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Title: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: 240 is Back on March 21, 2008, 11:02:54 AM
Tom Platz.
He was at his best nearly a qauter of a century ago he finished 3 in the 1981 MR.O,but no one since has matched Tom Platz?s combination of conscious-altering size and cross-striated definition.He was legendary for his workout intensity.He reports that while weighing less then 230 pounds, he squatted eight reps with 635 pounds and 52 reps with 350 pounds.On numerous occasions, he squatted for 10 minutes straight for more than 100 reps with 225 pounds.This might seem like hyperbole, if not the fact that platz is seen in a video shot in 1992 sqautting 495 pounds for 23 reps with his thighs going below parallel.

TOM PLATZ: SQAUT RULES
1.Stretch thoroughly before beginning.
2.Go slowly below parallel.
3.Put everything you have into every set.

TOM PLATZ:LEG ROUTINE

EXCERSISE                        SETS               REPS
SQAUT                               8-12              5-20
HACK SQAUTS                      5                 10-15
LEG EXTENSIONS                 5-8               10-15
LYING LEG CURLS                 6-10             10-15
STANDING CALF RAISES        3-4               10-15
SEATED CALF RAISES           3-4               10-15
HACK MACHINE CALF RAISES 3-4                10-15


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: pellius on March 21, 2008, 11:15:18 AM
Like all champs, what exercises Platz did is not nearly as important as to how he did it. Training routines seem to vary little. The basic exercises remain fairly constant. I think it was Platz's ferocious intensity that set him apart.

(http://file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Philip%20Gilkey/Desktop/platz.jpg)


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Man of Steel on March 21, 2008, 11:19:05 AM
Like all champs, what exercises Platz did is not nearly as important as to how he did it. Training routines seem to vary little. The basic exercises remain fairly constant. I think it was Platz's ferocious intensity that set him apart.

(http://file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Philip%20Gilkey/Desktop/platz.jpg)

That and he's nuttier than a Payday.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: 240 is Back on March 21, 2008, 11:19:31 AM
8 to 12 sets of squats, followed by 5 more sets of hack squats.... that's some seriously high volume for the squat movement.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Man of Steel on March 21, 2008, 11:25:36 AM
Tom Platz woulda eaten handfuls of own his shit for 2 years if it made his thighs grow.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: JohnnyVegas on March 21, 2008, 11:30:37 AM
32 sets for thighs is a bit much.


Over training.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: emn1964 on March 21, 2008, 11:31:55 AM
That's some serious set volume right there.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Bluto on March 21, 2008, 11:32:28 AM
what a pussy

hardly got below 10 reps on any exercise



Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Swedish Viking on March 21, 2008, 11:49:37 AM
Where did you get that routine?  I worked with Platz for a while(he mentored me for 4-6 mos or so) and he told me he really didn't do more than 2 sets per exercise.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: The Squadfather on March 21, 2008, 12:07:02 PM
Where did you get that routine?  I worked with Platz for a while(he mentored me for 4-6 mos or so) and he told me he really didn't do more than 2 sets per exercise.
exactly, the 8-12 sets of squats was only if he was doing lower reps, he would do AT MOST 2 sets if he was doing higher reps, i had a video of him doing 335 for 40 reps and that was the ONLY set of squats he did for that workout, he did some leg extensions after that and that was it, seems like that fuccker stretched for a half hour before starting.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: 240 is Back on March 21, 2008, 12:07:17 PM
Where did you get that routine?  I worked with Platz for a while(he mentored me for 4-6 mos or so) and he told me he really didn't do more than 2 sets per exercise.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/history/topic/53679-1.html

I was reading about platz's leg trainig in the arnold encyclopedia today (pg 495 if i recall)

They didn't detail his set/rep scheme... i googled it.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 21, 2008, 12:16:22 PM
 :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJJZ5XhS17E


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: The Squadfather on March 21, 2008, 12:19:23 PM
hahahahaa, gotta love the "If ever you're in my arms again" playing in the backround. ;D


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Meso_z on March 21, 2008, 01:44:42 PM
hahahahaa, gotta love the "If ever you're in my arms again" playing in the backround. ;D

lol, it puts some "drama"  ;D


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: windsor88 on March 21, 2008, 04:13:41 PM
that vid was intense.  I wonder if he was playing it up a bit? 


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: 240 is Back on March 21, 2008, 07:16:11 PM
I tried tom platz' leg workout tonight.  couldn't get near that many sets of squats.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: webcake on March 21, 2008, 07:28:16 PM
hahahahha, gotta live that vid


MORE!!!!! KILL ME!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Gym dude on March 22, 2008, 12:35:33 AM
good vid.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: England_1 on March 22, 2008, 12:50:58 AM
If you just played that sound byte to someone they would think Tom was either taking a shit or having gay sex  :-X


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: JohnnyVegas on March 22, 2008, 12:59:56 AM
:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJJZ5XhS17E

Fucking A, Platz's calves look amazing in this video, and his biceps-peaked out like a missle.

