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Penn's mother urges NSAC to punish St. Pierre "to fullest extent of authority"
LAS VEGAS - The weeks that have followed the controversial UFC 94 bout between Georges St. Pierre and B.J. Penn have been filled with many unusual and interesting circumstances.
At Tuesday's Nevada State Athletic Commission review of the bout, yet another unique story was brought to "Greasegate."
Lorraine Shin, the mother of UFC lightweight champion B.J. Penn, addressed the commission and charged them with failing to properly protect her son in the course of the Jan. 31 contest.
The contents of Shin's address to the NSAC are included below:
"My name is Lorraine Shin, and I am the mother of Jay Dee Penn, also known as B.J. Penn. I have been involved in the MMA arena as a producer for years.
"I have and continue to support my four sons who have earned their black belt status in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. I have also had the opportunity of attending many Brazilian jiu-jitsu tournaments as well as MMA fight events in Hawaii, Guam, Japan, England and the U.S. Mainland. I am no stranger to the MMA fight world.
"During the past 12 years my sons operate and are instructors in the Penn Fitness and Training Center in Hawaii, which I have been very instrumental in its daily operations. My son, Jay Dee Penn, has also produced MMA events under the name of Rumble on the Rock in Hawaii and Guam, and later merged with EliteXC. As the financial adviser for the family, it was imperative for me to understand the rules and regulations governing MMA events.
"On Jan. 31, 2009, I was present at the UFC 94 event held at the MGM Grand Hotel in Las Vegas. The fighters in the main event were B.J. Penn vs. Georges St. Pierre for the welterweight title.
"I was sitting in the front row, near the entrance to the octagon cage, and clearly understood the seriousness of this fight that had been successfully marketed on prime time television.
"During the rounds that followed, I was shocked to see that B.J. appeared to be helpless, as well as defenseless in his attempts to grasp and hold Georges St. Pierre while on the ground. I silently kept screaming and asking myself, 'What is wrong? Why can't B.J. defend himself?'
"I was horrified with fear. My son was going to be seriously hurt because he could not defend himself.
"The match ended in the fourth round, and B.J. Penn lost by TKO when his corner stopped the fight. After the fight was over, I was led immediately to B.J.'s locker room. And knowing that B.J. was seriously hurt, when I reached the locker I heard loud voices yelling that GSP and his cornermen were caught by the Nevada (State) Athletic Commission for applying Vaseline on his body during the rounds and in violation of the rules.
"Although still in shock and fearful for my son, it then made sense to me why B.J. couldn't defend himself. Georges St. Pierre used a greasy substance on his body, therefore giving St. Pierre an unfair advantage over my son, B.J. Penn.
"While in the locker room, I couldn't understand why the fight was not stopped by the UFC's referee or the Nevada State Athletic Commission for the unfair advantage by St. Pierre and his cornerman after they realized the foul. How could this happen? Why was it allowed?
"There are probably several reasons, but the responsibility falls on the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
"The Nevada State Athletic Commission failed in their duties by not immediately notifying the Penn corner of the unfair use of greasing and Vaseline applied on St. Pierre, by not allowing the Vaseline to be removed properly off of St. Pierre, and by not taking the necessary procedures to protect my son from being seriously injured or killed.
"A rushed, quick wipe of St. Pierre's body did not properly remove the grease from the head, neck, chest, shoulders and back. It is the commissioners' responsibility to always protect the fighter from the unfair practices by others under the rules that govern MMA events in Nevada."
Shin was briefly interrupted by NSAC Chairman Bill Brady, who assured her that the commission was aware of the issue at hand.
"I apologize for interrupting you," Brady said. "We're aware of what your feelings are on this. That's what we're having this hearing for, is to take all of this under advisement."
Polite in the address, Brady allowed Shin to continue when she assured she was almost finished with her statement. The remainder of the statement is included below:
"It is officially documented that St. Pierre's team did in fact apply Vaseline to St. Pierre's body. It is documented that St. Pierre did have an unfair advantage against Penn because of greasing. The Nevada State Athletic Commission needs to do the right thing and find Georges St. Pierre and all others responsible for these unfair practices and punish them to the fullest extent of their authority.
"St. Pierre is the responsible person for the actions of his cornerman and others involved. This can not be ignored by the Nevada (State) Athletic Commission."
Brady tried to keep the mood light with his casual response following the address.
