Yes!! Great idea!!
Thanks for taking part Milos 8)
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Milos whats best to eat backstage when pumping up? Some guys eat chocolate others even like to drink cola....but whats your opinion?
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That depends on your complete contest prep...
Many guys (in Europe or World Championships) deplete all the way until the day of the show (or night before) and at that point they start eating "junk", "sugars"...(some I believe call this "shit loading"...Excuse my Spanish...)
I did 72 pro shows and 72 slightly different things...
There is not ONE BEST WAY to do things...there are many ways...
Bodybuilders should do something JUST BECAUSE it is expected from them...They should respond to their individual and particular needs...
So, if there is PUMP you are after...back stage...and you are empty...and can't "pump" for the life of you...THAN maybe some sugars will be appropriate...I often have glucose tablets - as there is no better way to get GLUCOSE faster and safer than that...
Remember - within only 3 minutes GLUCOSE finds its way into the blood stream...Now, if you know what that means - you can do certain things....
And when I say; don't do what is expected but what you need - I mean in many ways...Training/supplementation/diet/Rx...don't just be "monkey see, monkey was told...so monkey do" type of bodybuilder...
I had the other day competitor in my gym asking me how should he take THYROID...I looked at him and said; you need thyroid as much as
Nasser needs more imagination....
As he didn't realize what I am saying - I said: WHY WOULD YOU EVER TAKE THYROID looking as you do right now (guy was BEYOND RIPPED)...and he simply said: but I was told that everyone does it...?
Really?
Well, do you know WHAT will probably happened if you take this POTENT medication at this point ?
I would get leaner....
Do you think you can get leaner than this?
Well...no...but I heard that even you used it.... ::) ::) ::)
YES, when I needed it - I used PROPER AMOUNT for appropriate period of time with PRECISE GOAL IN MIND...
Again, don't do EVERYTHING you hear other people/bodybuilders do....JUST BECAUSE....Do it if you have legitimate reason for it...
Aloha Milos, great to see another IFBB Pro doing a Q&A for this site. By the way how did you like my DVD? I'll be in LA from July 18th-23rd hopefully we can hook up. Take care, Chris
Hi Milos,
Q. How do you think Luke Wood will place at the Atlantic pro this year?
Milos:
What do you feel about super high reps for muscle gain? I'm talking 30-100 rep range. Some feel it can shock the body into growth others claim it's useless.
Those who claim it's useless are those who never tried it...
But, to me IT IS NOT IMPORTANT HOW MANY REPS YOU DO PER SET...IT IS HOW YOU DO IT....
Now - for ages it is accepted that bodybuilders should train certain way...It is painful for me to even think about it...
Let me ask you:
How many of you honestly thought about WHY most of the bodybuilders pretty much do SAME EXERCISES, with SAME repetition protocols, same sets, same-same-same-same...everything?
You can name 100 bodybuilders and guess their lifetime routines and everyone will be about 90% accurate...
Everyone trains pretty much the same (for really - A LIFETIME...not just couple of years...but FOREVER AND EVER..)
Well, does it really have to be that way?
I will soon make few clips of unconventional exercises I do for each and every muscle group...I am sure some of you would appreciate it (while some would find it ridiculous...)
VARIETY is "THE NAME OF THE GAME" - what I consider THE most important factor in continuous progress...
As long as you CHANGE something in your training and address as many training variables (load, tempo, range of motion, angle, stance, grip....rep range, volume...etc...etc) as you can - there is a very good chance that you are indeed STIMULATING MUSCLES to grow - creating shock that your body is just not accustom to...
Now, if you understand that stimulation of muscle fibers without the presence of appropriate and adequate nutritional support means WASTING TIME...than (and only than) you can honestly conclude if only HEAVY WEIGHT AND LOW REPS produce muscular growth...or...just about EVERY KIND OF MUSCLE CONTRACTION could trigger - muscular hypertrophy...
His best EVER placing...looking better than ever...I hope so..He sure does deserve a trouble free prep.
Now, if you understand that stimulation of muscle fibers without the presence of appropriate and adequate nutritional support means WASTING TIME...than (and only than) you can honestly conclude if only HEAVY WEIGHT AND LOW REPS produce muscular growth...or...just about EVERY KIND OF MUSCLE CONTRACTION could trigger - muscular hypertrophy...
I hope so..He sure does deserve a trouble free prep.
As you would be aware Luke is in training with Con Demetriou for this prep and there will be three Aussies on stage in Antlantic City!
Milos, do you think pros like Ronnie Coleman, Kevin Levrone, Tom Prince, etc (some of the most developed bodybuilders ever) would have been even more muscular had they used amino acids around workouts and done giant sets instead of straight sets with higher loads? Or would they have gotten to their peak faster? Reason I mentioned these pros is that Tom was very anti-supplement, Kevin reportedly never used any kinds of supplements and Ronnie went to a restaurant after training to eat.
Also, is giant sets something you prescribe year round or do you put in blocks of straight set training (more traditional training) at some point during a training year?
Miss you brother.. Please give my best to Mila & the rest of the Fullerton crew. 10 weeks out and on target. The exercises you showed have done wonders.. Thanks for the knowledge. Disgusted is working his magic. I went back to old school contest prep and I'm 3 weeks ahead conditioning wise. I'll be guest posing 3 weeks out from the AC.. You will be very happy ;)
Miss you brother.. Please give my best to Mila & the rest of the Fullerton crew. 10 weeks out and on target. The exercises you showed have done wonders.. Thanks for the knowledge. Disgusted is working his magic. I went back to old school contest prep and I'm 3 weeks ahead conditioning wise. I'll be guest posing 3 weeks out from the AC.. You will be very happy ;)
Nicky.Smth: My 3 week out guest posing pics will be a great preview of what is coming to Vegas.
webcke: Any thing for my good friend Milos... I will post more often. It's my time.
Nicky.Smth: My 3 week out guest posing pics will be a great preview of what is coming to Vegas.
webcke: Any thing for my good friend Milos... I will post more often. It's my time.
Milos has been kind enough to start his own question and answer on the G and O. He wont be logging in much because of his busy schedule, so be patient and he will get to your question at his earliest convienence. Ask him anything you'd like just keep it positive :)*** Reminder *** Keep it positive or your post will be deleted***
I'm not being negetive here Milos, but you did not really answer his question. As you should full well know, there is a certain range for power, strength and hypertrophy and you can hit a muscle so many ways.
Milos, do you think pros like Ronnie Coleman, Kevin Levrone, Tom Prince, etc (some of the most developed bodybuilders ever) would have been even more muscular had they used amino acids around workouts and done giant sets instead of straight sets with higher loads? Or would they have gotten to their peak faster? Reason I mentioned these pros is that Tom was very anti-supplement, Kevin reportedly never used any kinds of supplements and Ronnie went to a restaurant after training to eat.
Also, is giant sets something you prescribe year round or do you put in blocks of straight set training (more traditional training) at some point during a training year?
Those who claim it's useless are those who never tried it...
But, to me IT IS NOT IMPORTANT HOW MANY REPS YOU DO PER SET...IT IS HOW YOU DO IT....
Now - for ages it is accepted that bodybuilders should train certain way...It is painful for me to even think about it...
Let me ask you:
How many of you honestly thought about WHY most of the bodybuilders pretty much do SAME EXERCISES, with SAME repetition protocols, same sets, same-same-same-same...everything?
You can name 100 bodybuilders and guess their lifetime routines and everyone will be about 90% accurate...
Everyone trains pretty much the same (for really - A LIFETIME...not just couple of years...but FOREVER AND EVER..)
Well, does it really have to be that way?
I will soon make few clips of unconventional exercises I do for each and every muscle group...I am sure some of you would appreciate it (while some would find it ridiculous...)
VARIETY is "THE NAME OF THE GAME" - what I consider THE most important factor in continuous progress...
