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Title: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 19, 2009, 02:11:44 PM
It has been reported in today's New York Daily News that Craig Titus supplied HGH, Deca-Durabolin and Winstrol to a person named Kelly Blair, a Gym owner and a person who Craig Titus worked out with....

Apparently Craig was the source for these drugs which were then sold by Mr. Blair to Major League Baseball players Andy Pettite and Roger Clemens of the New York Yankees and to Jeff Bagwell of the Houston Astros...

Blair has already admitted brokering illegal transfers of steroids and HGH to major league players and has implicated Titus as his supplier....he will testify in front of congress on Aug 4th...

Amazing!!!....what ELSE was Craig involved in??


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: PANDAEMONIUM on July 19, 2009, 02:13:50 PM
Amazing!!!....what ELSE was Craig involved in??

Well, they never did solve that Jimmy Hoffa thing, did they? ;D


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: divcom on July 19, 2009, 02:16:40 PM
why is the nfl off limits?  steroid scandal would reduce the league to peewee ball.  ALL BS!


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: dr.chimps on July 19, 2009, 02:40:13 PM
Well, they never did solve that Jimmy Hoffa thing, did they? ;D
Thought he was in a 45 gallon drum in the Giants endzone!?    ;D


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: PANDAEMONIUM on July 19, 2009, 02:41:18 PM
Thought he was in a 45 gallon drum in the Giants endzone!?    ;D

ha, you're right, my bad :D


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Sir Humphrey on July 19, 2009, 03:06:57 PM
Bob Chick will be here in a very soon moment to remind us of how wholesome professional bodybuilding is, and that Craig Titus was, indeed, an outlier.

Surely none of the professional athletes whom Bob has had the pleasure to represent would meddle in such things as anabolic steroids, and certainly not dealing!

Tally ho  :P


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 19, 2009, 03:09:36 PM
Bob Chick will be here in a very soon moment to remind us of how wholesome professional bodybuilding is, and that Craig Titus was, indeed, an outlier.

Surely none of the professional athletes whom Bob has had the pleasure to represent would meddle in such things as anabolic steroids, and certainly not dealing!

Tally ho  :P
Yea Chick knows nothing about steriods, the IFBB is clean ;D


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 19, 2009, 03:38:29 PM
Bob Chick will be here in a very soon moment to remind us of how wholesome professional bodybuilding is, and that Craig Titus was, indeed, an outlier.

Surely none of the professional athletes whom Bob has had the pleasure to represent would meddle in such things as anabolic steroids, and certainly not dealing!

Tally ho  :P

As wholesome as baseball, apparently

Welcome to reality


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 19, 2009, 04:11:22 PM
How much trouble can one guy get himself into?...it's a shame this guy is going to waste away in jail..although he DOES deserve it

we should have an official Kelly watch countdown....how long before she gets out of jail and is doing threesomes with some other bodybuilder type?..while Titus rots away?


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 19, 2009, 04:13:17 PM
How much trouble can one guy get himself into?...it's a shame this guy is going to waste away in jail..although he DOES deserve it

we should have an official Kelly watch countdown....how long before she gets out of jail and is doing threesomes with some other bodybuilder type?..while Titus rots away?
Spot on  ;D


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 19, 2009, 04:15:18 PM
As wholesome as baseball, apparently

Welcome to reality

Are drugs as integral to baseball as they are to bodybuilding? No, bodybuilding IS drugs. There is no other activity to which they are as essential.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 19, 2009, 04:16:25 PM
Are drugs as integral to baseball as they are to bodybuilding? No, bodybuilding IS drugs. There is no other activity to which they are as essential.

point well taken


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: haider on July 19, 2009, 04:17:27 PM
Are drugs as integral to baseball as they are to bodybuilding? No, bodybuilding IS drugs. There is no other activity to which they are as essential.
Disregarding whether this is true or not, you really think that someone whose livelihood is bodybuilding will concede to this point?  :D


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Sir Humphrey on July 19, 2009, 04:19:32 PM
As wholesome as baseball, apparently

Welcome to reality

My prediction came true sooner than I thought it might.  :P


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 19, 2009, 04:24:16 PM
Disregarding whether this is true or not, you really think that someone whose livelihood is bodybuilding will concede to this point?  :D

Nope....thats why John Romano is such an apologist with his constant pro-steroids rants.....if steroids were taken out of the equation in professional bodybuilding, guys like him and all of the bodybuilding "gurus" would be out a job big time...

would give anything to know whats on Titus' mind right now as he's sitting in that cell....I'm quite sure he is going to write a book someday....he'll do this to counter the inevitable book by Kelly which will blame Craig for the whole thing..

Kelly will write a book so as to make a quick buck and to rehabilitate herself within the bodybuilding community...she'll say Craig was a svengali and had her under his control through drug use, mind control, etc , etc, etc


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 19, 2009, 04:25:47 PM
Are drugs as integral to baseball as they are to bodybuilding? No, bodybuilding IS drugs. There is no other activity to which they are as essential.

They're integral to virtually ALL sports...they aren't "essential" either, they're taken by choice...just as they are in football, baseball and pretty much every other sport on the planet


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 19, 2009, 04:31:30 PM
They're integral to virtually ALL sports...they aren't "essential" either, they're taken by choice...just as they are in football, baseball and pretty much every other sport on the planet


Hi chick...look I'm not here to bash you..I have a lot of respect for you.....but chick, I think you are wrong about drugs being essential to all sports.....if drugs went away from other sports, they would survive..but I'm not sure thats the case with bodybuilding....

it's just kinda weird that an entire sports industry such as bodybuilding rests on illegal drug use...

Honestly..in your heart of hearts..do you believe that if drug use was banned tomorow with serious testing that bodybuilding would survive as it is now?


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: RJ on July 19, 2009, 04:33:23 PM
Every sport accept hockey. At least we Canadians can still have some pride and dignity in our little sport. You dont see to many juice monkeys rollin around with hockey skates on.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 19, 2009, 04:34:09 PM

Hi chick...look I'm not here to bash you..I have a lot of respect for you.....but chick, I think you are wrong about drugs being essential to all sports.....if drugs went away from other sports, they would survive..but I'm not sure thats the case with bodybuilding....

it's just kinda weird that an entire sports industry such as bodybuilding rests on illegal drug use...

Honestly..in your heart of hearts..do you believe that if drug use was banned tomorow with serious testing that bodybuilding would survive as it is now?
Bodybuilding would go back to the 60's without drugs. No more monsters but more pleasing physiques.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 19, 2009, 04:34:20 PM
They're integral to virtually ALL sports...they aren't "essential" either, they're taken by choice...just as they are in football, baseball and pretty much every other sport on the planet

There is NO bodybuilding, as we know it, without drugs. Even in strength sports like powerlifting there's elite lifters who've never used drugs. But there are NO elite bodybuilders who haven't used drugs. Bodybuilding = drugs. Baseball without drugs = poorer performance but the game can be played without them and players don't stay home because they couldn't use drugs for some reason.

Get the IFBB bodybuilders into a legit off-season testing program and the fed is dead!


Disregarding whether this is true or not, you really think that someone whose livelihood is bodybuilding will concede to this point?  :D

Of course not. But it's just so silly to see a pro bb say drugs are just as prevalent in other sports. There is no pro bodybuilding without drugs.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Mr.1derful on July 19, 2009, 04:35:06 PM
In professional bodybuilding drug use and abuse is generally more readily identifiable.  The very nature of the sport itself is extreme development, even when compared to top level athletes in other vocations.  When it comes to more mainstream sports, most of the going public tends to want to suspend their disbelief and maintain the hero status of their favorite athletes.  Athletes in most of these sports can disguise their usage beneath their uniforms and constant denials.  If anything, bodybuilding is more open about the fact that, drugs are a fact in sport. 


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 19, 2009, 04:35:50 PM
Every sport accept hockey. At least we Canadians can still have some pride and dignity in our little sport. You dont see to many juice monkeys rollin around with hockey skates on.


that's true on the surface....but there have been some hockey players caught with steroids but since hockey is not a top tier sport not alot was publicized about it....

does hockey have testing?


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 19, 2009, 04:35:55 PM

Hi chick...look I'm not here to bash you..I have a lot of respect for you.....but chick, I think you are wrong about drugs being essential to all sports.....if drugs went away from other sports, they would survive..but I'm not sure thats the case with bodybuilding....

it's just kinda weird that an entire sports industry such as bodybuilding rests on illegal drug use...

