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Title: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on May 29, 2008, 09:06:26 PM
You have a question you've wanted to ask getbig's own disgusted?

This thread will allow you to ask him questions without getting flamed.

Not sure what he's willing to answer or how far he's willing to go, but this will be his thread for Q&A and discussion.


Disgusted, also feel free to share any stories or experiences you have had, funny or serious, we're listening.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on May 29, 2008, 09:17:35 PM
Thanks. I am sure there are plenty of guys on here with just as much knowledge and more so I feel honered. I will do my best to answer questions as honest as possible.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on May 29, 2008, 10:15:48 PM
Disgusted,

How much would could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on May 29, 2008, 10:55:01 PM
Disgusted,

How much would could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?

I used to admire woodchucks. In fact, after getting to know a few I started to look up to them and they finally trusted me enough to let me know that  none of them chuck their own wood any more, they actually contract the work out. Needless to say I felt very betrayed and ended my relationship with them pronto.  >:(


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on May 30, 2008, 01:04:13 AM
I used to admire woodchucks. In fact, after getting to know a few I started to look up to them and they finally trusted me enough to let me know that  none of them chuck their own wood any more, they actually contract the work out. Needless to say I felt very betrayed and ended my relationship with them pronto.  >:(

Money hungry bastards.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on May 30, 2008, 01:06:20 AM
Ok a real question............

What do you think the best offseason stragety is? To get fat as Trey Brewer and put on 5-8lbs of quality muscle and get fat as a junior high school secretary or................ Stay lean within 10-15lbs of your contest bw and only put on 3-5 pounds of quality muscle??? Now both of these scenarios might not be optimal, and if neither are, what is?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on May 30, 2008, 07:56:36 AM
Ok a real question............

What do you think the best offseason stragety is? To get fat as Trey Brewer and put on 5-8lbs of quality muscle and get fat as a junior high school secretary or................ Stay lean within 10-15lbs of your contest bw and only put on 3-5 pounds of quality muscle??? Now both of these scenarios might not be optimal, and if neither are, what is?


Well, yor assuming that you can put on more muscle by getting fat. 5-8 pounds vs 3-5. There is NO good reason to ever put on more than a little fat after your show. It's not so much how much you weigh as opposed to how you look. My rule of thumb is to still be able to see your abs to a certain degree, decent separation, unless genetic not so many striations. Unfortunatley most guys do not do this and end up having to lose weigh  ;D too much fat for a show thus making it that much harder to get into contest shape.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on May 30, 2008, 10:55:18 AM
Disgusted, I'm not sure if everyone else knows, but I don't, why don't you give us a little bit of info on your background. Education, experience, people you've trained(if you can), etc?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: michael arvilla on May 30, 2008, 10:59:07 AM
Wife won't give me any fellacio, any tips on how to help this happen ?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Zwier on May 30, 2008, 12:01:48 PM
I like to hear you vieuw on the subject of keeping gains after a cycle.

I read lot of your post and like your honest vieuw, I know you don't think its possible.

Can you explain why and what your vieuw how someone can progress past there natural limit whitout doing crazy things.

From your vieuw if someone is at his natural max, using a cycle 1 time a year for 8 week will not make him progress if he does the same cycle year in year out ? He will go back to his natural max time after time ?






Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on May 30, 2008, 01:43:04 PM
disgusted

is there any benefit from mega dosing ?

like.... okay...lets say a guy with 250 lean pounds of muscle... that guy probably needs a total of 5-7 grams of total hormones and hormone derivatives just to grow . (of course this is just like an average )...     okay now what if a guy with only 200 lbs of lean muscle, who only needs 1-3 grams total product in order to grow... what if he took the 5-7 total ??/   would this shoot him up to that 250 mark, or no ?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on May 30, 2008, 03:24:22 PM
Very true, i was wrong to assume that. But i would only hope that you would be able to put on more muscle if your putting on 70lbs in an offseason like LunchTrey did :)

So what your telling me is that its better to stay lean in the offseason while gaining size so you dont have to diet your ass off and suffer to diet down for a contest?


Well, yor assuming that you can put on more muscle by getting fat. 5-8 pounds vs 3-5. There is NO good reason to ever put on more than a little fat after your show. It's not so much how much you weigh as opposed to how you look. My rule of thumb is to still be able to see your abs to a certain degree, decent separation, unless genetic not so many striations. Unfortunatley most guys do not do this and end up having to lose weigh  ;D too much fat for a show thus making it that much harder to get into contest shape.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on May 30, 2008, 03:54:46 PM
Disgusted, I'm not sure if everyone else knows, but I don't, why don't you give us a little bit of info on your background. Education, experience, people you've trained(if you can), etc?

Well, I think most guys on here know that I have helped King and I have also mentioned and posted pics of my wife. Quite a few others over the years. I am most known for I guess for getting guys and gals ripped. I have taken more than a few guys who have never entered shows before and have them won either the overall or their weight class based on mostly conditioning. Far as education goes I finished highschool but was forced to.  ;D  I entered my first show when I was 18, trained myself and my last in 1991.

I love to read and still will go to a book store and read for an hour or two a few times a month. Read tons of books including health, medical journals ect. I will also read fiction when I get the time. I am mostly self taught but I also will put my theories to the test. Haven't always been right but have been most of the time thank God. All of the people that I have ever trained have been refferals or people whoo have come to me because they have seen someone at a show that I have trained. I am retiring after this year at least for a year or to. Been doing this for bout 25 years so I need a break. That about covers it I think unless anyone else has a question.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on May 30, 2008, 03:58:12 PM
Wife won't give me any fellacio, any tips on how to help this happen ?

You need to take a shower first.  ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on May 30, 2008, 04:03:04 PM
I like to hear you vieuw on the subject of keeping gains after a cycle.

Reg pct either HCG and or clomid.

I read lot of your post and like your honest vieuw, I know you don't think its possible.

Can you explain why and what your vieuw how someone can progress past there natural limit whitout doing crazy things.

Progressing past your natural limt would mean you have to do unatural things. The bigger you want to get the "crazier" things you have to do.

From your vieuw if someone is at his natural max, using a cycle 1 time a year for 8 week will not make him progress if he does the same cycle year in year out ? He will go back to his natural max time after time ?

If you do a cycle once a year then you will only be "big" for as long as the benefit of the drugs last which is different for everyone. Maybe a few weeks to months depending on how much you do. PCT can slightly prolong these gains.






Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on May 30, 2008, 04:14:13 PM
disgusted

is there any benefit from mega dosing ?

like.... okay...lets say a guy with 250 lean pounds of muscle... that guy probably needs a total of 5-7 grams of total hormones and hormone derivatives just to grow . (of course this is just like an average )...     okay now what if a guy with only 200 lbs of lean muscle, who only needs 1-3 grams total product in order to grow... what if he took the 5-7 total ??/   would this shoot him up to that 250 mark, or no ?

I think that it is a lot simpler than that. IMO a person should only do as much as they need to do to grow. If someone is taking 500mg per week then they generally will have to take more to get bigger assuming that their diet and training are optimal. IMO go from 500mg to say 800mg and see how that goes for a few weeks.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on May 30, 2008, 04:15:35 PM
Very true, i was wrong to assume that. But i would only hope that you would be able to put on more muscle if your putting on 70lbs in an offseason like LunchTrey did :)

So what your telling me is that its better to stay lean in the offseason while gaining size so you dont have to diet your ass off and suffer to diet down for a contest?


Hoping won't work. ;D   It is 70 pounds of uneeded fat.  ;D  Your second statement is correct.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on May 30, 2008, 06:21:47 PM
Well, I think most guys on here know that I have helped King and I have also mentioned and posted pics of my wife. Quite a few others over the years. I am most known for I guess for getting guys and gals ripped. I have taken more than a few guys who have never entered shows before and have them won either the overall or their weight class based on mostly conditioning. Far as education goes I finished highschool but was forced to.  ;D  I entered my first show when I was 18, trained myself and my last in 1991.

I love to read and still will go to a book store and read for an hour or two a few times a month. Read tons of books including health, medical journals ect. I will also read fiction when I get the time. I am mostly self taught but I also will put my theories to the test. Haven't always been right but have been most of the time thank God. All of the people that I have ever trained have been refferals or people whoo have come to me because they have seen someone at a show that I have trained. I am retiring after this year at least for a year or to. Been doing this for bout 25 years so I need a break. That about covers it I think unless anyone else has a question.

A self taught man, I like it, real world experience speaks volumes.


What is your opinion, in general, about natural limit vs height? Let's say the natural limit for someone 5'10" is how many lbs? And so on, could you give us a break down on what you feel is a limit for different heights?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on May 30, 2008, 06:39:33 PM
A self taught man, I like it, real world experience speaks volumes.


What is your opinion, in general, about natural limit vs height? Let's say the natural limit for someone 5'10" is how many lbs? And so on, could you give us a break down on what you feel is a limit for different heights?

Well, 5 10 about 190 on stage and that is pretty good. For every inch about 10 pounds or so.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on May 30, 2008, 06:56:34 PM
So 5'8 170 would be good :)



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on May 30, 2008, 06:56:45 PM
Well, 5 10 about 190 on stage and that is pretty good. For every inch about 10 pounds or so.
So me being 6'2", my natural competitive limit could be somewhere around 230? Interesting, most "pros" at that height are up around 300lbs........70lbs from using "supplements"?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on May 30, 2008, 07:27:23 PM
So me being 6'2", my natural competitive limit could be somewhere around 230? Interesting, most "pros" at that height are up around 300lbs........70lbs from using "supplements"?

Do you happen to know what Flex weighed at the USA in 93 and how tall he is?  Remember, natural I will assume is no hormones ever, even legal ones!!!!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on May 30, 2008, 08:04:25 PM
Flex, '93, USA's, doesn't ring a bell, what did he weigh?

Was he natural in that contest?

So 5'8 170 would be good :)


Doing the math, I think he's saying that is close to max potential, for a natural, I'm sure there are exceptions both ways(heavier,lighter).


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on May 30, 2008, 09:09:35 PM
Flex, '93, USA's, doesn't ring a bell, what did he weigh?

Was he natural in that contest?
Doing the math, I think he's saying that is close to max potential, for a natural, I'm sure there are exceptions both ways(heavier,lighter).


No, he turned pro at that show and if I remember correctly he was 212 on stage.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Rampage on May 31, 2008, 01:37:39 PM
i have a few Qs for Disgusted actually

I Would like to know....im trying to shed Bodyfat and build at the same time.Ive decided to do the whole cardio thing immediately after the workout after the workout

1)How much of cardio , and IYHO whats the best in term of intensity level

2) When should i drink my MRP ? After the wkout or after the cardio ???


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Rampage on May 31, 2008, 01:41:29 PM
Also , whats your opinion on the Surge Nubret method of training?

That being moderate weights for high reps(about 20 - 25) and high sets (40 sets) with minimal rest in between...he says with this type of training you dont need cardio

Apparently TomPlatz used to do 40 -50 rep squats

whats your opinion on the high reps vs Heavy with low reps ??


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on May 31, 2008, 06:16:57 PM
i have a few Qs for Disgusted actually

I Would like to know....im trying to shed Bodyfat and build at the same time.Ive decided to do the whole cardio thing immediately after the workout after the workout

1)How much of cardio , and IYHO whats the best in term of intensity level

2) When should i drink my MRP ? After the wkout or after the cardio ???

How much depends on your level of BF although I would not go much more than 45 min generally and let diet do the rest. Rule of thumb as far as intensity for burning bf, if your not able to hold a conversation because you are breathing too hard then slow down.

MRP's I would drink after you leave the gym.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on May 31, 2008, 06:21:28 PM
Also , whats your opinion on the Surge Nubret method of training?

That being moderate weights for high reps(about 20 - 25) and high sets (40 sets) with minimal rest in between...he says with this type of training you dont need cardio

Apparently TomPlatz used to do 40 -50 rep squats

whats your opinion on the high reps vs Heavy with low reps ??

I did it for a while not too long ago and have done similar workouts thru out my career (career? lol) and have made great gains. Now, when it is said that you do not need to do cardio I would agree with that, but remember that if you are just waaaay too fat then take it slow and rely on your diet for the long haul.

Too many guys are taking so much stuff that they are getting too strong for their own good. I can name plenty of top guys who's careers have ended due to injury but I know that I do not have to since most here know of a few themselves. Serge has been are for a long time and it is no cooincidence.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: michael arvilla on May 31, 2008, 06:34:07 PM
Jim what do you think about Kegel Exercises and how can i incorporate them into my routine?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on May 31, 2008, 07:06:38 PM
Jim what do you think about Kegel Exercises and how can i incorporate them into my routine?

Very dangerous! I had a friend (emphasis had) how got a cramp in his taint while dong them. He will be missed.  :'(


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on May 31, 2008, 10:33:53 PM
Disgusted dont you have some pictures of some guys that youve trained? Like before and afters for everyone to see how great of a job that you do?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: WillGrant on May 31, 2008, 11:32:05 PM
Great idea for a thread Chaos..

Jim/Disgusted.

What do you know of lipex?
My Doctor has prescribed it to me as Im keen to stay on a dose of 250mg Of test for the rest of my life whilst going on bigger doses 2-3 times a year,My cholesterol is not out of whack but he says its a precaution more than anything..
One of the "potential" sides is muscle breakdown/wastage..this happens to a minority of people.

In your experience do you know of in the real world how the use of statins effects muscle gains?
Im sure alot of the pros would be on these drugs along with blood pressure meds more to help keep sides from high doses of hormones at bay..

Your thoughts please   :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Alex23 on June 01, 2008, 01:22:12 PM
Disgusted, what do you do outside of bodybuilding, career etc?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Rampage on June 01, 2008, 03:31:53 PM
I did it for a while not too long ago and have done similar workouts thru out my career (career? lol) and have made great gains. Now, when it is said that you do not need to do cardio I would agree with that, but remember that if you are just waaaay too fat then take it slow and rely on your diet for the long haul.

Too many guys are taking so much stuff that they are getting too strong for their own good. I can name plenty of top guys who's careers have ended due to injury but I know that I do not have to since most here know of a few themselves. Serge has been are for a long time and it is no cooincidence.

Interesting...

Would like to ask what would you recommend for a workout of CHest for example using Nubrets method , in terms of sets and exercises

(I would think 40 sets is a bit much, is it? also how many  type of different exercises would you have to do) You get what im asking right ?

thanks chaos and Disgusted


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 01, 2008, 07:43:39 PM
Disgusted dont you have some pictures of some guys that youve trained? Like before and afters for everyone to see how great of a job that you do?


Somewhere, I will try and dig some up.  :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 01, 2008, 07:47:44 PM
Great idea for a thread Chaos..

Jim/Disgusted.

What do you know of lipex?
My Doctor has prescribed it to me as Im keen to stay on a dose of 250mg Of test for the rest of my life whilst going on bigger doses 2-3 times a year,My cholesterol is not out of whack but he says its a precaution more than anything..
One of the "potential" sides is muscle breakdown/wastage..this happens to a minority of people.

In your experience do you know of in the real world how the use of statins effects muscle gains?
Im sure alot of the pros would be on these drugs along with blood pressure meds more to help keep sides from high doses of hormones at bay..

Your thoughts please   :)


I have a very strong opinion about statins soooo this is only my opinion and I am not suggesting that you in any way construe this as medical advise. IMO stain drugs are deadly and have NOOOOOOOO use in humans. The muscle wasting I have seen in MANY people and it can be deadly and they are very hard on the liver MUCH more than steroids can ever be. I would NEVER take them no matter what.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 01, 2008, 07:53:03 PM
Interesting...

Would like to ask what would you recommend for a workout of CHest for example using Nubrets method , in terms of sets and exercises

(I would think 40 sets is a bit much, is it? also how many  type of different exercises would you have to do) You get what im asking right ?

thanks chaos and Disgusted


Say 4 exercises of 6 sets each. Since you will not be using that heavy of a weight just do a warm up or two. Then try and find that "right" weight for the exercise and the tempo that you wll be using. Rest maybe bout a minute. You may have to lighten up a bit as people tend to start with too heavy of a weight at first. I have used inclie DB press, seated machine press, cable cross and maybe flat flys, your preference.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 01, 2008, 07:53:42 PM

Say 4 exercises of 6 sets each. Since you will not be using that heavy of a weight just do a warm up or two. Then try and find that "right" weight for the exercise and the tempo that you wll be using. Rest maybe bout a minute. You may have to lighten up a bit as people tend to start with too heavy of a weight at first. I have used incline DB press, seated machine press, cable cross and maybe flat flys, your preference.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: WillGrant on June 01, 2008, 08:00:28 PM

I have a very strong opinion about statins soooo this is only my opinion and I am not suggesting that you in any way construe this as medical advise. IMO stain drugs are deadly and have NOOOOOOOO use in humans. The muscle wasting I have seen in MANY people and it can be deadly and they are very hard on the liver MUCH more than steroids can ever be. I would NEVER take them no matter what.
Cheers bro , I understand where you are comming from and I  respect your advice hence the question.

In your opinion are there more healthy options out there to help support a healthy lipid profile?
Theres diet and exercise which I do but are there any other things I can add?I take fish oils and Sesamin ,is there anything else I can add?

Like I said my lipids arnt out of whack , but the Dr knows I cycle and stay on a cruise dose of 250mg test e a week when off so he is thinking "prevention is better than cure" I guess


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 02, 2008, 09:24:43 AM
Cheers bro , I understand where you are comming from and I  respect your advice hence the question.

In your opinion are there more healthy options out there to help support a healthy lipid profile?
Theres diet and exercise which I do but are there any other things I can add?I take fish oils and Sesamin ,is there anything else I can add?

Like I said my lipids arnt out of whack , but the Dr knows I cycle and stay on a cruise dose of 250mg test e a week when off so he is thinking "prevention is better than cure" I guess

Well, statins prevent nothing and cause a multitude of problems. Anyway, this is just one book out there that can teach you a lot about how to stay healthy and understand more about cholesterol. If you are serious order this book.  :)


http://www.amazon.com/Animals-Attacks-People-Fourth-Revised/dp/0967954681/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212427366&sr=8-1


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 02, 2008, 09:26:31 AM
Another very informative book. Plaese don't let t he title confuse you. They are research Dr's and there is plenty of info on cholesterol in this book. Awesome reading.

http://www.amazon.com/Protein-Power-High-Protein-Low-Carbohydrate-Health/dp/0553380788/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212427501&sr=1-1


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 02, 2008, 09:37:40 AM
disgusted what do you think is best stack for mass

using

test
tren
deca
eq
dbol
anadrol




Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 02, 2008, 09:39:08 AM
disgusted what do you think is best stack for mass

using

test
tren
deca
eq
dbol
anadrol




Give me a little more info. R u using all of this at once?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 02, 2008, 09:42:52 AM
wel if thats what you think is going to be best then sure, all at once.

lol

im just asking with those compounds because those are the ones most easily attainable and the ones most commonly refered to as mass builders


like gh15 says " test + deca + dbol "

what would your stack be?

im interested in tren cause alot of guys swear by it and call it king of aas


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 02, 2008, 09:58:10 AM
wel if thats what you think is going to be best then sure, all at once.

lol

im just asking with those compounds because those are the ones most easily attainable and the ones most commonly refered to as mass builders


like gh15 says " test + deca + dbol "

what would your stack be?

im interested in tren cause alot of guys swear by it and call it king of aas

Prob the most muscle out there was built on test deca dbol. That is a very good stack. Be careful with tren. As far as I am concerned there is no use for it if you are not competing. I personally know a couple of guys who used a lot of it and have had kidney problems.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 02, 2008, 11:26:46 AM
Prob the most muscle out there was built on test deca dbol. That is a very good stack. Be careful with tren. As far as I am concerned there is no use for it if you are not competing. I personally know a couple of guys who used a lot of it and have had kidney problems.
If you are competing then what is its use?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 02, 2008, 11:43:52 AM
Disgusted,

Blondes or Brunettes?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Rampage on June 02, 2008, 03:49:42 PM

Say 4 exercises of 6 sets each. Since you will not be using that heavy of a weight just do a warm up or two. Then try and find that "right" weight for the exercise and the tempo that you wll be using. Rest maybe bout a minute. You may have to lighten up a bit as people tend to start with too heavy of a weight at first. I have used inclie DB press, seated machine press, cable cross and maybe flat flys, your preference.

Btw , will the weights for each set remain constant or does 1 have to increase the weight slightly for each set


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 02, 2008, 04:34:26 PM
Disgusted,

Blondes or Brunettes?

Well, in my earlier years it was mainly blondes. As I got older it was brunettes. Why, I have no idea. Rule of thumb, if you want to know if a blonde is really good looking then picture her with black hair. If she still looks good then she is truley pretty and not just stunning because of a bleach job.  ;)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 02, 2008, 04:37:14 PM
If you are competing then what is its use?


A lot of guys like it because of the strength gains especially when dieting hard. General rule is that it is twice as strong as test. Say, 500mg of tren = 1000mg of test, but if one were to take 4 grams of test a week I sure as hell wouldn't do 2 grams of tren per week. If  competing I would then add it around 6 weeks out and personally go 75 mg 3 times per week or EOD would be all I would do. Also if using tren enanthate or Trenobolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate (Parabolin) I would go about 200mg Mon and Thur.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 02, 2008, 04:40:11 PM
Btw , will the weights for each set remain constant or does 1 have to increase the weight slightly for each set


That is a good question. Sometimes I leave the weight the same and other times I may be feeling stronger so I kinda play it by ear. This is called the Weider Instinctive Principle.  ;D  You also may find that with certain exercises you prefer to leave the weight the same or add some with each or maybe one or two sets.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 02, 2008, 04:43:22 PM
you think its twice as powerful as testosterone for putting on muscle ?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 02, 2008, 04:47:17 PM
you think its twice as powerful as testosterone for putting on muscle ?

Hmmm, personally no, but some guys love it and will tell you it is, but how many of these guys are you just tren alone? Not many I would assume so how would they ever no. Don't get me wrong, a lot of guys use it in the offseason, but I see no reason to. There are too many other compunds that will put a lot of size on you.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 02, 2008, 10:05:08 PM
Disgusted,

what do u think the reason for this new offseason look that phil heath is sporting. Bloated, small, and semi fat.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=217509.0


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: WillGrant on June 03, 2008, 01:15:14 AM
Thanks for those links bro  :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 03, 2008, 06:09:34 AM
Disgusted,

what do u think the reason for this new offseason look that phil heath is sporting. Bloated, small, and semi fat.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=217509.0


Vanbilder made a comment in another post about him and I agree, low androgens, but slin and GH. Seems to be the new fad.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 03, 2008, 10:23:42 AM

Vanbilder made a comment in another post about him and I agree, low androgens, but slin and GH. Seems to be the new fad.

wow, and thats the future of bodybuilding............ how sad


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Bobby on June 05, 2008, 09:20:45 AM
Disgusted:

What do you think is the best contest prep?
'regular' or keto diet? really low calories, just 500 below, or maintenance? with or without cardio and how much etc etc


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Alex23 on June 05, 2008, 09:23:10 AM
wow, and thats the future of bodybuilding............ how sad

How is this bad?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 05, 2008, 10:12:28 AM
How is this bad?

well to me ever since insulin has been introduced into bodybuilding the physiques have looked worse and worse and the conditioning keeps getting shittier and shittier.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 05, 2008, 10:28:30 AM
i dont think its insulin....   people always attribute distended abdomens to insulin and palumboism to insulin but to me that mase zero sense... what does insulin do in the body thats going to cause those things?     


in fact i wonder why insulin even works at all... "the most anabolic hormone in the human body "..but its not directly anabolic to muscel tissue is just storage hormone...

idk...

if disgusted you know what the mechanisms of action for insulin are please fill me in

as for the ruined pro physqiues i personally think its just overall AAS / gh  mega dosing and guys letting estrogen build muscles


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 05, 2008, 05:35:14 PM
i dont think its insulin....   people always attribute distended abdomens to insulin and palumboism to insulin but to me that mase zero sense... what does insulin do in the body thats going to cause those things?     


in fact i wonder why insulin even works at all... "the most anabolic hormone in the human body "..but its not directly anabolic to muscel tissue is just storage hormone...

idk...

if disgusted you know what the mechanisms of action for insulin are please fill me in

as for the ruined pro physqiues i personally think its just overall AAS / gh  mega dosing and guys letting estrogen build muscles

Disgusted has said many times that he thinks visceral fat buildup is the cause. Due to exogenous insulin.

Me I'd like to see some scans of some of these pregnant pros to see what's really going on.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Alex23 on June 05, 2008, 06:20:08 PM
Disgusted has said many times that he thinks visceral fat buildup is the cause. Due to exogenous insulin.

Me I'd like to see some scans of some of these pregnant pros to see what's really going on.

We can go a step further and also assume it creates "marbled fat" within the muscle bellies, hence the "no rip" look...


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on June 05, 2008, 06:25:16 PM
We can go a step further and also assume it creates "marbled fat" within the muscle bellies, hence the "no rip" look...
LOL, explain "marbled fat", I have never heard that expression.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 05, 2008, 06:51:29 PM
We can go a step further and also assume it creates "marbled fat" within the muscle bellies, hence the "no rip" look...
Sure. Don't know either way.

LOL, explain "marbled fat", I have never heard that expression.

Not all steaks are as lean.  :D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 05, 2008, 07:47:15 PM
We can go a step further and also assume it creates "marbled fat" within the muscle bellies, hence the "no rip" look...

u might be onto something there. But increased intramuscular fat storage could be a reason for that flat TOTALLY NOT RIPPED look.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 05, 2008, 07:50:05 PM
i think its guys who bulk up with the aromatase inhibtors runnning high dose test that makes the muscles less cut and more shapeless... thats what estrogen muscle looks like...


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 05, 2008, 08:02:23 PM
i think its guys who bulk up with the aromatase inhibtors runnning high dose test that makes the muscles less cut and more shapeless... thats what estrogen muscle looks like...
nope dont think that has anything to do with it. Sorry Canidatedizzle.

Guys have been running high doses of test for decades and just in the past 10 years or so have been less ripped.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 05, 2008, 08:07:28 PM
uuuummm it wasnt untill the mid 80's when guys really started running testosterone; before then it was considered a dirty soviet union drug... 


