brutal
hahaha biggest ownage of the year in bodybuilding
its good to see a man standing by his convictions !
he was on here proud of this and they took it away from him :(
its good to see a man standing by his convictions !
Milos is the man; I want to know what his personal record was for number of needles in one day...
3 stack roids
GH in the morning + post-workout
Slin post workout
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6 needles
Bob Chic preferred to whine and dine with the corrupt Paul Chua instead of supporting a fellow athlete.
When are you going to apologize Chic ? And will you send back the Asian gifts and presents ?
What are you talking about? I've never met the man, and know nothing about him...
It was Milos' own actions that got him suspended...whether the allegations brought forth against Chua are founded or not, there is a protocol to be followed.
I have no horse in this race
Congratulations Milos Sarcev on your well deserved victory over the corrupt powers that be !
If this letter is real you'll be reinstated soon , damn shame Bob Chic wasn't there to help you through this ordeal.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/312h3dj.jpg)
hows the "what a hunk schmoe content" stavios :)
What are you talking about? I've never met the man, and know nothing about him...
It was Milos' own actions that got him suspended...whether the allegations brought forth against Chua are founded or not, there is a protocol to be followed.
I have no horse in this race
What are you talking about? I've never met the man, and know nothing about him...I wonder what has prompted this action by the IFBB? ::)
It was Milos' own actions that got him suspended...whether the allegations brought forth against Chua are founded or not, there is a protocol to be followed.
I have no horse in this race
whats the story behind all this?
can anyone write it down in brief?
It was Milos' own actions that got him suspended...whether the allegations brought forth against Chua are founded or not, there is a protocol to be followed.
it has long been alleged that Chua decides the placings of the Asian Amateur Championships long before the contest begins, usually based on whats in his best financial interest.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/5n3ddw.jpg)The Asian Siouxcountry!? :-X
if he is not already does that mean that Milos will be reinstated?
also on a side note, what is the status of Sami with regards to being an IFBB pro?
it has long been alleged that Chua decides the final placings of the Asian Amateur Championships before the contest begins, usually based on whats in his best financial interest.
How is that linked to this investigation of his federations anti-doping policies and protocol?
Are we to assume that the IFBB is operating under the presumption that there is overt corruption throughout the ABBF?
How is that linked to this investigation of his federations anti-doping policies and protocol?
Read the thread on Milos' forum.
What are you talking about? I've never met the man, and know nothing about him...
It was Milos' own actions that got him suspended...whether the allegations brought forth against Chua are founded or not, there is a protocol to be followed.
I have no horse in this race
Milos was right, Chua was wrong, and you're still waffling on the issue and defending Milos' suspension. What an athlete's rep. ::)
No idea if Milos will be reinstated...don't know the status (if any) in regards to Sami.
but you have to create an account just to read it
Adel fahim got this post, after he worked very hard to remove Paul Chua, and Rafael replace Adel in place of Chua in order to cover his dirty corrupts, and violation.
You ask all the time for the truth, and facts, they remove Paul chua, in order to cover their dirty cheating on us, but no more please read bellow.
I hope this will clarify everything to all.
We are united as a group of people who love the sport of bodybuilding and fitness and our common goal is to promote the sport of bodybuilding and fitness to bring it to even higher levels. A lot has already been achieved in the past, and even more has to be done in the future to guarantee the IFBB can reach this goal.
Since the founder of the IFBB, Dr. Ben Weider, has resigned and to our all deep regret passed away everyone of us had to adapt to a new situation.
Few of us knew anything about the legal, fiscal and financial situation of the IFBB. The focus was clearly not on the legal and business aspects of directing the affairs of an International Sports Federation, but on keeping the sport- competitions going on and organizing and conducting Championships.
For most of us the centre of attention was and still is the organization and conduction of bodybuilding and Fitness Events.
In March 2009 I heard for the first time in my life, that the International Federation of Bodybuilding and Fitness is not an International Sports Federation, but a Canadian non profit organization named international Federation of Bodybuilders Inc.”.
By the above you will see, is just amazing.
The Illegal facts pertaining to the constitutional, legal, fiscal and financial situation of the IFBB. Especially concerning the alleged transfer of the head office of the IFBB from Montreal/Canada to Madrid/Spain.
The International Federation of Bodybuilding & Fitness (IFBB) in the shape we know this organization with the Constitution published on www.ifbb.com (Constitution of the International Federation of Bodybuilding & Fitness 2008 Edition) and the Executive Council that was elected at the IFBB Congress in Ostrava/Czech Repubic on 29th October 2006 is not a registered legal entity. The current IFBB Executive Council Members with the exception of Rafael Santonja, Erich Weider and Pamela Kagan are not directors (board members) of the International Federation of Bodybuilders Inc. (Canadian Non Profit Organization). They are also not directors (board members) of any registered legal entity, connected in any way, shape or form with the IFBB. The registered by-laws (Constitution) of International Federation of Bodybuilders Inc. are not even remotely similar to the IFBB Constitution published on www.ifbb.com
Kamal (Qatar) was suspended for a year, from Sept.2 nd 2007 to Sept.1st 2008. Yet in November 2007 Kamal competed in an Excalibur competition in the US ? WHY??? Huge money was given to Rafael and now people want answer and he cannot give.......SHAMED!!!
Qatar:
Ali and Kamal both failed the test in 2003 world championship. Then Kamal failed again in 2007.
Bahrain:
Sami: busted in the 2004 Asian Championship and banned for life (even though it was his 3rd time the national team never got penalized)
Noah: he failed the test in 2003 for Winstrol. Then was caught on DHEA in the 2005 Asian Championship in Korea and got striped from his 5th place. Then he did the world Champion ship in 2006.
Faisal: got 2nd in the Asian games but failed the test. ABBF took away the medal but didn’t penalize the team.
As I was told by the Bahrain federation president Kamal was caught in Bahrain 2004 in the asian championship but paul chua let it slide. Bahrain’s team didn’t mind at the time cause most of their players were competing in what was not their category.
*Tariq was 91.5KG and did the below 90KG
*Mohammed was 85.5 and did the under 80KG
*Ali Tabrizi was 89KG but was forced to do the over 90 KG so Tariq would get the gold
*Gold medalists in the mentioned categories
Also Tariq announced loudly after the show that 12 competitors failed the test in the 2004 championship but Paul Chua only announced 5 names.
___________________ _ ____
Paul made hell of money from Qatar that why none of their athletes ever failed the test; until after the Asian games. He got a lot of money, recognition from IFBB that he is the best person in Asia to handle the sport after what they saw in Asian Games in 2006 (where Qatar’s Olympic Organization did all of that to attract get the approval to host the Olympic games in 2016 and FIFA World Cup in 2018) and brought over Rafael and Ben to show off what he did. He also had a guy from Qatar as the president of the ABBF and got a lot of money out of him personally as well.
Now it is Bahrain’s turn. He failed Kamal in the test intentionally just to clear ground for the Bahrain team. They paid US$100000 for the gold medals and they will be hosting the Worlds next year and a lot of the officials will receive fat payments in cash as promised by Bahrain’s federation.
So the victories they got this year will repeat again in 2008 and non of the Bahrain team will test positive although all of them were juiced to the bone.
Paul dropped Qatar like a bad habit and now it is Bahrain’s turn to be close to the ABBF until further notice when Paul finds him self another gold egg lying Duck.
By now every one knows that it was a setup and I posted the results 1 day earlier and it was as I said. This is the video of the under 90KG category. I cant say the judges are blinder than Stevy Wonder cause even if they were they couldn’t have placed him 1st. My vote goes to Bogdan Szczotka.
http://www.eastlabs.biz/data/video/686.wmv
strange things that happened in the show was. Sazali bin Samad in the 70KG category even though he weighed 66KG ( he could have dropped the 1 kg easily. Anwar Al-Ammawi in the 60 KG category ??
all of these are for the first time cause they were instructed by Paul Chua to guarantee medals. Cause Jose Carlo Santos of Brazil was Promised gold cause the declined the offer of Brazil hosting the World Championship. 1st they wanted it in 2005 and competed against Korea. Of course Korea got it and Santos got gold.
Then went next year but Bahrain showed up and again they gave it to an Asian country and promised Brazil gold in 2007. The agreement with the Brazilian federation was to give them 3 gold medals for Santos so in 2008 they should win again.
I agreed with you and now Rafael want all the money himself and that's why he and Paul Chua fighting and put Adel in this new position. Now Qatar giving huge money out to Rafael, we can expect Qatar won't get banned and their team members are no need to test.
I heard many IFBB officials are start alert on these and problem start for them internally.
Rafael the most corrupt offficial in the world, he took money to bring the Qatar BB federation back on the stage, and removed the suspension of Kamal from life banned to one year. What a SHAME for IFBB president. Kamal must be banned for life for his second offence ( 2004, and 2007 ).
Rafael and Adel both crook, and corrupt, and took money from Qatar 200.000 US $, what you call this???
they never lost long time in their position, let them be happy for few month.
ADEL FAHIM EL SAYED, IFBB EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT
Adel Fahim, IFBB Vice President for Africa, will carry now the responsibilities of Executive Assistant to the President; replacing Paul Chua in this position; that includes a dense program of activities, demanding a heavy amount of working time in close coordination with the IFBB Headquarters.
President Santonja with his newly appointed Executive Assistant in the IFBB, Dr Adel Fahim el Sayed
This is a dirty e-mail from Tony Blinn (Chairman of IFBB Anti-Doping Committee) to Rafael Santonja (IFBB President), You can see how DIRTY they are!!!
Dear Rafael,
Further to my e-mail below, I should have mentioned that, at first glance, I'd pick option #1. I believe the IFBB Anti-Doping Committee is not empowered or authorized to make decisions that are outside the IFBB Anti-Doping Rules and WADA Code. This committee, in my opinion, must only operate within the narrow confines of the aforementioned Rules and WADC. To me, this is the proper and right thing to do.
The right to a constitutional appeal directly to the IFBB President is every member's right and, to allow this to go forward is to show how well our democracy works. Only the President should have the right to reduce Santos' suspension to a period other than what's called for in the Rules.
Therefore, I would suggest the following course of action:
1. Allow the hearing decision and two-year suspension from the ADC to stand as is.
2. Send this decision to Santos via Pagnani and advise 1) that Santos should immediately appeal to the President under article 20.1 of the IFBB Constitution, and 2) that Santos should ask for leniency and a reduction to one-year as fair and just compensation for the wrongful disqualification from the finals of the World Championships.
3. Advise Pagnani and Santos that the hearing decision is to remain confidential [will not be publicly released] pending his appeal decision.
4. This will give you some time to craft a written appeal decision.
Keep in mind that a one-year suspension would run from November 6, 2008 to November 5, 2009 inclusive. In Dubai, November 4 is the Weigh-in; November 5 is the Prejudging; November 6 is the Finals. Because his suspension must end in time for the Weigh-in, you could suspend him for "one year less a day".
I really believe that the appeal process is the best way to go.
Best regards,
Tony
Now they after we exposed everything they have no choice........
Dear President/General Secretary,
Malaysian Bodybuilding Federation
The IFBB is pleased to inform you that, as a result of doping controls conducted at the IFBB Men´s World Bodybuilding Championships – Manama – Bahrain – November 2nd to 7th, 2008, athlete Sazali Abdul Samad has been officially awarded the third (3rd) place.
The IFBB bronze Athlete's Medal will be sent to you in due course.
The IFBB wishes to extend its congratulations to the athlete Sazali Abdul Samad.
The final results of the above mentioned championships with the change in placing is already posted on the ifbb.com website.
Sincerely yours,
Mauricio de Arruda Campos
IFBB Anti-Doping Committee
Few of us knew anything about the legal, fiscal and financial situation of the IFBB.
In March 2009 I heard for the first time in my life, that the International Federation of Bodybuilding and Fitness is not an International Sports Federation, but a Canadian non profit organization named international Federation of Bodybuilders Inc.”.
...
Why the silence ? hmmm ..........
What were you expecting? And from who?
If the guy is crooked, he should be removed...no one has stated anything different from day one.
so when is he going to be removed and someone competent and not corrupt going to take charge and clean up all this bullshit that has ruined IFBB bodybuilding
What were you expecting? And from who?
If the guy is crooked, he should be removed...no one has stated anything different from day one.
The AFBB as a whole has been suspended, not just Paul "$$$" Chua. This is a drastic move on behalf of the IFBB and i'll predict right here and now that it won't just be the AFBB and its associates that will take the fall.
The silence from the so-called experts and insiders on this topic speaks volumes !!!!!!!!
cuz ABBF is officially affiliated organization in Asia while IFBB is private run business firm and not affiliated fedration like ABBF.
The AFBB as a whole has been suspended, not just Paul "$$$" Chua. This is a drastic move on behalf of the IFBB and i'll predict right here and now that it won't just be the AFBB and its associates that will take the fall.
The silence from the so-called experts and insiders on this topic speaks volumes !!!!!!!!
Who do you believe these "experts" on IFBB amateur asin bodybuilding and the ABBF are?
No one knows the subject...thats the point
That's why I'm curious to know just who you believe to be "experts" on the situation?
do you think you are next in the list of corrupt people?¡
If you know of some corruption, feel free to list
the problem with that is there is no overall Asian government to officially recognize anything. One country may recognize the IFBB, another may recognize NABBA, another WFF, and many governments don't recognize anything.
and if the ABBF was really a sports federation, that would mean its executives are elected by its members.
term limits. that's what we need. no more presidents for life.
i dont think all other fedrations u mention even come close to ifbb worth and popularity specially in pro rank.
Read the letter posted
LOL
Bobby Chicky Boom Boom's house of cards is rapidly crumbling
Bob has discovered that his castle stands upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand
Today we received a letter from the IFBB/EFBB financial controller.
The material can be the first step to the END of the IFBB/EFBB.
--- On Fri, 3/27/09, Fair Play <ifbbeurope@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Fair Play <ifbbeurope@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: IFBB/EBFF/Asociacion Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFIFF)/Federacion Europea de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFEFF)
To: andre.wouters1@scarlet.be
Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 1:31 AM
--- On Thu, 26/3/09, lawfirm.bauer <lawfirm.bauer@chello.at> wrote:
From: lawfirm.bauer <lawfirm.bauer@chello.at>
Subject: IFBB/EBFF/Asociacion Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFIFF)/Federacion Europea de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFEFF)
To: p.filleborn@neostrada.pl, albert@busek.de, dubinin@fbfr.ru, wanda.tierney@ukonline.co.uk, abbfasia@yahoo.com.sg, spbbf@slingshot.co.nz, pkagan@ifbbprofessionalleague.com, tblinn@ifbbpro.com, efbb@tedata...net.eg, ifbbcaribbean@msn.com, eweider@weiderpub.com, aquilesdecesare@hotmail.com, ehderose@terra.com.br, pcgraham@ozemail.com.au, bettomondello@libero.it
Date: Thursday, 26 March, 2009, 9:59 PM
Dr. Rafael Santonja
IFBB President
Calle Jaén, N0. 8
28020 Madrid
SPANIEN
20th March 2009/Mag.B/KR
EBFF
Reference: IFBB/EBFF/Asociacion Federacion Internacional de
Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFIFF)/Federacion Europea de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFEFF)
Dear Rafael,
Dear Jose,
I am responding to your various emails of 17th March, 14th March (17:42 hours; 17:49 hours), 10th March and 20th Februar. The information you are providing in these emails is far from being satisfactory. On the contrary it is becoming more and more obvious, that there is a huge problem with legal status, financial management, tax declarations and reliability of the officers in charge of the financial management of IFBB and EBFF.
Although I have asked you again in my email of 18th February 2009 (sent on 3rd March 2009) the following documents
- all bank statements of EBFF - accounts 2007/2008
- all bank statements of IFBB – accounts 2007/2008
- spread sheet of income/expenditures of EBFF 2007/2008
- spread sheet of income/expenditures IFBB 2007/2008
- all signed sponsorship contracts of EBFF and IFBB with sponsors
- all contracts pertaining to “professional services” mentioned in the IFBB financial report to the Congress of the IFBB in Manama 2008
- all signed Contracts between EBFF and IFBB pertaining to intellectual property rights (TV – broadcast agreements, etc.)
- all documents pertaining to the protection of the intellectual property rights for IFBB and EBFF name and logo
- documents that prove, that EBFF and IFBB have a tax exempt status
- documents that prove, that the IFBB website is owned by the IFBB
- list of countries that have already applied for membership in Asociacion - Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo y Fitness by signing the
- “Certificate of Membership to the IFBB” allegedly prepared by Javier Sanchez
still have not been sent to me in order to control the financial management of the Federations EBFF and IFBB. This leads me to believe, that you want to conceal everything and that the claim, that “the accounts with bank conciliations and all the details are fully available for you; and Jose is at your disposal for any detailed double check on every issue” (your email of 10th march 2009, 20:04 hours, 2nd page 5th paragraph from the bottom) is an untruthful statement.
1. International Federation of Bodybuilders Inc. (IFBB Inc...):
In your email of 10th march 2009 you refer to Mr. Luc Audet, who - allegedly – claims, that all monies (of IFBB Inc.) “were sent to Dr. Santonja, to my knowledge”.
So that means that the money from IFBB Inc. went to your private account? If that is true, that is very problematic. If transacted in a lawful way any money donated from IFBB Inc. to its successors should be transferred to a fiduciary account/trust account held for a new legal body to be created for the purpose of becoming the legal successor of International Federation of Bodybuilders Inc. Please send me the banking details (name and address of the bank, account number, owner of the account), the money from International Federation of Bodybuilders Inc. was transferred to (allegedly this was your account?).
International Federation of Bodybuilder Inc. being a non-for-profit organisation makes it appear very strange, that before its alleged dissolution properties were taken out and transferred into the property of another organisation – like it allegedly happened in 2005 with the segregation of assets of amateur and professional activities within the IFBB. According to the Joint Declaration it was definitely not the intention to donate the funds of International Federation of Bodybuilders Inc. to Dr. Rafael Santonja, let alone the fact, that these “agreements” were negotiated and concluded without involving most of the members of the IFBB Executive Council.
Was the Canadian tax revenue system informed about these agreements (especially the documents you sent me with your fax of 26th January 2007 and the Joint Declaration of July 2007)?
2. Asociacion - Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo y Fitness (AFIFF):
In your email of 14th March 2009 (17:42 hours) you write:
“There is as well a bank account on behalf of the Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo y Fitness (IFBB).”
If that information is correct, that means, that this account was opened behind my back? There was never an Executive Council or Congress Meeting of Asociacion Federacion Internacional de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness (AFIFF).
Who made the decision to have a bank account and why I was not informed?
Send me please the opening documents of this account and all bank statements so far.
Whose money is on this account?
If it is an account of AFIFF, this corporation owns the money that is on this account and not the IFBB as per Constitution 2008 – Edition with the Executive Council elected on 29th October 2006!!!
3. Asociacion - Federacion Europea de Fisicoculturismo y Fitness (AFEFF):
The same situation applies for EBFF. The Spanish corporation founded behind the back of most EBFF Executive Council members and the EBFF Congress in 2008 (Federacion Europea de Fisicoculturismo ý Fitness - AFEFF) has no right to collect money for the EBFF that was founded 2002 in Minsk!
When you mentioned, that EBFF accounts shall be audited by two members of the Congress, how can that apply to an account of a different organisation nobody knew about – except you, William Tierney, Jose Ramos and Philippe Lefelle – AFEFF. It will be interesting to see, what documents Ivano Bianchi and Walter van den Branden have checked and if the claim of Jose, that they found, that the accounts are correct and in full compliance with the international regulations for accounting, is true.
4. Secret foundation of AFEFF:
Why it was concealed at the Executive Council and Congress meetings in Playa D’Aro in May 2008, that the corporation AFEFF was founded? If the foundation of this corporation was made with the best intentions, why then the EBFF Executive Council and Congress were not informed? Nothing about the foundation of that corporation was mentioned in the President’s report.
In your email of 14th March 2009 you write “EBFF has an opened account in its name since January 2003; attached you have a copy of the first bank statement from that time...”
This email did not contain any attachment!! I have not received this bank statement!!
If it is true, that in Spain a bank account can be opened on an association as soon as the statutes (bylaws) are presented, did you inform the bank later on, that a registration with the initial bylaws could not be achieved?
Why was this information withheld to EBFF Executive Council and EBFF Congress members?
I am legal adviser of EBFF since the foundation of this federation and have never heard about any problems with registration and/or bank accounts.
5. Further measures:
I consider it necessary to extent the investigation pertaining to financial management to the period from the foundation of the EBFF at the Congress in Minsk up to this day and propose to immediately strike a committee for the purpose of analysing the legal, fiscal and financial situation of the EBFF since its foundation and report its findings and recommendations as soon as possible to the EBFF Executive Council and Congress.
6. Tax situation:
Did the EBFF /IFBB/AFIFF/AFEFF ever file tax declarations? I am not talking only about value added tax (VAT) but about income and/or corporation taxes!
Who is responsible by Spanish law to file tax declarations for AFIFF and AFEFF?
Talking about the “tax-exempt-status” of EBFF and IFBB (do you mean AFIFF and AFEFF?) I found it quite amusing, that Jose sent me a declaration of his own, that he confirms, that both organisations don’t have to pay value added tax. I would be more relaxed, if the Spanish tax revenue system can issue such a document.
As far as I know nobody in the IFBB/EBFF ever saw a detailed list of income and expenditures connected with a clear documentation referencing every single position of income and expenditures. I doubt that such a documentation exists, because otherwise I would see no reason, why you would not have forwarded me at least the excel spreadsheets of such documentations. With computer generated accounting it is very easy to send such accounting quickly by email or fax to anyone who requests information about the accounting and fiscal management of a corporation. When you assert that you have done all that in a perfect way, why you don’t send me these documents and lists of income/expenditures so I can check myself?
When you write in your email of 14th march 2009, that there is no financial connection between IFBB and EBFF, this is obviously wrong, because you concede that sponsorship money and costs for office expenditures, secretary etc. is shared between IFBB and EBFF.
It is both funny and strange, that you do not even mention the accounts of EBFF and IFBB (bank name/account number), you only mentioned, that the accounts “are known to members”. If the accounts of IFBB and EBFF are run under the names of AFIFF and AFEFF these are different organisations with different members, a different Executive Council and a different Constitution.
Your “explanations” are full of contradictions and confusions.
Attached please find the 3 documents pertaining to “Money flow in the IFBB” and “Money flow in the EBFF”, containing the different persons/organisations possibly involved in the money flow.
Will you please be so kind as to explain which way the money goes from IFBB/EBFF members and IFBB/EBFF contractual partners (sponsors, licensees, organisers) to IFBB as per Constitution 2008 – edition with Executive Council elected on 29th October 2006, EBFF, AFIFF, AFEFF, IFBB Canada, Dr. Rafael Santonja (and/or companies owned and/or controlled by him), Priscila Arce and any other IFBB and/or EBFF officials?
7. website Welcome to IFBB
I know that “Network Solutions LLC” is not the “owner” of the IFBB website, but the domain registrar. Fact is, that from the registration of the website it is not possible to identify who the owner of the website is. Therefore I am asking you again: who is the owner of this website?
- IFBB Canada
- AFIFF
- IFBB as per Constitution 2008 – edition with Executive Council elected 29th October 2006
- other legal entity
I would like to see documentary proof of the ownership of this website. In which way the name and logo of the IFBB are protected? Who owns the name and the logo of the IFBB?
