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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: alnassak on November 03, 2008, 03:33:36 AM
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I have never used any kind of steroids and I have been training for 3 years naturally with the help of some supplements.
I have heard about Anavar that it is the safest steroids but I am not sure about its results.
Has anybody use it a alone and saw nice results with no side effects..? and what were the dosages..?
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Testosterone is the safest steroid.
Potential problems from running Anavar: low HDL cholesterol, very low libido, low mental "drive" due to it not being very androgenic.
It doesn't cause lots of acne, water retention, isn't very toxic (but the liver toxicity potential is there) etc. That's why many say it's the "safest" steroid, but that's not entirely correct. Low HDL cholesterol isn't very safe for example.
The good: very nice strength gains relative to body weight.
You want safe? Low dose of test.
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I have never used any kind of steroids and I have been training for 3 years naturally with the help of some supplements.
I have heard about Anavar that it is the safest steroids but I am not sure about its results.
Has anybody use it a alone and saw nice results with no side effects..? and what were the dosages..?
Define safest?
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if you are running ug Var, shouldn't do less than 60mg daily.
If you're running UG var it's probably winny.
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0 joint pain here, feels right to me. And a certain supplier is having a sale right now which would allow most to run over 100mg a day.
i wouldnt waste money on anavar regardless of how good his sale is
edit= i would only buy anavar if i was going to help a girl get into shape and i was getting paid for the services and it more than covered the cost of the var
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you like to start it off with var? i think ending off with a cycle with var, suspension,and winny is the bestt...hardens you up and gives you strength gains like crazyyy.
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if you are running ug Var, shouldn't do less than 60mg daily.
I've seen ok results from only 30mg/day but that was HG.
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Testosterone is the safest steroid.
I haven't used steroids yet, but I always thought Primo was the "safest" so to speak.
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I haven't used steroids yet per se (PH), but I always thought Primo was the "safest" so to speak from what I've read/heard.
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i wouldnt waste money on anavar regardless of how good his sale is
Anavar is a fantastic compound. Over time the strength gains are better than with Anadrol, IME.
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I haven't used steroids yet, but I always thought Primo was the "safest" so to speak.
Depends on what you mean by safe, like Rimbaud said above. It's not healthy to shut down test production and replace it with just Primo. Test is natural to the body.
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Anavar is a fantastic compound. Over time the strength gains are better than with Anadrol, IME.
i hate anadrol... and i would rather bench 135 and look like a bench 800 than bench 800 and look like i bench 135.. ;D
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very low libido-No problem there, low mental "drive" due to it not being very androgenic-No problem there.
Did you run it solo? If you run test with it those sides aren't as likely of course.
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i hate anadrol... and i would rather bench 135 and look like a bench 800 than bench 800 and look like i bench 135.. ;D
Yep, different goals, different compounds. I train mostly for strength nowadays.
But if I were a bodybuilder and had a choice between adding Winstrol or Anavar to a stack (either bulking or cutting) I'd always choose Anavar.
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Yep, different goals, different compounds. I train mostly for strength nowadays.
But if I were a bodybuilder and had a choice between adding Winstrol or Anavar to a stack (either bulking or cutting) I'd always choose Anavar.
hahah, bastard ;D , the winny was at a great price anyway... and its injectable and not oral.. which i much prefer, since orals kill my appetite
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hahah, bastard ;D , the winny was at a great price anyway... and its injectable and not oral.. which i much prefer, since orals kill my appetite
The only Winstrol I'd shoot would be Desma Winstrol Depot (previously Zambon). The rest I'd drink. :D
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The only Winstrol I'd shoot would be Desma Winstrol Depot (previously Zambon). The rest I'd drink. :D
this will effect my appetite the same though, no ?
i think i need a break from orals.. normally dbol would make one feel energetic uplifted and hungry... this morning i didnt take any and all the sudden i feel like a million bucks and im starving..
