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Title: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 03, 2010, 11:39:55 AM
Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
The Obama File ^ | Feb 1, 2010 | The Obama File

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Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 5:35:11 PM by opentalk

Private investigator Neil Sankey, using Intelius, Lexis Nexis, Choice Point and other public records, found around 25 Social Security numbers connected with Barack Obama’s name.

However, it may not be as many as 25, since Sankey also searched using closely related names such as: "Barak Obama," "Batock Obama," "Barok Obama," and "Barrack Obama." There may very well be some Kenyans living in America with the same last name and a similar first name. In any case, I will exclude these records for the purpose of this research and focus only on names spelled exactly like his name.

Moreover, we can verify many of the Social Security numbers as valid since they’re connected to addresses at which we know Obama resided. Needless to say, there are also a slew of address and social security numbers connected to addresses in states that Obama has no known connection to.

In Obama’s home state, Illinois, Sankey tracked down 16 different addresses for a Barack Obama or a Barack H. Obama, of which all are addresses he was known to have lived at. Two Social Security numbers appear for these addresses, one beginning with 042, and one starting 364.

In California, where Obama attended Occidental College, there are six addresses listed for him, all within easy driving distance of the college. However, there are three Social Security numbers connected to these addresses, 537 and two others, each beginning with 999, which are not valid SSNs.

There are no addresses listed in New York where he attended Columbia University, but there is one listed for him in nearby Jackson, NJ, with a Social Security number beginning with 485.

In Massachusetts -- where Obama attended Harvard Law School -- we find three addresses, all using the 042 Social Security number. After Obama was elected to the United States Senate in 2005, he moved into an apartment at 300 Massachusetts Ave NW; the Social Security number attached to that address is the 042 one. Yet, three years later, Obama used a different Social Security number for an address listed as: 713 Hart Senate Office Building. This was the address of his United States Senate office. This Social Security number began with 282 and was verified by the government in 2008.

This mystery grows even stranger as other addresses and Social Security numbers for Barack Obama appear in a dozen other states not known to be connected to him. Again, I am excluding those records names not spelled exactly like his name.

Tennessee, one address with a Social Security number beginning with 427

Colorado, one address, with a Social Security number beginning with 456.

Utah, two addresses, with two Social Security numbers beginning with 901 and 799.

Missouri has one address and one Social Security number beginning with 999.

Florida has two addresses listed for his him, three if you count one listed as "Barry Obama." One is connected to a Social Security number beginning with 762.

In Georgia there are three addresses listed for him, all with different Social Security numbers: 579, 420, and 423.

In Texas there are four different addresses listed for him, one is connected to Social Security number 675.

There are two addresses listed for Barack Obama in Oregon and one address listed for him in the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, South Carolina, and Pennsylvania.

All told, there are 49 addresses and 16 different Social Security numbers listed for a person whose name is spelled "Barack Obama." In some cases, the middle initial "H" is listed. If you were to expand the search to include closely related names such as: "Barac," "Barak," and "Barrack" Obama, you would find more than a dozen additional addresses and Social Security numbers.

Finally, the one Social Security number Obama most frequently used, the one beginning with 042, is a number issued in Connecticut sometime during 1976-1977, yet there is no record of Obama ever living or working in Connecticut. Indeed, during this time period Obama would have been 15-16 years old and living in Hawaii at the time.

Extracted from an article by Steve Baldwin. Read the whole thing here . . .

Susan Daniels, a second investigator filed an affidavit, with true and correct copies here, in the Barnett v. Obama case. Susan Daniels is a private investigator, licensed by the State of Ohio.

In her affidavit, Daniels states that she has located Barack Obama's Social Security Number. She states it was issued between 1977 and 1979 in the State of Connecticut. She states that it is the only Social Security Number Barack Obama ever used.

The number assigned to Barack Obama "appears to be associated with someone born in the year 1890."


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: saopl on March 03, 2010, 11:45:42 AM
he's turning into a freak show, give it about 50 years and we'll know the truth


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: SAMSON123 on March 03, 2010, 11:47:27 AM
Holy Smokes...This guy could be a virtual Houdini with this many SS


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 03, 2010, 11:49:44 AM
he's turning into a freak show, give it about 50 years and we'll know the truth

This has always been out there, but I tyhink it has to do with his refusal to release any records whatsoever about his past. 

Look, is it all CT stuff?  OF COURSE!  But these are the records not released so far:

 Obama's records that are not released.
1. Occidental College records -- Not released
2. Columbia College records -- Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper -- 'not available'
4. Harvard College records -- Not released
5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released
6. Medical records -- Not released (This list predated the present one but probably was not released due to his cocaine abuse)
7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- 'not available'
8. Law practice client list -- Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - - Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published -- None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None
13. Your Record of baptism-- Not released or 'not available'
14. Your Illinois State Senate records--'not available'


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: kcballer on March 03, 2010, 12:01:33 PM
Wow so he's a secret agent Kenyan who never attended university, was born in Kenya to muslim parents, is a racist radical who hates America and is just wanting to hook up with his other 'NWO' buddies so they can all destroy and dominate the world via a socialist regime.  Okay i think i got it.  Oh wait i forgot Al Gore and the green NWO are also involved.  Silly me.  Where does 9/11, rothschild, kennedy assassination, illuminati and reptillian blood suckers all fit into this 333? 


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Kazan on March 03, 2010, 12:03:30 PM
Nice to see that he was vetted so well ::) How the fuck does somone who uses 16 differnet SS#'s get elected to dog catcher let alone the POTUS


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Option D on March 03, 2010, 12:03:54 PM
Wow so he's a secret agent Kenyan who never attended university, was born in Kenya to muslim parents, is a racist radical who hates America and is just wanting to hook up with his other 'NWO' buddies so they can all destroy and dominate the world via a socialist regime.  Okay i think i got it.  Oh wait i forgot Al Gore and the green NWO are also involved.  Silly me.  Where does 9/11, rothschild, kennedy assassination, illuminati and reptillian blood suckers all fit into this 333? 

he invented the inter-web thingy


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 03, 2010, 12:04:43 PM
Wow so he's a

secret agent - no, probably just a run of the mill NWO shill.

Kenyan who never attended university - Kenyan maybe but I do believe he went to columbia  

Born in Kenya to muslim parents - probably.

 is a racist radical who hates America - without any doubt in my mind.

and is just wanting to hook up with his other 'NWO' buddies so they can all destroy and dominate the world via a socialist regime. - 1000%


Okay i think i got it.  - not really.  


Oh wait i forgot Al Gore and the green NWO are also involved.  Silly me. - yes.  Silly you, wake the hell up dude and read Creature from Jekyll Island.  

Where does 9/11, rothschild, kennedy assassination, illuminati and reptillian blood suckers all fit into this 333 - Not sure yet.  ;D 



Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: BodyProSite on March 03, 2010, 02:59:40 PM
could you imagine the shitstorm the libs would have made if gb had 16 diff ss numbers and didnt release the same documents that the bammer refuses to release?


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: blacken700 on March 03, 2010, 05:26:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ketJSP-bv3k


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Title: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 27, 2010, 05:33:30 PM
New Hawaii governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Hot Air ^ | December 27, 2010 | Allahpundit


Exceptionally stupid. Although, if he’s intent on digging up background on The One, I wouldn’t mind seeing what he comes up with by way of transcripts from Columbia.

“It’s an insult to his mother and to his father, and I knew his mother and father; they were my friends, and I have an emotional interest in that,” Governor Abercrombie said in a telephone interview late Thursday. “It’s an emotional insult. It is disrespectful to the president; it is disrespectful to the office.”

