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Title: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: cheftim on January 26, 2010, 10:22:21 AM
If thats true about Hardy? I'd bet anything he draws #30. It would be a very cool start if Legacy drew 1, 2, and 3. Chef Timmy pics HHH to win the whole thing. Undertaker is definitely gonna loose the belt to Rey Rey. Any chance of somebody starting a Royal Rumble thread? Alot to be discussed here....


Title: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: Playboy on January 26, 2010, 11:45:33 AM
If thats true about Hardy? I'd bet anything he draws #30. It would be a very cool start if Legacy drew 1, 2, and 3. Chef Timmy pics HHH to win the whole thing. Undertaker is definitely gonna loose the belt to Rey Rey. Any chance of somebody starting a Royal Rumble thread? Alot to be discussed here....
I think Undertaker will retain his title due to outside interference from Batista and go through to WM as champion. I have a funny feeling Cena will win the rumble and face Undertaker for the title. We never seen an Undertaker vs Cena match on the big stage. I have a funny feeling at some point in the rumble it will boil down to HHH & Michaels and all hell is gonna break loose.

Interesting point about Legacy. Imagine Orton, Cody & DiBiase all drawing 1 2 & 3.  :)


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: leonp1981 on January 26, 2010, 04:15:13 PM
I think Taker will retain, and he might keep it all the way through to WM.  Not sure about the Orton/Sheamus one, I'd probably go for Sheamus to keep it.

As for the winner of the Rumble, I'm gonna go for Michaels.  Vince told him to make the match happen himself, so he'll have to win the Rumble to do that.  It'll be him and HHH as the last two.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: Playboy on January 27, 2010, 05:38:30 AM
I think Taker will retain, and he might keep it all the way through to WM.  Not sure about the Orton/Sheamus one, I'd probably go for Sheamus to keep it.

As for the winner of the Rumble, I'm gonna go for Michaels.  Vince told him to make the match happen himself, so he'll have to win the Rumble to do that.  It'll be him and HHH as the last two.
I expect Sheamus to lose to Orton. Michaels already won 2 Rumbles in the past and last years match he had with the Undertaker was spectacular. I can't see them one-upping that match as both are said to be in really rough shape in terms of health. I expect a HHH vs Michaels match at WM with Vince & Brett Hart somehow worked in the angle and a Cena vs Undertaker match for the title at WM.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: Playboy on January 28, 2010, 09:23:21 AM
Sheamus still has to proove himself IMO. Not main event material at all. He's still green IMO. As for Ray, he is schedualed to have reconstructive knee surgury in April so there is no way the WWE will make him upset the Undertaker at RR. As of now according to the leaked storylines on the net, it will be a triple threat match at RR with Undertaker, Ray & Batista.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on January 28, 2010, 10:44:54 AM
Michaels needs to stop wrestling, period. I'm getting really sick of looking at him on TV with his old man comb-over skullet. Looks pathetic and old, sorry to say. Get some new blood up in there.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: Playboy on January 28, 2010, 12:08:30 PM
The title switches hands every eye blink. Reys surgery won't effect anything. The title will switch hands ten times by then. Undertaker is losing at the Rumble. Undertaker I believe is only defending the Streak at Mania. I love it. This is always the most exciting time of year! I can't wait until Sunday! Hope Legacy draws 1, 2, 3!
No...Ray is not winning anything. A knee replacement is serious stuff. Thus the three way match I mentioned in the works. It will take stress and working pressure off Ray. 


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: Montague on January 28, 2010, 12:14:37 PM
Michaels needs to stop wrestling, period. I'm getting really sick of looking at him on TV with his old man comb-over skullet. Looks pathetic and old, sorry to say. Get some new blood up in there.


Nothing will ever change the quality of worker he was 10+ years ago.
History preserves that, but overstaying his welcome now may certainly diminish his legacy in a lot of fans’ eyes.

It seems that – to his ego – it is more important to remain in the spotlight instead of going out on a high note.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: leonp1981 on January 28, 2010, 02:44:45 PM
Sheamus isn't a Mania main event guy. Orton is still one of the top guys. He's definitely winning the title and is one of the headline matches at WM. If Taker retains the belt then they've lost on another World Title match. Mania is three main events. Streak and two World title matches. Rey is gonna win the belt. It's gonna hit the fan between HBK/HHH in the Rumble no doubt. I just really think HHH is gonna take the whole show this year. Something big is gonna happen with the Legacy as well. Kane is gonna go off as usual. Does DX have a tag match defending the titles that night as well?

I agree about Sheamus, I'm just not sure they're gonna take the title off him straight away, I reckon he'll lose it between RR and WM.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: Playboy on January 29, 2010, 06:05:00 AM
I agree about Sheamus, I'm just not sure they're gonna take the title off him straight away, I reckon he'll lose it between RR and WM.
I hope Orton wins and punt kicks his Irish head.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: leonp1981 on January 29, 2010, 03:30:49 PM
I hope Orton wins and punt kicks his Irish head.

I'm not sure.  I can see a Sheamus/Orton team in the future.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: leonp1981 on January 30, 2010, 01:14:07 PM
Sheamus is gonna team up with the IC champ. I don't know what his name is.

Drew McIntyre?  They're on different shows at the moment, so they'd have to switch someone for that to happen.  Sheamus and McIntyre have quite a history over in the UK, where they've faced each other in several promotions for different belts.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: leonp1981 on January 30, 2010, 04:09:24 PM
It doesn't matter? Jericho was thrown off Raw yet he's still on it every Monday then on Smackdown on Friday. DX was on smackdown last night. All I'm saying is that HHH is gonna win the Rumble tomorrow night. Any chance of the rated R superstar showing up as a suprise???

Last time I read anything, it said that he was ahead of schedule, but I don't know if he'll be ready this early.  I'd definitely expect him before WM.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: leonp1981 on January 31, 2010, 03:30:16 PM
I don't think I've been looking forward to a PPV this much for quite some time.  I don't know why, maybe it's the whole TNA thing, but I wanna see if there are any surprises thrown in tonight.  And as much as I wanna see HBK win, I have a feeling that HHH will throw him out!

 ;D


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: big L dawg on January 31, 2010, 03:41:14 PM
Any links to watch the rumble?


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: cheftim on January 31, 2010, 04:15:09 PM
I don't think I've been looking forward to a PPV this much for quite some time.  I don't know why, maybe it's the whole TNA thing, but I wanna see if there are any surprises thrown in tonight.  And as much as I wanna see HBK win, I have a feeling that HHH will throw him out!

 ;D
The Rumble never lets down. It's gonna be awesome! I really hope Orton takes it to this cup of milk tonight. Really interested to see if the Hitman is gonna have play in this some way? Is it possible for Batista to interfere in the Taker/Rey match and cause Taker the title so they have streak match at Mania? Out of all PPV's this one is always my favorite! HHH for the win.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: Montague on February 01, 2010, 07:03:50 AM
Well everyone, here goes:

Christian beat Ezikiel Jackson to retain the ECW title

Mickey James beat Michelle McCool to win the womens championship

The Miz beat MVP to retain the U.S. title

The Undertaker defeated Ray Mysterio to retain the World Heavywieght championship

Sheamus beat Orton by DQ to retain the WWE championship after Cody Rhodes interfered and cost Orton the match. Orton got so pissed he beat the holy hell out of Rhodes and as DiBiase tried to break it up, Sheamus kicked Orton with that famous boot.

To make a long story short, Edge made his return and won the rumble.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: Playboy on February 01, 2010, 07:49:34 AM
Some other tidybits....

HBK eliminated HHH from the rumble so that opens the door for them to break up and start fueding leading into WM. Since Edge won, he gets to fight the champ of his choice instead of Jericho as originally planned. WWE has really changed their story lines to fool people like us who read the story that leak out  :)


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: Playboy on February 01, 2010, 07:50:17 AM
I posted them on their own thread but here are the results:

Well everyone, here goes:

Christian beat Ezikiel Jackson to retain the ECW title

Mickey James beat Michelle McCool to win the womens championship

The Miz beat MVP to retain the U.S. title

The Undertaker defeated Ray Mysterio to retain the World Heavywieght championship

Sheamus beat Orton by DQ to retain the WWE championship after Cody Rhodes interfered and cost Orton the match. Orton got so pissed he beat the holy hell out of Rhodes and as DiBiase tried to break it up, Sheamus kicked Orton with that famous boot.

