sets rear delts, pec deck machine
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Have you got any jump stretch bands? Nice versatile , relatively inexpensive & portable equipment.
Can be hard on my shoulders, but its a good way to mix it up...
Great feel on shoulder Laterals and rotations too... Keeps the tension on where you want/ need it.
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Have you got any jump stretch bands? Nice versatile , relatively inexpensive & portable equipment.
Can be hard on my shoulders, but its a good way to mix it up...
Great feel on shoulder Laterals and rotations too... Keeps the tension on where you want/ need it.
I don't but I should get some just for the portability factor! I have a little cardio room in my house with some light dumbells...the bands would be a good addition.
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Have you got any jump stretch bands? Nice versatile , relatively inexpensive & portable equipment.
Can be hard on my shoulders, but its a good way to mix it up...
Great feel on shoulder Laterals and rotations too... Keeps the tension on where you want/ need it.
In my opinion, shes not at a level to begin using bands on anything other than rehabilitative/conditioning exercises like shoulder rotations/laterals, pushdowns etc. Chains would be much more appropriate
I personally love band presses----especially for my speed work on the bench and for overload with reverse bands, but I made a big mistake when I started to introduce my wife to them. She basically jumped in at the level I was doing and fried her anterior delts and pecs big time. Her benchpress divebombed as a result.
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In my opinion, shes not at a level to begin using bands on anything other than rehabilitative/conditioning exercises like shoulder rotations/laterals, pushdowns etc. Chains would be much more appropriate
I personally love band presses----especially for my speed work on the bench and for overload with reverse bands, but I made a big mistake when I started to introduce my wife to them. She basically jumped in at the level I was doing and fried her anterior delts and pecs big time. Her benchpress divebombed as a result.
I dont use them much and need tailor them just so when I do. I learned They can be fierce on the shoulders.
But, like you say for rotations etc, they are great. I step back/ forward to the rack to tailor the resistance/ stretching
right where I want it.
Nice for pushdowns too for what they are worth...
I love the way chain builds up also, best trick in the book IMO. To bad most GYMs wont allow.
If we got chains, board press and box squats down into the HS Phys Ed programs we'd build a nation of ass kickers
instead of keyboard clickers...
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Okay, I don't know what you guys are talking about. ;D
Other than stretching and basic exercises, I am not sure what you would do with the bands, and I definitely don't understand the chains at all. How do you use the chains and what do they do? Any good video links?
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Okay, I don't know what you guys are talking about. ;D
Other than stretching and basic exercises, I am not sure what you would do with the bands, and I definitely don't understand the chains at all. How do you use the chains and what do they do? Any good video links?
Its the idea of accommodating resistance. Basically bands provide differing degrees of tension depending on how tightly they are stretched. Say for instance in a box squat, at the bottom each strong band will provide approximately 100 lbs of resistance or 200 lbs total. At the top of the movement they provide 160 lbs of resistance or 320 lbs total. I've been typically box squatting this training cycle with between 315 and 405 on the bar. Add in the bands on a day I'm doing, say 405, I've got 605 lbs of resistance at the bottom and 720 at the top. In order to lock out the exercises, you have to develop enough speed off the box to overcome the added resistance from the stretching band---in other words you have to generate in excess of 720 lbs of resistance. The way to do this is "exploding" or rapid muscle recruitment off the box. basically the bands make you move heavy weight faster.
The same basic thing happens with chains, except you arrange the chains so links are resting on the floor. As you lock out the movement, you will lift in increased amount of weight--say for speed benches, you use 1 chain, thats roughly 40 lbs at the top, and depending on how its arranged, can be as little as nothing to 5 lbs at the bottom when the chain is resting on the floor.
The difference between chains and bands is really speed. You have to move a band exercise faster to generate the same degree of force to overcome the band. With chains, its more of a brute power as you lift the weight. You aren't fighting anything but gravity. Bands can also make you excessively sore---like in my wife's case, so sore you can't move your arms or even walk (yes it was funny, but i felt bad). I think its relatively easy to overdo it with band if you don't watch yourself.
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Its the idea of accommodating resistance. Basically bands provide differing degrees of tension depending on how tightly they are stretched. Say for instance in a box squat, at the bottom each strong band will provide approximately 100 lbs of resistance or 200 lbs total. At the top of the movement they provide 160 lbs of resistance or 320 lbs total. I've been typically box squatting this training cycle with between 315 and 405 on the bar. Add in the bands on a day I'm doing, say 405, I've got 405 lbs of resistance at the bottom and 720 at the top. In order to lock out the exercises, you have to develop enough speed off the box to overcome the added resistance from the stretching band---in other words you have to generate in excess of 720 lbs of resistance. The way to do this is "exploding" or rapid muscle recruitment off the box. basically the bands make you move heavy weight faster.
The same basic thing happens with chains, except you arrange the chains so links are resting on the floor. As you lock out the movement, you will lift in increased amount of weight--say for speed benches, you use 1 chain, thats roughly 40 lbs at the top, and depending on how its arranged, can be as little as nothing to 5 lbs at the bottom when the chain is resting on the floor.
The difference between chains and bands is really speed. You have to move a band exercise faster to generate the same degree of force to overcome the band. With chains, its more of a brute power as you lift the weight. You aren't fighting anything but gravity. Bands can also make you excessively sore---like in my wife's case, so sore you can't move your arms or even walk (yes it was funny, but i felt bad). I think its relatively easy to overdo it with band if you don't watch yourself.
Gotcha. I've always wondered...that totally makes sense, thanks.
I would never have even thought to use the bands like that. :D
I feel your wife's pain, I've been there a few times (not with that exercise, obviously) and it's awful!!
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What vet said; and only your imagination limits their use, (chain and bands)
eg:Some guys hang them over the cage and suspend the barbell in the heavy bands....
Ok, when you press this, you have a boost @ first, but it gets heavy real FAST! So, again, we learn to increase velocity out of the bottom....
If you reverse all the ways you've learned to make a light weight feel heavy, you'll lift more and IMO hit different muscle fibres.
I dont know if thats the technical/ scientific explination, but just handling that heavier iron w/ increased velocity at the start, to the point of near stall does something different to the muscle.
Elitefts has lots of band set-ups and chain video clips on that U-Tube page of theirs.
I like the feel of the chain as it builds up, Im gonna hit my local Tractor dealer sometime for some bigger stuff.
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"Raise your mental horizons, use the power of your mind to push you to handle poundages you once only dreamt about"
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What vet said; and only your imagination limits their use, (chain and bands)
eg:Some guys hang them over the cage and suspend the barbell in the heavy bands....
Ok, when you press this, you have a boost @ first, but it gets heavy real FAST! So, again, we learn to increase velocity out of the bottom....
If you reverse all the ways you've learned to make a light weight feel heavy, you'll lift more and IMO hit different muscle fibres.
I dont know if thats the technical/ scientific explination, but just handling that heavier iron w/ increased velocity at the start, to the point of near stall does something different to the muscle.
Elitefts has lots of band set-ups and chain video clips on that U-Tube page of theirs.
I like the feel of the chain as it builds up, Im gonna hit my local Tractor dealer sometime for some bigger stuff.
Like I said, I like working DE days with bands. The one thing is I've learned to not work more than 2-3 weeks at a time. Typically I'll do straight weight for 3 weeks, bands for 2 weeks, straight weight for 3 weeks, chains for 3 weeks (haven't been doing lately because of chain issues), straight weight for 3 weeks, bands....etc That will give your joints and muscles a chance to recover from the bands.
Bands are good because most gyms won't care about you using them. Chains on the other hand will seriously piss off some commercial gym managers. Not only that, but finding the correct size and weight (5/8 inch galvanized where 5 foot=20 lbs) is sometimes difficult. Lighter weight chains require more feet of length, which means they won't necessarily work depending on your height. Topper Supply out of Columbus will mail order them for a reasonable price, the same as Elitefts. If you have a large industrial supply depot close by, then you might be able to get the right size.
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bump for some inspiration, check it out Rip.
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bump for some inspiration, check it out Rip.
jeeze thats from half a life time ago.....
I can still to this day not figure out how Anthony Clark was able to hold that much weight with a reverse grip without stress fracturing his wrists. The torsional forces on the lateral bones of the wrist had to be unbelievable.
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WOW, reverse grip...Good Lord! :o
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Today was Workout #2 on my light week. Not feeling great today, felt weak and tired in the gym, and I have that sort of heavy feeling on my chest...I hope I am not getting sick. :-\
-Close grip BP... 1 set 135 x 5, 3 sets 145 x 5. Second set of 145 needed a do-over...I tried with wrist wraps, did 2 reps, and hated the way the wraps felt on the close grips, so I took them off, rested, and did the set again.
- Cable/rope triceps 4 sets x 12
No spot or lift off again, it totally screws up my form to do it by myself but that's the way it goes. >:(
I also did calves and abs.
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Today was Workout #2 on my light week. Not feeling great today, felt weak and tired in the gym, and I have that sort of heavy feeling on my chest...I hope I am not getting sick. :-\
-Close grip BP... 1 set 135 x 5, 3 sets 145 x 5. Second set of 145 needed a do-over...I tried with wrist wraps, did 2 reps, and hated the way the wraps felt on the close grips, so I took them off, rested, and did the set again.
- Cable/rope triceps 4 sets x 12
No spot or lift off again, it totally screws up my form to do it by myself but that's the way it goes. >:(
I also did calves and abs.
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Keep at it rip baby, don't get discouraged, you can do this! :)
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Keep at it rip baby, don't get discouraged, you can do this! :)
Thanks Luv Baby. I am not feeling sick yet, so maybe it was just a bad day lol.
I am leaning towards doing a bench meet next Saturday, November 3. I will be there anyway, and there will only be a couple of women competing...so I kinda figured I might as well jump into it (RAW) and see where my max is at right now. I can also video my lifts and check my form, etc. It'll give me a good baseline for the meet I am focusing on in February.
IF I do it (haven't decided yet), I would do it raw, obviously, since the shirt is not broken in yet. The only thing I am nervous about is not being able to match my lift from my last meet, which would be slightly embarassing...but people don't realize that I dieted down and competed as a BB since the last meet, and I am just re-gaining my off-season momentum now.
Last meet was in February of this year, and I got 175 or 180 RAW, I forget. Not sure if I'll be able to pull that off next Saturday, but I did get 160 for four a couple of weeks ago, so who knows...I may just swallow my pride and go for it, use it as a learning experience. I can use some of the tips and advice you guys have given me, and see where I am at. 8)
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Thanks Luv Baby. I am not feeling sick yet, so maybe it was just a bad day lol.
I am leaning towards doing a bench meet next Saturday, November 3. I will be there anyway, and there will only be a couple of women competing...so I kinda figured I might as well jump into it (RAW) and see where my max is at right now. I can also video my lifts and check my form, etc. It'll give me a good baseline for the meet I am focusing on in February.
IF I do it (haven't decided yet), I would do it raw, obviously, since the shirt is not broken in yet. The only thing I am nervous about is not being able to match my lift from my last meet, which would be slightly embarassing...but people don't realize that I dieted down and competed as a BB since the last meet, and I am just re-gaining my off-season momentum now.
Last meet was in February of this year, and I got 175 or 180 RAW, I forget. Not sure if I'll be able to pull that off next Saturday, but I did get 160 for four a couple of weeks ago, so who knows...I may just swallow my pride and go for it, use it as a learning experience. I can use some of the tips and advice you guys have given me, and see where I am at. 8)
Yeah you should, then you can implement some of the things you have learned since last meet. Plus just doing the comp is like practice, making sure you do the lift right and just over all feeling comfortable with the whole event structure. The more times you do something the better you get at it....usually LOL
Not that you would not be anyhow, Rip is ice under pressure :)
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Last night was Workout #1, moderate week.
- 4 sets bench 145 x 5
- 3 sets incline DB 55 lbs x 5
- 3 sets DB front raises 15 lbs x 10
- 3 sets Nautilus lateral raise machine x 10
I feel weak this week for whatever reason. Those incline DBs were a bitch.
I am gonna try to jump into the bench meet next Saturday, I guess, although I am not thrilled about how my workouts went this week. I am not doing workout #2 this weekend and will do one bench workout early next week to get ready.
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Id skip a workout. Ive found, personaly, I can go up to 10 days and not derail a strength run.
Problem is - If somthing comes up THEN thet prolongs workout longer, I will regress a notch. :-\
SO, to me, that's the real danger of stretching them out.
If your in 10 days or so of the meet, I bet you could just relax and do stretching and VERY light
form movments and not drop any strength.
Come in super fresh and strong.
Beat down is not strong.
Having that bench groove/ form burnt into the brain and CNS is what counts.
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Id skip a workout. Ive found, personaly, I can go up to 10 days and not derail a strength run.
Problem is - If somthing comes up THEN thet prolongs workout longer, I will regress a notch. :-\
SO, to me, that's the real danger of stretching them out.
If your in 10 days or so of the meet, I bet you could just relax and do stretching and VERY light
form movments and not drop any strength.
Come in super fresh and strong.
Beat down is not strong.
Having that bench groove/ form burnt into the brain and CNS is what counts.
I hear ya...I'm gonna have to do a little bit early next week cuz I will go crazy otherwise, and I still don't know exactly what my max is right now. I don't feel ready for this meet at all, not that I was really preparing for it.
But I have company coming into town tomorrow for the weekend, so it gives me a good excuse to take a few days completely off.
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Stage fright. Relax. Your stressin'.
Come fresh and find your max.
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Stage fright. Relax. Your stressin'.
Come fresh and find your max.
OK I am stressing a bit lol. I had an "off week" and didn't feel great in the gym last week. I went in last night and didn't feel great either...feeling weak. :-\
I did a brief warmup, and then did some singles with a pause, proper form, etc. to see what I'm dealing with.
-155 got it, no problem
-165 got it, not as easy as I would have liked
-175 did not get it
-170 too tired, did not get it. >:(
-I also did a handoff with 220 and held it for like 4 seconds...heavy!!
I guess I'm gonna do the meet on Sat, but I'm not feelin' it right now, and I am nervous because I don't have an opportunity to train chest/bench much more before this. Not really liking those numbers, they are not terribly impressive, but it'll give me a baseline to go with for now, and see what I can do with the shirt for Feb. 08. :-\
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http://www.homegymcentral.com/magnum_fitness_bench_press_m678.html
Nice bench here. Tips forward to help unrack.
But also tips back when you liftoff.
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You will do fine!
Just have fun, you aren't going for state records just yet! my biggest downfall has been my high anxiety before a meet, just try to have fun. numbers are just numbers at this stage of your game.
Also when you feel run down and weak for more than a week or two, take a FULL week off lifting completely and come back the next week refreshed. train light the first week and move up from there. that is a classic sign of overtraining and even with low volume you can overtrain VERY easily in powerlifting. i take a full 7 days off every 10-12 weeks no matter what protocol i'm doing. it helps alot.
Good luck!
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OK I am stressing a bit lol. I had an "off week" and didn't feel great in the gym last week. I went in last night and didn't feel great either...feeling weak. :-\
I did a brief warmup, and then did some singles with a pause, proper form, etc. to see what I'm dealing with.
-155 got it, no problem
-165 got it, not as easy as I would have liked
-175 did not get it
-170 too tired, did not get it. >:(
-I also did a handoff with 220 and held it for like 4 seconds...heavy!!
I guess I'm gonna do the meet on Sat, but I'm not feelin' it right now, and I am nervous because I don't have an opportunity to train chest/bench much more before this. Not really liking those numbers, they are not terribly impressive, but it'll give me a baseline to go with for now, and see what I can do with the shirt for Feb. 08. :-\
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You will do fine!
Just have fun, you aren't going for state records just yet! my biggest downfall has been my high anxiety before a meet, just try to have fun. numbers are just numbers at this stage of your game.
Also when you feel run down and weak for more than a week or two, take a FULL week off lifting completely and come back the next week refreshed. train light the first week and move up from there. that is a classic sign of overtraining and even with low volume you can overtrain VERY easily in powerlifting. i take a full 7 days off every 10-12 weeks no matter what protocol i'm doing. it helps alot.
Good luck!
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Thanks. I think I'm just nervous because I don't feel that I have prepared very much for this meet. Of course, I just decided to jump into it last week, so that's the deal. It'll be fun. :)
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Hey Guys
I did the bench meet yesterday, and I was very happy with the way things went, esp since I was kind of nervous and not very optimistic.
I managed to do three successful lifts (raw) at 160, 170, and 175. No red flags.
I came in second out of four women...the woman who beat me weighed 23 pounds more than me, used a shirt, and got 210. She got one red flag on the 210 lift, as her butt was BARELY on the bench.
Good stuff. I am psyched because I am just about where I was at the end of my last off-season strength-wise, and now I have three months to get stronger and work with the shirt. The meet in February should kick ass. 8)
I learned alot too....it was a good experience in terms of just watching the other lifters, practicing my form, and taking it all in.
BIG thanks for your support and advice.
I got a few pics of some of the bigger lifters, which I'll post.
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The most impressive lifter of the day IMO was this guy, who benched RAW. He weighed in at just under 250 (248 I think) and benched 520. 8)
He also proposed to his girlfriend at the end of the meet, which was really cute! She competed for the first time and had a lot of fun, so that was cool too.
I didn't get pics of this other kid, but he was about 21 years old and benched 605 at 198 pounds, with a shirt. very impressive as well.
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Great work, Rip! Work with that shirt and you'll smoke'em!
Congrats :D
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Here are a couple of the bigger lifts we saw yesterday.
One thing I noticed is that most of the guys wore bench shirts that seemed a bit big IMO. No one struggled to get their shirts on, and alot of them seemed to get them on and be pretty comfortable in them. You can even see some extra material in the shirt, like they are not tight enough. :P
I didn't see any struggles using baby powder and grocery bags LOL.
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Great work, Rip! Work with that shirt and you'll smoke'em!
Congrats :D
Thanks Lift! I was happy with how it went. This is just the beginning. 8)
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any pics of you lifting, Rip?
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any pics of you lifting, Rip?
No, but I did take video so that I could check my form, etc. :)
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Cool, good job... Now you got time to figure that shirt out.
So, She had 23lbs on you, a shirt and got 210#.
2 wheels each side is in easy reach for you. Just press it with a spot for forced rep.
Learn to just unrack/support it even. 4,5 boards or pins.
Then just keep loosing a board. 4,3,2,
1 board Aint much different than none.
I keep the screw gun handy and add skinny 3/4" boards sumtimes also.