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on June 05, 2008, 08:11:52 PM
uuuummm it wasnt untill the mid 80's when guys really started running testosterone; before then it was considered a dirty soviet union drug... 
mid 80's is over 20 years ago = decades.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 05, 2008, 08:14:11 PM
uuuummm it wasnt untill the mid 80's when guys really started running testosterone; before then it was considered a dirty soviet union drug... 

ok so lets say that and thats all good. Well the 80 was about 28 years ago, which would make that about 3 DECADES!!!


Good try, but once again. YOUR WRONG!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 05, 2008, 08:16:37 PM
lol okay sweet deal flex and chaos i didnt know i was talking to two AAS experts here..  ;D... but anyways hey you want to argue with me about this start a thread on the g&o (if you just want to hate and argue) or on the steroid board (if you actually think you know about AAS)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on June 05, 2008, 08:20:19 PM
lol okay sweet deal flex and chaos i didnt know i was talking to two AAS experts here..  ;D... but anyways hey you want to argue with me about this start a thread on the g&o (if you just want to hate and argue) or on the steroid board (if you actually think you know about AAS)
Not hating, candi, but your rebuttal to flex's post was to mention that test wasn't ru in high dosages until the mid 80's, because flex said it had been decades.


I don't know what cuases the guts, but I know back in the day of the wasp waist, bbers seemed to take the off season "off" and these days they seem to up the dose.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 05, 2008, 08:22:18 PM
yeah i agree i tend to think distended abdomens are from overall high doseages .. not really one compound over any other...   


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 05, 2008, 08:25:39 PM
Not hating, candi, but your rebuttal to flex's post was to mention that test wasn't ru in high dosages until the mid 80's, because flex said it had been decades.


I don't know what cuases the guts, but I know back in the day of the wasp waist, bbers seemed to take the off season "off" and these days they seem to up the dose.

Well I think its for a multitude of reasons but here are the main two factors in my opinion.

1. INSULIN! plain and simple, and it being used ALL year long.
2. The enormous amounts of food that pros eat nowadays, its rediculous, most of it isnt even used by the body id imagine, because of the mass amounts that they eat. When your eating thousands upon thousands of calories a day your going to get a big ass distended stomach.

Just two of the reasons, but my top 2.

Hopefully disgusted can join this conversation and add to what we've already speculated on.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 05, 2008, 08:27:03 PM
flex why do you think insulin is the culprit


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 05, 2008, 08:54:32 PM
flex why do you think insulin is the culprit

well because insulin is a "storage hormone" so it doesnt care what it stores, amino acids, glucose, or FAT.

Thats how its easy to become fat on insulin. You keep taking insulin over time and you keep storing more and more fat, causing the fat to increase under your abdominal wall on your internal organs, pushing them into the abs causing them to look bloated and distended.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 08, 2008, 09:22:38 AM
ok disgusted,

is this bullshit or not. Does the stepmill get your legs more shredded and bring in your glutes and hamstrings better than just doing cardio on a treadmill or bike???

Speak on this!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 08, 2008, 07:12:59 PM
ok disgusted,

is this bullshit or not. Does the stepmill get your legs more shredded and bring in your glutes and hamstrings better than just doing cardio on a treadmill or bike???

Speak on this!

Short answer, no.  ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 08, 2008, 08:06:47 PM
Short answer, no.  ;D

yea, there are a ton of delusional bodybuilders out there.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: PANDAEMONIUM on June 08, 2008, 10:35:08 PM
Question:
This is serious and not a joke:
I might be going to jail.
What is a simple or complex cycle (that you have heard works)
That will keep me me big and lean before I go to the big house.
Cycle advice
What muscles do I need to work (not my ass muscles) to survive and stay strong.

This is a serious post and just need advice

Don't gay up this board with your gimmick bullshit.  Take that to the G&O.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: steveeray on June 08, 2008, 10:39:05 PM
Don't gay up this board with your gimmick bullshit.  Take that to the G&O.

I'm serious. I'm not jokeing. I'm going to jail because I didnt narc.
I think I deserve some respect or at least advice.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: thelamefalsehood on June 14, 2008, 08:58:57 AM
Disgusted, what is your take on using peptides to speed recovery of injuries? I tore my left bicep distal tendon about 11 weeks ago and I am 10 1/2 weeks post operation right now. I stacked IGF for 6 weeks and GH for 4 weeks along with the nutritional supplement cissus throughout. My Doc said I healed about 3-4 weeks ahead of schedule. I want to think it was the peptides, but who really knows. Do you know of any pros or guys that have used these in the past, post surgery? Thanks man


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 15, 2008, 05:56:12 PM
Disgusted, what is your take on using peptides to speed recovery of injuries? I tore my left bicep distal tendon about 11 weeks ago and I am 10 1/2 weeks post operation right now. I stacked IGF for 6 weeks and GH for 4 weeks along with the nutritional supplement cissus throughout. My Doc said I healed about 3-4 weeks ahead of schedule. I want to think it was the peptides, but who really knows. Do you know of any pros or guys that have used these in the past, post surgery? Thanks man


Are you referring to GH peptides?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: thelamefalsehood on June 15, 2008, 07:59:16 PM

Are you referring to GH peptides?


No man, I reread what I wrote and see how you took it. I did Pharmaceutical Grade American GH for 4 weeks, starting about 2 weeks after the surgery and the IGF was used at the same time as the GH, and then an addition 2 weeks after that. Thanks man


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 16, 2008, 10:22:15 AM

No man, I reread what I wrote and see how you took it. I did Pharmaceutical Grade American GH for 4 weeks, starting about 2 weeks after the surgery and the IGF was used at the same time as the GH, and then an addition 2 weeks after that. Thanks man

Yes they wil have an effect. A friend of mine did the same exact thing as you, but don't put any under stress on that tendon before your Dr says you can. Even though it may seem to be healing ahead of schedule, the actual adhesion to the bone takes time. You can tear it off the bone again if you start too soon. Your main goal when you start therapy is to make sure that you get full range of motion back.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: thelamefalsehood on June 16, 2008, 04:09:08 PM
Yes they wil have an effect. A friend of mine did the same exact thing as you, but don't put any under stress on that tendon before your Dr says you can. Even though it may seem to be healing ahead of schedule, the actual adhesion to the bone takes time. You can tear it off the bone again if you start too soon. Your main goal when you start therapy is to make sure that you get full range of motion back.

Cool man. Yeah, I had full range of motion about 5 weeks after surgery. Not doing anything heavy at all, up to curling 20 pound dumbells for that arm. It feals damn good though, so I'm holding myself back just in case. Thanks again


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Bluto on June 17, 2008, 03:33:38 PM
disgusted,

at one of the gyms i visit there's a man that screams and shout all the time, no matter what exercise or if it's the first rep or the last.

why is that?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 18, 2008, 10:58:27 AM
disgusted,

at one of the gyms i visit there's a man that screams and shout all the time, no matter what exercise or if it's the first rep or the last.

why is that?

He most likley is hitting on you, so go for it.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Bluto on June 18, 2008, 11:40:33 AM
Wasn't much of an answer, you sure you're an expert?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on June 18, 2008, 12:21:02 PM
do you recomend t3 while cutting with a keto diet. if so would you keep taking the same amount throughout the prep or slowly increase to dose?

of the 2 approaches which do you believe works best - tkd or ckd?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 18, 2008, 02:40:35 PM
do you recomend t3 while cutting with a keto diet. if so would you keep taking the same amount throughout the prep or slowly increase to dose?

of the 2 approaches which do you believe works best - tkd or ckd?

what else would u be using?? Just using t3 on a contest diet is going to eat up a bunch of muscle. IMHO


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on June 18, 2008, 05:19:05 PM
what else would u be using?? Just using t3 on a contest diet is going to eat up a bunch of muscle. IMHO

winny 30mg ed, 30mg dbol 30 mins before w/o.

ephedrine+cafeine

using up stuff i have.

tried t3 before and it stopped fat loss ???

i was losing weight on diet, then added t3 and it stopped  ???

same thing happened when i added dnp in the past too. i have weird body chemistry. :D

i wasn't clued up on the benefits of low carb then. i am now and am just wondering how t3 would effect me of low carb.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 18, 2008, 05:22:26 PM
do you recomend t3 while cutting with a keto diet. if so would you keep taking the same amount throughout the prep or slowly increase to dose?

of the 2 approaches which do you believe works best - tkd or ckd?

I generally don't recommend T3 at all wether on a keto diet or not. If so, I would have to evaluate a person based on how one is responding to diet over a 30 day period. Then I most likely favor desiccated thyroid over T3 anyway.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 18, 2008, 05:24:08 PM
why dont u reccomend T3 Jim?

Is it because it eats up muscle, like a flaming homosexual eats penis?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 18, 2008, 05:35:31 PM
why dont u reccomend T3 Jim?

Is it because it eats up muscle, like a flaming homosexual eats penis?

It doesn't necessarily eat muscle at a low dose, I just think that too many guys can't diet so they rely on fat burners and T3 unnecessarily.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 18, 2008, 05:38:38 PM
so what ur saying is.......that most guys are lazy and what to eat a bunch of junk instead of just using good ol fashioned diet and cardio???

Also what are the negatives of using T3??


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 18, 2008, 05:44:33 PM
so what ur saying is.......that most guys are lazy and what to eat a bunch of junk instead of just using good ol fashioned diet and cardio???

Also what are the negatives of using T3??

Pretty much. Losing muscle mass by using too high a dose. Also, there can be heart related sides too, again usually it is dose related.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 18, 2008, 06:01:02 PM
 whats dessicated thyorid, how does it work..... and cant you prohibit t3 from eating muscle by eating enough protein ?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on June 18, 2008, 06:45:39 PM
I generally don't recommend T3 at all wether on a keto diet or not. If so, I would have to evaluate a person based on how one is responding to diet over a 30 day period. Then I most likely favor desiccated thyroid over T3 anyway.
interesting, just wanted your thoughts on it. 8)
thanks.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 19, 2008, 05:04:03 PM
whats dessicated thyorid, how does it work..... and cant you prohibit t3 from eating muscle by eating enough protein ?

You can look up Armour thyroid also. It comes from pigs and is the correct ratio of t3 and t4 for humans. Since eating too much protein does not mean that your body will use it for muscle building this does not correct the overuse of T3.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: the_doc on June 22, 2008, 09:21:43 AM

I have a very strong opinion about statins soooo this is only my opinion and I am not suggesting that you in any way construe this as medical advise. IMO stain drugs are deadly and have NOOOOOOOO use in humans. The muscle wasting I have seen in MANY people and it can be deadly and they are very hard on the liver MUCH more than steroids can ever be. I would NEVER take them no matter what.

Sorry disgusted, you must be exagerating there. I'm not advocating BB's take statins "just in case" but they are a very usefull drug for many people. Rhabdomyalisis(muscle breakdown) and elevated liver enzymes are well documented side effects but very rare and you haven't seen them in many people and they are not harder on the liver than steroids. I think you give out lots of good advice on here and I generally like you're style but i couldn't let such a false exageration go unchecked.

Otherwise great thread,

regards,
the Doc :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 22, 2008, 06:48:14 PM
Sorry disgusted, you must be exagerating there. I'm not advocating BB's take statins "just in case" but they are a very usefull drug for many people. Rhabdomyalisis(muscle breakdown) and elevated liver enzymes are well documented side effects but very rare and you haven't seen them in many people and they are not harder on the liver than steroids. I think you give out lots of good advice on here and I generally like you're style but i couldn't let such a false exageration go unchecked.

Otherwise great thread,

regards,
the Doc :)

"and elevated liver enzymes are well documented side effects but very rare and you haven't seen them in many people"

I happen to know 2 people personally that they almost caused permanent damage to and the dumbass Doctor told both that they needed them to prevent heart attack  ::) and it's very easy to browse the net and find PLENTY more. They are a scam drug that have ZERO use!



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: columbusdude82 on June 23, 2008, 04:01:43 AM
Mr D, what is your opinion of consuming fruit post workout? Say, a banana and an apple... followed by a protein shake a few minutes later...


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on June 23, 2008, 05:29:46 AM
Sorry disgusted, you must be exagerating there. I'm not advocating BB's take statins "just in case" but they are a very usefull drug for many people. Rhabdomyalisis(muscle breakdown) and elevated liver enzymes are well documented side effects but very rare and you haven't seen them in many people and they are not harder on the liver than steroids. I think you give out lots of good advice on here and I generally like you're style but i couldn't let such a false exageration go unchecked.

Otherwise great thread,

regards,
the Doc :)

i agree with disgusted doc. I recommend you read the great cholesterol con by Anthony Colpo:

http://www.thegreatcholesterolcon.com/
http://www.amazon.com/Great-Cholesterol-Con-Anthony-Colpo/dp/1430309334

it is a great read and goes into great depth on analysis of statins, referencing thousands of studies. If you do i believe you will think differently.

The Fatpanda. :D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: ripitupbaby on June 23, 2008, 06:42:06 AM
Hi Disgusted :)

How do you feel about soy sauce during contest prep?  I'm not as concerned about the sodium as much as I am about using a soy-based product.  Am I over-thinking things?

Thanks!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 23, 2008, 07:39:27 AM
Mr D, what is your opinion of consuming fruit post workout? Say, a banana and an apple... followed by a protein shake a few minutes later...
im not disgusted... but just in case you are thinkig about sdoing this today and he hasnt answered by then...... fruits are far from ideal; especially post workout....    for a thousand reasons...    good thread on the nutrition board right now about simple carbs post workout..  check it out.... and in it we are talking about glucose which goes to muscles; and fruits aremostly fructose that go to the liver...so take what is said and intensely multiply it...    fruits= no no


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: columbusdude82 on June 23, 2008, 07:54:44 AM
im not disgusted... but just in case you are thinkig about sdoing this today and he hasnt answered by then...... fruits are far from ideal; especially post workout....    for a thousand reasons...    good thread on the nutrition board right now about simple carbs post workout..  check it out.... and in it we are talking about glucose which goes to muscles; and fruits aremostly fructose that go to the liver...so take what is said and intensely multiply it...    fruits= no no

Not even a banana? Damn, Mr. C!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 23, 2008, 01:14:55 PM
Not even a banana? Damn, Mr. C!
its just a poor choice of food is all


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 23, 2008, 04:39:18 PM
Mr D, what is your opinion of consuming fruit post workout? Say, a banana and an apple... followed by a protein shake a few minutes later...

Gotta agree with Can bro, some good protein after a workout is best. There is nothing magical about taking in some kind of carb right after a workout.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 23, 2008, 04:41:10 PM
Hi Disgusted :)

How do you feel about soy sauce during contest prep?  I'm not as concerned about the sodium as much as I am about using a soy-based product.  Am I over-thinking things?

Thanks!


The best answer for this is the shortest and that is that yes, you are over thinking.  ;D  You are also correct about not worrying about the soium too, imo.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: columbusdude82 on June 23, 2008, 04:46:21 PM
Gotta agree with Can bro, some good protein after a workout is best. There is nothing magical about taking in some kind of carb right after a workout.

So you wouldn't really recommend even a much-hyped product like Waxy Maize?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 23, 2008, 04:50:30 PM
So you wouldn't really recommend even a much-hyped product like Waxy Maize?

You know CD82 I used waxy maize for months and didnt notice any difference. I think it was all mental ( u know thinking i was getting great gains from it). But then again, i was probably too fat to be taking in all the carbs that I was at that time.



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: columbusdude82 on June 23, 2008, 04:52:52 PM
You know CD82 I used waxy maize for months and didnt notice any difference. I think it was all mental ( u know thinking i was getting great gains from it). But then again, i was probably too fat to be taking in all the carbs that I was at that time.



Thank you, Mr. F :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 23, 2008, 05:25:20 PM
So you wouldn't really recommend even a much-hyped product like Waxy Maize?

Not unless I was taking slin and then I would just take some Carbo Hit.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: El Guapo on June 23, 2008, 06:04:41 PM
I know you recommend a low carb diet Jim, do you advocate a carb up day as well? or do you think that is not needed.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 23, 2008, 06:28:24 PM
I know you recommend a low carb diet Jim, do you advocate a carb up day as well? or do you think that is not needed.

You mean contest dieting? If so, I throw in carbs at specific times so yes, but not ususally on a daily baisis.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 23, 2008, 06:31:51 PM
You mean contest dieting? If so, I throw in carbs at specific times so yes, but not ususally on a daily baisis.

So you dont have a certain diet that you advocate? Like there is no Disgusted diet? Like the Palumbo diet or something like that?

Do you just do whatever that particular person needs depending on how far along they are, how fat they are, how lean they are etc??

This is kinda confusing the way I typed this, but hopefully you can understand so the people that read this can learn something.



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: columbusdude82 on June 24, 2008, 07:20:05 AM
Not unless I was taking slin and then I would just take some Carbo Hit.

Thanks, Jim. I'll keep it simple and stick to a 2-scoop shake post-workout then :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Bobby on June 24, 2008, 09:49:28 AM
Not unless I was taking slin and then I would just take some Carbo Hit.

so you wouldn't take fast acting carbs pwo at all unless you were using slin?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 24, 2008, 10:09:57 AM
So you dont have a certain diet that you advocate? Like there is no Disgusted diet? Like the Palumbo diet or something like that?

Do you just do whatever that particular person needs depending on how far along they are, how fat they are, how lean they are etc??

This is kinda confusing the way I typed this, but hopefully you can understand so the people that read this can learn something.



That's pretty much it. I don't do cookie cutter diets although 2 people in similar condition and size may start off with a very similar diet but it will differ as the weeks go by.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 24, 2008, 10:13:04 AM
so you wouldn't take fast acting carbs pwo at all unless you were using slin?

Pretty much. There are different types of fast acting carbs, but I would never just eat fruit by itself right after a workout. Let's say after a workout I would eat some protein, complex carbs and then nothing wrong with eating some fruit too. When someone takes slin the only reason to take in carbs would be too keep your blood sugar up. Remember, protein builds muscle!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Bobby on June 24, 2008, 10:18:33 AM
Pretty much. There are different types of fast acting carbs, but I would never just eat fruit by itself right after a workout. Let's say after a workout I would eat some protein, complex carbs and then nothing wrong with eating some fruit too. When someone takes slin the only reason to take in carbs would be too keep your blood sugar up. Remember, protein builds muscle!

what about all this talk of depleting muscle glycogen and the need to restore it? are they wrong?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 24, 2008, 01:04:45 PM
disgusted, i had no idea you did nutrition as well.

how about a sample diet for cuttting and a sample diet for bulking for a guy roughly 230... average metabolism.. average diet....     you could be as detailed or as general as youd like.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: the_doc on June 24, 2008, 02:43:52 PM
"They are a scam drug that have ZERO use!"

just not true. very usefull for certain groups of patients eg familial hypercholeserolaemia and high risk cardiac disease. They should not be prescribed carelessly and pt's should be monitored for those important side effects you have highlighted. I'm afraid there are some shortsighted/singleminded docs out there and i'm sorry for those people you know. I'm happy however that you raised the important issue of the mindless prescribing of statins and (many other drugs for that matter) without good reason ie benefit clearly outweighing risk/cost.

Good link Panda :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: ripitupbaby on June 24, 2008, 04:59:46 PM
The best answer for this is the shortest and that is that yes, you are over thinking.  ;D  You are also correct about not worrying about the soium too, imo.


Thanks, that's what I was hoping you would say.  :)

What about diet soda during prep?



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 24, 2008, 05:01:24 PM

Thanks, that's what I was hoping you would say.  :)

What about diet soda during prep?



Just my $0.02 I think your brainfucking yourself Lori :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 24, 2008, 06:39:50 PM

Thanks, that's what I was hoping you would say.  :)

What about diet soda during prep?



I don't see a problem with it although I would cut it out about 10 days out since it has a lot of chemicals in it.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 24, 2008, 06:41:57 PM
what about all this talk of depleting muscle glycogen and the need to restore it? are they wrong?

Why wouldn't it be restored by eating the type of meal that I gave in my last post?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 24, 2008, 06:59:34 PM
"They are a scam drug that have ZERO use!"

just not true. very usefull for certain groups of patients eg familial hypercholeserolaemia and high risk cardiac disease. They should not be prescribed carelessly and pt's should be monitored for those important side effects you have highlighted. I'm afraid there are some shortsighted/singleminded docs out there and i'm sorry for those people you know. I'm happy however that you raised the important issue of the mindless prescribing of statins and (many other drugs for that matter) without good reason ie benefit clearly outweighing risk/cost.

Good link Panda :)


It may be useful in familial hypercholesterolemia which is a genetic disorder that I am only slightly familiar with, but I do not think that it would be safe for someone to stay on such a drug for life. I would think it better to try and suppress the absorption by using something like Cholestyramine that generally has little systemic side effects.

There are of no use in high risk cardiac patients unless you have some technical data that proves otherwise, I know if none. In fact, I have recently heard of new studies that have shown the opposite.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Alex23 on June 24, 2008, 08:53:30 PM
Disgusted, what's your take on Masteron and other DHT derivatives?

Is masteron > than Cow Tren?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 24, 2008, 09:10:38 PM
"natural question asker"  ::)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on June 24, 2008, 09:12:37 PM
"natural question asker"  ::)

Good cover up! :D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: ripitupbaby on June 25, 2008, 06:22:04 AM
Just my $0.02 I think your brainfucking yourself Lori :)

I don't see a problem with it although I would cut it out about 10 days out since it has a lot of chemicals in it.


LOL I am just asking!!  I like to ask questions, it gives me more stuff to obsess over think about. 

Thanks.  :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 25, 2008, 08:33:22 AM

LOL I am just asking!!  I like to ask questions, it gives me more stuff to obsess over think about. 

Thanks.  :)


Nothing wrong with asking questions, it's the only way to learn.  :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Bobby on June 25, 2008, 08:54:16 AM
Why wouldn't it be restored by eating the type of meal that I gave in my last post?

Because it takes the body time to digest the complex carbs while dextrose (or similiar) is pretty quickly absorbed and in your bloodstream?



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Overload on June 25, 2008, 01:19:42 PM
Jim,

What's your opinion on estrogen control drugs like Arimidex and Letro?

Do they serve a purpose in a basic bulking cycle?

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Does finasteride and other DHT blockers effect AAS gains?

Does mixing finasteride and Deca actually make male pattern baldness worse?



Thank you.

8)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: columbusdude82 on June 25, 2008, 02:52:14 PM
BTW, Mr D, here's two quick ones:

Evolution or Creationism?

Ass or titties?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 25, 2008, 10:57:35 PM
I was just looking at some Trey Brewer pics from the jr. nats and I got curious.

1. What  is the effective dose of DNP.

2. What is the lethal dose of DNP.

3. And do u know anybody who has died from using it???

4. Also what do u think of usnic acid, since it works similarly to DNP.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: ripitupbaby on June 26, 2008, 06:28:06 AM
I was just looking at some Trey Brewer pics from the jr. nats and I got curious.

1. What  is the effective dose of DNP.

2. What is the lethal dose of DNP.

3. And do u know anybody who has died from using it???

4. Also what do u think of usnic acid, since it works similarly to DNP.


It does?!?!   ???   :-\



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 26, 2008, 09:09:24 AM
Because it takes the body time to digest the complex carbs while dextrose (or similiar) is pretty quickly absorbed and in your bloodstream?



True but what is the advantage of quicker absorption?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 26, 2008, 09:16:52 AM
Jim,

What's your opinion on estrogen control drugs like Arimidex and Letro? 1 mg daily is the most that I would use of either.

Do they serve a purpose in a basic bulking cycle? Depends on the person. Yes if you are the type to hold a ton of water. I would start with .5mg daily.
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Does finasteride and other DHT blockers effect AAS gains? Not at t he recommended dose. Going too high will effect your sex drive so be careful.

Does mixing finasteride and Deca actually make male pattern baldness worse? Not in my opinion. I know some guys that never lose a hair no matter what they take. Personally I would just avoid that drug that makes my hair fall out all together.


Thank you.

8)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 26, 2008, 09:18:18 AM
BTW, Mr D, here's two quick ones:

Evolution or Creationism?

Ass or titties?

There is absolutely no proof that a species can evolve into "another" species.

Ass of course.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 26, 2008, 09:21:47 AM
I was just looking at some Trey Brewer pics from the jr. nats and I got curious.

1. What  is the effective dose of DNP. It can kill you!

2. What is the lethal dose of DNP. It can kill you!

3. And do u know anybody who has died from using it??? Supposedly Curtis Lieffler

4. Also what do u think of usnic acid, since it works similarly to DNP. Known a few guys to use it and honestly they didn't really see any difference with it that diet alone gave them anyway.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 26, 2008, 09:29:51 AM
Btw, some info on sodium usniate

Sodium usniate

Recently a chemical isolated from the Kombucha plant has been marketed as a weight-loss agent. Sodium usniate disassociates into sodium and usnic acid. In one study using mouse liver mitochondria, only 1 micromole of usnic acid completely abolished oxidative phosphorylation, while 50 times more DNP was needed to do the same thing. Because of itís strong effects, there is no doubt that this agent can increase weight loss, even though no human studies have validated this notion. However, numerous side effects are associated with Kombucha used as a tea and usnic acid itself. Medline is filled with reports of unexplained illnesses, liver problems, and allergic reactions associated with Kombucha tea consumption. In addition, usnic acid is toxic to a variety of cells lines from different species. Itís possible that other agents from Kombucha are causing the problems reported and not the usnic acid. However, given the toxicity of usnic acid to cells and the fact that it is a much stronger inhibitor of oxidative phosphorylation than DNP, it would be wise to hold off on using this agent until more research is known. If it turns out to be safe for use, than it will still help you to lose body fat. If it turns out to have some complications associated with it, then you saved yourself a load of hassles.




Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on June 26, 2008, 09:56:35 AM
I was just looking at some Trey Brewer pics from the jr. nats and I got curious.

1. What  is the effective dose of DNP.

2. What is the lethal dose of DNP.

3. And do u know anybody who has died from using it???

4. Also what do u think of usnic acid, since it works similarly to DNP.

i have taken dnp twice - up to 600mg, and it actually stopped fat loss on both occasions. don't ask me how or why i have no idea.

it was certainly real i had every side effect going, but the fat loss that was working fine at 2lbs loss a week stopped all together as soon as i added it. >:(

same thing happened with t3  >:(

i have fatpanda genetics :-\


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 26, 2008, 11:34:17 AM
disgusted do you think there is any benefit to using a high dose af an ai while cutting up? i have heard guys will take 2-3mg adex or 5mg femara leading up to a show..


