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I'm now 31 and been bodybuilding naturally for roughly 16 years straight.
I haven't yet felt it, but when do you start feeling your strength diminish due to age and lowering of test levels?
Just curious to hear from those with first hand experience.
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I'm now 31 and been bodybuilding naturally for roughly 16 years straight.
I haven't yet felt it, but when do you start feeling your strength diminish due to age and lowering of test levels?
Just curious to hear from those with first hand experience.
i'm 46..did juice a couple of times in the 80's..but haven't since then. Feel like my strength is still holding up..finding it hard to get lean though..even with a strict diet and two 45 minute cardio sessions a day.. Years ago, I would have been shredded with my current regime. Not fat..weigh about 200 at 5'9" and can see a bit of abs..but not real defined. I probably will get my testosterone levels tested in the next month or so to see where I'm at. If they're really low, I might consider Hormone replacement.
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I'm 33 and I still occasionally do personal bests in the gym.
With three kids I Find it hard to go to gym more than 3x week. Usually I go like 2x week.
I'll rotate few basic exercises, with no particular order tough.
So I think that with enough recovery 35 is no prob. 45 might be.
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i'm 46..did juice a couple of times in the 80's..but haven't since then. Feel like my strength is still holding up..finding it hard to get lean though..even with a strict diet and two 45 minute cardio sessions a day.. Years ago, I would have been shredded with my current regime. Not fat..weigh about 200 at 5'9" and can see a bit of abs..but not real defined. I probably will get my testosterone levels tested in the next month or so to see where I'm at. If they're really low, I might consider Hormone replacement.
Same here. Its a mind fuck when you get under some of the weight that was part of your warm-ups 10 - 15 years previous and its now your work set. I would say I am 10 - 20% weaker now than I was back then. Being 40....the thought has entered my mind to get the test levels checked. If I go that route, then I will have consider if it truly is fair for me to compete in the WNBF anymore. Tough decision.
I am sure I am not alone in that the 'warm up' before getting into the meat and potato portion of the workout seems to take longer now than when you are younger. I still train with 100% intensity....but do wish I would have backed off every now and then as the years went along.
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great posts by some older iron warriors..
thanks guys!
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I'm 36 with two kids.. been training on/off since late eighties..Although my training has changed over the years in from less low volume heavy weight to more moderate weight higher volume I don't feel any weaker nor the need for HRT (I still feel like I am in my early 20's).
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I'm now 31 and been bodybuilding naturally for roughly 16 years straight.
I haven't yet felt it, but when do you start feeling your strength diminish due to age and lowering of test levels?
Just curious to hear from those with first hand experience.
I am 43, have 3 kids with a 4th on the way. Have been on a beer binge for the last year after moving twice in four months, taking two new jobs and all this other crap in the way of training ....and guess what? I am as strong as I was when I was 28
Sample- I do my 3 sets of bench with 315 for 5- 8
first understand that I was a pencil neck hard gainer until college but now have a weight problem and am working on it wiht the anabolic diet which is wonderful (about to carb up now) second understand that i have never touched drugs of any kind or even seen them. yeah, i must lifve in a cave. .
one thing I had to do to GET REAL was change my lifting. I used to do a 3 on , 1 off or a 4 on , 1 off routine but I went to an every other day split and it did two things for me a) allowed me to rest and grow BETTER because i was out of the gym every other day and it b) allowed me to do things around the house or be with my family etc. finally, id say that as you get older sooner or later you realize that you had better fix the diet. you also realize hat you dont need to train for 2 hours. i spend about 40 minutes in tehe gym every other day
most of teh strongeset men on the planet are veteran lifters in their 40s Ill bet. just a bet, not a fact.
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Let me add, what sucks most about training now vs training them, ARTHRITIS. an exray of my knees, MRI or whatever, shows my knees have craters, spikes, peaks and valleys...bone spurs....makes knees sore as hell after heavy leg day.
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I am 43 yrs. old have about 20 yrs. of training under my belt off and on and I still bomb away like I did when I was in my 20's but I am starting to experience some joint pain now all the time, nothing real bad, just noticeable every now and then, I crack everywhere -knees, shoulders etc..
I probably wouldn't change a thing though if I could do it all over again - lifting has been a great experience- been great to challenge myself and see what I could achieve despite what others said
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I am 33 and only just STARTING out. ;D
So at least you lot have been there and done it, I am only just embarking in it.
I aim for about 5 years to go from 154lbs I am now (11st dead on) to around the 180lbs to 200lbs range. Thats around 14st.
So my aim is to gain 3st in 5 years. That averages out to about 0.7lb of muscle gained per month. PIECE OF PISS! I bet it can be done in even less time like 3 years with a few naughty cycles along the way.
The really odd thing with me is I already have OK legs, not muscular but not skinny, its my upper body that needs the gains.
I thought I was too old but its not true, my mates dad is 75 and he looks about 50. You wouldn't want to f**k with him I know that much. He still lifts weights to this day and he is 75 FFS.
So I reckon up to like 50 years old you can keep it up, longer even.
Although when you look at Arnie now it is a bit worrying and harder to keep fat off as you get older.
I read somewhere, testosterone levels in men peak at 40. Therefore it follows surely that the people that can expect the best gains are not the 18 year olds, not the 25 year olds but the 40 year olds?
Its a right bastard how you can't just go back in time lol.
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Let me add, what sucks most about training now vs training them, ARTHRITIS. an exray of my knees, MRI or whatever, shows my knees have craters, spikes, peaks and valleys...bone spurs....makes knees sore as hell after heavy leg day.
wear and tear due to lifting?
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At 42 strength wise I am still up there.
As test levels go I am still strong, aggressive and horny.
But I am also struggling to stay lean, 10 years ago what I am eating now would have been considered starvation rations, but I still don't look as lean
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Same here. Its a mind fuck when you get under some of the weight that was part of your warm-ups 10 - 15 years previous and its now your work set. I would say I am 10 - 20% weaker now than I was back then. Being 40....the thought has entered my mind to get the test levels checked. If I go that route, then I will have consider if it truly is fair for me to compete in the WNBF anymore. Tough decision.
I am sure I am not alone in that the 'warm up' before getting into the meat and potato portion of the workout seems to take longer now than when you are younger. I still train with 100% intensity....but do wish I would have backed off every now and then as the years went along.
You're whole physique is a mind fuck douchebag!
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I'm 56 and have been training over 38 years .
