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for all of you nuthuggers who believe the Great Arnold walked on water here's the truth
Height-6'1"
Weight 235-240 pounds
Arms-right at 20 inches pumped
Chest-52 inches
Waist-34-35 inches
Legs-26 inches
Bench Press-405 pound single, 315 for a good set of 8-10
Squat-405 for a couple of reps
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for all of you nuthuggers who believe the Great Arnold walked on water here's the truth
Height-6'1"
Weight 235-240 pounds
Arms-right at 20 inches pumped
Chest-52 inches
Waist-34-35 inches
Legs-26 inches
Bench Press-405 pound single, 315 for a good set of 8-10
Squat-405 for a couple of reps
Bullshit!
Arthur Jones measured Arnolds arms at 19 5/8 cold. You can add in another 1.5 inches pumped which would bring his arms to over 21.
Franco had a 50 inch chest-and Armold makes Franco look like a 5th graders. More like 60 inches for Arnold's chest.
I also think the bench press is way too low.
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I made a thread last time that Ronnie Coleman had 21.7 inch arms, nobody believed me even though countless others saw it on video (videos were removed) ???
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Bullshit!
Arthur Jones measured Arnolds arms at 19 5/8 cold. You can add in another 1.5 inches pumped which would bring his arms to over 21.
Franco had a 50 inch chest-and Armold makes Franco look like a 5th graders. More like 60 inches for Arnold's chest.
I also think the bench press is way too low.
sorry man those are the real deal, i'm sorry i had to hurt your feelings.
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sorry man those are the real deal, i'm sorry i had to hurt your feelings.
From which source?
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From which source?
from looking at him.
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Im surprised by the squats, i thought he would ve been doing a good 5 plates a side.
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sorry man those are the real deal, i'm sorry i had to hurt your feelings.
BOOM! at .49
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it makes me laugh how people get so upset when you say he had a 405 pound bench press as if that's somehow a terrible number, i'll gaurantee you that 98 percent of this board can't do that, me included.
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BOOM! at .49
and what does that prove? we're supposed to believe it just because he says it? ::)
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Im surprised by the squats, i thought he would ve been doing a good 5 plates a side.
With 26 inch legs??? Are you serious???
I would think 405 would be hard for those pencil legs. ::)
I did 400# competition style bench (no bounce, 2 second pause) at 200#, most I ever did. Franco did 525# touch and go.
and what does that prove? we're supposed to believe it just because he says it? ::)
Arnold would not lie about meaurements or lifts, unheard of in Pro BBing.
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at his "training seminar" in Columbus after the classic,, he did say his max was 405. But he never trained for max. remember he used to lift for over 3 hours...
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CHeck out some of the comments on youtube for this interview!
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no way...arnold benched way more than 500lbs. he was probably doin 650lbs in his prime.
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Im pretty sure he could bench more than 405, also squat more than 405 for 2 reps ::)
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for all of you nuthuggers who believe the Great Arnold walked on water here's the truth
Height-6'1"
Weight 235-240 pounds
Arms-right at 20 inches pumped
Chest-52 inches
Waist-34-35 inches
Legs-26 inches
Bench Press-405 pound single, 315 for a good set of 8-10
Squat-405 for a couple of reps
all accurate,except arnold was never 6'1".i meet him twice and he is my height (5'10").
other than that spot on.
bench
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for all of you nuthuggers who believe the Great Arnold walked on water here's the truth
Height-6'1"
Weight 235-240 pounds
Arms-right at 20 inches pumped
Chest-52 inches
Waist-34-35 inches
Legs-26 inches
Bench Press-405 pound single, 315 for a good set of 8-10
Squat-405 for a couple of reps
26" seams really small for legs, rest looks about right.
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for all of you nuthuggers who believe the Great Arnold walked on water here's the truth
Height-6'1"
Weight 235-240 pounds
Arms-right at 20 inches pumped
Chest-52 inches
Waist-34-35 inches
Legs-26 inches
Bench Press-405 pound single, 315 for a good set of 8-10
Squat-405 for a couple of reps
There you go again belittleing poeples accomplishments just so yours can feel a little greater. 26 in thighs at 6.2 would make his legs look like sticks; small legs yes, but atleast 28-29, 315 for 8 for Arnold is the biggest player hater comment I've ever heard in my life. 405 on the Bench is nothing nowadays get through your pathetic skull 405=nothing 600=impressive, thousands can do 400 I think there is a few females that can do this. If you get impressed very easily then its up to you to live with the curse but always calling people bullshit just makes you look bad
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26" seams really small for legs, rest looks about right.
Arnolds legs were SMALL...... cuts yes, size no.
all accurate,except arnold was never 6'1".i meet him twice and he is my height (5'10").
other than that spot on.
bench
bench, the only way you're 5'10 is if you're wearing 6 inch elevator shoes ::)
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Im surprised by the squats, i thought he would ve been doing a good 5 plates a side.
Surprised, when thighs were always proportionately smaller than the rest.. ???
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at his "training seminar" in Columbus after the classic,, he did say his max was 405. But he never trained for max. remember he used to lift for over 3 hours...
What year??
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Im pretty sure he could bench more than 405, also squat more than 405 for 2 reps ::)
Uh, no. Sorry to ruin the fantasy. Arnold had solid numbers.
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2004
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all accurate,except arnold was never 6'1".i meet him twice and he is my height (5'10").
Garbage. Stood beside him, he's 6'1".
26" seams really small for legs, rest looks about right.
The might've been a little bigger but mainly he deflected the size issue by good cuts, posing and great calves.
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pretty sure 2004. i went from 03-05, but pretty sure it was the middle year.
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Garbage. Stood beside him, he's 6'1".
Agreed... My dad is 6'0 even and he stood next to Arnold, and he was (my dad) what appeared to be exactly 1 inch shorter than Schwarzenegger..
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He's 6'1".
The might've been a little bigger but mainly he deflected the size issue by good cuts, posing and great calves.
Legs weren't judged the same as they are now... Everyone's legs were smaller back then.
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Yes, Squad's post looks about right, Ken Patera and Kazmaier's chests were only 58-59 inches at 80-100lbs heavier.
The great Steve Reeves was close to Arnold's weight many times, and his claimed chest size only in the 48-52 range depending on year.
Think about some of these magical numbers attributed to Arnold, if any other bodybuilder claimed them, we'd be calling bullshit all day long.
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Bullshit!
Arthur Jones measured Arnolds arms at 19 5/8 cold. You can add in another 1.5 inches pumped which would bring his arms to over 21.
Franco had a 50 inch chest-and Armold makes Franco look like a 5th graders. More like 60 inches for Arnold's chest.
I also think the bench press is way too low.
franco had a 50 inch chest are you fucking crazy? do you know what a 50 inch chest is ?
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I have a 54" chest & I would sure hope the hell Arnolds was bigger than mine
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I have a 54" chest & I would sure hope the hell Arnolds was bigger than mine
::) of course you do.
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::) of course you do.
well tell me....who the hell would want that?
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well tell me....who the hell would want that?
want what? a really quick way to shut me up and prove me wrong would be to post a picture of your supposed 54 inch chest.
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let me borrow your bra & I will
;D
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it makes me laugh how people get so upset when you say he had a 405 pound bench press as if that's somehow a terrible number, i'll gaurantee you that 98 percent of this board can't do that, me included.
please, 500 for reps is pretty much standard around here. Most of us are just too busy fucking 10/10 model chicks on our private yachts to take pictures. ;D
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let me borrow your bra & I will
;D
translation=you don't have a 54 inch chest or a 405 pound incline.
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for all of you nuthuggers who believe the Great Arnold walked on water here's the truth
Height-6'1"
Weight 235-240 pounds
Arms-right at 20 inches pumped
Chest-52 inches
Waist-34-35 inches
Legs-26 inches
Bench Press-405 pound single, 315 for a good set of 8-10
Squat-405 for a couple of reps
prove it
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prove it
prove he benched 540 or had 22 inch arms like is claimed.
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translation=you don't have a 54 inch chest or a 405 pound incline.
at least not in "internet' land
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Legs weren't judged the same as they are now... Everyone's legs were smaller back then.
You mean like Platz or Oliva.. ::) Arnold's were smaller relative to other BBs of the era, but it wasn't a huge factor because of what he did to minimize his weaker areas.
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Arnold could deadlift 700+ and there are pics of this. And you think his squat max was 400 for a couple?
His arms were definitely bigger than 19-20.
Squad, you're taking this too far my friend :)
315 for 8-10? bull. Seriously. At 21 with a few years training I can do 315 for 4 maybe 5 reps. and you're telling me Arnold Scwharzengger at 240 lbs on steroids with 20+ inch arms could only outlift me by maybe 4-5 reps?
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for all of you nuthuggers who believe the Great Arnold walked on water here's the truth
Height-6'1"
Weight 235-240 pounds
Arms-right at 20 inches pumped
Chest-52 inches
Waist-34-35 inches
Legs-26 inches
Bench Press-405 pound single, 315 for a good set of 8-10
Squat-405 for a couple of reps
Arnold was much stronger on the bench than that. His single on the bench was 520 lbs, and he regularly benched 4 plates a side for 10. When you take into consideration that his chest could hold it's own to today's bodybuilders and that his triceps were pretty big as well, a 520 lbs bench is perfectly reasonable.
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Arnold was much stronger on the bench than that. His single on the bench was 520 lbs, and he regularly benched 4 plates a side for 10. When you take into consideration that his chest could hold it's own to today's bodybuilders and that his triceps were pretty big as well, a 520 lbs bench is perfectly reasonable.
I agree and the contrast between his chest and his waist is ridiculouse; To say 52 on chest and 34 on waist is retarded. If his arms where less then 20 it would've have only been on contest day and anybody that has been in contest shape will tell you that during dieting you will at least lose an inch on your arms.
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I agree and the contrast between his chest and his waist is ridiculouse; To say 52 on chest and 34 on waist is retarded. If his arms where less then 20 it would've have only been on contest day and anybody that has been in contest shape will tell you that during dieting you will at least lose an inch on your arms.
He officially deadlifted around 675 or maybe more in a contest in Munich and I too think that Squadfather's wrong in this one - no way in hell were his arms under 20", even onstage - maybe in the 1980 Mr O. Around 1974, they could easily be around 21" and his chest was pretty big too. And I'd say he benched and squatted a lot more than the numbers that have been mentioned.
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I have a 54" chest & I would sure hope the hell Arnolds was bigger than mine
Thank you.
Mine is about 50 and I sure as hell hope Franco-with a 525# bench-has a bigger one.
As for Kaz, Arnold's chest is bigger-Arnold had the biggest chest in BBing.
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Arnold had the biggest chest on BBing.
Maybe, but his tits were nowhere near as perky as No one's :-X
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He officially deadlifted around 675 or maybe more in a contest in Munich and I too think that Squadfather's wrong in this one - no way in hell were his arms under 20", even onstage - maybe in the 1980 Mr O. Around 1974, they could easily be around 21" and his chest was pretty big too. And I'd say he benched and squatted a lot more than the numbers that have been mentioned.
To attack his chest and arms is plain stupid. His official deadlift is nearly 700, so to say he could squat only 400 is also plain stupid. There is no one alive on this planet that can deadlift 700 and can't get past 400 on the squat, impossible, however if this type of player hating allows people to believe that they are closer to arnold then by all means keep hating
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To attack his chest and arms is plain stupid. His official deadlift is nearly 700, so to say he could squat only 400 is also plain stupid. There is no one alive on this planet that can deadlift 700 and can't get past 400 on the squat, impossible, however if this type of player hating allows people to believe that they are closer to arnold then by all means keep hating
Also, in Pumping Iron, Ed Corney does 12 reps with 315 and I'm sure Arnold is way stronger than Ed. Which means his squat should be around 500 easy.
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want what? a really quick way to shut me up and prove me wrong would be to post a picture of your supposed 54 inch chest.
of course we all already seen yours.... 8)
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and what does that prove? we're supposed to believe it just because he says it? ::)
Of course not. We're supposed to believe you because you said it. ;)
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Of course not. We're supposed to believe you because you said it. ;)
LOL! :D
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retarded post...
nothing personal, but if you think what you claimed is "real" then you are delusional. hope this helps...
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/index4.jpg)
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26 inch thighs, Most delusional comment ever. Get real and get a life. Arnold was a freak in his day and way ahead of his time
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Also, in Pumping Iron, Ed Corney does 12 reps with 315 and I'm sure Arnold is way stronger than Ed. Which means his squat should be around 500 easy.
Bizarre asumption. If Arnold's squatting was so much better, why did they edit out the end of his set, leaving Corney's set as one of the most memorable of the movie.