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 26, 2008, 12:00:31 PM
disgusted do you think there is any benefit to using a high dose af an ai while cutting up? i have heard guys will take 2-3mg adex or 5mg femara leading up to a show..

Supposedly taking one Arim a day stops 80% of estrogen production from the pituitary gland. Does taking 2 stop the other 20%? I am not so sure but taking more than that is not productive at all. I have known guys to go up higher and IMO it is a waste of money. BTW, nolvadex for women is useless.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 26, 2008, 12:02:40 PM
cool man thanks


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Bobby on June 26, 2008, 01:14:50 PM
True but what is the advantage of quicker absorption?

Bring the body out of a catabolic state as soon as possible?

Do you do it like this for contest prep only or offseason too?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 26, 2008, 03:48:25 PM
Bring the body out of a catabolic state as soon as possible?

Do you do it like this for contest prep only or offseason too?
why would you be catabolic? your diet needs improvement if your catabolic at the end of every workout dude.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 26, 2008, 05:35:10 PM
Btw, some info on sodium usniate

Sodium usniate

Recently a chemical isolated from the Kombucha plant has been marketed as a weight-loss agent. Sodium usniate disassociates into sodium and usnic acid. In one study using mouse liver mitochondria, only 1 micromole of usnic acid completely abolished oxidative phosphorylation, while 50 times more DNP was needed to do the same thing. Because of itís strong effects, there is no doubt that this agent can increase weight loss, even though no human studies have validated this notion. However, numerous side effects are associated with Kombucha used as a tea and usnic acid itself. Medline is filled with reports of unexplained illnesses, liver problems, and allergic reactions associated with Kombucha tea consumption. In addition, usnic acid is toxic to a variety of cells lines from different species. Itís possible that other agents from Kombucha are causing the problems reported and not the usnic acid. However, given the toxicity of usnic acid to cells and the fact that it is a much stronger inhibitor of oxidative phosphorylation than DNP, it would be wise to hold off on using this agent until more research is known. If it turns out to be safe for use, than it will still help you to lose body fat. If it turns out to have some complications associated with it, then you saved yourself a load of hassles.





very very interesting.  :o


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 26, 2008, 05:38:39 PM


It does?!?!   ???   :-\


yes, they are both uncoupling agents.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Bobby on June 27, 2008, 01:15:14 AM
why would you be catabolic? your diet needs improvement if your catabolic at the end of every workout dude.

weightlifting is catabolic...i feel pretty empty after a session of back & bis.

I eat oatmeal, eggs & tuna 1-2hrs before 60g carbs and 40g protein


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Cleanest Natural on June 27, 2008, 03:44:16 AM
Hi Jim ! I always struggled with apetite...sometimes I only feel like eating 3 times a day...I try to reducethe cARBS and focus on protein. Since the time I worked with Ron Love, I learned to incorporate plenty of omega 3 fats in my bulking or cutting diets...At the same time, he always had me doing cardio in the offseason, and eating quite clean. Is it ok like this ? Or should I go nuts on any type of food to gain as much weight as possible...?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 27, 2008, 11:41:16 AM
weightlifting is catabolic...i feel pretty empty after a session of back & bis.

I eat oatmeal, eggs & tuna 1-2hrs before 60g carbs and 40g protein

I may get some flack about this but whatever... I'll never understand why people rush to drink a glass of sugar directly after their workouts. You ate a good solid meal before your workout so eat another of the same. If you prefer to drink a meal then fine but try and have the same ratio of your macro nutrients as you did with your preworkout meal.

A lot of guys take insulin (which I do not recommend) after their workouts so they need to cover their ass with carbs, but this is totally different.  To answer the next question  ;D... Remember that it is one thing to use insulin to grow and another to overload glycogen stores the last few days before a show.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 27, 2008, 07:16:32 PM
weightlifting is catabolic...i feel pretty empty after a session of back & bis.

I eat oatmeal, eggs & tuna 1-2hrs before 60g carbs and 40g protein
nah man, you wont be catabolic if youve eaten that 1-2 hours before you workout.

theres a difference between mobilizing body fat and movbilizing skeletal muscle !!!

catabolic= eating muscle

and anyways... drinking whey alone will take you out of a true catabolic state if you were to ever get into one..  no need for the crap sugars! even waxy, IMO, is crap to take. no reaosn for it, and nothing beneficial comes from it.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 27, 2008, 07:18:04 PM
disgusted could you lay out a guide on insulin usage for a completetely uninformed individual that knows nothing about insulin ? like, doseage, injection frequency, mechanism of action, things you must do before/after administering the slin...  what kind of things to expect from slin.. minimum time running slin to see anything...ect ect


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 27, 2008, 08:49:50 PM
Hi Jim ! I always struggled with apetite...sometimes I only feel like eating 3 times a day...I try to reducethe cARBS and focus on protein. Since the time I worked with Ron Love, I learned to incorporate plenty of omega 3 fats in my bulking or cutting diets...At the same time, he always had me doing cardio in the offseason, and eating quite clean. Is it ok like this ? Or should I go nuts on any type of food to gain as much weight as possible...?

Depends on what you mean by going nuts. I would not advocate getting fat by eatng all kinds of junk food. On the other hand if you are having problems then you can add more good fats to each meal in the form of red meat, eggs olive oil ect. Eating 3 times a day plus maybe one or two meal replacements is plenty of food per day. I do not believe that you need to eat tons of food to gain muscle. Eggs, meat, fish, chicken cottage cheese, rice, yams oats if you like. There are plenty of good calorie dense foods that you can eat.  :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Bobby on June 28, 2008, 04:40:11 AM
I may get some flack about this but whatever... I'll never understand why people rush to drink a glass of sugar directly after their workouts. You ate a good solid meal before your workout so eat another of the same. If you prefer to drink a meal then fine but try and have the same ratio of your macro nutrients as you did with your preworkout meal.

A lot of guys take insulin (which I do not recommend) after their workouts so they need to cover their ass with carbs, but this is totally different.  To answer the next question  ;D... Remember that it is one thing to use insulin to grow and another to overload glycogen stores the last few days before a show.

Interesting! I am on a cutting diet now too, maybe i should try it for a while and see if there is a difference.

I looked at this guys diet, he is natural and ripped as hell! He is using waxy maize 30-80g carbs pwo. Doesn't seem to have any negative effect on him. http://brianwhitacre.net/


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 28, 2008, 06:51:10 AM
Interesting! I am on a cutting diet now too, maybe i should try it for a while and see if there is a difference.

I looked at this guys diet, he is natural and ripped as hell! He is using waxy maize 30-80g carbs pwo. Doesn't seem to have any negative effect on him. http://brianwhitacre.net/


I think that you are looking for a magic bullet bro. Waxy maze has little to do with why this kid is so ripped. He could replace the waxy maze with grape juice and it would make no difference. This diet is very precise for him and is nothing more than a standard low cal balanced diet.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Bobby on June 28, 2008, 08:45:03 AM
I think that you are looking for a magic bullet bro. Waxy maze has little to do with why this kid is so ripped. He could replace the waxy maze with grape juice and it would make no difference. This diet is very precise for him and is nothing more than a standard low cal balanced diet.

I'm using a very similar diet he is and it is working great! However i doubt that i will ever get as ripped as him. I thought it was interesting to note that he is using simple sugar pwo and it doesn't seem to hinder his progress.

Then again every Coleman video i watch he never has a pwo shake, just eats regular meals before and after.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 28, 2008, 03:32:38 PM
I'm using a very similar diet he is and it is working great! However i doubt that i will ever get as ripped as him. I thought it was interesting to note that he is using simple sugar pwo and it doesn't seem to hinder his progress.

Then again every Coleman video i watch he never has a pwo shake, just eats regular meals before and after.

The question is not why it would hinder his progress, but why would it? His diet is basic calorie counting and this drink is part of his daily intake. Nothing special about the drink. Like I said before, he could drink grape juice and it would make no difference.

As far as not being able to get as ripped as him, WHY THE HELL NOT! Have some faith in yourself, you can get as ripped as you want. Peace


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: El Guapo on June 28, 2008, 04:00:30 PM
Disgusted you should contribute to the cardio thread on the main board. Are you a HIIT or moderate paced guy?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Bobby on June 29, 2008, 05:07:15 AM
The question is not why it would hinder his progress, but why would it? His diet is basic calorie counting and this drink is part of his daily intake. Nothing special about the drink. Like I said before, he could drink grape juice and it would make no difference.

As far as not being able to get as ripped as him, WHY THE HELL NOT! Have some faith in yourself, you can get as ripped as you want. Peace

I was thinking that maybe all the sugars will not be used and some will turn to fat, therefore hinder progress. Where a regular meal would be used up (slow acting vs fast acting carbs etc...). Maybe that's not possible in a deficit, even if the carbs are junk still won't turn to fat?...

I will try this today! I am off to WO. after i will eat 40g whey and oatmeal 50g carbs :)

This is my first diet where i aim to get really low bf% and won't settle for 8% I guess it takes a couple of tries before i achieve that level of rippedness.

Thanks for the advice bro!!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on June 29, 2008, 06:23:30 AM
disgusted - what about all these studies that show increased protein synthesis, better recover etc when fast carbs + protein are taken immedately before or after the w/o?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 29, 2008, 08:12:26 AM
 bobby - oatmeal + whey is perfect !  :)

fatpanda- the studies ive seen compare either [NOTHINg verse carbs+protein] OR [CARBS verse CARBS PLUS PROTEIN]....   theres no reasnon why carbs + protein   would make you grow any faster than protein alone POST WORKOUT... because post workout protein synthesis is alread jacked to the fullest and the body is going to be growing at its fastest rate possible -insulin/carbs or no insulin/carbs- as long as you provide it with amino acids.     


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on June 29, 2008, 10:33:19 AM
bobby - oatmeal + whey is perfect !  :)

fatpanda- the studies ive seen compare either [NOTHINg verse carbs+protein] OR [CARBS verse CARBS PLUS PROTEIN]....   theres no reasnon why carbs + protein   would make you grow any faster than protein alone POST WORKOUT... because post workout protein synthesis is alread jacked to the fullest and the body is going to be growing at its fastest rate possible -insulin/carbs or no insulin/carbs- as long as you provide it with amino acids.     

yes i too have seen these studies however insulin improves amino uptake into the muscle, along with other nutrients i.e. water, glucose etc. which all help optimise muscle growth.

as you know insulin combined smartly with pre/post workout meals has added 40lbs of muscle to bodybuiders on average since it became widespread. Just read some of milos's stuff on here.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 29, 2008, 11:00:09 AM
yes i too have seen these studies however insulin improves amino uptake into the muscle, along with other nutrients i.e. water, glucose etc. which all help optimise muscle growth.
yes. very true. BUT, heres the thing. the human body can only gsynthesize new muscle tissue at a certain rate. regardless of how much gear, how much insulin, how much amino acids, how much essential fats, how sedentray you are... there IS a limit at how fast the human can can build up muscle tissue.   once youve reached this ultimate pace of growth, adding in any more of any of the growth factors is simply useless; because even if the body wants T GROW FASTER, IT CANT. BECAUSE IT CAN ONLY GROW SO FAST! (sorry about the caps)    post training, the body is primed to synthesize protein as fast as it possible can. even in a natural bodybuilder. so drinking fast digesting amino acids that build up a big concentration ini the blood stream will be beneficial; since you can utilize them. BUT, drinking a bunch of c arbohydrates and jacking insulin up wont make you be able to grow any faster, since post training you are already at that ultimate growth pace!
as you know insulin combined smartly with pre/post workout meals has added 40lbs of muscle to bodybuiders on average since it became widespread. Just read some of milos's stuff on here. 100% i agree that insulin is a huge growth factor.  but they are using insulin at all times of the day. morning noon and night. both fast acting and slow acting forms of insulin that cause you to have this intense growth factor pretty much all day long.  thats why they grow


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 29, 2008, 11:05:16 AM
but they are using insulin at all times of the day. morning noon and night. both fast acting and slow acting forms of insulin that cause you to have this intense growth factor pretty much all day long.  thats why they grow

That's not what Milos says. Around workouts only.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 29, 2008, 11:06:02 AM
That's not what Milos says. Around workouts only.
     6 hour long workouts?   :D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on June 29, 2008, 11:38:32 AM
     6 hour long workouts?   :D
They don't workout for 6 hours ::) It's actually a very quick workout.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 29, 2008, 11:41:54 AM
They don't workout for 6 hours ::) It's actually a very quick workout.
um...derrrrrr.... it was a joke about slow acting insulin...  i guess if i had written the excact clearance time of humilin, then you may have gotten it.. but maybe not

anyways, the point is they DO NOT use insulin ONLY around workouts.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on June 29, 2008, 11:44:52 AM


anyways, the point is they DO NOT use insulin ONLY around workouts.
And you know this how? When have you ever trained with anyone that used insulin? When have you used insulin?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 29, 2008, 11:46:18 AM
And you know this how? When have you ever trained with anyone that used insulin? When have you used insulin?
it would be like saying " yes we use testosterone but we only use test susp and we only use it around workouts...

... SUUURRRREEEEEEE you do buddy   :D   


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on June 29, 2008, 11:53:21 AM
it would be like saying " yes we use testosterone but we only use test susp and we only use it around workouts...

... SUUURRRREEEEEEE you do buddy   :D   
So you don't know.......

I guess Disgusted can answer settle this easily when he logs on............


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on June 29, 2008, 01:10:36 PM
That's not what Milos says. Around workouts only.

agree completley - maybe they took it at all times when it first came out but not anymore. (unless they are diabetics, through all day use  ;D)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: wes on June 29, 2008, 01:23:49 PM
I once ate chicken & brown rice for a year post-workout and noticed no difference from when I drank a shake with dextrose after training................ .....except I wasn`t hungry again as fast.

Shakes = convience and something to take in a pinch or to augment the diet with.

You can make the same or better gains eating solid food throughout the day and even at post-workout.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: wes on June 29, 2008, 01:26:19 PM
Taylor,never fuck with insulin bro...........at your level,if you must use gear,it should be test only and at minimum dosages............say 500 mg./wk.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 29, 2008, 01:27:44 PM
Taylor,never fuck with insulin bro...........at your level,if you must use gear,it should be test only and at minimum dosages............say 500 mg./wk.
way to make it personal by using my real name  :D

hey dont worry, i think insulin is probably why guys get distended abdomens and i dont think id ever sacrifice an aesthetic midsection for more muscle


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on June 29, 2008, 01:30:45 PM
I once ate chicken & brown rice for a year post-workout and noticed no difference from when I drank a shake with dextrose after training................ .....except I wasn`t hungry again as fast.

Shakes = convience and something to take in a pinch or to augment the diet with.

You can make the same or better gains eating solid food throughout the day and even at post-workout.

i do have solid meals around the workout, but i made my best gains when i stuffed my face like a pig after the workout as opposed to a small  meal, and another an hour later. - i feel it was down to large insulin spike and extra calories around the workout + a synergistic effect between the 2.

i think milos would be better placed to answer this question than disgusted, as i don't think he agree's with insulin in general? (disgusted am i right? )

where as milos is the insulin godfather.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 29, 2008, 01:33:47 PM
i htink there is a huge benefit to whey protein. as no other source of protien can get you the kind of amino acid levels in the blood stream like whey can. and its on demand as well !

meat proteins digest slowwwwllllllyyyyyyyy..a nd they arent ANABOLIC without carbs digesting and spiking insulinalong with them....   they are simply ANTI CATABOLIC...   however... whey protein digest all at once, and is anabolic without carbs or high insulin !    (liquid egg whites give a similar effect as whey, except the amino acid profile on whey is a bit better)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 29, 2008, 01:38:08 PM
it would be like saying " yes we use testosterone but we only use test susp and we only use it around workouts...

... SUUURRRREEEEEEE you do buddy   :D   

I don't know why Milos would lie about only using it around workouts. It would be hard to get ripped if you used insulin round the clock.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 29, 2008, 01:45:44 PM
yes thats true, i suppose pre contest it would be best just around workouts, or only once or twice a week like niccols advocates...

but offseason i would assume there are guys who use it most days and for the bigger portion o the day

i remember gh15 saying one professional is scared to eat without it  :-X


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Bobby on June 29, 2008, 02:36:15 PM
i do have solid meals around the workout, but i made my best gains when i stuffed my face like a pig after the workout as opposed to a small  meal, and another an hour later. - i feel it was down to large insulin spike and extra calories around the workout + a synergistic effect between the 2.

i think milos would be better placed to answer this question than disgusted, as i don't think he agree's with insulin in general? (disgusted am i right? )

where as milos is the insulin godfather.

this is definitely an interesting topic

Milos answer: http://www.dailymotion.com/related/4703319/video/x2stak_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt2_extreme


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 29, 2008, 02:39:40 PM
ive watched that many times as well bobby.   milos says high glycemic carbs are good because they help replenish glycogen fat so you can train again the same day.

if you ever go train with milos he will eat starburst or other junk post training as a source of carb though


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Alex23 on June 29, 2008, 02:41:08 PM
ive watched that many times as well bobby.   milos says high glycemic carbs are good because they help replenish glycogen fat so you can train again the same day.

if you ever go train with milos he will eat starburst or other junk post training as a source of carb though

candi are we still meeting for training next week? On 11th street or Tracy Blvd (the newer one)?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 29, 2008, 02:44:38 PM
candi are we still meeting for training next week? On 11th street or Tracy Blvd (the newer one)?

Can I go too???  ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 29, 2008, 02:48:12 PM
Disgusted,

Whats your thoughts on Vince Gironda and his methodologies?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on June 29, 2008, 03:03:37 PM


if you ever go train with milos he will eat starburst or other junk post training as a source of carb though
Really, he does ???


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 29, 2008, 03:04:33 PM
Really, he does ???
this is what ive heard  :D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Alex23 on June 29, 2008, 03:04:40 PM
ive watched that many times as well bobby.   milos says high glycemic carbs are good because they help replenish glycogen fat so you can train again the same day.

if you ever go train with milos he will eat starburst or other junk post training as a source of carb though

Deal. As long as you stay away from my crotchal area.

Hey you know what, we'll go get pizza on 11th st.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 29, 2008, 03:06:23 PM
what day exacly, alex.. and no; i go to either the in shape or the 24 hour here in manteca...     currently i go some thing like mon = chest tues=legs thurs=back fri=shoulders sat = arms..


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on June 29, 2008, 03:09:13 PM
Alex, flex and candi............take it to another board so I don't have to delete posts from Disgusteds thread.


 :-*


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on June 29, 2008, 03:37:24 PM
Alex, flex and candi............take it to another board so I don't have to delete posts from Disgusteds thread.


 :-*

Its all positive though Chaos. Isnt that what this board is all about......

We're inviting Disgusted as well. So it remains pertnent :)

But in all seriousness. yea delete our post. We are ruining this thread haha ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 29, 2008, 08:26:21 PM
Damn, I'm gone for the day and come back to a great debate. Ok, ain't got too much time to go into detail now, but short answers for now.

Post workout Wes is correct. Solid food IMO is best 99% of time.

I personally have always wondered if there was any advantage to taking slin only after workouts. Is there any real solid proof that these nutrients are getting used any better just because you happened to train a certain bodypart? Milos does at times advocate using it prework also so it is not written in stone for just post workout.

I am also not (totally) convinced that the growth that people get is due to a standard anabolic effect in the same manner that steroids work. I did once read about a guy who did not use carbs while taking slin and gained about 10 solid pounds and no fat gain. He used protein and fat as far as food goes. I do not remember at all about how he did this so don't ask. I wish I could remember, but even if I did I do not think that there is any advantage to it anyway.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on June 29, 2008, 09:35:34 PM
Damn, I'm gone for the day and come back to a great debate. Ok, ain't got too much time to go into detail now, but short answers for now.

Post workout Wes is correct. Solid food IMO is best 99% of time.

I personally have always wondered if there was any advantage to taking slin only after workouts. Is there any real solid proof that these nutrients are getting used any better just because you happened to train a certain bodypart? Milos does at times advocate using it prework also so it is not written in stone for just post workout.

I am also not (totally) convinced that the growth that people get is due to a standard anabolic effect in the same manner that steroids work. I did once read about a guy who did not use carbs while taking slin and gained about 10 solid pounds and no fat gain. He used protein and fat as far as food goes. I do not remember at all about how he did this so don't ask. I wish I could remember, but even if I did I do not think that there is any advantage to it anyway.
yeah! i read this guy too. i think it was on anabolex ? he came up with a theory that you didnt need carbs to not go hypo, all you needed was sufficient amino acids for gluconeogenesis ! pretty sweet that he tried it out ! haha. kinda risky  :o


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 30, 2008, 03:14:49 AM
yeah! i read this guy too. i think it was on anabolex ? he came up with a theory that you didnt need carbs to not go hypo, all you needed was sufficient amino acids for gluconeogenesis ! pretty sweet that he tried it out ! haha. kinda risky  :o

Google for Big Fat Bastard Insulin Program or something like that. I think it might have been "L. Rea" who wrote the article under a pseudonym but don't know for sure.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 30, 2008, 03:20:49 AM
I personally have always wondered if there was any advantage to taking slin only after workouts. Is there any real solid proof that these nutrients are getting used any better just because you happened to train a certain bodypart? Milos does at times advocate using it prework also so it is not written in stone for just post workout.

Yeah and asking Milos to explain in detail why it works so much better used around workouts is useless too. He thinks everyone who doesn't immediately accept the theory as fact is just a stupid basement dwelling teenager.  :D
Same with his recent rants about individual amino acids causing much more growth than protein from solid foods. He would have a hard time defending why aminos are better IMO but he is too arrogant to engage in serious debate.

BTW Disgusted, what do you think of the LBA protein Phil Hernon sells?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on June 30, 2008, 12:10:48 PM
i may be wrong, but i think insulin is best used around the workout due to a theory that insulin stores nutrients in the area of the body that its currently in, (via blood) so during a workout most of the blood of the body is in the muslces, so thats where most of the storage takes place.

if insulin is used anytime not around workouts then the blood is evenly distributed and nutrients are evenly stored throughout the body.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 30, 2008, 04:40:11 PM
Yeah and asking Milos to explain in detail why it works so much better used around workouts is useless too. He thinks everyone who doesn't immediately accept the theory as fact is just a stupid basement dwelling teenager.  :D
Same with his recent rants about individual amino acids causing much more growth than protein from solid foods. He would have a hard time defending why aminos are better IMO but he is too arrogant to engage in serious debate.

BTW Disgusted, what do you think of the LBA protein Phil Hernon sells?

Is this the liquid beef stuff that he sells? If so I have heard nothing but good things about it. I think it worth a try based on feedback.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on June 30, 2008, 04:46:51 PM
i may be wrong, but i think insulin is best used around the workout due to a theory that insulin stores nutrients in the area of the body that its currently in, (via blood) so during a workout most of the blood of the body is in the muslces, so thats where the storage takes place.

if insulin is used anytime not around workouts then the blood is evenly distributed and nutrients are evenly stored throughout the body.

Sometimes I ask a question or two when trying to answer a question. So I ask you

1. What nutrients are stored in the muscles?
2. How are these nutrients responsible for growth?
3. (If) most of the blood in the body during a workout is in the muscles being trained what extra percentage of blood is in that area and is it different according to the muscle being worked?
4. If all the above is true then how is insulin responsible for the extra growth that occures?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on July 01, 2008, 07:38:42 AM
Sometimes I ask a question or two when trying to answer a question. So I ask you

1. What nutrients are stored in the muscles?
2. How are these nutrients responsible for growth?
3. (If) most of the blood in the body during a workout is in the muscles being trained what extra percentage of blood is in that area and is it different according to the muscle being worked?
4. If all the above is true then how is insulin responsible for the extra growth that occures?

1. glycogen (and water) from the carbs, amino's from the protein, also creatine, and a few other vitamins and minerals needed for cofactor and coenzyme systhesis within the cells.

2. i)they increase cellular hydration via glycogen (stretch theory), and overcompendsate for future depleting activities.
    ii) they increase ATP levels which the cells need (energy) to grow, and again overcompenates these levels for future activities.
    iii) increase in amino storage within muscle, and overcompensates again.

3. depends on the muscle group/groups being worked, if working the bi's or arms, obviously you wont demand much of the body's total blood volume, but if doing legs or thighs/hams you'll demand much more. how much exactly? I'm not sure, milos claim that at rest approx 12-18% of blood is found in he muscles, with the rest spread out throughout the body. when working out he claims 80% of the blood is found in the muscles with a further increase in circultion too. although i haven't read the studies where he got his figures, it seems perfects reasonable.

4. As i said above i think its because insulin stores nutrients in whatever cells it comes into contact with. with more blood at the muscle during a workout (80%) and hence a greater concentration of insulin (80% of whole body insulin levels) a large increase in nutrient storage occurs there i.e. 80% increase in nutrient storage in the muscle than at rest.

how this works when glycogen stores are full, etc i have no idea. perhaps with the increased enzymes production found in the muscles during workouts, it adds further to the supercompensation levels, and it is this that is responsible for he 40lb increase i muscle mass milos claims insulin is responsible for. although there should still be fat gain of some amount if you really go overboard with the carbs/protein.

someone elsewhere on this site asked a good question - if you need to take an exact amount of carbs to match an insulin injection to avoid 'problems', why do you need exogenous insulin at all as your body already produces the exact amount of insulin for any amount of carbs you eat already, what benefit is there in injecting insulin then? and how has this added 40lb muscle increase ???

in theory you should be able to add this amount of muscle simply by eating larger amounts of carbs/protein around the workout, and slowly increase the amount over time.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 01, 2008, 08:07:24 AM
fat panda..I believe you are overthinking and overcomplicating this shit...


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on July 01, 2008, 08:15:52 AM

http://www.exchangesupplies.org/conferences/NCIDU/2007_NCIDU/speakers/william_llewellyn.html

you might like that

bill llewellyn speech on insulin use


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on July 01, 2008, 08:54:15 AM
http://www.exchangesupplies.org/conferences/NCIDU/2007_NCIDU/speakers/william_llewellyn.html

you might like that

bill llewellyn speech on insulin use

good find.

yip, pretty much exactly what i said, except for my random thoughts at the bottom of my post.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 01, 2008, 11:14:06 AM
Hey guys. Chaos invited me to join this thread but I am not sure what is in question?
I suppose INSULIN - but I am not sure...