As long as you CHANGE something in your training and address as many training variables (load, tempo, range of motion, angle, stance, grip....rep range, volume...etc...etc) as you can - there is a very good chance that you are indeed STIMULATING MUSCLES to grow - creating shock that your body is just not accustom to...
Now, if you understand that stimulation of muscle fibers without the presence of appropriate and adequate nutritional support means WASTING TIME...than (and only than) you can honestly conclude if only HEAVY WEIGHT AND LOW REPS produce muscular growth...or...just about EVERY KIND OF MUSCLE CONTRACTION could trigger - muscular hypertrophy...
hi Milos, can you explain why exogenous insulin better for muscle gains than endogenous insulin?
as i thought both have to be perfectly balanced with carb intake regardless.
thanks
Miss you brother.. Please give my best to Mila & the rest of the Fullerton crew. 10 weeks out and on target. The exercises you showed have done wonders.. Thanks for the knowledge. Disgusted is working his magic. I went back to old school contest prep and I'm 3 weeks ahead conditioning wise. I'll be guest posing 3 weeks out from the AC.. You will be very happy ;)
You mentioned this, when making reference to the shakes you were giving to guys like Silvio Samuel, Luke Wood, and Hideo (can't remember his last name).
I have two questions, regarding this:
1) Do those work only when someone is training in this manner, or can they use conventional training method (i.e. 8-10 reps and straight sets)?
2) I've made my cheap version of the shake you recommended using 60 ml (2 fl oz.) of liquid aminos, 6 grams creatine (w/35 grams of dextrose included), and 5 grams of glutamine. Is there any way I can improve that recipe?
First, if we all understand the real REASON to follow KETOGENIC TYPE OF DIET for bodybuilders and/or realize that DNL (or De Nuovo Lipogenesis) hardly happens in humans ( I know I am opening a can of worms, but - oh well... or maybe better choice of words would be that humans have very limited DNL capacity )- we can structure pretty much the PERFECT DIET where we could simultaneously build muscle and loose fat at the same time...could you expand on this milos?
Well, the best way would certainly be IF one can achieve MAXIMAL STIMULATION of MAXIMAL amount (and type) of different muscle fibers
which is achieved certainly by PRECISE utilization of GIANT SETS.
You are not being negative here Coach?
Again, you jump in to tell me that I did not really answer his question?
Really?
QUESTION:
Milos:
What do you feel about super high reps for muscle gain? I'm talking 30-100 rep range. Some feel it can shock the body into growth others claim it's useless.
Milos
Even though you claimed (maybe im wrong?) plasma expanders = bullshit that doesnt work, can you tell me why pro's like lobarede claim they used them with "wonderfull" results?
MilosNot to step on Milos' toes here, but I have used the giant set method with good results and naturally as well. At first your strength will go down, but after a few weeks it starts coming back up and before long you are doing giant sets with the same weight you were doing straight sets with. I did not use the # of exercises Milos' does, I used far less, about 5-6 for a giants set. it was a fun alternative for awhile.
is your Giant-Set program also beneficial for naturals or is this too much stimulation so they can't even compensate the broken down tissue??
milos whats your opinion on morning cardio? :D
Milos
is your Giant-Set program also beneficial for naturals or is this too much stimulation so they can't even compensate the broken down tissue??
Miss you brother.. Please give my best to Mila & the rest of the Fullerton crew. 10 weeks out and on target. The exercises you showed have done wonders.. Thanks for the knowledge. Disgusted is working his magic. I went back to old school contest prep and I'm 3 weeks ahead conditioning wise. I'll be guest posing 3 weeks out from the AC.. You will be very happy ;)
Not to step on Milos' toes here, but I have used the giant set method with good results and naturally as well. At first your strength will go down, but after a few weeks it starts coming back up and before long you are doing giant sets with the same weight you were doing straight sets with. I did not use the # of exercises Milos' does, I used far less, about 5-6 for a giants set. it was a fun alternative for awhile.
IF there are ENOUGH INTERESTED people - I will organize another free seminar...WITH PLEASURE...We have kind of touched on this topic several times Milos, it always seems to end with a "When"?
i am interested ! count me as one
IF there are ENOUGH INTERESTED people - I will organize another free seminar...WITH PLEASURE...
milos, wasn't the last seminar you gave taped?
i thought it was going to be put on you tube or google video for all the people who couldn't make it?
also - what were you saying about insulin's numerous advantages........? ;D ;)
We have kind of touched on this topic several times Milos, it always seems to end with a "When"?
When can we plan for the next seminar? I think it would be wise to push it out a few months so as many people on here that like to talk shit can show up and ask questions.
I had to leave early from your last seminar, so I would like to plan on staying the entire time for this one.
i am interested ! count me as one
milos-
in your opinion, what is the most important factor in one achieving their bodybuilding (physique) goals?
MIND - no question! ;)what do you mean "mind" ... like, mind+muscle connection; or will power to be dedicated, or possitive thinking, or all of them !?
I am open for any suggestions...
Around Olympia time?
Hmmmm - AT THE OLYMPIA?
Milos,
Have you had enough time to review my two questions?
You mentioned this, when making reference to the shakes you were giving to guys like Silvio Samuel, Luke Wood, and Hideo (can't remember his last name).I have brought your questions to this page for easier access. ;)
I have two questions, regarding this:
1) Do those work only when someone is training in this manner, or can they use conventional training method (i.e. 8-10 reps and straight sets)?
2) I've made my cheap version of the shake you recommended using 60 ml (2 fl oz.) of liquid aminos, 6 grams creatine (w/35 grams of dextrose included), and 5 grams of glutamine. Is there any way I can improve that recipe?
King, would u like to share what you and disgusted are doing to get you so ahead of schedule?
Just started a little eariler and with some cardio. I want King very lean much earlier than usual which to me is normal. ;)
So is he going to be closer to his conditiong that he had when he turned pro?
I know his physique cant go back to how it used to look, but what do u think it will take for King to get a top five placing?
Conditioning and conditioning
well hey, thats something that guys arent bringing these days. Did u happen to see the pics/videos from the houston show? there were like only 3 guys in shape at the whole show.
I just glanced at them. Most had horrible conditioning and I did not agree with Silvio winning. Silvio has bad symmetry.I think his shoulders need to catch up with his arms and his legs look huge to his upper body, but he has brought the excellent conditioning before and he's a really nice guy. (at least when I talked to him he was)
I think his shoulders need to catch up with his arms and his legs look huge to his upper body, but he has brought the excellent conditioning before and he's a really nice guy. (at least when I talked to him he was)
Yeah I have heard he's a nice guy. I particularly don't like his DB shot. Waist is too long and he has no lats from the front in that pose. Also agree that his legs are too big for his upper body. He also needs to work on his posing overall. He keeps his legs too bent and too far apart in most poses.yes his posing does suck, but its not as bad as it used to be. And his legs are WAY too big. But i think he won because there wasnt much to pick from in that show, and he's the biggest "name" in the lineup ( other than Darrem). Darrem came in way off, craig richardson looks good, but doesnt have much muscle, Leo Ingram IMO should have won the show, but oh well, cant win em all.
You are not being negative here Coach?
Again, you jump in to tell me that I did not really answer his question?
Really?
QUESTION:
Milos:
What do you feel about super high reps for muscle gain? I'm talking 30-100 rep range. Some feel it can shock the body into growth others claim it's useless.
ANSWER:
Those who claim it's useless are those who never tried it...
But, to me IT IS NOT IMPORTANT HOW MANY REPS YOU DO PER SET...IT IS HOW YOU DO IT....
Now - for ages it is accepted that bodybuilders should train certain way...It is painful for me to even think about it...
Let me ask you:
How many of you honestly thought about WHY most of the bodybuilders pretty much do SAME EXERCISES, with SAME repetition protocols, same sets, same-same-same-same...everything?
