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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: Deicide on February 19, 2008, 06:21:35 PM
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time?
I am just curious.
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yes
not a good idea to do this around midterms.....
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<<ENTER CANDIZZLE>>
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lol too funny.
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Well unlike Canned Jizz Load I just look at it as a temporary strategy.
Started Monday.
Just Zero Carb VPX whey isolate, Steak, Chicken, Fish, Pork....not even eggs since they have one gram per egg and tons of olive oil and fish and flax oil....
Will continue this way for 2 weeks whereupon I will introduce a one day a week high carb day for carb loading.
I think that zero carb helps melt fat really quickly...in fact I know it does
I would never use it for bulking though...just cutting...it is only a temporary thing...anyway the worst thing about it is its inconvenience.
Once target bf% is achieved will switch to low carb 50-150 grams a day...in morning only...
Boy, these next 4 months are going to be hard...
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are you on any anabolics? if so, then i would think this is fine.
if not, i think youre going to use muscle tissue at some point along the 2 week stretch
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are you on any anabolics? if so, then i would think this is fine.
if not, i think youre going to use muscle tissue at some point along the 2 week stretch
No, natural...
I don't see why I would be using up muscle tissue...
I take massive amounts of BCCA's and Glutamine...my protein intake is very high....
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No, natural...
I don't see why I would be using up muscle tissue...
I take massive amounts of BCCA's and Glutamine...my protein intake is very high....
the only thing i can tell you is i have gone zero carbs before for about 8 weeks and im not really sure if i could say i lost muscle since my workout regimen changed...when i went zero carbs it was to cut and i changed my workout to a low weight very high rep with lots of supersets and some giant sets and every other day was cardio after lifting and my whole workout was done in sweats and hoodie...i was cutting and hard i kept my protein way up and zero carbs and i dropped around 20 pounds in 8 weeks not sure about bf loss...it does feel different in your body but not bad it does take some getting use to however...every week i had one cheat day which was my day off and i wasnt exactly "carb loading" i would just eat normally for a day...when i did i also superloaded with glutamine with around 20 grams of independent glutamine a day as it helps fill the stomache...how much weight or bf or you looking to lose? and you are right it does help to melt off the fat...and the cardio is big after a real intense workout do 30-45 minutes of variable intensity training...i liked it and come this weekend am going to start it again...but good luck and let me know how your making out....
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trapezkurl is right....you shouldnt even have eggs if your going zero carb. no more than .5 grams carbs per 50 lbs of bodyweight.
in that situation...you can have a very high fat intake and still burn body fat. but ideally, keep the fat intake moderate. in fact...i like milos's approach to keto dieting... take two tablespoons udo's oil twice daily, and the rets of your intake for the day is low/med fat meat products with zero carbs. chicken/lean steak/ tuna...
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Well unlike Canned Jizz Load I just look at it as a temporary strategy.
Started Monday.
Just Zero Carb VPX whey isolate, Steak, Chicken, Fish, Pork....not even eggs since they have one gram per egg and tons of olive oil and fish and flax oil....
Will continue this way for 2 weeks whereupon I will introduce a one day a week high carb day for carb loading.
I think that zero carb helps melt fat really quickly...in fact I know it does
I would never use it for bulking though...just cutting...it is only a temporary thing...anyway the worst thing about it is its inconvenience.
Once target bf% is achieved will switch to low carb 50-150 grams a day...in morning only...
Boy, these next 4 months are going to be hard...
Can I ask you guys. With no carbs I find I don't process the foods properly. Don't you need fiber?
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fiber helps with the digestion....but you should be able to digest it fine without, if you chew up your meat enough. you could always take a fiber supplement. or.....a couple of florets of broccoli really wont hinder you that much.
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Did it for 4 days, carb depleting for a show, I think it is truthfully impossible to go 0 carbs, you get small amounts from just brushing your teeth!
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Did it for 4 days, carb depleting for a show, I think it is truthfully impossible to go 0 carbs, you get small amounts from just brushing your teeth!
meat=zero carbs, water= zero carbs, whey isolate=zero carbs, udo's oil= zero carbs..
going on a few days without brushing your teeth isnt going to kill you.
but if your a little girl about it...they do in fact have zero carb toothpaste as well.