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all accurate,except arnold was never 6'1".i meet him twice and he is my height (5'10").
other than that spot on.
bench
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for all of you nuthuggers who believe the Great Arnold walked on water here's the truth
Height-6'1"
Weight 235-240 pounds
Arms-right at 20 inches pumped
Chest-52 inches
Waist-34-35 inches
Legs-26 inches
Bench Press-405 pound single, 315 for a good set of 8-10
Squat-405 for a couple of reps
This here is one of the most retarded statements on this board to date.
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Bizarre asumption. If Arnold's squatting was so much better, why did they edit out the end of his set, leaving Corney's set as one of the most memorable of the movie.
So you are saying they didn't show Arnold doing the whole set because he's possibly weaker? Don't think so. Ed Corney himself has said Arnold was stronger than him in all lifts and that's why I mentioned it.
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So you are saying they didn't show Arnold doing the whole set because he's possibly weaker? Don't think so. Ed Corney himself has said Arnold was stronger than him in all lifts and that's why I mentioned it.
Ok so now you're explaining it. The thing is those numbers on Arnold's lifts have been published since the early 70s without any variance in the poundages, so the chances they're innaccurate are fairly low IMO. Arnold could easily be just a bit stronger than Corney and have the maxes mentioned.
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Just a point of information...
The 700ish competition deadlift attributed to Arnold probably stems from the fact that Arnold got a lot of press coverage for winning a stone-hoisting contest in Munich soon after his first Universe win.
I believe he lifted the 680 lb stone higher than anyone else... but it was a sumo-style contrived lift on a platform (probably best equated to a power rack pull from the knees)... still impressive, but not a genuine deadlift.
If Arnold could have managed any of these lifts you noobs are attributing to him the Weider mags would have reported and photographed every one of these retroactive claims. If he really ever had a 20 inch arm he would have been photographed with a tape on his arm... hell, he didn't even deny Arthur Jones' measurement of 19.5 (slightly pumped).
Hate to admit it... but Squadfather is dead-on with this one.
I've shaken hands with a 300lb off-season Markus Ruhl and even he didn't have a 20 inch arm or 60 inch chest.
The Luke
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Just a point of information...
The 700ish competition deadlift attributed to Arnold probably stems from the fact that Arnold got a lot of press coverage for winning a stone-hoisting contest in Munich soon after his first Universe win.
I believe he lifted the 680 lb stone higher than anyone else... but it was a sumo-style contrived lift on a platform (probably best equated to a power rack pull from the knees)... still impressive, but not a genuine deadlift.
If Arnold could have managed any of these lifts you noobs are attributing to him the Weider mags would have reported and photographed every one of these retroactive claims. If he really ever had a 20 inch arm he would have been photographed with a tape on his arm... hell, he didn't even deny Arthur Jones' measurement of 19.5 (slightly pumped).
Hate to admit it... but Squadfather is dead-on with this one.
I've shaken hands with a 300lb off-season Markus Ruhl and even he didn't have a 20 inch arm or 60 inch chest.
The Luke
Markus doesn't have a 20 inch arm? WE HAVE A NEW LOW FOR IQ HERE
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Hate to admit it... but Squadfather is dead-on with this one.
I've shaken hands with a 300lb off-season Markus Ruhl and even he didn't have a 20 inch arm or 60 inch chest.
The Luke
I have seen 300 plus pound guys walking around in gyms that where very big in the chest back and legs yet had semi good arms nothing to brag about.
Arnold had some of the biggest arms in the business and his chest to boot. Markus Ruhl is a big guy but his arms are not impressive, nor should he be compared to the great one. Hope this helps. ;)
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I've shaken hands with a 300lb off-season Markus Ruhl and even he didn't have a 20 inch arm or 60 inch chest.
The Luke
Bullshit.
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Markus doesn't have a 20 inch arm? WE HAVE A NEW LOW FOR IQ HERE
Haha exactly. Wisconsin BB has posted pics of him with a tape measure around his arm - they were 21" and the guy was 270. To say a 300 lb Markus Ruhl doesn't have 20" arms is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard ::)
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If he really ever had a 20 inch arm he would have been photographed with a tape on his arm... hell, he didn't even deny Arthur Jones' measurement of 19.5 (slightly pumped).
I think of close to 22" pumped at a non-contest 250 bodyweight was believable, so the number's not entirely contrived.
As far as being photographed with a tape measure, very few have done that, no one had an obligation to do so.
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Hate to admit it... but Squadfather is dead-on with this one.
I've shaken hands with a 300lb off-season Markus Ruhl and even he didn't have a 20 inch arm or 60 inch chest.
The Luke
I have seen 300 plus pound guys walking around in gyms that where very big in the chest back and legs yet had semi good arms nothing to brag about.
Arnold had some of the biggest arms in the business and his chest to boot. Markus Ruhl is a big guy but his arms are not impressive, nor should he be compared to the great one. Hope this helps. ;)
Are you high?
(http://www.boxinggame.com/tbgpros/2675912/118-1876Markus_RUHL_IMG.jpg)
(http://www.fitness.ee/lehed/pilt/tekstid/2984.jpg)
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::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
You saw Arnie back in the day, what do you believe his stats were?
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Are you high?
(http://www.boxinggame.com/tbgpros/2675912/118-1876Markus_RUHL_IMG.jpg)
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No. I said Markus was a big guy and that his arms are not impressive. To me they are not, big yes but this does not make an arm impressive. Markus to me looks like a big blob, he has no pleasing lines with all that blocky mass. This was my point.
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26 inch legs my ass
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it makes me laugh how people get so upset when you say he had a 405 pound bench press as if that's somehow a terrible number, i'll gaurantee you that 98 percent of this board can't do that, me included.
Good point
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Damn.
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You saw Arnie back in the day, what do you believe his stats were?
To tell you the truth I never noticed. He was great looking. Size wize Lou was fucking enormous to me as was Bertil Fox. I did not see in the 3 years or so I trained at Worlds Arnold that much. Not as much as someone like Dennis Tinnerino, Kal, Roy Callendar, Dickerson, or even Franco. I was just a kid minding my own business when I trained. I do remember Arnold being very thick from the side to me. He had unreal arms. My arms at 247 were around 19.5 maybe 20 and his blew mine away . And back then I maybe said 5 words to him. I actually took a shower more times with him than speak actual words beside hey or see ya. We had gang showers back then, so no gay shit. But I thought Arnold was a powerlifter at one time
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Yep the Squad is right. 19 inches. ::)
(http://pairwise.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/arnold-schwarzenegger-big.jpg)
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Arnold's arm were definitely bigger than 20 inches ! I wish I could get a peak on them like he had. He had phenomenal biceps for the day !
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I think alot of you guys underestimate arm sizes. My arms are 19ish and i can post a picture of them taped (i think i have already). I have guys in my gym with 20 inch arms. Its not THAT tough to get for a hardcore lifter who hits it hard day in and out for a decade. Rule and Arnold are absolutely over 20. Arnolds legs were rather small, so i believe 26. Hammies are half the leg. And 405 squat....dude i can hit that for 8 reps DEEP and i damn sure aint Arnold.....il guarantee he could hit 405 for reps.....and if he really focused on it, probably 5-600 for reps
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Arnold's arms were 20.5 " in contest condition and 22" in the off-season.
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Those numbers don't seem too out of whack. Arnold was genetics at their long positive tail. Period. Look at the smartest fucks in school. They don't study. The best speakers are born that way. Think of it this way. Everyone knows there are obese people who eat like birds, exercise like mad, and lose nothing. They are at one end of the curve. Arnold was at the other.
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franco had a 50 inch chest are you fucking crazy? do you know what a 50 inch chest is ?
Obviously a lot bigger than yours. Mine's 46.5" and I'd bet my life savings that Franco's was more than a mere 3.5" larger than mine.
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Obviously a lot bigger than yours. Mine's 46.5" and I'd bet my life savings that Franco's was more than a mere 3.5" larger than mine.
You never know... Franco was a short guy. 5'5"
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Yeah, but he was a big 190 pounds for 5'5". He claimed that his arms were around 19".
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how about those stragnations...
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how about those stragnations striations...
Fixed. 8)
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Fixed. 8)
no no... stragnations! (it refers to a classic post...)
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Don't forget measurements are a mix of off and on-season. Some of Arnold's measurements were taken by Guiness Book of records. His OFF SEASON EXPANDED Chest was 57 Inches (Normal lean would be 53/54" which looks accurate to me). Arthur Jones measured his arms as reported. He stated his thighs were 28" - Not far off I reckon at his heaviest weight.
Arnold was huge. It's today's guys who exaggerate more. I don't believe that a lot of today's guys out-weigh Arnold by 50 Pounds ???
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Arnold's arms were only ONE inch bigger than Squads ;)
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I see that overnight everyone jumped all over my post re Markus Ruhl...
I think what's missing here is a basic understanding of ratios.
A 22'' arm is not 10% bigger than a 20'' arm, it's 21% bigger.
It's a ratio of squares (relating to area remember). Do you guys really believe Arnold's arms were markedly bigger than Oliva's? Even a 300 lb Ronnie didn't have 22'' arms for fuck's sake.
I stand by the Markus Ruhl statement, he's only about 5'9'' and his arms were definitely less than 20''... his chest was definitely less than 60''. A genuine 60'' chest is 44% bigger than a 50'' chest and only ever seen on people closer to 400 lbs than 300 lbs. Markus is huge, but still only 300ish lbs... Arnold weighed 250 lbs tops.
The lack of an arm taping photograph is very telling... the only people who do this are the pros with the very biggest arms:
-Lee Priest 21.5''
-Eddie Robinson 20.75''ish
-Vince Taylor (at 240 lbs) 19.5''
...Tim Fogarty will attest to this.
Most pros, in contest shape would be in the 17''-19'' category. FLEX magazine is bullshit, NOT gospel.
The Luke
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I stand by the Markus Ruhl statement, he's only about 5'9'' and his arms were definitely less than 20''...
No way were Ruhl's arms ever below 20''.
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I see that overnight everyone jumped all over my post re Markus Ruhl...
I think what's missing here is a basic understanding of ratios.
A 22'' arm is not 10% bigger than a 20'' arm, it's 21% bigger.
It's a ratio of squares (relating to area remember). Do you guys really believe Arnold's arms were markedly bigger than Oliva's? Even a 300 lb Ronnie didn't have 22'' arms for fuck's sake.
I stand by the Markus Ruhl statement, he's only about 5'9'' and his arms were definitely less than 20''... his chest was definitely less than 60''. A genuine 60'' chest is 44% bigger than a 50'' chest and only ever seen on people closer to 400 lbs than 300 lbs. Markus is huge, but still only 300ish lbs... Arnold weighed 250 lbs tops.
The lack of an arm taping photograph is very telling... the only people who do this are the pros with the very biggest arms:
-Lee Priest 21.5''
-Eddie Robinson 20.75''ish
-Vince Taylor (at 240 lbs) 19.5''
...Tim Fogarty will attest to this.
Most pros, in contest shape would be in the 17''-19'' category. FLEX magazine is bullshit, NOT gospel.
The Luke
Great post mate
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Bullshit!
Arthur Jones measured Arnolds arms at 19 5/8 cold. You can add in another 1.5 inches pumped which would bring his arms to over 21.
Franco had a 50 inch chest-and Armold makes Franco look like a 5th graders. More like 60 inches for Arnold's chest.
I also think the bench press is way too low.
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friend,,a pump will add you a max of half an inch ,,usually one quarter of an inch to your arm,,,1.5 inches from pump?? i been siting here teaching you lasty 2 years and you still come up with this bullshit? 1.4 inch pump from training?
you all confuse seo and spot injects with nolotil to regular pump,,,bodybuilding is ruined by generation nothingness ,,this is not good if you really believe any one get even close to 1.5 inch from a pump on arms,,
in addition guys 6'1 on aas with good respond will mesure 17.5 inch off the aas and 19.5 inch on aas,,the freaky ones like arnold will have another inch due to phennominal respond to aas
lastr but not list,,bodybuilder such as heath and many other in generation nothigness get to 22 inches by the use and abuse of igf hgh and insulin
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friend,,a pump will add you a max of half an inch ,,usually one quarter of an inch to your arm,,,1.5 inches from pump?? i been siting here teaching you lasty 2 years and you still come up with this bullshit? 1.4 inch pump from training?
you all confuse seo and spot injects with nolotil to regular pump,,,bodybuilding is ruined by generation nothingness ,,this is not good if you really believe any one get even close to 1.5 inch from a pump on arms,,
in addition guys 6'1 on aas with good respond will mesure 17.5 inch off the aas and 19.5 inch on aas,,the freaky ones like arnold will have another inch due to phennominal respond to aas
lastr but not list,,bodybuilder such as heath and many other in generation nothigness get to 22 inches by the use and abuse of igf hgh and insulin
Have you got 14 inch arms?? a 17 inch cold arm will easily pump up to 18.5
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Have you got 14 inch arms?? a 17 inch cold arm will easily pump up to 18.5
youre a kid,,my arms are the size of your head to begin with with no pump and 17 inch arms will hold maybe one quarter of an inch after arm training,,
again yorue a kid
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youre a kid,,my arms are the size of your head to begin with with no pump and 17 inch arms will hold maybe one quarter of an inch after arm training,,
again yorue a kid
Wish I was. I'm 38 and have been in this game for over 20 years. I'll ask a real pro and get back to you.