You can name 100 bodybuilders and guess their lifetime routines and everyone will be about 90% accurate...
Everyone trains pretty much the same (for really - A LIFETIME...not just couple of years...but FOREVER AND EVER..)
Well, does it really have to be that way?
I will soon make few clips of unconventional exercises I do for each and every muscle group...I am sure some of you would appreciate it (while some would find it ridiculous...)
VARIETY is "THE NAME OF THE GAME" - what I consider THE most important factor in continuous progress...
As long as you CHANGE something in your training and address as many training variables (load, tempo, range of motion, angle, stance, grip....rep range, volume...etc...etc) as you can - there is a very good chance that you are indeed STIMULATING MUSCLES to grow - creating shock that your body is just not accustom to...
Now, if you understand that stimulation of muscle fibers without the presence of appropriate and adequate nutritional support means WASTING TIME...than (and only than) you can honestly conclude if only HEAVY WEIGHT AND LOW REPS produce muscular growth...or...just about EVERY KIND OF MUSCLE CONTRACTION could trigger - muscular hypertrophy...
Now Coach...what is your exact point?
You want to tell me that question was: Can you tell me a range or repetitions for power, strength and hypertrophy and IF you can hit a muscle so many ways? ::)
You want to tell me about the rep ranges USUALLY USED by a rookie trainers (like yourself) who learned "rocket science" of repetition protocols for strength, speed, power, endurance, hypertrophy....?
Oh - let me see Coach..How does this sound 1-5 STRENGTH, POWER, 6-12 HYPERTOPHY/fast twitch fiber specific, 12+ ENDURANCE/slow twitch fiber specific training... ::) ::) ::)
But Coach...why don't we ell people here what is the real problem you have with me?
You told one of my clients and friends from Getbig (Dean)...that Milos is full of sh-aleluyah...
You told him how you know everything I know and than some...and he challenged you about it...
What's more he gave me your phone and I did call you to tell you that I would be MORE THAN HAPPY IF you would want to meet and have little open debate...and compare the knowledge...which you so panicky refused...
I told you that I would be more than happy to publicly embarrass you and show the world how little you know...as I (and anyone else with remotely elemental knowledge of physiology, exercise physiology, clinical and sports nutrition, biochemistry, anatomy...etc) could see through you - oh so easily....
I am still giving you the same offer: bring the camcorder and anyone you care to be there to possibly be there for your support (John might be ideal...as I see him as the honest man who is a TRUE EXPERT, contrary to you...)...
There is nothing else that I can say but: I tried to be nice...I even offered to train you and consult you...but your damaged ego got on the way...
So Coachy...Let me answer my questions MY WAY...and next time READ the real question and not between the lines...
So, news to you a Coach ( ::)...Coach for what exactly? ;D...Waste time? Well, I'll give you that...Nobody does better than you ;)):
Can you imagine stimulating GROWTH and HYPERTROPHY using the number of repetitions that are NOT considered stimulating to fast-twitch muscle fiber development?
Hmmmmm?
T - A - K - E Y - O - U - R T - I - M - E ....think long and hard...and maybe - ANSWER THE QUESTION? ;D
Just started a little eariler and with some cardio. I want King very lean much earlier than usual which to me is normal. ;)
Milos,
Have you had enough time to review my two questions?
I just glanced at them. Most had horrible conditioning and I did not agree with Silvio winning. Silvio has bad symmetry.
Being LEAN much earlier than usual...?
HOW ABOUT BEING ALWAYS LEAN? ;)
Milos is Chris Faildo a lifetime natural? ;D LMAO!
where can we find a copy of the MM2K milos article on slin?
Jim...
I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you...but I think it would be GREAT if people in sport (like you and I...and getbiggers for example) once make the statement about SOMETHING related to bodybuilding judging - like your comment about the BAD SYMMETRY for example - EXPLAIN what is bad with particular subject being judged...
Speaking of that you can see what I wrote about Olympia judging and placings...
If I can find it I'll post it here...
King thanks for coming back to the boards, much appreciated!
I absolutely believe that.
Now, most of you know that I am blunt and when someone claims natural status and it is more than obvious that he is NOT - I tell them directly they are full of (well does ka-ka belongs on Positive board?)
Chris is HONORABLE GUY and I would NEVER QUESTION HIS HONOR - so I do stand by him and claim that IF he claims he is 100% Natural than THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
I, on another hand...I am only 43.5% Natural and PROUD OF IT! ;)
I absolutely believe that.Thanks bro, how did you like the DVD?
Now, most of you know that I am blunt and when someone claims natural status and it is more than obvious that he is NOT - I tell them directly they are full of (well does ka-ka belongs on Positive board?)
Chris is HONORABLE GUY and I would NEVER QUESTION HIS HONOR - so I do stand by him and claim that IF he claims he is 100% Natural than THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
I, on another hand...I am only 43.5% Natural and PROUD OF IT! ;)
Being LEAN much earlier than usual...?
HOW ABOUT BEING ALWAYS LEAN? ;)
Milos, would you consider someone who uses tiratricol natural? Chris Faildo is sponsored by Thermolife and their website says Chris loved their tiratricol product (when it was still sold).
Everyone has their own opinion on what is natural. Chris said in his thread that anything OTC is fine. As you know you can buy a number of anabolic steroids and other drugs OTC. It's not very natural to me.
Milos, would you consider someone who uses tiratricol natural? Chris Faildo is sponsored by Thermolife and their website says Chris loved their tiratricol product (when it was still sold).
Everyone has their own opinion on what is natural. Chris said in his thread that anything OTC is fine. As you know you can buy a number of anabolic steroids and other drugs OTC. It's not very natural to me.
Q for Milos.
What do you recommend in terms of supplemental protocal for drug free bodybuilders leading up to a competition in order to preserve their muscle mass? Regular timed supplementation of BCAA's?
I know that you did not ask me but why would anyone lose muscle will dieting to lose fat??how would any natural not ?
how would any natural not ?
I know that you did not ask me but why would anyone lose muscle will dieting to lose fat??
Why would they, seriously? Please explain.
its surely virtually impossible to accurately time the intake nutrients/get the correct ratio of nutrients/amount of rest/correct amount of sets/reps/weights/ correct amount of calories to only lose fat ???
Jim, I'd be honoured if you could also answer my question...
However in response to your post... It's generally known that naturals lose some muscle when dieting to lose fat, I just would like to know some opinions on how to minimise it?
And it is when your take steroids?
yes, but you have a greater margin for error ;)
regarding this - in his book Ultimate Diet Secrets by greg ellis he quotes studies that show a natural loses 2/3 fat 1/3 muscle for every pound, or something like that.
sounds interesting - the keto diet helps alter this ratio to preserve muscle.
Yes the keto diet when done correctly can enable you to keep most or even gain muscle while dieting. I have trained enough naturals to know that you DO NOT need to lose any muscle while dieting. Too many peole give steroids credit were they deserve none.
well i think there is something in that, as whenever i have dieted using high carbs i always lost strength immediately, and progressively week after week, but on the keto i was still feeling strong weeks into it.
Yep, I learned this many years ago. I have dieted naturals on this type of diet and seen no muscle loss at all.
i assume you use a carb up?
what kind? weekend ala anabolic diet, or just a cheat meal or around workouts?
So, you recomend a keto diet and also (read this elsewhere) consuming some protein and carbs post workout before commencing cardio - particularly when doing 2 sessions?
Yes and no.which part no Jim? no protein and carbs or just no to the protein ..nothing between workout/cardio?
which part no Jim? no protein and carbs or just no to the protein ..nothing between workout/cardio?what ?? why the heck would you ever just go carbs?
what ?? why the heck would you ever just go carbs?
which part no Jim? no protein and carbs or just no to the protein ..nothing between workout/cardio?
ooohhh... i see... i think he is saying yes he prefers keto diet and no he doesnt do protein/carb..but i let him answer.. cuz im not sure
I'm asking the question..read the post, I want his opinion.
what about powdered bcaa? 5grams?
what about powdered bcaa? 5grams?
thanks Jim.. I appreciate the info.
