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Title: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 03, 2008, 01:25:55 AM
Milos has been kind enough to start his own question and answer on the G and O. He wont be logging in much because of his busy schedule, so be patient and he will get to your question at his earliest convienence.  Ask him anything you'd like just keep it positive  :)



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Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 03, 2008, 01:33:04 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: webcake on July 03, 2008, 01:35:11 AM
Yes!!   Great idea!!

Thanks for taking part Milos 8)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 03, 2008, 01:38:53 AM
Yes!!   Great idea!!

Thanks for taking part Milos 8)

Yes, Milos was very kind.

So ask away! Milos probably has forgotten more stuff about training and nutrition than 99% of fitness/bodybuilding enthusiast will ever know.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Meso_z on July 03, 2008, 04:10:26 AM
8)

Milos whats best to eat backstage when pumping up? Some guys eat chocolate others even like to drink cola....but whats your opinion?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 03, 2008, 09:23:27 AM
Milos whats best to eat backstage when pumping up? Some guys eat chocolate others even like to drink cola....but whats your opinion?

That depends on your complete contest prep...

Many guys (in Europe or World Championships) deplete all the way until the day of the show (or night before) and at that point they start eating "junk", "sugars"...(some I believe call this "shit loading"...Excuse my Spanish...)

I did 72 pro shows and 72 slightly different things...

There is not ONE BEST WAY to do things...there are many ways...

Bodybuilders should do something JUST BECAUSE it is expected from them...They should respond to their individual and particular needs...

So, if there is PUMP you are after...back stage...and you are empty...and can't "pump" for the life of you...THAN maybe some sugars will be appropriate...I often have glucose tablets - as there is no better way to get GLUCOSE faster and safer than that...

Remember - within only 3 minutes GLUCOSE finds its way into the blood stream...Now, if you know what that means - you can do certain things....


And when I say; don't do what is expected but what you need - I mean in many ways...Training/supplementation/diet/Rx...don't just be "monkey see, monkey was told...so monkey do" type of bodybuilder...

I had the other day competitor in my gym asking me how should he take THYROID...I looked at him and said; you need thyroid as much as
Nasser needs more imagination....

As he didn't realize what I am saying - I said: WHY WOULD YOU EVER TAKE THYROID looking as you do right now (guy was BEYOND RIPPED)...and he simply said: but I was told that everyone does it...?

Really?

Well, do you know WHAT will probably happened if you take this POTENT medication at this point ?

I would get leaner....

Do you think you can get leaner than this?

Well...no...but I heard that even you used it.... ::) ::) ::)

YES, when I needed it - I used PROPER AMOUNT for appropriate period of time with PRECISE GOAL IN MIND...

Again, don't do EVERYTHING you hear other people/bodybuilders do....JUST BECAUSE....Do it if you have legitimate reason for it...
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 03, 2008, 09:43:29 AM
Milos has been kind enough to start his own question and answer on the G and O. He wont be logging in much because of his busy schedule, so be patient and he will get to your question at his earliest convienence.  Ask him anything you'd like just keep it positive  :)



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Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Zaphod on July 03, 2008, 10:57:07 AM
Milos:

What do you feel about super high reps for muscle gain? I'm talking 30-100 rep range. Some feel it can shock the body into growth others claim it's useless.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: affeman on July 03, 2008, 11:35:43 AM
Which pros are you preparing this season Milos for the Olympia (and other upcoming shows)?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Meso_z on July 03, 2008, 12:22:45 PM
That depends on your complete contest prep...

Many guys (in Europe or World Championships) deplete all the way until the day of the show (or night before) and at that point they start eating "junk", "sugars"...(some I believe call this "shit loading"...Excuse my Spanish...)

I did 72 pro shows and 72 slightly different things...

There is not ONE BEST WAY to do things...there are many ways...

Bodybuilders should do something JUST BECAUSE it is expected from them...They should respond to their individual and particular needs...

So, if there is PUMP you are after...back stage...and you are empty...and can't "pump" for the life of you...THAN maybe some sugars will be appropriate...I often have glucose tablets - as there is no better way to get GLUCOSE faster and safer than that...

Remember - within only 3 minutes GLUCOSE finds its way into the blood stream...Now, if you know what that means - you can do certain things....


And when I say; don't do what is expected but what you need - I mean in many ways...Training/supplementation/diet/Rx...don't just be "monkey see, monkey was told...so monkey do" type of bodybuilder...

I had the other day competitor in my gym asking me how should he take THYROID...I looked at him and said; you need thyroid as much as
Nasser needs more imagination....

As he didn't realize what I am saying - I said: WHY WOULD YOU EVER TAKE THYROID looking as you do right now (guy was BEYOND RIPPED)...and he simply said: but I was told that everyone does it...?

Really?

Well, do you know WHAT will probably happened if you take this POTENT medication at this point ?

I would get leaner....

Do you think you can get leaner than this?

Well...no...but I heard that even you used it.... ::) ::) ::)

YES, when I needed it - I used PROPER AMOUNT for appropriate period of time with PRECISE GOAL IN MIND...

Again, don't do EVERYTHING you hear other people/bodybuilders do....JUST BECAUSE....Do it if you have legitimate reason for it...

Thanks Milos! I hope we have other pros too posting here soon....  :)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: AVBG on July 03, 2008, 12:29:11 PM
Hi Milos,

Q. How do you think Luke Wood will place at the Atlantic pro this year?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chris faildo on July 03, 2008, 03:23:27 PM
Aloha Milos, great to see another IFBB Pro doing a Q&A for this site.  By the way how did you like my DVD? I'll be in LA from July 18th-23rd hopefully we can hook up. Take care, Chris
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 03, 2008, 04:56:43 PM
Aloha Milos, great to see another IFBB Pro doing a Q&A for this site.  By the way how did you like my DVD? I'll be in LA from July 18th-23rd hopefully we can hook up. Take care, Chris

Hi Chris.

I just got the DVD and this weekend I will hopefully find the time to watch it. I will give you my honest review afterwards...
I am really looking foreword to watch it...as I admire your persistence, drive and certainly - phenomenal physique...
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 03, 2008, 04:57:29 PM
Hi Milos,

Q. How do you think Luke Wood will place at the Atlantic pro this year?

His best EVER placing...looking better than ever...
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 03, 2008, 05:13:57 PM
Milos:

What do you feel about super high reps for muscle gain? I'm talking 30-100 rep range. Some feel it can shock the body into growth others claim it's useless.

Those who claim it's useless are those who never tried it...

But, to me IT IS NOT IMPORTANT HOW MANY REPS YOU DO PER SET...IT IS HOW YOU DO IT....

Now - for ages it is accepted that bodybuilders should train certain way...It is painful for me to even think about it...

Let me ask you:

How many of you honestly thought about WHY most of the bodybuilders pretty much do SAME EXERCISES, with SAME repetition protocols, same sets, same-same-same-same...everything?

You can name 100 bodybuilders and guess their lifetime routines and everyone will be about 90% accurate...

Everyone trains pretty much the same (for really - A LIFETIME...not just couple of years...but FOREVER AND EVER..)

Well, does it really have to be that way?

I will soon make few clips of unconventional exercises I do for each and every muscle group...I am sure some of you would appreciate it (while some would find it ridiculous...)

VARIETY is "THE NAME OF THE GAME" - what I consider THE most important factor in continuous progress...

As long as you CHANGE something in your training and address as many training variables (load, tempo, range of motion, angle, stance, grip....rep range, volume...etc...etc) as you can - there is a very good chance that you are indeed STIMULATING MUSCLES to grow - creating shock that your body is just not accustom to...

Now, if you understand that stimulation of muscle fibers without the presence of appropriate and adequate nutritional support means WASTING TIME...than (and only than) you can honestly conclude if only HEAVY WEIGHT AND LOW REPS produce muscular growth...or...just about EVERY KIND OF MUSCLE CONTRACTION could trigger - muscular hypertrophy...
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: CQ on July 03, 2008, 05:25:48 PM
Just wanted to say a preemptive thank you to Milos for his time here. Not to be a massive ass-kisser, but it is great to have someone of your knowledge take the time.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: The Coach on July 03, 2008, 06:14:52 PM
Those who claim it's useless are those who never tried it...

But, to me IT IS NOT IMPORTANT HOW MANY REPS YOU DO PER SET...IT IS HOW YOU DO IT....

Now - for ages it is accepted that bodybuilders should train certain way...It is painful for me to even think about it...

Let me ask you:

How many of you honestly thought about WHY most of the bodybuilders pretty much do SAME EXERCISES, with SAME repetition protocols, same sets, same-same-same-same...everything?

You can name 100 bodybuilders and guess their lifetime routines and everyone will be about 90% accurate...

Everyone trains pretty much the same (for really - A LIFETIME...not just couple of years...but FOREVER AND EVER..)

Well, does it really have to be that way?

I will soon make few clips of unconventional exercises I do for each and every muscle group...I am sure some of you would appreciate it (while some would find it ridiculous...)

VARIETY is "THE NAME OF THE GAME" - what I consider THE most important factor in continuous progress...

As long as you CHANGE something in your training and address as many training variables (load, tempo, range of motion, angle, stance, grip....rep range, volume...etc...etc) as you can - there is a very good chance that you are indeed STIMULATING MUSCLES to grow - creating shock that your body is just not accustom to...

Now, if you understand that stimulation of muscle fibers without the presence of appropriate and adequate nutritional support means WASTING TIME...than (and only than) you can honestly conclude if only HEAVY WEIGHT AND LOW REPS produce muscular growth...or...just about EVERY KIND OF MUSCLE CONTRACTION could trigger - muscular hypertrophy...

I'm not being negetive here Milos, but you did not really answer his question. As you should full well know, there is a certain range for power, strength and hypertrophy and you can hit a muscle so many ways.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: AVBG on July 03, 2008, 06:25:55 PM
His best EVER placing...looking better than ever...
I hope so..He sure does deserve a trouble free prep.


 As you would be aware Luke is in training with Con Demetriou for this prep and there will be three Aussies on stage in Antlantic City!
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Zaphod on July 03, 2008, 06:35:08 PM

Now, if you understand that stimulation of muscle fibers without the presence of appropriate and adequate nutritional support means WASTING TIME...than (and only than) you can honestly conclude if only HEAVY WEIGHT AND LOW REPS produce muscular growth...or...just about EVERY KIND OF MUSCLE CONTRACTION could trigger - muscular hypertrophy...

cool
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 03, 2008, 06:37:18 PM
Milos, do you think pros like Ronnie Coleman, Kevin Levrone, Tom Prince, etc (some of the most developed bodybuilders ever) would have been even more muscular had they used amino acids around workouts and done giant sets instead of straight sets with higher loads? Or would they have gotten to their peak faster? Reason I mentioned these pros is that Tom was very anti-supplement, Kevin reportedly never used any kinds of supplements and Ronnie went to a restaurant after training to eat.

Also, is giant sets something you prescribe year round or do you put in blocks of straight set training (more traditional training) at some point during a training year?

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: webcake on July 03, 2008, 06:39:31 PM
I hope so..He sure does deserve a trouble free prep.


 As you would be aware Luke is in training with Con Demetriou for this prep and there will be three Aussies on stage in Antlantic City!

Cool, great to see some more Aussies on stage!

I wish Luke all the best. Seems like a nice bloke. Hopefully he shows up ready to do some damage.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 04, 2008, 01:03:19 AM
Hey Milos,

I was just asking chris faildo about what type of meal replacement shakes he uses and he uses the metrx version. Im just curious, what MRP's do you or did you have your clients take, if any at all.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Fatpanda on July 04, 2008, 08:25:24 AM
hi Milos, can you explain why exogenous insulin better for muscle gains than endogenous insulin?

as i thought both have to be perfectly balanced with carb intake regardless.

thanks
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Meso_z on July 04, 2008, 12:39:27 PM
Milos, do you think pros like Ronnie Coleman, Kevin Levrone, Tom Prince, etc (some of the most developed bodybuilders ever) would have been even more muscular had they used amino acids around workouts and done giant sets instead of straight sets with higher loads? Or would they have gotten to their peak faster? Reason I mentioned these pros is that Tom was very anti-supplement, Kevin reportedly never used any kinds of supplements and Ronnie went to a restaurant after training to eat.

Also, is giant sets something you prescribe year round or do you put in blocks of straight set training (more traditional training) at some point during a training year?



hmmm, thats a good one.  :)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: King Kamali on July 04, 2008, 02:59:57 PM
Miss you brother.. Please give my best to Mila & the rest of the Fullerton crew. 10 weeks out and on target. The exercises you showed have done wonders.. Thanks for the knowledge. Disgusted is working his magic. I went back to old school contest prep and I'm 3 weeks ahead conditioning wise. I'll be guest posing 3 weeks out from the AC.. You will be very happy ;)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: nicky.smth on July 04, 2008, 03:51:47 PM
Miss you brother.. Please give my best to Mila & the rest of the Fullerton crew. 10 weeks out and on target. The exercises you showed have done wonders.. Thanks for the knowledge. Disgusted is working his magic. I went back to old school contest prep and I'm 3 weeks ahead conditioning wise. I'll be guest posing 3 weeks out from the AC.. You will be very happy ;)

Good luck king..Hopefully you can bring your A package...peace
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: webcake on July 04, 2008, 05:34:24 PM
Miss you brother.. Please give my best to Mila & the rest of the Fullerton crew. 10 weeks out and on target. The exercises you showed have done wonders.. Thanks for the knowledge. Disgusted is working his magic. I went back to old school contest prep and I'm 3 weeks ahead conditioning wise. I'll be guest posing 3 weeks out from the AC.. You will be very happy ;)

wow, King, long time no see.

This is the positive board, you should post more. The peeps who post here are cool. No arguing or stupid shit here, just people who are generally interested in what you guys have to say.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: King Kamali on July 04, 2008, 07:13:26 PM
Nicky.Smth:  My 3 week out guest posing pics will be a great preview of what is coming to Vegas.

webcke:  Any thing for my good friend Milos... I will post more often. It's my time.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: benz on July 04, 2008, 07:20:07 PM
Nicky.Smth:  My 3 week out guest posing pics will be a great preview of what is coming to Vegas.

webcke:  Any thing for my good friend Milos... I will post more often. It's my time.


Hey king, nice to see you here.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on July 04, 2008, 08:30:16 PM
Nice to see you posting again Kamali. :)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: CQ on July 04, 2008, 08:36:28 PM
Nicky.Smth:  My 3 week out guest posing pics will be a great preview of what is coming to Vegas.

webcke:  Any thing for my good friend Milos... I will post more often. It's my time.


Nice to see you here King, and at the risk of sounding an ass kisser yet again I really appreciated what you said on Big Nation radio reference 'certain' comments made here about Ronnie.

Please stick around.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 04, 2008, 10:57:55 PM
hey King, nice to see you posting here. Please share your input whenever u feel the need to do so. This is a positive board, and NO BULLSHIT is allowed. And we'd love for you to post here. And as you can see we have two of the best, both Milos and Disgusted sharing with us here.

So good luck at the AC, bring your best ever, and hope to see u posting here more soon!
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 05, 2008, 10:51:03 AM
Milos has been kind enough to start his own question and answer on the G and O. He wont be logging in much because of his busy schedule, so be patient and he will get to your question at his earliest convienence.  Ask him anything you'd like just keep it positive  :)



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Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 05, 2008, 04:52:48 PM
I'm not being negetive here Milos, but you did not really answer his question. As you should full well know, there is a certain range for power, strength and hypertrophy and you can hit a muscle so many ways.

You are not being negative here Coach?
Again, you jump in to tell me that I did not really answer his question?

Really?

QUESTION:

Milos:
What do you feel about super high reps for muscle gain? I'm talking 30-100 rep range. Some feel it can shock the body into growth others claim it's useless.


ANSWER:

Those who claim it's useless are those who never tried it...

But, to me IT IS NOT IMPORTANT HOW MANY REPS YOU DO PER SET...IT IS HOW YOU DO IT....

Now - for ages it is accepted that bodybuilders should train certain way...It is painful for me to even think about it...

Let me ask you:

How many of you honestly thought about WHY most of the bodybuilders pretty much do SAME EXERCISES, with SAME repetition protocols, same sets, same-same-same-same...everything?

You can name 100 bodybuilders and guess their lifetime routines and everyone will be about 90% accurate...

Everyone trains pretty much the same (for really - A LIFETIME...not just couple of years...but FOREVER AND EVER..)

Well, does it really have to be that way?

I will soon make few clips of unconventional exercises I do for each and every muscle group...I am sure some of you would appreciate it (while some would find it ridiculous...)

VARIETY is "THE NAME OF THE GAME" - what I consider THE most important factor in continuous progress...

As long as you CHANGE something in your training and address as many training variables (load, tempo, range of motion, angle, stance, grip....rep range, volume...etc...etc) as you can - there is a very good chance that you are indeed STIMULATING MUSCLES to grow - creating shock that your body is just not accustom to...

Now, if you understand that stimulation of muscle fibers without the presence of appropriate and adequate nutritional support means WASTING TIME...than (and only than) you can honestly conclude if only HEAVY WEIGHT AND LOW REPS produce muscular growth...or...just about EVERY KIND OF MUSCLE CONTRACTION could trigger - muscular hypertrophy...






Now Coach...what is your exact point?

You want to tell me that question was: Can you tell me a range or repetitions for power, strength and hypertrophy and IF you can hit a muscle so many ways? ::)

You want to tell me about the rep ranges USUALLY USED by a rookie trainers (like yourself) who learned "rocket science" of repetition protocols for strength, speed, power, endurance, hypertrophy....?

Oh - let me see Coach..How does this sound 1-5 STRENGTH, POWER, 6-12 HYPERTOPHY/fast twitch fiber specific, 12+ ENDURANCE/slow twitch fiber specific training... ::) ::) ::)

But Coach...why don't we ell people here what is the real problem you have with me?

You told one of my clients and friends from Getbig (Dean)...that Milos is full of sh-aleluyah...
You told him how you know everything I know and than some...and he challenged you about it...

What's more he gave me your phone and I did call you to tell you that I would be MORE THAN HAPPY IF you would want to meet and have little open debate...and compare the knowledge...which you so panicky refused...

I told you that I would be more than happy to publicly embarrass you and show the world how little you know...as I (and anyone else with remotely elemental knowledge of physiology, exercise physiology, clinical and sports nutrition, biochemistry, anatomy...etc) could see through you - oh so easily....

I am still giving you the same offer: bring the camcorder and anyone you care to be there to possibly be there for your support (John might be ideal...as I see him as the honest man who is a TRUE EXPERT, contrary to you...)...

There is nothing else that I can say but: I tried to be nice...I even offered to train you and consult you...but your damaged ego got on the way...

So Coachy...Let me answer my questions MY WAY...and next time READ the real question and not between the lines...

So, news to you a Coach ( ::)...Coach for what exactly? ;D...Waste time? Well, I'll give you that...Nobody does better than you ;)):

Can you imagine stimulating GROWTH and HYPERTROPHY using the number of repetitions that are NOT considered stimulating to fast-twitch muscle fiber development?

Hmmmmm?

T - A - K - E     Y - O - U - R     T - I - M - E ....think long and hard...and maybe - ANSWER THE QUESTION? ;D


Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 05, 2008, 05:11:08 PM
Milos, do you think pros like Ronnie Coleman, Kevin Levrone, Tom Prince, etc (some of the most developed bodybuilders ever) would have been even more muscular had they used amino acids around workouts and done giant sets instead of straight sets with higher loads? Or would they have gotten to their peak faster? Reason I mentioned these pros is that Tom was very anti-supplement, Kevin reportedly never used any kinds of supplements and Ronnie went to a restaurant after training to eat.

Also, is giant sets something you prescribe year round or do you put in blocks of straight set training (more traditional training) at some point during a training year?



1) I absolutely do...

That doesn't mean they didn't achieve ABSOLUTELY SENSATIONAL DEVELOPMENT anyway...(there are different ways to the same destination...I happen to believe that mine is THE BEST, FASTEST and MOST EFFECTIVE WAY by none).

2) The reason I started training GIANT SETS again was - when I was asked in one of the seminars WHAT IS IN MY OPINION the best, most effective...fastest...et c...etc way to train...

I said without the hesitation:

Well, the best way would certainly be IF one can achieve MAXIMAL STIMULATION of MAXIMAL amount (and type) of different muscle fibers
which is achieved certainly by PRECISE utilization of GIANT SETS.
Than, considering HYPEREMIA ADVANTAGE - if we are able to deliver the EXACT nutrients of choice (anabolic and anti-catabolic nutrients that is) to working muscle (and we know that blood flow to the muscle ONLY reaches certain hyperemic levels DURING and certainly not AFTER the training)...and we can insure RELEASE of ANABOLIC and ANTI-CATABOLIC hormones - at specific, most important time...(when nutrients of choice are in the blood and blood is in the muscle... ;))...potential of muscle hypertrophy will reach its peak...

So, the same person who asked me that question asked me another one:

So Milos, you train like that all the time?

And I realized that I am no better than most of the people I accuse of NOT THINKING and being able to LIE TO MYSELF...

As - if I was honest to myself and asked that question long ago - I would have realized that the ONLY REASON WHY I AM NOT TRAINING THIS WAY IS:...it is too "f-in" hard...and I managed to forget that style of training so easily and make my mind purposely forget to think about it...as I was nothing but a - chickenshit (Coach, I know how you feel bro... ;))...

Anyway. When I realized that I was a Coachy type...I made a decision to become a man...and challenge myself again...

 ;)



Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: MCWAY on July 05, 2008, 05:12:02 PM
Those who claim it's useless are those who never tried it...

But, to me IT IS NOT IMPORTANT HOW MANY REPS YOU DO PER SET...IT IS HOW YOU DO IT....

Now - for ages it is accepted that bodybuilders should train certain way...It is painful for me to even think about it...

Let me ask you:

How many of you honestly thought about WHY most of the bodybuilders pretty much do SAME EXERCISES, with SAME repetition protocols, same sets, same-same-same-same...everything?

You can name 100 bodybuilders and guess their lifetime routines and everyone will be about 90% accurate...

Everyone trains pretty much the same (for really - A LIFETIME...not just couple of years...but FOREVER AND EVER..)

Well, does it really have to be that way?

I will soon make few clips of unconventional exercises I do for each and every muscle group...I am sure some of you would appreciate it (while some would find it ridiculous...)

VARIETY is "THE NAME OF THE GAME" - what I consider THE most important factor in continuous progress...

As long as you CHANGE something in your training and address as many training variables (load, tempo, range of motion, angle, stance, grip....rep range, volume...etc...etc) as you can - there is a very good chance that you are indeed STIMULATING MUSCLES to grow - creating shock that your body is just not accustom to...

Now, if you understand that stimulation of muscle fibers without the presence of appropriate and adequate nutritional support means WASTING TIME...than (and only than) you can honestly conclude if only HEAVY WEIGHT AND LOW REPS produce muscular growth...or...just about EVERY KIND OF MUSCLE CONTRACTION could trigger - muscular hypertrophy...

You mentioned this, when making reference to the shakes you were giving to guys like Silvio Samuel, Luke Wood, and Hideo (can't remember his last name).

I have two questions, regarding this:

1) Do those work only when someone is training in this manner, or can they use conventional training method (i.e. 8-10 reps and straight sets)?

2) I've made my cheap version of the shake you recommended using 60 ml (2 fl oz.) of liquid aminos, 6 grams creatine (w/35 grams of dextrose included), and 5 grams of glutamine. Is there any way I can improve that recipe?