The governor, a Democrat and former congressman, said he has initiated conversations with the state’s attorney general and the chief of its Health Department about how he can release more explicit documentation of Mr. Obama’s birth on Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital. He said he has done so of his own accord, without consulting the White House, which declined to comment…

Mr. Abercrombie, 72, said that although he did not see the elder Obamas at the hospital with their newborn son, he did remember the couple bringing the baby to social events. He says the critics who suggest that Mr. Obama’s mother slipped off to Kenya to give birth are engaging in a “demonological fantasy.” And he is angry about legislation in several states that would require presidential candidates to document that they were born in this country. A similar bill died in Congress last year.

First, and apropos of nothing, my mind is blown by the fact that the governor of Hawaii remembers the president of the United States as an infant. But never mind that.

Why is this tool dredging up an issue that, mercifully, had begun to go away? Hawaii’s records department received only 16 requests for Obama’s birth certificate in November, down from 50 or so a month last year. Higher courts have waved away multiple Birther petitions, and the court-martial of Lt. Col. Terry Lakin ended with him pleading guilty to failing to report for duty. This subject has no traction, in other words, either legally or in mainstream media, and thus had probably never been fringier when Abercrombie spoke up and decided to treat it as a problem that needs solving. Even his personal testimony about having seen Obama as a baby in Hawaii won’t count for anything among true believers, since he admits that he wasn’t at the hospital for the delivery — which is too bad, since it would have been fun to watch them come up with theories to explain even that inconvenient fact away. (It was a changeling!)

This guy’s now placed himself in the following position. Either he inadvertently revives the Birther movement by crusading for a new law to make long-form birth certificates public without the approval of the individuals to whom they belong or he decides nothing can be done legally and backs off, which will itself inflame Birthers by inspiring dark theories about pressure on him from the White House to quiet down. And of course, since Abercrombie’s a liberal Democrat, if he does somehow manage to produce the long-form certificate and it confirms that Obama’s birth happened as alleged, skeptics will dismiss it as a forgery planted by an ideological ally to throw Birthers off the scent of the “real” birth certificate. He can’t win here. Why would he even try?

(VIDEO AT LINK)



Title: Re: Hawaii overnor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 27, 2010, 05:35:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMD3o_9F7og


Title: Re: Hawaii overnor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Dos Equis on December 27, 2010, 05:36:45 PM
Not an Abercrombie fan, but he's doing the right thing. 


Title: Re: Hawaii overnor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 27, 2010, 05:38:12 PM
Can he release this on his own?


Title: Re: Hawaii overnor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Dos Equis on December 27, 2010, 05:39:41 PM
Can he release this on his own?

Not sure if he can release the original BC without Obama's consent.   


Title: Re: Hawaii overnor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 27, 2010, 05:40:30 PM
Not sure if he can release the original BC without Obama's consent.   

So again - WTF is problem releasing the long form BC?


Title: Re: Hawaii overnor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Dos Equis on December 27, 2010, 05:46:53 PM
So again - WTF is problem releasing the long form BC?

They cite privacy issues.  I think Obama should release it, but this is really not a good fight IMO. 


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 27, 2010, 06:00:19 PM
I think he is hiding something.  Why pay lawyers hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep this hidden?


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: doison on December 30, 2010, 05:41:52 AM
I think he is hiding something.  Why pay lawyers hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep this hidden?

His BC probably lists his and/or his parent's religion as "Muslim." 

I've always thought his "concern" is more likely to be something specific on his US birth certificate rather than the lack of one altogether.


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Dos Equis on December 30, 2010, 07:16:53 PM
His BC probably lists his and/or his parent's religion as "Muslim." 

I've always thought his "concern" is more likely to be something specific on his US birth certificate rather than the lack of one altogether.

Never thought about that, but makes sense.  I think he was born in the U.S., but the Muslim religion ID could explain why he doesn't just release it. 


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: 240 is Back on December 30, 2010, 11:59:26 PM
it's a legit question.


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Skip8282 on December 31, 2010, 08:08:04 AM
They cite privacy issues.  I think Obama should release it, but this is really not a good fight IMO. 



I disagree.  The only people who have any right to see that are those in personnel who need to make verifications.  Otherwise, it's nobody's business.


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 31, 2010, 08:12:37 AM
It looks fishy and it most likly is.   

Its not only the BC, its his SAT, LSAT, college records, an everything else.  Were it the BC alone, tats one thing, but in combo with everything else he is hiding, it just looks fishy. 


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Skip8282 on December 31, 2010, 08:24:50 AM
It looks fishy and it most likly is.   

Its not only the BC, its his SAT, LSAT, college records, an everything else.  Were it the BC alone, tats one thing, but in combo with everything else he is hiding, it just looks fishy. 


Yes, but just about everything you want to see is private, confidential information.  And the only people privy to that, or should be privy to that, is personnel dept.


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 31, 2010, 08:54:23 AM
if it's released and it shows Obama was born in Hawaii, I wonder if the birthers will voice any type of "oops, sorry, we were way off base and wrong" or will they just magically vanish without a word?


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 31, 2010, 08:57:25 AM
if it's released and it shows Obama was born in Hawaii, I wonder if the birthers will voice any type of "oops, sorry, we were way off base and wrong" or will they just magically vanish without a word?

Sure it will look stupid Hugo - but this is not happening in a vacuum.   Its along with Barry sealing everything else as well, his high scool records, college records, law school records, SAT, LSAT, etc tc.   

Check this out - in Barry's America - i am forced by jail and fine to show proof of health insurance on my income tax return but the POTUS does not have to reveal a damn thing about himself. 

What an upside down nation we have. 


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: boonasty on December 31, 2010, 09:10:42 AM
His BC probably lists his and/or his parent's religion as "Muslim." 


if that is the case, he ought to release it now.  he already is the president and it's widely held he's a muslim anyway


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: 240 is Back on December 31, 2010, 09:57:53 AM
if that is the case, he ought to release it now.  he already is the president and it's widely held he's a muslim anyway

It might cost him an add'l 1% of voters.  And that might be the difference in a close 2012 race.

Not that it'll be a close race in 2012... ;)


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: FarRightLooney on December 31, 2010, 10:37:38 AM
if it's released and it shows Obama was born in Hawaii, I wonder if the birthers will voice any type of "oops, sorry, we were way off base and wrong" or will they just magically vanish without a word?

Nope. It will just prove he is a "native" born citizen as stated on his own fightthesmears website (if he was indeed born in HI), which is a way different animal than a "natural born Citizen" as required by our Constitution for the Office of President.

The only thing that could be on a birth certificate that would make him a legitimate president would be a citizen father (Frank Marshall Davis, Malcolm X) - which of course would just prove he has lied (and what's one more lie to this guy?).

This is just more watch this hand not the other. This has always been about his "eligibility" not his "citizenship."


Title: Re: Hawaii overnor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: FarRightLooney on December 31, 2010, 10:46:26 AM
Can he release this on his own?

Yes. I've been following this since it surfaced in mid 2008, so I've done a lot of reading. I can't cite the appropriate HI laws, but it's in HI law that if information is released by HI officials, they MUST release the underlying documents the information came from. Fukino and Lingle both gave out info that could only have come from the BC, so therefore, by HI law, they MUST release it.

This law is totally separate from the vexatious requester bill recently passed solely for Obama's BC which Abercrombie refers to in his statements.


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: 240 is Back on December 31, 2010, 11:35:24 AM
Isn't there a place where birth religion would be listed?

