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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The_Hammer on September 30, 2009, 09:11:38 PM
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Ronnie lacked the conditioning to compete with Cutler '09. Cutler was dier and bigger than Ronnie ever was.
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Ronnie dominated weak fields of bodybuilders who hadn't reached their primes or were years past their primes.
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Hulkster! DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS THREAD, IT'S A TRAP!
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Hulkster! DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS THREAD, IT'S A TRAP!
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Ronnie never beat anyone the calibre of Kai Green, Phil Heath, Dexter Jackson, or Branch Warren in their primes.
Ronnie's main competition was Cutler who was 70% of what he showed at the '09 Olympia.
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Ronnie would appear bloated and water logged if he competed in '09. The top 10 of the '09 Olympia presented better conditioning than Ronnie ever did.
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quite the little conversation you got going with yourself here
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quite the little conversation you got going with yourself here
Please talk to me
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Ronnie lacked the conditioning to compete with Cutler '09. Cutler was dier and bigger than Ronnie ever was.
How heavy was Jay? He seemed to be as big as Ronnie was, in the 2003 Mr Olympia (where he was 287).
And yes, I think a prime Ronnie and a prime Dorian would both have trouble with the 09 version of Jay. He was massive, conditioned and dry.
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How heavy was Jay? He seemed to be as big as Ronnie was, in the 2003 Mr Olympia (where he was 287).
And yes, I think a prime Ronnie and a prime Dorian would both have trouble with the 09 version of Jay. He was massive, conditioned and dry.
'03 Ronnie looked water logged compared to '09 Cutler.
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By 1999 it wasn't how much muscle Ronnie added, just what condition he was in. The change from '02 to '03 was Ronnie not dieting as hard and covering up his flaws with water/fat.
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'03 Ronnie looked water logged compared to '09 Cutler.
Yes. Ronnie showed a bit more separation, but I think Jay looks better overall. Jay had the thickness and density of Dorian while having the size of Ronnie.
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1998
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1998
Cutler would've dwarfed Ronnie '98
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ronnie owns jay at jays best sorry... thats the truth.....
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nobody can touch ronnie at his best... nobody... jay doesnt even come close.. sorry guys that just the facts
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Jay is the best there was, the best there is and the best there ever will be. 8)
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nice joke ... but not funny
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Cutler>Yates>Schwarzenegger>Coleman
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ronnie set the standard as far as bodybuilding that nobody can touch... thats the facts
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stupid thread because in 2001 a clearly off ronnie beat jay who was according to many at his best ever!..
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stupid thread because in 2001 a clearly off ronnie beat jay who was according to many at his best ever!..
but people said that was due to politics... jay looked better but ronnie won.. in honesty ronnie always looks better then jay, but that was his "bad day" .. still end of the day ronnie is better
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but people said that was due to politics...
at his best ronnies back was out of this world, he was going to make jay of 2009 or any version of jay look like shit from the rear.. ronnie’s side chest too was phenomenal at his best and much better than jay’s.. ronnie’s mm was much better because of his huge hard detailed shoulders, not like jay who even at his best his shoulders look relatively soft (big but soft).. can you name one pose jay is better than a prime Ronnie in??.. the only pose I can say here is the FLS, other than that Ronnie was better or just the same!!..
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u didnt quote my whole scentence... i said... ronnie was always better but jay caught him in a off day... quote the whole scentence in instead of editing it...
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mods please delete this thread
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mods please delete this thread
Racist post reported.
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Racist post reported.
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yes... alot of racists on the board here......
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Hammer got what he wanted ;D
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Cutler is way bigger than he was in '01
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Cutler is way bigger than he was in '01
does bigger mean better??..
in 2001 his left quad was not "clearly" oversizing his right like this year!.. also i believe his back definition was better in 2001..
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Ronnie never beat anyone the calibre of Kai Green, Phil Heath, Dexter Jackson, or Branch Warren in their primes.
Ronnie's main competition was Cutler who was 70% of what he showed at the '09 Olympia.
Dexter has looked pretty much the same for years and Ronnie beat him seven times(On the Olympia stage). Jay beat Dexter six times(On the Olympia stage). The only reason Dex beat Jay was the same reason Jay beat Ronnie; he was off.
Guys like Heath, Greene and Warren would have been destroyed by guys like Flex, Shawn Ray, Nasser, Levrone, Cormier, Cutler.... who Ronnie managed to dominate. To say that he never beat anyone of their caliber is ridiculous.
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ronnie had shredded hard glutes - jays have always been soft - very important factor in schmoeville
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it's obvious this thread is as stupid as the person who started it
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there have been a lot of insane threads at getbig and this one goes right to the top of the list
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I never liked ronnies physique that being said cutler 09 was nothing special, there are couple of shots that look insane, comic book like then the rest he looks sloppy, smooth, hardly any definition or vascularity. peak coleman beats 09 jay easily
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Jay had shredded glutes this year.
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Jay was great, but no where near the level of a 98,99,03,04,05 Ronnie. Ronnie vs. Dorian is arguable, but Jay wouldn't stand a chance against a peak Ronnie or Dorian.
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I fell into the trap :-*
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;D
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When Jay Cutler wins five more Olympia titles, then we can have this discussion. Oh, by the way, lets see how many titles Cutler wins after the age of 40. Coleman is still #1.
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When Jay Cutler wins five more Olympia titles, then we can have this discussion. Oh, by the way, lets see how many titles Cutler wins after the age of 40. Coleman is still #1.
yup. there is no comparison..
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How heavy was Jay? He seemed to be as big as Ronnie was, in the 2003 Mr Olympia (where he was 287).
And yes, I think a prime Ronnie and a prime Dorian would both have trouble with the 09 version of Jay. He was massive, conditioned and dry.
I think he was 270
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its such a domination that one bodypart that everbody seems to have an edge on in Ronnie (abs) Jay doesn't even have better abs..lol
jays abs are gone..
so, he has better calves, and loses every mandatory LOL
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By 1999 it wasn't how much muscle Ronnie added, just what condition he was in. The change from '02 to '03 was Ronnie not dieting as hard and covering up his flaws with water/fat.
This thread is hilarious. I like this guy. ;D
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I think he was 270
Thanks. Do you think the 09 version of Jay could hold his own against a peak Ronnie?
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ND probably thinks Yokozuna could beat peak ronnie.. ::)
he'll probably make a long winded post about how Yoko has 'better muscular density, bulk, dryness, balance and proportion" then quote McGough and Horton for back up as it must be true LOL
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Thanks. Do you think the 09 version of Jay could hold his own against a peak Ronnie?
peak as in 1998? 2001? he's be much bigger no doubts but Ronnie would beat him I don't think Ronnie would destroy him but I think Ronnie would beat him , a lot of people are underestimating Jay's showing this past weekend because they can't look past their own preferences , hell I write Jay off I said I think his best days were behind him he shut a lot of people up this year and he's still young and if he can maintain that type of conditioning he could keep winning maybe even more than Yates
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ND probably thinks Yokozuna could beat peak ronnie.. ::)
he'll probably make a long winded post about how Yoko has 'better muscular density, bulk, dryness, balance and proportion" then quote McGough and Horton for back up as it must be true LOL
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Peak Ronnie thinks Yates would beat Peak Ronnie ;) and Ronnie knows more about Ronnie than Hulkster ;)
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Hulkster! DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS THREAD, IT'S A TRAP!
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Ronnie lacked the conditioning to compete with Cutler '09. Cutler was dier and bigger than Ronnie ever was.