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.0)
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33 now been lifting since 15 lifetime natural....and just did a personal best in bench press yesterday....that being said by the time your late 30's early 40's test (HRT) might not only be something to consider it might be healthy and benificial in alot of ways....
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I think a lot of it is mental, where the mind goes- the body will follow . I am 43 and still maintaining my strength / power ( not endurance) just power. I did a 390 # paused bench press today with gas left in the tank at 205# body weight.I don't have single digit body fat any more ( still relatively lean though) but I still look good with 19" muscular arms ( I have terrible legs ) My point is that age is just a "number" -within reason. If a person is physically active all their life then I believe they can be "productive" well into their 50's and make gains. You have to train right, eat right, rest and repeat. A lot of good info. on this site, lots of knowledgeable guys ! just my $.02
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I think a lot of it is mental, where the mind goes- the body will follow . I am 43 and still maintaining my strength / power ( not endurance) just power. I did a 390 # paused bench press today with gas left in the tank at 205# body weight.I don't have single digit body fat any more ( still relatively lean though) but I still look good with 19" muscular arms ( I have terrible legs ) My point is that age is just a "number" -within reason. If a person is physically active all their life then I believe they can be "productive" well into their 50's and make gains. You have to train right, eat right, rest and repeat. A lot of good info. on this site, lots of knowledgeable guys ! just my $.02
What's the point of having 19" inch arms and little tiny stick legs/calves? I never understood guys like that. They look silly......especially in a pair of shorts. Must be the new trend nowadays.
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Yeah, I gotta agree with you. If I could do it over again I would have bombed my lower body as hard as my arms etc.... I have no excuses really. I had an upper class man come up to me in school years ago and grab my arms in front of some people and say " you got tooth picks" for arms ... I went home and told my dad I wanted a weight set so I could "show" him one day .... I guess I never forgot that incident. I have always stayed in decent shape but always had an "upper body" mentality, big mistake for sure. I have been hitting the legs hard the last few years, but starting leg training at 40 is not the same as starting it at 25. My strength is decent but the size aint there for sure. You are right though, a lot of upper body guys walking around lately it seems.
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I think a lot of it is mental, where the mind goes- the body will follow . I am 43 and still maintaining my strength / power ( not endurance) just power. I did a 390 # paused bench press today with gas left in the tank at 205# body weight.I don't have single digit body fat any more ( still relatively lean though) but I still look good with 19" muscular arms ( I have terrible legs ) My point is that age is just a "number" -within reason. If a person is physically active all their life then I believe they can be "productive" well into their 50's and make gains. You have to train right, eat right, rest and repeat. A lot of good info. on this site, lots of knowledgeable guys ! just my $.02
I hear what your sayin man....however there are numerous negative ailments that occur once a mans test continues to lower as we age(it's not all in your head its a biological fact)...many women seek hormone therapy for estrogen and menopausal issues as they age...theres no shame and it can be down right healthy and extremely beneficial to replace test levels as we age....not talkin about what pro's or even bodybuilders in general do...talkin bout havin the test of an 18-21 year old when your 35-45 years old...could add years along with significantly add quality to your life.....Like I said I'm a lifetime natural and proud of it... but if my doc does blood work and says my T levels are low and I could benefit from HRT I'm gonna take advantage of what modern medicine has to offer....
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Agree with everything you said bro
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in general hormones dont start to fall until 50s..so for example 37 years old is nothing (as an example)...the thing you need to be causious about is accumulation of injuries tho. you will be able to gain into your 40s..no problem...unless genetic limit stops your progress..obviously gains will come slower because your not a newbie..but it is not being 39 years old or whatever that per se that is making it difficult.
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in general hormones dont start to fall until 50s..so for example 37 years old is nothing (as an example)...the thing you need to be causious about is accumulation of injuries tho. you will be able to gain into your 40s..no problem...unless genetic limit stops your progress..obviously gains will come slower because your not a newbie..but it is not being 39 years old or whatever that per se that is making it difficult.
were did you here test levels don't fall until the 50's?If you have a link to an article or something stating this from a reputable source I would like to read it.....I have been told by numerous people including my doctor and an endocrinologist that the process (although may very slightly person to person)starts decades before what you are claiming....
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were did you here test levels don't fall until the 50's?If you have a link to an article or something stating this from a reputable source I would like to read it.....I have been told by numerous people including my doctor and an endocrinologist that the process (although may very slightly person to person)starts decades before what you are claiming....
no no..im talking about BIG differences..yes they start to decline but normally not as much as people claim..
i mean sometimes we have people who are 33 years old and think they cant gain muscle mass..even 33 year olds who just recently started to lift.
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i woke up old one day when i was about 48.
54 now, expect to set personal best in the deadlift,
overhead press and leg sled. made the sled record already.
I find my self continiously stronger as long as my training is consitent, heavy
for 5-7 reps and 1-3 movements for big body parts, 1-2 for everything else
1 day on 2 off 1 on seems to be about ideal for me
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I'm 42 and still do the same workouts I did in my 20's. I cycle my workouts between heavy and light days, depending on how I feel. Strength and energy seem to be fine.
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I am 33 and only just STARTING out. ;D
So at least you lot have been there and done it, I am only just embarking in it.
I aim for about 5 years to go from 154lbs I am now (11st dead on) to around the 180lbs to 200lbs range. Thats around 14st.
So my aim is to gain 3st in 5 years. That averages out to about 0.7lb of muscle gained per month. PIECE OF PISS! I bet it can be done in even less time like 3 years with a few naughty cycles along the way.
The really odd thing with me is I already have OK legs, not muscular but not skinny, its my upper body that needs the gains.
I thought I was too old but its not true, my mates dad is 75 and he looks about 50. You wouldn't want to f**k with him I know that much. He still lifts weights to this day and he is 75 FFS.
So I reckon up to like 50 years old you can keep it up, longer even.
Although when you look at Arnie now it is a bit worrying and harder to keep fat off as you get older.
I read somewhere, testosterone levels in men peak at 40. Therefore it follows surely that the people that can expect the best gains are not the 18 year olds, not the 25 year olds but the 40 year olds?
Its a right bastard how you can't just go back in time lol.
Test levelevels don't peak at 40, that is wrong.
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The only difference I find is strict form, as my joints can start getting aches shoulders and knees. the up side is my metabolisms is slower so I can put size a lot easier. In my 30's I topped out at 190 I could get to 200 no problem now. I'm 40 but most ppl think I'm in my mid to late 20's. that is a major bonus to keeping fit.
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You're whole physique is a mind fuck douchebag!