With a muslim dad, his probably says muslim.

And there are people out there who will scream about it.  hannity will run coountless pieces on it.  Palin will murmur "to ME, there's nothing wrong with his birth religion, but to many people..."   

Face it, from a PR standpoint, it would hurt him.  So he'll never release it.  Incredibly... people who complained about the CHRISTIAN church where he spent 20 years, will somehow claim that doesn't cancel out what his dad put on a birth cert.  SIlly.


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Skip8282 on December 31, 2010, 11:48:38 AM
Isn't there a place where birth religion would be listed?

With a muslim dad, his probably says muslim.

And there are people out there who will scream about it.  hannity will run coountless pieces on it.  Palin will murmur "to ME, there's nothing wrong with his birth religion, but to many people..."   

Face it, from a PR standpoint, it would hurt him.  So he'll never release it.  Incredibly... people who complained about the CHRISTIAN church where he spent 20 years, will somehow claim that doesn't cancel out what his dad put on a birth cert.  SIlly.



Palin?  You actually managed to work Palin into this thread?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Lec3m1pLY


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: 240 is Back on December 31, 2010, 11:56:41 AM
She is one of the top voices of the republican party, and a frontrunner for 2012.

And her "tweets" on the birth certificate would be something we'd expect, no?


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Skip8282 on December 31, 2010, 12:11:42 PM
She is one of the top voices of the republican party, and a frontrunner for 2012.

And her "tweets" on the birth certificate would be something we'd expect, no?



Top voice - yes.

Frontrunner 2012 - hahahahahahaha...not a chance in hell.

Never been on twitter, but how sad is it that you have to resort to making claims about her based on what you theorize she might say on a future "tweet".  SHE'S IN YOUR HEAD DEEEEEEP...


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: 240 is Back on December 31, 2010, 12:14:09 PM
Frontrunner 2012 - hahahahahahaha...not a chance in hell.

Polls have her in the top 3 usually.  Often right behind Mitt, and ahead of Huck. 

And she can raise a shitload more $ than any of them.

And she has a lock on the tea party/far right religious voters.



So yes, unfortunately, she is A frontrunner, if not THE frontrunner.  It's hard to think of another candidate with everything she has.  Romney is seen as a lib and Huck ain't all that exciting. 


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Skip8282 on December 31, 2010, 12:25:11 PM
Polls have her in the top 3 usually.  Often right behind Mitt, and ahead of Huck.  

Neither here nor there.


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And she can raise a shitload more $ than any of them.


That's just pure speculation.  At one time the same could have been said about Mayor G and he completely flopped.


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And she has a lock on the tea party/far right religious voters.


Even if we assumed this to be true it does not make her a frontrunner.



The very first step to being a frontrunner is having a desire to run.  You have no evidence that she has such a desire and most things that I read seem to indicate she has no such desire.  In fact, she appears to be perfectly content in a supportive role.




Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 31, 2010, 01:05:36 PM
How did palin get in to this? 


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Dos Equis on December 31, 2010, 07:13:22 PM


I disagree.  The only people who have any right to see that are those in personnel who need to make verifications.  Otherwise, it's nobody's business.

I don't think anyone has a right to see it.  I'm just talking about what he should do (not what he has to do).  He could put an end to the lawsuits, etc. that are probably unnecessarily clogging up the system.  He could shut a lot of people up.  


Title: Re: Hawaii Governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Dos Equis on December 31, 2010, 07:14:52 PM


Palin?  You actually managed to work Palin into this thread?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Lec3m1pLY

lol.  As usual.   :)


Title: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 18, 2011, 08:09:04 PM
Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate
World Net Daily ^ | 01-18-2011 | Jerome R. Corsi




Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser he was searching within the Hawaii Department of Health to find definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii, because the continuing eligibility controversy could hurt the president's chances of re-election in 2012.

Donalyn Dela Cruz, Abercrombie's spokeswoman in Honolulu, ignored again yesterday another in a series of repeated requests made by WND for an interview with the governor.

Toward the end of the interview, the newspaper asked Abercrombie: "You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plan to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming?"

In his response, Abercrombie acknowledged the birth certificate issue will have "political implications" for the next presidential election "that we simply cannot have."

Get the free, in-depth special report on eligibility that could bring an end to Obama's presidency

Suggesting he was still intent on producing more birth records on Obama from the Hawaii Department of Health vital records vault, Abercrombie told the newspaper there was a recording of the Obama birth in the state archives that he wants to make public.


(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...



Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 18, 2011, 08:24:51 PM
Abercrombie did not report to the newspaper that he or the Hawaii Department of Health had found Obama's long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate. The governor only suggested his investigations to date had identified an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives.

"It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down," Abercrombie said.

For seemingly the first time, Abercrombie frankly acknowledge that presidential politics motivated his search for Obama birth records, implying that failure to resolve the questions that remain unanswered about the president's birth and early life may damage his chance for re-election.

"If there is a political agenda (regarding Obama's birth certificate), then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president," he said.

So far, the only birth document available on Obama is a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth that first appeared on the Internet during the 2008 presidential campaign. It was posted by two purportedly independent websites that have displayed a strong partisan bias for Obama – Snopes.com released the COLB in June 2008, and FactCheck.org published photographs of the document in August 2008.

WND previously reported the Hawaii Department of Health has refused to authenticate the COLB posted on the Internet by Snopes.com and FactCheck.org.

WND has reported that in 1961, Obama's grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, could have made an in-person report of a Hawaii birth even if the infant Barack Obama Jr. had been foreign-born.

Similarly, the newspaper announcements of Obama's birth do not prove he was born in Hawaii, since they could have been triggered by the grandparents registering the birth as Hawaiian, even if the baby was born elsewhere.

Moreover, WND has documented that the address reported in the newspaper birth announcements was the home of the grandparents.

WND also has reported that Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment in Honolulu, even after he was supposedly married to Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, and that Dunham left Hawaii within three weeks of the baby's birth to attend the University of Washington in Seattle.

Dunham did not return to Hawaii until after Barack Obama Sr. left Hawaii in June 1962 to attend graduate school at Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass.

Conceivably, the yet undisclosed birth record in the state archives that Abercrombie has discovered may have come from the grandparents registering Obama's birth, an event that would have triggered both the newspaper birth announcements and availability of a Certification of Live Birth, even if no long-form birth certificate existed.

WND has also reported that Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008, has maintained that there is no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate on file with the Hawaii Department of Health and that neither Honolulu hospital – Queens Medical Center or Kapiolani Medical Center – has any record that Obama was born there.



Read more: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=252833#ixzz1BS514zoZ



Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: whork25 on January 19, 2011, 02:04:38 AM
Who cares he could be from Mars for all i care its his politics that matters


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 19, 2011, 05:20:17 AM
Yes it does matter.    Its a requirement directly in the US Const.   


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Kazan on January 19, 2011, 05:44:42 AM
Who cares he could be from Mars for all i care its his politics that matters

The village idiot speaks ::)


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: newmom on January 19, 2011, 05:46:40 AM
who cares if its a long or short form of a BC..just provide it for heavens sake


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: whork25 on January 19, 2011, 05:51:41 AM
The village idiot speaks ::)

SO i guess you care more from where he is from than his politics?


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 19, 2011, 05:52:10 AM
who cares if its a long or short form of a BC..just provide it for heavens sake


Because the COLB is likely total bullshit as we said and a long form BC may not exist since he possibly was born in Kenya like the grandmother said.    


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 19, 2011, 05:52:47 AM
SO i guess you care more from where he is from than his politics?