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TRAP, here is the deal bro.
You need fiber in this diet. All the protein and fats will back you up. Fibrous carbs are not going to impact your blood sugar, which is the reason for the lower carbs, you are trying to control blood sugar. Fibrous carbs will give you necessary enzymes to break down and digest those foods. High fiber will also make your metabolism work harder as it tries to break down the thick husks. Even if you wind up with 20 g. from fibrous carbs, that will not impact your blood sugar at all...Also, if make sure to take a good multi vitamin as well so you don't get deficient in your basic nutrients.
When you eat that much protein and fats, even with a small serving of starchy carbs, will be impossible to impact blood sugar. You can never get 0 carbs period.
Brush your teeth too, we don't want to smell that breath after eating protein and fats! :D
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TRAP, here is the deal bro.
You need fiber in this diet. All the protein and fats will back you up. Fibrous carbs are not going to impact your blood sugar, which is the reason for the lower carbs, you are trying to control blood sugar. Fibrous carbs will give you necessary enzymes to break down and digest those foods. High fiber will also make your metabolism work harder as it tries to break down the thick husks. Even if you wind up with 20 g. from fibrous carbs, that will not impact your blood sugar at all...Also, if make sure to take a good multi vitamin as well so you don't get deficient in your basic nutrients.
When you eat that much protein and fats, even with a small serving of starchy carbs, will be impossible to impact blood sugar. You can never get 0 carbs period.
Brush your teeth too, we don't want to smell that breath after eating protein and fats! :D
you have no understanding of what a zero carb diet is trying to accomplish.
sure, a low carb diet will allow plenty of veggies. in fact, there is no limit to the amount of green leafy vegetables you can have on a LOW carb diet. they will only speed your progress.
zero carb is totally different.
it has nothing to do with blood sugar levels. it has everything to do with hormones.
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meat=zero carbs, water= zero carbs, whey isolate=zero carbs, udo's oil= zero carbs..
going on a few days without brushing your teeth isnt going to kill you.
but if your a little girl about it...they do in fact have zero carb toothpaste as well.
hahahahhahaa, oh brother, now this skinny clown is telling people to not brush their teeth because of the "carbs" ;D i've heard it all now.
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The whole idea of not brushing my teeth for a few days makes me want to puke.
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hahahahhahaa, oh brother, now this skinny clown is telling people to not brush their teeth because of the "carbs" ;D i've heard it all now.
did i say that, punk mother fucker? no, i didnt.
stupid girl
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just eat some carbs. end of story.
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I am not willing to sacrifice my right to brush my teeth! ;D
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hahaha candidiot is awesome
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the only thing i can tell you is i have gone zero carbs before for about 8 weeks and im not really sure if i could say i lost muscle since my workout regimen changed...when i went zero carbs it was to cut and i changed my workout to a low weight very high rep with lots of supersets and some giant sets and every other day was cardio after lifting and my whole workout was done in sweats and hoodie...i was cutting and hard i kept my protein way up and zero carbs and i dropped around 20 pounds in 8 weeks not sure about bf loss...it does feel different in your body but not bad it does take some getting use to however...every week i had one cheat day which was my day off and i wasnt exactly "carb loading" i would just eat normally for a day...when i did i also superloaded with glutamine with around 20 grams of independent glutamine a day as it helps fill the stomache...how much weight or bf or you looking to lose? and you are right it does help to melt off the fat...and the cardio is big after a real intense workout do 30-45 minutes of variable intensity training...i liked it and come this weekend am going to start it again...but good luck and let me know how your making out....