- Ben Weider´s Heirs
- IFBB Canada
- AFIFF
- IFBB as per Constitution 2008 – edition with Executive Council elected 29th October 2006 as group without official registration
- other legal entity
Which intellectual property rights pertaining to IFBB and EBFF have you registered in your own name or in the name of one of your companies? Can you send me a detailed list of the properties/assets of
- AFIFF
- AFEFF
- IFBB Canada
8. Dr. Rafael Santonja and his companies – sponsor of EBFF/IFBB:
You are writing, your companies are providing money, services and voluntary work at any moment (your email of 17th February 2009). Can you please give me documentary proof, that you or your companies had donated money to EBFF/IFBB? To be precise in the EBFF in 2007 according to the financial report of Jose Ramos we had income from sponsors in an amount of € 37.129,00. How much from this money was sponsored by your companies? On the other side of the coin in the same year EBFF had expenses for administration and accounting service of € 3.021,00, flight tickets and hotels of € 30.513,48, bank expenses of € 1.517,00, printing and publicity presents, DVD reproduction costs of € 13.127,96, costs for professional services, EBFF webpage and EBFF magazine € 25.312,00, costs for office equipment, stationary, post expenses, informatic equipment and so on of € 2.259,00 etc. How much money from the expenses went directly or indirectly from the EBFF/IFBB back to your companies?
Was the production of the EBFF magazine done by your company?
Did your company receive money for that? If yes, how much and when?
According to the 2008 EBFF financial report you want to charge the EBFF backdated to 1st January 2008 with € 6.000,00 for office, € 6.000,00 for telephone, € 24.300,00 for salaries, € 7.700,00 for other expenses and € 5.000,00 for printing materials as well as € 26.100,00 for hotels and trips?
That looks as if not you are sponsoring EBFF, but quite contrary EBFF is sponsoring you!
Not only you or your companies have expenses when it comes to provide services for EBFF/IFBB. Most working Executive Council members also have telephone costs, office costs, need to pay salaries to employees who provide work for IFBB/EBFF – they shall get nothing?
In the IFBB financial report of the year 2007 among the income a sponsorship (hardcore) in an amount of USD 100.680,87 was mentioned as IFBB income. When was this money paid and into which account?
9. Personal attacks:
Your defence strategy – ordering other executives to write to me nasty emails in order to stop me from bringing “light into the darkness” are counter productive. I know, that some of the executives did not even write these emails by themselves and called me after sending them to apologize explaining what kind of pressure/sweet talking from your side was done to get these emails sent. These problems cannot be solved with hatred and emotions. These problems have to be dealt with objectively with consideration of all facts. Secret meetings, hiding and concealing as well as inciting other officials to write to me in a hostile manner, contribute nothing to solve this unpleasant situation. These desperate actions only confirm the feeling that you deem every measure justified that prevents this bogus game to be revealed.
Kind regards
Axel
encls.
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ÖABBV-IFBB/Austria
Mag. Axel Bauer
Präsident
Favoritenstrasse 26/6
1040 Wien
Tel.: +43 1/ 710 54 99-0
Fax +43 1/ 710 54 99-9
E-Mail: lawfirm.bauer@chello.at
From: Ifbb Pro <ifbb@rocketmail.com>
Subject: CHEATING, BULLYING AND DICTACTORSHIP WILL NOT WORK ANYMORE
To: pierre.scatolini@ifbb-news.com, lawfirm.bauer@chello.at, internacional@santonja.com, abbfasia@yahoo.com.sg, wanda.tierney@ukonline.co.uk, ehderose@terra.com.br, eweider@weiderpub.com, pkagan@ifbbprofessionalleague.com, tblinn@ifbbpro.com
Date: Saturday, 28 March, 2009, 7:09 PM
Dear IFBB Executive Members:
I have been very patient. Time is running out to a point that I am forced to report this matter to the following authorities on Monday:
1. Interpol
2. Madrid police
3. Montreal police
All those people who are involved in the scam must be brought to justice. All documents which I received will be sent to the three departments.
The IFBB Corporation must be transparent. They are hiding and keeping everything a secret for their personal benefit.
As an ardent supporter of EBBF, I would not want to be hauled and questioned by the police in my country.
I feel insecure after reading all the emails coming from the various people in the IFBB and EBBF.
cc.
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Epic shit going down.
DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE ABBF
I FEEL IT IS MY DUTY TO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND AS TO WHY THE "IFBB" IS ACTING DESPERATELY TO REMOVE ME AND TO SUSPEND ALL OUR ABBF EXECUTIVE MEMBERS FOR ONE YEAR AS PER THE CIRCULAR LETTER SENT BY ADEL FAHIM, "EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TO THE IFBB PRESIDENT" A COPY OF WHICH I HAVE WITH ME WRITTEN IN ARABIC AND TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH.
ANOTHER LETTER WAS SENT BY WILLIAM TIERNEY AS WELL.
RAFAEL AVOIDED IN SENDING THIS EMAIL AS HE KNOW THE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES INVOLVED.
HE CANNOT SIMPLY SUSPEND A CONTINENTAL FEDERATION, SINCE THEIR HOUSE IS NOT IN ORDER AND THEY HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER US, WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT THEM.
ABBF UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED BY MANY ASIAN COUNTRIES, AND IF A COMMITTEE IS FORMED BY RAFAEL'S GROUP WE WILL ELIMINATE THEM.
WE HAVE SPOKEN TO OUR LAWYERS IN LONDON AND THEY HAVE ASKED US TO CONTINUE WITH OUR WORK, AND IF RAFAEL AND HIS GROUP DISTURB US WE WILL TAKE LEGAL ACTION, THEY CANNOT DICTATATE AS WE HAD ALREADY PROCEEDED WITH OUR LEGAL PROCEEDINGS LAST MONTH.
THERE WAS NO NATURAL JUSTICE AND NO FAIR HEARING GIVEN TO ALL OF US.
IN THIS DEMOCRATIC AND CIVILISED WORLD NO INTERNATIONAL FEDERATION WILL SUSPEND A CONTINENTAL FEDERATION OR ITS EXECUTIVE MEMBERS WITHOUT A FAIR HEARING.
THEY SUSPENDED US BECAUSE OF THE 2005 DOPING CASES.
WE DID SUSPEND ALL THE ATHLETES AND EXCEPT FOR THE 3 HONGKONG ATHLETES THEIR SUSPENSION WERE REDUCED FROM 2 YEARS TO A YEAR WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE LATE BEN WEIDER AND THE IFBB. WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE LATE BEN WEIDER TO PROVE. IFBB ALSO REDUCED THE SUSPENSION OF 2 ATHLETES FROM QATAR BY ACCEPTING US$10,000 FOR EACH OFFENCE FROM 2 YEARS TO 8 MONTHS. I HAVE ALL THE PAPERS WITH ME TO SHOW PROOF.
ABBF WILL NOT BE THE SERVANT OF THE "IFBB" NO MATTER WHAT, WE WILL CONTINUE WITH OUR DUTY AND ACTIVITIES AS USUAL AND WE WILL ORGANISE OUR CHAMPIONSHIPS ON OUR OWN TO PROMOTE THIS SPORT.
I WOULD CALL UPON YOU TO STAND STRONG AND DO NOT GIVE WAY TO PRESSURE BECAUSE THIS "IFBB GROUP" IS STILL IN LIMBO BETWEEN HEAVEN AND HELL, AND THEY HAVE NOT PICKED THE COURAGE TO REPLY THE EMAIL WHICH MR. AXEL BAUER SENT TO THEM.
WHY?
THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE ACCOUNTS OF THE IFBB.
AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE IFBB CORPORATION IS NOT THE SAME AS PUBLISHED IN THEIR WEBSITE???
BE BRAVE AND STAND TALL AGAINST THEIR THREATS AND SUSPENSIONS ..
WE CANNOT BE COWED AROUND.
PLEASE READ THE LETTER SHOWN BELOW AND DIGEST SO THAT YOU WILL KNOW THE ACTUAL REASON WHY MR. RAFAEL SANTONJA IS NOT ANSWERING?
THE IFBB WAS REGISTERED UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME AND ALSO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE IFBB AND THE REGISTERED CORPORATIONS ARE NOT THE SAME.
THIS IS A BUSINESS CORPORATION.
RAFAEL IS SILENCING ME BECAUSE HE IS AFRAID THAT AT THE CONGRESS I WILL CHALLENGE HIM AND HE FEEL THAT BY SUSPENDING ALL MEMBERS OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMIT TE OF THE ABBF , HE CAN DO AS AS HE WISH, NOBODY TO QUESTION HIM.
IF HE IS A BRAVE MAN, HE SHOULD NOT USE THIS DIRTY TACTIC TO SUSPEND ME AND THE ABBF.
THE EXCUSE OF DOPING MATTERS IS A PRETEXT, AND WE WILL WRITE TO WADA AND CHECK IF THIS IS TRUE OR FALSE. IT WAS THE IFFB THAT SET THE PRECEDENT OF REDUCING SUSPENSIONS, AND WE DID WITH THE CONSENT OF THE THE LATE IFBB PRESIDENT AND ALSO RAFAEL AND PAMELA WERE INFORMED. WHY THEY DID NOT OBJECT AT THAT TIME, THEY WENT ALONG WITH THE DECISION WHICH WAS MADE BY BEN.
MORE DOCUMENTS WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU SOON.
WE HAVE SOLID EVIDENCES
IF YOU RECEIVE ANY EMAIL OR LETTER FROM THE" IFBB" PLEASE IGNORE THEM AND CONTACT THE ABBF SECRETARY-GENERAL FOR CLARIFICATION BEFORE YOU REPLY THEM. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN BE UNITED AND STRONG.
IF YOUR OLYMPIC COMMITTEE OR ANY DEPARTMENTS WERE TO CALL YOU FOR EXPLANATIONS, PLEASE SHOW THEM THESE EMAILS AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THE "IFBB" LEGAL STATUS IS IN QUESTION?
AND THEIR FINANCIAL PROBLEM IS IN A MESS.
PRINT OUT ALL THE DOCUMENTS WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN RECEIVING ABOUT THE IFBB LATELY AND HAND OVER TO THEM.
OUR PRESIDENT MR. OSAMA ALSHAFAR HAVE ASKED ME TO TELL YOU THAT WE WILL FIGHT ON WITH THIS DESTRUCTIVE GROUP AND WILL NOT RETREAT.
LONG LIVE ASI
PAUL CHUA
SECRETARY-GENERAL/TREASURER - ABBF
No one knows the subject...thats the point
That's why I'm curious to know just who you believe to be "experts" on the situation?
You've been lying just a little bit now have you Chick ?
Anyhoo, I provided the subject(s) and I think you're smart enough to fill in the blanks as far as "experts/insiders" are concerned.
Chick, the problem is that we can't really tell when you're speaking as a representative of the IFBB Pro League, or as the athletic representative to the IFBB Pro League, or as a representative of Bodybuilding.com, or as a representative of the NPC, or as a private individual.
Last summer you went on and on about people being suspended by the NPC and putting their pro career at risk by entering a non-IFBB pro contest. which hat were you wearing at that time?
in this forum you've often posted about what Milos and Lee did wrong. that sounds like you're speaking as Manion's representative. Yet I've never seen you post anything that could be considered advocating the athlete's point of view or critical of management.
How long until you rep Milos back into the IFBB?
Need anymore clarification?
How long until you rep Milos back into the IFBB?
I did all I could do for Milos, wrote his appeal letter and submitted it...offered on 3 occasions to help him with a subsequent letter applying for re-instatement...
it seems like your role as athletic rep is to help the athletes kiss up to the powers that be. "I'm sorry for rocking the boat. Please let me back in."
How about advocating that Milos had a valid complaint, that previous accusations that 'followed protocol' were just swept under the rug, and that Milos should not be punished for looking out for the best interest of the athletes and the organization to which they belong.
What makes you think YOU have any knowledge of what I do, or who I have discussion with concerning matters of the Pro League?
hmmm, hundreds of posts touting the company line. never a post critical of management. lots of posts criticizing other athletes.
does that means that when ever you speak in public you're a representative of the IFBB executive committee, and only in private are you the athletic rep?
Ouch, man!
You're starting to sound as clueless as Basile
poor bob...when it rains it really pours for mr movie star
bob the coldplay song vida la vida reminds me of what youre going through now:
I used to rule the world
Seas would rise when I gave the word
Now in the morning I sleep alone
Sweep the streets I used to own
I used to roll the dice
Feel the fear in my enemy's eyes
Listen as the crowd would sing:
"Now the old king is dead! Long live the king!"
One minute I held the key
Next the walls were closed on me
And I discovered that my castles stand
Upon pillars of salt, and pillars of sand
I hear Jerusalem bells are ringing
Roman cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can't explain
Once you know there was never, never an honest word
That was when I ruled the world
It was the wicked and wild wind
Blew down the doors to let me in
Shattered windows and the sound of drums
People couldn't believe what I'd become
Revolutionaries wait
For my head on a silver plate
Just a puppet on a lonely string
Oh who would ever want to be king?
I hear Jerusalem bells are ringing
Roman cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can't explain
I know Saint Peter won't call my name
Never an honest work
But that was when I ruled the world
(Ohhhh Ohhh Ohhh)
Hear Jerusalem bells are ringing
Roman cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can't explain
I know Saint Peter will call my name
Never an honest word
But that was when I ruled the world
(Oooooh Oooooh Oooooh)
thats a classic hit bob...def a song from a movie that has stood the test of time
Cool....here is one that describes you to a "T"
I could wile away the hours
Conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain
And my head I'd be scratchin'
While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain
I'd unravel any riddle
For any individ'le
In trouble or in pain
(Dorothy)
With the thoughts you'd be thinkin'
You could be another Lincoln
If you only had a brain
(Scarecrow)
Oh, I would tell you why
The ocean's near the shore
I could think of things I never thunk before
And then I'd sit and think some more
I would not be just a nuffin'
My head all full of stuffin'
My heart all full of pain
I would dance and be merry
Life would be a ding-a-derry
If I only had a brain
Once again...I dont need posts critiqing management....Yet you feel you need posts critiquing the actions of the "athletes" you represent? :-\
It is extremely interesting that people criticizing Bob are not athletes. The Fact is that Bob goes beyond his duties may I add for FREE to help, not only PRO competitor, but Amateur competitors. Bob has spend thousand of hours advicing,Mentoring,promoting and instituting new rules that help athletes AGAIN on his OWN TIME. It is an insult to criticize a Guy that does so much on daily basis for the sport he loves for free. For God sake he even comes in here...and subjets himself to the most ignorant post for the fans....
Yet you feel you need posts critiquing the actions of the "athletes" you represent? :-\
If he doesn't want the "athletes rep" position, he should give it to someone who cares about the "athletes", like Milos.
It is a volunteer position right? He's not getting paid? I hope.
I don't set out and initiate critique of other athletes, it's 99.9% of the time in response to THEIR comments. If you can find unsolicited comments I've made which support your opinion, please feel free to show everyoneI'd rather see you show everyone how much of an "athletes" rep you are by sticking up for your "athletes" publicly, instead of claiming to do it behind closed doors.
Taking cheapshots at someone while they're performing headstand splits is low. :-\Maybe Chick is jealous he can't stand on his head and do the splits ???
If he doesn't want the "athletes rep" position, he should give it to someone who cares about the "athletes", like Milos. It is a volunteer position right? He's not getting paid? I hope.
No idea if Milos will be reinstated...don't know the status (if any) in regards to Sami.
Besides being a fraud, Paul is a great comedian too he should team up with Chic
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No idea if Sun will shine either Pinocchio?
Why don't you ask papa Geppetto?
I see that you used my absence from the IFBB to change the rules...(posing round scoring...)...And as soon as I come back - I'll ask you to provide list of IFBB pros voting for that change...for example...
Yes, I am coming back...and coming back for good...Plus, I am not finished yet...There are few more issues that I have...but this time I'll follow "code of conduct" to a "T"...as I am still suspended (somehow...???...hmmm...after getting ONE YEAR suspension that is now almost 3 years old...)... for what exactly?
What "waffling" do you see?
I've never taken any stance on the matter, as I wasn't there. That said, I told Milos from day one that I wasn't questioning what he seen, or his observations, but the course taken which ultimately led to his suspension
It wasn't my call either way...all I did was write up Milos' appeal.
Get your facts straight or stay out of the subject
Stupid is what stupid does...
Ignorance is NOT good excuse...in ethical and moral world...that is...
You never questioned IF ...WHAT exactly - Bob? IF I am telling the truth? What that truth really is...WHAT EXACTLY Bob?
You never questioned IF someone is/was dead - or cared enough to realize that someone...could have been you...under some different circumstances...some IFBB brother or sister of iron or Nation or even "Continent of Iron"(!?!), could have been dead...killed...raped and massacred (as apparently that has been happening for quite some time there - in our Asian and Middle Eastern counterpart of our beloved IFBB Federation...you know - one that I have competed 72 times as a pro [how many shows have you entered? How many shows have you entered Internationally?] and lets just emphasize: KILLED DOING HIS JOB - IN what suppose to be THE - MOST PROMINENT Federation and...what's even more disturbing and certainly THE - worst: DURING THE SECOND BIGGEST SPORTING EVENT in this Universe (after Olympic Games)..., it was the course taken - that mattered?
If I witnessed a murder in Doha...but had nothing other than MY WORD OF HONOR - to report to officials (to remind you I called Rafael directly - after first day of competition and before the second/final day...) - what would be matter of higher importance: investigating the death or my "inappropriate course" or supposedly breach of "code of ethics"...
What is the CODE when you are witnessing ORGANIZED CRIME WITH practically - worse than a murder...?!?!
There are numerous measures that IFBB could have made at that time...and I could have all the PROOFS in my hands BEFORE I returned to US - IF I would have Presidents word of authority to collect: doping test, official weigh-in results and ORIGINAL SCORE SHEETS...
I don't need your absence to change anything...or your reinstatement for that matter...I don't answer to you.
As for your suspension, if you havent figured out by now what you were suspended for...I can't explain it any easier than the letter you received.
(somehow...???...hmmm...after getting ONE YEAR suspension that is now almost 3 years old...)... for what exactly?This guy is interested:
Well, you tried HERE ON THIS BOARD to call IFBB pros to vote for "no scoring posing round " change - that I stopped you - at the time...
Maybe someone with more time could find that link...
So, I guess that change is recently implemented...without VOTING or knowledge of all the IFBB pros...?
As for my suspension, if you havent figured out by now Bob - what I was suspended for...
...I purposely LET YOU DISCUSS that issue, with me publicly - to show WHO YOU REALLY ARE...Who you are (ignorant to the point of - puppet, thus your nick-name fits so perfectly...) what you do (superficially doing whatever job you think you are doing - Job that certainly DOESN'T even remotely resemble ATHLETES REPRESENTATIVE JOB - by any means...) or how you are doing it (blindly following instructions - but NOT athletes instructions...+ brainlessly NOT THINKING about a SINGLE IMPORTANT FACT or ISSUE - you should be concerned about - as respectable, honorable, honest, exemplary citizen...not to mention anything else...)
Well, that is that - must go to work...
Say hi to...never mind...
I can't explain it any easier than the letter you received.
And you're right, stupid is as stupid does...like taking matters into your own hands and getting suspended, which only served to extend this debacle out even longer...
Well, you tried HERE ON THIS BOARD to call IFBB pros to vote for "no scoring posing round " change - that I stopped you - at the time...
Maybe someone with more time could find that link...
It was deleted, it's still on your forum though
http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=3591.0
Nothing was ever deleted on the matter
Chick, you're more defensive than Governor Blagojevich. Is there something?This? :-*
Chick joins the good citizens of Germany during WWII who honestly had no idea what was going on. Chick is totally and completely innocent of all charges! Gotta love his consistency. Give the guy an IFBB award because he sure earned it.
Typical company guy in a corrupt organization.
Chick, you're more defensive than Governor Blagojevich. Is there something?
Let's see if I got this right. Milos saw some foul play re contest fixing in an important contest so alerted the IFBB president. Milos got suspended for his trouble. A couple years later Paul Chua gets a 1 year suspension. Ah, those tricky 1 year suspensions that go on and on. Seems to me Milos is innocent of all charges and deserves an apology plus a reward for his exposure of corruption. Chick, is unaware of anything that Milos is talking about. Well, Chick is a self-confessed outsider who has no idea what is going on in the IFBB. This is truly the theatre of the absurd.
As an "athletes" rep, you should be answering to the "athletes"........but we know who pulls your strings, huh, Pinocchio? ;)
I don't need your absence to change anything...or your reinstatement for that matter...I don't answer to you.
As for your suspension, if you havent figured out by now what you were suspended for...I can't explain it any easier than the letter you received.
Caring about the athletes? Being suspended, attacking everything is not going to get the athletes anything. Working within the system, trying to build up cornerstones, relationships and building up is what matters. Bob cares, and is always there whenever someone calls him to discuss something.
The fact is that the athletes in the last few years have had more prize money, more sponsorship money, and more chances at doing well in the sport than every before.
People forget that less than 10 years ago, it was vastly different.
Anything beneficial to the athletes happened because of Bob C. Anything bad is not his fault because he knew nothing about it. Sort of sums up the IFBB completely.HAHAHAHAHhahaaah Quoted for truthfulness. 8)
1) Why do you think Bob comes here to getbig and runs down the "athletes" and thier actions, yet never speaks ill of the IFBB? He is suppose to be on the "athletes" side, right?i though he was the company man
2) How much of the prize money is really Bob's doing?
WHat the IFBB did to MIlos is 100% wrong. they actually suspended him, he loses money in someway from that and considered Milos guilty of lying or whatever. Now it looks like Milos was right all along (which everyone else felt he was too) Chua gets suspended. Milos should be reinstated a public apology from Weider himself and the IFBB and also some sort of financial restitution for the potential income Milos lost and the bad mark he got on his reputation. No matter what the IFBB and Weider should answer to this immediately and fix this.oh and sue for damages
WHat the IFBB did to MIlos is 100% wrong. they actually suspended him, he loses money in someway from that and considered Milos guilty of lying or whatever. Now it looks like Milos was right all along (which everyone else felt he was too) Chua gets suspended. Milos should be reinstated a public apology from Weider himself and the IFBB and also some sort of financial restitution for the potential income Milos lost and the bad mark he got on his reputation. No matter what the IFBB and Weider should answer to this immediately and fix this.He lost his contract and it has been suggested that they also stopped photoshoots in his gym.
Let's see if I got this right. Milos saw some foul play re contest fixing in an important contest so alerted the IFBB president. Milos got suspended for his trouble. A couple years later Paul Chua gets a 1 year suspension. Ah, those tricky 1 year suspensions that go on and on. Seems to me Milos is innocent of all charges and deserves an apology plus a reward for his exposure of corruption. Chick, is unaware of anything that Milos is talking about. Well, Chick is a self-confessed outsider who has no idea what is going on in the IFBB. This is truly the theatre of the absurd.
WHat the IFBB did to MIlos is 100% wrong. they actually suspended him, he loses money in someway from that and considered Milos guilty of lying or whatever. Now it looks like Milos was right all along (which everyone else felt he was too) Chua gets suspended. Milos should be reinstated a public apology from Weider himself and the IFBB and also some sort of financial restitution for the potential income Milos lost and the bad mark he got on his reputation. No matter what the IFBB and Weider should answer to this immediately and fix this.
Of course you have it wrong, Basile...you're nothing if not consistant.
1. Milos saw something wrong and called a press conference on the spot making allegations against an official without proof...when asked to provide proof (twice) he failed to do so resulting in suspension.
2. The entire AFBB has been suspended, not just Paul Chua
Turns out he was right all along. The proof came in 2009, so how 'bout reversing the suspension and issuing an apology?
as for any apologies...I wouldn't hold my breath.
Spoken in true IFBB fashion.
Bottom line, Milos was right. Everyone not wearing a blue blazer (or in your case a Captain Crunch jacket) knows it now. The IFBB becomes more of a joke with each passing year.
That would be some apology, considering Weider is dead. ::)
Joe and/or Eric can do the honors for Ben
It doesnt matter what it "turns out" to be....he was suspended for his actions...Hard to believe you cant grasp this...
but it was the IFBB Pro League that suspended Milos. The decision to suspend was Manion's.
So I know Milos Sarcev as an "IFBB athlete" from the magazines I bought when I was 15 an dying to be hyooge, but who is Chick and how did he become the "athletes'" "representative"? is he an attorney or something?