Incredible physique on that guy!!!!!!


The dyed bond hair looks pretty gay though!


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Meso_z on March 22, 2008, 01:10:41 AM
lol :o :o :o :o :o :o

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 22, 2008, 05:17:57 AM
I wonder if he was playing it up a bit? 
For sure. Like in the squat video with Hatfield where he does 20+ reps when he almost falls after the set you can see he's acting a bit, adding a bit of flair. He's very entertaining though.  :D


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: kiwiol on March 22, 2008, 05:26:45 AM
:D

That's not Arvilla


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: MarvinEderFan on March 22, 2008, 05:57:10 AM
that is NOT Tom's routine.
Anyone with knowledge of Tom's training know he  never advocated any such volume and that he did quite less sets than that...but all out on his sets.

During his foundation work he alternated between a heavy and a rep day.
Later on he focused almost only on medium-high reps with heavy weight.

Swedish is right..Tom usually didn't do much more than 2 sets per movement, INCLUDING squats :)


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: The Coach on March 22, 2008, 06:56:21 AM
Tom Platz.
He was at his best nearly a qauter of a century ago he finished 3 in the 1981 MR.O,but no one since has matched Tom Platz?s combination of conscious-altering size and cross-striated definition.He was legendary for his workout intensity.He reports that while weighing less then 230 pounds, he squatted eight reps with 635 pounds and 52 reps with 350 pounds.On numerous occasions, he squatted for 10 minutes straight for more than 100 reps with 225 pounds.This might seem like hyperbole, if not the fact that platz is seen in a video shot in 1992 sqautting 495 pounds for 23 reps with his thighs going below parallel.

TOM PLATZ: SQAUT RULES
1.Stretch thoroughly before beginning.
2.Go slowly below parallel.
3.Put everything you have into every set.

TOM PLATZ:LEG ROUTINE

EXCERSISE                        SETS               REPS
SQAUT                               8-12              5-20
HACK SQAUTS                      5                 10-15
LEG EXTENSIONS                 5-8               10-15
LYING LEG CURLS                 6-10             10-15
STANDING CALF RAISES        3-4               10-15
SEATED CALF RAISES           3-4               10-15
HACK MACHINE CALF RAISES 3-4                10-15

Great routein, but with todays research and findings, stretching would never come first before a warm up.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: njflex on March 22, 2008, 07:04:22 AM
those legs were unreal front to back and conditioned to the max,upper body was ok not a good flow to it,but he was a good guy it seems and pushed his genetics to its limit.other than jeff king nobody in that era had that full and thick sweeping quads that looked flexed ,relaxed.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: 240 is Back on March 22, 2008, 09:09:03 AM
Great routein, but with todays research and findings, stretching would never come first before a warm up.

yeah, i've read that warmups are important but stretching a lot causes injury.
Arnold's encyc said Platza did 15 min of stretching before lifting.  I actually stretched a lot yesterday before doing legs... turned out, after 2 sets of squats my hamstrings were burning so bad I had to move on to leg extensions then come back to hacks after they cooled down.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: duncanlukas on March 22, 2008, 11:36:14 AM
thats why ur a pussy.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: The Coach on March 22, 2008, 11:37:06 AM
yeah, i've read that warmups are important but stretching a lot causes injury.
Arnold's encyc said Platza did 15 min of stretching before lifting.  I actually stretched a lot yesterday before doing legs... turned out, after 2 sets of squats my hamstrings were burning so bad I had to move on to leg extensions then come back to hacks after they cooled down.

Imagine taking a rubberband out of a freezer and trying stretch it, what do think would happen? It would more than likely snap (injury) Now, take a rubberband out the freezer, heat it up and pull it....it has much more flexability.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: polychronopolous on March 22, 2008, 11:41:06 AM
Imagine taking a rubberband out of a freezer and trying stretch it, what do think would happen? It would more than likely snap (injury) Now, take a rubberband out the freezer, heat it up and pull it....it has much more flexability.
LOL, "the coach" trying to give out some more bullshit advice. You don't coach shit.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: IronMagazine.com on March 22, 2008, 11:49:23 AM
Tom Platz is a legend in bodybuilding, I don't think his passion and love of bodybuilding will ever be surpassed, not to mention his leg development, even by today's standards his legs (quads, hams and calves) would beat ANY pro today on stage, hands down.

Beyond that, he has character, charisma, intelligence, education and class. He respects people and is respected by everyone in return. I REALLY wish he would have stayed more involved in pro bodybuilding, he is one of the greats that could help the sport from going down the toilet the way it is.

