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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Powerlifting / Strongman => Topic started by: bigbadwolfe on January 24, 2009, 07:22:04 AM
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Hey guys I was asked to start a Question and Answer thread to help address some PL/Bench questions. As far as the Squat and Deads go I'm not very knowledgeable but as for the bench ask away.
Wolfy!!!!
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what are your favorite or most important triceps movements for a huge bench?
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For a shirted bench I would say closegrip highend board work 3 board and higher. I also incorporate lots of Tricep DB presses where I keep the DB's parallel to the body. Also to simulate this movement at Westside we have a Tricep Pushpress machine that was designed for Football Linemen to strengthen there pass block abilities. That machine hits the tris REAL hard also.
And I also finish EVERY bench workout with HEAVY cable pushdowns lotso f people overlook these but I have done them throughout my whole carrer and I think it is a big reason as to why my Triceps are as big as they are.
So my 3 would be ~
HEAVY Highboards closegrip
DB Tricep Presses
Heavy Cable Pushdowns for added size and strength
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For a shirted bench I would say closegrip highend board work 3 board and higher. I also incorporate lots of Tricep DB presses where I keep the DB's parallel to the body. Also to simulate this movement at Westside we have a Tricep Pushpress machine that was designed for Football Linemen to strengthen there pass block abilities. That machine hits the tris REAL hard also.
And I also finish EVERY bench workout with HEAVY cable pushdowns lotso f people overlook these but I have done them throughout my whole carrer and I think it is a big reason as to why my Triceps are as big as they are.
So my 3 would be ~
HEAVY Highboards closegrip
DB Tricep Presses
Heavy Cable Pushdowns for added size and strength
by "DB Tricep presses" do you mean db extensions keeping the db's parallel or actual db close grip bench presses?
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sorry for the ignorance but by pushdowns you mean where your triceps flare out to the sides?
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by "DB Tricep presses" do you mean db extensions keeping the db's parallel or actual db close grip bench presses?
Just like a DB Chest press but keep the DB's parrallel to your body. I dont do exrensions that often they hurt my elbows. I will do them just not really heavy.
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sorry for the ignorance but by pushdowns you mean where your triceps flare out to the sides?
I do mine very similar to this ~
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b163/bigbadwolfe800/untitled.jpg)
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hey Mike i know a lot of big benchers don't believe in shoulder pressing nowadays and think it doesn't add much to the bench these days with the shirted benches, what do you think? do you believe in them or do you believe more in the different lateral and front raise movements?
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Just like a DB Chest press but keep the DB's parrallel to your body. I dont do exrensions that often they hurt my elbows. I will do them just not really heavy.
I do mine very similar to this ~
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b163/bigbadwolfe800/untitled.jpg)
oops i meant elbows not triceps
awesome ive been looking for new tricep exercises as my elbows hurt from time to time too sweet thanks mike
you have shoulder problems? my right one is pretty jacked, do you know of any warm up movements or rehab/prehab movements?
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Could you please tell me what would be your number one exercise for shoulders. In the past they were one of my stronger parts but now the triceps seems to do most of the work when pressing.
p.s.: Keep up the good work with dieting.
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Hey Mike, this is a great idea for a thread!
As regards raw benching what do you recommend?
Also, as an aside, can you recommend anything for improving overhead pressing?
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Hi Wolfy!
Congrats again on the weight loss!! Best wishes to you and your wife...has she been living the fit lifestyle with you too?
:)
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hey Mike i know a lot of big benchers don't believe in shoulder pressing nowadays and think it doesn't add much to the bench these days with the shirted benches, what do you think? do you believe in them or do you believe more in the different lateral and front raise movements?
Hey Oats,
I just now incorporated Shoulder Pressing moves back into my workouts. When I was doing all shirted work I never did much overhead pressing moves just rears and sides. I also never did any Front Delt work either. And I still do not do much front work I feel that my fronts get worked pretty good with all the heavy pressing moves I do.
But as for presses as I already stated I just putthem back into my training when I decided to go Raw. I have done DB Shoulder Presses, Barbell to the front and behind. But my main focus for my bench in the shoulder region is the Rear Delts and the Traps. These 2 muscles build the upper foundation of what you will be benchign of of and they greatly assist in moveing HEAVY weights.