Its a direct requirement in the US Const.   


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Kazan on January 19, 2011, 05:56:32 AM
SO i guess you care more from where he is from than his politics?

What don't you understand? Is it that hard for you to comprehend that it is a CONSTITUTIONAL requirement that you be a natural born citizen to become the POTUS?  It would be ILLEGAL for Obama to hold the office if he is not, therefore any legislation he signed would be ILLEGAL. But why let little things like that get in the way ::)


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: whork25 on January 19, 2011, 05:56:52 AM
Its a direct requirement in the US Const.   

Fair enough



Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: whork25 on January 19, 2011, 05:57:35 AM
What don't you understand? Is it that hard for you to comprehend that it is a CONSTITUTIONAL requirement that you be a natural born citizen to become the POTUS?  It would be ILLEGAL for Obama to hold the office if he is not, therefore any legislation he signed would be ILLEGAL. But why let little things like that get in the way ::)

So you want to remove him from office then?


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Kazan on January 19, 2011, 05:58:40 AM
So you want to remove him from office then?

If it can be proven that he is not a natural born citizen of the US then your damn right I want him removed


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: newmom on January 19, 2011, 05:59:26 AM
So you want to remove him from office then?

if he refuses or cannot produce one HELL YEA


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: whork25 on January 19, 2011, 06:03:42 AM
If it can be proven that he is not a natural born citizen of the US then your damn right I want him removed

Ok cool


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 19, 2011, 06:10:07 AM
If it can be proven that he is not a natural born citizen of the US then your damn right I want him removed

And I want him jailed if that is the case for KNOWINGLY pulling this scam as well as everyone else who helped cover it up.

________________________ ____________-

   Obama's records that are not released.

1. Occidental College records -- Not released
2. Columbia College records -- Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper -- 'not available'
4. Harvard College records -- Not released
5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released
6. Medical records -- Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- 'not available'
8. Law practice client list -- Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - - Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published -- None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None
13. Your Record of baptism-- Not released or 'not available'
14. Your Illinois State Senate records--'not available'
 


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 19, 2011, 06:15:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBJihJBePcs


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: 240 is Back on January 19, 2011, 06:18:31 AM

Because the COLB is likely total bullshit as we said and a long form BC may not exist since he possibly was born in Kenya like the grandmother said.   

1) I agree with the birthers lol...

2)  However, to argue with you, as we do here...

You trust the word of an elderly foreigner (with potentially an ax to grind) over the word of a sane and stable governor of one of the United States? 



Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 19, 2011, 06:23:08 AM
1) I agree with the birthers lol...

2)  However, to argue with you, as we do here...

You trust the word of an elderly foreigner (with potentially an ax to grind) over the word of a sane and stable governor of one of the United States? 


_______________________-

No, I am going based upon the totality of the available facts and circumstances.     



Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 19, 2011, 06:26:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGsGpD9fYUY


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: George Whorewell on January 19, 2011, 06:41:10 AM
I would send him to Guntanamo and have him waterboarded until he admitted being responsible for 911, Oklahoma City, the BP oil spill and the financial meltdown of 2008.

I suspect that Obama is a manchurian candidate who was brainwashed by the illuminati and inserted into the White House.

On an unrelated note, there's a late 60's interracial couple that comes by my job occasionally. I never knew they were married and found it quite amusing when yesterday the guy started shooting the breeze with me about politics. It turns out he's a republican who voted for McCain and his wife is an Obama cheerleader. I'll let you guess which one is black.

So anyway, the guy starts cracking jokes about Obama because his wife is there and she starts getting pissed off. He ends with this exchange-- Who owns the white house? I Dunno. The American people right? Yeah, that makes sense. Well, the American people= the public. So Obama's dream of living in public housing has been fulfilled. LOL - His black wife got so pissed off she left him there and refused to walk with him on the way home. I didn't really get the joke, but the whole situation was hysterical.

The guy is very intelligent, witty, an engineer by trade and a freemason ( he spent one morning explaining how he doesn't drink blood and why the conspiracy theories are ridiculous). His wife always seems to be pissed off, has a scowl on her face-- but is very polite.

Strange pair and a very American couple.


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: whork25 on January 19, 2011, 06:43:47 AM
Who owns the white house? I Dunno. The American people right? Yeah, that makes sense. Well, the American people= the public. So Obama's dream of living in public housing has been fulfilled. LOL - His black wife got so pissed off she left him there and refused to walk with him on the way home. I didn't really get the joke, but the whole situation was hysterical.
 :D


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: loco on January 19, 2011, 06:57:00 AM
Cool!  I was born in Venezuela, and I can be president of the USA?    ;D


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: 225for70 on January 19, 2011, 07:23:34 AM
Congress will probably pass a bill retroactively allowing foreigners to run for president. :'(

 


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: newmom on January 19, 2011, 07:24:34 AM
Congress will probably pass a bill retroactively allowing foreigners to run for president. :'(

 

that wouldn't surprise me in the least


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: 225for70 on January 19, 2011, 07:27:49 AM
that wouldn't surprise me in the least

Look at the brightside...We can have Arnold Schwarzenegger run in 2012..  :-\


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: newmom on January 19, 2011, 07:29:48 AM
Look at the brightside...We can have Arnold Schwarzenegger run in 2012..  :-\


 :o :o :o :o


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: FarRightLooney on January 19, 2011, 09:58:34 AM
ObamaFact from www.theobamafile.com
AXJ-Action For Justice International Forum has a thread entitled, "Obama’s COLB was never accepted by the Hawaii Registrar!," that has some very interesting stuff related to the bogus Obama Certification of Live Birth (COLB) that was provided to the Daily Kos and others  by the Obama Campaign.

Obama’s COLB has only been "filed" but never "accepted."  AXJ contends that if it hasn’t been accepted, it’s not certified or official according to the State of Hawaii.

Notice the lower left hand corner for the wording "Filed" or "Accepted" in this side by side comparison of two officially certified "Accepted" Hawaiian COLB’s with Obama’s unofficial "Filed."

Here is the Hawaii statutes on the "FILED" and "ACCEPTED" on the COLB: -- see sections 11-1-4(d) and 11-1-28.

The statute specifically states that the date of filing is the date that a document is "RECEIVED" at the Department of Health office.  Obama’s information was received or "FILED" on Aug. 8, 1961, according to his COLB.  It has never been "ACCEPTED" by the Registrar.  Obama’s COLB is still being "MAINTAINED"  -- awaiting acceptance by the Hawaii State Registrar.
(http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/COLBNotAccepted.jpg)


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 21, 2011, 12:20:12 PM
Newly elected Hawaii Governor claims "glitch" in getting Obama birth certificate
KETK (nbc) Tyler, TX ^ | January 20, 2011 | Bob Brackeen - News Anchor Reporter




After vowing to provide proof Obama was born in Hawaii, newly elected Dem. Gov. Neil Abercrombie, beats around the bush in Honolulu newspaper article about a "long form" birth certificate.

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Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 21, 2011, 01:05:29 PM
Hawaii governor claims record of Obama's birth 'exists in archives' but can't produce the vital document

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 3:32 PM on 20th January 2011

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Governor Neil Abercrombie is facing renewed pressure over Obama's Hawaiin origins

Pressure was mounting on Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie today amid increasing confusion over whether President Obama was born there.

Abercrombie said on Tuesday that an investigation had unearthed papers proving Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.

He told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser: 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said.

But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate.

And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

He said efforts were still being made to track down definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii.

Abercrombie was asked: 'You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plan to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming?'