I met him in the 80's and went to a 2 day seminar again a few years ago, he is a class act, it was a great experience and it's too bad he is not involved in the sport much any more.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: The Coach on March 22, 2008, 11:54:52 AM
LOL..."Bullshit"? Ok gimmick ok, prove me wrong.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: 240 is Back on March 22, 2008, 11:55:28 AM
Imagine taking a rubberband out of a freezer and trying stretch it, what do think would happen? It would more than likely snap (injury) Now, take a rubberband out the freezer, heat it up and pull it....it has much more flexability.

how many minutes of leg stretching, and how many minutes of walking on treadmill, should one do before tackling heavy squats?


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: The Squadfather on March 22, 2008, 11:57:01 AM
how many minutes of leg stretching, and how many minutes of walking on treadmill, should one do before tackling heavy squats?
none, just warm up with lighter squats, the bar, then 135,225,315, etc.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: polychronopolous on March 22, 2008, 12:00:09 PM
LOL..."Bullshit"? Ok gimmick ok, prove me wrong.
So, "the coach" if the average high school football player runs a 4.6, then basic rules of average would say that some of the slower guys run 4.9s and 5.0s while the faster guys would run 4.2s and 4.3s (on the "average high school team)..... LOL you don't even know what the fuck you are talking about. You are the typical 80's lifter who goes around in the gym trying to give advice to people who are repulsed by you.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: The Coach on March 22, 2008, 12:02:20 PM
Prove me wrong!


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: polychronopolous on March 22, 2008, 12:07:07 PM
There is running backs in the NFL that run 4.6s, you are saying that the "average" 17 year old kid who plays football runs a 4.6? The sad thing about these crazy statements is that there is probably some little kid (maybe a nephew or whatever) that really looks up to you and believes all this bullshit you say.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: The Coach on March 22, 2008, 12:13:22 PM
Can't prove me wrong gimmick?

BTW, I don't coach football, I just train them. Still waiting to prove me wrong.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: whateva on March 22, 2008, 12:14:55 PM
Imagine taking a rubberband out of a freezer and trying stretch it, what do think would happen? It would more than likely snap (injury) Now, take a rubberband out the freezer, heat it up and pull it....it has much more flexability.
Exactly , common sense.    you can stretch between sets also .
none, just warm up with lighter squats, the bar, then 135,225,315, etc.
Good advice .


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: kcballer on March 22, 2008, 12:20:35 PM
you're half right, half wrong there coach.  I agree stretching when completely cold is often a bad idea, you do need to get some kind of heat or warmth in your body.  But it doesn't have to come from working sets or running a treadmill, just slowly building up in movements and stretch's can do it.  Example yoga, there are forms of yoga that basically just build up in range of movement and they are a lot more flexible than most athletes.  From personal experience i find i perform best when i stretch and build up slowly doing that, i'm much more dynamic than if i go for a run as a warm up.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: The Coach on March 22, 2008, 12:28:27 PM
Respectfully, I am not the one who said treadmill or working sets, when my clients or athletes warm up, its usually a 15 min dynamic, followed by self myofacial release with a foam roller, then the work out and strech AFTER the work out. Studies have shown that this protocol not only reduces injury but increases performance.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: polychronopolous on March 22, 2008, 12:35:17 PM
The stuff he is saying is what probably 95% of people who have been lifting for years, already do. You don't just go under a 405lb squat and start lifting.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: The Coach on March 22, 2008, 01:16:31 PM
Warming up with a load is hard on knees and hips, eapecially if you live in cold climates and if you are older.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Camel Jockey on March 22, 2008, 01:55:34 PM
Guy was a warrior, but I don't believe he did that much every leg workout.. Really not even needed.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: IronMagazine.com on March 22, 2008, 02:50:18 PM
Really not even needed.

funny you say that about someone that had the best legs in all of bodybuilding history.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: The Squadfather on March 22, 2008, 03:13:41 PM
funny you say that about someone that had the best legs in all of bodybuilding history.
comeon man you don't honestly believe he was doing 8-12 sets when he was doing reps of 15-20 do you? like i said earlier i had an old "Powerlifter Video" from 11-12 years ago with a segment on Tom on it and the guy did ONE set of squats with 335 for 40 below parallel with a close stance and then some extensions and that's it, the 8-12 sets were for when he did 3's and 5's which he would do on occasion.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: The Coach on March 22, 2008, 05:51:04 PM
It was a video Dave, like the one where Ronnie does an 800 DL, you don't think he does that on a regular basis do you?


