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Title: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: 24KT on May 28, 2009, 07:01:18 PM
A British study suggests computer geeks make the best lovers.  :o

You don't want to know what they say about those working in the fitness industry.  :-X

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=011008&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=5253754&referralPlaylistId=e059f7416cd3e6a978256d927c7bb152d9988581
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Migs on May 28, 2009, 08:20:24 PM
i wonder....


anyone want to have sex?  For scientific reasons of course.  Ladies?   ;)

i'll dim the lights, put on some Marvin Gaye and slightly warm a glass of courvoisier
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Option D on May 29, 2009, 12:07:18 PM
i wonder....


anyone want to have sex?  For scientific reasons of course.  Ladies?   ;)

i'll dim the lights, put on some Marvin Gaye and slightly warm a glass of courvoisier

hahahahaah LEON .....THE LADIES MAN
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Migs on May 29, 2009, 12:25:22 PM
 ;D


i seriously need some luvin'
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Andy Griffin on May 29, 2009, 03:05:44 PM
i wonder....


anyone want to have sex?  For scientific reasons of course.  Ladies?   ;)

i'll dim the lights, put on some Marvin Gaye and slightly warm a glass of courvoisier

Al Green works too, but not Ray Stevens.  Something I've learned from painful experience.
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Option D on May 29, 2009, 03:30:09 PM
A British study suggests computer geeks make the best lovers.  :o

You don't want to know what they say about those working in the fitness industry.  :-X

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=011008&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=5253754&referralPlaylistId=e059f7416cd3e6a978256d927c7bb152d9988581
puerto ricans...me
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Migs on May 29, 2009, 04:52:36 PM
puerto ricans...me


Spaniards...me
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Option D on May 29, 2009, 10:48:17 PM

Spaniards...me
well im spaniard and black...i got the tools
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: 24KT on May 30, 2009, 12:23:57 AM
well im spaniard and black...i got the tools

...but you're in the fitness industry. Dintcha view the whole clip?  ???
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 30, 2009, 05:42:27 AM
A British study suggests computer geeks make the best lovers.  :o

You don't want to know what they say about those working in the fitness industry.  :-X

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=011008&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=5253754&referralPlaylistId=e059f7416cd3e6a978256d927c7bb152d9988581

<--- computer geek...heck i teach the stuff

but i dare say i'm not all that in the sack  :-\   over the yrs i've gotton lazy and content  :D
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: powerpack on May 30, 2009, 11:29:53 AM
Its all about magic and mood betwen 2 people and not about social profiling
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: andreisdaman on May 30, 2009, 01:08:15 PM
Geeks might make better lovers for females because the geeks are so happy to get some, that they worship the woman and probably try to please her more....
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Parker on May 30, 2009, 04:09:50 PM
A British study suggests computer geeks make the best lovers.  :o

You don't want to know what they say about those working in the fitness industry.  :-X

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=011008&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=5253754&referralPlaylistId=e059f7416cd3e6a978256d927c7bb152d9988581

On Rio Uncut, the garatos de programas (program girls) gave their opinions. Euros can't work it, Japanese are small but pay well,  White Americans are smoother with their sex, Black Americans are more aggressive and are insatiable, like they want to turn the woman inside out, if they could.

And these are real pros...all of them fine as well. 
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Migs on May 30, 2009, 04:10:29 PM
i'd be so happy to get some i'd...well i'd do something damnit!  lol
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 01, 2009, 02:43:08 PM
i'd be so happy to get some i'd...well i'd do something damnit!  lol

its when you dont want it is when  they wanna throw it at ya.....for me its an annoyance...heck..i just shaved my head...and i'm one uuuugly mofo when bald...i think women smell it when you dont want it and then they want you...its wierd...and annoying  :-\

take home lesson : wak off a lot....when ya dont want it..it'll come  :)
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Migs on June 01, 2009, 09:07:57 PM
its when you dont want it is when  they wanna throw it at ya.....for me its an annoyance...heck..i just shaved my head...and i'm one uuuugly mofo when bald...i think women smell it when you dont want it and then they want you...its wierd...and annoying  :-\

take home lesson : wak off a lot....when ya dont want it..it'll come  :)

somehow the throwing at me step never comes around.
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: andreisdaman on June 02, 2009, 04:51:05 AM
somehow the throwing at me step never comes around.