Basile for Athletes Rep, 2009!
@ goatboy, why do you know torquemada's first name? are you a history prof, or did you jump on wikipedia before you made that post? or was there something on tv?
So I know Milos Sarcev as an "IFBB athlete" from the magazines I bought when I was 15 an dying to be hyooge, but who is Chick and how did he become the "athletes'" "representative"? is he an attorney or something?
No wonder Arnold tries to distance himself from bbing 99% of the time. It's become a shameful male beauty pageant.
Spoken in true IFBB fashion.
The IFBB becomes more of a joke with each passing year.
I know Ben is dead but the other dead Weider is the real powerhouse.
No wonder Arnold tries to distance himself from bbing 99% of the time. It's become a shameful male beauty pageant.
become? that's what it started out as, with points for complexion, interview skills, as well as achievements in other sports.Maybe it wasn't so shameful way back then. ;)
IFBB Mr. Canada 1970 should throw his hat into the ring for Athlete's Rep! He will write Manion thousands of purple-fonted emails in zealous defense of his constituents (until he learns months later that Jimbo has never learned how to use the internet and doesn't own a computer).
I.F.B.B.
R.I.P.
(1946-2009)
rocket-surgery!
stop deleting my posts
stfu. ::)
Milos saw Paul Chua was corrupt.
He pointed it out.
Because he didn't hire a private detective and build an airtight lawyer-like case proving it, even though he knew it to be true, he got suspended since Chua was presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Fast forward two years... turns out Milos was right, Chua WAS guilty, and the IFBB suspends Chua.
Milos is still the bad guy??
Seriously, Chick, only you and the guys wearing the blue blazers don't see a problem with this. The rest of the world sees it for what it is... Milos got shafted.
You know Chick, you can't see the forest for the trees. Talk about myopia. Everyone else saw what was going on except stooges like yourself. Don't give us the company talk. What about those bodybuilders who were cheated out of placings, trophies and prize money? Is there going to be some addressing of grievances re those contests? That is what we want to know.
Why anyone would trust any of you guys in the IFBB is beyond me. The muscleheads have long ago worked out what to do. Kiss butt. To do otherwise is asking for 8th place.
You know Chick, you can't see the forest for the trees. Talk about myopia. Everyone else saw what was going on except stooges like yourself. Don't give us the company talk. What about those bodybuilders who were cheated out of placings, trophies and prize money? Is there going to be some addressing of grievances re those contests? That is what we want to know.
Why anyone would trust any of you guys in the IFBB is beyond me. The muscleheads have long ago worked out what to do. Kiss butt. To do otherwise is asking for 8th place.
Well, Bob, how difficult would it be for an insider like you to spill the beans on why Chua and his gang were booted out of the IFBB for a year? If the allegations of contest fixing are true then an investigation should be carried out and placings rectified. They have done this in the Olympics re Marion Jones so why not in fixed bodybuilding contests?
What took the IFBB so long to do an investigation? In the meantime, they suspended Milos when Paul Chua should have been suspended. Milos has been suspended the whole time whereas Paul was doing business as usual in Asia for the last 3 years.
It is pointless discussing things with you. You illuminate nothing at all and usually use smoke to screen the crap the IFBB does.
If the IFBB knows that Paul Chua was corrupt then that has to be addressed and rectified. It is now not a matter of opinion or conjecture. Think about the athletes screwed out of titles and prize money. In some Asian championships the amount of money is substantial. Those who didn't deserve to win that money should have to return it or their organization should. Nothing else is fair. Those cheated out of that money should be awarded the titles and money.
As pointed out already (three times now to you) there is no way to figure out who "should" have been awarded a title, not to say some who did win were not deserving....
Maybe we should just ASK the athletes who thinks they should have won, right?
International vice-president, Paul Graham, did exactly that in a Mr Australia contest I was judging in the early 1970s. Talk about a farce. Paul interfered with the judging so announced a tie and we rejudged the contest in the evening. They assumed we would vote exactly the same but I changed my vote to avoid Graham not counting it. Ted Matush won in the morning and at night. However, Frank Burwash as head judge said there was a tie. That wasn't possible with 5 judges but Graham didn't count a vote if it didn't agree with his assessment.
Graham foolishly recruited 3 additional judges and the 8 of us rejudged the contest. Amazingly there was now a real tie! What to do? There was bedlam. Paul favoured a competitor from Western Australia so tried to make it fair for him. Paul announced they would go by audience applause. Ted got the most but he had supporters in the audience so Paul didn't count that. So far Ted had won the title 3 times that day.
In total disbelief Paul announced that all the competitors including novices, teens and juniors should assemble at the rear of the Opera House to judge the contest. Ted won by a couple of votes.
What a total farce and shame to Paul Graham for his interference. He has no business promoting contests and then interfering with the judging. What happened during the prejudging was that I put Sonny Gloynes first because he had the best balance. Ted had the best legs and Robertson from Western Australia had the best upper body.
If there had been a tie when the bodybuilders judged I presume Paul would have recruited Opera House staff and perhaps the janitor to rejudge the contest!
Awesome....what does any of that have to do with what I just wrote, or the situation at hand?
An investigation has already been carried out....thus the suspension of the ABBF/ Paul Chua.
As for placings...just how do you believe they should be restored? Here is a new concept....competitors believing they should have won, or been "screwed" in a show...
does anyone actually shit about asian amatuer bodybuilding?
does anyone actually shit about asian amatuer bodybuilding?
basile is the type of a guy you would spot in a night club in a remote area of bangkok and when you look in his direction again he suddenly is gone like he never were there in first place.
Most of the flotsam here aren't past the intermediate stage re physique so I guess they have no idea what it is like to be cheated out of a placing because of corrupt officials, etc. It is bloody hard getting big enough to enter shows and then cut up to show some definition. All those years blasting away and you get shafted because someone else paid a bribe to win the show. That is a total disgrace and an embarrassment to all bodybuilders. Paul Chua has been running the Asian scene for decades. I have no idea what he has done but according to some reports, including Milos, it is corruption on a wide scale. Imagine being a bodybuilder in Asia? What hope is there that the best guys always win?
What is obvious here is that guys like Bob Chick are part of the problem and we cannot leave bodybuilding in their hands. Get rid of the corruption. Well, get rid of the whole damn organization and start again.
Rusty Jeffers has been a good sport about not winning the Masters Pro contest not so long ago. Good one, there, Bob!
stfu. ::)no u shut up bird brain
I have never heard anyone complain that they won a contest. However, lots of guys have been cheated out of titles. Clearly, if you won a contest then you can't be objective about who should have won your show. Got that, Bob?
I met Rusty in Melbourne. He was quite popular there with the fans.
I met Rusty in Melbourne. He was quite popular there with the fans.
We can go on for 10 more pages but Chick:
1 What do YOU think Milos' next step should be at this moment IF he wants to play by the rules and actually get somewhere with all of this?
2 What does he need to do to get reinstated? Does he have to wait for another meeting and voting of the members? Does he have to apply for reinstatement?
Rusty Jeffers has been in tv commercials? :D
Just like the law, . . .
Chick,You should be the IFBB "athletes" rep.
Does Milos have to ask for your help to be reinstated because of the recent events, or why don't you find it upon yourself to take the initiative?
Personally if it were me, I would contact Milos & say, "because of the recent events with the ABBF, would you like me to help get a letter drafted for a reinstatement."
Thats just me of course.
Chick, Milos continues to 'bag' and mock you on his site. Yet, you sheepishly and unconvincingly defend him!
Chick, why are you an apologist for Milos? He despises you!
Trying to remain impartial and professional just gives him more ammunition to attack you!
In other words, you look weak and pathetic whilst trying to toe the IFBB corporate line.
Chick, i thought you would be able to see through Milos' manipulative ways by now? Surely you aren't that ignorant and naive?
Regardless, i still believe that Milos' deep hatred for the ''powers that be'' could actually be a trump card in his ability to run the Asian Federation!
as I've stated from the start of all this....I have no horse in this race.shouldn't "the horse" that the "athletes' rep" always have "in the race" be (by definition) "the athlete?"
shouldn't "the horse" that the "athletes' rep" always have "in the race" be (by definition) "the athlete?"
I defend whats right
Check wears that "Captain America" costume from the commercial to bed every night. ::)
Only cause the wife likes it..!haha good one bob...youre not only the universes greatest bodybuilder but also the coolest bodybuilder commedian
Chick, it is commendable that you are a defender of values like fairness and equity.
However, i just can't understand how you can continue to rationalize your involvement with Milos, when has has never shown you one iota of respect, fairness and equity in your role as Ath's Rep?
Again, why are you so forthcoming and forgiving to a man who continues to 'bag' you and the federation you purport to love?
I can't help but like Chic, he's got a good personality from what I saw on "War for the Worlds".
(Except the part where they were at some boardwalk or something, and he said how screwy the people there were, he came off as an ass hole in that part.)
Please....if you've ever been there, you would agree. The land of fruits and nuts!
Bob= good guy :):)
Chick wears that "Captain America" costume from the commercial to bed every night. ::)
Chick wears that "Captain America" costume from the commercial to bed every night.
Adios IFBB ;D, long live NABBA,WABA,WFF,NAC & INBA !
Chick, Milos continues to 'bag' and mock you on his site.
Show where on his site please
Honestly...I couldn't care less what Milos is doing or saying
Honestly...I couldn't care less what Milos is doing or saying
Soon Milos will be back in the Pro League and you will have to represent him too because he's part of the Pro League again and you're the athletes rep of that league.i listen to whistle blowers before judging them
You will still not care what he's doing and saying then?
Soon Milos will be back in the Pro League and you will have to represent him too because he's part of the Pro League again and you're the athletes rep of that league.
You will still not care what he's doing and saying then?
Chick, you just live on this board these days....you obviously don't have much Ath's rep work to do these days?
Anyway, enough of that. You are an interesting guy who does seem to care about the sport. However, i am perplexed as to why you would still offer your help to Milos?!? He detests you and your role within the IFBB. And as matter of fact, he continues to openly talk about his dislike for the IFBB as an entity!
Chick, i still can't understand why you would offer your time and services to someone of this calibre?
Hmmmm, yes it will be interesting to see what Milos' next move will be!that one of the beauty's of not being a member of Milos' website...you don't hear it
I'm much more interested In when he makes his announcement of running against Jim Manion as he has stated numerous times...
1. There is a perjury case against Ms. Pamela Kagan and this is very serious matter because as I know that in Canada and USA, the person could go to jail.hmm
Mr. Chua was not present and the IFBB minutes shows that he was present??
2. Tony Blinn himself tried to cover up and cheat the case on Doping to assist the Brazilian athlete, therefore, this is a proof that the "IFBB" is not an angel or a clean federation. They are cheats.
3. I also came to know that Qatar paid to "IFBB" a sum of US$3000.- for legal fees to draft the Hearing conducted by Adel Fahim.
4. In 2004 the IFBB set a precedent by accepting US$20,000.- from Qatar federation and reduced the suspensions on Kamal and Ali and you should show the letter to the authorities . Rafael and Pamela gave consent to reduce the suspension from 2 years to 8 months. Where did the money went to?
5. The "IFBB" was not registered in Canada or Spain under the association act but they were registered under the corporation "IFBB INC" and in Spain under the Spanish name as Business House. Only 4 peoples' name were registered under the Business corporation which includes Rafael, William
Tieryney, Jose and one more person. This is the biggest JOKE, how can four people own the "IFBB" This is to cheat the national federations for sure. Till today, Rafael did not reply Axel Baeur's allegations, WHY? This is a disgrace. He knows the reason????
6. A company owned by Rafael Santonja has been settling all the IFBB invoices and this is to evade taxes in Spain. This must be reported to the authorities.
Mr. Chua have all the evidences and he should produce all these to the authorities and expose the dirty tactics of Rafael and his YES-MEN...
What is your standpoint on that?
When Wayne retired/got fired (can't remember but doesn't matter) how did JM take over?
JM was a more logical choice ofcourse because he was running the NPC, but is he now a life long pres of the IFBB? Or is Rafael over him?
5. The "IFBB" was not registered in Canada or Spain under the association act but they were registered under the corporation "IFBB INC" and in Spain under the Spanish name as Business House. Only 4 peoples' name were registered under the Business corporation which includes Rafael, William
Tieryney, Jose and one more person. This is the biggest JOKE, how can four people own the "IFBB" This is to cheat the national federations for sure.
This is one huge sordid mess!
With an 'athletes' rep' like Chick (whose credibility, with each post is going down faster than a malfunctioning lift in a lift shaft) surrounded by corrupt individuals like Paul Chua and now, it appears, a Dishonor Roll that includes the likes of Rafael Santonja himself and Jim Manion plus Tony Blinn of the IFBB Pro League (ever willing to do the Prez' bidding), the ABBF, IFBB & IFBB Pro-League were just accidents waiting to happen!
The only one to come out of this with his honor intact is Milos! Even the Milos-hating ex-Olympian runner-up New Hank Wood would acknowledge this.
how is my credibility "going down"?
Wasn't it Sir Winston Churchill who famously observed:
"You can fool some of the people some of the time;
But not ALL of the people all of the time!"
My my Chick. You got some of us fooled for some time, but wasn't it Sir Winston Churchill who famously observed:
"You can fool some of the people some of the time;
But not ALL of the people all of the time!"
Every utterance from you since this sordid saga began has been incongruous and inconsistent with what would normally be reasonably expected of an "athlete's rep." Rather than engaging in strenuous advocacy for the rights of Milos as a complainant, you were busy castigating him for his failure to observe procedure and protocol! That is for the IFBB Pro League's disciplinary committee to pursue. Any "athlete's rep" worth his salt would have advocated and fought for Milos.
At the risk of sounding facetious, instead of defending Milos you were, to all intents and purposes, a significant and crucial cog in the crooked apparatus that wrought this injustice on Milos and in the process protecting this crook from Asia, Paul Chua. You even had the gall to demand that Milos apologize to Chua, knowing that his conscience would never allow him to do that, as it was his admirable conscience that led him to try to expose Chua.
Finally, do get off your high horse and stop the pretense that you have no horse in this race to justice. Suffice it to say that truth and justice won (as it always will) and the humpty dumpties of BB had a great fall! Unfortunately, the loser is always the sport.
I don't really care much about those fights between Milos and Chic. Couldn't care less.:-X
But I am curious to know what happens to all the Asian athletes within the ABBF??? None of the Asian countries will participate at the IFBB World Championships???
What will happen to the World Games in Taiwan??? Will there be a team from the ABBF and one from the rest of the World???
So what happens to the Asian countries affiliated with the IFBB?
Are they all banned now?
I know the IFBB World Championships in Dubai was already canceled and will most likely be in Madrid.
Nobody knows anything???
My my Chick. You got some of us fooled for some time, but wasn't it Sir Winston Churchill who famously observed:
"You can fool some of the people some of the time;
But not ALL of the people all of the time!"
Every utterance from you since this sordid saga began has been incongruous and inconsistent with what would normally be reasonably expected of an "athlete's rep." Rather than engaging in strenuous advocacy for the rights of Milos as a complainant, you were busy castigating him for his failure to observe procedure and protocol! That is for the IFBB Pro League's disciplinary committee to pursue. Any "athlete's rep" worth his salt would have advocated and fought for Milos.
At the risk of sounding facetious, instead of defending Milos you were, to all intents and purposes, a significant and crucial cog in the crooked apparatus that wrought this injustice on Milos and in the process protecting this crook from Asia, Paul Chua. You even had the gall to demand that Milos apologize to Chua, knowing that his conscience would never allow him to do that, as it was his admirable conscience that led him to try to expose Chua.
Finally, do get off your high horse and stop the pretense that you have no horse in this race to justice. Suffice it to say that truth and justice won (as it always will) and the humpty dumpties of BB had a great fall! Unfortunately, the loser is always the sport.
IFBB now put the World Championships in Qatar to make sure Paul Chua and other people who against Rafael cannot go. Because Almana (President of Qatar) were former head of the police force in Qatar........after he paid big money to Rafael to lift the suspension and hide those doping cases, Rafael promised to make him the VP of Asia and President of new ABBF........Sure he would let anybody to go to Qatar to distrib his plan!!!good, maybe we can get coverage for the sport on Aljazzera
Exactly what I expected from you.....a response void of any factual information, or any specifics of what I had to do with the situation.. I never "demanded" anything from Milos, much less any apology. I also was the one (as his IFBB rep) who put together his appeal and officially submitted it oin his behalf as Milos was out of the country and unable to be reached for any assistance in preparing it...
As for any "horse in the race"....no, I have none....I dont represent the Asian athletes, don't represent amateurs, wasn't ion attendance at the Asian games, have never met/ known/ had any interaction with Paul Chua, and onbly represented Milos at his request as I had no obligation to do so.
If It was Milos' actions that led to the decisions made by Rapheal/ Amateur IFBB federation....than great, I applaud his involvement.
The actions of the IFBB PRO LEAGUE was justified and in accordance with the rules and regulations Milos (as well as ANY IFBB Pro) agree to....We (I, Manion, et al) never questioned whether or not Milos was right, wrong, or anywhere in between as none of us have any intreraction in the Amateur games, or Paul Chua....It was his course of action that made his suspension possible.
actually it was the ifbb picking and choosing what rules they want to apply, that led to his suspension..
and you being the "athlete rep" were content with letting this travesty happen.
your boss, Robin Chang, also pulled the plug on Milos. Was that another great idea of yours?
NABBA,NAC, and WABBA need to expand into Asia, give Asian bodybuilders a choice to compete somewhere else,
the Hong Kong fed HKBBA need to to be called on why 3 of their bodybuilders were suspended for failing a drug test and yet back competing without serving their sentences in full, i know Hong Kong lacks any decent bodybuilders but this is pathetic, rules are rules, the ICAC should investigate the HKBBA >:(
Milos getting his contract pulled haqd almost nothing to do with his being suspended, but many other factors which were considered nlong before this particular event.
Haha goes to show what type of person Chick is.
the only reason Milos would lose his contracts in Asia is if Chua or others in the IFBB made veiled threats to his sponsors.
Ok, let me rephrase: why do you think it's interesting?
Would he get anywhere with it?
You, knowing the IFBB Pro League structure better then me: Does he have a chance of succeeding in it?
When Wayne retired/got fired (can't remember but doesn't matter) how did JM take over?
How does that process go? Was there a vote for JM or did he get appointed by a board/somebody?
Why wasn't somebody else appointed like for example Steve Weinberger, Jim Rockell (assuming they were interested ofcourse) I'm just naming names who have been around the higher circles of the IFBB a long time as well like JM was.
JM was a more logical choice ofcourse because he was running the NPC, but is he now a life long pres of the IFBB? Or is Rafael over him?
According to Bob's logic, Milos shouldn't have been suspended because he commented on an amateur contest that has nothing to do with the Pro League! Ironically, some of those Asian contests have big prize money and that is partly why there are hard feelings there.x2
At least Chick is consistent. He loves pulling the wool over the eyes of the typical unquestioning muscleheads. The dude swears he is totally innocent of any wrong doing re his appointed job for the boys. He did bugger all for Milos and we can imagine he even voted for his suspension. Like Lee's suspension, the one year punishment has gone on and on. Gotta love the way the IFBB handles the athletes. They punish the honest and outspoken and retain the stooges who are loyal. Well, with Ben gone this crap has finally surfaced and it sure stinks. All the talk in the world won't remove that foul stench.
According to Bob's logic, Milos shouldn't have been suspended because he commented on an amateur contest that has nothing to do with the Pro League! Ironically, some of those Asian contests have big prize money and that is partly why there are hard feelings there.
At least Chick is consistent. He loves pulling the wool over the eyes of the typical unquestioning muscleheads. The dude swears he is totally innocent of any wrong doing re his appointed job for the boys. He did bugger all for Milos and we can imagine he even voted for his suspension. Like Lee's suspension, the one year punishment has gone on and on. Gotta love the way the IFBB handles the athletes. They punish the honest and outspoken and retain the stooges who are loyal. Well, with Ben gone this crap has finally surfaced and it sure stinks. All the talk in the world won't remove that foul stench.
Chick, you have an opportunity to bring about real and positive change to this organisation! So why do you continue to play the same of old corporate tune?
Seriously, the industry is crying out for real leadership. Yet, you sit in front of this screen arguing with a bunch of adolescents about the ethics of a one Milos Sarcev!?!
C'mon Chick. You and you contemporaries have an opportunity to usher in a new era. So why just waste this moment on banal, meaningless and repetitive message-board debates?
You are right Chick, i have 'no clue' of what is in the works....no one does! And that is where the problem lies!
And this is the point. Maybe it is time to start telling 'the people' who support the sport, what is 'in the works'?
Stop speaking in riddles Chick! Stop with the 'throw away' lines!
You make it sound like there is a 'secret engineering project' that is about to be unleashed on the unsuspecting and cynical bodybuilding public! A BB-revolution of some epic proportion! LOL
Chick,I don't believe your taunt! I don't think you have a clue, and that is the problem!
The tune is called 'Denial'.
Yes Chick, you are in denial about this sport and where it should be heading.
You and your contemporaries are more concerned about preserving the status quo rather looking to bring about real change to a much 'maligned beast' that is Pro Bodybuilding.
u sell egg whites international, record messages on boddybuilding.com phone line, do extra work in movies, and go to bodybuilding meetings
LOL....sorry bro, you are as clueless as Basile...no concept of what I do, or who I work with on what projects
Sorry bro, missedyour question
Would he get anywhere with it? No
Wayne was fired and Manion was the logical choice to take over....dont know if it's an appointed position, or if it was voted on by the board.
Manion was the highest ranked official as it was, it was a no brainer for him to take over...
Rapheal and Manion run two completely different entities, which have almost nothing to do with each other...
Obviously, the "stooges" weren't retained...the entire federation was suspended....so much for another useless observation courtesy of yourself
Exactly what I expected from you.....a response void of any factual information, or any specifics of what I had to do with the situation.. I never "demanded" anything from Milos, much less any apology. I also was the one (as his IFBB rep) who put together his appeal and officially submitted it oin his behalf as Milos was out of the country and unable to be reached for any assistance in preparing it...
As for any "horse in the race"....no, I have none....I dont represent the Asian athletes, don't represent amateurs, wasn't ion attendance at the Asian games, have never met/ known/ had any interaction with Paul Chua, and onbly represented Milos at his request as I had no obligation to do so.
If It was Milos' actions that led to the decisions made by Rapheal/ Amateur IFBB federation....than great, I applaud his involvement.
The actions of the IFBB PRO LEAGUE was justified and in accordance with the rules and regulations Milos (as well as ANY IFBB Pro) agree to....We (I, Manion, et al) never questioned whether or not Milos was right, wrong, or anywhere in between as none of us have any intreraction in the Amateur games, or Paul Chua....It was his course of action that made his suspension possible.
Basile you are a prolific wordsmith. Your writing style is highly entertaining and well thought through.
I just thought this was worth mentioning.
I understand that you despise me, and you are entitled to. However, i believe it is also important to note that your writings/ramblings deserve a place within the muscle magazines.
And yes Basile, i still loathe you. Regardless, i believe it is important to let you know that you have a literary gift. A gift that is being wasted on this feral shithole of a site!
Congratulations Milos Sarcev on your well deserved victory over the corrupt powers that be !
If this letter is real you'll be reinstated soon , damn shame Bob Chic wasn't there to help you through this ordeal.
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Dear Milos,
Attached please kindly find the suspension letter to Paul Chua. I speak with President Santonja immediately after our phone conversation and he confirm that he has already informed Jim Manion to reinstate you in IFBB.
Pro League.
Best regards
Pawel Filleborn
Come off it, Chick! You, Manion, et alnever questioned whether Milos was right or wrong as none of you had any interaction in the Amateur Games or Paul Chua? Then how come the IFBB Pro League took it upon yourselves to interfere with an issue stemming from the Asian Games (an Amateur event) and complaints of corruption against Paul Chua (an official of the Amateur division)? And not just interfere, but to ironically commence disciplinary proceedings against Milos for his Press Conference against Paul Chua following Chua's blatantly corrupt practices at the Asian Games to boot!