I need to drop a shitload of fat; maybe 15 kg or more to actually get cut. Had a lot of obstacles the last few months so every time I would start I couldn't do what was needed. Have a cold now and my insomnia is under control so I am easing into zero carb. I 'cheated' yesterday and had 5 eggs. Monday I will start lifting again or maybe even Saturday. I am going to be doing HST for a while for a variety of reasons:
1. You don't (or shouldn't) train to failure with HST
2. Constant use of large compound excercises
3. 15,10,5 rep range keeps it interesting
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Dude just do more cardio, I would never sacrifice food, I would just work harder! If I were you I would go low carb and then maybe cycle a few no carb days maybe (2 or 3) a week, at least you won't be miserable and go mentally insane.
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you have no understanding of what a zero carb diet is trying to accomplish.
sure, a low carb diet will allow plenty of veggies. in fact, there is no limit to the amount of green leafy vegetables you can have on a LOW carb diet. they will only speed your progress.
zero carb is totally different.
it has nothing to do with blood sugar levels. it has everything to do with hormones.
You have embarrassed yourself enough today.
Please stop before you hurt yourself by thinking too hard. . :-\
going on a few days without brushing your teeth isnt going to kill you.
but if your a little girl about it...they do in fact have zero carb toothpaste as well.
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You need some carbs for proper protein absorbtion. Carb cycling is the way to go.
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You need some carbs for proper protein absorbtion. Carb cycling is the way to go.
so you would recomend to like split the week up with like 3 days no carbs 4th day carb up and the next three no carbs again? see i have honestly done a no carb diet and felt fine with it...although it does take some getting use to...what would you recomend...?
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so you would recomend to like split the week up with like 3 days no carbs 4th day carb up and the next three no carbs again? see i have honestly done a no carb diet and felt fine with it...although it does take some getting use to...what would you recomend...?
Yeah everyone is different. Basically follow this, HIGH CARB, LOW CARB, NO CARB. Go for 2 days each, and pick which one (high, low, no) you will do for 3 days. Basically you can do whatever you want, but just have high, low and no days for carbs. Keep protein high always. Fats moderate.
I prefer this diet over simple no carb as it allows for variety, and is somewhat easier.
At saying all this, I'm not against no carb diets, but you have to remember that you are totally eliminating an entire macronutrient. Thats a lot for the body to deal with. I feel that with proper training and cardio, carb cycling is a better diet IMO.
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Yeah everyone is different. Basically follow this, HIGH CARB, LOW CARB, NO CARB. Go for 2 days each, and pick which one (high, low, no) you will do for 3 days. Basically you can do whatever you want, but just have high, low and no days for carbs. Keep protein high always. Fats moderate.
I prefer this diet over simple no carb as it allows for variety, and is somewhat easier.
At saying all this, I'm not against no carb diets, but you have to remember that you are totally eliminating an entire macronutrient. Thats a lot for the body to deal with. I feel that with proper training and cardio, carb cycling is a better diet IMO.
yea man i get what your saying but i do know that the no carb works and i think i am going to go with it but this time instead of doing 6 no carb days and one cheat day where i pretty much just ate regular i think im going to go three no carbs then one carb up then three more no carbs with no cheats...thanks for your input though....
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yea man i get what your saying but i do know that the no carb works and i think i am going to go with it but this time instead of doing 6 no carb days and one cheat day where i pretty much just ate regular i think im going to go three no carbs then one carb up then three more no carbs with no cheats...thanks for your input though....
That sounds fine. Any variation is fine, as long as there is no carb days and higher carb days. If your preparing for a show or something, then cutting can be complicated, but if you just wanna lose some bodyfat, its easy to find something that works well.
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That sounds fine. Any variation is fine, as long as there is no carb days and higher carb days. If your preparing for a show or something, then cutting can be complicated, but if you just wanna lose some bodyfat, its easy to find something that works well.
no im not preping for a show just wantinf to melt off some fat that i put on in my "bulking cycle" which was successful my strength and some size went up but i found it impossible to not get some fat know matter how much i tried to conintually tweak my diet to gain as much muscle as possible...
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yea man i get what your saying but i do know that the no carb works and i think i am going to go with it but this time instead of doing 6 no carb days and one cheat day where i pretty much just ate regular i think im going to go three no carbs then one carb up then three more no carbs with no cheats...thanks for your input though....
Yup...2 weeks no carbs and after you are that you totally in ketosis, then you can carb up once a week.