A break down I would do would be ~
1 pressing
1 Side
2 Rears
1-2 Traps
Doing 3 working sets in the pressing and sides and 3-4 on the rears and traps.
I train shoulders 1 time per week, I use to do 2 times but it got to be to much.
Wolfy!!!
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you have shoulder problems? my right one is pretty jacked, do you know of any warm up movements or rehab/prehab movements?
At this point in time neither one of my shoulders hurt. There have been days where I have had some shoulder stiffness and pain. I always use Ice and Ibuprofen on those days. If I notice that my shoulders are starting to hurt I will bakc off from training them heavy and I will do what I like to call Prehab movements. Prehab is just a few different exercises that I have found to help loosen my shoulders and help strengthen the tendon/ligaments in them.
My Prehab moves are really no more then just alot of the basic Rotator moves the Dr has you doing in Rehab after a shoulder surgery. But I incorporate Cables, Barbells and DB's into them. And I also go heavier then they would in a Rehab situation.
I'll do lying Barbells where i start with a 45 pound over top me while lying on the floor. I will then flare my elbows out to my sides and then only moving the shoulders I'll rotate the bar in a arching movment from above my head down to my belly and then back above my head. I'll do sets of 10 with these and add 10 pounds a side for 3-4 sets.
Then I'll move over to the Cable Crossover where I'll do a standing rotator move to front where I have my elbow flared out to the side and my arm bent at a 45 degree angle. I then rotate my arm forward lifting the weight as I rotate forward til it is still bent at a 45 but now pointing forward instead of up. I'll 3 sets of 10 each arm then turn around and do the movement in reverse where the weight is being felt in the upward motion instead of the downward motion.
Then I'll do the traditional lying on the side with a DB and rotate my arms up and down 3 sets of 10 reps and then I'll do light DB flyes 3 sets of 25-30 reps. JL Holdsworth showed alot of these to me bakc when I first went to Westside and I only use them if my shoulders hurt.
Wolfy!!!
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Hey Oats,
I just now incorporated Shoulder Pressing moves back into my workouts. When I was doing all shirted work I never did much overhead pressing moves just rears and sides. I also never did any Front Delt work either. And I still do not do much front work I feel that my fronts get worked pretty good with all the heavy pressing moves I do.
But as for presses as I already stated I just putthem back into my training when I decided to go Raw. I have done DB Shoulder Presses, Barbell to the front and behind. But my main focus for my bench in the shoulder region is the Rear Delts and the Traps. These 2 muscles build the upper foundation of what you will be benchign of of and they greatly assist in moveing HEAVY weights.
A break down I would do would be ~
1 pressing
1 Side
2 Rears
1-2 Traps
Doing 3 working sets in the pressing and sides and 3-4 on the rears and traps.
I train shoulders 1 time per week, I use to do 2 times but it got to be to much.
Wolfy!!!
cool, thanks Mike, yeah i noticed on Jeremy Hoornstra's video that he does some heavy db shoulder presses and barbell shoulder presses but he's mainly a raw bencher like you're doing now, i think i remember reading about Jim Williams doing A LOT of shoulder work too.
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Could you please tell me what would be your number one exercise for shoulders. In the past they were one of my stronger parts but now the triceps seems to do most of the work when pressing.
p.s.: Keep up the good work with dieting.
Hey Mac,
My number one exercise for shoulders will always be a overhead pressing. I myself personally dont think any other move hits the whole sholder like them. BUT alot of people do not like to do them and some just cant do them.
So alot totally depends on what you are looking for also. But in all around Mass build I think overhead presses will do the best bang for the buck.
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Hey Mac,
My number one exercise for shoulders will always be a overhead pressing. I myself personally dont think any other move hits the whole sholder like them. BUT alot of people do not like to do them and some just cant do them.
So alot totally depends on what you are looking for also. But in all around Mass build I think overhead presses will do the best bang for the buck.
hey mike got some questions
1.- What does it feel to be part of the all mighty westside barbell team?
2.- Can you tell me how does it look a westside barbell program for chest?
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Hi Wolfy!
Congrats again on the weight loss!! Best wishes to you and your wife...has she been living the fit lifestyle with you too?
:)
Thanks Rip!!! We are doing good, she is going to the gym and working with a personal trainer so now she is being held accountable by someone other then me :) It kind of worked out nice I donated some equipment to the gym and got her all her personal training for free.