He acknowledged the birth certificate issue would  have 'political implications' for the next presidential election 'that we simply cannot have'.

 
President Obama on a visit to Hickam Air Force Base in Honolulu in December. The issue of trying to prove he was born in Hawaii rumbles on

'It's a matter of principle with me,' the 72-year-old said. 'I knew his mum and dad. I was here when he was born. Anybody who wants to ask a question honestly could have had their answer already.'

Birthers insist Obama, born in 1961, is not eligible to be commander in chief. The reasons often vary, and have changed and expanded in the two years since the Internet rumour began.

 
The beauty of Hawaii, but there is still a cloud hanging over Obama's birthright

Some believe his Certification of Live Birth is fake and he was really born in Kenya. Others argue that Obama is a citizen of the United Kingdom or Indonesia. Most theories have been dismissed by many in public office and the media, and have been found to be misleading or generally untrue.

However, the conspiracy theories still thrive, and according to Abercrombie, are likely to continue despite whatever evidence that shows him to be a proper U.S. citizen.

'You're not going to convince those people because they have a political agenda, or they have minds that go in that kind of direction,' he told CNN. 'Conspiratorial theorists are never going to be satisfied. This has gone into another area of political attack.'

And he again promised he would do 'what I can do' to publicly verify that records show Obama was born in Hawaii and is a citizen of the United States, making him eligible to be President.

 The Governor vowed when he took office in December that he would do his best to end the debate over Obama's birth, which began in 2008 during the presidential campaign.

'We'll do what we can as quickly as we can to make it inevitable that only those who wish the President ill, only the ones with a political agenda, will be the ones doing this kind of thing,' he said at the time. 'The President is entitled to the respect of his office and he's entitled to have his mother and father respected.'

During that interview, Abercrombie said his goal to combat birthers was a personal one.



________________________ _____________________



Ha ha ha ha-  BIRTHERS OF A NATION PROVEN CORRECT.   



Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: The Showstoppa on January 21, 2011, 01:16:02 PM
What an assclown....perhaps he should have looked into this before saying he would provide it.....hahaha


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 21, 2011, 01:17:39 PM
What an assclown....perhaps he should have looked into this before saying he would provide it.....hahaha

He is helping he Birthers!


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: The Showstoppa on January 21, 2011, 01:20:54 PM
He is helping he Birthers!

haha, I know.....and you just know Obama would love to smack him.  If this lingers, which it most likely will, it will be great to see in 2012 for comedic relief.


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 21, 2011, 01:25:01 PM
This fool is making the Birthers' main claim!   

the main clam is that there is no long form BC  - this has been the main claim from day 1 and all the fools screamed at the birthers.  now it turns out the birthers were right!   


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: 240 is Back on January 21, 2011, 01:28:55 PM
333386,

Are u a birther?.


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 21, 2011, 01:31:20 PM
333386,

Are u a birther?.

Right now - Yes.   The only reservation I have is the newspaper announcement.       


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: 240 is Back on January 21, 2011, 01:49:42 PM
Right now - Yes.   The only reservation I have is the newspaper announcement.       

have people come fwd with an actual hard copy of the paper?  or is it just some microfiche? Or something really cool made with publisher? 

OR did Barry Oreto just steal this barrack guy's name? 

What's the deal?  I'm trying to talk my parents into voting bachmann, but I need something solid here :)


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 21, 2011, 01:53:59 PM
have people come fwd with an actual hard copy of the paper?  or is it just some microfiche? Or something really cool made with publisher? 

OR did Barry Oreto just steal this barrack guy's name? 

What's the deal?  I'm trying to talk my parents into voting bachmann, but I need something solid here :)

Micofiche only so far.   


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: 240 is Back on January 21, 2011, 02:01:59 PM
Micofiche only so far.   

why do you think the repubs - even the tea party ones who agree with the birthers - are scared to enact legislation requiring a person to provide long-form in order to run for president?

I mean, if one simple bill like that could cripple his 2012 chances entirely - why are they dicking around with symbolic bills?

And I doubt it's because "the lamestream media will mock them".  That's weak.  They got elected bashing the mainstream media - and suddenly they bow to them?  Nope.




Why won't the far-right repubs enact legislation on this?


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: loco on January 22, 2011, 04:33:42 AM
You all need to give Obama a break already!

Obama was born in Egypt.[1]  He arrived at the shores of Hawaii as a baby, inside a floating papyrus basket coated with tar and pitch.[2]  Obama became the leader of the most powerful Western nation so that he can tell the West "White Devil, let my people go."  So in the end, Obama will leave the West with his people, the Muslims, and they will all return to the Middle East and Africa.[3]


Sources and References:

1. loco
2. loco
3. loco


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 22, 2011, 06:32:17 AM
1st... 333, how the fuck do you get past the fact that his birth in Hawaii was announced in a Hawaiian newspaper for that time that anybody can do down and look up at the library? 

2nd... His birth certificate is confirmed valid by a Governor of the state...

3rd... WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE HAS BEEN REQUIRED TO SHOW MORE THAN THE FUCKING GODDAMNED FUCKING GODDAMNED FUCKING FACT THAT HE WAS FUCKING BORN IN AMERICA?

END THIS TOPIC JACKASSES.


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 06:36:08 AM
They only certified the COLB. 


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 22, 2011, 06:36:56 AM
I've never banned a topic from being talked about here, but it's getting dang close with this one.  This is fucking retarded and I fucking hate Obama so it's not like I'm covering for him.


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 22, 2011, 06:38:12 AM
You know what, this is CT pure and simple....  You guys are proposing that there is some concerted effort to withhold info on Obama's birth cirt that would require several people to be involved... That's a major conspiracy.

moved...


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: 240 is Back on January 22, 2011, 06:43:03 AM
LOL!

Even Fox news is in on it, hugo!

all the states, all the dems AND republicans.

Luckily, there was one brave getbigger named 333386 who was able to overcome so many questions, and take the word of an aging kenyan grandmother, over that of our entire US govt.



Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 06:50:04 AM
WHY THE FUCK WAS THIS MOVED TO CT?   THIS IS NOT A CT - ITS AN ISSUE THE GOV OF HAWAII PUT HIMSELF IN T.   


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 06:52:12 AM
LOL!

Even Fox news is in on it, hugo!

all the states, all the dems AND republicans.

Luckily, there was one brave getbigger named 333386 who was able to overcome so many questions, and take the word of an aging kenyan grandmother, over that of our entire US govt.



240 - eve you are a birther.   why is that? 


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 22, 2011, 06:53:47 AM
LOL!

Even Fox news is in on it, hugo!

all the states, all the dems AND republicans.

Luckily, there was one brave getbigger named 333386 who was able to overcome so many questions, and take the word of an aging kenyan grandmother, over that of our entire US govt.


this shit just amazes me...  I would like 3333 to answer my last question: when was the last time a presidential candidate was required to show more than the fact that he was born here?  That's all that's required by the constitution, then by fucking all gods it's good enough for me...  

What these guys are trying to find is some stupid line on the long form that shows his father wrote his religion down as mulsim or some shit.  So they can use it in the election.

I don't want to see Obama make a second term.  I want him to lose.  But I will have nothing to do with gay ass retards that push this point.  SIMPLY PUT, THEY ARE ACTING AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


PS. 240, did you see my thread about Bill Maher, kittens and glocks, I thought you might get a laugh out of it ;D


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 06:58:14 AM
Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info (Abercrombie silenced by Barry)
ap ^ | 1/22/2011 | MARK NIESSE




________________________ ____________-

 


HONOLULU – A privacy law that shields birth certificates has prompted Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie to abandon efforts to dispel claims that President Barack Obama was born outside Hawaii, his office says.