I did manage to read first post on this page and off course - my best friend Van B again nicely puts: Milos doesn't want to elaborate and considers everyone stupid IF they don't listen to his advice...type of comment...

Well, I am here to possibly answer some questions and certainly not to argue and fight...

Disgusted is someone I respect and like (so far I've seen only the very best from him...) so - if I can contribute here on his thread - I certainly will. At least I'll try. Problem is - that I do work for living...and I can take too many "breaks" (when I visit this board) like I did before...

But, I'll try...

So - what's the question?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on July 01, 2008, 11:39:05 AM
Hey guys. Chaos invited me to join this thread but I am not sure what is in question?
I suppose INSULIN - but I am not sure...

I did manage to read first post on this page and off course - my best friend Van B again nicely puts: Milos doesn't want to elaborate and considers everyone stupid IF they don't listen to his advice...type of comment...

Well, I am here to possibly answer some questions and certainly not to argue and fight...

Disgusted is someone I respect and like (so far I've seen only the very best from him...) so - if I can contribute here on his thread - I certainly will. At least I'll try. Problem is - that I do work for living...and I can take too many "breaks" (when I visit this board) like I did before...

But, I'll try...

So - what's the question?

if you need to take an exact amount of carbs to match an insulin injection to avoid 'problems'/ exact amount of insulin to match carb intake, why do you need exogenous insulin at all as your body already produces the exact amount of insulin for any amount of carbs you eat already, what benefit is there in injecting insulin then?

and how has this added 40lb muscle increase ?



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 01, 2008, 12:32:16 PM
I did manage to read first post on this page and off course - my best friend Van B again nicely puts: Milos doesn't want to elaborate and considers everyone stupid IF they don't listen to his advice...type of comment...

I'll give an example of a question I asked that you didn't really answer. Remember how you hyped Vitargo a while back? I asked you why you didn't use low molecular weight carbs as the carb source in your product since you seemed to consider them superior. I'm not saying it would necessarily improve the product as I think you can get the same result from whey + dextrose as your product but you said you only put the best of the best in your product.

....

I'm personally not convinced Free Form Aminos are superior to whole food protein sources (if you include something like whey as a whole food), and I think you'd get the same EAA blood elevations from whey - maybe slightly delayed. And if speed is what you want I think peptides have been shown to be even faster than EAAs. And then you shouldn't forget that whole food sources have other beneficial effects from a health and growth standpoint. Immune system and antioxidant support from whey for example. Dr Scott Connely has been working on special milk protein fractions that he claims have dramatic effects. So, I don't think Free Form Aminos are the future in cutting edge supplementation as you think.

 :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 01, 2008, 12:34:14 PM
if you need to take an exact amount of carbs to match an insulin injection to avoid 'problems'/ exact amount of insulin to match carb intake, why do you need exogenous insulin at all as your body already produces the exact amount of insulin for any amount of carbs you eat already, what benefit is there in injecting insulin then?

and how has this added 40lb muscle increase ?



Yep, I believe I asked that question numerous times. I'd settle for "I don't know exactly why injections are superior" if there isn't another good answer. I don't see the answer as being obvious, contrary to Milos.

Here's an article that attempts to answer how it helps performance:
http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/cgi/reprint/170/1/13


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on July 01, 2008, 12:36:40 PM
Dr Scott Connely has been working on special milk protein fractions that he claims have dramatic effects.
 :)
i just ordered some truprotein milk protein isolate 50% + whey protein isolate 50% !!

i am excited now after reading connely likes milk fractions too !


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 01, 2008, 12:39:50 PM
i just ordered some truprotein milk protein isolate 50% + whey protein isolate 50% !!

i am excited now after reading connely likes milk fractions too !

These are extra special fractions though, taken in capsule form. He has to go through tons of protein to get a tiny amount of these fractions supposedly. Patrick Arnold, Milos' buddy, has been testing them recently and he said he noticed some effects immediately. I don't know if they are on the market yet. If I'm not mistaken Mindspin sent a sample of these to 240 some time ago.

Connely was on NBR talking about his product a while back.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on July 01, 2008, 12:56:28 PM
i am exited for those to hit the market

milk is a super cool food (well, FAT FREE milk LOL)...as far as how it works in the body and its protein make up and what not



milos-
accoriding to a recent study caffiene blunts the insulin receptor on the fat cell and allows for much better glycogen replenishment...   you have any experience using caffiene with your slin  protocal to avoid fat gain ?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on July 01, 2008, 06:27:57 PM
if you need to take an exact amount of carbs to match an insulin injection to avoid 'problems'/ exact amount of insulin to match carb intake, why do you need exogenous insulin at all as your body already produces the exact amount of insulin for any amount of carbs you eat already, what benefit is there in injecting insulin then?

and how has this added 40lb muscle increase ?


Here is one question on insulin about the benefitof it as well as how it's use leads to a 40lb muscle increase.......

And Van B's question
Quote
I asked you why you didn't use low molecular weight carbs as the carb source in your product since you seemed to consider them superior.

Also I believe the original question was about how often insulin is used, how many times per day or is it pro/post workout?

I didn't send Milos a direct link so he had no idea where to look for the insulin question, so hopefully when he gets the chance he can answer these questions here, without the trouble of being bashed for his opinion. ;)

Hope you don't mind Disgusted, I just thought it would be an easy way to get Milos' opinion on the matter since, I am guessing, many people here consider him the authority on insulin for whatever reason.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on July 02, 2008, 06:26:35 AM
Here is one question on insulin about the benefitof it as well as how it's use leads to a 40lb muscle increase.......



perhaps i did not explain or ask very well chaos or perhaps you missed the point of the question - yes 40lb increases in muscle amoung the pro's is obviously a benefit of taking insulin.

But how does exogenous insulin work better than endogenous insulin? and why does it produce these jumps in muscle mass? can endogenous insulin not produce these same results with clever nutrition?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 02, 2008, 12:07:40 PM
Guys, I will responed in length later today. Got a virus on my computer.  :(


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on July 02, 2008, 04:40:09 PM
Guys, I will responed in length later today. Got a virus on my computer.  :(
That absolutely sucks, that's about the time I f*cking hate computers. >:(



perhaps i did not explain or ask very well chaos or perhaps you missed the point of the question - yes 40lb increases in muscle amoung the pro's is obviously a benefit of taking insulin.

But how does exogenous insulin work better than endogenous insulin? and why does it produce these jumps in muscle mass? can endogenous insulin not produce these same results with clever nutrition?
I thought I understood it, that's why I quoted your post so he could read it himself.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 02, 2008, 04:48:14 PM
I'll give an example of a question I asked that you didn't really answer. Remember how you hyped Vitargo a while back? I asked you why you didn't use low molecular weight carbs as the carb source in your product since you seemed to consider them superior. I'm not saying it would necessarily improve the product as I think you can get the same result from whey + dextrose as your product but you said you only put the best of the best in your product.

....

I'm personally not convinced Free Form Aminos are superior to whole food protein sources (if you include something like whey as a whole food), and I think you'd get the same EAA blood elevations from whey - maybe slightly delayed. And if speed is what you want I think peptides have been shown to be even faster than EAAs. And then you shouldn't forget that whole food sources have other beneficial effects from a health and growth standpoint. Immune system and antioxidant support from whey for example. Dr Scott Connely has been working on special milk protein fractions that he claims have dramatic effects. So, I don't think Free Form Aminos are the future in cutting edge supplementation as you think.

 :)

I'll give an example of a question I asked that you didn't really answer. Remember how you hyped Vitargo a while back? I asked you why you didn't use low molecular weight carbs as the carb source in your product since you seemed to consider them superior. I'm not saying it would necessarily improve the product as I think you can get the same result from whey + dextrose as your product but you said you only put the best of the best in your product.

Van, NO - I don't remember your example and a question...Where/when did you ask me that?
Now - I do remember TALKING about VITARGO and I was mentioning POSSIBLE BENEFITS and/or ADVENTAGES over simple monomers, dimers or some polymers when saccharides are in question...but right there you are making obvious mistake:
VITARGO is HIGH MOLECULAR WEIGHT (NOT LOW ::)) glucose polymer and as you mention IF I believed it is superior - why didn't I use it?

I experimented with Vitargo and other GLYCO(mono/di/oligo/poly)MERS with variety of molecular weight/osmolility...And, what I found is that IF sub 75grams servings are used - there is hardly noticeable difference...

While in theory VITARGO and other high molecular weight glucose polymers (waxy maize, cluster-dextrins...) have favorable osmolility and much faster (and therefore beneficial) gastric emptying...in reality THAT IS HARDLY A CASE.
Especially as I said - when amounts of carbs per servings DO NOT EXCEED 75 grams (most commonly 25-50 grams) than I really don't see a reason spending even MORE MONEY on making already expensive product (like my KNS 3 stage hyper-anabolic system).

If reasoning to take any glucose polymer is to get molecule of glucose at the end...than why not just give EXACTLY what body is asking for: a GLUCOSE (or DEXTROSE)...which is rather - dirt cheep!

I would much rather spend my money on HIGH QUALITY AJINOPURE AMINO ACIDS (by far superior to just about any other AA on the supplement market - IMHO) than invest money on VITARGO...If I could color my KNS amino acid bland - I will guaranteely see EXACT COLOR of the muscle fibers of particular trained muscle - which I trained using my BEFORE-DURING-POST KNS shakes...the very next day....

I will also - much rather spend the money on IV solution grade pharmaceutical amino acids (AJINOPURE from Ajinomoto) produced by process of fermentation than some questionable (mostly Chinese...and should I suggest: potentially toxic?) amino acids made out of human hair (as it is industry standard...which nobody talks about it...)...YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT...and IF YOU USE HYPEREMIA ADVANTAGE (as I do - during the training + specific supplementation) that saying becames a FACT!


Ooops - got to go...I'll come back ASAIC...


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on July 02, 2008, 04:52:46 PM
MILOS WHEN YOU COME BACK I AM INTERESTED IN THE CAFFIEN ISSUE...IF YOU HAVE USED IT TO PREVENT FAT ACCUMLUATION WITH INSULIN ADMINISTRATION..ALSO, IF YOU COULD OUTLINE YOUR SPECIFIC INSULIN PROTOCOL

(i didnt mean for the caps lock)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Stavios on July 02, 2008, 08:24:43 PM
MILOS WHEN YOU COME BACK I AM INTERESTED IN THE CAFFIEN ISSUE...IF YOU HAVE USED IT TO PREVENT FAT ACCUMLUATION WITH INSULIN ADMINISTRATION..ALSO, IF YOU COULD OUTLINE YOUR SPECIFIC INSULIN PROTOCOL

(i didnt mean for the caps lock)

Milos will never ever give out his specifid insulin protocol.

like he always says, he prefer to teach people how to fish rather than to give them a fish.

and I pretty much agree with that since anyway, people pay him to know his protocols, why would he give them out for free on the boards ?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on July 02, 2008, 10:07:40 PM
i would like an answer to my question if possible, or a link to a study that would explain it. :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 02, 2008, 10:28:01 PM
i would like an answer to my question if possible, or a link to a study that would explain it. :)

Hi Kung-Fu Panda...or just Fat (?) Panda...?

Would you like it - immediately, right away, this second...or...some time in the far/near future? ::)


Now, can you also (if possible?) THINK before you ask the question - so I don't have to answer: "grass is green, sky is blue...and Coach is as fat as Kung-Fu Panda"... ;)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on July 03, 2008, 03:39:52 AM
Hey guys. Chaos invited me to join this thread but I am not sure what is in question?

Well, I am here to possibly answer some questions and certainly not to argue and fight...

Disgusted is someone I respect and like (so far I've seen only the very best from him...) so - if I can contribute here on his thread - I certainly will. At least I'll try. Problem is - that I do work for living...and I can take too many "breaks" (when I visit this board) like I did before...

But, I'll try...

So - what's the question?

Hi Kung-Fu Panda...or just Fat (?) Panda...?

Would you like it - immediately, right away, this second...or...some time in the far/near future? ::)


Now, can you also (if possible?) THINK before you ask the question - so I don't have to answer: "grass is green, sky is blue...and Coach is as fat as Kung-Fu Panda"... ;)

I could say a lot here, but i'll settle for telling you that you were a pro who i admired for various reasons, not lease of all you willingness to help others. I also felt you have kept your dignity when others have went out of their way to insult and ridicule you.

Your response to my question after i asked a perfectly polite and civil question (after you invite questions), does injustice to me, disgusted and the others who have tried to participate in an interesting discussion.

you have went down in my estimation, and while you no doubt don't care one bit about that, you should be aware that you have only highlighted why disgusted gets so much respect around here, while you struggle.

Thanks for nothing.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 03, 2008, 04:08:56 AM
Van, NO - I don't remember your example and a question...Where/when did you ask me that?
Now - I do remember TALKING about VITARGO and I was mentioning POSSIBLE BENEFITS and/or ADVENTAGES over simple monomers, dimers or some polymers when saccharides are in question...but right there you are making obvious mistake:
VITARGO is HIGH MOLECULAR WEIGHT (NOT LOW ::)) glucose polymer and as you mention IF I believed it is superior - why didn't I use it?

I experimented with Vitargo and other GLYCO(mono/di/oligo/poly)MERS with variety of molecular weight/osmolility...And, what I found is that IF sub 75grams servings are used - there is hardly noticeable difference...

While in theory VITARGO and other high molecular weight glucose polymers (waxy maize, cluster-dextrins...) have favorable osmolility and much faster (and therefore beneficial) gastric emptying...in reality THAT IS HARDLY A CASE.
Especially as I said - when amounts of carbs per servings DO NOT EXCEED 75 grams (most commonly 25-50 grams) than I really don't see a reason spending even MORE MONEY on making already expensive product (like my KNS 3 stage hyper-anabolic system).

If reasoning to take any glucose polymer is to get molecule of glucose at the end...than why not just give EXACTLY what body is asking for: a GLUCOSE (or DEXTROSE)...which is rather - dirt cheep!

I would much rather spend my money on HIGH QUALITY AJINOPURE AMINO ACIDS (by far superior to just about any other AA on the supplement market - IMHO) than invest money on VITARGO...If I could color my KNS amino acid bland - I will guaranteely see EXACT COLOR of the muscle fibers of particular trained muscle - which I trained using my BEFORE-DURING-POST KNS shakes...the very next day....

I will also - much rather spend the money on IV solution grade pharmaceutical amino acids (AJINOPURE from Ajinomoto) produced by process of fermentation than some questionable (mostly Chinese...and should I suggest: potentially toxic?) amino acids made out of human hair (as it is industry standard...which nobody talks about it...)...YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT...and IF YOU USE HYPEREMIA ADVANTAGE (as I do - during the training + specific supplementation) that saying becames a FACT!


Ooops - got to go...I'll come back ASAIC...


Alright, thanks for the answer. My bad on the "low", should have been "high molecular weight".   ::) :D
Yes I thought it was probably too expensive to use for a small potential advantage.   

Don't know if there is any difference in the amino acids no matter what it's derived from. Layne Norton, who is an expert, said there is no difference.* I also asked a few big supp companies and they denied using human hair aminos - I think it was just one amino that was commonly made from hair - I think glycine.

*
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showpost.php?p=219820&postcount=112


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 03, 2008, 08:29:26 AM

Alright, thanks for the answer. My bad on the "low", should have been "high molecular weight".   ::) :D
Yes I thought it was probably too expensive to use for a small potential advantage.   

Don't know if there is any difference in the amino acids no matter what it's derived from. Layne Norton, who is an expert, said there is no difference.* I also asked a few big supp companies and they denied using human hair aminos - I think it was just one amino that was commonly made from hair - I think glycine.

*
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showpost.php?p=219820&postcount=112

Van, fair enough...
But, I will suggest that we don't take too much of Disgusting space/thread...and move our conversation on my thread right bellow... ;D

What??? Jim, I said something wrong? ;D...Speak no English excuse doesn't work this time?


Anyway, how is your rash? Getting better?  ;D

*** Reminder *** Keep it positive or your post will be deleted ;D ;D ;D***


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Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 03, 2008, 04:42:55 PM
I could say a lot here, but i'll settle for telling you that you were a pro who i admired for various reasons, not lease of all you willingness to help others. I also felt you have kept your dignity when others have went out of their way to insult and ridicule you.

Your response to my question after i asked a perfectly polite and civil question (after you invite questions), does injustice to me, disgusted and the others who have tried to participate in an interesting discussion.

you have went down in my estimation, and while you no doubt don't care one bit about that, you should be aware that you have only highlighted why disgusted gets so much respect around here, while you struggle.

Thanks for nothing.

 :'( :'( :'(

Sensitive?

Your perfectly polite and civil question? ::)

It didn't occur to you that maybe I don't have commodity of FREE TIME and that I can selectively answer few short questions WHEN time permits?

When I see someone who after asking the question - insists that I have to answer his question as major priority - I put them on the bottom of my list...

Interestingly, you have few "words of choice" and suggest - I am: struggling ;D ;D ;D?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on July 03, 2008, 06:51:24 PM
Van, fair enough...
But, I will suggest that we don't take too much of Disgusting space/thread...and move our conversation on my thread right bellow... ;D

What??? Jim, I said something wrong? ;D...Speak no English excuse doesn't work this time?


Anyway, how is your rash? Getting better?  ;D

*** Reminder *** Keep it positive or your post will be deleted ;D ;D ;D***


*** Reminder *** Keep it positive or your post will be deleted 8) 8) 8)***


*** Reminder *** Keep it positive or your post will be deleted :-* :-* :-****


Play nice Milos, no need for rash discussions. :-X


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: nicky.smth on July 03, 2008, 07:03:32 PM
Milo's or Disgusted...What do you guys recommend to keep muscles full when on a extreme ketogenic diet...Instead of glucose if possible?..Things like creatine, etc? Thanks guys...


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: njflex on July 03, 2008, 07:20:46 PM
Milo's or Disgusted...What do you guys recommend to keep muscles full when on a extreme ketogenic diet...Instead of glucose if possible?..Things like creatine, etc? Thanks guys...
creatine draws water in a different way and not the way u really want it.bloated and watery isn't the same as a full dry thin skinned look with fullness.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: nicky.smth on July 03, 2008, 10:02:17 PM
creatine draws water in a different way and not the way u really want it.bloated and watery isn't the same as a full dry thin skinned look with fullness.

I'm not really going to compete so being bloated isn't a problem..I just want to throw the weights arounds without having to drop poundages to low.. :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 03, 2008, 11:11:05 PM
Damn, finally got that "virus"  ;D under control. Turns out all I needed was some antibiotics.  :P Seriously though, I'm no computer dummy but this sucked.

Panda, Props to your answers to my questions a few pages ago! Ok, it has been so long that I honestly forget what the heck I was supposed to answer sooooo, what was it again that someone asked?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 03, 2008, 11:12:52 PM
Damn, finally got that "virus"  ;D under control. Turns out all I needed was some antibiotics.  :P Seriously though, I'm no computer dummy but this sucked.

Panda, Props to your answers to my questions a few pages ago! Ok, it has been so long that I honestly forget what the heck I was supposed to answer sooooo, what was it again that someone asked?

So whats your thoughts on vince gironda :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 03, 2008, 11:41:48 PM
So whats your thoughts on vince gironda :)

He was the man, a real pioneer on a lot of different training techiques and diet too. Vince was not a big fan of steroids but he also was not stupid and he knew that a lot of the guys who trained in his gym took them. I think that everyone should read up on his theories. You may not agree on everything that he said but I am sure you can learn some valuable info.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 03, 2008, 11:48:51 PM
He was the man, a real pioneer on a lot of different training techiques and diet too. Vince was not a big fan of steroids but he also was not stupid and he knew that a lot of the guys who trained in his gym took them. I think that everyone should read up on his theories. You may not agree on everything that he said but I am sure you can learn some valuable info.

what are some of his methods that you incorporate into your own philosohpies?

And what do u think about his "maximum definition diet"

Breakfast
Eggs (no limit)
Meat (any kind, no limit)

Supplements
1 multi-vitamin tablet
1 Vitamin B complex
1 Vitamin C tablet
1 Vitamin E capsule
1 chelated mineral tablet
1 alfalfa tablet
10 kelp tablets
3 tri-germ and wheat germ oil capsules
3 halibut oil capsules
3 HCL tablets (before meal)
3 digestive enzyme tablets (after meal)
3 lipotropic tablets (250-100 mg choline, inositol, methionine)
10 calcium tablets
1 RNA-DNA tablet
1 niacin tablet
1 oz liquid beef amino acid
3 lysine tablets
3 multi-glandular tablets

Lunch
Same as breakfast

Supplements
1 iron tablet
(same supplements as breakfast with the omission of Vitamin E, tri-germ, wheat germ, and halibut oil capsules.)

Dinner
Same as lunch
*Supplements same as lunch

Special Supplements
10 amino-acid and desiccated liver tablets (every 3 hours)
1 Vitamin C (300mg) plus 5 calcium tablets (every 3 hours)
4 raw orchic-tissue tablets (before bed and after workouts)
5-10 grams of arginine, ornithine (before retiring on an empty stomach)
3-5 grams of trytophan plus 10 calcium tablets (before retiring on an empty stomach)

The above diet works so well for defining muscles because fats are used as a source of fuel for the body. Since it is difficult for the body to convert fat into energy, this results in a loss off your existing body fat. Finally, I recommend that you take a layoff of 3-5 days from all supplements every third week, while abstaining from them one day each week. Also, remember to have a high-carbohydrate meal with no protein every third or fourth day to replenish glycogen to your muscles.

 


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 04, 2008, 12:33:51 AM
In todays world that diet will not get someone extremely ripped, but it is good start. It needs to be modified in some ways to keep the progress going. Back in the day one did not need to get shredded so this diet was all that was needed. I do think that most, but not all the supps he recommends are of worth too. The problem with most guys and trainers who use the low to no carb diets is they do not know how to get that last bit of fat off of someone.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on July 04, 2008, 07:18:37 AM
The problem with most guys and trainers who use the low to no carb diets is they do not know how to get that last bit of fat off of someone.

so....how do you get the last bit of fat of someone on a low carb diet? reduce fat too? :)

vince had a great physique for a natural, heard he was a bit crazy too. no wonder though, living of a diet like that. :D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on July 04, 2008, 07:25:45 AM
Hello disgusted, hope you have a good 4th today

I have a question on my diet: I just finished cutting and i did the keto diet for about 12 weeks...I got lean, but not super ripped. I went from 234 down to 202 at 9% bodyfat and I was able to hold onto my muscle.

This is my current diet right now...my goals are to slowly add muscle and not gain a lot of bodyfat. being i was on keto for 12 weeks i didnt want to start adding tons of carbs right away and overlaod my body:

1)5 omega eggs w/ some salsa, 3/4 cup slow cooked oats, handful of berries
2)50g of VPX low carb protein, handful cashews
3)8 oz chicken, small sweet potoatoe or ezekiel wrap,(like 30g of carbs) veggies, and 2 tbsp organic guacomole(about 12g of fat)
4)pre workout, same as meal 2
5)post workout...3 scoops of universal torrent w/ a nitro pack...then 30 minutes later, 50g beverly muscle provider
6)8 oz of top round steak, 1 cup green veggies............or 8 oz chicken 1 cup green veggies 1.5tbsp natural peanut butter

cheat meal is once per week

cardio is 2-3 times a week for 30 mins post workout
my supps are:
fish oil
evening primrose oil
dessicated liver
amino tabs

do u have any critiques? do u have an opinion of how many carbs i should have per meal?

thanks!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on July 04, 2008, 07:31:51 AM
Hello disgusted, hope you have a good 4th today

I have a question on my diet: I just finished cutting and i did the keto diet for about 12 weeks...I got lean, but not super ripped. I went from 234 down to 202 at 9% bodyfat and I was able to hold onto my muscle.

This is my current diet right now...my goals are to slowly add muscle and not gain a lot of bodyfat. being i was on keto for 12 weeks i didnt want to start adding tons of carbs right away and overlaod my body:

1)5 omega eggs w/ some salsa, 3/4 cup slow cooked oats, handful of berries
2)50g of VPX low carb protein, handful cashews
3)8 oz chicken, small sweet potoatoe or ezekiel wrap,(like 30g of carbs) veggies, and 2 tbsp organic guacomole(about 12g of fat)
4)pre workout, same as meal 2
5)post workout...3 scoops of universal torrent w/ a nitro pack...then 30 minutes later, 50g beverly muscle provider
6)8 oz of top round steak, 1 cup green veggies............or 8 oz chicken 1 cup green veggies 1.5tbsp natural peanut butter

cheat meal is once per week

cardio is 2-3 times a week for 30 mins post workout
my supps are:
fish oil
evening primrose oil
dessicated liver
amino tabs

do u have any critiques? do u have an opinion of how many carbs i should have per meal?

thanks!

natural, have you thought about a tkd type of diet to slowly introduce the carbs back in ( but at the right times when they are sucked up by the muscle)?

i find it works well.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: nicky.smth on July 04, 2008, 07:48:38 AM
In todays world that diet will not get someone extremely ripped, but it is good start. It needs to be modified in some ways to keep the progress going. Back in the day one did not need to get shredded so this diet was all that was needed. I do think that most, but not all the supps he recommends are of worth too. The problem with most guys and trainers who use the low to no carb diets is they do not know how to get that last bit of fat off of someone.

Should they alter there strategy to get that last bit off? When I Low carb i never really hit a sticking point..However, on the other hand i don't get to bodybuilding type levels of bodyfat..


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 04, 2008, 10:48:06 AM
Should they alter there strategy to get that last bit off? When I Low carb i never really hit a sticking point..However, on the other hand i don't get to bodybuilding type levels of bodyfat..

Yes, I find that adding carbs back in a specific times works well. I do not prefer the standard carb rotation which is basically just calorie manipulation not to say that it doesn't work just my preference.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 05, 2008, 03:19:56 PM
Milo's or Disgusted...What do you guys recommend to keep muscles full when on a extreme ketogenic diet...Instead of glucose if possible?..Things like creatine, etc? Thanks guys...