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: onlyme on March 22, 2008, 08:47:10 PM
I can't believe no one on here has seen Platz train legs in person. I seen him many times back at World's in the early 80's.  Like I have said many times on here I never seen anyone train legs like him.  The exercise I remember most though is when he did standing calf raises where he went to failure on every set and had two guys after the last rep literally carry him over to the bench to sit down.  He was nuts.  And I have never seen peter siegal until this video.  I had several appointments set up for me that I never went to.  people swear by him but I never could believe in what he did.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: onlyme on March 22, 2008, 08:48:34 PM
By the way this is till an AWESOME video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjtVvYk1HWw


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: 240 is Back on March 22, 2008, 08:48:50 PM
I can't believe no one on here has seen Platz train legs in person. I seen him many times back at World's in the early 80's.  Like I have said many times on here I never seen anyone train legs like him.  The exercise I remember most though is when he did standing calf raises where he went to failure on every set and had two guys after the last rep literally carry him over to the bench to sit down.  He was nuts.  And I have never seen peter siegal until this video.  I had several appointments set up for me that I never went to.  people swear by him but I never could believe in what he did.


about how many sets did platz do on leg day, total?


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: sgt. d on March 22, 2008, 09:10:28 PM
32 sets for thighs is a bit much.


Over training.

Milos you do 300,000 exercises just for one bodypart.  ::)


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: onlyme on March 22, 2008, 09:12:36 PM

about how many sets did platz do on leg day, total?

I didn't count but it was a good hour at least.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: dzulboy on March 22, 2008, 09:41:22 PM
32 sets for thighs is a bit much.


Over training.

yeah his legs look underdeveloped  ::)


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on March 22, 2008, 10:00:58 PM
u gotta love platz, had average genetics and yet became one of the most famous bbers of all time through sheer willpower YESSSS MORE!! KILL ME!!!!!
brutal intensity.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Swedish Viking on March 22, 2008, 10:14:35 PM

about how many sets did platz do on leg day, total?

not including calves, 6 to absolute max 10


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: MarvinEderFan on March 23, 2008, 02:30:59 AM
onlyme, what were the most impressive lifting feats you saw platz perform? on squats, etc


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 23, 2008, 02:53:52 AM
comeon man you don't honestly believe he was doing 8-12 sets when he was doing reps of 15-20 do you? like i said earlier i had an old "Powerlifter Video" from 11-12 years ago with a segment on Tom on it and the guy did ONE set of squats with 335 for 40 below parallel with a close stance and then some extensions and that's it, the 8-12 sets were for when he did 3's and 5's which he would do on occasion.
I remember an MD article about a decade ago where he said he did 2 "death sets" of squats and that was it. He had a yearly plan, lowered the reps as the months went by and actually went to a max single at the end of the year. Towards the end of the year he stopped leg training for a month and only rode his bike. "This is when the legs come out" he said.

For recovery after leg workouts he drank expensive cognac and had a cigar.  :D


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Meso_z on March 23, 2008, 04:26:59 AM
onlyme, what were the most impressive lifting feats you saw platz perform? on squats, etc

I would like to hear that too..

And squadfather do you still have the video? if you could post the clip on youtube it would be great.... :)


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: The Squadfather on March 23, 2008, 06:22:07 AM
I would like to hear that too..

And squadfather do you still have the video? if you could post the clip on youtube it would be great.... :)
i wish i still had it, it was a VHS tape that's how old it was but i haven't been able to find it, Powerlifter Video used to advertise in Powerlifting USA years ago and on this one Tom trains legs at Gold's Venice and the whole gym was literally cheering Tom on watching him do that set.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: onlyme on March 23, 2008, 07:41:55 AM
onlyme, what were the most impressive lifting feats you saw platz perform? on squats, etc

To be honest I really didn't look around that much when I was training.  the times I mostly saw guys lift was when I was sitting around or walking to get a drink.  The guy I trained with back then was Ron Depolito and he was on me all the time.  There was hardly any talking or sitting around.  He would do his set and I would have to immediately do mine.  I really didn't then and still now hardly pay attention to others in the gym.  There are certain things I remember though vividly and the standing calf thing is one of them cause I was sitting right next to the machine.  I seen him squat plenty of times but really don't remember that he did anything special in ways of weight or I probably would remember.  Like when Bertil Fox came in the gym and bench 500 with no warmup or anything.  I remember that as did probably everyone there especially Kal Skylak (?sp).  Since he was going around telling everyone who that was. 


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: pkaz on March 23, 2008, 09:16:34 AM

about how many sets did platz do on leg day, total?

The only time Platz was doing two sets of squats was years after his legs were massive and he was trying to bring his upper body up. 8 to 10 sets of squats was the norm. But remember the first 5 to 6 six sets were basically warm ups to get to a heavier weight. Going all out was on the last few sets only.  I trained with Platz a few times  in World Gym in the early 80s and he did a lot of sets and the last few were to failure and beyond. He was extreme.  Onlyme was there also..


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: The Squadfather on March 23, 2008, 10:44:23 AM
The only time Platz was doing two sets of squats was years after his legs were massive and he was trying to bring his upper body up. 8 to 10 sets of squats was the norm. But remember the first 5 to 6 six sets were basically warm ups to get to a heavier weight. Going all out was on the last few sets only.  I trained with Platz a few times  in World Gym in the early 80s and he did a lot of sets and the last few were to failure and beyond. He was extreme.  Onlyme was there also..
not flaming at all but do you have any pics or any more stories?