To make a long story short, Edge made his return and won the rumble.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: Montague on February 01, 2010, 09:04:46 AM
I posted them on their own thread but here are the results:


I didn’t want to merge your thread that you just started this morning, but I wanted to post the Rumble results in the sticky.
It was faster & easier for me to just copy and paste your post.


Plagiarism – college's greatest lesson!
 ;D



Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: Playboy on February 01, 2010, 09:12:00 AM

I didn’t want to merge your thread that you just started this morning, but I wanted to post the Rumble results in the sticky.
It was faster & easier for me to just copy and paste your post.


Plagiarism – college's greatest lesson!
 ;D


No worries....all good. Sometimes i'll post something big like that in its own thread so everyone can see it without having to look for it in the News & Notes. Very interesting rumble though. They have many different angles / storylines they can do for Mania.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: Montague on February 01, 2010, 09:14:06 AM
Do you think Vince is turning things up because of the upcoming pressure from TNA?

I’m not implying that he would intentionally do poorly – or even go on “auto pilot.”
I’m just curious if he’s maybe trying a little harder now.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: Playboy on February 01, 2010, 09:18:42 AM
Do you think Vince is turning things up because of the upcoming pressure from TNA?

I’m not implying that he would intentionally do poorly – or even go on “auto pilot.”
I’m just curious if he’s maybe trying a little harder now.

Could be, mind you the ball is in Vince's court. Tna will still need a couple of good years before really giving Vince a good run for his money. One thing I did notice is that WWE has been changing storylines at the last minute do to storylines leaking out to the net. Now keep in mind that there is still one PPV left before heading into WM. So alot can happen.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: leonp1981 on February 01, 2010, 06:58:29 PM
The Edge/Jericho match could still happen if Jericho wins one of the titles before WM.

I'm watching Raw now, and I'm getting tired of Sheamus already.  The guys got no charisma, and the glare from his skin is giving me a headache.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: Playboy on February 02, 2010, 04:41:26 AM
With the results of the rumble and the elimination ppv coming up in a few weeks plus the Bret / Vince storyline, there are so many things they can do at WM.


Title: Re: 2010 Royal Rumble:
Post by: Playboy on February 02, 2010, 10:31:56 AM
Michaels is gonna put his career on the line to face the Undertaker. He's gonna say either he wins or he's gone. Love HBK but he is looking so bad. His eyes, hair, and he walks like he has something jammed up his behind. He really needs to hang it up.
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WWE will not make Michaels fight the Undertaker at WM. Aside from the fact that we just witnessed an epic battle between the two on the biggest stage of them all would cheapen their performance last year. They would never be able to one-up that match. Both are far to injured. From what it looks like, HHH will face Michaels but Michaels will be the one who has the heel turn this time. It has been building up slowly and something will go down at the Elimination chamber PPV in a couple of weeks. Should be pretty interesting.

Also, note that there will be a Cutting Edge segment on Smackdown this week were the guest will be the Undertaker. Edge will face whichever champ he chooses at WM.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Montague on February 04, 2010, 01:25:01 PM
Is Bret gonna push the Hart Dynasty at all?


I suspect that is a major reason he returned.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 05, 2010, 05:40:22 AM
What do you think the card is gonna be then this year Playboy? How's DX is gonna loose the tag belts? And what do you think is gonna happen with Batista? Is Bret gonna push the Hart Dynasty at all?
Its really tough to call. They have so many angles they can do now which is great and not as typical WWE predictable. With Edge back, winning the rumble, hart and McMahon, Michaels slowly turning heel, DX, the tag belts, etc.....so much can happen. I'm really excited. I believe the upcoming Elimination Chamber PPV will determine everything that will take place at this years WM.

Personally, I would love to see Michaels vs HHH on the big stage. I have a funny feeling that DX will lose the titles in the very near future causing them to split up and fued. I also think that whomever Edge challenges, Batista will be filtered in and it will be a triple threat match. Very hard to call though. WWE is doing great at changing the storylines. Will see what happens.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Skeeter on February 05, 2010, 10:50:11 AM
Is Bret gonna push the Hart Dynasty at all?

With Batista backing McMahon on Raw you might see a Batista/Hart Dynasty feud in the future.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 05, 2010, 12:57:54 PM
With Batista backing McMahon on Raw you might see a Batista/Hart Dynasty feud in the future.
I don't think Bret will have anything to do with the Hart Dynasty. He is in a completely different league and show for that matter. He's doing Raw, They're doing Smackdown.
Best times in WWE are between the Rumble & WM. We should be in for some good stories here. Batista is helping Vince no doubt as his loophole to get another title shot.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 08, 2010, 04:58:33 AM
I cannot see how VKM wouldn't use Bret to push the Hart Dynasty unless Bret refused? I mean come on lets earn$ here. In my eyes The Hart Dynasty has an unbelieveably bright future. I mean not only because of their Bloodline/Name. But everytime I see them perform they only seem to get better and better. Davey Jr. is a powerhouse and Neidhart is a fox. They're a great, great trio. Realistically Bret or no Bret these guys are going to the top. A push from Bret would just get them there a little sooner. I have a superbowl pig roasting as we speak!
I want in on that roasting pig! Sounds good!


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: leonp1981 on February 08, 2010, 06:30:40 PM
Davey Jr. is a powerhouse

I can't decide on this guy.  He's got the size and power to be really good, but whenever I see him, he doesn't look comfortable with what he's doing, and sometimes he looks plain clumsy.  I just can't see him being a main eventer at all.  Kidd on the other hand looks really good.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Montague on February 08, 2010, 07:46:04 PM
I wonder how many people try to compare him to his Dad.
It's hard not to, but those are awfully big boots to fill.



Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 09, 2010, 05:00:47 AM
I wonder how many people try to compare him to his Dad.
It's hard not to, but those are awfully big boots to fill.


He fails in comparison to his dad IMO. Davey Boy Smith was a one of a kind. His son can wrestle ok but can't cut a promo. He's not all that he is cracked out to be. Mind you he is still young and has lots of time to bloom. 


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Montague on February 09, 2010, 08:05:11 AM
Oh, I agree 100%.

We also can’t forget that, for as great as Davey was, he didn’t start like that. No matter how much natural ability someone has, they’re all green when they start out. Davey learned, worked hard, and improved to become one of the most incredible workers ever.

David Jr. is still young, still has some time to improve, and he probably inherited some of his old man’s aptitude.
It's a shame that Davey Sr. isn't around now to coach him.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Montague on February 09, 2010, 08:11:20 AM
One thing I’d like to add as far as father/son wrestlers…

It seems – at least to me – that usually, the son ends up in a different league than his dad. He’s either substantially better, or noticeably not as good. Seldom are they equal.

Q.E.D. – Rock achieved the kind of success that Rocky Johnson probably never dreamt possible. Conversely, David Sammartino should never be mentioned in the same day as his dad – unless Bruno is the one talking.

Again, the pattern seems to be that “junior” is either better or not as good. Unfortunately for David, it’s gonna be difficult to top his old man in the ring.
But, I don’t take that to mean that he’s going to suck (please refrain from thinking of your favorite Pat Patterson dick joke, now).

Only time will tell.
He’s gotten an opportunity that few enjoy. If he really wants it, and he’s smart, he’ll find a way to capitalize on it.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: leonp1981 on February 09, 2010, 08:34:32 AM
He just doesn't look confident in his own ability.  Like he's unsure of being in the spotlight, and is nervous all the time.  Maybe he needs to take a step back down the ladder until he's ready.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 09, 2010, 11:44:26 AM
One thing I’d like to add as far as father/son wrestlers…

It seems – at least to me – that usually, the son ends up in a different league than his dad. He’s either substantially better, or noticeably not as good. Seldom are they equal.

Q.E.D. – Rock achieved the kind of success that Rocky Johnson probably never dreamt possible. Conversely, David Sammartino should never be mentioned in the same day as his dad – unless Bruno is the one talking.

Again, the pattern seems to be that “junior” is either better or not as good. Unfortunately for David, it’s gonna be difficult to top his old man in the ring.
But, I don’t take that to mean that he’s going to suck (please refrain from thinking of your favorite Pat Patterson dick joke, now).

Only time will tell.
He’s gotten an opportunity that few enjoy. If he really wants it, and he’s smart, he’ll find a way to capitalize on it.