Chris never used tiratricol.
ThermoLife International and Chris Faildo first came to know each other about 5 years ago when we sent Chris samples of Tricana (the worlds greatest over the counter fat burner ever sold) and asked him to try it. We asked Chris to let us know if he liked the Tricana and if he did, would he endorse it for us and let us use his picture in our ad for Tricana. Needless to say that Chris liked Tricana (and so did everyone else who had ever tried it) and in exchange for a few bottles Chris was nice enough to let us use his picture in our advertisement for Tricana.
So his sponsor is lying?
http://www.thermolife.com/news.html#chris_faildo
Chris never mentioned in any interview that he is sponsored by thermolife.
Chris never mentioned in any interview that he is sponsored by thermolife.
Not sure exactly what you are asking but I think I get the general idea. I think it all boils down to money and politics. Gee really ::) ;D Silvio has come into shows with excellent conditioning obviously with your help. So, he ends up getting a contract and this is where things get hairy. If Silvio (for example, not to single him out) comes into a show and is maybe not in his best shape OR! is not making the RIGHT KIND of improvements and place low then it will look bad for the guys who are paying him and sponsoring shows.
Silvio is the type of guys who usually comes into a show in shape as far as conditioning goes. It is much easier to "win" a show with good conditioning and maybe not much size or bad symmetry than to win if you are fat or watery. (although I have seen it happen that way too (Jacoughcough Cucoughcough). Most people here know that I am a fan of conditioning, BUT if you do not bring symmetry and size and a pleasing shape then you should be scored appropriately in those rounds should they not?
Again, not to pick on Silvio, but since he did win the show. His delts need work, his upper body is underdeveloped compared to his legs (which is different than one's legs being too big for your his body) no lat width from the front, waist is too long and he does not know how to hit his mandatory poses correctly which is different than knowing how to pose. Too be honest I really haven't done much more than a long glance, but it was enough to know in my mind that the placings were off, but again no one will complain since Silvio had good conditioning.
Chris never used tiratricol.
Ok I've used Thiomucase Cream and Tricana when it first came out on the market. I won't lie about that.
Milos,
On PBW you stated that you had no problem discussing steroid usage. In your opinion what would be an ideal 12 week steroid program if wanted to gain size? Not to compete but to gain size strictly?
NO, I didn't...
I will be hones and say thaT I would use thAT cycle to prepare maybe for a show like Mr Getbig if the competition would be stiffer ...I believe that's a cycle that would put a guy like me at 85-87 kg max ripped.....given that all product is legit ...I'm 5'11" and without AAS and 8 % bodyfat I hover @ around 180 lbs.
However :
I do not believe for a single minute that a cycle like that would be appropriate for a serious competitor. Test alone would have to be @ 1g plus a week and deca at at least 600 .
For a professional, in my oppinion test is probably at around 3g-5g a week . To say the least...maybe 8-10 g AAS a week total. Not saying that Milos is wrong or lying , just that I believe that the amounts are much higher.
By the way I am speaking both from personal expirience and from working with a top 10 olympia bodybuilder.
This is me clean @ 182 lbs and 8 % bf...I look more defined than I really am because of lightning and slight dehydration. I have used AAS in the past, competed and was much bigger.
Milos,I would think the samething...why test and no masteron or winny ? why rely on diuretics too much perhaps ?
I see something i havent seen in a while advocated. Stopping certain gear before the show. Could you explain WHY you stop masteron 10 days out, Winstrol 5 days out, but NOT the prop? If anything, would you want to minimize the TEST, as it is the only one which can aromatize and cause water retention?
For a professional, in my oppinion test is probably at around 3g-5g a week . To say the least...maybe 8-10 g AAS a week total.
I will be hones and say thaT I would use thAT cycle to prepare maybe for a show like Mr Getbig if the competition would be stiffer ...I believe that's a cycle that would put a guy like me at 85-87 kg max ripped.....given that all product is legit ...I'm 5'11" and without AAS and 8 % bodyfat I hover @ around 180 lbs.
However :
I do not believe for a single minute that a cycle like that would be appropriate for a serious competitor. Test alone would have to be @ 1g plus a week and deca at at least 600 .
For a professional, in my oppinion test is probably at around 3g-5g a week . To say the least...maybe 8-10 g AAS a week total. Not saying that Milos is wrong or lying , just that I believe that the amounts are much higher.
By the way I am speaking both from personal expirience and from working with a top 10 olympia bodybuilder.
This is me clean @ 182 lbs and 8 % bf...I look more defined than I really am because of lightning and slight dehydration. I have used AAS in the past, competed and was much bigger.
Ron Love is the guy Milos. I am not saying you are lying . I'm just saying that you are the only serious authority on the subject who is trying to convince me that a pro is on 750 mg test a week ::).
Or under 2 gram AAS a week total.... And don't try to discredit me by saying that I was never a pro .... I have been bodybuilding and involved with it for 17 years so I have a pretty good idea about what's going on.
still you are trying to convince me that all these pro's and top amateurs on 3-5 g test a week , 1-2 g deca or equipoise, 20-30 iu hgh a day, and 80-150 iu slin.....they could be as big and ripped with only the amounts Milos has given ? Listen to yourself bro :-\sevastase me and you both know that there are plenty of guys out there who are taking in extreme excess of those doseages milos listed.
Milos, what's your honest opinion on supplements? There's so much crap out there and fancy advertising that it's hard to sift through it all.
Somehow ephedra is banned yet you see a lot of supps with it. Then there is that Tren extreme and extreme tren that claim to be one molecule away from being real tren.
I know that you have your own line and some science behind it but you're supps are basic, carbs, aminos and proteins.
There seems to be a lot of junk out there. In reality please let us know if and what these pros really use. I can't see Jay Cutler living off of Leukic or Gakic or any of that crap. With a sound AAS cycle and balanced meals what do these supps really offer?
Guys, this isn't such a light cycle - I believe it. That's a lot of Winstrol week 11 :P 1050mg :o :D During the same week you also have 420mg of oxandrolone and 210mg of fluoxymesterone for a total of 1690mg of liver toxic compounds. My liver hurts just thinking about it. :D
If you were to take the equivalent dose of stanozolol in Zambon Winstrol tabs it comes out to 525 tablets in one week. Not even Munzer was that crazy LOL.
Milos,
I see something i havent seen in a while advocated. Stopping certain gear before the show. Could you explain WHY you stop masteron 10 days out, Winstrol 5 days out, but NOT the prop? If anything, would you want to minimize the TEST, as it is the only one which can aromatize and cause water retention?
2) Regarding my cheap version of the shake:
- 2 fl. oz liquid aminos (Vitamin Shoppe),
- 5-6 grams creatine with dextrose (Body Fortress or CELL-TECH)
- 5 grams glutamine (Vitamin Shoppe)
Any suggestions about improvement?
Guys, this isn't such a light cycle - I believe it. That's a lot of Winstrol week 11 :P 1050mg :o :D During the same week you also have 420mg of oxandrolone and 210mg of fluoxymesterone for a total of 1690mg of liver toxic compounds. My liver hurts just thinking about it. :DI think I overlooked the 9-11 week period....it is quite a bit...I guess I was referring to the first 2 periods....first one at least is light I think.
If you were to take the equivalent dose of stanozolol in Zambon Winstrol tabs it comes out to 525 tablets in one week. Not even Munzer was that crazy LOL.
::) thanks oh great guru ::)Not a guru by any means. Just common sense.
Mods, please ban sevastase from this thread.Everyone is entitled to an opinion DK, but I will say these "Ask....Q&A" threads should focus on questions, if someone wants to discuss a difference in opinion about an answer, they are more than welcome to start a thread about it.