First, if we all understand the real REASON to follow KETOGENIC TYPE OF DIET for bodybuilders and/or realize that DNL (or De Nuovo Lipogenesis) hardly happens in humans ( I know I am opening a can of worms, but - oh well... or maybe better choice of words would be that humans have very limited DNL capacity )- we can structure pretty much the PERFECT DIET where we could simultaneously build muscle and loose fat at the same time...

I've been claiming for almost 3 decades something that I am finally seeing more and more in the literature...and that is that numerous clinical nutritionists recognize that ELIMINATING one kind of energy substrate or system...COULD cause MORE EFFICIENT utilization of remaining one...and whoever pays close attention to details - could very easily realize what steps should be made for someone to take the advantage of the circumstances....

In my case: once I establish metabolism, energy intake and expenditure of my clients - in consideration of their goals I structure the diet program - pretty much for THE REST OF THEIR LIVES...

It is scary to mention how little people think about their nutritional needs...even the very intelligent and/or educated individuals allow themselves to make the statement: Yeah, yeah...I know that I am not eating right...I know that I should have more meals and better nutrition, without skipping meals, with usually no breakfast, shitty lunch...and than "sensible dinner"...I know that I should take my vitamins and minerals rather than cigarettes and alcohol..but...

But what?

Doing the RIGHT THING all the time - is... THE RIGHT THING!

Whatever your nutritional goal is - make sure you understand reasons WHY you are eating certain food in the first place...



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: nicky.smth on July 05, 2008, 06:13:22 PM
Thanks Milos, and Mr Disgusted for the thorough responses..

Mush Appreciated.. 8)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 05, 2008, 10:24:49 PM
Nicky, you may want to give me and example of the diet that you are or have followed. A ketogenic diet seems to have many different meanings depending on the person. The reason I ask is because unless you are coming into the home stretch for a show there is no reason for you to not feel like you are getting a pump.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 06, 2008, 10:08:09 PM
D,

Whats your thoughts on offseason cardio. Do you recommend it? And if so, what are your usual recomendations?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 06, 2008, 10:11:13 PM
D,

Whats your thoughts on offseason cardio. Do you recommend it? And if so, what are your usual recomendations?

I don't recommend it in short. Of course, if you are nothing but a slug who only workouts out say 3 times a week and does very little in the way of moving around  ;D then nothing wrong with getting on the treadmill 3 or 4 times per week for say maybe 20 to 30 min.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 06, 2008, 10:34:24 PM
I don't recommend it in short. Of course, if you are nothing but a slug who only workouts out say 3 times a week and does very little in the way of moving around  ;D then nothing wrong with getting on the treadmill 3 or 4 times per week for say maybe 20 to 30 min.

And what about an offseason MRP shake? do you have any that are good sources of pro/carb and fats?

I have about a million questions to ask you but ill try to keep it to only a few per week :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: webcake on July 06, 2008, 11:00:18 PM
Hi Disgusted or Milos, quick question(s) here...

Im currently cutting, not for a show or anything, just to get down to a more respectable BF %. Im currently following a keto diet (Palumbo) and am doing cardio first thing in the morning.

1. What is your thought on post workout cardio? I want to maybe start doing 2 cardio sessions a day to see how that goes.

2.If i do post workout cardio, should i have a quick whey shake first, then do the cardio, or just do the cardio right after weights? Also, morning cardio is for about 45-50 mins, should post workout cardio be for the same duration as in the morning?

Cheers.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 06, 2008, 11:03:28 PM
Hi Disgusted or Milos, quick question(s) here...

Im currently cutting, not for a show or anything, just to get down to a more respectable BF %. Im currently following a keto diet (Palumbo) and am doing cardio first thing in the morning.

1. What is your thought on post workout cardio? I want to maybe start doing 2 cardio sessions a day to see how that goes.

2.If i do post workout cardio, should i have a quick whey shake first, then do the cardio, or just do the cardio right after weights? Also, morning cardio is for about 45-50 mins, should post workout cardio be for the same duration as in the morning?

Cheers.

u know milos has his own QandA as well :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 06, 2008, 11:03:58 PM
And what about an offseason MRP shake? do you have any that are good sources of pro/carb and fats?

I have about a million questions to ask you but ill try to keep it to only a few per week :)

Nothing special about MRPs. I would only use them when you can not possibly eat a solid meal. I think that Metrx makes a lower sugar one at least they used to and I am sure that others have followed. I would try and find one that is low in sugar and has a good amount of protein and essential fats in it.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 06, 2008, 11:05:56 PM
Nothing special about MRPs. I would only use them when you can not possibly eat a solid meal. I think that Metrex makes a lower sugar one at least they used to and I am sure that others have followed. I would try and find one that is low in sugar and has a good amount of protein and essential fats in it.

What about your own homemade one? Do you have any recipes for a home MRP? I was just thinking when im stuck at work for 16 hours, i know MRP's will come in handy.

And yea I dont like the way the already made ones taste. Id rather do my own.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: webcake on July 06, 2008, 11:07:57 PM
u know milos has his own QandA as well :)

Yeah, i just noticed that Milos was posting in this thread too...

BTW, good work with everything thats happening here on the Positive Board. Great to have Milos and Disgusted here anwsering questions. I mean hell, King was even back posting again :o


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 06, 2008, 11:10:03 PM
Hi Disgusted or Milos, quick question(s) here...

Im currently cutting, not for a show or anything, just to get down to a more respectable BF %. Im currently following a keto diet (Palumbo) and am doing cardio first thing in the morning.

1. What is your thought on post workout cardio? I want to maybe start doing 2 cardio sessions a day to see how that goes.

2.If i do post workout cardio, should i have a quick whey shake first, then do the cardio, or just do the cardio right after weights? Also, morning cardio is for about 45-50 mins, should post workout cardio be for the same duration as in the morning?

Cheers.


Nothing wrong with doing cardio after your workout. You can maybe sip on some whey protein and some carbs if you are doing a long session escpecially if you re training for a show but make sure to account for the cals in your diet. Duration is up to you. If doing 2 sessions per day then I personally like to split the time in half if possible.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 06, 2008, 11:14:42 PM
What about your own homemade one? Do you have any recipes for a home MRP? I was just thinking when im stuck at work for 16 hours, i know MRP's will come in handy.

And yea I dont like the way the already made ones taste. Id rather do my own.

Honestly there are too many options out there and at a good price to bother making your own.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: webcake on July 06, 2008, 11:15:49 PM
Nothing wrong with doing cardio after your workout. You can maybe sip on some whey protein and some carbs if you are doing a long session escpecially if you re training for a show but make sure to account for the cals in your diet. Duration is up to you. If doing 2 sessions per day then I personally like to split the time in half if possible.

Cool, thanks for the quick reply 8)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 06, 2008, 11:17:21 PM
Yeah, i just noticed that Milos was posting in this thread too...

BTW, good work with everything thats happening here on the Positive Board. Great to have Milos and Disgusted here anwsering questions. I mean hell, King was even back posting again :o

Thanx, me and Chaos are working hard on making this the second most popular board on getbig. And the ONLY one to actually talk about bodybuilding with no flaming and namecalling :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 06, 2008, 11:18:51 PM
Honestly there are too many options out there and at a good price to bother making your own.

True, You are indeed the smartest man Ive ever conversed with, so ill take your word.

So just whole food then primarily is best offseason and pre contest??  

And only take shakes if you NEED too?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 06, 2008, 11:25:13 PM
True, You are indeed the smartest man Ive ever conversed with, so ill take your word.

So just whole food then primarily is best offseason and pre contest??  

And only take shakes if you NEED too?

You must not have talked to too many people, but thanks.  ;D Basically yes as far as whole food goes. Don't get me wrong, there are times when MRPs are very convenient to use and there are some good ones out there, but I would not go overboard. Two per day would be max, but on the other side of the coin I have heard of guys who pretty much exist on them at times. I just think that overall whole food is alway superior in the long run.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 06, 2008, 11:31:23 PM
You must not have talked to too many people, but thanks.  ;D Basically yes as far as whole food goes. Don't get me wrong, there are times when MRPs are very convenient to use and there are some good ones out there, but I would not go overboard. Two per day would be max, but on the other side of the coin I have heard of guys who pretty much exist on them at times. I just think that overall whole food is alway superior in the long run.

2 shakes and 3-4 whole food meals a day would be optimal in the offseason then id assume?



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 06, 2008, 11:32:36 PM
2 shakes and 3-4 whole food meals a day would be optimal in the offseason then id assume?



Yep.  :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 06, 2008, 11:36:43 PM
Yep.  :)

nice and it only took me 10 questions to get to the final answer lol.

And thats most likely what ill do 2 mrps and 3-4 whole food meals. Just gotta think about how im going to split the macros but i have a good idea.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on July 07, 2008, 08:24:47 PM
disgusted, whats your opinion on eca use during a tkd type diet?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 08:26:52 PM
disgusted, whats your opinion on eca use during a tkd type diet?

I think its fine. I alway start out sparingly on any kind of CNS product jus to play it safe.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on July 07, 2008, 08:33:43 PM
I think its fine. I alway start out sparingly on any kind of CNS product jus to play it safe.

i find it hard to take any more than 1 a day or i can't sleep.(works great though)

its the only fat loss drug that effects me - clen doesn't effect me ( i have asthma and think my inhaler has made me immune) t3 didn't do anything, even dnp didn't work ( well it did for sides but no fat loss  >:( )


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 08:40:28 PM
i find it hard to take any more than 1 a day or i can't sleep.(works great though)

its the only fat loss drug that effects me - clen doesn't effect me ( i have asthma and think my inhaler has made me immune) t3 didn't do anything, even dnp didn't work ( well it did for sides but no fat loss  >:( )

How much are you taking and what time of the day and when do you get up and go to bed.  ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on July 07, 2008, 08:43:36 PM
How much are you taking and what time of the day and when do you get up and go to bed.  ;D

take it at 8am in the morning with caffeine tab. 33mg eph ( i know weird dosage) and 200mg Caf.

go to bed at around 11pm


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 08:54:21 PM
take it at 8am in the morning with caffeine tab. 33mg eph ( i know weird dosage) and 200mg Caf.

go to bed at around 11pm

Try 20mg eph if possible and take it twice but no later than 1 or 2 pm.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on July 07, 2008, 09:02:20 PM
disgusted what do you think about the whole "androgen receptor downregulation" theories that say that steroids lose their effectiveneess over time..  ???   of course we all know that you will never grow as fast as you do on your first cycle of steroids... and that the bigger you get the slower the pounds come...   BUT, you think there is any accuracy to these calims that you gotta come off in order for steroids to start working again? i mean, most pros are on year round arent they ?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on July 07, 2008, 09:14:51 PM
whats the point of bcaa's?  ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 09:21:37 PM
whats the point of bcaa's?  ;D

Just essential aimnos, nothing wrong with them.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on July 07, 2008, 09:25:16 PM
Just essential aimnos, nothing wrong with them.
don't you get essential amino's in real food, why bother with the cost?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 09:25:37 PM
disgusted what do you think about the whole "androgen receptor downregulation" theories that say that steroids lose their effectiveneess over time..  ???   of course we all know that you will never grow as fast as you do on your first cycle of steroids... and that the bigger you get the slower the pounds come...   BUT, you think there is any accuracy to these calims that you gotta come off in order for steroids to start working again? i mean, most pros are on year round arent they ?

I have seen guys stay on for years and remain huge and then seen them come off for whatever reason. When they get back on they are no bigger or different than before. Now remember, I am not talking about health here. I do believe that your receptors can be made to except more over time.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on July 07, 2008, 09:29:08 PM
I have seen guys stay on for years and remain huge and then seen them come off for whatever reason. When they get back on they are no bigger or different than before. Now remember, I am not talking about health here. I do believe that your receptors can be made to except more over time.
...this is what i wanted to hear  :D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on July 07, 2008, 09:29:15 PM
that was a retorical question  ;D iknow you get them in meat, just wondered if they were worth the extra cost when someone is already on a high protein diet?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 09:29:45 PM
don't you get essential amino's in real food, why bother with the cost?

Yes that is true, but two reasons off top of my head. One, like I said before if you are not able to get to a solid meal at a specific time and two, if you are going to do cardio and want to get in some protein and not a lot of calories that may hinder your workout.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Overload on July 08, 2008, 11:34:19 AM
Jim,

I was reading "Why animals do not have heart attacks...and people do!" and i found it to be a very interesting book.

I haven't read EVERY page word for word but I've skimmed through the entire thing more or less.

Questions.

1. What is the best form of Vit C in your opinion? Apples, oranges...etc.


2. How often should they be eaten and WHEN? Morning, post WO?...etc.


3. Should the Vitamins/minerals be taken with or without food?

Thank you for the book recommendations, i am now reading protein power.

8)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Bobby on July 08, 2008, 01:09:39 PM
Question for both Jim and Milos:

We know that insulin use, injections after a workout gives you high amounts of insulin and that makes bodybuilders grow alot.

1. If one person does not take insulin but has a pwo shake with high simple sugar carbs, like 80g dextrose. Would that spike insulin levels and have similar effects of slin injections? (obviously not as powerful though)

2.
a) Do you think that exogenous insulin use can cause a bigger midsection?
b) If so, do you think spiking your own insulin can cause it too?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 08, 2008, 07:15:20 PM
Jim,

I was reading "Why animals do not have heart attacks...and people do!" and i found it to be a very interesting book.

I haven't read EVERY page word for word but I've skimmed through the entire thing more or less.

Questions.

1. What is the best form of Vit C in your opinion? Apples, oranges...etc.


2. How often should they be eaten and WHEN? Morning, post WO?...etc.


3. Should the Vitamins/minerals be taken with or without food?

Thank you for the book recommendations, i am now reading protein power.

8)

Doesn't matter where you get your C as far as food intake goes but you will not be able to get the amount that I personally think that you will need just from food.

Vit C has a short half life so I take mine twice per day. 4 grams morning and night.

I like to take them with food. you need to build up the dose of Vit C gradually. Too much too quick may cause some diarrhea.

Both those books are awesome books. Glad you like them. Read them both more than once. You will learn something different each time you read them.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 08, 2008, 07:27:31 PM
Question for both Jim and Milos:

We know that insulin use, injections after a workout gives you high amounts of insulin and that makes bodybuilders grow alot.

1. If one person does not take insulin but has a pwo shake with high simple sugar carbs, like 80g dextrose. Would that spike insulin levels and have similar effects of slin injections? (obviously not as powerful though)

2.
a) Do you think that exogenous insulin use can cause a bigger midsection?
b) If so, do you think spiking your own insulin can cause it too?

Question 1 No, the fat storing effects are stronger than the anabolic effects. You MIGHT be able to get a better anabolic effect and a lower fat storing effect by lowering your carb intake but I personally don;t think it all that effective.

Question 2 yes!!!

Question 3 Yes!!!!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: El Guapo on July 09, 2008, 06:28:09 PM
Doesn't matter where you get your C as far as food intake goes but you will not be able to get the amount that I personally think that you will need just from food.

Vit C has a short half life so I take mine twice per day. 4 grams morning and night.

I like to take them with food. you need to build up the dose of Vit C gradually. Too much too quick may cause some diarrhea.

Both those books are awesome books. Glad you like them. Read them both more than once. You will learn something different each time you read them.

Hey jim what brand do you use for your vit c? What other vitamins do you take?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 09, 2008, 06:43:07 PM
Yo Disgustarino!

What are your thoughts on zinc and magnesium supplementation. Ive always argued that they are two of the most important minerals for bodybuilders to take (since most hard training athletes are deficient in both) . What do u think?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 09, 2008, 08:11:09 PM
Yo Disgustarino!

What are your thoughts on zinc and magnesium supplementation. Ive always argued that they are two of the most important minerals for bodybuilders to take (since most hard training athletes are deficient in both) . What do u think?

zinc from a multi and a good cal mag D supplelemt is good enough.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: DIALEDIN on July 10, 2008, 10:16:50 AM
Very true, i was wrong to assume that. But i would only hope that you would be able to put on more muscle if your putting on 70lbs in an offseason like LunchTrey did :)

So what your telling me is that its better to stay lean in the offseason while gaining size so you dont have to diet your ass off and suffer to diet down for a contest?


Why dont you go back to the Opinions section with your wise ass comments about Trey - this area is for "Positive" posts.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: ripitupbaby on July 10, 2008, 11:00:49 AM
Why dont you go back to the Opinions section with your wise ass comments about Trey - this area is for "Positive" posts.


Hi Trey!   :D


Disgusted, I have a question.  I am prepping for the North Americans, and I am about seven weeks out right now.  I'm weighing about 128 pounds, trying to make the LWs at 115.  Typically, I do morning cardio on an empty stomach, then I eat breakfast, work all day, do a second cardio session as soon as work is done, have a protein shake or small meal, and go to the gym at night to lift about 5 times a week.  Then I have another small meal after weight training.

I'm struggling with recovery and fatigue, and I have just loaded up on pretty much the only supplements that I think are worth taking - glutamine and BCAAs.  How much would you recommend I take, how often, and when should I take them?  The glutamine is in powder form, and the BCAAs are caps.




Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on July 10, 2008, 11:10:37 AM

Hi Trey!   :D


Disgusted, I have a question.  I am prepping for the North Americans, and I am about seven weeks out right now.  I'm weighing about 128 pounds, trying to make the LWs at 115.  Typically, I do morning cardio on an empty stomach, then I eat breakfast, work all day, do a second cardio session as soon as work is done, have a protein shake or small meal, and go to the gym at night to lift about 5 times a week.  Then I have another small meal after weight training.

I'm struggling with recovery and fatigue, and I have just loaded up on pretty much the only supplements that I think are worth taking - glutamine and BCAAs.  How much would you recommend I take, how often, and when should I take them?  The glutamine is in powder form, and the BCAAs are caps.




BE careful of your BCAA timining.  I learned the hard way that taking BCAAs before bed can actually affect your sleep.  I quit and now sleep a lot better.  As for recovery and fatigue, NAP.  Seriously.  you sound like you're on the go from the minute you wake up until bed time.  Find time to take an hour nap midday.  It'll get you through the afternoon a lot better.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: ripitupbaby on July 10, 2008, 11:22:11 AM
BE careful of your BCAA timining.  I learned the hard way that taking BCAAs before bed can actually affect your sleep.  I quit and now sleep a lot better.  As for recovery and fatigue, NAP.  Seriously.  you sound like you're on the go from the minute you wake up until bed time.  Find time to take an hour nap midday.  It'll get you through the afternoon a lot better.


Interesting... that's why I am wondering when and how often I should take the BCAAs.  I didn't mention that I do also take ZMA before bed, along with Palumbo's fat burner, which has melatonin in it.  I also won't hesitate to take a xanax before bed if I feel like I can't sleep because it's so critical that I actually do sleep for the 6-7 hours that I am able to get some rest.

Napping is a total luxury, and I am jealous of anyone who can afford the time to do it.   :P



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on July 10, 2008, 11:24:15 AM

Interesting... that's why I am wondering when and how often I should take the BCAAs.  I didn't mention that I do also take ZMA before bed, along with Palumbo's fat burner, which has melatonin in it.  I also won't hesitate to take a xanax before bed if I feel like I can't sleep because it's so critical that I actually do sleep for the 6-7 hours that I am able to get some rest.

Napping is a total luxury, and I am jealous of anyone who can afford the time to do it.   :P


i know a few guys who are at the top of the posrt who take bcaa's before bed , doesnt effect their sleep...

but then again, these guys normally do so with a couple hitz from the bong and some melatonin and a high carb junk food meal as well  ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on July 10, 2008, 11:49:51 AM

Interesting... that's why I am wondering when and how often I should take the BCAAs.  I didn't mention that I do also take ZMA before bed, along with Palumbo's fat burner, which has melatonin in it.  I also won't hesitate to take a xanax before bed if I feel like I can't sleep because it's so critical that I actually do sleep for the 6-7 hours that I am able to get some rest.

Napping is a total luxury, and I am jealous of anyone who can afford the time to do it.   :P



Are yout alking about somalyze species stuff?  How'd find it?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: ripitupbaby on July 10, 2008, 11:59:15 AM
Are yout alking about somalyze species stuff?  How'd find it?


Yes, Somalyze at night and Lipolyze during the day.  I've been on it for several weeks now. 
I find that it definitely works, but it dries me out something fierce, so I only take 2/3 the recommended dosage for both the day and the night formulas.  I am thirsty all the time and peeing all the time, so I sometimes wonder about the potential impact on my kidneys, but I don't plan on staying on it for much longer.  I may phase it out over the next 2-3 weeks and replace it with something else before the show.  I also had some stomach problems at first, but my system seems to have adjusted to it now. 


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: ajcuts015 on July 10, 2008, 02:59:59 PM
Disgusted great to have you with this Q&A section !! What do you feel are the best carbs to carb up on leading into a show say if your following the 3 day deplete 3 day load protocol . If I dieted down on Oatmeal , Sweet Potatoes , Red Potatoes , and Brown Rice cakes would it be smart to use those or go with a quicker acting source such as white rice or white rice cakes , banana's , natural jelly , honey etc and even waxy maize possibly the first two days to fill out better or do you feel since your body's not used to those carbs it might backfire ?   What do you feel is the most effective way to carb up and really dry up the last week not using insulin by the way not asking for a complete layout just as far as what are the best carbs in your opinon ? Thanks in advance for any response !


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 10, 2008, 06:02:53 PM
Why dont you go back to the Opinions section with your wise ass comments about Trey - this area is for "Positive" posts.

Yea ill use my MOD key to delete my own post.  ::)

And there is nothing wrong with what i wrote, its the truth, the guy put on 70-80lbs in the year he took off then competed again one and a half years later fifteen pounds lighter. Its the truth! And the truth shall set you free  ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 10, 2008, 06:50:34 PM

Hi Trey!   :D


Disgusted, I have a question.  I am prepping for the North Americans, and I am about seven weeks out right now.  I'm weighing about 128 pounds, trying to make the LWs at 115.  Typically, I do morning cardio on an empty stomach, then I eat breakfast, work all day, do a second cardio session as soon as work is done, have a protein shake or small meal, and go to the gym at night to lift about 5 times a week.  Then I have another small meal after weight training.

I'm struggling with recovery and fatigue, and I have just loaded up on pretty much the only supplements that I think are worth taking - glutamine and BCAAs.  How much would you recommend I take, how often, and when should I take them?  The glutamine is in powder form, and the BCAAs are caps.




Just IMHO Lori, and ill let jim answer this. But I think, that if you did the same schedule but just did your cardio after you lifted instead of doing cardio, then eating, then lifting. You wouldnt be so tired. Your physically exerting yourself three times a day, and on restricted calories. This might be why your so tired.

And with the bcaa's Id take 5 grams before training, 10 grams during training, and 5 grams after. But ill let Jim answer this  ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 10, 2008, 07:49:33 PM

Hi Trey!   :D


Disgusted, I have a question.  I am prepping for the North Americans, and I am about seven weeks out right now.  I'm weighing about 128 pounds, trying to make the LWs at 115.  Typically, I do morning cardio on an empty stomach, then I eat breakfast, work all day, do a second cardio session as soon as work is done, have a protein shake or small meal, and go to the gym at night to lift about 5 times a week.  Then I have another small meal after weight training.

I'm struggling with recovery and fatigue, and I have just loaded up on pretty much the only supplements that I think are worth taking - glutamine and BCAAs.  How much would you recommend I take, how often, and when should I take them?  The glutamine is in powder form, and the BCAAs are caps.




I don't think that any of this is a factor as far as how you feel. I would need more info to determine why you feel that way you do. Most likely it is the overall workload that you are following on a daily basis. I would try for an extra 1/2 hour to an hour sleep per night and see how you feel.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 10, 2008, 07:56:14 PM
Disgusted great to have you with this Q&A section !! What do you feel are the best carbs to carb up on leading into a show say if your following the 3 day deplete 3 day load protocol . If I dieted down on Oatmeal , Sweet Potatoes , Red Potatoes , and Brown Rice cakes would it be smart to use those or go with a quicker acting source such as white rice or white rice cakes , banana's , natural jelly , honey etc and even waxy maize possibly the first two days to fill out better or do you feel since your body's not used to those carbs it might backfire ?   What do you feel is the most effective way to carb up and really dry up the last week not using insulin by the way not asking for a complete layout just as far as what are the best carbs in your opinon ? Thanks in advance for any response !

I get this question all the time and to be honest IF you are lean enough the best thing to do is pretty much stay on the protocol that got you that way. Too many guys fuck things up at the last minute. Happens all the time, you see a guy looking awesome one week out and then looks flat as a pancake the day of the show. Forget all this carbing up bs and stick to what you know your body reacts to in a positive.

Now, without knowing exactly what you are doing you may just be able to "slighty" increase your carbs say the last couple of days before the show, but be careful and stick the the carbs you react to well. Also, DO NOT cut your water until just a few hours before the show. Also you need to take into account that you are not doing any cardio the last couple of days before a show soooooo sticking to the same amounts of carbs is the same as carbing up too since you are expending less energy since most guys just lay around in their hotel room the last days. See what I mean about not being able to tell you exactly what to do?  ;D Are you even more confused now?   I am.  >:(


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: TooPowerful4u on July 10, 2008, 10:04:45 PM

Ill throw in some pix from when Disgusted helped me little over 3yrs ago.  He didnt prep me with my diet (i didnt come in lean enough and was kinda small as i made myself lose muscle to make light heavies)....but he saw me asking questions 4 days out and helped me dry out.....didnt do too bad a job eh?



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: TooPowerful4u on July 10, 2008, 10:05:29 PM
I was spilling at this point as it was 1am in the morning after the show....i was DRIER



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 10, 2008, 10:31:42 PM
u got any pix of what u looked like before jim helped u out?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: TooPowerful4u on July 11, 2008, 12:28:02 AM
u got any pix of what u looked like before jim helped u out?

Like i said, he didnt do my diet.  Just helped me fill out and dry out.  Honestly, if he did my diet i probably would have been leaner!  I still had some fat in my lower back and ham/glute tie-in.  As you can see, im as dry and hard as i could be at that bodyfat%....just needed to be bigger and leaner.  It was the Atlantic States.... i had 22 guys in my weight class alone and i took 3rd (winner of my class almost took overall to a freak HWT).  The guy who took 2nd in my class took i think 5th in Nationals last year. 


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: ripitupbaby on July 11, 2008, 06:48:50 AM
LOL OK well OF COURSE the easiest solution would be to add more time in the day and sleep another 30 mins or hour every night, but that's not going to happen! 

