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I knew I could count on you ;D
alot of the mocks have a good lb falling all the way to us,Cushing or Lauranaitis.
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I knew I could count on you ;D
alot of the mocks have a good lb falling all the way to us,Cushing or Lauranaitis.
Check out Mayocs top 5 prospects at each position. Mayoc is legit. The bolded players are players I would like to see the pats getting. They have a slew of pics and this is a deep draft.
*Matthew Stafford Georgia
2 *Mark Sanchez Southern California
3 *Josh Freeman Kansas State
4 Nate Davis Ball State
5 Rhett Bomar Sam Houston State
Running backs
1 *Chris Wells Ohio State
2 *Knowshon Moreno Georgia
3 *LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh
4 *Donald Brown Connecticut
5 *Shonn Green Iowa
Fullback
1 Tony Fiammetta Syracuase
2 Quinn Johnson LSU
3 Brannan Southerland Georgia
Wide receivers
1 *Michael Crabtree Texas Tech
2 *Jeremy Maclin Missouri
3 *Darrius Heyward-Bey Maryland
4 *Kenny Britt Rutgers
5 *Percy Harvin Florida
Tight ends
1 Brandon Pettigrew Oklahoma State
2 Cornelius Ingram Florida
3 *James Casey Rice
4 Travis Beckum Wisconsin
5 Chase Coffman Missouri
Centers
1 Eric Wood Louisville
2 Max Unger Oregon
3 Alex Mack California
4 A.Q. Shipley Penn State
5 Jonathan Luigs Arkansas
Guards
1 Andy Levitre Oregon State
2 Duke Robinson Oklahoma
3 Kraig Urbik Wisconsin
4 Herman Johnson LSU
5 Roger Allen Missouri Western State
Offensive tackles
1 Jason Smith Baylor
2 Eugene Monroe Virginia
3 *Andre Smith Alabama
4 Michael Oher Mississippi
5 *Eben Britton Arizona
Defensive ends
Rk Player School
1 Brian Orakpo (can play OLB in 3-4) Texas
2 *Everette Brown (OLB) Florida State
3 Tyson Jackson LSU
4 *Aaron Maybin (OLB) Penn State
5 Larry English (OLB) Northern Illinois
Defensive tackles
1 B.J. Raji Boston College
2 Peria Jerry Mississippi
3 Ron Brace Boston College
4 Fili Moala Southern California
5 Evander 'Ziggy' Hood Missouri
Inside linebackers
1 Rey Maualuga Southern California
2 James Laurinaitis Ohio State
3 Darry Beckwith LSU
4 Dannell Ellerbe Georgia
5 Jason Phillips Texas Christian
Outside linebackers
1 Aaron Curry Wake Forest
2 Brian Cushing Southern California
3 Clint Sintim Virginia
4 Clay Matthews Southern California
5 Marcus Freeman Ohio State
Safeties
1 Rashad Johnson Alabama
2 William Moore Missouri
3 Louis Delmas Western Michigan
4 Patrick Chung Oregon
5 Michael Hamlin Clemson
Cornerbacks
1 Malcolm Jenkins Ohio State
2 *Vontae Davis Illinois
3 Alphonso Smith Wake Forest
4 *D.J. Moore Vanderbilt
5 *Sean Smith Utah
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Uconn has come a long way.they might have a RB,DB,and a O-lineman go in the first three rounds.
Supposedly Britt has the Giants attention as a Plaxico replacement.
B.J. Raji was called the most dominant d-player at the senior bowl practices.
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I've listened to Mayoc and he does not impress me.
Haven't started looking at mocks, but have been paying attention to the Senior Bowl.
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no i'm looking forward to the super bowl 8)
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I've listened to Mayoc and he does not impress me.
Haven't started looking at mocks, but have been paying attention to the Senior Bowl.
Mayoc is always the most informed and educated draftnick year after year. He made a lot of great picks last year, but as a whole, it's almost impossible to be accurate with picks; he is dead on with his top five year after year.
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Mayoc is always the most informed and educated draftnick year after year. He made a lot of great picks last year, but as a whole, it's almost impossible to be accurate with picks; he is dead on with his top five year after year.
He is informed and educated on the players he chooses to follow. He was interviewed by one of our local reporters last year and was absolutely clueless when asked about players who were outside of his small world.
I didn't follow his mocks, so I don't have an opinion on his predictions.
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He is informed and educated on the players he chooses to follow. He was interviewed by one of our local reporters last year and was absolutely clueless when asked about players who were outside of his small world.
I didn't follow his mocks, so I don't have an opinion on his predictions.
Mayoc spent time on Hawaii last year. Also, no Hawaii players where top talent last year. As I said Brennen went way later than the first round, and most of their skill players fizzle in the NFL. The kid who plays for Miami is decent, but def not a top wr. Colt may be good one day....only time will tell.
Mayoc does a great job, imo. There are several players on that list from "small" schools. Hawaii players dont get much love because they play in the WAC.
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Mayoc spent time on Hawaii last year. Also, no Hawaii players where top talent last year. As I said Brennen went way later than the first round, and most of their skill players fizzle in the NFL. The kid who plays for Miami is decent, but def not a top wr. Colt may be good one day....only time will tell.
Mayoc does a great job, imo. There are several players on that list from "small" schools. Hawaii players dont get much love because they play in the WAC.
He did not spend time on Hawaii last year. Where are you getting that from? Maybe he educated himself after I heard him speak, but the guy had no clue when I listened to him.
I don't think you know much about Hawaii players and what they do/have done in the NFL, but I'm more than happy to share info. :D
You dissing Davone Bess? lol. Are you kidding? He started as an undrafted rookie FA. You should read up on him. Absolute steal. Had a second round grade and went undrafted. I have to assume you've never watched him play. He's going to have a long NFL career.
I doubt Mayoc pegged any of the many Hawaii players who are playing in the pros. I bet if you asked him about David Veikune today he'd either give an uninformed opinion or a blank stare. Same with Ryan Mouton. About the only player he probably read a line or two about is Jake Ingram. ::)
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He did not spend time on Hawaii last year. Where are you getting that from? Maybe he educated himself after I heard him speak, but the guy had no clue when I listened to him.
He was right on the money on virtually all of his critiques of players. I watched the whole combine and he was awesome!
http://I don't think you know much about Hawaii players and what they do/have done in the NFL, but I'm more than happy to share info. :D
I do. I told you Brennen would not sniff the first round last year, and he didn't. I think you had him going in the first.
You dissing Davone Bess? lol. Are you kidding? He started as an undrafted rookie FA. You should read up on him. Absolute steal. Had a second round grade and went undrafted. I have to assume you've never watched him play. He's going to have a long NFL career.
Wes Welker was a UDFA who has just had his second 1000+ yard season (in the slot) and was just named to the probowl. Thats a steal, there are plenty of guys like Bess around the NFL. A good not great wr who will have a long career on many teams. Since Miami is in the AFC east I might have seen a thing or two. He's not special, he's good, just like many other players.
Where did you get the draft grade for Bess?
I doubt Mayoc pegged any of the many Hawaii players who are playing in the pros. I bet if you asked him about David Veikune today he'd either give an uninformed opinion or a blank stare. Same with Ryan Mouton. About the only player he probably read a line or two about is Jake Ingram. ::)
Mayoc talked about Hawaii players a lot last year, but there was not much to talk about. No one thought Brennen would go in round 1. Terrible senior bowl. Mayoc has done an amazing job for many years and he is extremely accurate. Hawaii does not produce even close to the amount of good pros as most every other major college program, so why would he spend a ton of time talking about Hawaii players (who play in an inferior devision), when there are hundreds of players who play in top flight divisions?
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He was right on the money on virtually all of his critiques of players. I watched the whole combine and he was awesome!
I do. I told you Brennen would not sniff the first round last year, and he didn't. I think you had him going in the first.
Wes Welker was a UDFA who has just had his second 1000+ yard season (in the slot) and was just named to the probowl. Thats a steal, there are plenty of guys like Bess around the NFL. A good not great wr who will have a long career. Since Miami is in the AFC east I might have seen a thing or two. He's not special, he's good, just like many other players.
