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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: raisydaisy on September 09, 2007, 05:06:44 AM
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6th place vs 2nd place. you be the judge. bodybuilding died a long time ago. anybody who says different lives in denial. this is so sad i wanna cry. i'm all out of words.
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ehh whats your point with that image?
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ehh whats your point with that image?
if the sport is bodybuilding - how can troy place 4 spots lower than qt?
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Im with ya!
but there will be some smucks that will say theres more to bb judging then the pic we are seeing(paper thin skin, muscle bellies ect... ::)
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6th place vs 2nd place. you be the judge. bodybuilding died a long time ago. anybody who says different lives in denial. this is so sad i wanna cry. i'm all out of words.
compare/contrast the same pose
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u cant only judge one pose
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i don't get it. troy looks like a friggin greek statue carved out of stone in that shot. along comes this blocky pile of meat (that makes kamali look like the master of symmetry) and beats him.
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i don't get it. troy looks like a friggin greek statue carved out of stone in that shot. along comes this blocky pile of meat (that makes kamali look like the master of symmetry) and beats him.
when he retires people will say he was overlooked. reminds me of the physiques we used to see in the early/mid 1990's.
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Troy defenetly look better in that pose, but other poses count too
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I didn't see the show or pictures but I believe QT has a terrible Physique and is overated. There is something about his chest that doesn't look right.
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I didn't see the show or pictures but I believe QT has a terrible Physique and is overated. There is something about his chest that doesn't look right.
thats right ,chest missing som parts.
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compare/contrast the same pose
here you go..
qt not only looking worse but also hitting that pose very strangely. can you say "overrated"?
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here you go..
qt not only looking worse but also hitting that pose very strangely. can you say "overrated"?
yes, in that photo comparison...QT does not "win" you might have to display comparisons of all mandatories to successfully make your case.
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hey ....so QT blows a few more judges than troy, so they'll overlook his lack of calves, bulbous chest, lack of sweep, etc etc etc....so fuck....that show is just a chimps tea party....
i mean...kamali places top ten???????
bottom division show...? he shouldn't be winning local events imo
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it seems as if mass makes up for lack of symmetry and proportion. that just isn't right. bodybuilding i feel sorry for you.
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it seems as if mass makes up for lack of symmetry and proportion. that just isn't right. bodybuilding i feel sorry for you.
that seems to be the popular trend currently
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Bodybuilding really was meant to be an art. it seems these judges don't even know what the golden section (http://library.thinkquest.org/18054/data/text/english/e03.html) is. today bbing is all about wowing people with sheer mass and freaky body parts in order to make money with supplements that don't work.
i have to stop i am getting too philosophical now.
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Quincy Taylor is the most overrated guy in the sport today by far.
His physique is a mess.
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Pro competitors basically are judged by 8 compulsory poses during prejudging.
I think that Troy Alves's back poses not good enough ,especially his hams & glutes
(Johnnie Jackson's legs improve a lot !)
here are pics
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I was there QT beat Troy Alves straight up...If anything that placing was a gift to Troy. The guy from France Fred Sauvage I thought should of beat Troy. You cant be a judge by a few pics you have to be there and see whats going on. I thought JOJ edged out QT for 2nd but it was real close.
RJ
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I was there QT beat Troy Alves straight up...If anything that placing was a gift to Troy. The guy from France Fred Sauvage I thought should of beat Troy. You cant be a judge by a few pics you have to be there and see whats going on. I thought JOJ edged out QT for 2nd but it was real close.
RJ
Agree
We need more opinions from attendance like you guys
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QT's nipples look strange in those pics - has he had recent gyno surgery?
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I was there QT beat Troy Alves straight up...If anything that placing was a gift to Troy. The guy from France Fred Sauvage I thought should of beat Troy. You cant be a judge by a few pics you have to be there and see whats going on. I thought JOJ edged out QT for 2nd but it was real close.
RJ
Not based on any posted pics here. Troy looks closer to the winner imo.
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I was there QT beat Troy Alves straight up...If anything that placing was a gift to Troy.
Maybe according to their judging criteria qt beat troy fair and square... and that's exactly my point!!! To me this looks like a case of mass makes up for symmetrical flaws. In my opinion, it doesn't matter how much mass qt has or will put on, his physique will never be as aesthetically pleasing as troy alves'. Thus, he should never be placed ahead of him.
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I was there QT beat Troy Alves straight up...If anything that placing was a gift to Troy. The guy from France Fred Sauvage I thought should of beat Troy. You cant be a judge by a few pics you have to be there and see whats going on. I thought JOJ edged out QT for 2nd but it was real close.
RJ
I always love these responses
just by saying "I was there" it is supposed to mean that your opinion trumps all others that weren't there?
whatever.
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Pro competitors basically are judged by 8 compulsory poses during prejudging.