Honestly..in your heart of hearts..do you believe that if drug use was banned tomorow with serious testing that bodybuilding would survive as it is now?

Of course it would survive...the guys would be smaller, maybe not as ripped....but if it were cross the board and an even playing field...what difference would it make?  All relative....

Baseball has survived, so has football, etc


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 19, 2009, 04:38:50 PM
There is NO bodybuilding, as we know it, without drugs. Even in strength sports like powerlifting there's elite lifters who've never used drugs. But there are NO elite bodybuilders who haven't used drugs. Bodybuilding = drugs. Baseball without drugs = poorer performance but the game can be played without them and players don't stay home because they couldn't use drugs for some reason.

Get the IFBB bodybuilders into a legit off-season testing program and the fed is dead!


Of course not. But it's just so silly to see a pro bb say drugs are just as prevalent in other sports. There is no pro bodybuilding without drugs.

One of the dumbest , most ignorant posts I've seen in a while

So...baseball lives on albeit with poorer performance...but B just folds tent and cant be done?  LOL


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 19, 2009, 04:39:42 PM
Of course it would survive...the guys would be smaller, maybe not as ripped....but if it were cross the board and an even playing field...what difference would it make?  All relative....

Baseball has survived, so has football, etc

Say the IFBB started with rigorous off-season testing. All the bodybuilders would move to NABBA or whatever while the IFBB died. Bodybuilders would have their drugs, no matter what.



Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 19, 2009, 04:40:30 PM
Of course it would survive...the guys would be smaller, maybe not as ripped....but if it were cross the board and an even playing field...what difference would it make?  All relative....

Baseball has survived, so has football, etc
Again - Bodybuilding would go back to the 60's without drugs. No more monsters but more pleasing physiques. It would survive though


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 19, 2009, 04:41:38 PM
Say the IFBB started with rigorous off-season testing. All the bodybuilders would move to NABBA or whatever while the IFBB died. Bodybuilders would have their drugs, no matter what.



Thank you, Nostradamus


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 19, 2009, 04:42:16 PM
Again - Bodybuilding would go back to the 60's without drugs. No more monsters but more pleasing physiques. It would survive though

Glad someone here has some common sense


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: RJ on July 19, 2009, 04:42:23 PM
Im proud to say hockey does have testing, and there has never been a positive test..Ever.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 19, 2009, 04:43:53 PM
Of course it would survive...the guys would be smaller, maybe not as ripped....but if it were cross the board and an even playing field...what difference would it make?  All relative....

Baseball has survived, so has football, etc


you make a good point chick,..but there would definitely be a major shrinkage in the amount of persons like yourself who make a living from bodybuilding...such as the so-called "gurus"

maybe guys like yourself would survive because you are well-spoken and have some acting ability, but the gurus and supp companies would tank big time


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 19, 2009, 04:45:42 PM
One of the dumbest , most ignorant posts I've seen in a while

So...baseball lives on albeit with poorer performance...but B just folds tent and cant be done?  LOL

I think the same about your posts here.  :D

Bodybuilders will have their drugs no matter what. If bb somehow went clean there would only be memories of what used to be. Less than that doesn't cut it either for fans or those who used to do it with drugs. The difference would be so huge it would be an eyesore to go to a natural show after witnessing drugged bodybuilding. It would literally be painful to watch.



Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: RJ on July 19, 2009, 04:47:21 PM
What do you mean? The supplement companies would sky rocket if steroids were wiped off the earth. Bodybuilding would be just as big I believe without the drugs. Bodybuilding is a carnival act, not really a sport. Thats why back in the 70's allot of competitions were held at carnivals.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Mr.1derful on July 19, 2009, 04:48:14 PM
I think the same about your posts here.  :D

Bodybuilders will have their drugs no matter what. If bb somehow went clean there would only be memories of what used to be. Less than that doesn't cut it either for fans or those who used to do it with drugs. The difference would be so huge it would be an eyesore to go to a natural show after witnessing drugged bodybuilding. It would literally be painful to watch.



There would be an adjustment period, but in the end it is my belief that true fans of the sport would continue to follow it, to follow the best physiques available, even if they didn't have the grandiose of the drug induced ones that came before them.  


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 19, 2009, 04:48:48 PM
Again - Bodybuilding would go back to the 60's without drugs. No more monsters but more pleasing physiques. It would survive though

It would go back further. How exited would you be if the next bb show featured bodybuilders looking like Eugen Sandow, as the pinnacle, after seeing pro bb as it exists today?


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: RJ on July 19, 2009, 04:48:54 PM
It just happens I enjoy this carnival act.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 19, 2009, 04:50:09 PM
It would go back further. How exited would you be if the next bb show featured bodybuilders looking like Eugen Sandow, as the pinnacle, after seeing pro bb as it exists today?


Eugene Sandow!!!.....funny ;D


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 19, 2009, 04:50:30 PM

you make a good point chick,..but there would definitely be a major shrinkage in the amount of persons like yourself who make a living from bodybuilding...such as the so-called "gurus"

maybe guys like yourself would survive because you are well-spoken and have some acting ability, but the gurus and supp companies would tank big time

Actually, the demand for guru's would increase significantly without the gear...


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 19, 2009, 04:50:40 PM
There would be an adjustment period, but in the end it is my belief that true fans of the sport would continue to follow it, to follow the best physiques available, even if they didn't have the grandiose of the drug induced ones that came before them.  

What is a true fan? I'm a huge fan but I wouldn't give a flying fuck who won the next natural show. I'm not following Layne Nortons show calendar, and even guys on that level use.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 19, 2009, 04:52:19 PM
What is a true fan? I'm a huge fan but I wouldn't give a flying fuck who won the next natural show. I'm not following Layne Nortons show calendar, and even guys on that level use.

So, you're only a BB fan if the drugs are present?


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: RJ on July 19, 2009, 04:53:20 PM
Ronny Coleman still would of won 8 mr. olympias if steroids never existed. Mr. Chick would still be a pro as well. Steroids dont make a pro bodybuilder, they just enhance there superior god gifted genetics.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 19, 2009, 04:53:36 PM
Actually, the demand for guru's would increase significantly without the gear...

It would be a different type of guru in that case. Seeing as 99% of all "gurus" today are drug connections.  :D


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 19, 2009, 04:54:12 PM
What do you mean? The supplement companies would sky rocket if steroids were wiped off the earth. Bodybuilding would be just as big I believe without the drugs. Bodybuilding is a carnival act, not really a sport. Thats why back in the 70's allot of competitions were held at carnivals.


you make a good point but supplement companies make money by selling a DREAM...look at their ads..they have roided -up bodybuilders there for a reason..how come they don't have a 50's bodybuilding type, which is the reality?.......there's no money in selling fitness.....or reasonably attainable physiques.....

you know the old saying...that psychologically, the masses will believe a really BIG lie rather than a small one closer to reality...


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Mr.1derful on July 19, 2009, 04:54:25 PM
What is a true fan? I'm a huge fan but I wouldn't give a flying fuck who won the next natural show. I'm not following Layne Nortons show calendar, and even guys on that level use.

I won't deny that drugs play a role, of course they do and it would be reflected in the physiques if they were taken away.  That being said, if you take the most genetically gifted bodybuilders and they compete at a high level, drugs or not, they will still have development well beyond what Joe Public can comprehend.  


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 19, 2009, 04:56:05 PM
So, you're only a BB fan if the drugs are present?

Absolutely. I would still train but why would I be looking at something that is average, something I would see at the gym every day? Bodybuilding is moderately exiting only because of the drugs, because it's so otherworldly. I know many won't admit to this but I'm sure I'm not alone.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 19, 2009, 04:57:46 PM

you make a good point but supplement companies make money by selling a DREAM...look at their ads..they have roided -up bodybuilders there for a reason..how come they don't have a 50's bodybuilding type, which is the reality?.......there's no money in selling fitness.....or reasonably attainable physiques.....

you know the old saying...that psychologically, the masses will believe a really BIG lie rather than a small one closer to reality...

Couldnt be more wrong...the real big money is in fitness, and a reasonably attainable physique...not in hardcore BB....

M&F outsells Flex by a huge margin....Mens Fitness outsells M&F by a landslide...The overwhelming majority of consumers of suplements are NON competing guys who have no aspirations of being a Pro BB, or even looking like one for that matter


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 19, 2009, 04:58:43 PM
I won't deny that drugs play a role, of course they do and it would be reflected in the physiques if they were taken away.  That being said, if you take the most genetically gifted bodybuilders and they compete at a high level, drugs or not, they will have development still beyond what Joe Public can comprehend.  