Mayoc talked about Hawaii players a lot last year, but there was not much to talk about. No one thought Brennen would go in round 1. Terrible senior bowl. Mayoc has done an amazing job for many years and he is extremely accurate. Hawaii does not produce even close to the amount of good pros as most every other major college program, so why would he spend a ton of time talking about Hawaii players (who play in an inferior devision), when there are hundreds of players who play in top flight divisions?
Which Hawaii players did he discuss last year and when? I actually listened to him talk about Hawaii players. Did you? Doesn't sound like it
I did not have Brennan going in the first round. He was a first round talent, but I did not think he would be drafted in the first round. (He would have had he come out in 2007.) But what does that have to do with Mayoc not having a clue?
You couldn't be more wrong about Bess. You really are like any number of people have a set opinion about players based on whatever conference they play in, but don't actually watch them play. Pretty hard to judge a player's talent without actually watching them, don't you think? For you to call Bess nothing special just proves (1) you haven't watched him play and (2) you have that "big conference" bias.
Who cares if Brennon had a terrible Senior Bowl? Plenty of players have bad games. What did he throw, about ten passes or less in that game? Big deal. Ryan sucked in a number of games, but that didn't diminish his talent, potential, etc. (I was actually wrong about him. Thought he was overrated.)
You really don't know much about the UH program. We obviously don't put as many players in the pros as USC, but over the past 10 years UH has done an outstanding job. For example, did you know Samson Satele has been the Dolphins starting center since his rookie season? Did you know FB Reagan Mauia started for the Dolphins as a rookie (has since been cut)? Did you know DE Travis LaBoy, the WAC defensive player of the year a few years ago, starts for the Cardinals? Did you know about Isaac Sopoaga, Pisa Tinoisamoa, Vince Manuwai, Jeff Ulbrich, etc., etc.? (I think the answers are probably "no.").
Is that the total of Hawaii players starting in the NFL over ten years? Times that by 10 and you have the average from most major football programs.
Here is something you'll never get from Mayoc (about DE David Veikune):
David Veikune/DE/Hawaii: Veikune has worked hard the past two days and improved his game. The former Warrior was tenacious in run defense and also flew off the edge as a pass rusher. Several of his battles against top-rated left tackle Michael Oher ended up in his favor. In one instance he had the potential first-round pick twisted like a pretzel as Oher failed to protect the quarterback from Veikune's speed.http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/01/20/senior.bowl.day2/index.html
Hawaii DE prospect David Veikune may not get the publicity some of the other defensive linemen here receive, but during one-on-one drills today he was downright dominant. He possesses a much better first step than scouts give him credit for, with the body control and athleticism to side-step blocks and counter inside. He abused Florida tackle Jason Watkins on two separate occasions. He has a type of blue-collar feel to him and showcases the ability to not only dip his shoulder around the edge but get his hands inside and bull-rush the tackle into the QB’s lap.
I can pretty much tell you which players from UH will play in the pros every year. I was right about most of them last year. And I'll tell you right now who will get drafted and who is on the bubble
DE David Veikune: drafted on day 1 or early on day 2.
DB Ryan Mouton: drafted on day 2, or day 1 if he runs a fast 40 at the combine.
LS Jake Ingram: drafted on day 2. Considered the best long snapper in the country.
LB Solomon Elimimian: bubble. If he gets a late combine invite, he could slip into the bottom half of the draft. Otherwise, he's a FA
LB Adam Leonard: FA. Will get into camp and have a good shot to make an NFL team.
DT Josh Leonard: FA. Will get into camp and could make an NFL roster.
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Which Hawaii players did he discuss last year and when? I actually listened to him talk about Hawaii players. Did you? Doesn't sound like it
He talked about Brennen and how he was not a first round talent. Did you watch every second of the NFL combine on the NFLN....if you didn't I bet you missed a thing or two.
You couldn't be more wrong about Bess. You really are like any number of people have a set opinion about players based on whatever conference they play in, but don't actually watch them play. Pretty hard to judge a player's talent without actually watching them, don't you think? For you to call Bess nothing special just proves (1) you haven't watched him play and (2) you have that "big conference" bias.
Bess plays in the AFC east. The Patriots play in the AFC east. I bet I watch Bess more than you. He's good but not special. Again, Special is Wes Welker...Special is Roddy White....Randy Moss....Special is Reggie Wayne. Bess is not special, he's average. Frankly, I think the slot guy on the Bills is better.
Who cares if Brennon had a terrible Senior Bowl? Plenty of players have bad games. What did he throw, about ten passes or less in that game? Big deal. Ryan sucked in a number of games, but that didn't diminish his talent, potential, etc. (I was actually wrong about him. Thought he was overrated.)
Ryan is on a differnt level than Brennen. Why do you think Brennen is so good? Played in he Wac, had a terrible senior bowl, and a poor combine.
You really don't know much about the UH program. We obviously don't put as many players in the pros as USC, but over the past 10 years UH has done an outstanding job. For example, did you know Samson Satele has been the Dolphins starting center since his rookie season? Did you know FB Reagan Mauia started for the Dolphins as a rookie (has since been cut)? Did you know DE Travis LaBoy, the WAC defensive player of the year a few years ago, starts for the Cardinals? Did you know about Isaac Sopoaga, Pisa Tinoisamoa, Vince Manuwai, Jeff Ulbrich, etc., etc.? (I think the answers are probably "no.").
How many players over the last ten years. Lets compare to other programs.
David Veikune/DE/Hawaii: Veikune has worked hard the past two days and improved his game. The former Warrior was tenacious in run defense and also flew off the edge as a pass rusher. Several of his battles against top-rated left tackle Michael Oher ended up in his favor. In one instance he had the potential first-round pick twisted like a pretzel as Oher failed to protect the quarterback from Veikune's speed.http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/01/20/senior.bowl.day2/index.html
Hawaii DE prospect David Veikune may not get the publicity some of the other defensive linemen here receive, but during one-on-one drills today he was downright dominant. He possesses a much better first step than scouts give him credit for, with the body control and athleticism to side-step blocks and counter inside. He abused Florida tackle Jason Watkins on two separate occasions. He has a type of blue-collar feel to him and showcases the ability to not only dip his shoulder around the edge but get his hands inside and bull-rush the tackle into the QB’s lap.
Lets compare this guy to Mayoc. Mayoc has a better track record.
DE David Veikune: drafted on day 1 or early on day 2.
DB Ryan Mouton: drafted on day 2, or day 1 if he runs a fast 40 at the combine.
LS Jake Ingram: drafted on day 2. Considered the best long snapper in the country.
LB Solomon Elimimian: bubble. If he gets a late combine invite, he could slip into the bottom half of the draft. Otherwise, he's a FA
LB Adam Leonard: FA. Will get into camp and have a good shot to make an NFL team.
DT Josh Leonard: FA. Will get into camp and could make an NFL roster.
Thats not impressive,imo. Looks like a bunch of late round pics.
Btw, you did Say Brennen would go in the first round.
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i'm a draft/combine nerd. But i hold off until it actually draws near.
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He talked about Brennen and how he was not a first round talent. Did you watch every second of the NFL combine on the NFLN....if you didn't I bet you missed a thing or two.
Bess plays in the AFC east. The Patriots play in the AFC east. I bet I watch Bess more than you. He's good but not special. Again, Special is Wes Welker...Special is Roddy White....Randy Moss....Special is Reggie Wayne. Bess is not special, he's average. Frankly, I think the slot guy on the Bills is better.
Ryan is on a differnt level than Brennen. Why do you think Brennen is so good? Played in he Wac, had a terrible senior bowl, and a poor combine.
How many players over the last ten years. Lets compare to other programs.
Lets compare this guy to Mayoc. Mayoc has a better track record.
Thats not impressive,imo. Looks like a bunch of late round pics.
Btw, you did Say Brennen would go in the first round.
I did not say Brennan would go in the first. Absolutely wrong. Quote me. He should have gone in the first, but I knew his stock fell after his junior year. He would have been the third QB taken had he come out in 07.
Mayoc didn't even watch Brennan at the combine. He gave some opinions without ever having watched him play. Incredible. Clueless. It's his job to know about all NFL prospects, particularly those invited to the combine.