State Attorney General David Louie told the governor that privacy laws bar him from disclosing an individual's birth documentation without the person's consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said Friday.




(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: andreisdaman on January 22, 2011, 07:09:11 AM
Yes it does matter.    Its a requirement directly in the US Const.   

DUDE!!!!..Don't u think the FBI and all these other agencies who investigate and vet EVERYONE who runs for president haven' t checked into Obama's background????..or are they in on the conspiracy as well????

YOU ARE CERTIFIABLY NUTS!!!!!


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 22, 2011, 07:10:55 AM
worse than the moon landing hoax believers....  3333, BWHAHAHAHahahahahahahaha ha


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 07:11:39 AM
DUDE!!!!..Don't u think the FBI and all these other agencies who investigate and vet EVERYONE who runs for president haven' t checked into Obama's background????..or are they in on the conspiracy as well????

YOU ARE CERTIFIABLY NUTS!!!!!

Why?  Can you tell me where the Long form BC is like everyone else in that state has?  

And why has he spent over $1 million dollars keeping his records silent?    


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 07:13:55 AM
worse than the moon landing hoax believers....  3333, BWHAHAHAHahahahahahahaha ha

HUGO - CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS?

________________________ _____________________

Obama's records that are not released.
1. Occidental College records -- Not released
2. Columbia College records -- Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper -- 'not available'
4. Harvard College records -- Not released
5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released
6. Medical records -- Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- 'not available'
8. Law practice client list -- Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - - Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published -- None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None
13. Your Record of baptism-- Not released or 'not available'
14. Your Illinois State Senate records--'not available'
 


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: andreisdaman on January 22, 2011, 07:16:18 AM
Why?  Can you tell me where the Long form BC is like everyone else in that state has?  

And why has he spent over $1 million dollars keeping his records silent?    
[/quoted



what difference does it really make to u???...if they found it you would just say it was fake or forged anyway...your mind just cannot accept that a black man is president, but you can't say that outright so you try to delegitimize him another way under the guise of being a patriot standing up for the constitution....


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 07:16:52 AM
BORN IN THE USA?


http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:SstYs_6unl0J:www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347%20obama%20long%20form%20birth%20certificate&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us



Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates
Real documents include name of doctor, hospital

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: July 28, 2009
9:35 pm Eastern


By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2010 WorldNetDaily



Eleanor Nordyke displays photostats of her twin daughters' birth certificates (Courtesy Honolulu Advertiser)
Images of two 1961 Hawaii birth certificates similar to the one President Obama purportedly has on file have now been unveiled.

The Honolulu Advertiser published photostats of the original long-form birth certificates of twin daughters born to Eleanor Nordyke at Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital Aug. 5, 1961, one day after Obama was supposedly born at the same facility.

The Nordykes' certificates include information missing from the short-form document for Obama published online, including the name of the hospital, the name of the attending physician, name and address of the parents, the race of the parents and the race of the baby.

As WND reported yesterday, Hawaii's director of health responded to the growing controversy over the White House's refusal to release Obama's original long-form birth certificate by issuing a statement about the document in apparent contravention of Hawaiian law.

(Story continues below)

 
      


Dr. Chiyome Fukino declared she has seen the "original birth records" that verify Obama was born in Hawaii and is a "natural-born American citizen," the Honolulu Advertiser reported.

Join in WND's Fedex campaign and tell Obama you don't buy his state-run media coverup!

But in two separate telephone interviews with WND, Janice Okubo, the health department's public information officer, told WND that Hawaii law prohibited her from commenting on the birth records of any specific person.

WND also reported the Hawaii Department of Heath affirmed that no paper birth certificate records were destroyed when the department moved to electronic record-keeping in 2001.


Photostat of Susan Nordyke's 1961 Hawaii birth certificate (Courtesy Honolulu Advertiser)

The statement to WND by Janice Okubo, public information officer for state's health department, contradicted CNN U.S. President Jon Klein, who ordered host Lou Dobbs to quit discussing Obama's birth certificate on the air. Klein insisted the issue was "dead" because Obama's original long-form birth certificate had been destroyed by the Hawaii DOH in the conversion to electronic files.

A close examination of the birth certificates issued by Kapi'olani to the Nordyke twins shows the registration number precedes the number given Obama, even though the future president was born a day earlier.

Susan Nordyke was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

Gretchen Nordyke followed at 2:17 p.m. and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

According to a version of Obama's purported short-form certificate available from FactCheck.org, Obama was given a higher registration number than the Nordyke twins. The online image indicates the number is No. 151 – 1961 – 10641, even though he was born Aug. 4, 1961, the day before the twins, and his birth was registered with the Hawaii registrar three days earlier, Aug. 8, 1961.

The middle figure in Obama's purported registration also is different than the Nordykes'. Obama's is 1961, indicating the year, while the Nordykes' is merely 61.

One explanation for the out-of-order serial numbers might be that several serialized stacks of birth certificates were made available at different hospitals.

Another possibility is that Obama's number is not a genuine registration number created in 1961 but was issued when the short-form document was generated during the 2008 presidential campaign.

Eleanor Nordyke told WND she thinks her twins got lower numbers because she went into the hospital Aug. 4, 1961, and was in labor for 20 hours before she delivered. She speculates that Ann Dunham came in after her and was given a later number, even though Dunham's baby was born earlier. Nordyke's twins were not born until the afternoon of the next day.

WND was unable to receive a response from Hawaii officials regarding the state's procedure for issuing registration numbers.

Meanwhile, an image of an apparently fraudulent Kenyan certificate of birth circulated on the Web today from an unknown source. It alleged Obama was born in Mombasa. But a contributor at FreeRepublic.com debunked it, declaring "Busted!"

He pointed out that the background text, in Dutch, explained, in a rough translation, "This is not a government document. This is political commentary."

It's not just Obama's original birth certificate at issue. WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

Note: Members of the news media wishing to interview Jerome Corsi, Joseph Farah, Joe Kovacs, Chelsea Schilling, Les Kinsolving or Bob Unruh on this issue, please contact WND.


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 07:18:45 AM
Why?  Can you tell me where the Long form BC is like everyone else in that state has?  

And why has he spent over $1 million dollars keeping his records silent?    
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what difference does it really make to u???...if they found it you would just say it was fake or forged anyway...your mind just cannot accept that a black man is president, but you can't say that outright so you try to delegitimize him another way under the guise of being a patriot standing up for the constitution....


Ha haha - - I would prefer Mike Tomlin, Willie Randolph, George Jefferson, Fred Sanford, or even Beetlejuice as POTUS over Bama any day.   


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 22, 2011, 07:22:49 AM
HUGO - CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS?
333, I fucking asked you first and didn't get an answer from you...  Why the fuck should I answer your questions when you ignore mine?  Fucking courtesy dude... Don't go demanding questions be answered when you are unwilling to answer yourself.  Back up a few posts and answer mine and I will answer yours.


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 07:24:26 AM
333, I fucking asked you first and didn't get an answer from you...  Why the fuck should I answer your questions when you ignore mine?  Fucking courtesy dude... Don't go demanding questions be answered when you are unwilling to answer yourself.  Back up a few posts and answer mine and I will answer yours.


I said I'm a 51% birther - not a 99% birther.   The article in the paper is my only hestitation on the CT, otherwise, there are some crazythings surrounding this issue which you really should not just dismiss.   

 


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 07:26:56 AM
Corsi said he has gone to all the hospitals in Hawaii and not one has a damn thing.   