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a lot of people are underestimating Jay's showing this past weekend because they can't look past their own preferences
no, its not that they cant look past their own preferences, its that they CAN see the incredible difference in quality, shape, taper, detail and muscularity between the two.
its not even close:
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its not even close. jay may be 12 pounds heavier, but you'd never know it.
thats the difference that muscle shape and detail make..
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no, its not that they cant look past their own preferences, its that they CAN see the incredible difference in quality, shape, taper, detail and muscularity between the two.
its not even close:
I never said he wouldn't win I said he would outmuscle Ronnie at 250 pounds which is true .
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It took a peak Jay to beat an injury ridden, off peak, gut monster, 40+ year old Ronnie. Arguments could be made for Jay winning the O in 2001, but from the back Ronnie still dominated.
Peak Ronnie vs. peak Jay not even close...hence the 8 Olympias vs. 3 ;D
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its not even close. jay may be 12 pounds heavier, but you'd never know it.
thats the difference that muscle shape and detail make..
Yeah because Dex didn't have muscle shape and detail ;) stop neglecting the other criteria
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It took a peak Jay to beat an injury ridden, off peak, gut monster, 40+ year old Ronnie. Arguments could be made for Jay winning the O in 2001, but from the back Ronnie still dominated.
Peak Ronnie vs. peak Jay not even close...hence the 8 Olympias vs. 3 ;D
Ronnie would win but Jay almost beat Ronnie in 2001 in his 09 shape he would have beaten Ronnie 2001 , but at their best Ronnie wins
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Ronnie would win but Jay almost beat Ronnie in 2001 in his 09 shape he would have beaten Ronnie 2001 , but at their best Ronnie wins
09 Jay possibly could beat 2001 Ronnie. Muscle wise it would have been much closer. I still think Jay's best ever condition was after the 2001(?) Olympia gym shots. If he had brought that condition to the stage he would have easily beat Ronnie in 2001.
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Yeah because Dex didn't have muscle shape and detail ;) stop neglecting the other criteria
he still had a LONG way to go to reach a peak Ronnie in terms of shape and detail, and he had that odd taper with his hips wider than where his lats insert and long torso.. :-\
stop not understanding the criteria..
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he still had a LONG way to go to reach a peak Ronnie in terms of shape and detail, and he had that odd taper with his hips wider than where his lats insert and long torso.. :-\
stop not understanding the criteria..
That's NOT what you claimed , peak Ronnie had the shape and detail in 2001 and was beaten in the whole prejudging , so much for that ;) he was lacking density & dryness and almost lost ;D
criteria? of the part where you neglected balance & proportion , density & dryness , posing & presentation that criteria? stop cherry picking Ronnie would beat him but Jay 09 would give him a run for his money
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Ronnie lacked the conditioning to compete with Cutler '09. Cutler was dier and bigger than Ronnie ever was.
LOL ::)
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ronnie would beat jay from the back and i think that would be the deciding factor.
from the front, it would be very close - jay has the thickness, but ronnie has the shape.
ronnie's awful 4 pack and gyno ruin most front shots, except the most muscular which hides the gyno AND abs - that's why hulkster ONLY posts that pic of ronnie.
i think ronnie would win, but it would be pretty close.
ronnie never had legs like this:
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yates would beat both.
he's harder and dryer. ronnie would be giving up 10 lbs. to a more conditioned bodybuilder in dorian.
jay is heavier than a 99 or 98 ronnie, but doesnt have the conditioning - dorian does.
ronnie would overtake jay from the back, but not dorian.
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I don't want to take anything away from Jay - he dominated as illustrated by his winning with straight firsts. In addition, he had that WOW factor as soon as he took the stage...he looked cartoonish on stage.
This being said he is not on the same level as Ronnie. Ronnie had the symmetry, shape, and detail of Dexter but was much, much bigger. Bottom line is that Ronnie would look as big or bigger than Jay (without the blockiness and wide waist), and would have much better detail and shape. Further, Jay was nowhere near Ronnie in terms of conditioning and dryness in the back.
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Dorian would smoke both of them !! :o :o
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Dorian would smoke both of them !! :o :o
IMO, Dorian had an unbeatable combination of size & conditioning!
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These shots have already been posted, but they are insane. I wonder way Jay doesn't appear as detailed on stage? ???
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Is it just me, or is Ronnie getting outsized by DJ here??
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A prime Ronnie vs. A prime Cutler? ::)
It's an insult to the the 8x Mr.O!
Even in 2001 when Jay actually was at his best IMO he got demolished from the back and it was a "bad hairday" for Ronnie.
There will be no more Ronnies and Dorians. "Only" Ronnie seemed to respond to Chad's experiments.
But I have to admit that Jay looked impressive this year - well deserved victory.
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no one was at the level coleman was in his prime. in his best shape he was untouchable, even jay '09 has more weaknesses and less conditioning
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no one was at the level coleman was in his prime. in his best shape he was untouchable, even jay '09 has more weaknesses and less conditioning
yes, but clueless ND says Jay would give Ronnie a run for his money LOL
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it wouldn't even be close.
you really see how little these idiots know about the sport with threads and comments like this.. :-\
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A prime Ronnie vs. A prime Cutler?
It's an insult to the the 8x Mr.O!
Even in 2001 when Jay actually was at his best IMO he got demolished from the back and it was a "bad hairday" for Ronnie.
yup. only morons like Flowerboy and his bitches think it would be close.. ::)
but they always say that with anyone vs Ronnie so....
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IMO, Dorian had an unbeatable combination of size & conditioning!
dorian REALLY needs to stop hitting arm shots like this. its embarassing.. :-\
it would be like Ronnie running around hitting ab shots and calves shots all the time..
at least he is smart enough not to show off his weaknesses when he can..
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Gimme a break! Is there even a need for this thread? Jays upper body while large and full no lines or cuts through his chest or shoulders. Ronnie is shredded, lines everywhere and bigger too. Dorian squashes Jay like a bug also. Delete thread please
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dorian REALLY needs to stop hitting arm shots like this. its embarassing.. :-\
it would be like Ronnie running around hitting ab shots and calves shots all the time..
at least he is smart enough not to show off his weaknesses when he can..
Typical Hulkster viewing Dorian with his blind hate ::) If you don't think that shot is impressive, you're an idiot plain and simple! Dorian never had Ronnie biceps, but his arms were still huge.
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Gimme a break! Is there even a need for this thread? Jays upper body while large and full no lines or cuts through his chest or shoulders. Ronnie is shredded, lines everywhere and bigger too. Dorian squashes Jay like a bug also. Delete thread please
apparently yes, because there are morons on this board (that work with flowers lol) that think Jay would push Ronnie hard. LOL
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I don't think 09 push an "on" Ronnie at all; however, if Coleman was off, e.g. 2001/2002 (Cutler did push him in 01) then Cutler would be close.
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I don't think 09 push an "on" Ronnie at all
you and ND need to have a debate then.
he thinks jay 09 would give ronnie " a run for his money"
LOL
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I love it when ND demonstrates his lack of knowledge for all the board to see.
actually, he does it each time he posts, but his comments on this thread are setting new record of stupidity even for him 8)
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I don't want to take anything away from Jay - he dominated as illustrated by his winning with straight firsts. In addition, he had that WOW factor as soon as he took the stage...he looked cartoonish on stage.
This being said he is not on the same level as Ronnie. Ronnie had the symmetry, shape, and detail of Dexter but was much, much bigger. Bottom line is that Ronnie would look as big or bigger than Jay (without the blockiness and wide waist), and would have much better detail and shape. Further, Jay was nowhere near Ronnie in terms of conditioning and dryness in the back.