Too bad I missed this....I would put my physique up against yours any day fatty. You have those gay ass excuses why you would never post a pic. ::) Talk a lot a shit never back it up.
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30 years old and I'm still throwing around the same weights I was at 23 (my peak). I'm scared shitless of losing strength and ability and will rage and rage against old age until the end of my days. Been training for 15 years. The only difference I can see is that I'm training smarter now. In my late teens I'd train legs and go straight from the gym to my gf's house and hang there. I wouldn't eat or take supplements for hours after a workout. I got bigger but it was slow going. I smartened up in my middle 20's, quit taking advice from steroid warriors training 7 days a week and got a program sorted. I hit my body in 3 sessions a week and make sure my diet was spot on. I got bigger. Right now I'm at my strongest every, biggest ever and healthiest ever.
Right now I'm truly in the best shape I've ever been. Ok, so maybe a line or two next to my eyes crept in, perhaps my joints are a tad less forgiving than 10 years ago, maybe I can't hang with the young crowd in the gym any more without getting weird looks, hell, perhaps I even have the beginnings of grey hair. However, whatever age I am, this stuff will always be in my blood.
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At 35 I have more strength now then when I was younger. I figure it is because I have more knowledge of how to eat better, train more effective, etc. The only difference I have noticed is I recover slower and you gain fat easier. For example...
In the teens I worked out 6 days a week and could bounce back just fine. Plus eat anything and never got fat ... cardio what is that?
Age 20 - 25 lifted 5 days a week and had to eat better. Cardio was an after thought but 20 mins or so every other day worked well.
25 - 30 lifted 4 days a week and metabolism slows down more. Cardio needed every day for at least 40 mins.
30 - present. Currently lift on a 3 day split and cardio for one hour every day plus 30 min walks.
I just figure as I get older I increase activity and give more time to recover from heavy weight work outs. So far it seems to work. I still make gains.
8)
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I'm 32 and only recently started hitting the gym, so I can't really speak on the difference over time.
My personal experience, however, is that I *feel* better than I have in a long time and I wish I'd started doing this a long time ago. As for strength, I have actually pleasantly surprised myself and find that despite years of poor (see: horrible) eating, no exercise and a sedentary lifestyle, I may be a tub of lard, but my body isn't a wreck yet -- as long as I warm up first anyways.
After I get in a little better shape, I plan on going to the doctor again for a complete physical and will ask to have test levels checks though, and act accordingly.
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I'm 32 and only recently started hitting the gym, so I can't really speak on the difference over time.
My personal experience, however, is that I *feel* better than I have in a long time and I wish I'd started doing this a long time ago. As for strength, I have actually pleasantly surprised myself and find that despite years of poor (see: horrible) eating, no exercise and a sedentary lifestyle, I may be a tub of lard, but my body isn't a wreck yet -- as long as I warm up first anyways.
After I get in a little better shape, I plan on going to the doctor again for a complete physical and will ask to have test levels checks though, and act accordingly.
Just keep up the good work and be consistent. Lots of folks start up and do not see immediate results, then stop working out. Don't do that and keep training. 8)
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only when you read postings like thi sin this tread you actualy start to understand how sick the cult of bodybuild is truly is ,, 200lb 5'9 lol seeing all abs lol you have here fellas go 20 years so call natural ,, yet on hormone boardings and serious talk bodybuilding,, say they scared to shrink and lose strength lol
i sometime think bodybuild is truly a mental deasease,,
EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE FELLAS WHO WRITE IN TREADINGS LIKE THESE HAS BEEN TO HORMONES IS NOT NATURAL AND NEVER WILL BE NATURAL ,, SOMETIME WHEN IM LOOKING IN OTHER PLACES ON THE THUNDERDOME ASIDE FROM GOSSIP AND I SOMETIME DO BECUASE I LIKE LOOKING INTO FELLAS BRAINS AND HOW THEY THINK..SOMETIMES WHEN I DO IT I CAN NOT BELIEVE THE LIES FELLAS LIVE,,
yes this posting will be erase,, and yes you will continue claimingni natural and all this balonie ,, but reality of the matter is lik esomeone else say here....none of you would surpass age 28-30 with out hormone into his blood ,, you woudnt even do bodybuild,, rememeber you dont go to gym 2-3 times a week as a recreational activity done next to your bowling actvitiy ,, most of you are americanos that live a very very sad lie,, you really need to wake up in the morning...look into the mirror and spit at yoru image FOR! what you write here ,, what i actualy read here ....doesnt go along with 4000 postings on bodybuild boarding ,, doesnt go with sitting and being on bodybuild baording all day long,, i could pull lists from steroids boarding and put it here to embaress all of you but why do it? you live the worst life possible and that life is called
LIFE OF A LIAR AND TWISTER OF THE TRUTH!
wize up ,, it doesnt have to be through finding jesus ,,that lead no where,, wize up and be honest with yourself ,, dont pretend ,, dont pretend to just go on hrt to not lose strength ,, you never see the numbers 200lb 5'9 anything! with single digit and you wont see no abdominals at this weight not even few...you will see semi hardness in delts and pecs,, and no! no! you will not just lose the ability to get shreded ,,,getting shreded as treue natural at 5'9 will put you down to the 165lb IF YOU ARE SUPER SUPER LUCKY AND VERY VERY GOOD GENETIC STRUCTURE! ,, you dont just get shreded from 200lb to 190lb natural ,, it doesnt work this way friends,, not 190 not 180 and sadly with many not even 170,,
why the lies? i think the reason behind it is mental sickness and the inability to tell yourself ,, IM AN AVERAGE RESPONDER TO HORMONES AND I JUST DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT CONNECTIONS FOR THE CONTACTS NEEDED FOR LEGIT HORMONES AND CONSISTANCY IN THOSE LEGIT HORMONES!
yes this posting will be erased and i have no problem with it ! but the ones who read it knows gh15 is right to the t not 90% right but right 100% ,,
there is no natural bodybuild,,
the natural liar ...usualy log into a bodybuild steroid boarding....about 2.5 to 3 months out of a compeittion seeking products,, IT IS ALWAYS THE SAME,,
the following happen ,, they will send a text to a friend ...most likly my pupils saying ,, you are right bodybuild is all drugs,, then within days log into steroid boarding and ordoer what needed,, AND THEN lie LIE LIE LIE and say they done it natural ,, why? BECAUSE THEY GREW INTO A SHOW using a product that put them at 169lb 5'10 6% .....that is not a hormonized number in the mental state of those fellas and thus the lie
i really really came to despize bodybuild for this ,, and i blame many of you the so call naturals for this,, this is mental sickness,,
gh15 approved
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I do not disagree that there are probably many liars that are “natural” and also those that are on AAS. I have seen both also bash the other, which is very stupid.