Body dont notice little changes like that.
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Great job Rip!
That should add a little fuel to the fire.
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Man rip awesome job, you are the real mammy jamber!
That one dude in black has the bar bending even with that wide grip!! Those plates look beautiful 8)
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Thank you guys. :)
Yep this definitely added some fuel to the fire, I am totally psyched to get into the shirt and get going on pressing some real big numbers.
Expect a post from me bitching about how much I hate the shirt within the next week or two. ;D
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Expect a post from me bitching about how much I hate the shirt within the next week or two. ;D
As opposed to the other posts you "bitch" on?
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I made it back into the gym tonight...I am moving towards a Friday/Monday schedule for my chest workouts, with shirt work on Fridays (workout #1) starting next week hopefully.
This week, I jumped back into a "moderate" week, Workout #1 tonight.
-4 sets bench - 2 sets 145 x 5, 2 sets 150 x 5 (the 150 sets may have been a little heavy for a moderate week, but I got them np)
- 3 sets dumbell inclines 55 x 5 (no spot, these were a bitch)
- 3 sets dumbell laterals 20 lbs x 12
- 3 sets rotator cuff cables very light weight x 15
:)
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I made it back into the gym tonight...I am moving towards a Friday/Monday schedule for my chest workouts, with shirt work on Fridays (workout #1) starting next week hopefully.
This week, I jumped back into a "moderate" week, Workout #1 tonight.
-4 sets bench - 2 sets 145 x 5, 2 sets 150 x 5 (the 150 sets may have been a little heavy for a moderate week, but I got them np)
- 3 sets dumbell inclines 55 x 5 (no spot, these were a bitch)
- 3 sets dumbell laterals 20 lbs x 12
- 3 sets rotator cuff cables very light weight x 15
:)
Damn Lori... You're putting up more weight than half the guys I see trolling around the gym... Nice work.
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Damn Lori... You're putting up more weight than half the guys I see trolling around the gym... Nice work.
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From one troll to another...thanks. ;)
I love lifting big weight.
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One day late, but I did workout #2 tonight. I am planning on training with the shirt for the first time on Friday.
I used boards tonight for the first time. My husband made me a sweet set of boards, from 1-4. Check 'em out...fully upholstered and with ez-grip handles. ;D
I used the 2-boards tonight. I brought the 1 board, but it seemed so small that I went with the 2's.
BOARD PRESSES
155 x 5
160 x 5
165 x 5
165 x 5
CLOSE GRIPS
135 x 5
140 x 5
140 x 5
I hit the wall and ran out of gas on the last set. I was used to doing these as my first exercise, and doing the board presses first made a big difference.
I also did three sets x 6 of tricep rope pulldowns.
I assume that I'll be using the 4-board and 3-board to start breaking the shirt in. The 4-board is pretty tall for me, so I will probably only use it once or twice, at least I hope. Not sure what I will use the 1-board for yet.
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Are you sure JR didn't just make these as paddles, and you just HAPPEN to use them as boards.
Looks... Um... Yeah... like that.
;D
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Are you sure JR didn't just make these as paddles, and you just HAPPEN to use them as boards.
Looks... Um... Yeah... like that.
;D
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Funny you should say that...I kept accidentally calling them paddles all night. ;D
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Funny you should say that...I kept accidentally calling them paddles all night. ;D
Haha... Accidentally... RIIIIIIGHT.
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Best looking boards I've seen.
Good workout too.
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Rip, those are nice. He put some time and care in. Lucky you ;)
Hey guys - "Paddles" should have Leather covers, Right?
Prolly just velcro the Leather on ;D
The tall ones are great for tricep strength/ lockout. You can discard a lot of triceps work for the higher board. Its fast and efficient.
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Hey guys - "Paddles" should have Leather covers, Right?
Prolly just velcro the Leather on ;D
hahaha ;D
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Last Friday, I took the shirt to the gym for the first time. Workout #1 for the week. I can't say it was terribly successful. It was more painful and frustrating than successful.
We put the shirt on, and I tried 155. LOL it pretty much didn't move.
We put 225 on and tried again. I tried three times with 225 and the 4 board, and I could not get it to touch the 4 board.
I gave up on the shirt and then proceeded to do two terrible sets of bench press. I threw 160 on and barely got it for 4, and then I went down to 135 x 5, which felt heavy as shit. I think I made myself tired from struggling with the shirt.
When I lay on the bench and move my arms up to the bar, the whole shirt pulls up, no matter how tight down it is, the shirt lifts up, and the seam across the top ends up like on my chin. Then, the crinkle forms like right across the top of my boobs, which is where it seems the seam should be sitting. (It's the same crinkle as in the pics, but I start with the shirt flat and pulled down)
And then when I try to move the weight, the crinkle totally pulls super tight across my chest and cuts into the top of my boobs. It's painful lol....like too painful to move the shirt more than I did.
Last night, I did workout #2.
-board presses 2-board... 160 x 5, 165 x 5, 165 x 5, 170 x 4.
-close grips 3 sets 135 x 5
-tricep rope 3 sets x 6
Close grips are tough, I can't keep my arch very well and get all sort of out of whack with heavier weight, esp when I do them after the board presses. I managed to get the sets of 135 but it was a struggle.
I'm not giving up on the shirt, obviously, but I am fairly certain I am going to order the next size up and work with both of them.
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ALWAYS get a lift off on close grips Rip, and make sure it's by someone who knows what they're doing, bar position over the chest is very important on these, you see people in the gym all the time lowering the bar way too high up on these, that bar should hit around the top of the abs.
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The shirt is WAY too tight.
Good luck.
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ALWAYS get a lift off on close grips Rip, and make sure it's by someone who knows what they're doing, bar position over the chest is very important on these, you see people in the gym all the time lowering the bar way too high up on these, that bar should hit around the top of the abs.
With the heavier weight, I am learning that I have a certain groove where I can do these, and I totally fck them up if I am either too high or too low. I totally blew it last night when I came down too high up and caught my husband off guard on the first rep b/c I usually do all of the reps by myself, and I couldn't get the bar up on the first one.
The shirt is WAY too tight.
Good luck.
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;D
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I managed to get a shirt workout in on Friday. It was slightly better than the first one. I will admit that the shirt is definitely stretching, but it's a rough go.
I was out of town and didn't have boards with me, just the shirt and a spotter.
I did four attempts at 185 in the shirt, and I probably got it down to the height of a 3-board by the last two attempts.
I also did 3 sets of DB laterals and 3 sets of rotator cuffs with a band.
The shirt left large purple marks and broken blood vessels pretty much all the way across my upper pecs and under my arms, all the way back to the tricep. But it's stretching a little. :D
I am still leaning towards ordering one size up and breaking both of them in.
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Last Friday, I took the shirt to the gym for the first time. Workout #1 for the week. I can't say it was terribly successful. It was more painful and frustrating than successful.
We put the shirt on, and I tried 155. LOL it pretty much didn't move.
We put 225 on and tried again. I tried three times with 225 and the 4 board, and I could not get it to touch the 4 board.
I gave up on the shirt and then proceeded to do two terrible sets of bench press. I threw 160 on and barely got it for 4, and then I went down to 135 x 5, which felt heavy as shit. I think I made myself tired from struggling with the shirt.
When I lay on the bench and move my arms up to the bar, the whole shirt pulls up, no matter how tight down it is, the shirt lifts up, and the seam across the top ends up like on my chin. Then, the crinkle forms like right across the top of my boobs, which is where it seems the seam should be sitting. (It's the same crinkle as in the pics, but I start with the shirt flat and pulled down)
And then when I try to move the weight, the crinkle totally pulls super tight across my chest and cuts into the top of my boobs. It's painful lol....like too painful to move the shirt more than I did.
Last night, I did workout #2.
-board presses 2-board... 160 x 5, 165 x 5, 165 x 5, 170 x 4.
-close grips 3 sets 135 x 5
-tricep rope 3 sets x 6
Close grips are tough, I can't keep my arch very well and get all sort of out of whack with heavier weight, esp when I do them after the board presses. I managed to get the sets of 135 but it was a struggle.
I'm not giving up on the shirt, obviously, but I am fairly certain I am going to order the next size up and work with both of them.
Pardon my ignorance guys but what do you use the boards for? Do you put it on your chest and bring the bar down to them? See this is just a guess cause there was this one guy who was into PL who did that at my gym but his was just a block of wood, :-\
Oh second question why do that? What does it do?
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Luv, you need try the boards, trust me they work.
The pause cause some strange reaction that makes for more strength.
Screw all the science explanation, just do it.
Rip - That shirt is TOO Tight! Get another, you'll diet down sometime anyway.
Cant lift like that. Your arch and form is giving about as much ROM as you can ask for.
If you still can only get that much depth, (and the bruises/ marks) its way too tight.
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My basic understanding of the boards is that they allow you to focus on building strength in the triceps by limiting your range of motion to that which uses primarily the tris, which is critical for lifting big weight with the shirt.
Obviously, they are also used to help break the bench shirt in.
trab, I think I am getting a bigger shirt, but I am holding out hope for this one when it comes time for competition. I'm gonna try to break both of them in if I can handle it.
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the boards build lockout strength and allow you to handle a higher load in efforts to increase your max bench. you should be able to press much more off a 3 board than you do raw. once your body is used to these heavier loads it can lead to a much more powerful lockout strength which will make you stronger...something like that.
board presses and chains made the biggest improvements in my benching, RAW and in a shirt.
Rip - two shirts is not a bad idea, i have 3 depending on how far out from the meet i am i use a tighter shirt.
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the idea with using the boards for partials as Louie Simmons stated is that your muscles absorb the brunt of the added weight as opposed to resting the bar on the pins of the power rack for partials.
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the idea with using the boards for partials as Louie Simmons stated is that your muscles absorb the brunt of the added weight as opposed to resting the bar on the pins of the power rack for partials.
Exactly.
The boards are suppose to simulate the bar touching your actual body.
when resting on pins the balance issue goes out the window because the resting point is on the outside of the bar.
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the boards build lockout strength and allow you to handle a higher load in efforts to increase your max bench. you should be able to press much more off a 3 board than you do raw. once your body is used to these heavier loads it can lead to a much more powerful lockout strength which will make you stronger...something like that.
board presses and chains made the biggest improvements in my benching, RAW and in a shirt.
Rip - two shirts is not a bad idea, i have 3 depending on how far out from the meet i am i use a tighter shirt.
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There also the mental aspect.... boards allow you to overload what you'd do for a normal full range rep. You will indirectly train yourself to handle more weight by using boards, thus eliminating that "oh shit" feeling when you take a liftoff in the contest. I know I used to miss lifts because of the mental games I played. It was doing 3 and 4 board presses with 50-100 lbs more than my max that got me over that feeling--sort of like walkouts or yoke training for squats.
The other thing boards do is they help train you to stay tight in your form with maximal weights. I had problems with loosing my arch when I took the handoff when I worked over 95%. I think heavy board presses helped me get over that and taught me to stay tighter.
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There also the mental aspect.... boards allow you to overload what you'd do for a normal full range rep. You will indirectly train yourself to handle more weight by using boards, thus eliminating that "oh shit" feeling when you take a liftoff in the contest. I know I used to miss lifts because of the mental games I played. It was doing 3 and 4 board presses with 50-100 lbs more than my max that got me over that feeling--sort of like walkouts or yoke training for squats.
The other thing boards do is they help train you to stay tight in your form with maximal weights. I had problems with loosing my arch when I took the handoff when I worked over 95%. I think heavy board presses helped me get over that and taught me to stay tighter.
So true...I thought about both of these points last night after I did the BPs. I'm not pressing over my max yet, but doing the heavier weight for more reps on these is getting me more comfortable with heavier weight.
Last night was workout #2 on whatever week I am on...at this point, my workout #1s basically consist of a few attempts with the bench shirt (which will hopefully turn into reps!) and some shoulder work, and then #2s are board presses and close grips.
Board presses w/the 2-board 4 sets 175 x 5.
Close grips 1 set 135 x 5, 3 sets 140 x 5.
I was pretty happy with these numbers.
There's a ton of great info in this thread, so thanks again guys. 8)
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So true...I thought about both of these points last night after I did the BPs. I'm not pressing over my max yet, but doing the heavier weight for more reps on these is getting me more comfortable with heavier weight.
Last night was workout #2 on whatever week I am on...at this point, my workout #1s basically consist of a few attempts with the bench shirt (which will hopefully turn into reps!) and some shoulder work, and then #2s are board presses and close grips.
Board presses w/the 2-board 4 sets 175 x 5.
Close grips 1 set 135 x 5, 3 sets 140 x 5.
I was pretty happy with these numbers.
There's a ton of great info in this thread, so thanks again guys. 8)
Nice Rip, looks like you were feeling pretty strong last night!
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Nice Rip, looks like you were feeling pretty strong last night!
Some things are getting better. :)
I also widened my grip on the close grips last night to shoulder width. I was going a little narrow before which was screwing me up.
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Some things are getting better. :)
I also widened my grip on the close grips last night to shoulder width. I was going a little narrow before which was screwing me up.
that always helps, the important thing is to remember to keep those elbows in close and pointed down towards the feet.
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So I'm missing out doing partials with the pins and the board simulating my body supporting the weight sounds like good people. Is it pointless to put the board on myself after i'm setup to bench and bench off it since I don't work out with anyone?
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So I'm missing out doing partials with the pins and the board simulating my body supporting the weight sounds like good people. Is it pointless to put the board on myself after i'm setup to bench and bench off it since I don't work out with anyone?
Tie the board to your chest, preferably with a stretchy kind of rope, steal one of those rubber bands they use in aerobic classes and shit ;D
You feel me?
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So I'm missing out doing partials with the pins and the board simulating my body supporting the weight sounds like good people. Is it pointless to put the board on myself after i'm setup to bench and bench off it since I don't work out with anyone?
I cut and screw'd together a 3 & 4 board with the bottom board a little longer.
I can set it on my chest myself with the bottom long one touching my chin; Arch & set up, and slightly push it forward about 4" by raising my head up and pushing it with my chin. ( I raise my head when I lower the bar anyway, so I need exactly that much room).
My boards are a little wider also. I cut them from 2x12" pine plank.
I got no problem with them staying put. Ive thought of velcro on the bottom, but it's unnecessary for me.
SOme guys also stick them under a large sweatshirt, or use a light band to keep them down.
If your training alone, make sure you dont clamp the Bar ends. THen you can pour the plates off one end if stuck at the chest.
Home Bench training alone is dangerous if stuck. Just quickly dump them off one side, the other side will take care of itself real fast after that... ;) Keep the area under/near each bar end clear in case of that little event.
It makes some noise too, ;D
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Unless you have anything relevant to add, which seems unlikely, kindly fcuk off.
Don't be a fcuking asshole.
I agree with Hedge 100% on this one. Its peckerheads posting shit like that that ruin good threads on this board. What do you get from it? Seriously. It immature as hell and should be posted in other parts of the board, not here. The fact that the mods have left it up makes things even worse. It just encourages this bullshit.
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I don't think that the mods on this board are online all that much.
This IS a great thread, at least from my perspective, despite the furry muslebear ass pic...tons of good info in here, I've learned alot. :)
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SOme guys also stick them under a large sweatshirt, or use a light band to keep them down.
I cant even get into a Large sweatshirt much less shove 4 planks of wood in it too! ;)
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Tie the board to your chest, preferably with a stretchy kind of rope, steal one of those rubber bands they use in aerobic classes and shit ;D
You feel me?
These are what I use. They are soft enough that you don't feel them under your shoulders and they are dirt cheap.
Just slide the hooks to your side where they won't get in the way.
(http://www.harpster-canopies.com/storeimages/448326941544_LG.jpg)
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These are what I use. They are soft enough that you don't feel them under your shoulders and they are dirt cheap.
Just slide the hooks to your side where they won't get in the way.
That's what we use to tie down our drag bike. 8)
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I cant even get into a Large sweatshirt much less shove 4 planks of wood in it too! ;)
Do you board press? If your that wide - They should not fall off! ;D
Cut some out of 12" wide pine. The skinny 8" wide is not as stable.
Just Zap them together with a screw gun. (Ridgid Tools guns kick butt ;))
You can add like 1/2 a board with some 1" pine plank.
Try adding a 1 1/2Board & 2 1/2board to your collection. You'll like them.
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:D sure u did u little musclebear
Why do you have pics of 'musclebears' on your hard-drive, sevastase? Is there something you desperately want to share with the rest of us?
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Do you board press? If your that wide - They should not fall off! ;D
Cut some out of 12" wide pine. The skinny 8" wide is not as stable.
Just Zap them together with a screw gun. (Ridgid Tools guns kick butt ;))
You can add like 1/2 a board with some 1" pine plank.
Try adding a 1 1/2Board & 2 1/2board to your collection. You'll like them.
I've got the Rigid set as a matter of fact! But Im just messin around, I dont even bench unless its CG or JM presses.
When I was benching I sometimes used a foam roller pad as a board. I think once you've sunk the bar into it it comes to about 3". Being as I was always working out at 24hr at the time I didnt have much choice.
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yes. I am gay.
Fixed it for you, and there's nothing wrong with being gay, even in Romania.
Stop messing this thread btw.
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I did my third shirt workout on Friday, and I will admit that the shirt is stretching. It's hard to believe lol, but this MAY work in a couple of months if I keep working on it.
After a warmup and getting the shirt on, here's what i did:
-225 for 2 reps with the 4 board
-225 for 2 reps with the 3 board
-225 for 1 rep with the 2 board, and it DID touch
-225 with no board, I did NOT get it to touch
Then, I decided what the hell, I will just try the heavier weight and see how it feels.
So we put 275 on....
I did 275 for 2 reps with the 4 board with a heavy spot
Then I tried 275 for one more rep, and it wasn't happening.
I definitely had a spot on all of the sets, but my spotters both seem to think that 225 will be a foregone conclusion once I get the shirt to work properly. The good news is that I actually got the shirt to touch on a 2 board, so it is getting better. And it didn't leave nearly as many bruises and broken blood vessels on me this time.
I'm all over the place with the bar, I can't do it by myself yet, but it's coming along. The form is REALLY tough when all you are focusing on is how much the shirt hurts.
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Yeah I had a feeling you would destroy 225 soon enough!
Good stuff, keep it up!