The only way it would work is if bodybuilding drugs disappeared from society altogether. What if you could see a better bodybuilder on Big Brother (like that Jessie dude) than at the Mr O? The Mr O would be a laughingstock.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 19, 2009, 04:59:42 PM
Absolutely. I would still train but why would I be looking at something that is average, something I would see at the gym every day? Bodybuilding is moderately exiting only because of the drugs, because it's so otherworldly. I know many won't admit to this but I'm sure I'm not alone.

And why would people pay to see average playing BB players? Or 250 lb. linemen? Or Mediocre track and field athletes who are "sort of" fast?


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 19, 2009, 04:59:55 PM
Couldnt be more wrong...the real big money is in fitness, and a reasonably attainable physique...not in hardcore BB....

M&F outsells Flex by a huge margin....Mens Fitness outsells M&F by a landslide...The overwhelming majority of consumers of suplements are NON competing guys who have no aspirations of being a Pro BB, or even looking like one for that matter
I would assume that womens fitness is high on the list too maybe even out sells mens fitness.?


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Mr.1derful on July 19, 2009, 05:00:05 PM
Absolutely. I would still train but why would I be looking at something that is average, something I would see at the gym every day? Bodybuilding is moderately exiting only because of the drugs, because it's so otherworldly. I know many won't admit to this but I'm sure I'm not alone.

So you believe that the average gym rat could rival the likes of Coleman and Yates in their primes, training hard, but not using drugs?  If so, then you must feel that anyone could be Mr. Olympia.  Just add drugs, right?  Some of the less gifted pros may suffer more so, but the top tier guys would still have potential for development beyond what most of us could aspire to.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 19, 2009, 05:01:55 PM
Couldnt be more wrong...the real big money is in fitness, and a reasonably attainable physique...not in hardcore BB....

M&F outsells Flex by a huge margin....Mens Fitness outsells M&F by a landslide...The overwhelming majority of consumers of suplements are NON competing guys who have no aspirations of being a Pro BB, or even looking like one for that matter


All good points..well taken....


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 19, 2009, 05:02:23 PM
And why would people pay to see average playing BB players? Or 250 lb. linemen? Or Mediocre track and field athletes who are "sort of" fast?

Wouldn't there still be team rivalry for example? I see a lot of elements that could still make it exiting.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 19, 2009, 05:03:21 PM
Wouldn't there still be team rivalry for example? I see a lot of elements that could still make it exiting.

True


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Red Hook on July 19, 2009, 05:04:22 PM
As wholesome as baseball, apparently

Welcome to reality

Bob, is craig still a friend of yours? do you still converse? and if so when was the last time?



Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 19, 2009, 05:04:36 PM
I would assume that womens fitness is high on the list too maybe even out sells mens fitness.?

Could be...I'll guarantee Cosmo outsells them all


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: RJ on July 19, 2009, 05:04:44 PM
Couldnt be more wrong...the real big money is in fitness, and a reasonably attainable physique...not in hardcore BB....

M&F outsells Flex by a huge margin....Mens Fitness outsells M&F by a landslide...The overwhelming majority of consumers of suplements are NON competing guys who have no aspirations of being a Pro BB, or even looking like one for that matter

That is so true. Im the only body builder amongst my friend group. I have yet to meet an average person who thinks Ronny Coleman looks good, and thats what they aspire to look like. You never ever ever see a top tier body builder in a main stream commercial on TV, or asked to do a show say like American Gladiators. Theres a reason for that, hardcore bb is a circus act like I said, its a cult like following, and its not mainstream. It never will be. It would be a bigger sport without the drugs guaranteed. It might even then be classified as a "sport" by mainstream public if you could wipe the drugs out. Hell TSN might even cover it.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 19, 2009, 05:06:41 PM
So you believe that the average gym rat could rival the likes of Coleman and Yates in their primes, training hard, but not using drugs?  

Those guys would still be better than the average gym rat but they wouldn't turn heads at any gym, since the difference would be so small. Like gh15 has explained so many times, there's an approximate body-weight range a natural athlete can reach. Even if you don't agree with his quoted ranges it's still there. "So the Mr O has a bicep that is 1-2 cm bigger than the biggest guy at our gym, big deal!"


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 19, 2009, 05:10:08 PM
Bob, is craig still a friend of yours? do you still converse? and if so when was the last time?




good question...and if Craig were to write a tell-all, would you figure prominently in the book?..any secrets you want to tell us before Craig does?..LOL


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Mr.1derful on July 19, 2009, 05:15:06 PM
Those guys would still be better than the average gym rat but they wouldn't turn heads at any gym, since the difference would be so small. Like gh15 has explained so many times, there's an approximate body-weight range a natural athlete can reach. Even if you don't agree with his quoted ranges it's still there. "So the Mr O has a bicep that is 1-2 cm bigger than the biggest guy at our gym, big deal!"

There would be an adjustment period, as I mentioned.  In the late 60's and early 70's, the peak muscle car years, you had an assortment of high powered engine choices.  By the late 70's things started powering down, and in the 80's, people drove anemic V8's.  People adjusted, and by the late 80's, if you had 200 horsepower, that was something.  Perhaps if a guy is 200 pounds ripped, that would inevitably be considered something again too.   Fans would adjust and the best physiques would still be the best, simple as that.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Method101 on July 19, 2009, 05:20:07 PM
a titus tribute video is in the works, it will be funny.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 19, 2009, 05:25:06 PM
There would be an adjustment period, as I mentioned.  In the late 60's and early 70's, the peak muscle car years, you had an assortment of high powered engine choices.  By the late 70's things started powering down, and in the 80's, people drove anemic V8's.  People adjusted, and by the late 80's, if you had 200 horsepower, that was something.  Perhaps if a guy is 200 pounds ripped, that would inevitably be considered something again too.   Fans would adjust and the best physiques would still be the best, simple as that.

You can never turn back the clock. We would still have the memory of what once was. It's been debated so much on this board but people still forget how desensitized we've become due to the physique altering drugs in all off society. Drugs have infiltrated even mainstream modeling where the models look like twigs. People do not know what a true elite natural body looks like anymore! Even if it's there right in front of them they do not see it, it's nothing anyone looks twice at. We're desensitized!

Like the Jessie dude from Big Brother, he has the drug look, despite not being very big at all. That look is not natural. If we could clean up competitive bb somehow we would have to eradicate them from all of the rest of society too... then perhaps the memory would fade over many decades. Not going to happen of course.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 19, 2009, 05:27:33 PM

good question...and if Craig were to write a tell-all, would you figure prominently in the book?..any secrets you want to tell us before Craig does?..LOL

Craig and I were never "friends", as for any "tell all" book...his credibility has never been the greatest.

I'm quite sure if a book ever did manage to materialize...I wouldnt be in it....never ran in the same circles, dont have anything worth bringing up.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 19, 2009, 05:29:06 PM
Wouldn't there still be team rivalry for example? I see a lot of elements that could still make it exiting.

You mean like Pro BBers competing against each other, without the drugs?

Your argument is laughable


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 19, 2009, 05:37:43 PM
You mean like Pro BBers competing against each other, without the drugs?

Your argument is laughable

Don't you remember what happened to the WBF? Don't you remember the 1990 Olympia? If fans don't care why isn't there drug testing?

I simply do not agree that most other sports are as dependent on drugs to keep the fans' interest.

If you really thought competition was what was important wouldn't you have been competing in natural shows instead yourself? Why go the drug route?

Look at this pic and tell me fans don't care.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 19, 2009, 05:44:06 PM
Don't you remember what happened to the WBF? Don't you remember the 1990 Olympia? If fans don't care why isn't there drug testing?

I simply do not agree that most other sports are as dependent on drugs to keep the fans' interest.

If you really thought competition was what was important wouldn't you have been competing in natural shows instead yourself? Why go the drug route?

Yeah...the WBF tanked because of poor management, stupid costumes, and not having the luxury of the best BBers in the world competing. 

1990 Olympia...well attended, and a perfect example of what I stated from post 1....guys werent as good as the year before, but still impressive and still the best in the world competing.