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 05, 2008, 05:14:06 PM
hi Milos, can you explain why exogenous insulin better for muscle gains than endogenous insulin?

as i thought both have to be perfectly balanced with carb intake regardless.

thanks

Taking EXOGENOUS insulin has NUMEROUS ADVANTAGES...NUMEROUS.

I am sorry to make you wait...but it is Family time for me...so stay tuned...
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 05, 2008, 05:16:16 PM
Miss you brother.. Please give my best to Mila & the rest of the Fullerton crew. 10 weeks out and on target. The exercises you showed have done wonders.. Thanks for the knowledge. Disgusted is working his magic. I went back to old school contest prep and I'm 3 weeks ahead conditioning wise. I'll be guest posing 3 weeks out from the AC.. You will be very happy ;)

King - ALL THE BEST bro and remember - IF you need anything - you know how to find me.

I am sure that you and Disgusted have everything in control and IF you need additional conformation for anything - just call.

Take care!
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 05, 2008, 05:24:53 PM
You mentioned this, when making reference to the shakes you were giving to guys like Silvio Samuel, Luke Wood, and Hideo (can't remember his last name).

I have two questions, regarding this:

1) Do those work only when someone is training in this manner, or can they use conventional training method (i.e. 8-10 reps and straight sets)?

2) I've made my cheap version of the shake you recommended using 60 ml (2 fl oz.) of liquid aminos, 6 grams creatine (w/35 grams of dextrose included), and 5 grams of glutamine. Is there any way I can improve that recipe?



Perfect question for me to answer...but I need extra time to do it properly...so please stay tuned...
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: candidizzle on July 05, 2008, 05:28:31 PM
First, if we all understand the real REASON to follow KETOGENIC TYPE OF DIET for bodybuilders and/or realize that DNL (or De Nuovo Lipogenesis) hardly happens in humans ( I know I am opening a can of worms, but - oh well... or maybe better choice of words would be that humans have very limited DNL capacity )- we can structure pretty much the PERFECT DIET where we could simultaneously build muscle and loose fat at the same time...

could you expand on this milos?

is this the diet you lay out in the 'secret of the pro's" nutrition seminar portion?



Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 05, 2008, 06:15:29 PM

Well, the best way would certainly be IF one can achieve MAXIMAL STIMULATION of MAXIMAL amount (and type) of different muscle fibers
which is achieved certainly by PRECISE utilization of GIANT SETS.


How do you decide the training volume an athlete does in a given workout? How often should you train a muscle?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: nicky.smth on July 05, 2008, 07:30:49 PM
You are not being negative here Coach?
Again, you jump in to tell me that I did not really answer his question?

Really?

QUESTION:

Milos:
What do you feel about super high reps for muscle gain? I'm talking 30-100 rep range. Some feel it can shock the body into growth others claim it's useless.


Easy Milos this isn't the owning Board... ;D

Forget about the Coach He isn't worth your time...And he's to busy training Hollywood super stars..
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: benz on July 05, 2008, 08:23:08 PM
Milos
Even though you claimed (maybe im wrong?) plasma expanders = bullshit that doesnt work, can you tell me why pro's like lobarede claim they used them with "wonderfull" results?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 06, 2008, 12:51:27 AM
Milos
Even though you claimed (maybe im wrong?) plasma expanders = bullshit that doesnt work, can you tell me why pro's like lobarede claim they used them with "wonderfull" results?

Even though I claimed that I did finally find out the way how to correctly and effectively (but still not SAFELY enough!...by my standards anyway...) use Plasma Expanders for the PRE CONTEST method for bodybuilders [to specifically and intentionally manipulate water distribution within the body...directing the water from the unwanted places :-X into the very much wanted  ;D places or spaces of the body ... By being able to achieve the "ideal hydration" rather than the usual and very DANGEROUS and unhealthy dehydration often seen on the stages of bodybuilding competitions, for decades.

I publicly urged bodybuilders NOT to try PE...because of the high risks and potentially deleterious outcome...

Potential to move extracellular water into the vascular system theoretically would make PE interesting to competing bodybuilder...but, speaking from personal experience - it is hardly worth it and very hard to find with 100% certainty correct amount, timing, kind of PE...lenght of complete "mini-cycle"...etc..etc...Simply - there are so many variables - it is NOT something I would EVER advice to anyone...except for suicidal candidates...and well - maybe Coach...( :-* :-* :-*Just kidding Couch...BTW - am I answering the question by your standards?)

Well, speaking of answering the question...

Can you show me WONDERFUL RESULTS Christian supposedly achieved...?

Maybe from his point of view holding only Atlantic Ocean Equivalent of the subcutaneous water instead of his usual Pacific Ocean Full is WONDERFUL indeed...

Christian - you know I am only kidding...I did call you a "human sponge" few times at the shows...but never Pacific Ocean...

You must realize that calling you Atlantic Ocean is in reality - compliment...as:

Atlantic Ocean is the second-largest of the world's oceanic divisions - but still much smaller than Pacific..
The volume of the Atlantic Ocean is 354,700,000 cubic kilometers (85,100,000 cu mi)...as you see - much less than your "usual"... ;D ;D

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 06:00:33 AM
milos whats your opinion on morning cardio?  :D
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: DK II on July 06, 2008, 09:05:30 AM
Great thread, thanks a lot Milos!
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: affeman on July 06, 2008, 09:25:23 AM
Milos
is your Giant-Set program also beneficial for naturals or is this too much stimulation so they can't even compensate the broken down tissue??
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 11:10:56 AM
Milos
is your Giant-Set program also beneficial for naturals or is this too much stimulation so they can't even compensate the broken down tissue??
Not to step on Milos' toes here, but I have used the giant set method with good results and naturally as well. At first your strength will go down, but after a few weeks it starts coming back up and before long you are doing giant sets with the same weight you were doing straight sets with. I did not use the # of exercises Milos' does, I used far less, about 5-6 for a giants set. it was a fun alternative for awhile.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Pete Nice on July 06, 2008, 12:34:06 PM
Milos,

Great to have you back posting again.

How close to failure should you go when completing an excercise during a Giant set?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 06, 2008, 01:50:33 PM
milos whats your opinion on morning cardio?  :D

Make sure you do it in the morning 8)...Otherwise it would not be called "morning cardio"..

Now, if I need to assume WHAT you really meant I can tell you - options are just too many...
Did you want to say - on empty stomach...compare it to ANYTIME cardio...etc..etc...What exactly do you need my opinion on?

*** I do believe that doing CARDIO upon awakening, on empty stomach is VERY GOOD PRACTICE and IMO it does burn more fat in comparison to after meals cardio (regardless of the time performed...AM or PM)...
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 06, 2008, 01:52:58 PM
Milos
is your Giant-Set program also beneficial for naturals or is this too much stimulation so they can't even compensate the broken down tissue??

If you are afraid of TOO MUCH, extremes...and everything in that sense - YOU ARE IN THE WRONG SPORT!

EXTREME is the ONLY WAY...but ONLY - EXTREMELY GOOD things would be my choice... ;)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 06, 2008, 02:06:32 PM
Miss you brother.. Please give my best to Mila & the rest of the Fullerton crew. 10 weeks out and on target. The exercises you showed have done wonders.. Thanks for the knowledge. Disgusted is working his magic. I went back to old school contest prep and I'm 3 weeks ahead conditioning wise. I'll be guest posing 3 weeks out from the AC.. You will be very happy ;)

King, would u like to share what you and disgusted are doing to get you so ahead of schedule?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 06, 2008, 03:08:43 PM
Not to step on Milos' toes here, but I have used the giant set method with good results and naturally as well. At first your strength will go down, but after a few weeks it starts coming back up and before long you are doing giant sets with the same weight you were doing straight sets with. I did not use the # of exercises Milos' does, I used far less, about 5-6 for a giants set. it was a fun alternative for awhile.

CHAOS and others;

Here is the thing:

When I talk about GIANT SETS everyone immediately assumes that what I mean by that is: 4+ exercises in the row (2 would make so called "super-set" and 3 different exercises would be called "tri-set"...when we have 4+ exercises it is accepted as the "giant set") and NOTHING MORE!

So, I want you to step back and think about it.

Do I expect someone to put any 4 exercises in a row and perform them identically with SAME load, repetition protocol, tempo, range of motion, grip, stance...WHATEVER?

What would be a point?

Or...I suggest CAREFULLY choosing the exercises WITH PRECISE GOAL IN MIND...

And USING THIS WAY OF THINKING - numerous athletes from NUMEROUS different sporting activities could apply weight resistance training using GIANT SETS best adjusted to suit their SPORT SPECIFIC NEEDS...

Why expect SAME, SAME, SAME SAME, SAME...(did I say SAME?)

Same exercises (year around...or LIFETIME AROUND to be blunt...Yes, I have witnessed NUMBER of great bodybuilding champions who during their ENTIRE career didn't change much ANYTHING in their training...Almost as they started and learned "BEST EXERCISES" for whatever muscle group they continued doing THE SAME, SAME, SAME - for 20+ years...For the love of God - how can anyone do that?), same VOLUME, same number of sets, same number of reps..same kind of muscle contraction (same eccentric and same concentric part of the movement), same grip...same stance..same range of motion, same angles, same plain of the movement, same tempo, same E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G....Day after day, year after year, decade after decade...

And WHY exactly?

Because everyone fails to even THINK about asking the question: CAN I DO ANYTHING TO IMPROVE ANYTHING?
Anything at all?

As we are the creatures of habit - quite often we just accept something and do it...FOREVER...or should I say - for prolonged period of time - until some A-hole Milos (for example) tells us: "who are you kidding?"

Let's face it: WHY do 90% of the bodybuilding champions from the last half of the Century have ALMOST IDENTICAL everything?
Choice of exercises, workout programs, sets/reps protocols, way of lifting, breathing, resting...even POSING....

Why the same craze continues nowadays...?

Can we even imagine doing ANYTHING DIFFERENT?

Anything better?

How about SOMETHING BY FAR SUPERIOR?

And who is to tell if something is good, better, best?

Well, WE ALL ARE...if we are open minded, listen, observe, exchange the knowledge and experiences, discuss and analyze opinions...and MAYBE test few things together...collectively. ..or alone (doesn't matter really)...

But, I simply propose: LETS HELP EACH OTHER, learn from each other...IMPROVE, progress, EXCEL...rather than boycott, ruin, attack, fight, complain, insult...etc..etc

I have organized FREE SEMINAR last year - mainly for my GETBIG friends and enemies...(hoping that few enemies will show up, talk to me...see who I really am and THAN judge me...) and a lot of people just DIDN'T SHOW UP...

I made myself available for questioning (like this column) but than and there I could respond and answer ANY question instantly...On the net is completely different as I don't really have that much time (and few will question that - not realizing how much I really have on my plate)...

I am offering AGAIN - free seminar with PROMISE that whatever I have to say and show you guys will "blow your mind"...but...as this sounds arrogant and I can't stand arrogance - I have to say it differently...Maybe: EXCEPT to learn SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT as what is conventionally accepted as correct...

And YES, for all of you who have doubts and wants me to PROVE what I am saying...I will tell you right now: I WILL PROVE everything and let you decide with your own logic IF what I am telling is THE TRUTH...

As I never wanted to talk about it - I simply didn't...

But, as many of you guys here talk about Milos and INSULIN...you don't realize that YES, I teached many champs how to use it correctly.

I could have kept the secret for myself back in 1993...but I didn't...
I exposed what I knew and what I experienced to many bodybuilders - and changed their life COMPLETELY...

I helped some beat me in the contest...and had no problem...

I believe in TRUE SPORTSMANSHIP.

Let's have the same tools and than let's see who is better.

First guy who I helped is now talking so much "wonderful things" about me - it is truly sad...

The difference I made in him is still worth checking and improvements he made from 1994 Mr. Olympia to 1995 Houston and NOC shows which he convincingly won - in shocking fashion...

As the very person who's career I helped to the point that he became top contender for years to come - started spreading THE FALSE INFORMATION about my insulin protocol - I decided to PUBLISH THE ARTICLE about correct usage of insulin for athletes/bodybuilders...

I was in very good terms with Bill Phillips at the time and I gave him the article which he published in Muscle Media 2000 - which revolutionized bodybuilding competitions (Hmmm, should I mention that I did that FREE OF CHARGE? Both - athlete who became top contender and multimillionaire editor who gladly took everything I was giving him for years with promises that he will 'sign me up" and pay me handsomely for my contribution to his magazine...).

My friendship with the athlete soon ended up - as I couldn't accept the way he conducted himself in public...and his unthinkable ethics and willingness to spread false rumors with intentions to HURT many people...
While "little jokes" would be no big deal - his attempts to pretty much destroy few careers of bodybuilders who were our colleagues and some my personal friends - by telling them COMPLETELY FABRICATED and FALSE INFO (insulin protocol to be exact) - was ENOUGH for me...

The same guy (we all know who I am talking about) gave DEA some more false info - that made them interested to investigate me in the first place (after certain PRO initiated the whole thing...)...and after I survived everything - he now has few more things to say about me...I guess to best thank me for MAKING HIS CAREER...

Anyway, I am mentioning few things here for a reason...

I said numerous times and I'll repeat one more time:
I love people and I would like to help as many people as I can...
I was raised that way and absolutely love ethics, morals and values my parents gave me (and my sister).
And most importantly: I stand behind everything that I say and/or do...so IF any of you guys from GETBIG have your doubts I would encourage you o come to my next seminar, meet me in person and test me - point blank...

As I was trying to help many readers here with some info - I was attacked as money hungry "snake oil selling charlatan"...only trying to sell my product...so I stopped beating a dead horse...pretty much...

IF there are ENOUGH INTERESTED people - I will organize another free seminar...WITH PLEASURE...

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 03:24:51 PM
IF there are ENOUGH INTERESTED people - I will organize another free seminar...WITH PLEASURE...


We have kind of touched on this topic several times Milos, it always seems to end with a "When"?

When can we plan for the next seminar? I think it would be wise to push it out a few months so as many people on here that like to talk shit can show up and ask questions.

I had to leave early from your last seminar, so I would like to plan on staying the entire time for this one.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 03:26:23 PM


IF there are ENOUGH INTERESTED people - I will organize another free seminar...WITH PLEASURE...


i am interested ! count me as one


milos-
in your opinion, what is the most important factor in one achieving their bodybuilding (physique) goals?  
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Fatpanda on July 06, 2008, 03:30:42 PM
milos, wasn't the last seminar you gave taped?

i thought it was going to be put on you tube or google video for all the people who couldn't make it?

also - what were you saying about insulin's numerous advantages........?  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 06, 2008, 03:45:06 PM
milos, wasn't the last seminar you gave taped?

i thought it was going to be put on you tube or google video for all the people who couldn't make it?

also - what were you saying about insulin's numerous advantages........?  ;D ;)

Panda - you just reminded me...HELL - WHERE IS THE VIDEO FOOTAGE from the seminar?

I was too bust to think about it...but IT IS TAPED and Chapman Media Group HAS IT...


Insulin advantages ;D ;D ;D ;D - Just little bit more patience...please...

You'll see...it is not yes or no type of question it is WAR and PIECE type rather....
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 06, 2008, 03:45:58 PM
We have kind of touched on this topic several times Milos, it always seems to end with a "When"?

When can we plan for the next seminar? I think it would be wise to push it out a few months so as many people on here that like to talk shit can show up and ask questions.

I had to leave early from your last seminar, so I would like to plan on staying the entire time for this one.

I am open for any suggestions...

Around Olympia time?

Hmmmm - AT THE OLYMPIA?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 06, 2008, 03:47:05 PM
i am interested ! count me as one


milos-
in your opinion, what is the most important factor in one achieving their bodybuilding (physique) goals? 

MIND - no question! ;)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 03:50:01 PM
MIND - no question! ;)
what do you mean "mind" ...  like, mind+muscle connection; or will power to be dedicated, or possitive thinking, or all of them !?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: MCWAY on July 06, 2008, 03:51:44 PM
Milos,

Have you had enough time to review my two questions?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 06, 2008, 03:51:52 PM
I am open for any suggestions...

Around Olympia time?

Hmmmm - AT THE OLYMPIA?

AT THE OLYMPIA would definetely work!
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 04:00:47 PM
Milos,

Have you had enough time to review my two questions?

You mentioned this, when making reference to the shakes you were giving to guys like Silvio Samuel, Luke Wood, and Hideo (can't remember his last name).

I have two questions, regarding this:

1) Do those work only when someone is training in this manner, or can they use conventional training method (i.e. 8-10 reps and straight sets)?

2) I've made my cheap version of the shake you recommended using 60 ml (2 fl oz.) of liquid aminos, 6 grams creatine (w/35 grams of dextrose included), and 5 grams of glutamine. Is there any way I can improve that recipe?


I have brought your questions to this page for easier access. ;)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 06, 2008, 04:57:50 PM
King, would u like to share what you and disgusted are doing to get you so ahead of schedule?

Just started a little eariler and with some cardio. I want King very lean much earlier than usual which to me is normal.  ;)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 06, 2008, 05:05:40 PM
Just started a little eariler and with some cardio. I want King very lean much earlier than usual which to me is normal.  ;)

So is he going to be closer to his conditiong that he had when he turned pro?

I know his physique cant go back to how it used to look, but what do u think it will take for King to get a top five placing?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 06, 2008, 06:32:40 PM
So is he going to be closer to his conditiong that he had when he turned pro?

I know his physique cant go back to how it used to look, but what do u think it will take for King to get a top five placing?

Conditioning and conditioning
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 06, 2008, 06:39:49 PM
Conditioning and conditioning

well hey, thats something that guys arent bringing these days. Did u happen to see the pics/videos from the houston show? there were like only 3 guys in shape at the whole show.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 06, 2008, 07:35:57 PM
well hey, thats something that guys arent bringing these days. Did u happen to see the pics/videos from the houston show? there were like only 3 guys in shape at the whole show.

I just glanced at them. Most had horrible conditioning and I did not agree with Silvio winning. Silvio has bad symmetry.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 07:39:36 PM
I just glanced at them. Most had horrible conditioning and I did not agree with Silvio winning. Silvio has bad symmetry.
I think his shoulders need to catch up with his arms and his legs look huge to his upper body, but he has brought the excellent conditioning before and he's a really nice guy. (at least when I talked to him he was)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 06, 2008, 07:51:55 PM
I think his shoulders need to catch up with his arms and his legs look huge to his upper body, but he has brought the excellent conditioning before and he's a really nice guy. (at least when I talked to him he was)

Yeah I have heard he's a nice guy. I particularly don't like his DB shot. Waist is too long and he has no lats from the front in that pose. Also agree that his legs are too big for his upper body. He also needs to work on his posing overall. He keeps his legs too bent and too far apart in most poses.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 06, 2008, 09:21:50 PM
Yeah I have heard he's a nice guy. I particularly don't like his DB shot. Waist is too long and he has no lats from the front in that pose. Also agree that his legs are too big for his upper body. He also needs to work on his posing overall. He keeps his legs too bent and too far apart in most poses.
yes his posing does suck, but its not as bad as it used to be. And his legs are WAY too big. But i think he won because there wasnt much to pick from in that show, and he's the biggest "name" in the lineup ( other than Darrem). Darrem came in way off, craig richardson looks good, but doesnt have much muscle, Leo Ingram IMO should have won the show, but oh well, cant win em all.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: willl on July 07, 2008, 04:12:33 AM
where can we find a copy of the MM2K milos article on slin?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: The Coach on July 07, 2008, 09:01:35 AM
You are not being negative here Coach?
Again, you jump in to tell me that I did not really answer his question?

Really?

QUESTION:

Milos:
What do you feel about super high reps for muscle gain? I'm talking 30-100 rep range. Some feel it can shock the body into growth others claim it's useless.


ANSWER:

Those who claim it's useless are those who never tried it...

But, to me IT IS NOT IMPORTANT HOW MANY REPS YOU DO PER SET...IT IS HOW YOU DO IT....

Now - for ages it is accepted that bodybuilders should train certain way...It is painful for me to even think about it...

Let me ask you:

How many of you honestly thought about WHY most of the bodybuilders pretty much do SAME EXERCISES, with SAME repetition protocols, same sets, same-same-same-same...everything?

You can name 100 bodybuilders and guess their lifetime routines and everyone will be about 90% accurate...

Everyone trains pretty much the same (for really - A LIFETIME...not just couple of years...but FOREVER AND EVER..)

Well, does it really have to be that way?

I will soon make few clips of unconventional exercises I do for each and every muscle group...I am sure some of you would appreciate it (while some would find it ridiculous...)

VARIETY is "THE NAME OF THE GAME" - what I consider THE most important factor in continuous progress...

As long as you CHANGE something in your training and address as many training variables (load, tempo, range of motion, angle, stance, grip....rep range, volume...etc...etc) as you can - there is a very good chance that you are indeed STIMULATING MUSCLES to grow - creating shock that your body is just not accustom to...

Now, if you understand that stimulation of muscle fibers without the presence of appropriate and adequate nutritional support means WASTING TIME...than (and only than) you can honestly conclude if only HEAVY WEIGHT AND LOW REPS produce muscular growth...or...just about EVERY KIND OF MUSCLE CONTRACTION could trigger - muscular hypertrophy...






Now Coach...what is your exact point?

You want to tell me that question was: Can you tell me a range or repetitions for power, strength and hypertrophy and IF you can hit a muscle so many ways? ::)

You want to tell me about the rep ranges USUALLY USED by a rookie trainers (like yourself) who learned "rocket science" of repetition protocols for strength, speed, power, endurance, hypertrophy....?

Oh - let me see Coach..How does this sound 1-5 STRENGTH, POWER, 6-12 HYPERTOPHY/fast twitch fiber specific, 12+ ENDURANCE/slow twitch fiber specific training... ::) ::) ::)

But Coach...why don't we ell people here what is the real problem you have with me?

You told one of my clients and friends from Getbig (Dean)...that Milos is full of sh-aleluyah...
You told him how you know everything I know and than some...and he challenged you about it...

What's more he gave me your phone and I did call you to tell you that I would be MORE THAN HAPPY IF you would want to meet and have little open debate...and compare the knowledge...which you so panicky refused...

I told you that I would be more than happy to publicly embarrass you and show the world how little you know...as I (and anyone else with remotely elemental knowledge of physiology, exercise physiology, clinical and sports nutrition, biochemistry, anatomy...etc) could see through you - oh so easily....

I am still giving you the same offer: bring the camcorder and anyone you care to be there to possibly be there for your support (John might be ideal...as I see him as the honest man who is a TRUE EXPERT, contrary to you...)...

There is nothing else that I can say but: I tried to be nice...I even offered to train you and consult you...but your damaged ego got on the way...

So Coachy...Let me answer my questions MY WAY...and next time READ the real question and not between the lines...

So, news to you a Coach ( ::)...Coach for what exactly? ;D...Waste time? Well, I'll give you that...Nobody does better than you ;)):

Can you imagine stimulating GROWTH and HYPERTROPHY using the number of repetitions that are NOT considered stimulating to fast-twitch muscle fiber development?

Hmmmmm?

T - A - K - E     Y - O - U - R     T - I - M - E ....think long and hard...and maybe - ANSWER THE QUESTION? ;D




Ok Milos, all I said was you didn't answer the question, I did not say I disagreed. BUT that being said, how long do YOU think someone should train on high reps......6 weeks, 8, 12 forever?

Back in the day, and sure you might have been apart of this. When I, Rory, Bob Paris and Jon Aranita were under the guidance of Jeff Feliciano, we did 100's type of training, but for only 8 weeks at a time, the therorie was to create hyperplasia. What's your feeling on this?