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this will effect my appetite the same though, no ?
i think i need a break from orals.. normally dbol would make one feel energetic uplifted and hungry... this morning i didnt take any and all the sudden i feel like a million bucks and im starving..
Try eating then taking the dbol!
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Did you run it solo? If you run test with it those sides aren't as likely of course.
iv ran anavar solo a couple times when i first starting saucing and had zero issues
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guys I am confused now :-[
I want to know If I take (20-40)gm per day of Anavar with no other kind of steroids and use my supplemants, how much of lean muscles would I be able to put in a period of 4 weeks..?
I am not planning to take any injectable steroids ever and I am not interseted in mass like I am in condition :)
I am 5"8 and 156 Ibs ripped & shredded.
My dream is to be (175 -180) Ibs extera ripped & shredded.
Thanks a lot guys :)
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guys I am confused now :-[
I want to know If I take (20-40)gm per day of Anavar with no other kind of steroids and use my supplemants, how much of lean muscles would I be able to put in a period of 4 weeks..?
I am not planning to take any injectable steroids ever and I am not interseted in mass like I am in condition :)
I am 5"8 and 156 Ibs ripped & shredded.
My dream is to be (175 -180) Ibs extera ripped & shredded.
Thanks a lot guys :)
No one can answer that question exactly...because it'll depend on training, diet, & if you've got the real think. A generic answer...maybe one or two pounds. You should probably take it for at least twice as long. 4 weeks of anavar WILL NOT give you 20-25 pounds of lean mass.
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i wouldnt waste money on anavar regardless of how good his sale is
edit= i would only buy anavar if i was going to help a girl get into shape and i was getting paid for the services and it more than covered the cost of the var
Var is an awesome compound when used correctly..
If you are cutting it most definetly speeds up fatburning and helps hold your strength stable and even increase whilst in a calorie reduced state..
Only problem is price..I notice change @ 30mg a day but found best gains start @ 50mg..
Never ran it alone ..always had test as a base no matter what..
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Only problem is price..I notice change @ 30mg a day but found best gains start @ 50mg..
so what your saying is that increasing the dose made the drug more effective ?
hhhmmmmmmmmmm
;)
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I have never used any kind of steroids and I have been training for 3 years naturally with the help of some supplements.
I have heard about Anavar that it is the safest steroids but I am not sure about its results.
Has anybody use it a alone and saw nice results with no side effects..? and what were the dosages..?
Anavar is a mild anabolic........not as strong as Winstrol.
It's more of a complementary anabolic, not something you would run alone.
I see it as candy to run on the side on Sustanon/Tren type cycle.
Other than that, it's useless for me.
DIV
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Anavar is a mild anabolic........not as strong as Winstrol.
For me Anavar beats Winstrol in every area. Winstrol is a shit drug IME.
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For me Anavar beats Winstrol in every area. Winstrol is a shit drug IME.
Different strokes for different folks. ;D
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For me Anavar beats Winstrol in every area. Winstrol is a shit drug IME.
Anavar for me is about as effective as T-bol, which isn't saying much.
Winstrol is a huge performance drug for me.
I can "feel" Winstrol in my workouts.
It's a great anabolic for endurance days.........Legs. ;D
DIV
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so what your saying is that increasing the dose made the drug more effective ?
hhhmmmmmmmmmm
;)
With Var yes..
You cant compare it to other more "powerful" aas , it was used in third world countries to put weight on children who were suffering aenima(sp?)
So you still are wrong about all it takes to be on the Mr O stage is ramping doses 2,3,4,5,6 grams etc
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With Var yes..
You cant compare it to other more "powerful" aas , it was used in third world countries to put weight on children who were suffering aenima(sp?)