If you are saying Brennan had bad combine, then I know for a fact you didn't watch him (just like Mayoc). Colt had a great combine:
Colt Brennan 100 percent accurate in NFL drills
By Stephen Tsai
Advertiser Staff Writer
INDIANAPOLIS — Former University of Hawaii quarterback Colt Brennan completed 20 of 21 of his passes during drills today at the NFL Scouting Combine in the RCA Dome.
Brennan was given a 100-percent accuracy mark because his lone incompletion was a chest-high pass that ricocheted off Kansas wideout Marcus Henry's hands.
Brennan, UH's record-setting quarterback who guided the Warriors to a 12-0 regular season and their first berth in the Sugar Bowl, showed arm strength (
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http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Feb/24/br/hawaii80224018.html
He was the most accurate QB in NCAA history. Passed for more TDs than any QB in NCAA history (in only three years). Harrell broke his TD record this year on about 450 more attempts. He outplayed every other NFL rookie QB in the preseason. The guy was/is a stud. Everyone who watched him play was impressed. Here is what Georgia's head coach had to say:
“If he (Brennan) was inserted into certain (SEC) teams that might have struggled at the position, he would have won them a championship,” Richt said. “The guy is a great quarterback.’" http://coltbrennanblog.com/category/quotes-about-colt/
I could pull about ten quotes like that from different head coaches (Dennis Erickson, Purdue's coach, Boise's coach, Coach McMackin, etc.). Don't forget he was a Heisman finalist.
Sorry, but you are dead wrong about Bess. Rookie WRs generally don't start in the NFL. FA rookie WRs almost never start in the NFL and lead their team in receptions in almost every game they start. I saw every single one of Bess' 293 passes and 41 TDs in college. So no, you haven't seen him play more than me. This is the same kid who, despite having some of the best hands in the country, would drag the ball machine out to the field an hour before practice every day to catch passes. He was a freshman All-American and later an AP, etc. All-American. Miami's offensive coordinator also disagrees with you. Here is what he said about Bess:
"He can catch a BB in the dark," offensive coordinator Dan Henning said. http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/sports/epaper/2008/11/29/a1b_dolphins_1130.html
You're missing the point about the UH prospects. The job of an NFL talent evaluator/"expert" is know something about all NFL prospects, especially those at the combine. I shouldn't know more about NFL prospects than someone who is paid to give opinions about this stuff.
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I did not say Brennan would go in the first. Absolutely wrong. Quote me. He should have gone in the first, but I knew his stock fell after his junior year. He would have been the third QB taken had he come out in 07.
Ok. Not right now though, it's Friday night. Brennen should not have gone in the first round and thats why he didn't. Infact, he didn't go until the sixth round. This is a QB who was in the spotlight for years. Not a Brady situation where he did not play much. 32 teams dont agree with you. 32 teams with a TON of flim. GM's saw him.
Mayoc didn't even watch Brennan at the combine. He gave some opinions without ever having watched him play. Incredible. Clueless. It's his job to know about all NFL prospects, particularly those invited to the combine. If you are saying Brennan had bad combine, then I know for a fact you didn't watch him (just like Mayoc). Colt had a great combine:
Brennen had an good test at the combine. Again, he was not drafted until the SIXTH ROUND....scouts saw him at the combine and realized his poor mechanics and how he would not translate well to the NFL. If Brennen had an awesome combine I would think he would go before the sixth round.
Again, your anger that Mayoc does not care about a team that plays in an inferior conference is clouding your judgment. Mayoc has a stellar track record. Look it up. There are thousands of college players. Mayock does a great job. He knew about a back from UMASS. Maybe he felt that the players from Hawaii where not special for whatever reason.
He was the most accurate QB in NCAA history. Passed for more TDs than any QB in NCAA history (in only three years). Harrell broke his TD record this year on about 450 more attempts. He outplayed every other NFL rookie QB in the preseason. The guy was/is a stud. Everyone who watched him play was impressed. Here is what Georgia's head coach had to say:
He played in the WAC. Got owned in a big bowl game by the Dawgs and he was drafted in the sixth round. He throws sidearm...when has that ever worked?
Sorry, but you are dead wrong about Bess. Rookie WRs generally don't start in the NFL. FA rookie WRs almost never start in the NFL and lead their team in receptions in almost every game they start. I saw every single one of Bess' 293 passes and 41 TDs in college. So no, you haven't seen him play more than me. This is the same kid who, despite having some of the best hands in the country, would drag the ball machine out to the field an hour before practice every day to catch passes. He was a freshman All-American and later an AP, etc. All-American. Miami's offensive coordinator also disagrees with you. Here is what he said about Bess:
What Bess did in college means shit now. He is in the NFL and I watched him play many times with the Dolphins. I watched him play vs the pats patch work secondary. Again, he is not special, he's a good/average NFL slot guy. Special is Wes Welker, Moss, Wayne or Fitzgerald. I would take Perish over Bess all day.
Lastly I find your logic funny. You post a coordinators opinion of Bess as law, yet you ignore that 32 coordinators, gm's and coaches thought that Colt Brennen (the guy you said should have went in the first round) was nothing but a sixth round talent.
You're missing the point about the UH prospects. The job of an NFL talent evaluator/"expert" is know something about all NFL prospects, especially those at the combine. I shouldn't know more about NFL prospects than someone who is paid to give opinions about this stuff.
Ok. But it only counts when its in your favor. All the experts felt that Brennen was a sixth round talent, but you say he is a first round talent.
Lastly, your point about UH players is not impressive. Over the last ten years most major colleges and universities have provided the NFL with x5 - x10 times more players than UH.
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Ok. Not right now though, it's Friday night. Brennen should not have gone in the first round and thats why he didn't. Infact, he didn't go until the sixth round. This is a QB who was in the spotlight for years. Not a Brady situation where he did not play much. 32 teams dont agree with you. 32 teams with a TON of flim. GM's saw him.
Brennen had an good test at the combine. Again, he was not drafted until the SIXTH ROUND....scouts saw him at the combine and realized his poor mechanics and how he would not translate well to the NFL. If Brennen had an awesome combine I would think he would go before the sixth round.
Again, your anger that Mayoc does not care about a team that plays in an inferior conference is clouding your judgment. Mayoc has a stellar track record. Look it up. There are thousands of college players. Mayock does a great job. He knew about a back from UMASS. Maybe he felt that the players from Hawaii where not special for whatever reason.
He played in the WAC. Got owned in a big bowl game by the Dawgs and he was drafted in the sixth round. He throws sidearm...when has that ever worked?
What Bess did in college means shit now. He is in the NFL and I watched him play many times with the Dolphins. I watched him play vs the pats patch work secondary. Again, he is not special, he's a good/average NFL slot guy. Special is Wes Welker, Moss, Wayne or Fitzgerald. I would take Perish over Bess all day.
Lastly I find your logic funny. You post a coordinators opinion of Bess as law, yet you ignore that 32 coordinators, gm's and coaches thought that Colt Brennen (the guy you said should have went in the first round) was nothing but a sixth round talent.
Ok. But it only counts when its in your favor. All the experts felt that Brennen was a sixth round talent, but you say he is a first round talent.
Lastly, your point about UH players is not impressive. Over the last ten years most major colleges and universities have provided the NFL with x5 - x10 times more players than UH.
The same GMs who passed on Colt also passed on Brady until the sixth round, didn't draft Kurt Warner, passed on Tony Romo, took Terrell Davis in the sixth round, etc. Sorry. Bad example.
Dude. You said Colt had a bad combine. That's completely untrue. He had a very impressive combine. I just gave you an excerpt.
I'm not angry with Mayoc. I just keep his comments in perspective. As I said, he is well informed about the players he chooses to follow. I bet he didn't have Ikaika Alama-Francis going in the second round a couple years ago. I did. :)
Mel Kiper, who I have issues with, is head and shoulders more informed than Mayoc.
Colt played in the WAC. Big friggin deal. What did he do to Purdue, Arizona State, and Alabama? He dropped nearly 700 yards of offense on Purdue, 5 TDs passes on ASU, and 300 yards at Alabama (more than any other visiting QB that year). Plus, you didn't watch him play, which makes your opinion pretty uninformed.