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I see that overnight everyone jumped all over my post re Markus Ruhl...
I think what's missing here is a basic understanding of ratios.
A 22'' arm is not 10% bigger than a 20'' arm, it's 21% bigger.
It's a ratio of squares (relating to area remember). Do you guys really believe Arnold's arms were markedly bigger than Oliva's? Even a 300 lb Ronnie didn't have 22'' arms for fuck's sake.
I stand by the Markus Ruhl statement, he's only about 5'9'' and his arms were definitely less than 20''... his chest was definitely less than 60''. A genuine 60'' chest is 44% bigger than a 50'' chest and only ever seen on people closer to 400 lbs than 300 lbs. Markus is huge, but still only 300ish lbs... Arnold weighed 250 lbs tops.
The lack of an arm taping photograph is very telling... the only people who do this are the pros with the very biggest arms:
-Lee Priest 21.5''
-Eddie Robinson 20.75''ish
-Vince Taylor (at 240 lbs) 19.5''
...Tim Fogarty will attest to this.
Most pros, in contest shape would be in the 17''-19'' category. FLEX magazine is bullshit, NOT gospel.
The Luke
One thing Mate - Your muscle volume thing is way out according to my mate's calculations: d (diameter) = circumference divided by Pi (3.1415927), r (radius) = d divided by 2, & volume of a cylinder (muscle) = Pi x (r x r) x length, so the diff between say 20 & 21 ins is about 10%
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Wish I was. I'm 38 and have been in this game for over 20 years. I'll ask a real pro and get back to you.
hahahahhaa, "this game", oh brother.
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Until I see otherwise, I'm inclined to believe Arnold benched in the neighborhood of 385 lbs. to 405 lbs. range - no more.
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Until I see otherwise, I'm inclined to believe Arnold benched in the neighborhood of 385 lbs. to 405 lbs. range - no more.
exactly.
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Hmmm...I don't know if GH15 means the pump goes away after awhile...and you keep some of the size...or that no way do you get any more than 1/4" during pump itself.
I have measured pump gains of 3/4" to one inch right after bicep/tricep workouts...but maybe I have been wrong......
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Ah, the folly of measurements and those discussing such.
I measured Arnold's height in Mit's Gym in Honolulu in Feb 1969. He was 6' 1 1/2" in the evening. That means he could have been 6' 2" in the morning.
I measured Arnold's upper arm in October 1968 in Golds Gym, Venice, at 21 1/2" after he worked out. He was 62" around the shoulders. He weighed about 250 pounds that day.
I read that Arnold did something around 520 pounds in the bench press and this is believable. With that huge chest he didn't have to bring the weight down that far! Some of you guys have no clue about lifting weights. Just because you can't lift 400 doesn't mean that others haven't.
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Very true Vince. Just his development alone would speak of his strength.
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I read that Arnold did something around 520 pounds in the bench press and this is believable.
That's great! You've read it; I've read it; we've all read. But have we SEEN it? No!
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Ah, the folly of measurements and those discussing such.
I measured Arnold's height in Mit's Gym in Honolulu in Feb 1969. He was 6' 1 1/2" in the evening. That means he could have been 6' 2" in the morning.
I measured Arnold's upper arm in October 1968 in Golds Gym, Venice, at 21 1/2" after he worked out. He was 62" around the shoulders. He weighed about 250 pounds that day.
I read that Arnold did something around 520 pounds in the bench press and this is believable. With that huge chest he didn't have to bring the weight down that far! Some of you guys have no clue about lifting weights. Just because you can't lift 400 doesn't mean that others haven't.
bullshit until you post proof.
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from looking at him.
HAHAHA
You are a moron and a fat disgrace...
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That's great! You've read it; I've read it; we've all read. But have we SEEN it? No!
Pollux: you are the best historian here when it comes to A. What do you think of his actual poundages?
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HAHAHA
You are a moron and a fat disgrace...
translation=you have no proof that Arnold benched 540 or had 22 inch arms. :D
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One thing Mate - Your muscle volume thing is way out according to my mate's calculations: d (diameter) = circumference divided by Pi (3.1415927), r (radius) = d divided by 2, & volume of a cylinder (muscle) = Pi x (r x r) x length, so the diff between say 20 & 21 ins is about 10%
...dude, you don't compare the circumference of the arm, you measure the volume.
All other things being equal (arm length etc) everything cancels out leaving you with a basic comparison of areas. The ratio of two AREAS is the ratio of the SQUARES of the circumference measurements.
So to compare a 21'' and 20'' upper arm you don't calculate 21/20... you calculate 212/202
The Luke
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...dude, you don't compare the circumference of the arm, you measure the volume.
All other things being equal (arm length etc) everything cancels out leaving you with a basic comparison of areas. The ratio of two AREAS is the ratio of the SQUARES of the circumference measurements.
So to compare a 21'' and 20'' upper arm you don't calculate 21/20... you calculate 212/202
The Luke
Read again, it was Volume
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Bizarre asumption. If Arnold's squatting was so much better, why did they edit out the end of his set, leaving Corney's set as one of the most memorable of the movie.
In his set, I believe he got up to 5 or 6 with 315 on the bar and he stuggled on the last rep. His form wasn't the greatest either, as he didn't even go down to parallel, although granted, his feet were fairly close together, and they have prevented him from going lower saftely.
Still, squatting seems to be one of things you're either built to do or not. You have guys like shawn ray who in his 'final countdown' video only doing 315 tops for reps, and his legs are bigger than Corney's or Arnolds, and you have guys like Platz, who squat 500lb, all the way down for 20 reps.
And it's not a big deal for a college running back to squat 400 - 600lbs., and those guys may be 5'8 - 5'11, 180 - 220lb.
I'd be interested in what Arnolds leg press numbers were like, and I mean the 45 degree press, not the verticle presses that we've seen him doing in pictures.
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Pollux: you are the best historian here when it comes to A. What do you think of his actual poundages?
Here's the thing...the '67 issue of Health and Strength has his best bench noted as being 408 lbs. The '67 issue of Ironman has his best bench noted as being 410 lbs. His best bench at the '67 German Powerlifting Championships was 374 lbs. and 440 lbs. at the same event in '68.
From a personal point of view, these numbers seem to be more accurate to me than Arnold's self-proclaimed 500 lbs.+ bench in his Encyclopedia book, simply because in all the years I have seen pictures of Arnold, a 500 lbs.+ bench press in something I have never, ever seen.
I'm not knocking Arnold in no way! But until I see otherwise, I'll stand by my view.
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...dude, you don't compare the circumference of the arm, you measure the volume.
All other things being equal (arm length etc) everything cancels out leaving you with a basic comparison of areas. The ratio of two AREAS is the ratio of the SQUARES of the circumference measurements.
So to compare a 21'' and 20'' upper arm you don't calculate 21/20... you calculate 212/202
The Luke
To make it easier for you:-
all things being equal, you can just compare the areas - but the area of a 20 in circle is 31.82 square ins & the area of a 21 in circle is 35.1 square ins (area of circle = Pi x R2) - simple maths will show that the latter is 10% larger than the former. 20 squared is 400, & 21 squared is 441, which again shows that one is 10% bigger than the other, not 40%.
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Read again, it was Volume
Volume of a sphere = 4/3 pi r3
Volume of a cylinder = pi r2 L ...where L is the length of the upper arm
For our purposes we should use the cylinder formula and assume a similar shape for the tapering of the upper arm at the elbow... so for our two hypothetical arms with circumferences c1 and c2
c1 = 2 pi r1 ...therefore r1 = (c1)/2pi
So the volume of the first upper arm can be expressed as: pi (c1/2pi)2 L
So the ratio of the volumes of our two hypothetical upper arms:
Volume of upper arm 1 = pi (c1/2pi)2 L
Volume of upper arm 2 pi (c2/2pi)2 L
so using the GetBig Strikethrough Canceling principle:
Volume of upper arm 1 = pi (c1/2pi)2 L
Volume of upper arm 2 pi (c2/2pi)2 L
= c12/c22
=ratio of the SQUARES of the circumference measurements
The Luke
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you've got to be kidding
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I see that overnight everyone jumped all over my post re Markus Ruhl...
I think what's missing here is a basic understanding of ratios.
A 22'' arm is not 10% bigger than a 20'' arm, it's 21% bigger.
...double checked your figures Trev, you're right.
But as you can clearly see from my original post I was comparing a 22'' and 20'' arm... not 21 and 20
Similarly my reference to a 44% increase was between a 50'' chest and a 60'' chest, you have asserted that my calculations are wrong when in fact you've been plugging different values into my formulas.
FAIL! (just kidding)
The Luke
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...double checked your figures Trev, you're right.
But as you can clearly see from my original post I was comparing a 22'' and 20'' arm... not 21 and 20
Similarly my reference to a 44% increase was between a 50'' chest and a 60'' chest, you have asserted that my calculations are wrong when in fact you've been plugging different values into my formulas.
FAIL! (just kidding)
The Luke
Ha ha - Ok mate ....
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and 440 lbs. at the same event in '68.
That's what I was thinking. about 450 for a guy his size.
405 seems low and 500+ is too high.
PS no one here really knows the fucking truth anyway, we are all pissing in the wind about something somebody may or may not have done 30 years ago.
PPS Arnold's arms are bigger than 19 inches..I don't give a fuck what anyone says. My arms are 19 inches and HIS are bigger than MINE
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for all of you nuthuggers who believe the Great Arnold walked on water here's the truth
Height-6'1"
Weight 235-240 pounds
Arms-right at 20 inches pumped
Chest-52 inches
Waist-34-35 inches
Legs-26 inches
Bench Press-405 pound single, 315 for a good set of 8-10
Squat-405 for a couple of reps
why are you so fcuking obsess over what Arnold could lift or not. now that you found out his measurements, go ahead, have a beer and get a bang out of life, fatboy
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for all of you nuthuggers who believe the Great Arnold walked on water here's the truth
Height-6'1"
Weight 235-240 pounds
Arms-right at 20 inches pumped
Chest-52 inches
Waist-34-35 inches
Legs-26 inches
Bench Press-405 pound single, 315 for a good set of 8-10
Squat-405 for a couple of reps
Schwarzenegger.com states that Arnold's top measurements (per his book Arnold: Education of a Bodybuilder were:
Arnold's Top Form Measurements
Arms: 22 inches
Chest: 57 inches
Waist: 34 inches
Thighs: 28.5 inches
Calves: 20 inches
Weight: 235 pounds
Height: 6 feet 2 inches
See http://www.schwarzenegger.com/en/help/index.asp (http://www.schwarzenegger.com/en/help/index.asp)
Where'd you get your figures?
As for his chest, I'd think that he'd have a much bigger chest than Steve Reeve's 52", since Arnold had a much bigger back and thicker pecs than Reeves. It'd be easy for Arnold to reach 5" bigger than Reeves.
(http://www.ifbb.com/halloffame/1999/ArnoldSchwarzenegger2.jpg)(http://www.thereplicators.com/images/misc/sreeves3.jpg)
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I just read on here somewhere that Franco's chest was 50" If that is true then any moron with half a brain would know Arnold's chest was larger than Francos by more than just 2". And if you don't think Franco had a 50" chest measurement then you are even more moronic. I personally have seen Franco up close and if you saw in person (not reading a book or see on youtube which most of you do) then you could easily see by his lat size alone how he got a measurement like that. Arnold benching over 500 I would believe would be a hard thing to do except maybe when he was powerlifting. At his BB size and weight which was around 235 I find that hard to believe but possible. And people who think that unless there is a pic or video of someone doing something that can be possible is bullshit is just dumb. I have benched 585 and I have no pics or video. But, I know along with many others who have seen me bench can attest to what I say. Some of you come on here and talk about chicks you have fucked or whatever. Do you have pics or video to prove it. Not everyone has pics or videos of every single things they have done. As for Arnolds measurements, the guys on here who have been with him or trained with him are way more credible than guys who come on here and talk shit because they saw it in a magazine or saw Arnold when he walked by. How in the fuck can someone talk about someone else without even ever meeting with them or know them. Just that cracks me up. I don't even like Arnold that much other than how he looked but jeez get your shit straight.