"B.J., your mother loves you," Brady said before addressing Shin. "We appreciate your statements, and we understand your feelings."
Shin was quick to add one final remark while addressing the commission.
"It's not just for my son," Shin said. "It's to do the right thing. You need to do the right thing."
Shin's statement was followed by the morning's final speaker, Steve Pacitti. A lawyer representing St. Pierre, Pacitti's statement was short and direct.
"The simple fact is that there was nothing done that was explained that would violate the existing rules of the commission," Pacitti said. "If there was an advantage, it was merely Georges size' and skill on that night."
After the conclusion of the meeting, Brady addressed Penn directly just before speaking with MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com).
"Apologize to your mother that I had to cut her short," Brady said to Penn. "I have a great deal of respect for her.
"We'll see where this goes. You come back soon, alright. Las Vegas wants you here, and so does the commission."
John Morgan is the lead staff reporter for MMAjunkie.com.
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I think more than anything BJ is building hype for St.Pierre 3 in the future, possibly on purpose with these antics.
Can you imagine the hype a third grudge match would have. Although BJ would get worked again, people would watch either way.
But in Penn's defense, St.Pierre needs to be disciplined. Not saying it affected the outcome, but who here really believes the stupid "breathing technique" that Nurse was doing?
Read this portion of statements made yesterday during the hearing from Sherdog
http://sherdog.com/news/news/penn-nurse-jackson-testify-before-nsac-16621 (http://sherdog.com/news/news/penn-nurse-jackson-testify-before-nsac-16621)
"Nurse said a last-minute decision made en-route to the cage led to his handling of the Vaseline duties, and if given the opportunity, he would prefer not to administer the breathing technique and the Vaseline application at the same time."
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Penn's mother urges NSAC to punish St. Pierre "to fullest extent of authority"
LAS VEGAS - The weeks that have followed the controversial UFC 94 bout between Georges St. Pierre and B.J. Penn have been filled with many unusual and interesting circumstances.
At Tuesday's Nevada State Athletic Commission review of the bout, yet another unique story was brought to "Greasegate."
Lorraine Shin, the mother of UFC lightweight champion B.J. Penn, addressed the commission and charged them with failing to properly protect her son in the course of the Jan. 31 contest.
The contents of Shin's address to the NSAC are included below:
"My name is Lorraine Shin, and I am the mother of Jay Dee Penn, also known as B.J. Penn. I have been involved in the MMA arena as a producer for years.
"I have and continue to support my four sons who have earned their black belt status in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. I have also had the opportunity of attending many Brazilian jiu-jitsu tournaments as well as MMA fight events in Hawaii, Guam, Japan, England and the U.S. Mainland. I am no stranger to the MMA fight world.
"During the past 12 years my sons operate and are instructors in the Penn Fitness and Training Center in Hawaii, which I have been very instrumental in its daily operations. My son, Jay Dee Penn, has also produced MMA events under the name of Rumble on the Rock in Hawaii and Guam, and later merged with EliteXC. As the financial adviser for the family, it was imperative for me to understand the rules and regulations governing MMA events.
"On Jan. 31, 2009, I was present at the UFC 94 event held at the MGM Grand Hotel in Las Vegas. The fighters in the main event were B.J. Penn vs. Georges St. Pierre for the welterweight title.
"I was sitting in the front row, near the entrance to the octagon cage, and clearly understood the seriousness of this fight that had been successfully marketed on prime time television.
"During the rounds that followed, I was shocked to see that B.J. appeared to be helpless, as well as defenseless in his attempts to grasp and hold Georges St. Pierre while on the ground. I silently kept screaming and asking myself, 'What is wrong? Why can't B.J. defend himself?'
"I was horrified with fear. My son was going to be seriously hurt because he could not defend himself.
"The match ended in the fourth round, and B.J. Penn lost by TKO when his corner stopped the fight. After the fight was over, I was led immediately to B.J.'s locker room. And knowing that B.J. was seriously hurt, when I reached the locker I heard loud voices yelling that GSP and his cornermen were caught by the Nevada (State) Athletic Commission for applying Vaseline on his body during the rounds and in violation of the rules.
"Although still in shock and fearful for my son, it then made sense to me why B.J. couldn't defend himself. Georges St. Pierre used a greasy substance on his body, therefore giving St. Pierre an unfair advantage over my son, B.J. Penn.
