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About time someone looked into this stuff.
Utah attorney general: BCS may violate antitrust laws
Bob Rosato/SI
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Utah's attorney general is investigating the Bowl Championship Series for a possible violation of federal antitrust laws after an undefeated Utes team was left out of the national title game for the second time in five years.
Attorney General Mark Shurtleff contends the BCS unfairly puts schools like Utah, which is a member of a conference without an automatic bid to the lucrative bowl games, at a competitive and financial disadvantage.
Shurtleff said Tuesday that his office is still in the initial stages of reviewing the Sherman Antitrust Act to see if a lawsuit can be filed. To succeed in a lawsuit, Shurtleff would have to prove a conspiracy exists that creates a monopoly.
A message left with BCS administrator Bill Hancock was not immediately returned.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/01/06/utah.lawsuit.ap/index.html
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they need to keep at it. The BCS needed to go a long time ago.
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Way to go Utes..You just fucked yourself out of any future bowl considerations
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They badly need a playoff. I'm pretty sick and tired of watching the Big 10's resident douche bag team limp into the BCS every year only to lose while teams like Boise State, TCU (who are both better than OSU) get screwed.
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Yeah, the bowl games...aside from the Sugar Bowl and Fiesta Bowl have been jokes. Hopefully the National Championship is not a blow out.
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Yeah, the bowl games...aside from the Sugar Bowl and Fiesta Bowl have been jokes. Hopefully the National Championship is not a blow out.
Fiesta bowl was a joke to. It goes to show that Texas was not as good as they were proclaimed to be.. After beating OSU they had the nerve to say that they were the best team in the nation...
Hey Texas OSU sucks DICK!
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BCS coordinator: System in compliance
Updated: January 8, 2009, 12:36 PM ET
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- The BCS coordinator said Thursday major college football's leaders feel the postseason system is in compliance with federal antitrust laws.
Speaking to reporters, Atlantic Coast Conference commissioner John Swofford did not specifically address the Utah attorney general's threat of an antitrust lawsuit against the Bowl Championship Series.
But he says the BCS has carefully considered the legality of its format.
Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff earlier this week said he's investigating the BCS for a possible antitrust violation.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls08/news/story?id=3818921
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Way to go Utes..You just fucked yourself out of any future bowl considerations
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you're probably right !
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BCS coordinator: System in compliance
Updated: January 8, 2009, 12:36 PM ET
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- The BCS coordinator said Thursday major college football's leaders feel the postseason system is in compliance with federal antitrust laws.
Speaking to reporters, Atlantic Coast Conference commissioner John Swofford did not specifically address the Utah attorney general's threat of an antitrust lawsuit against the Bowl Championship Series.
But he says the BCS has carefully considered the legality of its format.
Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff earlier this week said he's investigating the BCS for a possible antitrust violation.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls08/news/story?id=3818921
The ACC has completely lost its soul, which happened when they brought in BC, VaTech, and Thug U.
So, of course Swofford wants to protect the ACC's 'automatic slot', which they're only getting because of being THE dominant conference in basketball.
The ACC has a crappy brand of football...because it's NOT A FOOTBALL CONFERENCE. And the basketball has suffered as a result, too.
I understand that, in life, things change. But that's flat-out fucking bullshit on more levels than you guys can even know.
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Fiesta bowl was a joke to. It goes to show that Texas was not as good as they were proclaimed to be.. After beating OSU they had the nerve to say that they were the best team in the nation...
Hey Texas OSU sucks DICK!
I was not at all happy with the way the guys went out and laid that egg the other night.
Sure, it was a dramatic finish ::), but they *should've* blown Ohio State off the field and I dare say, if Wells had not gotten injured, it might've been an entirely different story. I'm the first to admit 'we got lucky'.
Even if there was a mythical plus-1 game, Texas would not have earned the right to play in it based on their performance the other night.
I think the world would want to see Florida-Utah, but the BCS would make it Florida-USC.
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The ACC has completely lost its soul, which happened when they brought in BC, VaTech, and Thug U.
So, of course Swofford wants to protect the ACC's 'automatic slot', which they're only getting because of being THE dominant conference in basketball.
The ACC has a crappy brand of football...because it's NOT A FOOTBALL CONFERENCE. And the basketball has suffered as a result, too.
I understand that, in life, things change. But that's flat-out fucking bullshit on more levels than you guys can even know.