So you still are wrong about all it takes to be on the Mr O stage is ramping doses 2,3,4,5,6 grams etc
i never claimed anybody could be on the olympia stage. dont you remember my point on this , how i said i only think anybody can achieve pro SIZE, but not everybody could achieve pro QUALITY ?
i completely agree that only certain individuals can be pro and only a select few can be top pro and maybe one in a million mr. o...
but anybody could achieve that kind of size without enough time money knowledge and willingess to sacrifice health and social life
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i never claimed anybody could be on the olympia stage. dont you remember my point on this , how i said i only think anybody can achieve pro SIZE, but not everybody could achieve pro QUALITY ?
i completely agree that only certain individuals can be pro and only a select few can be top pro and maybe one in a million mr. o...
but anybody could achieve that kind of size without enough time money knowledge and willingess to sacrifice health and social life
This is what you said
how do you know he has good genetics?
he could have went straight to mega doses and slin and in three years time anybody who goes straight to mega doses hard trianing and lots of food will beocme a monster... maybe if you know for a fact phil was only using minima amounts then you can say he has amazing genetics BUT you dont know.. phil could have average genetics...
The monster you were refering to was Phill Heath..
Here is what Hazbin said about your post.
ya, every person that did the same or more drugs as Phil looks as good or better than he does. idiot
Yet again you are mouthing off about somthing you only pretend to know about..just my opinion though :)
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lol.. will whay are you even arguing dude? i never said anybody could look as GOOD as a pro... and you know this.. my point was, and is, anybody could be the SIZE of an average pro.. (not a mass monster pro, but an average pro)..
how big is an average pro.. lets say for 5'10'' at 13 %bf ? probably about 275 ? thats gonna be pretty dang easy for anybody to achieve tif they are training HARD eating BIG, being super consistant and dedictaed, and they know how to use bodybuilding drugs, and they do all of this for two or three years non-stop..
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lol.. will whay are you even arguing dude? i never said anybody could look as GOOD as a pro... and you know this.. my point was, and is, anybody could be the SIZE of an average pro.. (not a mass monster pro, but an average pro)..
how big is an average pro.. lets say for 5'10'' at 13 %bf ? probably about 275 ? thats gonna be pretty dang easy for anybody to achieve tif they are training HARD eating BIG, being super consistant and dedictaed, and they know how to use bodybuilding drugs, and they do all of this for two or three years non-stop..
Would just like to point somthing out to you..
First off you are 18yrs old,you can argue all you want that you are 19 but some "in the know" know you started gear at 17..
Now you absorb information quite well which is to be commended but all these studies you read about certain drugs etc have little or no bearing on what you espouse here because there has never been any long term studies done on bodybuilders let alone national level or even pro.
Majority here know you are FOS and all your information and "advice" you try to give is recycled from someone else..
I think Razor describes you best when he says REAL world experience, which he has very little of. Book smart, YES! Experienced? FUCK NO!
Funny how he told you to STFU as well.
Again , just my POV..but like I have said to you before..sit down,listen and ask questions but stop giving out advice like you think you are a Vet.
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hahah... funny quote from 'razorripped' hahah ;D that guy is so easy to make meltdown.. and hes not dong it for shits and giggles either he truly is MELTING DOWN ;D ;D
oh and well i guess i did try tren extreme prohormone for a month while i was 17.. and that was just a legal steroid.. so ya your right i did try roids at 17..
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oh by the way, where is that quote from ? i never read that one before.... was 'razor' talking about me in a thread i wasnt even present ?/ haha that would be CLASSIC
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it was used in third world countries to put weight on children who were suffering aenima(sp?)
Anavar is actually an approved treatment for low bodyweight in the United States! I'm too lazy to look at the PDR right now so can't remember the precise indication, but basically if you're underweight without any real illness you can get Anavar!
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Leave the fucking Anavar for the chicks. Get you some cheque drops and prednisone :) You'll look like a little Benedikt Magnusson in a matter of days!
Anavar can be very effective at high doses of say 50-80mgs. It will definitely put you in an anabolic state and is great for strength. Whether these two things lead to any muscle growth will depend on your diet and training.