"While in the locker room, I couldn't understand why the fight was not stopped by the UFC's referee or the Nevada State Athletic Commission for the unfair advantage by St. Pierre and his cornerman after they realized the foul. How could this happen? Why was it allowed?
"There are probably several reasons, but the responsibility falls on the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
"The Nevada State Athletic Commission failed in their duties by not immediately notifying the Penn corner of the unfair use of greasing and Vaseline applied on St. Pierre, by not allowing the Vaseline to be removed properly off of St. Pierre, and by not taking the necessary procedures to protect my son from being seriously injured or killed.
"A rushed, quick wipe of St. Pierre's body did not properly remove the grease from the head, neck, chest, shoulders and back. It is the commissioners' responsibility to always protect the fighter from the unfair practices by others under the rules that govern MMA events in Nevada."
Shin was briefly interrupted by NSAC Chairman Bill Brady, who assured her that the commission was aware of the issue at hand.
"I apologize for interrupting you," Brady said. "We're aware of what your feelings are on this. That's what we're having this hearing for, is to take all of this under advisement."
Polite in the address, Brady allowed Shin to continue when she assured she was almost finished with her statement. The remainder of the statement is included below:
"It is officially documented that St. Pierre's team did in fact apply Vaseline to St. Pierre's body. It is documented that St. Pierre did have an unfair advantage against Penn because of greasing. The Nevada State Athletic Commission needs to do the right thing and find Georges St. Pierre and all others responsible for these unfair practices and punish them to the fullest extent of their authority.
"St. Pierre is the responsible person for the actions of his cornerman and others involved. This can not be ignored by the Nevada (State) Athletic Commission."
Brady tried to keep the mood light with his casual response following the address.
"B.J., your mother loves you," Brady said before addressing Shin. "We appreciate your statements, and we understand your feelings."
Shin was quick to add one final remark while addressing the commission.
"It's not just for my son," Shin said. "It's to do the right thing. You need to do the right thing."
Shin's statement was followed by the morning's final speaker, Steve Pacitti. A lawyer representing St. Pierre, Pacitti's statement was short and direct.
"The simple fact is that there was nothing done that was explained that would violate the existing rules of the commission," Pacitti said. "If there was an advantage, it was merely Georges size' and skill on that night."
After the conclusion of the meeting, Brady addressed Penn directly just before speaking with MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com).
"Apologize to your mother that I had to cut her short," Brady said to Penn. "I have a great deal of respect for her.
"We'll see where this goes. You come back soon, alright. Las Vegas wants you here, and so does the commission."
John Morgan is the lead staff reporter for MMAjunkie.com.
That pretty much sums it up. I don't think this is just to hype up a rematch. This fuck is beyond delusional. He has lost all credibility and a lot of fans as well....
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That pretty much sums it up. I don't think this is just to hype up a rematch. This fuck is beyond delusional. He has lost all credibility and a lot of fans as well....
It states in the rules that vaseline can only be applied to the face. It also strictly states that no lubricant can be applied to the body.
This is the issue, although I feel that Penn has ulterior motives, he does have a case. Grease was illegally applied. Accident or not...
Just like drugs, if you accidentally have a trace amount of coke in your system, you are suspended.
What is the difference?
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I think more than anything BJ is building hype for St.Pierre 3 in the future,
there's not gonna be a #3...
Gsp will never fight a prelim fight and dana will never sell a 3rd fight as a main event !
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It states in the rules that vaseline can only be applied to the face. It also strictly states that no lubricant can be applied to the body.
This is the issue, although I feel that Penn has ulterior motives, he does have a case. Grease was illegally applied. Accident or not...
Just like drugs, if you accidentally have a trace amount of coke in your system, you are suspended.
What is the difference?
All that needs to be done is for the rules to change so that cornermen are not handling vaseline. GSP does not need to be sanctioned. We don't need a rematch. And BJ needs to STFU. That's it.
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Lowest he could possibly go, he can't get any lower...........can he ???
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Lowest he could possibly go, he can't get any lower...........can he ???
At this rate I have a feeling he'll find a way.
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At this rate I have a feeling he'll find a way.
Wouldn't doubt it, probably write a letter to his congressman.
What a little bitch.
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He's a disgrace. Biggest pos to ever step in the ring.