Wasn't it Shakespeare who wrote that "something is rotten in the state of Denmark"? Something definitely stinks here. Rather than to continually ask Milos to show proof, you would think that the IFBB Pro League, if it was truly impartial, would have launched an investigation into Milos' complaints against Paul Chua (which later have been established to be true).
Suffice it to say, Chick, your credibility continues to sink (if I could borrow your own lingo,which is uncannily most apt, like a malfunctioning elevator in an elevator shaft) with your every utterance, in the eyes of the global BB community! Sad, because you are probably the least culpable amongst the circus clowns in the IFBB Pro League. Your culpability relates only to your utter ignorance and confusion over your role as an "athletes rep."
What is that you (collection of retards) don't understand.
Chick is the athletes rep for the IFBB Pro League.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with the amateurs.
He does a good job, that is thankless and underrated. Yet he still bothers to come on here and do his best to answer every single question and accusation you dellusionites have. He is able to represent every pro that asks for help, regardless of his like or dislike for them and is always even in his treatment of the pros he represents.
Keep up the good work Bob.
Very professional post Tony, calling people retards on a gossip and opinions board because they have an opposing opinion to your own. It seems whenever the IFBB, which from here on out shall be known as the jolly old boys club ;D, is questioned or called to task on something its reps, who choose to open themselves to the fans via the internet, just dismiss these questions and opinions as retarded,ignorant,stupid,delusional etc, very mature attitude ::)
Bob tries his best but his biggest skill is skirting around the issue or dismissing it, and you Tony as a member of the jolly old boys club jump to your fellow members defence each time by dismissing the jolly old boys clubs critics as retards or whatever big word you learned that day!
so put on a contest, call up NABBA, WABBA or NAC and ask if you can use their name. That's all it takes.
the problem is that no one follows the rules. It is impossible to compete at the international level in the IFBB while actually being 3 year drug free.
BTW, NABBA, WABBA, and NAC don't even pretend to be drug tested contests.
LOL....sorry bro, you are as clueless as Basile...no concept of what I do, or who I work with on what projects
I'd love to know what issue you believe I'm skirting around or dismissing....
Sadly Tim calling up the NABBA or NAC and putting on a show is easier said than done, in some Asian countries the local IFBB fed would most likely create problems, especially in small places like Hong Kong and Singapore, the IFBB dont like bodybuilders competing in non IFBB contests and will ban those that do and so
that's true everywhere. In Mexico the IFBB threatened to ban for life anyone entering Coloso, yet Coloso still had 4-5 times the number of contestants, 10 times the number of fans, and Gustavo Badell guest posing. NABBA, WABBA, and MuscleMania are all doing ok in Mexico. And many of the Mexican athletes at recent Arnold Amateurs and the IFBB North Americas have been in NABBA, WABBA, and MuscleMania contests.
Even in Canada, they like to threaten (http://www.cbbf.ca/info_full.asp?id=37) athletes for entering non IFBB contests. at the recent Canadian Natural Championships (http://www.cbbf.ca/results_full.asp) (formerly called the Worlds Qualifier), they DQed two athletes, overall winner Dickens Lambert (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Lambert,+Dickens) and light middleweight class winner Michael Kwao (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Kwao,+Michael), due to "professional status in a non recognized organization". which seems a bit hypocritical (surprise) because they didn't do the same for the women's overall winner Maria Mikola (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Mikola,+Maria&g=1), who also competed as a professional in the WNBF last year.
Even in Canada, they like to threaten (http://www.cbbf.ca/info_full.asp?id=37) athletes for entering non IFBB contests. at the recent Canadian Natural Championships (http://www.cbbf.ca/results_full.asp) (formerly called the Worlds Qualifier), they DQed two athletes, overall winner Dickens Lambert (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Lambert,+Dickens) and light middleweight class winner Michael Kwao (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Kwao,+Michael), due to "professional status in a non recognized organization". which seems a bit hypocritical (surprise) because they didn't do the same for the women's overall winner Maria Mikola (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Mikola,+Maria&g=1), who also competed as a professional in the WNBF last year.
Unfortunately, despite your namesake...you obviously have no experience in "law" or how it's interpreted.
First, the PRO League didn't interfere with anything....the PRO League acted on behalf of the individual (Milos) who was a member, and as such, is expected to act accordingly AS a member of the League as well as follow the rules set forth
As for "launching any investigation"...that wasn't an issue for the PRO League, but rather an issue for the IFBB Amateur federation and falls under the jurisdiction of Rapheal, not Jim Manion, Myself, or the PRO league.
It's your utter ignorance and confusion in the knowledge (or lack thereof) that the IFBB Amateur Fed and the IFBB Pro League are two separate entities along with the fact that my role as Athletes Representative of the IFBB Pro League does not encompass amateur bodybuilders.
Get back with me when you educate yourself and can actually attempt to talk shop, with a shred of fact, knowledge or insight.
Speaking of Shakespere:
Arragon:
What's here? the portrait of a blinking idiot,
Presenting me a schedule! I will read it.
Yes more double standards and enforcing rules when felt like, how anyone within the IFBB can justify this and think it is fair is beyond me ::)
Ask chick,
he says the IFBB is fair and just and follows their rules consistently.
Chick,
For you to even insinuate that the IFBB rules are applied fairly and justly is a joke in itself.
this is a clear case of the IFBB using its rules selectively yet again, to simply silence a critic. what a great ethical organization!!
A man can be put on trial for exposing corruption (and educating people like you) , but won't be backed by his own athlete rep. Sad.
If you haven't noticed a trend here, you've been called out on being shallow with regards to Milos/IFBB, and you've yet to repudiate anything.
I'll ask you the same as everyone else that has the same opinion....what rule do you feel the IFBB selectivly followed in regards to Milos and this Paul Chua situation?
let me ask it a slightly different way:
the IFBB Pro League is a privately held company incorporated in the USA.
the International IFBB is a separate privately held company incorporated in Spain.
the ABBF is a separate privately held company incorporated in Singapore.
none of these companies are parents of the others, none report to the others.
Milos was working as a private individual for the country of Malaysia.
While representing the country of Malaysia, if he had publicly criticized the CEO of a company such as bb.com, Muscletech, Muscle & Fitness, or Eurpoa, would he have been suspended from the IFBB Pro League?
what is the rule that he broke? why is criticizing the CEO of the ABBF, criticizing his actions as CEO of the ABBF, forbidden in the IFBB Pro League, when there is no real legal connection between the IFBB Pro League and the ABBF?
Let's not make it out to be more complicated than it was:
Milos was a member of the IFBB
Paul Chua runs (ran) the ABBF
The ABBF is under the umbrella of the IFBB
Milos made accusations against an IFBB Official, while being a member of the IFBB Pro League
End of story
was he at the time a card carrying member of the amateur IFBB?
but there is no legal connection between the international IFBB and the IFBB Pro League, or the ABBF and the IFBB Pro League. There is only a gentlemen's agreement.
so it is reasonable to ask, with what other corporations does the IFBB Pro League have a gentlemen's agreement?
There doesn't have to be a "legal" connection...the ABBF was a willing party to be under the flag of the IFBB, and abided to follow the rules and regulations set forth that all 180 countries also agree to.
but the IFBB Pro League is not under the international IFBB. They are completely separate entities. Manion does not report to Santonja. True, they both use to be owned by Ben Weider, but he sold them off.
Let's not make it out to be more complicated than it was:
Milos was a member of the IFBB
Paul Chua runs (ran) the ABBF
The ABBF is under the umbrella of the IFBB
Milos made accusations against an IFBB Official, while being a member of the IFBB Pro League
End of story
Can you even be consistent, Chick? When it suits you, the IFBB Pro League couldn't care less about and have no dealings with the Amateur IFBB (never met Paul Chua who?) and now suddenly, the ABBF is under the umbrella of the IFBB.
Stop embarrassing yourself. Apart from your credibility, something else is plunging....your mental faculties! At the rate you're going, you've demonstrated that you're not even fit to hold the jock-straps of Tim Forgaty, Basile, Schmoe Buster et al!
So because the ABBF falls under the IFBB, the Pro League has something to do with it? Here is a newsflash, Einstein...there are 180 countries under the IFBB.
It is all about power in the IFBB and gone is the idea of looking after the bodybuilders and being honest and fair to everyone.
LOL...what a fuckin idiot. You belong with that list of fools o you mention...
So because the ABBF falls under the IFBB, the Pro League has something to do with it? Here is a newsflash, Einstein...there are 180 countries under the IFBB.
And no, *I* have never met Paul Chua, or the overwhelming majority of IFBB amateur officials which are overseas, and a part of the other 180 countries.
Get a clue
you don't even see your inconsistency?
1) the IFBB Pro League has nothing to do with the international IFBB and the ABBF. they are completely separate. the Pro League does not report to anyone in the international IFBB
2) the IFBB Pro League falls under the umbrella of the IFBB and Milos was suspended for criticizing a fellow member of the IFBB
There is nothing inconsistant about it...consider them as franchises, this may hep you in your understanding.
Aha, the confession at last! Franchises, did you say, Chick?
So the Master Franchisor is the IFBB and the franchisees are the IFBB Pro League, the ABBF, etc. That explains it. Now it all jives! The unholy haste to throw the book at Milos for daring to complain about the corrupt practices of Paul Chua and the ABBF (a franchisee)!
The IFBB Pro League was constrained all along to do the bidding of the Prez. of the Master Franchisor to take action against one of its own (Milos) for daring to criticize the corrupt conduct of one of its other franchisees (Paul Chua and ABBF)!
Paul Chua is the Prez of "Good Health Distributors Pte Ltd", the official franchisee of Weider Products for Asia. It all makes sense now!
From how I see it, the IFBB Pro League is different than the IFBB amatuer federation, which there are around 180 coutries around the world. In the US, the NPC is the amatuer federation which then, if you win various contests, you can become a pro in the IFBB Pro League. Whereas in other countries, you need to do well in the IFBB amatuers and become a pro within each country to compete in the IFBB Pro League.
It is different - the ABBF was the amatuer organization under the IFBB. The IFBB Pro League is the professional organization. Is there a link. Of course, but are they completely different. Yes.
Milos chose to attack the IFBB without the necessary proof at the time. He was suspended, as the IFBB itself was being attacked.
From how I see it, the IFBB Pro League is different than the IFBB amatuer
federation
which there are around 180 coutries around the world. In the US, the NPC is the amatuer federation
which then, if you win various contests, you can become a pro in the IFBB Pro League. Whereas in other countries, you need to do well in the IFBB amatuers and become a pro within each country to compete in the IFBB Pro League.
It is different - the ABBF was the amatuer organization under the IFBB.
The IFBB Pro League is the professional organization. Is there a link. Of course, but are they completely different. Yes.
Milos chose to attack the IFBB without the necessary proof at the time. He was suspended, as the IFBB itself was being attacked.
Your constant attention to trivial detail / semantics is pointless, Tim....
From how I see it, the IFBB Pro League is different than the IFBB amatuer federation, which there are around 180 coutries around the world. In the US, the NPC is the amatuer federation which then, if you win various contests, you can become a pro in the IFBB Pro League. Whereas in other countries, you need to do well in the IFBB amatuers and become a pro within each country to compete in the IFBB Pro League.if it suspended the dude because it was "attacked", that's paranoid suggesting an element of truth to the allegation.
It is different - the ABBF was the amatuer organization under the IFBB. The IFBB Pro League is the professional organization. Is there a link. Of course, but are they completely different. Yes.
Milos chose to attack the IFBB without the necessary proof at the time. He was suspended, as the IFBB itself was being attacked.
LOL....wow.
Weider Nutrition has zero to do with any of this....yes, franchises....much like owning a McDonalds. You own your own, but ultimately, answer to the corporate office and tyheir rules and guideleines.
Big revelation you stumbled on there
Bob, take it easy or you will blow a gasket. Never get too excited even if people piss you off. You are riding a dead horse but can't get off because you owe so much to Jim and his mates. You and Jim are part of the same problem. Look at the mess the IFBB is in. Controversies with contests and now officials. I think the athletes rep needs an assistant who can talk to the lads and find out what they want. Clearly, no one is telling you anything so you conclude you are doing a good job. A well run bodybuilding organization doesn't need an athletes rep. Got that, or are you too blind to see that your position is an insult to all bodybuilders. You work for Jim and not at all for the musclemen.(http://www.lolforumpictures.com/stfu/stfu8.jpg) (http://"http://www.lolforumpictures.com")
Bob, take it easy or you will blow a gasket. Never get too excited even if people piss you off. You are riding a dead horse but can't get off because you owe so much to Jim and his mates. You and Jim are part of the same problem. Look at the mess the IFBB is in. Controversies with contests and now officials. I think the athletes rep needs an assistant who can talk to the lads and find out what they want. Clearly, no one is telling you anything so you conclude you are doing a good job. A well run bodybuilding organization doesn't need an athletes rep. Got that, or are you too blind to see that your position is an insult to all bodybuilders. You work for Jim and not at all for the musclemen.
Yet ANOTHER post verifying what I just wrote...
You never cease toi amaze, Basile.
Answer the question, Basile
Maybe Basile is as good at skirting around the issue as you are Bob ;D
Bob, take it easy or you will blow a gasket. Never get too excited even if people piss you off. You are riding a dead horse but can't get off because you owe so much to Jim and his mates. You and Jim are part of the same problem. Look at the mess the IFBB is in. Controversies with contests and now officials. I think the athletes rep needs an assistant who can talk to the lads and find out what they want. Clearly, no one is telling you anything so you conclude you are doing a good job. A well run bodybuilding organization doesn't need an athletes rep. Got that, or are you too blind to see that your position is an insult to all bodybuilders. You work for Jim and not at all for the musclemen.
good posts vincehi vince
its refreshing to hear some truth and honesty for once from an athlete
bob needs to take notes when u speak
good posts vince
its refreshing to hear some truth and honesty for once from an athlete
bob needs to take notes when u speak
See, thats the difference...I dont have to skirt any issue. I have all the facts and know how the rules are set up.....Basile is pissing in the wind as usual and exposes himself (no pun intended) with every non-answer.
Anytime anyone wants to explain just what role I lpay in this....I'm all ears
While Basile does sometimes piss in the wind he does also piss in the right direction and he makes good points!
Bob i dont think anyone thinks you have a hand in all this but you are a representative of the jolly old boys club and thats why these question get directed to you, i know you dont have all the answers but perhaps you could do some inquiries and report back to us.
Right...let me know when you stumble on one of these "ggod points" you claim to have read from Basile
Right...let me know when you stumble on one of these "ggod points" you claim to have read from Basile
Everything, Chick, everything. Everything that Basile's written makes more sense than anything you've written, although what you've written are not entirely useless - at least they provide a great source of entertainment!
Well he makes a good point that a well run organization does not need an ''athletes rep'' basically that position is just a buffer between the athletes and the top brass, you Bob being the middle man, if the jolly old boys club was as clean and well run as you like to think then why can't the athletes go directly to the top brass and discuss their matters? well its just away to string them along! Another good point is that you work directly for Jim Manion and not the athletes, I'm not be grudging you a job in the jolly old boys club since you showed so much heart and drive to work your way up the NPC ladder and make as an IFBB Pro, but lets be realistic about what your position involves and what you do ;)
Perhaps it's the same reasoning that the NFL, MLB, NBA, and every othersport has one...
Please explain how it is that im working for Jim Manion
correct me if im wrong but isnt Jim Manion the chairman of the IFBB Pro League and you work for the IFBB Pro league so i would assume that is how you work for him!
having the title of athletes rep and actually being an athletes rep can be 2 different things, Basile alluded that you are the jolly old boys clubs patrol dog, you are certainly very loyal to them ;)
Bob Chick thinks he is a funambulist but he is a mere bouncer/enforcer for the Pro League and hardly represents any muscleheads. Witness his complete inability to do anything for Lee and Milos. Doing nothing was better than what Chick did. That guy has no shame. He accepts a position that must be an elected one to have any currency, validity and responsibility. It is obvious how the IFBB treats the bodybuilders. They use a big stick and a guard dog (yes, Bob C) to round up the strayers and bark so that no one will venture outside the pack.LOL. Now, there is a word you don't hear every day. :D
I dont "work" for anyone in the IFBB...I represent the athletes and submit proposals, address issues, and offer advice on business/ career matters associated with profesional bodybuilding.
Basile has yet to answer to one single question....If he is your source of info, then I see where the problem lies
So Bob you dont "work" for anyone in the IFBB, guess that includes the athletes.
Do you receive a salary from the IFBB? when you do the things you say you do what are you given for your time and effort? and what makes you so qualified that the athletes need you to do all these things for them, i mean they are capable men,with a few exceptions, why cant they submit their own proposals and address their own issues, why must they go through a middle man?
No, I don't receive any compensation from the IFBB, or the Athletes....
I've been in the business for 30 years, I have a background in law, and have an excellent repor with the judges, officials.
If tyhere was no need for a rep...there wouldn't be one. There had been no voice for many years which led no NOTHING being done on behalf of anyone, until Shawn and I raised the issue and took the steps necessary to gain a voice to be heard. The changes since that time have been significant by way of changes to the judging, more money to the athletes, health overage, etc....
Feel free to research the official minutes of all the proposals I've submitted on behalf of the athletes for the past 3 years
You do good as the Rep, im not even gonna front. Health insurance and more income, shit you should work for Obamax2 haha
No, I don't receive any compensation from the IFBB, or the Athletes....
I've been in the business for 30 years, I have a background in law, and have an excellent repor with the judges, officials.
If tyhere was no need for a rep...there wouldn't be one. There had been no voice for many years which led no NOTHING being done on behalf of anyone, until Shawn and I raised the issue and took the steps necessary to gain a voice to be heard. The changes since that time have been significant by way of changes to the judging, more money to the athletes, health overage, etc....
Feel free to research the official minutes of all the proposals I've submitted on behalf of the athletes for the past 3 years
perhaps you are jockeying for a position in the IFBB further down the road, maybe as Manion's successor?
credit where credits due Bob, the changes in judging and raise in prize money are very welcome but perhaps you could do something about the corruption that has been the main theme of this thread, and deal with that troll Chua and his wicked ways, its people like him that are killing a sport you've been working hard at, as you say for 30 years!
I dont "work" for anyone in the IFBB...I represent the athletes and submit proposals, address issues, and offer advice on business/ career matters associated with profesional bodybuilding.
Basile has yet to answer to one single question....If he is your source of info, then I see where the problem lies
No, I don't receive any compensation from the IFBB, or the Athletes....
I've been in the business for 30 years, I have a background in law, and have an excellent repor with the judges, officials.
If tyhere was no need for a rep...there wouldn't be one. There had been no voice for many years which led no NOTHING being done on behalf of anyone, until Shawn and I raised the issue and took the steps necessary to gain a voice to be heard. The changes since that time have been significant by way of changes to the judging, more money to the athletes, health overage, etc....
Feel free to research the official minutes of all the proposals I've submitted on behalf of the athletes for the past 3 years
Hey Buster! It's a waste of time responding to the demand for specifics from this schmoe of an 'athletes' rep'. That's all part of his M.O. to befuddle, becloud and confuse. That's how an escape artist operates.he is never wrong
He can't even spell although that doesn't stop him from 'representing the athletes, submitting proposals, addressing issues and offering advice on business/career matters'.
Bob is the officially appointed pro athletes rep so can't be wrong about anything. That is why the pros need a smarter guy than they are. If they knew that they could represent themselves where would the IFBB be? So they keep it confusing so they swear they need someone to work on their behalf. What a joke. Bob C representing Lee Priest? I wouldn't let that stooge Chick draw up an appeal for anyone let alone a bodybuilder. Bob still doesn't get it that he isn't needed. I mean, how many contests do the pros compete in each year? Some do one show. How long has the IFBB and this so-called Pro League been around? How long have the magazines been around? How long has the internet been around? It is all total bullshit and Bob is quite good at that. He can bullshit all day and all night long! Why on earth would any intelligent person volunteer to do a controversial job and get blamed for heaps of things he isn't responsible for? Answer: he profits from having what looks like on paper an important title in the organization. Look at some of the stooges and patsies in the IFBB. Bob has no clue about Asia. Well, Bob, you don't have to live or travel to Asia to have known who Paul Chua was. He was a vice-president in the IFBB and head of Asian bodybuilding.wow haha
What training in law is Bob claiming he has? He assisted a sheriff collect property and enforce various laws. In other words, he was the guy who showed up to repossess your car or other goods if you couldn't pay for them. He is the bona fide repo-man! Just the bloke to enforce bylaws of the IFBB. Stooge, patsy, bouncer and guard dog for and of the Pro League. Nothing more and nothing less. Put a fork in this pie eater because he is done!
I'll ask you the same as everyone else that has the same opinion....what rule do you feel the IFBB selectivly followed in regards to Milos and this Paul Chua situation?
From how I see it, the IFBB Pro League is different than the IFBB amatuer federation, which there are around 180 coutries around the world. In the US, the NPC is the amatuer federation which then, if you win various contests, you can become a pro in the IFBB Pro League. Whereas in other countries, you need to do well in the IFBB amatuers and become a pro within each country to compete in the IFBB Pro League.
It is different - the ABBF was the amatuer organization under the IFBB. The IFBB Pro League is the professional organization. Is there a link. Of course, but are they completely different. Yes.
Milos chose to attack the IFBB without the necessary proof at the time. He was suspended, as the IFBB itself was being attacked.
AMI owns the publications...not the IFBB.
Unless you're an AMI contracted athlete, voicing an opinion of Pecker would be here nor there...
Your constant attention to trivial detail / semantics is pointless, Tim....
Bob is the officially appointed pro athletes rep so can't be wrong about anything. That is why the pros need a smarter guy than they are. If they knew that they could represent themselves where would the IFBB be? So they keep it confusing so they swear they need someone to work on their behalf. What a joke. Bob C representing Lee Priest? I wouldn't let that stooge Chick draw up an appeal for anyone let alone a bodybuilder. Bob still doesn't get it that he isn't needed. I mean, how many contests do the pros compete in each year? Some do one show. How long has the IFBB and this so-called Pro League been around? How long have the magazines been around? How long has the internet been around? It is all total bullshit and Bob is quite good at that. He can bullshit all day and all night long! Why on earth would any intelligent person volunteer to do a controversial job and get blamed for heaps of things he isn't responsible for? Answer: he profits from having what looks like on paper an important title in the organization. Look at some of the stooges and patsies in the IFBB. Bob has no clue about Asia. Well, Bob, you don't have to live or travel to Asia to have known who Paul Chua was. He was a vice-president in the IFBB and head of Asian bodybuilding.great post vince
What training in law is Bob claiming he has? He assisted a sheriff collect property and enforce various laws. In other words, he was the guy who showed up to repossess your car or other goods if you couldn't pay for them. He is the bona fide repo-man! Just the bloke to enforce bylaws of the IFBB. Stooge, patsy, bouncer and guard dog for and of the Pro League. Nothing more and nothing less. Put a fork in this pie eater because he is done!
No, I don't receive any compensation from the IFBB, or the Athletes....
I've been in the business for 30 years, I have a background in law, and have an excellent repor with the judges, officials.
If tyhere was no need for a rep...there wouldn't be one.
Chick, since you are an international rep,
(In case you forgot IFBB = International Federation of Body Builders )
how is that you are so embarrassingly ignorant of matters outside of the USA?
You claiming ignorance on the entire Paul Chua issue was your excuse for doing nothing while Milos got suspended.
I guess this 'repor' is a Freudian slip. Bob has to report to his boss and not the athletes. If a guy did have good rapport with officials and athletes it would serve him well. Or did he learn that word 'repor' from his assistant sheriff days when he repossessed property? Yeah, that is the kind of repor that Bob understands!