Ron Love is the guy Milos. I am not saying you are lying . I'm just saying that you are the only serious authority on the subject who is trying to convince me that a pro is on 750 mg test a week ::).
Or under 2 gram AAS a week total.... And don't try to discredit me by saying that I was never a pro .... I have been bodybuilding and involved with it for 17 years so I have a pretty good idea about what's going on.
Interesting that there's no Tren the last 3 weeks. Lots of guys like to keep it in for the hardness, the androgenic look, without bloat.
Milos did you ever experiment with mega-doses just to see what it would do?
Milos,
I see something i havent seen in a while advocated. Stopping certain gear before the show. Could you explain WHY you stop masteron 10 days out, Winstrol 5 days out, but NOT the prop? If anything, would you want to minimize the TEST, as it is the only one which can aromatize and cause water retention?
I told him to go on cycle like one I posted here and trains twice daily YES , using my protocol of Humalog 45 minutes BEFORE TRAINING (as I have several different protocols all depending on particulars...) and 5000 kcal per day...
Thanks Milos.
Please, when you have the time, tell us more about the insulin protocols. :)
Also, do you feel timing of GH is important? When would you take it?
Well, why not...?
After all who deserved it more than you Van?
realize that DNL (or De Nuovo Lipogenesis) hardly happens in humans ( I know I am opening a can of worms, but - oh well... or maybe better choice of words would be that humans have very limited DNL capacity )-care to expand on this, milos?
There are many guys out there who came to me - FIND A SINGLE ONE who will tell you anything different than what I exposed here to be TOP CONTENDERS CYCLE...
First of all you should define what you call a Top Contender. Would that mean O competitors strictly?
There are plenty of heavily-muscled physiques around who can also be considered Top of the Game. One doesnt need to be at the O stage to be granted that status. Does it include the men who are potentially top contenders as well? Those who are 'getting there'? Their cycles usually aren't that different.
So in answer of your question and if we're talking Top contenders in general, YES there are plenty of examples of cycles circulating on the net.
U can visit ProMuscle and get some ideas.
Few Olympia competitors I have prepared - I designed programs for...and few actually were scared shitless that I am trying to kill them with 750 mg of test a week....
How did you convince them that taking that much was appropriate? Did the higher dosage u advocated infact enhance their muscles in a positive way? How much were these guys actually shooting prior to your help for them to find 750mg ridiculous?
So, this is POSITIVE BOARD...and I want to spread LOVE rather than HATE...
Yes, although i dont see any hate nor love around here. I just wish for an upfront conversation withouth needless flaming and or insults. Apparently we can.
I am asking ANY of you who doubts that cycle I posted (for the second time in two years) is indeed: REAL CYCLE for Mr. Olympia competitors...WHY WOULD YOU DOUBT ME?
Why would we NOT doubt you? Im sure you understand this position.
What would possibly be a reason for me to lie to anyone about OTHERS CYCLES?
Well, for example= the VALUE of that information.
The fact that it shouldnt be disclosed to anybody else except those involved. The trust.
Usually the subject is talked about in confidence, especially with you.
Marketing strategies. You wouldnt want to be known as a coach who displays information about the athletes who seek your help.
Bad publicity.
These r few examples
It would make me SOMETHING?
RELIABLE (among many other things) to those who seek your help
What exactly?
^^
care to expand on this, milos?
i know you are getting bombarded with questions here. take it as the compliment that it IS ! :)
these requests tie in nicely with my questions. :)
Never mind that I charge 5 grand for exact info...?
I guess I have to just bite that pillow and take it like a man... ::)!?
Great to have u back on.
You left my question unanswered
" Milos, you do know the muscle media 2000 series cannot be found
through web research, it appears that chad nicholls firmly disagreed with your protocol except for the nutritive part, which he states you 'borrowed' from duchaine in his earlier slin-protocol (which i dont find neither).
I'd like to know what your protocol was and perhaps the differences with dan's and chad's.
Obviously i cant get a hold of MM2K mag's anymore, i'd appreciate your explanations on the subject."
A Candid Interview w/ "PRO-X" A IFBB Competitor
WHAT CAUSED THE HUGE SIZE GAINS MADE BY SEASONED PROS OVER THE PAST 5-6 YEARS??
INTERVIEWS ARE A DIME A DOZEN AND CAN GO ONE OF 2 WAYS. THEY ARE EITHER COMPLETELY FUCKING BORING WHICH IS THE KIND YOU READ IN THE MAGAZINES.....OR THEY ARE COMPLETELY FABRICATED, LIKE THE KIND YOU SEE ON OTHER BODYBUILDING WEBSITES. THIS INTERVIEW REPRESENTS NEITHER. THE NAME OF THE INDIVIDUAL HAS BEEN KEPT ANONYMOUS DUE TO CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHAT IS TO FOLLOW IS A MOST INFORMATIVE AND EDUCATIONAL INTERVIEW ON ONE PARTICULAR TOPIC: WHAT WAS THE CAUSE OF THE 20-30LB BODYWEIGHT JUMPS FROM 1994-PRESENT. I MEAN LETS FACE IT, NASSER EL SONBATY WAS AN AVERAGE PRO UNTIL 1995 AND RONNIE COLEMAN WAS A 2ND OR 3RD TIER ATHLETE UP UNTIL 1997, JEAN PIERRE FUX GAINED 40 LBS OF TISSUE IN A YEAR AND A HALF, CHRIS CORMIER HAS GONE FROM AVERAGE TO TOP 3, HELL EVEN DORIAN WENT FROM 230LBS TO 260LBS SEEMINGLY OVERNIGHT. ALL OF THESE MEN HAVE HAD LOTS OF EXPERIENCE WITH STEROIDS AND G.H. SO THERE HAD TO BE ANOTHER FACTOR. AT FIRST IT WAS THOUGHT IGF-1 WAS RESPONSIBLE, BUT THIS PROVED TO BE A RATHER INEFFECTIVE COMPOUND. SO WHAT WAS IT? WELL LET'S BEGIN THE INTERVIEW.
THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN ON EVERYONE'S MIND SINCE THE EMERGENCE OF 280-290LB BODYBUILDERS FROM SEEMINGLY OUT OF NO-WHERE. I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT MUST HAVE BEEN THE EMERGENCE OF IGF-1, BUT THEN AFTER RESEARCHING SOME THINGS, I FOUND OUT THAT IGF-1 IS A SHIT DRUG AND DOESN'T DO MUCH. WHAT GIVES?
I N S U L I N! THAT'S WHAT GIVES! I'VE KNOWN A LOT OF THESE GUYS FOR A WHILE NOW AND I CAN UNEQUIVOCALLY TELL YOU THAT IT IS THE RESULT OF INSULIN THAT THESE HUGE LEAPS HAVE BEEN MADE.
INSULIN? IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN HOW COME SO MANY PEOPLE CLAIM IT WILL MAKE YOU FAT
BECAUSE IT CAN MAKE YOU FACT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND DO NOT USE THE RIGHT TYPE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW TO USE IT SO ONE WOULD NOT GET FAT.