This is my fourth year of contest prep, so I pretty much have my schedule set as good as I can, given everything else going on in my life.  My husband races motorcycles and needs all of the daylight hours in the summertime, so we end up going to the gym in the later part of the evening, and I have no choice but to get my cardio done earlier or else I would be up doing cardio at 11 o'clock every night.  It's either do it this way or don't do contest prep at all.  :)

So having said that, when do you think would be the best time to take glutamine and BCAAs, and how much?  Or do you think I just wasted my money on these supps?

Thanks. :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 11, 2008, 08:50:33 AM
LOL OK well OF COURSE the easiest solution would be to add more time in the day and sleep another 30 mins or hour every night, but that's not going to happen! 

This is my fourth year of contest prep, so I pretty much have my schedule set as good as I can, given everything else going on in my life.  My husband races motorcycles and needs all of the daylight hours in the summertime, so we end up going to the gym in the later part of the evening, and I have no choice but to get my cardio done earlier or else I would be up doing cardio at 11 o'clock every night.  It's either do it this way or don't do contest prep at all.  :)

So having said that, when do you think would be the best time to take glutamine and BCAAs, and how much?  Or do you think I just wasted my money on these supps?

Thanks. :)


I don't think that you are wasting your money, but I really don't think that it matters when you take it. With that being said I would recommend you take for your weight 5 grams of glutamine and for the BC go 500 mgs 2 to 3 times daily.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: ripitupbaby on July 11, 2008, 09:04:59 AM
I don't think that you are wasting your money, but I really don't think that it matters when you take it. With that being said I would recommend you take for your weight 5 grams of glutamine and for the BC go 500 mgs 2 to 3 times daily.


Awesome, thanks! 

This is a great thread... thanks for taking the time.  :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 11, 2008, 09:19:24 AM

Awesome, thanks! 

This is a great thread... thanks for taking the time.  :)


 :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 12, 2008, 04:23:12 PM
Question 1 No, the fat storing effects are stronger than the anabolic effects. You MIGHT be able to get a better anabolic effect and a lower fat storing effect by lowering your carb intake but I personally don;t think it all that effective.

Question 2 yes!!!

Question 3 Yes!!!!

Can you elaborate on YES for second question?
How exactly does that (physiologically) happen?
I was asked the same question and my answer was (and still is) NO! ;)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 12, 2008, 04:26:50 PM
Question for both Jim and Milos:

We know that insulin use, injections after a workout gives you high amounts of insulin and that makes bodybuilders grow alot.

1. If one person does not take insulin but has a pwo shake with high simple sugar carbs, like 80g dextrose. Would that spike insulin levels and have similar effects of slin injections? (obviously not as powerful though)

2.
a) Do you think that exogenous insulin use can cause a bigger midsection?
b) If so, do you think spiking your own insulin can cause it too?

1. YES
2a. NO
2b. NO

Now I am answering those questions with consideration that person does WHAT IS RIGHT THING TO DO with insulin, carbs, protein...etc...
Otherwise, if I would answer the same questions considering IF someone does STUPID things while taking insulin, carbs...etc - answer would be different...


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 12, 2008, 06:58:31 PM
Can you elaborate on YES for second question?
How exactly does that (physiologically) happen?
I was asked the same question and my answer was (and still is) NO! ;)

Yes, butt  ;D I am going to watch a movie now sooooo will get back you on this.  8)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 12, 2008, 06:59:53 PM
1. YES
2a. NO
2b. NO

Now I am answering those questions with consideration that person does WHAT IS RIGHT THING TO DO with insulin, carbs, protein...etc...
Otherwise, if I would answer the same questions considering IF someone does STUPID things while taking insulin, carbs...etc - answer would be different...


Hmmm,, you may have answered your own question. If someone can do the right thing as you say then I guess it is a non issue, but I will clarify, after the movie.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 12, 2008, 09:53:43 PM
Jim just to let u know. This is probably the best thread on getbig !!! Thanx

What movie did u watch?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: J-boy on July 13, 2008, 12:00:29 PM
Jim what do you think of carb loading,,,,,,,,and dropping?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 13, 2008, 12:24:52 PM
Jim just to let u know. This is probably the best thread on getbig !!! Thanx

What movie did u watch?

I watched Beerfest. Wasn't too bad. I thought Gunter played his role well.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 13, 2008, 12:28:10 PM
I watched Beerfest. Wasn't too bad. I thought Gunter played his role well.

yea it had its funny parts. and gunter wasnt too bad.  i personally enjoyed super troopers better though.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 13, 2008, 12:42:57 PM
Jim what do you think of carb loading,,,,,,,,and dropping?

Well, carb dropping is usually something that is needed more than carb loading. I don't like to carbload my guys, at least in the traditional sense. I feel that it is too inaccurate. If you are taking insulin then maybe it is warrented to a degree and maybe you can get away with it depending on your metabolism. I have seen way to many guys look like crap from experimenting with carbloading.

Although I have a basic guideline that I follow I treat each person as an individual when it comes to the last 10 days before a show. IF I have been training them all along then it is a lot easier. If not, then it makes it a little tougher to do although its usually doable if not too close to a show.

You have too remember that the average adult male can store roughly 375 to 475 grams of carbs thru out the body of which roughly 325 grams is stored in the muscle. The rest is in the liver and blood. If you try and go beyond this even while using insulin then you spill over!! There are so many factors involved when carbing up there is NO WAY to accurately "guess" as to when this spill over will happen. I don't care if you were at a hospital and getting blood work done every 10 minutes. The body is in a constant flux and it is impossible to know what will happen from one minute to the next.

Throw in diuretics and other factors and you have a recipe for disaster. Another thing to keep in mind is that everytime you take a drug such as a diuretic or too many carbs or too much sodium ect. your body is constantly trying to maintain a normal balance of all your bodily functions such as sodium and potassium levels, blood glucose ect. So in essence you are fighting against yourself. YOUR BODY DOES NOT CARE HOW IT LOOKS ONLY THAT IT KEEPS ALL THESE LEVELS IN A NORMAL BALANCE!!!!!! So the bottom line is you are fucking with something you have little control over and 99.9% of the time will fail at the goal you are trying to achieve IE: that ripped dry full look. Bet yor sorry you asked me now.  ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Bobby on July 13, 2008, 03:49:07 PM
1. YES
2a. NO
2b. NO

Now I am answering those questions with consideration that person does WHAT IS RIGHT THING TO DO with insulin, carbs, protein...etc...
Otherwise, if I would answer the same questions considering IF someone does STUPID things while taking insulin, carbs...etc - answer would be different...

1. What is the right and wrong thing to do?

2. What do you think causes enlarged midsections? insulin + 'the wrong things' or something else?

3. What is the best way(s) to get similar effects of slin thru food manipulation? (no injections) and is there a limit to how much simple sugars one can use PWO before it has negative effects?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 15, 2008, 08:57:42 AM
Yes, butt  ;D I am going to watch a movie now sooooo will get back you on this.  8)

What was the movie? King Camel and his Toe nail?  :-X


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 15, 2008, 08:59:35 AM
What was the movie? King Camel and his Toe nail?  :-X

Sorry...I just saw your post...Beerfest?
I am curious about Gunter's acting ability...I believe he could be really good...Just like Roland...


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 15, 2008, 12:03:25 PM
Sorry...I just saw your post...Beerfest?
I am curious about Gunter's acting ability...I believe he could be really good...Just like Roland...

He was pretty good. I woud think hat he could get some other roles. His accent may hold him back a bit though, unless he took some Arnold type roles.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 20, 2008, 12:00:31 AM
JM,

Go see The Dark Knight, its bad ass!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 20, 2008, 12:14:10 PM
So when Ronnie says in this video he goes six days of "low carbs" and one day of "high carbs"....Does that one day of high carbs just mean the day that he takes insulin for that week???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSTyqH8SJ6o


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 20, 2008, 07:27:33 PM
So when Ronnie says in this video he goes six days of "low carbs" and one day of "high carbs"....Does that one day of high carbs just mean the day that he takes insulin for that week???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSTyqH8SJ6o

Not really enough info to know for sure. Although Chad supossedly liked to use slin only one day per week. Some guys may not count slin meals as carb meals so when they say low carb day they may mean that other than their slin meals it's low carb.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 20, 2008, 09:01:56 PM
Not really enough info to know for sure. Although Chad supossedly liked to use slin only one day per week. Some guys may not count slin meals as carb meals so when they say low carb day they may mean that other than their slin meals it's low carb.
k makes sense, but yea i asked because i know that chad likes to do only one insulin day during the week.

But im curious, what would be the advantages to that?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 20, 2008, 10:24:08 PM
k makes sense, but yea i asked because i know that chad likes to do only one insulin day during the week.

But im curious, what would be the advantages to that?

Use of very fast acting Humalog done morning noon and night after training once or twice per week at max., done on leg and back day. Done this way to control insulin sensitivity. Theory is to hit it hard 3 times per day then stop so as not to build up a tolerance to it's effects.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 20, 2008, 10:30:19 PM
Use of very fast acting Humalog done morning noon and night after training once or twice per week at max., done on leg and back day. Done this way to control insulin sensitivity. Theory is to hit it hard 3 times per day then stop so as not to build up a tolerance to it's effects.

speakin of insulin, whats your thoughts on glucose disposal agents such as chromium, vanadyl, rala, and others?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 20, 2008, 10:53:51 PM
speakin of insulin, whats your thoughts on glucose disposal agents such as chromium, vanadyl, rala, and others?

Not worth it.  :(


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 20, 2008, 11:00:28 PM
Not worth it.  :(

FUCK IT! I think im going to go and slam 5 cups of rice tomorrow and some humalog!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: bigdarksnake on July 23, 2008, 02:46:42 PM
Thanks in advance Disgusted.

1.  What number of calories over maintenance levels (where you are not gaining or losing weight) should a natural bodybuilder go to, to gain mass without gaining too much fat? Lets say my maintenance calories are 3,000.

2.  Should a natural bodybuilder go on a "bulking" phase for maximum results (eating crazy amounts of calories, and disregarding the fat gain)? Or should a natty just go slightly over maintenance so he doesn't gain too much fat?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 23, 2008, 08:20:32 PM
Jim thinking about doing this after my current dieting is over.

Keeping my protein intake adequate, keeping the fat levels up, and only eating carbs on the days that I train post workout and at breakfast, or at post workout only. Or would you have carbs everyday?? The carbs would be from good carb sources only, oats, rice, grits, berries, etc.

Also adding in a cheat meal about every 4 days or so to keep me happy :)

What do u think of this approach, im trying to stay lean as possible while still adding on muscle.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 23, 2008, 08:40:23 PM
Thanks in advance Disgusted.

1.  What number of calories over maintenance levels (where you are not gaining or losing weight) should a natural bodybuilder go to, to gain mass without gaining too much fat? Lets say my maintenance calories are 3,000.

2.  Should a natural bodybuilder go on a "bulking" phase for maximum results (eating crazy amounts of calories, and disregarding the fat gain)? Or should a natty just go slightly over maintenance so he doesn't gain too much fat?

It's never a good idea no matter natural or not to get fat in the off season!!! I really don't think that you need to count cals. At least not for that majority of people. Most people have a good idea how much food that they can eat without getting fat and why not since most people have been eating for years.  ;D Should be an expert by now. I like a diet high in protein say lean red meat, eggs fish turkey chicken cottage cheese. Then some carbs from rice yams oats potatoes but be careful how many carbs. Play around with them and only  eat as many as you need to fuel your workouts and sustain gains but not enough to make you fat. Start with say 250 grams per day and go from there.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 23, 2008, 08:43:30 PM
Jim thinking about doing this after my current dieting is over.

Keeping my protein intake adequate, keeping the fat levels up, and only eating carbs on the days that I train post workout and at breakfast, or at post workout only. Or would you have carbs everyday?? The carbs would be from good carb sources only, oats, rice, grits, berries, etc.

Also adding in a cheat meal about every 4 days or so to keep me happy :)

What do u think of this approach, im trying to stay lean as possible while still adding on muscle.

It really sounds like a good approach. I think that you personally may do well to limit you carbs on certain days depending on your daily activities. A preworkout drink of say maltodextrin and some whey protein would be a good idea. Maybe 50 grams of malto and 30 to 40 grams whey.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 23, 2008, 08:49:45 PM
Ok so dont go no carbs on the days I dont workout. But just limit them?? Like some oats or grits for breakfast, maybe a lil' berries as well??

The reason I ask, i want to stay, I CAN SEE MY ABS LEAN, all year around. That way whenever I do diet, it wont fuckin suck.

Also Im still thinkin bout doing cardio 2-3 days a week, or is that overkill? And should I just lower carbs if i feel myself getting fatter than i want to be?

And lastly, I totally agree about counting protein and whatnot, just eat protein with every meal, it healthy fats, and time your carbs properly and I think everyone will be alright. I dont really think overeating is a problem. But overeating of shitty food is. If people ate all the chicken, fish, steak and spinach/broccoli that they wanted, i doubt that they'd be fat.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 23, 2008, 09:14:50 PM
Ok so dont go no carbs on the days I dont workout. But just limit them?? Like some oats or grits for breakfast, maybe a lil' berries as well??

The reason I ask, i want to stay, I CAN SEE MY ABS LEAN, all year around. That way whenever I do diet, it wont fuckin suck.

Also Im still thinkin bout doing cardio 2-3 days a week, or is that overkill? And should I just lower carbs if i feel myself getting fatter than i want to be?

And lastly, I totally agree about counting protein and whatnot, just eat protein with every meal, it healthy fats, and time your carbs properly and I think everyone will be alright. I dont really think overeating is a problem. But overeating of shitty food is. If people ate all the chicken, fish, steak and spinach/broccoli that they wanted, i doubt that they'd be fat.

Sounds like you are getting the hang of this.  ;D 2-3 days of cardio a week is not too much. Bout 30 min sessions wouls be fine.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 23, 2008, 09:19:07 PM
Sounds like you are getting the hang of this.  ;D 2-3 days of cardio a week is not too much. Bout 30 min sessions wouls be fine.

haha, I didnt get a Bachelors in Kinesiology and Health for no reason haha.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: candidizzle on July 24, 2008, 08:42:39 AM
i do 20-45 mins post workout cardio every workout regardless of shredding or gaining.  :) and IMO it is very beneficial in both stages. helps me grow, and helps me lean out.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: bigdarksnake on July 24, 2008, 08:52:47 AM
Thanks Disgusted.



It's never a good idea no matter natural or not to get fat in the off season!!! I really don't think that you need to count cals. At least not for that majority of people. Most people have a good idea how much food that they can eat without getting fat and why not since most people have been eating for years.  ;D Should be an expert by now. I like a diet high in protein say lean red meat, eggs fish turkey chicken cottage cheese. Then some carbs from rice yams oats potatoes but be careful how many carbs. Play around with them and only  eat as many as you need to fuel your workouts and sustain gains but not enough to make you fat. Start with say 250 grams per day and go from there.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Bobby on July 24, 2008, 02:05:53 PM
what does better insulin sensitivity really mean and how do you benefit from it?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: webcake on July 25, 2008, 12:53:33 AM
Disgusted, you may have already anwsered this, but what is your thoughts/opinions on the Palumbo diet?

Im currently on it and am finding it effective and feel pretty good on it too. Strength hasn't dropped off too much at all.

Im just doing it to get leaner (no show or anything), and am down 16lbs and 5 inches off the waistline so far.

Its just i always hear mixed reports on it. People saying you need to have the carbs, and once you finish dieting you will put it back on again...


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: AVBG on July 25, 2008, 03:54:12 AM
Hey JM,
what are your thoughts on fat loading as opposed to carb loading prior to a show? I remember Rhino blaming carb loading for his ordinary condition/placing at the pdi noc a while back.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 25, 2008, 07:11:19 PM
Hey JM,
what are your thoughts on fat loading as opposed to carb loading prior to a show? I remember Rhino blaming carb loading for his ordinary condition/placing at the pdi noc a while back.

Rhino did too many diuretics and  prob ate too many carbs too. I am not a fan of fat looading either.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 25, 2008, 09:07:58 PM
Disgusted,

Getbiggers want to know.

Who are the most famous people that you've GURU'D for???

We all know King Kamali, anybody else?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: njflex on July 26, 2008, 07:48:22 PM
Rhino did too many diuretics and  prob ate too many carbs too. I am not a fan of fat looading either.
gym body and stage body,he's the 1st category.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 28, 2008, 01:22:48 PM
Disgusted,

Getbiggers want to know.

Who are the most famous people that you've GURU'D for???

We all know King Kamali, anybody else?

As you already know,  ;D I trained Betty Pariso for the Arnold Classic in 2006. She got 5th place as I recall and the girl on the left I think won it. I also trained  IFBB Figure pro Stephanie Collins since she was an amateur and I trained IFBB Fitness Pro Tracey Greenwood for her NY Pro win,  I believe it was in 2006.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 28, 2008, 04:19:42 PM
As you already know,  ;D I trained Betty Pariso for the Arnold Classic in 2006. She got 5th place as I recall and the girl on the left I think won it. I also trained  IFBB Figure pro Stephanie Collins since she was an amateur and I trained IFBB Fitness Pro Tracey Greenwood for her NY Pro win,  I believe it was in 2006.
Damn, Betty looked amazing. I cant believe shes old enough to be my grandmother haha.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Krankenstein on July 28, 2008, 09:54:17 PM
So let me get this right...a few pages back I believe you mentioned you dont like the carb cycling.  Do you feel that its just not very effective?  I am curious because I am about seven weeks out from a show...and thats been my typical way of dieting.  I am hoping to come in as shredded as Brian Whitacre looked in his pics. 

Also....if you were supplementing with glutamine and BCAA's....do you count them towards your daily protein intake?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on July 31, 2008, 08:18:39 PM
So let me get this right...a few pages back I believe you mentioned you dont like the carb cycling.  Do you feel that its just not very effective?  I am curious because I am about seven weeks out from a show...and thats been my typical way of dieting.  I am hoping to come in as shredded as Brian Whitacre looked in his pics. 

Also....if you were supplementing with glutamine and BCAA's....do you count them towards your daily protein intake?

I will assume when you say carb cycling that you are talking about the conventional way that most people do which is high and low days. this is nothing more than calorie cycling. It's OK but I do things differently. i

I do not count the two items that you mentioned.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Rampage on August 28, 2008, 05:10:13 AM
Hey disgusted , one wuick question i need urgently answered...

Its not good to train when you sick right ?with weights ...

But is it ok to do cardio whilst sick ???

asap pls....


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: BigAnt on August 31, 2008, 01:43:51 PM
Disgusted;

I know you can't tell eveything about King's prep...but, please consider a rough dry run for the last 4 days.

And what foods would you consider the best pre-contest foods...without really knowing a bodybuilder.

Thank you!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on September 01, 2008, 08:22:17 PM
Hey disgusted , one wuick question i need urgently answered...

Its not good to train when you sick right ?with weights ...

But is it ok to do cardio whilst sick ???

asap pls....

Sorry for the delay. I would say no BUT if you feel well enough it's OK.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on September 01, 2008, 08:27:36 PM
Disgusted;

I know you can't tell eveything about King's prep...but, please consider a rough dry run for the last 4 days.

And what foods would you consider the best pre-contest foods...without really knowing a bodybuilder.

Thank you!

To be honest when I train someone even though I have a rough idea what will be done I usually go with how that certain individual is responding and make the necessary changes as need be. If you have some specific question feel free to ask.

In general I do not carb up and on rare occasions that I do somewhat of a carb up I am very conservative. I just stick with lean red meat chicken fish turkey ect. Carbs would be rice yams oats and such. I have found that rice is not always tolerated by quite a few people so I may use oats instead or yams, but again I do not do the standard carb up.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: BigAnt on September 12, 2008, 07:39:09 PM
Jim;

Great job with King...wish you both the best!

What other male IFBB Pros have you worked with>?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on September 13, 2008, 07:27:56 AM
Jim;

Great job with King...wish you both the best!

What other male IFBB Pros have you worked with>?


Thanks  bro. King is the only male pro.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: OTHstrong on September 14, 2008, 11:12:25 AM
Ive talked to you before without actually knowing how good your rep is around here so thanks for all the positive advise you've been giving., so if you have time can you check out the thread on Luke Wood and please give us your opinion on what happened to him, cause he looked fantastic 8 weeks out and what he showed sat. was truly mind boggling, an oipinion would be appriciated.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on September 14, 2008, 11:26:46 AM
Ive talked to you before without actually knowing how good your rep is around here so thanks for all the positive advise you've been giving., so if you have time can you check out the thread on Luke Wood and please give us your opinion on what happened to him, cause he looked fantastic 8 weeks out and what he showed sat. was truly mind boggling, an oipinion would be appriciated.
Those pics are actually from Aug 31, not 8 weeks. I saw him when he arrived at The Koloseum, he was huge and shredded two weeks out, couldn't hold the conditioning for that long I guess. Maybe Disgusted could give a better idea of what he could have done to keep it. IMO, he just peaked two weeks too early.....disgusted, what do you think?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: AVBG on September 14, 2008, 12:11:03 PM
Those pics are actually from Aug 31, not 8 weeks. I saw him when he arrived at The Koloseum, he was huge and shredded two weeks out, couldn't hold the conditioning for that long I guess. Maybe Disgusted could give a better idea of what he could have done to keep it. IMO, he just peaked two weeks too early.....disgusted, what do you think?

 I believe its true chaos...Contest prep particularly the last week is a lot less complicated for the drug free. I know Luke struggles when on the gear closer to a contest, it really doesn't agree with him at all.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: OTHstrong on September 14, 2008, 02:05:08 PM
Those pics are actually from Aug 31, not 8 weeks. I saw him when he arrived at The Koloseum, he was huge and shredded two weeks out, couldn't hold the conditioning for that long I guess. Maybe Disgusted could give a better idea of what he could have done to keep it. IMO, he just peaked two weeks too early.....disgusted, what do you think?
What? 2 weeks out, how could he have messed up that badly. man thats crazy ???


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on September 14, 2008, 07:29:20 PM
Ive talked to you before without actually knowing how good your rep is around here so thanks for all the positive advise you've been giving., so if you have time can you check out the thread on Luke Wood and please give us your opinion on what happened to him, cause he looked fantastic 8 weeks out and what he showed sat. was truly mind boggling, an oipinion would be appriciated.


Severely dehydrated, was shaking badly during his posing routine. My opinion.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: YoungBlood on September 15, 2008, 08:51:52 AM

Disgusted,

What would you say is the upper end of doing cardio after a workout?
The past few years, due to necessity, I've had to do cardio after my workout. In the end this ended up getting me in better shape than anything I've ever done.
I usually ramp up about 5min every other week since I'm never in a hurry to make a deadline for a contest (just prefer to stay lean). I usually top off with 45-50min after my workout, which the workout is about 60min in itself. And I only do cardio after my workout, which is 4x a week.
My strength remains where I would like, but naturally I do lose a bit. I drink EAA shakes pre-, intra, and post-workout (not Milos' but similar) and I've also found this to help with not losing muscle.
I'm curious to your thoughts on this. I hear so many people talk about how 45min is too much....I've always ended up at this level near the peak of my cutting phase. Whether or not it's in conjunction with my workout or not.
Thanks.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on September 15, 2008, 08:39:37 PM
Disgusted,

What would you say is the upper end of doing cardio after a workout?
The past few years, due to necessity, I've had to do cardio after my workout. In the end this ended up getting me in better shape than anything I've ever done.
I usually ramp up about 5min every other week since I'm never in a hurry to make a deadline for a contest (just prefer to stay lean). I usually top off with 45-50min after my workout, which the workout is about 60min in itself. And I only do cardio after my workout, which is 4x a week.
My strength remains where I would like, but naturally I do lose a bit. I drink EAA shakes pre-, intra, and post-workout (not Milos' but similar) and I've also found this to help with not losing muscle.
I'm curious to your thoughts on this. I hear so many people talk about how 45min is too much....I've always ended up at this level near the peak of my cutting phase. Whether or not it's in conjunction with my workout or not.
Thanks.

It varies but 45 min is not too much. Even when someone stay very lean in the offseason I still have them hit cardio at the very latest bout 5 weeks out and usually 45 min is the min.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on September 15, 2008, 10:59:35 PM
It varies but 45 min is not too much. Even when someone stay very lean in the offseason I still have them hit cardio at the very latest bout 5 weeks out and usually 45 min is the min.

how about 45-60 min a day since from may to september~!!!!  ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on September 16, 2008, 09:41:37 AM
how about 45-60 min a day since from may to september~!!!!  ;D

Um, no comment.  ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on September 17, 2008, 10:33:31 AM
Jim,

What would  you say would be the best way to take advantage of the rebound after dieting for 16 weeks ( like I just did :) ).................

I ask you this on a public forum because I think alot of people have this same questions.

And who better to ask then you!!!!!!



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: wood on September 17, 2008, 11:07:33 AM
Do you mind answering this regarding the "powder" mentioned?

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=234166.75

thanks in advance!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on September 17, 2008, 11:07:40 AM
Jim,

What would  you say would be the best way to take advantage of the rebound after dieting for 16 weeks ( like I just did :) ).................

I ask you this on a public forum because I think alot of people have this same questions.

And who better to ask then you!!!!!!



Best way would be too stay on the same diet, but to increase the calories. People always ask me how many carbs to eat. The answer to that question is to increase them just enough so that you do not get fat. STAY LEAN!!! This way you can build quality and see what is going on. It's very simple, but most will never do this due to mainly discipline reasons. Why waste all those weeks of dieiting just to get fat again?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on September 17, 2008, 11:08:31 AM
Do you mind answering this regarding the "powder" mentioned?

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=234166.75

thanks in advance!

I am leaving now, but will answer it with a new thread later.  :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: wood on September 17, 2008, 11:11:19 AM
I am leaving now, but will answer it with a new thread later.  :)

perfect.  thanks!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on September 17, 2008, 02:07:47 PM
Best way would be too stay on the same diet, but to increase the calories. People always ask me how many carbs to eat. The answer to that question is to increase them just enough so that you do not get fat. STAY LEAN!!! This way you can build quality and see what is going on. It's very simple, but most will never do this due to mainly discipline reasons. Why waste all those weeks of dieiting just to get fat again?

How about the old vince gironda lean gaining diet. ???