I would agree that at his best, Ronnie projected a physique bigger than his was, due to his conditioning. That said, I believe people are under a slight misapprehension with regard to Ronnie's actual comparative size. In 1998 while reputedly just under or around the 250 pound mark, he hardly out muscled the likes of a Kevin Levrone. He out conditioned him. Jay, at over 270 conditioned pounds, would look much larger than 1998 Ronnie in a variety of aspects. Ronnie would still have the edge in conditioning and overall detail, to be sure. However, I believe people discount how good Jay really is when on his game. I would lean towards Ronnie edging out a win under such a scenario, but it would be much closer than people would like to believe.
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no it wouldn't
all jay has is legs.
you need more than that to beat Ronnie Coleman, even if you do outweigh his 99 prime by about 12 pounds:
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a run for his money my ass: ::)
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:'(
a run for his money my ass: ::)
Jay is destroying Ronnie there with sheer size and thickness :o
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Maybe if Ronnie didnt do 800 pound deads, 500 pound benches and stuck to FST 7 we would not be having this discussion! ;D
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Jay is destroying Ronnie there with sheer size and thickness :o
Ronnie looks very narrow compared to Cutler.
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Ronnie looks very narrow compared to Cutler.
Hardly, it's a different pose so obviously he's going to look narrower. Jay was and probably even more so now a bit wider than Coleman was, it was evident in the RLS. But just being wider doesn't really mean shit when Coleman owns the shit out of Cutler in every other way (minus calves).
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Ronnie looks very narrow compared to Cutler.
This is 2004, where Ronnie was at his heaviest / biggest (and better than 2003). You can see how Jay is just as big in most poses.
And then consider that he was much bigger and drier and in better shape last weekend at the Olympia. I think Ronnie deserved all of his victories and even 2006, perhaps. But 2009 Mr Olympia Jay would probably be just as big as Ronnie at his biggest.
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And then consider that he was much bigger and drier and in better shape last weekend at the Olympia. I think Ronnie deserved all of his victories and even 2006, perhaps. But 2009 Mr Olympia Jay would probably be just as big as Ronnie at his biggest.
Jay said he came in in the low 260's high 250's this year IIRC.
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nice joke ... but not funny
stfu bomber boy.
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dorian REALLY needs to stop hitting arm shots like this. its embarassing.. :-\
it would be like Ronnie running around hitting ab shots and calves shots all the time..
at least he is smart enough not to show off his weaknesses when he can..
yeah because you can't see Ronnie's ' calves ' in every pose ;D
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apparently yes, because there are morons on this board (that work with flowers lol) that think Jay would push Ronnie hard. LOL
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2001 Jay pushed Ronnie to the limit and beat him in the prejudging if you don't think and even bigger Jay with improved conditioning couldn't push Ronnie 1998/1999 than it's indicative of your ignorance
That's your problem you built Ronnie up to this unbeatable machine when you look at his career he's been very beatable and I'm not even saying he would beat him just give him a run for his money but you never have been that bright
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I would agree that at his best, Ronnie projected a physique bigger than his was, due to his conditioning. That said, I believe people are under a slight misapprehension with regard to Ronnie's actual comparative size. In 1998 while reputedly just under or around the 250 pound mark, he hardly out muscled the likes of a Kevin Levrone. He out conditioned him. Jay, at over 270 conditioned pounds, would look much larger than 1998 Ronnie in a variety of aspects. Ronnie would still have the edge in conditioning and overall detail, to be sure. However, I believe people discount how good Jay really is when on his game. I would lean towards Ronnie edging out a win under such a scenario, but it would be much closer than people would like to believe.
Oh no don't say that . Ronnie at 250 pounds is the biggest ever no one could possibly be bigger lmfao he just barely beat a much lighter Flex Wheeler these guys don't think an even bigger shorter Jay would give him a run for his money , NOT BEAT him mind you just give him a handful ;D
Here is Ronnie and Kevin 1998 weighing exactly the same 249 pounds Ronnie is killing him on density but size wise? NOPE
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Jay is destroying Ronnie there with sheer size and thickness :o
NO don't say that , fan-boys get upset ;D you can't possibly say someone is beating Ronnie on size & thickness ::) despite being 5'8" and 270 pounds compared to Ronnie's 5'11" and 249 pounds
these guys like Dorian just don't like Jay's physique and can't look past their own biases and be honest with themselves Jay would certainly give Ronnie a run for his money if he's lighter no doubts about it
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I really doubt 2009 Jay would be as big as 2003 Ronnie.
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Typical Hulkster viewing Dorian with his blind hate ::) If you don't think that shot is impressive, you're an idiot plain and simple! Dorian never had Ronnie biceps, but his arms were still huge.
Hulkster knows Dorian is better that's why he tries so hard to tear him down ;D and Ronnie certainly knows he couldn't touch Yates
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I really doubt 2009 Jay would be as big as 2003 Ronnie.
in certain poses Jay of 2003 didn't get dwarfed from Ronnie 2003
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in certain poses Jay of 2003 didn't get dwarfed from Ronnie 2003
Dwarfed? No. Getting owned? Fuck yes.
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Hardly, it's a different pose so obviously he's going to look narrower. Jay was and probably even more so now a bit wider than Coleman was, it was evident in the RLS. But just being wider doesn't really mean shit when Coleman owns the shit out of Cutler in every other way (minus calves).
yup.
saying that Jay 09 would push peak Ronnie is the same has trying to argue that Paul Dillett would have done the same thing.
after all, paul was bigger and wider...and thats about the only advantage he would have.
same with Jay.
its the same, from Jay's comparatively weak back and everything..
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2001 Jay pushed Ronnie to the limit and beat him in the prejudging if you don't think and even bigger Jay with improved conditioning couldn't push Ronnie 1998/1999 than it's indicative of your ignorance
so, you whole argument rests on the fact that in 2001 Jay pushed ronnie in one of his worst ever physique presenations? ::)
and therefore 09 jay would push a peak ronnie even though a peak ronnie compared to 2001 Ronnie was like night and day? ::)
god damn your dumb.. :-\
have fun with the flowers today..
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so, you whole argument rests on the fact that in 2001 Jay pushed ronnie in one of his worst ever physique presenations? ::)
and therefore 09 jay would push a peak ronnie even though a peak ronnie compared to 2001 Ronnie was like night and day? ::)
god damn your dumb.. :-\
have fun with the flowers today..
Who said my whole argument rests on that stupid? who? please find where I said that ( you can't ) you draw your own conclusions and then respond to them how fucking idiotic are you?
peak Ronnie I said 1998/2001? I said Jay would have a clear advantage in muscular bulk , I also Ronnie would beat him dummy , I know you're stupid but try following the conversation .
One of Ronnie's worse physique presentations? that would be 06/07 where Jay beat him , 2001 he was closer to his prime showing ( which was at the ASC ) he was off but still good enough to win
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so, you whole argument rests on the fact that in 2001 Jay pushed ronnie in one of his worst ever physique presenations? ::)
and therefore 09 jay would push a peak ronnie even though a peak ronnie compared to 2001 Ronnie was like night and day? ::)
god damn your you're dumb.. :-\
have fun with the flowers today..
The irony.
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yup.
saying that Jay 09 would push peak Ronnie is the same has trying to argue that Paul Dillett would have done the same thing.
after all, paul was bigger and wider...and thats about the only advantage he would have.
same with Jay.
its the same, from Jay's comparatively weak back and everything..