Here is a pic of me from yesterday sitting the mid 280's. I still got some work to do but I'm slowly getting my sexy on :)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b163/bigbadwolfe800/2010.jpg)
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hey mike got some questions
1.- What does it feel to be part of the all mighty westside barbell team?
2.- Can you tell me how does it look a westside barbell program for chest?
Hey Benz,
1 ~ Being part of the Westside team is a GREAT feeling. Yeah right now there has been some roster changes and some of the top guys have decided to move on to other things and places. But it is still Westside and the Atmosphere of just being in that buidling is amazing!!!
I use to be so afraid of the Westside guys at the meets. They were Big, Mean, Nasty, and Strong as Fuck on the platform. I remember going to Westside back in mid 90's and I only made it into the parking lot. I seen Tom Waddle and Mike Ruggeria come walking out and I freaked out and left never to return til 04.
Honest to God it is one of the best places in the World to train and the guys there really are second to none. No one there is any better then the next. You come in bust your ass and hit a PR. It dont matter if you are benching 600 or 1000 everyone busts there asses to hit that PR.
I love being there and wish I could be there more then 1 time a week.
2 ~ We dont have a Chest program persay. But we do have Bench programs and I just set mine up for my next contest. There are numerous ways to train but using the conjugate method where you are constantly rotating ME moves is the best way I've found thus far to do it.
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Mike
Thank you for the answers, the way you talk about WB is great, you are a lucky man and yeah, all of them look pretty rude and pissed most of the time.
Again, thank you for your time and tell them to fix their website. the shopping cart is pretty prehistoric and there are many easy to configure & free apps to setup a store in 10 minutes.
Id hope i can get my tshirt!
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Thanks for the answer Wolfe! Much appreciated.
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Thanks Rip!!! We are doing good, she is going to the gym and working with a personal trainer so now she is being held accountable by someone other then me :) It kind of worked out nice I donated some equipment to the gym and got her all her personal training for free.
Here is a pic of me from yesterday sitting the mid 280's. I still got some work to do but I'm slowly getting my sexy on :)
Damn straight you are! :-*
Mike, what kind of changes in your strength have you seen as you have lost weight?
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Mike... what pre-workout supplements do you take and find most effective?....If any?
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Mike... what pre-workout supplements do you take and find most effective?....If any?
I have never taken much before training other then a Thermogenic Fat Burner to get me a little wired. Other then that it is usually all Post Workout Stuff. I try and make sure I get a PWO Drink in me, and without sounding like I'm spamming but for the last 3 yrs I've used ALN Opticen as a PWO Drink.
There is tons of stuff out there to try for Pre Workouts but I never felt right training with a full belly of liqiud or protein shakes.
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hey Mike what do you think of Elite FTS and those guys over there, Tate, Wendler, etc? their video collection on youtibe are AWESOME for instructional info, have you ever trained there?
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The Elite guys are all good guys. I only know Dave via the internet switching diet stuff back and forth. And Jim I have met on a few occasions at meets we did once discuss some diet stuff but for the most part it was just hey have a good one see ya type stuff.
There programs are great and there seminars are VERy informative, well worth the money spent to go. I have not ever trained at Elite but was spose to go over there a couple months back for an underground bench meet with some Westside guys but ended up not being able to make it that day.
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The Elite guys are all good guys. I only know Dave via the internet switching diet stuff back and forth. And Jim I have met on a few occasions at meets we did once discuss some diet stuff but for the most part it was just hey have a good one see ya type stuff.
There programs are great and there seminars are VERy informative, well worth the money spent to go. I have not ever trained at Elite but was spose to go over there a couple months back for an underground bench meet with some Westside guys but ended up not being able to make it that day.
yeah from watching those clips they seem to have a lot of fun and not take themselves too seriously, they throw around some SERIOUS iron around there though.
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Hey Mike, this is a great idea for a thread!
As regards raw benching what do you recommend?
Also, as an aside, can you recommend anything for improving overhead pressing?
Bump for an answer please? :)
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Have you had any major injuries that made you think... that you may need to switch hobbies? Having torn 2 biceps deadlifting im thinking of taking up benching now. I have 2 buddies (dave and kyle gulledge) giving me advice, what would you recommend for someone just getting into competitive benching?
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Whats a typical work out week look like for you?