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Anavar is actually an approved treatment for low bodyweight in the United States! I'm too lazy to look at the PDR right now so can't remember the precise indication, but basically if you're underweight without any real illness you can get Anavar!
Anavar is the only anabolic steroid that is approved for people who simply weigh "too little." Kind of interesting. Here's the Oxandrin PDR indication:
INDICATIONS AND USAGE
Oxandrin is indicated as adjunctive therapy to
promote weight gain after weight loss following
extensive surgery, chronic infections, or severe
trauma, and in some patients who without definite
pathophysiologic reasons fail to gain or to maintain normal weight, to offset the protein
catabolism associated with prolonged
administration of corticosteroids, and for the relief
of the bone pain frequently accompanying
osteoporosis (See DOSAGE AND
ADMINISTRATION).
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Anavar is the only anabolic steroid that is approved for people who simply weigh "too little." Kind of interesting. Here's the Oxandrin PDR indication:
That seems to be the clinical diagnosis of wasting.....
Deca is prescribed for that in Aids patients.
DIV
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That seems to be the clinical diagnosis of wasting.....
Deca is prescribed for that in Aids patients.
DIV
No, see the bolded part. "Without definite pathophysiologic reasons" = they are perfectly healthy but weigh too little. Oxandrin is the only steroid approved for this indication. HIV wasting could be included in the part before that - they can get infections etc.
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guys I am confused now :-[
I want to know If I take (20-40)gm per day of Anavar with no other kind of steroids and use my supplemants, how much of lean muscles would I be able to put in a period of 4 weeks..?
I am not planning to take any injectable steroids ever and I am not interseted in mass like I am in condition :)
I am 5"8 and 156 Ibs ripped & shredded.
My dream is to be (175 -180) Ibs extera ripped & shredded.
Thanks a lot guys :)
injectables are actually somewhat safer...and don't think that a cycle of injectable test, for example, will turn u into a mss monster (wish it was that easy)
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No, see the bolded part. "Without definite pathophysiologic reasons" = they are perfectly healthy but weigh too little. Oxandrin is the only steroid approved for this indication. HIV wasting could be included in the part before that - they can get infections etc.
Wouldn't unspecified wasting fall in to that same category?
Seems like semantics to me......
DIV
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Anavar is a mild anabolic........not as strong as Winstrol.
It's more of a complementary anabolic, not something you would run alone.
I see it as candy to run on the side on Sustanon/Tren type cycle.
Other than that, it's useless for me.
DIV
That's cause your bodyfat is too high dude, diet down to <10% then give it a run.
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That's cause your bodyfat is too high dude, diet down to <10% then give it a run.
Why would I do that?
That would hinder strength gains.
Remember, I'm not a bodybuilder, never was.......
I lift bodybuilders. ;D
DIV
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Why would I do that?
That would hinder strength gains.
Remember, I'm not a bodybuilder, never was.......
I lift bodybuilders. ;D
DIV
Obviously you understand anavar is more of a precontest/leaning out drug... you shouldn't be whining about it's lack of effects if you fail to utilize it properly :) only real asset in using it for bulking is the crazy strength increase.
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Obviously you understand anavar is more of a precontest/leaning out drug... you shouldn't be whining about it's lack of effects if you fail to utilize it properly :) only real asset in using it for bulking is the crazy strength increase.
Of course I know it's a cutting anabolic.........
I still don't think it's worth much compared to drugs like Deca or Winstrol.
DIV
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Of course I know it's a cutting anabolic.........
I still don't think it's worth much compared to drugs like Deca or Winstrol.
DIV
When you factor in the sides, then the real beauty of anavar shines, sides from Winstrol are (imo) pretty harsh, sides from deca aren't as harsh as winny sides but more detrimental (ie. depression, deca dick, water bloat) to each their own I suppose, I personally don't like strong compounds I stick with the lighter time proven products like anavar, eq, test, winstrol
and tend to stay away from things like tren, anadrol, dbol, deca, halo, etc.