Now, you seem to want to get personal with all of posts against me.......fine, we BOTH deserve it. You roll your eyes and when it comes to the rep protocol of power, strength and hypertrophy. But are you going to start a young athlete (not bodybuilder) with high reps? We talk on two different wave lengths here Milos, you talk bodybuilding and I talk ATHLETES. I have certain protocol and periodization that my athletes go through to maximize power, strength, hypertrophy  and conditioning while minumizing injuries. More on this later.

Bottom line is, my training is based on proven case written studies. I want you show me (us) where reps don't matter? Of course mechanics ALWAYS matters.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Petrucci on July 07, 2008, 11:54:22 AM
hey, very cool thread, and cool to see King back here...he is a cool guy , i like him...and make me remember some years ago when i started to go to the gym and so on, and King was the most talked guy around boards (for better or worse lol)

very cool times
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 07, 2008, 12:49:59 PM
Just started a little eariler and with some cardio. I want King very lean much earlier than usual which to me is normal.  ;)

Being LEAN much earlier than usual...?

HOW ABOUT BEING ALWAYS LEAN? ;)

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 07, 2008, 12:52:50 PM
Milos,

Have you had enough time to review my two questions?

NO, I didn't...
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: ATHEIST on July 07, 2008, 12:56:42 PM
King thanks for coming back to the boards, much appreciated!
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 07, 2008, 12:57:02 PM
I just glanced at them. Most had horrible conditioning and I did not agree with Silvio winning. Silvio has bad symmetry.

Jim...

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you...but I think it would be GREAT if people in sport (like you and I...and getbiggers for example) once make the statement about SOMETHING related to bodybuilding judging - like your comment about the BAD SYMMETRY for example - EXPLAIN what is bad with particular subject being judged...

Speaking of that you can see what I wrote about Olympia judging and placings...

If I can find it I'll post it here...
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 12:58:10 PM
Being LEAN much earlier than usual...?

HOW ABOUT BEING ALWAYS LEAN? ;)



Yeah how bout it?  ;D
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 07, 2008, 01:03:16 PM
Milos is Chris Faildo a lifetime natural?   ;D LMAO!

I absolutely believe that.

Now, most of you know that I am blunt and when someone claims natural status and it is more than obvious that he is NOT - I tell them directly they are full of (well does ka-ka belongs on Positive board?)

Chris is HONORABLE GUY and I would NEVER QUESTION HIS HONOR - so I do stand by him and claim that IF he claims he is 100% Natural than THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.

I, on another hand...I am only 43.5% Natural and PROUD OF IT! ;)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 07, 2008, 01:13:19 PM
where can we find a copy of the MM2K milos article on slin?

In MM2K ;)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 01:14:04 PM
Jim...

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you...but I think it would be GREAT if people in sport (like you and I...and getbiggers for example) once make the statement about SOMETHING related to bodybuilding judging - like your comment about the BAD SYMMETRY for example - EXPLAIN what is bad with particular subject being judged...

Speaking of that you can see what I wrote about Olympia judging and placings...

If I can find it I'll post it here...

Not sure exactly what you are asking but I think I get the general idea. I think it all boils down to money and politics. Gee really  ::)  ;D  Silvio has come into shows with excellent conditioning obviously with your help. So, he ends up getting a contract and this is where things get hairy. If Silvio (for example, not to single him out) comes into a show and is maybe not in his best shape OR! is not making the RIGHT KIND of improvements and place low then it will look bad for the guys who are paying him and sponsoring shows.  

Silvio is the type of guys who usually comes into a show in shape as far as conditioning goes. It is much easier to "win" a show with good conditioning and maybe not much size or bad symmetry than to win if you are fat or watery. (although I have seen it happen that way too (Jacoughcough Cucoughcough). Most people here know that I am a fan of conditioning, BUT if you do not bring symmetry and size and a pleasing shape then you should be scored appropriately in those rounds should they not?

Again, not to pick on Silvio, but since he did win the show. His delts need work, his upper body is underdeveloped compared to his legs (which is different than one's legs being too big for your his body) no lat width from the front, waist is too long and he does not know how to hit his mandatory poses correctly which is different than knowing how to pose. Too be honest I really haven't done much more than a long glance, but it was enough to know in my mind that the placings were off, but again no one will complain since Silvio had good conditioning.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 07, 2008, 01:32:54 PM
King thanks for coming back to the boards, much appreciated!

Guys, give King the true chance to 'come back' and you (JUST LIKE I DID) can "fall in love with the guy" ;D ;D ;D

OK - now, for my European, Asian...and other NOT-SO-SPEAKING-ENGLISH people who take a dictionary and translate everything word by word...NO, I didn't mean I am in love with the King... ::)...(and really, who could ever blame me even IF I am? Right Bob, Disgusted, King, Barbara and...7th neighbor on the second floor /the blind one...Remember King? One who is still thanking you that you replace his 2 $100 bills for 5 one dollar bills - on his 13th birthday.. ;D/)

On the serious note - King's passion for sport is OBVIOUS and I really admire that about him.
Also, he is straight shooter - tells it like it is...which is also admirable (at least to me)..

His drive is also something that very few people have...and seeing him train one could really appreciate his PASSION and FIRE he shows everywhere he goes - in bodybuilding circuits...

You can be his best friend or his worse enemy...it all depends on you...He is the OPEN BOOK...If you open the page where is raining - you'll get wet...if you open the page where he is pissed off - you'll probably see a picture of Shawn Ray...etc...

I have NOTHING but BEST THINGS to say about the King...and I know that IF I need something from him - he is just a call away...and he knows that if he needs me - he only needs to leave 15 messages - but I will eventually call him - before he dies of old age...(like tomorrow :o, Just kidding, I was referring only to his old age... ;D)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: candidizzle on July 07, 2008, 01:43:29 PM
milos in your opinion who is best bodybuilder in ifbb this year? dexter, phil, wolf, kai, branch, JAY ??? or someone else?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 07, 2008, 01:47:54 PM
I absolutely believe that.

Now, most of you know that I am blunt and when someone claims natural status and it is more than obvious that he is NOT - I tell them directly they are full of (well does ka-ka belongs on Positive board?)

Chris is HONORABLE GUY and I would NEVER QUESTION HIS HONOR - so I do stand by him and claim that IF he claims he is 100% Natural than THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.

I, on another hand...I am only 43.5% Natural and PROUD OF IT! ;)

Milos, would you consider someone who uses tiratricol natural? Chris Faildo is sponsored by Thermolife and their website says Chris loved their tiratricol product (when it was still sold).

Everyone has their own opinion on what is natural. Chris said in his thread that anything OTC is fine. As you know you can buy a number of anabolic steroids and other drugs OTC. It's not very natural to me.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chris faildo on July 07, 2008, 02:15:57 PM
I absolutely believe that.

Now, most of you know that I am blunt and when someone claims natural status and it is more than obvious that he is NOT - I tell them directly they are full of (well does ka-ka belongs on Positive board?)

Chris is HONORABLE GUY and I would NEVER QUESTION HIS HONOR - so I do stand by him and claim that IF he claims he is 100% Natural than THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.

I, on another hand...I am only 43.5% Natural and PROUD OF IT! ;)
Thanks bro, how did you like the DVD?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: willl on July 07, 2008, 02:18:47 PM
Milos, you do know the muscle media 2000 series cannot be found

through web research, it appears that chad nicholls firmly disagreed with your protocol except for the nutritive part, which he states you 'borrowed' from duchaine in his earlier slin-protocol (which i dont find neither).

I'd like to know what your protocol was and perhaps the differences with dan's and chad's.

Obviously i cant get a hold of MM2K mag's anymore, i'd appreciate your explanations on the subject.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 07, 2008, 04:50:45 PM
Being LEAN much earlier than usual...?

HOW ABOUT BEING ALWAYS LEAN? ;)



Since you did post this Milos. What is YOUR secret to staying lean all year long. Ive read poliquin articles that said that you can eat cheesecake and garlic bread all day and stay below 6%, but for someone who doesnt have as gifted as genetics as you do. What is the key, to ALWAYS staying lean.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: irishmuscle on July 07, 2008, 06:22:42 PM
Milos i noticed on your own message board you have started back into training after more than 4 months of lifting nothing heavier than a knife & fork!  ;) Have your injuries cleared up? I believe you had leg surgery and before that had some sort of bicep tendon injury? Have you any competing intentions if and when you get your pro card back?

Well, just wanted to say i wish you a speedy recovery and look forward to seeing more crazy Koloseum workout pics on your board soon.

All the best

Irishmuscle
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: biceps on July 07, 2008, 07:48:47 PM
Milos, would you consider someone who uses tiratricol natural? Chris Faildo is sponsored by Thermolife and their website says Chris loved their tiratricol product (when it was still sold).

Everyone has their own opinion on what is natural. Chris said in his thread that anything OTC is fine. As you know you can buy a number of anabolic steroids and other drugs OTC. It's not very natural to me.

Chris never used tiratricol.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: benz on July 07, 2008, 07:55:48 PM
Milos, would you consider someone who uses tiratricol natural? Chris Faildo is sponsored by Thermolife and their website says Chris loved their tiratricol product (when it was still sold).

Everyone has their own opinion on what is natural. Chris said in his thread that anything OTC is fine. As you know you can buy a number of anabolic steroids and other drugs OTC. It's not very natural to me.

tiratricol is still produced by sidus, i have one package right here
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on July 07, 2008, 07:55:52 PM
Milos, my wife has really enjoyed the Bootcamp at Koloseum, it has inspired her to push herself harder, Hans is doing a good job with that. ;)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: AVBG on July 07, 2008, 08:54:16 PM
Q for Milos.

What do you recommend in terms of supplemental protocal for drug free bodybuilders leading up to a competition in order to preserve their muscle mass? Regular timed supplementation of BCAA's?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 09:00:10 PM
Q for Milos.

What do you recommend in terms of supplemental protocal for drug free bodybuilders leading up to a competition in order to preserve their muscle mass? Regular timed supplementation of BCAA's?

I know that you did not ask me but why would anyone lose muscle will dieting to lose fat??
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Fatpanda on July 07, 2008, 09:02:38 PM
I know that you did not ask me but why would anyone lose muscle will dieting to lose fat??
how would any natural not ?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 09:05:36 PM
how would any natural not ?

Why would they, seriously? Please explain.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: AVBG on July 07, 2008, 09:05:50 PM
I know that you did not ask me but why would anyone lose muscle will dieting to lose fat??

Jim, I'd be honoured if you could also answer my question...

However in response to your post... It's generally known that naturals lose some muscle when dieting to lose fat, I just would like to know some opinions on how to minimise it? 
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Fatpanda on July 07, 2008, 09:08:48 PM
Why would they, seriously? Please explain.

its surely virtually impossible to accurately time the intake nutrients/get the correct ratio of nutrients/amount of rest/correct amount of sets/reps/weights/ correct amount of calories to only lose fat  ???
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 09:09:29 PM
its surely virtually impossible to accurately time the intake nutrients/get the correct ratio of nutrients/amount of rest/correct amount of sets/reps/weights/ correct amount of calories to only lose fat  ???

And it is when your take steroids?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 09:13:08 PM
Jim, I'd be honoured if you could also answer my question...

However in response to your post... It's generally known that naturals lose some muscle when dieting to lose fat, I just would like to know some opinions on how to minimise it? 


I will but sometimes its best to brainstorm some so we can all learn. You say that it is generally known that naturals lose muscle whiles dieting. I say that that statement is just repeated heresay that most people assume is correct based on incorrect dieting or (most likely) that most guys "THINK" they are losing mass because they are losing fat and can't handle the fact that their clothes may be feeling looser and their measurements are getting smaller.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Fatpanda on July 07, 2008, 09:16:50 PM
And it is when your take steroids?

yes, but you have a greater margin for error  ;)

regarding this - in his book  Ultimate Diet Secrets by greg ellis he quotes studies that show a natural loses 2/3 fat 1/3 muscle for every pound, or something like that.

sounds interesting - the keto diet helps alter this ratio to preserve muscle.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 09:20:45 PM
yes, but you have a greater margin for error  ;)

regarding this - in his book  Ultimate Diet Secrets by greg ellis he quotes studies that show a natural loses 2/3 fat 1/3 muscle for every pound, or something like that.

sounds interesting - the keto diet helps alter this ratio to preserve muscle.

Yes the keto diet when done correctly can enable you to keep most or even gain muscle while dieting. I have trained enough naturals to know that you DO NOT need to lose any muscle while dieting. Too many peole give steroids credit were they deserve none.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Fatpanda on July 07, 2008, 09:24:04 PM
Yes the keto diet when done correctly can enable you to keep most or even gain muscle while dieting. I have trained enough naturals to know that you DO NOT need to lose any muscle while dieting. Too many peole give steroids credit were they deserve none.

well i think there is something in that, as whenever i have dieted using high carbs i always lost strength immediately, and progressively week after week, but on the keto i was still feeling strong weeks into it.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 09:28:29 PM
well i think there is something in that, as whenever i have dieted using high carbs i always lost strength immediately, and progressively week after week, but on the keto i was still feeling strong weeks into it.

Yep, I learned this many years ago. I have dieted naturals on this type of diet and seen no muscle loss at all.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Fatpanda on July 07, 2008, 09:30:31 PM
Yep, I learned this many years ago. I have dieted naturals on this type of diet and seen no muscle loss at all.

i assume you use a carb up?

what kind? weekend ala anabolic diet, or just a cheat meal or around workouts?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 09:33:16 PM
i assume you use a carb up?

what kind? weekend ala anabolic diet, or just a cheat meal or around workouts?

Weekly usually and as far as how many meals and what kind of carbs depends strctly on the person and how close they are to their show..
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: AVBG on July 07, 2008, 09:33:38 PM
So, you recomend a keto diet and also (read this elsewhere) consuming some protein and carbs post workout before commencing cardio - particularly when doing 2 sessions?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 09:39:05 PM
So, you recomend a keto diet and also (read this elsewhere) consuming some protein and carbs post workout before commencing cardio - particularly when doing 2 sessions?

Yes and no.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: AVBG on July 07, 2008, 09:41:19 PM
Yes and no.
which part no Jim? no protein and carbs or just no to the protein ..nothing between workout/cardio?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: candidizzle on July 07, 2008, 09:42:04 PM
which part no Jim? no protein and carbs or just no to the protein ..nothing between workout/cardio?
what ?? why the heck would you ever just go carbs?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: AVBG on July 07, 2008, 09:43:07 PM
what ?? why the heck would you ever just go carbs?


I'm asking the question..read the post, I want his opinion.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 09:44:29 PM
which part no Jim? no protein and carbs or just no to the protein ..nothing between workout/cardio?

Sorry, yes to the Keto and no to the precardio carbs. Would be OK to take in some whey though before or during cardio.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: candidizzle on July 07, 2008, 09:44:52 PM


I'm asking the question..read the post, I want his opinion.
ooohhh... i see...   i think he is saying yes he prefers keto diet and no he doesnt do protein/carb..but i let him answer.. cuz im not sure
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: AVBG on July 07, 2008, 09:57:31 PM
what about powdered bcaa? 5grams?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Fatpanda on July 07, 2008, 09:59:25 PM
what about powdered bcaa? 5grams?

i have never sw the point of bcaa's? ???

whats wrong with whey or real meat? just time the meal if you need them in the blood stream by the time of the workout. they seem like a con.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 09:59:56 PM
what about powdered bcaa? 5grams?

yes!!
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: AVBG on July 07, 2008, 10:04:10 PM
thanks Jim.. I appreciate the info.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 07, 2008, 10:26:55 PM
thanks Jim.. I appreciate the info.


No prob.  :)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 07, 2008, 10:55:23 PM
Chris never used tiratricol.

So his sponsor is lying?

http://www.thermolife.com/news.html#chris_faildo

Quote
ThermoLife International and Chris Faildo first came to know each other about 5 years ago when we sent Chris samples of Tricana (the worlds greatest over the counter fat burner ever sold) and asked him to try it. We asked Chris to let us know if he liked the Tricana and if he did, would he endorse it for us and let us use his picture in our ad for Tricana. Needless to say that Chris liked Tricana (and so did everyone else who had ever tried it) and in exchange for a few bottles Chris was nice enough to let us use his picture in our advertisement for Tricana.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Azn Muscle on July 08, 2008, 01:31:20 AM
Milos,

       Always been a big fan and admire the aesthetic physique you brought to the stage, its good to see you posting here again.  I have a few questions regarding diet / contest prep and supplements.

1.  When dieting down are you an advocate of carb cycling, gradual decrease in carb intake, or keto diet?

2.  How do you think your own brand of supplements stack up against other supplements in the industry (serious question, not trying to flame)?  You seem to know what you're doing regards to pre, during, and post-workout nutrition and have trained some great athletes so I am curious to what you have to say.  I've never really done much for pre-workout nutrition, and typically just take the usual whey protein / high GI carb post workout, so I'm looking to improve on this.

3.  And aside from your products, would you recommend anything else for a natural trainer? 

       
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: biceps on July 08, 2008, 08:22:10 AM
So his sponsor is lying?

http://www.thermolife.com/news.html#chris_faildo


Chris never mentioned in any interview that he is sponsored by thermolife.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Pete Nice on July 08, 2008, 08:29:12 AM
Chris never mentioned in any interview that he is sponsored by thermolife.

He did appear in numerous ads for them though
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 08, 2008, 09:10:17 AM
Chris never mentioned in any interview that he is sponsored by thermolife.

I think it's safe to say Chris is aware of Thermolife using his likeness in the ads and that he doesn't have a problem with it. Otherwise he would've denied it here or in the G&O thread. If Thermolife falsely says Chris is a druggie he could sue. He can't really confirm or deny the ad - if the ad is false why hasn't he sued or got it taken off the web? If it's correct it means he has admitted to some drug use.

But whatever... it is what it is.   :-\
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 08, 2008, 11:40:26 AM
Just checking in to tell you guys - I have busy day at work...Sorry...
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: BIG DUB on July 08, 2008, 01:22:36 PM
Milos,

On PBW you stated that you had no problem discussing steroid usage. In your opinion what would be an ideal 12 week steroid program if wanted to gain size?  Not to compete but to gain size strictly?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 08, 2008, 01:25:08 PM
Not sure exactly what you are asking but I think I get the general idea. I think it all boils down to money and politics. Gee really  ::)  ;D  Silvio has come into shows with excellent conditioning obviously with your help. So, he ends up getting a contract and this is where things get hairy. If Silvio (for example, not to single him out) comes into a show and is maybe not in his best shape OR! is not making the RIGHT KIND of improvements and place low then it will look bad for the guys who are paying him and sponsoring shows. 

Silvio is the type of guys who usually comes into a show in shape as far as conditioning goes. It is much easier to "win" a show with good conditioning and maybe not much size or bad symmetry than to win if you are fat or watery. (although I have seen it happen that way too (Jacoughcough Cucoughcough). Most people here know that I am a fan of conditioning, BUT if you do not bring symmetry and size and a pleasing shape then you should be scored appropriately in those rounds should they not?

Again, not to pick on Silvio, but since he did win the show. His delts need work, his upper body is underdeveloped compared to his legs (which is different than one's legs being too big for your his body) no lat width from the front, waist is too long and he does not know how to hit his mandatory poses correctly which is different than knowing how to pose. Too be honest I really haven't done much more than a long glance, but it was enough to know in my mind that the placings were off, but again no one will complain since Silvio had good conditioning.

Here Jim...this is what I am talking about it...
If we make some judging comments - it would be great if we all elaborate on OUR VIEWS and/or opinions...

I was asked from someone:

by TheGame76 View Post:

The only thing that really sticks out to me is Hidetatada up in 9/10/11 and Silvio all the way down in 13th. Could you please explain that one?

And here is my answer:

Yes, very much so...and please don't forget that I trained both of them for few months ON DAILY BASES and saw them pose next to each other countless number of times...

Silvio is also PHENOMENAL BODYBUILDER BY ALL MEANS and me putting him LOWER than where he placed is absolutely NOT from any vendetta (what many would think...)

I think he considerably worsened his balance - and his legs are now really overpowering his upper body in many poses...
His back is also considerably smaller and somewhat softer than earlier this year...and that could be said for the rest of his upper body as well.

Look at the photos from the Ironman, Sacramento, Arnold Classic and compare it to Europa show (which he won) and Olympia...

When he lifts his arms up (front and back double biceps pose) it is clearly visible how small is his torso in comparison to his legs...+ what is surprising - his great arms don't look to impressive once he lifts them up...
What seems to be phenomenal arm (in down position) becomes below average arm when is in double biceps pose...(Contrary to Hide's who's arms are becoming incredible...)

So :
#1 - balance issue (legs too big for his upper body)
#2 - torso quite small/ somewhat narrow
#3 - calves need much work
#4 - lifted arms - not as impressive
#5 - lat spread - not as wide
#6 - posing while improved still NOT at professional level
#7 - still making "mistakes" of letting his stomach out on stage (occasionally enough to be photographed with his stomach out.../see some comparison photos on getbig or my site...)

to name the few...
Now, Hide is not perfect either (nobody is perfect...except me - off course...but that is another story...) but he was more muscular, thicker, wider (yes wider even though Hide is not particularly wide), fuller...with better stage presence, presentation, posing...

Symmetry round:
FRONT, both sides and rear relax pose - Balance (Hide), Shape (Silvio), Conditioning (tie), Muscularity (Hide), Presentation (Hide)


Front double biceps: Hide

Rear double biceps: Hide

Front lat spread: some advantages Silvio...some Hide (we can analyze deeply)

Rear lat spread:some advantages Silvio...some Hide (we can analyze deeply)


Side chest: Hide (Silvio is good in this pose - but overall impression goes to Hide...and I am talking about EVERY ASPECT of bodybuilding I am considering when judging)


Side triceps: same as above


Abs and thighs: Silvio


Most muscular: close


Posing routine: Hide




Judging should consider:

1- SHAPE, BALANCE, AESTHETICS, SYMMETRY, EXTREME V-TAPER, FLAT AND DEEP ABS, BEAUTY OF PHYSIQUE, HEALTHY SKIN...AND HEALTHY OVERALL APPEARANCE...as ONE ASPECT OF JUDGING

2- CONDITIONING, MUSCULARITY, EXTREME LEAN LOOK, DRYNESS, SEPARATION, STRIATIONS, TIE-INS, "GRAINY-NESS", HARDNESS, TIGHT SKIN, SHREDDED-NESS...and other EXTREMES of similar nature...
But, here I would also consider muscle Glycogen storage - and FULLNESS as conditioning part of judging rather than MUSCLE MASS ASPECT of judging...

3- MUSCLE MASS, THICKNESS, WIDTH, ROUND MUSCLE BELLIES (could be considered in aspect #1 as well...)...and other extremes of similar nature...