I think based on the evidence, black guys are the better lovers..you see black guys with a more variety of women than any other race of men...black girls.....white girls...spanish, asian..etc
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Migs on June 02, 2009, 10:34:03 AM
or there are a lot of girls that want to piss off their parents.  Joking.

Not sure if race has anything to do with being a better lover or not.  But I do see that black guys are more brash when picking up women and are less reserved.  They play the numbers more.  PLus as a general rule they can wear/say stuff that other guys can't and get away with it.
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: andreisdaman on June 02, 2009, 12:00:52 PM
or there are a lot of girls that want to piss off their parents.  Joking.
Not sure if race has anything to do with being a better lover or not.  But I do see that black guys are more brash when picking up women and are less reserved.  They play the numbers more.  PLus as a general rule they can wear/say stuff that other guys can't and get away with it.




I agree that this is sometimes the case.....maybe 15-20% of the time
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: 24KT on June 02, 2009, 04:32:08 PM
or there are a lot of girls that want to piss off their parents.  Joking.

Not sure if race has anything to do with being a better lover or not.  But I do see that black guys are more brash when picking up women and are less reserved.  They play the numbers more.  PLus as a general rule they can wear/say stuff that other guys can't and get away with it.

What does brashness have to do with your chances of success?

And what clothes or comments are you referring to?
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: andreisdaman on June 02, 2009, 04:55:34 PM
What does brashness have to do with your chances of success?

And what clothes or comments are you referring to?




brashness is a key to success with women..just having the guts to go up to women and use your game......the more women you talk to the more you increase your odds of success
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Andy Griffin on June 02, 2009, 05:01:27 PM



brashness is a key to success with women..just having the guts to go up to women and use your game......the more women you talk to the more you increase your odds of success

The more women I spoke to, the more I heard, "You got no game, bitch!"  I cried myself to sleep more than Susan Boyle.
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Migs on June 02, 2009, 08:22:41 PM
What does brashness have to do with your chances of success?

And what clothes or comments are you referring to?

ghetto ass clothes, wife beaters, stupid ass hats.  Basically thug wear too.  Some actually dress well.  Most dress like a cross between the movie Friday and someone getting out Levenworth.  Then they just say stupid crap.  "yo baby, i know you wnat this chocolate" etc etc.  Seems like the more brash and vulgar, the better the chance to score.  PLus it seems socially acceptable to allow ghetto behavior and unclassy acts.
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: 24KT on June 02, 2009, 09:09:27 PM



brashness is a key to success with women..just having the guts to go up to women and use your game......the more women you talk to the more you increase your odds of success

Seems to me you're confusing brashness with confidence.
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: 24KT on June 02, 2009, 09:19:26 PM
ghetto ass clothes, wife beaters, stupid ass hats.  Basically thug wear too.  Some actually dress well.  Most dress like a cross between the movie Friday and someone getting out Levenworth. 

Are you under the impression women are responding to "stupid ass hats", "wife beaters", & "ghetto ass clothes"?

And if so, is there some law that says that white men can't wear these same clothes?

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Then they just say stupid crap.  "yo baby, i know you wnat this chocolate" etc etc.  Seems like the more brash and vulgar, the better the chance to score.  PLus it seems socially acceptable to allow ghetto behavior and unclassy acts.

And white men don't say stupid crap? Take some of your own posts for example.
Saying stupid crap doesn't work any better for Black men than it does for white men.
The only time saying stupid crap works is when you're dealing with stupid women.

Newsflash: Unclassy ghetto behaviour doesn't work any better for Black men than it does for white men.
If you're competing for women with men who exhibit unclassy ghetto behaviour, ...and it's working for them,
...you might want to try fishing in a different pond. And count yourself fortunate you didn't get any nibbles.
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: BayGBM on June 02, 2009, 09:39:39 PM
Honest answer: Italians.  (and I don't mean Italian Americans--I mean continental Italians.)
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: 24KT on June 02, 2009, 10:54:52 PM
Honest answer: Italians.  (and I don't mean Italian Americans--I mean continental Italians.)