The Advanced Maintenance Diet

This is a diet that you can remain on for a long time because it is well balanced with protein, fats, and carbohydrates. I recommend that you stay on it most of the time for gradual weight gains. Use the other diets given as short-term boosters when trying to force the body to maximum gains.

Breakfast
1 cup of coffee or tea
4-6 eggs (poached or soft boiled, or in an omelette with choice of cheese, bacon, mushrooms, etc. NO SALT)
2 slices of whole wheat bread or toast with sweet butter ( I'll use ezekial bread )


Lunch
1 glass iced tea or lemonade
1 lb. broiled meat (your choice) with steamed green vegetables
or
1 8 oz. can of tuna fish with fresh fruit
or
Raw vegetable salad with strips of chicken or turkey, egg, natural cheese, Oil and vinegar dressing (no sugar or salt)



Dinner
1 lb broiled steak with mixed green salad
or
1 lb baked chops with steamed spinach, broccoli, or cauliflower with carrot strip and celery salad
Sprinkle salads with sesame seeds and use a plain yogurt dressing
Jell-O with fruit and cream

At 10 A.M., 2 P.M., 4 P.M., and before retiring have a protein drink. Also eat some protein before you go to bed: eggs, cottage cheese, or a piece of meat.


This is a modified version for myself below.

Breakfast
1 cup of coffee or tea
4-6 eggs (poached or soft boiled, or in an omelette with choice of cheese, bacon, mushrooms, etc.

3/4 cup oatmeal/grits with fruits

or Stack of Pancakes with sugar free syrup.



Lunch
1 glass iced tea or lemonade
Large portion broiled meat (your choice) with steamed green vegetables
or
1  can of tuna fish with fresh fruit
or
Raw vegetable salad with strips of chicken or turkey, egg, natural cheese, Oil and vinegar dressing.


Dinner
Big ass broiled steak with mixed green salad
or
Lots of any meat with  steamed spinach, broccoli, or cauliflower with carrot strip and celery salad
Jell-O with fruit and cream


Between brekfast and lunch and between lunch and dinner have a protein drink with peanut butter on ezekial bread sandwhich. Also eat some protein before you go to bed: cottage cheese or greek yogurt, or protein shake.



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: djohnsen on September 18, 2008, 12:33:39 PM
Disgusted,
i have a few q's for you.

Not knowing too much of your background and what you do i have understand that you
are getting pro's in shape. Pro's that juice and more.
What do you know about natural, normal people and how they can get in shape?
I guess the difference is huge on how you can get in shape(??)

What is the best way for getting in shape for a natural? Diet, supplements, training etc?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on September 18, 2008, 03:59:00 PM
Disgusted,
i have a few q's for you.

Not knowing too much of your background and what you do i have understand that you
are getting pro's in shape. Pro's that juice and more.
What do you know about natural, normal people and how they can get in shape?
I guess the difference is huge on how you can get in shape(??)

What is the best way for getting in shape for a natural? Diet, supplements, training etc?

Check some of the progress threads about flexington, he also worked with disgusted.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on September 18, 2008, 08:16:45 PM
Disgusted,
i have a few q's for you.

Not knowing too much of your background and what you do i have understand that you
are getting pro's in shape. Pro's that juice and more.
What do you know about natural, normal people and how they can get in shape?
I guess the difference is huge on how you can get in shape(??)

What is the best way for getting in shape for a natural? Diet, supplements, training etc?


You may find this surprising but  the isn't much of a difference. What I do to get people in shape is mostly diet and common sense. If you have some type of specific question feel free to ask. Actually I am curious as to why you think there is such a huge difference or maybe yor just speculating.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on September 18, 2008, 08:23:00 PM
You may find this surprising but  the isn't much of a difference. What I do to get people in shape is mostly diet and common sense. If you have some type of specific question feel free to ask. Actually I am curious as to why you think there is such a huge difference or maybe yor just speculating.
I think it's a common misconception about getting in shape. Most, myself included, assume that someone who is "juicing" is also probably using some sort of chemical to burn fat.

I think I remember you saying once that you don't think people lose muscle while they diet, is that true?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: ASJChaotic on September 18, 2008, 08:26:12 PM
that's completely untrue chaos
bodybuilders use steroids to lose fat
and hormones like
T3 and HGH
just ask lee priest what he uses to lose fat  ;)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on September 18, 2008, 08:28:22 PM
I think it's a common misconception about getting in shape. Most, myself included, assume that someone who is "juicing" is also probably using some sort of chemical to burn fat.

I think I remember you saying once that you don't think people lose muscle while they diet, is that true?

No not usually. It may be interesting for some to know that King did not use any clen, eca, IGF, insulin or diuretics for the show. Don't even mention DNP as I have never even known anyone to use it, have no experience with it and don't want to.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on September 18, 2008, 08:29:22 PM
No not usually. It may be interesting for some to know that King did not use any clen, IGF, insulin or diuretics for the show. Don't even mention DNP as I have never even known anyone to use it, have no experience with it and don't want to.
What do you think about the post above yours? Any truth to that?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on September 18, 2008, 08:36:31 PM
What do you think about the post above yours? Any truth to that?

T3 is a good fat burner, GH so so and steroids not so good.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: AVBG on September 18, 2008, 08:43:20 PM
Is there going to be any 1 day out pics released by Flexsteele?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: wood on September 19, 2008, 04:46:48 AM
I am leaving now, but will answer it with a new thread later.  :)

Don't forget me on this, you could PM me if you'd rather.  thanks again


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on September 19, 2008, 08:18:33 AM
Is there going to be any 1 day out pics released by Flexsteele?

im going to send jim some tonight.

he might post them, he might not :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: djohnsen on September 20, 2008, 12:17:18 AM
You may find this surprising but  the isn't much of a difference. What I do to get people in shape is mostly diet and common sense. If you have some type of specific question feel free to ask. Actually I am curious as to why you think there is such a huge difference or maybe yor just speculating.

Hmm.. thats interesting. Maybe i'm influenced by the "all drugs" posts here. I thought that modern bb relied on chemicals to get in shape.



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: TooPowerful4u on October 26, 2008, 04:44:55 PM

Hey Jim.  Whats goin on man, long time no talk.  Anyway.....

Would you mind giving us an example of kings diet/cardio/training program when he hit a fat loss wall to get that last little bit off and get him to the completely shreaded level?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: tbombz on October 26, 2008, 05:33:17 PM
Hmm.. thats interesting. Maybe i'm influenced by the "all drugs" posts here. I thought that modern bb relied on chemicals to get in shape.


well to some degree, if one wanted to,  its possible just rely on drugs to get shredded, and get enough protein to sustain mass. t3 + gh +clen+ eca + AI + test tren anavar 


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Canadian_Muscle on October 30, 2008, 09:27:14 PM
well to some degree, if one wanted to,  its possible just rely on drugs to get shredded, and get enough protein to sustain mass. t3 + gh +clen+ eca + AI + test tren anavar 

Or DNP like the hardcore guys!  ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: ghostbuster on November 18, 2008, 10:14:14 AM
Hello Disgusted!

My coach says that i dont have to quit with gear before contest. Im wondering now, even though i am going to use diuretics shouldnt i quit at least testo prop and eq?? I am on Testo prop, eq u, masteron, winny, t3 and ephedrine at the moment. The contest is in about 3w from today. Something tells me that i should only go on with just winny, maste and t3?? I told that to my coach but he says that if i quit with testo then i will loose some of the pump and vascularity.

Should i listen to him or what??


Thanks.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: brudge on November 18, 2008, 11:20:17 AM
I've heard that you should stop the injects about 3-4 days out but run orals right up to show time.  I'm also interested what disgusted has to say about this.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on November 18, 2008, 09:57:20 PM
What's the downside to loving the hell out of Anadrol?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on November 19, 2008, 10:42:06 AM
I've heard that you should stop the injects about 3-4 days out but run orals right up to show time.  I'm also interested what disgusted has to say about this.

Monkey see monkey do. I sone it both way and it has not made any difference.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: ghostbuster on November 19, 2008, 01:36:24 PM
so basicly i could take lasix while on test p, eq ..and so on? i will not flaten out?? or eaven worse, i will not look like a waterbaloon??


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on November 19, 2008, 02:35:48 PM
so basicly i could take lasix while on test p, eq ..and so on? i will not flaten out?? or eaven worse, i will not look like a waterbaloon??

What?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: ghostbuster on November 19, 2008, 03:28:55 PM
ok let me try again.  :o

is there any risk that i will look flat because of the diuretics?
will the testosteron prop and boldenone make me wet on stage, even though i take lasix?

hope that you understand me little better now.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on November 19, 2008, 06:40:38 PM
ok let me try again.  :o

is there any risk that i will look flat because of the diuretics?
will the testosteron prop and boldenone make me wet on stage, even though i take lasix?

hope that you understand me little better now.

Yes, diuretics can cause you to go flat so you are gambling. Holding water on stage has nothing to do with whether you cut out the test and or eq.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: El Guapo on November 19, 2008, 07:05:36 PM
Hey Jim are you okay with dairy while dieting. Mainly cottage cheese or is that a no no?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: ghostbuster on November 20, 2008, 09:23:50 AM
Yes, diuretics can cause you to go flat so you are gambling. Holding water on stage has nothing to do with whether you cut out the test and or eq.

ok then, whats your advice?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on November 20, 2008, 12:20:47 PM
Hey Jim are you okay with dairy while dieting. Mainly cottage cheese or is that a no no?

DEF!! I like cottage cheese it's a great food.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: AVBG on November 20, 2008, 02:29:37 PM
DEF!! I like cottage cheese it's a great food.

ricotta is up there too! :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on November 20, 2008, 06:47:53 PM
ok then, whats your advice?

The type of advise that you are asking would require me to be training you for a show. Any other type of advise would be bad advise on my part.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on November 20, 2008, 06:49:50 PM
ricotta is up there too! :)


That too!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: El Guapo on November 21, 2008, 08:34:15 AM
DEF!! I like cottage cheese it's a great food.

do you mix it with other foods or just eat a bunch by itself?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on November 21, 2008, 02:47:31 PM
do you mix it with other foods or just eat a bunch by itself?

BOth ways but if you are structuring yor diet then you can make it part of a meal.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Van_Bilderass on November 21, 2008, 04:35:33 PM
Disgusted, do you supplement (those doing your diets) with any fatty acids, fish oils, GLA, CLA, etc?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on November 21, 2008, 08:14:44 PM
Disgusted, do you supplement (those doing your diets) with any fatty acids, fish oils, GLA, CLA, etc?

Never used to but do now.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: El Guapo on November 22, 2008, 12:57:03 PM
Jim do you believe in supplementing with antioxidants and herbs? also, other than pot ;D is there any other herbs that can be used at night to calm you down and help with sleep? muchas gracias.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on November 22, 2008, 02:18:06 PM
Jim do you believe in supplementing with antioxidants and herbs? also, other than pot ;D is there any other herbs that can be used at night to calm you down and help with sleep? muchas gracias.


I def believe in supplements. I take a god multi some D E and bout 4 grams of C daily. As far as antioxidants I don't the C is one and I just recenlty stated using Resveritrol. I am not sure bout the insomnia thing. Somtimes a little Xanax helps but you obviously need to be careful with it and not become dependent.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: El Guapo on November 22, 2008, 03:52:05 PM

I def believe in supplements. I take a god multi some D E and bout 4 grams of C daily. As far as antioxidants I don't the C is one and I just recenlty stated using Resveritrol. I am not sure bout the insomnia thing. Somtimes a little Xanax helps but you obviously need to be careful with it and not become dependent.

could you please explain why you believe in supplementing with c, d, e and etc?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on November 22, 2008, 11:18:06 PM

I def believe in supplements. I take a god multi some D E and bout 4 grams of C daily. As far as antioxidants I don't the C is one and I just recenlty stated using Resveritrol. I am not sure bout the insomnia thing. Somtimes a little Xanax helps but you obviously need to be careful with it and not become dependent.

what brand jimmy?

link me pls


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: benz on November 23, 2008, 10:33:39 AM
Disgusted, my alltime ENEMY & FRIEND

I know this might sound stupid but i read once in a spanish forum that a guy who was preparing himself for a tournament, used to wake up at 5 am in the morning, do 45 mins of bicycle and then return to sleep until 8 am. He said he had this "theory" that after cardio and going to sleep, he would keep burning fat.
Sounds crazy?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on November 23, 2008, 11:09:08 AM
what brand jimmy?

link me pls


Let me find the link cause I bought my first bottle from a vitmin shop but their is a place on the net that had 99% pure. Most out there are aroun 50%.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on November 23, 2008, 11:09:58 AM
Disgusted, my alltime ENEMY & FRIEND

I know this might sound stupid but i read once in a spanish forum that a guy who was preparing himself for a tournament, used to wake up at 5 am in the morning, do 45 mins of bicycle and then return to sleep until 8 am. He said he had this "theory" that after cardio and going to sleep, he would keep burning fat.
Sounds crazy?


Not crazy, but he should have just stayed in bed. Getting ripped is mostly diet anyway.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: benz on November 23, 2008, 11:12:31 AM

Not crazy, but he should have just stayed in bed. Getting ripped is mostly diet anyway.

So disgusted, former soldier of allah, do you agree with his theory or sounds stupid?



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on November 23, 2008, 08:00:00 PM
So disgusted, former soldier of allah, do you agree with his theory or sounds stupid?




Neither, just unnecessary.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: benz on November 23, 2008, 08:02:26 PM

Neither, just unnecessary.

thanks for answering abraham


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: El Guapo on November 25, 2008, 06:25:08 PM
Hey Jim. What time of the day do you feel is best to train in?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on November 26, 2008, 11:16:20 AM
Hey Jim. What time of the day do you feel is best to train in?


None, I have trained at all times round the clock. What fits best into your schedule.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on November 26, 2008, 12:07:59 PM
Jim,

dude even though im kinda taking it easy for a few weeks, im getting awesome pumps and im getting leaner doing your training method.

very very good shit, thanx bro!!!!



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: haider on November 26, 2008, 12:30:57 PM
Jim,

dude even though im kinda taking it easy for a few weeks, im getting awesome pumps and im getting leaner doing your training method.

very very good shit, thanx bro!!!!


whats his training method  ???


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on November 26, 2008, 12:34:50 PM
whats his training method  ???

I think ill let jim discuss it, he can explain it in much greater detail.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Krankenstein on November 26, 2008, 01:20:03 PM
I think ill let jim discuss it, he can explain it in much greater detail.

I am curious about it too.....also, I am sure it has been asked a MILLION times...how comparable is your approach with Palumbos?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: El Guapo on November 28, 2008, 09:03:10 AM

Let me find the link cause I bought my first bottle from a vitmin shop but their is a place on the net that had 99% pure. Most out there are aroun 50%.

any luck?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on November 28, 2008, 07:58:15 PM
any luck?


https://www.myrevgenetics.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=32&Click=294   :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Alex23 on November 28, 2008, 08:09:16 PM

https://www.myrevgenetics.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=32&Click=294   :)



Jim, what do you do for a living?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on November 29, 2008, 09:27:01 AM

Jim, what do you do for a living?


breath


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Krankenstein on December 03, 2008, 02:07:00 PM
I think ill let jim discuss it, he can explain it in much greater detail.

Care to share a little? 


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Cleanest Natural on December 04, 2008, 01:01:14 AM
Hello Jim. This is my current bulking diet. As a change from the past bulking phases I chose to eat clean this time and not that many carbs.

Breakfast : 4-5 organic eggs (soft boiled or fried in 1-2 tbsp butter )
           
                 1-1.5 lbs fruit ( either apples, grapes of bananas )

Lunch  ( ussually around 4 pm ) :

                 rooster meat or fish or red meat

                 side of veggies ( raw, green ussually leafy )

                 some carbs ( potatoes or rice )

Dinner :     red meat and a side of veggies ( always raw : white/red cabbbage 

or cauliflower )

          ocassionally if I feel like eating some junk I'll go ahead and do it. Otherwise out of 25 odd meals maybe 5 are junk....at most

If I get hungry, I'll add a 4th meal ( meat and veggies )

I do physical work daily like shoveling and wheelborrowing shit for 2 hours and I count if as cardio and calves lol ....

if I'm really exhausted after work I'll eat a bigger meal after ...

I try not to get cramped up about time between meals and other stuff like this as I don't find it paramount ..

Waddayathink ? what can I do better ?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on December 05, 2008, 10:38:32 AM
Hello Jim. This is my current bulking diet. As a change from the past bulking phases I chose to eat clean this time and not that many carbs.

Breakfast : 4-5 organic eggs (soft boiled or fried in 1-2 tbsp butter )
           
                 1-1.5 lbs fruit ( either apples, grapes of bananas )

Lunch  ( ussually around 4 pm ) :

                 rooster meat or fish or red meat

                 side of veggies ( raw, green ussually leafy )

                 some carbs ( potatoes or rice )

Dinner :     red meat and a side of veggies ( always raw : white/red cabbbage 

or cauliflower )

          ocassionally if I feel like eating some junk I'll go ahead and do it. Otherwise out of 25 odd meals maybe 5 are junk....at most

If I get hungry, I'll add a 4th meal ( meat and veggies )

I do physical work daily like shoveling and wheelborrowing shit for 2 hours and I count if as cardio and calves lol ....

if I'm really exhausted after work I'll eat a bigger meal after ...

I try not to get cramped up about time between meals and other stuff like this as I don't find it paramount ..

Waddayathink ? what can I do better ?



Sev, not bad but you may want to add a 4th meal later in the evening if you are getting hungry. Even if it is just a protein shake, just make sure it is low carb not necessarily zero.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Cleanest Natural on December 05, 2008, 10:48:07 AM
As the days progress ..I find myself adding more often a 4th meal ...I eat carbs according to what I do during the day ...

For example I don't see why eat carbs with my last meal ...I'll go to bed ...protein and roughage ...should I add some carbs?

I'm doing this because in the past I struggled with my appetite..so I wait until I'm hungry to eat ...

BTW ... muscle memory is amazing ;) ..never get tired of seing how fast the human body can change ...


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on December 05, 2008, 09:04:45 PM
As the days progress ..I find myself adding more often a 4th meal ...I eat carbs according to what I do during the day ...

For example I don't see why eat carbs with my last meal ...I'll go to bed ...protein and roughage ...should I add some carbs?

I'm doing this because in the past I struggled with my appetite..so I wait until I'm hungry to eat ...

BTW ... muscle memory is amazing ;) ..never get tired of seing how fast the human body can change ...


I agree bout the no reason to eat carbs late at night. Sounds like everything is covered.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: El Guapo on December 07, 2008, 12:10:33 PM
do you see any significant disadvantages to using a split where quads and chest are trained in the same day? Pretty much the routine that Serge recommends.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on December 07, 2008, 08:35:18 PM
do you see any significant disadvantages to using a split where quads and chest are trained in the same day? Pretty much the routine that Serge recommends.

For me if I were to do it I would do a morning and night routine.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on December 10, 2008, 12:57:28 PM
Jim,

Serge Nubret used to eat only one LARGE meal per day.

Now I know thats a bit extreme but how about eating 3-4 large meals spread evenly though the day? Do u think this would be beneficial because it would give ur body time to actually digest and asorb the food, instead of constantly getting nutrients thrown at it, and never being able to properly assimilate what u eat.

Just thinking out loud here! Thanx


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Stavios on December 10, 2008, 02:54:52 PM
Jim,

Serge Nubret used to eat only one LARGE meal per day.

Now I know thats a bit extreme but how about eating 3-4 large meals spread evenly though the day? Do u think this would be beneficial because it would give ur body time to actually digest and asorb the food, instead of constantly getting nutrients thrown at it, and never being able to properly assimilate what u eat.

Just thinking out loud here! Thanx

I may be wrong but I think Layne said it's best to eat every 4-6 hours


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: AVBG on December 10, 2008, 02:57:15 PM
I may be wrong but I think Layne said it's best to eat every 4-6 hours


he has said that for a while now.. particularly if you have a sluggish metabolism.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Stavios on December 10, 2008, 03:00:19 PM

he has said that for a while now.. particularly if you have a sluggish metabolism.

what's up AVBG  :D

enjoying the off-season ?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: AVBG on December 10, 2008, 04:03:26 PM
what's up AVBG  :D

enjoying the off-season ?

Not much Stavios! Yep, I am enjoying the offseason getting plenty of calories in but staying lean..currently 215 with abs, can't complain about that.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: El Guapo on January 08, 2009, 01:30:34 PM
Jim what are your thought on old school programs that involved full body workouts three days a week? Also, have you ever read the complete keys to progress by John McCallum?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on January 09, 2009, 01:04:47 AM
Jim what are your thought on old school programs that involved full body workouts three days a week? Also, have you ever read the complete keys to progress by John McCallum?

I've done it years ago. There are so many ways to train. This way is not bad, but you tend to tire out near the end from the workout being too long. I would say the it would be better to train half the body one day and the other half the next, you can do this 6 days per week and take a day off (other than Sun) if you feel that you need some rest. Go by what your body it telling you.

I am not familiar with the guy that you mention sorry.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: El Guapo on January 09, 2009, 07:56:58 AM
Thanks for the reply Jim. Here is a link to the book that I was talking about. I know you like to read and the book is very interesting. If you ever have a spare second I think you should check it out.

http://www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=1287


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 09, 2009, 12:11:33 PM
I've done it years ago. There are so many ways to train. This way is not bad, but you tend to tire out near the end from the workout being too long. I would say the it would be better to train half the body one day and the other half the next, you can do this 6 days per week and take a day off (other than Sun) if you feel that you need some rest. Go by what your body it telling you.

I am not familiar with the guy that you mention sorry.
jim, i bet there are some people here that are curious about ur views on training and your own training methods.

can u please share

thanks
Glen


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on January 10, 2009, 01:06:47 AM
Thanks for the reply Jim. Here is a link to the book that I was talking about. I know you like to read and the book is very interesting. If you ever have a spare second I think you should check it out.

http://www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=1287

Cool bro. thanks!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on January 10, 2009, 01:07:29 AM
jim, i bet there are some people here that are curious about ur views on training and your own training methods.

can u please share

thanks
Glen

Sure, but beddy by for now.  ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 10, 2009, 01:28:02 AM
Sure, but beddy by for now.  ;D

what in the heck are u posting on getbig at 4am for!! GO TO BED!! ;D  ;)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on January 11, 2009, 07:31:25 AM
disgusted in your opinion which is better dbol or adrol and why ?

what is the simplest cycle you would advise someone do for maximum gains/minimum sides?

thanks.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on January 11, 2009, 11:10:10 PM
disgusted in your opinion which is better dbol or adrol and why ?

what is the simplest cycle you would advise someone do for maximum gains/minimum sides?

thanks.

Dbol before drol. Dbol will give you good quality muscle gains all by itself. You will get nice and big full and round. Drol by itself is not as good and you tend to drop the gains quicker. Don't get me wrong it is good for size just not as good as dbol. Use drol before a show to increase blood volume which will add to your cosmetic density hardness and vascularity.

Simple? Dbol only cycle, do 6 weeks at 50 to 80 mgs. Advanced should do 100 or more.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on January 11, 2009, 11:14:18 PM
jim, i bet there are some people here that are curious about ur views on training and your own training methods.

can u please share

thanks
Glen

I pefer volume say around 10 to 15 sets.  Keep reps about 8 to 12. Sometimes I like to do high reps on legs say 70 to 80 reps on leg extensions. Will do those first. Will go first set 80 reps add a little weight maybe get 50 then add maybe get 35, will do total of 6 sets will take ma about 8 minutes. Move on to leg press or squats. I like to move quick with about 1 minute rest between sets slightly more when doing legs. Get in get out no talking destroy the muscle!!!!!!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 11, 2009, 11:29:25 PM
I pefer volume say around 10 to 15 sets.  Keep reps about 8 to 12. Sometimes I like to do high reps on legs say 70 to 80 reps on leg extensions. Will do those first. Will go first set 80 reps add a little weight maybe get 50 then add maybe get 35, will do total of 6 sets will take ma about 8 minutes. Move on to leg press or squats. I like to move quick with about 1 minute rest between sets slightly more when doing legs. Get in get out no talking destroy the muscle!!!!!!

Bro just wanted to say ive adopted your philosophy and its fuckin awesome.

Just curious, im hitting back tomorrow. What do u normally do for back??


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on January 11, 2009, 11:40:24 PM
Bro just wanted to say ive adopted your philosophy and its fuckin awesome.

Just curious, im hitting back tomorrow. What do u normally do for back??

Don't go by me bro. My back is one of my strong point and I do very little. I would advise pulldowns, low rows and or db rows and some stiff arm pulldowns for the part of the lat right under your arm pit. This will give you a better outer lat in the front double bicep. Lower back just down some hypers.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 11, 2009, 11:41:52 PM
Don't go by me bro. My back is one of my strong point and I do very little. I would advise pulldowns, low rows and or db rows and some stiff arm pulldowns for the part of the lat right under your arm pit. This will give you a better outer lat in the front double bicep. Lower back just down some hypers.

Ok just by this response. What percentage of building a pleasing, muscular physique would be training and what would be diet? and then what would be drugs?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on January 11, 2009, 11:43:31 PM
Ok just by this response. What percentage of building a pleasing, muscular physique would be training and what would be diet? and then what would be drugs?

Be a little more specific. Height weight and bf levels.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 11, 2009, 11:50:32 PM
Be a little more specific. Height weight and bf levels.

No I mean in like order of importance, what are the most important. Training? Diet? Drugs? and Genetics?

Because me personally I dont think it really matters what u train like, as long as u train hard. And that its mainly diet, then drugs and genetics.

What do u think Jim?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on January 12, 2009, 12:00:07 AM
No I mean in like order of importance, what are the most important. Training? Diet? Drugs? and Genetics?

Because me personally I dont think it really matters what u train like, as long as u train hard. And that its mainly diet, then drugs and genetics.

What do u think Jim?