I knew giving you the Richt quote was a waste of time. lol. Want to hear what Coach Mac and June Jones have to say? :)
What Bess did in college means quite a bit if you're trying to form an opinion about him and his abilities. When you combine that with Bill Parcells bringing him on board in the NFL, his head coach starting him in the NFL, his offensive coordinator saying he can catch a BB in the dark, and leading his team in receiving in nearly every start as a rookie, I think you have pretty solid evidence that the kid is special.
Your logic regarding WRs going late or undrafted is absurd body. You know good and well good/great players slide and go undrafted all the time. Bess had a slow 40 time, which killed his draft prospects. That's it.
I could care less whether bigger schools have had more players drafted than UH. They should. The four and five star recruits go there every year. But what UH has done with a $60,000 recruiting budget in the middle of the ocean is just remarkable.
And again, that’s not the point. The point is UH puts very good players in the NFL almost every year, and if you’re a “draft expert,” you should know about those players before they’re drafted.
In any event, why don't we compare the number or UH players in the NFL with Boston College the past ten years. I'll give you my list, but you first. :)
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The same GMs who passed on Colt also passed on Brady until the sixth round, didn't draft Kurt Warner, passed on Tony Romo, took Terrell Davis in the sixth round, etc. Sorry. Bad example
Bad example on your part you mean. Again, there is a ton of film out there on Brennen. He was in the Heismen race for two years! Those same gm's drafted Big Ben, Flacco, Rivers, Ryan, Quinn, P Manning, E Manning, Edwards, Palmer and many others over the last ten years. Guys like Brady and Warner are very rare.
Dude. You said Colt had a bad combine. That's completely untrue. He had a very impressive combine. I just gave you an excerpt.
You act as if some qoute from a random writer is law. If Colt Brennen had such a great combine, why was he drafted in the SIXTH ROUND?
Mel Kiper, who I have issues with, is head and shoulders more informed than Mayoc.
Back that up with stats and facts. Lets see a comparison. Thats simply untrue....Kiper is horrible. Look at his pics.
Colt played in the WAC. Big friggin deal. What did he do to Purdue, Arizona State, and Alabama? He dropped nearly 700 yards of offense on Purdue, 5 TDs passes on ASU, and 300 yards at Alabama (more than any other visiting QB that year). Plus, you didn't watch him play, which makes your opinion pretty uninformed.
I watched him and his whole team get smashed by Goergia. Totally outclassed and outmatched....it was bad.
I knew giving you the Richt quote was a waste of time. lol. Want to hear what Coach Mac and June Jones have to say?
What Bess did in college means quite a bit if you're trying to form an opinion about him and his abilities. When you combine that with Bill Parcells bringing him on board in the NFL, his head coach starting him in the NFL, his offensive coordinator saying he can catch a BB in the dark, and leading his team in receiving in nearly every start as a rookie, I think you have pretty solid evidence that the kid is special.
Your logic regarding WRs going late or undrafted is absurd body. You know good and well good/great players slide and go undrafted all the time. Bess had a slow 40 time, which killed his draft prospects. That's it.
I respect your opinion but I simply do not agree. Bess is not special. I watched him vs the pats twice, and I would take Perish over him all day. Welker is special, Fitz is special...etc. Bess is a good player. There are a lot of guys in the NFL like Bess.
I could care less whether bigger schools have had more players drafted than UH. They should. The four and five star recruits go there every year. But what UH has done with a $60,000 recruiting budget in the middle of the ocean is just remarkable.
I have always told you that I respected what UH does, but I am not impressed by it enough to get upset when national guys dont talk about their players.
And again, that’s not the point. The point is UH puts very good players in the NFL almost every year, and if you’re a “draft expert,” you should know about those players before they’re drafted.
In any event, why don't we compare the number or UH players in the NFL with Boston College the past ten years. I'll give you my list, but you first
Ok. But not tonight.....I'm heading out. Btw, BC has the highest acedemic standards in the NCAA. That's not a very good comparison to UH. No offense but BC is much tougher than UH. Maybe we can look at a more comparable "major" program.
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Bad example on your part you mean. Again, there is a ton of film out there on Brennen. He was in the Heismen race for two years! Those same gm's drafted Big Ben, Flacco, Rivers, Ryan, Quinn, P Manning, E Manning, Edwards, Palmer and many others over the last ten years. Guys like Brady and Warner are very rare.
You act as if some qoute from a random writer is law. If Colt Brennen had such a great combine, why was he drafted in the SIXTH ROUND?
Back that up with stats and facts. Lets see a comparison. Thats simply untrue....Kiper is horrible. Look at his pics.
I watched him and his whole team get smashed by Goergia. Totally outclassed and outmatched....it was bad.
I respect your opinion but I simply do not agree. Bess is not special. I watched him vs the pats twice, and I would take Perish over him all day. Welker is special, Fitz is special...etc. Bess is a good player. There are a lot of guys in the NFL like Bess.
I have always told you that I respected what UH does, but I am not impressed by it enough to get upset when national guys dont talk about their players.
Ok. But not tonight.....I'm heading out. Btw, BC has the highest acedemic standards in the NCAA. That's not a very good comparison to UH. No offense but BC is much tougher than UH. Maybe we can look at a more comparable "major" program.
There is a ton of film on every Division I football player. GMs pass on good/great players all the time. That really makes no sense.
I didn't post a quote from a random writer. I posted results of Colt's combine skill test, which directly contradicts your contention that he had bad combine.
Why didn't you address Richt's comments about Colt? (Because it conflicts with your preconceived opinion would be my guess.)
I have listened to Kiper and I have listened to Mayoc. Kiper can talk about every Division I and IA and probably Division II, III, and NAIA player. He's an encyclopedia. Mayoc can give you a handful of players from a handful of "BCS" schools. No comparison.
Oh brother. You watched UH get drubbed by Georgia. So what. Did you watch Colt and UH nearly beat Alabama on the road? Did you watch him throw 5 TDs in one half against ASU? Did you watch him tear up Purdue? And just to keep things in perspective, I watched Ryan play a couple times and he stunk. All that means is I didn’t see his better performances.
We will have to agree to disagree about Bess. There are not a lot of rookie NFL FA WRs who have started in the NFL. I bet you can't name 5 in the last 10 years. I can't (off the top of my head).
I'm not upset about Mayoc. I'm just talking about how clueless he is outside of his comfort zone.
Nice excuse about BC. :) I doubt BC's admissions standards are any tougher than Notre Dame, Cal, Penn State, Northwestern, and any number of other “BCS” schools with high academic standards. Besides, it's a "BCS" school. And whatever disadvantage they have regarding admissions is matched by the geographic and funding limitations at UH. You're a fan. I'm UH fan and season ticket holder. Let's do a comparison.
Be back on Monday. Have a good weekend.
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Uhhhmmm.ok :-\
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All the draft boards have the G-men going either LB or DE in the first WR in the second.
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All the draft boards have the G-men going either LB or DE in the first WR in the second.
Expect them to do the opposite : )
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Expect them to do the opposite : )
Haha ;D
I would expect a LB somewhere early.they need help there.the youngsters can't seem to stay healthy or cant break into the starting lineup.
WR all depends on if the Plaxico mess is cleared up.his court date is in March.
I would very surprised if they went the trade route for a WR.
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If life was perfect then Chicago will get CRABTREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If life was perfect then Chicago will get CRABTREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chicago needs a QB. The only way I could see you going after Crabtree is if you go out and get a vet like Garcia. The kid you have now is not a good NFL QB. You saw what Calvin Johnson did for Detriot, nothing.
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Chicago needs a QB. The only way I could see you going after Crabtree is if you go out and get a vet like Garcia. The kid you have now is not a good NFL QB. You saw what Calvin Johnson did for Detriot, nothing.
Matthew Stafford is not the answer for us. I want Andre Smith at LT out of Alabama.
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Matthew Stafford is not the answer for us. I want Andre Smith at LT out of Alabama.
I don't really like this QB class. Chicago should take the tackle you are talking about and go after Cassel or Garcia.
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I don't really like this QB class. Chicago should take the tackle you are talking about and go after Cassel or Garcia.
I thought that the Patriots franchised Cassel
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I thought that the Patriots franchised Cassel
They did, but that tender can be written into a singing bonus in a tag and trade with another team. Cassel would be perfect for the Bears. I have heard that the pats think the kid they got in the third round is going to be better than Cassel. They know how to pick qb's so I don't have much to say about that.