{blush}  :-[  With this, ...I will not disagree.   :-X
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Option D on June 03, 2009, 09:32:09 AM
Check this out.. if you want (by "you" i mean women) a night full of passionate, athletic, break yo back, large sex...im thinkin that black/puerto ricans (me) might be the best
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: BayGBM on June 03, 2009, 09:36:46 AM
{blush}  :-[  With this, ...I will not disagree.   :-X

btw, Italian Americans are good too.  ;D
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 03, 2009, 01:56:56 PM
somehow the throwing at me step never comes around.

try pulling a girls piggy tail and then laughing your ass off as she squeals like porky! ;D
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on June 03, 2009, 02:00:12 PM
Are you under the impression women are responding to "stupid ass hats", "wife beaters", & "ghetto ass clothes"?

And if so, is there some law that says that white men can't wear these same clothes?

And white men don't say stupid crap? Take some of your own posts for example.
Saying stupid crap doesn't work any better for Black men than it does for white men.
The only time saying stupid crap works is when you're dealing with stupid women.

Newsflash: Unclassy ghetto behaviour doesn't work any better for Black men than it does for white men.
If you're competing for women with men who exhibit unclassy ghetto behaviour, ...and it's working for them,
...you might want to try fishing in a different pond. And count yourself fortunate you didn't get any nibbles.

sure does happen in B-more that way Judi...hell to the point i remember i ws dropping jake off at his place in B-more when he exclaimed..."damn blackl people"... :-\
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Migs on June 03, 2009, 02:28:23 PM
try pulling a girls piggy tail and then laughing your ass off as she squeals like porky! ;D


i'll try that.  Good thing about speaking spanish is that i can roll my R's.


hi ladies!  ;)
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: 24KT on June 04, 2009, 12:11:31 AM
sure does happen in B-more that way Judi...hell to the point i remember i ws dropping jake off at his place in B-more when he exclaimed..."damn blackl people"... :-\

That's Baltimore, ...and what calibre of people are we talking?
Take a look at the dating scene in buttfvck AK, or Incestville KY, and tell you won't find classless boobs.
It's all in your milieu predominated more by class than by color.
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Parker on June 04, 2009, 03:43:02 PM
{blush}  :-[  With this, ...I will not disagree.   :-X

You two might have been the the same men  :-X :o ;D.

And Bay's endorsement kinda wouldn't be too good for straight women...if catch what I'm sayin'
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: 24KT on June 04, 2009, 04:08:55 PM
You two might have been the the same men  :-X :o ;D.

I doubt it. I've seen Bay's taste. He doesn't like the kind of pretty boys I'm partial to :P
and the one's he likes would make me run as fast as possible in the other direction.  :o

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And Bay's endorsement kinda wouldn't be too good for straight women...if catch what I'm sayin'

It's a European thing. They aren't as hung up or as judgemental about things,
...or so I've been told since we all know I'm still a virgin.  :)
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Parker on June 04, 2009, 04:35:43 PM
I doubt it. I've seen Bay's taste. He doesn't like the kind of pretty boys I'm partial to :P
and the one's he likes would make me run as fast as possible in the other direction.  :o

It's a European thing. They aren't as hung up or as judgemental about things,
...or so I've been told since we all know I'm still a virgin.  :)

That's not what Brazilian Garotas de Programas say...teh Euro's are hung up on alotta things...

Oh, and Monica Belucci's husband I believe is not Italian, and she is quite the Italian belle...
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Migs on June 04, 2009, 08:02:38 PM

...or so I've been told since we all know I'm still a virgin.  :)

some one somewhere in hell just cold a nice cold glass of ice water
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: 24KT on June 05, 2009, 08:47:07 AM
That's not what Brazilian Garotas de Programas say...teh Euro's are hung up on alotta things...

Oh, and Monica Belucci's husband I believe is not Italian, and she is quite the Italian belle...