Hahahahahahahahaha pwned by your own fucking hero yet again ;D
Flex June 2002
Paul Dillett ;)
Do you still dream of winning the Mr. Olympia?
I spoke with Ronnie Coleman, the reigning Mr. Olympia, about six months ago, and he admitted that I was the one bodybuilder who he thought could beat him if I was at my best. So, yes, I still' believe in my heart that I can win the Sandow.
Ronnie Coleman won the '98 Night Of Champions and that got the buzz going that he could win the Mr. O. If everything goes according to plan, could you quickly reestablish your contender status with a decisive victory in New York?
Most of the people who have a clue about this sport know that I'm the guy who got the whole "freaky size" thing going in 1993. If I'm at my best, I can still beat any bodybuilder in the world.
Including Ronnie Coleman?
Anyone is beatable.
Jay would absolutely give Ronnie 1998/1999/2001 a run for his money but I don't think he would beat him
How does it fell being constantly owned by your own hero? it's gotta suck and then add insult to injury I kick your ass yet again ;D
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The irony.
LMMFAO Hulkster the complete retard once again proving me right lol what a dummy ;D
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Dwarfed? No. Getting owned? Fuck yes.
I never said he wasn't I said he wasn't getting dwarfed which proved my point
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Ronnie lacked the conditioning to compete with Cutler '09. Cutler was dier and bigger than Ronnie ever was.
He DID in 2003 bigger MUCH BIGGER
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How heavy was Jay? He seemed to be as big as Ronnie was, in the 2003 Mr Olympia (where he was 287).
And yes, I think a prime Ronnie and a prime Dorian would both have trouble with the 09 version of Jay. He was massive, conditioned and dry.
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And yes, I think a prime Ronnie and a prime Dorian would both have trouble with the 09 version of Jay. He was massive, conditioned and dry.
and yet had an entire back about 30 levels below either of them...
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you forget this..
and jays pecs and arms are smooth as can be. not to mention the thick waist, missing abs etc.
its not even close in any sense of the word...
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and yet had an entire back about 30 levels below either of them...
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you forget this..
and jays pecs and arms are smooth as can be. not to mention the thick waist, missing abs etc.
its not even close in any sense of the word...
Destroys both of them BY FAR
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=300328.0;attach=342111;image)
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uh. no.
he destroys jay. not ronnie.
although dorian, like Jay, has nice wrinkles on his back.. :'(
part of why Ronnie is far ahead of both of them ..
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BOOOOOOOOOOOM
GAME OVER
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uh. no.
he destroys jay. not ronnie.
BY FAR he's much bigger than Ronnie 244 V 269 more complete better balanced and thicker NO CONTEST
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um. that dorian shot at 269 is not in contest shape.
the only time dorian competed at 269 was here, looking like dogshit:
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uh. no.
he destroys jay. not ronnie.
although dorian, like Jay, has nice wrinkles on his back.. :'(
part of why Ronnie is far ahead of both of them ..
Jay NO CONTEST from either in density & dryness Yates stands alone as well as balance & proportion
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um. that dorian shot at 269 is not in contest shape.
the only time dorian competed at 269 was here, looking like dogshit:
Nasser is owning these two there.
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um. that dorian shot at 269 is not in contest shape.
the only time dorian competed at 269 was here, looking like dogshit:
LMFAO he's not in contest shape let me translate he kills anything Ronnie has to offer
who cares if he didn't show up in contest like that
nice diversionary tactic to escape Yates domination
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=300328.0;attach=342111;image)
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Nasser is owning these two there.
That particular pose that particular year absolutely .
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LMFAO he's not in contest shape let me translate he kills anything Ronnie has to offer
who cares if he didn't show up in contest like that
nice diversionary tactic to escape Yates domination
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=300328.0;attach=342111;image)
Looks nearly as dry and conditioned there as Ronnie was in 98
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Looks nearly as dry and conditioned there as Ronnie was in 98
Yeah with 20 more pounds of muscle and a hell of a lot better balance & proportion , this pose kills ANYTHING Ronnie has ever show any weight any year
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=300328.0;attach=342111;image)
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I'm not saying Jay would win over them outright. In the 2004 Mr Olympia, Ronnie was at his biggest / heaviest (296 lb) and Jay still beat him in the abs n thigh pose in the challenge round. And Jay was just as big as Ronnie in the rear lat spread and front double bi. The 2009 Mr Olympia version of Jay is bigger and better than the 04 version of Jay, which is why I'm saying even a prime Ronnie wouldn't be able to beat Jay too easily.
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I'm not saying Jay would win over them outright. In the 2004 Mr Olympia, Ronnie was at his biggest / heaviest (296 lb) and Jay still beat him in the abs n thigh pose in the challenge round. And Jay was just as big as Ronnie in the rear lat spread and front double bi. The 2009 Mr Olympia version of Jay is bigger and better than the 04 version of Jay, which is why I'm saying even a prime Ronnie wouldn't be able to beat Jay too easily.
You're one of the smartest posters on this board these guys can't look past their preferences and biases to see while Jay might not beat Ronnie he would surely give him a a hell of a fight , to mention even them in the same breathe is sacrilege ::) and they're so comfortable in their ignorance they all agree with each other as it was an afterthought and the more pronounced the rejection the more correct they think they are , they say " ignorance is bliss " these guys must be in heaven
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so, you whole argument rests on the fact that in 2001 Jay pushed ronnie in one of his worst ever physique presenations? ::)
and therefore 09 jay would push a peak ronnie even though a peak ronnie compared to 2001 Ronnie was like night and day? ::)
god damn your dumb.. :-\
have fun with the flowers today..
hahahahahaha so much for your University ;)
epic backfire stupid ;D
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Nasser is owning these two there.
what else is new?
dorian was nothing special from the front..
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what else is new?
dorian was nothing special from the front..
yeah sure he wasn't because contests are judged from all angles hahahahahahahaha idiot brush up on your grammar dumb ass
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Ronnied had all those gross lines in his muscles, and his different muscle groups all looked like they were separate from each other. Jay figured out a way to keep the lines out of the muscles and develop the spaces between muscles so they all looked like one big muscle.
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yeah sure he wasn't because contests are judged from all angles hahahahahahahaha idiot brush up on your grammar dumb ass
Nice run on sentence. ::)
Corecting someones grammar on the internet is the whore of those who have nothing original to say. If you have to resort to such comments you aren't making your side of the argument any stronger.
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Nice run on sentence. ::)
Corecting someones grammar on the internet is the whore of those who have nothing original to say. If you have to resort to such comments you aren't making your side of the argument any stronger.
Correcting ;)
my argument is ironclad and I'm pointing out whilst he's questioning someone's intelligence he should make sure he spells correctly while doing or he runs the risk of looking like an idiot himself
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hulkster embarrassed and owned in virtually every post.
hahaha.
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nobody can touch ronnie at his best... nobody... jay doesnt even come close.. sorry guys that just the facts
this guy could...(http://jiveturkey.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/beer-gut.jpg)
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hulkster embarrassed and owned in virtually every post.
hahaha.
He really does get his ass kicked in every thread lol he brings up comparing Dillett to Coleman than I smack him with the quote saying Ronnie felt he's the only guy who could beat him lol then he gets his ass kicked trying to call me stupid lol
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peak coleman ever not peak coleman
lights out....
Jay no chance...
in 2002 he messed up and in 2006 he had injuries....
no bber could touch him... otherwise....
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peak coleman ever not peak coleman
lights out....