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When you factor in the sides, then the real beauty of anavar shines, sides from Winstrol are (imo) pretty harsh, sides from deca aren't as harsh as winny sides but more detrimental (ie. depression, deca dick, water bloat) to each their own I suppose, I personally don't like strong compounds I stick with the lighter time proven products like anavar, eq, test, winstrol
and tend to stay away from things like tren, anadrol, dbol, deca, halo, etc.
Young EQ, you're a lightweight.......
Those baby anabolics are mere candy to a veteran like me.
I will be a Tren beast until the day I die. ;D
DIV
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Wouldnt a cycle of anavar only do more harm then good as far as gains? If it shuts one down and has little mass building qualities compared to Test, then in the period one is shut down he would loose all the gains that anavar put on. Am I wrong?
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Wouldnt a cycle of anavar only do more harm then good as far as gains? If it shuts one down and has little mass building qualities compared to Test, then in the period one is shut down he would loose all the gains that anavar put on. Am I wrong?
anavar doesnt really shut you down that hard bro...i have done anavar only cycles and have kept decent gains from them...
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anavar doesnt really shut you down that hard bro...i have done anavar only cycles and have kept decent gains from them...
How much did you gain bro ..?
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Young EQ, you're a lightweight.......
Those baby anabolics are mere candy to a veteran like me.
I will be a Tren beast until the day I die. ;D
DIV
I've been 265 lean, I have a natural base of around 240 at 6"0 I think I'm doing pretty good :) don't need to take toxic garbage like tren and abomb's to put on muscle :)
but hey, that's just me. As far as being a vet, you must be joking I've been in the game a lot longer then you, young'in
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I've been 265 lean, I have a natural base of around 240 at 6"0 I think I'm doing pretty good :) don't need to take toxic garbage like tren and abomb's to put on muscle :)
but hey, that's just me. As far as being a vet, you must be joking I've been in the game a lot longer then you, young'in
Tren is only as toxic as the filters you're using, EQ.
You might have started in the game earlier than I have, but you don't have near the connections I do. ;)
DIV
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I've been 265 lean, I have a natural base of around 240 at 6"0 I think I'm doing pretty good :) don't need to take toxic garbage like tren and abomb's to put on muscle :)
but hey, that's just me. As far as being a vet, you must be joking I've been in the game a lot longer then you, young'in
Tren is king 8)
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How much did you gain bro ..?
i gained about 8 solid pounds from that cycle...but it was quality lean gainss..
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Tren is only as toxic as the filters you're using, EQ.
You might have started in the game earlier than I have, but you don't have near the connections I do. ;)
DIV
It's all good, I've seen your pics, I have 3 times the build you do :) and leaner as well. And to be honest I don't care about connects, most of the gear I use I get from my doctor, prescribed legally..and my vet friend for eq and winny :) I only asked you because I needed to get my hands on some NPP.
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It's all good, I've seen your pics, I have 3 times the build you do :) and leaner as well.
My pics in street clothes?
That doesn't say much, does it?
I think I'll take my strength over your "leanness".
The same way I'll take my Sustanon/Tren/Halo over your EQ.
No offense...... ;D
DIV
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My pics in street clothes?
That doesn't say much, does it?
I think I'll take my strength over your "leanness".
The same way I'll take my Sustanon/Tren/Halo over your EQ.
No offense...... ;D
DIV
Nah, the one where you're at the beach @ 30% bf ;)
it's all good dude, to each their own.
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Nah, the one where you're at the beach @ 30% bf ;)
it's all good dude, to each their own.
You're talking to someone who lifts for strength about "leanness"......
Get a grip.......
Like arguing about EQ over Winstrol or Tren.
Come one now. ;D
DIV
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i gained about 8 solid pounds from that cycle...but it was quality lean gainss..
Wow that sounds awesome man. :D
Well, what where the dosages and the time for them please..? ;)
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6 week cycle...40mg of human grade anavar...