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Ripper thats awesome! Im thinking if the shirt is too tight get the next size? That way you can concentrate on the weight more, but I dont know a lot about it. I would say the new goal for this event in the shirt is 285 lbs 8)
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Ripper thats awesome! Im thinking if the shirt is too tight get the next size? That way you can concentrate on the weight more, but I dont know a lot about it. I would say the new goal for this event in the shirt is 285 lbs 8)
Well, I have been contemplating that. I'm kinda making some progress breaking this shirt in, and I think the issue is just that it's an advanced-level shirt, and I am a beginning-level shirt lifter. I'm somewhere around 12 weeks out from the meet...and I'm kinda at the point where I need to just power through with this shirt and hope that it works out, rather than try to break in two shirts.
Similar to my BB contest prep, I have kind of decided to listen to one person's advice re. the shirt and how to break it in. And he seems to think that this shirt will ultimately be perfect for me, so I'm gonna go with it. 8)
I was very pleased with how much it has stretched in just three workouts. It has a long way to go, but I should be able to get it working properly in a few more workouts.
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Well, I have been contemplating that. I'm kinda making some progress breaking this shirt in, and I think the issue is just that it's an advanced-level shirt, and I am a beginning-level shirt lifter. I'm somewhere around 12 weeks out from the meet...and I'm kinda at the point where I need to just power through with this shirt and hope that it works out, rather than try to break in two shirts.
Similar to my BB contest prep, I have kind of decided to listen to one person's advice re. the shirt and how to break it in. And he seems to think that this shirt will ultimately be perfect for me, so I'm gonna go with it. 8)
I was very pleased with how much it has stretched in just three workouts. It has a long way to go, but I should be able to get it working properly in a few more workouts.
That sounds like a good plan, Im sure it will all work out very well for you.
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I did my third shirt workout on Friday, and I will admit that the shirt is stretching. It's hard to believe lol, but this MAY work in a couple of months if I keep working on it.
After a warmup and getting the shirt on, here's what i did:
-225 for 2 reps with the 4 board
-225 for 2 reps with the 3 board
-225 for 1 rep with the 2 board, and it DID touch
-225 with no board, I did NOT get it to touch
Then, I decided what the hell, I will just try the heavier weight and see how it feels.
So we put 275 on....
I did 275 for 2 reps with the 4 board with a heavy spot
Then I tried 275 for one more rep, and it wasn't happening.
I definitely had a spot on all of the sets, but my spotters both seem to think that 225 will be a foregone conclusion once I get the shirt to work properly. The good news is that I actually got the shirt to touch on a 2 board, so it is getting better. And it didn't leave nearly as many bruises and broken blood vessels on me this time.
I'm all over the place with the bar, I can't do it by myself yet, but it's coming along. The form is REALLY tough when all you are focusing on is how much the shirt hurts.
Awesome! if you touched a 2 board you are right where you need to be.
Focus on 225 and 245, try to do some doubles with no spot, don't let the spotter touch the bar at all after lift off, you need to get the groove down with the lighter weights. if your spotters help you guide the bar it actually makes the lift alot easier, try to only use your spotters for lift off and if you lose control.
once you can do triples off the 2 board with 225, bump it up to 245, and so on. Don't stack too much weight on there until you have perfect form. take your time.
Good luck.
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Awesome! if you touched a 2 board you are right where you need to be.
Focus on 225 and 245, try to do some doubles with no spot, don't let the spotter touch the bar at all after lift off, you need to get the groove down with the lighter weights. if your spotters help you guide the bar it actually makes the lift alot easier, try to only use your spotters for lift off and if you lose control.
once you can do triples off the 2 board with 225, bump it up to 245, and so on. Don't stack too much weight on there until you have perfect form. take your time.
Good luck.
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Thanks! I am gonna give it another go this weekend. I can tell that it'll take me a little while to get comfortable with the shirt and actually think about the lift and the form more than the discomfort. But I am pretty pleased with the progress I have made in three shirt workouts.
Thinking back, the first workout was hilarious, I was pretty much convinced there was no chance of getting it to work after that.
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Thanks! I am gonna give it another go this weekend. I can tell that it'll take me a little while to get comfortable with the shirt and actually think about the lift and the form more than the discomfort. But I am pretty pleased with the progress I have made in three shirt workouts.
Thinking back, the first workout was hilarious, I was pretty much convinced there was no chance of getting it to work after that.
You should be pleased, you are doing great. Give yourself some time and the discomfort isn't much, you just get used to it.
Good luck.
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I don't think that the mods on this board are online all that much.
This IS a great thread, at least from my perspective, despite the furry muslebear ass pic...tons of good info in here, I've learned alot. :)
I received quite a few reports about this kid. So, ill be on a often to keep the threads cleaned up
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I received quite a few reports about this kid. So, ill be on a often to keep the threads cleaned up
LOL thanks! ;)
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Last night was workout #2, board presses and close grips. I did legs Monday night for the first time in a while, and I am totally crippled...my legs and lower back were extremely sore last night, which did not make the chest workout go any easier.
I also trained alone, so I had to recruit spotters.
Board Presses - I used the 2-board and stuffed it under my shirt. 8)
175 x 5
180 x 5
180 x 5
180 x 5...last set was a struggle, I had a light spot on the last couple reps.
Close Grips - These feel really weird after doing board presses b/c the range of motion is so different, and my triceps were already tired. It felt like I was kinda all over the place with the bar on the second and third sets. :-\
135 x 5
140 x 5
140 x 5
I got them all by myself, but I wasn't confident in my spotter, and the last two sets really bothered my right shoulder. So I quit while I was ahead and did three sets x 6 of heavy tricep rope pulldowns.
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Tough shirt workout on Saturday.
My husband was sick, so I had a different spotter, who pretty much just let me do all of the pressing by myself and only jumped in if I was falling apart. This was good and bad, I guess. It made for a tough workout with the shirt, as I am just not used to it yet.
210 x 1 with the 3-board to get the shirt to settle in
210 x 2 with the 2-board...he let me go by myself...the first rep was super sloppy, the second rep was a total mess. So we decided to drop the weight so that I could get used to pressing it with the shirt and no spot.
195 x 2
195 x 2
195 x 2
195 x 2
The sets of 195 got better as I went along...the last set was nice and strong, and pretty clean.
Final set I tried 245 with the 4 board for 1 rep and did not get it at all.
I wasn't quite as excited about the shirt after this workout, as I didn't feel that it went so well. We put the sleeves on a little higher this time than before...the cuff was like more than an inch above my elbow, and it hurt A LOT. The shirt bit into the backs of my arms and all around my arm pits really bad, and left big, lumpy bruises all under my arms and on the backside of my triceps. >:(
The good news is that the crinkle across the chest is going away.
Anyway, I am switching things up starting this week and going chest work three times a week until the meet. I'll continue to work with the shirt at least once a week.
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Where exactly to put the cuff in relation to my elbow is something I've always struggled with..... With my goofily short arms, I always have to have at least an inch and a half taken off the sleeves of my bench shirts and even then it sometimes doesn't feel "right".
You sure you are going to work chest 3x per week until the contest? Thats a bit much if you ask me and a recipe to get weaker, not stronger.
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Where exactly to put the cuff in relation to my elbow is something I've always struggled with..... With my goofily short arms, I always have to have at least an inch and a half taken off the sleeves of my bench shirts and even then it sometimes doesn't feel "right".
You sure you are going to work chest 3x per week until the contest? Thats a bit much if you ask me and a recipe to get weaker, not stronger.
Up until this last time, I have always had the cuff just barely over the elbow, enough to bend my arm and that's about it. This time, it was up more, and DAMN it hurt alot. My right hand also went numb.
The workouts I have laid out are pretty short workouts, one day is shirt work, one day is board press work, and one day is work on explosive lifts. Not much else involved, no other tricep or shoulder work. I'm hoping to combine a back or leg day with one of these workouts so that I am only training four days a week.
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THat heavy iron is hard on the CNS. esp the misses at 100%.
Watch the volume. I agree with Vet. It does more in a few reps than hour long pumpy workouts will ever begin to.
Need chains and a 2nd shirt.
Chain is better feel than the sweetest Hammer machines. You can tailor the bulk of the chain to come on @ stick point suddenly, right when you have all your velocity up to max.
Teaches you to blow right thru it. There is no sticking point then.
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missing maxes creates a lot of psychological baggage along with the physical stress.
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Tough shirt workout on Saturday.
My husband was sick, so I had a different spotter, who pretty much just let me do all of the pressing by myself and only jumped in if I was falling apart. This was good and bad, I guess. It made for a tough workout with the shirt, as I am just not used to it yet.
210 x 1 with the 3-board to get the shirt to settle in
210 x 2 with the 2-board...he let me go by myself...the first rep was super sloppy, the second rep was a total mess. So we decided to drop the weight so that I could get used to pressing it with the shirt and no spot.
195 x 2
195 x 2
195 x 2
195 x 2
The sets of 195 got better as I went along...the last set was nice and strong, and pretty clean.
Final set I tried 245 with the 4 board for 1 rep and did not get it at all.
I wasn't quite as excited about the shirt after this workout, as I didn't feel that it went so well. We put the sleeves on a little higher this time than before...the cuff was like more than an inch above my elbow, and it hurt A LOT. The shirt bit into the backs of my arms and all around my arm pits really bad, and left big, lumpy bruises all under my arms and on the backside of my triceps. >:(
The good news is that the crinkle across the chest is going away.
Anyway, I am switching things up starting this week and going chest work three times a week until the meet. I'll continue to work with the shirt at least once a week.
Very nice workout, hitting those doubles to 195, excellent work ethic.
Remember: Never pause when doing board work. Always just touch and go on the board. Just wanted to clarify this.
Regarding the shirt, and that it may hurt on the arms: It actually may hurt more if you pull it up too much, as the seam can press on a nerve.
Also, make sure that the seam is slightly twisted on to the "outer" side of your upper arm. It should run approx one inch outside the elbow line.
Once again, great job.
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Very nice workout, hitting those doubles to 195, excellent work ethic.
Remember: Never pause when doing board work. Always just touch and go on the board. Just wanted to clarify this.
I think that depends on what you are trying to do with the boards. If you follow the advice of some (I forget if it was Jim Wendler at Elitefts or Sebastian Burns of Metal Militia where I heard this), they say to let the board "sink" into your chest at the bottom before "throwing the bar up over your head", which amounts to pausing in reality as you let the bar sink. Then others say touch and go with it while under control (again it was Jim or Sebastian, I can't remember which one). I think the real key is to not "slam" the bar off the board and bounce it. If you slam into the board, you can move more weight, but you run the risk of getting way out of your groove.
Regarding the shirt, and that it may hurt on the arms: It actually may hurt more if you pull it up too much, as the seam can press on a nerve.
Also, make sure that the seam is slightly twisted on to the "outer" side of your upper arm. It should run approx one inch outside the elbow line.
Once again, great job.
Ulnar nerve paralysis (the nerve the shirt will put pressure on) sucks, especially when its self induced with a bench shirt.
Hedge, do you understand what the deal is with twisting the sleeves of the bench shirt to help with lockout? Like I said in the earlier post, I've struggled with the correct position of the bench shirt on my short arms and have settled with the seam just on the outside of my triceps and the cuff just before the point of the elbow as the most "comfortable" position. I've read online about references to Metal shirts having slightly longer sleeves to allow twisting to help with lockout, but I sure can't seem to get that effect with the shirt I'm using (its not a Metal shirt). I'm wondering if I'm missing something with tweaking my shirt or what.
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I think that depends on what you are trying to do with the boards. If you follow the advice of some (I forget if it was Jim Wendler at Elitefts or Sebastian Burns of Metal Militia where I heard this), they say to let the board "sink" into your chest at the bottom before "throwing the bar up over your head", which amounts to pausing in reality as you let the bar sink. Then others say touch and go with it while under control (again it was Jim or Sebastian, I can't remember which one). I think the real key is to not "slam" the bar off the board and bounce it. If you slam into the board, you can move more weight, but you run the risk of getting way out of your groove.
Ulnar nerve paralysis (the nerve the shirt will put pressure on) sucks, especially when its self induced with a bench shirt.
My reason is, you don't pause there, you pause further down the ROM. And if you pause with a board, you will learn a flawed neural pattern.
Touch and go, because you want to keep the arch, avoiding, as you pointed out, the bar pushing down your arch.
JMO.
Hedge, do you understand what the deal is with twisting the sleeves of the bench shirt to help with lockout? Like I said in the earlier post, I've struggled with the correct position of the bench shirt on my short arms and have settled with the seam just on the outside of my triceps and the cuff just before the point of the elbow as the most "comfortable" position. I've read online about references to Metal shirts having slightly longer sleeves to allow twisting to help with lockout, but I sure can't seem to get that effect with the shirt I'm using (its not a Metal shirt). I'm wondering if I'm missing something with tweaking my shirt or what.
I am hoping you got a Titan, because those I know where the seam runs. ;D
If so, then the further towards the outer side of the arm you keep the seam, the more you will get from it, the shirt will be "more extreme" that way.
If you need to get the bar down more easily, keep the seam slightly on the inside, this is if you got an F6.
Of course, if you got a Katana, the seam is all different. But use the same technique - more lbs, seam on the outer side. -easier to get down, seam more towards the inner side.
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Simmons speaks of a reflex reaction from pause on boards, or box if Im not missunderstanding him.
Try a pause and heave. YOu'll like it. ;)
Touch and goes too. Mix it up.
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My reason is, you don't pause there, you pause further down the ROM. And if you pause with a board, you will learn a flawed neural pattern.
Touch and go, because you want to keep the arch, avoiding, as you pointed out, the bar pushing down your arch.
JMO.
I am hoping you got a Titan, because those I know where the seam runs. ;D
If so, then the further towards the outer side of the arm you keep the seam, the more you will get from it, the shirt will be "more extreme" that way.
If you need to get the bar down more easily, keep the seam slightly on the inside, this is if you got an F6.
Of course, if you got a Katana, the seam is all different. But use the same technique - more lbs, seam on the outer side. -easier to get down, seam more towards the inner side.
Unfortunately, I'm trying to learn a Rage X single plye now---its a new shirt that I think I'll get alot out of if I can figure it out. This one is modified somewhat, but isn't that extreme. That might be also why I'm having a hard time understanding/getting the "twisting" concept to work.
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Simmons speaks of a reflex reaction from pause on boards, or box if Im not missunderstanding him.
Try a pause and heave. YOu'll like it. ;)
Touch and goes too. Mix it up.
The pause Louie refers to is for box squatting, so you break up the concentric/eccentric portions of the lift. Its different with a bench press because you want to stay as tight as possible in your arch. You need to practice pausing so you don't get redlighted for a "touch and go", but at the same time, as Hedge pointed out you dont' want to break up your form.
It took me a while to learn to let the bar "sink" without loosing my arch. To me, leg tightness plays a big role
and again, the most important thing is to not bounce the bar off the boards.
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Unfortunately, I'm trying to learn a Rage X single plye now---its a new shirt that I think I'll get alot out of if I can figure it out. This one is modified somewhat, but isn't that extreme. That might be also why I'm having a hard time understanding/getting the "twisting" concept to work.
We have a few guys in Rage X actually, around 198-220 lbs, and they're getting pretty good results from that shirt.
Not too familiar with how the seam runs, but one thing that I've noticed is the high collar, if you won't have a problem with that, the Rage X could probably be really good shirt.
One thing I've noticed when pulling Rage X's, is that it's even more important, it's almost vital, than with the F6 to get the shirt pulled down hard in the sides, also make sure there's no gap between the armpit and the sleeve (pull the sleeves up the shoulders from behind).
Good luck with the shirt, and let us know how you get on with it. BTW, Metal is out with a new line in both shirt and squat and deadlift suits.
The squat suit is supposedly pretty good (I'll stick with my Centurion Super NXG+ though).
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We have a few guys in Rage X actually, around 198-220 lbs, and they're getting pretty good results from that shirt.
Not too familiar with how the seam runs, but one thing that I've noticed is the high collar, if you won't have a problem with that, the Rage X could probably be really good shirt.
One thing I've noticed when pulling Rage X's, is that it's even more important, it's almost vital, than with the F6 to get the shirt pulled down hard in the sides, also make sure there's no gap between the armpit and the sleeve (pull the sleeves up the shoulders from behind).
Good luck with the shirt, and let us know how you get on with it. BTW, Metal is out with a new line in both shirt and squat and deadlift suits.
The squat suit is supposedly pretty good (I'll stick with my Centurion Super NXG+ though).
Yeah, the neck problems I've had with a straight Rage X. If its not set just right, it'll practically choke you. I had the neck in this one dropped (I'm a natural low chest/belly bencher) and its a completely open back so its easier to get into--as a matter of fact its the easiest to get into poly shirt I've ever used. I'm just trying to pick apart little nuances to get the most out of the shirt.
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Very nice workout, hitting those doubles to 195, excellent work ethic.
Remember: Never pause when doing board work. Always just touch and go on the board. Just wanted to clarify this.
Regarding the shirt, and that it may hurt on the arms: It actually may hurt more if you pull it up too much, as the seam can press on a nerve.
Also, make sure that the seam is slightly twisted on to the "outer" side of your upper arm. It should run approx one inch outside the elbow line.
Once again, great job.
I think the seam must have been pressing on a nerve because my right arm hurt all the way down to my fingers for the rest of the night. I kept telling my husband that it felt like I pinched a nerve. :P
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Board Presses Last Night with the 2-Board
7 sets 180 pounds x 2
That was it. I trained alone and had to get a random spotter at the gym, and the sets were actually harder than I expected them to be. The first couple of sets were a struggle because the spotter wasn't giving me a good lift-off (he was lifting UP and practically lifting me right off the bench), so once we got that squared away, the final sets were actually better than the first ones.
I completely f-ed up the fourth set, I don't know what happened, but the bar hit the board and I just totally failed and couldn't get it up at all. It was a do-over, and once I focused more, I got the rest of the sets fine by myself.
I was tempted to do some shoulder work, but my left shoulder was hurting after I finished those sets, so I stopped there. What I really need to do is incorporate some back and leg work into my revised routine.
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Last Friday was a pretty tough shirt workout.
-2 board 195 x 2...with a spot. first couple of sets are always the worst for me.
-same thing again
-same thing again
-same thing again
Less spot every time. I got some of them OK, but some of them were a mess. It's not the weight, it's the shirt and my inability to make it work. I break form, I lose focus on my legs and staying tight, I get all thinking about the shirt and not the lift.
-1 board 200 x 1. I got it to touch the board, but then I basically had no leverage getting it off the board and needed help. I twisted a bit and struggled BAD once it was on the board.
After this, I was pretty frustrated, so we messed around with weight releasers.