I think that Troy Alves's back poses not good enough ,especially his hams & glutes
(Johnnie Jackson's legs improve a lot !)
here are pics
well... everybody is looking a bit soft from the back in those last two shots there!
oh and qt isn't in them :-\
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Front poses Troy owned em all, but he was very weak in the hams, anyway i don kno how darrem got it he wasent any better than Troy.
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Some of you cats are right of your rocker. Troy Alves was way off the mark, he was very soft in the back, zero hamstrings and glutes. Just to fill you in Willy M. competitions are won by conditioning, skin tightness, thiness, and size/symmetry. Agreed Alves body is more pleasing to look at but he lacked 2 of the 4 things he need to beat QT. He didnt drop his water correctly and maybe could of used a little more cardio, and Yes you really dont know what everybody looked like unless you are there. A few pictures doesnt tell the whole tail. Darrem Charles is a prime example what you should look like when you step on stage, even though he was at about 90% he was the closest to the mark. CC was off right from the start, later in pre-judging he started to tighten up but his timing was also off. No body there was 100% with the grainy dry look. Darrem was the closest thats why he won.
RJ
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I always love these responses
just by saying "I was there" it is supposed to mean that your opinion trumps all others that weren't there?
whatever.
yeah i love the I WAS THERE argument. it actually changes the subject doesn't it?
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I feel Jocelyn was overlooked once again...
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/noc2003-all/noc2003_pelletier01.jpg)
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I always love these responses
just by saying "I was there" it is supposed to mean that your opinion trumps all others that weren't there?
whatever.
Anyone who feel that "being there" doesn't give you an advantage over someone who wasn't has probably never been to a show. If that was the case the judges could stay home, watch the show and make their decision.
I've seen Quincy and Troy before, Quincy is about 7 inches taller than Troy, in the comparison poses they're the same size. That's like taking Arnold, scaling him down to be the same size as Franco and say franco is better
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Anyone who feel that "being there" doesn't give you an advantage over someone who wasn't has probably never been to a show. If that was the case the judges could stay home, watch the show and make their decision.
I've seen Quincy and Troy before, Quincy is about 7 inches taller than Troy, in the comparison poses they're the same size. That's like taking Arnold, scaling him down to be the same size as Franco and say franco is better
Exactly
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I agree, Alves got screwed because IFBB judges love ripped glutes with speedos hiked up them. It makes no sense. There really are no physique-judgement rules, they just place everyone wherever the heck they want to.
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6th place vs 2nd place. you be the judge. bodybuilding died a long time ago. anybody who says different lives in denial. this is so sad i wanna cry. i'm all out of words.
Fucking unreal.
This is just one of the many reasons why bbing is not a sport. The person who should win doesn't always. Nor do they place properly.
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Wow JOJ's back is thick as hell!
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Troy is better,more balanced end of story...Quincy is just huge...LOOK at Troy,he is far better from the front and his back/biceps pose is always very good.Personally,i dont understand why do the judges pay so much attention to the glutes and hamstrings...It has become the main focus for everybody if they wanna place good.
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Alves gets better and better with each outing. It won't be long before he's in Darrem's shoes and regularly winning the 10k shows.
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Yeah,when he's 50!
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Agreed Alves body is more pleasing to look at but he lacked 2 of the 4 things he need to beat QT.
More pleasing to look at, but looses... notice the contradiction in the judging criteria?
QT in 2nd and Alves in 6th = Bodybuilding?
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Anyone who feel that "being there" doesn't give you an advantage over someone who wasn't has probably never been to a show. If that was the case the judges could stay home, watch the show and make their decision.
I've seen Quincy and Troy before, Quincy is about 7 inches taller than Troy, in the comparison poses they're the same size. That's like taking Arnold, scaling him down to be the same size as Franco and say franco is better
I've been to several bodybuilding shows and I understand what you are saying
However, what I object to is these people that think that just by saying "I was there", that their opinion is so much more valid or accurate than somebody that was not in attendance
Just because you were there does not mean that you are not biased or that you had a good angle, distance, etc
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Whats sad about Pelliteir or should I say the other who they placed below him in the standings. They all tied for whatever but they listed Pellitier before the rest.
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Troy Alve & Quincy Taylor
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more pics
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Whats sad about Pelliteir or should I say the other who they placed below him in the standings. They all tied for whatever but they listed Pellitier before the rest.
did not place is did not place
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Alves' legs are definitely what did him in. He's been a pro for way too long to have made zero improvements in his calves and hamstrings. When he does any rear or side poses, they really do hurt him.
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Just because you were there does not mean that you are not biased or that you had a good angle, distance, etc
I agree with you here 100%. If you have a bad angle at the show you could move (within limits) when a pic is manipulated as in the one's posted earlier, that make it unfair to judge if not impossible. Had RD posted actual side be side pics from all angles the way the 'live' judges and audience saw it like or as MC did, I don't think he'd get the reaction he wanted. There's definately an argument that Troy looked better in that pose, but anyone who's objective would have to admit that the difference wasn't as vast as Rd tried to illustrate by scalling down Quincy's pics.