I am doing my first show here soon, just to get my feet wet essentially. any suggestions/tips on a work out plan for powerlifting. the next show i plan on doing isn't till december so I will have 9 months to train for all 3 lifts. I am a beginner in powerlifting but i have been in lifting for a couple years.
any tips about raw benching you might have would also be welcomed. the trick is i do not have a work out partner, and the gym i go to 225 on the bench is pretty close to god like, so i don't trust random spotting.
thanks!
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Bump for an answer please? :)
Sorry I totally missed this one!!!
Raw workouts I'm gonna layout EXACTLY what i'm doing getting ready for this next contest raw. The big thing with Raw is that you have to rememeber that you need to be strong on the lowend as well as on the high end. As to where when using a Shirt
you get a good solid pop of the bottom so being lowend strong is important but the shirt helps tremendously out of the hole. Raw there is no pop out of the hole from a tight shirt.
So here is my 3 week conjugate layout getting ready for this contest.
Week 1 ~
ME Day ~
Full Range Triples ~ work up til you miss 3
Floor Presses ~ 3-4 sets of heavy singles
Heavy Tricep movement ~ varies on how I feel
DE Day ~
Illegally Wide Bench Press ~ 6 sets of 6 to 8 reps
Incline DB's ~ 3-4 sets
Heavy Tricep movement ~ varies
Week 2 ~
ME Day ~
Barbell Inclines ~ Work upto Heavy Single
Flat DB's ~ 3-4 sets
Heavy Tricep movement
DE Day ~ The Same
Week 3 ~
ME Day ~
Cambered Bar Press off 2 or 3 board ~ Work to Heavy Single
(we use 3 board takes us 1 1/4 inch below parallell so it depends on camber of bar)
3 or 4 Board Close Grip Barbell Press ~ 4 sets
Heavy Tricep movement
DE Day ~ Same
Week 4 ~ start back at week 1
I'm running for a short 12 weeks cycle will prolly each movement 3 times then spend the last few weeks working with my commands and all singles.
What kind of overhead work are you doing?
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Have you had any major injuries that made you think... that you may need to switch hobbies? Having torn 2 biceps deadlifting im thinking of taking up benching now. I have 2 buddies (dave and kyle gulledge) giving me advice, what would you recommend for someone just getting into competitive benching?
Knock on Wood I have never had any Major injuries so far in the 17 yrs I've been training. I have had some small stuff and plenty of sore joints and aches and pains. But never anything needing to be surgically repaired and what not. So to answer that "Nope" even if I would prolly still stay with what I loved.
As for getting into competitve benching I would first find a good solid set of training partners which it sounds like you have. And then just start seeking as much knowledge about the sport as possible. As for training it will always be hit or miss with the different styles and methods. What works for me may not work for someone else. If it dont work toss it BUT make sure you give it adaquete enuf time to see if it is gonna work or not. But sometimes you can just tell if it is not gonna work.
Are you going Raw or Shirted? That will also make a diference in your training. Shirted training and Raw training are two totally different ways of training. You hve to focus alot on everything with Raw as to with Shirted that shirt heps out alot coming out of the hole. And with the shirt you will need to learn the technique of the shirt also.
So there are plenty of things to take a look at I can help set you up on a training regimin if you wish?
Wolfy!!!
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Whats a typical work out week look like for you?
I am doing my first show here soon, just to get my feet wet essentially. any suggestions/tips on a work out plan for powerlifting. the next show i plan on doing isn't till december so I will have 9 months to train for all 3 lifts. I am a beginner in powerlifting but i have been in lifting for a couple years.
any tips about raw benching you might have would also be welcomed. the trick is i do not have a work out partner, and the gym i go to 225 on the bench is pretty close to god like, so i don't trust random spotting.
thanks!
Take a look at the Raw layout i just did for the guy above and see if it is something that might wirk fo you. With you doing all 3 lifts you might have to add some Back and Shoulder work to the mix on these days also. I'm not a Squatter or a Deadlifter so I cannot even try and attempt to give you any real good advice on those other then to seek out a good solid program for them. My best advice there would be to go to
www.westside-barbell.com and take a look at some of Lou's articles and training regimins there.
As for the spotting, you need to find a crew that you trust. Friends? Anyone else in the area train for PL/Bench? I would do a search for powerlifting gyms in your area. You can go to www.powerliftingwatch.co m and they have a whole slew of them broke down by states on there.