BC was a top 10 program in the country last year. They had a ranked defense this year. Consdinering their academic standards, the fact that they can be competitive as they are is a miracle. Miami was a powerhouse, and pumps out all pros like its nothing. The coaching is the problem at Miami, and BC lost their QB. BC always puts a good product on the field.
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About time someone looked into this stuff.
Utah attorney general: BCS may violate antitrust laws
Bob Rosato/SI
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Utah's attorney general is investigating the Bowl Championship Series for a possible violation of federal antitrust laws after an undefeated Utes team was left out of the national title game for the second time in five years.
Attorney General Mark Shurtleff contends the BCS unfairly puts schools like Utah, which is a member of a conference without an automatic bid to the lucrative bowl games, at a competitive and financial disadvantage.
Shurtleff said Tuesday that his office is still in the initial stages of reviewing the Sherman Antitrust Act to see if a lawsuit can be filed. To succeed in a lawsuit, Shurtleff would have to prove a conspiracy exists that creates a monopoly.
A message left with BCS administrator Bill Hancock was not immediately returned.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/01/06/utah.lawsuit.ap/index.html
Even though I'm not a fan of the BCS, this whole "investigation" is just a grandstanding politician trolling for future votes ("Remember, I'm the man who stood up against the BCS for you people!!")
Even if a playoff would be "more fair," it just isn't going to happen. The bowls have been around too long, and have paid too much, to let themselves be relegated to a subordinate status (like some people trying to propose that "the bowls could be part of the playoffs"). Some say the bowls are not a good way to determine a National Champion. That's true, but the bowls were conceived to make money, nothing else. All these schools and conferences, for decades, gladly took the money. Sure, some got more than others, but that's life.
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There needs to be a playoff, plain and simple. You can still have your money making bowl games for the teams on the outside looking in.
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There needs to be a playoff, plain and simple. You can still have your money making bowl games for the teams on the outside looking in.
I know what you're saying, but the big bowls (Orange, Rose, etc.) are not going to relinquish their conference-champion tie-ins in favor of 2nd or 3rd place teams for the sake of a playoff to happen.
A playoff may be "needed" but it won't happen.
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I'm a cynic too. The only way it will happen is if the courts get involved. I'm talking about a true playoff system that includes, at a mininum, all conference winners.
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I'm a cynic too. The only way it will happen is if the courts get involved. I'm talking about a true playoff system that includes, at a mininum, all conference winners.
BADA BING..Oh yeah . thats all im saying Every Conference champ. From Pac 10 to the colonial leauge...every conference champ and then, only the strong Survive
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BADA BING..Oh yeah . thats all im saying Every Conference champ. From Pac 10 to the colonial leauge...every conference champ and then, only the strong Survive
Thank you. I debated this for two days with someone who all but called me a fool for even suggesting it. :)
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Thank you. I debated this for two days with someone who all but called me a fool for even suggesting it. :)
how...they do it in basketball. Its Dumb NOT to do it. Shit if the Pac 10, Big 10, Acc, Sec, Big 12, big east only get to go...The Mountian West will say "well shit we just donkey stomped the 2nd best team in the sec.. so we deserve to be there" Some teams from the WAC could compete against anyone in the Big 10. What about South Florida...They would give some major conference teams some problems. Instead of having your National Champ Placed...let them earn it
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how...they do it in basketball. Its Dumb NOT to do it. Shit if the Pac 10, Big 10, Acc, Sec, Big 12, big east only get to go...The Mountian West will say "well shit we just donkey stomped the 2nd best team in the sec.. so we deserve to be there" Some teams from the WAC could compete against anyone in the Big 10. What about South Florida...They would give some major conference teams some problems. Instead of having your National Champ Placed...let them earn it
You're preaching to the choir. I completely agree.
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how...they do it in basketball. Its Dumb NOT to do it. Shit if the Pac 10, Big 10, Acc, Sec, Big 12, big east only get to go...The Mountian West will say "well shit we just donkey stomped the 2nd best team in the sec.. so we deserve to be there" Some teams from the WAC could compete against anyone in the Big 10. What about South Florida...They would give some major conference teams some problems. Instead of having your National Champ Placed...let them earn it
Go Mountain West!
"Donkey Stomped" .... Good stuff Mal....
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Congressmen set to amp up BCS reform effort
by FOXSports.com
Before the close of Friday's session, three U.S. Congressmen will cross-sponsor each other's attempts to bring change to college football's controversial postseason selection system.