4- PRESENTATION, POSING, ABILITY TO SHOW PHYSIQUE THE WAY IT SUPPOSE TO LOOK (not leaving it up for imagination of others to THINK what certain physique could look like IF presented correctly...), MISTAKE FREE POSING (#1- many competitors forget to squeeze certain muscles...and more often than not - judges would just go with: "well, if Jay squeezed his legs on Friday during the prejudging - he would have looked better so I would give him this pose considering that I know what his legs and physique looks like IF he posed correctly, #2 - many competitors let their "pregnancy show"...and that's a no-no, #3 - also many fail to find THE BEST WAY to do certain poses...etc...etc...), STAGE PRESENCE (standing in line up PERFECTLY...AT ALL TIMES), HITTING EVERY POSE WITH CONFIDENCE AND AUTHORITY, CHOREOGRAPHING ROUTINES with perfect transitions, SHOWING PHYSIQUE TO EMPHASIZE REAL STRENGTH OF SOMEONES PHYSIQUE (and not the weaknesses...Many fail to realize that POSING ROUND is not being judged for actual posing or movement...Fat, out of shape ballet artist or out of shape professional dancer should not win the posing round by virtue of his posing skills...Posing round is PHYSIQUE ROUND where athletes could/should show their strengths USING POSES OTHER THAN MANDATORIES that present their physiques in that "special light" bodybuilders want to be known for...So, aesthetic guy could emphasize beauty of his physique, aesthetic look, perfect shape, symmetry and balance by doing EXACT POSES to exemplify WHAT HIS ATTRIBUTES ARE...
Conditioned guy on another hand could present his shredded physique by doing poses to show his shredded muscles (or maybe hide cellulite?)...and muscular guy should do as many muscular posses...thick guy presenting his thickness, wide guy his width...V-tapered guy his extreme V-taper...etc...etc

If someone succeeds in presentation of his strengths THAN AND ONLY THAN we could say OK - he should have place higher as he is: THIS (aesthetic, balanced, symmetrical...) or THAT (conditioned, more muscular, bigger, thicker, wider...)...
But, many times fans go with picture of their favorite champion AS THEY REMEMBER HIM from before - while only shadow of that physique is being displayed on the stage at the moment - yet "shadow" gets the same amount of points as "sentimental judgment" or "paid dues" treatment from the judges that ALSO consider what once was or what could have been (if in shape)...

WE NEED TO START JUDGING PHYSIQUES ON THE DAY OF THE CONTEST REGARDLESS OF NAMES, PREVIOUS OUTINGS...ETC...POLITICS ...

I am in a hurry actually so maybe I am rushing this a bit...but I will get back to make some points...or rather - maybe WE CAN ALL START NEW THREAD ABOUT JUDGING - and NOT to argue with judges and federation...Not to criticize but rather to START WORKING ON HELPING OUR OFFICIALS FINDING THE BEST WAY TO JUDGE...

To take that "subjectivity OUT" or at least reduce it to minimum...so we (ALL OF US WHO LOVE SPORT OF BODYBUILDING, ATHLETES AS WELL AS FANS) could have clear idea WHY some guy managed to place ahead of others...

Judges should be able to explain WHY they saw Jay superior to OTHERS at 2007 Mr. Olympia...

Did they saw him better in:

1- SHAPE, BALANCE, AESTHETICS, SYMMETRY, EXTREME V-TAPER, FLAT AND DEEP ABS, BEAUTY OF PHYSIQUE, HEALTHY SKIN...AND HEALTHY OVERALL APPEARANCE...department?

I don't think so...as I see many beating Jay in this aspect of judging.


2- CONDITIONING, MUSCULARITY, EXTREME LEAN LOOK, DRYNESS, SEPARATION, STRIATIONS, TIE-INS, "GRAINY-NESS", HARDNESS, TIGHT SKIN, SHREDDED-NESS...and other EXTREMES of similar nature...
But, here I would also consider muscle Glycogen storage - and FULLNESS as conditioning part of judging rather than MUSCLE MASS ASPECT of judging...


I don't think so - AGAIN...



3- MUSCLE MASS, THICKNESS, WIDTH, ROUND MUSCLE BELLIES (could be considered in aspect #1 as well...)...and other extremes of similar nature...

Maybe in this one? So this is "holly grail" of bodybuilding - BIGGER IS BETTER AND NOTHING ELSE MATTERS?



4- PRESENTATION, POSING, ABILITY TO SHOW PHYSIQUE THE WAY IT SUPPOSE TO LOOK

Again...NOT the case (in my book)...


So, let's help our judges...which will ultimately help our sport.

Give your point of view...and we could SOLVE THE PROBLEM - very easily...
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chris faildo on July 08, 2008, 01:30:18 PM
Aloha Milos, thanks for the DVD, I just got it today and will view it this week.  Take care,Chris
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 09, 2008, 02:14:30 AM
Chris never used tiratricol.

Here you go Emeric  ;)

Ok I've used Thiomucase Cream and Tricana when it first came out on the market. I won't lie about that.

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Montague on July 09, 2008, 07:25:59 AM
Great thread!
Many thanks to Milos, Disgusted, and the mods.

They even got the King posting again.
 :)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 09, 2008, 12:31:23 PM
Milos,

On PBW you stated that you had no problem discussing steroid usage. In your opinion what would be an ideal 12 week steroid program if wanted to gain size?  Not to compete but to gain size strictly?

I mentioned somewhere here on getbig what the true IFBB Olympia competitor cycle looks like - and most of the people attacked not just me, my parents, grandparents...and my ancestors but my whole Religion, Nationality...and...OK.. .I am running out of ideas...

Anyway, what I said than (hopefully someone could find it?) and I will say now:

Smart pros use dramatically LESS than what most of the people believe...
Some of the guys I prepare actually complained on amounts I have given here on board - as WAY TOO MUCH...and I do know few guys who hardly touch those amounts...

But, if you want to accomplish THE BEST EFFECT: Highest anabolism, lowest catabolism, appropriate androgenic activity and possible fat loss while trying to maintain (or gain?) muscle size and considering correct usage and certainly NOT abusing any drugs...keeping eye on possible side effects vs benefits...than my 12 week Olympia cycle would be:

4 weeks:
Sustanon 250 - (500-750 mg/week)
Deca (500 mg/week)
Dboll (3X20mg/day)
Trenbolon (200 mg/week)
Arimidex - 1mg /day

5-8 week:
Test Prop 50-100 mg/day alternate with Test Heptylate 50-100 mg day (500-700 mg/week)
Trenbolon Acetate (200 mg/week)
Primobolan (500 mg/week)
Anadrol (3 x 25 mg/day)
Winstrol tabs (3 x 15 mg/day)
Arimidex - 1 mg /day alternate with 2.5 mg Femara every other day

9-12 week:

Test prop 100 mg/day alternate with 50-100 mg Test Suspension /day - every other day (500-700 mg /week)
Masterone 100 mg every other day - stop 10 days out
Winstrol injectable 50 mg /day (week 9) 100 mg/day (week 10) and 150 mg/day (week 11) - stop 5 days out
Oxandrolone (3 x 10-20 mg/day)
Halotestin (3 x 10 mg/day) / Or Andriol (40 mg Test Undecanoate x 3 /day) - either or?
Arimidex 2 mg (possible 3?) /day

With this cycle possible additions:

Clenbuterol, T3 (cytomel) T4 (Synthroid) GH, insulin, Cytadren....IF needed or available...but you asked for steroids - anyway...

OK?

Got to go now...

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: candidizzle on July 09, 2008, 12:34:09 PM
could you tell us how you would incorporate t3 and insulin ?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: MCWAY on July 09, 2008, 12:37:56 PM
NO, I didn't...

I know you just departed for the day, but I hope the next time you log on to this thread, you can answer my inquiries.

Thanks!!

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 09, 2008, 02:24:58 PM
Interesting that there's no Tren the last 3 weeks. Lots of guys like to keep it in for the hardness, the androgenic look, without bloat.

Milos did you ever experiment with mega-doses just to see what it would do?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: BIG DUB on July 09, 2008, 04:52:36 PM
If you be so kind how would you run the t-3, clen, GH and insulin with this cycle also when would be a smart time to include your HCG and Clomid before your 6 weeks off post cycle period. Cytadren is a little too out of my league as it stops the production of ALL hormones in the body. I could see a ton of injuries coming from that. Thank you for your reply.

[quote author=Milos_Sarcev link=topic=222160.msg3124149#msg3124149 date=12156318


I mentioned somewhere here on getbig what the true IFBB Olympia competitor cycle looks like - and most of the people attacked not just me, my parents, grandparents...and my ancestors but my whole Religion, Nationality...and...OK.. .I am running out of ideas...

Anyway, what I said than (hopefully someone could find it?) and I will say now:

Smart pros use dramatically LESS than what most of the people believe...
Some of the guys I prepare actually complained on amounts I have given here on board - as WAY TOO MUCH...and I do know few guys who hardly touch those amounts...

But, if you want to accomplish THE BEST EFFECT: Highest anabolism, lowest catabolism, appropriate androgenic activity and possible fat loss while trying to maintain (or gain?) muscle size and considering correct usage and certainly NOT abusing any drugs...keeping eye on possible side effects vs benefits...than my 12 week Olympia cycle would be:

4 weeks:
Sustanon 250 - (500-750 mg/week)
Deca (500 mg/week)
Dboll (3X20mg/day)
Trenbolon (200 mg/week)
Arimidex - 1mg /day

5-8 week:
Test Prop 50-100 mg/day alternate with Test Heptylate 50-100 mg day (500-700 mg/week)
Trenbolon Acetate (200 mg/week)
Primobolan (500 mg/week)
Anadrol (3 x 25 mg/day)
Winstrol tabs (3 x 15 mg/day)
Arimidex - 1 mg /day alternate with 2.5 mg Femara every other day

9-12 week:

Test prop 100 mg/day alternate with 50-100 mg Test Suspension /day - every other day (500-700 mg /week)
Masterone 100 mg every other day - stop 10 days out
Winstrol injectable 50 mg /day (week 9) 100 mg/day (week 10) and 150 mg/day (week 11) - stop 5 days out
Oxandrolone (3 x 10-20 mg/day)
Halotestin (3 x 10 mg/day) / Or Andriol (40 mg Test Undecanoate x 3 /day) - either or?
Arimidex 2 mg (possible 3?) /day

With this cycle possible additions:

Clenbuterol, T3 (cytomel) T4 (Synthroid) GH, insulin, Cytadren....IF needed or available...but you asked for steroids - anyway...

OK?

Got to go now...


[/quote]
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: ajcuts015 on July 09, 2008, 09:58:41 PM
Milos great to have you with this Q&A section !! What do you feel are the best carbs to carb up on leading into a show say if your following the 3 day deplete 3 day load protocol . If I dieted down on Oatmeal , Sweet Potatoes , Red Potatoes , and Brown Rice cakes would it be smart to use those or go with a quicker acting source such as white rice or white rice cakes , banana's , natural jelly , honey etc and even waxy maize possibly the first two days ..  What do you feel is the most effective way to carb up and really dry up the last week not using insulin by the way  ? Thanks in advance for any response !
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 10, 2008, 12:21:21 AM
I will be hones and say thaT  I would use thAT cycle to prepare maybe for a show like Mr Getbig if the competition would be stiffer ...I believe that's a cycle that would put a guy like me at 85-87 kg max ripped.....given that all product is legit ...I'm 5'11" and without AAS and 8 % bodyfat I hover @ around 180 lbs.

However :

I do not believe for a single minute that a cycle like that would be appropriate for a serious competitor. Test alone would have to be @ 1g plus a week and deca at at least 600 .

For a professional, in my oppinion test is probably at around 3g-5g a week . To say the least...maybe 8-10 g AAS a week total. Not saying that Milos is wrong or lying , just that I believe that the amounts are much higher.

By the way I am speaking both from personal expirience and from working with a top 10 olympia bodybuilder.


This is me clean @ 182 lbs and 8 % bf...I look more defined than I really am because of lightning and slight dehydration. I have used AAS in the past, competed and was much bigger.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: genrommel74 on July 10, 2008, 12:30:45 AM
I will be hones and say thaT  I would use thAT cycle to prepare maybe for a show like Mr Getbig if the competition would be stiffer ...I believe that's a cycle that would put a guy like me at 85-87 kg max ripped.....given that all product is legit ...I'm 5'11" and without AAS and 8 % bodyfat I hover @ around 180 lbs.

However :

I do not believe for a single minute that a cycle like that would be appropriate for a serious competitor. Test alone would have to be @ 1g plus a week and deca at at least 600 .

For a professional, in my oppinion test is probably at around 3g-5g a week . To say the least...maybe 8-10 g AAS a week total. Not saying that Milos is wrong or lying , just that I believe that the amounts are much higher.

By the way I am speaking both from personal expirience and from working with a top 10 olympia bodybuilder.


This is me clean @ 182 lbs and 8 % bf...I look more defined than I really am because of lightning and slight dehydration. I have used AAS in the past, competed and was much bigger.


Look pretty good
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 10, 2008, 12:35:31 AM
Maybe in that pose...I'm like Silvio...I raise my arms and I dissapear.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: TooPowerful4u on July 10, 2008, 02:27:30 AM

Milos,

I see something i havent seen in a while advocated.  Stopping certain gear before the show.  Could you explain WHY you stop masteron 10 days out, Winstrol 5 days out, but NOT the prop?  If anything, would you want to minimize the TEST, as it is the only one which can aromatize and cause water retention?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 10, 2008, 03:33:01 AM
Milos,

I see something i havent seen in a while advocated.  Stopping certain gear before the show.  Could you explain WHY you stop masteron 10 days out, Winstrol 5 days out, but NOT the prop?  If anything, would you want to minimize the TEST, as it is the only one which can aromatize and cause water retention?
I would think the samething...why test and no masteron or winny ? why rely on diuretics too much perhaps ?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: affeman on July 10, 2008, 05:47:25 AM
For a professional, in my oppinion test is probably at around 3g-5g a week . To say the least...maybe 8-10 g AAS a week total.

I doubt that on these dosages a pro career would last longer than a few months. 8-10 g lol ::), just think about the injcection volume, you don't even have that many muscles where you can shoot all this stuff into....
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: abc123 on July 10, 2008, 07:25:32 AM
You would be suprised at the results you can get with that cycle, combined with proper nutrition, training and Milos' INS protocol. 
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on July 10, 2008, 08:36:42 AM
Milos, what's your honest opinion on supplements?  There's so much crap out there and fancy advertising that it's hard to sift through it all.

Somehow ephedra is banned yet you see a lot of supps with it.  Then there is that Tren extreme and extreme tren that claim to be one molecule away from being real tren.

I know that you have your own line and some science behind it but you're supps are basic, carbs, aminos and proteins.

There seems to be a lot of junk out there.  In reality please let us know if and what these pros really use.  I can't see Jay Cutler living off of Leukic or Gakic or any of that crap.  With a sound AAS cycle and balanced meals what do these supps really offer?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 10, 2008, 10:49:40 AM
I will be hones and say thaT  I would use thAT cycle to prepare maybe for a show like Mr Getbig if the competition would be stiffer ...I believe that's a cycle that would put a guy like me at 85-87 kg max ripped.....given that all product is legit ...I'm 5'11" and without AAS and 8 % bodyfat I hover @ around 180 lbs.

However :

I do not believe for a single minute that a cycle like that would be appropriate for a serious competitor. Test alone would have to be @ 1g plus a week and deca at at least 600 .

For a professional, in my oppinion test is probably at around 3g-5g a week . To say the least...maybe 8-10 g AAS a week total. Not saying that Milos is wrong or lying , just that I believe that the amounts are much higher.

By the way I am speaking both from personal expirience and from working with a top 10 olympia bodybuilder.


This is me clean @ 182 lbs and 8 % bf...I look more defined than I really am because of lightning and slight dehydration. I have used AAS in the past, competed and was much bigger.


This is EXACTLY what I am talking about it...

I do not believe for a single minute that a cycle like that would be appropriate for a serious competitor. Test alone would have to be @ 1g plus a week and deca at at least 600 .

For a professional, in my oppinion test is probably at around 3g-5g a week . To say the least...maybe 8-10 g AAS a week total. Not saying that Milos is wrong or lying , just that I believe that the amounts are much higher.
????


You do not believe for a single minute?

And from personal experience working with ONE (who exactly? ::)) top ten Olympia competitor?

I have been working with dozens, consulting with hundreds and talking with thousands COMPETITORS from elite Olympia level, IFBB professional and amateur,NPC...and than EVERY OTHER category...(NABBA, WABA, WPF, AAU, NPC, ABC, XYZ...Federations and number of their competitors...)

Can anyone tell me a SINGLE VALID REASON why would I choose to "fabricate" these amounts IF in reality I suggest and believe should be taken much more?

Now, I do know ONE PERSON who would do that (purposely fabricate a story and tell people what they want to believe anyway...and who is better for that than BODYBUILDERS?)...but I am not him...
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 10, 2008, 11:34:58 AM
Ron Love is the guy Milos. I am not saying you are lying . I'm just saying that you are the only serious authority on the subject who is trying to convince me that a pro is on 750 mg test a week  ::).

Or under 2 gram AAS a week total.... And don't try to discredit me by saying that I was never a pro .... I have been bodybuilding and involved with it for 17 years so I have a pretty good idea about what's going on.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on July 10, 2008, 11:51:33 AM
Ron Love is the guy Milos. I am not saying you are lying . I'm just saying that you are the only serious authority on the subject who is trying to convince me that a pro is on 750 mg test a week  ::).

Or under 2 gram AAS a week total.... And don't try to discredit me by saying that I was never a pro .... I have been bodybuilding and involved with it for 17 years so I have a pretty good idea about what's going on.

You're stuck in a time warp.  A decade ago the pros were taking a ton of crap but realized they were pissing their money down the toilet and learned that you cannot infinitely grow based on how much juice you injected.  Coupled today with Insulin and GH the amount of test is a lot lower.

Still do the math

Test Prop 50-100 mg/day alternate with Test Heptylate 50-100 mg day (500-700 mg/week)
Trenbolon Acetate (200 mg/week)
Primobolan (500 mg/week)
Anadrol (3 x 25 mg/day)
Winstrol tabs (3 x 15 mg/day)

You got here about 3 grams a week.  Most bodybuilders have learned that more isn't better.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 10, 2008, 12:13:40 PM
still you are trying to convince me that all these pro's and top amateurs on 3-5 g test a week , 1-2 g deca or equipoise, 20-30 iu hgh a day, and 80-150 iu slin.....they could be as big and ripped with only the amounts Milos has given ? Listen to yourself bro  :-\
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: candidizzle on July 10, 2008, 12:20:18 PM
still you are trying to convince me that all these pro's and top amateurs on 3-5 g test a week , 1-2 g deca or equipoise, 20-30 iu hgh a day, and 80-150 iu slin.....they could be as big and ripped with only the amounts Milos has given ? Listen to yourself bro  :-\
sevastase me and you both know that there are plenty of guys out there who are taking in extreme excess of those doseages milos listed.

but we cant be sure that every ifbb pro is doing the same.

sean ray is one pro who we know used small amounts of steroids. phil heath, while we dont know how MUCH he uses, we do know that he has tremendous RESPONSE to hormones. since we know certain individuals respond better than other individuals, it does lead one to conclude that there would be guys who can get just as big off 2 g week than another guy could get off 10 g week......  if these top pro's really are the genetic elite and really have great repsonse and are truly dedicated to training and nutrition and on top of the few g aas are using slin and gh ? then sure i could believe those doseages

but me and you both know that not EVERY pro has phenomenal genetics and response to hormones, and not EVERY pro is super dedictaed to diet training and insulin+gh

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: MCWAY on July 10, 2008, 12:24:29 PM
Milos, what's your honest opinion on supplements?  There's so much crap out there and fancy advertising that it's hard to sift through it all.

Somehow ephedra is banned yet you see a lot of supps with it.  Then there is that Tren extreme and extreme tren that claim to be one molecule away from being real tren.

I know that you have your own line and some science behind it but you're supps are basic, carbs, aminos and proteins.

There seems to be a lot of junk out there.  In reality please let us know if and what these pros really use.  I can't see Jay Cutler living off of Leukic or Gakic or any of that crap.  With a sound AAS cycle and balanced meals what do these supps really offer?

Cutler never claimed to live off Gakic or Leukic. He’s pretty much laid out how and what he eats (he tends to be a heavy carb guy). If the supplements help him in any capacity, why wouldn’t he use them, especially since he gets them for FREE?


Milos once sang the praises of MET-Rx (as did many bodybuilders in the mid-90s) in an interview he did with MuscleMag, issue 172, I think. Of course, he also qualified his praises by stating that he consumed anywhere from 8 to 12 packets a day.

And speaking of supplements, that leads me back to the questions I asked a few days ago.

1) Regarding giant sets and the shakes he recommends during training, is this primarily for use with "giant set" training? Or will such use be as effective with traditional training?

2) Regarding my cheap version of the shake:

- 2 fl. oz liquid aminos (Vitamin Shoppe),
- 5-6 grams creatine with dextrose (Body Fortress or CELL-TECH)
- 5 grams glutamine (Vitamin Shoppe)

Any suggestions about improvement?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 10, 2008, 01:02:24 PM
Guys, this isn't such a light cycle - I believe it. That's a lot of Winstrol week 11  :P 1050mg  :o  :D During the same week you also have 420mg of oxandrolone and 210mg of fluoxymesterone for a total of 1690mg of liver toxic compounds. My liver hurts just thinking about it.  :D


If you were to take the equivalent dose of stanozolol in Zambon Winstrol tabs it comes out to 525 tablets in one week. Not even Munzer was that crazy LOL.

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: BIG DUB on July 10, 2008, 03:50:37 PM
I do'nt count the orals or the water based stuff total for the week as they are in and out of your system in a day. But getting back to my original question Milos, When would be a good time to run your HCG and Clomid pct? Also how would you run your Clen and Cytomel during your contest prep?


Guys, this isn't such a light cycle - I believe it. That's a lot of Winstrol week 11  :P 1050mg  :o  :D During the same week you also have 420mg of oxandrolone and 210mg of fluoxymesterone for a total of 1690mg of liver toxic compounds. My liver hurts just thinking about it.  :D


If you were to take the equivalent dose of stanozolol in Zambon Winstrol tabs it comes out to 525 tablets in one week. Not even Munzer was that crazy LOL.


Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: TooPowerful4u on July 10, 2008, 10:49:43 PM
Milos,

I see something i havent seen in a while advocated.  Stopping certain gear before the show.  Could you explain WHY you stop masteron 10 days out, Winstrol 5 days out, but NOT the prop?  If anything, would you want to minimize the TEST, as it is the only one which can aromatize and cause water retention?

^^^^^^^
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: DK II on July 10, 2008, 11:44:34 PM


2) Regarding my cheap version of the shake:

- 2 fl. oz liquid aminos (Vitamin Shoppe),
- 5-6 grams creatine with dextrose (Body Fortress or CELL-TECH)
- 5 grams glutamine (Vitamin Shoppe)

Any suggestions about improvement?

Add some Arginin for more bloodflow to the muscles.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 11, 2008, 01:07:10 AM
Guys, this isn't such a light cycle - I believe it. That's a lot of Winstrol week 11  :P 1050mg  :o  :D During the same week you also have 420mg of oxandrolone and 210mg of fluoxymesterone for a total of 1690mg of liver toxic compounds. My liver hurts just thinking about it.  :D


If you were to take the equivalent dose of stanozolol in Zambon Winstrol tabs it comes out to 525 tablets in one week. Not even Munzer was that crazy LOL.


I think I overlooked the 9-11 week period....it is quite a bit...I guess I was referring to the first 2 periods....first one at least is light I think.

I guess it gets heavier as you progress.



And once and for all :

when a pro makes top 10 @ the big one on the cycle Milos described , imagine what he would look like on a cycle like that of Ronnie or Dorian that wereposted a while back. He would make Jay looklike a baby  ::)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 11, 2008, 05:10:49 AM
::) thanks oh great guru  ::)
Not a guru by any means. Just common sense.

I have learned a long time ago that the amount of muscle you carry is directly proportional with the amount of anabolics you take as well as with the quality of those anabolics. That's all.

I suggest you go and rumage through GH15 posts to get an idea about what pro's use or take.