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: YoungBlood on March 23, 2008, 10:45:43 AM
In an interview I have with Platz, they asked him how many sets he did and there were two answers....

On Day One, he did around 10-12 sets, including warm-ups.
On Day Two, he did 6-8 sets, NOT including warm-ups.

Why he included warm-ups on total set amount one day and not another is beyond me. ??? ???


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: MAXX on March 23, 2008, 11:17:54 AM
yeah, i've read that warmups are important but stretching a lot causes injury.
Arnold's encyc said Platza did 15 min of stretching before lifting.  I actually stretched a lot yesterday before doing legs... turned out, after 2 sets of squats my hamstrings were burning so bad I had to move on to leg extensions then come back to hacks after they cooled down.
say what? hahaha stupid


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 23, 2008, 11:38:19 AM
say what? hahaha stupid
Well, this depends on which expert you ask. Many say it's harmful if done to extremes as stability is inversely related to flexibility. Being too flexible would predispose you to injury. Then there were a few studies showing athletes who stretched had a higher rate of injury.

Edit. Here's one article after a quick search:

Quote
6/21/04
No bending or twisting
By Emily Sohn

Can't touch your toes? Don't sweat it. For decades, flexibility has been considered a key element of fitness. From the professional football field to the local health club, trainers have advocated stretching as part of a regular workout. But new research is showing that stretching does not prevent injuries or make you any less sore the next day. On top of that, it doesn't appear to improve performance.



Stretching might, in fact, cause more problems than it solves, say a growing number of researchers. This is especially true for women, who tend to suffer from knee, ankle, and other soft-tissue injuries far more often than men do. Extra flexibility might be to blame. "It is so hard to believe that stretching could somehow be the enemy," says exercise physiologist Stacy Ingraham of the University of Minnesota-Twin Cities. "But there has never been any science that actually put stretching into the athletic world."

Indeed, a recent review underscores how little support there is for the value of pulling, reaching, and twisting. Researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found only six studies designed to isolate the effects of stretching, and none showed a link between stretching more and getting hurt less, says lead researcher Stephen Thacker. In fact, says Ingraham, more-pliable muscles might cause more injuries than they prevent, especially if you stretch before you exercise. Baseball players are notorious for stretching before games, Ingraham says, yet they tear muscles and ligaments all the time. "One study showed that marathon runners who stretched had a higher rate of injuries than those that didn't," says fitness expert Jay Blahnik, author of Full-Body Flexibility .

But why? One explanation is that stretching muscle fibers makes them less stable and less able to resist the jarring impact of running or jumping. Stretching may hinder performance because a stretched muscle can't produce the same kind of force as an unstretched one. And as muscle fibers lengthen, it takes longer for the brain's messages to tell the muscles to move.

Rather than stretching, Blahnik and other experts encourage people to warm up by jogging slowly, lightly swinging a golf club, or doing whatever else they need to do to achieve the range of motion required for their activity. Strengthening and conditioning exercises are also helpful, Ingraham says, because fatigue and muscle weakness cause most injuries. The only reason stretching feels so good, she says, is that it results in tiny tears in the muscle fibers. The body then releases hormones that mask the pain.

Flexibility might even help explain why women are up to 10 times as likely as men to tear the anterior cruciate ligament in their knees, and four times as likely to have serious ankle sprains, among other injuries, Ingraham says. She studies a hormone called relaxin, which increases flexibility in women. Unlike men, women have receptors for the hormone in their ACL s and in their pubic ligaments. Levels of the hormone change throughout a woman's monthly cycle. In a study of 28 women over three months, Ingraham found, participants were more likely to get injured when levels of relaxin were highest. Stretching might have the same effect, she says.

Not all experts agree that stretching is all bad all the time. Light stretching is OK as part of a cool-down after a workout, Blahnik says, because it won't affect performance and won't cause injury. The key is to do stretches that stay within your normal range of motion. Most important of all, Thacker says, is that people keep moving. "We strongly believe that we want to have people exercising. We just don't want people going out and getting hurt.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: pkaz on March 23, 2008, 01:34:27 PM
not flaming at all but do you have any pics or any more stories?

Squad,

I do not have any pictures as Joe Gold, who owned World Gym back then would not allow cameras in his gym (unless you were doing profession photo shoots). I met Platz in early 1979 when I was training at World. I trained there through the early and mid 80s and met and had the opportunity to work out with a number of the top guys from that era. Back then the training environment was a mix of professionism and enjoyment as opposed to business today.