Congressmen Gary Miller (R-California), Joe Barton (R-Texas), and Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii) will call for a set of combined hearings in an effort to enact a playoff in college football.
"Every one of the 120 FBS (Football Bowl Subdivision) schools should have the ability to compete on the gridiron and earn a position in the national championship game," BCSReform.org — a Web site devoted to ending the current BCS system — said in a statement, "regardless of how large or small the school is or from which conference the eventual teams are from. If a playoff format determines that two teams from the same conference should compete for the national title, they should have the ability to do so. BCSReform.org supports all legislative efforts that are aimed towards finally bringing about college football playoffs."
Congressman Miller's bill (H.R. 599) calls for and end to federal funding to FBS schools that do not participate in a playoff system and says it is the responsibility of the schools to develop and implement the playoffs.
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/9214016/Congressmen-set-to-amp-up-BCS-reform-effort
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Congressmen set to amp up BCS reform effort
by FOXSports.com
Before the close of Friday's session, three U.S. Congressmen will cross-sponsor each other's attempts to bring change to college football's controversial postseason selection system.
Congressmen Gary Miller (R-California), Joe Barton (R-Texas), and Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii) will call for a set of combined hearings in an effort to enact a playoff in college football.
"Every one of the 120 FBS (Football Bowl Subdivision) schools should have the ability to compete on the gridiron and earn a position in the national championship game," BCSReform.org — a Web site devoted to ending the current BCS system — said in a statement, "regardless of how large or small the school is or from which conference the eventual teams are from. If a playoff format determines that two teams from the same conference should compete for the national title, they should have the ability to do so. BCSReform.org supports all legislative efforts that are aimed towards finally bringing about college football playoffs."
Congressman Miller's bill (H.R. 599) calls for and end to federal funding to FBS schools that do not participate in a playoff system and says it is the responsibility of the schools to develop and implement the playoffs.
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/9214016/Congressmen-set-to-amp-up-BCS-reform-effort
I understand that people want a Div IA playoff, but it isn't going to happen. More grandstanding politicians just trying to get their names in the paper. Pathetic.
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Fuck fairness. I like the BCS. It keeps the regular season interesting week in and week out. If you implemented a playoff system, you'd simply have a case of "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer."
It's all about the schools getting money, even from the more obscure Bowl games. Schools like SMU, Tulane, and the such reap big benefits when playing in things like the Car Care Bowl.
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I understand that people want a Div IA playoff, but it isn't going to happen. More grandstanding politicians just trying to get their names in the paper. Pathetic.
Not necessarily grandstanding. They're putting heat on that farce of a system. It may force them to do the right thing without any intervention.
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Fuck fairness. I like the BCS. It keeps the regular season interesting week in and week out. If you implemented a playoff system, you'd simply have a case of "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer."
It's all about the schools getting money, even from the more obscure Bowl games. Schools like SMU, Tulane, and the such reap big benefits when playing in things like the Car Care Bowl.
Thats where i stop reading
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Thats where i stop reading
The world isn't fair. I was taught that at an early age. I'm glad I was too.
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Not necessarily grandstanding. They're putting heat on that farce of a system. It may force them to do the right thing without any intervention.
"Putting the heat" ... "force them to do the right thing" ... what a bunch of bullshit. Nothing will happen. Twenty years from now, same people will be bitching about no playoff.
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"Putting the heat" ... "force them to do the right thing" ... what a bunch of bullshit. Nothing will happen. Twenty years from now, same people will be bitching about no playoff.
You're probably right. I doubt they ever do the right thing, but I love the fact people are bringing the heat. Amazing what some organizations can get away with.
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Hawaii attorney general may join BCS lawsuit
By Kelly Whiteside, USA TODAY
Though the attorney general in Hawaii recently had his hands full with "birthers" demanding President Obama's birth certificate, he now might be involved in another hot-button issue -- the Bowl Championship Series.
Hawaii attorney general David M. Louie may join Utah attorney general Mark Shurtleff, who plans to file suit against the BCS, spokesman Joshua Wisch confirmed Tuesday.
"We're still taking a look," said Wisch of the Hawaii attorney general's office, adding there was no timetable for the decision.
The Honolulu Star-Advertiser first reported the story. Shurtleff told the newspaper he spoke "at length" with Louie at a national attorneys general meeting in March, adding, "(Louie) was very interested."
"We've heard from his staff and we're working on an agreement to be able to share information with them confidentially," Shurtleff said. "I'm hopeful many states will join us and I'd love to have Hawaii join us."