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they need to settle it in the cage,bj vs gsp 3.its the only way gsp will clear this dark shadow hanging over that victory and it will stop bj,s legal action imo
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W O W...is all I can saya at this point...
just when you think he's gone to the bottom of the barrel.
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He's a disgrace. Biggest pos to ever step in the ring.
I think BJ and St.Pierre have both lost fans over this...
But about a Million people saw grease being applied to St.Pierre. Does not really matter if her gets punished by CSAC.
St.Pierre is already paying a price. He will forever be suspect to cheating in the public eye.
Jackson's camp is also suspect. Remember the "nipple-tweak" thing....denying that it had anything to do with gyno?
Or is it just coincidence that his two champs have gyno? hmmmm????
And now this "special breathing technique"
Come on....something just does not seem right about that camp.
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I think BJ and St.Pierre have both lost fans over this...
But about a Million people saw grease being applied to St.Pierre. Does not really matter if her gets punished by CSAC.
St.Pierre is already paying a price. He will forever be suspect to cheating in the public eye.
Jackson's camp is also suspect. Remember the "nipple-tweak" thing....denying that it had anything to do with gyno?
Or is it just coincidence that his two champs have gyno? hmmmm????
And now this "special breathing technique"
Come on....something just does not seem right about that camp.
I disagree. I don't think St Pierre has lost many fans over this at all. He is a great fighter and a class act and he kicked BJ's fuckin' ass plain and simple. Most MMA fans love St Pierre and I don't see this as being a mark on his reputation at all. BJ Penn is an embarassment man, no other way to put it. Total pussy.
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They should have a rematch and GSP should drop weight and fight BJ at 155. Lets see who wins that one. It amazing how after watching the video of when BJ is trying to lock his legs around GSP and they simply slide off his back every time that people still think the vaseline had no purpose. Again not taking up for BJ but you guys are blind. GSP beat the shit out of BJ cause BJ couldn't defend himself like he usually does with his legs and flexiablitiy. Not even the heavier guy BJ fought in the past controlled him like GSP. ANd you morons think it is because GSP was stronger and better than BJ. Get your head out of your asses. Vaseline mixed with sweat makes it almost impossible to grab anything. GSP could have beat the shit out of Lesnar too that night. ;)
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jeebus :-\
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I disagree. I don't think St Pierre has lost many fans over this at all. He is a great fighter and a class act and he kicked BJ's fuckin' ass plain and simple. Most MMA fans love St Pierre and I don't see this as being a mark on his reputation at all. BJ Penn is an embarassment man, no other way to put it. Total pussy.
St.Pierre USED to be my absolute favorite fighter. I still don't like BJ. But I do feel cheated by what happened. It would be easy to disregard, but it was caught on tape. As much as I hated to admit. St.Pierre broke the rules and the rule that he broke happened to be a popular method of cheating.
St.Pierre is the better fighter, but he has yet to have a "CLEAR" victory over BJ. Say what you want...neither victory has been controversy free.
That feeling must suck for St.Pierre.
I guarantee they will fight again. Dana will take advantage of this for sure!
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St.Pierre USED to be my absolute favorite fighter. I still don't like BJ. But I do feel cheated by what happened. It would be easy to disregard, but it was caught on tape. As much as I hated to admit. St.Pierre broke the rules and the rule that he broke happened to be a popular method of cheating.
St.Pierre is the better fighter, but he has yet to have a "CLEAR" victory over BJ. Say what you want...neither victory has been controversy free.
That feeling must suck for St.Pierre.
I guarantee they will fight again. Dana will take advantage of this for sure!
Again, I gotta disagree with you bro. I think St Pierre won both fights very clearly. I never saw the controversy in the first fight. It was closer, but St Pierre won it, no doubt. I have watched it many times. And this time he destroyed him. The vaseline thing has become and O.J. trial put on by BJ Penn to save face for the fact that he said anyone who taps out from strikes is a bitch, then he refused to come out of his corner, which is basically tapping out in between rounds. The guy has made a fool of himself. No need for a third fight. BJ versus Florian should be good though.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!! ;D
BJ decides to play with the big boys and when going gets too rough, he runs behind his mommy and lawyer and barks from there. What a loser!
I hope he loses his next fight and retires.. everyone remembering him as a sore loser. GSP on the other hand will keep on dominating his weight class for years to come, occasionally perhaps going up a weight class and still kicking ass.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!! ;D
BJ decides to play with the big boys and when going gets too rough, he runs behind his mommy and lawyer and barks from there. What a loser!