As for Platz, he was one of the most intense BB I have ever meet. He trained a body part until he could not move the weight anymore. This include partials and then just rocking the weight. He did this with everthing. I used to spot him on laying leg raises where he would do as many as he could and then have me hold his legs while he tried to raise them. This would go on for 20 to 40 seconds. He did a lot of sets but backed off hitting legs so hard when they totally overpowered his upper body. Then he primarily did maintenance exercises and hit his upper body harder but still occasionally blasting legs a couple times a month.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: onlyme on March 23, 2008, 08:11:16 PM
Squad,

I do not have any pictures as Joe Gold, who owned World Gym back then would not allow cameras in his gym (unless you were doing profession photo shoots). I met Platz in early 1979 when I was training at World. I trained there through the early and mid 80s and met and had the opportunity to work out with a number of the top guys from that era. Back then the training environment was a mix of professionism and enjoyment as opposed to business today.

As for Platz, he was one of the most intense BB I have ever meet. He trained a body part until he could not move the weight anymore. This include partials and then just rocking the weight. He did this with everthing. I used to spot him on laying leg raises where he would do as many as he could and then have me hold his legs while he tried to raise them. This would go on for 20 to 40 seconds. He did a lot of sets but backed off hitting legs so hard when they totally overpowered his upper body. Then he primarily did maintenance exercises and hit his upper body harder but still occasionally blasting legs a couple times a month.

Exactly.  NO cameras allowed in the gym.. Tony was the enforcer of this rule bigtime.  I saw him push some tourists who came down the stairs it was awesome.  Pkaz did you train at Worlds in the morning.  I trained every morning with Ron Depolito, did you know him.  He was a guy who provided the girls for the parties the guys had sometimes.  He drove a pink corvette at one time.  I heard he lost a leg and blamed the steroids on it.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: pkaz on March 23, 2008, 09:24:25 PM
Exactly.  NO cameras allowed in the gym.. Tony was the enforcer of this rule bigtime.  I saw him push some tourists who came down the stairs it was awesome.  Pkaz did you train at Worlds in the morning.  I trained every morning with Ron Depolito, did you know him.  He was a guy who provided the girls for the parties the guys had sometimes.  He drove a pink corvette at one time.  I heard he lost a leg and blamed the steroids on it.


Keith,

I used to train in the afternoons between 2:00 and 5:00 PM except on Saturdays. And yes I knew Ron. You and I exchanged PM's about Ron in 2006. I knew Ron very very well. I was introduced to Ron by his cousin. I used to visit him at his Venice apartment and there was always a different gal exiting as I arrived... His owned a Gym in LA for awhile called LA City Gym but he lost it when he went to jail for "suppling those girls"....  He was an interesting guy to say the least..


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Disgusted on March 23, 2008, 10:07:15 PM
Now we know why there are so few pics of Platz training. Good job Joe Gold.  ::)


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: onlyme on March 23, 2008, 10:39:13 PM

Keith,

I used to train in the afternoons between 2:00 and 5:00 PM except on Saturdays. And yes I knew Ron. You and I exchanged PM's about Ron in 2006. I knew Ron very very well. I was introduced to Ron by his cousin. I used to visit him at his Venice apartment and there was always a different gal exiting as I arrived... His owned a Gym in LA for awhile called LA City Gym but he lost it when he went to jail for "suppling those girls"....  He was an interesting guy to say the least..

Yes I remember sorry.  He was introduced to me by Rose and Dan Keller.  did you know them.  Very beautiful red head with huge boobs.  He Bodybuilded but not sure if he competed.  It was fun back then.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Max_Rep on March 23, 2008, 11:23:13 PM
Where did you get that routine?  I worked with Platz for a while(he mentored me for 4-6 mos or so) and he told me he really didn't do more than 2 sets per exercise.

I watched him train all summer in 1981 and he ALWAYS did 4 or more sets (sometimes many more) per exercise.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Max_Rep on March 23, 2008, 11:40:54 PM
In an interview I have with Platz, they asked him how many sets he did and there were two answers....

On Day One, he did around 10-12 sets, including warm-ups.
On Day Two, he did 6-8 sets, NOT including warm-ups.

Why he included warm-ups on total set amount one day and not another is beyond me. ??? ???

Because he didn't go in thinking "I'm going to do 4 sets there, 2 there, three there." He trained an exercise until he felt done. Then he'd move onto the next. He trained like a man possessed. Iíve never seen anyone even come close to Tomís intensityÖ he made EVERYONE look like slackers. On many exercises it seemed like set after set after set. 