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Man,everybody knows I'm a Giants fan but I have a hard time reading the message boards on NY Giants.com :-\
talk about some unrealistic mock drafts ::)
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Man,everybody knows I'm a Giants fan but I have a hard time reading the message boards on NY Giants.com :-\
talk about some unrealistic mock drafts ::)
Basically, if you let a fan run a team, you would have the Washington Redskins. You don't win with big name FA, workout wonders and one trick pony's. You win with character guys, players who do their jobs and productive football players.
When you build a team you use the draft to build the offensive and defensive lines first. Thats the core of your team for the next 10 years. Then you go after a qb. The skill positions come last and they are the least important. You can win with a great qb, great lines and average skill position players, because the great line will make the backs look better and the great qb will make the wr te look better. One the same token, a great line and lb's will make the cb's and db's look much better.
I know that the pats attach a value to each position and they stick to it.
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Man,everybody knows I'm a Giants fan but I have a hard time reading the message boards on NY Giants.com :-\
talk about some unrealistic mock drafts ::)
I am sure that Cleveland will deal you Braylon Edwards and what about Mario Manningham? Is he still getting high? I thought him and Tom Coughlin had a good long talk about that. Toomer is done with the Giants.
GO BLUE!!
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I am sure that Cleveland will deal you Braylon Edwards and what about Mario Manningham? Is he still getting high? I thought him and Tom Coughlin had a good long talk about that. Toomer is done with the Giants.
GO BLUE!!
I would like to see the pats go after, Brain Leonard and Julies Peppers. Peppers for Cassel straight up.
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Alot of the mocks have the G-men taking Nicks.I'm not sure if thats the way to go.
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Alot of the mocks have the G-men taking Nicks.I'm not sure if thats the way to go.
Bady was throwing a football yesterday and said he would be back for the season. If Cassel gets traded the pats are going to have 2 first rounders, 2 second rounders, 2 third rounders, a fourth, fifth, two sixths and a seventh. It's on!
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Bady was throwing a football yesterday and said he would be back for the season. If Cassel gets traded the pats are going to have 2 first rounders, 2 second rounders, 2 third rounders, a fourth, fifth, two sixths and a seventh. It's on!
Can they sfford all that ???
Just saw another board with us taking Brit from Rutgers.
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Can they sfford all that ???
Just saw another board with us taking Brit from Rutgers.
If Cassel gets traded they will be close to 20 million under the cap.
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If Cassel gets traded they will be close to 20 million under the cap.
Who would you like the pats to pick up in Free agency?
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Who would you like the pats to pick up in Free agency?
I want the pats to trade Cassel for Peppers and a 3rd round pick. If they trade Cassel for picks, I would like to see the pats pick up Brain Leonard from the ravens or Dre Bly on the cheap. Bart Scott is another guy I like. other than that the draft can be used to fill their needs.
I have a feeling Scot Pioli is going to trade for Cassel. Pioli and Belichick drafted him and Pioli will want to help the pats. KC has a slew of picks and no one knows Cassel better than Pioli. Cassel would instantly upgrade KC.
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I want the pats to trade Cassel for Peppers and a 3rd round pick. If they trade Cassel for picks, I would like to see the pats pick up Brain Leonard from the ravens or Dre Bly on the cheap. Bart Scott is another guy I like. other than that the draft can be used to fill their needs.
I have a feeling Scot Pioli is going to trade for Cassel. Pioli and Belichick drafted him and Pioli will want to help the pats. KC has a slew of picks and no one knows Cassel better than Pioli. Cassel would instantly upgrade KC.
Nice. I think Peppers just got the Franchise tag and they signed Jordan Gross. Peppers will get his money next year and i have read where he has stated that he wants to retire as a panther. He did play at U.N.C. and i feel that he wants to stay in his home state.
The Pats should send Crable over to Detroit.
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Bart Scott is another guy I like.
he's a bitch, little hines ward made him cry
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Nice. I think Peppers just got the Franchise tag and they signed Jordan Gross. Peppers will get his money next year and i have read where he has stated that he wants to retire as a panther. He did play at U.N.C. and i feel that he wants to stay in his home state.
The Pats should send Crable over to Detroit.
Who knows. I read that Peppers was on a local radio station talking about how he would like to play for the pats....and that they were after him. Honestly, it would only get done if Cassel was traded to them straight up. Peppers said that he wanted out of Carolina at the pro bowl, and if you get the chance to get Cassel and to get rid of a guy who wants to play elsewhere, you have to do it, imo. Think about this.....Cassel put up awesome numbers last year, and he did not make a single peep when the pats franchised him. He even said that he would stay as Brady's backup if they needed him to. The kids a good QB and he is just as good of a person. If I was Carolina - I do that deal in an instant.....but like I said, I think Pioli is going to deal the number three pick for him which the pats will trade out of. Pioli moved down last year when the pats picked 9th.
I dont think Crabel is going anywhere....they have plans for him and he has shown a lot of promise. Detriot woud be very smart to take the best o-linemen in the draft and trade the number 20 first rounder to the pats for Cassel. That would be a major haul right there.
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he's a bitch, little hines ward made him cry
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He's a good player. Hines Ward is a whiny little bitch to.
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He's a good player. Hines Ward is a whiny little bitch to.
hines will never whine about getting hit
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hines will never whine about getting hit
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Maybe. But he will whine about tons of other shit. I would take Bart Scot in a second. He is a good player who can help you win. Maybe he wont be such a bitch on a different team. It worked for Moss and Dillon.
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Maybe. But he will whine about tons of other shit. I would take Bart Scot in a second. He is a good player who can help you win. Maybe he wont be such a bitch on a different team. It worked for Moss and Dillon.
he whined about money, no different than any other player
you will never see him whine about getting hit by a man that weighs 50 pounds less ;)
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he whined about money, no different than any other player
you will never see him whine about getting hit by a man that weighs 50 pounds less ;)
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I dont know about all that....what I do know is that he is a good player and he would look awful good with the flying elvis on his helmet. Timons to. Trade him to the pats, now.
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he whined about money, no different than any other player
you will never see him whine about getting hit by a man that weighs 50 pounds less ;)
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I loved seeing that hit that he put on Keith Rivers!! Something about a U$C linebacker getting the shit knocked out of him by a smaller player, well, it made me happy!
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After the combine this week we should get a better look at things.
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After the combine this week we should get a better look at things.
Not me, I never know where the hell the pats are going to go. I thought it would be Rivers last year.
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Can't wait for the Combine to start. Love watching it. The coverage is awesome.
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Can't wait for the Combine to start. Love watching it. The coverage is awesome.
I use to watch it but i do not have the NFL network anymore
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I use to watch it but i do not have the NFL network anymore
I can't get it unless I get a dish >:(
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I can't get it unless I get a dish >:(
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The more and more that I think about it, I don't think there would be such thing as a "bust" in the NFL if guys were smarter. Look at a guy like Gholston....all the physical tools, but he stinks when he goes to the NFL. At the NFL level everyone is athletic, its the guys who have the smarts to go along with the athletic skills that do well. He might want to drop a little muscle to, he looks to stiff out there. Unless of course he rips off his pads and hits a double bi at the qb, boom, can't fuck with this development, bitch. BB's are pro athletes to!!!!!!
Ha-ha think about this, the lowest paid scrub on an NFL team makes more money than all but two pro bb's. Instead of a half time show, there should be a pose off during half time.
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The more and more that I think about it, I don't think there would be such thing as a "bust" in the NFL if guys were smarter. Look at a guy like Gholston....all the physical tools, but he stinks when he goes to the NFL. At the NFL level everyone is athletic, its the guys who have the smarts to go along with the athletic skills that do well. He might want to drop a little muscle to, he looks to stiff out there. Unless of course he rips off his pads and hits a double bi at the qb, boom, can't fuck with this development, bitch. BB's are pro athletes to!!!!!!
Ha-ha think about this, the lowest paid scrub on an NFL team makes more money than all but two pro bb's. Instead of a half time show, there should be a pose off during half time.
He was a beast but look where he went to school at O$U!!