-I put 45s on the weight releases and 45s on the bar, so I went down with 225 (to about the height of a 2 board) and up with 135.
-Then, I went down with 250 and up with 135.
So then, I took the shirt off, and practiced a bit with chains that weigh 40 pounds each side. I just did two sets of 5-6 with the bar and the 40 pound chains, just to see how they feel. The chains make the bar SUPER wobbly.
My shoulders are bothering me a bit, flaring up and aching, but I've taken three days off now, and I'll be back in the gym tomorrow, working with the chains later this week.
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Another tough workout tonight....Board presses with the 2 board
I trained alone, and recruited this dude to spot me. We had some "issues" with the lift offs (why do people insist on lifting UP so much when lifting OFF?), but we squared that away after a couple of sets. I tucked my board underneath my tee-shirt since I didn't have someone holding it for me.
-180 x 2
-180 x 2
-180 x 2
-180 x 2
-185 x 2 - This set was tough, and my arms were hurting by this point. I am having A LOT of pain in my shoulders and arms lately...I think it's my bicep tendons. They flare up during my workout to the point where both of my arms were starting to throb from the shoulders all the way to my fingertips.
-Sixth set was a DISASTER. I went for 185 x 2 again. I was tired, my arms hurt, and it was HEAVY. On the first rep, the bar came down a little higher on my chest than normal, hit the board, and the board flipped upwards on the opposite end, sending the bar sliding towards my face. I was not prepared for that, so I pretty much failed under the weight, and the bar came crashing towards my throat. My spotter took the cue when I yelled "F*CK!" and managed to grab the weight and pull it off me right before it crushed my throat. :o
That was definitely the closest I have ever come to being injured under the weight.
Not a very good experience, but at least I learned that the ole' tuck-the-board-under-the-shirt trick isn't a real good idea unless the shirt is really tight.
By this point, my arms and shoulders were killing me, so I did some abs and called it a night.
Why are all of these random things that never used to hurt starting to hurt? >:(
I think I need to start taking some ibuprofin before I train.
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I'd back off of a workout and do shoulder rotations and ice/heat them sore spots..
Massage,,, eat well..... This heavy stuff is hard on the joints in only a few reps.
Pump the shoulders full of blood w/ light & moderate weight shoulder rotations... Chain and light bands are great for them... Dont strain at it.
Have you ever dumped the plates off bar ends when stuck on the chest?
I never cap the ends so I can do that if need be. These spotters dont sound like you can trust them.
Pour the plates off one end, the other will take care of itself rather quickly. ;)
Ive only done it once,,,
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I'd back off of a workout and do shoulder rotations and ice/heat them sore spots..
Massage,,, eat well..... This heavy stuff is hard on the joints in only a few reps.
Pump the shoulders full of blood w/ light & moderate weight shoulder rotations... Chain and light bands are great for them... Dont strain at it.
Have you ever dumped the plates off bar ends when stuck on the chest?
I never cap the ends so I can do that if need be. These spotters dont sound like you can trust them.
Pour the plates off one end, the other will take care of itself rather quickly. ;)
Ive only done it once,,,
Yeah, I just took three days off of everything, but I'm noticing more flare up every time I train, no matter how much rest. Massage sounds very good, eating well would be a great idea too haha!
I've dumped once or twice, but this time, the bar was too far up my chest and was sliding down the board, towards my throat. There was no way I was getting it under control and dumping it...at least my spotter caught it before it crushed my throat. :D
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Are you wrapping your wrists at that weight?
Are you bringing the bar down to a good tight lat flare as a landing pad?
Squeeze that bar like your trying to Kill it! ANd, try to spread/stretch it like a band.
THose are things I can see letting the bar roll back easier.
You also got a hell-of-a lot of arch,,, more than lots of guys can pull off. That complicates that problem.
A good spotter is prolly necessary. You could do pin press at various height and skip boards next time till you get a spotter.?
I dont like the sounds of "Roll Back to Throat"... Average gym goers are to clueless to trust with carrying groceries, much less the bar.
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Are you wrapping your wrists at that weight?
Are you bringing the bar down to a good tight lat flare as a landing pad?
Squeeze that bar like your trying to Kill it! ANd, try to spread/stretch it like a band.
THose are things I can see letting the bar roll back easier.
You also got a hell-of-a lot of arch,,, more than lots of guys can pull off. That complicates that problem.
A good spotter is prolly necessary. You could do pin press at various height and skip boards next time till you get a spotter.?
I dont like the sounds of "Roll Back to Throat"... Average gym goers are to clueless to trust with carrying groceries, much less the bar.
ERrrrmmmmm I haven't been using wrist wraps as often as I should, I don't like them. I actually meant to use them last night, but I forgot. :-\
I don't like the sounds of "roll back to throat" either LOL, and I didn't really enjoy seeing the bar come sliding towards my face at an increasing weight. The spotter could have been a little quicker, but damn, I was thankful he grabbed it when he did.
The arch is definitely part of it....a big arch, no one holding the board on my chest, and wearing a loose t-shirt - a recipe for disaster, I suppose.
Next time, I will make sure I get someone to hold the damn board on my chest.
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ERrrrmmmmm I haven't been using wrist wraps as often as I should, I don't like them. I actually meant to use them last night, but I forgot. :-\
I don't like the sounds of "roll back to throat" either LOL, and I didn't really enjoy seeing the bar come sliding towards my face at an increasing weight. The spotter could have been a little quicker, but damn, I was thankful he grabbed it when he did.
The arch is definitely part of it....a big arch, no one holding the board on my chest, and wearing a loose t-shirt - a recipe for disaster, I suppose.
Next time, I will make sure I get someone to hold the damn board on my chest.
Your progress is amazing rip! DAMN GIRL! Looking REAL good and looks like you're going to hit 225 and keep going! Are you having ahard time keeping your arch? I am trying my best to get the biggest damn arch I can but I always sink down on the way down. Do you keep your legs tight when you do it? i'm thinking that might be the part I'm not getting right....the driving my toes into the floor part. And wrist wraps are a GODSEND! Once you get used to them it helps me bench wiht alot more confidence and I don't have any more wrist pain at all! prowriststraps.com has the convict pros that I'm in love with. Those bad boys are like wearing a fucking cast! ;D
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Your progress is amazing rip! DAMN GIRL! Looking REAL good and looks like you're going to hit 225 and keep going! Are you having ahard time keeping your arch? I am trying my best to get the biggest damn arch I can but I always sink down on the way down. Do you keep your legs tight when you do it? i'm thinking that might be the part I'm not getting right....the driving my toes into the floor part. And wrist wraps are a GODSEND! Once you get used to them it helps me bench wiht alot more confidence and I don't have any more wrist pain at all! prowriststraps.com has the convict pros that I'm in love with. Those bad boys are like wearing a fucking cast! ;D
Thanks! I'm kinda frustrated right now! :P
When I started working on the arch a few months ago, I found that it was hard to maintain it during the lift, but I got better with practice. The first day I tried to bench with an arch, I tweeked my back so bad I had to go to the chiropractor. ;D
Keeping tight through your entire body, including the legs, and pushing from the ground helps, but it's SO hard to remember to do all of this at the same time and still focus on the lift. It's even harder when you start working with the shirt and can't think about much of anything other than how much it hurts. I'm pretty good now at benching decent weight RAW (like in the 165-175 range) with a big arch and good form, but when I put the shirt on, everything kinda falls apart. I guess this will come with practice too.
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This is just the way it goes when you don't have a GOOD coach or spotter there in person.
Just keep pressing on and if you don't feel comfortable just go a little lighter, it takes YEARS to get all this stuff down to where you are comfortable and smooth with each press.
Sounds like your spotter isn't very educated in powerlifting, most people have no idea how to spot someone for a real bench press attempt. the arch and elbow tuck can makes things get messy real quick. like I've said before i know what it's like to catch a barbell on the neck and it sucks ass, but you have to get past it.
Just keep practicing and don't get frustrated, it is a learning process and you are still a beginner...just stay focused and positive.
One thing is that i believe you are overtraining, just training too frequently. your layout is great but if your arms and shoulders are hurting like that you are overworking them. external rotator cuff exercises may help but i think you need more rest between bench sessions. this is just my opinion and i always think about the "long run". if they are bothering you now, what's it going to be like in 2-3 years? just my .02, i've had my share of aches and pains over the years, now i try to prevent them as much as i can so i can lift the rest of my life...
Good luck, you are doing great!
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ERrrrmmmmm I haven't been using wrist wraps as often as I should, I don't like them. I actually meant to use them last night, but I forgot. :-\
I don't like the sounds of "roll back to throat" either LOL, and I didn't really enjoy seeing the bar come sliding towards my face at an increasing weight. The spotter could have been a little quicker, but damn, I was thankful he grabbed it when he did.
The arch is definitely part of it....a big arch, no one holding the board on my chest, and wearing a loose t-shirt - a recipe for disaster, I suppose.
Next time, I will make sure I get someone to hold the damn board on my chest.
Do you have a power rack available? Seriously, if you are that worried about the spotters, get someone to give you a lift off and then dump the weight if you can't get it. There is little difference in my mind about dropping the weight on the pins of a rack or someone grabbing it and pulling it off of you if you fail on the attempt except for the safety issue. The rack will protect you. Then use a regular bench when you've got a reliable spotter.
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Do you have a power rack available? Seriously, if you are that worried about the spotters, get someone to give you a lift off and then dump the weight if you can't get it. There is little difference in my mind about dropping the weight on the pins of a rack or someone grabbing it and pulling it off of you if you fail on the attempt except for the safety issue. The rack will protect you. Then use a regular bench when you've got a reliable spotter.
Bingo. I stopped asking people to spot me anymore... the only people I trust are the guys at meets now.
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This is just the way it goes when you don't have a GOOD coach or spotter there in person.
Just keep pressing on and if you don't feel comfortable just go a little lighter, it takes YEARS to get all this stuff down to where you are comfortable and smooth with each press.
Sounds like your spotter isn't very educated in powerlifting, most people have no idea how to spot someone for a real bench press attempt. the arch and elbow tuck can makes things get messy real quick. like I've said before i know what it's like to catch a barbell on the neck and it sucks ass, but you have to get past it.
Just keep practicing and don't get frustrated, it is a learning process and you are still a beginner...just stay focused and positive.
One thing is that i believe you are overtraining, just training too frequently. your layout is great but if your arms and shoulders are hurting like that you are overworking them. external rotator cuff exercises may help but i think you need more rest between bench sessions. this is just my opinion and i always think about the "long run". if they are bothering you now, what's it going to be like in 2-3 years? just my .02, i've had my share of aches and pains over the years, now i try to prevent them as much as i can so i can lift the rest of my life...
Good luck, you are doing great!
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Thanks, I'm a total beginner LOL, and I am learning ALOT. I tend to get frustrated because I like to make progress pretty much every time I train, even though I know that can't happen for a lot of reasons. The shirt is frustrating to work with anyway, nevermind that it's my first time trying to use it. And I don't think that the Titan F6 is exactly a "beginner" shirt. 8)
I'm doing the rotator cuff exercises at least once a week. I think I missed them last week, but I'm gonna throw them into my next workout. The rest thing is weird for me because I am training SO much less frequently than I do when I prep for a BB show, and the workouts are shorter. I'm down to four times a week MAX, and that includes whatever back and leg work I manage to squeeze in. It took me a while to get out of the BB mindset too.
Rest between chest workouts is like 2-3 days, and then the workouts themselves are much shorter than I used to do, even though the weight is heavier and the sets themselves are harder. That's why it seems strange to me to start feeling aches and pains now as opposed to when I am prepping for a BB show and I am in the gym six times a week and doing a ton of cardio on top of the lifting. But I guess it doesn't take much when you got the heavy weight working the joints and tendons. I'm also getting old, which doesn't help. :P
Do you have a power rack available? Seriously, if you are that worried about the spotters, get someone to give you a lift off and then dump the weight if you can't get it. There is little difference in my mind about dropping the weight on the pins of a rack or someone grabbing it and pulling it off of you if you fail on the attempt except for the safety issue. The rack will protect you. Then use a regular bench when you've got a reliable spotter.
No power rack at either of the two gyms I train at right now. I would love to use one when I train alone!
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Tonight I was supposed to work with the chains, but another foot of snow put a damper on me dragging 80 pounds of chain into the gym by myself. I did, light explosive reps instead, and I managed to get in a little back/bi work.
-6 sets 135 x 2, pause at bottom, explosive. I widened my grip a bit, index finger on ring instead of ring finger, and I liked it.
-4 sets Hammer Strength lat pulldown 70 pounds per side x 10
-4 sets light DB bicep curls x 15
-3 sets rotator cuffs, with the cables and 10 pounds x 12 reps per side. These burn, but in a good way.
It was a good workout, 135 felt light, and nothing hurt. :)
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my advice to you right now... take at least until the 26th off and give your system a rest. I gaurentee you'll come back strong as fuck from giving your CNS a break. DAMN you loev to bench..but you're stalling out it seems. Sounds like you need to do a lil deload or stay out of the gym for a good 4-5 days...
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2nd that.
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LOL I hear ya. I swear, I'm resting more than I ever have in my life! I am taking multiple days totally off, which used to make me mental! :D
The only thing I will be doing between now and Christmas is working with the shirt one day...I can't skip that!
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LOL I hear ya. I swear, I'm resting more than I ever have in my life! I am taking multiple days totally off, which used to make me mental! :D
The only thing I will be doing between now and Christmas is working with the shirt one day...I can't skip that!
hahah you need to suck it up and take it from someone that can't stand to NOT workout... stay out of the gym... until christmas is past..i PROMISE IT'LL WORK! If you don't come back stronger than ever I'll delete my account. That's how sure I am of this. I had to take 5 days off and get my shit back together and sure enough... I've done better this week than I hvae in months. DO IT DAMMIT!
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I love to train! But I didn't bench today! :D
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hahah you need to suck it up and take it from someone that can't stand to NOT workout... stay out of the gym... until christmas is past..i PROMISE IT'LL WORK! If you don't come back stronger than ever I'll delete my account. That's how sure I am of this. I had to take 5 days off and get my shit back together and sure enough... I've done better this week than I hvae in months. DO IT DAMMIT!
I'll second this! I love to get in and workout EVERY chance I get but with PL and Strongman, YOU JUST CANT! I have overtrained more times in Strongman than I ever did BBing and I only work it 3 days a week versus 5-6. I am back in Westside mode (4 days/week) and it feels great due to all the recovery time. You max once a week on Westside and there is good reason.
But I must say that what you have done previous seems to be working incredibly well for you! Just take a lil recovery time.
Good luck! ;D
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OK not so much by choice, but I did take your suggestions and haven't trained in quite a few days. Gonna try to hit the gym tomorrow or Friday with the bench shirt...I skipped my shirt workout last weekend and haven't trained at all this week. If I can get two chest workouts in this week (I'm out of town), it'll be board work and then shirt work. If not, then I am just gonna do my shirt work and get back to my regular routine next week.
Wicked, no need to delete your account!
So there! I feel fat and gross. :P
OH, I got 80 pounds of huge chains for Christmas. ;D
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OK not so much by choice, but I did take your suggestions and haven't trained in quite a few days. Gonna try to hit the gym tomorrow or Friday with the bench shirt...I skipped my shirt workout last weekend and haven't trained at all this week. If I can get two chest workouts in this week (I'm out of town), it'll be board work and then shirt work. If not, then I am just gonna do my shirt work and get back to my regular routine next week.
Wicked, no need to delete your account!
So there! I feel fat and gross. :P
OH, I got 80 pounds of huge chains for Christmas. ;D
this means we better see 225 or better fall this next bench session..
now go get'em fatty! ;D
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OK! I waited until yesterday (not really by choice :D) to do a chest workout. So that was nine days. I only went to the gym once during that time, to do a back/traps workout.
I did some work with the shirt, after I did a few sets of bench press just to get back into the swing of things.
warmup
-135 x 6
-155 x 5
-155 x 5
I struggled with the last couple of reps on the sets of 155, which really surprised me.
Then I put the shirt on and did five or six sets of 225 x 2 as low as I could go, with my husband spotting me. The first couple of sets were rough, as I was struggling with the shirt and not really popping off the bottom. I got it down to about a 3 board for the first couple of sets, and then probably about a 2-board for the last few sets. The last set was pretty good...even though I didn't get the bar all the way down (I still had 3-4 inches to go), I pretty much moved the weight by myself, and it didn't feel terrible. The shirt is still a total pain in the ass, and I haven't exactly figure it out yet. :P
I also did three sets of rotator cuffs x 15, on the cables with light weights.
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Nice Rip! your almost there.
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OK! I waited until yesterday (not really by choice :D) to do a chest workout. So that was nine days. I only went to the gym once during that time, to do a back/traps workout.
I did some work with the shirt, after I did a few sets of bench press just to get back into the swing of things.
warmup
-135 x 6
-155 x 5
-155 x 5
I struggled with the last couple of reps on the sets of 155, which really surprised me.
Then I put the shirt on and did five or six sets of 225 x 2 as low as I could go, with my husband spotting me. The first couple of sets were rough, as I was struggling with the shirt and not really popping off the bottom. I got it down to about a 3 board for the first couple of sets, and then probably about a 2-board for the last few sets. The last set was pretty good...even though I didn't get the bar all the way down (I still had 3-4 inches to go), I pretty much moved the weight by myself, and it didn't feel terrible. The shirt is still a total pain in the ass, and I haven't exactly figure it out yet. :P
I also did three sets of rotator cuffs x 15, on the cables with light weights.
Stop using the boards in your shirt. It jacks your groove up.
Jason
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Stop using the boards in your shirt. It jacks your groove up.
Jason
You think? I can't touch the bar to my chest yet, so the boards seem to come in pretty handy!
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Im not sure if he thinks your puttin the boards under the Bench shirt... Too tight for that I thought?
Sounds like you need more strength/ control off the chest.
That and just get it to touch.
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Im not sure if he thinks your puttin the boards under the Bench shirt... Too tight for that I thought?
Sounds like you need more strength/ control off the chest.
That and just get it to touch.
Yep, pretty much.
The boards definitely go on top of the shirt, not under.
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Yep, pretty much.
The boards definitely go on top of the shirt, not under.
Thanks. Ive never benched in a shirt before ::)
Jason
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Thanks. Ive never benched in a shirt before ::)
Jason
hahaha CLEARLY. ::)
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hahaha CLEARLY. ::)
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Oh brother :D ;D ;D
Jason
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You think? I can't touch the bar to my chest yet, so the boards seem to come in pretty handy!