The fans DONT care..there is no drug testing because no one is asking for it

My goal was to compete against the best on a level playing field, which meant you had to consider the use of AAS...no one cared (or cares to this day) about natural BB


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 19, 2009, 05:49:39 PM
Think about this: if we fans really wanted the IFBB to be even semi-clean it could be done! It would be very hard to use steroids if there was out of competition testing. A WADA-like testing protocol and steroid use would drop dramatically. But it isn't done. Why? Someone wants the drugs to be used in unrestricted fashion. And if it was done 99% of the athletes competing today would flunk anyway, they would give a shit. Competing without drugs is simply unthinkable for most. They can't even pass in-competition testing - see the IFBB World Champs. Think about it, they can't abstain from drugs even for a few weeks!

I can't think of another sport where there's as many failures when strict testing is instituted.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: MethodGNA on July 19, 2009, 05:52:18 PM
Don't you remember what happened to the WBF? Don't you remember the 1990 Olympia? If fans don't care why isn't there drug testing?

I simply do not agree that most other sports are as dependent on drugs to keep the fans' interest.

If you really thought competition was what was important wouldn't you have been competing in natural shows instead yourself? Why go the drug route?

Look at this pic and tell me fans don't care.

i remember being at the olympia, when he came out like that.....i was like "what the fuck".

people have to understand that bodybuilding is unique in that the sport is part of a wider bodybuilding culture..............for example, there is no "wider professional football" culture...........dudes watch it on sunday, and go to games, but they do not live their life by it.  this bodybuilding  culture, is heavily reliant on steroids..........so if tomorrow, professioanl bodybuilding disappeared, no more contests............the culture would still exist.............conver sly, this culture does not want to see natural competitions, because PEDs are part of what they define themselves by..... so if you made professional bodybuilding natural bodybuilding, the fans would desert the sport............. they might be replaced by a fractional group of natural bodybuilding enthusiasts, but that group is very small..........and even  the natural bodybuilders i know.............when they talk about bodybuilding, they do not talk about other natural pros, they talk about the freaks..........because that is whats exciting...............

face it, no one cares about natural bodybuilding...........i went to the university of maryland, today i went to their campus rec center.........which happens to also house the pool, that the swim team competes in...........there was some kind of national competition going on there, the most elite college swimmers from all over the country...........and i had to laugh when i lookes down at all of them, because they looked almost exactly like most natural bodybuilders. :) :)  which is not really an insult, cause they were pretty shreaded, but no real mass to speak of


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 19, 2009, 05:54:21 PM
Think about this: if we fans really wanted the IFBB to be even semi-clean it could be done! It would be very hard to use steroids if there was out of competition testing. A WADA-like testing protocol and steroid use would drop dramatically. But it isn't done. Why? Someone wants the drugs to be used in unrestricted fashion. And if it was done 99% of the athletes competing today would flunk anyway, they would give a shit. Competing without drugs is simply unthinkable for most. They can't even pass in-competition testing - see the IFBB World Champs. Think about it, they can't abstain from drugs even for a few weeks!

I can't think of another sport where there's as many failures when strict testing is instituted.



NOBODY CARES

BB isn't high enough on the radar to be a concern...baseball is, football is, track is....

As for your misinformation on not being able to stay away from drugs for a few weeks... certain drugs stay in the sstem for a looong time


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 19, 2009, 06:07:32 PM
Yeah...the WBF tanked because of poor management, stupid costumes, and not having the luxury of the best BBers in the world competing. 

1990 Olympia...well attended, and a perfect example of what I stated from post 1....guys werent as good as the year before, but still impressive and still the best in the world competing.


The WBF tanked because of the drug issue period. At least that's what Tom Platz says. McMahon was under political pressure at the time. If he wanted to he could have continued with the drug testing and having shows. But even a few months off drugs the guys looked like shit. Truly drug free bodybuilding was obviously not a viable option.

The 1990 Olympia guys looked ok only because they just had to pass the test on the day of the show. Imagine if they had to be clean for a whole year for example? They would've looked like absolute dogshit.


As for your misinformation on not being able to stay away from drugs for a few weeks... certain drugs stay in the sstem for a looong time

Come on now, I know that perfectly well. But, bodybuilding is so drug dependent that they use the drugs to the very last possible hour while still hoping to pass. They won't get off well in advance to be sure to pass - instead they push the envelope as close as possible. Because even one extra day off drugs makes a difference.  :D A guy hears tren acetate via oral is detectable for 5 days. Does he get off a month out to be sure? No, he takes his last dose 5 days and 1 hour out. That's how big a difference the drugs make.  :D





Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: jesusbod on July 19, 2009, 06:26:37 PM
Well, they never did solve that Jimmy Hoffa thing, did they? ;D


I am sure Craig supplied the GH and roids to Hoffa..


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: lax on July 19, 2009, 06:32:29 PM
It has been reported in today's New York Daily News that Craig Titus supplied HGH, Deca-Durabolin and Winstrol to a person named Kelly Blair, a Gym owner and a person who Craig Titus worked out with....

Apparently Craig was the source for these drugs which were then sold by Mr. Blair to Major League Baseball players Andy Pettite and Roger Clemens of the New York Yankees and to Jeff Bagwell of the Houston Astros...

Blair has already admitted brokering illegal transfers of steroids and HGH to major league players and has implicated Titus as his supplier....he will testify in front of congress on Aug 4th...

Amazing!!!....what ELSE was Craig involved in??

I wouldn't say that that is so amazing.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 19, 2009, 07:01:32 PM
I wouldn't say that that is so amazing.


you don't feel that it's amazing that a guy who was a professional bodybuilder, and was convicted of murder was also found to be a middle man in the distribution of steroids to some of baseball's biggest stars?..good story if you ask me


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Method101 on July 20, 2009, 04:35:15 AM
a titus tribute video is in the works, it will be funny.
here we go for anyone who missed other thread lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNwyqGb5Vbk


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: DK II on July 20, 2009, 04:46:21 AM
It has been reported in today's New York Daily News that Craig Titus supplied HGH, Deca-Durabolin and Winstrol to a person named Kelly Blair, a Gym owner and a person who Craig Titus worked out with....

Apparently Craig was the source for these drugs which were then sold by Mr. Blair to Major League Baseball players Andy Pettite and Roger Clemens of the New York Yankees and to Jeff Bagwell of the Houston Astros...

Blair has already admitted brokering illegal transfers of steroids and HGH to major league players and has implicated Titus as his supplier....he will testify in front of congress on Aug 4th...

Amazing!!!....what ELSE was Craig involved in??

WHAT?? A bodybuilder dealing with steroids??

unheard of.  ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: DK II on July 20, 2009, 04:47:08 AM
Could be...I'll guarantee Cosmo outsells them all

Cosmo sells steroids?  ::) ::)


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: dr.chimps on July 20, 2009, 04:50:04 AM
Come on now, I know that perfectly well. But, bodybuilding is so drug dependent that they use the drugs to the very last possible hour while still hoping to pass. They won't get off well in advance to be sure to pass - instead they push the envelope as close as possible. Because even one extra day off drugs makes a difference.  :D A guy hears tren acetate via oral is detectable for 5 days. Does he get off a month out to be sure? No, he takes his last dose 5 days and 1 hour out. That's how big a difference the drugs make.  :D
'Don't try,' indeed!    :D

/you're really twisting buk's sentiment, tho   


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: lax on July 20, 2009, 04:53:40 AM

you don't feel that it's amazing that a guy who was a professional bodybuilder, and was convicted of murder was also found to be a middle man in the distribution of steroids to some of baseball's biggest stars?..good story if you ask me

certainly

but not amazing

he's a dirtbag so it figures


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Nizar on July 20, 2009, 06:19:38 AM

Those afterparties he hosted must have been a place to be for buyer and sellers alike


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: DK II on July 20, 2009, 06:23:56 AM
Those afterparties he hosted must have been a place to be for buyer and sellers alike

whow, are you a private investigator or from the CIA??

your knowledge about criminals is amazing.  ::) ::)


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Spike on July 20, 2009, 06:35:23 AM


NOBODY CARES

BB isn't high enough on the radar to be a concern...baseball is, football is, track is....