ACTUALLY IT'S QUITE SIMPLY. YOU SEE THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF INSULIN L, N, R , AND HUMALOG. THE DIFFERENCE IS IN THE ACTING TIMES. L LASTS IN THE SYSTEM FOR AROUND 24HOURS PEAKING SEVERAL TIMES THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND TAKES 2 HOURS TO BEGIN TO WORK, N IS MEDIUM IN ITS ACTING TIME LASTING AROUND 12 HOURS AND R IS THE QUICKEST OF THESE THREE, LASTING FOR ABOUT 6 HOURS AND HITTING THE SYSTEM IN ABOUT 30-45 MINUTES. HUMALOG IS NEWER AND ACTUALLY BEGINS WORKING IN 5-15 MINUTES AND LASTS FOR 4 HOURS
ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND THIS, YOU CAN USE INSULIN TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. WITH ALL INSULIN YOU NEED TO HAVE GLUCOSE PRESENT IN THE BLOOD STREAM SO IT CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO ACT ON AND TRANSPORT IT INTO THE CELLS. THE POPULAR RULE OF THUMB OF 10-15 GRAMS OF GLUCOSE/CARBS PER I.U. OF INSULIN WAS SOMETHING THAT I ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH. PLEASE DON'T THINK I AM BEING ARROGANT, IT'S JUST THAT I WAS DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH ON INSULIN IN THE EARLY 90'S AND IT IS DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY DUE TO THAT RESEARCH THAT INSULIN HAS BECOME A POPULAR TOOL IN THE BODYBUILDERS ARSENAL. MANY PEOPLE HAVE CONTACTED ME ON HOW TO USE INSULIN. NOW WITH INSULIN YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT IT IS AN INDISCRIMINANT CARRIER WHICH IS BOTH GOOD AND BAD. GOOD BECAUSE ALONG WITH THE TRANSPORTING OF GLUCOSE, IT WILL ALSO TRANSPORT AMINO ACIDS INTO THE MUSCLE CELLS. BAD BECAUSE IF THERE IS A LOT OF FAT PRESENT, IT WILL SHOVE THAT INTO THE CELLS AS WELL AND THIS IS WHY YOU GET FAT FROM INSULIN. IF YOU USE A LONG ACTING INSULIN THAT PEAKS SEVERAL TIMES THROUGHOUT THE DAY, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT YOU EAT A CARB AND PROTEIN MEAL EVERY 2 HOURS TO INSURE THAT WHEN IT PEAKS, YOU HAVE A NUTRIENT POOL AVAILABLE FOR IT TO WORK ON. IF YOU TOOK A SHOT OF INSULIN IN THE MORNING AND IT WAS LONG ACTING, IF YOU EAT A PIZZA AT 8:00PM, THE FAT WILL GET TRANSPORTED INTO THE CELLS AND YOU WILL GET FAT. THE WAY AROUND THIS IS TO 1. KEEP DIETARY FAT TO A MINIMUM ALL THE TIME OR 2. USE A FASTER ACTING INSULIN. FOR ME--EVEN THOUGH I ALWAYS EAT LESS THAN 30GRAMS OF FAT PER DAY--THE ANSWER SHOULD BE 2.
THE REASON FOR THIS LIES IN THE FACT THAT YOU CAN CONTROL IT MUCH BETTER IF YOU KNOW THAT IT IS HITTING IN 15-20MINUTES AND WILL BE OUT OF THE SYSTEM IN 4 HOURS OR LESS. ALL OF THE INCIDENTS OF PEOPLE FAINTING OR GOING INTO COMAS BECAUSE OF INSULIN HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH GLUCOSE PRESENT IN THE BLOODSTREAM WHEN THE INSULIN PEAKED. WHEN YOU USE A LONG ACTING INSULIN THAT PEAKS AT VARIOUS TIMES OVER A 24HOUR PERIOD, YOU RUN A MUCH GREATER RISK OF NOT HAVING ENOUGH GLUCOSE PRESENT BECAUSE YOU ARE MORE APT TO SKIP A MEAL OR BE DRIVING IN YOUR CAR WHEN IT HITS...I LIKE THE HUMALOG THE BEST AND WOULD TELL EVERYONE TO USE IT SOLELY OR IF THEY CANNOT GET IT, USE THE R. DO NOT USE THE N!
DOES IT MATTER WHAT TYPES OF CARBS YOU EAT WHEN YOU USE INSULIN?
YES! I AM A FIRM BELIEVER THAT YOU SHOULD USE PRIMARILY SIMPLE CARBS.
SIMPLE CARBS?
YES. LOOK AT THE END OF THE DAY THE BODY BREAKS DOWN COMPLEX CARBS INTO GLUCOSE AND IT IS GLUCOSE THAT IS TRANSPORTED INTO THE CELLS. WHEN YOU ARE USING A RAPID ACTING INSULIN IT IS IMPORTANT TO MINIMIZE THE TIME IT TAKES THE BODY TO CONVERT CARBS TO SIMPLE SUGARS. WHY CREATE ANOTHER STEP IN THE PROCESS? IT ONLY TAKES MORE TIME AND YOU RUN THE RISK OF NOT HAVING ENOUGH OF THE COMPLEX CARBS BROKEN DOWN INTO GLUCOSE IN TIME WHEN THE INSULIN HITS. FOR THIS REASON I SUGGEST THE USE OF DEXTROSE.
SO WHAT IS THE REGIME YOU WOULD RECOMMEND?
WELL I SUGGEST THAT FOR OPTIMAL RESULTS, YOU USE HUMALOG AT 10-15IU'S IMMEDIATELY AFTER TRAINING BECAUSE THAT IS WHEN YOU BODY IS MOST DEPLETED OF GLYCOGEN STORES AND IS PRIMED TO OVERCOMPENSATE FOR THE INFLUX OF NUTRIENTS. NOW HUMALOG HITS IN 5-15MINUTES SO YOU MUST IMMEDIATELY INGEST 10 GRAMS OF SIMPLE CARBS PER EVERY I.U. OF INSULIN YOU USE (IN THIS CASE BETWEEN 100-150 GRAMS) I WOULD ALSO TAKE IN ADDITIONAL NUTRIENTS THAT HELP CONTRIBUTE TO MUSCLE GROWTH SUCH AS AMINO ACIDS OR 50 GRAMS OF WHEY ISOLATE. I WOULD ALSO HAVE 5 GRAMS OF CREATINE AT THIS TIME TO AID IN CELL VOLUMIZING.
THE BEST CASE SCENARIO WOULD BE TO DO THIS TWICE AND DAY AND THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO THIS TWICE A DAY IS IF YOU TRAIN TWICE A DAY (THE MORE YOU DEPLETE YOUR GLYCOGEN STORES, THE MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY YOU HAVE TO USE INSULIN TO OVERCOMPENSATE WITH NUTRIENTS)
WOULD YOU USE INSULIN DURING YOUR CONTEST PREP?
ABSOLUTELY I WOULD NOT PREPARE WITHOUT IT. YOU JUST HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU HAVE TO USE IT WHEN YOU CAN IN TERMS OF HIGH CARB AND LOW CARB DAYS WHEN YOU ARE DIETING.
SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT. YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT INSULIN ALONE IS WHAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 20-30LB. JUMP IN LEAN BODY MASS IN ALL THE TOP GUYS?
ABSOLUTELY. I GUARANTEE THAT IF A BODYBUILDER IS STAGNANT AND HAS NOT USED INSULIN YET OR USED IT CORRECTLY, HE CAN PUT 20-30LBS OF MUSCLE ON. THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND. I AM SO SURE OF IT THAT I WOULD BET MY LIFE ON IT. I AM THAT POSITIVE.
ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT INSULIN WE SHOULD KNOW BEFORE WE MOVE ON?
YES. WHEN YOU USE IT, YOU WILL FIND THAT YOUR MUSCLES FILL OUT SO MUCH THAT YOU CANNOT USE IT EVERY DAY. I FIND THAT WITH MYSELF I CAN USE IF FOR 2-3 DAYS AND THEN OFF FOR 1-2 DAYS. EVERYONE VARIES, BUT THERE IS A POINT WHEN YOU ARE SO SUPERSATURATED THAT YOU CANNOT GET ANY FULLER. ALSO I WOULD NOT GO OVER 40 I.U.'S OF INSULIN PER DAY DIVIDED INTO 2 20IU SHOTS. JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND
THAT'S IT FOR THIS TIME, UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO TIME CONSTRAINTS WE HAD TO END OUR CONVERSATION, BUT WILL BE CONTINUING IT SOON. STAY TUNED FOR THE SECOND PART OF MY CONVERSATION WITH "PRO-X"
Great to have u back on.