I every bit just under 6'1". I am in sandals in this pic I think but not sure. And I see Arnold clearly a little taller than me. The guy on here who said he is 5'10" and Arnold was shorter than he was or the same height is full of shit.
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Schwarzenegger.com states that Arnold's top measurements (per his book Arnold: Education of a Bodybuilder were:
Arnold's Top Form Measurements
Arms: 22 inches
Chest: 57 inches
Waist: 34 inches
Thighs: 28.5 inches
Calves: 20 inches
Weight: 235 pounds
Height: 6 feet 2 inches
See http://www.schwarzenegger.com/en/help/index.asp (http://www.schwarzenegger.com/en/help/index.asp)
Where'd you get your figures?
As for his chest, I'd think that he'd have a much bigger chest than Steve Reeve's 52", since Arnold had a much bigger back and thicker pecs than Reeves. It'd be easy for Arnold to reach 5" bigger than Reeves.
(http://www.ifbb.com/halloffame/1999/ArnoldSchwarzenegger2.jpg)(http://www.thereplicators.com/images/misc/sreeves3.jpg)
all bullshit.
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In his set, I believe he got up to 5 or 6 with 315 on the bar and he stuggled on the last rep. His form wasn't the greatest either, as he didn't even go down to parallel, although granted, his feet were fairly close together, and they have prevented him from going lower saftely.
Still, squatting seems to be one of things you're either built to do or not. You have guys like shawn ray who in his 'final countdown' video only doing 315 tops for reps, and his legs are bigger than Corney's or Arnolds, and you have guys like Platz, who squat 500lb, all the way down for 20 reps.
And it's not a big deal for a college running back to squat 400 - 600lbs., and those guys may be 5'8 - 5'11, 180 - 220lb.
I'd be interested in what Arnolds leg press numbers were like, and I mean the 45 degree press, not the verticle presses that we've seen him doing in pictures.
Sean Rey could knock out 405 for reps all day long on squats, I have seen it in person, so to say he is a 315 guy is flat out bullshit.
Arnold, in getting ready for the 1980 O, was hitting 400# vertical leg presses for high reps and 135 stiff legged deadlifts for hams (for high reps) at World Gym Santa Monica-they had no 45 degree angled leg press then.
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The lack of an arm taping photograph is very telling... the only people who do this are the pros with the very biggest arms:
-Lee Priest 21.5''
-Eddie Robinson 20.75''ish
-Vince Taylor (at 240 lbs) 19.5''
...Tim Fogarty will attest to this.
Most pros, in contest shape would be in the 17''-19'' category. FLEX magazine is bullshit, NOT gospel.
The Luke
There is NO pro that has a 17 inch arm in contest shape-sorry buddy.
The SMALLEST pro arm I have ever seen is Chris Dickerson's 1981 Mr. O when he had 17.5 inch arms. But Chris was competeing at only 185# then.
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youre a kid,,my arms are the size of your head to begin with with no pump and 17 inch arms will hold maybe one quarter of an inch after arm training,,
again yorue a kid
GH15 you are a fucking MORON.
Whn I first started training my arms would pump up 1.5 inches easily-and they still pump up 1.25 to 1.5 inches today.
The notion that a pump can only give you a 1/4 inch on your arms is so fucking far off base that it proves you're the fraud of frauds.
Do us all a favor and put a cork in your snake oil bullshit.
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"Squadfather" seems to find solace in believing that pros are only 3 or 4 times stronger than he is, instead of the 5 or 6 times which is closer to reality. Pathetic. The bottom line is that Arnold truly did have 22" arms in the off-season and could bench 520 lbs for a single.
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"Squadfather" seems to find solace in believing that pros are only 3 or 4 times stronger than he is, instead of the 5 or 6 times which is closer to reality. Pathetic. The bottom line is that Arnold truly did have 22" arms in the off-season and could bench 520 lbs for a single.
got any proof? i'm calling bullshit until i....................see proof. :D
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The best part about this WHOLE thread is watching everyone get upset over what u wrote ::)
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The best part about this WHOLE thread is watching everyone get upset over what u wrote ::)
;D 5 pages of hurt feelings and meltdowns.
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got any proof? i'm calling bullshit until i....................see proof. :D
The irony of you asking for ' proof ' you have none to offer except your ' expert ' opinion and then dismiss eyewitness accounts as ' bullshit ' I love how you just pulled these figures out of your head thats classic and according to you , your arms are only 1-1.5 inches smaller than Arnold so they must appear just as big seeing you're shorter lol hey at least you're always good for a laugh.
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;D 5 pages of hurt feelings and meltdowns.
Hook Line and Muthafuggin Sinker ;D I love it when a plan comes together!
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The best part about this WHOLE thread is watching everyone get upset over what u wrote ::)
;D 5 pages of hurt feelings and meltdowns.
It's actually quite humorous considering that everyone is melting down over Arnold and what he looks like and he doesn't give a crap about any of them.
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Schwarzenegger.com states that Arnold's top measurements (per his book Arnold: Education of a Bodybuilder were:
Arnold's Top Form Measurements
Arms: 22 inches
Chest: 57 inches
Waist: 34 inches
Thighs: 28.5 inches
Calves: 20 inches
Weight: 235 pounds
Height: 6 feet 2 inches
See http://www.schwarzenegger.com/en/help/index.asp (http://www.schwarzenegger.com/en/help/index.asp)
This is your unbiased source? Only Flex/Iron Age/Schwarzenegger nuthuggers accept this without question.
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Wish I was. I'm 38 and have been in this game for over 20 years. I'll ask a real pro and get back to you.
what game? the game of buying drugs and applying 750mg test and some dianabol or eq to your gem rat body?
friend i used to eat guys like you for lunch before i turned 19,,now i suggest you go ask a professional or simply mesure it yourself in the gym and you too will see that whatever gh15 farts into this board is always in 100% of cases true
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GH15 you are a fucking MORON.
Whn I first started training my arms would pump up 1.5 inches easily-and they still pump up 1.25 to 1.5 inches today.
The notion that a pump can only give you a 1/4 inch on your arms is so fucking far off base that it proves you're the fraud of frauds.
Do us all a favor and put a cork in your snake oil bullshit.
gh15 said and repetetevily say that the pump you will get will = between 1/4 and 1/2 inch unless you use SEO SUCH AS NOLOTIL AND ESCCILENE AND SYNTOL WHICH MANY USE AND LIE ABOUT,,
NO ONE PUMP HIS ARMS WITH AAS FROM 18 INCH TO 19.5 INCH ,,NO ONE! INFACT MOST BODYBUILDERS WITH GREAT ARMS WHICH ARE DIME A DOZEN WILL HAVE VERY CLOSE MESURMENTS WHEN THEIR ARM IS MESURED COLD OR PUMPED BECAUSE THE MUSCLE IS REAL REAL REAL ,,
a pump of 1 inch or over = oil into the muscle beofre training either with consistant or with out consistant if used nolotil beforer shows,,
you fellas of generaton nothingness are such big liars and such unimpressive bodybuilders that you use everything then you use SEO and even with all that you cant win a local show,,and THIS IS THR TRUTH FRIEND!
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gh15 said and repetetevily say that the pump you will get will = between 1/4 and 1/2 inch unless you use SEO SUCH AS NOLOTIL AND ESCCILENE AND SYNTOL WHICH MANY USE AND LIE ABOUT,,
NO ONE PUMP HIS ARMS WITH AAS FROM 18 INCH TO 19.5 INCH ,,NO ONE! INFACT MOST BODYBUILDERS WITH GREAT ARMS WHICH ARE DIME A DOZEN WILL HAVE VERY CLOSE MESURMENTS WHEN THEIR ARM IS MESURED COLD OR PUMPED BECAUSE THE MUSCLE IS REAL REAL REAL ,,
a pump of 1 inch or over = oil into the muscle beofre training either with consistant or with out consistant if used nolotil beforer shows,,
you fellas of generaton nothingness are such big liars and such unimpressive bodybuilders that you use everything then you use SEO and even with all that you cant win a local show,,and THIS IS THR TRUTH FRIEND!
You're a fucking idiot.
First you said you can only get a 1/4 inch pump, now it is half an inch-more of your stupid fucking bullshit.
My arms pump anywhere from 1.25 to 1.50 inches cold to fully pumped.
Hey I tell you whay Mr. gh15 Nobody, please come on out to So Cal and lets train for an afternoon, we can do arms and I will show you how to bust past that 17 inch barrier you are stuck at.
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It's common knowledge that Arnold lied about his height. Now, if you are going to lie about how tall you are then it stands to reason that you would also lie about your other body measurements.
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It's common knowledge that Arnold lied about his height. Now, if you are going to lie about how tall you are then it stands to reason that you would also lie about your other body measurements.
Just because you are unable to have 22" arms, it does not follow that someone with superior genetics - higher muscle fiber density, thicker bones, superior ability to syntesize actin and myosin, etc - who also uses anabolic drugs wouldn't either.
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You're a fucking idiot.
First you said you can only get a 1/4 inch pump, now it is half an inch-more of your stupid fucking bullshit.
My arms pump anywhere from 1.25 to 1.50 inches cold to fully pumped.
Hey I tell you whay Mr. gh15 Nobody, please come on out to So Cal and lets train for an afternoon, we can do arms and I will show you how to bust past that 17 inch barrier you are stuck at.
since your english is as good as mine obviously ....you fail to read that i said reptetvly thgouh posts on here that it is 1/4 inch and 1/2 inch ..somewehere in between after you give the arms a oil free pump,,
now why would i come to train with you when i had your arm size at most likely hell of a lot better condition before 19? what you can teach me or show me that i havent thought or paied much money for? can you make me wizer? i dont think so since you use lots of curse words and most likley past records in the local police departmens,,
to me you sound like a local bodybuilder,,pretty frastrated,,,a one that now have no more sources on us grounds and beg to my friends in europe to ship him some profucts,,why exactly would i come to train with you ?
give me one good reason,,you will show me that at your age the arm muscle is more saggy and thats why you can gain little more than half an inch on the arms past training? i have seen the freakiest of the freakiest ,,world level champions,,,i have seen some 6'4 monsters you wouldnt imagine in your life time that were down into single digit bodyfat,,they all were 1/4 to 1/2 inch "bigger" with oil free pump..im one of the best and still me get about 1/2 inch max pump on my well over solid 20s friend
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If your arms were 40 inches, you could not get 1 and a half of a pump. I've never seen anything past a half inch on a pump, but the thread was about bulshit claims that Arnold had 26 inch thighs and could only bench 315 for 8, what I did in high school, seems to me that squad thinks anything on the bench over for is equivelent to jumping over a building.
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since your english is as good as mine obviously ....you fail to read that i said reptetvly thgouh posts on here that it is 1/4 inch and 1/2 inch ..somewehere in between after you give the arms a oil free pump,,
now why would i come to train with you when i had your arm size at most likely hell of a lot better condition before 19? what you can teach me or show me that i havent thought or paied much money for? can you make me wizer? i dont think so since you use lots of curse words and most likley past records in the local police departmens,,
to me you sound like a local bodybuilder,,pretty frastrated,,,a one that now have no more sources on us grounds and beg to my friends in europe to ship him some profucts,,why exactly would i come to train with you ?
give me one good reason,,you will show me that at your age the arm muscle is more saggy and thats why you can gain little more than half an inch on the arms past training? i have seen the freakiest of the freakiest ,,world level champions,,,i have seen some 6'4 monsters you wouldnt imagine in your life time that were down into single digit bodyfat,,they all were 1/4 to 1/2 inch "bigger" with oil free pump..im one of the best and still me get about 1/2 inch max pump on my well over solid 20s friend
I have trained with guys that make you look like a 5th grader-heck even I make you look like a 5th grader.
If you can only pump up your arms 1/2 inch max then you have 15-16 inch arms.
You Mr. gh15 Nobody could not even win a local show here in CA. You would come out on stage, get spanked in your weight class and then go back to posting your BS on Getbig.
If your arms were 40 inches, you could not get 1 and a half of a pump. I've never seen anything past a half inch on a pump, but the thread was about bulshit claims that Arnold had 26 inch thighs and could only bench 315 for 8, what I did in high school, seems to me that squad thinks anything on the bench over for is equivelent to jumping over a building.