Jay no chance...
in 2002 he messed up and in 2006 he had injuries....
no bber could touch him... otherwise....
yup. its just the dorian nuthuggers that are stupid enough not to see that this is a silly thread, jay is not even close:
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yup. its just the dorian nuthuggers that are stupid enough not to see that this is a silly thread, jay is not even close:
Hahahahaha posting pics from 06 ::) said 09 and textbook stupid Hulkster post a most muscular and type the same shit ::)
Hulkster = stupid and predictable
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yup. its just the dorian nuthuggers that are stupid enough not to see that this is a silly thread, jay is not even close:
Then use a pic of Jay from 2009, chicken shit.
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Correcting ;)
my argument is ironclad and I'm pointing out whilst he's questioning someone's intelligence he should make sure he spells correctly while doing or he runs the risk of looking like an idiot himself
Only the unintelligent equate good spelling/grammar with intelligence.
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Only the unintelligent equate good spelling/grammar with intelligence.
Trying to save face for misspelling yourself? ;) so where does pointing out someone's faux pas in using a run on sentence fall? ;D
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Ronnie was just a roided mass of body parts, not pleasing to the eye at all and a huge pregnant belly, that ain't bodybuilding that belongs at a freak show. What happened to aesthetics?
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Then use a pic of Jay from 2009, chicken shit.
duh. the result is the same dummies ::).
you guys are really hitting a new low with this shit.
first its the man love for dorian, then gunter, now Jay..
you really have a thing for blocky white bodybuilders who suck compared to peak Ronnie don't you?
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LOL
Jay has no chest compared to even a 98 ronnie, and he is supposed to outweigh him by 20 pounds LOL
but, no, the nuthuggers say jay would push ronnie hard LOL
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LOL part 3543095808498654065
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Trying to save face for misspelling yourself? ;) so where does pointing out someone's faux pas in using a run on sentence fall? ;D
I don't need to save face about misspelling on a message board, I'm not writing a dissertation for fucks sake.
It falls into making a point about how stupid it is to correct grammar by making a direct example.
Not exactly difficult to figure out there chief.
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cmon nd lets be real
jay isnt even comparable to a peak or even off peak coleman he couldnt beat the guy till he tore his lat and tru and even that 2006 win is debatable becase from the front he destroyed jay ...
dont let bias blind you
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I don't need to save face about misspelling on a message board, I'm not writing a dissertation for fucks sake.
It falls into making a point about how stupid it is to correct grammar by making a direct example.
Not exactly difficult to figure out there chief.
Again it was directed at Hulkster who was trying to claim someone is ' stupid ' despite not being able to form a cognizant argument just resorting to ad hominem attacks and in the end it backfired because even with that lame attempt he failed
and I'm not worried about using run-on sentences on a message board either , but there is no excuse for poor grammar especially when he's touting his education , poor grammar is just laziness unless you're texting but then again who does that besides girls
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=59975&id=45450&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=59975&id=45442&Itemid=202)
(http://www.muscletime.com/images/stories/jay-cutler-2009-mr-olympia71.jpg)
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cmon nd lets be real
jay isnt even comparable to a peak or even off peak coleman he couldnt beat the guy till he tore his lat and tru and even that 2006 win is debatable becase from the front he destroyed jay ...
dont let bias blind you
Bias? I don't even like Cutler's physique how am I biased? I said Ronnie would beat him , did you gloss over this fact? Jay almost beat Ronnie in 2001 without any tears
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duh. the result is the same dummies ::).
you guys are really hitting a new low with this shit.
first its the man love for dorian, then gunter, now Jay..
you really have a thing for blocky white bodybuilders who suck compared to peak Ronnie don't you?
Actually, what all three of those men have in common, is defeating your hero.
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Actually, what all three of those men have in common, is defeating your hero.
lol Hulkster getting bitch slapped again ;D
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Again it was directed at Hulkster who was trying to claim someone is ' stupid ' despite not being able to form a cognizant argument just resorting to ad hominem attacks and in the end it backfired because even with that lame attempt he failed
and I'm not worried about using run-on sentences on a message board either , but there is no excuse for poor grammar especially when he's touting his education , poor grammar is just laziness unless you're texting but then again who does that besides girls
I know it was directed at him, but seriously, it just makes your side of the argument less valid when you start slinging such low brow insults which any simian can come up with and are hardly effective or even part of the point. How's that for a run on sentence? :)
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This post is as stupid as football fans swearing Barry was better than Emmott!!!!
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peak as in 1998? 2001? he's be much bigger no doubts but Ronnie would beat him I don't think Ronnie would destroy him but I think Ronnie would beat him , a lot of people are underestimating Jay's showing this past weekend because they can't look past their own preferences , hell I write Jay off I said I think his best days were behind him he shut a lot of people up this year and he's still young and if he can maintain that type of conditioning he could keep winning maybe even more than Yates
WOW, you just lost ALL credibility in my eyes. Jay is a MARSHMALLOW/FRIDGE who had "a bit" more shape to him this year and happen to beat the rest because of how poor the level of competition is nowadays. To compare him to Ronnie, or any of the greats is INSANE and defies ALL LOGIC.
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WOW, you just lost ALL credibility in my eyes. Jay is a MARSHMALLOW/FRIDGE who had "a bit" more shape to him this year and happen to beat the rest because of how poor the level of competition is nowadays. To compare him to Ronnie, or any of the greats is INSANE and defies ALL LOGIC.
Actually, he's right as usual. The quality of this year's line up was on par with that of the mid 90s
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This post is as stupid as football fans swearing Barry was better than Emmott!!!!
He was.
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Sanders was better than Smith.
Hulkster only uses sharpened pictures to try to make his point. All the '99 pictures are obviously touched up.
The Cutler pics are straight from the contest, no BS photoshop.
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WOW, you just lost ALL credibility in my eyes. Jay is a MARSHMALLOW/FRIDGE who had "a bit" more shape to him this year and happen to beat the rest because of how poor the level of competition is nowadays. To compare him to Ronnie, or any of the greats is INSANE and defies ALL LOGIC.
welcome to the bizzaro world of ND...
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Bias? I don't even like Cutler's physique how am I biased? I said Ronnie would beat him , did you gloss over this fact? Jay almost beat Ronnie in 2001 without any tears
did you gloss over the fact that you also claimed that Jay 09 would push a peak Ronnie hard?
all the much more knowledable people on this board than you are pointing out to you that he wouldn't...
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Sanders was better than Smith.
Hulkster only uses sharpened pictures to try to make his point. All the '99 pictures are obviously touched up.
The Cutler pics are straight from the contest, no BS photoshop.
hahahaha
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so, you are jumping on the guy bandwagon that all 99 shots are faked eh?
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just when you think the nuthuggers can't get any more pathetic, they always surprise you.. :-\
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The quality of this year's line up was on par with that of the mid 90s
hahahaha holy crap this thread is really exposing all the idiots tonight ::)
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hahahaha holy crap this thread is really exposing all the idiots tonight ::)
You are right here, except not in the way you think ;D
P.S: Multiple meltdowns with the same old bunch of pics and arguments about the 99 Mr Olympia, as usual.
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I wish the Dorian era was photographed with digital photography. :'(
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Oh no don't say that . Ronnie at 250 pounds is the biggest ever no one could possibly be bigger lmfao he just barely beat a much lighter Flex Wheeler these guys don't think an even bigger shorter Jay would give him a run for his money , NOT BEAT him mind you just give him a handful ;D
Here is Ronnie and Kevin 1998 weighing exactly the same 249 pounds Ronnie is killing him on density but size wise? NOPE
Kevin in 98 destroyed Ronnie Totally .. ;)
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No one can play with that.