In case you forgot...I'm the athletes rep for the IFBB PRO League, not the amateurs
I didn't have to know who Paul Chua was....the only relevant issue to me, was whether or not the suspension of an IFBB pro (who I represent) was in accordance with the rules. As for doing nothing....other than his appeal (which was drawn up and submitted by me) there was nothing further that could have been done.
You really need to educate yourself before making a bigger fool of yourself...you taking tips from Basile?
So you are saying that even if you knew of Paul Chua's corruption you would have simply let Milos get suspended because he accused an IFBB official, and broke a rule?
what a great athlete rep you are..
arbitrarily applied rules vigorously defended.
has manion promised you the keys when he croaks?
Thats the thing....I would have never known of any coruption at the Asian games, or with some guy who runs it I never heard of...hard to believe that some of you have such a hard time processing the fact that I dont represent the amateurs, or know of Paul Chua....hard to "let" something happen when you arent connected in any way, shape or form.
How did you let the Craigslist murder happen? Or 911?
What you "let happen" was Milos getting suspended for pointing out corruption in the IFBB,
one rule is applied while others ignored..
what an awesome athlete rep to sit and watch this travesty.
But you probably have ulterior motives.
Manion has only a select few he'd turn his baby over to.
Securing your name on that list is a little more important than listening to Milos.
In case you forgot...I'm the athletes rep for the IFBB PRO League, not the amateurs
As for doing nothing....other than his appeal (which was drawn up and submitted by me) there was nothing further that could have been done.
To answer your question:You walk the line.
Why does any athlete need a representative?
Both Lee and Milos both requested my help in each of their respective cases....You can plainly see by Milos' case, exactly WHY my help could have been instrumental in getting the process started, and handled properly without getting himself in trouble and making it an even longer deal than it should have been...
By acting on his own accord...all he accomplished was possibly alerting Chua and anyone else involved, that there would be inquiries made....all this would do is make someone start covering their ass making it even tougher to get to the truth and exposing any injustice being done.
What Milos did was take matters into his own hands....had he gone through me, or alerted Jim/ Ben/ Raphael or any other person that could have advised him of the proper way to go about it...he never would have been suspended and this matter might just as well been taken care of much faster and with just cause...
To answer your question:sorry but that sounds like bologne, you don't even believe it yourself and are chuckling after posting this ridiculousness :)
Why does any athlete need a representative?
Both Lee and Milos both requested my help in each of their respective cases....You can plainly see by Milos' case, exactly WHY my help could have been instrumental in getting the process started, and handled properly without getting himself in trouble and making it an even longer deal than it should have been...
By acting on his own accord...all he accomplished was possibly alerting Chua and anyone else involved, that there would be inquiries made....all this would do is make someone start covering their ass making it even tougher to get to the truth and exposing any injustice being done.
Milos wasn't the first to discover this corruption. Many others have complained, and paid the price. It is very likely that only a reputable outsider like Milos making public accusations would make it impossible for the executives in the IFBB to ignore the problem that had been going on for so many years.
Bob, you take a lot of ribbing from critics of the IFBB. Can you tell us if you have a contract with the Pro League to act as the officially appointed rep? I mean, you of all people need to protect yourself from the machinations of that mysterious organization.
You always tell us how hard you have toiled for hapless athletes like Lee and Milos yet you achieved nothing at all for them. Surely you know how to be effective in your position. How come you failed completely to get any justice for those two blokes? All the bullshitting in the world can't erase your pathetic record at representing those two athletes.
...they (IFBB) could have just as well done nothing, Milos was suspended, and they ultimately don't answer to anyone.
if there was knowledge of such things they would have been addressed some time ago
Herein lies the problem of the IFBB. It is in no way a federation of bodybuilders. It is Ben's business to control bodybuilding and bodybuilders and he appointed most people to their positions. The bodybuilders have no say. The federation should be responsible to all bodybuilders. All positions in the IFBB should be elected ones. Unless this is so there can be no democracy and justice.
Lee Priest and all pros should be allowed to enter whatever few shows they can to try to earn some money. Milos's allegations should have been investigated at least by the pro athletes rep to see if there was any merit. You did no such thing and clearly profess your complete ignorance of the whole Asian bodybuilding scene.
are you claiming that no one has ever brought accusations regarding Chua to the IFBB before? lots of evidence to the contrary.
as I've mentioned before, people were telling me about Chua years ago. but since the IFBB was a privately held company owned by Ben Weider, and the ABBF was a privately held company owned by Chua, and Ben and Chua are best friends, what are you going to do?
Perhaps no one ever made mention of it to Ben..?Maybe they didn't want to be suspended.
Maybe you need proof. Simple as that.that's what commissions or investigations discover.
It is so easy to accuse someone of something, anytime, anywhere. Proof is a lot of difficult.
that's what commissions or investigations discover.
You mean like the one they just had?yes but dont sanction or fine the accuser until the investigation is concluded NOT BEFORE because that make your organization appear stupid.
What Milos did was take matters into his own hands....had he gone through me, or alerted Jim/ Ben/ Raphael or any other person that could have advised him of the proper way to go about it...he never would have been suspended and this matter might just as well been taken care of much faster and with just cause...
You need to know how the process works before making such statements....it's much like the law and due process. You cant levy charges without proof, plain and simple.
yes but dont sanction or fine the accuser until the investigation is concluded NOT BEFORE because that make your organization appear stupid.LOL, how dare you bring logic into this?!?! >:(
Bullshit....if there was knowledge of such things they would have been addressed some time ago...they (IFBB) could have just as well done nothing, Milos was suspended, and they ultimately don't answer to anyone.
The fact that there has been a suspension of the entire ABBF as well as Paul Chua dictates that the accusations had merit
What is that you (collection of retards) don't understand.
Chick is the athletes rep for the IFBB Pro League.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with the amateurs.
He does a good job, that is thankless, underrated and unpaid. Yet he still bothers to come on here and do his best to answer every single question and accusation you dellusionites have. He is able to represent every pro that asks for help, regardless of his like or dislike for them and is always even in his treatment of the pros he represents.
Keep up the good work Bob.
I posted this (below) the other day. Just thought I might try again as none of you seem to get it.and in business we say to shit remarks like yours: thanks for nothing.
You have a lot of patience Bob, none of these imbeciles have a clue as to how much you do behind the scenes for the pros that you represent.
Maybe the amateurs should get an athletes rep. Maybe Basile or his mate Frank could do it, they seem to know everything.
I posted this (below) the other day. Just thought I might try again as none of you seem to get it.LOL, what does that have to do with him chodling The Powers That Be nuts?
You have a lot of patience Bob, none of these imbeciles have a clue as to how much you do behind the scenes for the pros that you represent.
Maybe the amateurs should get an athletes rep. Maybe Basile or his mate Frank could do it, they seem to know everything.
and in business we say to shit remarks like yours: thanks for nothing.agreed...
As Tim has pointed out,
Others have "gone through the proper channels" regarding Chua, and were silenced for their troubles.
Without Ben's protection, Chua is now out.
Milos was made the fall guy, but Bob chick looks out for his athletes. ::)
The real question is why did Ben allow such corruption to exist??
Tim didn't say anything of the sort....what he said was that Milos was not the first to raise the issue....he made no mention of having any insight that the proper channels were made, or any official complaint was made, etc...
Again, you're assuming Ben knew of any wrongdoing... we don't know that, and never will.
Herein lies the problem of the IFBB. It is in no way a federation of bodybuilders. It is Ben's business to control bodybuilding and bodybuilders and he appointed most people to their positions. The bodybuilders have no say. The federation should be responsible to all bodybuilders. All positions in the IFBB should be elected ones. Unless this is so there can be no democracy and justice.
Lee Priest and all pros should be allowed to enter whatever few shows they can to try to earn some money. Milos's allegations should have been investigated at least by the pro athletes rep to see if there was any merit. You did no such thing and clearly profess your complete ignorance of the whole Asian bodybuilding scene.
are you claiming that no one has ever brought accusations regarding Chua to the IFBB before? lots of evidence to the contrary.
as I've mentioned before, people were telling me about Chua years ago. but since the IFBB was a privately held company owned by Ben Weider, and the ABBF was a privately held company owned by Chua, and Ben and Chua are best friends, what are you going to do?
and in business we say to shit remarks like yours: thanks for nothing.
Thank you Mr Businessman. You sound so important...nah mine are all legit
Maybe I could get you to run one of my businesses.
nah mine are all legit
I posted this (below) the other day. Just thought I might try again as none of you seem to get it.
You have a lot of patience Bob, none of these imbeciles have a clue as to how much you do behind the scenes for the pros that you represent.
Maybe the amateurs should get an athletes rep. Maybe Basile or his mate Frank could do it, they seem to know everything.
Hi, Chick! :D
Hi, Chick! :D
Hi Mr Canada
Yes Tony very mature, you call getbiggers imbeciles yet you follow the same jokes and gimmicks ::)you are correct, he should have arrived as a gimmick :)
Bob did you answer Basiles question about if you have a contract with the IFBB Pro League? or did you just skirt around it ::)
Just a rejoinder. Go to www.arrestpaulchua.com to view how it all began to unravel for Paul Chua. Enjoy the flash pix of Paul Chua in handcuffs! The site will be taken down soon (in July), now that the crook has had his comeuppance.
now that the crook has had his comeuppance.
Tim didn't say anything of the sort....what he said was that Milos was not the first to raise the issue....he made no mention of having any insight that the proper channels were made, or any official complaint was made, etc...
Again, you're assuming Ben knew of any wrongdoing... we don't know that, and never will.
Oh...my bad Tim...."People were telling YOU"
That certainly constitutes official
Yes Tony very mature, you call getbiggers imbeciles yet you follow the same jokes and gimmicks ::)
Bob did you answer Basiles question about if you have a contract with the IFBB Pro League? or did you just skirt around it ::)
So typical of Chick.
I really think it is no point responding to Chick's demand for specifics as I suspect that it's purely tactical on his part. Once we respond, he'd pose further questions such as "show me the proof", so on and so forth ad nauseum. That's how they got Milos in the first place.
He's primary objective is to obfuscate, and drag the debate on in circles. As things stand, I believe that playing it by his terms is self-defeating. It's enough that 99% of those participating (in my view) in this thread do not empathize with the IFBB Pro League or Chick.
The IFBB Pro League has picked a multi-barrelled bullshitter for "athletes rep" for good reason. Chick is like the multi-headed Hydra of Greek mythology. He's part trapeze artist, escape artist and contortionist. At the rate that he's going, it won't be long before he adds "circus clown" to the list of talents and traits that he possesses, although he still can't spell even if his life depends on it!
Gee fancy someone making accusations without any fabric of truth.is your name Messiah? wow
If you know me at all then you will know that I work 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, 51 weeks a year. It is fine to have some banter here but making up lies is just plain low.
Did you parents ever teach you to think before you spoke?
At least Chick, myself and even Vince Basile are not hiding behind internet names and gimmicks. You you should try it sometime.
is your name Messiah? wow
Bitch is still hot, Ron!!!
Brittany Spears paparazzi would know more than some of you.
Bitch is stillhotcolder than having a small pair in a raised 5 way pot with a possible flush on the board, Ron!!!
LOl...you are amusing, I'll give you that
Anytime you want to explain what I'm bullshitting about, feel free to tell everyone
you're bullshitting about Ben would have exposed the corruption "only if he knew"
LOl...you are amusing, I'll give you that
Anytime you want to explain what I'm bullshitting about, feel free to tell everyone
Tsk, tsk, tsk, Chick. There's an age old Latin maxim Res Ipsa Loquitur which loosely translated means "the facts speak for themselves."
The last para of your response proves my contention that it is part of your MO to obfuscate and befuddle the issue and drag out the debate with your endless string of "what, where and hows".
It is clear to the global BB community that the facts now speak for themselves, in this sordid saga of institutionalized injustice in the IFBB Pro League. You're just an "athletes' rep" who's primary purpose is to protect the Pro league. You don't really have the interests of the athletes at heart. Res Ipsa Loquitur!
Sorry bro...Only ONE imBASILE here!
And no...I dont have any contract to be the athletes representative
Having gotten used to getting the lift (elevator) of having the title "athletes rep" Chick, you're gonna have to get used to the all-pervading feeling of being shafted.
Unfortunately for you,Chick this will continue to grow, given your intransigence and refusal to acknowledge that a travesty has occurred in the IFBB Pro League under your watch, viz-a-viz Milos!
No amount of evasive and devious wriggling in the guise of a demand for specifics are gonna change that.
Another retarded post....off topic but do you think milos will try to sneak into the nypro past big steve again? haha
I've never refused to acknowledge that their could be coruption, or that Paul Chua could be crooked....never knew the man, never followed the amateur overseas competitions, have never been to any Asian shows or any put on by the ABBF.
When Milos came up with his observations, no one (including myself) doubted what he said....no one else was there. Only proof was necessary to put credibility to the accusation.
As for being on "my watch"....I don't represent amateurs, fool
off topic but do you think milos will try to sneak into the nypro past big steve again? haha
Another retarded post....
I've never refused to acknowledge that their could be coruption, or that Paul Chua could be crooked....never knew the man, never followed the amateur overseas competitions, have never been to any Asian shows or any put on by the ABBF.
When Milos came up with his observations, no one (including myself) doubted what he said....no one else was there. Only proof was necessary to put credibility to the accusation.
As for being on "my watch"....I don't represent amateurs, fool
For your information, Milos is no amateur.
What an "athletes' rep", LOL..... one who can't tell the difference between who he's supposed to represent and defend and who is the source of the complaint.
Perhaps that the main problem. You can't see the forest for the trees, something that is painfully obvious to everyone! About time you step down Chick, you amateur "athletes' rep".
For your information, Milos is no amateur.
What an "athletes' rep", LOL..... one who can't tell the difference between who he's supposed to represent and defend and who is the source of the complaint.
Perhaps that the main problem. You can't see the forest for the trees, something that is painfully obvious to everyone! About time you step down Chick, you amateur "athletes' rep".
No, he wasn't an amateur...nor was he an IFBB pro after he was suspended....technically, I didn't have to help him AT ALL.
so its your duty to help someone one until Manion et al. declare them persona non grata, then your duty ends
No, he wasn't an amateur...nor was he an IFBB pro after he was suspended....technically, I didn't have to help him AT ALL.
As for defending him...what was there to defend? His opinion? He was offered the chance to provide proof of his accusations (three times) and failed to do so...THEN he was suspended as a result of that failure.
Quit trying to talk shop....you're making a bigger ass of yourself than Basile
There you go again Chick, resorting to abusive language whenever you are cornered! It doesn't reflect well on the IFBB Pro League and is a sad indictment on the intellect and caliber of the Pro League's officials!
There's defense as in putting up a vigorous defense and then there's going through the motions. Unfortunately for you Chick, you're perceived in the court of public opinion of copping-out as an "athletes' rep". Your vigorous defense of the IFBB Pro League and Manion et al only reinforces that perception. Remember, perception becomes 99% fact!
The bottom line in all this is the quality and integrity of the people involved in the sport. Ben recruited businessmen who were handling his products around the world. Amazingly these 'vice-presidents' were recruited to judge important contests. That is a step worse than getting gym owners to judge contests!
How can you call your misled views the "court of public opinion". Having 3-4 allies on getbig does not count as anything. Especially when you all (except your captain Vince) have fake names and identities and could all be very well the same fictitious person.hun, i ask questions. you'd like to shut that down too Messiah?
To the people that matter, athletes, promoters, officials. Chick is doing a great job.
Once again, he has nothing to do with the amateurs.
hun, i ask questions. you'd like to shut that down too Messiah?
Who or what is hun (short for hunny bunny)?ok ever hear of Attila the Hun? lol
Can you rephrase your jumbled question please?
You may not like it, but Chick is doing his job as the athletes rep. That is what many of the competitors tell me. If you have a problem, Chick is there for you. Like it or not, that is a fact. It is a thankless job, but he does it.i just checked out the messiahofmuscle's website and from his posts here he sounds like a witty and accomplished fellow
And until you are a promoter, you never know the expenses, time and work it takes to promote a contest. You take a risk in hoping the crowd will be there and on putting on a good show.
Complaining behind a name is so easy.... but actually helping out, or doing something is quite different.
i just checked out the messiahofmuscle's website and from his posts here he sounds like a witty and accomplished fellow
There you go again Chick, resorting to abusive language whenever you are cornered! It doesn't reflect well on the IFBB Pro League and is a sad indictment on the intellect and caliber of the Pro League's officials!
There's defense as in putting up a vigorous defense and then there's going through the motions. Unfortunately for you Chick, you're perceived in the court of public opinion of copping-out as an "athletes' rep". Your vigorous defense of the IFBB Pro League and Manion et al only reinforces that perception. Remember, perception becomes 99% fact!
Cornered???
LOL....you have yet to bring up ONE viable fact on the matter, or answer to any of my questions.
What vigorous defense...? What does Manion have to do with anything, or the Pro league?
chick,
you have danced and danced around enough
you have yet to explain why the IFBB enforces rules selectively.
also you have yet to publicly apologize to Milos for non-existent representation, while facing suspension.
Bob is demonstrating why he is the appointed and anointed pro atheletes rep. No matter what the charge he is completely innocent yet Milos and Lee were guilty as charged. Once pros are suspended he considers that they are no longer pros. Give me a break. What a joke of a rep Chick is. Only knuckleheads would accept this stooge and patsy to represent them. What representation? Here he is under instructions to put down all critics and get the last word. Typical flotsam will believe Chick is officially doing the right thing!
Ben Weider was responsible for doing a lot of bad things to various bodybuilders over the decades. Bev Francis was never allowed to win the Ms Olympia because that would have been bad for the sport according to 'Pumping Iron II, The Women'. No matter if she reduced her size and had a more feminine presentation she still never won the top title.
Sergio Oliva was booted out of the IFBB for years and left Arnold alone to win the Olympia. In Munich in 1972, just about everyone believed Sergio was robbed. Even Arnold agrees that Sergio was superior that year. Serge Nubret was totally shafted and prevented from running for IFBB president. Ben simply made himself the lifetime president. Yeah, why share a private company CEO position with some bodybuilder living in France? Ben believed one must keep absolute power at all costs. Unfortunately the cost was dear to many amatuer and professional bodybuilders.
The NABBA Universe in England has a better judging system. However, Ben cleverly came up with another one that allowed officials to help the judges correct their errors. What a travesty. Several competitors at the highest level were ahead after the prejudging only to lose after the posedown? Why have prejudging if you are going to change the results?
Need we mention drugs?
What vigorous defense...? What does Manion have to do with anything, or the Pro league?
Manion suspended Milos from the Pro League for whistleblowing, almost certainly at the request of Chua, probably by way of Santonja. Since Milos was not representing the IFBB Pro League at the time of his accusations, the IFBB Pro League should have stayed out. The athletic rep should have argued that this does not fall under the jurisdiction of the IFBB Pro League. The IFBB Pro League is a separate entity than the international IFBB and the ABBF. If Chua was libeled, the proper course of action would be for Chua to take Milos to court. Someone should have told Manion that this was a PR disaster waiting to happen.
Why was it so hard for Milos to get supporting evidence? Because Chua has a long history of intimidation, of threatening the financial well being of anyone who crosses him. That's what he did with Milos, getting his Asian jobs/endorsements to drop him, getting the IFBB to suspend him. Manion played into Chua's hand.
What rules do you feel are enforced selectively?
drug policy?? - doesn't apply to 100% of IFBB pros
porn - Kai Greene, Denise Masino et al no problem
slander towards IFBB women - Chick can say anything
competing outside IFBB - IFBB decides to enforce this one
accusing a official of corruption - IFBB decided to enforce this one too
Has Milos contacted me for representation BEFORE he was suspended...I would have been more than happy to oblige.
You were more than happy to see Milos be put out to pasture. You are lying *surprise* should you suggest otherwise
Bob, Bob, Bob, the guy with no shame! Give the intelligent and experienced Getbiggers a break. Some of us have been around the Irongame much longer than you have and have seen a lot of crap happen to bodybuilders by the official IFBB.
Why masquerade that you could have done something if only they had come to you sooner and so on? Why is the Pro League such that it needs a windbag like you to convince the flotsam that all is okay in the IFBB? Surely Manion can run the few contests every year and make sure all is well and that the best people win, etc.? I mean, how hard is it to do that? Every time we hear of a suspension we know that backroom boys have been deciding things that affect the careers of various individuals. That is the way they operate. An insider club that isn't responsible to the bodybuilders. They can't even follow their own constitution.
What about the drug testing, Bob? Clearly that is totally against the spirit of bodybuilding and has tainted the sport no end. When are all contests going to be drug tested? Bob, you are the voice of the IFBB, not the athletes. Oh, you have impressed some people by your efforts but it is clear to many of us that you are an insider in the IFBB and working mainly for them.
About the Milos affair. He did present evidence by way of photos from that controversial Asian contest. I can imagine that various witnesses could have been approached to make sure they don't come forward.
Was it against the "spirit of bodybuilding" when you were taking steroids to win your "Mr. Canada", Imbasile? Classic do as I say, not as I did....
All the shows will be drug tested when the athletes decide thats what they want...I'll be more than happy to submit it on their behalf.
PHOTO'S??? Thats the compelling evidence?
Drug policy: show me where some guys were tested and others werent. No one has been tested as of late, so it's fair to all
Actually you are incorrect. Diueretics were tested for at the olympia and arnold, but not other shows. Inconsistent drug testing.
But the simple truth that you hide from is that the rules state that drugs shall not be used.
However the IFBB choses to ignore this rule, while others are enforced.
Comprehend?
Porn: not a part of the rules, part of the code of ethics
so Kai Greene humping a grapefruit is ok with the IFBB , but Lee priest competing elsewhere isn't?
Slander: didn't know an opinion was considered slander...If you can show proof of it, all the power to you
the proof is one of your many derogatory statements about womens bodybuilding made in flex
which falls under the "public statements" section of the rules.
btw - you owe milos an apology
It states nowhere that all shows will be tested....so where is the inconsistancy?stop freaking out bob...geez
Of the shows tested, ALL the competitors were tested equally....again, where is the inconsistancy?
The IFBB "RESERVES THE RIGHT", that means they can if they want.....comprehend? As for "selective enforcement"....that's how the law works as well...cop pulls you over for speeding, but lets you off for not wearing a seatbelt.....comprehend?
Kai can hump all the grapefruits he wants....no rule against it. Competing in another organization IS against the rules
I owe Milos nothing...If anything, he owe's ME an apology
LMAO, you arrogant prick.
I owe Milos nothing...If anything, he owe's ME an apology
LMAO, you arrogant prick.who deletes my posts hahahhahha
who deletes my posts hahahhahhaBob owes you an apology.
Bob owes you an apology.i want bob to fly me down to florida and let me hang out with him and go to the bodybuilder meeetings and work out w/ him...and get bodybuilding.com to pay off my credit card
In fact he owes you several, he should buy you something for being such a prick to you.
What would make you feel better NW83?
i want bob to fly me down to florida and let me hang out with him and go to the bodybuilder meeetings and work out w/ him...and get bodybuilding.com to pay off my credit cardThey owe it to you, Geno. ;D
i want bob to fly me down to florida and let me hang out with him and go to the bodybuilder meeetings and work out w/ him...and get bodybuilding.com to pay off my credit cardYou really want to hang out with him ??? Is that so you can pwn him in real life? ;D
So far, we've seen NO pictures of anypne else in the contest, and only yourself listed as the winner....no other placings
It states nowhere that all shows will be tested....so where is the inconsistancy?
Of the shows tested, ALL the competitors were tested equally....again, where is the inconsistancy?
The IFBB "RESERVES THE RIGHT", that means they can if they want.....comprehend? As for "selective enforcement"....that's how the law works as well...cop pulls you over for speeding, but lets you off for not wearing a seatbelt.....comprehend?
Kai can hump all the grapefruits he wants....no rule against it. Competing in another organization IS against the rules
I owe Milos nothing...If anything, he owe's ME an apology
Yes, Bob, but if there was a photo posted here on Getbig would that be compelling evidence to decide that issue?