You left my question unanswered
" Milos, you do know the muscle media 2000 series cannot be found
through web research, it appears that chad nicholls firmly disagreed with your protocol except for the nutritive part, which he states you 'borrowed' from duchaine in his earlier slin-protocol (which i dont find neither).
I'd like to know what your protocol was and perhaps the differences with dan's and chad's.
Obviously i cant get a hold of MM2K mag's anymore, i'd appreciate your explanations on the subject."
I understand you have few time, will or energy to respond to all of us so i will just add a few of my thoughts about your message to sevastase
U know if i were an athlete coming to you, i would want you to be Helpfull in a unique way.
I would not want to come and learn something i already know. That is why you must maintain secrecy and that is also what id wish you'd continue to do. That is why i would Pay you.
Now if you want to answer the basic slin questions, sure.
As I am banned from Chad's site for 5 years (at least...Hmmm, suspensions, suspensions, suspensions...What is the problem now? To be or not to be (suspended)...That is the question now!
Anyway - Chad, whom I instructed how to use INSULIN back in 1995 did say on his board something along those lines...
I interfered with direct REMINDERS which Chad actually did recognize...
I believe that thread is still there and some of you guys could still find it and post it here...
I might even have the same thread somewhere on my board (like "great threads from the past" section...)
As many of you asked similar question - I would try to answer them all with this post:
WHY would I stop something or simply change anything????
Always for a VALID REASON...
Think about WHAT (in the world?) would possibly be a reason to change or do something???
I see that you guessed it: water retention...
Now, without attacking you directly or anything...I would really want to ask you WHY would you think that: "it is the only one which can aromatize that cause water retention? "...
TP4U, I'm not sure what Milos meant there but a steroid can cause water retention without aromatizing. Perhaps he feels those compounds cause some water retention.
I think the above quote was from On_Swole (a contest prep guy who has expert stars here).
I believe this is an old interview with Milos :D
What Chad said his athletes did with the insulin I kind of doubt. One day a week, a couple of 6iu shots. ::) :P
Seems like that's pretty much how he still uses it.
More info on insulin.
Milos, sorry basic question I know but am interested in your opinion. What macro breakdown [carbs, fats, protein] would you personally suggest for people who are a] just trying to lose weight [soccer moms etc] and b] pre contest dieting.cq, while you wait for his answer, here is his nutrition seminar in the secrets of the pro's dvd... (he has already said it is okay for us to post this)
I realize everyone is different, cycling carbs yadda yadda, but as a basic premise type thing.
Thanks
cq, while you wait for his answer, here is his nutrition seminar in the secrets of the pro's dvd... (he has already said it is okay for us to post this)
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/milos%2Bsarcev/video/x2st3r_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt1_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2st3r/video/x2stak_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt2_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2stak/video/x2svbs_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt3_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2svxu/video/x2svrw_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt4_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2svbs/video/x2svxu_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt5_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2svxu/video/x2sw5i_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt6_extreme
2) Regarding my cheap version of the shake:
- 2 fl. oz liquid aminos (Vitamin Shoppe),
- 5-6 grams creatine with dextrose (Body Fortress or CELL-TECH)
- 5 grams glutamine (Vitamin Shoppe)
Any suggestions about improvement?
Add some Arginin for more bloodflow to the muscles.
cq, while you wait for his answer, here is his nutrition seminar in the secrets of the pro's dvd... (he has already said it is okay for us to post this)
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/milos%2Bsarcev/video/x2st3r_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt1_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2st3r/video/x2stak_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt2_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2stak/video/x2svbs_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt3_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2svxu/video/x2svrw_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt4_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2svbs/video/x2svxu_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt5_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2svxu/video/x2sw5i_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt6_extreme
Milos, why would you take insulin before training? Wouldn't that risk going hypo or at best making you lethargic?
Milos, thanks for posting here, and helping everyone out. I'm a big fan not just of your physique, or your mind but of how you handle yourself.
1. What number of calories over maintenance levels (where you are not gaining or losing weight) should a natural bodybuilder go to, to gain mass without gaining too much fat? Lets say my maintenance calories are 3,000.
2. Should a natural bodybuilder go on a "bulking" phase for maximum results (eating crazy amounts of calories, and disregarding the fat gain)? Or should a natty just go slightly over maintenance so he doesn't gain too much fat?
If you can get a copy of his Secrets of the Pros DVD it's a good investment. For about 30 bucks you get a 2 hour and some change nutrition seminar packed with info he usualy charges the 500.00 for. As for his recommendations go to his website and read the thread "HI Milos I Have A Simple Question" It's in the Diet/Nutrition/Supplementation section. At about the 4 paragraph he states what he would recommend initally then you make the adjustments for yourself.
Sorry guys - last week was just too much to handle...no prab milos.....:)
Johnnie Jackson is training with me twice a day + regular job...Be back soon...
Sorry guys - last week was just too much to handle...I just missed him the other day............Binias' cover looks awesome!!
Johnnie Jackson is training with me twice a day + regular job...Be back soon...
what do you do?
Just another posing routine I enjoyed doing...
Sorry guys I am so behind at work that I really need to catch up...and I am sorry that I am not here - answering questions...
However I will be back...soon...Coach - don't cry...I'll be back!
Hey Milos, just got my new Planet Muscle Magazine in the mail the other day- guess who's on the cover? Congrats-awesome picture bro.
Thx Chris...it is only 12 years old...(photo on the cover...I look much better today - you know...)It must be nice to still grace the covers of muscle mags even though you've been laying low for a while now. That shows you how much people respect your opinion and physique. I know I do!
also would'nt consuming food DURING the workout divert blood from muscles to the stomach so that the food can be disgested better?I tried your workout today and the shake......
I'm not an expert like you Milos, I don't have my PHD in biochemistry or physiology and I don't know a fraction of what you know, I'm just searching for answers, always searching for information, the more you know the better you're off don't you think? ;D
maybe he doesn't like to answer?
I asked him to do a Q&A like this on the Training board a year ago and he said he was too busy back then.
Sorry guys - last week was just too much to handle...When you get back online, can you just tell us a bit about the great Sonny Schmidt. I know that you guys were close. I met him a few times and he was a great man. He was one of the best. It is sad that he is gone.
Johnnie Jackson is training with me twice a day + regular job...Be back soon...
I tried your workout today and the shake......i own a gym and its rather dificult for me too,my gm is small and only have one machine each.but with imagination you can get to 10,15 or 20 exercices for sure.and for all of you that think you dont gain muscle with this training style,i started my prep this year with 120 kg fat and really out of shape, my contest weight 118kg,that only means something!! i gained muscle!!! training suoer giant sets is very demanding,funny,and hard, the ounos are hard to beat this way,give it a try for a few mnths and you will be amazed.
anybody who bitches about you using "pussy weights" should be slapped, I almost threw up for the first time in all this time I have been working out, it's way harder than HIT and puts so much demand on your cardiovascular system, you train harder than Dorian Yates or anybody and people should not judge working hard by the amount of weight a person uses
I should ask again I know that you want to stimulate growth for every muscle fiber by doing different exercises but since I don't own my own gym ;D
kind of hard to do a rotation of 20 exercises like you did with dennis wolf so would using drop sets and couple of different exercises be effective also?
i own a gym and its rather dificult for me too,my gm is small and only have one machine each.but with imagination you can get to 10,15 or 20 exercices for sure.and for all of you that think you dont gain muscle with this training style,i started my prep this year with 120 kg fat and really out of shape, my contest weight 118kg,that only means something!! i gained muscle!!! training suoer giant sets is very demanding,funny,and hard, the ounos are hard to beat this way,give it a try for a few mnths and you will be amazed.
i own a gym and its rather dificult for me too,my gm is small and only have one machine each.but with imagination you can get to 10,15 or 20 exercices for sure.and for all of you that think you dont gain muscle with this training style,i started my prep this year with 120 kg fat and really out of shape, my contest weight 118kg,that only means something!! i gained muscle!!! training suoer giant sets is very demanding,funny,and hard, the ounos are hard to beat this way,give it a try for a few mnths and you will be amazed.u looked great this year marcos! just wanted to let u know ;D
i own a gym and its rather dificult for me too,my gm is small and only have one machine each.but with imagination you can get to 10,15 or 20 exercices for sure.and for all of you that think you dont gain muscle with this training style,i started my prep this year with 120 kg fat and really out of shape, my contest weight 118kg,that only means something!! i gained muscle!!! training suoer giant sets is very demanding,funny,and hard, the ounos are hard to beat this way,give it a try for a few mnths and you will be amazed.How was your romanian experience ? I thought the lights were bad as ussual and the venue looked like a thirdworld country.