I noticed that the second / third generation stars are not nearly as good as their fathers. The only wrestlers that surpassed their fathers that quickly come to mind are:

Randy Orton
Jake Roberts
The Rock

Ted Dibiase Jr is not nearly as good as his old man. Neither is Cody or Duston Rhodes (Runnels). Those are very, very tough shoes to fill and most likely will not be filled.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 11, 2010, 12:27:31 PM
Cody is getting better and better every time I see him. Ted Jr. will never achieve the greatness the Million Dollar Man was. Million Dollar Man was another one of the very few that never had to reivent himself. Definitely one of the greatest heels in my life time. He stirred the $hit like no other. Great performer.
The problem I see with Cody is his persona. He is a good up and coming wrestler and a great mat technician but he is a total dud in front of the camara and on the mic. Totally opposite like his old man. When Dusty Rhodes cut a promo he was unbelievable and so was his following.

Speaking of Ted Di Biase senior, I was glad to hear the announcement of his HOF induction this year. Long overdue.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: mikediesel on February 12, 2010, 07:26:03 PM
When the Hart dynasty interacted with Jericho it was pure gold....


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 17, 2010, 05:36:15 AM
Well, seeing how they did that angle on Raw where Bret was backed into by another car and "broke his leg", that is the way out for him not to wrestle. I can see it now. Vince chooses Batista to represent him at WM26 and Bret chooses John Cena.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Montague on February 17, 2010, 09:23:10 AM
Well, seeing how they did that angle on Raw where Bret was backed into by another car and "broke his leg", that is the way out for him not to wrestle. I can see it now. Vince chooses Batista to represent him at WM26 and Bret chooses John Cena.


Or they could be setting up the story to be told during a future match. Bret is from the school that could do that.

Picture this:
Bret ends up in a match with someone. His leg is still not 100% and maybe by this time he’s graduated to wearing a brace.
The bum leg would serve to legitimize the slower/more limited work rate compared to the last time we saw Bret in a match (people remember others as they last saw them).

[Smarks will criticize Bret’s current ability regardless, while casual fans from that time will accept the story line of the injured leg, attributing the match’s quality to it.]  

Okay, back to the match:
The announcers will keep subtly reminding fans of the brace’s hindrance, suggesting that Bret’s signature move will be of no help to him tonight. He struggles his way through the match.

Now…the emotional highlight of the match: Underdog Bret finally gains the upper hand. He dramatically tears off the brace. Against all odds, he barely & painfully applies the sharpshooter – THE MOST SIGNIFICANT SHARPSHOOTER HE’S EVER APPLIED! Victory!
That "has-been" match could easily outshine all others on the card because of its emotion and the story it told.

Think back to Fred Blassie’s last WWF appearance when he came out in a wheelchair. Remember the enormous pop he got when he stood up out of the chair?
Hundreds of millions of people stand up from a chair every day, and it means nothing.
30 seconds of setup time made Blassie’s standing receive a standing ovation from the crowd.

They could do the same thing with Bret.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 17, 2010, 10:27:08 AM

Or they could be setting up the story to be told during a future match. Bret is from the school that could do that.

Picture this:
Bret ends up in a match with someone. His leg is still not 100% and maybe by this time he’s graduated to wearing a brace.
The bum leg would serve to legitimize the slower/more limited work rate compared to the last time we saw Bret in a match (people remember others as they last saw them).

[Smarks will criticize Bret’s current ability regardless, while casual fans from that time will accept the story line of the injured leg, attributing the match’s quality to it.]  

Okay, back to the match:
The announcers will keep subtly reminding fans of the brace’s hindrance, suggesting that Bret’s signature move will be of no help to him tonight. He struggles his way through the match.

Now…the emotional highlight of the match: Underdog Bret finally gains the upper hand. He dramatically tears off the brace. Against all odds, he barely & painfully applies the sharpshooter – THE MOST SIGNIFICANT SHARPSHOOTER HE’S EVER APPLIED! Victory!
That "has-been" match could easily outshine all others on the card because of its emotion and the story it told.

Think back to Fred Blassie’s last WWF appearance when he came out in a wheelchair. Remember the enormous pop he got when he stood up out of the chair?
Hundreds of millions of people stand up from a chair every day, and it means nothing.
30 seconds of setup time made Blassie’s standing receive a standing ovation from the crowd.

They could do the same thing with Bret.

Wouldn't it be amazing if Bret got Vince in a sharpshooter? Lol... that would be priceless.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Montague on February 17, 2010, 10:47:58 AM
In all likelihood, I fully expect that's who it would be.

That’s one more reason I think they did the leg injury angle – to begin to set that up.
Vince is in the “over 60” club and Bret has had his share of setbacks - being medically cleared to wrestle does not mean you can all of the sudden work in the ring like you did 20 years ago.

The setup I believe is happening will provide the “forgiveness” for not putting on a match to rival those of Bret’s prime.

And with the proper buildup, yes – Bret [to be] putting Vince in the sharpshooter will draw good numbers – particularly with all of the real life drama & tension from their past.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: mikediesel on February 17, 2010, 08:54:30 PM
Wrestlemania:

Cena wins elimination chamber and WWE strap. Vince mcmahon gives Batista a title shot against Cena at Wrestlemania. Edge gets involve and says that he wants to challange Cena for the strap since he won the royal rumble.

Cena Vs Batista Vs Edge (Triple Threat for WWE strap)

John Morrison sells his ankle injury and is pulled from elimination chamber, and is replaced by Shawn Michaels. Shawn wins Heavyweight strap. Plays mind games with Undertaker since undertaker didnt want to face him at wrestlemania when he was champ. Finally Michaels ups the ante and only fights undertaker if he agrees to a career for belt match

Taker Vs shawn michaels (World heavyweight title for career match.

Mysterio gets sick of the straight edge society putting the fans down, cuts a promo speaking against the straight edge society, starts Mysterio Punk feud.

CM punk vs mysterio (hair vs mask)

some thoughts or wishes for wrestlemania


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 18, 2010, 05:20:27 AM
Where's HHH fit into all of this?
My thoughts exactly.

Plus again, I don't think they will make Undertaker fight Michaels again. They will have to one up their match last year which is impossible to do. The match will have lost its sizzle.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: leonp1981 on February 18, 2010, 07:04:23 AM
I can't see them giving Shawn a title run.  As long as we don't see Edge vs Cena again, I don't really mind.  HHH vs HBK would be cool, especially with a retirement angle.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 18, 2010, 09:12:20 AM
I believe it's gonna be Cena/Animal this year. I refuse to watch Cena against Orton or Edge ever again. I cannot see Edge facing Undertaker? It will be hard for Undertaker/HBK to top their lasts years match but I believe they can do it! These are the two best guys we got! And nobody turns it on come Mania time like Undertaker and Boy Toy. I would like to see it again and see what these guys bring to the table. The only thing that puts doubt in my mind about the rematch is HHH. Where does he fit in. He's still one of our biggest stars. Taker faces Shawn again whats gonna happen with HHH?
I'm still confident that we will see a HHH vs Shawn Michaels match of some sort at WM. I have a funny feeling we'll see jericho, edge & Undertaker in a triple threat match and Cena vs Batista with the Hart / VKM angle worked into play. That's my prediction.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: leonp1981 on February 18, 2010, 05:17:53 PM
I'm still confident that we will see a HHH vs Shawn Michaels match of some sort at WM. I have a funny feeling we'll see jericho, edge & Undertaker in a triple threat match and Cena vs Batista with the Hart / VKM angle worked into play. That's my prediction.

That could definitely happen.  The good thing about this year is that there are so many different ways they can go.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 19, 2010, 05:58:25 AM
How many matches you figure there's gonna be? Sheamus has to have a match. Plus one Divas match. The Tag belts. The IC belt. Legacy has to have a match somehow. Plus CM Punk. Jericho has to be worked in somehow? Any chance of him winning the title and then facing Edge at Mania? I think the only match so far for certain is Batista/Cena.
Well Cheftim, here's my predictions:

Cena vs Batista (in a VKM / Hart) angle. Bret in Cena's corner, VKM in Batista's corner.

HHH vs Shawn Michaels

Edge vs Jericho (as champion. I think he'll win at elimination chamber) vs Undertaker in a triple threat match. This would work well considering the Undertaker is very hurting with a bad hip that requires a hip replacement so it would take the stress off the Undertaker.