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAaZsvGMnjk


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 22, 2011, 07:27:02 AM

I said I'm a 51% birther - not a 99% birther.   The article in the paper is my only hestitation on the CT, otherwise, there are some crazythings surrounding this issue which you really should not just dismiss.   

 
bullshit, that doesn't remotely answer my questions.  Please answer these questions and I will address yours:

1st... 333, how the fuck do you get past the fact that his birth in Hawaii was announced in a Hawaiian newspaper for that time that anybody can do down and look up at the library? 

2nd... His birth certificate is confirmed valid by a Governor of the state...

3rd... WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE HAS BEEN REQUIRED TO SHOW MORE THAN THE FUCKING GODDAMNED FUCKING GODDAMNED FUCKING FACT THAT HE WAS FUCKING BORN IN AMERICA?

END THIS TOPIC JACKASSES.


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 07:37:33 AM
bullshit, that doesn't remotely answer my questions.  Please answer these questions and I will address yours:


1.   I agree that the article in the paper tends to undermine the CT.   

2.   BULLSHIT.   They certified a COLB with is complete nonsense.   They did not certify the Long Form BC.    posted what  real BC looks like from someone born the same day as Barry.   Where is his like this?   

3.   Because we have never had a person elected under such dubious circumstances.   

BTW  I personally think Obama was hatched anyway.   



Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 22, 2011, 08:09:15 AM
1.   I agree that the article in the paper tends to undermine the CT.   

2.   BULLSHIT.   They certified a COLB with is complete nonsense.   They did not certify the Long Form BC.    posted what  real BC looks like from someone born the same day as Barry.   Where is his like this?   

3.   Because we have never had a person elected under such dubious circumstances.   

BTW  I personally think Obama was hatched anyway.   


Ok, I have to stop at number 2 until we get this settled...  So you're telling me, when the last governor, a republican, certified that the birth cirt was real, she was full of shit?


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 08:31:06 AM
Ok, I have to stop at number 2 until we get this settled...  So you're telling me, when the last governor, a republican, certified that the birth cirt was real, she was full of shit?

All she certified was the COLB and what it says.

Basically she certified that the State of Hawaii says that the COLB states that Obama was born in Hawaii.   But look at that COLB - it says nothing at all.   Look at the long form BC I posted from the lady born the same day and compare to the COLB.         


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 22, 2011, 08:49:38 AM
All she certified was the COLB and what it says.

Basically she certified that the State of Hawaii says that the COLB states that Obama was born in Hawaii.   But look at that COLB - it says nothing at all.   Look at the long form BC I posted from the lady born the same day and compare to the COLB.         
Here's your problem buddy... In Hawaii, in 1961, this is the way it went down.  The hospital took their new birth certs to vital records.  At the end of the week vital records provided that info to the newspaper.  That is how he ended up in the newspaper.  THE HOSPITAL PROVIDED INFO THAT HE WAS BORN THERE TO VITAL RECORDS WHO THEN PASSED IT ON TO THE NEWSPAPER AT THE END OF THE WEEK...

You have got to be kidding me if you're going to take this past this shit... For real?


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 08:57:12 AM
I read that tthe grand parents were the ones who put it in the newspaper.   


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 22, 2011, 09:10:57 AM
I read that tthe grand parents were the ones who put it in the newspaper.   
cockgobblins...  The only thing they could have done is request that it not be put in the paper and that might have been harder to do back then than it is now. If they didn't say anything about it, it would have been put in the paper.  The only effect mother or father or anybody related could have had is to prevent it from being in the paper.  They were all announced at that time.


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 09:19:29 AM
cockgobblins...  The only thing they could have done is request that it not be put in the paper and that might have been harder to do back then than it is now. If they didn't say anything about it, it would have been put in the paper.  The only effect mother or father or anybody related could have had is to prevent it from being in the paper.  They were all announced at that time.

What about the relatives, Kenyan officials, etc who all say they witnessed Obama's kenyan birth?   


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 22, 2011, 10:01:00 AM
What about the relatives, Kenyan officials, etc who all say they witnessed Obama's kenyan birth?   
I think I'm going to take the facts we have over hopeful relatives that could and probably are embellishing the story.  From their perspective, they probably do want to claim him as being born there.  For them it's probably huge.  It's also probably embellishment.  Embellishment that some people in America are fully willing to latch onto for political purposes...

I was willing to dick around with the fact that McCain was born in Panama but I wouldn't have kept that up after he was elected.  In the end, both Obama and McCain were raised from youth in America.  I got no personal bitch past that.  Obama's mom was American.  I'm way way cool with that.  Now if we were talking about both parents being from another country, it might be an issue for me... But as I see the facts now, this birther crap is a fucking stupid endeavour.





Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 10:02:41 AM
I think I'm going to take the facts we have over hopeful relatives that could and probably are embellishing the story.  From their perspective, they probably do want to claim him as being born there.  For them it's probably huge.  It's also probably embellishment.  Embellishment that some people in America are fully willing to latch onto for political purposes...

I was willing to dick around with the fact that McCain was born in Panama but I wouldn't have kept that up after he was elected.  In the end, both Obama and McCain were raised from youth in America.  I got no personal bitch past that.  Obama's mom was American.  I'm way way cool with that.  Now if we were talking about both parents being from another country, it might be an issue for me... But as I see the facts now, this birther crap is a fucking stupid endeavour.






Birthers of a nation unite!     


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 22, 2011, 10:26:10 AM

Birthers of a nation unite!     
well, at least you finally admit it... forever you tried to play it like you were not a birther and at the same time post shit about it.  I fucking hate deception and hypocrisy.  At least we know where you stand now.  No more denying you're a birther lol...


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: 240 is Back on January 22, 2011, 10:33:18 AM
well, at least you finally admit it... forever you tried to play it like you were not a birther and at the same time post shit about it.  I fucking hate deception and hypocrisy.  At least we know where you stand now.  No more denying you're a birther lol...

yes, his claim I'm 51% birther" reeks of a lack of balls.  he posts dozens of birther articles each week and claims he doesn't subscribe to that belief.  Doesn't work like that.

glad to see he admits it.


me, i think it shuld be investigated - just like 9/11 and a few other things that people only want to look at if it matches their party preferense.


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 10:36:32 AM
yes, his claim I'm 51% birther" reeks of a lack of balls.  he posts dozens of birther articles each week and claims he doesn't subscribe to that belief.  Doesn't work like that.

glad to see he admits it.


me, i think it shuld be investigated - just like 9/11 and a few other things that people only want to look at if it matches their party preferense.

1.   I think someone spending a 1 Million to cover up what can be released for $5 smells of shady shit.

2.  Hospital has no records of his birth.

3.   Kenyn releatives say he was african born.   MO even said so.   

4.  He is also hiding a lot of other shit.           


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: andreisdaman on January 22, 2011, 10:39:51 AM

Birthers of a nation unite!     

Dude, lost birth certificates or mistakes concerning birth certificates in this nation are more common than you think..especially from the days before computers.....I myself have whats called a "certificate of birth"..not a true "birth certificate"....my original was lost in a fire....NY State gave my mom a replacement "certificate of birth" stating that I was born in NY State, but could not give us a copy of the original...they didn't have it..

second....my father-in-law was born in the mountains in Puerto Rico in the 1920's.... and is a U.S. citizen by birth....but the records office was in a rural area and burned down many years ago,,,before the time of computers.....He could not prove for many years that he was a citizen though he lived in NY city for 40  a years....my wife had to go through a hell of a time writing all over the place to get proof..finally she had to travel to puerto rico to get someone to listen to her and finally get some kind of proof....