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The more and more that I think about it, I don't think there would be such thing as a "bust" in the NFL if guys were smarter. Look at a guy like Gholston....all the physical tools, but he stinks when he goes to the NFL. At the NFL level everyone is athletic, its the guys who have the smarts to go along with the athletic skills that do well. He might want to drop a little muscle to, he looks to stiff out there. Unless of course he rips off his pads and hits a double bi at the qb, boom, can't fuck with this development, bitch. BB's are pro athletes to!!!!!!
Ha-ha think about this, the lowest paid scrub on an NFL team makes more money than all but two pro bb's. Instead of a half time show, there should be a pose off during half time.
he has only played one year, too early to call him a bust
heck polamalu looked embarrassingly bad his first year
by definition bodybuilders are athletes and why is it a surprise that all nfl players make more than bodybuilders? large fanbase = large pay day for athletes
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He's a good player. Hines Ward is a whiny little bitch to.
Bart Scott is a hell of a good player. Sadly, he won't be a Raven in 2009. You stick him on the Patriots with Adalius Thomas on the other side and you probably have the makings of the top 3 best LB units in the NFL.
Still missing Adalius on the Ravens....Awesome player.
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Bart Scott is a hell of a good player. Sadly, he won't be a Raven in 2009. You stick him on the Patriots with Adalius Thomas on the other side and you probably have the makings of the top 3 best LB units in the NFL.
Still missing Adalius on the Ravens....Awesome player.
Ill take the rotation of Ad Thomas, Bart Scott, Vrabel, Mayo, Guyton, Alexander and crable alllllll day.
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Gibril Wilson was cut by the Raiders yesterday.they couldn't afford him.wouldnt mind seeing him back in Big Blue 8)
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Crabtree is still gonna run the 40 before he goes for surgery.
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Crabtree is still gonna run the 40 before he goes for surgery.
Good move. He was found to be lynig about his height, so teams might want to vasrify his speed before they draft him.
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Gibril Wilson was cut by the Raiders yesterday.they couldn't afford him.wouldnt mind seeing him back in Big Blue 8)
That took about a second before the fish picked him up.
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Nicks,Britt,and a safety early in the draft for the G-men.
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Giants gm was on the local radio dropping hints they might make some moves.he said the Gmen have to many draft picks.
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Pats sign 27 yrar old cb Lee Bodden from detriot. This is a big deal for pats fans, because Bodden was very good in Romeo's Patriot based system out in Cleveland. This could be another Welker like move for them.
Pats got Shawn Springs on the cheap - A good vet qb to support Hobbs, Wilhite, Wheatley, Sanders and Merweather. I also like how he shuts down TO each time he faces him.
Pats signed Fred Taylor, also. Could this be Corey Dillion 2.0? Maroney, Morris, Faulk and Taylor is a great stable of backs, imo.
Now on to the draft where I suspect they complete the Cassel move. The have 6 pics in the first 100 picks of the draft and I doubt they use them all.
Current starters:
Wilfork - 26
Warren - 26
Seymour -31
Rotational Starters:
Greene - 28
Wright - 29
AD Thomas - 32
Mayo -23
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Guyton - 22
Rotational Starters:
Crable - 22
Bruschi - 600
Alexander - 26
Hobbs - 25
Bodden - 27
Springs - 33
Wilhite - 23 (Nickle)
Wheatley -22
Sanders -25
Meriweather - 24
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Belichick went 16-0 and 11-5 and almost has totally rebuilt the d.
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:o Andre Smith. Somebody get that man a bra. . . .
(http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2009/03/12/sp-49ers13_phsmi_0499895421_part2.jpg)
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Pats to work out Pat White today.
Jets to work out Freeman the qb from Kansas.
supposedly the wr from Ohoi State,Robiskie,has turned some heads with good workouts at the combine and the Ohio State pro day.
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Pats to work out Pat White today.
Jets to work out Freeman the qb from Kansas.
supposedly the wr from Ohoi State,Robiskie,has turned some heads with good workouts at the combine and the Ohio State pro day.
White and Robiskie are two guys that I could see the past taking.
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White and Robiskie are two guys that I could see the past taking.
Where would White play? back up QB and WR?
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Where would White play? back up QB and WR?
Kevin Faulk type hybrid. He would play all kinds of shit.
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Body88, How the hell can you guys afford Juluis Peppers? And he is wanting big time money and New England is not the type of place to throw money at their guys.
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Body88, How the hell can you guys afford Juluis Peppers? And he is wanting big time money and New England is not the type of place to throw money at their guys.
I dont know. There is interest though.
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I dont know. There is interest though.
Peppers want Hawnesworth money
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Peppers want Hawnesworth money
Says who? There was just some writer on from a paper in Carolina that covers Peppers and he said he was not all about the money.
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Hakeem Nicks the WR from North Carolina who many had pegged as a late first round picks {maybe even to my G-men}
showed up at his schools pro-day with a pulled hammy and he had gained 14 lbs since the NFL combine :-\
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Hakeem Nicks the WR from North Carolina who many had pegged as a late first round picks {maybe even to my G-men}
showed up at his schools pro-day with a pulled hammy and he had gained 14 lbs since the NFL combine :-\
I was at the game where i first saw him play against W.V. in the bowl game and that dude looks great in game shape
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Hakeem Nicks the WR from North Carolina who many had pegged as a late first round picks {maybe even to my G-men}
showed up at his schools pro-day with a pulled hammy and he had gained 14 lbs since the NFL combine :-\
i think they'll draft a lb....we're hurting at lb...so slow...
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I was at the game where i first saw him play against W.V. in the bowl game and that dude looks great in game shape
True dat.he was awesome in that game :o
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G-men bring in Percy Harvin for a look see.
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I like Conner Barwin. Reminds me of Mike Vrabel. The kid plays like 4 positions at a high level.
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interesting story on aaron maybin
Aaron Maybin, the former PSU defensive end who declared for the NFL draft following his redshirt sophomore season, ran the 40-yard dash in 4.59 seconds this morning (March 18) during PSU's Pro Day workout on campus.
The 6-4 Maybin has also gained 25 pounds since the middle of January, bulking up from 227 to 252. At the NFL scouting combine last month, Maybin's 40 time was in the mid-4.7 range.
A QUICK LOOK AT ROOKIE DRUG TESTING
Posted by Mike Florio on March 19, 2009, 8:25 a.m.
In response to the Hulk-style changes to the physique of Penn State defensive end Aaron Maybin from mid-January until mid-March, some readers have suggested in the comments that Maybin's increased size and speed might have been aided by one or more pharmaceutical enhancements.
Obviously, there's no evidence that Maybin or anyone else is using juice other than orange or cranberry. Or maybe grapefruit.
But there's definitely an opportunity for incoming rookies to use banned substances, if they so choose.
All rookies are tested at the Scouting Combine, for banned substances and for recreational drugs like marijuana. Then, they are all subject to testing once they sign their first contract and report for duty, typically in July or early August.
Before the Combine in late February and from the completion of the Combine for at least five months, they can do whatever they want, without the chance of the NFL catching them.
And since the testing at the Combine is announced, the only guys who'll test positive for anything that could get them in trouble with the league are those who are stupid, or those who have a dependency problem.
Here he is on January 15th and then on March 11th
(http://blog.pennlive.com/bobflounders/2009/03/medium_maybin_before_after.jpg)
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Rutgers WR Kenny Britt ran a 4.43 at his pro day.came in at 6-3",210lb,about 8lbs lighter then the combine.
He's the WR I really want to see on the G-men.
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Rutgers WR Kenny Britt ran a 4.43 at his pro day.came in at 6-3",210lb,about 8lbs lighter then the combine.
He's the WR I really want to see on the G-men.
Calvin, Have you been reading on what Eli has been saying about Mario Manningham? Eli is like his biggest supporter and they are still talking about the trade.
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Calvin, Have you been reading on what Eli has been saying about Mario Manningham? Eli is like his biggest supporter and they are still talking about the trade.
Doug,I wouldn't read to deep into it.Eli is the consumate professional and never knocks his teamates.he said good things about Shockey before and after he got traded and he gave nothing but support to Plax when the dummy shot himself.
according to the local media the reason Mario didn't play more last year was because he had a hard time understanding the playbook :-\
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Doug,I wouldn't read to deep into it.Eli is the consumate professional and never knocks his teamates.he said good things about Shockey before and after he got traded and he gave nothing but support to Plax when the dummy shot himself.
according to the local media the reason Mario didn't play more last year was because he had a hard time understanding the playbook :-\
I do not doubt that Mario "DuMmY" Manningham had a hard time with the playbook because at MICHIGAN, Henne just threw it up and all Maningham had to do was run quicker then the CB and he catch it.