The boards are a must, just keep doing what you're doing.
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You think? I can't touch the bar to my chest yet, so the boards seem to come in pretty handy!
It really depends on who you talk to about that. Some people (like JPegg here) say don't use the boards with your shirt because it throws you off your groove. Others say you have to use the boards to build top end strength. I'm of mixed opinions about it. For me, I'm breaking my new RageX without boards. I just keep loading the weight on doing partial presses until I could touch. I figure it'll take me about 6-7 weeks total (2 weeks with shirt work, 1 week off). My wife on the other hand would be dead in the water if she didn't use the boards. Its really differences in our bench styles. I'm a thick bodied, long armed, natural "belly bencher" and I'm finding out that my natural groove matches the Rage X's really,really well. My wife is still learning with her long arms.
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It really depends on who you talk to about that. Some people (like JPegg here) say don't use the boards with your shirt because it throws you off your groove. Others say you have to use the boards to build top end strength. I'm of mixed opinions about it. For me, I'm breaking my new RageX without boards. I just keep loading the weight on doing partial presses until I could touch. I figure it'll take me about 6-7 weeks total (2 weeks with shirt work, 1 week off). My wife on the other hand would be dead in the water if she didn't use the boards. Its really differences in our bench styles. I'm a thick bodied, long armed, natural "belly bencher" and I'm finding out that my natural groove matches the Rage X's really,really well. My wife is still learning with her long arms.
Im all about board work...Just not in a shirt :D. That is what I was saying.
Jason
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Im all about board work...Just not in a shirt :D. That is what I was saying.
Jason
Oh, I understand that. I should have been clearer in my post----boards are pretty much a must do in my opinion for anyone to have a big bench.
Just out of curiosity, how long are your arms? It seems like the people I've talked too who were against using boards for shirt work were all taller, longer armed, but those who were for it were built like me, short, thick chested and short armed.
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I did a very light workout on New Years Eve...seven sets 135 x 2, worked on form, explosiveness, etc.
I'm planning on bringing the chains into the gym tomorrow and looking forward to it.
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I did a very light workout on New Years Eve...seven sets 135 x 2, worked on form, explosiveness, etc.
I'm planning on bringing the chains into the gym tomorrow and looking forward to it.
Chains are awesome!
i bet you enjoy training with them, i always did.
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How do you hook the chains to the bar? Could someone expain the concept of training with chains and how you would set it up? I semi-understand.
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How do you hook the chains to the bar? Could someone expain the concept of training with chains and how you would set it up? I semi-understand.
How about you type in chains and benchpress on youtube.
Start out with that.
Should give you a pretty good idea.
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How about you type in chains and benchpress on youtube.
Start out with that.
Should give you a pretty good idea.
Yeah figured I could do that. But asked the question cause maybe others could learn and it might bring up good conversation and debate on the subject. Therefore people may get some new insight or ideas.
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Yeah figured I could do that. But asked the question cause maybe others could learn and it might bring up good conversation and debate on the subject. Therefore people may get some new insight or ideas.
Ok.
The point is really to simulate the shirted lift, ie a lift that gets progressively lighter the lower the bar gets (the shirt stretches then).
This training will target the triceps, an interesting side effect is that you work the stabilizing muscles in the shoulders and torso as well, since the bar becomes a little more rocky.
Chains offer a more true groove when you press, ie the bar will move fairly similar to when you do the regular benchpress.
With bands, the bar is locked more into a straight up-and-down motion.
The chains offer a linear increase of the weight, ie if the bar is 5 lbs lighter after being lowered the two first inches, then it will 10 lbs lighter after lowered four inches.
Chains are easier than bands to use when squatting IMHO.
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Thanks I would think the chains would be better than bands myself. A band stores some energy sort of. Man I bet squatting with chains would also be very interesting. Damn I bet if someone could rig it up right you could use them for about any body part.
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Ok.
The point is really to simulate the shirted lift, ie a lift that gets progressively lighter the lower the bar gets (the shirt stretches then).
This training will target the triceps, an interesting side effect is that you work the stabilizing muscles in the shoulders and torso as well, since the bar becomes a little more rocky.
Chains offer a more true groove when you press, ie the bar will move fairly similar to when you do the regular benchpress.
With bands, the bar is locked more into a straight up-and-down motion.
The chains offer a linear increase of the weight, ie if the bar is 5 lbs lighter after being lowered the two first inches, then it will 10 lbs lighter after lowered four inches.
Chains are easier than bands to use when squatting IMHO.
Exactly.
I always had great results using chains for bench and dead lifts.
now i need to try that "hangbar bench" you showed me...looks tough.
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2008 APF Northeastern Open Bench Press
Saturday, February 23
See you there!
Times:
Competitor Check In & Weigh In: 10am-11am
Rules Briefing & Lifters Warm Up: 11:30am
Lifting: Noon
Venue:
NUTRITION 101
expanded and renovated powerlifting facility
865 Second St
Manchester, NH 03102
Divisions:
We shall offer RAW and Standard (shirted) competition for all divisions
Mens Open (114, 123, 132, 148, 165, 181, 198, 220, 242, 275, 308, SHW), *Womens Open (1 class),
*Teen(13-19), *Junior(20-23), *Submaster(33-39), *Master(40+, 50+)
*By Formula
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Good luck at your meet!
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Thanks TU.
I used the chains last night for the first time, and it was pretty fun.
Funny thing happened though. We are in the process of joining a new gym...we've been at our old gym for a few years now, and it's getting run down and gross, and the new manager is a cranky bitch. It's always pretty empty in there, though, and they usually leave us alone and let us do whatever we want.
We were weary of bringing the chains into the new gym, so we actually decided not to bother and went over to the old gym. They stopped us on the way in the door, and the bitchy manager was like "NO way. I don't want you starting this stuff here because then everyone is going to start doing it. I don't want to start something like this." ??? ::)
So we left and went over to the new gym...they were like "Sure, no problem."
The chains weigh 80 pounds. I did:
-2 sets x 3 with 95 pounds on the bar
-3 sets x 3 with 115 pounds on the bar
We set the chains up so that all of the weight was off the ground at the top end, but they are on the longer side, so all of the weight was not on the ground at the bottom end. These are borrowed chains...we have to cut and set up mine from the long piece of chain I got for Christmas. When I do, I think I need to make the chains shorter and hang them closer to the ground, if that makes any sense.
It was pretty cool, I like working with them. I did the sets without a spot, but I was definitely wobbly...the bar was moving back and forth a bit.
I also did 4 sets of relatively light bicep curls and an ab workout.
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Thanks TU.
I used the chains last night for the first time, and it was pretty fun.
Funny thing happened though. We are in the process of joining a new gym...we've been at our old gym for a few years now, and it's getting run down and gross, and the new manager is a cranky bitch. It's always pretty empty in there, though, and they usually leave us alone and let us do whatever we want.
We were weary of bringing the chains into the new gym, so we actually decided not to bother and went over to the old gym. They stopped us on the way in the door, and the bitchy manager was like "NO way. I don't want you starting this stuff here because then everyone is going to start doing it. I don't want to start something like this." ??? ::)
So we left and went over to the new gym...they were like "Sure, no problem."
The chains weigh 80 pounds. I did:
-2 sets x 3 with 95 pounds on the bar
-3 sets x 3 with 115 pounds on the bar
We set the chains up so that all of the weight was off the ground at the top end, but they are on the longer side, so all of the weight was not on the ground at the bottom end. These are borrowed chains...we have to cut and set up mine from the long piece of chain I got for Christmas. When I do, I think I need to make the chains shorter and hang them closer to the ground, if that makes any sense.
It was pretty cool, I like working with them. I did the sets without a spot, but I was definitely wobbly...the bar was moving back and forth a bit.
I also did 4 sets of relatively light bicep curls and an ab workout.
All you want to do is set them up so the chains are completely deloaded at the bottom. Leave a few links on the grpund at the top too if you value your shoulders!
Jason
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All you want to do is set them up so the chains are completely deloaded at the bottom. Leave a few links on the grpund at the top too if you value your shoulders!
Jason
Cool thanks. Our piece of chain is 12 feet, so we can cut it perfect for my size. 8)
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I did a shirt workout today, despite being sick with a cold. I'm not feeling terrible, but definitely coughing and sneezing, and not 100%. However, the shirt workout was kick ass, the best one I've done yet. I did all of the reps by myself, and they were pretty clean for the most part. I wasn't all over the place, and they felt pretty good.
(I did use the boards with the shirt, they really help as I cannot touch the bar to my chest yet.)
3 board 195 pounds x 2
2 board 195 x 2
2 board 205 x 2
2 board 205 x 2
2 board 215 x 2
2 board 215 x 2
1 board 195 x 1
1 board 195 x 2
I was gonna end with one really heavy rep on the 3 board, but I was totally pooped out at this point, and my shoulders were starting to hurt. ALL of the sets went well, at least from my perspective.
After that, I ate a double cheeseburger ;D, went and signed up at a new gym, and did my rotator cuff work - 3 sets x 15 reps.
More good news is that I'm down 4 pounds since the meet I did in early November, and I haven't really been trying to lose weight.
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I did a shirt workout today, despite being sick with a cold. I'm not feeling terrible, but definitely coughing and sneezing, and not 100%. However, the shirt workout was kick ass, the best one I've done yet. I did all of the reps by myself, and they were pretty clean for the most part. I wasn't all over the place, and they felt pretty good.
(I did use the boards with the shirt, they really help as I cannot touch the bar to my chest yet.)
3 board 195 pounds x 2
2 board 195 x 2
2 board 205 x 2
2 board 205 x 2
2 board 215 x 2
2 board 215 x 2
1 board 195 x 1
1 board 195 x 2
I was gonna end with one really heavy rep on the 3 board, but I was totally pooped out at this point, and my shoulders were starting to hurt. ALL of the sets went well, at least from my perspective.
After that, I ate a double cheeseburger ;D, went and signed up at a new gym, and did my rotator cuff work - 3 sets x 15 reps.
More good news is that I'm down 4 pounds since the meet I did in early November, and I haven't really been trying to lose weight.
that's a well deserved double cheeseburger, hope it was a good one and not a little candy ass Mickey D's double. :D
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No light workout early this week, I've been sick in bed for two days with a terrible cold. I'm glad I got that shirt workout in, but I went downhill pretty quickly afterwards. Going to the doctor today and praying that I don't have pneumonia...my husband was sick with it for a month recently.
OH and it was a double cheeseburger from Wendy's, not that much better. :P
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No light workout early this week, I've been sick in bed for two days with a terrible cold. I'm glad I got that shirt workout in, but I went downhill pretty quickly afterwards. Going to the doctor today and praying that I don't have pneumonia...my husband was sick with it for a month recently.
OH and it was a double cheeseburger from Wendy's, not that much better. :P
Wendy's burgers are a million times better than McDonald's. :D
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Wendy's burgers are a million times better than McDonald's. :D
Hell, yeah... too bad you don't have an In and Out up there in the NE states.
White Castle isn't so bad though.
:)
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Hell, yeah... too bad you don't have an In and Out up there in the NE states.
White Castle isn't so bad though.
:)
Not many White Castle's left around here. My husband looooooooves Sonic, but we don't have them up here. We eat alot of Sonic when we visit Nashville, it's a tradition. ;D
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Not many White Castle's left around here. My husband looooooooves Sonic, but we don't have them up here. We eat alot of Sonic when we visit Nashville, it's a tradition. ;D
Sonic is also a pretty good stop... They have bomb ass shakes.
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here's some motivation Rip.
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here's some motivation Rip.
something aint right....
that wieght's moving damn near sideways on it's way up
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I dunno.... She moves the weight better than me right now for sure.
BIG girl! :o
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I did a shirt workout yesterday, after being sick most of the week. I didn't do anything this week except back on Friday evening. And then the shirt workout Sat.
I replaced the big belt I was using with just a little rope drawstring belt from my dress closet lol. It made a huge difference with the boards because now the boards weren't resting on the belt. All of a sudden, hitting the 2 board was a lot further down.
For whatever reason, the shirt felt a ton tighter on my chest and arms yesterday versus last week. I must have been retaining water. ::)
I was feeling maybe 80% for this workout. I started with 205 and planned on going up, but I was struggling with 205. The belt made a huge difference.
3 board 205 x 2
2 board 205 x 2
1 board 205 x 1 (this one didn't go very well, the next sets were progressively better)
1 board 205 x 1
1 board 205 x 1
Then I dropped it to 185 and tried to touch my chest. I didn't get it to touch, I was about an inch or so away.
The shirt bit me HARD all around my underarms (on my chest and triceps)...I have these dark purple lines and bruises across my chest and on the underside of my arms. :P
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I have these dark purple lines and bruises across my chest and on the underside of my arms. :P
Pics ???
;D
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Pics ???
;D
haha it ain't very pretty. No permanent damage though. :D
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Short and sweet speed workout last night, very light.
Assuming my 1RM is somewhere around 180 right now, 60% is 118, so I went with 120.
(EDIT: I just realized that I did the math wrong...60% of 180 is 108, so I prolly could have gone a little lighter. ::))
5 sets 120 x 2. Nice, long pause at the chest, and as much speed off the bottom as I could.
3 sets rotator cuff x 15
2 sets light DB bicep curls x 12
2 sets crunches, 2 sets leglifts (dreaded! :P)
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Short and sweet speed workout last night, very light.
Assuming my 1RM is somewhere around 180 right now, 60% is 118, so I went with 120.
(EDIT: I just realized that I did the math wrong...60% of 180 is 108, so I prolly could have gone a little lighter. ::))
5 sets 120 x 2. Nice, long pause at the chest, and as much speed off the bottom as I could.
3 sets rotator cuff x 15
2 sets light DB bicep curls x 12
2 sets crunches, 2 sets leglifts (dreaded! :P)
Really? Really? Good thing you're not a physicist.
;D
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Really? Really? Good thing you're not a physicist.
;D
Math is actually one of my strongest subjects! lol
The worst part about it is that the person who set up the workout for me GAVE me the correct numbers...instead of writing the numbers down, I wrote down "60-65% of 1RM" and then proceeded to calculate it incorrectly at the gym. ::)
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Math is actually one of my strongest subjects! lol
The worst part about it is that the person who set up the workout for me GAVE me the correct numbers...instead of writing the numbers down, I wrote down "60-65% of 1RM" and then proceeded to calculate it incorrectly at the gym. ::)
Haha... It really is usually some other dumbasses fault.
Good to see you're sticking to the plan though... You're really going to do well in Feb.
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Haha... It really is usually some other dumbasses fault.
Good to see you're sticking to the plan though... You're really going to do well in Feb.
Nope, the only dumbass was me. ;D
No biggie though, all in all, it is going pretty good. Thanks!
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I FINALLY received my competition belt in the mail today from Titan.
It's really nice...a custom made blue competition belt with double hooks. I ordered it like almost two months ago....problem is now I don't really want to use it. ;D
I think I like the nice little, thin dress belt that just holds the shirt down and doesn't get in the way. The Titan belt is a bit cumbersome and very stiff. Not sure if I could even break it in by the bench meet.
I'm gonna keep it of course...I'm sure I will use it at some point.
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I FINALLY received my competition belt in the mail today from Titan.
It's really nice...a custom made blue competition belt with double hooks. I ordered it like almost two months ago....problem is now I don't really want to use it. ;D
I think I like the nice little, thin dress belt that just holds the shirt down and doesn't get in the way. The Titan belt is a bit cumbersome and very stiff. Not sure if I could even break it in by the bench meet.
I'm gonna keep it of course...I'm sure I will use it at some point.
i've never been able to get a good arch with a thick belt, i always used a regular belt i'd normaly use when i wear jeans.
8)
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i've never been able to get a good arch with a thick belt, i always used a regular belt i'd normaly use when i wear jeans.
8)
Yeah that's what I am talking about. I call it a dress belt lol, but it's a canvas belt to wear with a pair of jeans. It works well to hold the shirt down, and that's all I need.
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I did a pretty killer board workout tonight. I may have done a couple sets too many, but I wanted to get up to a 3 rep max, and I kept adding weight till I did. I probably should have increased the weight more rapidly at the beginning of the workout.
RAW 2 BOARD
170 x 3
175 x 3
180 x 3
185 x 3
190 x 3
195 x 3 8)
175 x 3
175 x 3
175 x 3
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Short and sweet speed workout last night, very light.
Assuming my 1RM is somewhere around 180 right now, 60% is 118, so I went with 120.
(EDIT: I just realized that I did the math wrong...60% of 180 is 108, so I prolly could have gone a little lighter. ::))
5 sets 120 x 2. Nice, long pause at the chest, and as much speed off the bottom as I could.
3 sets rotator cuff x 15
2 sets light DB bicep curls x 12
2 sets crunches, 2 sets leglifts (dreaded! :P)
post video's
I showed you mine.......now you show me yours !
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post video's
I showed you mine.......now you show me yours !
;D
haha I'm shy. :-[ ;D
I'll post up vids from the bench meet next month.
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Sounds like you are pretty strong Rip keep it up! Nice job on the training. Looking forward to seeing how your upcomming meet goes :)
Have you revised the amount of weight you think you will be able to do?
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Sounds like you are pretty strong Rip keep it up! Nice job on the training. Looking forward to seeing how your upcomming meet goes :)
Have you revised the amount of weight you think you will be able to do?
No, I am still struggling with the shirt, finding the groove, etc. I haven't even gotten the bar to touch my chest yet with the shirt on, which makes me very nervous about the meet in 5 weeks lol.
It's not so much a matter of strength as it is technique and ability to work the shirt, so I think I'll be lucky if I can get 225.
Learning how to use the shirt has been a major challenge.
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I FINALLY received my competition belt in the mail today from Titan.
It's really nice...a custom made blue competition belt with double hooks. I ordered it like almost two months ago....problem is now I don't really want to use it. ;D
I think I like the nice little, thin dress belt that just holds the shirt down and doesn't get in the way. The Titan belt is a bit cumbersome and very stiff. Not sure if I could even break it in by the bench meet.
I'm gonna keep it of course...I'm sure I will use it at some point.
I use a $15 wall mart belt with the pad cut out of it for benching. Works well if you want something with a bit of support without going with a full sized belt. What kind of shirt do you use? You probably mentioned it before but I am to lazy to look for it.
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I use a $15 wall mart belt with the pad cut out of it for benching. Works well if you want something with a bit of support without going with a full sized belt. What kind of shirt do you use? You probably mentioned it before but I am to lazy to look for it.