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: pellius on March 24, 2008, 01:59:11 AM
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Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: MAXX on March 24, 2008, 11:04:22 AM
I watched him train all summer in 1981 and he ALWAYS did 4 or more sets (sometimes many more) per exercise.

cool im going to start doing 8 set squats to now  8)


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Max_Rep on March 24, 2008, 11:31:12 AM
cool im going to start doing 8 set squats to now  8)

So you took my post as a recommendation?  Good interpretation.  I was simply pointing out that the guy that said Platz only did 2 sets of an exercise was incorrect or maybe even more accurate would be that maybe after 1981 he changed his entire training strategy.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: The Squadfather on March 24, 2008, 11:43:17 AM
So you took my post as a recommendation?  Good interpretation.  I was simply pointing out that the guy that said Platz only did 2 sets of an exercise was incorrect or maybe even more accurate would be that maybe after 1981 he changed his entire training strategy.
i said that when Platz DID SETS OF 25,30 OR 40 THAT HE DID ONLY 2 SETS, and i stand by that, i believe that if he was doing normal sets of 8-10 then he would do a higher of sets.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: coltrane on March 24, 2008, 11:51:26 AM
how many of you go slowly on the descend?

I think i need to slow my speed down


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Swedish Viking on March 24, 2008, 12:08:37 PM
I watched him train all summer in 1981 and he ALWAYS did 4 or more sets (sometimes many more) per exercise.

  I believe you.  I can only go by what he told me, maybe he was referring to later in his career.  I do know what you guys are talking about in reference to intensity though.  I would always show up wayyy early to our sessions together so I could go into the back room and watch the his old training videos.   You would honestly think that he was in a blinding rage with the weights somehow.  He literally attacked them, I mean the whole apparatus or whatever he was using would shake.  When he couldn't do anymore, he would just vibrate at the top or the bottom of the rep doing tiny tiny contractions, getting anything that he could out of it.  I really can't begin to describe to those that haven't seen it, it looked like actual insanity. 


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Max_Rep on March 24, 2008, 01:53:54 PM
  I believe you.  I can only go by what he told me, maybe he was referring to later in his career.  I do know what you guys are talking about in reference to intensity though.  I would always show up wayyy early to our sessions together so I could go into the back room and watch the his old training videos.   You would honestly think that he was in a blinding rage with the weights somehow.  He literally attacked them, I mean the whole apparatus or whatever he was using would shake.  When he couldn't do anymore, he would just vibrate at the top or the bottom of the rep doing tiny tiny contractions, getting anything that he could out of it.  I really can't begin to describe to those that haven't seen it, it looked like actual insanity. 

Yes youíre absolutely 100% dead on. That about describes it yet, itís absolutely impossible to describe it in writing and do it any kind of justice for anyone reading. Platz training just had to be seen to be appreciated. Everyone in the gym, even top competitors would raise the bar on their own intensity when Tom was around. How could anyone with any amount of self-respect punk out when Tom was absolutely torturing himself a few feet away.

Iíd love to get my hands on that footage. I have video of him training with Leo Costa and it pales in comparison to what I saw him do in person. He was hungry and he NEEDED that Olympia title. It was also before he got injured. The only place itís recorded is in my memory and Iím a feeble old man. Ha!   


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: pkaz on March 24, 2008, 08:06:18 PM
Yes I remember sorry.  He was introduced to me by Rose and Dan Keller.  did you know them.  Very beautiful red head with huge boobs.  He Bodybuilded but not sure if he competed.  It was fun back then.

No, I did not know Rose and Dan Keller. And I do not believe Ron ever competed, but he did look pretty good especially for his age.

Are you living in Vegas now? Next time I am out we have to get together and talk about the good old days, like Cassidy's in MB, etc....


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Max_Rep on March 25, 2008, 12:02:39 AM
No, I did not know Rose and Dan Keller. And I do not believe Ron ever competed, but he did look pretty good especially for his age.

Are you living in Vegas now? Next time I am out we have to get together and talk about the good old days, like Cassidy's in MB, etc....

Oh yeah Cassidy's pub in Manhattan Beach... Not to far from Tequilla Willies and Sousolito South. Keith and I have bragging rights on those places... and Annabelles in Redondo Beach!


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: onlyme on March 25, 2008, 12:32:14 AM
No, I did not know Rose and Dan Keller. And I do not believe Ron ever competed, but he did look pretty good especially for his age.

Are you living in Vegas now? Next time I am out we have to get together and talk about the good old days, like Cassidy's in MB, etc....

yes. 

Oh yeah Cassidy's pub in Manhattan Beach... Not to far from Tequilla Willies and Sousolito South. Keith and I have bragging rights on those places... and Annabelles in Redondo Beach!

yes we do.  those were awesome time there


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: CoolDuck on March 25, 2008, 03:39:57 AM
Tom Platz.
He was at his best nearly a qauter of a century ago he finished 3 in the 1981 MR.O,but no one since has matched Tom Platz?s combination of conscious-altering size and cross-striated definition.He was legendary for his workout intensity.He reports that while weighing less then 230 pounds, he squatted eight reps with 635 pounds and 52 reps with 350 pounds.On numerous occasions, he squatted for 10 minutes straight for more than 100 reps with 225 pounds.This might seem like hyperbole, if not the fact that platz is seen in a video shot in 1992 sqautting 495 pounds for 23 reps with his thighs going below parallel.

Does anyone know how long he used to rest between sets?