Wolfy!!!
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Knock on Wood I have never had any Major injuries so far in the 17 yrs I've been training. I have had some small stuff and plenty of sore joints and aches and pains. But never anything needing to be surgically repaired and what not. So to answer that "Nope" even if I would prolly still stay with what I loved.
As for getting into competitve benching I would first find a good solid set of training partners which it sounds like you have. And then just start seeking as much knowledge about the sport as possible. As for training it will always be hit or miss with the different styles and methods. What works for me may not work for someone else. If it dont work toss it BUT make sure you give it adaquete enuf time to see if it is gonna work or not. But sometimes you can just tell if it is not gonna work.
Are you going Raw or Shirted? That will also make a diference in your training. Shirted training and Raw training are two totally different ways of training. You hve to focus alot on everything with Raw as to with Shirted that shirt heps out alot coming out of the hole. And with the shirt you will need to learn the technique of the shirt also.
So there are plenty of things to take a look at I can help set you up on a training regimin if you wish?
Wolfy!!!
hey thanks a lot for the reply. I think ill like to go with the shirt, ive heard there is a smaller chance of getting hurt.
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Knock on Wood I have never had any Major injuries so far in the 17 yrs I've been training. I have had some small stuff and plenty of sore joints and aches and pains. But never anything needing to be surgically repaired and what not. So to answer that "Nope" even if I would prolly still stay with what I loved.
As for getting into competitve benching I would first find a good solid set of training partners which it sounds like you have. And then just start seeking as much knowledge about the sport as possible. As for training it will always be hit or miss with the different styles and methods. What works for me may not work for someone else. If it dont work toss it BUT make sure you give it adaquete enuf time to see if it is gonna work or not. But sometimes you can just tell if it is not gonna work.
Are you going Raw or Shirted? That will also make a diference in your training. Shirted training and Raw training are two totally different ways of training. You hve to focus alot on everything with Raw as to with Shirted that shirt heps out alot coming out of the hole. And with the shirt you will need to learn the technique of the shirt also.
So there are plenty of things to take a look at I can help set you up on a training regimin if you wish?
Wolfy!!!
Hi Mike
Do you have any suggestions for healing sore elbows? I feel they're holding me back in benching and overhead presses :-\
Any replies will be appreciated :)
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Hi Mike
Do you have any suggestions for healing sore elbows? I feel they're holding me back in benching and overhead presses :-\
Any replies will be appreciated :)
How sore are we talking? If it is just a minor pain that inflames enuf to nag at ya I suggest Ice and Ibuprofen. If it is a consistent but mild pain that just occasionally makes you uncomfortable I would look into some kind of over the counter Joint Complex of some type. GLC2000 is pretty good stuff or just about any kind of name brand Glucosamine/Chondrotin product might help. If it is sever pain Go to the Doctor!!!
Now if you are looking for a good temporary relief product to help get you through your heavy workouts I HIGHLY recommend "Absorbine Veterinary Liniment Gel" this stuff is BADASS we use tons of it at Westside and I carry a bottle in my gym bag at all times. The stuff smells like Spearmint so you dont smell like a walking medicine cabinet either.
You can purchase the stuff at your local "Tractor Supply Company(TSC)" or at "Farm and Fleet" if neither of them have it you can get it online at www.absorbine.com it is the one with the Brown horse on it. Yes it is for horses but yes you can use it. Dr Gott who writes a medical column for newspapares highly recommends it. The guy at TSC told me whenever Dr gott writes an article on it they get tons of old fuckers out there with arthritis and they buy up his whole stock of it.
I swear by this stuff and I rub a petty good amount into my shoulders and elbows every time before I bench. Give it about 5 minutes to warmup and any small aches and pains you are having will be gone for a bit.
Hope this helps!!!
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Hey Mike,
I have the following problem: I'm stronger in close grip benches(elbows in) than in wide grip benches(elbows out). Isn't it true that your wide grip bench is supposed to be stronger?
And what can I do to fix this? My close grip benches give me the idea that I have the potential to gain a lot on my regular bench if I "fix" what I'm doing wrong.
I hope you can understand my crappy english.
Thanks, MT.
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Hey Mike,
I have the following problem: I'm stronger in close grip benches(elbows in) than in wide grip benches(elbows out). Isn't it true that your wide grip bench is supposed to be stronger?