Hi gh15, anymore bullshit to post today>>?
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gh15 said and repetetevily say that the pump you will get will = between 1/4 and 1/2 inch unless you use SEO SUCH AS NOLOTIL AND ESCCILENE AND SYNTOL WHICH MANY USE AND LIE ABOUT,,
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GH15 is completely correct. i was always amazed at how much i felt pumped yet barely nudged the tape. i figured that i needed 19 inch arms to get 20 inch pumped. Didnt happen. At 19.5 inches (on one arm) 20inches pumped was measured...my other arm at just over 19 inches didnt make it.
also those measurements SF posted must be total crap. At 6 foot tall 26 inch legs are like pencils. not even rugby players have these. Arnold may not have had the proportions today's judging demands but even his 28 inch leg claim seems small on that frame.
and 52 inch chest...fuck me if you think thats true then you gotta get off the pipe. if his arms arent 21 inch cold then id be very surprised..
in fact all those measurements wreak of a jealous biatch who has stick insect physique and has spent loads of $ on gear and still going nowhere.
from arnies earlu pictures he's got enough chest/back muscle to easily be 52 inches and easily push 400lb bench..THEN he packed on the size. Get one of your 6ft tall buddies and have him stand in front of you and take some pics and then measure him.
then compare to arnies early pics. im sure youll find that at 6 foot, such proportions = big measurements and impressive strength.
duche.
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You're a fucking idiot.
First you said you can only get a 1/4 inch pump, now it is half an inch-more of your stupid fucking bullshit.
My arms pump anywhere from 1.25 to 1.50 inches cold to fully pumped.
Hey I tell you whay Mr. gh15 Nobody, please come on out to So Cal and lets train for an afternoon, we can do arms and I will show you how to bust past that 17 inch barrier you are stuck at.
amd you wonder why we closed your connections in california....youre a kid ,,i suggest you worry about not getting poped insted of worrying about fighting with gh15,,last time i chekced california local shows it was horrid and that is with all the drugs possible provided by the chinease,,you friend need to get a reality check and if you really cant tell im not only a professional but top professional that been there and done that ....then maybe it was all worth it ,,you got to understand that im not one of your foolosih ancilary guys over there that is walkign around with average arms no matter what i inject in them and can only claim on internet a 1.5 inch pump from arm training,,
i tell you what friend and ill teach you a lesson via this post,,
post here a tape recording on youtube or something that shows your pump of 1.5 inch hell post a pump of an inch mesure it and make it on film not picture!,,,you need to show me your arms first on film so i can condirm and approved you have no seo inside them ,,,then do the filming,,IF YOU SHOW ME 1.5 INCH OF PUMP IN ARMS ,,YOU WILL GET TO AN ADDRESS OF YOUR CHOICE IN EUROPE NOT USA,, 10 KITS SEROSTIM SINCE YORUE OLD,,,NOW IF YOU CAN GET A SCRIPT ONLY FROM A DOC YOU WILL GET IT DELIVERED TO YOUR HOUSE IN AMERICA,,YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE PRESCRIPTION FOR THAT THOUGH,,TO EUROPE IT WILL BE SENT WITH NO PRESCRIPTION..
now go work on your movie,,i cut my lef and my arm if you can even get a 3/4 inch pump..make sure you do everything on video tape recording and that means no help from geniouses such as 240 and other photo computer masters,,put a video ,,decent quality and show it clear
this was a waste of a post but ....for the fun of it
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amd you wonder why we closed your connections in california....youre a kid ,,i suggest you worry about not getting poped insted of worrying about fighting with gh15,,last time i chekced california local shows it was horrid and that is with all the drugs possible provided by the chinease,,you friend need to get a reality check and if you really cant tell im not only a professional but top professional that been there and done that ....then maybe it was all worth it ,,you got to understand that im not one of your foolosih ancilary guys over there that is walkign around with average arms no matter what i inject in them and can only claim on internet a 1.5 inch pump from arm training,,
i tell you what friend and ill teach you a lesson via this post,,
post here a tape recording on youtube or something that shows your pump of 1.5 inch hell post a pump of an inch mesure it and make it on film not picture!,,,you need to show me your arms first on film so i can condirm and approved you have no seo inside them ,,,then do the filming,,IF YOU SHOW ME 1.5 INCH OF PUMP IN ARMS ,,YOU WILL GET TO AN ADDRESS OF YOUR CHOICE IN EUROPE NOT USA,, 10 KITS SEROSTIM SINCE YORUE OLD,,,NOW IF YOU CAN GET A SCRIPT ONLY FROM A DOC YOU WILL GET IT DELIVERED TO YOUR HOUSE IN AMERICA,,YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE PRESCRIPTION FOR THAT THOUGH,,TO EUROPE IT WILL BE SENT WITH NO PRESCRIPTION..
now go work on your movie,,i cut my lef and my arm if you can even get a 3/4 inch pump..make sure you do everything on video tape recording and that means no help from geniouses such as 240 and other photo computer masters,,put a video ,,decent quality and show it clear
this was a waste of a post but ....for the fun of it
Yeah right, Im on it...... just for you....... Hey I tell you what Mr Broomstick, next time youre in So Cal let me know, I will take your skinny ass pencil arms thru a real BBing workout, and show you what a good arm pump is..... How is that, you game pencil arms??????
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Yeah right, Im on it...... just for you....... Hey I tell you what Mr Broomstick, next time youre in So Cal let me know, I will take your skinny ass pencil arms thru a real BBing workout, and show you what a good arm pump is..... How is that, you game pencil arms??????
now you sound like a local wanna be drug dealer,,you know the internet wanna bees that saturate the boards before we took them all down in one hit? i think you know them
have respect imbacile and if you do prove me wrong which is immposible i will make sure the seros are sent directly to specified addy of your choice,,
for now youre dismissed
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for now youre dismissed
You should copyright that.
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theres a guy who can pump 2inchs blown up....its weird.
You're a fucking idiot.
First you said you can only get a 1/4 inch pump, now it is half an inch-more of your stupid fucking bullshit.
My arms pump anywhere from 1.25 to 1.50 inches cold to fully pumped.
Hey I tell you whay Mr. gh15 Nobody, please come on out to So Cal and lets train for an afternoon, we can do arms and I will show you how to bust past that 17 inch barrier you are stuck at.
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since your english is as good as mine obviously ....you fail to read that i said reptetvly thgouh posts on here that it is 1/4 inch and 1/2 inch ..somewehere in between after you give the arms a oil free pump,,
now why would i come to train with you when i had your arm size at most likely hell of a lot better condition before 19? what you can teach me or show me that i havent thought or paied much money for? can you make me wizer? i dont think so since you use lots of curse words and most likley past records in the local police departmens,,
to me you sound like a local bodybuilder,,pretty frastrated,,,a one that now have no more sources on us grounds and beg to my friends in europe to ship him some profucts,,why exactly would i come to train with you ?
give me one good reason,,you will show me that at your age the arm muscle is more saggy and thats why you can gain little more than half an inch on the arms past training? i have seen the freakiest of the freakiest ,,world level champions,,,i have seen some 6'4 monsters you wouldnt imagine in your life time that were down into single digit bodyfat,,they all were 1/4 to 1/2 inch "bigger" with oil free pump..im one of the best and still me get about 1/2 inch max pump on my well over solid 20s friend
For me it was oubout one inch, if it's more than that i think that will be something else inside, if you see what I mean.
Serge Nubret
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1...most of the arnold pics floating around are shopped eg. the one where he's doing the right bi pose in the sun.
2...Squadfather is a whole lot closer to the actual facts than every claim ever printed.
3...someone/anyone show me a clip or pic of prime arnold doing 4 plates on the bench? hell, show me him even doing 3 plates for sets and reps.
4...most of you guys are basing your retorts on your own measurements, which 9.999999999999999999999 times out of ten are either completely delusional, a lie, or taken when your body fat is about a million times higher than arnold's ever was. some of you guys with 18" ars should try getting ripped some time...that is, if you can handle the cold hard fact that your cut measurement is actually more along the lines of 15" or less.
5...arnold claimed a squat of 400lbs for 8 reps. this was done with knee wraps on and not to parallel. put 400 on the bar, take the knee wraps off and get him to do full squats and you'll find Squadfather is pretty accurate.
6...a true 52" chest cut is an enormous chest. again, i'll simply request those claiming to the contrary to take an honest assessment of their condition (or better, get a knowledgeable independant person to do it for you) ie are you cut, abs, lines, etc.
7...arnold's and arnold guy's claims have gone up proportionately with the contemporary bber ie if ronnie coleman can bench 500+ real or imagined (in ronnie's case, prob closer to real) then arnold's 400 (and imo, Squadfather was generous here) looks pretty paltry by comparison, bber or not. we saw an off season franco struggle with touch and go reps (2) on pumping iron and franco had far far better leverages for benching than arnold.
8...bodybuilding 101 = grossly inflated egos... anyone that actually witnesses these guys training with real weights in the gym has a good chuckle when reading the claims in the magazines. cutting these claims in half would be a good formula for deciphering what they really lift. i know some of you retards like to say that, if ryan kelly can do 650 raw, then trey brewer should be at least close to that, but that thinking is so retarded that i would be stuck on this post for the next 4hrs and 10 pages pointing out the reality. to be quite honest, it would feel like i was teaching 6 yr old special ed kids how to read.
9...arnold was bloody strong, but he was a bber. he was training his muscles, not his ego or for p/lifting comp. he squatted with the bar very high on his traps and benched with minimal arc and a smooth rep cadence. he did not train for brutal all out effort, but rather for sustained bursts with a greater total workload. his was more an accumulation of damage rather than an all out assault on his mucles.
10...i have a suggestion for bob chic or maybe even special ed. it would be a great discussion point and very interesting if someone (reliable) took a taped meaurement of the arms, legs, chest and scaled the body wts of every competitor at this years mr olympia on competition day. yes, the bbers are much larger today and you have the added inches of synthol, etc but it would provide a useful insight and perspective on past and present claims of pro bbers. i'd be willing to bet 1000 dollars u.s that less than half of these competitors have 30"+ thighs, 20"+ arms or genuine 52"+ chests. this despite the site injection mania (which can add inches to measurements).
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GH15 you are a fucking MORON.
Whn I first started training my arms would pump up 1.5 inches easily-and they still pump up 1.25 to 1.5 inches today.
The notion that a pump can only give you a 1/4 inch on your arms is so fucking far off base that it proves you're the fraud of frauds.
Do us all a favor and put a cork in your snake oil bullshit.
A full pump adds around 1/2 inch to a muscular arm of around 18 inches. I competed for nearly 40 years and can't remember anyone pumping up much more than that including Arnold. Sergio and Lou maybe gained 3/4 inch. And Johnnyvegas, I've seen your photographs of your twig arms, could you come round to my kitchen and stick your hand down my sink to remove a blockage thats there?
Thanks sonny.
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1...most of the arnold pics floating around are shopped eg. the one where he's doing the right bi pose in the sun.
2...Squadfather is a whole lot closer to the actual facts than every claim ever printed.
3...someone/anyone show me a clip or pic of prime arnold doing 4 plates on the bench? hell, show me him even doing 3 plates for sets and reps.
4...most of you guys are basing your retorts on your own measurements, which 9.999999999999999999999 times out of ten are either completely delusional, a lie, or taken when your body fat is about a million times higher than arnold's ever was. some of you guys with 18" ars should try getting ripped some time...that is, if you can handle the cold hard fact that your cut measurement is actually more along the lines of 15" or less.
5...arnold claimed a squat of 400lbs for 8 reps. this was done with knee wraps on and not to parallel. put 400 on the bar, take the knee wraps off and get him to do full squats and you'll find Squadfather is pretty accurate.
6...a true 52" chest cut is an enormous chest. again, i'll simply request those claiming to the contrary to take an honest assessment of their condition (or better, get a knowledgeable independant person to do it for you) ie are you cut, abs, lines, etc.
7...arnold's and arnold guy's claims have gone up proportionately with the contemporary bber ie if ronnie coleman can bench 500+ real or imagined (in ronnie's case, prob closer to real) then arnold's 400 (and imo, Squadfather was generous here) looks pretty paltry by comparison, bber or not. we saw an off season franco struggle with touch and go reps (2) on pumping iron and franco had far far better leverages for benching than arnold.