I think physiologically doing only two or so days without carbs defeats the purpose of no carb since the long you are on no carb the more efficiently the body uses and prioritises fats as an energy source.
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Yup...2 weeks no carbs and after you are that you totally in ketosis, then you can carb up once a week.
I think physiologically doing only two or so days without carbs defeats the purpose of no carb since the long you are on no carb the more efficiently the body uses and prioritises fats as an energy source.
You are using the "piss strips" to determine if you are in ketosis, right?
Bottome line with low carb, zero carb, everone responds differently. Just make sure to use the ketone strips and body fat test weekly to make sure you are not losing muscle!!
Also, why the name change? ???
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you wont lose muscle when your body is primarily using fat as an energy source.
one your in ketosis, you dont need to constantly check your ketone strips...your either FULLY in ketosis, or your FULLY out. and you can tell the difference. its a big difference.
and yeah...after two or so weeks9depends on each person), you will become "fat adapted", and you will not leave ketosis with out elimating fats from your diet....just like you wont leave a glucose powered state untill you eliminate carbs from your diet...
for some people though, becoming truly "fat adapted" takes very long....most people actually cant really achieve it...because they are too old and have been glucose powered for too long.
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you wont lose muscle when your body is primarily using fat as an energy source.
one your in ketosis, you dont need to constantly check your ketone strips...your either FULLY in ketosis, or your FULLY out. and you can tell the difference. its a big difference.
and yeah...after two or so weeks9depends on each person), you will become "fat adapted", and you will not leave ketosis with out elimating fats from your diet....just like you wont leave a glucose powered state untill you eliminate carbs from your diet...
for some people though, becoming truly "fat adapted" takes very long....most people actually cant really achieve it...because they are too old and have been glucose powered for too long.
PROVE IT.
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PROVE IT.
candidate will soon measure 0.0% bf as measured by Jim Quinn, joining Flex Wheeler as the only people to achieve such a feat.
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Well, I am fucked.
I am older so I have been glucose driven for too long. :'(
There is no hope for me now....
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Well, I am fucked.
I am older so I have been glucose driven for too long. :'(
There is no hope for me now....
It's ok bro, I'll still be your friend!
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It's ok bro, I'll still be your friend!
You sure, I brush my teeth, been glucose driven too long, not many getbiggers would want a friend like that. :-\
But I am leaning out, something must be really wrong with me!?!?!
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hey busyb ...fuck you.
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You are using the "piss strips" to determine if you are in ketosis, right?
Bottome line with low carb, zero carb, everone responds differently. Just make sure to use the ketone strips and body fat test weekly to make sure you are not losing muscle!!
Also, why the name change? ???
I have always been known as a slayer of gods...hence the name change.... ;)
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hey busyb ...fuck you.
Candi,
No matter what you think, I do like you. You do have passion, more than most, that is a good thing in my eyes. You need to be driven and excited about nutrition and training, etc. to be successful in bodybuilding.
But I guess the combo of passion and info you read, gets misconstrued in that head of yours and it comes out sounding like some really stupid shit man.
One day you will look back and laugh at yourself. Just take it all in, learn, apply the stuff you learn and find out what works best for you. You need some real world experience young man, relax, enjoy the process....
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you wont lose muscle when your body is primarily using fat as an energy source.
one your in ketosis, you dont need to constantly check your ketone strips...your either FULLY in ketosis, or your FULLY out. and you can tell the difference. its a big difference.
and yeah...after two or so weeks9depends on each person), you will become "fat adapted", and you will not leave ketosis with out elimating fats from your diet....just like you wont leave a glucose powered state untill you eliminate carbs from your diet...
for some people though, becoming truly "fat adapted" takes very long....most people actually cant really achieve it...because they are too old and have been glucose powered for too long.
Uhmmm....right...how's that shrink working for you?
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hey busyb ...fuck you.
Bro, you need to seriously chill. People are going to raz you and for good reason, no one brought it on you, you did. So if you can't deal with that then I don't know what the fuck to tell you. You've pretty much alienated yourself from a lot of the vets here because of your attitude and you still aren't getting it.