And what can I do to fix this? My close grip benches give me the idea that I have the potential to gain a lot on my regular bench if I "fix" what I'm doing wrong.
I hope you can understand my crappy english.
Thanks, MT.
Just a quick idea to try would be to try and not flare your elbows out so much with a wider grip. You said elbows in on close and elbows out on wide. Try and tuck a little more on the wides. I would shoot for the arms at more of a 45 degree angle to the body and hit the bar just above the sternum. This is my raw groove and I seem toget the most out of it.
I would also hit more direct pec work/lowend type work. I would incorporate barbell inclines and flat DB presses to the mix. As well as illegally wide benches(hands past rings) These will be harder so go lighter and then work upto sets of 6 reps. I do these on my DE day and they are helping.
Wolfy!!!
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Sorry I totally missed this one!!!
Raw workouts I'm gonna layout EXACTLY what i'm doing getting ready for this next contest raw. The big thing with Raw is that you have to rememeber that you need to be strong on the lowend as well as on the high end. As to where when using a Shirt
you get a good solid pop of the bottom so being lowend strong is important but the shirt helps tremendously out of the hole. Raw there is no pop out of the hole from a tight shirt.
So here is my 3 week conjugate layout getting ready for this contest.
Week 1 ~
ME Day ~
Full Range Triples ~ work up til you miss 3
Floor Presses ~ 3-4 sets of heavy singles
Heavy Tricep movement ~ varies on how I feel
DE Day ~
Illegally Wide Bench Press ~ 6 sets of 6 to 8 reps
Incline DB's ~ 3-4 sets
Heavy Tricep movement ~ varies
Week 2 ~
ME Day ~
Barbell Inclines ~ Work upto Heavy Single
Flat DB's ~ 3-4 sets
Heavy Tricep movement
DE Day ~ The Same
Week 3 ~
ME Day ~
Cambered Bar Press off 2 or 3 board ~ Work to Heavy Single
(we use 3 board takes us 1 1/4 inch below parallell so it depends on camber of bar)
3 or 4 Board Close Grip Barbell Press ~ 4 sets
Heavy Tricep movement
DE Day ~ Same
Week 4 ~ start back at week 1
I'm running for a short 12 weeks cycle will prolly each movement 3 times then spend the last few weeks working with my commands and all singles.
What kind of overhead work are you doing?
Nice, thanks!
I'm just doing some power jerks and standing db military press. Prior to this it was really just standing overhead barbell pressing.
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Just a quick idea to try would be to try and not flare your elbows out so much with a wider grip. You said elbows in on close and elbows out on wide. Try and tuck a little more on the wides. I would shoot for the arms at more of a 45 degree angle to the body and hit the bar just above the sternum. This is my raw groove and I seem toget the most out of it.
I would also hit more direct pec work/lowend type work. I would incorporate barbell inclines and flat DB presses to the mix. As well as illegally wide benches(hands past rings) These will be harder so go lighter and then work upto sets of 6 reps. I do these on my DE day and they are helping.
Wolfy!!!
Thank you very much!
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Take a look at the Raw layout i just did for the guy above and see if it is something that might wirk fo you. With you doing all 3 lifts you might have to add some Back and Shoulder work to the mix on these days also. I'm not a Squatter or a Deadlifter so I cannot even try and attempt to give you any real good advice on those other then to seek out a good solid program for them. My best advice there would be to go to
www.westside-barbell.com and take a look at some of Lou's articles and training regimins there.
As for the spotting, you need to find a crew that you trust. Friends? Anyone else in the area train for PL/Bench? I would do a search for powerlifting gyms in your area. You can go to www.powerliftingwatch.co m and they have a whole slew of them broke down by states on there.
Wolfy!!!
thanks!
i am looking through the articles, all of it is super usefull, i just have to work it into my training.
no friends that are into the weights, at least not anymore. i will be working out in a new gym starting june when i move so hopefully i will find a crew there.
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY WOLFY!! :-*
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY WOLFY!! :-*
Thanks Dear!!!
I hit 284 today 9 more pounds to go and I'll be a 275er :)
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Thanks Dear!!!
I hit 284 today 9 more pounds to go and I'll be a 275er :)
WOW!!! It seems like only yesterday you were 400+lbs. Great work! Its always impressive to see someone take off that much weight and retain so much strength.