As, for me I will tell you anything you want to know, just ask.
I am 6ft and 1inch tall and big frame. My ethnicity is half Scottish and that highlander gene is not small.
I weight 200lbs and have a 34-inch waist. Even then that does NOT make abs pop out, etc.
I eat about 2700 calories a day.
Around 180 grams of protein seems about right, less than that and I get very sore.
I would have to diet down much more and have tried it. The lowest my calories dropped was 1870. I felt like crap and strength went down the toilet doing it.
For now I’d rather weight more, be stronger, and feel good. So I stick with eating 2700 calories and no abs.
I have read a bunch on hormones and considered trying it, especially if I get to live in a country where it is legal. I have not used any hormones as of yet.
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only when you read postings like thi sin this tread you actualy start to understand how sick the cult of bodybuild is truly is ,, 200lb 5'9 lol seeing all abs lol you have here fellas go 20 years so call natural ,, yet on hormone boardings and serious talk bodybuilding,, say they scared to shrink and lose strength lol
i sometime think bodybuild is truly a mental deasease,,
EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE FELLAS WHO WRITE IN TREADINGS LIKE THESE HAS BEEN TO HORMONES IS NOT NATURAL AND NEVER WILL BE NATURAL ,, SOMETIME WHEN IM LOOKING IN OTHER PLACES ON THE THUNDERDOME ASIDE FROM GOSSIP AND I SOMETIME DO BECUASE I LIKE LOOKING INTO FELLAS BRAINS AND HOW THEY THINK..SOMETIMES WHEN I DO IT I CAN NOT BELIEVE THE LIES FELLAS LIVE,,
yes this posting will be erase,, and yes you will continue claimingni natural and all this balonie ,, but reality of the matter is lik esomeone else say here....none of you would surpass age 28-30 with out hormone into his blood ,, you woudnt even do bodybuild,, rememeber you dont go to gym 2-3 times a week as a recreational activity done next to your bowling actvitiy ,, most of you are americanos that live a very very sad lie,, you really need to wake up in the morning...look into the mirror and spit at yoru image FOR! what you write here ,, what i actualy read here ....doesnt go along with 4000 postings on bodybuild boarding ,, doesnt go with sitting and being on bodybuild baording all day long,, i could pull lists from steroids boarding and put it here to embaress all of you but why do it? you live the worst life possible and that life is called
LIFE OF A LIAR AND TWISTER OF THE TRUTH!
wize up ,, it doesnt have to be through finding jesus ,,that lead no where,, wize up and be honest with yourself ,, dont pretend ,, dont pretend to just go on hrt to not lose strength ,, you never see the numbers 200lb 5'9 anything! with single digit and you wont see no abdominals at this weight not even few...you will see semi hardness in delts and pecs,, and no! no! you will not just lose the ability to get shreded ,,,getting shreded as treue natural at 5'9 will put you down to the 165lb IF YOU ARE SUPER SUPER LUCKY AND VERY VERY GOOD GENETIC STRUCTURE! ,, you dont just get shreded from 200lb to 190lb natural ,, it doesnt work this way friends,, not 190 not 180 and sadly with many not even 170,,
why the lies? i think the reason behind it is mental sickness and the inability to tell yourself ,, IM AN AVERAGE RESPONDER TO HORMONES AND I JUST DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT CONNECTIONS FOR THE CONTACTS NEEDED FOR LEGIT HORMONES AND CONSISTANCY IN THOSE LEGIT HORMONES!
yes this posting will be erased and i have no problem with it ! but the ones who read it knows gh15 is right to the t not 90% right but right 100% ,,
there is no natural bodybuild,,
the natural liar ...usualy log into a bodybuild steroid boarding....about 2.5 to 3 months out of a compeittion seeking products,, IT IS ALWAYS THE SAME,,
the following happen ,, they will send a text to a friend ...most likly my pupils saying ,, you are right bodybuild is all drugs,, then within days log into steroid boarding and ordoer what needed,, AND THEN lie LIE LIE LIE and say they done it natural ,, why? BECAUSE THEY GREW INTO A SHOW using a product that put them at 169lb 5'10 6% .....that is not a hormonized number in the mental state of those fellas and thus the lie
i really really came to despize bodybuild for this ,, and i blame many of you the so call naturals for this,, this is mental sickness,,
gh15 approved
Don't fill my thread with your bullshit asshole. If you don't like that this thread is about nattys, get the fuck off and don't post.
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only when you read postings like thi sin this tread you actualy start to understand how sick the cult of bodybuild is truly is ,, 200lb 5'9 lol seeing all abs lol you have here fellas go 20 years so call natural ,, yet on hormone boardings and serious talk bodybuilding,, say they scared to shrink and lose strength lol
i sometime think bodybuild is truly a mental deasease,,
EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE FELLAS WHO WRITE IN TREADINGS LIKE THESE HAS BEEN TO HORMONES IS NOT NATURAL AND NEVER WILL BE NATURAL ,, SOMETIME WHEN IM LOOKING IN OTHER PLACES ON THE THUNDERDOME ASIDE FROM GOSSIP AND I SOMETIME DO BECUASE I LIKE LOOKING INTO FELLAS BRAINS AND HOW THEY THINK..SOMETIMES WHEN I DO IT I CAN NOT BELIEVE THE LIES FELLAS LIVE,,
yes this posting will be erase,, and yes you will continue claimingni natural and all this balonie ,, but reality of the matter is lik esomeone else say here....none of you would surpass age 28-30 with out hormone into his blood ,, you woudnt even do bodybuild,, rememeber you dont go to gym 2-3 times a week as a recreational activity done next to your bowling actvitiy ,, most of you are americanos that live a very very sad lie,, you really need to wake up in the morning...look into the mirror and spit at yoru image FOR! what you write here ,, what i actualy read here ....doesnt go along with 4000 postings on bodybuild boarding ,, doesnt go with sitting and being on bodybuild baording all day long,, i could pull lists from steroids boarding and put it here to embaress all of you but why do it? you live the worst life possible and that life is called
LIFE OF A LIAR AND TWISTER OF THE TRUTH!