As for your misinformation on not being able to stay away from drugs for a few weeks... certain drugs stay in the sstem for a looong time

NOBODY cares about bodybuilding - they have OLYMPIA cause BBin will NEVER be in the OLYMPICS = where any real athlete makes $$$$

ONLY reason for pro's now a days is to sell supplements - no pro lives a rich life just off competition - the reason you juice your gills out and compete year after year is to get your name out there and for what???  to sell some magazines and supplements...maybe make a few thousand, MAYBE

then what....I bet BOB has got some fat 401K from weider or scitech or whatever bullshit company he says he works for -- he doesnt - he might bullshit and say he has some portfolio but he doesnt

bodybuilding as a 'professional' has gotten him closer to losing his health insurance if he even has any and no retirement in this 'sport'.............a top athlete signs endorsements to make real money....hell even bud light pays lesner.......what fckn company besides some shit supplement company or gay magazine would endorse a pro bodybuilder WITH MONEY YOU CAN ACTUALLY LIVE OFF OF.....NOT some fast $5000 from EAS for a 'shoot'

pro bb'ers (the middle teir and below) will ALWAYS be prey to the GAY community and schmoes cause that is the ONLY way they will gain an audience and make money........

SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE SHAFT - to make you pockets bigger and buy you AAS

oh yea......if you take deca you can get 'effects for weeks at a time' ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: DK II on July 20, 2009, 06:36:51 AM
NOBODY cares about bodybuilding - they have OLYMPIA cause BBin will NEVER be in the OLYMPICS

ONLY reason for pro's now a days is to sell supplements - no pro lives a rich life just off competition - the reason you juice your gills out and compete year after year is to get your name out there and for what???  to sell some magazines and supplements...maybe make a few thousand, MAYBE

then what....I bet BOB has got some fat 401K from weider or scitech or whatever bullshit company he says he works for -- he doesnt - he might bullshit and say he has some portfolio but he doesnt

bodybuilding as a 'professional' has gotten him closer to losing his health insurance if he even has any and no retirement in this 'sport'.............a top athlete signs endorsements to make real money....hell even bid light pays lesner.......what fckn company besides some shit supplement company or gay magazine would endorse a pro bodybuilder WITH MONEY YOU CAN ACTUALLY LIVE OFF OF.....NOT some fast $5000 from EAS for a 'shoot'

pro bb'ers (the middle teir and below) will ALWAYS be prey to the GAY community and schmoes cause that is the ONLY way they will gain an audience and make money........

SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE SHAFT - to make you pockets bigger and buy you AAS

oh yea......if you take deca you can get 'effects for weeks at a time' ::) ::) ::)

Spikey, be careful with your heart.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Meso_z on July 20, 2009, 06:40:23 AM
NOBODY cares about bodybuilding - they have OLYMPIA cause BBin will NEVER be in the OLYMPICS = where any real athlete makes $$$$

ONLY reason for pro's now a days is to sell supplements - no pro lives a rich life just off competition - the reason you juice your gills out and compete year after year is to get your name out there and for what???  to sell some magazines and supplements...maybe make a few thousand, MAYBE

then what....I bet BOB has got some fat 401K from weider or scitech or whatever bullshit company he says he works for -- he doesnt - he might bullshit and say he has some portfolio but he doesnt

bodybuilding as a 'professional' has gotten him closer to losing his health insurance if he even has any and no retirement in this 'sport'.............a top athlete signs endorsements to make real money....hell even bud light pays lesner.......what fckn company besides some shit supplement company or gay magazine would endorse a pro bodybuilder WITH MONEY YOU CAN ACTUALLY LIVE OFF OF.....NOT some fast $5000 from EAS for a 'shoot'

pro bb'ers (the middle teir and below) will ALWAYS be prey to the GAY community and schmoes cause that is the ONLY way they will gain an audience and make money........

SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE SHAFT - to make you pockets bigger and buy you AAS

oh yea......if you take deca you can get 'effects for weeks at a time' ::) ::) ::)

calm down and get the fuck out of the board, you hate bbing yet you stay here. dont you have any dignity?


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: noworries on July 20, 2009, 06:50:57 AM
Of course it would survive...the guys would be smaller, maybe not as ripped....but if it were cross the board and an even playing field...what difference would it make?  All relative....

Baseball has survived, so has football, etc

No the IFBB would not survive like it does today.  If so then YOU should insist on IOC type of drug testing at every event and also before the renewal of any IFBB pro card they should be cleared by a REAL and REPUTABLE physician and testing clinic.  Lie detector tests and any other test should be given to make sure to highest ability no one is taking anything.  Very hard to do but I guarantee just doing this would cut 95% of the IFBB roster.  Do you think the IFBB could survive with 95% less members and competitors.  And baseball and some other sports survive cause even though there are many who do not take roids the people who do, do NOT abuse them in a way like BB's do.  Take away the roids in baseball and other sports you still have very athletic guys who have been playing their sport since they were kids and made it to the pros most likely roid free.  Take away the roids in BB and you have a normal (sometimes less) person up on stage who lifts weights and diets.  Do you think the bodies of the BB's today are so much bigger and guys are stronger because they train and eat differently.  God I hope not.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Spike on July 20, 2009, 06:51:36 AM
calm down and get the fuck out of the board, you hate bbing yet you stay here. dont you have any dignity?

No i am a bodybuilder............. ...I dont like postion chick takes on alot of shit

he is a pompious ass......and back in the day he stepped in some shit he shouldnt had and his 'buddy' was all like 'thank god bob chick stood up for me on getbig"

fck that.....I was just trying to prove that some bodybuilder are good guys, make money, compete for the fans ---- most are guys I would hang out with and smoke a blunt

but bob chick is a fake, he only in it for gayness and faggotry, and he chummin it up in masters competitions and chimes in with bullshit every now and then

I am 260 6' - I wear bodybuilding on my shoulders everyday but I WOULD NOT want someone like bob chick as a representative for my community if I were a pro competitor - guy sucks cock is only reason he is in postion

prob gave out a few 'backstage passes' in the hotel rooms at nationals ;) ;) :-\ :-X

guy is a washed up clown who fills his pockets with cum stained $5bills


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: DK II on July 20, 2009, 06:53:46 AM
No the IFBB would not survive like it does today.  If so then YOU should insist on IOC type of drug testing at every event and also before the renewal of any IFBB pro card they should be cleared by a REAL and REPUTABLE physician and testing clinic.  Lie detector tests and any other test should be given to make sure to highest ability no one is taking anything.  Very hard to do but I guarantee just doing this would cut 95% of the IFBB roster.  Do you think the IFBB could survive with 95% less members and competitors.  And baseball and some other sports survive cause even though there are many who do not take roids the people who do, do NOT abuse them in a way like BB's do.  Take away the roids in baseball and other sports you still have very athletic guys who have been playing their sport since they were kids and made it to the pros most likely roid free.  Take away the roids in BB and you have a normal (sometimes less) person up on stage who lifts weights and diets.  Do you think the bodies of the BB's today are so much bigger and guys are stronger because they train and eat differently.  God I hope not.

chick will neglect drug abuse no matter what.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: dr.chimps on July 20, 2009, 06:56:26 AM
No i am a bodybuilder............. ...I dont like postion chick takes on alot of shit

he is a pompious ass......and back in the day he stepped in some shit he shouldnt had and his 'buddy' was all like 'thank god bob chick stood up for me on getbig"

fck that.....I was just trying to prove that some bodybuilder are good guys, make money, compete for the fans ---- most are guys I would hang out with and smoke a blunt

but bob chick is a fake, he only in it for gayness and faggotry, and he chummin it up in masters competitions and chimes in with bullshit every now and then

I am 260 6' - I wear bodybuilding on my shoulders everyday but I WOULD NOT want someone like bob chick as a representative for my community

guy is a washed up clown who fills his pockets with cum stained $5bills
'Oh wait... was she a great big fat person?'   ;D


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Spike on July 20, 2009, 06:59:46 AM
'Oh wait... was she a great big fat person?'   ;D

I'd fck me :-*


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: dr.chimps on July 20, 2009, 07:01:58 AM
I'd fck me :-*
LOL.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 20, 2009, 02:16:44 PM
NOBODY cares about bodybuilding - they have OLYMPIA cause BBin will NEVER be in the OLYMPICS = where any real athlete makes $$$$

ONLY reason for pro's now a days is to sell supplements - no pro lives a rich life just off competition - the reason you juice your gills out and compete year after year is to get your name out there and for what???  to sell some magazines and supplements...maybe make a few thousand, MAYBE

then what....I bet BOB has got some fat 401K from weider or scitech or whatever bullshit company he says he works for -- he doesnt - he might bullshit and say he has some portfolio but he doesnt

bodybuilding as a 'professional' has gotten him closer to losing his health insurance if he even has any and no retirement in this 'sport'.............a top athlete signs endorsements to make real money....hell even bud light pays lesner.......what fckn company besides some shit supplement company or gay magazine would endorse a pro bodybuilder WITH MONEY YOU CAN ACTUALLY LIVE OFF OF.....NOT some fast $5000 from EAS for a 'shoot'

pro bb'ers (the middle teir and below) will ALWAYS be prey to the GAY community and schmoes cause that is the ONLY way they will gain an audience and make money........

SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE SHAFT - to make you pockets bigger and buy you AAS

oh yea......if you take deca you can get 'effects for weeks at a time' ::) ::) ::)

Plenty of athletes make next to nothing off the Olympics...do a little research before making a bigger fool of yourself

As for contracts...LOL...you're as clueless as Basile


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Spike on July 20, 2009, 04:29:06 PM
Plenty of athletes make next to nothing off the Olympics...do a little research before making a bigger fool of yourself

As for contracts...LOL...you're as clueless as Basile

make, maybe, MAYBE --- BUT THEY GET PAID TO BE ATHLETES/COMPETE/TRAIN YEAR ROUND

All U.S. athletes can earn a “medal bonus” from the U.S. Olympic committee for each medal won.
The U.S. pays American medal winners
$25,000 for gold,
$15,000 for silver,
$10,000 for bronze medals.

Russia
$100,000 for gold,
$60,000 for silver,
 $40,000 for bronze.

PLUS the CORPORATE sponsorships that pay for everything including food, travel, hotel, clothes, training, YEAR ROUND --

what bodybuilders are set up like that without gayness or faggotry involved??? which was my point ::)



man you dodge gay bullets like your morphenis-master of the faggotry matrix


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Sir Humphrey on July 20, 2009, 04:33:26 PM

what bodybuilders are set up like that without gayness or faggotry involved??? which was my point ::)


Get a good-paying job and pay for your food, gym membership, hormones, travel, and hotels yourself then.  :P


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 20, 2009, 04:34:12 PM
make, maybe, MAYBE --- BUT THEY GET PAID TO BE ATHLETES/COMPETE/TRAIN YEAR ROUND

All U.S. athletes can earn a “medal bonus” from the U.S. Olympic committee for each medal won.
The U.S. pays American medal winners
$25,000 for gold,
$15,000 for silver,
$10,000 for bronze medals.

Russia
$100,000 for gold,
$60,000 for silver,
 $40,000 for bronze.

PLUS the CORPORATE sponsorships that pay for everything including food, travel, hotel, clothes, training, YEAR ROUND --

what bodybuilders are set up like that without gayness or faggotry involved??? which was my point ::)



man you dodge gay bullets like your morphenis-master of the faggotry matrix

There is no need to "dodge" anything...you're talking out of your ass

Any decent suplement contract pays all of those things mentioned, and some of the top guys have contracts in the upper 6 figures....

You sure do like to bring up gayness and faggotry a lot


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Spike on July 20, 2009, 04:39:17 PM
There is no need to "dodge" anything...you're talking out of your ass

Any decent suplement contract pays all of those things mentioned, and some of the top guys have contracts in the upper 6 figures....

You sure do like to bring up gayness and faggotry a lot

haha.....I'll pipe it down diesel

can you give an example ( no need to name names) of a typical top pro contract/endorsement

contract is signed: what are the perks?
say over a peroid of 6months:
travel allowance
food allowance
clothes
supplements
?

is $$ given up front? or is it like a weekly/monthly deal?  if it is as you say, throw some numbers out


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: regmac on July 20, 2009, 04:42:49 PM
Well, they never did solve that Jimmy Hoffa thing, did they? ;D
I think he's also invoilved in the unsolved "who killed Biggy and Tupac" scandals also.    Add Jon Bene Ramsey!!!!


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 20, 2009, 04:48:14 PM
haha.....I'll pipe it down diesel

can you give an example ( no need to name names) of a typical top pro contract/endorsement

contract is signed: what are the perks?
say over a peroid of 6months:
travel allowance
food allowance
clothes
supplements
?

is $$ given up front? or is it like a weekly/monthly deal?  if it is as you say, throw some numbers out

There are no 6 month contracts...yearly, or multiyear

Here is one of the top guys:

$600K Yr. 4 year deal

%cut of a certain line of products

Travel, food, supps, clothes paid, first class travel only

Additional money by guest appearances (5K per) all expenses paid, DVD sales, clothing line,  pics, etc

Additional contracts with major magazine (100K), numerous industry related companies


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Method101 on July 20, 2009, 04:55:09 PM
There are no 6 month contracts...yearly, or multiyear

Here is one of the top guys:

$600K Yr. 4 year deal

%cut of a certain line of products

Travel, food, supps, clothes paid, first class travel only

Additional money by guest appearances (5K per) all expenses paid, DVD sales, clothing line,  pics, etc

Additional contracts with major magazine (100K), numerous industry related companies
That's the top 5 at the olympia. No others get that, otherwise why would so many resport to G4P.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 20, 2009, 04:56:21 PM
That's the top 5 at the olympia. No others get that, otherwise why would so many resport to G4P.

Who are you referring to?


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 20, 2009, 05:24:56 PM
'Don't try,' indeed!    :D

/you're really twisting buk's sentiment, tho   

Please explain, I lost you here. How am I twisting it?


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 20, 2009, 05:37:15 PM
No the IFBB would not survive like it does today.  If so then YOU should insist on IOC type of drug testing at every event and also before the renewal of any IFBB pro card they should be cleared by a REAL and REPUTABLE physician and testing clinic.  Lie detector tests and any other test should be given to make sure to highest ability no one is taking anything.  Very hard to do but I guarantee just doing this would cut 95% of the IFBB roster.  Do you think the IFBB could survive with 95% less members and competitors.  And baseball and some other sports survive cause even though there are many who do not take roids the people who do, do NOT abuse them in a way like BB's do.  Take away the roids in baseball and other sports you still have very athletic guys who have been playing their sport since they were kids and made it to the pros most likely roid free.  Take away the roids in BB and you have a normal (sometimes less) person up on stage who lifts weights and diets.  Do you think the bodies of the BB's today are so much bigger and guys are stronger because they train and eat differently.  God I hope not.

The question is doesn't Chick realize all this or is he just playing stupid.

There is no bodybuilding, as we know it, without drugs. Sports like baseball would survive like you say. The Weider's desperately wanted bb in the Olympics or at least recognized somewhat. Legitimate year round drug testing would have helped their cause no doubt. But, here's the problem: reduce the drug use drastically and there is no bodybuilding. It's dead. So it was a problem that couldn't be solved.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 20, 2009, 06:11:28 PM
make, maybe, MAYBE --- BUT THEY GET PAID TO BE ATHLETES/COMPETE/TRAIN YEAR ROUND

All U.S. athletes can earn a “medal bonus” from the U.S. Olympic committee for each medal won.
The U.S. pays American medal winners
$25,000 for gold,
$15,000 for silver,
$10,000 for bronze medals.

Russia
$100,000 for gold,
$60,000 for silver,
 $40,000 for bronze.

PLUS the CORPORATE sponsorships that pay for everything including food, travel, hotel, clothes, training, YEAR ROUND --

what bodybuilders are set up like that without gayness or faggotry involved??? which was my point ::)



man you dodge gay bullets like your morphenis-master of the faggotry matrix


Jesus.......this is so goddamn funny!!!..LMAO...the faggotry matrix......


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 20, 2009, 06:13:30 PM
There is no need to "dodge" anything...you're talking out of your ass

Any decent suplement contract pays all of those things mentioned, and some of the top guys have contracts in the upper 6 figures....

You sure do like to bring up gayness and faggotry a lot


Touche' Bob  :)


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 20, 2009, 06:14:46 PM
I think he's also invoilved in the unsolved "who killed Biggy and Tupac" scandals also.    Add Jon Bene Ramsey!!!!



Nice one! :)


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Spike on July 20, 2009, 07:48:39 PM
There are no 6 month contracts...yearly, or multiyear

Here is one of the top guys:

$600K Yr. 4 year deal

%cut of a certain line of products

Travel, food, supps, clothes paid, first class travel only

Additional money by guest appearances (5K per) all expenses paid, DVD sales, clothing line,  pics, etc

Additional contracts with major magazine (100K), numerous industry related companies

I stand corrected ;)


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: shiftedShapes on July 20, 2009, 09:32:04 PM


Travel, food, supps, clothes paid, first class travel only


I never really thought about it before but I guess for a pro, first class travel is much closer to being a necessity, what's it like flying coach at 250 lbs?