Someone said something to the effect : " Oh my god! That's alot of shots.."

GH15 posted something around noon and said he was just through with his 4th shot of the day....


I think something like 6-12 shots a day is not uncommon...maybe more. Count all the test, deca etc, hgh, slin and the protocols and you'll start to see that it makes sense. Again: I'm not the ultimate authority but these are my 2 cents...

Another thing : thank you Milos for posting the cycle. Got a question for you : looking at the structure and amounts....am I wrong ? or do the amounts are slightly higher as you get closer ? And why did u cut masteron or tren before competition ? Thanx in advance
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on July 11, 2008, 05:17:16 AM
Mods, please ban sevastase from this thread.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion DK, but I will say these "Ask....Q&A" threads should focus on questions, if someone wants to discuss a difference in opinion about an answer, they are more than welcome to start a thread about it.

Keep it clean fellas, no eye gouging or low blows. ;)


I'm leaving sevastase's post for Milos to answer the questions, but seriously, if you want to discuss/debate an answer feel free to start a thread and debate it, just don't do it im the Q&A thread.

Thanks guys, glad to see everyone learning and enjoying themselves on The Positive Board. :D
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 12, 2008, 08:38:34 AM
Ron Love is the guy Milos. I am not saying you are lying . I'm just saying that you are the only serious authority on the subject who is trying to convince me that a pro is on 750 mg test a week  ::).

Or under 2 gram AAS a week total.... And don't try to discredit me by saying that I was never a pro .... I have been bodybuilding and involved with it for 17 years so I have a pretty good idea about what's going on.

You mean - Ron Love, IFBB pro, my personal friend...who among others also came to me to consult me as he was making his comeback?

That Ron Love?

Trying to discredit you?
You never got ANY credits to begin with...for me to try to take anything away...

I am saying: there are very few people in THE WORLD that have seriously exchanged the knowledge with more IFBB pros than me...IF ANY?

So, this is why I insist on TRUTH...

It is very easy for me to say otherwise...but I am always true to myself first...and than everyone else...

There are many guys out there who came to me - FIND A SINGLE ONE who will tell you anything different than what I exposed here to be TOP CONTENDERS CYCLE...

Yes, I am aware that certain IFBB PRO who was my "First IFBB PRO client" disclosed completely fabricated cycle...even during the seminars around the world...

I was very much disturbed he did that, but knowing him - it doesn't surprise me...

Few Olympia competitors I have prepared - I designed programs for...and few actually were scared shitless that I am trying to kill them with 750 mg of test a week....

So, this is POSITIVE BOARD...and I want to spread LOVE rather than HATE...

I am asking ANY of you who doubts that cycle I posted (for the second time in two years) is indeed: REAL CYCLE for Mr. Olympia competitors...WHY WOULD YOU DOUBT ME?

What would possibly be a reason for me to lie to anyone about OTHERS CYCLES?

It would make me SOMETHING?

What exactly?

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: CQ on July 12, 2008, 08:46:11 AM
I am not interesting much in cycles [not to be rude] but always read people wondering what the pros take etc - so I am sure that Milos's info will be very much appreciated by many readers here, even though they may not post.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 12, 2008, 08:56:34 AM
Interesting that there's no Tren the last 3 weeks. Lots of guys like to keep it in for the hardness, the androgenic look, without bloat.

Milos did you ever experiment with mega-doses just to see what it would do?

No Van - I never experimented with mega-doses...but I did talk to guys that took not just Mega or Giga...I had few clients that used "Tera" doses... ;D

I had a guy who came to me from Europe and told me: Milos, I am a living proof that steroids CANNOT KILL anyone...

Hmmmmmm, did you try to inject 100 cc of test into your brain?

Guy said, well not exactly...but I did try 100 cc a day when we are on the subject....

 :o :o :o :o :o

100 cc A DAY???? For the love of God - it is easier way to kill yourself....and before I finished he added and I took 100 cc/day for two weeks straight along with 100 IU/day of this and 200 IU/day of that and 300 tablets every single day....with 12000 kcal diet...and I gained 12 kilos in two weeks!!!

I told him to go on cycle like one I posted here and trains twice daily YES , using my protocol of Humalog 45 minutes BEFORE TRAINING (as I have several different protocols all depending on particulars...) and 5000 kcal per day...

He managed to gain 47 pounds in ONE MONTH - 21.5 kilos...but in first two weeks he exceeded his previous best by 0.5 kg...He gained 12.5 kg in first two weeks of this cycle...with FRACTION of "drugs" he thought are needed for Mr. Olympia hopefuls...


As far as TREN (especially ACETATE) - YES, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT: some guys keep it ALL THE WAY until the contest...Many drop it at 5-7 or 10 day out mark...all depending on the rest of their cycle...



Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: candidizzle on July 12, 2008, 09:17:46 AM
milos
 where do you think the best country for a bodybuilder to live in is at. takign into consideration - cost of food (meat!), cost of living, legality and availability of human grade AAS, training facilities, and most important...quality of females !! ?

serious question tho.

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 12, 2008, 09:20:56 AM
Milos,

I see something i havent seen in a while advocated.  Stopping certain gear before the show.  Could you explain WHY you stop masteron 10 days out, Winstrol 5 days out, but NOT the prop?  If anything, would you want to minimize the TEST, as it is the only one which can aromatize and cause water retention?


As many of you asked similar question - I would try to answer them all with this post:

WHY would I stop something or simply change anything????

Always for a VALID REASON...

Think about WHAT (in the world?) would possibly be a reason to change or do something???

I see that you guessed it: water retention...

Now, without attacking you directly or anything...I would really want to ask you WHY would you think that: "it is the only one which can aromatize that cause water retention? "...


Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 12, 2008, 09:24:37 AM
Thanks Milos.

I told him to go on cycle like one I posted here and trains twice daily YES , using my protocol of Humalog 45 minutes BEFORE TRAINING (as I have several different protocols all depending on particulars...) and 5000 kcal per day...

Please, when you have the time, tell us more about the insulin protocols.  :)

Also, do you feel timing of GH is important? When would you take it?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 12, 2008, 10:21:13 AM
Thanks Milos.

Please, when you have the time, tell us more about the insulin protocols.  :)

Also, do you feel timing of GH is important? When would you take it?

Well, why not...?
After all who deserved it more than you Van?

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 12, 2008, 10:40:14 AM
Well, why not...?
After all who deserved it more than you Van?



I don't deserve it but I'm sure others here are interested also. :D

I have an altruistic motive for asking.  :D
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on July 12, 2008, 12:10:51 PM
Although I don't plan on ever trying it, I am interested in how/why insulin can add 40lbs of muscle on someone.

While we're at it, Milos, would insulin be of any use to powerlifters, etc....someone looking for strength gains only?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Fatpanda on July 12, 2008, 12:12:46 PM
these requests tie in nicely with my questions. :)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: candidizzle on July 12, 2008, 12:22:19 PM
realize that DNL (or De Nuovo Lipogenesis) hardly happens in humans ( I know I am opening a can of worms, but - oh well... or maybe better choice of words would be that humans have very limited DNL capacity )-
care to expand on this, milos?

i know you are getting bombarded with questions here. take it as the compliment that it IS !  :)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: willl on July 12, 2008, 12:44:45 PM
Great to have u back on.

You left my question unanswered

" Milos, you do know the muscle media 2000 series cannot be found
through web research, it appears that chad nicholls firmly disagreed with your protocol except for the nutritive part, which he states you 'borrowed' from duchaine in his earlier slin-protocol (which i dont find neither).
I'd like to know what your protocol was and perhaps the differences with dan's and chad's.
Obviously i cant get a hold of MM2K mag's anymore, i'd appreciate your explanations on the subject."

I understand you have few time, will or energy to respond to all of us so i will just add a few of my thoughts about your message to sevastase



There are many guys out there who came to me - FIND A SINGLE ONE who will tell you anything different than what I exposed here to be TOP CONTENDERS CYCLE...

First of all you should define what you call a Top Contender. Would that mean O competitors strictly?
There are plenty of heavily-muscled physiques around who can also be considered Top of the Game. One doesnt need to be at the O stage to be granted that status. Does it include the men who are potentially top contenders as well? Those who are 'getting there'? Their cycles usually aren't that different.

So in answer of your question and if we're talking Top contenders in general, YES there are plenty of examples of cycles circulating on the net.
U can visit ProMuscle and get some ideas.


Few Olympia competitors I have prepared - I designed programs for...and few actually were scared shitless that I am trying to kill them with 750 mg of test a week....

How did you convince them that taking that much was appropriate? Did the higher dosage u advocated infact enhance their muscles in a positive way? How much were these guys actually shooting prior to your help for them to find 750mg ridiculous?

So, this is POSITIVE BOARD...and I want to spread LOVE rather than HATE...

Yes, although i dont see any hate nor love around here. I just wish for an upfront conversation withouth needless flaming and or insults. Apparently we can.


I am asking ANY of you who doubts that cycle I posted (for the second time in two years) is indeed: REAL CYCLE for Mr. Olympia competitors...WHY WOULD YOU DOUBT ME?

Why would we NOT doubt you? Im sure you understand this position.


What would possibly be a reason for me to lie to anyone about OTHERS CYCLES?

Well, for example= the VALUE of that information.
The fact that it shouldnt be disclosed to anybody else except those involved. The trust.
Usually the subject is talked about in confidence, especially with you.
Marketing strategies. You wouldnt want to be known as a coach who displays information about the athletes who seek your help.
Bad publicity.
These r few examples



It would make me SOMETHING?

RELIABLE (among many other things) to those who seek your help

What exactly?

^^


U know if i were an athlete coming to you, i would want you to be Helpfull in a unique way.
I would not want to come and learn something i already know. That is why you must maintain secrecy and that is also what id wish you'd continue to do. That is why i would Pay you.

Now if you want to answer the basic slin questions, sure.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: willl on July 12, 2008, 02:55:55 PM
and id like to add: why would THEY (other 'top' material) be wrong about THEIR (much larger) cycle advices?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 12, 2008, 03:27:01 PM
care to expand on this, milos?

i know you are getting bombarded with questions here. take it as the compliment that it IS !  :)

Remember when I argued about this with you in a thread? I said DNL only occurs in humans with extreme carb intake and/or very low fat intake. Which means carbs don't turn to fat. They do stop lipolysis though so it doesn't mean carbs cannot make you fat indirectly.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 12, 2008, 04:23:44 PM
these requests tie in nicely with my questions. :)

Never mind that I charge 5 grand for exact info...?

I guess I have to just bite that pillow and take it like a man... ::)!? (Well, no wonder "shorty" decided to be born again...but - that's another story...)

OK, FatPanda is getting fatter waiting for me and Van was just so incredibly nice and supportive - I have no other choices BUT to give up and tell you everything (or almost everything...or almost not exactly everything but something...rather, at least something if not everything...as everything would be just too much of everything and something is better than nothing...as I certainly don't want to give you nothing.../anyone still here? ;D...BTW - How is your day Panda? Mine couldn't get any better...In an hour or so I am taking my daughter to Brothers Jonas concert...I am sure you are dying to know... ;D)

As I managed to annoy even myself - I will shut up (well not exactly...rather almost shut up...or almost not exactly shut up... :-* :-* :-* OK, this is getting old...)

INSULIN...THE MOST ANABOLIC HORMONE OF ALL...Hmmmm, STORAGE HORMONE!!!

What can we possibly benefit from such a thing?

I mean - it only stores EVERYTHING (or almost everything...or not exactly...OK, OK) into the cells and people without it would DIE - as a result of absence of insulin (due to cellular death...).

Can anyone see ANY BENEFITS of using it?

I am unfortunately NOT able to still answer your guys questions...but here is the promise.
This is the NEXT QUESTION I am going to answer...

FatPanda was more than patient and I very much appreciate it.

And I do want to try to warm up my biggest fan Van - and make him love me even more (I know that's hard to imagine - but I do unimaginable things every day...OK, I might need to add - when I go to toilet...but nevertheless...)

Got to go to concert guys...C-YA!

Make sure you spank the Coach for me...I miss him (as much as Eskimos miss more Popsicles...or fish miss Ice Age...or...never mind...)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on July 12, 2008, 04:45:15 PM
Never mind that I charge 5 grand for exact info...?

I guess I have to just bite that pillow and take it like a man... ::)!?

 ;D
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 12, 2008, 05:17:54 PM
Great to have u back on.

You left my question unanswered

" Milos, you do know the muscle media 2000 series cannot be found
through web research, it appears that chad nicholls firmly disagreed with your protocol except for the nutritive part, which he states you 'borrowed' from duchaine in his earlier slin-protocol (which i dont find neither).
I'd like to know what your protocol was and perhaps the differences with dan's and chad's.
Obviously i cant get a hold of MM2K mag's anymore, i'd appreciate your explanations on the subject."

I believe this is an old interview with Milos  :D

What Chad said his athletes did with the insulin I kind of doubt. One day a week, a couple of 6iu shots.  ::) :P

Quote
A Candid Interview w/ "PRO-X" A IFBB Competitor

WHAT CAUSED THE HUGE SIZE GAINS MADE BY SEASONED PROS OVER THE PAST 5-6 YEARS??
INTERVIEWS ARE A DIME A DOZEN AND CAN GO ONE OF 2 WAYS. THEY ARE EITHER COMPLETELY FUCKING BORING WHICH IS THE KIND YOU READ IN THE MAGAZINES.....OR THEY ARE COMPLETELY FABRICATED, LIKE THE KIND YOU SEE ON OTHER BODYBUILDING WEBSITES. THIS INTERVIEW REPRESENTS NEITHER. THE NAME OF THE INDIVIDUAL HAS BEEN KEPT ANONYMOUS DUE TO CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHAT IS TO FOLLOW IS A MOST INFORMATIVE AND EDUCATIONAL INTERVIEW ON ONE PARTICULAR TOPIC: WHAT WAS THE CAUSE OF THE 20-30LB BODYWEIGHT JUMPS FROM 1994-PRESENT. I MEAN LETS FACE IT, NASSER EL SONBATY WAS AN AVERAGE PRO UNTIL 1995 AND RONNIE COLEMAN WAS A 2ND OR 3RD TIER ATHLETE UP UNTIL 1997, JEAN PIERRE FUX GAINED 40 LBS OF TISSUE IN A YEAR AND A HALF, CHRIS CORMIER HAS GONE FROM AVERAGE TO TOP 3, HELL EVEN DORIAN WENT FROM 230LBS TO 260LBS SEEMINGLY OVERNIGHT. ALL OF THESE MEN HAVE HAD LOTS OF EXPERIENCE WITH STEROIDS AND G.H. SO THERE HAD TO BE ANOTHER FACTOR. AT FIRST IT WAS THOUGHT IGF-1 WAS RESPONSIBLE, BUT THIS PROVED TO BE A RATHER INEFFECTIVE COMPOUND. SO WHAT WAS IT? WELL LET'S BEGIN THE INTERVIEW.

THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN ON EVERYONE'S MIND SINCE THE EMERGENCE OF 280-290LB BODYBUILDERS FROM SEEMINGLY OUT OF NO-WHERE. I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT MUST HAVE BEEN THE EMERGENCE OF IGF-1, BUT THEN AFTER RESEARCHING SOME THINGS, I FOUND OUT THAT IGF-1 IS A SHIT DRUG AND DOESN'T DO MUCH. WHAT GIVES?

I N S U L I N! THAT'S WHAT GIVES! I'VE KNOWN A LOT OF THESE GUYS FOR A WHILE NOW AND I CAN UNEQUIVOCALLY TELL YOU THAT IT IS THE RESULT OF INSULIN THAT THESE HUGE LEAPS HAVE BEEN MADE.

INSULIN? IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN HOW COME SO MANY PEOPLE CLAIM IT WILL MAKE YOU FAT

BECAUSE IT CAN MAKE YOU FACT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND DO NOT USE THE RIGHT TYPE.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW TO USE IT SO ONE WOULD NOT GET FAT.

ACTUALLY IT'S QUITE SIMPLY. YOU SEE THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF INSULIN L, N, R , AND HUMALOG. THE DIFFERENCE IS IN THE ACTING TIMES. L LASTS IN THE SYSTEM FOR AROUND 24HOURS PEAKING SEVERAL TIMES THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND TAKES 2 HOURS TO BEGIN TO WORK, N IS MEDIUM IN ITS ACTING TIME LASTING AROUND 12 HOURS AND R IS THE QUICKEST OF THESE THREE, LASTING FOR ABOUT 6 HOURS AND HITTING THE SYSTEM IN ABOUT 30-45 MINUTES. HUMALOG IS NEWER AND ACTUALLY BEGINS WORKING IN 5-15 MINUTES AND LASTS FOR 4 HOURS
ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND THIS, YOU CAN USE INSULIN TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. WITH ALL INSULIN YOU NEED TO HAVE GLUCOSE PRESENT IN THE BLOOD STREAM SO IT CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO ACT ON AND TRANSPORT IT INTO THE CELLS. THE POPULAR RULE OF THUMB OF 10-15 GRAMS OF GLUCOSE/CARBS PER I.U. OF INSULIN WAS SOMETHING THAT I ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH. PLEASE DON'T THINK I AM BEING ARROGANT, IT'S JUST THAT I WAS DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH ON INSULIN IN THE EARLY 90'S AND IT IS DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY DUE TO THAT RESEARCH THAT INSULIN HAS BECOME A POPULAR TOOL IN THE BODYBUILDERS ARSENAL. MANY PEOPLE HAVE CONTACTED ME ON HOW TO USE INSULIN. NOW WITH INSULIN YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT IT IS AN INDISCRIMINANT CARRIER WHICH IS BOTH GOOD AND BAD. GOOD BECAUSE ALONG WITH THE TRANSPORTING OF GLUCOSE, IT WILL ALSO TRANSPORT AMINO ACIDS INTO THE MUSCLE CELLS. BAD BECAUSE IF THERE IS A LOT OF FAT PRESENT, IT WILL SHOVE THAT INTO THE CELLS AS WELL AND THIS IS WHY YOU GET FAT FROM INSULIN. IF YOU USE A LONG ACTING INSULIN THAT PEAKS SEVERAL TIMES THROUGHOUT THE DAY, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT YOU EAT A CARB AND PROTEIN MEAL EVERY 2 HOURS TO INSURE THAT WHEN IT PEAKS, YOU HAVE A NUTRIENT POOL AVAILABLE FOR IT TO WORK ON. IF YOU TOOK A SHOT OF INSULIN IN THE MORNING AND IT WAS LONG ACTING, IF YOU EAT A PIZZA AT 8:00PM, THE FAT WILL GET TRANSPORTED INTO THE CELLS AND YOU WILL GET FAT. THE WAY AROUND THIS IS TO 1. KEEP DIETARY FAT TO A MINIMUM ALL THE TIME OR 2. USE A FASTER ACTING INSULIN. FOR ME--EVEN THOUGH I ALWAYS EAT LESS THAN 30GRAMS OF FAT PER DAY--THE ANSWER SHOULD BE 2.
THE REASON FOR THIS LIES IN THE FACT THAT YOU CAN CONTROL IT MUCH BETTER IF YOU KNOW THAT IT IS HITTING IN 15-20MINUTES AND WILL BE OUT OF THE SYSTEM IN 4 HOURS OR LESS. ALL OF THE INCIDENTS OF PEOPLE FAINTING OR GOING INTO COMAS BECAUSE OF INSULIN HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH GLUCOSE PRESENT IN THE BLOODSTREAM WHEN THE INSULIN PEAKED. WHEN YOU USE A LONG ACTING INSULIN THAT PEAKS AT VARIOUS TIMES OVER A 24HOUR PERIOD, YOU RUN A MUCH GREATER RISK OF NOT HAVING ENOUGH GLUCOSE PRESENT BECAUSE YOU ARE MORE APT TO SKIP A MEAL OR BE DRIVING IN YOUR CAR WHEN IT HITS...I LIKE THE HUMALOG THE BEST AND WOULD TELL EVERYONE TO USE IT SOLELY OR IF THEY CANNOT GET IT, USE THE R. DO NOT USE THE N!


DOES IT MATTER WHAT TYPES OF CARBS YOU EAT WHEN YOU USE INSULIN?

YES! I AM A FIRM BELIEVER THAT YOU SHOULD USE PRIMARILY SIMPLE CARBS.

SIMPLE CARBS?

YES. LOOK AT THE END OF THE DAY THE BODY BREAKS DOWN COMPLEX CARBS INTO GLUCOSE AND IT IS GLUCOSE THAT IS TRANSPORTED INTO THE CELLS. WHEN YOU ARE USING A RAPID ACTING INSULIN IT IS IMPORTANT TO MINIMIZE THE TIME IT TAKES THE BODY TO CONVERT CARBS TO SIMPLE SUGARS. WHY CREATE ANOTHER STEP IN THE PROCESS? IT ONLY TAKES MORE TIME AND YOU RUN THE RISK OF NOT HAVING ENOUGH OF THE COMPLEX CARBS BROKEN DOWN INTO GLUCOSE IN TIME WHEN THE INSULIN HITS. FOR THIS REASON I SUGGEST THE USE OF DEXTROSE.

SO WHAT IS THE REGIME YOU WOULD RECOMMEND?

WELL I SUGGEST THAT FOR OPTIMAL RESULTS, YOU USE HUMALOG AT 10-15IU'S IMMEDIATELY AFTER TRAINING BECAUSE THAT IS WHEN YOU BODY IS MOST DEPLETED OF GLYCOGEN STORES AND IS PRIMED TO OVERCOMPENSATE FOR THE INFLUX OF NUTRIENTS. NOW HUMALOG HITS IN 5-15MINUTES SO YOU MUST IMMEDIATELY INGEST 10 GRAMS OF SIMPLE CARBS PER EVERY I.U. OF INSULIN YOU USE (IN THIS CASE BETWEEN 100-150 GRAMS) I WOULD ALSO TAKE IN ADDITIONAL NUTRIENTS THAT HELP CONTRIBUTE TO MUSCLE GROWTH SUCH AS AMINO ACIDS OR 50 GRAMS OF WHEY ISOLATE. I WOULD ALSO HAVE 5 GRAMS OF CREATINE AT THIS TIME TO AID IN CELL VOLUMIZING.
THE BEST CASE SCENARIO WOULD BE TO DO THIS TWICE AND DAY AND THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO THIS TWICE A DAY IS IF YOU TRAIN TWICE A DAY (THE MORE YOU DEPLETE YOUR GLYCOGEN STORES, THE MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY YOU HAVE TO USE INSULIN TO OVERCOMPENSATE WITH NUTRIENTS)


WOULD YOU USE INSULIN DURING YOUR CONTEST PREP?

ABSOLUTELY I WOULD NOT PREPARE WITHOUT IT. YOU JUST HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU HAVE TO USE IT WHEN YOU CAN IN TERMS OF HIGH CARB AND LOW CARB DAYS WHEN YOU ARE DIETING.

SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT. YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT INSULIN ALONE IS WHAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 20-30LB. JUMP IN LEAN BODY MASS IN ALL THE TOP GUYS?

ABSOLUTELY. I GUARANTEE THAT IF A BODYBUILDER IS STAGNANT AND HAS NOT USED INSULIN YET OR USED IT CORRECTLY, HE CAN PUT 20-30LBS OF MUSCLE ON. THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND. I AM SO SURE OF IT THAT I WOULD BET MY LIFE ON IT. I AM THAT POSITIVE.

ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT INSULIN WE SHOULD KNOW BEFORE WE MOVE ON?