8...bodybuilding 101 = grossly inflated egos... anyone that actually witnesses these guys training with real weights in the gym has a good chuckle when reading the claims in the magazines. cutting these claims in half would be a good formula for deciphering what they really lift. i know some of you retards like to say that, if ryan kelly can do 650 raw, then trey brewer should be at least close to that, but that thinking is so retarded that i would be stuck on this post for the next 4hrs and 10 pages pointing out the reality. to be quite honest, it would feel like i was teaching 6 yr old special ed kids how to read.
9...arnold was bloody strong, but he was a bber. he was training his muscles, not his ego or for p/lifting comp. he squatted with the bar very high on his traps and benched with minimal arc and a smooth rep cadence. he did not train for brutal all out effort, but rather for sustained bursts with a greater total workload. his was more an accumulation of damage rather than an all out assault on his mucles.
10...i have a suggestion for bob chic or maybe even special ed. it would be a great discussion point and very interesting if someone (reliable) took a taped meaurement of the arms, legs, chest and scaled the body wts of every competitor at this years mr olympia on competition day. yes, the bbers are much larger today and you have the added inches of synthol, etc but it would provide a useful insight and perspective on past and present claims of pro bbers. i'd be willing to bet 1000 dollars u.s that less than half of these competitors have 30"+ thighs, 20"+ arms or genuine 52"+ chests. this despite the site injection mania (which can add inches to measurements).
Good points in general BUT most pics of Arnold are not shopped mate. Just look at your Arnie Books which were PRE photoshop.
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Good points in general BUT most pics of Arnold are not shopped mate. Just look at your Arnie Books which were PRE photoshop.
yeah, i was unclear there. i mean, some of the crazy ones floating around on the net, bt most on here are true ie the ones from pollux etc are good...
compare the ones in his book with right bi pose in the sun, blue sky and you'll see what i mean.
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7...arnold's and arnold guy's claims have gone up proportionately with the contemporary bber ie if ronnie coleman can bench 500+ real or imagined (in ronnie's case, prob closer to real) then arnold's 400 (and imo, Squadfather was generous here) looks pretty paltry by comparison, bber or not. we saw an off season franco struggle with touch and go reps (2) on pumping iron and franco had far far better leverages for benching than arnold.
Franco was laughing during that bench. he was hardly concentrating. here is a shot of Franco benching MORE than 4 plates a side with the spotter not even in ready position, which would indicate he's doing more than just a few reps.
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Franco was laughing during that bench. he was hardly concentrating. here is a shot of Franco benching MORE than 4 plates a side with the spotter not even in ready position, which would indicate he's doing more than just a few reps.
actually, i was thinking of the gym shot where arnold comes back from 'stay hungry'.
franco's max is a whole different animal to arnold's. franco had perfect leverages ie very deep rib cage and thick chest combined with very short limbs. his rom was about a quarter that of arnold's and, beside that fact, he was much more motivated to be as strong as he could be and typically used much more p/lifting movements and heavier weights than arnold.
even so, there is no evidence whatsoever of franco doing 500lb+ bench press.
30 years from now, arnold, circa 1974, was doing 800lb bench presses and franco, 1000lbs and they will have had 70"+ chest girth.
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actually, i was thinking of the gym shot where arnold comes back from 'stay hungry'.
franco's max is a whole different animal to arnold's. franco had perfect leverages ie very deep rib cage and thick chest combined with very short limbs. his rom was about a quarter that of arnold's and, beside that fact, he was much more motivated to be as strong as he could be and typically used much more p/lifting movements and heavier weights than arnold.
even so, there is no evidence whatsoever of franco doing 500lb+ bench press.
30 years from now, arnold, circa 1974, was doing 800lb bench presses and franco, 1000lbs and they will have had 70"+ chest girth.
lol probably right about that last point. time often exaggerates the truth, as we're possibly seeing here. but i think it's good to overestimate, even slightly, than underestimate, as with all the photos we've seen of Arnold/Franco benching, there's no proof that they couldn't have done more in a more focused and closed-off environment, going for that 1RM or just to put more focus on training, without the cameras.
i personally believe Franco could bench 500 for at least a 1RM in his prime. Arnold was probably about 50lbs less than Franco, but at Arnold's strongest, I also wouldn't put a 500 1RM behind him. there are just so little bench training pics out there.
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It's common knowledge that Arnold lied about his height. Now, if you are going to lie about how tall you are then it stands to reason that you would also lie about your other body measurements.
you can only lie about your height max 2inches though pro football players in united states add max 2inches they figure 1inch for cleats and add in the extra inch for leverage for stats. Most men add in one inch since they always measure themselves with shoes on if you look at the chart for height to weight ratio you will see a little disclaimer saying, "standard one inche shoe height was worn"
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got any proof? i'm calling bullshit until i....................see proof. :D
And where is your proof that Arnold could only do a single with 405 lbs and bench 350 lbs for reps? ;)
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I read Arnolds encycolpedia and theres a piture of him benching 4 plates,REPs?maybe 1 or 2 he explained it was very hard for him to Bench heavy due to his long arms and he also stated that Franco was much stronger than him.
His arms were probaly fully pumped a fraction over 20, you must remember the shape of his biceps are extremly blessed giving that optical illusion of them being much bigger.
As far as the chest measurement it was the biggest for his generation and can stand toe to toe with the best pros of today.
I understand Squads frustration with Arnold nut huggers claiming rediculous measurements.
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I just wish Arnold would come clean on his 'real' height....I heard versions from 6 ft. through to 6 ft. 2.
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ATTENTION SQUADFATHER
Got this from ironhistory:
I heard from Jusup that Arnold went from a shadow of his former self to his Olympia condition in e i g h t weeks - Arnold is a true freak. A friend of mine has film material of that training-where Franco is joining the duo of Arnold and Jusup.
One could still see that despite Arnold not being in his legendary shape he has fantastic genetics. They pumped ca. 5 sets of around 15 reps with 330-350 in the bench press on that film, in a quick pace and no limit efforts.
- W. Hasenmaier
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ATTENTION SQUADFATHER
Got this from ironhistory:
I heard from Jusup that Arnold went from a shadow of his former self to his Olympia condition in e i g h t weeks - Arnold is a true freak. A friend of mine has film material of that training-where Franco is joining the duo of Arnold and Jusup.
One could still see that despite Arnold not being in his legendary shape he has fantastic genetics. They pumped ca. 5 sets of around 15 reps with 330-350 in the bench press on that film, in a quick pace and no limit efforts.
- W. Hasenmaier
Offer Proof of Life.
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ATTENTION SQUADFATHER
They pumped ca. 5 sets of around 15 reps with 330-350 in the bench press on that film, in a quick pace and no limit efforts.
- W. Hasenmaier
No youtube = no believe
The Arnold nutworship here is epic. Somehow the fact that he could "only" bench 400 or so and never had thigh size to compare with the rest is too hard to swallow, the fantasy ruined. :-[ :'(
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Questioning lifting claims is 100% legitimate.
However, purposefully arguing for down-tuned abilities is not.
I know several 4 plate benchers and people who can rep 3 plates for 8-10. And they're natural, and they're NOWHERE Arnold's size - not in the target muscles, not in bodyweight. I can put up 3 for 4 maybe 5 reps...and I'd look like a fucking clown next to Arnold. And you're telling me he could only beat me by 4-5 reps? lol
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I don't remember the source but there was an article (maybe from Dave Draper's site?) - a workout article - where Arnold trained chest and did (I assume) "bent-arm" flyes (but still) with 100 lbs.
Arnold could deadlift 700+ at a young age. That tells you about his strength potential. But somehow he'd struggle putting up 315 for 11? LOL.
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Questioning lifting claims is 100% legitimate.
However, purposefully arguing for down-tuned abilities is not.
I know several 4 plate benchers and people who can rep 3 plates for 8-10. And they're natural, and they're NOWHERE Arnold's size - not in the target muscles, not in bodyweight. I can put up 3 for 4 maybe 5 reps...and I'd look like a fucking clown next to Arnold. And you're telling me he could only beat me by 4-5 reps? lol
Very common for novices to assume that muscle size = strength. That's true only to some extent, it doesn't follow an exact 1-to-1 relationship when it comes to BB.
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Does this look like a guy who'd struggle with 315?
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery7/mg270.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery5/ga150.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery6/xmg139.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery9/amg14.jpg)
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Very common for novices to assume that muscle size = strength. That's true only to some extent, it doesn't follow an exact 1-to-1 relationship when it comes to BB.
Everyone knows this - except total novices. But that's not the point. That much muscle is still going to have the ability to move a lot of weight. and that, my friend, is a very uncontroversial statement.
Arguing that "well size doesn't nec. equal strength" is bull when you're talking 315 lbs. That much muscle mass is absolutely gonna have a lot of horse power.
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Does this look like a guy who'd struggle with 315?
Exactly my point; you're making an assumption based on appearance.
Based on szie/appearance, novices would assume that this guy would be weaker than Schwarz.
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Everyone knows this - except total novices. But that's not the point. That much muscle is still going to have the ability to move a lot of weight. and that, my friend, is a very uncontroversial statement.
Arguing that "well size doesn't nec. equal strength" is bull when you're talking 315 lbs. That much muscle mass is absolutely gonna have a lot of horse power.
Maximum tissue size is built mainly by moving progressively more moderate/moderately heavy weight many times to pump the tissue, it doesn't require great strength and the training reflects it. Padilla was arguably the best short guy ever, more tissue than Columbu but i've never seen any great strength claims about him or about Dillet, one of the best physiques ever. Chuck Sipes would've been the biggest BB of the 60s if there was a direct strength/size correlation. Coleman's strength is the exception not the rule.
Still waiting for a viable explanation as to why Schwarzenegger the great squatter's set on the movie was edited. :D
He's 6'1", not 6 or 6'2". He's not known for extreme candor so don't expect it in his books...duh! His best measurements aren't completely false, they're pumped measurements off season.
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Why was it edited? Because there wasn't marketing appeal in watching guys just move big weights. That might have more of a NEGATIVE effect. It was hard enough to market it as it was without losing content.
You are SERIOUSLY wrong. Enough drugs and muscle size will without a doubt generally enable the lifter to move heavier weight. Even when doing sets of 10-15 reps.
If you think Arnold would struggle with 315 for 12 then you're living in fantasyland, sorry. And I am generally quite a skeptic.
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Why was it edited? Because there wasn't marketing appeal in watching guys just move big weights.
Bizarrre logic given the fact that they then included all of Corney's squat set, the best training sequence of the movie along with Ferrigno's. All of those sets would've been similarly edited, which they weren't.
If you think Arnold would struggle with 315 for 12 then you're living in fantasyland, sorry. And I am generally quite a skeptic.
Who said struggle with 315, he'd struggle with 400 unlike the stronger BBs like Sipes, Szkalak, Fox and Columbu. Low 400s as a max. is about right, that's the same range that's been published without change since the 1970s. That doesn't translate to bangin out 5 x 15 with 335-350.
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I'd say he could hit low-400s no problem. at his best, I would give him upto 500.
1975, when the majority of his training pics were filmed, would likely not be his strongest, so it's not entirely fair to give estimates based on the weight he threw up in those pics and footage.
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Everyone knows this - except total novices. But that's not the point. That much muscle is still going to have the ability to move a lot of weight. and that, my friend, is a very uncontroversial statement.
Arguing that "well size doesn't nec. equal strength" is bull when you're talking 315 lbs. That much muscle mass is absolutely gonna have a lot of horse power.
post some proof, post one picture of Arnold with more than 405 on his chest.
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Is this thread STILL going on??? Yawn ....
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Everyone needs to stop thinking Arnold could have possibly been a contender today in his 1970's shape. Sure with today's drugs, training styles, whatever. But he was not as big, not as strong, not as lean, the list goes on. If you think he was benching 350 for five sets of 15 without struggling I've got a sandbox in Florida to sell you.
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post some proof, post one picture of Arnold with more than 405 on his chest.
Lack of pictures does not equate zero ability. You know this.
But hey it's nice to know I'll be as strong as Arnold Schwarzenegger in a few years :D ::)
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Does it really matter how much Arnold could bench? He was a bodybuilder (and a very successful one at that), not a powerlifter. The fact is, Arnold won 7 Olympias and took no lower than 11th in the other shows he competed in. That makes him the "numero uno" bodybuilder of the 70s and one that is debatably better than most of the Mr. Olympias who've since followed him
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Does it really matter how much Arnold could bench? He was a bodybuilder (and a very successful one at that), not a powerlifter. The fact is, Arnold won 7 Olympias and took no lower than 11th in the other shows he competed in. That makes him the "numero uno" bodybuilder of the 70s and one that is debatably better than most of the Mr. Olympias who've since followed him
no it doesn't but my point was to blow to shit the stupid claim that he could bench 540 and i did just that.