Show & Miz defend the tag titles against MVP & Mark Henry

A money in the bank match with other stars like Matt Hardy, Shelton Bejimen, Christian, Dolph Ziggler etc.

Drew Mcentyre defends the IC title against Probably John Morrison.

A diva's title match. Probably Mickey James against Michelle McCool (no one really cares here)

There you have it. Mind you anything can happen or change but that's my call.




Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 22, 2010, 04:39:12 AM
Legacy needs a match some place as well as CM Punk. What about Rey Rey?
I also forgot to mention:

Orton vs Sheamus....not sure what they'll do with Legacy and Ray will probably be in the money in the bank match.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: mikediesel on February 22, 2010, 11:08:14 AM
I also forgot to mention:

Orton vs Sheamus....not sure what they'll do with Legacy and Ray will probably be in the money in the bank match.

Rumor is there wont be a MITB match this Wrestlemania since WWE is going to have an all MITB PPV coming soon


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: leonp1981 on February 22, 2010, 05:45:48 PM
I think we'll see the destruction of Legacy over the coming weeks, culminating with some kind of match at WM.  I don't want to see Sheamus in any kind of main event match either.  I can see him teaming up with Orton against Legacy at some point soon.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 23, 2010, 05:22:57 AM
The updated WM26 card as per the leaks on the internet:

CONFIRMED MATCHES:

* Money In The Bank Ladder Match: Christian vs…?
* Career vs. Streak: Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker
* WWE Title Match: Batista © vs. John Cena
* World Title Match: Chris Jericho © vs. Edge

RUMORED MATCHES:

* Bret Hart vs. Vince McMahon (Street Fight)
* Triple H vs. Sheamus
* Randy Orton vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Ted Dibiase (Fathers Of All Three Men In Their Corners)
* Divas Match


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 23, 2010, 12:00:54 PM
Hey we all know HBK is one of Chef Timmys favorites. But this match at Mania is for history and HBKs legacy. No way he's gonna beat the streak. He's gonna set the standard though yet again. Mr. Wrestlemania Shawn Michaels is going to give us the best match of his career then retire. But stay retired? No chance of that one happening. I cannot wait for this one!
It will be a tough one to call. If the streak ends, it will tarnish the Undertaker and if Michaels looses, his career is done. Both stand to lose lots there. Personally from years of watching experience I can't see michaels loosing twice in a row. We could all be wrong and maybe something will happen with outside interference that will "hurt" both wrestlers as both are schedualed to take time off until Summerslam.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 23, 2010, 12:27:25 PM
No way Undertaker would give up his streak to HBK. I love HBK. But honestly I'd rather see Undertaker retire with the streak in tact. Thats all he has. Shawns Legacy is already rock solid. It really doesn't matter if Shawn wins or looses. It's all about his performance. And he's gonna bring it that night. Both these guys are gonna give us the best match of their lives. Gonna be a great one!
I honestly thought HBK was gonna say on Raw last night, "Undertaker, I want you in your own playground. A buried alive match!" How great would that have been. A buried alive match between these two phenomenal stars on the biggest stage. Can you imagine? I am counting on a phenomenal match here, no doubt. I have to say though, I think HBK will do it. I can't see him loosing twice in a row unless there is some sort of outside interference that costs both men the match, thus keeping the streak and Michaels' career alive.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: leonp1981 on February 23, 2010, 08:36:16 PM
I really can't see Taker allowing Shawn to take the streak.  The biggest thing of his whole career, a record that will never be repeated, and he's gonna give it away to Michaels?  I'll be very disappointed if he does, cos I don't think Shawn deserves it.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Montague on February 23, 2010, 09:00:57 PM
It just doesn’t make any sense for HBK to beat him.
The time for Taker to lose at Mania is when it’s time to pass the torch like Andre did for Hogan…and that’s if he loses.

Shawn doesn’t need a “torch.” He’s not only highly established, but he’s nearing the end of his ring career.
Although, if Taker is near the end of his (as many are claiming), he may not really care about his character’s image beyond retirement.

It just doesn’t make sense for HBK to lose his fair well match anymore than it does for him to end Taker’s streak.
For that reason, I think we’ll see some interference – maybe from a “sharpshooter” waiting in the wings.



Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 24, 2010, 04:36:55 AM
It will definately be an intresting angle to watch. That's for sure.

On a side note, Stu Hart will be the next hall of fame inductee next week. Also...funny as it may seem, despite the Ultimate Warrior's past history with the WWE and his attitude problem, the WWE was willing to induct him into the HOF this year. The ungrateful jackass refused.

Also, Sheamus suffered a concussion at the Elimination Chamber PPV which is why he wasn't on Raw. It was supposed to be Cena vs Sheamus with the winner facing Batista at WM but they had to change the plans last minute. You can expect a HHH vs Sheamus fued to start next week cultimating a match at WM.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Montague on February 24, 2010, 07:45:50 AM
Does Hellwig not realize that this makes him look like an even bigger ass?

It wouldn't surprise me if the old man ordered the offer made knowing there was a 99.99% probability that UW would refuse. Then Vince could say, "Hey, we offered the proverbial olive branch..."

Hellwig is always trying to sue Vince for money/wages, etc. and he's seldom successful.
It would probably be a lot easier if he followed Bret's lead - make amends and then make some $$ that way!
Then he wouldn’t be wasting all that time & money on court costs, attorney’s fees, etc. with little to show for it.

Look at Bret: he’s already had one successful DVD release, he’s got a temporary gig to make some extra (decent) ching, his old man is being inducted into the HOF, and there’s another video documentary in the works.

Basically, unless you’re Shane Douglas, Vince is willing to bury the hatchet with anyone.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 24, 2010, 08:33:40 AM
Does Hellwig not realize that this makes him look like an even bigger ass?

It wouldn't surprise me if the old man ordered the offer made knowing there was a 99.99% probability that UW would refuse. Then Vince could say, "Hey, we offered the proverbial olive branch..."

Hellwig is always trying to sue Vince for money/wages, etc. and he's seldom successful.
It would probably be a lot easier if he followed Bret's lead - make amends and then make some $$ that way!
Then he wouldn’t be wasting all that time & money on court costs, attorney’s fees, etc. with little to show for it.

Look at Bret: he’s already had one successful DVD release, he’s got a temporary gig to make some extra (decent) ching, his old man is being inducted into the HOF, and there’s another video documentary in the works.

Basically, unless you’re Shane Douglas, Vince is willing to bury the hatchet with anyone.

WWE is silly to. You would have figured that they would have learned their lesson with this guy after they tried 3 times with him and gotten burned. They should sever all ties with this moron.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Montague on February 24, 2010, 08:39:00 AM
I suspect they may have done these last one or two moves out of spite.
Kind of like waving money in front of someone's face and taunting them with, "You know you'll never have THIS."


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 24, 2010, 08:51:15 AM
I suspect they may have done these last one or two moves out of spite.
Kind of like waving money in front of someone's face and taunting them with, "You know you'll never have THIS."
What kills me is that if you watch the Ultimate Warrior "Self-destruction" dvd, not one person has anything good to say about this guy. Not one.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Montague on February 24, 2010, 09:02:07 AM
There again, had he agreed to collaborate on that project he could have come off looking better than he did.
His refusal probably influenced their decision to portray him with much greater negative bias.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Montague on February 24, 2010, 11:27:08 AM
You easily have the best posts here. Your point of view is always educating.


Thanks.

The blood of wrestling geeks (& a liberal arts degree) courses strongly through my veins.



Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on February 24, 2010, 12:05:10 PM
You easily have the best posts here. Your point of view is always educating.
What am I? A mirage???

 ;D  ;D  ;D


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on March 01, 2010, 04:41:45 AM
Both Punk and Morrison lost their chances tonight for the magic brief case at Mania. I think these two guys are my favorites right now. But now these guys are out of it. Now who's gonna win the money in the bank match? Punk would have been perfect to win it again. Chef Timmy thinks that bald chick seriously looks frisky.
I just read off the net that Morrison is being geared for a heel turn soon.

Ya...Serena Deeb is one delicous cutie. She has that sensual look to her.