I hope he loses his next fight and retires.. everyone remembering him as a sore loser. GSP on the other hand will keep on dominating his weight class for years to come, occasionally perhaps going up a weight class and still kicking ass.
YOu wonder why if GSP is so dominant why he wouldn't go up a weight class or two or three like BJ did to get better competition. Is GSP afraid of something or what. At BJ goes up in weight classes to try out the better and stronger competiton. Why doesn't GSP. Since GSP is so dominant maybe he should go down in weight and fight BJ at his weight class. Really prove who is the better fighter. Going up in weight is very hard so is going down in weight. GSP cheated whether he knew it or not and for some reason you some of you guys are blind. Simple question, did GSP break the rules. Yes or No. According to the rules and even the President of the UFC and the Nevada State Commission the answer is yes. But according to resident Getbig experts they say no. So what is it. Everyone in baseball should be able to cork their bats until they get caught. Remember GSP has been accused of this before. And by the way BJ beat the shit out of GSP in their first fight. If he was so dominant why didn't he kick BJ's ass in that fight. The first round BJ killed him. Granted BJ lost but it was far from a slaughter by GSP.
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What a surprise anothe whiny bitchy ass hawaiian...dude honestly take b.j's balls out of your mouth, you're starting to choke.
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You wonder why if GSP is so dominant why he wouldn't go up a weight class or two or three like BJ did to get better competition.
He will. Patience. It's been talked about and will most probably happen.
Really prove who is the better fighter.
He already did twice. What do you need - BJ's ass kicked for a third time to get that fact sink in?
But according to resident Getbig experts they say no.
Oh, technically speaking he (or his cornerman) did. Still doesn't change the fact BJ still got his ass beat and had nothing to do with the 1/10th ounce of vaseline on his back. Whether it was intentional from St. Pierre or not, I don't think so. I'm sure you disagree - you got BJ's nuts in your mouth.
And by the way BJ beat the shit out of GSP in their first fight. If he was so dominant why didn't he kick BJ's ass in that fight.
The record shows GSP won that fight. If BJ wants to fight with different rules, he should fight somewhere else. Oh wait, he is: his fighting with a lawyer's and mommy's help.
When BJ asked for a re-match I still thought of him highly - that would've been the right way to do it. With him trying to get St. Pierre suspended through legal actions, he just became a bitch. What kind of "warrior" tries to make someone unable to fight legally, what a tough guy. He's just so afraid for a re-match that he'd rather get St. Pierre suspended so he can say "oh, we can't fight because he's suspended. But I'd really, reeeeaaalllly win the third fight. Please believe me!!" ::)
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They should have a rematch and GSP should drop weight and fight BJ at 155. Lets see who wins that one. It amazing how after watching the video of when BJ is trying to lock his legs around GSP and they simply slide off his back every time that people still think the vaseline had no purpose. Again not taking up for BJ but you guys are blind. GSP beat the shit out of BJ cause BJ couldn't defend himself like he usually does with his legs and flexiablitiy. Not even the heavier guy BJ fought in the past controlled him like GSP. ANd you morons think it is because GSP was stronger and better than BJ. Get your head out of your asses. Vaseline mixed with sweat makes it almost impossible to grab anything. GSP could have beat the shit out of Lesnar too that night. ;)
Boring. You've got BJ schlong all over your face, you're not impartial.
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What a surprise anothe whiny bitchy ass hawaiian...dude honestly take b.j's balls out of your mouth, you're starting to choke.
haaha nice comeback pussy. Wouldn't expect anything less. another internet moron.
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He will. Patience. It's been talked about and will most probably happen. Yea thats all he does is talk. BJ did it. GSP is scared.
He already did twice. What do you need - BJ's ass kicked for a third time to get that fact sink in?
Oh, technically speaking he (or his cornerman) did. Still doesn't change the fact BJ still got his ass beat and had nothing to do with the 1/10th ounce of vaseline on his back. Whether it was intentional from St. Pierre or not, I don't think so. I'm sure you disagree - you got BJ's nuts in your mouth. Excuses just like you live on. WOW you don't think so. It must be right then. ::) ::)
The record shows GSP won that fight. If BJ wants to fight with different rules, he should fight somewhere else. Oh wait, he is: his fighting with a lawyer's and mommy's help. BJ has fought somewhere else kick ass there too. GSP sticks where he knows he'll win. He'll never go up in weight cause he is scared. If he hasn't done it yet he never will.