Shurtleff contends the BCS is an illegal monopoly that violates antitrust regulations since it deprives schools in conferences without an automatic BCS bids, such as the University of Hawaii, equal access.
BCS officials say the antitrust concerns are groundless.
"Those of us responsible for the BCS have thoroughly reviewed the principles underlying our format and are confident that our approach is competitive and legal," Penn State President Graham Spanier who heads the BCS presidential oversight committee, recently told USA TODAY.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/05/hawaii-attorney-general-bcs-lawsuit/1
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Seriously, the Government has ZERO business messing with sports. From MLB to college football, it is not their house to clean. Here is an easy idea for a playoff that would satisfy most and keep the bowls intact. Take the 4 BCS bowls(Rose, Sugar, Fiesta and Orange) add 2 more big bowls, Cotton and maybe Capital One and make that your playoff. The top 8 teams are invited, they play in a quarterfinal and semi final in the bowls listed and the BCS Championship game is the final one. This would actually pay out more, as the final champion would get paid 3 times via 3 games instead of the one. And you keep all other bowl games as is, that way teams who dont make the elite 8 at least can win something and get a pay day. Doing what basketball does with the huge playoff would never work in football, too much travel and too many games. This is nice and condensed and gets to a champion within 3 weeks or so.
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Seriously, the Government has ZERO business messing with sports. From MLB to college football, it is not their house to clean. Here is an easy idea for a playoff that would satisfy most and keep the bowls intact. Take the 4 BCS bowls(Rose, Sugar, Fiesta and Orange) add 2 more big bowls, Cotton and maybe Capital One and make that your playoff. The top 8 teams are invited, they play in a quarterfinal and semi final in the bowls listed and the BCS Championship game is the final one. This would actually pay out more, as the final champion would get paid 3 times via 3 games instead of the one. And you keep all other bowl games as is, that way teams who dont make the elite 8 at least can win something and get a pay day. Doing what basketball does with the huge playoff would never work in football, too much travel and too many games. This is nice and condensed and gets to a champion within 3 weeks or so.
Would not satisfy me at all. I think all conference winners should compete, like they do in every other team sport at every other level. Division IAA, Division II, Division III, and NAIA football all get by just fine with playoffs. Division I can do the same thing. The champion shouldn't be determined by some computer system, reserved for a handful of schools in the country.
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Would not satisfy me at all. I think all conference winners should compete, like they do in every other team sport at every other level. Division IAA, Division II, Division III, and NAIA football all get by just fine with playoffs. Division I can do the same thing. The champion shouldn't be determined by some computer system, reserved for a handful of schools in the country.
qft
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Would not satisfy me at all. I think all conference winners should compete, like they do in every other team sport at every other level. Division IAA, Division II, Division III, and NAIA football all get by just fine with playoffs. Division I can do the same thing. The champion shouldn't be determined by some computer system, reserved for a handful of schools in the country.
Thats fine, but you would still have to have a cap. Division II playoffs stop at 20 teams I believe, Division I would have to be similar. Simply for logistical reasons and the sheer length of the schedule, you would have to be reasonable with the amount of teams invited. Inviting conference champions only would be a good idea. I really don't see it happening though, way to much tradition and old farts running the show.
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Thats fine, but you would still have to have a cap. Division II playoffs stop at 20 teams I believe, Division I would have to be similar. Simply for logistical reasons and the sheer length of the schedule, you would have to be reasonable with the amount of teams invited. Inviting conference champions only would be a good idea. I really don't see it happening though, way to much tradition and old farts running the show.
It could work the same way in D1. I think there are about 16 conferences? We could add about 4 at large teams, cut the regular season schedule by a couple games so teams only play 10 or 11. Playoffs are played in the current bowl structure, with the championship being hosted by one of the major sponsors (Rose, Fiesta, etc.). Done.
I've always said that I could sit in a room with a few of my friends and we could come up with a playoff system in less than 1 hour that would work.
I don't see it happening either, unless the courts break this thing up.
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It could work the same way in D1. I think there are about 16 conferences? We could add about 4 at large teams, cut the regular season schedule by a couple games so teams only play 10 or 11. Playoffs are played in the current bowl structure, with the championship being hosted by one of the major sponsors (Rose, Fiesta, etc.). Done.
I've always said that I could sit in a room with a few of my friends and we could come up with a playoff system in less than 1 hour that would work.