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This is a joke thread, people.
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The general consensus is still that Ronnie is a notch above Cutler, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking that Ronnie was invincible. He had a number of close calls during his reign, even losing outright when coming in a bit off. To conclude he was untouchable would be based on personal preference and bias, rather than reality. There are aspects where Jay in his 2009 form may still be at a disadvantage, but he also carries a number of strengths that would make him a legitimate threat.
People speak of Cutler not being consistent with his conditioning. How many times did Ronnie come into the Olympia at his absolute best? I view 1998 as his best conditioning wise, with 1999 as a close second. After that his conditioning got worse and worse. So, out of all his Olympia wins, he came in at his absolute best one time. And won by 3 points.
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WOW, you just lost ALL credibility in my eyes. Jay is a MARSHMALLOW/FRIDGE who had "a bit" more shape to him this year and happen to beat the rest because of how poor the level of competition is nowadays. To compare him to Ronnie, or any of the greats is INSANE and defies ALL LOGIC.
ALL credibility is lost? lol they've been saying that for years about me , the last thing I care about is GetBig credibility. Jay's conditioning was vastly improved this year , you can make the argument about him being a marshmallow in 2006 this year his conditioning was on point. I also disagree about the competition it was a pretty deep field of good competitors was it the 1993/1995/1998? NO but a very good field indeed
I never once said Jay would beat him but the mere fact of saying he would giving him a fight is insane? nonsense , Jay facing Ronnie at 249 pounds would be a lot bigger at 270 and 2" shorter however I think that Rionnie would beat him because he would simply collect more mandatories poses , put to say Jay shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Ronnie is being naive and ridiculous , Jay of 09 would give Dorian a run for his money too but like Ronnie he would lose
Jay 09 was a LOT better than people wanna give him credit for and I don't like his physique at all and I'm in no way shape or form a fan , in fact I've said I thought his best days were well behind him but he proved me wrong and many other people
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hahahaha
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so, you are jumping on the guy bandwagon that all 99 shots are faked eh?
::)
just when you think the nuthuggers can't get any more pathetic, they always surprise you.. :-\
Hulkster always meltding down lol when you constantly post pohotoshopped pics people are gonna question you
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welcome to the bizzaro world of ND...
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Could be worse it would be the world of Hulkster where Dorian lost the 93 Olympia and Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian , and 2001 Olympia Ronnie dominated ( by losing ) where 1998 wasn't a close contest ( separated by 3 points ) where Shawn Ray beats Dorian in a front latspread and back double biceps shot , where 1999 Olympia is Ronnies best Olympia ( even though he says its 98 ) that sitting home on your PC is just as good as being live and at a show in person
I can continue to point out many , many more insane stupid statements you've made but you're the last human who should be typing anyone is in a ' bizzaro world ' you're running neck-and-neck with MattT for GetBig genius
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The general consensus is still that Ronnie is a notch above Cutler, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking that Ronnie was invincible. He had a number of close calls during his reign, even losing outright when coming in a bit off. To conclude he was untouchable would be based on personal preference and bias, rather than reality. There are aspects where Jay in his 2009 form may still be at a disadvantage, but he also carries a number of strengths that would make him a legitimate threat.
People speak of Cutler not being consistent with his conditioning. How many times did Ronnie come into the Olympia at his absolute best? I view 1998 as his best conditioning wise, with 1999 as a close second. After that his conditioning got worse and worse. So, out of all his Olympia wins, he came in at his best one time.
Great post ! it's insane that these guys are angry for even mentioning he might give Ronnie some hell lol Ronnie was very touchable his career proves it , 1998 CLOSE CONTEST regardless of what delusional nutt-huggers claim 2001 Jay outright beat him in the meat & potatoes of the contest the prejudging , 2002 Lerone beat him in both posing rounds , 2002 he lost the SOS , 2006/2007 Jay crushed him .
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I think it's real cute how you can't help but turn this into DvR. Whoever started this thread (I can't be bothered to check out) ought to get a pat on the back for a master move.
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You are right here, except not in the way you think ;D
P.S: Multiple meltdowns with the same old bunch of pics and arguments about the 99 Mr Olympia, as usual.
Exactly , Mr Meltdown begging for anyone to agree with him because he finds comfort in numbers , when he gets frustrated because he can't make any argument go on the offensive with the personal attacks , post the same 99 Olympia pics and dry ' see '
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personally i think that the jay that won this year puts him in CONTENTION with dorian and coleman...... but i am not sure if Jay is BETTER than them at their best.
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personally i think that the jay that won this year puts him in CONTENTION with dorian and coleman...... but i am not sure if Jay is BETTER than them at their best.
I am
(Sure that he is not).
He was good this year, first time I've been down with him winning. But is he amazing like Ronnie was? No way. I mean, in Ronnie's prime did you ever think he could be beaten the next year? I didn't. But that could well happen with Jay.
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This is a joke thread, people.
welcome to the bizzaro world of the nuthuggers.. ::)
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welcome to the bizzaro world of the nuthuggers.. ::)
Yeah because Jay beating Ronnie is out of the realm of possibility and he irony is I don't think anyone said he would just give him a hard time
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you just sit on your computer and wait for me to post, don't you?
it never ceases to amaze me how I can not post for 12 hours, post, and 2 seconds later you respond immediately.
what a sad person you are.. :P
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you just sit on your computer and wait for me to post, don't you?
it never ceases to amaze me how I can not post for 12 hours, post, and 2 seconds later you respond immediately.
what a sad person you are.. :P
OH boy ::) don't flatter yourself jackass I was here this morning typing on more topics than this one and refreshed the page and see your stupid posts
Hulkster all these personal attacks prove how much I own you , you're so desperate to get back at me for kicking your ass senseless you're just sinking to deeper & deeper levels of desperation , you're so desperate to TRY and prove me wrong you're sucking the balls of anyone who even disagrees with me
You're the sad person if any of us , try posting in some other topics , you're a one trick pony learn something else , brush up on your grammar ;)
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Bias? I don't even like Cutler's physique how am I biased? I said Ronnie would beat him , did you gloss over this fact? Jay almost beat Ronnie in 2001 without any tears
.....exactly jays all time best EVER against one of ronnies all time worsts
and ronnie still beat him...
so let me ask you do u think dorian at his best could beat culter 09
and better yet list the bodyparst aside from back...
that dorian beats jay on???
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Looks like Jay had an oil leak :-X
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=59975&id=45391&Itemid=202)
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Looks like Jay had an oil leak :-X
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=59975&id=45391&Itemid=202)
He had everything dialed in and looked incredible this year.
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He's not even close to Ronnie at his best (98), although I understand the purpose of this thread.
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He's not even close to Ronnie at his best (98), although I understand the purpose of this thread.
I agree with United Kingdom. :D
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He's not even close to Ronnie at his best (98), although I understand the purpose of this thread.
the purpose is to allow the usual anti ronnie posters try and spread their insiduous opinion
interesting someone should mention comparing dorian and jay on a bodypart basis, dorian would take back naturally and abs and calves but jay has him on chest, shoulders, arms and quads and hams.
cue the pro-dorian faction (you know who you are) to run to his defense.
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the purpose is to allow the usual anti ronnie posters try and spread their insiduous opinion
interesting someone should mention comparing dorian and jay on a bodypart basis, dorian would take back naturally and abs and calves but jay has him on chest, shoulders, arms and quads and hams.
cue the pro-dorian faction (you know who you are) to run to his defense.