When BJ asked for a re-match I still thought of him highly - that would've been the right way to do it. With him trying to get St. Pierre suspended through legal actions, he just became a bitch. What kind of "warrior" tries to make someone unable to fight legally, what a tough guy. He's just so afraid for a re-match that he'd rather get St. Pierre suspended so he can say "oh, we can't fight because he's suspended. But I'd really, reeeeaaalllly win the third fight. Please believe me!!" ::)
I love debating with you guys. It is fun. Keep it coming. You make me feel like I know what I am talking about. Thanks
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haaha nice comeback pussy. Wouldn't expect anything less. another internet moron.
pussy? I'm not the one that's become a 600lb hermit because of a spider bite, ROFL... oh but wait, you did sit next to Jonesey, actor from Police Academy at a charity function in 1983 !!!!
HAhahahha
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They should have a rematch and GSP should drop weight and fight BJ at 155. Lets see who wins that one. It amazing how after watching the video of when BJ is trying to lock his legs around GSP and they simply slide off his back every time that people still think the vaseline had no purpose. Again not taking up for BJ but you guys are blind. GSP beat the shit out of BJ cause BJ couldn't defend himself like he usually does with his legs and flexiablitiy. Not even the heavier guy BJ fought in the past controlled him like GSP. ANd you morons think it is because GSP was stronger and better than BJ. Get your head out of your asses. Vaseline mixed with sweat makes it almost impossible to grab anything. GSP could have beat the shit out of Lesnar too that night. ;)
It's scary how insanely retarded you are.
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I love debating with you guys. It is fun. Keep it coming. You make me feel like I know what I am talking about. Thanks
Learn to quote idiot. You seriously think anyone's going to try to find your responses in the middle of all that text?
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lmfao @ thread title
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BJ could'nt beat george at any wieght, even if george has sand paper glued all over his body...
GSP has evolved since the first fight, and B.J is the same fighter..
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Like I said, for GSP / penn 3 they should make it a handicapped match and let penn come in full head to toe body armor/riot gear , also let him use mace , a baseball bat and stun gun, just in case ;)
maybe then he might have a chance..
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Like I said, for GSP / penn 3 they should make it a handicapped match and let penn come in full head to toe body armor/riot gear , also let him use mace , a baseball bat and stun gun, just in case ;)
maybe then he might have a chance..
How about they fight again without St.Pierre being illegally greased? It's only fair.
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I agree with equip- BJ should come into the ring dressed like Robocop.
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I agree with equip- BJ should come into the ring dressed like Robocop.
With a few extra MMA fighters covering his back... you know like they used to have handicap 2 on 1 matches in wrestlking...maybe then he might win..
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Hate to say this, most of you guys are faqing idiots, no matter how bad he won, he cheated, whether it was 1/10th on ounce or a jar, it was illegal to have on his body, he should be discplined, two other fighters have had the same complaints, so where is the accidently, besides most of you Einsteins are saying since he didn't know it's ok, so if his trainer was putting steroids in his shakes, that's ok, he didn't know, Maybe, just maybe BJ doesn't want to see this happen to another fighter, see it for what it is, cheating
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Hate to say this, most of you guys are faqing idiots, no matter how bad he won, he cheated, whether it was 1/10th on ounce or a jar, it was illegal to have on his body, he should be discplined, two other fighters have had the same complaints, so where is the accidently, besides most of you Einsteins are saying since he didn't know it's ok, so if his trainer was putting steroids in his shakes, that's ok, he didn't know, Maybe, just maybe BJ doesn't want to see this happen to another fighter, see it for what it is, cheating
Or maybe, just maybe B.J is a gigantic douche?
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you guys with the weight jokes think your making your case more credible? why is it that while you are all adults, when hidden behind a computer you resort to elementary school tactics? are you unable to emphasize your points without being relegated to a 7 year old mentality?
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you guys with the weight jokes think your making your case more credible? why is it that while you are all adults, when hidden behind a computer you resort to elementary school tactics? are you unable to emphasize your points without being relegated to a 7 year old mentality?
Shut up doodie head!! >:(