What would be some tips you have for people who want to lose a significant amount of weight and retain strength? Significant meaning over 35lbs. Need to drop about 30 myself. :-\
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Damn straight you are! :-*
Mike, what kind of changes in your strength have you seen as you have lost weight?
Similar to Lift's question above, I am bumping my last question too. :)
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Similar to Lift's question above, I am bumping my last question too. :)
Since I'm a gentleman I'll go ladies first :)
I am def not as strong as I was at 420 BUT the big thing I have to remember is that 1 I am pushing the bar a considerable amount further and 2 everything I do at this weight is a personal record for me.
As far as changes everything has changed I am still very very strong on the top end but it is my lowend coming out of the hole where I'm struggling. If I can get it about 3 inches off my chest it is going up. All my leverages have changed I do no have the Heaving power I did at 420.
At 420 I could rely alot on my overall size and being a brute and just muscling it through. Well now that my leverages have changed and the distance I push has increased I have had to re-evaluate my training style. Hell even going from 340-350's to now has totally changed everything.
I am more apt now to do lowend rep work to strengthen me in the hole and I even go as far as going below chest level with work on the bow bar and the cambered bars. The good thing to it is that my pecs and even front delts are getting HUGE from all the direct pec work now.
It is a whole new ballgame for me now with being Raw and considerable lighter then the last time I competed. if I come into this meet at 271 or less that will be 100 pounds I lost in less then a years time (11months) When I did this meet back in April of 08 I was 371. I went from 320 in Feb to 371 in the end of April. You all wanna talk about a bloat Hahahahaha :)
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WOW!!! It seems like only yesterday you were 400+lbs. Great work! Its always impressive to see someone take off that much weight and retain so much strength.
What would be some tips you have for people who want to lose a significant amount of weight and retain strength? Significant meaning over 35lbs. Need to drop about 30 myself. :-\
The biggest thing is to make sure you consume PLENTY of good foods!!! You have to eat and get plenty of good high quality protein in you. Dont get me wrong I have lost alot but what I have kept is doing me real well at this weight class.
As far as training goes keep doing what works for you. When it quits working find something else that works. A big thing with dropping is you are gonna be looking at different leverage points. As I stated above my training has totally changed, like I said what I was doing worked, but it quit working so I had to start all over and find what works now.
I think I have found what is working but only time will tell. So to straight up answer your question EAT clean to lose the weight but EAT enuf to still gain/retain muscle. And with training it is all gonna be on how it feels. What worked at 420 will not work for me now.
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Good advice. Its hard to eat that much protein (even with shakes) and thats what Im going to have to work on. An eating schedule is what worked best for me in the past. I had it set to where I ate every 2.5 hours and it was all protein mostly. Its just hard choking it down sometimes.
Thanks Mike!
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Mike how do my max effort exercises look: week 1 close grip incline(index on smooth), week 2 floor press(thumb from smooth),week 3 close grip bench (index on smooth) and week 4 bench(index on rings) and repeat cycle over? I don't have access to chains or bands. After ME work I plan to do 40 or more total reps for tris with a BB and about the same with DBS. I also plan to hit some form of shoulder press on this day also. On DE I plan to do either 55 or 60% or my max for speed or ultra wide bench outside the power rings for max 5 or 6 reps. I will also do rear delts and side delts along with triceps again. Maybe you can answer this thanks in advance.
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Hey Mike, just back on the boards after a layoff due to sport commitments (rugby)....great thread, everyone can learn alot form you, and gotta say im impressed you answer so many!!
Im just getting back on the bulk train bro, and wanna get back into the powerlifting stuff i was doing before rugby took over (and i had to go to more sports specific training)....problem is iv damaged a disc in my lower back, and even thogh it was few weeks ago im still getting some pain!! I cant go heavy on deads or squats for a while, and gonna find out from physio if i can start back on front squats in week or 2.
Do you personally think that i can still hit a good powerlifting routine with max/de days on both upper and lower body without heavy back squats and deadlifting?
And do you think that normal Max/DE days for upper and lower body is a good way to set up a good powerlifting bulking routine?
If you dont think it can happen, il have to jump back on DC like i used once before.
Awesome weight loss mate....next you'l be running triathalons heehee.
Davie