Likewise, if photos show that Milos is correct and the wrong man won that contest would that be compelling evidence? To me it would be enough to investigate what went on there. Photos are mostly what we go on from contests when assessing who should have won, etc.
You really are pathetic to take on the so-called idiots and imbeciles of Getbig. Seems to me they are giving you a hiding!
You're asking if having more than one guy ion a line-up is visable proof, and comparing it to judging of physiques and opinion as to who is better??You walk the line.
No, Basile....pictures aren't enough to warrent anything.....Milos' OPINION was enough....it wasn't what he witnessed that got him suspended...it was the lack of evidence to support it.
Not too tough to comprehend
The rule states that drug use is not permitted.
It doesn't state drug use is not permitted in some shows, but not others.
Apparently the IFBB must beleive that drug use is permitted in some shows and not others. hence testing at the olympia and not at the Ironman.
This is called inconsistency.
Furthermore,
A seatbelt violation is considered a hierarchical lesser violation than a moving violation, by law. Ask a real policeman sometime.
The IFBB rulebook has no such hierarchy for its rules. It simply selectively applies which ones suit it best.
illegal drug use wasn't a problem, but Milos blowing a whistle was.
hahha look at the captain crunch jacket :DI agree Geno, whats going on with that jacket Chick, flamboyant, no?
It's the Olympia....if there is a time to be flamboyant, that would be it.how come youre the only 1 in that pic dressed like that?
If I were, say, at a funeral uninvited.....I would be dressed much more conservatively
how come youre the only 1 in that pic dressed like that?Chick is the athletes rep, guy has stature in the industry and needs to stand out.
how come youre the only 1 in that pic dressed like that?
Because I'm the only host of the eventhow do u manage your meal timing when u are hosting events? do u keep shakes or bars back stage?
how do u manage your meal timing when u are hosting events? do u keep shakes or bars back stage?Geno, I know these question may be better placed on your ask gene thread but I will ask you here. Do you ever let yourself go catabolic? Thanks Geno.
Geno, I know these question may be better placed on your ask gene thread but I will ask you here. Do you ever let yourself go catabolic? Thanks Geno.hey elite
hey eliteHow many calories are you pounding in a day, are you a calorie counter? I aim for 3000, 3500 would be ideal. I have noticed good gains since upping my calories, no fat either.
well i try my best to eat every 2-3 hours...but sometimes i eat every 3.5 hours...i try to never be hungry
How many calories are you pounding in a day, are you a calorie counter? I aim for 3000, 3500 would be ideal. I have noticed good gains since upping my calories, no fat either.i am trying to get lean for summer now so i am down to around 2000-2500...i think when i was bulking i was taking 3000 calories and i had good lean gains from it...i am not really a cal counter-but i try to keep track of how much macros per meal i take
How can you call your misled views the "court of public opinion". Having 3-4 allies on getbig does not count as anything. Especially when you all (except your captain Vince) have fake names and identities and could all be very well the same fictitious person.
To the people that matter, athletes, promoters, officials. Chick is doing a great job.
Once again, he has nothing to do with the amateurs.
No it is Tony, which most people here know. If you read through my posts you will work it out.
My world is fairly public, Even Vince visited one of my gyms during the pro show weekend this year. www.dohertysgym.com
"Frank" Go back and re-read these posts even Ron states who I am. You try to act a lot smarter than what you obviously are. Keep trying toolbag!dont fcuk with the Messiah, he doesnt have the patience of bob ;)
Who are you Frank? Which gimmick or split personality do you belong to?
What "waffling" do you see?
I've never taken any stance on the matter, as I wasn't there. That said, I told Milos from day one that I wasn't questioning what he seen, or his observations, but the course taken which ultimately led to his suspension
It wasn't my call either way...all I did was write up Milos' appeal.
Get your facts straight or stay out of the subject
What "waffling" do you see?
I've never taken any stance on the matter, as I wasn't there. That said, I told Milos from day one that I wasn't questioning what he seen, or his observations, but the course taken which ultimately led to his suspension
It wasn't my call either way...all I did was write up Milos' appeal.
Get your facts straight or stay out of the subject
Awesome....see the area you DIDN'T highlight? It completelty contradicts what you wrote in your previous post
Hope this helps you in your quest to comprehend statements
You know, Bob, some of this crap will rub off on you. That is what you deserve and you totally deserve what you get. Bodybuilders have mostly been quiet, solitary guys so I guess that is why they don't work together to get rid of your sorry ass. You pontificate on and on like a school yard bully. A pity you never finished college because that might have helped your self-esteem.haha i'm certain this will press a few buttons LOL
From where I am, Milos runs rings around you and Lee has way more integrity than you will ever have. Just thought you should know.
Hope this helps! :)
haha i'm certain this will press a few buttons LOL
You know, Bob, some of this crap will rub off on you. That is what you deserve and you totally deserve what you get. Bodybuilders have mostly been quiet, solitary guys so I guess that is why they don't work together to get rid of your sorry ass. You pontificate on and on like a school yard bully. A pity you never finished college because that might have helped your self-esteem.
From where I am, Milos runs rings around you and Lee has way more integrity than you will ever have. Just thought you should know.
Hope this helps! :)
hahahaha ohhh shit
From where YOU are??
Where would that be Mr. Basile? At a strangers funeral? LOL, what a joke....as if YOU have any credibility...you're the biggest joke on this site
As for getting rid of me..If the pro's believe they would do better without my help, or someone else can deliver them to the promised land of riches.....all the ower to them. There is a reason you dont hear of any complaints...
From where YOU are??
Where would that be Mr. Basile? At a strangers funeral? LOL, what a joke....as if YOU have any credibility...you're the biggest joke on this site
As for getting rid of me..If the pro's believe they would do better without my help, or someone else can deliver them to the promised land of riches.....all the power to them. There is a reason you dont hear of any complaints...
Now launch into some long winded diatribe about how Perry Rader actually stole the blueprints of the magic circle from you and made millions....that said, I'm quite sure you've been in the middle of a few "magic circles".
They dont test in ANY shows...that is called CONSISTANT.
They reserve the right to test, or not to test....as it states in the rules.
As for your observation of the seatbelt rule....yes, it is a lesser violation...you know, like arguing the judging decision is to competing in a rival federation....congratula tions, you just made my point
And giving a ticket for one and not the other, despite BOTH being against the law....is called "selective enforcement"
the IFBB have tested shows, as recently as the 2008 arnold classic (acording to Jim Lorimer) as well as several other Arnolds and Olympias. But not at other shows in the same year??
NO shows have been tested in many years....that is a fact
The only person to call this consistent would be a PR man doing his best at damage control.
And people with a brain
Others would called this Inconsistency.
People who dont know the defination of the word...like yourself
Bob you keeping failing to show where the rule book explicity states
that the drug policy is less important than competing in a different fed.
It doesnt state it....action and history does. ANYONE who has jumped shipped, has been suspended. The drug policy they choose not to enforce....you do the math, Einstein
or for that matter, why Bob chick can make slanderous public statements
but Milos cannot. They are both in violation of the same rule, but one offender is an IFBB lackey.
I made general observations about the current state of FBB, Milos made accusations against an individual with specific charges....
The law is clear about a seatbelt violation not being on the same scale as a moving violation.
The IFBB "rules" has no such clarity. The only clarity is that the rules that save face for the IFBB will be enforced.
Why is this so hard to understand?
If one is enforced and the other isn't...thats the very definition of "selective enforcement"...a violation is a violation...why is this so hard to understand?
You dont go to another federation and then slander the federation you came from.
We have ethics and we have laws. In any dispute re the IFBB how are matters settled? Clearly not in some open manner with redress of grievances. What we have seen re Lee Priest is a one year suspension dragging on for far longer. Many have called this punishment unfair. Milos was handled in a similar fashion and his punishment also dragged on and on. What we see is the IFBB punishing dissenters and recalcitrant individuals who do things that cannot be tolerated by the people running the organizations.
Are there open, democratic elections to replace all officials and executives in the IFBB and Pro League? Is the athletes rep a duly elected one by and of the athletes? How does one get rid of someone who is appointed?
These issues are important. Responsible observers see the wrongs that are done to others yet this gets swept under the table. When Lee joined the PDI we debated the issue long and hard on Getbig and other forums. Likewise, we saw Milos debate the corruption issue online. It mattered not where justice and common sense lay because the IFBB is a closed shop and decisions made in the back room are official and that is the end of the matter. Anyone who criticizes the IFBB and those running it are in turn criticized. There is no openness and hardly any responsibility of officials to the very bodybuilders they represent. If the bodybuilders don't like what they do then bad luck. There is virtually nothing they can do about it. Outspoken bodybuilders will find it hard to place or win in future contests. For some reason these renegades place 8th or lower in future contests.
You dont go to another federation and then slander the federation you came from.
Nothing "draged out" other than they were denied....
and what reasons would there be to deny reentry other than spite?
Bob, you still sound like the cadet deputy sheriff than a bona fide athletes rep.
Ongoing infractions, failure to provide the necessary items/ paperwork/requests, etc
Chick, when will you answer the question!
Again; ''What are you doing behind-the-scenes to improve this so-called sports tarnished reputation?''
Yes Chick, you also have a responsibility to help improve this sport's appalling and laughable position.
Being athlete's rep is just so very important. And yes, by helping to clean up this sport you are in turn actually helping the athletes.
Stop dodging and weaving Chick!
What's Milos saying here; that he's not signing any new contract and is instead suing the Pro League?
http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=12209.msg148100#msg148100
If you should decide to sue the IFBB Pro League, Milos, just make sure that you do not take legal advise from the one who claims to have a background in law (Chick)!
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Mr. Milos Sarcev
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AN UNDERTAKING TO ABIDE BY THE IFBB PROFESSIONAL RULES
I, Milos Sarcev, join the IFBB Professional League, hereinafter “Pro League”, of my own free
will and, by my signature on this undertaking; I acknowledge, accept and agree:
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full term of my membership, I shall remain at all times a member in good standing; specifically, I
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2. That the Pro League has authority to place into effect and enforce such regulations,
policies, directives, decisions and rulings as it may from time to time deem necessary to manage
itself and the sport it governs.
3. That the Pro League has authority to impose disciplinary measures or sanctions against
its members if they are found to be in breach of the Pro Rules.
4. That all members of the Pro League are solely responsibility for remaining current with
the Pro Rules, which are published at www.IFBBPRO.com.
Additionally, I acknowledge, accept and agree:
5. That I shall follow the Code of Ethics, which forms an integral part of the Pro Rules.
6. That I shall exercise my right of protest or complaint in a courteous and respectful
manner, following the proper chain of command.
7. That I shall refrain from personal attacks or undue negative criticism against the Pro
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but not be limited to, the World Wide Web.
8. That I shall refrain from any conduct that may be considered prejudicial to the Pro
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image of the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure, and the Pro League.
10. That my failure to abide by the Pro Rules and this undertaking may result in my
immediate expulsion from the Pro League.
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Chick, when will you answer the question!
Again; ''What are you doing behind-the-scenes to improve this so-called sports tarnished reputation?''
Yes Chick, you also have a responsibility to help improve this sport's appalling and laughable position.
Being athlete's rep is just so very important. And yes, by helping to clean up this sport you are in turn actually helping the athletes.
Stop dodging and weaving Chick!
Guess number 12 already nixes the deal...since were reading it on this forum
did they really think Milos would agree to such one sided terms?
Guess number 12 already nixes the deal...since were reading it on this forum
The contract terms can only be summed up in one word....draconian!
Allow me to enlighten our "athletes' rep" with "a background in law" just how this term came into being.
You see, Draco was the law scribe called by the tyrannical Nobles in ancient Athens around the turn of the 7th century BC to codify all the unjust laws used to persecute the ordinary poor citizens. Draco's laws were infamous for their severity of punishment, even for a minor crime like stealing an apple from an orchard. Death was the commonest punishment for both serious and minor crimes.
Of this grim code of laws, men said they were written in blood. That is how the term Draconian Law's came to be synonymous with pieces of harsh inhuman legislation.
Fortunately for ancient Athens, the tyrannical Nobles - especially the accursed Alcmaeonidae” – were overthrown and banished. The great poet, statesman, and lawmaker, Solon, was authorized to prepare a new set of laws relieving the miseries of the poorer people of Athens.
One of the poor BB's being persecuted by the IFBB Pro League....a travesty that Chick is trying so strenuously to defend is Milos. Guess there can be only one inevitable outcome. Eventual triumph of right over wrong...and the end of the evil empire! Saw what happened to the tyrannical Saddam and Paul Chua.
They aren't asking to be back in the club
Thats exactly what the IFBB is, a club, not a federation or sporting governing body as it likes to portray itself as ::)
Thats exactly what the IFBB is, a club, not a federation or sporting governing body as it likes to portray itself as ::)
Hopefully Milos comes on to tell us what the plan is. Looks pretty obvious that he's not signing any contract at least. He already breached the terms there.will Milos be at the NYPro?
I do think he's done competing. I suspect the arms are in bad shape and it's not a good idea to ruin the image of the "beautiful" physique he used to have.
Milos is lucky to be let back in at all. It's a pretty idiotic move to accuse someone of rigging shows without being able to show any proof, and then expect everything to just be cool after that. Sounds like Milos wanted to be hero but wasn't prepared to be a martyr.the pictures wern't admitted as evidence.
Milos is lucky to be let back in at all. It's a pretty idiotic move to accuse someone of rigging shows without being able to show any proof, and then expect everything to just be cool after that. Sounds like Milos wanted to be hero but wasn't prepared to be a martyr.
To add insult to injury we now see Bob C's image on national TV in Australia advertising a recent movie. Congratulations, Bob! That is your forte, show business, not the monkey business called the IFBB!
Wow - incredible... resorting back to the IFBB and drug policies. That is what you come to. Basketball, football, baseball - all of inconsistant policies too, and gasp, do they really enforce them... come on, we have talked about the lack of enforcement, aka A-Rod and many others over and over again. So get off the subject. Steroids, prescription drugs are there, end of story.
As for women's bodybuilding, Bob said what he felt. He didnt slander anyone. He felt the genre of the sport was not going in the right direction. Many agreed with him. Women's bodybuilding needed to go back to where symmetry was queen, not muscularity, and in many shows I go to know, it is getting back there. At the Emerald Cup, I was very impressed by the winner, Laurie Smith.
There are a myriad of rules and guidelines in every sport. Screaming every time a rule is violated is crazy. Consider them guidelines, but like many things, including this board, which has very simple rules, people cross the line, and some rules you do not cross.
You dont go to another federation and then slander the federation you came from.
You dont accuse someone, regardless, of things unless you have some proof. And a picture isnt proof.
Those actions are much more than, oh... the guy stripped at one time, oh, the guy did drugs, oh the competitor took a topless or nude shot or video.
Hell, half of Hollywoods actors would be out.
I feel like you are grasping at straws all the time, and it is quite amusing now.
Ron,
I see you are coming to Bob's aid,
As he is unable to answer questions.
Hell he is so shallow he can't even stand behind his own statements "women's bodybuilding belongs in a trash can"
Bob, do you think Betty Pariso, Lenda Murray all belong in a trash can?
Funny how the rule don't quite apply to the stooges
despite your rantings, you also have yet to explain why the ifbb can't follow its own drug rule.
It's already been answered a few times..you're just too stupid to inderstand it. The IFBB rules clearly state that they "reserve the right" to test at any show.
Giving my opinion about the current state of FBB (an entity), is much different than calling out specific individuals (which Milos did)
Not too bright, are you?
The rules also state that drugs are prohibited. I guess following its own rules is too tough for the IFBB.
In "Giving your opinion" as you call it, you slammed 50-100 IFBB members, which was via a "public statement"
Also against the rules.
Bob Chick somehow got a pass. Being Manions litle boy certainly has its privileges.
This is simple truth and logic, Chick. It is not difficult to see why you don't follow.
Talk about a circus. Where does 'Dick' get these emails from? Is Paul Chua posting in this thread?
By the way, what are the proper protocols for the pro athletes rep? Why is he allowed to post on Getbig when the other pros are forbidden to do so? If Bob is a current pro then what goes? If he isn't a current pro he shouldn't be representing them.
Chick is instructed to get the last word in no matter what. I guess he avoided my question but then again his answer is that he is no longer a pro. I guess most of us have to hang up our posing trunks one day.
Could you state what the athletes rep job is? Or do you make it up as you go? You know, do what Jim tells you.
Feel free to dig up the interview and disprove anything I said.....I guess "slammed" in your mind means that some people disagree....I got news for you....most of the girls I talked to agreed with me....judging by the state of FBB as it is, looks like the majority is on my side.
sure thing, Basile....the job of the athletes rep is to represent the athletes...any more stupid questions?
You still failed to answer my question.
Does Betty Pariso belong in a trash can?
Note - Betty is a female bodybuilder, one of the people that you say belongs in a trash can.
If Manion is considered "the majority", then you are correct. The majority is on your side.
Better get the quote right...you making an idiot of yourself.....again.
You failed to disprove the ifbb arbitrary application of its so called rules,
and you are yet again failing to stand behind your own words (public statement)
thus, you make a good ifbb stooge
I'm convinced the IFBB's term "Athelete's Representative" is all fluff. Chick is IFBB's fluffer. Anyone would be happy to have such a position($$$$). I would take that opportunity; Shawn wanted that position.
It's a non paying position, Genius
From: Mohamed Haleem
Subject: Dear Asian Brothers and Sisters
My dear Asian Brothers and Sisters,
Some Associations have received threatening letters from the Acting General-Secretary of the IFBB Corporation, William Tierney, as directed by his boss Rafael Santonja.
Mr. Tierney is warning us that he will write to our respective governments to complain about us participating in the ABBF Extra-Ordinary Congress. They fail to realize that we are living in a free and democratic society.
The IFBB it seems, have gone back to the Dark Ages and have resorted to using threats and intimidation to get what they want. This is the behaviour of an animal without any justice or fair-play. They have forgotten all about the fundamentals of Sport, that is to build bridges of friendship between the competitors, now all they want is power, to dictate our every move. Will he ever try to pull such a stunt on the Europeans? If so, they would just tell him to go rot in Hell.
The "IFBB CORPORATION" should convince us, with the proof, about the questions raised by Mr. Axel Bauer. Trust me when I say that the signatures on certain documents were forged in Montreal, Canada. The truth will come out soon.
The 'IFBB Corporation' thinks that we are fools and that they can play games with us. We will not become puppets of the IFBB regime. They must take notice of this.
We request the “IFBB Corporation” to leave us Asians alone and to go make money on their own if that’s what they wish. We DO NOT RECOGNISE IFBB as can be seen by the majority in attendance at the Extra Ordinary Congress held on 22nd April, 2009 in Kuala Lumpur.
Kindly provide us with clear proof where all the money from IFBB.Inc in Canada was deposited. Why is it that IFBB Spain made payments through a company operated by Rafael Santonja and not by the corporation or association? Simply answer the questions posed by Mr.Axel Bauer and we will gladly support the IFBB.
It’s such a shame to see a British gentleman such as Mr.William Tierney misbehaving in this unsightly manner. Though just been appointed as the Act. General Secretary, he now wants to show us he just might act like his buddy Adel Fahim.
Seems like the reason that Prof. Mauricio is silent is because he was also involved in the scandal of Jose’s case on doping because the athlete is from Brazil. He was so upset that he demanded Mr.Paul Chua to produce the documents of the 2005 doping within 48 hours. Really, I fail to understand the poor mentality of these so called senior officers and workers of the IFBB. Maurico is a paid staff and he acts as though the IFBB Corporation belongs to him.
Asian brothers and sisters please show all the documents which Mr Paul Chua sent to us to your government and EXPOSE these cheats.
Haleem
Maldives
Quote my words, and we'll see....
I have quoted you.
the ball is in your court to address your vile comments.
instead you insist on dodging.
From: Mohamed Haleem
[...]
The IFBB it seems, have gone back to the Dark Ages and have resorted to using threats and intimidation to get what they want. This is the behaviour of an animal without any justice or fair-play. They have forgotten all about the fundamentals of Sport,
Where is the quote?
I have no reason to dodge...I put it in print
From: Mohamed Haleem
Subject: Dear Asian Brothers and Sisters
My dear Asian Brothers and Sisters,
Some Associations have received threatening letters from the Acting General-Secretary of the IFBB Corporation, William Tierney, as directed by his boss Rafael Santonja.
Mr. Tierney is warning us that he will write to our respective governments to complain about us participating in the ABBF Extra-Ordinary Congress. They fail to realize that we are living in a free and democratic society.
The IFBB it seems, have gone back to the Dark Ages and have resorted to using threats and intimidation to get what they want. This is the behaviour of an animal without any justice or fair-play. They have forgotten all about the fundamentals of Sport, that is to build bridges of friendship between the competitors, now all they want is power, to dictate our every move. Will he ever try to pull such a stunt on the Europeans? If so, they would just tell him to go rot in Hell.
The "IFBB CORPORATION" should convince us, with the proof, about the questions raised by Mr. Axel Bauer. Trust me when I say that the signatures on certain documents were forged in Montreal, Canada. The truth will come out soon.
The 'IFBB Corporation' thinks that we are fools and that they can play games with us. We will not become puppets of the IFBB regime. They must take notice of this.
We request the “IFBB Corporation” to leave us Asians alone and to go make money on their own if that’s what they wish. We DO NOT RECOGNISE IFBB as can be seen by the majority in attendance at the Extra Ordinary Congress held on 22nd April, 2009 in Kuala Lumpur.
Kindly provide us with clear proof where all the money from IFBB.Inc in Canada was deposited. Why is it that IFBB Spain made payments through a company operated by Rafael Santonja and not by the corporation or association? Simply answer the questions posed by Mr.Axel Bauer and we will gladly support the IFBB.
It’s such a shame to see a British gentleman such as Mr.William Tierney misbehaving in this unsightly manner. Though just been appointed as the Act. General Secretary, he now wants to show us he just might act like his buddy Adel Fahim.
Seems like the reason that Prof. Mauricio is silent is because he was also involved in the scandal of Jose’s case on doping because the athlete is from Brazil. He was so upset that he demanded Mr.Paul Chua to produce the documents of the 2005 doping within 48 hours. Really, I fail to understand the poor mentality of these so called senior officers and workers of the IFBB. Maurico is a paid staff and he acts as though the IFBB Corporation belongs to him.
Asian brothers and sisters please show all the documents which Mr Paul Chua sent to us to your government and EXPOSE these cheats.
Haleem
Maldives
then kindly explain why you think all of womens bodybuilding belongs in a trash can?
you have rationalized your infractions, while condeming Milos.
hypocrisy at its best.
Wait a minute....you came here and professed to know what I said....so I'm still waiting for the exact quote from my article you felt obligated to comment on....
Are you saying you made a comment without ever actually seeing what was said? Hypocrisy at it's best!
While you're at it....please note where and what, I've "condemed Milos about?
Wait a minute....you came here and professed to know what I said....so I'm still waiting for the exact quote from my article you felt obligated to comment on....
Are you saying you made a comment without ever actually seeing what was said? Hypocrisy at it's best!
While you're at it....please note where and what, I've "condemed Milos about?
It looks like they lost all shame and all sense of reality. I don't really care about those officials, but I feel bad for the athletes nobody seems to care about.
Honestly, I don't think anything has changed since when Ben was running things. He had absolute control over whether you (the athlete, the promoter, the executive) made money or not. So you just went along to stay in his good grace. Did he really thing that everyone would agree to letting Santonja have that same kind of control? The problem is that the IFBB was never a sports federation, looking out for the athletes. Its always been a 'federation' of business owners. Ben owned the international brand. Chua owns the ABBF. In pretty much every country, there is one or a handful of people who own the local franchise. They hold their positions for life. You want to compete, you have to stay in their good grace. there are no checks and balances to hold these franchise owners accountable. That quickly leads to corruption.