YES. WHEN YOU USE IT, YOU WILL FIND THAT YOUR MUSCLES FILL OUT SO MUCH THAT YOU CANNOT USE IT EVERY DAY. I FIND THAT WITH MYSELF I CAN USE IF FOR 2-3 DAYS AND THEN OFF FOR 1-2 DAYS. EVERYONE VARIES, BUT THERE IS A POINT WHEN YOU ARE SO SUPERSATURATED THAT YOU CANNOT GET ANY FULLER. ALSO I WOULD NOT GO OVER 40 I.U.'S OF INSULIN PER DAY DIVIDED INTO 2 20IU SHOTS. JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND

THAT'S IT FOR THIS TIME, UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO TIME CONSTRAINTS WE HAD TO END OUR CONVERSATION, BUT WILL BE CONTINUING IT SOON. STAY TUNED FOR THE SECOND PART OF MY CONVERSATION WITH "PRO-X"

Seems like that's pretty much how he still uses it.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 12, 2008, 05:36:26 PM
I am dressed and ready to go (to concert) but peaked anyway...

I do believe that interview was from 5-6 years ago...and I selectively answered what I wanted to be known...some things were just not explained...
And I promise - I will explain it here on getbig...(After all: there is no place like home :-X for me...at least...Getbig is my "second" or at least third...or 33rd (?) home...where I am loved like no other... :-*)

Van, I love you bro ;).
Any plans to come visit me at Koloseum Gym?
You have a lifetime pass...(I mean it. And not lifetime "pass by my gym" pass but real gym pass forever and ever...as long as you should live...)

And whoever brings Coach to me - get's free T-shirt...and their choice of Nasser's used underwear (I am paying ;))...
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 12, 2008, 05:43:35 PM
Great to have u back on.

You left my question unanswered

" Milos, you do know the muscle media 2000 series cannot be found
through web research, it appears that chad nicholls firmly disagreed with your protocol except for the nutritive part, which he states you 'borrowed' from duchaine in his earlier slin-protocol (which i dont find neither).
I'd like to know what your protocol was and perhaps the differences with dan's and chad's.
Obviously i cant get a hold of MM2K mag's anymore, i'd appreciate your explanations on the subject."

I understand you have few time, will or energy to respond to all of us so i will just add a few of my thoughts about your message to sevastase


U know if i were an athlete coming to you, i would want you to be Helpfull in a unique way.
I would not want to come and learn something i already know. That is why you must maintain secrecy and that is also what id wish you'd continue to do. That is why i would Pay you.

Now if you want to answer the basic slin questions, sure.

As I am banned from Chad's site for 5 years (at least...Hmmm, suspensions, suspensions, suspensions...What is the problem now? To be or not to be (suspended)...That is the question now!

Anyway - Chad, whom I instructed how to use INSULIN back in 1995 did say on his board something along those lines...
I interfered with direct REMINDERS which Chad actually did recognize...

I believe that thread is still there and some of you guys could still find it and post it here...

I might even have the same thread somewhere on my board (like "great threads from the past" section...)

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 12, 2008, 05:51:45 PM
As I am banned from Chad's site for 5 years (at least...Hmmm, suspensions, suspensions, suspensions...What is the problem now? To be or not to be (suspended)...That is the question now!

Anyway - Chad, whom I instructed how to use INSULIN back in 1995 did say on his board something along those lines...
I interfered with direct REMINDERS which Chad actually did recognize...

I believe that thread is still there and some of you guys could still find it and post it here...

I might even have the same thread somewhere on my board (like "great threads from the past" section...)



here it is:

http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=3274.0

Does anyone know from experience how Milos dials people in for shows? I hear he uses insulin with the precontest diets. Any thoughts will be appreciated. And also....how does one go about consulting with him...also the price?

Gearge Farah:
Dude ,why you need to get help from someone that never got any good rep about diet and prep. Name one person that worked with Milos and looked *good. With all do respect for the guy he is great pro etc.. But I don't like the way the peole that work with him look on the game day. But hey this is only my opinion.

Chad Nichols
Guys! Enough is enough! Joe Weider once told me "never to get into a farting contest with a skunk!" - so drop it! To put an end to the question and hopefully the back and forth bashing, I've said numerous times on here already, that my beliefs are different than Milos', so I'm not going to make comments on his beliefs. All I want to say is that my way works for me and he believes that his way works for him.

I started this board for individuals who are interested in learning the views of myself, my athletes and the professionals that I associate with. We also have a lot of great guys and gals who have joined the board with great minds and a lot of great points of view. Take in as much of it as you can and see if you can apply any of it to you!

Chad-
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Well I had contacted Milos once or twice. He wanted $4000 to work with me for about 6 months. He promised 30-40 lbs in the way of contest weight, and yes, he wrote me a huge infromative on insulin as I told him I was skeptical of it. He stated that NOT using insulin when you have a large intake of simple and complex carbs after a workout risks you becoming insulin dependant more so than using it. This statement kinda threw me, and coupled with the ridiculous price he put out there, we quickly ceased conversing.
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Milos is trying to make a living just like Chad is. He sells his theories, Chad sells his. Personally i would take Chads advice any day

If only Dennis James would stop working with Milos and taking his advice. I thought he had a huge future as a amateur, but the last few years have seen him lose it. Dont get me wrong, i am a DJ fan and i hope he wakes up one morning and decides to stop taking the advice of Milos. DJ will be better for the outing
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Milos:
Well, as it was brought to my attention that few people talked about me I had to join discussion board.
At least nobody would need to guess if this is really me.
Now, let me first say that I am here to YES, possibly learn something!
I would never stop learning. I have no ego and I would take advice from everyone IF it makes sense!
So, for people that claim that I am talking negatively about Chad here is a challenge, have a courage and introduce yourself and than say exactly what I said!

Only thing that I would always say about him is –his results speak for themselves.
Ronnie, Chris, Flex, Kim, Linda, Nasser just to name the few!
I think I would make myself look quite stupid if I would try to argue his expertise.

On the same note, the only thing that I was saying to everyone about Chad is that before I explained him how to use Insulin (Ottawa 1995) he never used it!
I would emphasize only that. Chuck Sanow personally asked me if I would tell Chad correct way of using it, and I did!

Now, does he use insulin in contest prep of many athletes I am not going to debate?
He actually helped me for 1999 Mr. Olympia and I pretty much know his methods –that are actually not much different than mine, like someone said.

But, that is not the reason I am responding.
I am quite secure with myself as a person, father, husband, bodybuilder, nutritionist, trainer or whatever else.
Some comments here were just out of line, but there is nothing I could do to stop them.
Actually I am quite surprised that rumors are not worse.

As far as my bodybuilding accomplishments, I can only say that I do have absolutely the worse record of all IFBB pro champions. I won only one out of 70 shows that I entered. Now, as that show was second class show, I might mention that Chris Cormier took third at that show. But, how many people have IFBB pro title?
Me coming from Yugoslavia has really very little to do with qualifying for the Olympia for 10 consecutive years and managing to beat champions like Paris, Gaspari, Bannout, Backles, Makkawy, Levrone, Colleman, Cormier, El Sonbaty, Taylors, Priest, Burke, James, Cutler, Jackson, Schilerkamp, Benaziza, Schmidt, Pastel, Cottrell etc

As far as me trying to do what Chad does, I want to clarify one thing.
I was helping NUMEROUS top professionals (names are on my web site) without ANY financial arrangements. First guy that actually paid me is Eddie and that was at the point that I had to do something about it, as I had no time for anything else.
So if you think I am making a business from it, ask the athletes.
Since than I did inquire some of the clients, amateur bodybuilders and I did not get any complains so far.

And for George, I respect your opinion. You are entitled to one, but why did you gave me your card and told me that you would like to work with me?

For me being a lesser man and having no backbone, I might just say I do not go through life making enemies. Instead I am always trying to make friends.
But, for those that want to challenge me in any way including physically, I can be found every day at my gym in Fullerton.
1101 South Placentia avenue, Fullerton CA 92592, phone 714/680-8881

And for some of the guys that have to hide behind login names, and I do believe I know who he is – why do you always chicken out when you see me in person?


Chad Nichols
First off, I'm glad Milos came on the board and responded. *If you would read the posts I have posted having anything to do with Milos, I have always said that I liked him as a person - and above, you can also read that all I said was he has his ways and I have mine -

I don't necessarily believe in some of his methods - but I'm sure there are some of mine that he doesn't believe in as well. *

As far as him speaking with me about the insulin - absolutely - I already posted that we spoke in '95 about it - and I also stated that I spoke to several people *including doctors that year about the same thing. *In all actuality I had spoken with 2 other individuals prior to speaking with Milos. *A good nutritionist who is on top of his game gets as much info on a subject and researches it as much as possible - and that's what I did. *I took everything Milos said in on that day, as well as I did with the info of the other individuals I had spoken to both before and after I met with Milos. *I have also stated that the only thing I agree with pertaining to Milos' insulin theory is the time frame on when to eat after taking the insulin. *Everything else I do is different - so why are we still discussing this?

Milos, I hope you aren't implying that I am the one posting negative comments about you; hiding behind a screen name. Anyone who knows me - pretty much knows that if I have a problem with you - I'm gonna let you know about it. I don't hide behind a screen name. If you are not implying that you think it is me - then reply to that person on here - we have no problems posting it. Put his name on here and we will confront him, I don't care who you think it is.

Since the Olympia, there probably hasn't been one day go by where I haven't gotten an e-mail, a call or heard that you have been saying things about me. Do I believe all of them, no. I'm sure some is true some is not, but I've been in the sport long enough to let it roll off. I'm secure enough about who I am, what I do and my accomplishments that I don't care what people think about me.
I personally felt that you and I had gotten along and I don't personally have a problem with you, as I have stated above. Me and Kim have always been friendly to you and your wife, no matter how you feel about us.

Just so you know, you are always welcome to post on the board - it would be great to have your comments on here. You can post what you want, whether you agree with my theories or not. --But for all the patrons on the board, I want you all to know that this is NOT going to be a CHAD vs. MILOS debate - like I've said many times - different people have different opinions and theories - so pitting us against one another is going to help no one -and that is what we are here for - helping you - not getting into arguments.

Everyone just needs to take the info - whether it be mine, someone elses, or a combination of a little of everything and find what works for you.
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Milos
Hi Chad. Thank you for taking the time and responding to my post.
Right away I would like to make it clear, I was never implying that you are the one hiding behind login name. It is YOUR website after all!
And as I have no problem telling the truth and telling people in their face what I think of them. I was implying to the only IFBB professional I have a problem with and that is Ms. Shari Kamali!
I learned from my parents that if I have nothing positive to say about the person I better not say anything at all, but in this instance I would make exception.
I run into this guy several times before and every time when I would approach his group he would turn around and avoid noticing me. After his pro debut at 2001 Ironman he was scheduled to do photo shoot in my gym, and I made an effort to introduce myself, welcomed him to my gym and congratulated him on Olympia qualification. He was there with Bob, whom I respect a great deal.
I told him right away that it is none of my business what he does in his private life, but I respectfully told him that as a veteran of the sport I would suggest him to change his attitude as he was pissing off to many people (and some of my personal friends).
I told him that nice word could open doors of steel, and bad word could close every single one of them. As he just started his career my opinion was that if he makes immediate change he could MAYBE get somewhere.
He assured me that he is quite a nice guy and everything I hear is just a rumor.
However, I already had more facts that he expected me to know about it and I pointed out problems he had with my close friends Dennis and Melvin, and what I have heard from several other pros.
Anyway, I do not want to bore everyone to tears; I was broadcasting Mr. Olympia 2001 live on the Internet and when I was asked what I think of him I told exactly what I think of him.
I do not respect or like him as a person (numerous reasons) and I think he is pathetic bodybuilder with absolutely nothing on his entire body. Only thing worth mentioning was his conditioning (thank to Chad) and only on first two pro shows he entered!
Also I was asked what I think of his posing routine and I said –entertaining for the audience but hitting 7 poses in as many minutes would not place him high on qualified IFBB judges list. However, I remember very well I finished with –love him or hate him but he did a good job!
Next thing I know some of my friends were telling me to go on his web site and read what he said about me. And he pretty much challenged me, telling me that I am on his list, that I am hiding behind a cameras and he would certainly make me cry like a little ***** (his words).
So I had to answear him (I can post that letter as well) and accepted ANY challenge, ANY time and ANY place. He did not respond.
Than I saw him at the Arnold, but he managed to walk fast enough so I could not confront him (I was already in the cast). Luckily, I catch him at the airport with his girlfriend at the time and as I excuse myself to the lady I told her loudly that I apologize BUT I have to talk to this arrogant not a very nice person, pointing at him!
I told him again what I think of him and it was not pretty! I told him that cameras are gone and I want to see him how he is going to make me cry like a little…
He could not even look at my direction. Real stand up guy, and his girlfriend Bethany was there (later she told me that he is so insecure about himself that he just does things as a cure for all his insecurities, which makes sense).
Finally, after he got a gift at this years Olympia placing 17th (I had him next to last) he come to my gym again. Class act that he is (NOT), passed by me and my wife (owners of the gym) like we were not even there. Next day he did the same.
As he is Weider athlete I did not throw him out.
I have no respect for the man, and that is final thing I am going to say about him, besides that his challenge would always be greatly appreciated and accepted.
Sorry, I just had to explain everything as even Chad thought that I might be talking about him.
And Chad, just like you said I thought that I was also respectful, kind and courteous towards you and Kim. I think World of Kim as she was always so sweet and genuine.
I hear rumors as well as what you supposedly think and talk about me, but I know better how things in our industry are.
I would like to tell you that IF anyone EVER had said that I was speaking badly about you I would like both of us to face that person.
I would never hide, and I always stand behind my actions.
Now, this post is really not what I wanted to discuss with you, but I just had to put the end on this insecure loud mouth. He can talk all he wants. I think Bethany is right about him curing himself with all the fantasies he comes up with.
I would certainly address another post directly to you Chad, I just wanted to insure you that I was not implying that you are hiding (real man does not) behind the login names.
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Chad:

Milos - thanks for the post.

After reading your previous post a few times, I realized who you were talking about. I also realize that you and King don't get along. A lot of people just don't understand him. I've known him for about 5-6 years now and have always gotten along with him great - however it's different for me as you are a fellow competitor and I'm not, so I can see how he would stir the pot with you - the feeling of competition.

I'm not sure, in all honesty, how this whole thing got started. King has never said anything bad to me about you - but then again I don't really talk to him about other athletes - we just b.s. with each other and get to business.

I do like it that you are a stand up guy and posted your true feelings, whether other people like that or not, I respect it.

Like I said before - you are always welcome here - and I think the members would be interested in what you have to say. I think this site will continue to grow - it's only been up for two weeks now and we've already got a lot of the pros over here and a lot of great knowledge.

I wish you luck at the GNC with your guys. I actually thought Titus was the best he has ever been at the Olympia.

See ya in New Orleans,

Chad-




   
   
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 12, 2008, 05:52:52 PM
Continuing

Milos:
As I am fired up let me continue.
I mentioned it to several people that back in 1995 I did tell you my view on correct use of specific insulins for athletic purpose. This is what many people turn around and possibly interpret to you as Milos is talking behind your back.
Now, I must tell you that at the time when we were discussing about the insulin you told me that you had no knowledge or experiences of how could insulin be taken safely and effectively. You never mentioned any doctors input as I was spending quite a bit of time explaining onset, peak action, duration, critical times, curves, types of insulin, types of simple and complex carbs, timing etc.
I told you that everyone in my family is a doctor (except me, black sheep) and that I examined for several years how to safely use insulin as anabolic agent.
I talked to numerous doctors Worldwide and none of them were comfortable telling me how can athletes use it and benefit from it.
Only when I painfully (numerous hypoglycemic episodes) found out for myself how can insulin be used several doctors told me that this might work.
My sister (surgeon) also agreed with me that logic behind my program was quite good and endocrinologists and internal medicine specialists told me that they would like to know more about it. So I kept them informed.
Than Muscle Media 2000 published my (Bill Phillips took the credit, and I still have original article to prove it) article and soon everyone was talking about it.
Tell me when was the first time you have seen 10 grams of carbs per unit of insulin recommendations in medical books or diabetic society?
I challenge medical community to show me how they come up with that number!?
I come up with that number and even thought it is not most accurate (I can elaborate on differences) nobody was using that kind of measurement or scale.
Look at diabetic books now and you will see what is accepted.
I even conducted study with insulin diabetic patient on insulin pump that doctors could not stabilize – and using my exact recommendations he is doing great now.
But, as I am already opening can of warms let’s speak frankly!
You say you don’t necessarily believe in my methods and the only thing you agree with me is time frame.
I did explain to you every aspect that I knew at the time and I presented to the World (through MM 2000) and also to many pro bodybuilders and trainers!
Can you tell me (us) what is different and WHY in your program?
I try to help numerous athletes (not just bodybuilders) and all the visitors of my website or my gym can confirm (you can too) that I offer FREE help to all with intentions to educate everyone in important subjects regarding sports.
One of the athletes that you also helped told me that I gave him $100000.00 information
and he did not spend a dime for it. If I can only count how many people I have helped to actually beat me in the contest –people would laugh.
But, I believe in sharing the knowledge and as far as sporting events –let’s all have same conditions and than see who is a better athlete!
I could of kept my secret but I decided to share it.
I would love to see open discussion here or on any other site.
Mauro Di Pasqualle, John Berrardi, Lonnie Lowery, Rob Rakowski, Eric Serano, Scott Abel, Chris Aceto are all the experts I would love to see included. I correspond with many of them and it would be great to see what can we come up with.
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Chad:
I will answer every question that you have targeted in this post. However, I won't lay out my entire insulin plan, as this is what I am using with my athletes and since this is how I make my living - my athletes are paying for this information, and I feel it would be a betrayal to them to give everything away. However, I know that you have spoken to my athletes before about things and you know that there are several differences in how we do things. And I will touch on several of them.

First topic is the Muscle Media 2000 article. Just so you know, I was told by Dan Duchaine, himself, that HE in fact wrote the MM2000 article and that he was the one that had advised you on the insulin plan. Now, I'm just telling you what HE told me -and unfortunately, we can't ask him - since he is deceased. But he told me, I believe in 1999 - at the ISS/Europa booth (they were a combined booth), he was selling his book there. It was the first time I had met him in person and one of the few times I had talked to him. He told me that basically he and Mike Zumpano (Champion Nutrition) together had come up with those theories. However, I will give you that the article was basically the exact plan you had discussed with me. And I even mentioned this in a previous post, but I believe that I had maybe inferred that you had gotten the info from Dan or MM2000.

I'm not saying that you didn't write the article, in fact I'm sure there is probably a pretty good chance that you did write it.

As far as me not telling you that I had spoken with anyone else at that time, I absolutely didn't tell you - as I wanted to hear everything you had to say - I believe I even had you write things down. I did this so that I could compare notes with the other things I had written down. I spoke with 2 other poeple after you - and told them the same - I didn't know about the insulin, as I wanted to make certain I received complete information - not them asking me questions - I wanted to learn from them.

The one thing that I think we are pretty close on is the time frame of when to eat after the insulin. However, I know that you recommend 10 grams, while I recommend 15 grams. I also think that you recommend 1 large meal to cover the insulin - while I recommend 2 meals - 1 large and 1 small both spaced out at different times. Not a big deal, but it is a significant difference. As well, I know you recommend using both N and R - I don't like the N at all - and use R - and I also believe you now use the Humalog? I don't like this either - I feel it is too quick. So, there is another difference. You like pure dextrose powder - I use fructose, along with some other things - but definitely not dextrose.

In addition, you recommend taking the insulin in the off-season, 3 times a day - 5 days a week. I completely disagree. I do agree with the 3x's a day - but not the 5 days a week. I believe in 1 day a week - or 2 at the absolute most - maybe once every third day.

One more issue that we disagree on - maybe your thoughts have changed on this?? You recommended to take the GH in the morning or one hour after you take the insulin - I am completely on the other end of the spectrum on this. I do NOT mix the GH and the insulin at all. As well, I have been very clear on when I feel one should take the GH and I know a lot of athletes who have changed their thinking on the GH because of this. I'm not 100% sure on your beliefs of this anymore - maybe you changed - maybe you are the same - you would have to clarify that.

As far as the guy you helped and gave 100,000.00 worth of info to, I believe we are speaking of Nasser??? He absolutely told me that you gave him the info on the insulin - however, I was also told that it cost him $2,500.00. I believe it was when you were living with Sonny S. at the time - and Nasser had loaned you money and then you gave him the information and that was supposed to cover the $2,500.00 - you can confirm this - this is just what I was told - banking that the 100,000.00 man is Nasser??

As far as getting in an open discussion, there is actually a private area set up within this board. I could give whatever people I wanted passwords to log onto it and I'm sure we could get into some very interesting discussions. I think this would be a great idea, as I am always up to learn more.

Hopefully, this has cleared up the entire insulin issue - you are right, this has been an ongoing situation for years - athletes coming up to me and telling me this and that - things you have said and it all in a round about way leads up to this.

I wish the insulin was the only thing we needed to know to bring athletes in to the shows in top shape - unfortunately, at least in my contest preps, it is only a very small piece of the conditioning puzzle.

As you can see, we do, in fact have many differences on how we utilize certain things. I can tell you that the first guy I spoke with that was a doctor - it was December - approx. 4 months before speaking with you - believe the show I spoke with you was in April - was the first person to bring up the 10 grams per unit and he did actually get this out of a medical journal and had the book with him. As well as literature that he had just brought back from a seminar in Bulgaria.

Well, there is my side of everything. I still want you to know - I still like you and Milimar - just because we have our differences in our dietary theories, doesn't make a difference in how I feel about you as a person.

Anytime you would like to have an open discussion with some of the other nutritionists you named - let me know - and I'll try to get it arranged - should be interesting and only great things could come of that.

I honestly hope this is the end of the insulin debate - there's got to be something more interesting to talk about


Milos:
Thanks for telling me (us) your side.
I apologize that I am taking this much space in your bulletin board, but I hope you would agree that I needed to explain couple of things upon reading your response.
Dan Duchaine has NEVER talked to me about insulin or anything else for that matter.
However, he got the fax that I have sent to Phillips and his response upon reading it was, that this just might work.
Article in MM 2000 is mine, as you know exactly what I told you in Ottawa. And yes I was giving you notes, and YES as I have seen that you were much more interested in details than anyone else I talked to so I gave you more detailed info.
Back than available insulins were N, R, U, L…and I did elaborate with you on first two and gave you my charts.
I told you that N should be used only once daily and in theory R could and should be used 3 times, which I believe you accepted it.
I NEVER said (it would be suicidecal) to anyone to use R 3 times a day, 5 times a week!
When Humalog became available I implemented in my programs with many (not all) athletes and consider it excellent kind, for exact reasons you mention it –quickest action, which I find beneficial under certain conditions (immediately after the workouts).

Discussing with you 1995 I never suggested dextrose (glucose) but talked about simple sugars. Dextrose became my choice with the use of Humalog (which I find ideal combo).
You are right about me NOT suggesting fructose as for me doesn’t make much sense to take straight fructose, however I do suggest sucrose (disaharide consisted of both molecules –glucose and fructose).
You are also right about my suggestions on GH use. Either one hour before first (or any meal) or two hours after the last (or any meal, if taken in multiple occasions throughout the day).
And this approach I accepted from doctors who specialized on pharmacokinetic data with consideration of plasma half-life, clearance, hormonal interactions etc.
Since than I talked to several other doctors that have different opinion, but I still did not change mine!