You're such a drama queen . ' insiduous ' ( sic ) ::) give me a break. How exactly is saying Jay wouldn't beat Ronnie anti-Ronnie , please elaborate on this gem , as usual you offer up nothing and just make blanket statements
and interesting you think bodyparts means better poses NOT how it works and I said Jay 09 would give Yates a run for his money as well is this some how insidious as well?
Is Ronnie anti-Ronnie for admitting he wouldn't beat Dorian? where does your stupidity end? oh please don't speak ill of Ronnie he's a God ::) give me a fucking break
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.....exactly jays all time best EVER against one of ronnies all time worsts
and ronnie still beat him...
so let me ask you do u think dorian at his best could beat culter 09
and better yet list the bodyparst aside from back...
that dorian beats jay on???
Please understand this contests aren't won based on parts it's one on poses . and Dorian would beat Jay & Ronnie because he accumulates more poses but both would give him a run for his money
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You're such a drama queen . ' insiduous ' ( sic ) ::) give me a break. How exactly is saying Jay wouldn't beat Ronnie anti-Ronnie , please elaborate on this gem , as usual you offer up nothing and just make blanket statements
and interesting you think bodyparts means better poses NOT how it works and I said Jay 09 would give Yates a run for his money as well is this some how insidious as well?
Is Ronnie anti-Ronnie for admitting he wouldn't beat Dorian? where does your stupidity end? oh please don't speak ill of Ronnie he's a God ::) give me a fucking break
lol drama queen
always taking things to heart nd hence your impassioned response
ronnie anti-ronnie? bwahahahaha thats a new one nd
nope i'm afraid in the world of ronnie bashing you stand alone, no one comes close
and who ever said bodyparts make poses? i simply made an observation and as usual you didnt read it properly.
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Please understand this contests aren't won based on parts it's one on poses . and Dorian would beat Jay & Ronnie because he accumulates more poses but both would give him a run for his money
you sound like a politician... dancing around the question
answer the question
aside from back
what other bodypart does dorian beat jay on..?
you ask me that question about ronnie i can answer easily..
but you wont answer because you are biased.... a fan boy
i am a coleman fan but i can still look objectivly and admit when he is bearen
you cant do that with dorian
and you wont answer the question because aside from back.... dorian gets beaten all round by ajay easily
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I am a huge Jay fan and am thrilled that he was able to nail it this year. He totally dominated and deserved straight firsts. This was the most dominating win since Ronnie in 2003. However, if we were to compare Jay to Ronnie or Dorian, Jay would lose when it comes to conditioning in the back. Ronnie or Dorian would have just as much size as Jay, but much more quality in the back.
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lol drama queen
always taking things to heart nd hence your impassioned response
ronnie anti-ronnie? bwahahahaha thats a new one nd
nope i'm afraid in the world of ronnie bashing you stand alone, no one comes close
and who ever said bodyparts make poses? i simply made an observation and as usual you didnt read it properly.
Who said I took anything to heart? impassioned response? when I claim someone is insidious then you might be working with someone
ronnie anti-ronnie? bwahahahaha thats a new one nd
did I say that? I asked the question as usual you didn't read it properly
nope i'm afraid in the world of ronnie bashing you stand alone, no one comes close
I dare you to show me where I bashed Ronnie , you can't do it. instead of making base claims provide some proof for once . show me how pointing out that Ronnie would beat Jay and Jay would give him a run for his money is bashing him
and who ever said bodyparts make poses? i simply made an observation and as usual you didnt read it properly.
you mentioned bodyparts that's who , let's entertain Jay has all the bodyparts you mentioned that are better does that make for a better pose? no
You make these claims that you can never prove , you once mentioned I bash other members physiques once they post pictures , which I've never done I pushed you on that and you got real quiet , so again time to call you on more of your bullshit claims , show me where in this thread I bashed Ronnie , I dare you.
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you sound like a politician... dancing around the question
answer the question
aside from back
what other bodypart does dorian beat jay on..?
you ask me that question about ronnie i can answer easily..
but you wont answer because you are biased.... a fan boy
i am a coleman fan but i can still look objectivly and admit when he is bearen
you cant do that with dorian
and you wont answer the question because aside from back.... dorian gets beaten all round by ajay easily
You're missing the whole point , who cares about individual parts? it's poses , what poses would Jay beat Dorian in? front double biceps? side chest? Dorian would destroy him in every other single
I mentioned Jay would even give Dorian a run for his money does this not seem objective to you?
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Dorian would beat Jay , so would Ronnie
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Dorian would beat Jay , so would Ronnie
dorian looked good for like a year or two, then he looks like a pile of dog shit just like ronnie.
jt
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dorian looked good for like a year or two, then he looks like a pile of dog shit just like ronnie.
jt
Ouch that hurt :'(
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there is no comparison: and this isn't even ronnie at his best, this is his NOC win..
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Please understand this contests aren't won based on parts it's one on poses .
yes, and even dorian's best pose (the front lat) beats Jay's but loses to Ronnie:
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yes, and even dorian's best pose (the front lat) beats Jay's but loses to Ronnie:
Yeah okay does Ronnie beat Dorian in balance & proportion in the front latspread? NO he has a short torso , long legs , no calves his arms are to long for his torso , you can't even see as much lats on Ronnie as you can on Dorian , does he beat Dorian in density & dryness? NO sorry Yates stands alone in this department , does he beat Dorian in muscular bulk? NO Dorian weighs more at around the same height , does he beat Dorian in the posing & presentation NO
Where does Ronnie have an edge? more visible striations? ::) Dorian stands alone in the front latspread
This was from Flexonline on Yates' front latspread front lat spread was a devastating pose for Yates with his lats seemingly surrounding him.
Dorian is unmatched in this pose , just strictly speaking from one of the main highlights of this pose Dorian's lats are wider and have more sweep , look at the difference between how much space there is between the arms and laps and how much more lats Dorian shows , it's no contest in this pose
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How exactly is saying Jay wouldn't beat Ronnie anti-Ronnie , please elaborate on this gem
because you are also saying that "Jay 09 would push ronnie hard"
which everyone is showing you that he wouldn't..
understand now? ::)
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there is no comparison: and this isn't even ronnie at his best, this is his NOC win..
Jay has the clear advantage in muscular bulk , this is an advantage because it's conditioned mass not just soft size
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because you are also saying that "Jay 09 would push ronnie hard"
which everyone is showing you that he wouldn't..
understand now? ::)
Oh no ' everyone ' NO everyone is stupid and biased like you.. NOT one of you guys can grasp the fact I said Ronnie would beat him but stop acting like Ronnie can't be beat hell at his BEST OLYMPIA showing he almost lost to Flex Wheeler , he admitted Dillett at his best could beat him , he sure as hell admitted many times he wouldn't beat Dorian you idiots think somehow you're more right than him? and Ronnie knows more about Ronnie than you do ;)
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LOL what does ronnie saying this and that have anything to do with how Jay and Ronnie compare directly? ::)
LOL
you are an idiot.
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LOL what does ronnie saying this and that have anything to do with how Jay and Ronnie compare directly? ::)
LOL
you are an idiot.
Another point right over your head ::) again you think he's unbeatable and in fact I'm saying he wouldn't even win but he'd give him a run for his money
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Another pose complete pose that Dorian outclasses Ronnie and Jay in , despite only having a great back and calves ::)
now mind you this isn't no Hulkster slanted comparison it's from a contest Hulkster claimed his Ronnie's best ;) Dorian just trounces Ronnie and Jay in this pose
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Dorian would beat Jay , so would Ronnie
Good compare pic bro but judging by the size of Jay's head, I don't think both pics are the same scale.