wize up ,, it doesnt have to be through finding jesus ,,that lead no where,, wize up and be honest with yourself ,, dont pretend ,, dont pretend to just go on hrt to not lose strength ,, you never see the numbers 200lb 5'9 anything! with single digit and you wont see no abdominals at this weight not even few...you will see semi hardness in delts and pecs,, and no! no! you will not just lose the ability to get shreded ,,,getting shreded as treue natural at 5'9 will put you down to the 165lb IF YOU ARE SUPER SUPER LUCKY AND VERY VERY GOOD GENETIC STRUCTURE! ,, you dont just get shreded from 200lb to 190lb natural ,, it doesnt work this way friends,, not 190 not 180 and sadly with many not even 170,,
why the lies? i think the reason behind it is mental sickness and the inability to tell yourself ,, IM AN AVERAGE RESPONDER TO HORMONES AND I JUST DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT CONNECTIONS FOR THE CONTACTS NEEDED FOR LEGIT HORMONES AND CONSISTANCY IN THOSE LEGIT HORMONES!
yes this posting will be erased and i have no problem with it ! but the ones who read it knows gh15 is right to the t not 90% right but right 100% ,,
there is no natural bodybuild,,
the natural liar ...usualy log into a bodybuild steroid boarding....about 2.5 to 3 months out of a compeittion seeking products,, IT IS ALWAYS THE SAME,,
the following happen ,, they will send a text to a friend ...most likly my pupils saying ,, you are right bodybuild is all drugs,, then within days log into steroid boarding and ordoer what needed,, AND THEN lie LIE LIE LIE and say they done it natural ,, why? BECAUSE THEY GREW INTO A SHOW using a product that put them at 169lb 5'10 6% .....that is not a hormonized number in the mental state of those fellas and thus the lie
i really really came to despize bodybuild for this ,, and i blame many of you the so call naturals for this,, this is mental sickness,,
gh15 approved
Listen asshole... I take exception to you telling me I'm on drugs. Especially when you don't even know me.
My goal isn't to be built like a fridge, with distended gut and oil-filled arms, or to pump myself full of crap to be ripped, or jacked, or pose in sequined trunks.
My goal is to be healthy first and foremost, so that I don't die of a heart attack before I hit 40. My goal is to feel good physically, and to be able to do everything that I enjoy and want to do. My goal is to live my life to its fullest. I can do those things without having to pump eighty different kinds of drugs in me.
I wasted my 20's behind a desk, pursuing my career and not paying much attention to my life. I went into the gym knowing I didn't want to spend my 30's the same way. Lifting makes me feel good and improves my body and my mood and brings me closer to my goals. That's what matters. I don't need to gulp down pills by the bucketful to do that. Sculpted abs and shredded glutes... I couldn't give a flying fuck about that.
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Don't fill my thread with your bullshit asshole. If you don't like that this thread is about nattys, get the fuck off and don't post.
75% of hormonized bodybuild do it to feel good,, they dont want to be fridge,,,fridge doesnt come from anabolci steroids friend,, it come from abuse of insulina and human growth hormone,,
enough with the lies already ,, yes there is minority of naturals who dont get anywhere...they may look half way decent WITH OUT shirt on ,, but! reality of the matter and anyone who been bodybuild for 3 years + will tell you that...you can nto and will nto improve unless on hormones no matter how much you scream and how much you twist what hormones do and how much you have mind and muscle conection
BODYBUILD IS THE ! DRUG
gh15 approved
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GH15. I think you're confused. "bodybuild" to you means to compete. "bodybuild" to most on this board means to just workout and get in good shape.
I "bodybuild" for the last 20 years now. I don't compete and have never been on steroids. Many people are the same as me.
I'm asking you nicely before I have the MODS ban you. Don't come on my thread under the NATURAL BODYBUILDING board and harass people.
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75% of hormonized bodybuild do it to feel good,, they dont want to be fridge,,,fridge doesnt come from anabolci steroids friend,, it come from abuse of insulina and human growth hormone,,
enough with the lies already ,, yes there is minority of naturals who dont get anywhere...they may look half way decent WITH OUT shirt on ,, but! reality of the matter and anyone who been bodybuild for 3 years + will tell you that...you can nto and will nto improve unless on hormones no matter how much you scream and how much you twist what hormones do and how much you have mind and muscle conection
BODYBUILD IS THE ! DRUG
gh15 approved
That depends on your definition of "improve" doesn't it? Again, not everyone here cares for shredded glutes and washboard abs. I can understand that this may be a novel concept to you, but it's true. Not everyone who "bodybuilds" wants to be Markus Rühl.
I don't care to compete, or to look diesel, or whatever is the proper term. I want to improve my health and my body. I can do that without drugs, no matter what some guy on an Internet forum says.
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I'm 32 and only recently started hitting the gym, so I can't really speak on the difference over time.
My personal experience, however, is that I *feel* better than I have in a long time and I wish I'd started doing this a long time ago. As for strength, I have actually pleasantly surprised myself and find that despite years of poor (see: horrible) eating, no exercise and a sedentary lifestyle, I may be a tub of lard, but my body isn't a wreck yet -- as long as I warm up first anyways.
After I get in a little better shape, I plan on going to the doctor again for a complete physical and will ask to have test levels checks though, and act accordingly.
This was also my initial interest in hormones as well. But here is what I have found from my research so far:
Testosterone is what typically will be prescribed in the USA and in physiological doses. Even at this dose there seems to be some possible risk and side effect (like any medication). Some of those things can include items like:
- Increase in bad cholesterol levels.
- Decrease in good cholesterol levels.
- Thickening of the blood.
There are other side effects too but for me these stood out the most since there were heart issues on both my father's and mother's side of the family.
My wife may get a job transfer to Istanbul Turkey where other options exist. Some of the "lighter" compounds that could be used in lieu of testosterone also seem to have side effects. I won't bother to get into all that. Basically the more I read and ask questions, the more I am thinking that messing with your body's endocrine system is not a good idea.
So far the safest and best options seem to be:
#1 Diet:
Learning what your metabolic rate is.
Understanding how you respond to various foods.
Figuring out what caloric range you need and what mix of carbs, fats, protein, etc works for you.
#2 Physical activity:
If you want to be healthy and burn fat do cardio. Any type that gets your heart rate up is good. How often depends on your body type and how much you want to try to loose.
Weights - duh that is why most of us log on here. (strength, muscle tone, etc.)
#3 Detox:
A good colon detox is essential. Think about it, how long are your intestines? If you are backed up ... how much toxins can sit in there for how long? Just something to think about.
Full on juice flushes.
Kidney detox - lots of herbs/liquids.
Liver detox - same as above.