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: alnassak on July 20, 2009, 11:27:44 PM
Sorry Chick but, you have to admit that ALL competitive Bodybuilding depends 99.9% on drugs use.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Mars on July 20, 2009, 11:47:38 PM
offcourse, thats what is making them break out from the natural human physique boundaries


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 21, 2009, 06:34:40 AM
The question is doesn't Chick realize all this or is he just playing stupid.

There is no bodybuilding, as we know it, without drugs. Sports like baseball would survive like you say. The Weider's desperately wanted bb in the Olympics or at least recognized somewhat. Legitimate year round drug testing would have helped their cause no doubt. But, here's the problem: reduce the drug use drastically and there is no bodybuilding. It's dead. So it was a problem that couldn't be solved.

There is no baseball "as you know it", without drugs....no football "as you know it" without drugs...and on and on...

Drugs had no bearing on the Olympic push...judging and lack of criteria did. If there is a test, then yu have to pass it...plain and simple. Just like every other Olympic sport.

Stop posting like you know what you're talking about



Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: JOCKTHEGLIDE on July 21, 2009, 06:39:02 AM
There is no need to "dodge" anything...you're talking out of your ass

Any decent suplement contract pays all of those things mentioned, and some of the top guys have contracts in the upper 6 figures....

You sure do like to bring up gayness and faggotry a lot

CHICK,,THIS FELLA WANTS TO BRING OTHER GAYS OUT SO HE KNOWS DEEP DOWN INSIDE ITS OK FOR HIM TO BE COME OUT ALSO,,


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Meso_z on July 21, 2009, 06:55:30 AM
Sorry Chick but, you have to admit that ALL competitive Bodybuilding depends 99.9% on drugs use.

yes having shitty genetics makes you blame roids.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 21, 2009, 06:58:26 AM
CHICK,,THIS FELLA WANTS TO BRING OTHER GAYS OUT SO HE KNOWS DEEP DOWN INSIDE ITS OK FOR HIM TO BE COME OUT ALSO,,

LOL....quite obvious


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Mars on July 21, 2009, 07:19:51 AM
lol when craig comes out he can go in again.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 21, 2009, 07:46:52 AM
There is no baseball "as you know it", without drugs....no football "as you know it" without drugs...and on and on...

Drugs had no bearing on the Olympic push...judging and lack of criteria did. If there is a test, then yu have to pass it...plain and simple. Just like every other Olympic sport.

Stop posting like you know what you're talking about



It's absolutely ridiculous that you maintain that those sports have just as much drug use as bodybuilding. To compete successfully in the bodybuilding teen nationals requires drugs, often quite heavy use too. I don't know what kind of leagues talented kids playing baseball play in but are they just as likely to feel the need to do elaborate cycles of all kinds of different drugs just to have a shot in doing well? I really doubt it. Have the best teens playing baseball pee in a cup and then have the best NPC teen bodybuilders do the same - same percentage of positives in both sports?

Say you have a 16 year old son and he comes home from the gym one day and says a former pro bb has taken him under his wing and says with his help he has a shot at the teen nationals title. Any dad who knows the sport is going to think, "who the hell is this bb - stay the fuck away from my kid!" :D Same kid is playing baseball and doing well and you'd have the same worry as to what he will feel is required to play the sport successfully? The recent teen winner lived with Eric Fromm -  certainly a nightmare scenario if it was my kid.

Bodybuilding = drug use isn't mostly in the pros and isn't just in the off-season before the in-season drug testing starts but is there from the start.

I don't follow baseball and am not in the US but isn't there now lots of drug testing after all the scandals? I suspect the sport will live on (won't be completely clean of course, like any sport, but state-of-the-art drug testing does curtail use a great deal). Try the same in bodybuilding and let's see what happens.  :D

 



Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: The_Punisher on July 21, 2009, 08:02:45 AM
They're integral to virtually ALL sports...they aren't "essential" either, they're taken by choice...just as they are in football, baseball and pretty much every other sport on the planet


football, baseball, basketball, hockey, they can all exist without the Juices. but don't tell me Pro bodybuilding  is in that category.....puhleeeeze. ....




Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: ManBearPig... on July 21, 2009, 08:07:34 AM
all sports require weightlifting.

so does bodybuilding.

but in bodybuilding, the other crucial aspects such as talent, athleticism, speed, strength, etc. are substituted by dosage.

so bodybuilding = weightlifting + drugs
    other sports = weightlifting + skill + talent, etc.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: dr.chimps on July 21, 2009, 09:06:16 AM

football, baseball, basketball, hockey, they can all exist without the Juices. but don't tell me Pro bodybuilding  is in that category.....puhleeeeze. ....
'Course it isn't. That's why the IOC would laugh at any of the Weiders attempts to have BB'ing made an Olympic sport. Just beggars credulity.   


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: The_Punisher on July 21, 2009, 09:12:47 AM
'Course it isn't. That's why the IOC would laugh at any of the Weiders attempts to have BB'ing made an Olympic sport. Just beggars credulity.   



where did the IFBB get this stupid idea that the IOC would allow a drug infested "sport" called Pro-Bodybuilding be allowed to compete. what where they thinking for Christ' sake.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: dr.chimps on July 21, 2009, 09:17:32 AM


where did the IFBB get this stupid idea that the IOC would allow a drug infested "sport" called Pro-Bodybuilding be allowed to compete. what where they thinking for Christ' sake.
Well, Ben and Joe were always looking for some sort of legitimacy for their 'sport' when in reality it has more red lights than Amsterdam. The IOC never seriously entertained the thought of making it an event. What a joke.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Sir Humphrey on July 21, 2009, 09:20:10 AM
I dispute the whole notion of drug-tested any way. Why is it so stigmatized to take hormones to circumvent the limits that evolution has put on humans' ability to build muscle?

Bodybuilding is about nutrition + hormones + training. Just as bodybuilders have no qualms about telling what they eat and how they train, they should have no qualms about telling what their hormone use is like, in an ideal (witch hunt-free) world.  :P


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: chainsaw on July 21, 2009, 12:05:22 PM
As wholesome as baseball, apparently

Welcome to reality

Great Come back Chick


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: wild willie on July 21, 2009, 12:14:03 PM
what is with all the gay 4 pay bull shit around here????

there seems to be a few people hung up on it???

you guys know who you are!!!

you guys constantly fuck with chick......why don't you plan on showing up in person and talking the same shit......


you fucks would likely shit your drowers......


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 21, 2009, 01:35:36 PM

football, baseball, basketball, hockey, they can all exist without the Juices. but don't tell me Pro bodybuilding  is in that category.....puhleeeeze. ....





Gotta agree with this Chick....I know you are trying hard to be loyal to bodybuilding because it's your job and because you truly love the sport, and we love it as well, but you just can't compare bodybuilding with other major sports...in terms of drug usage for the purpose of being successful within said sport..

Bodybuilding seems to depend on illegal drug use which means all profesional bodybuilders are felons in a sense...and I admit I and everyone on here as well are hypocrites because we buy the mags and critique the bods and follow the contests and also hero-worship these guys..... knowing full well the athletes are using illegal substances often obtained illegally

I wish I could believe you Chick..I just don't see how bodybuilding would stand a chance of survival without the drugs....


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 21, 2009, 01:39:28 PM

Gotta agree with this Chick....I know you are trying hard to be loyal to bodybuilding because it's your job and because you truly love the sport, and we love it as well, but you just can't compare bodybuilding with other major sports...in terms of drug usage for the purpose of being successful within said sport..

Bodybuilding seems to depend on illegal drug use which means all profesional bodybuilders are felons in a sense...and I admit I and everyone on here as well are hypocrites because we buy the mags and critique the bods and follow the contests and also hero-worship these guys..... knowing full well the athletes are using illegal substances often obtained illegally

I wish I could believe you Chick..I just don't see how bodybuilding would stand a chance of survival without the drugs....


So what you believe, is if the bodybuilders are 240 instead of 260, then BB doesn't survive? 

BB survives now, even with your assessment of guys being "felons", using gear, illegal usage, etc...

But if everyone is clean, no illegal activity, no gear, etc....it fails??



Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: emn1964 on July 21, 2009, 01:44:26 PM

So what you believe, is if the bodybuilders are 240 instead of 260, then BB doesn't survive? 

BB survives now, even with your assessment of guys being "felons", using gear, illegal usage, etc...

But if everyone is clean, no illegal activity, no gear, etc....it fails??