I've reached the end of my rope, chill the fuck out or get the fuck out.
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You are using the "piss strips" to determine if you are in ketosis, right?
Bottome line with low carb, zero carb, everone responds differently. Just make sure to use the ketone strips and body fat test weekly to make sure you are not losing muscle!!
Also, why the name change? ???
Well here in Korea I don't have access to piss strips. Some years ago I experimented with the Ketogenic thing and I did have them. So I think 2-3 weeks should be ok. After 3 weeks or so I will introduce one carb loading day a week to keep the metabolism going (as well as my sanity). Projected duration of diet is 4 months. I have a lot of fat to lose, probably about 15 kilos before I look 'cut'...so I am in this for the long haul.
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I have always been known as a slayer of gods...hence the name change.... ;)
Ah, I see...Does that have to do with some of your tats? ???
Well here in Korea I don't have access to piss strips. Some years ago I experimented with the Ketogenic thing and I did have them. So I think 2-3 weeks should be ok. After 3 weeks or so I will introduce one carb loading day a week to keep the metabolism going (as well as my sanity). Projected duration of diet is 4 months. I have a lot of fat to lose, probably about 15 kilos before I look 'cut'...so I am in this for the long haul.
Cool bro, just let us know what is going on with your progress! ;)
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Uhmmm....right...how's that shrink working for you?
mother fucker i gave you some good information..legit information. say thank you and shut your fuckin mouth
I've reached the end of my rope, chill the fuck out or get the fuck out.
bro i only post on this site for entertainment nowdays.. iv learned that most of the people here dont really know jackshit. besides a few...and they are on the only board that i now post on with any type of seriousness. sure, ive had some pretty wacked theories. but they have all had more basis in fact than all the other bullshit people post. the latest one, where people thought it was so hilarious when i said you cant store body fat in the abcense of carbohydrates...just proves my point. bunch of fda advised dumb mother fuckers that dont understand jack shit about nutrition or the body besides "calories in vs. calories out"...which doesnt even mean jack shit. calorie? CALORIE? thats the stupidest fucking term in all of nutrition. who gives a fuck about calories...or basal metabolic rate, or daily intake.... noneof that shit matters...what matters is the body, its hormones, and its metabolic processes. macronutrients, digestion rates, and how chemicals interact and interrelate. thats what matters. " i have a bmr of 2565, and i ate 2250...thats a caloric deficit of 300 cals..." yo, who the fuck cares, what does that even mean? that could mean that you lost 2 lbs of muscle and gained 2 lbs of fat....OR it could mean that you gained a few ounces of muscle and lost a lb of fat..... but mother fuckers dont understand this shit. so yeah....im done giving the stupid mother fuckers of this board advice.
emmortal... i wasnt atacking you, dude. just ranting like a madman. your alright. i know how i must seem on this site.. youve got some legit reasons to say what youve said. its the othe rmother fuckers that get me pissed off.
cue some spelling/grammar police douchebag talking about me calling someone stupid when i have mispelled some shit.. whatever
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I understand where you're coming from but you gotta take things with a grain of salt. You just gotta chill and let things slide and not take things so fucking personal. This is the internet btw, and people get real ballsy behind the computer when there are no real consequences, I'm guilty of it from time to time myself.
There's some good guys here, some bullshitters, some newbs and some pros. There's a ton of bad with a ton of good, you just have to learn how to process it with a little more tact. Humility is something you need to learn, hell I try to remind myself of staying humble every day, there's always something new to learn and someone out there to learn from.
This is also Getbig where anything goes and everything usually does heh. Is it the best source of information? No, but it's certainly not the worst. Take that for what it is.
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candidate will soon measure 0.0% bf as measured by Jim Quinn, joining Flex Wheeler as the only people to achieve such a feat.
If only Flex hadn't brushed his teeth that last week, perhaps he could have held his astounding 0.0% BF level that he had just one week before.
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I do this but only when carb depleting gains can not be made without carbs infact even when dieting I diet with 600 grams of carbs a day....