And what does the nationality of Monica bellucci's husband have to do with anything?
Jackie O was once married to a Greek. Lucille ball married a Cuban. Did that make Cubans the funniest men?
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Migs on June 05, 2009, 09:17:10 AM
i think anyone can be a great lover if they are interested in the person and take their time to put their partners pleasure in front of their own.  It's a combination of confidence in bed, learning your partner and what triggers him/her, and trying new things.  It's not always about kiss A, stroke B, diddle daddle C, rinse and repeat.
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: 24KT on June 05, 2009, 10:12:10 AM
i think anyone can be a great lover if they are interested in the person and take their time to put their partners pleasure in front of their own.  It's a combination of confidence in bed, learning your partner and what triggers him/her, and trying new things.  It's not always about kiss A, stroke B, diddle daddle C, rinse and repeat.

Absolutely! you got to go a little further into the alphabet. You can't stop possibly before you get to 'G'  :o
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Migs on June 05, 2009, 10:26:41 AM
Absolutely! you got to go a little further into the alphabet. You can't stop possibly before you get to 'G'  :o

well being spanish we have extra letters in the alphabet, a tilda and roll our "R's" throw in a few accent marks and it's all good.
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Gregzs on August 28, 2013, 06:26:23 PM
That's not what Brazilian Garotas de Programas say...teh Euro's are hung up on alotta things...

Oh, and Monica Belucci's husband I believe is not Italian, and she is quite the Italian belle...

Sad to hear.

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/entertainment-eonline/20130826/b452547/

Monica Bellucci and Vincent Cassel Separate After 14 Years of Marriage

Sad international split news.

Monica Bellucci and Vincent Cassel have separated "by mutual agreement" after 14 years of marriage, a rep for Cassel confirmed to Agence France-Presse .

The actors met on the set of the 1996 French-language film  L'appartement and tied the knot in 1999. They have two daughters together, 8-year-old Deva and 3-year-old Léonie.

The Italian-born Bellucci, who starred in The Passion of the Christ and the two Matrix sequels, told Grazia magazine back in April, referring to marriage, "We never know how long it will last."

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"Today, it works, but in a year...I don't know," she said.

Around the same time, Cassel reportedly told Britain's  Closer magazine, "My wife and me are very different animals. This is probably the key to our relationship after 18 years together...We don't seek other people's approval."

According to the Daily Mail , Bellucci is currently shooting a film in Serbia.

The 48-year-old beauty was on the cover of the February 2013 issue of Vanity Fair Spain , telling the magazine that she and Cassel owned homes in London, Rome and his native Paris, and were thinking of buying another in Brazil—and that they were together but maintained separate lives.

"I never get involved in the choice of his papers nor in mine," Bellucci said. "We are very independent, we live in different worlds: His friends are your friends, mine are different."

Up next for Cassel, who played Natalie Portman 's manipulative director in Black Swan and was most recently seen in Danny Boyle 's Trance, is a French-language feature update of Beauty and the Beast.
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Raymondo on September 01, 2013, 10:34:21 AM
A British study suggests computer geeks make the best lovers.  :o

You don't want to know what they say about those working in the fitness industry.  :-X

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=011008&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=5253754&referralPlaylistId=e059f7416cd3e6a978256d927c7bb152d9988581

 ;D
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Migs on September 02, 2013, 10:14:03 PM
so you're saying she's single...

 :P
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Playboy on January 26, 2014, 07:03:00 PM
A British study suggests computer geeks make the best lovers.  :o

You don't want to know what they say about those working in the fitness industry.  :-X

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=011008&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=5253754&referralPlaylistId=e059f7416cd3e6a978256d927c7bb152d9988581
Virgo's. We understand the language of l'amore.
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: SamoanIrishman on January 30, 2014, 11:03:50 AM
i think anyone can be a great lover if they are interested in the person and take their time to put their partners pleasure in front of their own.  It's a combination of confidence in bed, learning your partner and what triggers him/her, and trying new things.  It's not always about kiss A, stroke B, diddle daddle C, rinse and repeat.

Well said. I'm in the geek business now, wifey and I have a small tribe of rug rats going and not shy to say we still go at it like horny teenagers  ;D    ...very rare but we just have chemistry like that. One time when I got home from a 3 day business trip, we drove 55 minutes to drop off kids to my parents and got a local hotel room cause we didn't want to wait :)
Title: Re: Who make the best lovers?
Post by: Tedim on January 30, 2014, 11:08:00 AM
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