I'm using a Titan F6. This is what it looked like the first time I managed to get it on. I'm still breaking it in!
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haha girl's moving up so fast she's doing triples now! ;D
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I'm using a Titan F6. This is what it looked like the first time I managed to get it on. I'm still breaking it in!
I just got an F6 a couple weeks ago. I used one about a year ago but at the time I didn't have enough arch to get it to work. Making sure the collar is right up at your neck should help you touch. You might want to get the same shirt one size bigger for training. Doing full range doubles and triples in a training shirt really helped me learn how to use a shirt properly.
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Shirt workout tonight. I noticed that the collar is right up there by my neck. I tried to touch tonight...came damn close, but just couldn't get it. Sooooo close! :P
I moved all the weight by myself, so I felt pretty good about it even though I didn't touch. And I used a small canvas belt that didn't get in the way.
3 board (just to set the shirt) 205 x 2
2 board 205 x 2
1 board 205 x 2
1 board 225 x 2
1 board 225 x 2
No Board 225 x 1 (very close!)
No Board 225 x 1 (not as close lol, I was starting to poop out)
3 Board 275 x 1 (this was a major struggle lol, I thought I popped a few blood vessels in my face on this one ;D)
For the first time tonight, I felt confident that 225 won't be a problem if only I can get this fkn shirt to work.
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Shirt workout tonight. I noticed that the collar is right up there by my neck. I tried to touch tonight...came damn close, but just couldn't get it. Sooooo close! :P
I moved all the weight by myself, so I felt pretty good about it even though I didn't touch. And I used a small canvas belt that didn't get in the way.
3 board (just to set the shirt) 205 x 2
2 board 205 x 2
1 board 205 x 2
1 board 225 x 2
1 board 225 x 2
No Board 225 x 1 (very close!)
No Board 225 x 1 (not as close lol, I was starting to poop out)
3 Board 275 x 1 (this was a major struggle lol, I thought I popped a few blood vessels in my face on this one ;D)
For the first time tonight, I felt confident that 225 won't be a problem if only I can get this fkn shirt to work.
How much do you think you can bench right now without the shirt?
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How much do you think you can bench right now without the shirt?
Hard to say...I haven't maxed out raw in a long time.
But I am definitely getting stronger. And given that I can press 195 for three with the 2 board, I'd like to think that my 1RM is up to 185 by now. 8)
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Hard to say...I haven't maxed out raw in a long time.
But I am definitely getting stronger. And given that I can press 195 for three with the 2 board, I'd like to think that my 1RM is up to 185 by now. 8)
Thats pretty good. Why are you using the shirt? Seems like its an awful lot of trouble.
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Thats pretty good. Why are you using the shirt? Seems like its an awful lot of trouble.
She wont go topless, bro. We tried. :-\
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I think the 225's a done deal.
Show total control at start/ Handoff (arms length hold-outs, pinpress) and find how long need pause for the press command at bottom.
Beat them both, and its on to the next set of wheels on the ends of the bar.......
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I think the 225's a done deal.
Show total control at start/ Handoff (arms length hold-outs, pinpress) and find how long need pause for the press command at bottom.
Beat them both, and its on to the next set of wheels on the ends of the bar.......
Absolutely! I have to commend you for your efforts, Rip. Great progress!
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She wont go topless, bro. We tried. :-\
;D
Thanks guys! I'm hoping the 225 will be do-able...I'm really really close to getting the shirt to touch. And then like trab said, I gotta work on the handoff (alot) and the pause.
I don't think I'll be working on three wheels for this meet LOL, but I'm really just gettin' started with this benching thing. There will be more meets after this one, I'm sure. 8)
WHY the shirt? Why not! It's something new, something different, and very challenging. Last meet I competed in, I was the only one who competed raw. That's cool and all, but I was dis-advantaged. Plus, raw meets are few and far between.
Learning how to use the shirt doesn't preclude me in the future from benching raw. I'd rather be good at both ways than not know how to use a shirt at all. It's been a really cool experience. I like working with the shirt, as much as I bitch about it. I've enjoyed mixing up my training and learning something totally new. It's probably been the biggest physical challenge I've dealt with since I started training MANY years ago. It's quite a mental challenge too. And I think it will be very rewarding at the end if I can make it work...another goal I set for myself and met. Next year, maybe I'll try to conquer the squat suit. ;D
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This whole shirt max training has increased your RAW bench #'s faster than most guys will be stuck w/ their raw bench #'s forEVER.
Why do it is a silly question. As if the top shirt benchers dont have awesome RAW #'s to..
Mendelson?
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Speed workout last night. Light weight, long pauses, good form, explosiveness. I understand this workout. 8)
5 sets 110 x 2
I also did calves and abs.
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Chains tonight.
I used the new set of chains we made, which weigh 36.5 pounds each, totalling 73 pounds. I put 115 on the bar so that it was 188 at the lockout. I did all of the reps without a spot, and with a pause at the bottom and a press command.
5 sets x 3 188 at lockout
3 sets rotator cuffs x 15
3 sets ab crunches x 20
Gotta admit, it was harder than I expected. The bar didn't feel much lighter than 188 at the bottom LOL, but the chains were definitely on the ground. :P
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Just went through this thread real quick, good job Rip. Keep it up
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Just went through this thread real quick, good job Rip. Keep it up
Thanks Flex! :)
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Chains tonight.
I used the new set of chains we made, which weigh 36.5 pounds each, totalling 73 pounds. I put 115 on the bar so that it was 188 at the lockout. I did all of the reps without a spot, and with a pause at the bottom and a press command.
5 sets x 3 188 at lockout
3 sets rotator cuffs x 15
3 sets ab crunches x 20
Gotta admit, it was harder than I expected. The bar didn't feel much lighter than 188 at the bottom LOL, but the chains were definitely on the ground. :P
Were you able to get good extra speed off the chest? The chain weight is deloaded then.
Really snap it at the start off the chest. Blast thru the stick points....
a 1 arm curling handle attachment from the cable cross-over/ Tricep Pressdown machine and clip on
chain(s) has a real nice increase in resistance on way up for shoulder rotation movments & anterior delt raises instead of dumbells.
Makes dumbells seem lame. DB's get light when should be heavy at the top....
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Were you able to get good extra speed off the chest? The chain weight is deloaded then.
Really snap it at the start off the chest. Blast thru the stick points....
a 1 arm curling handle attachment from the cable cross-over/ Tricep Pressdown machine and clip on
chain(s) has a real nice increase in resistance on way up for shoulder rotation movments & anterior delt raises instead of dumbells.
Makes dumbells seem lame. DB's get light when should be heavy at the top....
I did get some extra speed off the chest for sure, I really tried to...but it felt heavier than I expected when the chain weight was deloaded. It was 70-ish pounds lighter, but it sure didn't feel like it. It also helped me work on staying tight from head to toe...I let myself go loose in the legs and ass on a couple of reps, and those were the ones I really struggled with. The ones I stayed tight on were nice and smooth.
I'm sick again, coming down with a cold, and I am SUPER pissed. I just got better from an ear infection less than 2 weeks ago. >:(
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I have been sick, but I sucked it up and got the shirt workout in last night. I am very glad I did, as I am way worse today and in no condition to do much of anything at this point. I have hardly moved today.
It was NOT my finest hour in the gym, but I got the bar to touch. It wasn't pretty, but it touched. ;D
-2 board 185 x 2
-1 board 225 x 1
-1 board 225 x 1
-No Board 225 x 1 - it touched and pretty much sat on my chest for plenty of pause. When I went to push up, I totally got out of the groove and pushed directly backwards towards my spotter.
-No Board 225 x 1 - touch, plenty of pause, a little bit of help with it on the way up
-No Board 225 x 1 - touch, plenty of pause, a bit sloppy
-1 Board 205 x 1
Pauses were there, but I'm pretty sure I would have bombed any of those three lifts where I touched had it been a competition.
OH, and the purple bite marks around my underarms might be the best ones yet. ;D
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-No Board 225 x 1 - it touched and pretty much sat on my chest for plenty of pause. When I went to push up, I totally got out of the groove and pushed directly backwards towards my
You dumped to the face in an F6? Impressive. Ive done it in a SS Katana but I have never seen someone do it with those angled sleeves.
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You dumped to the face in an F6? Impressive. Ive done it in a SS Katana but I have never seen someone do it with those angled sleeves.
LOL...Impressive? More like... :-[
I'm a noob, so I wouldn't know if that's something that shouldn't be happening or not lol. I have a pretty big arch...maybe cuz of that?
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LOL...Impressive? More like... :-[
I'm a noob, so I wouldn't know if that's something that shouldn't be happening or not lol. I have a pretty big arch...maybe cuz of that?
I was thinking you must have a huge arch (which was what I was referring to when I said impressive). The shirt kind of acts like a spring with no housing, if your not careful it will dump to one side or the other. The whole angled selves thing was to try to prevent it falling toward the face by forcing it to fall to the stomach (since your arms are out in that direction anyway). The way I see it you either have enough of an arch that your arms are almost up and down at the bottom or you can really flare you elbows out fast on the way up.
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I was thinking you must have a huge arch (which was what I was referring to when I said impressive). The shirt kind of acts like a spring with no housing, if your not careful it will dump to one side or the other. The whole angled selves thing was to try to prevent it falling toward the face by forcing it to fall to the stomach (since your arms are out in that direction anyway). The way I see it you either have enough of an arch that your arms are almost up and down at the bottom or you can really flare you elbows out fast on the way up.
That's what I figured. LOL I'll take it! All those years of gymnastics are paying off, I guess. ;D
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damn girl! Starting to take this shit seriously now?! ;D
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damn girl! Starting to take this shit seriously now?! ;D
Who ME?!?! ;)
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I finally went back to the gym last night, after being laid up for about 5 days with one of the worst sinus infections I have ever had. I still can't really breathe, and my hearing is only about 75%. >:(
I did a light speed workout just to get the blood flowing...planning on getting the shirt on tomorrow.
Today is THREE WEEKS out from the meet, and I totally lost this entire week, and I am still nowhere near 100%.
-110 pounds, 5 sets x 2
-rotator cuffs, 3 sets x 15
-dumbell shrugs, 40 lbs, 3 sets x 15
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Shirt workout today. It was a relatively short one, but it was tough.
3 board 195 x 1
2 board 205 x 1
1 board 225 x 1
no board 225 x 1
no board 225 x 1
I touched both times on the no board sets, but the lifts were sloppy once again. First one came back towards my spotter (not as bad as last week), and the second one was a little better, but a big struggle and generally sloppy. I did fine with the 1 board...I am having problems with that last couple of inches. I cannot find the groove. >:(
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Ive found that its easier to think of pulling it to your crotch, then throwing it over your face, but you are WAY too close to the meet to try implementing that.
Jason
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Board work and speed work last night. I am finally getting over my sinus infection and felt "okay" in the gym last night. I swear, I am weaker than I was 3 weeks ago, but my numbers for this workout were good.
RAW BOARD PRESSES - 2 BOARD
180 x 3
190 x 3
195 x 3
200 x 3 8)
200 x 3 (third one was a little sloppy)
185 x 3
185 x 3
185 x 3
Used wraps on all sets over 185
SPEED WORK
110 x 2
110 x 2
110 x 2
110 x 2
110 x 2
Did pauses and press commands on the speed sets
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Nice workout Rip! Your strength will come back fast from your time off. Just eat plenty get lots of rest and stay confident :) Visualize how that lift is gonna go perfect.
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Nice workout Rip! Your strength will come back fast from your time off. Just eat plenty get lots of rest and stay confident :) Visualize how that lift is gonna go perfect.
Thanks Luv, I'm trying to...January was a month full of setbacks for me. I think I was sick at least half the month!
I WILL get there...I'm just not sure I will two weeks from Saturday. :-\
(The other thing I meant to add on the 2 board presses is that the numbers look big, but with my arch and my short arms and the 2 board, the weight really isn't moving that far :D!)
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Didn't read the whole thread. How much do you weigh, dragon lady?
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Didn't read the whole thread. How much do you weigh, dragon lady?
I haven't weighed myself in a few weeks, but I'm somewhere in the mid-130s...I'd like to make the 132 and under class for the Feb 23 meet, but I am not sure it'll happen.
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I haven't weighed myself in a few weeks, but I'm somewhere in the mid-130s...I'd like to make the 132 and under class for the Feb 23 meet, but I am not sure it'll happen.
Are you saying you're being a fatass in the off-season?
Yay!
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Are you saying you're being a fatass in the off-season?
Yay!
Muscle weighs alot more than fat you know!!!!! >:(
HAHA I was alot bigger last off-season. I don't have abs or anything right now, but I'm not a total pork chop.
I'm "full" and "curvy". ;D
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Muscle weighs alot more than fat you know!!!!! >:(
HAHA I was alot bigger last off-season. I don't have abs or anything right now, but I'm not a total pork chop.
I'm "full" and "curvy". ;D
Haha... Well, you know that's how I like my women.
I can't stand skinny rail bitches.
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lol rip's a little bitty thing...poor girl needs to put some more junk in that trunk in the off season for sure! ;D
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I'm "full" and "curvy". ;D
Where are the pics? ???
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Where are the pics? ???
You don't get to see them because you called me dragon lady! >:(
Actually, there are some offseason pics on the FBB Board.
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I had a pretty good shirt workout last night, so I am back to feeling pretty good about this meet. ;D
My lifts are not consistent...I can totally get one lift just about perfect, and then I can totally bomb the next lift. So who knows about the meet...but I can definitely press 225 as long as I can keep it in the groove. (which is about 50% of the time ::))
-3 board 185 x 2
-2 board 205 x 2
-1 board 225 x 2
-225 x 1 touch
-225 x 1 touch (FAIL...It got stuck on my chest and then I took it backwards to my spotter)
-225 x 1 touch
-225 x 1 touch (I got this one but then didn't really lock it out)
-4 board 300 x 1 8)
-205 x 1 touch (I got this pretty good at the end of the workout. I think it might be a good opener.)
The two that I got with 225 without messing up were totally good...but I didn't do the press command. I the pause is long enough but I need to work on the press command...there's so much going on just to do the lift!
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Whoa! A 300lb lockout is massive for you! Good job!
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Whoa! A 300lb lockout is massive for you! Good job!
I gotta go back and check the video on that one cuz it felt almost a little too easy. ;D
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I gotta go back and check the video on that one cuz it felt almost a little too easy. ;D
Go easy on the gear sweetie! ;)
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Go easy on the gear sweetie! ;)
hahaha not exactly what I was implying. I was wondering how much work my spotter did! :P
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hahaha not exactly what I was implying. I was wondering how much work my spotter did! :P
You mean your bench work out is his trap work out ;D
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lol rip's a little bitty thing...poor girl needs to put some more junk in that trunk in the off season for sure! ;D
Crankypants!
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OK, I set out to bench 225, and I did.
So f*ck the haters, here's the video. ;D
My ass came off the bench a little, but I was still pretty happy with it. I think the pause was long enough. I got one more workout to get it right before the meet. This is in the back of my friend's supplement store btw.
And 225 x 2 with the 1 board.
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Good lifts and good vocalizations..... ;D
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Nice job Rip!! Man the lift off even caught the bench a little and you kept it together. Looked strong and clean. I'm thinking maybe you may be able to get a little more before the meet ;D Awesome job keep pushing hard!!!
Pretty bad ass you are ;)
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Thanks guys. Yes, I grunt a bit when I bench and I was a little excited about that lift. ;D
The rack on the bench is as low as it will go, and it's still too tall for me! :P
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wait..
i was supposed to be paying attention to the benching in that vid?! ;D
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Lockout to spare. You just need to polish it up. What fed are you competing in? You might want to train with full commands for your last workout.
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Lockout to spare. You just need to polish it up. What fed are you competing in? You might want to train with full commands for your last workout.
APF on February 23, and USPF on March 16. Yeah, I had intended to do the full commands on this last workout, but there was too much going on lol.
There is a press and rack command for APF, and I heard that for USPF there is no press command, but there is a "start" command. I guess the bencher just determines the length of the pause and then the head judge decides if it's long enough...seems kinda weird to me to do it that way. :P
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I am impressed ;)
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congrats on the lifts. not that they surprised me. Next target 285.
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Awesome!!!
Very easy lift!
it's hard to tell if your butt came off or not but it looked like a clean lift to me...
Keep doing what you are doing!
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Lifting: 10 points. Grunting: 7 points. I believe you need some work on the grunting
All kidding aside, those where good lifts. :)
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Lori, of all the motherfuckers on earth, you tha' mother fuckest.
Very nice lift Steele... You're now outbenching 80% of all people who ever step foot in a gym.
Can't wait to hear about the meet.
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wait..
i was supposed to be paying attention to the benching in that vid?! ;D
With your musclebear inclinations, who knows what the hell you pay attention to :-\
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haha thanks, you guys ROCK. I'm pretty psyched about that lift...it took a lot of blood, sweat, and tears to get there.
I'll post more videos when I get to 285. ;D
Actually I'll get more vids at the bench meet and hope that I don't bomb out!
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ya did it! fuckin' right! 8)
i'd be tempted to say take it easy next week, since you know you can do it, that way you're not too burned out for the meet itself.
i gotta say once you really get adjusted to that shirt 225's gonna be easy warmup, i think. that 285 vid may not be far off.
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ya did it! fuckin' right! 8)
i'd be tempted to say take it easy next week, since you know you can do it, that way you're not too burned out for the meet itself.
i gotta say once you really get adjusted to that shirt 225's gonna be easy warmup, i think. that 285 vid may not be far off.
Yeah definitely taking it easy next week. I got one more shirt workout this Saturday just to basically figure out my opener and make sure I can do it clean. And then I chill.
I am a little reluctant to open at 225. I tried 205 during the last workout to see if it would be a good opener, and I got it, but I really struggled to get the bar down to my chest. I had to literally PULL the bar down to my chest.
I assume that 225 will be much more consistent for me by the time the March 16 meet rolls around, and then who knows what's after that. 8)
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Damn, that was hot! ;D
Great stuff, Rip! Knew you woudl hit it. You may get even more in your comp, it does something to you.
Good luck!
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YEA YEA YEA!!!
That was awesome...gosh I wish I were going to be there!!!! I had no idea this thread was even here, I am such a bad friend :)
Good Luck...Miss You :-*
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Damn, that was hot! ;D
Great stuff, Rip! Knew you woudl hit it. You may get even more in your comp, it does something to you.
Good luck!