Unless you want to win the Olympia genetics are not important at all since anyone can build muscle. It's only your genetics that will determine what your muscles will look like as far as shape ect. Diet obviously is important as far as nutrients to be able to build muscle and lower bf levels. Training as you say to a degree is not that important as long as your follow certain paramiters. OK, once you get to your bodies max. muscle size naturally you will then need to go the "other" route to be able to build any more muscle. So as you can see diet training to a degree will get you so far and then drugs are needed no matter how "hard" you train and how "perfect" your diet is. So drug,s diet, training. Naturally, diet then training. You can train as long and hard as you want but your diet is shit then you will look like shit.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 12, 2009, 12:02:28 AM
Unless you want to win the Olympia genetics are not important at all since anyone can build muscle. It's only your genetics that will determine what your muscles will look like as far as shape ect. Diet obviously is important as far as nutrients to be able to build muscle and lower bf levels. Training as you say to a degree is not that important as long as your follow certain paramiters. OK, once you get to your bodies max. muscle size naturally you will then need to go the "other" route to be able to build any more muscle. So as you can see diet training to a degree will get you so far and then drugs are needed no matter how "hard" you train and how "perfect" your diet is. So drug,s diet, training. Naturally, diet then training. You can train as long and hard as you want but your diet is shit then you will look like shit.

awesome answer dude, thank you!



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Fatpanda on January 12, 2009, 02:58:33 PM
Dbol before drol. Dbol will give you good quality muscle gains all by itself. You will get nice and big full and round. Drol by itself is not as good and you tend to drop the gains quicker. Don't get me wrong it is good for size just not as good as dbol. Use drol before a show to increase blood volume which will add to your cosmetic density hardness and vascularity.

Simple? Dbol only cycle, do 6 weeks at 50 to 80 mgs. Advanced should do 100 or more.

thanks jim.  :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: dustin on January 12, 2009, 04:31:11 PM
Unless you want to win the Olympia genetics are not important at all since anyone can build muscle. It's only your genetics that will determine what your muscles will look like as far as shape ect. Diet obviously is important as far as nutrients to be able to build muscle and lower bf levels. Training as you say to a degree is not that important as long as your follow certain paramiters. OK, once you get to your bodies max. muscle size naturally you will then need to go the "other" route to be able to build any more muscle. So as you can see diet training to a degree will get you so far and then drugs are needed no matter how "hard" you train and how "perfect" your diet is. So drug,s diet, training. Naturally, diet then training. You can train as long and hard as you want but your diet is shit then you will look like shit.

Great, honest advice. Much appreciation, man.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on January 12, 2009, 09:50:50 PM
You're welcome guys.  :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Krankenstein on January 12, 2009, 10:16:46 PM
So, Jim...what are your thoughts/ideas on how someone best finds the 'right amount of carbs' to take in during the offseason?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on January 12, 2009, 11:35:41 PM
So, Jim...what are your thoughts/ideas on how someone best finds the 'right amount of carbs' to take in during the offseason?

Easy just keep adding small amounts say 200 a week or so to your diet until you feel that you are gaining too much fat then back off slightly to you find that happy medium.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: 65stew on January 16, 2009, 01:18:39 PM
Hi Disgusted, I had a couple questions for you. You seem to have a level headed realistic approach to things. I've heard a lot lately about the HCG diet and have had friends that have tried it. From what I understand they inject themselves daily with the HCG and then eat approximately 500 calories throughout the rest of the day. Do you know if this actually works or is it because of the limited calories? My one friend who was on it said that they told him the HCG provides 2000 calories per injection. Also, any more info. on when your product is coming out? Are you going to set it up where people can buy it wholesale and distribute it or do some kind of affiliate program? Thanks for the help.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: webcake on January 16, 2009, 04:46:34 PM
Hi Disgusted.

What's you're thoughts/opinions on Tribulius (sp) for a natty?

I keep hearing mixed reports on it...


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on January 16, 2009, 08:47:39 PM
I have talked to a few guys that like trib. The main thing is getting the right kind. If you want me to I can ask around and found out who carries a good brand, just let me know. Just remember that it will work to raise test levels, but it's no miracle.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 17, 2009, 10:29:33 PM
I pefer volume say around 10 to 15 sets.  Keep reps about 8 to 12. Sometimes I like to do high reps on legs say 70 to 80 reps on leg extensions. Will do those first. Will go first set 80 reps add a little weight maybe get 50 then add maybe get 35, will do total of 6 sets will take ma about 8 minutes. Move on to leg press or squats. I like to move quick with about 1 minute rest between sets slightly more when doing legs. Get in get out no talking destroy the muscle!!!!!!

just wondering,

my chest is pretty weak, got any tips or suggestions??


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on January 18, 2009, 12:37:35 AM
just wondering,

my chest is pretty weak, got any tips or suggestions??

Yes, try a pre exhaustion routine for a while. Do say 6 to 8 sets of cables X first or pec dec. Then move on to a compound move from there. Do about 12 total sets and keep your reps at around 10.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 18, 2009, 01:07:27 AM
Yes, try a pre exhaustion routine for a while. Do say 6 to 8 sets of cables X first or pec dec. Then move on to a compound move from there. Do about 12 total sets and keep your reps at around 10.

Jim u are the definition of K.I.S.S

Ill give this a try and photo u the results :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: big man on January 18, 2009, 02:03:37 AM
I'm a 5'10'' guy, natural. Weight 210.
At roughly what % bodyfat will I start to see veins, and lose these handles, visible 6 pack without flexing?
What weight range would put me close to this?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on January 18, 2009, 01:03:47 PM
Jim u are the definition of K.I.S.S

Ill give this a try and photo u the results :)

Also, you may want to try flat bench press to the neck. Start in a normal postition and as you bring the bar down keep your elbow out to your sides. Slowly bring it down to your neck as ar as you can. You may not be too flexible at first. Be vary careful not to go heavy on this exercise. Even though this is a compound movement it isolates the chest more because of the bar placement. Do this one first. Start with a very light weight around 25's on each side. Do 10 reps, rest about 30 to 40 sec max. Keep adding 5# plates on each side till you can barely get 8 reps. This should take you around 6 to 8 sets.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 18, 2009, 01:50:59 PM
Also, you may want to try flat bench press to the neck. Start in a normal postition and as you bring the bar down keep your elbow out to your sides. Slowly bring it down to your neck as ar as you can. You may not be too flexible at first. Be vary careful not to go heavy on this exercise. Even though this is a compound movement it isolates the chest more because of the bar placement. Do this one first. Start with a very light weight around 25's on each side. Do 10 reps, rest about 30 to 40 sec max. Keep adding 5# plates on each side till you can barely get 8 reps. This should take you around 6 to 8 sets.

sweet, an old gironda favourite, ill try it after the crossovers, ill tell u how it goes!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: webcake on January 18, 2009, 05:17:59 PM
I have talked to a few guys that like trib. The main thing is getting the right kind. If you want me to I can ask around and found out who carries a good brand, just let me know. Just remember that it will work to raise test levels, but it's no miracle.

Thanks for the reply, Disgusted.

To be honest i haven't checked out what brands make it here (I'm in Australia), so i might have to check out what brands we have here i guess. If you know of any good brands that would be great, and i can shop around and see if we have them here.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 18, 2009, 05:23:02 PM
Thanks for the reply, Disgusted.

To be honest i haven't checked out what brands make it here (I'm in Australia), so i might have to check out what brands we have here i guess. If you know of any good brands that would be great, and i can shop around and see if we have them here.

its not tribulus but ive talked to a few guys who liked palumbos testolyze, its 6oxo and saw palmetto........u might want to give that a try.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on January 18, 2009, 05:27:13 PM
Thanks for the reply, Disgusted.

To be honest i haven't checked out what brands make it here (I'm in Australia), so i might have to check out what brands we have here i guess. If you know of any good brands that would be great, and i can shop around and see if we have them here.
See if you can get SoPharma's 'Tribestan', seems to be popular and Amazon.com has some cheap ass prices on it.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: webcake on January 18, 2009, 05:45:10 PM
Thanks for those suggestions, i'll check them out.

I just went on ebay real quick to see what they got (i go on ebay cause it's easier than going to the store and buying stuff online like from bb.com or whatever is too unreliable, strict customs and shit)

Anyway, i've seen some stuff that seems to be good value, though i haven't heard of the brand (Mega Pro). Is Tribulus like creatine and it's all kinda the same (regardless of brands) or is Tribulus different?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on January 18, 2009, 05:49:26 PM
Thanks for those suggestions, i'll check them out.

I just went on ebay real quick to see what they got (i go on ebay cause it's easier than going to the store and buying stuff online like from bb.com or whatever is too unreliable, strict customs and shit)

Anyway, i've seen some stuff that seems to be good value, though i haven't heard of the brand (Mega Pro). Is Tribulus like creatine and it's all kinda the same (regardless of brands) or is Tribulus different?
I've heard tribulus is one of those things that you really need a quality brand, maybe disgusted could clarify.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: webcake on January 18, 2009, 05:54:25 PM
I've heard tribulus is one of those things that you really need a quality brand, maybe disgusted could clarify.

Damn. I saw a few that were the better known brands, but of course they were twice the price.

Oh well, i'll wait to see what Disgusted says and then play it from there...


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 18, 2009, 08:08:02 PM
Thanks for those suggestions, i'll check them out.

I just went on ebay real quick to see what they got (i go on ebay cause it's easier than going to the store and buying stuff online like from bb.com or whatever is too unreliable, strict customs and shit)

Anyway, i've seen some stuff that seems to be good value, though i haven't heard of the brand (Mega Pro). Is Tribulus like creatine and it's all kinda the same (regardless of brands) or is Tribulus different?

mega pro is a good brand for some other products so it may be good, but like u said, wait for disgusteds answer


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 20, 2009, 06:16:35 PM
Also, you may want to try flat bench press to the neck. Start in a normal postition and as you bring the bar down keep your elbow out to your sides. Slowly bring it down to your neck as ar as you can. You may not be too flexible at first. Be vary careful not to go heavy on this exercise. Even though this is a compound movement it isolates the chest more because of the bar placement. Do this one first. Start with a very light weight around 25's on each side. Do 10 reps, rest about 30 to 40 sec max. Keep adding 5# plates on each side till you can barely get 8 reps. This should take you around 6 to 8 sets.

Did crossovers first did about 8 sets on there, got a crazy pump.

Then did the bench to the neck! WOW!! totally isolates the chest i didnt feel it in my shoulders or tris or nothing, just UPPER CHEST! that was awesome.

Then i went and did a few sets of flyes got a maximum pump, then moved to triceps!!!

Great workout! thanx Jim, i really really felt my chest pump up with blood doing this.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on January 20, 2009, 06:23:39 PM
Did crossovers first did about 8 sets on there, got a crazy pump.

Then did the bench to the neck! WOW!! totally isolates the chest i didnt feel it in my shoulders or tris or nothing, just UPPER CHEST! that was awesome.

Then i went and did a few sets of flyes got a maximum pump, then moved to triceps!!!

Great workout! thanx Jim, i really really felt my chest pump up with blood doing this.


Good job. Upper chest is exactly where you should have felt it. Doing the pre exhaust also helped in further isolating the chest area for the BP to the neck.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 20, 2009, 06:29:32 PM
Good job. Upper chest is exactly where you should have felt it. Doing the pre exhaust also helped in further isolating the chest area for the BP to the neck.

yea my upper chest felt like it was going to explode, i only got about 6 sets though, then i was FINISHED!!! I could feel my chest touching my adams apple lol.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on January 20, 2009, 06:30:48 PM
yea my upper chest felt like it was going to explode, i only got about 6 sets though, then i was FINISHED!!! I could feel my chest touching my adams apple lol.
I know this is The Positive Board, so let me say this nicely......could you provide pics of said chest touching said adams apple? :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 20, 2009, 06:37:07 PM
I know this is The Positive Board, so let me say this nicely......could you provide pics of said chest touching said adams apple? :)

hahaha, i said it "felt" like it lol! i was no where near it, but it damn sure felt like it lol


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on January 20, 2009, 06:45:23 PM
hahaha, i said it "felt" like it lol! i was no where near it, but it damn sure felt like it lol
I've seen a few bbers doing this at the gym, to the neck presses, always looked uncomfortable to me.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: webcake on January 21, 2009, 11:17:49 PM
I've seen a few bbers doing this at the gym, to the neck presses, always looked uncomfortable to me.

I just did them today (on smith machine).

I too thought they would be uncomfortable, but they are AWESOME.

Probably the best chest pump i've gotten. Delts seem like they don't even get worked, upper chest was screaming!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Krankenstein on January 22, 2009, 12:48:49 PM
How about a back routine that would smoke the lats?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on January 26, 2009, 12:51:32 PM
How about a back routine that would smoke the lats?

A good isolation exercise for the lat is one arm pulldowns. I sit on a low bench or box under the cable crossover. Pulldown and slightly arch your body to the side at the end of the movement to get a good contraction. Let me know if you understand what I am trying to say here.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 26, 2009, 03:56:31 PM
Jim what was ur favourite training split when u competed?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Krankenstein on January 26, 2009, 07:43:27 PM
A good isolation exercise for the lat is one arm pulldowns. I sit on a low bench or box under the cable crossover. Pulldown and slightly arch your body to the side at the end of the movement to get a good contraction. Let me know if you understand what I am trying to say here.

Totally.....


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on January 26, 2009, 09:24:37 PM
Totally.....

Cool, you can also lean to the outside slightly at the top to get a better strectch if you like.  :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Get Rowdy on January 26, 2009, 10:43:25 PM
I just did them today (on smith machine).

I too thought they would be uncomfortable, but they are AWESOME.

Probably the best chest pump i've gotten. Delts seem like they don't even get worked, upper chest was screaming!

I did them a few days ago and they made a stretch mark on my chest slightly longer  :( 
Definitely felt it all in the chest though, good pump.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: webcake on January 27, 2009, 12:43:57 AM
I did them a few days ago and they made a stretch mark on my chest slightly longer  :( 
Definitely felt it all in the chest though, good pump.

Wear your stretch marks with pride!!

Battle scars!!


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Get Rowdy on January 27, 2009, 01:26:41 AM
Wear your stretch marks with pride!!

Battle scars!!

Lol, every workout another battle in the war that is bodybuilding.



Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: webcake on January 27, 2009, 01:54:17 AM
Lol, every workout another battle in the war that is bodybuilding.



That was beautiful.

Bought a tear to my eye.... :'(


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: WillGrant on January 27, 2009, 02:19:18 AM
Did crossovers first did about 8 sets on there, got a crazy pump.

Then did the bench to the neck! WOW!! totally isolates the chest i didnt feel it in my shoulders or tris or nothing, just UPPER CHEST! that was awesome.

Then i went and did a few sets of flyes got a maximum pump, then moved to triceps!!!

Great workout! thanx Jim, i really really felt my chest pump up with blood doing this.

Did you use the smith machine mate?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: webcake on January 27, 2009, 02:53:12 AM
Did you use the smith machine mate?


I know this was directed at Flexington, but i did them and i used the smith machine.

Felt fine, very good exercise.

I may try them on the free weight bench, but i would want someone spotting me on my heavier sets.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: WillGrant on January 27, 2009, 03:02:54 AM
I know this was directed at Flexington, but i did them and i used the smith machine.

Felt fine, very good exercise.

I may try them on the free weight bench, but i would want someone spotting me on my heavier sets.
I tryed them a few years ago,but have a dodgy shoulder and found they agravated it a bit..

Id love to try them again but maybe will superset them with incline cable flyes first to pre exaust so that way ego doesnt tell me to add more plates when I really shouldnt  ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: webcake on January 27, 2009, 03:06:09 AM
I tryed them a few years ago,but have a dodgy shoulder and found they agravated it a bit..

Id love to try them again but maybe will superset them with incline cable flyes first to pre exaust so that way ego doesnt tell me to add more plates when I really shouldnt  ;D

It's funny you say that they aggravated your delts, because the thing i noticed is that my delts felt like they were hardly getting worked at all...


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: El Guapo on January 27, 2009, 11:19:35 AM
Jim is there a higher risk of negative health with the consumption of a high fat( from eggs, steak, chicken thighs, etc.) high protein low carb diet long term?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 27, 2009, 03:36:08 PM
Did you use the smith machine mate?


bb all the way. i think the smith machine restricts your movement too much


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 27, 2009, 04:34:28 PM
Jim does it make u less of a fan of bodybuilding to see about 90% of the competitors at this years ironman show come in at 3-6 weeks out level of conditioning.

and did moe elmossawi ruin his physique with insulin use or can he correct it?? comparisons from this year and last year


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: QuakerOats on January 27, 2009, 04:36:53 PM
honestly man Moe looks pretty good in the second shot, leads me to believe that he wasn't fully crunched down into the shot in the 1st pic, he definitely needed better color.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 27, 2009, 04:46:43 PM
fully contracted down and from this year, and the second shot is from last year QO.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on January 27, 2009, 04:48:50 PM
honestly man Moe looks pretty good in the second shot, leads me to believe that he wasn't fully crunched down into the shot in the 1st pic, he definitely needed better color.
The second shot is from last year, 2008.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: AVBG on January 27, 2009, 04:53:16 PM
Jim does it make u less of a fan of bodybuilding to see about 90% of the competitors at this years ironman show come in at 3-6 weeks out level of conditioning.

and did moe elmossawi ruin his physique with insulin use or can he correct it?? comparisons from this year and last year

I don't think Moe has done anything different in preparing for this years IM than what he did last year.. However, last year he had troubles which caused him to drop some weight (flight delays/ dehydration) and as result (almost accidentally) that resulted in a better showing in 08. Check out last years corresponding interview on PBW (02/25/08)

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/radioarchive.htm


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on January 27, 2009, 11:40:52 PM
Jim does it make u less of a fan of bodybuilding to see about 90% of the competitors at this years ironman show come in at 3-6 weeks out level of conditioning.

and did moe elmossawi ruin his physique with insulin use or can he correct it?? comparisons from this year and last year

I pretty much am not interested in these shows anymore. It is one of the reasons that I stopped training people. I am not a fan of what they are rewarding nowadays.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 28, 2009, 07:46:21 AM
I pretty much am not interested in these shows anymore. It is one of the reasons that I stopped training people. I am not a fan of what they are rewarding nowadays.

i think theres this skinny black guy from california who u can still help!  ;)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Stavios on January 28, 2009, 08:21:34 AM
i think theres this skinny black guy from california who u can still help!  ;)

Disgusted started training Usher ?!?!?!

great news !!!!!!!!!!  :D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on January 28, 2009, 08:24:53 AM
Disgusted started training Usher ?!?!?!

great news !!!!!!!!!!  :D

I believe usher is from ohio.

Asshole!  ;)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Stavios on January 28, 2009, 09:32:38 AM
I believe usher is from ohio.

Asshole!  ;)

 ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on January 28, 2009, 07:08:11 PM
I believe usher is from ohio.

Asshole!  ;)
First warning.





















 ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: benz on January 28, 2009, 07:14:32 PM
First warning.





















 ;D


keep it positive please  ::) ::) ::)


 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on February 03, 2009, 08:05:09 PM
I just did 22 sets for chest lol. Im forcing that fucker to grow  :o.

that included 5 sets of neck bench presses. Fuck those hurt ( in a good way ;D )


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Stavios on February 03, 2009, 11:25:53 PM
I just did 22 sets for chest lol. Im forcing that fucker to grow  :o.

that included 5 sets of neck bench presses. Fuck those hurt ( in a good way ;D )

IMO, incline flyes with 15 degrees bench

best exercise ever for chest


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: njflex on February 04, 2009, 06:04:34 AM
IMO, incline flyes with 15 degrees bench

best exercise ever for chest
yes,yes on the bench to neck ,it was shown to me yrs and yrs ago by a south american pro it really fills in clavicle area you have to be careful not to go too heavy tho,,,


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Get Rowdy on February 04, 2009, 04:49:41 PM
How deep are you guys going on the bench press to neck?  All the way down to your Adams-apple?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: webcake on February 04, 2009, 05:00:59 PM
How deep are you guys going on the bench press to neck?  All the way down to your Adams-apple?

I just started them 2 weeks ago and will be doing them today again.

Just go as deep as comfortable. Shoulder girdle flexibility will determine the comfort/ability to perform them. Just give them a go and see what feels right for you...


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on February 04, 2009, 10:22:54 PM
How deep are you guys going on the bench press to neck?  All the way down to your Adams-apple?

Warm up good and be careful, I usually touch my chin. Your flexibility will improve in time.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Get Rowdy on February 04, 2009, 11:18:46 PM
I just started them 2 weeks ago and will be doing them today again.

Just go as deep as comfortable. Shoulder girdle flexibility will determine the comfort/ability to perform them. Just give them a go and see what feels right for you...
Warm up good and be careful, I usually touch my chin. Your flexibility will improve in time.

Thanks guys, much appreciated.  I've only done them once, so was just seeing which spot everyone was aiming for.  I'm flexible enough to reach my chin so I'll stick with that.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: njflex on February 05, 2009, 06:29:36 AM
Warm up good and be careful, I usually touch my chin. Your flexibility will improve in time.
WOW,I USUALLY HIT JUST OVER COLLAR AREA ,I'LL TRY CHIN AREA .I REALLY LIKE THEM AND PEOPLE IN MY GYM ASK WHAT IT HITS ,ITS I GUESS A HIT OR MISS FOR SOME.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on February 05, 2009, 09:54:54 AM
WOW,I USUALLY HIT JUST OVER COLLAR AREA ,I'LL TRY CHIN AREA .I REALLY LIKE THEM AND PEOPLE IN MY GYM ASK WHAT IT HITS ,ITS I GUESS A HIT OR MISS FOR SOME.

There is no exact place that you have to touch, but I personally feel that bringing the bar to the chin gives me a little better stretch and brings a tad more isolation to the chest. Remember to keep the elbows out to your sides! Also, keep this one light weight baby!!   ;D


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: flexingtonsteele on February 05, 2009, 02:01:05 PM
There is no exact place that you have to touch, but I personally feel that bringing the bar to the chin gives me a little better stretch and brings a tad more isolation to the chest. Remember to keep the elbows out to your sides! Also, keep this one light weight baby!!   ;D

jim just wondering to you consciously "push" out your elbows to the side or do u just let them go to the side.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Bobby on February 06, 2009, 09:44:29 AM
I've been doing these the last 6 months and it's a great exercise!

another tip is to lift your legs and butt off the bench, then they can't assist you and it's all chest 8)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: texasmusclegeek on February 06, 2009, 12:04:54 PM
i have a bad lower back, and i only can do rowing movements off a bench...like dumbbell rows on an incline and the t-bar bench.

i have my first contest this summer, and was wondering if i can train around the injury and still put on muscle.

oddly enough, i can dead lift, but no bent over rowing.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on February 08, 2009, 01:05:56 PM
jim just wondering to you consciously "push" out your elbows to the side or do u just let them go to the side.

If the weight is not too heavy then you really don't have to "think" about it.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Alex23 on February 08, 2009, 01:13:54 PM
If the weight is not too heavy then you really don't have to "think" about it.

Disgusted, are you saying that flex is overthinking the whole thing?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on February 08, 2009, 01:15:30 PM
Disgusted, are you saying that flex is overthinking the whole thing?

I normally don't speak aloud while I type.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on February 08, 2009, 01:16:17 PM
i have a bad lower back, and i only can do rowing movements off a bench...like dumbbell rows on an incline and the t-bar bench.

i have my first contest this summer, and was wondering if i can train around the injury and still put on muscle.

oddly enough, i can dead lift, but no bent over rowing.

Of course, just do what you can.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Alex23 on February 08, 2009, 01:20:55 PM
I normally don't speak aloud while I type.

That's too bad, you would realize how smart you "sound".

Jim, could you do anything with this beast or is he damaged goods?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxKfZA1lKJQ


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Disgusted on February 08, 2009, 04:52:32 PM
That's too bad, you would realize how smart you "sound".

Jim, could you do anything with this beast or is he damaged goods?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxKfZA1lKJQ

I could if I still trained people. You have decent size, but are holding about 30 pounds of needless weight.


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: WillGrant on February 14, 2009, 05:35:42 PM
Jim , what do you think of this product?
Is it solid?http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gn/mitotropin.html (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gn/mitotropin.html)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: Cleanest Natural on February 15, 2009, 02:48:34 AM
I could if I still trained people. You have decent size, but are holding about 30 pounds of needless weight.
:D

qft


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: benz on February 15, 2009, 05:53:38 PM
Why my question was deleted again? What was wrong this time? I repeat it again:


Jim, how do you develop a supplement when you have no studies?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on February 15, 2009, 05:59:37 PM
Why my question was deleted again? What was wrong this time? I repeat it again:


Jim, how do you develop a supplement when you have no studies?
Flex is pissed I moved the "magic powder" thread, expect alot of posts to get deleted. :-\


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: benz on February 15, 2009, 06:01:11 PM
Flex is pissed I moved the "magic powder" thread, expect alot of posts to get deleted. :-\

but i did not harm anybody here, and my question is not ment to attack jim but to find out how he made until this point. jesus this board is supposed to be positive and whenever i ask something serious it gets deleted, is that positive or what?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on February 15, 2009, 06:05:07 PM
but i did not harm anybody here, and my question is not ment to attack jim but to find out how he made until this point. jesus this board is supposed to be positive and whenever i ask something serious it gets deleted, is that positive or what?
Not alot I can do for you, seems if you press for an answer someone is going to delete it and say you were being negative. ::)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: benz on February 16, 2009, 09:30:58 AM
Not alot I can do for you, seems if you press for an answer someone is going to delete it and say you were being negative. ::)

Thanks for quoting me, just in case somebody deletes my question, people will be able to see that i didnt ask anything negative. And yes you are right, many of my posts (the positive ones, not the negative ones) have been deleted and ive been blamed of being negative :(


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: danielson on February 16, 2009, 09:35:22 AM
Flex is pissed I moved the "magic powder" thread, expect alot of posts to get deleted. :-\

You did the right thing Chaos. Mods have to follow Rons rules.  :)


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: chaos on February 16, 2009, 03:35:40 PM
You did the right thing Chaos. Mods have to follow Rons rules.  :)
Well someone is saying disgusted is leaving because his thread was moved. I'm trying to find out if it's true. :-\


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: danielson on February 16, 2009, 04:28:01 PM
Well someone is saying disgusted is leaving because his thread was moved. I'm trying to find out if it's true. :-\

If it is true, it just proves he was indeed trying to rip people off. I mean come on a "magic powder". How stupid does he think we(Stavios notwithstanding) are?


Title: Re: Ask Disgusted.....Q&A thread
Post by: B_B_C on January 02, 2012, 07:40:49 AM
Wife won't give me any fellacio, any tips on how to help this happen ?

tie a few bank notes to the end of your flag pole