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for all of you nuthuggers who believe the Great Arnold walked on water here's the truth
Height-6'1"
Weight 235-240 pounds
Arms-right at 20 inches pumped
Chest-52 inches
Waist-34-35 inches
Legs-26 inches
Bench Press-405 pound single, 315 for a good set of 8-10
Squat-405 for a couple of reps
I do appreciate your effort to inject a little truth into the b.s. that proliferates Arnold's accomplishments, Dave ... I really do.
Still ...
I am, if not certain, pretty sure Arnold could've benched into the mid-400s.
I know benching 405 alone is quite an accomplishment and all, but, without being able to prove it, I'd bet Arnold was capable of 450 or so. I also think that he could "squat" more than 405 at his peak, but that depends a lot on how you define a "squat." (Arnold's quadriceps were awesome in 1974. He did look as if he could squat more than 500 then -- though, of course, looks aren't everything.)
I agree on Arnold's waist. From everything I've seen, he'd be hard-pressed to present less than a 33" waist even when ripped.
But I do think that same Arnold would've registered a larger chest measurement. My boyfriend Sean has a huge chest, and he is shorter than
Arnold's supposed 6'2"; still, he indicates a man of Arnold's dimensions would have to be upwards of 54" at least. (Side-note: Sean doesn't think Arnold had much less than a 34" waist in ripped condition.) 57" seems a little ridiculous, but 54" or so seems well within the realm of possibility.)
What do you think, Sarcasm?
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I do appreciate your effort to inject a little truth into the b.s. that proliferates Arnold's accomplishments, Dave ... I really do.
Still ...
I am, if not certain, pretty sure Arnold could've benched into the mid-400s.
I know benching 405 alone is quite an accomplishment and all, but, without being able to prove it, I'd bet Arnold was capable of 450 or so. I also think that he could "squat" more than 405 at his peak, but that depends a lot on how you define a "squat." (Arnold's quadriceps were awesome in 1974. He did look as if he could squat more than 500 then -- though, of course, looks aren't everything.)
I agree on Arnold's waist. From everything I've seen, he'd be hard-pressed to present less than a 33" waist even when ripped.
But I do think that same Arnold would've registered a larger chest measurement. My boyfriend Sean has a huge chest, and he is shorter than
Arnold's supposed 6'2"; still, he indicates a man of Arnold's dimensions would have to be upwards of 54" at least. (Side-note: Sean doesn't think Arnold had much less than a 34" waist in ripped condition.) 57" seems a little ridiculous, but 54" or so seems well within the realm of possibility.)
What do you think, Sarcasm?
what i think is that a lot of people throw around numbers like "60 inch chest", "22 inch arms", "540 pound bench press" with absolutely no idea of what they're talking about or how large those MUSCULAR measurements are or how heavy a bar loaded down with 5 big plates and a quarter on each side on a bench press really is.
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what i think is that a lot of people throw around numbers like "60 inch chest", "22 inch arms", "540 pound bench press" with absolutely no idea of what they're talking about or how large those MUSCULAR measurements are or how heavy a bar loaded down with 5 big plates and a quarter on each side on a bench press really is.
I'm with you on that Squadfather... Fuck... That kind of weight is just fucking ungodly.
Seriously, has anyone ever really seen a 21 inch CUT arm? It's fucking massive looking.
Why is it so hard to believe that those were Arnold's measurements (the ones you've posted)?
Look at Ronnie... The guy weighed 290 pounds at 5'10" and his arm was around 23 - 24 inches?
Is it really THAT hard to believe that Arnold's arm wasn't as big as it's made out to be?
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Damn you squadfather
Hurt a lot of peoples feelings
I predict 30pages
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For what it's worth...
A friend of mine (credible guy, someone I would believe) met Dorian Yates at a seminar in Belfast just after the '93 Olympia. I don't have any verification of this story, but I'll tell it for what it's worth...
Yates was at his best ever, no tears... no injuries... and 295 lbs with a hint of abs.
They got to talking after the seminar... Yates mentioned that having overdieted in '92 he had been a little less drastic in '93 which resulted in him coming in some 15 lbs heavier. But that he had been contest ready nearly a month out from his second Mr O win and that next year ('94, not realising he'd be injured) he hoped to diet less and come in around 270 ripped.
My friend mentioned FLEX Wheeler's claim of a 23.5'' arm at 220 lbs in contest form... Yates laughed and replied that at 295 lbs off-season his arms only barely broke the 20'' mark (20.125'') when he finished a bicep workout. (Apparently Yates was very fastidious about measurements and records)
To add credence to that story, the Guinness Book of Records people measured Greg Valentino's synthol filled growths live on tv... the result: 24.5'' and 24'' does tha tally with Arnold having 23'' or 22'' arms?
If your arm actually measured more than 22'' you'd be able to touch your bicep peak with the index finger of that same arm.
The Luke
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Arnold also cured cancer, walked on the moon, fought a grizzly bear and invented the MusclePhone.
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There is more bullshit in the sport of bbing than there is anywhere else in the world...
2 months ago in MD in the kai greene interview, he claimed 21" arms at 17 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH honestly i couldn't stop laughing for some time after that. Then he went on to say that his arms were at least 23" now.. What a fucken idiot..
Arnolds claims were most likely exagerated (but stil he is the best ever).
Today ever pro out there is claiming 22" guns and a 50" chest its complete bullshit
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To add credence to that story, the Guinness Book of Records people measured Greg Valentino's synthol filled growths live on tv... the result: 24.5'' and 24'' does tha tally with Arnold having 23'' or 22'' arms?
If your arm actually measured more than 22'' you'd be able to touch your bicep peak with the index finger of that same arm.
The Luke
Hahaha, the guinness book used to have the 56', 21' measurements for Arnold in the late l980s (which was when I last looked at it). They might have qualified it with a "claims to have" though.
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Check out the video at 0.57sec and take a gander at what's on the bar. No spotter to be seen.
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Check out the video at 0.57sec and take a gander at what's on the bar. No spotter to be seen.
looks like 3x45 and a 35 at first glance
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Check out the video at 0.57sec and take a gander at what's on the bar. No spotter to be seen.
Yeah, post a video with each of those plates on a scale, and then we'll talk....
about how the scale might be fake ;D
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Yeah, post a video with each of those plates on a scale, and then we'll talk....
about how the scale might be fake ;D
Yeah we should do that to Dingleberry down in Vista, CA huh Calmus?
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i can't see how much is on the bar at 0.57 because some of the 45s and 35s they used regularly were very large.
what i do know is there is no way in hell arnold was ever repping 360 or over 400 for reps on a high incline like that.
hope this helps.
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What's so damn impressive about a 50" chest for crying out loud! It's not that big at all. Many of you are acting like Arnold claimed the impossible. He was a HUGE man, with very large upper measurements and proportions. He was NOT 5'6". He was at least 6'1" and well into his 250's.
Personally, I believe the 22 1/4" PUMPED
and I believe he had a 57"-58" PUMPED
I'm quite sure at his strongest, he was able to press MINIMUM 420 pounds on the bench for REPS and a max of over 500 pounds.
He was the greatest of all time.
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What's so damn impressive about a 50" chest for crying out loud! It's not that big at all. Many of you are acting like Arnold claimed the impossible. He was a HUGE man, with very large upper measurements and proportions. He was NOT 5'6". He was at least 6'1" and well into his 250's.
Personally, I believe the 22 1/4" PUMPED
and I believe he had a 57"-58" PUMPED
I'm quite sure at his strongest, he was able to press MINIMUM 420 pounds on the bench for REPS and a max of over 500 pounds.
He was the greatest of all time.
meltdown
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Time to set the record straight:
-Arnold was 6ft. 1; even though he liked to believe he was 6ft.2.
-Arnold sat between 230-240. When off the cycles he would drop to 200.
There is no clear evidence of Arnold's true strength and lift numbers. However, Franco often joked that Arnold was weak!
Arnold's arms have been recorded at being 19.5 inches and 21 inch on a full pump.
OK, enough said.
Look Getbiggers, Arnold is just a man! Yes, he responded well to the drugs but worked his absolute butt off in the gym.
Arnold is the most driven man on the planet. But i repeat he is still just a human being!
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arnold was 19.5 inch arm that pumped into little over 20 inch arm past trainign,,his muscle shape was a diff story,,,he made his arms look like they were 23 inch and thats the name of the game
B O D Y B U I L D I N G
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I respect your opinion Gh.
Peace.
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Arnold could deadlift 700+ and there are pics of this. And you think his squat max was 400 for a couple?
His arms were definitely bigger than 19-20.
Squad, you're taking this too far my friend :)
315 for 8-10? bull. Seriously. At 21 with a few years training I can do 315 for 4 maybe 5 reps. and you're telling me Arnold Scwharzengger at 240 lbs on steroids with 20+ inch arms could only outlift me by maybe 4-5 reps?
we are the same age similar strength too lol
also about this. my arms are 18.5 cold flexed. no way arnies were 20. at least 21.
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also about this. my arms are 18.5 cold flexed. no way arnies were 20. at least 21.
See this is EXACTLY where I'm coming from.
My (left, I only use this for reference) arm measures 18 cold. And I don't have fat arms either. My bf isn't low - but it isn't high either.
And compared to a 300 lb OFF SEASON Dorian -- his were 20 WITH pump? WTF.
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Ok, I know we have to factor in that Dorian's arms were not the best...but still. It's Dorian Yates for the love of God.
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See this is EXACTLY where I'm coming from.
My (left, I only use this for reference) arm measures 18 cold. And I don't have fat arms either. My bf isn't low - but it isn't high either.
And compared to a 300 lb OFF SEASON Dorian -- his were 20 WITH pump? WTF.
i am fairly lean maybe 10% and arnolds absolute dwarf mine. at a very siomilar height too.
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i am fairly lean maybe 10% and arnolds absolute dwarf mine. at a very siomilar height too.
Have you dieted down to 10% or do you stay lean when bulking?
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See this is EXACTLY where I'm coming from.
My (left, I only use this for reference) arm measures 18 cold. And I don't have fat arms either. My bf isn't low - but it isn't high either.
And compared to a 300 lb OFF SEASON Dorian -- his were 20 WITH pump? WTF.
still calling bullshit tilleth i seeeth PROOFETH. :D
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no offense but it's funny how some of you deify the guy. He obviously was an incredible BB, actor and politician and one of the most successful people of all time but he didn't turn water into wine or invent penicillin.
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squad, why would you start a thread about arnolds measurements, when you have a 50" gut?
you obese fuck
hahahahahhaa, you're back for more abuse i see, SIS BOOOM BAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHH ;D
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hahahahahhahaaaa, why do you make me do it jizz boy. ;D
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post that all day.
it still doesnt look as bad as this, fatty
how long did you have to suck your boyfriends peter for him to jixx on your chest twink? ;D
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it's obviously not abuse. one of us starts it, and continues it, laughing like no other...while the other (you) makes the same childish remarks, disappears for 40 minutes to go eat his daily burger king and twinkies, and then tries to not respond, so the thread doesnt keep getting bumped.
you're a fat slob, just admit it.
HAHAHA
;D
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squad.
you can joke as much as you want about cum on my chest.
we both know it's not.
you are trying to change the topic, so you can avoid the real issue.
Obviously theres not cum on my chest.
I've admitted I have a big forehead, and nose.
You still wont admit you're fat, and explain why. Lack of cardio, love of grease? What is it?
first tell me why you have.................... ............sperm on yo chest. ;D
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good joke squad, it already got old.
now what can you hide behind?
lets both post a waist up, clear picture on the board, just for fun..
cmon fatty!
hahahahhahaaa, epic self owning having gay porn on your computer, explains the semen on your skinny malnourished bird chest. ;D
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epic self owning?
you have a picture of ME saved on your computer, with supposed jizz on my chest?
I know you look at it every night, and wish it was jizz. Its gets your heart racing enough that you can
get up for your 12 oclock midnight burger and fried fish sandwich.
hahahahhaa, care to explain why you have a picture of two men engaged in sexual activity on your computer? :-X
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i went to yahoo images, typed in "fat gay men"
and the first picture was titled "squad"
I thought it was fitting.
hahahahahaa, why would you be looking for "gay" anything in a search engine if you're not gay?
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to find a picture of you you dumbass.
hahahahhaaa, of course it was. ;)
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A lot of people here underestimate how heavy an actual 500 pound benchpress is.
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I just noticed your stats...
20 percent bodyfat?
Dude, give me a fucking break.
You're like 50, at least.