Chick-you've said, in an exchange between you and I, that without the drugs, there would be no pro bb'ing.  people would not pay to see the competitors and supp companies would not hire the contestants for endorsements.  you said that dude.  of course, i'm wayyyyy too fucking lazy to search the board to pull up those quotes.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 21, 2009, 01:45:28 PM
I dispute the whole notion of drug-tested any way. Why is it so stigmatized to take hormones to circumvent the limits that evolution has put on humans' ability to build muscle?

Bodybuilding is about nutrition + hormones + training. Just as bodybuilders have no qualms about telling what they eat and how they train, they should have no qualms about telling what their hormone use is like, in an ideal (witch hunt-free) world.  :P


you make a good point that it's kinda great to use drugs for the purpose of circumventing the limits placed on our bodies by nature...I kinda support that....that's why I buy the mags and follow the sport....

the problem is that steroids DO have harmful effects on the body if the athlete isn't careful and isn't monitored....the IFBB guys are pretty careful about this and have doctors monitoring them, but even many of them still wind up with severe health problems with high blood pressure, liver, kidney and heart problems....what about the ordinary joe or the many pro wrestlers, who have been dropping dead in their prime 20's and 30's?...steroids may not be the sole cause of this but there is a HUGE correlation


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 21, 2009, 01:50:14 PM

you make a good point that it's kinda great to use drugs for the purpose of circumventing the limits placed on our bodies by nature...I kinda support that....that's why I buy the mags and follow the sport....

the problem is that steroids DO have harmful effects on the body if the athlete isn't careful and isn't monitored....the IFBB guys are pretty careful about this and have doctors monitoring them, but even many of them still wind up with severe health problems with high blood pressure, liver, kidney and heart problems....what about the ordinary joe or the many pro wrestlers, who have been dropping dead in their prime 20's and 30's?

Wrestling is a whole different world...the causualties within the wrestling community is staggering...and the reasons are far and wide from BB....recreational drugs, pain killers, scheduling/ travel, the nature of the business itself...all lead to an increased risk in pro wrestling.

BB has had their fair share of deaths, injuries, etc...but nowhere near wrestling and most likely very similiar to other sports


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: The_Punisher on July 21, 2009, 01:51:29 PM
How Great that would be if Pro Bodybuilding completely eliminate the use of Anabolics, but then, we would have a Natural Bodybuilding contest and who wants to see natural guys.......hahahhahahaha hahahaha


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: emn1964 on July 21, 2009, 01:51:58 PM

you make a good point that it's kinda great to use drugs for the purpose of circumventing the limits placed on our bodies by nature...I kinda support that....that's why I buy the mags and follow the sport....

the problem is that steroids DO have harmful effects on the body if the athlete isn't careful and isn't monitored....the IFBB guys are pretty careful about this and have doctors monitoring them, but even many of them still wind up with severe health problems with high blood pressure, liver, kidney and heart problems....what about the ordinary joe or the many pro wrestlers, who have been dropping dead in their prime 20's and 30's?...steroids may not be the sole cause of this but there is a HUGE correlation


Huh?


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 21, 2009, 01:58:20 PM

So what you believe, is if the bodybuilders are 240 instead of 260, then BB doesn't survive? 

BB survives now, even with your assessment of guys being "felons", using gear, illegal usage, etc...

But if everyone is clean, no illegal activity, no gear, etc....it fails??



Chick it's my opinion, that gear is not just good for an extra 20 lbs as you say it is....If a professional bodybuilder totally stopped using gear forever but still maintained his workouts..he's not going to go from 260 down to 240 as you assert....the falloff will be much bigger than that...maybe from 260 to 180, 190.......

look at Kevin Levrone...

however, I respect that you are the professional and I am not...if what I assert is not true please correct and give an example


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Chick on July 21, 2009, 02:02:44 PM
Chick it's my opinion, that gear is not just good for an extra 20 lbs as you say it is....If a professional bodybuilder totally stopped using gear forever but still maintained his workouts..he's not going to go from 260 down to 240 as you assert....the falloff will be much bigger than that...maybe from 260 to 180, 190.......

look at Kevin Levrone...

however, I respect that you are the professional and I am not...if what I assert is not true please correct and give an example

Yeah...look at Kevin:  A world class BB who retired from competition, trimmed himself down for acting, etc...and didn't take drugs....or train with weights...or eat like a BB.

Muscle doesn't just magically stay there without training....I dont care who you are. 

Take a good look at any ex NFL player...they dont look like they did while playing, either...


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: The_Punisher on July 21, 2009, 02:07:03 PM
Chick it's my opinion, that gear is not just good for an extra 20 lbs as you say it is....If a professional bodybuilder totally stopped using gear forever but still maintained his workouts..he's not going to go from 260 down to 240 as you assert....the falloff will be much bigger than that...maybe from 260 to 180, 190.......

look at Kevin Levrone...

however, I respect that you are the professional and I am not...if what I assert is not true please correct and give an example



you can't defend anything that's true. Pro-bodybuilding will always remain what it is. the public's perception is narrowing


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 21, 2009, 02:12:56 PM
A 240lb bodybuilder without drugs? LMAO. That's more than Arnold in his prime.

Take look at this. This is just a few months off drugs (who knows, maybe he didn't even drop everything) WHO CONTINUED TO TRAIN AND EAT. Drugs were barely out of his system and this is what you get. At the 1990 Olympia Haney was down 20lbs and at that time you could run orals to only a couple of weeks out and still pass. Remember the WBF? Remember how Mike Quinn looked? Dude was busted by the host hotel with growth hormone in the fridge and he still looked like that.

A bodybuilder totally off is a sad sight and most wouldn't subject themselves to the humiliation.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: The_Punisher on July 21, 2009, 02:16:35 PM
A 240lb bodybuilder without drugs? LMAO. That's more than Arnold in his prime.

Take look at this. This is just a few months off drugs (who knows, maybe he didn't even drop everything) WHO CONTINUED TO TRAIN AND EAT. Drugs were barely out of his system and this is what you get. At the 1990 Olympia Haney was down 20lbs and at that time you could run orals to only a couple of weeks out and still pass. Remember the WBF? Remember how Mike Quinn looked? Dude was busted by the host hotel with growth hormone in the fridge and he still looked like that.

A bodybuilder totally off is a sad sight and most wouldn't subject themselves to the humiliation.



lol........true. at least they keep up with the psychological effect


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: wild willie on July 22, 2009, 09:12:56 AM
in my humble opinion......

regarding bodybuilding....

the guys who have good genes will still look sensational without steroid enhancement.....

concerning baseball and football......take streroids out of the equation and you still need to be agile and athletic......so you can't just be some swinging dick out there with no ability.

not just anyone can be a professional bodybuilder......i know some of you think it is all about drugs.....but it is still up to genetics and consistent training.


mike morris is a perfect example of this......he was huge but was not very aesthetic.....big wheels but never brought his upper body up to match those fantastic legs. flex wheeler off drugs versus mike morris off drugs..... flex wins because of superior shape and balance.


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: uberman09 on July 22, 2009, 09:43:16 AM
Actually, the demand for guru's would increase significantly without the gear...


Title: Re: UNBELIEVABLE! CRAIG TITUS LINKED TO MLB STEROIDS SCANDAL
Post by: andreisdaman on July 23, 2009, 05:47:22 AM
in my humble opinion......

regarding bodybuilding....

the guys who have good genes will still look sensational without steroid enhancement.....

concerning baseball and football......take streroids out of the equation and you still need to be agile and athletic......so you can't just be some swinging dick out there with no ability.

not just anyone can be a professional bodybuilder......i know some of you think it is all about drugs.....but it is still up to genetics and consistent training.


mike morris is a perfect example of this......he was huge but was not very aesthetic.....big wheels but never brought his upper body up to match those fantastic legs. flex wheeler off drugs versus mike morris off drugs..... flex wins because of superior shape and balance.


you tried to make a good point but I think your opinion is opposite of what it should be.....

yes the guys with good genetics will still look good but in an ordinary way....like when you walk down the street and see a big mofo you may say to yourself "wow what a big guy..he looks good"..but he's just an ordinary guy without that WOW factor that drugs bring to a physique...you are not going to pay to go see shows or buy mags to see the same guys you see in everyday life....why bother??..if that were the case we would all be over on the Men's Health board instead of here...

and football and baseball players can survive without gear and still be pretty good.....because the talent was there to begin with....they were always agile and athletic to begin with..guys like A-Rod are still at the top of their profession without steroids....