A good place I have used that WORKS for detox is https://www.herbdoc.com (https://www.herbdoc.com) His supplements have helped.
So far this is the stuff I have learned being natural. So I hope it helps. 8)
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JAM,
Thanks for that post. I agree and some of the stuff you list showed up in my own research as well. As I said, this is something that I'd get checked out for and then, decide with my doctor, what makes for me.
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43,,,train 4x per wk,bodyparts once per wk,calves and abs 2x,training long time,competed as middleweight 5'7 is closer 5'8 i guess depends on weather,,some supp's nothing out of the ordinary .eat 4-6 meals per day,relativley clean.clean/dirty bulk in winter a tad,,pics taken aug 2011.
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The main things I noticed are slower recovery (I know, I won't recover ;D) and being more prone to injury. I haven't noticed a "real" strength decrease. When I was younger I could go on till the muscles gave out, nowadays it's the joints that give out first, gradually of course.
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The main things I noticed are slower recovery (I know, I won't recover ;D) and being more prone to injury. I haven't noticed a "real" strength decrease. When I was younger I could go on till the muscles gave out, nowadays it's the joints that give out first, gradually of course.
Those damn joints... My right shoulder has been killing me for weeks.
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So far Glucosamine / Chondroitin with MSM seems to help me with the joints. I also drink lots of water. Like 1-2 gallons a day and that also seems to help. :)
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GH15. I think you're confused. "bodybuild" to you means to compete. "bodybuild" to most on this board means to just workout and get in good shape.
I "bodybuild" for the last 20 years now. I don't compete and have never been on steroids. Many people are the same as me.
I'm asking you nicely before I have the MODS ban you. Don't come on my thread under the NATURAL BODYBUILDING board and harass people.
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For joints I've been using Cissus constantly for 3-4 months now and noticed a huge improvement, much better than Glucosamine combo.
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For joints I've been using Cissus constantly for 3-4 months now and noticed a huge improvement, much better than Glucosamine combo.
Thanks, I'll look into that. I never heard of it. :)
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Thanks, I'll look into that. I never heard of it. :)
Alot of people are getting good results with it.
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Alot of people are getting good results with it.
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43,,,train 4x per wk,bodyparts once per wk,calves and abs 2x,training long time,competed as middleweight 5'7 is closer 5'8 i guess depends on weather,,some supp's nothing out of the ordinary .eat 4-6 meals per day,relativley clean.clean/dirty bulk in winter a tad,,pics taken aug 2011.
Would love to compare notes on training....42yo here...I train 4 - 5x/week....going to switch to this:
Sunday - Off/Cheat Day (5 -6000 cals)
Mon - Chest/Calf/Shoudler stability work
Tue - Back (Calves) - also deadlift day 1850cals
Wed - Core/Abs/functional work - 1700cals
Thurs - Off/eat normal till last meal of day - Cheat meal (maybe 1200 - 1500 cals)
Friday - Delt/Bi/Tri/Ab - 1850cals
Sat - Legs - 1850cals
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I NEVER thought I would be doing core/functional shit when I was 25....now, absolutely...then again, I stopped being a bodybuilding douche in 2008....
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How many of you switched up your routines for 2012? I adjusted mine recently to more reps/sets/volume with lighter weight. Tendonitis flare up in right elbow and a little sprain in right shoulder too so moderate to heavy is out for a while.
Workouts are now a bit more cardio like with minimal rest between sets. Good pumps and works so far. Probably will take a couple months to let that heal up. ;)
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I think I'm switching over to 531, and will start conservatively. Slow but sure progress for my old bones.
Have you tried taking cissus? Check out mobilitwod.com. Paul Carter recommends lots of light curls plus elbow sleeves:
Quick question actually, I remember you mentioning you had some tendinitis in your elbows and that it has gotten better. What did you do to fix it? Do you wear the inzer sleeves you have because of that? I have some bicep tendinitis mine originates in my shoulder but it's been wreaking havoc up and down my arm when it's inflamed just looking for ideas.
Thanks for another awesome post!
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Paul CarterJan 25, 2012 09:06 AM
Jason - The elbow sleeves all the time. I would wear em about half the time before and that was a mistake. I wear em for every pressing session now. That an also concentrating on lots and lots of curls. Light for like 4-5 sets of 20. When I say light, I mean like 70-75 pound barbell curls and 30 pound db curls for 5 sets of 20. Helps a ton.
http://www.lift-run-bang.com/2012/01/company-that-you-keep.html (http://www.lift-run-bang.com/2012/01/company-that-you-keep.html)
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I haven't started taking that or anything else really. So far joints are ok. (not jinxing it I hope) The MSM/Chondrotin helps and I have 2 bottles left. So someday when it runs out or expires I might try the other stuff you mentioned.
Except once in a while the tendonitis flares up in the right arm. Probably not joint (ball socket, etc) related. I think it is mostly that outer tendon from lots of right arm repetitive and shocking motions (kendo). A good tennis wrap seems to help so far and adjusting my workout whenever it goes wacky.
I think I'm on the same path as that guy who responded to you. I lightened things up, go for higher reps, sets, and more volume vs heavy short and sweet. I wear a wrap and so far it is getting better.
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i take tribulus with great results. and saw palmetto as well to avoid sides.
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55 yr old Natural Bodybuilder Glad to be a part of this forum Guys Thx
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55 yr old Natural Bodybuilder Glad to be a part of this forum Guys Thx
Enjoy it Charlie. Be prepared to take some knocks, but don't take it too seriously
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38 - no real signs of weakening yet
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51 years old (2 weeks out of getting 52 :'(), training since 1980 (public Gym since 1981). Had some serious injuries in my late 30´s early 40´s (also tendom rupture left leg), where i lifted my personal records (Deadlift 725 lbs, Bench 485 lbs unequipped).
Since my mid 40´s i train all rep-ranges from 3 - 50 + reps. I take 4 joint support capsules/Daily + 4-6 Omega 3 + 1g Vitamin C, and training the exercises my Body and tendoms/ligaments can handle with.
I dropped my bodyweight last year down from 310-320 lbs (6 "2") to 242 lbs., and now act. again in gaining a bit muscles again (current weight 258 lbs, would not go any higher than 264 again, it´s enough for my age).
here is one example set of my 2nd triceps-exercise yesterday, last set triceps pushdowns on a Life fitness lat pulldown, seated on a 80 Degree incline bench (5th oct. 2014)....
i train 3 times in 5 days.....sometimes (if needed) i take a extra day off.