If the IFBB wants to survive, it really needs to become a sports federation. Transparent elections and term limits for every international and national executive position would be a great way to start.
I HOPE YOU CAN ANSWER ME WITHIN 7 DAYS OF MY EMAIL, IF NOT I WILL CONSULT MY LAWYER TO SUE YOU AND THE YOUR CORPORATION FOR THREATENING.
Mr. Mohamed Abdulrahim Abdulla,
The "anti-doping" reality of the IFBB is a joke.
It's like a virginity test for prostitutes.
The "anti-doping" reality of the IFBB is a joke.
It's like a virginity test for prostitutes.
Bob Chick (IFBB representative) says that the IFBB applies it rules fairly and justly.
The IFBB Pro League is an independent corporation separate from any amateur corporation that also uses the initials IFBB. Bob is the athletic representative for the pro league only.
Thanks for the clarification...some of these guys just don't seem to get it
yeah, they think the IFBB is some kind of sports federation
::)
Bob Chick........the only "union guy" in the history who represents the company.....
Would a true representative of bodybuilders try to hawk egg whites for $33/gal when you can buy them @ Costco for $15?
(and no, they're NOT "better quality" or somehow "special"... they're fucking egg whites for christ's sake, same as Costco's. ::))
Only 19 more posts to go..!!!
Come on man, make it happen tonight....YOU CAN DO IT!!
none of the winners in the IFBB Worlds/Asian/Euro are natural, IFBB should just be like the NPC and not bother testing, use the money to promote the sport or help the athletes, this whole anti doping bullshit is fucking stupid ::)
The idiots are still sentimental about Ben's dream of bodybuilding being included in the Olympics.
The idiots are still sentimental about Ben's dream of bodybuilding being included in the Olympics.
do you think the pro athletes care about whether the IFBB is a private co., federation, or otherwise?
The "anti-doping" reality of the IFBB is a joke.
It's like a virginity test for prostitutes.
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hahahahah...........haha hahah...........cant stop laughing..........u sum it well too damn well.............virgini ty test of prostitutes.....hahahaha h
You bunch of ingnorant f@cktards...arguing over a meaningless drug sport!
Bottom line, the IFBB is private company and can do whatever the f@ck it wants to.
The IFBB have never operated on some 'higher ethical' business model.
Their business plan is a simple one;
-ingore the drug abuse,
-reward the winners with plastic trophies
-never disrespect the homosexual fanbase!
No access to the abbf site. Can't see it listed on Google either.
Getbig.com is the official ABBF site.
Are there Problems????
IFBB DISRESPECT ASIAN ANTION, AND GREAT CORRUPT.
IFBB DO DRUGS TEST RANDOM, AND INSPITE OF THIS, THERE WAS 9 POSITIVE CASES AS I READ IN 2008 WORLD MEN’S CHAMPIONSHIP. & GOD KNOWS HOW MANY WILL BE POSITIVE IF THEY TEST TOP 6 IN EACH CATEGORY.
IFBB CORPORATION PROOF THAT THEY CHEAT AND HIDE DOPING CASES, AS THEY TRIED TO:
1. HIDE JOSE CARLOS FROM BRAZIL.
2. STILL HIDING ONE ( ALI ) FROM IRAN.
3. REDUCED THE SUSPENSION OF QATAR ATHELETE FROM LIFE BANNED TO ONE YEAR ONLY.
4. REMOVED THE SUSPENSION FROM QATAR FEDERATION, FOR THEIR SERIOUS DOPING VIOLATION.
5. MANIPULATE THE RESULTS?
6. TAKE BRIBERIES.
THEREFORE THIYEAR IN EURO CHAMPIONSHIP, THE WADA TEAM TESTED ALL THE ATHELTES, AND GOD KNOWS HOW MANY POSITIVE CASES WILL BE?
NO MORE TRUST FOR IFBB CORPORATION, SPECIALLY THE PRESIDENT RAFAEL AND HIS SENIOR OFFICERS.
IT WAS A GREAT DISRESPECT FRO CHINESE TAIPIE BODYBUILDING FEDERATION FROM THE IFBB PRESIDENT OF HIS EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TO ATTEND THE SPECIAL MEETING WHICH WAS ARRANGED BY CHINSES TAIPEI BB FEDERATION WITH THE WORLD GAMES ORGANISING COMMITTEE.
RAFEL IS SCARED TO GO TO ASIA, BECAUSE A LOT OF QUESTION WILL ASKED, AND HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY ANSWER FOR THEM.
Can anyone find ABBF webside (http://www.abbf.biz/ (http://www.abbf.biz/))?
I would say the ABBF is more guilty than Rafael and the IFBB for those particular incidents, what about the situation in HK with Hong Kong bodybuilder Chan Yun To, he was caught and banned yet the HK fed hid the positive test results from the public and got the ABBF to shorten his ban, he has tested postive more than once, he was awarded not only money but civil awards from the Hong Kong government for his winning of medals in the Asian championships,Asian games etc, how would it look if it was exposed to the public that a drug cheat received public money and civil awards and that his crimes were covered, the man is a liar and a cheat, the HK fed should be investigated to ::)
There's only one way to settle this: Paul Chua vs. Rafael Santonja in a CAGE FIGHT!
"Two men enter, one man leaves!"
TOTALLY AGREE, AND I FEEL THAT PAUL CHUA WILL WIN, BECUASE AS I HEARD HW AND MR. AXEL BOTH THEY HAVE HUGE DOCUMENTS AGAINST RAFAEL.
WE ARE WAITING FOR THIS FIGHT, AND WISH WE WILL KNOW THE TRUTH, AND ATHELETES GET THEIR JUSTICE.
So the ABBF is no longer part of the IFBB
MY FRIEND,
THERE IS NO INTERNATIONAL FEDERATION REGISTERED OR RECOGNIZED BY INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE ( IOC ) WITH THE NAME OF IFBB. AS I TOLD IT IS REGISTERED AS CORPORATION.
ABBF WILL NEVER RESPECT, AND FOLLOW THE IFBB CORPORATION CONSTITUTION, OR OBEY THEIR CHEATING RULES.
Can you blame these horny old schmoes for fighting to the death over who gets first dibs on the tanned, oiled, thong-wearing musclemen? ???
:D
That's not an IFBB senior official with an ambitious young muscleman!:D
From: Sugree Supawarikul <seabbf@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: IFBB THREATS BY WILLIAM TIERNERY AND HIS BOSS RAFAEL SANTONJA
To: abbfasia@yahoo.com.sg
Cc: "Douglas Latchford" <skanda@loxinfo.co.th>
Date: Sunday, 7 June, 2009, 12:26 AM
Dear ABBF Members,
The Thailand Bodybuilding Association wish to register its great disappointment with the barbaric and uncouth behaviour of the so called "ifbb" officers.
I defend whats right, whether it be on Milos' behalf, or Lee Priest, or whoever...as I've stated from the start of all this....I have no horse in this race.
My "job" in this particular case concerning Milos, was to insure that he was given fair and equitable treatment, and that the rules were followed on the side of the IFBB in reference to the disciplinary action taken.
Oh boy...your job in this particular case was TO INSURE THAT I WAS GIVEN FAIR AND EQUITABLE TREATMENT, and that the rules were followed on the side of the IFBB in reference to disciplinary action taken?!
And WHAT DID YOU DO EXACTLY?
You insured - WHAT?
I can only speculate about what Ben knew or didn't know....
Milos dropped out of that show (see pic) because he had to apply bronzer on Jay. Story sounds fishy to me. Never heard that one before.
HI MILOS I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU AND YOU SUFFERED A LOT, RAFAEL, JIM, AND ALL OTHERS ALL THE MOST CORRUPT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.
Oh boy...your job in this particular case was TO INSURE THAT I WAS GIVEN FAIR AND EQUITABLE TREATMENT, and that the rules were followed on the side of the IFBB in reference to disciplinary action taken?!
And WHAT DID YOU DO EXACTLY?
You insured - WHAT?
I got investigated for my conduct (as I was reporting INTERNATIONAL CRIME) rather than Paul Chua, Asian Games judges, doping control group, official weigh-inn results, official score sheets…etc?
I reported directly from Doha to IFBB AMATEUR president (Rafael) – after first and before second day of the competition – with possibility to MAKE A DIFFERENCE - IF I was given a chance…and authority to collect my “proof”…
Upon my return I personally reported each and every detail to IFBB PRO president (Jim) and in our conversation he told me he doesn’t doubt me – but he can’t do nothing about it unless I have a proof…
And PROOF is what YOU failed to provide...three times over. YOU were the one who decided to take matters into your own hands, and was subsequently suspended for it. Had you followed proper procedure....it may have been a much quicker route to fact finding. Instead, all you managed to do was alert Chua that there would be inquiries made into his practices and possible wrong doing. You were (and are)...your own worst enemy. I didn't have to DO anything....I have nothing to do with Raphael, the Asian Games, Paul Chua....
I told him that proof is in:
1) score sheets
2) doping test
3) official weigh in results
and certainly, I could not request for these documents – BUT HE COULD…And Jim promised that he would contact Rafael and directly ask him for it.
As I was checking with Jim – my documents never came – and he told me – Rafael never sent it…!?!
Sounds like you have a problem with Jim...I suggest you take it up with HIM. I requested all of what you wrote in your official appeal which I submitted on your behalf at your request
Yet – I got suspended – exactly when I was ready to make a comeback – in possibly the very best shape of my life (I planned to enter EVERY CONTEST that would be organized throughout a year – as I did many times in my career – 1991, 92, 97, 99…
You got suspended for not following protcol, and not providing proof of allegations..that was YOUR choice. You could have achieved the same thing without being suspended had you done so. Because you're a hothead and cant control your mouth...the consequences were a direct result of your OWN actions
My photo with Jay was in Romania at 2006 Euro tour – 4 months before the Ironman 2007…that I was eager to enter.
Your boss Russ De Luca was kind enough to offer me financial help + taping of my preparation for Ironman/Arnold Classic
My boss Russ was kind enough...but it was MY idea to film your prep...which you have no idea of. Who do you think was going to do it, Russ?
Jim Lorimer invited me to compete – but suggested that I “straighten-out” things with the IFBB – so I could step on the stage…and maybe EARN MY LIVING…
As you mentioned FAIRNESS AND EQUATIBLE TREATMENT you supposedly have INSURED FOR ME…can you elaborate on that for a moment?
Absolutely...the IFBB played their hand, and suspended you for failing to provide proof. They did it by the book. Had you presented the proof you insisted you had...they would have had no choice but to NOT suspend you. You failed to provide said proof...end of story. There was nothing I could do for you
Not just that I was denied to compete for over 2 and a half years now…I was NOT allowed to make my living in my chosen profession and my Federation – WORLD WIDE – as Mr. Paul Chua made sure he calls every promoter I had scheduled appearance or some work…July 2007 in Japan (trip scheduled and organized BEFORE my suspension) with up to 8 appearances - was absolute disaster – as I was there – yet NOT ALLOWED to even show my face in the audience…
Same goes for some of my US and European IFBB related business opportunities – that I had to CANCEL – BECAUSE…?
Fairness and equitable treatment you are saying?
To top everything OFF – I lost my 15-year publication endorsement contract with Weider…and than couple of months later I even lost my 5 or 6 years long “gym contract" – for FLEX photo-shoots!
Additionally – loss of IFBB PRO STATUS caused me NOT to be considered for otherwise certain money-making opportunities…
Now, can you remind me WHAT DID YOU DO FOR ME?
Why do you keep asking what I could do for you? I never said I could do ANYTHING for you, other than what I did....YOU made the allegations, YOU failed to provide proof, YOU failed to aid in your own appeal....It's your OWN actions that led to your suspension...how about taking responsibility for your OWN decisions?
As you are constantly "putting a foot in your mouth" - claiming exactly the OPPOSITE of what you are actually doing...I will let you explain here to me (and others) PARTICULARS of your "given :-X" job?
I've claimed nothing I haven't done...as for putting one's "foot in their mouth"...you're the undisputed KING
Maybe "first particular" that most of us would really want to know is: HOW and WHY our President - Mr. Jim Manion made that "shocking twist" and changed the rules regarding the IFBB PRO ATHLETES REPRESENTATIVE....?
No rules were changed as there werent any rules set forth about the position other than what Wayne put together....who was REPLACED. I took over when Shawn decided to step down...If you have such a problem with it, I suggest you get reinstated and run against me for the position....as I openly invite anyone else to do
As you were not the IFBB professional (back in 1991,2,3,4...7,8,9) you probably don't know about all the "fights" between Wayne on one side and Shawn and myself on the other...regarding the formation of the OFFICIAL IFBB PRO REP position (pro athlete representing pro athletes - makes sense, don't you think?) - who would represent ALL OF US - THE ATHLETES (OUR NEEDS, WISHES, IDEAS...etc) and be our voice in the "Office"...How do you explain your position and/or job? Athlete for Officials? Hmmm?
I'll put my record up any day of the week for the changes made over the last 3 years....as for all your "fights"...you managed to accomplish NOTHING except fighting....no union, no rep position....ZERO. You were nowhere to be found in any form at the union meeting I organized, and have contributed NOTHING by way of proposals, ideas, etc....a lot of TALK and pissing in the wind....just like the old days, right?.....you know....back in 1991,2,3,4...7,8,9 when I wasn't a pro
For years, Wayne successfully managed to keep us unorganized and apart from each other - making sure that we don't get the Union...and start actually asking for some advances...(OMG :o!) and - better things!?
WRONG.....YOU successfully managed to keep YOURSELVES unorganized and apart from each other, making sure you didn't get a union
He made us aware that IN ORDER for us to have a "voice"/ athletes representative in the ifbb office - we have to come up with 51% of the total votes...
Now - how did you get your title? And what IS the title anyway?
Title is "Athletes Representative"...and how I got it was showing an interest in it....you know...something you've NEVER done, or tried...just a whole lot of hot air
Vince rightfully gave you devoted OOR title - possibly even before me (?) I am not sure...Vince - do you remember who called our "Bobby" the puppet - DEVOTED (in true sense of that word) OFFICIAL IFBB OFFICIALS REP?
Instead of athletes being represented in officials offices (adding officially - makes it more official!) - so.... instead of having official athletes rep in officials offices with possibility to demand/requests favorable changes for athletes - we got official officials representative who is "sneaking in" every wish, change, rule and/or demand coming from head office...EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what we all need...
Why not ask the athletes if the proposals I've gotten passed are "exactly the opposite" of what we need....more money, health coverage, more qualifying, a 202 division, increased per diem, etc....lets see a list from YOU of "what we need"....
yet the one Milos was calling corrupt was your friend Paul Chua.
as I've written before, years and years ago I was being told stories of Chua's corruption.
yet the one Milos was calling corrupt was your friend Paul Chua.
as I've written before, years and years ago I was being told stories of Chua's corruption.
From: Sugree Supawarikul <seabbf@yahoo.com>
c.c. Sir Douglas Latchford, President TBBA
Note: Datuk Paul Chua, kindly send this email to all members of the ABBF as well to all the IFBB members because Rafael Santonja and William Tierney are going over board and they must be stopped for their tyranny behaviour.
The title "Sir" is one of the highest honors awarded to outstanding people by the Queen of England. If you are a citizen of the United Kingdom you are allowed to use the title If not, then you receive and Honorary Knighthood - example would be RUDOLPH GIULIANI - but cannot use the title.
Douglas Latchford has received neither a Knighthood or an Honorary Knighthood.
Seems to me bodybuilding attracts the same personalities. Dreamers and wannabes who want to transcend themselves and be someone more than they are. Ben Weider had an honorary PhD but claimed that degree. Melvin Goodrum got his PhD in metaphysics through a donation to a religious college. Same delusion.
Paul Graham used to wrestle as Lord Paul, Mr Australia. He never won that title. He won two awards in a Southern Mr Universe contest (best abs and arms) and when he wrestled he liked to give the impression that he won the Mr Universe title twice. Talk about exaggerating. Now he runs the IFBB in Australia and is a vice-president of the IFBB. Appointed as usual. He was elected once but has had no elections since that I am aware of. The IFBB knows the type to pick to represent them. The first quality is absolute loyalty. Those who obey are rewarded with the spoils and awards. The egocentric bodybuilders are so desperate to win titles that they learn to kiss butt early and not go against those running the contests. Seems to me Ben Weider knew exactly how to control the slow-witted muscleheads. There are still treated like sheep at contest. Line up, right turn, and more crap. Is there no end to the nonsense associated with this sport?
Apparently Paul Graham is a prick. What is your take on this?
h boy...your job in this particular case was TO INSURE THAT I WAS GIVEN FAIR AND EQUITABLE TREATMENT, and that the rules were followed on the side of the IFBB in reference to disciplinary action taken?!
And WHAT DID YOU DO EXACTLY?
You insured - WHAT?
I got investigated for my conduct (as I was reporting INTERNATIONAL CRIME) rather than Paul Chua, Asian Games judges, doping control group, official weigh-inn results, official score sheets…etc?
I reported directly from Doha to IFBB AMATEUR president (Rafael) – after first and before second day of the competition – with possibility to MAKE A DIFFERENCE - IF I was given a chance…and authority to collect my “proof”…
Upon my return I personally reported each and every detail to IFBB PRO president (Jim) and in our conversation he told me he doesn’t doubt me – but he can’t do nothing about it unless I have a proof…
And PROOF is what YOU failed to provide...three times over. YOU were the one who decided to take matters into your own hands, and was subsequently suspended for it. Had you followed proper procedure....it may have been a much quicker route to fact finding. Instead, all you managed to do was alert Chua that there would be inquiries made into his practices and possible wrong doing. You were (and are)...your own worst enemy. I didn't have to DO anything....I have nothing to do with Raphael, the Asian Games, Paul Chua....
I told him that proof is in:
1) score sheets
2) doping test
3) official weigh in results
and certainly, I could not request for these documents – BUT HE COULD…And Jim promised that he would contact Rafael and directly ask him for it.
As I was checking with Jim – my documents never came – and he told me – Rafael never sent it…!?!
Sounds like you have a problem with Jim...I suggest you take it up with HIM. I requested all of what you wrote in your official appeal which I submitted on your behalf at your request
Yet – I got suspended – exactly when I was ready to make a comeback – in possibly the very best shape of my life (I planned to enter EVERY CONTEST that would be organized throughout a year – as I did many times in my career – 1991, 92, 97, 99…
You got suspended for not following protcol, and not providing proof of allegations..that was YOUR choice. You could have achieved the same thing without being suspended had you done so. Because you're a hothead and cant control your mouth...the consequences were a direct result of your OWN actions
My photo with Jay was in Romania at 2006 Euro tour – 4 months before the Ironman 2007…that I was eager to enter.
Your boss Russ De Luca was kind enough to offer me financial help + taping of my preparation for Ironman/Arnold Classic
My boss Russ was kind enough...but it was MY idea to film your prep...which you have no idea of. Who do you think was going to do it, Russ?
Jim Lorimer invited me to compete – but suggested that I “straighten-out” things with the IFBB – so I could step on the stage…and maybe EARN MY LIVING…
As you mentioned FAIRNESS AND EQUATIBLE TREATMENT you supposedly have INSURED FOR ME…can you elaborate on that for a moment?
Absolutely...the IFBB played their hand, and suspended you for failing to provide proof. They did it by the book. Had you presented the proof you insisted you had...they would have had no choice but to NOT suspend you. You failed to provide said proof...end of story. There was nothing I could do for you
Not just that I was denied to compete for over 2 and a half years now…I was NOT allowed to make my living in my chosen profession and my Federation – WORLD WIDE – as Mr. Paul Chua made sure he calls every promoter I had scheduled appearance or some work…July 2007 in Japan (trip scheduled and organized BEFORE my suspension) with up to 8 appearances - was absolute disaster – as I was there – yet NOT ALLOWED to even show my face in the audience…
Same goes for some of my US and European IFBB related business opportunities – that I had to CANCEL – BECAUSE…?
Fairness and equitable treatment you are saying?
To top everything OFF – I lost my 15-year publication endorsement contract with Weider…and than couple of months later I even lost my 5 or 6 years long “gym contract" – for FLEX photo-shoots!
Additionally – loss of IFBB PRO STATUS caused me NOT to be considered for otherwise certain money-making opportunities…
Now, can you remind me WHAT DID YOU DO FOR ME?
Why do you keep asking what I could do for you? I never said I could do ANYTHING for you, other than what I did....YOU made the allegations, YOU failed to provide proof, YOU failed to aid in your own appeal....It's your OWN actions that led to your suspension...how about taking responsibility for your OWN decisions?
As you are constantly "putting a foot in your mouth" - claiming exactly the OPPOSITE of what you are actually doing...I will let you explain here to me (and others) PARTICULARS of your "given Lips sealed" job?
I've claimed nothing I haven't done...as for putting one's "foot in their mouth"...you're the undisputed KING
Maybe "first particular" that most of us would really want to know is: HOW and WHY our President - Mr. Jim Manion made that "shocking twist" and changed the rules regarding the IFBB PRO ATHLETES REPRESENTATIVE....?
No rules were changed as there werent any rules set forth about the position other than what Wayne put together....who was REPLACED. I took over when Shawn decided to step down...If you have such a problem with it, I suggest you get reinstated and run against me for the position....as I openly invite anyone else to do
As you were not the IFBB professional (back in 1991,2,3,4...7,8,9) you probably don't know about all the "fights" between Wayne on one side and Shawn and myself on the other...regarding the formation of the OFFICIAL IFBB PRO REP position (pro athlete representing pro athletes - makes sense, don't you think?) - who would represent ALL OF US - THE ATHLETES (OUR NEEDS, WISHES, IDEAS...etc) and be our voice in the "Office"...How do you explain your position and/or job? Athlete for Officials? Hmmm?
I'll put my record up any day of the week for the changes made over the last 3 years....as for all your "fights"...you managed to accomplish NOTHING except fighting....no union, no rep position....ZERO. You were nowhere to be found in any form at the union meeting I organized, and have contributed NOTHING by way of proposals, ideas, etc....a lot of TALK and pissing in the wind....just like the old days, right?.....you know....back in 1991,2,3,4...7,8,9 when I wasn't a pro
For years, Wayne successfully managed to keep us unorganized and apart from each other - making sure that we don't get the Union...and start actually asking for some advances...(OMG Shocked!) and - better things!?
WRONG.....YOU successfully managed to keep YOURSELVES unorganized and apart from each other, making sure you didn't get a union
He made us aware that IN ORDER for us to have a "voice"/ athletes representative in the ifbb office - we have to come up with 51% of the total votes...
Now - how did you get your title? And what IS the title anyway?
Title is "Athletes Representative"...and how I got it was showing an interest in it....you know...something you've NEVER done, or tried...just a whole lot of hot air
Vince rightfully gave you devoted OOR title - possibly even before me (?) I am not sure...Vince - do you remember who called our "Bobby" the puppet - DEVOTED (in true sense of that word) OFFICIAL IFBB OFFICIALS REP?
Instead of athletes being represented in officials offices (adding officially - makes it more official!) - so.... instead of having official athletes rep in officials offices with possibility to demand/requests favorable changes for athletes - we got official officials representative who is "sneaking in" every wish, change, rule and/or demand coming from head office...EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what we all need...
Why not ask the athletes if the proposals I've gotten passed are "exactly the opposite" of what we need....more money, health coverage, more qualifying, a 202 division, increased per diem, etc....lets see a list from YOU of "what we need"....
chick,
why haven't you or the IFBB congratulated Milos for exposing corruption in the ABBF?
chick,
why haven't you or the IFBB congratulated Milos for exposing corruption in the ABBF?
No one doubted him (at least not me)...what was needed was proof to the accusations.
I havent folowed the story enough to know if what Milos alledged was what he was suspended for, of if there were other improprieties...all I know is that the entire ABBF was suspended, including Paul Chua.
The point is why shoot the messanger???Chick reading some of Milos post to you we all get the feeling that he thinks you are a JOKE and so is your position of athletes rep.