You are right again as far as Nasser being the guy I talked about, but interestingly I would like to know where this $2500 payment come from?!
Nasser if you are there would you like to explain this?

And finally, I agree with you that insulin is only a part of contest preparation programs and even though VERY IMPORTANT PART, only a fraction of what contests prep requires. Only reason we are discussing it is because this was the only direct connection between us.
I hope that now we have the story out, the way it happened.
Chad, I always felt that you and Kim were sincerely friendly with my wife and me and I know that if you really thought that I spoke badly about you –you would confront me.
I am very much impressed with the results that you REPETADLY achieve with numerous athletes. I take my hat of to you for creating so many Olympia titles.
I would not be in New Orleans and even if I were I would not bother you, as I know how busy you would be.
However, next time you are around I would love to invite both you and Kim for lunch/dinner!
PS- I forgot one more thing, ten grams of carbs per unit is something I come up with back in 1994. I have never seen any Bulgarian or other studies showing that at this time. That was a puzzle that I was missing for a long time!
Since than, I found in few books from Am. Diab. Aso. Recommendations by bodyweight ranging from 6 to 20 grams per IU.
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Chad:

Milos--

Just wanted to say thanks for coming on and posting. I think together we cleared the air for everyone. I do want you to know that Duchaine actually did say that was his article in MM2000, however, I believe 100% that it was yours that it was pretty much word for word what we discussed.

As far as Nasser, all I know is that he told me he loaned you $2,500.00 and you gave him the insulin info and that was the trade off -- you need to ask him.

Yes, you did tell me glucose instead of dextrose - I just am aware that currentlly you are using dextrose. I myself, prefer fructose with a combination of a couple other things - obviously both ways work - so it's just different options for people.

As far as Humalog - I believe the only time I would agree to take it would be directly after a workout in the off-season - if that is the only time you are using it fine. I was under the impression from your athletes that you use it all the time?? either way, no big deal.

You don't need to consider me a competitor. I think there are a ton of athletes in the sport and plenty of room for all of us to do what we are doing. --And there are always going to be people in search of different options - that's one of the main reasons I put the board up - so I can give people the chance to get as much information as possible and come to their own conclusions from that. And I, myself, am always up for learning new things all the time.

The only thing I wish you would look into would be different ways of taking the GH - not trying to change your mind but there are some improved theories out there that could help. When I get back, I'm going to post some info on it - as well one of my doctor friends is going to post some info on the subject. You can read it and if you think it will help - great, if not - in one ear and out the other.

On another note - heard everything is going great with your gym. As well, I think your record speak for yourself - as I said, thought Craig was the best he had ever been, even though I am hoping all my athletes beat him this weekend Hopefully now we have put an end to this insulin fiasco and can get into some good, helpful discussions! However, I'm sure everyone enjoyed it.
   
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 12, 2008, 05:53:37 PM
Milos:
Chad, I always want to find new research and I can’t wait to see your input on GH.
I would like to get involved in discussion about it, as I got so much info from numerous doctors that would claim very interesting things.

Just to correct you – dextrose is just another name (synonym) for glucose.
Fructose, that you use is quite different and personally I only use small amounts of it, as I believe it replenishes glycogen storage in the liver that has much smaller capacity than skeletal muscles.

Also, as one of your board members mentioned it (supposedly one of the guys that was interested to hire me?) I did say that training twice a day and using post workout drink loaded with ANY simple carbohydrates could put that person in danger of becoming diabetic more so than if that person does use exogenous source of insulin.
Rationale behind it – all those simple carbs taken daily and continuously would cause blood sugar levels to shoot up to high and to quick, requiring pancreas to release so much insulin regularly.
So Swole (who are you?) if you thought I was out of line why didn’t you asked me that when we were having a conversation.
What I do with my clients and friends is –I bore them to death trying to first educate them about every aspect of the program. I don’t feel comfortable just telling people to do what I told them INSTEAD I explain them WHY I think they should try what I suggest, and elaborate as long as I feel they need to really understand the subject.
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Milos:
And it seems to me that I am confusing to many people with this glucose/sucrose/fructose thing.
In my discussion with Chad years ago (1995) I told him about MY OPINION of kind (simple or complex) of carbohydrates that I recommend using with different insulins.
I never really went into details of which kind of simple carbohydrates I would recommend –monomers or dimeric simple carbs.
D-Glucose is Dextrose (same thing) and as a water soluble MONOsaccharide we can find it in sources like fruit, honey, maple sugar JUST LIKE D-fructose (same sources).
Sucrose on another hand is disaccharide (molecule of glucose + molecule of fructose) and it is found in cane sugar, fruits, maple and beet sugars!
There is a lot of specifics that I do not want to unnecessary write about .
I realized that Chad is using different sources of carbohydrates and I respect that.
Even more –I am curious WHY.
I know that for example uptake of free fructose is considerably slower than uptake of fructose from sucrose.
Also it is known fact that upon absorption into blood -almost all the fructose go to liver.
Some of the glucose goes to liver but most of it goes to circulation (periphery) which causes high blood sugar that requires insulin release from pancreas.
Insulin than does the job of glucose transport and uptake by our skeletal muscle cells (yes, I agree that excess glucose would be sent to adipose cells, but that is another story).

I use many of the common foods that I believe Chad still uses.
BTW apple pie filling is something I got it from him (unfortunately most of my friends do not like the taste!?!?), jams, dates…
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Milos
I am ready and willing to be examined by leading diabetic experts about my theories.
I have absolutely no problem hearing opinions against my program, like I said I am ready to defend it.

However it looks like I am the only one ready to elaborate on specifics.
You are diabetic yourself and you have to take specific insulin. Athletes do it for different reasons, as you know.

From EVERY aspect I find Humalog safer and more effective (with the exception of carb loading days when I combine the two) than R or any other.

At your statement that the pancreas does not cease to produce insulin just because insulin is taken exogenously – I have a question – did you monitor endogenous secretion of insulin after administration of humalog/ R/ N/ U/ L ?
And if you did which feeding patterns did you use – (choice and amount of carbohydrates as well as proteins and according time of their intake).

Besides WHAT does supraphysiological amount of circulating insulin could do to trained subject immediately after the grueling workout (when physiologic preference of their body dictates where the nutrients should be sent?). Assuming that subjects do have appropriate nutrients in adequate amounts. This is why I do recommend what I do!

I did mention that I use sucrose in context that I agree with Chad on that one, not in sense that I prefer sucrose as a source. Simply I do use it sometimes.
Your claim that you have much more effective sources of sugar to be taken with Humalog did get my attention. So, if you could be so kind maybe you can ask your sponsors to exchange some info with me. I promise they would not get disappointed.

At the end, notion of excess intake of abundance of simple sugars (I am talking 2 times 200 grams daily, 5-6 days a week) being potentially dangerous (in absence of inject. insulin) –does comes from me.
No scientific data, no research, no proof –only a common sense.
Numerous doctors I consulted have the same response –they can’t prove it, but they would not put their family members on it!

I am not proud to say that I contributed with insulin usage among athletes.
But I am not afraid to admit that. When I started and even now –there is no accepted method that any medical practitioner would advise athletes how to correctly, safely and effectively use this potent anabolic agent!
I started with my common sense approach, Chad continued and possibly modified it. To mention again he is VERY SUCCESFULL in what he does with it. I respect his innovative personality and I can only wish to learn something from him, or from anyone else for that matter.
Your studies interest me; again for simple reason- I would like to see progress, improvement…and like always I would share new findings with everyone.

I am never offended with negative comments about my program, but I would respect somebody’s opinion if he elaborates why he or she disagrees with mine !
   
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 12, 2008, 05:54:19 PM
Or PE debate?

http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=556.0
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on July 12, 2008, 05:56:10 PM
 :o That's alot of info!!
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: TooPowerful4u on July 12, 2008, 06:05:25 PM

As many of you asked similar question - I would try to answer them all with this post:

WHY would I stop something or simply change anything????

Always for a VALID REASON...

Think about WHAT (in the world?) would possibly be a reason to change or do something???

I see that you guessed it: water retention...

Now, without attacking you directly or anything...I would really want to ask you WHY would you think that: "it is the only one which can aromatize that cause water retention? "...


Fair enough......

Trenbolone cannot aromatize to estrogen. The delta-9 group present on its structure occupies a bond necessary for aromatization of the A-Ring to be possible. Unless this group is removed metabolically, which it does not appear to be, estrogen synthesis is impossible in the body. Although nandrolone is a weak substrate for aromatase, estrogen levels can still rise during use. With trenbolone we actually expect a lowering of serum estrogen levels, as it should suppress endogenous testosterone release (the primary substrate for estradiol in men).

Winstrol is derived from DHT, and DHT is known to have ant-estrogenic effects (6) and Winstrol itself also has anti-progestenic properties (in at least some cases, where it may "block" that receptor) (7). So I think it’s safe to say that some of the “hard” look you can get in your physique from Winstrol is because of it’s ability to inhibit estrogen and progesterone- known culprits in making a physique appear smooth.

Masteron is a 2-methylates form of DHT (see DHT above).  Masteron, being 5-alpha reduced, cannot form estrogen upon interaction with the aromatase enzyme yet still shows a very high affinity for it. Because it takes up so much of the aromatase enzyme, yet is refrained from actually using it by its structural make-up, it reduces the amount of estrogen formed1 from other steroids as well because there are less aromatase enzymes to be used by those compounds to form estrogen with.  This makes it somewhat of an anti-estrogen. 

Proviron (which i know you are known to use and taper UP to a show, as i know one of your clients) is pretty much oral Masteron.


Now we all know testosterone can aromatize very well, some more than others based on genetics. 

*and yes, i copy n pasted alot of that from Llewylln to save time, i just made sure its what i had previously understood before i used it*
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 12, 2008, 06:16:16 PM
TP4U, I'm not sure what Milos meant there but a steroid can cause water retention without aromatizing. Perhaps he feels those compounds cause some water retention.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: TooPowerful4u on July 12, 2008, 06:27:11 PM
TP4U, I'm not sure what Milos meant there but a steroid can cause water retention without aromatizing. Perhaps he feels those compounds cause some water retention.

Ahhhh, yes.  Very possible....but i feel avoidable while still being able to keep them in your stack and utalize their effects.  Any site injected into will have some localized swelling and water retention, which is why you 1.5x your dose on that Wednesday as your last shots and put it in your glutes (which will be covered by trunks and water retention in the upper portion of the glutes wont matter anyway).

Anything other than this will be new news to me....but im all ears...not tryin to sound like a know it all....im honestly inquiring so i can learn....
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: TooPowerful4u on July 12, 2008, 06:30:57 PM

Any time i think of Milos and contest prep, i think back to when he was working with Silvio and that picture from weigh-ins was posted  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 12, 2008, 07:20:26 PM
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  "Well I had contacted Milos once or twice. He wanted $4000 to work with me for about 6 months. He promised 30-40 lbs in the way of contest weight, and yes, he wrote me a huge infromative on insulin as I told him I was skeptical of it. He stated that NOT using insulin when you have a large intake of simple and complex carbs after a workout risks you becoming insulin dependant more so than using it. This statement kinda threw m'e, and coupled with the ridiculous price he put out there, we quickly ceased conversing."




I have always thought this way. Why do you think that people becomes types 2 diabetics? Too many damn carbs thru out their life. Would be better if they took some insulin with all those junk carbs. Obvously this applys to any one, not just bodybuilders. George not realizing this surprises me.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 12, 2008, 07:48:29 PM
I think the above quote was from On_Swole (a contest prep guy who has expert stars here).
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Disgusted on July 12, 2008, 08:00:37 PM
I think the above quote was from On_Swole (a contest prep guy who has expert stars here).


Thanks, I was ot so sure it was George.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 12, 2008, 11:27:41 PM
Milos what are you opinions of glucose disposal agents such as vandyl, chromium, or R-ala?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: willl on July 13, 2008, 02:43:11 AM
I have to thank Milos from going through his database and actually retrieving the answers i was asking for.
Unfortunately, this info is old news to many of us.
I thought somehow there would have been something else to learn.
I guess the only way to succesfully learn new information is to hire his services, which would be normal.
Tx for the efforts.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: willl on July 13, 2008, 03:55:36 AM
I believe this is an old interview with Milos  :D

What Chad said his athletes did with the insulin I kind of doubt. One day a week, a couple of 6iu shots.  ::) :P

Seems like that's pretty much how he still uses it.

Yes Chad acts even more secretly about his stuff. Giving out wrong information partly insures his way of living and those of whom he charges. Cant blame him.


Thanks for posting the interview, VB.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: james_hetfield on July 13, 2008, 02:05:45 PM
Chad-
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Well I had contacted Milos once or twice. He wanted $4000 to work with me for about 6 months. He promised 30-40 lbs in the way of contest weight, and yes, he wrote me a huge infromative on insulin as I told him I was skeptical of it. He stated that NOT using insulin when you have a large intake of simple and complex carbs after a workout risks you becoming insulin dependant more so than using it. This statement kinda threw me, and coupled with the ridiculous price he put out there, we quickly ceased conversing.


that right there kinda sais I knew shit all about insulin use before i spoke to Milos.

Funny how everyone took credit for this.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: james_hetfield on July 13, 2008, 02:09:05 PM
its also funny how he tries to explain that his protocol is different. "I know that you recommend 10 grams, while I recommend 15 grams. I also think that you recommend 1 large meal to cover the insulin - while I recommend 2 meals - 1 large and 1 small both spaced out at different times. Not a big deal, but it is a significant difference"

can you say oxymoron.


Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: pellius on July 15, 2008, 01:20:43 AM
More info on insulin.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: DK II on July 15, 2008, 01:26:26 AM
More info on insulin.

please?

 ::)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 15, 2008, 09:49:16 AM
Sorry guys - I am really busy at work this week...I am not gone - just absent...
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: CQ on July 15, 2008, 03:54:55 PM
Milos, sorry basic question I know but am interested in your opinion. What macro breakdown [carbs, fats, protein] would you personally suggest for people who are a] just trying to lose weight [soccer moms etc] and b] pre contest dieting.

I realize everyone is different, cycling carbs yadda yadda, but as a basic premise type thing.

Thanks
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: candidizzle on July 15, 2008, 04:12:05 PM
Milos, sorry basic question I know but am interested in your opinion. What macro breakdown [carbs, fats, protein] would you personally suggest for people who are a] just trying to lose weight [soccer moms etc] and b] pre contest dieting.

I realize everyone is different, cycling carbs yadda yadda, but as a basic premise type thing.

Thanks
cq, while you wait for his answer, here is his nutrition seminar in the secrets of the pro's dvd...   (he has already said it is okay for us to post this)
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/milos%2Bsarcev/video/x2st3r_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt1_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2st3r/video/x2stak_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt2_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2stak/video/x2svbs_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt3_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2svxu/video/x2svrw_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt4_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2svbs/video/x2svxu_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt5_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2svxu/video/x2sw5i_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt6_extreme
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: smaul on July 16, 2008, 02:00:28 AM
cq, while you wait for his answer, here is his nutrition seminar in the secrets of the pro's dvd...   (he has already said it is okay for us to post this)
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/milos%2Bsarcev/video/x2st3r_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt1_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2st3r/video/x2stak_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt2_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2stak/video/x2svbs_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt3_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2svxu/video/x2svrw_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt4_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2svbs/video/x2svxu_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt5_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2svxu/video/x2sw5i_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt6_extreme


Thanks Candi/Milos
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Montague on July 16, 2008, 05:17:11 AM
Hi Milos,
When you have time…

It is with great interest that I’ve read through the “Training at the Koloseum” thread on the training board: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=138114.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=138114.0)

I did not read this anywhere, and am curious how long you have your clients train using these methods, or at least, how long would you recommend someone follow this?
It is quite common to change protocols when the body grows stale on a particular one.

On average, how long do trainers see results using your methods?

Thanks in advance.

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: MCWAY on July 16, 2008, 07:55:54 AM



2) Regarding my cheap version of the shake:

- 2 fl. oz liquid aminos (Vitamin Shoppe),
- 5-6 grams creatine with dextrose (Body Fortress or CELL-TECH)
- 5 grams glutamine (Vitamin Shoppe)

Any suggestions about improvement?


Add some Arginin for more bloodflow to the muscles.

Body Fortress Creatine has Arginine in it, as well.

But, that still leaves out Question 1, which I asked Milos: Whether the workout shakes he recommended are as effective with traditional training, as opposed to doing giant sets, as he did with Silvio Samuel, Luke Wood, and Hidetada Yamagishi.

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: liquid_c on July 18, 2008, 01:33:32 PM
Milos,

Nice to have you posting on here.  I know you charge a lot of $ for your advice yet still give at least give the basic foundation and sometimes more on here and on your main board.  I also like the fact that you try to stop the BS with pro dosages etc.  A quick question, I don't expect a over-detailed answer as I know you charge $.  Anway, I have an idea from your Chad N. debate on how you like to use Insulin in the offseason 3X a day, but definately not ED.  Could you give an idea of how you think in terms of frequency and approx dosages insulin should be used in preparing for a show?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: CQ on July 19, 2008, 03:20:42 PM
cq, while you wait for his answer, here is his nutrition seminar in the secrets of the pro's dvd...   (he has already said it is okay for us to post this)
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/milos%2Bsarcev/video/x2st3r_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt1_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2st3r/video/x2stak_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt2_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2stak/video/x2svbs_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt3_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2svxu/video/x2svrw_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt4_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2svbs/video/x2svxu_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt5_extreme
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/x2svxu/video/x2sw5i_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt6_extreme


Thanks Candi
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: pellius on July 21, 2008, 10:07:54 PM
Milos, why would you take insulin before training? Wouldn't that risk going hypo or at best making you lethargic?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: BIG DUB on July 21, 2008, 10:51:59 PM
Milos, why would you take insulin before training? Wouldn't that risk going hypo or at best making you lethargic?

I'm thinking that's why he uses that 3 stage hyper anabolic system to shuttle the nutrients into the muscle while training.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on July 22, 2008, 12:25:32 PM
Milos, what do you recommend as a "fat burning" supp? Legel too.  We all know about ECA, CLen, T3 ,DNP.  But what about over the counter stuff like ALRI Venom, or Lipo6 etc... Are these products just garbage with a lot of caffeine to make you feel like something is happening or are they actually good. Do any of the pros touch this shit or do they stick to classic Clen and T3?

Hvala ti Milosevic , JA poštovati to
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: bigdarksnake on July 23, 2008, 03:43:58 PM
Milos, thanks for posting here, and helping everyone out. I'm a big fan not just of your physique, or your mind but of how you handle yourself.

1.  What number of calories over maintenance levels (where you are not gaining or losing weight) should a natural bodybuilder go to, to gain mass without gaining too much fat? Lets say my maintenance calories are 3,000.

2.  Should a natural bodybuilder go on a "bulking" phase for maximum results (eating crazy amounts of calories, and disregarding the fat gain)? Or should a natty just go slightly over maintenance so he doesn't gain too much fat?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: BIG DUB on July 23, 2008, 09:41:13 PM
If you can get a copy of his Secrets of the Pros DVD it's a good investment. For about 30 bucks you get a 2 hour and some change nutrition seminar packed with info he usualy charges the 500.00 for. As for his recommendations go to his website and read the thread "HI Milos I Have A Simple Question" It's in the Diet/Nutrition/Supplementation section. At about the 4 paragraph he states what he would recommend initally then you make the adjustments for yourself.

Milos, thanks for posting here, and helping everyone out. I'm a big fan not just of your physique, or your mind but of how you handle yourself.

1.  What number of calories over maintenance levels (where you are not gaining or losing weight) should a natural bodybuilder go to, to gain mass without gaining too much fat? Lets say my maintenance calories are 3,000.

2.  Should a natural bodybuilder go on a "bulking" phase for maximum results (eating crazy amounts of calories, and disregarding the fat gain)? Or should a natty just go slightly over maintenance so he doesn't gain too much fat?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: bigdarksnake on July 24, 2008, 09:53:55 AM
Thanks Big Dub!!! I will get the dvd.


If you can get a copy of his Secrets of the Pros DVD it's a good investment. For about 30 bucks you get a 2 hour and some change nutrition seminar packed with info he usualy charges the 500.00 for. As for his recommendations go to his website and read the thread "HI Milos I Have A Simple Question" It's in the Diet/Nutrition/Supplementation section. At about the 4 paragraph he states what he would recommend initally then you make the adjustments for yourself.

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Croatian on July 26, 2008, 04:10:50 AM
G'day Misko (dobar dan),

All the Best from Sydney (pozdrav i sve najbolje)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 26, 2008, 10:34:15 AM
Sorry guys - last week was just too much to handle...

Johnnie Jackson is training with me twice a day + regular job...Be back soon...
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 26, 2008, 11:33:19 AM
Sorry guys - last week was just too much to handle...

Johnnie Jackson is training with me twice a day + regular job...Be back soon...
no prab milos.....:)

how is johnny looking?? And is his injury healed from that powerlifting meet he did not too long ago?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on July 26, 2008, 01:33:45 PM
Sorry guys - last week was just too much to handle...

Johnnie Jackson is training with me twice a day + regular job...Be back soon...
I just missed him the other day............Binias' cover looks awesome!!
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 27, 2008, 03:34:36 AM


A little tribute

Something I used to watch for hours to an end on VHS when I started bodybuilding.

Very inspirational for me at that time...still today

Bellow is what I call spot on or as good as it gets...

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Bobby on July 27, 2008, 11:16:43 AM
holy fucking !#"¤"¤%¤! that last video :o

absolutely perfect!
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 29, 2008, 08:48:37 PM



Just another posing routine I enjoyed doing...


Sorry guys I am so behind at work that I really need to catch up...and I am sorry that I am not here - answering questions...

However I will be back...soon...Coach - don't cry...I'll be back!
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 29, 2008, 08:50:19 PM
Actually - my favorite routine


Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: haider on July 29, 2008, 09:06:56 PM



Just another posing routine I enjoyed doing...


Sorry guys I am so behind at work that I really need to catch up...and I am sorry that I am not here - answering questions...

However I will be back...soon...Coach - don't cry...I'll be back!
what do you do?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chris faildo on July 29, 2008, 10:20:47 PM
Hey Milos, just got my new Planet Muscle Magazine in the mail the other day- guess who's on the cover?  Congrats-awesome picture bro.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on July 31, 2008, 09:59:00 AM
Hey Milos, just got my new Planet Muscle Magazine in the mail the other day- guess who's on the cover?  Congrats-awesome picture bro.

Thx Chris...it is only 12 years old...(photo on the cover...I look much better today - you know...)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chris faildo on July 31, 2008, 02:52:36 PM
Thx Chris...it is only 12 years old...(photo on the cover...I look much better today - you know...)
It must be nice to still grace the covers of muscle mags even though you've been laying low for a while now.  That shows you how much people respect your opinion and physique.  I know I do! 
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Bluto on August 03, 2008, 04:36:22 PM
milos,

on the g & o this pic of you at 21 is posted

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=227074.0;attach=265734;image)

now it doesnt look like you had very big calves at that time. so it might be safe to say that you didnt have genetically big calves, like for example dorian?

knowing this, it would be interesting to hear what you did for calves as im sure you felt the need to something about this lagging bodypart.

(where as for example it's not very interesting to hear about what dorian, or any other with genetically great calves did, because they never had to struggle)

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: migchain on August 03, 2008, 04:49:40 PM
Hey Milos, thanks for answering our questions!

  I´m a big fan. I´m going all the way from Brazil to watch Mr O contest in September, and I´ll stop by Fullerton to spend a few days at koloseum. I hope we can meet there.