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51 years old (2 weeks out of getting 52 :'(), training since 1980 (public Gym since 1981). Had some serious injuries in my late 30´s early 40´s (also tendom rupture left leg), where i lifted my personal records (Deadlift 725 lbs, Bench 485 lbs unequipped).
Since my mid 40´s i train all rep-ranges from 3 - 50 + reps. I take 4 joint support capsules/Daily + 4-6 Omega 3 + 1g Vitamin C, and training the exercises my Body and tendoms/ligaments can handle with.
I dropped my bodyweight last year down from 310-320 lbs (6 "2") to 242 lbs., and now act. again in gaining a bit muscles again (current weight 258 lbs, would not go any higher than 264 again, it´s enough for my age).
here is one example set of my 2nd triceps-exercise yesterday, last set triceps pushdowns on a Life fitness lat pulldown, seated on a 80 Degree incline bench (5th oct. 2014)....
i train 3 times in 5 days.....sometimes (if needed) i take a extra day off.
8),,,GOOD LUCK..
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48 yrs old... training non-stop for 34 yrs..(minus Desert Shield/Storm pullups, pushups n sea bag squats.. lol ) trained for 6 days/week. each bodypart twice/week down to 3 days/week, each bodypart once per week since 1995 (last bodybuilding contest) .... train smarter, eat clean, use 2/3 the weight, less sets but more reps, flawless form....... look as good or better than '95 and feel great... no joint pains or bad workouts.... 3 kids.... 4th on the way..... best investment was in 1996... dumbbells and rack and parabody 200lb stack with adj. bench...... train legs at gym....... that being said,,, recovery time seems a bit longer than at 25, but that is expected.... surprising to be able to maintain mass over the years and still stay lean... but I guess no substitute for experience.... arms stay at 18" and legs 26".... but that's fine with me.... going back to the heavy stuff would be a lesson in joint pain to say the least.... ;D get bugged constantly to do a Natural Masters.... who knows...... props to all w/kids and still keeping it real in the gym department..... not easy....
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48 yrs old... training non-stop for 34 yrs..(minus Desert Shield/Storm pullups, pushups n sea bag squats.. lol ) trained for 6 days/week. each bodypart twice/week down to 3 days/week, each bodypart once per week since 1995 (last bodybuilding contest) .... train smarter, eat clean, use 2/3 the weight, less sets but more reps, flawless form....... look as good or better than '95 and feel great... no joint pains or bad workouts.... 3 kids.... 4th on the way..... best investment was in 1996... dumbbells and rack and parabody 200lb stack with adj. bench...... train legs at gym....... that being said,,, recovery time seems a bit longer than at 25, but that is expected.... surprising to be able to maintain mass over the years and still stay lean... but I guess no substitute for experience.... arms stay at 18" and legs 26".... but that's fine with me.... going back to the heavy stuff would be a lesson in joint pain to say the least.... ;D get bugged constantly to do a Natural Masters.... who knows...... props to all w/kids and still keeping it real in the gym department..... not easy....
i'm 46 similar backrounds and i have 3 kids too,but 4 :o...same training philosophy..
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8),,,GOOD LUCK..
thanks......hope to keep fit even when i´m 60 +......
since my late 40´s i finish some exercises with very high rep sets....find a weight which bring me relative easy through the first 30 reps....and then go on for another 20-40 reps thinking "just 5 more....come on only 4 more,...and so on....and stop when the rep range (rom) starts getting to short.....this morning i finished chest with pec-deck (Butterfly...), 200 lbs. Stack + 2 x 5 kg plates, total 222 lbs. for + 50 reps....
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44 years old, been training since I was 18.
I noticed a drop off around 39 and then a larger one around 42. It's obvious I'm putting in the same effort but for diminishing returns now, and I seem to get a mild injury every second week. Currently battling golfers elbow and shoulder pain.
I switched up my training last year and went higher volume and lower weight but I seem to be smaller than when i was doing less with more weight. Maybe it's just age - who knows? I'm happy enough with things (until I see photos of myself from say, 6 ears ago).
Not too sure about trt. I know 3 guys who all had heart attacks after starting trt and one of their doctors blamed the trt straight away. My wife is trying to convince me to age gracefully!
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44 years old, been training since I was 18.
I noticed a drop off around 39 and then a larger one around 42. It's obvious I'm putting in the same effort but for diminishing returns now, and I seem to get a mild injury every second week. Currently battling golfers elbow and shoulder pain.
I switched up my training last year and went higher volume and lower weight but I seem to be smaller than when i was doing less with more weight. Maybe it's just age - who knows? I'm happy enough with things (until I see photos of myself from say, 6 ears ago).
Not too sure about trt. I know 3 guys who all had heart attacks after starting trt and one of their doctors blamed the trt straight away. My wife is trying to convince me to age gracefully!
whats your stats?how heavy are your heavier sets/reps ?how many days training/diet like?
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MVA for my 40th B-day, without Test would have still been trying to press and squat 315.....just mil. pressed 225 for 3... a must I think for injury recovery, would have loved pharma hgh,
and only running 200 cyp x 10 days....legally ;D
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whats your stats?how heavy are your heavier sets/reps ?how many days training/diet like?
As of this morning I'm 180lbs and 5'11. My best no bullshit bodyfat guess is probably 11-12%.
I used to weigh 187 at around 8% which I could maintain pretty easily.
I used to train 3 days a week - Mon/Wed/Fri - a push/pull split which I'd reverse the following week. Usually heavy (for me) - 2-3 worksets per exercise 8-12 reps. My best benching was with 120lb dumbells and I was dipping with 130lbs (eventually gave them away and did flyes instead). Chins with 35lbs, bent over rows (strict) - 170lbs max, squats with 3 plates.....nothing extra special but it always seemed to work well for me.
Since going lighter I've kept the same split but now I'm doing 5 sets of 15-20 with 80's (and decreasing the weight each set if I need to -which seems to be more and more often lately) , 4 sets of 15 flyes with 50's or 55's, 6 sets of 12 chins without weight, bent over rows 4 sets of 15 with 110lbs, squatting with 2 plates (I may go a little heavier depending on my energy levels)...
Arms have been put on the backburner until I can shift this elbow pain. Same with my shoulders - I do a few sets of laterals but no pressing lately.
I don't rest much between sets at all. A minute would be unusual.
I will admit, my back seems to be responding well to the lighter higher load. Nothing else though.
That's about it. I don't eat much but I never have.
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As of this morning I'm 180lbs and 5'11. My best no bullshit bodyfat guess is probably 11-12%.