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I understand carb depleting for three days, followed by carb loading for three days at the end of a 12-16 week pre-contest diet in which you gradually lower your carbs throughout the diet, I've done it myself, but carb depleting for weeks? That's interesting.
So in the absence of the extra water and fiber that comes from carbs, wouldn't a no carb diet lead to constipation? Though fiber slows down food digestion, which is a good thing, water and fiber also help move food waste out of your body quickly. So even if you drink extra water and take fiber and vitamin/mineral supplements to compensate, isn't it bad for your body to carry all that rotting meat and fat inside longer?
Also, wouldn't going low or no carb for so long mess up your body so that the next time you go back to moderate carb you'll store more fat from carbs than you normally would, gaining all your weight back plus some?
The whole thing just sounds like a recipe for constipation, hemorrhoids, colon cancer and fluctuating obesity. Maybe some people are just built to live on a very low to no carb diet without consequences.
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I did it for 2 days once and nearly went mad.
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I used to go 5 days with zero everything but water( water was kept to a minimum after the first 3 days) when I was younger wrestling AAU. Did that 3 or 4 different times. Horrible trying to practice with no food in you and dehydrated.
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I did it for 2 days once and nearly went mad.
Pussy... :P
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I understand carb depleting for three days, followed by carb loading for three days at the end of a 12-16 week pre-contest diet in which you gradually lower your carbs throughout the diet, I've done it myself, but carb depleting for weeks? That's interesting.
So in the absence of the extra water and fiber that comes from carbs, wouldn't a no carb diet lead to constipation? Though fiber slows down food digestion, which is a good thing, water and fiber also help move food waste out of your body quickly. So even if you drink extra water and take fiber and vitamin/mineral supplements to compensate, isn't it bad for your body to carry all that rotting meat and fat inside longer?
Also, wouldn't going low or no carb for so long mess up your body so that the next time you go back to moderate carb you'll store more fat from carbs than you normally would, gaining all your weight back plus some?
The whole thing just sounds like a recipe for constipation, hemorrhoids, colon cancer and fluctuating obesity. Maybe some people are just built to live on a very low to no carb diet without consequences.
Well...
Last time I did this I had great HDL levels Low Tryglyceride levels, etc...eating tons of saturated fat. Constipation....sort of...what fiber does is soften the shit up; yesterday my shit was so hard it clogged the toilet. When you finish a long term no carb diet, you need to gradually get back to carbs, slowly but surely. I only plan on doing it for 4 months or so. Anyway in about 2 weeks I will be introducing once a week carb loading days. You will never store fat from carbs if you liver and muscle glycogen reserves are empty; they get fillde up first, hence the slow readjustment period. Other than that, I miss the oats and fruit...but perfectly doable...also training is a bitch on non carb...but the fact is that it is physiologically impossible for me to drop weight on a high carb or moderate carb diet; I have tried it. Bad Carb Genetics. ;D
Anyway, say hello to Jebus for me man! :P
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Well...
Last time I did this I had great HDL levels Low Tryglyceride levels, etc...eating tons of saturated fat. Constipation....sort of...what fiber does is soften the shit up; yesterday my shit was so hard it clogged the toilet. When you finish a long term no carb diet, you need to gradually get back to carbs, slowly but surely. I only plan on doing it for 4 months or so. Anyway in about 2 weeks I will be introducing once a week carb loading days. You will never store fat from carbs if you liver and muscle glycogen reserves are empty; they get fillde up first, hence the slow readjustment period. Other than that, I miss the oats and fruit...but perfectly doable...also training is a bitch on non carb...but the fact is that it is physiologically impossible for me to drop weight on a high carb or moderate carb diet; I have tried it. Bad Carb Genetics. ;D
Good luck with your diet! ;D
Anyway, say hello to Jebus for me man! :P
Jebus? Who is that? Is that atheist for Jesus? This is the Nutrition board, not the Religion board. Man, for an atheist, you sure bring up God a lot, here and in the Politics board too. You bring up God more than theists do. Even your handle, Deicide, has to do with God. ;D