I have a funny feeling Christian will win the MITB match. He deserves it. He's paid his dues and WWE could do a lot more with him.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on March 01, 2010, 12:27:29 PM
Morrison will be way better as a heel I think as well. He's a perfect shoe in for HBK. He's the future of the Federation in my eyes. As for Christian. He's already Main event status long ago. This guy has been going to waste.
Agree 100% on both counts. I would make Morrison heel and team him up with a dive valet.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: leonp1981 on March 01, 2010, 02:31:00 PM
Morrison is definitely a better heel.  He works better with the arrogant, cocky attitude he had when he was with Miz.  His mic work as a face doesn't work for me.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on March 02, 2010, 07:18:55 AM
Morrison is definitely a better heel.  He works better with the arrogant, cocky attitude he had when he was with Miz.  His mic work as a face doesn't work for me.
I think he'd be a phenomenal heel. Have a heel diva accompany him much like Sherri did for HBK back in 1992 and it will work wonders.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on March 02, 2010, 11:48:29 AM
He would be good but he wouldn't even come close to HBK's status.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Montague on March 05, 2010, 06:56:58 AM
Eric Bischoff was recently asked on his Facebook if he was following the Bret Hart vs. Mr. McMahon storyline and if he thought it is being done well.

The following is his quote:
  
"For what it is..yes. Allegedly WWE found out about a Lloyds of London policy that Bret had in effect AFTER setting up this match, and as a result Lloyds of London has to approve of the physical structure of the match. Can't confirm this, and perhaps WWE has "bought out" the problem, but if not..could be disappointing. Either way, I am looking forward to it and am happy for Bret. Going back to WWE in any capacity was the right thing for him to do at this stage of his life."



credit: wrestlezone.com


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on March 05, 2010, 01:52:18 PM
this guy has all the potential in the World. He needs just the slightest push as a heel and a new persona. He's an incredible athlete with good looks. The Ravishing One and HBK combined.
Absolutely. His corkscrew jumps off the top rop are legendary.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 07, 2010, 06:58:08 AM
Where they're going with Morrison and R-Truth at Mania is beyond me? Miz and Show are retaining. Hopefully Morrison goes heel. He definitely has the most potential on the entire WWE roster. God forbid he gets injured. I think this guy is one of the next big stars.

Sounds like you have an absolute man-crush on Morrison.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on March 10, 2010, 06:43:42 AM
A little spoiler for the Hart vs Vince showdown at WM.

I've heard rumors that Steve Austin will be the special guest referee in the Bret Hart vs. Vince McMahon match but I can't confirm them just yet. We'll see next week for sure.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Montague on March 10, 2010, 07:23:32 AM
If that's true, then what the hell are they waiting for?
They'd better start promoting it.
Mania's less than three weeks away!



Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on March 10, 2010, 08:11:40 AM
If that's true, then what the hell are they waiting for?
They'd better start promoting it.
Mania's less than three weeks away!


Austin will be the guest host of Raw this coming Monday so the angle should start monday this week.  :)

On a side note, Raw will Be in Toronto on Monday May 17th so I gotta get my tickets through work.  ;)


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 19, 2010, 12:07:39 PM
Austin looked to be in terrific physical condition. Probably the leanest I've ever seen him.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on March 19, 2010, 12:35:00 PM
Austin looked to be in terrific physical condition. Probably the leanest I've ever seen him.
Agreed 100%


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Montague on March 19, 2010, 02:31:50 PM
Austin looked to be in terrific physical condition. Probably the leanest I've ever seen him.


That's because he's on the "Stallone Routine" -

4-hr. training sessions 2x/day
Eating the perfect protein/fat/carb ratio meals every 2.5 hours
8 hrs of sleep each night
access to pharmacy brand hGH & other HRT
Only working on location a total of 2 months per YEAR
Cortisol-fighting assurance of a bank account & other assets that will last his & the next 3 generations of “Austin’s.”
 


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Montague on March 20, 2010, 04:53:16 AM
I remember the Mania match Y2J had with HBK about 5 years ago.
A buddy of mine - who trained under Dominic DeNucci alongside Foley - was glued to the set.
After the match, the first thing he said was, "This was the only match tonight where they actually told a story in the ring."

Jericho's match this year won't be on par with the above, but I suspect that he & Edge will at least have some decent chemistry in the ring.



Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on March 22, 2010, 03:34:18 AM
I remember the Mania match Y2J had with HBK about 5 years ago.
A buddy of mine - who trained under Dominic DeNucci alongside Foley - was glued to the set.
After the match, the first thing he said was, "This was the only match tonight where they actually told a story in the ring."

Jericho's match this year won't be on par with the above, but I suspect that he & Edge will at least have some decent chemistry in the ring.


According to internet rumours (and yes they are just rumours), the winner of the "Money In The Bank" match will cash in later that night. I have a funny feeling Edge will defeat Jericho and Christian will cash in the breifcase and defeat Edge causing these two long time "friends" to have a good feud and a good heel turn for one of them. Just my prediction there.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Montague on March 22, 2010, 04:56:03 AM
That would be a good program that could run a while if they nurture it & give it a fair chance.
It would certainly break up some of the staleness as of late.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on March 22, 2010, 06:06:58 AM
That would be a good program that could run a while if they nurture it & give it a fair chance.
It would certainly break up some of the staleness as of late.
Definately a fresh change and not to mention a well deserved push for Christian.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on March 24, 2010, 03:40:26 AM
Thats moving too fast in my opinion. Keep Jericho the champ. I mean let Edge and Jericho have a decent fued for a few months. Both these guys have good chemistry. Let Edge slowly work himself back into Superstar condition. Once he turns heel again I could easily see him mixing it up with HHH. Jericho is gonna retain at Mania.
Edge & Jericho IMO should have thier fued continued all the way to SS. But like you brought up, is Edge physically ready to wrestle full force?


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 24, 2010, 06:17:25 AM
According to internet rumours (and yes they are just rumours), the winner of the "Money In The Bank" match will cash in later that night. I have a funny feeling Edge will defeat Jericho and Christian will cash in the breifcase and defeat Edge causing these two long time "friends" to have a good feud and a good heel turn for one of them. Just my prediction there.

I hope so. Captain Charisma is the man and long overdue for a title push. His promos are funny as hell.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on March 24, 2010, 06:25:56 AM
I hope so. Captain Charisma is the man and long overdue for a title push. His promos are funny as hell.
Agreed 100%


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 24, 2010, 08:22:49 AM
Christian is a great worker in the ring and great on the mic. His only drawback is his lack of an ideal Mcmahon- preferred physique that pops. But he's always in shape and seems to be respected and well liked backstage. An Edge vs Christian feud is long overdue. If this situation plays out then where does that leave Jericho? (who is also great)


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Playboy on March 24, 2010, 08:56:35 AM
Christian is a great worker in the ring and great on the mic. His only drawback is his lack of an ideal Mcmahon- preferred physique that pops. But he's always in shape and seems to be respected and well liked backstage. An Edge vs Christian feud is long overdue. If this situation plays out then where does that leave Jericho? (who is also great)
Personally I think Jericho is priceless and way under-rated. He is a phenomenal in ring performer and his promos are absolutely priceless. Plus he is never hurt. I'm hoping they keep him in the limelight for quite a long time.


Title: Re: Road to WrestleMania:
Post by: Hulkster on March 28, 2010, 07:46:54 PM
I remember the Mania match Y2J had with HBK about 5 years ago.
A buddy of mine - who trained under Dominic DeNucci alongside Foley - was glued to the set.
After the match, the first thing he said was, "This was the only match tonight where they actually told a story in the ring."

Jericho's match this year won't be on par with the above, but I suspect that he & Edge will at least have some decent chemistry in the ring.



I remember that match. it was during the Brock Angle mania. It was amazing, but I wanted Jericho to go over. he didn't..


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Hulkster on March 28, 2010, 07:48:13 PM
I thought the Taker HBK  match this year was even better than last years.

fantastic.

that final tombstone was one of the best I have ever seen. He jumped into the air bigtime, which he never does anymore. he hasn't done one like that in about 15 years.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: leonp1981 on March 28, 2010, 08:05:09 PM
That match was awesome, but what happened after the match was even better, I've gotta admit I had a tear in my eye.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Playboy on March 29, 2010, 10:08:15 AM
Thought long and hard about it and decided to pass on this years Mania. Was hard to do because this is only the second one I ever missed. WreestleMania 1 being the other. I realized that HBK was going down. Didn't want to watch it. I'll get the DVD when it comes out. Can't believe Swagger won the ladder match. Congrats to him.
That actually surprised me. I thought Christian would win it.


Title: Wrestlemania 26 results for those who may have missed it...
Post by: Playboy on March 29, 2010, 10:14:35 AM
Jack Swaggar won the MITB ladder match.