I used to weigh 187 at around 8% which I could maintain pretty easily.
I used to train 3 days a week - Mon/Wed/Fri - a push/pull split which I'd reverse the following week. Usually heavy (for me) - 2-3 worksets per exercise 8-12 reps. My best benching was with 120lb dumbells and I was dipping with 130lbs (eventually gave them away and did flyes instead). Chins with 35lbs, bent over rows (strict) - 170lbs max, squats with 3 plates.....nothing extra special but it always seemed to work well for me.
Since going lighter I've kept the same split but now I'm doing 5 sets of 15-20 with 80's (and decreasing the weight each set if I need to -which seems to be more and more often lately) , 4 sets of 15 flyes with 50's or 55's, 6 sets of 12 chins without weight, bent over rows 4 sets of 15 with 110lbs, squatting with 2 plates (I may go a little heavier depending on my energy levels)...
Arms have been put on the backburner until I can shift this elbow pain. Same with my shoulders - I do a few sets of laterals but no pressing lately.
I don't rest much between sets at all. A minute would be unusual.
I will admit, my back seems to be responding well to the lighter higher load. Nothing else though.
That's about it. I don't eat much but I never have.
good stuff and training galain,,,some good heavy training there in past rows/presses ..
i'm 46
5'7 or 5'8 lol..180-190 depends winter/super summer shape never go past 10pct,,right now slight bulk look for me,,usually 8pct ish abs always in total or close
train 4 days mon/wed/thurs/sat or sun if i work saturdays...if i have ex time i do a pump day in home gym setup too so thn its 5 days always 4 tho.
competed in 90's as a middlewight
i get on strong days db chest presses 85/90 some good reps/flyes inc/ flat 50/60's still
db curls bi's 45/50's on strong days usually 40's is right tempo/pump sometimes u have to show off lol..
legs i am very strong 405 for 8 -10 wrapped/belt,leg presses 7-8 plates per side/hacks up to 6 plates per side.
back bent over rows up to 245 and i'm still getting 8-10 reps/chins sets of 12 bodyweight easy/back im strong as well up to 90/100 on db rows
delts i do pump work works for me same as tri's,,,shrugs i get up to 315
eating 4/5 times a day i graze small amounts.. good on protein /mod carbs /some fats ..i portion
zero cardio.....
this pic was last week...
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I'm a year and half off 46 mate and would be more than happy to look like that!
I always liked the heavy training but as I got older the injuries became more and more niggling.
My wife keeps telling me to compare myself to other 44 year olds, not myself at 34. Maybe she has a point!
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I'm a year and half off 46 mate and would be more than happy to look like that!
I always liked the heavy training but as I got older the injuries became more and more niggling.
My wife keeps telling me to compare myself to other 44 year olds, not myself at 34. Maybe she has a point!
I get some little bugs here and there,but I usually heal quick or its not even an issue,i sleep 6/7 hrs ,never miss a meal..LOTS ENERGY..3 KIDS 9/5/1...SUPPLEMENTS WHEY/MULTI/JUST STARTED CREATINE AGAIN USUALLY WINTER HEAVIER TRAINING/AGMATINE A NO PRECURSOR BETTER THAN ARGININE...THATS ALL...
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Hi Guys, I am new to Getbig forums and am enjoying the info you pick up on here. I am 67 years old, married, and have two children. My eldest is 38 years old and my youngest is 11. I train every day, either in our own beautiful gym my wife and I had built in our back garden or in gyms all over the world, as I work for a major British airline and am in a different country and continent most weeks. I love visiting the USA and training in the great gyms you have.
Setting goals is important as you get older, in order to give you something to focus on, I have competed since I was 16 years old with breaks in the competitive side of things to race on my bike on the Velodromes which is really exciting, but does get you some broken bones now and again. I have never stopped training in the gym except when in hospital due to cycling injury, food poisoning or stuck in war zones while flying.
I have been very lucky in having some great teachers/mentors/friends in bodybuilding. My best friend is Amateur and Professional NABBA Universe winner Len Sell, I was also trained by Vince Gironda and I worked for and trained with Reg Park in the '60s. Each workout I focus and visualise how I want to look, no music, no talking, just concentration. Con sen trate it comes from a Chinese word and it means, Look towards the Center
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Hi Guys, I am new to Getbig forums and am enjoying the info you pick up on here. I am 67 years old, married, and have two children. My eldest is 38 years old and my youngest is 11. I train every day, either in our own beautiful gym my wife and I had built in our back garden or in gyms all over the world, as I work for a major British airline and am in a different country and continent most weeks. I love visiting the USA and training in the great gyms you have.
Setting goals is important as you get older, in order to give you something to focus on, I have competed since I was 16 years old with breaks in the competitive side of things to race on my bike on the Velodromes which is really exciting, but does get you some broken bones now and again. I have never stopped training in the gym except when in hospital due to cycling injury, food poisoning or stuck in war zones while flying.
I have been very lucky in having some great teachers/mentors/friends in bodybuilding. My best friend is Amateur and Professional NABBA Universe winner Len Sell, I was also trained by Vince Gironda and I worked for and trained with Reg Park in the '60s. Each workout I focus and visualise how I want to look, no music, no talking, just concentration. Con sen trate it comes from a Chinese word and it means, Look towards the Center
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ver stopped training in the gym except when in hospital due to cycling injury, food poisoning or stuck in war zones while flying.
I have been very lucky in having some great teachers/mentors/friends in bodybuilding. My best friend is Amateur and Professional NABBA Universe winner Len Sell, I was also trained by Vince Gironda and I worked for and trained with Reg Park in the '60s. Each workout I focus and visualise how I want to look, no music, no talking, just concentration. Con sen trate it comes from a Chinese word and it means, Look towards the Center
is Len Sells gym in Walthamstow still going?
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Yes BBC, it is I believe, though Len sold it about 12 years ago, maybe a bit longer than that and I have not been there for about 15 years. Len sold the gym and moved to Perth, Western Australia as his children all live there and he loves the climate. He still trains and is enjoying his retirement.
I remember helping him clear out the basement of the building when he first started the gym. As you may know he eventually ended up having all three floors of the building.
Boy, you could not see into the mirrors on the basement gym walls when everyone was training flat out in the evenings. What a great atmosphere, and the competitive, but very friendly spirit the guys all had then. No head phones, people actually talked to each other and spotted each other without being asked. So many of the guys competed against each other yet were bound by the ethos of the gym, the ethos that Len created.
I miss that in nearly all of the gyms I train at around the world.