   I have a few questions:

   Any news about the seminar you are planning to do at Olympia?

   If i can remember, You told a few weeks ago you had tore your meniscus ( spell?).  is it true? Are you going to do the surgery?
   
    I figured out that I tore my medial meniscus while playing soccer.  I haven´t played soccer for the last two years...  So, two months ago I was there with my friends...  weighting 220 lbs and running around playing soccer was not a good idea for me...  :( 

    Because I´m going to stay for two weeks in the US  in September, classes at college and other stuff, I´m only be able to undergo surgery by December..

 What would I do to be able to train my quads properly without worsen my problem?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Armageddon on August 29, 2008, 11:44:55 PM
Hi milos,

Q1.  what is the best essential amino acid (when buying and essential amino acids which one should we focus on having more in or what which amino acid is the most important and should be the most contained in a good essential amino acid

Q2.  can argenine be taken with glutamine, caffeine , ephedrine?  If not why each of them conflicts with argenine??


  thanks
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: ASJChaotic on August 31, 2008, 08:34:59 PM
Hi Milos, I'm a big fan (BEEEEEEEG FAN) of you and your KNOWLEDGE  ;D
You feel that the best way to grow big is to WORK THE MUSCLE and FEED IT so
for your program what would be the frequency for training each bodypart?....for a natural
I do 5 working sets per bodypart and work my whole body ( ;Dnot a newb, it works for me ;D) 3-4 times a week in 90 minutes
I would love to try your program because last night I actually had a dream and it was about your giant sets hahahahahaha  ;D I kid you not bro, I swear
it's gonna be a "beach" to try it when the gym is busy though
would a natural person make good gains working with it and is there a website where the whole program is posted?
Thanks
and thanks for spending time on getbig  ;) forget about coach, we all know he is a retired retard  ;)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: ASJChaotic on August 31, 2008, 09:51:15 PM
By the way Milos.......
would using Drop Sets be as good as using different exercises for the same muscle?
so instead of doing 5 different exercises one could do 5 Drop Sets ???
this is all very new to me, I have always trained in the 6-8 rep range and have always pushed my limits
because I thought exposing your muscle to stess beyond what it is used to caused growth...
so heavy weights and grinding teeth :-X
they said : (heavy weight causes intense muscular contractions which causes big muscle growth "not powerlifter heavy" :D)
until Jay Cutler comes along with "I don't lift heavy enough but I'm  #2 (NOW #1) in the F$&king world ;D"
and "people think it's about lifting heavy weights....it's not ::), it's all about working the muscle and feeding it"
and you and your concepts of giant sets and feeding the muscle
muscle growth is very Complexly Simple or Simply Complex  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: ASJChaotic on August 31, 2008, 09:55:41 PM
also would'nt consuming food DURING the workout divert blood from muscles to the stomach so that the food can be disgested better?
I'm not an expert like you Milos, I don't have my PHD in biochemistry or physiology and I don't know a fraction of what you know, I'm just searching for answers, always searching for information, the more you know the better you're off don't you think?  ;D
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: ASJChaotic on September 02, 2008, 05:35:19 PM
also would'nt consuming food DURING the workout divert blood from muscles to the stomach so that the food can be disgested better?
I'm not an expert like you Milos, I don't have my PHD in biochemistry or physiology and I don't know a fraction of what you know, I'm just searching for answers, always searching for information, the more you know the better you're off don't you think?  ;D

I tried your workout today and the shake......
anybody who bitches about you using "pussy weights" should be slapped, I almost threw up for the first time in all this time I have been working out, it's way harder than HIT and puts so much demand on your cardiovascular system, you train harder than Dorian Yates or anybody and people should not judge working hard by the amount of weight a person uses
I should ask again I know that you want to stimulate growth for every muscle fiber by doing different exercises but since I don't own my own gym  ;D
kind of hard to do a rotation of 20 exercises like you did with dennis wolf so would using drop sets and couple of different exercises be effective also?
 
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Fatpanda on September 03, 2008, 12:47:15 PM
i believe you have scared milos away   >:(
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Bobby on September 07, 2008, 10:25:29 AM
maybe he doesn't like to answer?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Montague on September 07, 2008, 08:14:45 PM
Or maybe the guy is just busy.



Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on September 07, 2008, 08:18:02 PM
Definately a very busy dude, running several businesses.

I do wish he'd pop in more, just to answer questions. :-\
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: MCWAY on September 07, 2008, 08:31:05 PM

maybe he doesn't like to answer?

Perhaps not! I asked a question over two months ago, regarding whether or not his shakes (taken during a workout) are as effective with traditional training, as opposed to going giant sets.



Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Bluto on September 08, 2008, 07:31:32 AM
I asked him to do a Q&A like this on the Training board a year ago and he said he was too busy back then. We just need to be patient and don't flood the thread with too many questions at a time.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Bobby on September 08, 2008, 10:12:52 AM
I think he is prepping a guy for a show too, he probably has his hands full now
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Montague on September 08, 2008, 02:49:19 PM
I asked him to do a Q&A like this on the Training board a year ago and he said he was too busy back then.

Hmm...
Chaos & Flex got him to post here without giving any excuses.


And you call yourself a "supermod."
 ::)
 ;D
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on September 08, 2008, 08:43:52 PM
I know he's very busy, always on the go.

I did get to see Hide and Luke in the gym today..... 8)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Fatpanda on September 27, 2008, 01:40:55 PM
milos what does chad do different from yourself that produces large guts and damaged kidneys?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: affeman on October 07, 2008, 07:07:40 AM
Hi Milos, what do you think about Dennis Wolfs 2008 Olympia showing?? Do you think he looked better or worse than in 2007 (honestly)??

Could you lead Dennis to the Olympia-title??
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT on October 10, 2008, 11:39:54 PM
Sorry guys - last week was just too much to handle...

Johnnie Jackson is training with me twice a day + regular job...Be back soon...
When you get back online, can you just tell us a bit about the great Sonny Schmidt. I know that you guys were close. I met him a few times and he was a great man. He was one of the best. It is sad that he is gone.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: marcos chacon on October 24, 2008, 01:49:46 AM
I tried your workout today and the shake......
anybody who bitches about you using "pussy weights" should be slapped, I almost threw up for the first time in all this time I have been working out, it's way harder than HIT and puts so much demand on your cardiovascular system, you train harder than Dorian Yates or anybody and people should not judge working hard by the amount of weight a person uses
I should ask again I know that you want to stimulate growth for every muscle fiber by doing different exercises but since I don't own my own gym  ;D
kind of hard to do a rotation of 20 exercises like you did with dennis wolf so would using drop sets and couple of different exercises be effective also?
 
i own a gym and its rather dificult for me too,my gm is small and only have one machine each.but with imagination you can get to 10,15 or 20 exercices for sure.and for all of you that think you dont gain muscle with this training style,i started my prep this year with 120 kg fat  and really out of shape, my contest weight 118kg,that only means something!! i gained muscle!!! training suoer giant sets is very demanding,funny,and hard, the ounos are hard to beat this way,give it a try for a few mnths and you will be amazed.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: DK II on October 24, 2008, 01:54:09 AM
i own a gym and its rather dificult for me too,my gm is small and only have one machine each.but with imagination you can get to 10,15 or 20 exercices for sure.and for all of you that think you dont gain muscle with this training style,i started my prep this year with 120 kg fat  and really out of shape, my contest weight 118kg,that only means something!! i gained muscle!!! training suoer giant sets is very demanding,funny,and hard, the ounos are hard to beat this way,give it a try for a few mnths and you will be amazed.


I totally agree, i do giant sets as well.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: flexingtonsteele on October 24, 2008, 02:13:46 AM
i own a gym and its rather dificult for me too,my gm is small and only have one machine each.but with imagination you can get to 10,15 or 20 exercices for sure.and for all of you that think you dont gain muscle with this training style,i started my prep this year with 120 kg fat  and really out of shape, my contest weight 118kg,that only means something!! i gained muscle!!! training suoer giant sets is very demanding,funny,and hard, the ounos are hard to beat this way,give it a try for a few mnths and you will be amazed.

u looked great this year marcos! just wanted to let u know ;D

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Cleanest Natural on October 24, 2008, 05:26:27 AM
i own a gym and its rather dificult for me too,my gm is small and only have one machine each.but with imagination you can get to 10,15 or 20 exercices for sure.and for all of you that think you dont gain muscle with this training style,i started my prep this year with 120 kg fat  and really out of shape, my contest weight 118kg,that only means something!! i gained muscle!!! training suoer giant sets is very demanding,funny,and hard, the ounos are hard to beat this way,give it a try for a few mnths and you will be amazed.

How was your romanian experience ? I thought the lights were bad as ussual and the venue looked like a thirdworld country.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: ASJChaotic on October 24, 2008, 08:25:57 AM
How was your romanian experience ? I thought the lights were bad as ussual and the venue looked like a thirdworld country.
damn it sebastian  >:(
I'm seriously coming to Romania and I never got any tips or anything
or told what to bring, I thought I'd get more support
I'd tell you what to bring to Canada  :D
garlic for vampries is a must but you guys better not have any fucking werewolves around  >:(  ;D
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Cleanest Natural on October 24, 2008, 08:35:21 AM
damn it sebastian  >:(
I'm seriously coming to Romania and I never got any tips or anything
or told what to bring, I thought I'd get more support
I'd tell you what to bring to Canada  :D
garlic for vampries is a must but you guys better not have any fucking werewolves around  >:(  ;D
I have been to Canada numerous times

if you come to romania ..pm me ..we'll meet ( ina non gay way hahahaha )
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: ASJChaotic on October 24, 2008, 03:20:55 PM
I have been to Canada numerous times

if you come to romania ..pm me ..we'll meet ( ina non gay way hahahaha )
do you live in Cluj-Napoca?  :-\
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Cleanest Natural on October 24, 2008, 03:51:32 PM
do you live in Cluj-Napoca?  :-\
no .. I have family there ...i SPENT A MONTH THERE THIS SUMMER .
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Bluto on October 27, 2008, 05:03:03 AM
rip q&a thread  :(

time to unsticky it and replace with derek anthonys
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: DK II on October 27, 2008, 05:50:47 AM
rip q&a thread  :(

time to unsticky it and replace with derek anthonys

Milos is a busy man and the first few pages have made him sell more supps.

He will be back when his sales go down again.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: slaveboy1980 on October 27, 2008, 05:57:57 AM
Milos is a busy man and the first few pages have made him sell more supps.

He will be back when his sales go down again.

so tell us about your results with this kind of training? has your bw gone up? can you lift heavier weights? has your biceps grown etc etc?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: DK II on October 27, 2008, 06:51:07 AM
so tell us about your results with this kind of training? has your bw gone up? can you lift heavier weights? has your biceps grown etc etc?

There are a few amazing points about this training:

1) it's fun to do. Basically, i just do several exercises without taking a break in between. When i have completed one cycle, i do another one until i feel exhausted. I change reps and weights around every two weeks, sometimes do super-slow, rest/pause etc, whatever comes to my mind.

2) i burn fat like never before training like this. The constant strain on your muscles, working out for 45-60 minutes without taking a break keeps your heartrate very high. Despite burning off a lot of fat (i can see that in the mirror  ::) ) my bodyweight has gone up, so i think that means i burn fat AND build muscle at the same time.

3) i trained DC before doing giant sets and had real problems in bringing my arms and shoulders up. Somehow (and please don't turn this into  a discussion on how great DC is, natural al  ;D ) DC doesn't work for me. Now i train shoulders and arms each on their separate days and it works great for me.

4) strength: my strength has gone up a great deal since i do giant sets. Like i wrote before, i change reps, weights and training style every 2 weeks, the only thing i keep is doing giant sets, 8 to 10 exercises each workout.

5) i don't do cardio at all yet my endurance keeps getting better. I think this is due to working out without making breaks.


All in all, it's the most fun and interesting training style i have yet come across, if you want to say so. The key point in it is just: Don't do breaks between sets, do each muscle group on its own day and have a greater variety of exercises.

 
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: slaveboy1980 on October 27, 2008, 07:00:08 AM
There are a few amazing points about this training:

1) it's fun to do. Basically, i just do several exercises without taking a break in between. When i have completed one cycle, i do another one until i feel exhausted. I change reps and weights around every two weeks, sometimes do super-slow, rest/pause etc, whatever comes to my mind.

2) i burn fat like never before training like this. The constant strain on your muscles, working out for 45-60 minutes without taking a break keeps your heartrate very high. Despite burning off a lot of fat (i can see that in the mirror  ::) ) my bodyweight has gone up, so i think that means i burn fat AND build muscle at the same time.

3) i trained DC before doing giant sets and had real problems in bringing my arms and shoulders up. Somehow (and please don't turn this into  a discussion on how great DC is, natural al  ;D ) DC doesn't work for me. Now i train shoulders and arms each on their separate days and it works great for me.

4) strength: my strength has gone up a great deal since i do giant sets. Like i wrote before, i change reps, weights and training style every 2 weeks, the only thing i keep is doing giant sets, 8 to 10 exercises each workout.

5) i don't do cardio at all yet my endurance keeps getting better. I think this is due to working out without making breaks.


All in all, it's the most fun and interesting training style i have yet come across, if you want to say so. The key point in it is just: Don't do breaks between sets, do each muscle group on its own day and have a greater variety of exercises.

 

good job man...training has to be FUN (specially if ur not competing/making money from the 'sport')...i think alot of people forget that. training doesnt have to be optimal (as long as you get results), but it does need to be fun or you will soon quit.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: DK II on October 27, 2008, 07:05:25 AM
good job man...training has to be FUN (specially if ur not competing/making money from the 'sport')...i think alot of people forget that. training doesnt have to be optimal (as long as you get results), but it does need to be fun or you will soon quit.

Having fun is the no 1 thing in training.

Another thing i want to add is that i have been training like this constantly for about a year now and i have never been injured nor had any major problems.

Training DC or HIT were accompanied by constant pain in the joints for me after a few months. I think that the possibility to change so much around is a great advantage of the giant sets.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: slaveboy1980 on October 27, 2008, 07:11:24 AM
Having fun is the no 1 thing in training.

Another thing i want to add is that i have been training like this constantly for about a year now and i have never been injured nor had any major problems.

Training DC or HIT were accompanied by constant pain in the joints for me after a few months. I think that the possibility to change so much around is a great advantage of the giant sets.

DC training is too much for most people (burns people out)...and i know several who have injured themselves using that training style. if you wanna bodybuild for more than a few years: dont use DC training.

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: per gunnar on October 27, 2008, 07:25:04 AM
Jusr wondering. Do you never get tired with giant sets. I am thinking like overtraining.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: DK II on October 27, 2008, 07:27:25 AM
Jusr wondering. Do you never get tired with giant sets. I am thinking like overtraining.

No, because when i'd feel i might overtrain (hasn't happened so far because like i said, i change the weights and rep around all the time), i'd simply do lower weights, slower reps and higher reps for two weeks.

If you put some thought into it, you cannot do much wrong with giant sets.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: per gunnar on October 27, 2008, 11:00:26 AM
Thank you DonkeyKing. I shall try giant sets in my own training sine I do got too much fat around my waist. And gain muscle as I lose fat.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: tbombz on October 27, 2008, 12:12:03 PM
i wonder how these guys feel ater doing giant sets. i see video of wolf doing a long intense giant set i wonder why he isnt going hypo and getting dizzy since i dont see him sipping any glucose ?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on October 27, 2008, 06:16:21 PM
i wonder how these guys feel ater doing giant sets. i see video of wolf doing a long intense giant set i wonder why he isnt going hypo and getting dizzy since i dont see him sipping any glucose ?
Out of breath, light headed, sweaty as hell, pumped like a mofo.....without glucose or anything else.

Personal experience.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: slaveboy1980 on October 27, 2008, 06:20:19 PM
Syed Sakhi Shah Chan Charagh Badshah
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: marcos chacon on October 28, 2008, 01:49:22 AM
How was your romanian experience ? I thought the lights were bad as ussual and the venue looked like a thirdworld country.

Well they could have been better ,will say that way hahaha. not happy a bout my placing ,strange comparissions,well just one more experience

next year bigger and better.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: DK II on November 28, 2008, 04:05:43 AM
Milos?  :-\
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Fatpanda on November 28, 2008, 04:28:06 AM
milos have you ever had a threesome ?

also do you have any experience with dnp ?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: affeman on November 28, 2008, 04:29:36 AM
Hi Milos, what do you think about Dennis Wolfs 2008 Olympia showing?? Do you think he looked better or worse than in 2007 (honestly)??

Could you lead Dennis to the Olympia-title??
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Fatpanda on November 30, 2008, 06:57:24 AM
milos WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US ? :'(
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Bobby on November 30, 2008, 08:56:52 AM
PIP this thread :'(
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: smaul on December 08, 2008, 06:19:54 AM
There are a few amazing points about this training:

1) it's fun to do. Basically, i just do several exercises without taking a break in between. When i have completed one cycle, i do another one until i feel exhausted. I change reps and weights around every two weeks, sometimes do super-slow, rest/pause etc, whatever comes to my mind.

2) i burn fat like never before training like this. The constant strain on your muscles, working out for 45-60 minutes without taking a break keeps your heartrate very high. Despite burning off a lot of fat (i can see that in the mirror  ::) ) my bodyweight has gone up, so i think that means i burn fat AND build muscle at the same time.

3) i trained DC before doing giant sets and had real problems in bringing my arms and shoulders up. Somehow (and please don't turn this into  a discussion on how great DC is, natural al  ;D ) DC doesn't work for me. Now i train shoulders and arms each on their separate days and it works great for me.

4) strength: my strength has gone up a great deal since i do giant sets. Like i wrote before, i change reps, weights and training style every 2 weeks, the only thing i keep is doing giant sets, 8 to 10 exercises each workout.

5) i don't do cardio at all yet my endurance keeps getting better. I think this is due to working out without making breaks.


All in all, it's the most fun and interesting training style i have yet come across, if you want to say so. The key point in it is just: Don't do breaks between sets, do each muscle group on its own day and have a greater variety of exercises.

 

interesting. is this in keeping with Milos' techniques?

When you are doing giant sets, are these for the same body part or are you in essence, supersetting different body parts? 

Will have to give this a go, how many sets per body part do you end up doing per workout/week?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: DK II on December 08, 2008, 07:01:49 AM
interesting. is this in keeping with Milos' techniques?

When you are doing giant sets, are these for the same body part or are you in essence, supersetting different body parts? 

Will have to give this a go, how many sets per body part do you end up doing per workout/week?

1) I think so. At least, that'smy interpretation of Giant sets and they work great for me.
2) Same bodypart. I do
Mo: Legs
Tue: off
Wed: chest
Thu: back
Fri: off
Sat: shoulder
Sun: arms

3) see 2)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: smaul on December 08, 2008, 07:08:31 AM
1) I think so. At least, that'smy interpretation of Giant sets and they work great for me.
2) Same bodypart. I do
Mo: Legs
Tue: off
Wed: chest
Thu: back
Fri: off
Sat: shoulder
Sun: arms

3) see 2)

so for example you might do the following for shoulders;

dumbell shoulder press
lateral dumbell raises
machine shoulder presses
bent lateral dumb raises
?

Guess you would do this three times and then you've done 12 sets for shoulders?  Or would that not be enough?
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: DK II on December 08, 2008, 07:32:47 AM
so for example you might do the following for shoulders;

dumbell shoulder press
lateral dumbell raises
machine shoulder presses
bent lateral dumb raises
?

Guess you would do this three times and then you've done 12 sets for shoulders?  Or would that not be enough?

For shoulders, i do:

machine lateral raises
upright rows EZ bar
lateral dumbell raises
For example like this:
(http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080304/images/fit280.jpg)
bent over lateral raises
cable trap rows ( i have explained this before, i'll look it up later)
upright rows cable
shrugs
dumbell shoulder presses


That is ONE set. I will do this 3-4 times, eventually changing some exercises or weights according to how i feel.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on December 08, 2008, 05:28:22 PM
I just did shoulders today.......

I did..

Standing Military press/bent over db laterals/standing side laterals/standing db presses  4 sets


then I did.....

bench with a custom bar with vertical handles, like a hammer curl bar but bigger
seated bent over laterals/seated side laterals  3 sets

then barbell shrugs/db shrugs

Threw in some abs at the end.

So about 25 'sets' for shoulders.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: ASJChaotic on December 08, 2008, 05:43:42 PM
I just did shoulders today.......

I did..

Standing Military press/bent over db laterals/standing side laterals/standing db presses  4 sets


then I did.....

bench with a custom bar with vertical handles, like a hammer curl bar but bigger
seated bent over laterals/seated side laterals  3 sets

then barbell shrugs/db shrugs

Threw in some abs at the end.

So about 25 'sets' for shoulders.

shrugs are not for shoulders, they're for traps which is part of the back muscles, not deltoids, champ.  People always get it wrong.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Emmortal on December 08, 2008, 06:19:34 PM
shrugs are not for shoulders, they're for traps which is part of the back muscles, not deltoids, champ.  People always get it wrong.

Nothing wrong with doing them on shoulder day really.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on December 08, 2008, 06:22:38 PM
shrugs are not for shoulders, they're for traps which is part of the back muscles, not deltoids, champ.  People always get it wrong.
Who said traps were part of the shoulder, idiot?

Edited: Forgot this was The Positive Board. ::)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: ASJChaotic on December 08, 2008, 06:36:19 PM
Who said traps were part of the shoulder, idiot?

Edited: Forgot this was The Positive Board. ::)

"I did shoulders today"

"25 sets for shoulders"

and you include the shrugs in those sets, calm down, I was simply trying to be positive.  :)
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on December 08, 2008, 06:42:21 PM
"I did shoulders today"

"25 sets for shoulders"

and you include the shrugs in those sets, calm down, I was simply trying to be positive.  :)
You should learn how to count, I didn't include shrugs in that 25 sets.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: DK II on December 09, 2008, 01:38:20 AM
You should learn how to count, I didn't include shrugs in that 25 sets.

either way, nothing is wrong with doing shrugs (trapezius) on shoulder day.

Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on December 09, 2008, 05:14:15 AM
either way, nothing is wrong with doing shrugs (trapezius) on shoulder day.


I do traps with shoulders 80-90% of the time.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: DK II on December 09, 2008, 06:00:45 AM
I do traps with shoulders 80-90% of the time.

Me too.

Reason: Traps may not be a part of shoulders, but only training your delts is pointless.

Back day is hard and has a lot of different exercises, adding traps on back day would just be too much, so i shift them to shoulder day.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: chaos on December 09, 2008, 04:54:16 PM
Me too.

Reason: Traps may not be a part of shoulders, but only training your delts is pointless.

Back day is hard and has a lot of different exercises, adding traps on back day would just be too much, so i shift them to shoulder day.
Traps are also involved in shoulder movements, laterals, presses...
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: Bobby on December 12, 2008, 02:31:33 PM
Me too.

Reason: Traps may not be a part of shoulders, but only training your delts is pointless.

Back day is hard and has a lot of different exercises, adding traps on back day would just be too much, so i shift them to shoulder day.

indeed! too many pulling exercises on backday already, don't need another one.
Title: Re: Q&A with IFBB Pro Milos Sarcev
Post by: cherrybody on December 23, 2008, 07:13:19 PM
Milo's, just wanted to say Hi to you and the family. I'll never forget my first Flex magazine photo shoot, Thanks to you and the wonderful hospitality you showed me at your home and your gym. Cameron says hello to Alix. Hope to see you at Iron Man. ADorthus Cherry
 I seen his books this man has a library of knowledge right at his fingertips!