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Good compare pic bro but judging by the size of Jay's head, I don't think both pics are the same scale.
I didn't scale them I found that online
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LOL what does ronnie saying this and that have anything to do with how Jay and Ronnie compare directly? ::)
LOL
you are an idiot.
i thinkflex had better tris than kevin imo
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I am a huge Jay fan and am thrilled that he was able to nail it this year. He totally dominated and deserved straight firsts. This was the most dominating win since Ronnie in 2003. However, if we were to compare Jay to Ronnie or Dorian, Jay would lose when it comes to conditioning in the back. Ronnie or Dorian would have just as much size as Jay, but much more quality in the back.
Sad, but that back pic shows that Jay's is weak from the back, yet he wins, just like his Arnold wins, I think Jay should actually be called, "The Gift"
i thinkflex had better tris than kevin imo
I agree.
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funny how a lot of people dont realise that they all just buy into the whole kvin levrone tris were the best
but
flex had the better tris overall
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funny how a lot of people dont realise that they all just buy into the whole kvin levrone tris were the best
but
flex had the better tris overall
people also fail to realize how good Ronnie's tris were:
look at this :o
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people also fail to realize how good Ronnie's tris were:
look at this :o
:-X :-X :-X
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people also fail to realize how good Ronnie's tris were:
look at this :o
You are truly fucking blind. Ronnie's tris suck there. Jeff Rodriguez has better Tri's than Ronnie
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people also fail to realize how good Ronnie's tris were:
look at this :o
good triceps god awful side triceps pose ;) and that's what matters especially compared to this guy ( no homo )
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funny how a lot of people dont realise that they all just buy into the whole kvin levrone tris were the best
but
flex had the better tris overall
Now this is something we can agree on
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Rodriguez looks pretty good in that shot above...
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good triceps god awful side triceps pose ;) and that's what matters especially compared to this guy ( no homo )
its funny how you complain about me posting a legit flex pic that is supposedly 'oversharpened' and then you post a flex pic that is one of the most blatantly oversharpened pics in the history of the net..
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its funny how you complain about me posting a legit flex pic that is supposedly 'oversharpened' and then you post a flex pic that is one of the most blatantly oversharpened pics in the history of the net..
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Hahahahahahaha says the guy who's posted more sharpened pics than everyone combined if anyone would know it's YOU ;) ( pic doesn't look overtly sharpened like your 03 MM ) and FYI the guy who sharpened it said it was regardless of where it came from
I'll post a pic I scanned from 93 it doesn't matter Ronnie's or Jay's side triceps can't touch this ;)
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Ronnie can't touch this
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why the fuck do you care about ronnie coleman so much?
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Now this is something we can agree on
yes some of the best tris ever levrone tris were big but that's it and he never had the biz to match his tris unlike flex he had amazing arms if I could choose any pros arms to have it would be his or colemans
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Now this is something we can agree on
Bold call, since by '99 Flex's tris were no longer real.
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Bold call, since by '99 Flex's tris were no longer real.
I see your 99 and raise you a 93 ;)
His triceps were always exceptional
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Ronnie can't touch this
Jumped nine pages ahead on a Ronnie vs. Jay thread KNOWING I'd see pics of Dorian. Too predictable, dude.
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i think what makes good trices is the outer head....
visually
i truly have to work on mine
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Jumped nine pages ahead on a Ronnie vs. Jay thread KNOWING I'd see pics of Dorian. Too predictable, dude.
yeah, the man love ND has for dorian is blinding.. :-\
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yeah, the man love ND has for dorian is blinding.. :-\
Same for you, guy.
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Hulkster! DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS THREAD, IT'S A TRAP!
The Ugly:
Couldn't agree more.
Whole this thread was predictable.
Either it is Nasser vs. [put a BB's name] or Dorian vs. Coleman.
The same arguments are used over and over again - yes I did click on the thread hoping it would be on-topic.
I know I don't have 1000+ posts and my opinion therefore doesn't "count" but it's getting tiresome and lame to read the same shit day after day...
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The Ugly:
Couldn't agree more.
Whole this thread was predictable.
Either it is Nasser vs. [put a BB's name] or Dorian vs. Coleman.
The same arguments are used over and over again - yes I did click on the thread hoping it would be on-topic.
I know I don't have 1000+ posts and my opinion therefore doesn't "count" but it's getting tiresome and lame to read the same shit day after day...
It's become a calling for these two. It will be etched on headstones. Grandkids will tell grandkids how ardently their devoted ancestor supported Dorian/Ronnie on a message board. There will be song, dance, and celebratory feasts.
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It's become a calling for these two. It will be etched on headstones. Grandkids will tell grandkids how ardently their devoted ancestor supported Dorian/Ronnie on a message board. There will be song, dance, and celebratory feasts.
celebratory feasts
;D
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good triceps god awful side triceps pose ;) and that's what matters especially compared to this guy ( no homo )
That's one of the most considered things I've heard you say. i could feasibly get on board with that comment. I still feal that from many angles, especially front double bi, that Ronnie's were superior to Dorians in size and detail. But Dorian did have a great size tri and Ronnie's was not his strongest pose.
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It's become a calling for these two. It will be etched on headstones. Grandkids will tell grandkids how ardently their devoted ancestor supported Dorian/Ronnie on a message board. There will be song, dance, and celebratory feasts.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! ;D
(It's has gone too far..)
It wouldn't surprise me at all..hahahaha!!!!
"Back in the days when I was a ...I owned ppl on GetBig...todays BB:s are..BLA BLA BLA Dorian/Ronnie were...Bla bla bla"
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Ronnie lacked the conditioning to compete with Cutler '09. Cutler was dier and bigger than Ronnie ever was.
Say What? Ronnie at his best was from another planet. Untouchable.
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Say What? Ronnie at his best was from another planet. Untouchable.
Not according to the score sheets.
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Not according to the score sheets.
no, Ronnie 99 received a perfect score, so did the AC Ronnie.
so yes, according to the score sheets. :P
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no, Ronnie 99 received a perfect score, so did the AC Ronnie.
so yes, according to the score sheets. :P
Yeah, but we all know that as far as the Olympia goes, 1998 was his best. :P
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Yeah, but we all know that as far as the Olympia goes, 1998 was his best. :P
thats not what Ronnie said in his victory seminar.
thats not the Olympia that McGough picked for his 'olympia phyisques that advanced the sport'
so, no, 98 was NOT his best olympia.
99 takes that honour.
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thats not what Ronnie said in his victory seminar.
thats not the Olympia that McGough picked for his 'olympia phyisques that advanced the sport'
so, no, 98 was NOT his best olympia.
99 takes that honour.
Like a rat to cheese. ;D
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Ronnie was on Romano and Palumbo's most recent show. Some interesting things said, including recent back surgery and how he collapsed in his hotel room one of the years he won. Also, they took the time to mention the disgraceful Nasser and his business in the soiled thongs market.
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thats not what Ronnie said in his victory seminar.
thats not the Olympia that McGough picked for his 'olympia phyisques that advanced the sport'
so, no, 98 was NOT his best olympia.
99 takes that honour.
Ronnie knows Ronnie better than you know Ronnie ;)
] There are those who feel you were at your best when you competed lighter, which for you was in the low 270's, and those who say you were best in the 290's. Was there a particular look you presented that you preferred over the others?
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Number one. That one was incredible to me. It (Ronnie's first Olympia win in 1998) always will be and nothing will ever take the place of that one. Everything was just spot on for that show.