Thanks Lift. :-*
YEA YEA YEA!!!
That was awesome...gosh I wish I were going to be there!!!! I had no idea this thread was even here, I am such a bad friend :)
Good Luck...Miss You :-*
haha you must have gotten my voice mail last night. ;D
How many times are we going to miss each other on the phone?! You're still a great friend LOL. See you soon! :-*
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good lift :)
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good lift :)
Thanks Bluto. :)
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OK, I set out to bench 225, and I did.
So f*ck the haters, here's the video. ;D
My ass came off the bench a little, but I was still pretty happy with it. I think the pause was long enough. I got one more workout to get it right before the meet. This is in the back of my friend's supplement store btw.
And 225 x 2 with the 1 board.
LOL at the Forza bench in teh back of a supplement store... ;D
To be honest with you, I had a really hard time seeing your butt on both videos. I'll take your word for it that it came up off the bench. The Arch is awesome---I wish I could get my wife to arch half that much when she's benching. With that kind of an arch if your but is coming up, try putting your feet out just a bit wider if you can. That'll drive your hips into the bench and keep you planted without taking away from your leg drive. Just be aware its really really close to the contest, your form is working, don't mess it up by experimenting. To me, the pause was fine and explosiveness out of the hole was also good. You looked to me like you've got more than 225 in you easy. Just tap into the adrenalin. ;)
Are you planning on taking your opener the next workout and then deloading until the meet?
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hooray ripitup
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LOL at the Forza bench in teh back of a supplement store... ;D
To be honest with you, I had a really hard time seeing your butt on both videos. I'll take your word for it that it came up off the bench. The Arch is awesome---I wish I could get my wife to arch half that much when she's benching. With that kind of an arch if your but is coming up, try putting your feet out just a bit wider if you can. That'll drive your hips into the bench and keep you planted without taking away from your leg drive. Just be aware its really really close to the contest, your form is working, don't mess it up by experimenting. To me, the pause was fine and explosiveness out of the hole was also good. You looked to me like you've got more than 225 in you easy. Just tap into the adrenalin. ;)
Are you planning on taking your opener the next workout and then deloading until the meet?
Yes, that's the plan. I'm gonna see what the opener will be this weekend...I think 205's too light lol, I am gonna see how 215 goes. Hell, I could open with 225 and just hope I get the lift, as I am about 50/50 with it now. That means I should get at least one out of the three attempts. LOL I'll prolly open just a little lighter. At the last meet I did, the heaviest lift a girl did was 210!
Thanks for the advice. I still struggle with foot placement. I have a hard time getting my feel comfortable, and the foot placement seems to change a little every workout. ::)
That's actually the bench I will be using for the competition next weekend! :D
(Thanks Geo!)
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Yes, that's the plan. I'm gonna see what the opener will be this weekend...I think 205's too light lol, I am gonna see how 215 goes. Hell, I could open with 225 and just hope I get the lift, as I am about 50/50 with it now. That means I should get at least one out of the three attempts. LOL I'll prolly open just a little lighter. At the last meet I did, the heaviest lift a girl did was 210!
Thanks for the advice. I still struggle with foot placement. I have a hard time getting my feel comfortable, and the foot placement seems to change a little every workout. ::)
That's actually the bench I will be using for the competition next weekend! :D
(Thanks Geo!)
I wouldn't open with 225. Open with something you know without a doubt you can get---say 205-210. Then make a 5-10% jump and go from there. You want to always set yourself up so you get your opener (it doesn't always happen that way, but thats the approach I take). Getting that opener serves two purposes, 1) you know you won't bomb out of the contest then and 2) you build momentum...get that opener, set a slight PR on the 2nd attempt and you are mentally rolling to nail some big numbers on the 3rd attempt. You see it too often where someone comes in fired up and they waste everything on that opener, which they miss, then they get mental and miss their second attempt. Thats putting way, way too much pressure on the 3rd attempt and getting it as far as I'm concerned.
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I wouldn't open with 225. Open with something you know without a doubt you can get---say 205-210. Then make a 5-10% jump and go from there. You want to always set yourself up so you get your opener (it doesn't always happen that way, but thats the approach I take). Getting that opener serves two purposes, 1) you know you won't bomb out of the contest then and 2) you build momentum...get that opener, set a slight PR on the 2nd attempt and you are mentally rolling to nail some big numbers on the 3rd attempt. You see it too often where someone comes in fired up and they waste everything on that opener, which they miss, then they get mental and miss their second attempt. Thats putting way, way too much pressure on the 3rd attempt and getting it as far as I'm concerned.
Yep, I hear ya. That's the general plan. I'll see how it goes and figure out the numbers this weekend. At this point, I am just hoping to have another decent workout this weekend to make me feel good going into the meet. :)
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Yep, I hear ya. That's the general plan. I'll see how it goes and figure out the numbers this weekend. At this point, I am just hoping to have another decent workout this weekend to make me feel good going into the meet. :)
Go in, do 205-210, try to get it 1-3 times using your contest form and then finish up your workout and get out. Rest next week and come into the contest fired up.
I'm someone who always has problems the "deload" week before a contest. If you are getting really antsy (like i do) go in and do some light dumbell work. DO NOT DO ANYTHING THAT WILL MAKE YOU SORE, just move a bit. That helps me focus.
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Go in, do 205-210, try to get it 1-3 times using your contest form and then finish up your workout and get out. Rest next week and come into the contest fired up.
I'm someone who always has problems the "deload" week before a contest. If you are getting really antsy (like i do) go in and do some light dumbell work. DO NOT DO ANYTHING THAT WILL MAKE YOU SORE, just move a bit. That helps me focus.
What do you think about getting a leg workout and a back workout in during the first half of the week? Bad idea?
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What do you think about getting a leg workout and a back workout in during the first half of the week? Bad idea?
the week before a contest? no. Unless you are extremely restless. Then to go in and do 3-4 sets of pulldowns and 2-5 sets of light leg work won't hurt to just get the blood flowing. That said, if you can't do that---you are the sort of person who is going to push it no matter what, stay the hell out of the gym.
You need to rest, let the body repair itself, and set yourself up for an all out effort that weekend.
Like I said, I get really antsy the week before a meet. Moving a bit helps me relax. But don't be stupid about it.
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the week before a contest? no. Unless you are extremely restless. Then to go in and do 3-4 sets of pulldowns and 2-5 sets of light leg work won't hurt to just get the blood flowing. That said, if you can't do that---you are the sort of person who is going to push it no matter what, stay the hell out of the gym.
You need to rest, let the body repair itself, and set yourself up for an all out effort that weekend.
Like I said, I get really antsy the week before a meet. Moving a bit helps me relax. But don't be stupid about it.
I figured that's what you were gonna say, I just thought I would check. ;)
It's not easy for me to not do much of anything, I get mental...but if it's what I should do, then that's what I'll do.
Moving will help...a little light cardio...
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CHAINS last night. I lightened them up a little. They still felt heavy!
This is the final workout before the meet except for the shirt work this weekend.
Chains weigh 73 pounds. I put 100 on the bar to make 173 at the top.
5 sets 173 pounds x 3
2 sets rotator cuffs x 15
3 sets weighted ab crunches
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GO RIP !!!
YOU ROCK !!!
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GO RIP !!!
YOU ROCK !!!
Thank you w8m8...I'm doing this for the girls! :-*
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I am setting out to bench 225
you'll never make it (you're just a girl) so why don't you be a good little pet and go get the bread on the table and your buns in the bed !
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I did my last shirt workout...pretty much my last workout...till the meet next Saturday.
Basically the plan was to get the shirt settled and then figure out what my opener is going to be.
3 board 185 x 2
2 board 205 x 1
1 board 215 x 1
215 x 1 - I totally failed on this. About 2 inches from my chest, I rolled my wrists forward to try to get the bar to touch, and the weight pretty much flopped on to my belly. It wasn't going anywhere at that point.
225 x 1 - I actually got this with the pause/rack commands. It didn't exactly go up easy, but it went up.
235 x 1 - I only did this to see if it was going to take even heavier weight to get the bar to touch easily. I thought this was 230 when I did it and then figured out it was 235 afterwards. It was a fail. ::)
After that, my shoulders were burning bad, so I stopped.
I'm a little concerned about how to approach this meet...I'm thinking that maybe I should just open with 225, but I'd say it's still 50/50 that I will totally bomb out. :-\
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you'll never make it (you're just a girl) so why don't you be a good little pet and go get the bread on the table and your buns in the bed !
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You are going to rest up before this meet right? Take it easy and relax, you already hit it.
I would open at 210-215 to get your confidence up and get in the groove. You know you can smoke 215, especially all rested up and fresh.
Your gonna knock'em dead. 8)
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Can't wait to hear and see how the meet goes for you....this weekis going to seem so long! Rest up little girl :)
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Thanks guys...I'm on bedrest now. I wish!
The only thing I'm concerned with re. less than 225 as an opener is that I will struggle too much to get the bar to touch like I have been doing during the workouts. 225 seems to be the point at which I can at least get the bar down IF I stay in the groove.
Whatever happens, it's all good...at least I already have video proof that I can do 225. ;D
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Thanks guys...I'm on bedrest now. I wish!
The only thing I'm concerned with re. less than 225 as an opener is that I will struggle too much to get the bar to touch like I have been doing during the workouts. 225 seems to be the point at which I can at least get the bar down IF I stay in the groove.
Whatever happens, it's all good...at least I already have video proof that I can do 225. ;D
next time work on visualization
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Whatever happens, it's all good...at least I already have video proof that I can do 225.
Since when was this the quest to bench 225 in training? Drink a pot of coffee before weigh in (unless you are making weight in which case wait till after), make sure that shirt is on really well and do it up right. If you go into a meet expecting to bomb then you probably will. You shouldnt even acknowledge the possibility.
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Since when was this the quest to bench 225 in training? Drink a pot of coffee before weigh in (unless you are making weight in which case wait till after), make sure that shirt is on really well and do it up right. If you go into a meet expecting to bomb then you probably will. You shouldnt even acknowledge the possibility.
LOL you're totally right.
Of course, I could change the title of this thread.................. .................. ;D
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If you are that confident with 225 then you should do it. Even if you missed your first attempt (you wont) you have two more. I think you are good for better than 225 and if anything under it is hard to get down to your chest, start there.
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If you are that confident with 225 then you should do it. Even if you missed your first attempt (you wont) you have two more. I think you are good for better than 225 and if anything under it is hard to get down to your chest, start there.
I think that's gonna be the plan.
I'm getting all nervous about the meet, which is silly. ::)
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I think that's gonna be the plan.
I'm getting all nervous about the meet, which is silly. ::)
It is silly... especially when you do meets every year.
Do like always... have a good time and only get serious when you're under the bar.
Kickass girl.
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we've all seen you make 225..so stop being a pussy! ;D
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Karen Black aka BuffGoddess reps with 315 at a bodyweight of 167.
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Thanks, it's all good, I am nervous just cuz I'm mental lol.
The other meets were all in fun, like "hey, there's a bench meet next weekend, I got a decent bench, let's do it, why not." For this one, I actually worked my ass off for like 5 months. :P
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OK, I set out to bench 225, and I did.
So f*ck the haters, here's the video. ;D
My ass came off the bench a little, but I was still pretty happy with it. I think the pause was long enough. I got one more workout to get it right before the meet. This is in the back of my friend's supplement store btw.
And 225 x 2 with the 1 board.
epic 13 inch arms and 30 inch chest.
;D jk good lift.
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epic 13 inch arms and 30 inch chest.
;D jk good lift.
;D It's the shirt. ;D
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Karen Black aka BuffGoddess reps with 315 at a bodyweight of 167.
Repping out close to twice bodyweight is pretty good for a girl. Let's have a look at the video clip, please.
Why are you posting under your old account? ???
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Repping out close to twice bodyweight is pretty good for a girl. Let's have a look at the video clip, please.
Why are you posting under your old account? ???
My other one was taken away...
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The getbig monstrosities are calling me out on your frequent repping with 295-315. I guess some egos got hurt.
All that accomplished at a bodyweight of 165-167lb. Pretty ago crushing for these little queers.
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Not you rip... I got angry PMs flodding after my originial post.
The good is you have hordes of fans and also you read BIGNATION ;D 8)
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Think positive! imagine how EASY the lift is going to be...then get under the bar, get all pissed off and destroy the weight!
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I watched your video. I suggest that you don't count for the hand off, let your spotter count it down for you. Just as they are about to hand you the bar - take in a deep breath and hold it. You expelled all your air once the bar was over your chest then tried to take in a breath, that's a no no. Looks like your good for 275.
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Think positive! imagine how EASY the lift is going to be...then get under the bar, get all pissed off and destroy the weight!
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Thanks...now I just need to decide what I am going to think about to piss me off. ;D
I watched your video. I suggest that you don't count for the hand off, let your spotter count it down for you. Just as they are about to hand you the bar - take in a deep breath and hold it. You expelled all your air once the bar was over your chest then tried to take in a breath, that's a no no. Looks like your good for 275.
Sweet, thanks. I'll get to 275 before too long.
I have issues with the breathing that I have not yet conquered. I TRY to breathe in before I bring the bar down and then out as I am pushing the bar up, but when I think about it too much, it screws up the other parts of my lift that I am supposed to be thinking about. ::)
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How much does first place pay?
Ripitupbaby is a very passionate person and loves to compete so you really cant put a price on it.
Bodybuilding is even more profitable, every time I have won at a show it cost me a couple grand :)
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I did a few light sets last night, it's pretty much the only thing I did all week except for a little cardio.
5-6 sets 95 pounds x 2
and 20 minutes of cardio.
I feel pretty good. :)
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Thanks...now I just need to decide what I am going to think about to piss me off. ;D
my list is really long chicklet , I envy you to be able to say that ;D
Rip-It-Up Baby :-*
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Yeah, if you have to think to come up with something to get pissed, I envy you.
All I gotta do is think about yesterday. Theres usually something I can get real damned good and pissed about. If that doesn't work, I think about drowning.
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Well, I didn't even have to get pissed off, and I managed to get 225 and 235. ;D
The meet went really well.
Failed the first attempt of 225 - my ass lifted and I knew it when it happened.
Got a good second lift of 225
Got a good third lift of 235. 8)
Third lift was the best lift...it felt great, right in the groove, went up nice and easy. Had I gotten the first attempt of 225, I am certain that I could have gotten more than 235.
I won the meet, but there were only three women.
I broke the APF NH State women's record for all weight classes and ages by 45 pounds.
I'll post a clip of the last lift later. I'm gonna change the title of this thread now. ;D
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Well, I didn't even have to get pissed off, and I managed to get 225 and 235. ;D
The meet went really well.
Failed the first attempt of 225 - my ass lifted and I knew it when it happened.
Got a good second lift of 225
Got a good third lift of 235. 8)
Third lift was the best lift...it felt great, right in the groove, went up nice and easy. Had I gotten the first attempt of 225, I am certain that I could have gotten more than 235.
I won the meet, but there were only three women.
I broke the APF NH State women's record for all weight classes and ages by 45 pounds.
I'll post a clip of the last lift later. I'm gonna change the title of this thread now. ;D
Congratulations, you must be a good benchpresser.
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Well, I didn't even have to get pissed off, and I managed to get 225 and 235. ;D
The meet went really well.
Failed the first attempt of 225 - my ass lifted and I knew it when it happened.
Got a good second lift of 225
Got a good third lift of 235. 8)
Third lift was the best lift...it felt great, right in the groove, went up nice and easy. Had I gotten the first attempt of 225, I am certain that I could have gotten more than 235.
I won the meet, but there were only three women.
I broke the APF NH State women's record for all weight classes and ages by 45 pounds.
I'll post a clip of the last lift later. I'm gonna change the title of this thread now. ;D
There you go...... This is what powerlifting is all about as far as I'm concerned. You set a goal, you worked towards it, and in the end you went past what you'd originally planned on. GOOD JOB!!!!!
Now rest up a day or two, start planning on 255, and get back to work. ;)
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Well, I didn't even have to get pissed off, and I managed to get 225 and 235. ;D
The meet went really well.
Failed the first attempt of 225 - my ass lifted and I knew it when it happened.
Got a good second lift of 225
Got a good third lift of 235. 8)
Third lift was the best lift...it felt great, right in the groove, went up nice and easy. Had I gotten the first attempt of 225, I am certain that I could have gotten more than 235.
I won the meet, but there were only three women.
I broke the APF NH State women's record for all weight classes and ages by 45 pounds.
I'll post a clip of the last lift later. I'm gonna change the title of this thread now. ;D
congratulations ripitup.......
you're officially butch !
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HAha Thanks! ;D
Yes, back to work...first off to the Arnold, and then back to work.
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Good Job Rip , it was a given you'd succeed . Keep up the great work.
jtsunami is your Mom ?
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What did I tell ya? You kicked ass! Post a vid if you got it.
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jtsunami is your Mom ?
;D
Thanks guys. OK here's the last lift, 235 pounds.
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Damn that came up fast! You had another 20lbs in you for sure.
Where did you learn to arch so well? ;D
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First of all Rip is not butch, second she is ALL woman, and georgous anytime anywhere. I am proud of my baby doing such a incredible feat, good job !
jt
She's your baby? ::)
How about just giving her credit for solid lifting instead of trying to steal her sunshine, gyno-boy?
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The arch is kinda funny, it doesn't even feel like I am arching that much when I am doing it.
I pretty much learned everything about how to bench press right here, so thanks to all of you guys for the help and info...especially Hedge. :)
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Congrats!
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First of all Rip is not butch, second she is ALL woman, and georgous anytime anywhere. I am proud of my baby doing such a incredible feat, good job !
jt
relax...
she knows I was just funnin with her
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good job grandma! Told you you could do it! ;D
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Nice job Rip. For those of is who are clueless when it comes to shirts, what is your 1 rep max without it?
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Nice job Rip. For those of is who are clueless when it comes to shirts, what is your 1 rep max without it?
I don't really know. I would hope at least 185. In Nov, I benched raw and did 175 in competition, so the shirt added 60 pounds. But it's not just as simple as throwing on the shirt, and then suddenly your bench is up 60 pounds!!
(Thanks guys. :))
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If you bring your feet further back toward your hips it will decrease the tendency to raise your butt, but you will still get leg drive, maybe more, since you won't be as likely to raise your butt.
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YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations Girl!!! That was amazing, I am so proud of you, you made it look sooo easy.
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Great job girl!
It looked like you were going to rep it out. I know you worked your ass off and it payed off big time.
Keep up the good work and keep in touch!