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Last year all the WR's fell out of the first round of the draft.Crabtree is definitely gonna go but who knows how many after that.
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Last year all the WR's fell out of the first round of the draft.Crabtree is definitely gonna go but who knows how many after that.
Your G-Man are still after Braylon and are considering trading Mario, Steve Smith and a 2nd rounder for Braylon. Steve Smith could stay and they could put Moss in there instead of Steve Smith.
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Your G-Man are still after Braylon and are considering trading Mario, Steve Smith and a 2nd rounder for Braylon. Steve Smith could stay and they could put Moss in there instead of Steve Smith.
Where are you getting this info ???
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Where are you getting this info ???
Scout.com but they could be wrong and some of my other buddies have paid accounts with other teams and stuff. I just thought it would kinda funny is Mario gets sent back to Ohio, his home state and Braylon would get to go to the Big City.
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Scout.com but they could be wrong and some of my other buddies have paid accounts with other teams and stuff. I just thought it would kinda funny is Mario gets sent back to Ohio, his home state and Braylon would get to go to the Big City.
It would make sense for both teams.Cleveland needs alot of help and the extra picks would be good for them.The Giants are like the Pats.to many pics and not enough spots on the roster for all of them.I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants picked another receiver even if they made the trade for Braylon.they might have no Plax this year and definitely no Toomer this year.
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It would make sense for both teams.Cleveland needs alot of help and the extra picks would be good for them.The Giants are like the Pats.to many pics and not enough spots on the roster for all of them.I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants picked another receiver even if they made the trade for Braylon.they might have no Plax this year and definitely no Toomer this year.
But Braylon has "Bricks" for hands. You sure that you want him?
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But Braylon has "Bricks" for hands. You sure that you want him?
Wasn't he solid the year before ???
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Wasn't he solid the year before ???
Yea, he finished 2nd to Randy Moss in TD'S scored and had a hell of a receiving year. I think that he just needs a better couch to sit his ass down and tell him how it is going to be. Braylon just did whatever the hell he wanted to do at MICHIGAN because he earned the #1 Jersey. Braylon has to learn how to run better routes and take the contact.
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Yea, he finished 2nd to Randy Moss in TD'S scored and had a hell of a receiving year. I think that he just needs a better couch to sit his ass down and tell him how it is going to be. Braylon just did whatever the hell he wanted to do at MICHIGAN because he earned the #1 Jersey. Braylon has to learn how to run better routes and take the contact.
I think Coughlin could handle him.I'd take a chance,he's a helluva talent.
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Ravens are taking serious looks at Heyward-Bey out of MD in the first round. The Ravens took Flacco along so he could throw some deep passes to him.
6'2" 220lbs. Runs a 4.3. Exactly what the Ravens need. A WR to stretch the field to go along with Flacco's incredible arm strength.
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I like Conner Barwin. Reminds me of Mike Vrabel. The kid plays like 4 positions at a high level.
Your HC was all over the Uconn pro day.not that the Pats were looking at him but the corner from Uconn might have moved himself up to the second corner picked.he ran a 4.38 forty and looked great in all the drills.
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Ravens are taking serious looks at Heyward-Bey out of MD in the first round. The Ravens took Flacco along so he could throw some deep passes to him.
6'2" 220lbs. Runs a 4.3. Exactly what the Ravens need. A WR to stretch the field to go along with Flacco's incredible arm strength.
I think he would be a great fit for your team.
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G-men are bringing in Kenny Britt for a workout.
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Hakeem Nicks works out for the fish.
Chris"beanie"Wells works out for the Ravens.
Evander"ziggy"Hood works out for the Pats.
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The Matthews kid had the best workout out of all the LB's at USCs pro day.
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All over the N.Y. area that Braylon Edwards will end up being a Giant.
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All over the N.Y. area that Braylon Edwards will end up being a Giant.
He has hands like "Bricks"
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He has hands like "Bricks"
He was great the year before.
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He was great the year before.
Just make sure that is what you want. Braylon has always been a primadonna and New York is perfect for him but he will not cross the middle. Braylon will not even be a factor in playing against the Cowboys and does not take hits!
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Just make sure that is what you want. Braylon has always been a primadonna and New York is perfect for him but he will not cross the middle. Braylon will not even be a factor in playing against the Cowboys and does not take hits!
Sounds like Plax :D except the part about playing the Cowboys.
...I'd still take him.
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He has hands like "Bricks"
Sort of like Ben Watson. At least he can block.
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I know Braylon dropped alot of passes last year but how many did he drop in the years before that?
how many wr's come into the league and make an immediate impact? not many.
Giants are ready to win now thats why I want him on the Giants.
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I know Braylon dropped alot of passes last year but how many did he drop in the years before that?
how many wr's come into the league and make an immediate impact? not many.
Giants are ready to win now thats why I want him on the Giants.
You are the only Giants fan that would even take him. I would be a giant fan if Braylon goes over to New York.
Braylon and Mario as two of your WR'S but i wished you guys kept Amani
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Bills trade their Left tackle Peters to the Eagles for the 28 pick in the draft.
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You are the only Giants fan that would even take him. I would be a giant fan if Braylon goes over to New York.
Braylon and Mario as two of your WR'S but i wished you guys kept Amani
Eli just went on record and said he wants him.
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Eli just went on record and said he wants him.
Eli was just being PC but Eli really wants Boldin. I would really like to see Braylon get the hell out of Ohio
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My annual UH draft predictions:
DE David Veikune - 2-4 round. High motor. Good athlete. Will have a long career in the NFL.
DB Ryan Mouton - 3-5 round. Might be the best DB athlete in the draft. Barring injury (which is his only drawback) I think he will start within the next two or three years.
LS Jake Ingram - 6-7 round. Considered the best long snapper in the country. A position you never think about until they screw up. I don't think he had a single bad snap at UH (that I can remember).
LB Adam Leonard - FA. He would have been drafted had he come out last year. Had an unremarkable senior year, but definitely good enough to play in the NFL. He might make someone's practice squad.
LB Solomon Elimimian - FA. UH's all-time leading tackler. WAC Co-Defensive POY. Will get dinged because of his size. An excellent football player. He'll struggle to make someone's squad.
DT Josh Leonard - Big and strong. Good player. He might be able to hang on with someone.
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Bills trade their Left tackle Peters to the Eagles for the 28 pick in the draft.
And fourth rounder + comp pick.
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And fourth rounder + comp pick.
They may also be going after Boldin.
Torry Holt to the Jags.
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Over the years, lets say 10, which expert has been the most accurate. I know Mel (thick hair) Keiper has been the most visual. But who has been the most "spot on"
I heard that dude mocks all the way up to the 5th round...thats a lot at that point.
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Over the years, lets say 10, which expert has been the most accurate. I know Mel (thick hair) Keiper has been the most visual. But who has been the most "spot on"
I heard that dude mocks all the way up to the 5th round...thats a lot at that point.
Supposedly there is a guy that writes for a Dallas paper that has been pretty damn good the past couple of years.I don't know his name I think body88 does.Kiper was just the first guy that was really into it and he got the airplay.he also spoke his mind and pissed off some GM's and that helped his "fame' rise.
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Supposedly there is a guy that writes for a Dallas paper that has been pretty damn good the past couple of years.I don't know his name I think body88 does.Kiper was just the first guy that was really into it and he got the airplay.he also spoke his mind and pissed off some GM's and that helped his "fame' rise.
So whats the dallas guy saying about the steelers. Im hopin we get the corner out of ill...man we let mcfadden go
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So whats the dallas guy saying about the steelers. Im hopin we get the corner out of ill...man we let mcfadden go
You want Vontae Davis?
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You want Vontae Davis?
I like big corners..he is best corner as far as athete in the draft..and to play in the steelers system...you dont have to be Antonio cromartie...
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So whats the dallas guy saying about the steelers. Im hopin we get the corner out of ill...man we let mcfadden go
Most draft "gurus" have the Steelers going O-line.