You're one of the people you see in a pool just floating in the deepend.
i'm actually 82 percent bf but hey..................... i ain't got semen on my chest. :D
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squad, you should make a road trip to va.
there is the worlds largest fast fourt court about 3 miles from my house. You can make a month of it.
I hear you set the canadian record for most days consecutively unemployed without missing breakfast,
lunch, and dinner at BK.
nah i wouldn't want to catch anything from the jizz you have on your "body", thanks anyway. ;D
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I dont get it.Why doesnt cushingrw just say "I have cum on my chest because I like cum".Just end it.What difference does it make.No one even knows you,and those that do,would just take it as a goof.Here,let me help you out.The reason I have cum on my chest was because my boyfriend told me it was a good skin moisturiser.I didnt know the picture was going to end up on the net.
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I dont get it.Why doesnt cushingrw just say "I have cum on my chest because I like cum".Just end it.What difference does it make.No one even knows you,and those that do,would just take it as a goof.Here,let me help you out.The reason I have cum on my chest was because my boyfriend told me it was a good skin moisturiser.I didnt know the picture was going to end up on the net.
hahahhaa, the funniest thing is that he posted it himself, epic self ownage. ;D
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Why would he post a picture of himself with cum on his chest?
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Why would he post a picture of himself with cum on his chest?
umm...........maybe because he's a fagg.
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Why would he post a picture of himself with cum on his chest?
It's easier than setting up an account on a gay dating website.
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Come on,you mean you never thought about trying it?Im not saying you have done it,but the thought never crossed your mind?My question is,why are you hanging around saunas?Thats like going to a gay bar for the appetizers.
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I dint know about that.However,I do know that saunas in a gym are notorious places for gay hook ups.Most guys I know,wont even shower near the sauna door because queers are always jacking off while looking out the little window.To each his own,but sitting in man spooge is not the way I prefer to end a training session.
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I dint know about that.However,I do know that saunas in a gym are notorious places for gay hook ups.Most guys I know,wont even shower near the sauna door because queers are always jacking off while looking out the little window.To each his own,but sitting in man spooge is not the way I prefer to end a training session.
"cushing" showers in that shit.
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squad, you should make a road trip to va.
there is the worlds largest fast fourt court about 3 miles from my house. You can make a month of it.
I hear you set the canadian record for most days consecutively unemployed without missing breakfast,
lunch, and dinner at BK.
Close that "Dupont Circle" area huh?
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no dude.
it's wayyyyy more fun to let squad think he's in control. I can see him at his monitor, stuffing twinkies by the handful down his throat.
He loves it, and gets all excited.
THEN BOOM, the tables turn on him, and he starts goign nuts, and will stop responding.
It's so predictable.
I dont respond to the picture, because anyone with a brain knows that its not cum. The only idiots who make the jokes, are squad, and his little gang of fatasses.
I dont care how much he posts it, I know everyday, when I call him out on being fat, his only defense is "look at this picture of gay cushingrw" heeheehee.
He never says anythign abotu being fat.
It looks like cum, if it is not cum what is it? Just curious...
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Bullshit!
Arthur Jones measured Arnolds arms at 19 5/8 cold. You can add in another 1.5 inches pumped which would bring his arms to over 21.
Franco had a 50 inch chest-and Armold makes Franco look like a 5th graders. More like 60 inches for Arnold's chest.
I also think the bench press is way too low.
YES!
Also Jones said Sergios were barely over 20, measured cold first flex on the morning.
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Arnie did dwarf Sergio in some poses though....
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squad is just a fat pile of shit, he spends all day on the computer trying to rip on ther peoplw to fill that void in his life, because no one in the real world wants anything to so with him..
keep eating fatty :-X
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You're a fucking idiot.
First you said you can only get a 1/4 inch pump, now it is half an inch-more of your stupid fucking bullshit.
My arms pump anywhere from 1.25 to 1.50 inches cold to fully pumped.
Hey I tell you whay Mr. gh15 Nobody, please come on out to So Cal and lets train for an afternoon, we can do arms and I will show you how to bust past that 17 inch barrier you are stuck at.
Wtf? 1.25 - 1.5 inch increase when pumped?
My arms are only 17 inches and only go 1/4 - half an inch when pumped
gh15 is right
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i remember staring for hours comparing arnold to sergio to decide what arms i wanted to build for my own sake
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i remember staring for hours comparing arnold to sergio to decide what arms i wanted to build for my own sake
Arnolds, they're prettier and would pull in more pooon than Sergios
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sergio is huge
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26" seams really small for legs, rest looks about right.
when musclemag came out with that arnold mag his legs measured 28in before one of the mr. o's
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when musclemag came out with that arnold mag his legs measured 28in before one of the mr. o's
I heard 28 as well.
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For what its worth. Frank Zane trained with Arnold sometimes and they got into some "heavy" squatting at one point. According to Frank, they worked up to 405, he got up to 10 reps and Arnold got up to 8. That would be about a 500 lb max give or take. Frank had the better thighs, so then numbers make sense.
AS for benching, in the book Pumping Iron, Charles Gaines describes Arnold "Happily pushing 315 lbs 12 times off his supine self" Again no reason to doubt it. This was like the 5th set of 9, working up to heaviest weight and then back down. So thats maybe a 450 max bench"???
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For what its worth. Frank Zane trained with Arnold sometimes and they got into some "heavy" squatting at one point. According to Frank, they worked up to 405, he got up to 10 reps and Arnold got up to 8. That would be about a 500 lb max give or take. Frank had the better thighs, so then numbers make sense.
AS for benching, in the book Pumping Iron, Charles Gaines describes Arnold "Happily pushing 315 lbs 12 times off his supine self" Again no reason to doubt it. This was like the 5th set of 9, working up to heaviest weight and then back down. So thats maybe a 450 max bench"???
He said 500 unassisted, and I know ive seen pics of him handling 455 before.
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Post them, that would be helpful. I can see him getting 5 plates maybe for 1 rep, but I have never seen anything like that taken of him. Saw one of him and Franco at the Pit and he had 445 on the bar with Franco standing by. That was the only pic I have seen of him with more than 400 on the bar. NOT saying it didnt happen........
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arnold was a master at presentation
hiding weaknesses and showing his strenghts
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What's so damn impressive about a 50" chest for crying out loud! It's not that big at all. Many of you are acting like Arnold claimed the impossible. He was a HUGE man, with very large upper measurements and proportions. He was NOT 5'6". He was at least 6'1" and well into his 250's.
Personally, I believe the 22 1/4" PUMPED
and I believe he had a 57"-58" PUMPED
I'm quite sure at his strongest, he was able to press MINIMUM 420 pounds on the bench for REPS and a max of over 500 pounds.
He was the greatest of all time.
You have a sickness, srop living your life through others.
It's already been explained about measurements. He was a bodybuilder who used huge ammounts of drugs to attain his physique, whenever he stopped usage he looked average and he was not an elite strength athlete.
Fucking idiots randomly throwing about numbers.
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See this is EXACTLY where I'm coming from.
My (left, I only use this for reference) arm measures 18 cold. And I don't have fat arms either. My bf isn't low - but it isn't high either.
And compared to a 300 lb OFF SEASON Dorian -- his were 20 WITH pump? WTF.
Two inch circumfrance is a huge difference, your thinking of it as distance.
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AS for benching, in the book Pumping Iron, Charles Gaines describes Arnold "Happily pushing 315 lbs 12 times off his supine self"
I thought that was reference to nubret?
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arnold was a master at presentation
hiding weaknesses and showing his strenghts
and what the fuck does that have to do with him being able to bench press 500lbs? he either can or he cant.
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there are records of a powerlifting meet or two that arnold competed ion when he was young,dont remember exact numbers but higher than what was posted on here,deadlift was the best iam thinkind it was ove 600,i know bench was more than 405.
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i just googled arnold and powerlifting,in 1968 arnold competed in his last powermeet,the german powerlifting championships,he squatted 215 kilos which is close to 500# he benched 200 kilos which comes out to about 440# and he deadlifted 710#this was all done while he was still quite young and would say he got stronger,he just didnt max out for one rep after this.
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and what the fuck does that have to do with him being able to bench press 500lbs? he either can or he cant.
talking bout the measurements , not your debate on a 500lb bench
last I checked arnold wasnt doing WSM or PL meets, who cares what he benched
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who cares ... it's about what he looked like which is AWESOME
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i just googled arnold and powerlifting,in 1968 arnold competed in his last powermeet,the german powerlifting championships,he squatted 215 kilos which is close to 500# he benched 200 kilos which comes out to about 440# and he deadlifted 710#this was all done while he was still quite young and would say he got stronger,he just didnt max out for one rep after this.
lol at the clowns that don't believe Arnolds lifts....500 for 1 is what he claims and it sounds right, someone said 450, lol, I know 3-4 guys on tis thread alone that are cracking over 400, 450 is nothing, 600 deads is nothing, 500 squats is also notihng, hgh school numbrs gentlemen. :-*
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lol at the clowns that don't believe Arnolds lifts....500 for 1 is what he claims and it sounds right, someone said 450, lol, I know 3-4 guys on tis thread alone that are cracking over 400, 450 is nothing, 600 deads is nothing, 500 squats is also notihng, hgh school numbrs gentlemen. :-*
450 is nothing but 500 is great? Haha we have another retard on board.
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450 is nothing but 500 is great? Haha we have another retard on board.
no you retard 400 is nothing 600 would be great. You should know that every gym has a dozen guys doing 400 and probably only 1 or 2 doing over 450 so ya big differance you idiot....think about it like this.. thousands can run 10.6 100m, but only a few can run 10.0 100m, obviously this wouldn't be logical to you since you haven't experianced these numbers before
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It's all relative. 400 is astonishing weighing less than 200 pounds. 500 is also astonishing at 220.
500 is less impressive at 350. It is
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Id say Arnold was a prettys trong guy.Those PL numbers aint too shabby considering we are talkin about a genetically skinny kid to begin with. I remember a picture where hes BB rowing 3 plates a side without straps and his upper body parallel to the floor balancing on a weight bench LOL kind of strange why anyone would want to make it harder when off the floor with straps and a more upright position wouldve been safer.But thats a solid bent over row by any standards IMO
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lol at the clowns that don't believe Arnolds lifts....500 for 1 is what he claims and it sounds right, someone said 450, lol, I know 3-4 guys on tis thread alone that are cracking over 400, 450 is nothing, 600 deads is nothing, 500 squats is also notihng, hgh school numbrs gentlemen. :-*
No shit, who are these people and why are they on a bodybuilding website? Arnold had a huge upper body with solid density, and he paid his dues lifting heavy for years. 450- 500? no doubts he could.
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no you retard 400 is nothing 600 would be great. You should know that every gym has a dozen guys doing 400 and probably only 1 or 2 doing over 450 so ya big differance you idiot....think about it like this.. thousands can run 10.6 100m, but only a few can run 10.0 100m, obviously this wouldn't be logical to you since you haven't experianced these numbers before
You said between 450 and 500, the former is nothing according to you, you little fucking weasel you said it, your stupid statement.
I would destroy you in any athletic pursuit and i'm natural.
You go back to worshipping the walking pharmacy that was Arnold.
As to everyone speculating what Arnold could lift based on his size i laugh, little Franco had him on every lift, it has jack to do with size.
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You said between 450 and 500, the former is nothing according to you, you little fucking weasel you said it, your stupid statement.
I would destroy you in any athletic pursuit and i'm natural.
You go back to worshipping the walking pharmacy that was Arnold.
As to everyone speculating what Arnold could lift based on his size i laugh, little Franco had him on every lift, it has jack to do with size.
Athletic pursuit, I think you logged in to the wrong forum, this is a BODYBUILDING forum.
A couple facts here,....you need anger management.............y ou can't bench more then 225......since you issued a challnge I can deadlift 500 for 10 reps on my worst day :P
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Athletic pursuit, I think you logged in to the wrong forum, this is a BODYBUILDING forum.
A couple facts here,....you need anger management.............y ou can't bench more then 225......since you issued a challnge I can deadlift 500 for 10 reps on my worst day :P
Lifting fits in, of course i can also run five yards without collapsing, which would probably be a problem for you.
As i said anything.
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Lifting fits in, of course i can also run five yards without collapsing, which would probably be a problem for you.
As i said anything.
funny cause nov 2008 I competed in the heavyweight division at 5'9 and in may 2009 I ran a marathon
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funny cause nov 2008 I competed in the heavyweight division at 5'9 and in may 2009 I ran a marathon
It's the time brother not the participating.
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It's not hard to get a 55" chest, lots of amateurs have 55 +.