The point is why shoot the messanger???Chick reading some of Milos post to you we all get the feeling that he thinks you are a JOKE and so is your position of athletes rep.agreed
No one doubted him (at least not me)...what was needed was proof to the accusations.
I havent folowed the story enough to know if what Milos alledged was what he was suspended for, of if there were other improprieties...all I know is that the entire ABBF was suspended, including Paul Chua.
This thread is funny. Chic fighting a fight he isn't and can't win. Kind of like that guy in Monty Python who never gave up the fight.
What fight is that?
My only issue is with Milos and his slanted versions of the truth....as for the whole situation....I have nothing to do with it.
What fight is that?
My only issue is with Milos and his slanted versions of the truth....as for the whole situation....I have nothing to do with it.
I AGREE MILOS WAS FIGHTING FOR THE TRUTH, AND AT THE END HE GOT IT, BUT THE WAY HE ACTED TO PROOF TOOK A LONG TIME., BECAUSE JIM AND IFBB CORPORATION FROM PRESIDENT RAFAEL TO HIS SENIOR OFFICERS ALL WAS AGAINST MILOS, DUE TO THEIR CORRUPT.
you need to learn the difference between corruption and hypocrisy. Corruption is deciding contest placings based on what's in your best financial interest. Hypocrisy is claiming to be a drug free organization but knowing that every one of your top athletes is not, and that drug testing is done only to the extent to have plausible deniability. Corruption is requiring athletes or their country's organization to pay you for the athlete to place. Hypocrisy is selectively enforcing rules.
Cc: "Chua Paul" <abbfasia@yahoo.com.sg>
This is disgraceful and shameful that you are keeping quiet and supporting competitions which are tainted with drugs.
You are scared and hiding. I look forward to your reply about my offer for you to be in Tehran, Iran to address the ABBF Congress with Question and Answers. I spoke to ABBF Officials and they are ready to take you on. Come on Rafael if you are honest and a true gentleman - PLEASE ACCEPT THIS OFFER.
you need to learn the difference between corruption and hypocrisy. Corruption is deciding contest placings based on what's in your best financial interest. Hypocrisy is claiming to be a drug free organization but knowing that every one of your top athletes is not, and that drug testing is done only to the extent to have plausible deniability. Corruption is requiring athletes or their country's organization to pay you for the athlete to place. Hypocrisy is selectively enforcing rules.
THANKS FOR YOUR INFORMATION, AND I DO UNDERSTAND, ABOUT THE TWO WORDS MEANING, AND BOTHE APPLY FOR IFBB.
Sadly they apply to both the IFBB and the ABBF, the victim is the sport of bodybuilding
NABBA split in 2 federation in 2001, now it is the turn of the IFBB
The IFBB is a lot more international than NABBA, the is no real NABBA presence in Asia
MY FREIND TO MY KNOWLEDEGE THERE IS NABBA IN ASIA AND SPECIALY IN INDIA. NABBA ARE MORE TRANSPRANCE THAN IFBB, THEY NEVER CHEAT AND HIDE THE RESULTS AS IFBB DO, NOW IFBB EXPOSE, AND IT IS A PRIVATE COMPANY UNDER INTERNATIONAL BODY BUILDERS INC. NON-PROFIT CORPORATION, AND FOR THE THE LAST 40 YEARS THEY WAS HIDING THIS TRUTH FROM ALL, AND NOW IFBB CORPORATION EXPOSED.
NABBA split in 2 federation in 2001
NOW IFBB EXPOSE, AND IT IS A PRIVATE COMPANY UNDER INTERNATIONAL BODY BUILDERS INC. NON-PROFIT CORPORATION, AND FOR THE THE LAST 40 YEARS THEY WAS HIDING THIS TRUTH FROM ALL, AND NOW IFBB CORPORATION EXPOSED.
THANKS FOR YOUR INFORMATION, AND I DO UNDERSTAND, ABOUT THE TWO WORDS MEANING, AND BOTHE APPLY FOR IFBB.
No it didn't. Jose Lopez, the Australian chairman, stepped down when he was charged with possession of drugs (including Ecstasy) for distribution. When the charges got dismissed (on a technicality) he wanted his old job back. NABBA said thanks but no thanks. He and Jim Plitt, the New Zealand chairman, then tried to take over the international NABBA and failed. They tried hooking up with NAC, calling the NAC Universe the NABBA Universe (while everyone else continued to call it the NAC Universe). Finally NAC told them to just go away. Graeme Lancefield has been the chairman of NABBA Australia since 1999. This faux-NABBA is really just New Zealand. nabba-international.com is the website of the real NABBA, nabba-international.org is the faux NABBA. The only contest they claim to have had in 2008 is Asian Pacific Championships.
Tim what is the connection between NABBA and WFF?
if you didn't know that for all these years the IFBB was a privately held company owned by Ben Weider, and that the ABBF has been a privately held company owned by Chua, then you were just naïve.
IFBB DISRESPECT ASIAN ANTION, AND GREAT CORRUPT.
IFBB DO DRUGS TEST RANDOM, AND INSPITE OF THIS, THERE WAS 9 POSITIVE CASES AS I READ IN 2008 WORLD MEN’S CHAMPIONSHIP. & GOD KNOWS HOW MANY WILL BE POSITIVE IF THEY TEST TOP 6 IN EACH CATEGORY.
IFBB CORPORATION PROOF THAT THEY CHEAT AND HIDE DOPING CASES, AS THEY TRIED TO:
1. HIDE JOSE CARLOS FROM BRAZIL.
2. STILL HIDING ONE ( ALI ) FROM IRAN.
3. REDUCED THE SUSPENSION OF QATAR ATHELETE FROM LIFE BANNED TO ONE YEAR ONLY.
4. REMOVED THE SUSPENSION FROM QATAR FEDERATION, FOR THEIR SERIOUS DOPING VIOLATION.
5. MANIPULATE THE RESULTS?
6. TAKE BRIBERIES.
THEREFORE THIYEAR IN EURO CHAMPIONSHIP, THE WADA TEAM TESTED ALL THE ATHELTES, AND GOD KNOWS HOW MANY POSITIVE CASES WILL BE?
NO MORE TRUST FOR IFBB CORPORATION, SPECIALLY THE PRESIDENT RAFAEL AND HIS SENIOR OFFICERS.
IT WAS A GREAT DISRESPECT FRO CHINESE TAIPIE BODYBUILDING FEDERATION FROM THE IFBB PRESIDENT OF HIS EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TO ATTEND THE SPECIAL MEETING WHICH WAS ARRANGED BY CHINSES TAIPEI BB FEDERATION WITH THE WORLD GAMES ORGANISING COMMITTEE.
RAFEL IS SCARED TO GO TO ASIA, BECAUSE A LOT OF QUESTION WILL ASKED, AND HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY ANSWER FOR THEM.
y would they do that ... and don’t tell me they paid ... Iran never pays .. they don’t even pay for their sanction until the last second and even then they try to get out of it
STRANGE, HOW COME YOU KNOW ABOUT IRAN FEDERATION, ARE YOU A MEMEBER IN THE FEDERATION?
ARE YOU LIVE IN IRAN?
YES THEY PAID, BECUASE IF IFBB WILL ANNOUNCE THAT HE WAS POSITIVE, THEN HE WILL BE BANNED FOR LIFE, DUE TO 2nd OFFENCES ( IN INDIA 2003 OR 2004 ) YOU REMEMBER BETTER THAN ME, AND THIS TIME.
IF YOU ARE RIGHT LET THE IFBB SHOW HIS LABORATOEY RESULT, WHICH 1ST THEY ANNOUNCED THAT HIS IS DQ, THEN NEXT DAY THEY REMOVE FROM THE IFBB WEBSITE.
ALI IS GREAT CHAMPION, BUT WE ARE TALKING HERE ABOUT DOPING VIOLATION, AND NOT ABOUT PERSONAL.
no I don’t live in Iran nor am I in their federation .. and u know … so don’t push ur luck
it was 2003 and he was representing Qatar that time ... so he won’t be banned for life if he fails the test this time as he in considered as another athlete
I assume u have the evidence for them paying!!! They don’t even pay their athletes for shows … everyone does it on his expense if he qualified in their national for an international show
Of course he is a great champion … the only person to won the Overall twice … and of course once someone is that successful everyone will speculate
Quoteif you didn't know that for all these years the IFBB was a privately held company owned by Ben Weider, and that the ABBF has been a privately held company owned by Chua, then you were just naïve.FREIND, NOT ONLY ME WHOLE THE WORLD WAS NOT KNOWING THAT IFBB WAS AND STILL A PRIVATE COMPANY( CORPORATION ), AND WAS NOT REGISTERED, AND RECOGNIZED BY THE INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE ( IOC ).
I don’t know where u get your info from … but seems that you are not aware of a lot of things …
Allow me to elaborate … u r held accountable for your violation by your identification which is proved by your passport …
He was never announced positive … but let me tell u a bit about how complicated it is to test positive for test.
Testosterone to Epitestosterone was set at 6:1 by the IOC Medical Commission in 1982 as a final positive test … how ever it changed recently to 4:1.
According to WADA if the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone is greater than 4:1 (as it changed from 6:1 previously) it is considered evidence of possible doping and leads to further tests … key word … “Further Test” Meaning it is not finalized.
WADA's Code advices two different practices to determine if the increased T:E ratio is due to a physiological or pathological condition or to administration of exogenous hormones … However there are documented cases of non-doping athletes with T:E ratios greater than 6:1 … in that case additional testing is required to determine the etiology of the elevated ratio
if an athlete's urine test produces a ratio that is above 4:1 … at least three additional samples must be tested … These may be samples that were previously collected and analyzed or unannounced future tests … If the results is less than 30 percent for males and less than 60 percent for females … then it is likely that the T:E ratio is naturally increased … thus announcing his as a “Negative”
WADA doesn’t consider genetic factors … as in several cases the natural testosterone Is high … as documented and recorded the following races surpassed that 4:1
Hispanics 5.8:1
Caucasian 5.7:1
Africans 5.6:1
However Asians registered 3.8:1 in the tests after steroids were added to their urine samples … i.e. they have more room for tolerance
An epitestosterone urine concentration greater than 200 ng/mL indicates its misuse … so do the math for the test … 800ng/ml of testosterone to start further investigation
Hope this clarifies your and your friends’ minds
DX
FREIND, NOT ONLY ME WHOLE THE WORLD WAS NOT KNOWING THAT IFBB WAS AND STILL A PRIVATE COMPANY( CORPORATION ), AND WAS NOT REGISTERED, AND RECOGNIZED BY THE INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE ( IOC ). BUT ABBF AS I KNOW OFFICIALY REGISTERED, AND RECOGNOZED BY THE ASIAN OLYPIC COUNSEL ( OCA ), AND THE SPORT OF BODYBUILDING WAS INVOLVED IN ASIAN GAMES IN 2002, 2006, AND BEACH ASIAN GAMES IN 2007, AND WILL BE IN 2010 IN OMAN.
don't be false naïve, everybody know the bodybuilding is not an Olympic sport
don't be false naïve, everybody know the bodybuilding is not an Olympic sport
Guru you have a FAT balding head looks like you might have been using some of the Drugs you pedal to all your Clients that like to compete as Naturals You Fucking Hypocrite.
Seems to me Ben Weider tried very hard to get bodybuilding accepted as an Olympic sport. No wonder he failed! Look at the organization he created. Too much control and not enough representation. Ben was a student of Napoleon and knew how to manipulate and controlmenstooges and muscleheads and thus built an empire around bodybuilding. Today that edifice is crumbling like dust. What a legacy he has.
In the meantime, no matter what is said about the impropieties of the IFBB, it is business as usual with the muscleheads. God bless them. All that brawn and so little integrity. It is the same old story. A bunch of insecure individuals trying to transcend themselves via contests, titles and trophies. No wonder Ben could control them so easily. Most will do anything to win. That includes not supporting others who speak out. The more who get banned and disciplined the better for the remaining, sensible, competitors. The IFBB is sinking but no one seems to be concerned. The contests must go on. Drug testing must not happen.
When the governor of California can co-host a show with no drug testing of the professional athletes what does that say? Something is very foul in America. Hypocrisy and self-interest rule.
The only certainty that I can see is that they selected a bona fide stooge in the person of Bob Chick to represent them.
Must be a reeeeeeeeeeal slow leak....60 years and still afloat
ImBasile...
Seems to me Ben Weider tried very hard to get bodybuilding accepted as an Olympic sport. No wonder he failed! Look at the organization he created. Too much control and not enough representation. Ben was a student of Napoleon and knew how to manipulate and controlmenstooges and muscleheads and thus built an empire around bodybuilding. Today that edifice is crumbling like dust. What a legacy he has.
In the meantime, no matter what is said about the impropieties of the IFBB, it is business as usual with the muscleheads. God bless them. All that brawn and so little integrity. It is the same old story. A bunch of insecure individuals trying to transcend themselves via contests, titles and trophies. No wonder Ben could control them so easily. Most will do anything to win. That includes not supporting others who speak out. The more who get banned and disciplined the better for the remaining, sensible, competitors. The IFBB is sinking but no one seems to be concerned. The contests must go on. Drug testing must not happen.
When the governor of California can co-host a show with no drug testing of the professional athletes what does that say? Something is very foul in America. Hypocrisy and self-interest rule.
The only certainty that I can see is that they selected a bona fide stooge in the person of Bob Chick to represent them.
BEN WEIDER WAS A GREAT MAN, AND WAS AA BIG LEADER, BUT HE MAKE A MISTAKE, BECAUSE HE DID NOT REGISTERED THE IFBB AS FEDERATION, BUT IT WAS REGISTERED IN 1969 AS BODY BUILDERS INC. PRIVATE COMPANY ( CORPORATION ), AND TILL NOW AFTER THE OFFICE TRANSFERED TO SPAIN NOT REGISTERED AS FEDEARTION, FOR THIS REASON THE CORPORATION WAS NOT RECOGNIZED BY INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE ( IOC ) , AND THEREFORE WITH EXESTING IFBB IT NEVER ROCOGNOZE AS OLYMPIC SPORT, BUT IN NEAR FUTURE , THERE WILL BE A NEW BB FEDERATION WHICH WILL BE REGISTERED, AND WILL BE RCOGNIZE BY IOC, AND HOPE THIS BEAUTIFUL SPORT WILL BE INVOLVED IN OLYMPIC GAMES.
Why not ???You think you can look enough good without anabolics?
sadly there is no bodybuilding without drugs
Ben tried to get bodybuilding into the 1976 Olympics in his beloved Montreal. It was written about greatly in Muscle Builder. Ben thought it was a sure thing but the IOC turned him down because of the drugs. Every four years for the next 30 years, Ben would write how close they were to getting bodybuilding into the Olympics. It never happened and never will because the IOC knows that there is no such thing as life time drug free competition bodybuilding.
Ben missed a chance in 1976 to stage the Mr Olympia in Montreal. The world media was there and the contest would have gotten immense exposure. They could have staged the Olympia wherever the Olympic Games were being held but I guess that might have been too expensive for rent and accommodating athletes and officials. After Ben declared himself life president he lost his way because no one would recognize the IFBB as a sports federation. It was and still is a huge sham. The Weiders were always in it for the money. There was Ben travelling around the world recruiting loyal people to help him. Many of those appointed people are still running things as vice-presidents around the world. Paul Chua is one such IFBB official. Well, he has finally been suspended or whatever it is that the IFBB does.
When is the Pro League going to give Milos a pardon for what he said about Paul Chua's alleged corruption? When are we going to get rid of that silly Pro Card? When are we going to elect proper officials to the IFBB? When is that patsy and stooge, Bob Chick, going to step down as appointed pro athletes rep?
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID, IFBB WAS NOT REGISTERED TILL NOW AS FEDERATION, AND A LOT OF CORRUPTION ARE GOING ON. BY FOUNDATION OF NEW WORLD BODYBUILDING FEDERATION, WITH NEW EXECUTIVE MEMBERS ALL THE PROBLEMS WILL BE OVER, AND I WISH THIS WILL HAPPEN VERY SOON, IN ORDER NOT TO SUFFER ANY MORE.
The IFBB Don't like paying TAX.
The IFBB Don't like paying TAX.
TOTALY AGREE, NOT ONLY THIS , BUT THERE IS NO BANK ACCOUNT WITH IFBB NAMES?
The IFBB dont like to leave paper trails!
ABBF is hosting a world invitational championships in Thailand, any bodybuilder from any country can compete, there will be prizes too, WEIBK do you have any info on this?
HI FREIND,
I HEARD THAT THERE ARE MULTI BB CHAMPIONSHIP, IN THAILAND WITH CASH MONEY FOR THE TOP 3.
REGARDS.
Seems the ABBF is going to be masters of their own house now, they are separate from IFBB!
WEIBK do you know the entry criteria for bodybuilders for this world invitational?
Good to see Paul Chua back promoting BB contests I wonder if Milos will get special invite.People think these guys are just going to go away.Fuck NO they make way to many TAX FREE Dollars to just walk away.Seems like Mr Chua is here to stay.Hey Chick will people competitors be BANNED by the NPC or IFBB if they compete or guest pose???Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmm
HI SCHMOE BUSTER
I SAW IT IN ABBF WEBSITE: www.abbf.asia.
DO YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP? IF YES WISH YOU BEST OF LUCK.
THE PRELIMINARY ENTRY FORM:
2009 MULTI ASIAN BODYBUILDING AND
FITNESS CHAMPIONSHIPS
14-19 October 2009, Pattaya City Thailand
The Organizing Committees address: THAILAND BODYBUILDING ASSOCIATION, Room 244 Zone W,
Rajamankala National Stadium, Sports Authority of Thailand, Ramkamhaeng Road, Huamark, Bangkapi Bangkok
10240, THAILAND. TEL: (66) 8-1819-5003 FAX: (66) 2-369-2282 EMAIL: thaibody@hotmail.com
PRELIMINARY ENTRY FORM
In order to assist in the planning and organization of these Championships, please
complete the Preliminary Entry Form and return it to the Organizing Committee
AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BUT NOT LATER THAN 15TH JUNE 2009.
PLEASE PRINT CLEARLY
FEDERATION NAME:________________________ ________________________ __
FEDERATION CONTACT PERSON:________________________ _____________
FAX NUMBER:________________________ __E-MAIL:______________________
Our Federation is Planning to participate in the 2009 Multi Asian Bodybuilding and
Fitness Championships in Pattaya City, Thailand during October 14-19, 2009.
Please indicate “YES” or “NO”. Yes_____________No______ __________
NUMBER OF DELEGATES:____________ NUMBER OF ATHLETES:________
NUMBER OF EXTRA DELEGATE AND SUPPORTERS:____________________
All the details of the events and categories together with the participants
information are published in the INFORMATION, RULES AND REGULATIONS
accordingly.
PLEASE RETURN THE PRELIMINARY ENTRY FORM, INDICATING YOUR
INTENT TO PARTICIPATE OR NOT, NO LATER THAN 15TH JUNE 2009, TO:
Send the Preliminary Entry Form to: Please copy all correspondence to:
Thailand Bodybuilding Association Attn: Datuk Paul Chua Attn: Ms. Christina Kam
Room 244, Zone W, ABBF Secretary General ABBF Executive Director
Rajamankala National Stadium, 35 Tannery Road, Box 292, G/F., Lot B7,
Ramkamhaeng Road, Huamark, #04-01 Ruby Industrial Complex, Block B, KL Plaza,
Bangkapi, Bangkok 10240 Tannery Block, Singapore 347740 179, Jalan Bukit Bintang,
Thailand. Tel: (65) 6748-6970 55100 KL, Malaysia
Tel: (66)8-1-819-5003 Fax: (65) 6747-9846 Tel : 603 - 2148 7199
Fax: (66)2-369-2282 Email: abbfasia@yahoo.com.sg Fax : 603 – 2141 0888
Email: thaibody@hotmail.com Email: abbf.adm@hotmail.com
thanks WEIBK
seems the entry date has passed, 15th June!
No im not planning to compete at this contest, just interested to see how the entry criteria was, would be nice to see a lot of athletes from all over the world at the world invitational, i may attend the contest though, will you?
SCHMOE BUSTER, MILLION TAHMKS, AND WISH YOU BEST OF LUCK, AND VERY GOOD HEALTH.
WEIBK
Thank you and peace be upon you, i hope a man of your honesty and integrity will be involved in the new federation as it will surely succeed
Mr.Paul Chua at 2009 Hong Kong Bodybuilding & Fitness Championships ,June 14th 2009, Hong Kong Elizabeth Stadium.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=59025164 (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=59025164)
its called the Queen Elizabeth stadium ;)Hi,Schmoe Buster
Hi,Schmoe Buster
Are you Hong-Kongnese?
http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Asia/Story/A1Story20101030-244879.html (http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Asia/Story/A1Story20101030-244879.html)
Bodybuilding boss, Asiad gold medalist convicted of bribery
Sat, Oct 30, 2010
China Daily/Asia News Network
The image and reputation of the city's bodybuilding association suffered a body blow after its chairman and a former Asian Games gold medal-winning bodybuilder were found guilty of bribery Friday.
Chan Yun-to, 43, who had won the gold medal at the 2006 Doha Asian Games, was found guilty of conspiring to bribe Asian Bodybuilding and Fitness Federation secretary-general Paul Chua to relax a two-year suspension for doping so that he could compete at the Games.
Hong Kong China Bodybuilding and Fitness Association (HKCBBA) chairman Simon Chan Siu-man, 40, was also found guilty of plotting to bribe Chua, as well as on four other counts, including conspiracy to bribe, receiving advantage and fraud.
District Court Judge Susan D'Almada Remedios said Chan had "zero credibility and a complete lack of integrity."
She said Chan had turned a blind eye to drug-taking and even helped hush up the scandal so that they could compete and receive government subsidies.
The court had heard that Simon Chan told three bodybuilders, including Chan Yun-to, that he could negotiate a relaxation of their bans for positive drug tests in 2005 if they paid higher fines, which were in fact bribes.
Remedios said "Chan used the athletes as money-making machines and capitalised on their desire to compete." In her estimate, Chan had filled his pockets with at least HK$360,000 (S$60,000) of the athlete's money, including sizable portions taken from Elite Athletes Grants funded by taxpayers.
As to Simon Chan's position at the HKCBBA, the judge said he must have been familiar with the "rules of the sport and the objectives to keep it clear of drugs and cheats."
Simon Chan's defence said he was framed by his former colleagues, some of whom were implicated in the corruption conspiracy but immunized from prosecution for their cooperation with investigators.
Chua is being investigated by Singaporean corruption authorities and his case is expected to reach court following Chan's sentencing Tuesday.
Defence counsel for Chan Yun-to said he was a victim, adding that he had received no financial benefit but had gone along because of his desire to compete. Defence counsel for Simon Chan said his loss of stature was a form of punishment in itself.
Inquiries into the Olympic Counsel of Asia as to whether Chan Yun-to will be stripped of his medal were not returned while the HKCBBA declined to comment on the future of their chairman.
New IFBB's Hong kong BB organization: 香港健美健身總會(HKFBF)
http://www.hkfbf.com/ (http://www.hkfbf.com/)
New IFBB's Asia BB organization: http://www.afbf.asia/index.php (http://www.afbf.asia/index.php)
How did you like being a judge for HKFBF?
It's 2010 Hong Kong Body-building Invitation Championships,Aug 22th 2010.
HKFBF's first contest,I was guest-appreance and be a judge in there.
It's a great contest.
Very good organized federation.
Coming next year?Hopfully I can guest-posing in Hong Kong next year :)
Hopfully I can guest-posing next year :)
yeah me too ;)So your status is a
So your status is ahatercompetitor ;D :o
Chan Yun-to has been sentenced to 16 months in jail.http://www.theborneopost.com/?p=72505 (http://www.theborneopost.com/?p=72505)
Simon Chan got 3 years in jail.
Chan Yun-to has been sentenced to 16 months in jail.
Simon Chan got 3 years in jail.