How was your romanian experience ? I thought the lights were bad as ussual and the venue looked like a thirdworld country.damn it sebastian >:(
damn it sebastian >:(I have been to Canada numerous times
I'm seriously coming to Romania and I never got any tips or anything
or told what to bring, I thought I'd get more support
I'd tell you what to bring to Canada :D
garlic for vampries is a must but you guys better not have any fucking werewolves around >:( ;D
I have been to Canada numerous timesdo you live in Cluj-Napoca? :-\
if you come to romania ..pm me ..we'll meet ( ina non gay way hahahaha )
do you live in Cluj-Napoca? :-\no .. I have family there ...i SPENT A MONTH THERE THIS SUMMER .
rip q&a thread :(
time to unsticky it and replace with derek anthonys
Milos is a busy man and the first few pages have made him sell more supps.
He will be back when his sales go down again.
so tell us about your results with this kind of training? has your bw gone up? can you lift heavier weights? has your biceps grown etc etc?
There are a few amazing points about this training:
1) it's fun to do. Basically, i just do several exercises without taking a break in between. When i have completed one cycle, i do another one until i feel exhausted. I change reps and weights around every two weeks, sometimes do super-slow, rest/pause etc, whatever comes to my mind.
2) i burn fat like never before training like this. The constant strain on your muscles, working out for 45-60 minutes without taking a break keeps your heartrate very high. Despite burning off a lot of fat (i can see that in the mirror ::) ) my bodyweight has gone up, so i think that means i burn fat AND build muscle at the same time.
3) i trained DC before doing giant sets and had real problems in bringing my arms and shoulders up. Somehow (and please don't turn this into a discussion on how great DC is, natural al ;D ) DC doesn't work for me. Now i train shoulders and arms each on their separate days and it works great for me.
4) strength: my strength has gone up a great deal since i do giant sets. Like i wrote before, i change reps, weights and training style every 2 weeks, the only thing i keep is doing giant sets, 8 to 10 exercises each workout.
5) i don't do cardio at all yet my endurance keeps getting better. I think this is due to working out without making breaks.
All in all, it's the most fun and interesting training style i have yet come across, if you want to say so. The key point in it is just: Don't do breaks between sets, do each muscle group on its own day and have a greater variety of exercises.
good job man...training has to be FUN (specially if ur not competing/making money from the 'sport')...i think alot of people forget that. training doesnt have to be optimal (as long as you get results), but it does need to be fun or you will soon quit.
Having fun is the no 1 thing in training.
Another thing i want to add is that i have been training like this constantly for about a year now and i have never been injured nor had any major problems.
Training DC or HIT were accompanied by constant pain in the joints for me after a few months. I think that the possibility to change so much around is a great advantage of the giant sets.
Jusr wondering. Do you never get tired with giant sets. I am thinking like overtraining.
i wonder how these guys feel ater doing giant sets. i see video of wolf doing a long intense giant set i wonder why he isnt going hypo and getting dizzy since i dont see him sipping any glucose ?Out of breath, light headed, sweaty as hell, pumped like a mofo.....without glucose or anything else.
How was your romanian experience ? I thought the lights were bad as ussual and the venue looked like a thirdworld country.
Hi Milos, what do you think about Dennis Wolfs 2008 Olympia showing?? Do you think he looked better or worse than in 2007 (honestly)??
Could you lead Dennis to the Olympia-title??
There are a few amazing points about this training:
1) it's fun to do. Basically, i just do several exercises without taking a break in between. When i have completed one cycle, i do another one until i feel exhausted. I change reps and weights around every two weeks, sometimes do super-slow, rest/pause etc, whatever comes to my mind.
2) i burn fat like never before training like this. The constant strain on your muscles, working out for 45-60 minutes without taking a break keeps your heartrate very high. Despite burning off a lot of fat (i can see that in the mirror ::) ) my bodyweight has gone up, so i think that means i burn fat AND build muscle at the same time.
3) i trained DC before doing giant sets and had real problems in bringing my arms and shoulders up. Somehow (and please don't turn this into a discussion on how great DC is, natural al ;D ) DC doesn't work for me. Now i train shoulders and arms each on their separate days and it works great for me.
4) strength: my strength has gone up a great deal since i do giant sets. Like i wrote before, i change reps, weights and training style every 2 weeks, the only thing i keep is doing giant sets, 8 to 10 exercises each workout.
5) i don't do cardio at all yet my endurance keeps getting better. I think this is due to working out without making breaks.
All in all, it's the most fun and interesting training style i have yet come across, if you want to say so. The key point in it is just: Don't do breaks between sets, do each muscle group on its own day and have a greater variety of exercises.
interesting. is this in keeping with Milos' techniques?
When you are doing giant sets, are these for the same body part or are you in essence, supersetting different body parts?
Will have to give this a go, how many sets per body part do you end up doing per workout/week?
1) I think so. At least, that'smy interpretation of Giant sets and they work great for me.
2) Same bodypart. I do
Mo: Legs
Tue: off
Wed: chest
Thu: back
Fri: off
Sat: shoulder
Sun: arms
3) see 2)
so for example you might do the following for shoulders;
dumbell shoulder press
lateral dumbell raises
machine shoulder presses
bent lateral dumb raises
?
Guess you would do this three times and then you've done 12 sets for shoulders? Or would that not be enough?
I just did shoulders today.......
I did..
Standing Military press/bent over db laterals/standing side laterals/standing db presses 4 sets
then I did.....
bench with a custom bar with vertical handles, like a hammer curl bar but bigger
seated bent over laterals/seated side laterals 3 sets
then barbell shrugs/db shrugs
Threw in some abs at the end.
So about 25 'sets' for shoulders.
shrugs are not for shoulders, they're for traps which is part of the back muscles, not deltoids, champ. People always get it wrong.
shrugs are not for shoulders, they're for traps which is part of the back muscles, not deltoids, champ. People always get it wrong.Who said traps were part of the shoulder,
Who said traps were part of the shoulder,idiot?
Edited: Forgot this was The Positive Board. ::)
"I did shoulders today"You should learn how to count, I didn't include shrugs in that 25 sets.
"25 sets for shoulders"
and you include the shrugs in those sets, calm down, I was simply trying to be positive. :)
You should learn how to count, I didn't include shrugs in that 25 sets.
either way, nothing is wrong with doing shrugs (trapezius) on shoulder day.I do traps with shoulders 80-90% of the time.
I do traps with shoulders 80-90% of the time.
Me too.Traps are also involved in shoulder movements, laterals, presses...
Reason: Traps may not be a part of shoulders, but only training your delts is pointless.
Back day is hard and has a lot of different exercises, adding traps on back day would just be too much, so i shift them to shoulder day.
Me too.
Reason: Traps may not be a part of shoulders, but only training your delts is pointless.
Back day is hard and has a lot of different exercises, adding traps on back day would just be too much, so i shift them to shoulder day.