CD


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: pkaz on March 25, 2008, 05:21:37 AM
Oh yeah Cassidy's pub in Manhattan Beach... Not to far from Tequilla Willies and Sousolito South. Keith and I have bragging rights on those places... and Annabelles in Redondo Beach!

I use to bounce there many years ago... I kind-of remember Keith. And lets not forget the Red Onion in Redondo...


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Max_Rep on March 25, 2008, 08:40:31 AM
I use to bounce there many years ago... I kind-of remember Keith. And lets not forget the Red Onion in Redondo...

Red onion was also cool. You bounced at Cassidy's? Mmmmm now I'm wondering if I know you too.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: Max_Rep on March 25, 2008, 08:42:38 AM
Does anyone know how long he used to rest between sets?

CD

I don't really remember but I can tell you it was a lot less than most guys do today.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: pkaz on March 25, 2008, 08:13:17 PM
Red onion was also cool. You bounced at Cassidy's? Mmmmm now I'm wondering if I know you too.

You probable do although that was a long time ago. I spent many Friday's and Saturday's there. I think I remember Keith but then he always left an impression. That was a hot club in its day. I remember they used to line up down the street to get in...


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: pkaz on March 25, 2008, 08:14:50 PM
Does anyone know how long he used to rest between sets?

CD

Platz rested a few minutes for his very heavy sets but only about two when he was doing high reps low sets.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: onlyme on March 25, 2008, 10:47:36 PM
I use to bounce there many years ago... I kind-of remember Keith. And lets not forget the Red Onion in Redondo...

Holy macrel you bounced there.  I went there alot .  I always had the DJ play slow songs cause I only danced slow and the other people get mad.  One time I had a bet with my friends I could get this girl to give me her underwear while we danced.  it was $50.  I told her about the bet while we were dancing and told her I would give her $25 of it if she gave them to me.  She stopped in the middle of the dance and took them off under her dress.  it was great.  I also got banned from there for a little while cause I did not know but I hit the owner.  Some kind of scuffle going on at the front and he was a smart ass and said something to me r my friend and he was at the top of the stairs a few steps above me and I punched at him and barely hit him and he said I was outta there.  That place was pretty fun.  Most of the bouncers in all the clubs let us (the Tequilla Willies bouncers) in there clubs no problem and no waiting.  We did the same at our club.  Man those were the days. 

Remember Lococos just down from you.  Man I got in a mean brawl there.  How about Annabelles, now there was the place.  Guys I love talking about this shit.  And yes Red Onion was fun to.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: 240 is Back on March 26, 2008, 08:30:12 AM
anyone have youtube clips of platz training?


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: pkaz on March 26, 2008, 08:30:46 PM
Holy macrel you bounced there.  I went there alot .  I always had the DJ play slow songs cause I only danced slow and the other people get mad.  One time I had a bet with my friends I could get this girl to give me her underwear while we danced.  it was $50.  I told her about the bet while we were dancing and told her I would give her $25 of it if she gave them to me.  She stopped in the middle of the dance and took them off under her dress.  it was great.  I also got banned from there for a little while cause I did not know but I hit the owner.  Some kind of scuffle going on at the front and he was a smart ass and said something to me r my friend and he was at the top of the stairs a few steps above me and I punched at him and barely hit him and he said I was outta there.  That place was pretty fun.  Most of the bouncers in all the clubs let us (the Tequilla Willies bouncers) in there clubs no problem and no waiting.  We did the same at our club.  Man those were the days. 

Remember Lococos just down from you.  Man I got in a mean brawl there.  How about Annabelles, now there was the place.  Guys I love talking about this shit.  And yes Red Onion was fun to.

Yea the scuffles always happened at the top of the stairs. That was a good feature. The owner, Lloyd, was a real red neck type. Great guy, tuff and a smart ass.. If he didn't like the looks of someone in the club he would have me ask the person if they wanted a drink. When they said no, I would say can I speak to you by the door. Once by the door it was good night, bye.. Many times someone would go after you at the door but because of the stairs it didn't take much for them be be going down on their ass. I had some real fun times at Cassidy's.. Especially at closing. All the women who didn't hook up during the evening would be giving me there phone number or waiting by my car when I left.

It was a blast. Hey, I forgot about Annabelles. That was a great place too... You know, either I am just to old or the South Bay does not have clubs like those were. Oh and Beach Bums Berts also....


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: pkaz on March 26, 2008, 08:31:54 PM
anyone have youtube clips of platz training?

Sorry Rob, your tread got highjacked by us reminiscing...


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: 240 is Back on March 27, 2008, 06:55:30 AM
Sorry Rob, your tread got highjacked by use reminiscing...

alzheimers is a bitch.


Title: Re: Tom Platz' leg routine
Post by: The Squadfather on March 27, 2008, 06:59:07 AM
here you go Rob.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjtVvYk1HWw