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Most draft "gurus" have the Steelers going O-line.
i saw..thanx
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i saw..thanx
May not be a "sexy" pick but I think it's a good one.the way Ben holds onto the ball and the way they like to run it will make a superbowl champion even better.
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May not be a "sexy" pick but I think it's a good one.the way Ben holds onto the ball and the way they like to run it will make a superbowl champion even better.
I know Rashad better show me something. He mad me mad last year. I damn near want to trade the raiders for michael bush. he is a steeler running back
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I know Rashad better show me something. He mad me mad last year. I damn near want to trade the raiders for michael bush. he is a steeler running back
Did he come back from that knee injury? I saw him and he was awesome in College.
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Did he come back from that knee injury? I saw him and he was awesome in College.
Yeah...he was a beast at ILL. He is already ready to go right now. I hope he pans out because I hate scat backs, I prefer big running backs.
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Yeah...he was a beast at ILL. He is already ready to go right now. I hope he pans out because I hate scat backs, I prefer big running backs.
Yea, i saw Mendahall at Illinois but i thought you were talking about Michael Bush who went to Louisville.
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Detroit is tring to make deal with Stratford before the draft.
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Detroit is tring to make deal with Stratford before the draft.
Go figure...Sigh...i wanted Jason Smith
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Go figure...Sigh...i wanted Jason Smith
SEC Quarterbacks not named manning SUCK in the nfl...
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SEC Quarterbacks not named manning SUCK in the nfl...
pretty sure cutler went to the pro bowl last year
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pretty sure cutler went to the pro bowl last year
oh yeah forgot about him..When i think of SEC i dont think of Vandy
But if you want...we can go through the sec QBS in the nfl in the last 15 years...and see how they add up.
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brett favre ???
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brett favre ???
I said 15 years...Now would you like to do all time...Pac 10 vs SEC QBs?
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I said 15 years...Now would you like to do all time...Pac 10 vs SEC QBs?
You can start with Aikman, Danny White, and Bledsoe for Pac 10.......
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brett favre ???
farve didnt play in the sec...i think he went to so. miss.
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You can start with Aikman, Danny White, and Bledsoe for Pac 10.......
and for sec you can say Tim Couch, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA
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and for sec you can say Tim Couch, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA
Or Just Manning................e ither one!!!!
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Or Just Manning................e ither one!!!!
READ THE POST
SEC Quarterbacks not named manning SUCK in the nfl...
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READ THE POST
Stafford and Tebbow won't. Quincy Carter WAS on the way to greatness ...then f'd it up. Jason Campbell is being chased out of DC, but he's very talented. Depends where you go and who you have to work with.
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Stafford and Tebbow won't. Quincy Carter WAS on the way to greatness ...then f'd it up. Jason Campbell is being chased out of DC, but he's very talented. Depends where you go and who you have to work with.
No....Stafford will...Same as Russell. "he has a big arm" Mark Sanchez will have a very good carreer.Stafford, Well he didnt run the most complicated offense in GA..Remember Tim Couch, Danny Warfel, Chris leak, David Greene, Q, Shockly, J Lo, T martin.
If im building a team ill go like this
QB Pac 10
RB SEC
OL BI 12
DB ACC
LB PAC 10, SEC
WR BIG 10
DL SEC ACC
TE MIAMI (lol)
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No....Stafford will...Same as Russell. "he has a big arm" Mark Sanchez will have a very good carreer.Stafford, Well he didnt run the most complicated offense in GA..Remember Tim Couch, Danny Warfel, Chris leak, David Greene, Q, Shockly, J Lo, T martin.
If im building a team ill go like this
QB Pac 10
RB SEC
OL BI 12
DB ACC
LB PAC 10, SEC
WR BIG 10
DL SEC ACC
TE MIAMI (lol)
There's still time for Russell. Its not his fault the Raiders make dumb offensive decisions. You forgot to add the MAC for Special Teams!!!!
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There's still time for Russell. Its not his fault the Raiders make dumb offensive decisions. You forgot to add the MAC for Special Teams!!!!
Right..MAC in there
But Russell isnt takin it seriously...Why would Davis bring in a guy thay dosent ever like comming off the bench..Garcia goes to places to start.
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Russell wasn't ready to go pro.......the media pumped him uo with so much bull he believed he was the next Payton Manning!!!! The only thing people where hyping was that he could toss a ball 100 yrds while on his knees. Well woop dee doo on that....once all his hype is gone ...as well as McFaddens, the Raiders will be a force to reckon with. Maybe the time Garcia is there, Russell can sponge off everything the way Jessica's boyfriend did waiting in the wings of Vinni, Quincy, Hensen, and Bledsoe.
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Russell wasn't ready to go pro.......the media pumped him uo with so much bull he believed he was the next Payton Manning!!!! The only thing people where hyping was that he could toss a ball 100 yrds while on his knees. Well woop dee doo on that....once all his hype is gone ...as well as McFaddens, the Raiders will be a force to reckon with. Maybe the time Garcia is there, Russell can sponge off everything the way Jessica's boyfriend did waiting in the wings of Vinni, Quincy, Hensen, and Bledsoe.
You sound like my friend Mike who is from Oakland but he likes the cowboys.
Russell was told that no one could throw as hard as him, blah blah.. but he wasnt ready to leave...He had a great national game against ND...But they sucked..
LOL @ Jessicas Boyfriend
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Romo's my guy @ QB for now. But do not be shocked if we make a move for Harrell or even Rhett Bomar Ford Auto Sales
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You sound like my friend Mike who is from Oakland but he likes the cowboys.
Russell was told that no one could throw as hard as him, blah blah.. but he wasnt ready to leave...He had a great national game against ND...But they sucked..
LOL @ Jessicas Boyfriend
LSU basically won that game while ND just stunk it up. At least from what I hear...i barely watch the National Title game since my Trojans always find a way to miss it.
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My annual UH draft predictions:
DE David Veikune - 2-4 round. High motor. Good athlete. Will have a long career in the NFL.
DB Ryan Mouton - 3-5 round. Might be the best DB athlete in the draft. Barring injury (which is his only drawback) I think he will start within the next two or three years.
LS Jake Ingram - 6-7 round. Considered the best long snapper in the country. A position you never think about until they screw up. I don't think he had a single bad snap at UH (that I can remember).
LB Adam Leonard - FA. He would have been drafted had he come out last year. Had an unremarkable senior year, but definitely good enough to play in the NFL. He might make someone's practice squad.
LB Solomon Elimimian - FA. UH's all-time leading tackler. WAC Co-Defensive POY. Will get dinged because of his size. An excellent football player. He'll struggle to make someone's squad.
DT Josh Leonard - Big and strong. Good player. He might be able to hang on with someone.
- Veikune in the 2nd to the Browns
- Mouton in the 3d to the Titans
- Ingram in the 6th the Pats
Really happy for all three. They will be good NFL players IMO.
Josh Leonard has a FA deal with Houston. He could make the practice squad. Looking at some of the DTs drafted, I'm disappointed someone didn't take a late round flyer on him.
CB Jameel Dowling has a FA deal with Arizona. No way he makes that team. Big for a corner (6'3") but isn't fast enough. I also question his toughness.
I hope Adam Leonard and Solomon Elimimian get into camp. Both are enough to play in the NFL. Sucks for them.
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- Veikune in the 2nd to the Browns
- Mouton in the 3d to the Titans
- Ingram in the 6th the Pats
Really happy for all three. They will be good NFL players IMO.
Josh Leonard has a FA deal with Houston. He could make the practice squad. Looking at some of the DTs drafted, I'm disappointed someone didn't take a late round flyer on him.
CB Jameel Dowling has a FA deal with Arizona. No way he makes that team. Big for a corner (6'3") but isn't fast enough. I also question his toughness.
I hope Adam Leonard and Solomon Elimimian get into camp. Both are enough to play in the NFL. Sucks for them.
I was told Ingram is going to be the next Lonnie Paxton. I hope so.
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I was told Ingram is going to be the next Lonnie Paxton. I hope so.
He's going to be very good. By all accounts he was considered the best long snapper in the country. I don't ever recall seeing a bad snap from him at UH. Great kid too.