Miz & Big Show beat R-Truth & Morrison

John Cena beat Batista

Triple H beat Sheamus

Mysterio beat Punk

Hart beat McMahon via sharpshooter & tapout

Orton Beat DiBiase & Rhodes

Undertaker Beat Michaels



Title: Re: Wrestlemania 26 results for those who may have missed it...
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on March 29, 2010, 01:22:20 PM
Michaels' moonsault off the top rope onto Taker was epic. I like how he sprung right up right after, swung and missed, and fell face first. Kinda like Ric Flair.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: leonp1981 on March 29, 2010, 05:56:39 PM
Thought long and hard about it and decided to pass on this years Mania. Was hard to do because this is only the second one I ever missed. WreestleMania 1 being the other. I realized that HBK was going down. Didn't want to watch it. I'll get the DVD when it comes out. Can't believe Swagger won the ladder match. Congrats to him.

It's a shame you missed it, as much as you like HBK, it was a good ending for him.


Title: Re: Wrestlemania 26 results for those who may have missed it...
Post by: leonp1981 on March 29, 2010, 06:04:40 PM
That last match was amazing.  And seeing Taker pick Shawn up at the end was the perfect ending.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on March 30, 2010, 05:34:06 AM
"An" ending...
Not "the" ending.

We'll either see him between Summer-Slam & Survivor Series, or it'll be an HBK/AJ Styles/Kurt Angle triple threat.

 :)



Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Playboy on March 30, 2010, 08:00:54 AM
"An" ending...
Not "the" ending.

We'll either see him between Summer-Slam & Survivor Series, or it'll be an HBK/AJ Styles/Kurt Angle triple threat.

 :)


Anything is possible but as of right now, he says he's done with wrestling and wants to be with his family. He had a phenomenal and lucrative career so he has no shame or reason to look back.


Title: Re: Wrestlemania 26 results for those who may have missed it...
Post by: Playboy on March 30, 2010, 09:13:26 AM
They definately lived up to their reps, thats for sure.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on March 30, 2010, 12:28:37 PM
In his farwell though Michaels said he wouldn't work for anyone else??? He could definitely be TNA bound. I really hope he doesn't do that.


Maybe you're wright.
I don't think he's old enough to join the TNA roster.
 ;)


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Playboy on March 31, 2010, 06:46:41 AM

Maybe you're wright.
I don't think he's old enough to join the TNA roster.
 ;)
He is very busy with his church as he is a born again Christian and he is very serious about it. Aside from that he always said he wanted to spend more time with his family. I don't think he's going anywhere. Maybe the odd cameo in the WWE from time to time maybe as a guest host or ref but thats it. He has been in the WWE since 1988 and never once did he go anywhere.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on April 05, 2010, 01:07:25 PM
The Wrestling Observer is reporting that WrestleMania 26 is currently the third highest grossing WrestleMania PPV in event history in terms of gate sales.
The total income for the PPV at the gate was $5.8 million.

WrestleMania 24 took in $5.85 million, and WrestleMania 25 took in $7.2 million.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on April 05, 2010, 04:20:35 PM
TNA is still learning.
I think they maybe should have learned a little more before making the decision to go head-to-head with Titan.

I predict some major changes for WWE after this November.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: chaos on April 05, 2010, 04:29:12 PM
TNA is still learning.
I think they maybe should have learned a little more before making the decision to go head-to-head with Titan.

I predict some major changes for WWE after this November.

Like getting rid of that lame as fuck "PG" rating? ::)

I miss the Attitude era. :'(


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on April 05, 2010, 05:10:36 PM
After the senate elections (whether Linda wins or loses) WWE won’t have to worry about preserving such a squeaky clean image.

At least, I hope that’s how it will work out.
I still maintain that Vince knows & remembers the formula that’s worked best for him.
If given the opportunity, I believe he will capitalize on it.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on April 05, 2010, 05:12:23 PM
Don’t forget that the old man had to tone things way down after asshole Benoit’s incident.
That’s when the content started to cheese up & the wellness policy was put in place.
That was 2007.

Time has always been Vince’s greatest buffer.
He wanted to go edgier prior to the “Attitude Era,” but had to lay low due to the steroid & sex scandals of the early 90's.

It took about 3 more years before the birth of in-ring beer drinking and middle fingers.
And, it’s been almost that long since Benoit fukked things up.



Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on April 06, 2010, 02:07:40 AM
I hope so, but we need to remember that the late 90’s saw some exceptional talent who possessed the ability to pull it off – both writers and wrestlers.

Time will tell if this current crop can (or, will become able to) do it.



Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Playboy on April 06, 2010, 04:21:47 AM
Don’t forget that the old man had to tone things way down after asshole Benoit’s incident.
That’s when the content started to cheese up & the wellness policy was put in place.
That was 2007.

Time has always been Vince’s greatest buffer.
He wanted to go edgier prior to the “Attitude Era,” but had to lay low due to the steroid & sex scandals of the early 90's.

It took about 3 more years before the birth of in-ring beer drinking and middle fingers.
And, it’s been almost that long since Benoit fukked things up.


Very true. Time heels everything. I just hope it happens sooner than later.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: MCWAY on April 11, 2010, 08:04:20 AM
Don’t forget that the old man had to tone things way down after asshole Benoit’s incident.
That’s when the content started to cheese up & the wellness policy was put in place.
That was 2007.

Time has always been Vince’s greatest buffer.
He wanted to go edgier prior to the “Attitude Era,” but had to lay low due to the steroid & sex scandals of the early 90's.

It took about 3 more years before the birth of in-ring beer drinking and middle fingers.
And, it’s been almost that long since Benoit fukked things up.



Why risk going "edgier" as this point? McMahon goes by the old adage, "If it ain't broke don't fix it".

To put things in persepctive, in the 90s, only two Wrestlemanias were in football/baseball staduims: Wretlemania 6 (1990) and Wrestlemania 8 (1992).

In the 2000s, there have been six: WrestleManias 17, 18, 19, 23-25. If you count this past WrestleMnia and the fact that next year's event will be in the Georgia Dome, in Atlanta, that bumps up to EIGHT.



Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on April 11, 2010, 09:00:47 AM
MC:
I didn’t know you followed wrestling.
Welcome to the geek-board!


Vince isn’t doing the numbers he did during the “Attitude Era.”
He rode high on the simplistic “Hulkamania paradigm” from about 1984-91.
(WM III at the Silverdome set an indoor attendance record that still stands.)

Things began to progressively stale after that.
Shortly after that time, Vince saw what Todd Gordon & Paul Heyman were successfully doing with ECW.  
The old man was smart enough to realize that times (& his fans) were changing and wanted to take the Fed in a similar direction, but had to postpone those plans due to the sex scandals & Zahorian steroid trial.
Basically, he didn’t want his company to assume a hardcore, raunchy image with all the heat it had on it at the time.

Once the dust settled, Vince ushered out the clowns & plumbers, and modified what was left of his new roster - bringing in the swearing, lingerie matches, and in-ring beer drinking & middle fingers.
Ratings, popularity, and revenue went through the roof – higher than they’d been with even Hogan!    

Business was good...
 
Then on one warm July night in 2007, an Edmonton transplant living in Georgia murdered his wife & kid before hanging himself from a lat pulldown in his home gym.

Vince took a major beating from the media once again, and almost immediately abandoned the “Attitude” and implemented a strict drug Wellness Policy, drastically toning down everything including his ratings.

While WWE is still a money-making machine, it’s not doing the numbers it did 5 years ago.
Unless Vince’s ego and drive have diminished with age, I suspect he will want one last mega-run before handing over the business to Stephanie.
But to do that, he’ll have to revert back to the last formula that brought him to that dance.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Hulkster on April 11, 2010, 02:52:25 PM
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While WWE is still a money-making machine, it’s not doing the numbers it did 5 years ago.

yes. the Ultimate Warrior needs to do a run in and boost ratings. 8)


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Playboy on April 12, 2010, 04:00:59 AM
yes. the Ultimate Warrior needs to do a run in and boost ratings. 8)
Nah...Warrior already made 6 million in his lawsuit back in 1996 against WWE to attain rights to his name.