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Congratulations. I didnt realize you were short enough to need foot blocks. 8)
Next challenge : learn a squat suit!
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If you bring your feet further back toward your hips it will decrease the tendency to raise your butt, but you will still get leg drive, maybe more, since you won't be as likely to raise your butt.
That part needs work for sure...thanks guys! :)
On to March 16...................... .
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;D go get 'em chicklet ;D
it's only a few weeks away
that video had it looking easy so keep on keepin' on :D
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Congrats!!!
That was VERY easy!
Keep on training hard!
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thanks :)
I did speed work tonight, and tried to work on my foot positioning a little to keep my ass glued to the bench better. It felt a little weird, but I think I can get it to work.
5 sets 120 x 3
Then I finished off with one set of 225 x 2 to the 3 board. I was a little nervous getting under that weight without my shirt AND without wrist wraps (which I forgot), but I managed to do the set without much problem. My wrists got a little soft on the lockout at the end of the set, and they definitely ached a bit after that one.
Now it's off to the Arnold, where I'm gonna try to learn a thing or two from some of the big boys! 8)
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Very Very nice!
Kick Ass...
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Shirt workout tonight, working towards the USPF meet next Sunday, March 16.
I did the whole workout without boards, and just did air turns.
-195 x 2
-215 x 2
-225 x 2
-235 x 2 (pretty damn close to touching on these, 1 board or less)
-245 x 1 it touched, it didn't budge, and I bailed on doing the second one...I should have stopped with 235.
-215 x 2
-215 x 2 first rep touched, second rep wasn't pretty
I finished off with a hand-off of 315 pounds, which I held for a three count. It was heavy as shit! Hard to believe that I will be pressing that one day. ;D
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Boards and speed work last night.
RAW BOARD PRESSES 2 BOARD
185 x 3
190 x 3
195 x 3
200 x 3
185 x 3
185 x 3
185 x 3
SPEED WORK
110 x 2
110 x 2
110 x 2
110 x 2
110 x 2
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RAW board pressing 200!!!
That's very impressive.
Keep it up!
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well done rip. pressed that weight like it was nothin.
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Thanks Beast. ;)
I'm totally feeling those board presses today btw. My shoulders and elbows were fried last night, and while they are better today, I am a bit sore. It still amazes me how these workouts, which are pretty low-volume, manage to completely WRECK me.
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Awesome work!! Very impressive numbers for sure!!! :)
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rip is like a dynamo. Can't wait to see what lift she performs in 2 weeks.
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Thanks Beast. ;)
I'm totally feeling those board presses today
like totally
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like totally
Yeah like totally, man. 8)
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rip is like a dynamo. Can't wait to see what lift she performs in 2 weeks.
She will be benching. ;)
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Thanks Beast. ;)
I'm totally feeling those board presses today btw. My shoulders and elbows were fried last night, and while they are better today, I am a bit sore. It still amazes me how these workouts, which are pretty low-volume, manage to completely WRECK me.
Because its more neurally demanding.
CNS fatigue is what you are feeling.
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Last shirt workout before the bench meet on Sunday...last workout actually.
3-board 205 x 1
2-board 205 x 2
225 x 1
225 x 1
3-board 245 x 1
The two sets where I touched weren't perfect, but they weren't terrible. I pushed back towards my head a bit on the first one and probably wouldn't have gotten the lift. I got the second one, but I actually slid back on the bench while I was pressing (and may have lifted my ass a little) and ran the bar into the rack a little. ::)
225 will be my opener on Sunday again. It's a bit different with the start command, but I'm pretty comfortable with that weight.
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USPF RI/MA meet was yesterday. I won the women's bench press. 8)
My little dress belt got disqaulified ::)...so I had to lift beltless, which kinda SUCKED. It's nice to have something to hold the damn bench shirt down.
I got my first two lifts fairly easily - 102.5 kg (~225 pounds) and 107.5 kg (~237 pounds). So I went big on the last lift - 112.5 kg (~248 pounds), and I didn't get it. My shirt totally rode up on the last lift - it did on all of them, but real bad on the last one, and it just wasn't happening this time.
I think we got video of at least one of the lifts, so I'll try to post it later. I watched a video of my last attempt (248), and you can totally see the Titan logo riding up towards my neck as I am bringing the bar down.
I guess I need an acceptable THIN belt. There was this kid at the meet who had a nice thin one made by Inzer, with a lever pull on it. I'll have to look into that.
I'm really happy with how things went this season, and VERY thankful for all of the help you guys have given me. It's been an awesome learning experience. You guys rock!
I officially LOVE powerlifting. ;D
I'm really not sure what's next for me at this point.
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Hell yeah, Rip! A 12lb jump in just a few weeks.....impressive!
You make me want to bench again, hahaha!
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Hell yeah, Rip! A 12lb jump in just a few weeks.....impressive!
You make me want to bench again, hahaha!
Thanks!
I did get 235 at the last meet as well, but this one was a MUCH better lift in my opinion. Video coming soon.....
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Congrats!!!
Just keep progressing slowly and you will be over 300 before you know it!
8)
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Here's the clip of the 107.5 kg lift (about 237 pounds). Much better than the last meet, I thought. I actually got a red flag from the judge on my right side, but I didn't really see/feel my butt lift at all.
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That was FAST! Not a problem with that lift at all.
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That was FAST! Not a problem with that lift at all.
A good way to end the season.... at least for now. ;)
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Looked like you did that weight easily. 8)
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I didn't see much of a pause but you get the touch and go. Nice lift. Welcome to the "I bench more than 100lbs more than I weigh" club. You may be one of the hottest members, along with myself. I am also in the "I've benched 150lbs more than I weigh". I was only off the "I bench double my weight" club by like 10lbs in bench. I was maxing at 290lbs bench when I weighed 150lbs back in Jan '06.
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I didn't see much of a pause but you get the touch and go. Nice lift. Welcome to the "I bench more than 100lbs more than I weigh" club. You may be one of the hottest members, along with myself. I am also in the "I've benched 150lbs more than I weigh". I was only off the "I bench double my weight" club by like 10lbs in bench. I was maxing at 290lbs bench when I weighed 150lbs back in Jan '06.
Thanks! Now I'm intrigued... got any pics? ;D
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I didn't see much of a pause but you get the touch and go. Nice lift. Welcome to the "I bench more than 100lbs more than I weigh" club. You may be one of the hottest members, along with myself. I am also in the "I've benched 150lbs more than I weigh". I was only off the "I bench double my weight" club by like 10lbs in bench. I was maxing at 290lbs bench when I weighed 150lbs back in Jan '06.
nobody cares you self absorbed prick....
find another thread to suck your own dick in !
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wow the jealousy is strong with that one
Ripitupbaby I have a vid of me doing military press on youtube.
I did a standing set of 135lbs.
My channel is MWPitmaster, feel free to check it out.
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wow the jealousy is strong with that one
Ripitupbaby I have a vid of me doing military press on youtube.
I did a standing set of 135lbs.
My channel is MWPitmaster, feel free to check it out.
Basement dweller, eh? :-\
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wow the jealousy is strong with that one
Ripitupbaby I have a vid of me doing military press on youtube.
I did a standing set of 135lbs.
My channel is MWPitmaster, feel free to check it out.
nobody cares
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wow the jealousy is strong with that one
Ripitupbaby I have a vid of me doing military press on youtube.
I did a standing set of 135lbs.
My channel is MWPitmaster, feel free to check it out.
Thank you...but the video clip is too dark for me to determine whether you are one of the hottest members of the "I Bench 100 Pounds More than I Weigh" Club! :(
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I don't care if random internet people find me attractive, I put my vids on there so people can see me doing lifts, not see my face. I train at home, and I train at the best club in my city sometimes. My basement may not be gold's gym or Legends but that doesn't stop high level pro fighters from coming over to train with me.
Ripitupbaby, if you want some more personal pics, for your eyes only I will gladly oblige, but I will expect reciprocation. let me know
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I don't care if random internet people find me attractive, I put my vids on there so people can see me doing lifts, not see my face. I train at home, and I train at the best club in my city sometimes. My basement may not be gold's gym or Legends but that doesn't stop high level pro fighters from coming over to train with me.
Ripitupbaby, if you want some more personal pics, for your eyes only I will gladly oblige, but I will expect reciprocation. let me know
in your basement? ???
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hahahahhaaaaaa, oh brother, check this clown out, 135 for 15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a beast ;D
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hahahahhaaaaaa, oh brother, check this clown out, 135 for 15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a beast ;D
Nice flower print sofa he's got there.
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Nice flower print sofa he's got there.
hahahhahaaa, dude's house looks like something you'd see in the original version of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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hahahhahaaa, dude's house looks like something you'd see in the original version of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
Anyone who walks in there is getting thrown in a pit and will be told "It rubs the lotion on it's skin."
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you gym looks like it smells like cat piss
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Crazy pecs! :o
Monster flower couch! ;D
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you guys better watch out this guy says that all the greatest MMA fighters come to "train" under him, aren't you terrified? ::)
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Maybe if we get out our OFFICIAL GetBig TapouT shirts and OHP 155x15 he will leave us alone? :-\
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Maybe if we get out our OFFICIAL GetBig TapouT shirts and OHP 155x15 he will leave us alone? :-\
i don't know man 155 pound shoulder presses is quite a lot. ;D :o
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i don't know man 155 pound shoulder presses is quite a lot. ;D :o
I'll get a dark, low quality vid together as soon as I've put in the necessary training. >:(
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I am really really hurt that you guys would say such things, I don't see anyone else that is even close to my height or weight doing that much, if they do, it's for about 5 reps. lmao, how about we compare how many times we can bench our weight in a row. I can do mine about 35 times. Can any of you 280lb fatasses do that? I highly doubt it.
I don't have cats, never have.
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but I will toss you in the pit and abuse you for however long it takes for you to understand that you have no business talking shit to someone half your size that could choke you until you shit yourself in about 30 seconds
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but I will toss you in the pit and abuse you for however long it takes for you to understand that you have no business talking shit to someone half your size that could choke you until you shit yourself in about 30 seconds
Are you a cagefighter?
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Wow! I liked the video...I just couldn't tell how cute you are from it, but I'll take your word for it. ;)
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but I will toss you in the pit and abuse you for however long it takes for you to understand that you have no business talking shit to someone half your size that could choke you until you shit yourself in about 30 seconds
we're all terrified. ::)
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I am really really hurt that you guys would say such things, I don't see anyone else that is even close to my height or weight doing that much, if they do, it's for about 5 reps. lmao, how about we compare how many times we can bench our weight in a row. I can do mine about 35 times. Can any of you 280lb fatasses do that? I highly doubt it.
I don't have cats, never have.
150x35 bench? Impressive. :D
I like the threats though, keep'em coming! "...choke you until you shit yourself in about 30 seconds" <<<< BWAHAHAAHHAHAAA!!! ;D
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I am really really hurt that you guys would say such things, I don't see anyone else that is even close to my height or weight doing that much, if they do, it's for about 5 reps. lmao, how about we compare how many times we can bench our weight in a row. I can do mine about 35 times. Can any of you 280lb fatasses do that? I highly doubt it.
I don't have cats, never have.
25 times here, after a heavy bench workout. but then again, i weigh 230.
that's some pretty good shoulder pressing (standing i tend to get that weight in the 8-10 range, not sure if i shortened the ROM a bit), but dude don't lie and say professional fighters train in what appears to be a basement with a couch and a television playing.
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magoo, you are funny, why don't you check my friends list on Youtube and tell me if there is any UFC veterans on it and then in a month when he's back in town I will put up a vid of us training, how about that?
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BTW I move the couch to the open area when people come over to train, along with all my weights. The TV is in my room which is adjacent to the mat area. My room has a speed bag, heavy bag, double end bag and my dumbbell rack in it too.
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BTW I move the couch to the open area when people come over to train, along with all my weights. The TV is in my room which is adjacent to the mat area. My room has a speed bag, heavy bag, double end bag and my dumbbell rack in it too.
hahahahahaa, oh brother. :-X
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hahahahhaaaaaa, oh brother, check this clown out, 135 for 15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a beast ;D
BOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMM ;D this guy is the real squadfather...epic lying about your poundages. Poor guy let his wife fuck another guy now he is running around trying to backtrack that the whole situation ever happened. Epic fat guy trying to fit in.
hahahahahahaha
BOOOOOOOOOOOOM ;D
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hahahhaa, not me, but this is you as you've admitted.
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magoo, you are funny, why don't you check my friends list on Youtube and tell me if there is any UFC veterans on it and then in a month when he's back in town I will put up a vid of us training, how about that?
i see three friends. one is a UFC dude.
so basically you're friends with a guy in the UFC and every once in a while he visits your house and the two of you "train", meaning he lets you feel like you're a fighter too. then he leaves and goes back to his actual gym where he actually trains and you put up another video of you doing pushups with your feet on the couch or something.
135x15 standing is good for a small guy, it's neat that you're friends with a UFC fighter, but don't insult our intelligence by acting like you "train" with "fighters" in the plural.
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Ok fool, I first fought in mma about 3 years ago and I am "friends" with plenty of high level fighters. I fight at 170lbs and I could easily do 135lbs for 20+ reps if I wanted to push it.
Like I said earlier, I could care less what some random internet chumps whose main goal in life is to weigh 300lbs and bench 500lbs. That isn't impressive to me. Try doing something noone has ever done before.
I am really concerned whether you think I am a "fighter", the fact is I will fight wherever, and whoever. I am just a man, if you assualt me on the street, it could be the last thing you ever do. If you fight me in a sporting event, I will give you the same respect I should expect from you.
I have 1000000000X the respect for people who fight in mma than in the street, and so should anyone who knows anything about fighting. Now if only the stupid mma sanctioning bodies and events could get the fucking rules right.
How many UFC fighters have you TALKED too, let alone trained with or competed against? How many WSM guys have you trained with or competed against. Probably none and none.
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Ok fool, I first fought in mma about 3 years ago and I am "friends" with plenty of high level fighters. I fight at 170lbs and I could easily do 135lbs for 20+ reps if I wanted to push it.
Like I said earlier, I could care less what some random internet chumps whose main goal in life is to weigh 300lbs and bench 500lbs. That isn't impressive to me. Try doing something noone has ever done before.
I am really concerned whether you think I am a "fighter", the fact is I will fight wherever, and whoever. I am just a man, if you assualt me on the street, it could be the last thing you ever do. If you fight me in a sporting event, I will give you the same respect I should expect from you.
I have 1000000000X the respect for people who fight in mma than in the street, and so should anyone who knows anything about fighting. Now if only the stupid mma sanctioning bodies and events could get the fucking rules right.
How many UFC fighters have you TALKED too, let alone trained with or competed against? How many WSM guys have you trained with or competed against. Probably none and none.
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I just can't understand how a potentially bitchin guy like stacked deck can't work his mom and dad for a 20 dollar a month gym membership
perplexed to say the least
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I just can't understand how a potentially bitchin guy like stacked deck can't work his mom and dad for a 20 dollar a month gym membership
perplexed to say the least
By his massive OHP and extensive MMA training I would say the only way he could endure such punishment is to "gear up." Due to his dedication to excellence he has no funds left for membership fees at one of your fancy fitness centers, Geo. >:(
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fancy fitness centers? I train once in a while at the best gym in my city I am not about to pay 100 dollars a month to go to a mma gym that offers me nothing I don't already have at home.
My parents have about as much money as I do, which is none. They barely pay their bills, and so do I.
That's what happens when your family runs 2 small businesses and instead of being a worker bee for corporations that ruin the quality of life for the average person, you try and produce for yourself and thus for the world.
in 1940, 40% of the US population was PRODUCERS, now 2% is producers. Hence we have to IMPORT everything, shit costs 100 times as much and the DEFICIT from doing such causes future prices to rise, instead of fall, like they would if our 300+million people could produce enough for even themselves.
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Go check the ink levels on your printer, while you sit on your ass in a nice heated building that a guy like me BUILT.
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hahahahhaaa, this clown is still here? ;D
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Go check the ink levels on your printer, while you sit on your ass in a nice heated building that a guy like me BUILT.
You're Mexican?
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Ok fool, I first fought in mma about 3 years ago and I am "friends" with plenty of high level fighters. I fight at 170lbs and I could easily do 135lbs for 20+ reps if I wanted to push it.
Like I said earlier, I could care less what some random internet chumps whose main goal in life is to weigh 300lbs and bench 500lbs. That isn't impressive to me. Try doing something noone has ever done before.
I am really concerned whether you think I am a "fighter", the fact is I will fight wherever, and whoever. I am just a man, if you assualt me on the street, it could be the last thing you ever do. If you fight me in a sporting event, I will give you the same respect I should expect from you.
I have 1000000000X the respect for people who fight in mma than in the street, and so should anyone who knows anything about fighting. Now if only the stupid mma sanctioning bodies and events could get the fucking rules right.
How many UFC fighters have you TALKED too, let alone trained with or competed against? How many WSM guys have you trained with or competed against. Probably none and none.
okay, let's review a few simple things.
1) i really, really don't give a shit about fighting you. i see fighting as the last resort of the weak-minded. as a sport it's cool, as a way to "settle differences" it's about one step shy of pulling your pants down and measuring dicks. grow up.
2) i also don't care if you could hit 20+ reps (although i love how you'd put up a video to brag when it's only 70% of what you're capable of ::) ), the point is you're an arrogant asshole.
3) fact of the matter is you've got a video of you lifting weights in your (parents?) basement and claiming to be a big time fighter who hangs with UFC girls. yet for some reason THEY all train at good gyms while YOU have to move the couch if you want to do barbell lunges. and now you're flipping out for getting the verbal beatdown you deserve.
4) i realize you're an asshole because you hijacked rip's thread to make it about how much of a badass YOU are, with your only "evidence" being a friend on your youtube account. at this point i hardly give a shit who you are, your presence is not welcome unless you shape up fast.
thanks for playing.
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but I will toss you in the pit and abuse you for however long it takes for you to understand that you have no business talking shit to someone half your size that could choke you until you shit yourself in about 30 seconds
Brutal tough guy threats........
Who is this tiny tit ???
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but I will toss you in the pit and abuse you for however long it takes for you to understand that you have no business talking shit to someone half your size that could choke you until you shit yourself in about 30 seconds
Everyone is a cage fighter... Oh, and how dare you melt down like this in Rip's thread.
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hahaha wow! :o
This is the thread that just keeps on giving! :D
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hahahhahaa, brutal textbook owning laid down by Mister Magoo.