I don't see it happening either, unless the courts break this thing up.
I'd love a playoff, I just don't want the Feds to make that happen. I think the CFB Presidents and allumni would have to push for it. Congress screws everything else up, I don't want their hands on college football, no matter how good there intentions.
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I'd love a playoff, I just don't want the Feds to make that happen. I think the CFB Presidents and allumni would have to push for it. Congress screws everything else up, I don't want their hands on college football, no matter how good there intentions.
I agree if we're talking about government control.
All that needs to happen is the courts need to say the current structure is illegal. I think that would force schools to come up with a playoff system.
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How the heck does Boise get left out of the "BCS"? And why is this farce of a system still alive? ::)
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I am a huge Va Tech and UNC fan...and even I think that it is total b.s. that the Hokies are in the Sugar Bowl after the lubeless ass raping they took from Clemson. (Michigan doesn't belong either).
The crap has even filtered down to the second tier... 2 6-6 teams in the Gator Bowl??? WTF?????
And UCLA at 6-7 should not be in a bowl, even if they are the "Pac-12 South Division Champions" (oh, brother ::) )
The Gator Bowl used to be the top "second tier" bowl...just under the Big 4 at the time (Rose, Sugar, Orange, COTTON not Fiesta)...and well over the Sun.
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Mark Shurtleff: Boise State snub helps BCS antitrust lawsuit
BY ROBERT GEHRKE
The Salt Lake Tribune
First published Jan 01 2012 07:06PM
Updated Jan 1, 2012 11:59PM
Attorney General Mark Shurtleff says he expects to sue the Bowl Championship Series by next month and that the snub of Boise State in this season’s bowl games gives additional fodder to the impending lawsuit.
“I think we got some really good, new facts this season to support our case,” Shurtleff told The Tribune in a recent interview. “The big example again is Boise State. They had one loss and finished in the Top 10, and yet they don’t get a [BCS] bowl game.”
Instead of Boise State, the Discover Orange Bowl selected West Virginia and Clemson, each with three losses. The Allstate Sugar Bowl took Michigan and Virginia Tech, both of which were ranked below Boise State.
The Broncos were relegated to the Maaco Bowl, where they dominated Arizona State and earned $1.1 million. If they had made the BCS, Boise State’s conference would have shared $26.4 million.
But Bill Hancock, executive director of the Bowl Championship Series, defends the system and says it has opened up access for small-conference teams to the premier bowl games.
The National Championship game is designed to pair the top two teams in the country. After that, the bowls can pick the teams they desire.
“The Sugar Bowl is an independent organization. It owns the game, presents the game, and arranges for the opportunities for student-athletes, coaches, and fans to enjoy as part of the bowl experience,” he said in an email. “It makes no sense that, having created the event, the Sugar Bowl should not be able to select those teams that it wishes to invite to its game.”
Under the BCS structure, six conferences — the traditional football powerhouses — have automatic qualifying spots. Hancock said before the BCS, teams from outside those top conferences have cracked into one of the elite bowl games only five times in 54 years.
Since the BCS was created, seven teams have played in those games in eight years.
“Think about that,” he said. “Five times in 54 years versus seven times in eight years.”
That argument may pose the biggest challenge to any lawsuit that Shurtleff ends up filing, according to Michael McCann, director of the Sports Law Institute at the Vermont Law School.
“Before there was a BCS, there was no playoff system, so it’s not clear there would be one after,” he said. “That helps it in court, because they can argue that, on balance, it promotes competition because it provides a system that didn’t exist before.”
The court may be reluctant to determine there is a legal right to a college football playoff and decide that it is unwilling or unable to undo any harm done by the system.
“There are clearly overtly anti-competitive qualities to the BCS,” McCann said. “But I think, on balance, at this point going into the litigation, I think the BCS would be favored.”
For nearly three years — ever since an undefeated University of Utah was denied a shot at the national title, trouncing Alabama in the Sugar Bowl instead — Shurtleff has been threatening to sue the BCS for colluding to deprive schools from smaller conferences a shot at elite bowl games. (Utah joined the Pac-12 last year, which is a BCS automatic-qualifying conference.)
In August, the state issued a “Request For Information,” soliciting input and statements of interest from law firms that might be interested in representing the state in the litigation. Twenty-four responded to the request, including some of the most prestigious law firms in the country.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home2/53206839-183/bcs-bowl-shurtleff-state.html.csp