Vince will not do anything that will give him scrutiny in the media especially when it comes down to drugs.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Hulkster on April 12, 2010, 12:50:55 PM
I always laughed at how on the Ultimate Warrior DVD (a very negative DVD) they had to put HIS trademark on the bottom of the screen at the end because he owns the rights to the name..

he press slammed Vince in court.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: The Showstoppa on April 12, 2010, 12:59:21 PM
I'm just wondering what I'm supposed to do with my oWn t-shirt?  8)


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Hulkster on April 12, 2010, 01:00:22 PM
hahaa the One Warrior Nation. I forgot about that


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on April 12, 2010, 02:07:06 PM
I always laughed at how on the Ultimate Warrior DVD (a very negative DVD) they had to put HIS trademark on the bottom of the screen at the end because he owns the rights to the name..

he press slammed Vince in court.


I really believe that DVD was more about proving a point than making money.

I’m sure Vince didn’t mind pocketing some dough, but more than that, I think he just wanted to prove that he’ll always be able to exercise some degree of power & ownership over his former talent – even the “Ultimate” one.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Playboy on April 13, 2010, 03:30:14 AM
I'm just wondering what I'm supposed to do with my oWn t-shirt?  8)
Use it to check the oil on your car.  :)


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: MCWAY on April 13, 2010, 10:48:57 AM
I always laughed at how on the Ultimate Warrior DVD (a very negative DVD) they had to put HIS trademark on the bottom of the screen at the end because he owns the rights to the name..

he press slammed Vince in court.

Did he? As I understand the suit was $6 million vs. Helwig getting the rights to the Ultimate Warrior name and character. Does that mean that McMahon simply gave him the rights to the name vs. coughing up the money?


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Playboy on April 13, 2010, 11:19:22 AM
Did he? As I understand the suit was $6 million vs. Helwig getting the rights to the Ultimate Warrior name and character. Does that mean that McMahon simply gave him the rights to the name vs. coughing up the money?
Warrior sued McMahon and was awarded his name AND 6 mill from a judge.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: MCWAY on April 13, 2010, 11:55:48 AM
Warrior sued McMahon and was awarded his name AND 6 mill from a judge.

I've never seen anything stating that. Every source I've read about it claims that Warrior simply won the rights to the name, not that he got the money.

And, he recently lost his lawsuit against WWE for making "The Self-Destruction of The Ultimate Warrior". WWE and Warrior, however, came to an agreement and waived the court costs that Warrior had to pay.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on April 13, 2010, 12:22:04 PM
It was stupid for Hellwig to try suing over that DVD.
Yet, I knew he would.
He may own the rights to the UW name & likeness, but Vince owns all the WWF footage that UW appears on.

The footage shot before Hellwig acquired the UW rights is property of Titan.
The stuff shot after Jim’s acquisition was done in contractual agreement with WWF.
Warrior’s paycheck for that work constitutes the financial compensation WWF paid to use the UW character – a licensing fee or lease, if you will.

Essentially, any footage of UW for which WWE reimbursed him is Vince’s property.
And unless there was some kind of contractual agreement regarding future use, Vince can do whatever he wants to with that footage without having to answer to Hellwig.

Jim can do whatever he wants with the UW persona.
But he can’t stop Vince from doing whatever he wants with the material he paid for years ago.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Hulkster on April 13, 2010, 12:35:00 PM
true.

if you notice, WM6 stuff with warrior always pops up in video montages.

I am sure if Vince had to pay Warrior royalties each time it was shown, it would not have appeared.



Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on April 13, 2010, 01:23:22 PM
I suspect that the only way Hellwig could successfully sue Vince is if the old man did something “new” with the UW character – like giving someone else the gimmick (similar to what they did with Doink).
Then Jim could say, “Hey, you can’t do that. I own the sole rights to that gimmick, and you can’t use it.”

Vince can do as he pleases with the portion he already paid for.
The rest belongs to Jim.    
Unfortunately for Jim, the most valuable portion of the Ultimate Warrior belongs to WWE - and ironically, Hellwig can't touch that.



Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Hulkster on April 13, 2010, 02:24:22 PM
the one thing I must say that I do admire about Jim is that he has basically said 'Fuck You' to Vince, owned him in court and basically didn't come crawling back like everyone else - at least after his career was done.

even Bret gave in eventually.

I was very surprised to see him in a WWE ring again. to be honest, I guess I lost a little respect for him.

after what Vince did to him, he never should have come back.

morals are important IMO.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on April 13, 2010, 02:34:02 PM
I agree with you.
But, I also suspect that Bret wasn’t happy with either his WWF or overall career ending.

This last run may be the closest thing to the “high note” that Bret always wanted to end on.
Improved relations may also help the Dynasty.
I haven’t been keeping tabs, but I suspect that Bret may do some future work with the Fed – at least, in some capacity.

I also think he'll probably work to get Owen some commercial recognition, although the toughest battle there will likely be with Martha.



Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Playboy on April 14, 2010, 05:21:17 AM
I've never seen anything stating that. Every source I've read about it claims that Warrior simply won the rights to the name, not that he got the money.

And, he recently lost his lawsuit against WWE for making "The Self-Destruction of The Ultimate Warrior". WWE and Warrior, however, came to an agreement and waived the court costs that Warrior had to pay.
Watch the Warrior DVD. Jim Ross stated that he was awarded 6 mil.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Playboy on April 14, 2010, 05:25:40 AM
It was stupid for Hellwig to try suing over that DVD.
Yet, I knew he would.
He may own the rights to the UW name & likeness, but Vince owns all the WWF footage that UW appears on.

The footage shot before Hellwig acquired the UW rights is property of Titan.
The stuff shot after Jim’s acquisition was done in contractual agreement with WWF.
Warrior’s paycheck for that work constitutes the financial compensation WWF paid to use the UW character – a licensing fee or lease, if you will.

Essentially, any footage of UW for which WWE reimbursed him is Vince’s property.
And unless there was some kind of contractual agreement regarding future use, Vince can do whatever he wants to with that footage without having to answer to Hellwig.

Jim can do whatever he wants with the UW persona.
But he can’t stop Vince from doing whatever he wants with the material he paid for years ago.

Spot on to that post! Warrior will never be satisfied. He is constantly suing people (not just WWE) for rights to this and rights to that and other bullshit. He is a freakin tool.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: MCWAY on April 15, 2010, 05:05:25 PM
Watch the Warrior DVD. Jim Ross stated that he was awarded 6 mil.

No he doesn't. I have the DVD and just watched it shortly after making that post, earlier.

Jim Ross: "The fact that he would file a multi-million dollar lawsuit, to acquire the rights to his name.......one would think you're doing it for business purposes.

And later, during that section regarding the lawsuit, Ross is a bit dismissive about it.

If that lawsuit allowed him to have the rights to his name, you know, good for him.

So, once again, where is the confirmation that Helwig did indeed get 6 million dollars along with the rights to the "Ultimate Warrior" name?


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Playboy on April 16, 2010, 04:56:23 AM
No he doesn't. I have the DVD and just watched it shortly after making that post, earlier.

Jim Ross: "The fact that he would file a multi-million dollar lawsuit, to acquire the rights to his name.......one would think you're doing it for business purposes.

And later, during that section regarding the lawsuit, Ross is a bit dismissive about it.

If that lawsuit allowed him to have the rights to his name, you know, good for him.

So, once again, where is the confirmation that Helwig did indeed get 6 million dollars along with the rights to the "Ultimate Warrior" name?

Chill. No need to be self righteous  ::) From Wrestlefest site...

The WWE and Warrior Settle Lawsuit

Published September 20th, 2009 in Headlines


Reports are indicating that the lawsuit Warrior (Ultimate Warrior) filed against WWE back in January 2006 regarding the Self Destruction of The Ultimate Warrior DVD is over. Judge Douglas L. Rayes ruled that Warrior could not sue Vince for damages over the WWE’s comments about him on the DVD. Warrior filed a claim stating that the DVD violated a March 2000 Settlement Agreement between the WWE and Ultimate Creations Inc, which is Warrior’s Arizona corporation. That agreement allowed the WWE to use footage of Warrior, but that Warrior owned the rights and trademarks to the Ultimate Warrior character and could use them in any future venue as he decreed. It was also agreed that both parties would “not disparage each other”. The WWE agreed to pay $890,000 to Warrior’s Ultimate Creations as part of the settlement agreement. This fails in comparison to Warriors past lawsuit for rights to his name when he was awarded by a New York court the sum of 6 million dollars. The case had been dragging, and during his appearances, it was found that Warrior made “publicly disparaging claims” against the WWE. It was ruled that Warrior himself breached the contract, and that he was not legally able to receive damages for the same thing he accused WWE of.



Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: MCWAY on April 16, 2010, 05:30:30 AM
Chill. No need to be self righteous  ::) From Wrestlefest site...

The WWE and Warrior Settle Lawsuit

Published September 20th, 2009 in Headlines


Reports are indicating that the lawsuit Warrior (Ultimate Warrior) filed against WWE back in January 2006 regarding the Self Destruction of The Ultimate Warrior DVD is over. Judge Douglas L. Rayes ruled that Warrior could not sue Vince for damages over the WWE’s comments about him on the DVD. Warrior filed a claim stating that the DVD violated a March 2000 Settlement Agreement between the WWE and Ultimate Creations Inc, which is Warrior’s Arizona corporation. That agreement allowed the WWE to use footage of Warrior, but that Warrior owned the rights and trademarks to the Ultimate Warrior character and could use them in any future venue as he decreed. It was also agreed that both parties would “not disparage each other”. The WWE agreed to pay $890,000 to Warrior’s Ultimate Creations as part of the settlement agreement. This fails in comparison to Warriors past lawsuit for rights to his name when he was awarded by a New York court the sum of 6 million dollars. The case had been dragging, and during his appearances, it was found that Warrior made “publicly disparaging claims” against the WWE. It was ruled that Warrior himself breached the contract, and that he was not legally able to receive damages for the same thing he accused WWE of.



I wasn't being self-righteous. I merely pointed out that Ross does NOT confirm on the "Self-Destruction...." DVD that Helwig actually got the $6 million, just the rights to the Warrior name. And, I hadn't seen any reports that he got the money, until now. All I've seen, until now, was that he won the rights to the Ultimate Warrior name.



Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Playboy on April 16, 2010, 06:07:15 AM
I wasn't being self-righteous. I merely pointed out that Ross does NOT confirm on the "Self-Destruction...." DVD that Helwig actually got the $6 million, just the rights to the Warrior name. And, I hadn't seen any reports that he got the money, until now. All I've seen, until now, was that he won the rights to the Ultimate Warrior name.


Now you have your answer. Cheers.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Playboy on April 19, 2010, 11:22:46 AM
I think Undertaker is gonna face HHH next year. Then Cena the next for his 20th win.
Are we even gonna have a Raw show tonight? I read that the Raw oster is still stuck in Europe due to flight cancellations from that volcanic ash.  ???


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: MCWAY on April 19, 2010, 11:38:21 AM
I think Undertaker is gonna face HHH next year. Then Cena the next for his 20th win.

I don't see that working, unless it's a title match. Besides, the streak loses a bit of its luster, if 'Taker keeps facing men he's beaten already.

Kane, twice; Michaels, twice. I'd say one match against Cena; he's really the only guy left, worth facing that the Deadman hasn't defeated at WrestleMania.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on April 19, 2010, 11:51:10 AM
Vince needs to start building up some new talent QUICK!!!


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: MCWAY on April 19, 2010, 11:53:43 AM
Vince needs to start building up some new talent QUICK!!!

He already has. The Cenas, Ortons, Batistas etc. will replace guys like Helmsley and 'Taker. Plus, you have Punk, Swagger, Kingston, Miz, Morrison, Sheamus, etc.



Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on April 19, 2010, 12:08:31 PM
I’ll give the benefit of the doubt, but until/unless they continue to improve by leaps & bounds, I cannot consider someone like Miz or even Swagger as a suitable “replacement” for the Undertaker.
That would be like replacing filet mignon with chicken McNuggets. 
And not the good, old-fashioned McNuggets, either – I mean the newer “healthier” ones.

But, I digress...

Punk, on the other hand, has impressed the hell out of me.
Despite his look (or lack, thereof), he's come a long way.
I remember working indy shows with him 6 years ago.
I always smile to myself that he made it to the Fed., as I'd always pegged him as a ROH/indy worker-4-life.



Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Playboy on April 20, 2010, 03:32:45 AM
Vince needs to start building up some new talent QUICK!!!
The only way that will happen is if he signs new talant asap. Thats Vince's problem. Before he had Jim Ross, Jim Cornette, Paul Heyman & Bruce Pritchard scouting different talant across the world. Now he has nobody experienced doing that.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on April 20, 2010, 11:26:48 AM
What kind of impact do you think Heyman would have on TNA?


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Playboy on April 21, 2010, 03:12:45 AM
What kind of impact do you think Heyman would have on TNA?
He'll be good backstage as he knows the business well. He can help the talant, sign new talant, scout, etc. From what I have heard, TNA is trying to sign Jim Ross & Heyman.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on April 21, 2010, 04:47:37 AM
Supposedly, Ross & Taz keep in touch.
When is JR’s contract up?
I just could never see him leaving the Fed.

Time could prove me wrong.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on April 21, 2010, 08:02:06 AM
From wrestlezone.com:

According to a high level source within TNA, Jim Ross has had a meeting with TNA officials concerning the possibility of signing with the company.

"I was informed that within the past week or so, Ross met with both TNA President Dixie Carter and Dean Broadhead, the CFO of TNA, and the two sides discussed the possibility of Jim Ross signing with TNA. I was told TNA has interest in bringing JR into the company as they are still in the process of trying to "shake things up" on TV."

It should be noted that this was just a meeting, and should not be taken to mean that Ross has signed, or is going to sign with TNA.

Currently, JR is still under contract with WWE, but the deal expires on April 30th.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Playboy on April 22, 2010, 04:03:22 AM
From wrestlezone.com:

According to a high level source within TNA, Jim Ross has had a meeting with TNA officials concerning the possibility of signing with the company.

"I was informed that within the past week or so, Ross met with both TNA President Dixie Carter and Dean Broadhead, the CFO of TNA, and the two sides discussed the possibility of Jim Ross signing with TNA. I was told TNA has interest in bringing JR into the company as they are still in the process of trying to "shake things up" on TV."

It should be noted that this was just a meeting, and should not be taken to mean that Ross has signed, or is going to sign with TNA.

Currently, JR is still under contract with WWE, but the deal expires on April 30th.

WWE has treated Jim Ross like shit from day 1. Yet Jim Ross always kept coming back and has always been a company "yes" man. It would not surprise me one bit if he wound up in TNA. The same water holds for Heyman.


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on April 22, 2010, 09:59:57 AM
Ross strikes me as someone who’s been smart enough with his money & business affairs that he doesn’t need to rely on WWE.

He could most likely take a pay cut (if that be the case) in TNA and not have to worry about paying the bills.
And if it means he'd be happier overall, all the better.


I think the more reliant you are on Vince, the more he likes you because that translates to a form of control he has over you.

Ross is educated, had plenty of other work experience, and was “somebody” outside of WWF.
Basically, Vince didn’t “have him by the balls,” so to speak.
Less control.
Good for J.R.
Go where you’re happy!


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Hulkster on April 23, 2010, 07:44:43 PM
I always wondered when JR got Bell's Palsy, something I got when younger (the paralysis in my left face came back after a month or so) was the firing real or just part of a story line?

seems to me that you could sue pretty successfully for being fired from a job because of an affliction that you could not prevent (they still don't know what causes Bell's Palsy) and it did not prevent you from doing your job (JR could speak fine)

if it was real, holy crap they did treat him like shit.. :-\


Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Montague on April 24, 2010, 07:21:02 AM
The first time he was fired in Feb of ‘94 was for real. That was right after his first BP attack.

He was brought back a short time later to fill in for Vince, who’d been federally indicted.
When Vince was acquitted, they let JR go again.
I’m not sure what kind of arrangement they had, but Ross was hired again just before ‘95’s Mania.


As far as I know, all of the subsequent “firings” were worked.
The one where the McMahon family fired him was a story line excuse for Ross’ absence while he had, and recovered from, colon surgery.

I honestly don’t know what kind of personal feelings JR has towards his employers, but he’s been with the company for the better part of 16 years.
“Something” there is worth him staying.
I doubt he needs WWE for anything at this point in his life.




Title: Re: WrestleMania Results & Discussion:
Post by: Playboy on April 27, 2010, 03:36:12 AM
Maybe not needs it so to speak? But JR definitely had one of my dream jobs. All that excitement would be hard to give up.
With regards to WWE commentators, is it just me or does Matt Striker get on your nerves?