3333..stop this nonsense immediately!!!!!



Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 22, 2011, 10:43:32 AM
4.  He is also hiding a lot of other shit.          
Good gods I fucking hope so....  We probably all have a few fuckups to hide. Last thing I want in office is some clown that led a perfect life with no experience or hardship.  Maybe he has some shit to hide.  good...  I'll take that over the pampered bitch raised for office.

That being said, I still give his ass an F grade at this point.....


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 10:54:38 AM
I guess this is just obamanomicsat work again:    spend a million dollars in legal fees to over what up wh can be released for $5     


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: andreisdaman on January 22, 2011, 10:55:06 AM
Good gods I fucking hope so....  We probably all have a few fuckups to hide. Last thing I want in office is some clown that led a perfect life with no experience or hardship.  Maybe he has some shit to hide.  good...  I'll take that over the pampered bitch raised for office.

That being said, I still give his ass an F grade at this point.....

you were sounding rational until you gave O an F grade


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 22, 2011, 11:53:30 AM
you were sounding rational until you gave O an F grade
Ok, I give him a "I wanna punch him in the face for being an idiot" grade  Is that better?  That's a step higher than, "I wanna stomp on Bush's head" lol....

It's just sarcasm for the NWO powertripping prison planet watchdogs.....  

Don't blackbag me bro..... :D


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 22, 2011, 11:57:52 AM
Obama X marks the spot

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2011/01/obama-x-marks-spot.html




I'm going to whisper this, because I do not want Democrat Neil Abercrombie to figure this out nor Chris Matthews.........or even that Obamanazi Ann Coulter who investigated and certified Obama, before it is too late.

The too late part is Abercrombie has been digging around in Obama's records, and has let slip that there is no Certificate Of Live Birth or COLB, exactly as that Democratic kid who was on WND said there was not, and proving the point what Birthers stated all long that Obama is undocumented, in he could not enroll in grade school in Hawaii, because he has no legitimate nor legal birth certificate.

To repeat this point so even Sean Hannity gets it, THE BIRTHERS HAVE BEEN PROVEN CORRECT.

What this blog is going to expose though in exclusive is what I'm whispering about, and what Neil Abercrombie has no idea of in what he just exposed.

Only here was it exposed how the communists of America overthrew the Republican form of Government of Alaska for this Obama Marxism, in how they set upon a path of "darkening up" Hawaii from a prosperous white conglomerate state to a welfare fraud state which was registering and STILL IS REGISTERING hundreds of thousands of foreign babies as Americans.

This is what the birth of Obama has been hiding, and was covered up by Alaskans from the RINO GOP and the Democratic left. There was for a generation a wholesale treachery against America and everyone in government, hospitals and business was in on it.
Illegals brought in welfare revenues and brought in increased populations so Hawaii received more power in Congress. It was treacherousness wholesale and if Hawaii admits it, their leaders are going to prison or going to be hung.

That is what Abercrombie blundered into, in his Obama's birth was recorded statement.

See for a legal birth anywhere, just like in a legal death, a medical professional with a witness must certify the document is correct. That means in criminal court terms that people are putting their freedom and job security on the line, if they lie, they go to prison.

Doctors for these illegals were not about to certify that these babies were born in Hawaii when they were birthed elsewhere or in some pineapple patch, because doing so would have if this ring had ever been disclosed by an FBI investigation wholesale treason against these United States.

The alternative then therefore was for these "don't ask don't tell" registrations by family members or some union thugs in everyone knew that Sung Lee Wong was not an infant at 2 years old born in Hawaii, but was a 2 year old Cantonese border buster, but her name was recorded by the State of Hawaii as a citizen, because all that took was a clerk being told to look the other way by their higher ups, and the word of someone committing perjury and fraud about this baby.

That is waht Abercrombie revealed in the "recorded list". Hawaii has a separated list which this dupnik apparently was not aware of in order to bypass normal American registrations so doctors were not on the legal hook, and these foreign born infants could just be dumped into the system as Hawaii was not going to ask and no one there was going to tell in this corrupt intrastate system.

Barack Hussein Obama is ON THE SEPERATED LIST and not on the American born list.

I know there are dozens of officials in Hawaii whose eyes squeezed tightly shut, their guts tied up in knots and they groaned, "What the hell did Abercrombie say that for!", because the insiders in the system know what this dupnik has just exposed.

This blog exclusively laid out the scenario in which Barry II was most likely born in Canada on free health care in 1961 on a cross border baby dump by Ann Dunham. What the logic confirms now in what Abercrombie blurted out is Barack Hussein Obama jr. was not born in these United States in any shape or form.
As deduced originally, if Obama was born in Washington State where Mama Obama was recorded in 1961 of August, he would have been recorded as such as an American. There are not two birth recordings known of Barrry II in America, so therefore that mean that Obama was registered by Madelyn Dunham with Stanley Ann out of the country.............it is that or there is the original scenario that Madelyn was impregnated by Uncle Frank Davis, had the baby in a pineapple patch, registered the child on the sly and dumped him onto Barack sr. in exchange for sex rite and a financial settlement, which would explain how Barack sr. was affording his lifestyle.

That becomes more complicated than necessary as I really do not care who bedded who, as B. Hussein IS a fraudulent registration no matter what now, and the likely scenario as proven by Abercrombie is Barry II was born outside America due to his recorded on the undocumented list papers.

This was all public knowledge and I just am stunned that egg head Abercrombie the intellectual was not warned off on this as that fraud GOP skirt governor knew enough to cover this all up. So that brings up the questions of is Abercrombie a Clinton operative mixing the pot the way Rahm Emanuel is in Chicago as someone had to have told this dupnik what in the Obama was going on.

That is the exclusive though on this records list as it is seperate obviously from normal lists which have birth certificates and it is why Hawaii was coming up with the fraudulent statements that the records were destroyed. It was all a cover for their corrupt importing of illegals, as there never were records for these anchor babies who are not Americans, but the story was manufactured to keep people out of prison.
The problem though was Obama was installed into the White House after stealing the 2008 elections, and was too stupid to commit fraud and print up a counterfeit birth certificate.

Barry Obama just does not have any balls. He commits the biggest damned fraud in world history, has others perjure themselves, break piles of laws, and this dink would not go out and have his sister print up a birth certificate on a college printer.

That is about as wussy as it comes.

Thankfully though now Neil Abercrombie has gone on record in stating there is no COLB. Broken here, Obama is on a recorded list which would mean others are there of the same birth problems, and that means Hawaii has an entire record of every fraudulent border buster there.

Ann Coulter, you now not only look like you need to eat some steak, but you look like the absolute fool you are in backing Obama and smearing Birthers.

Sean Hannity, you care to finally address this reality as it is a real national security issue now, and you have just been certified wrong in Obama is not an American, but is a product of fraud.

For the real record, Barack Hussein Obama is a foreign secular Kenyan Indonesian Muslim, who knowingly committed espionage against America. This secular Muslim has looted the US Treasury of a known 13 plus trillion dollars, collapsed the economy, left Americans holding the bag on 100 trillion in insurance defaults...........and he been engaged in inter Muslim tribal warfare as he has his fingers on America's shrinking nuclear weapons stockpiles as he gives Russia and China the lead in nuclear warfare.

Chris Matthews and Ed Koch..........did you get all of that? Barack Obama just doesn't have a mental connection with Americans, but has a legal disconnect and that is why all his policies seem to reflect of something written in Peking.

The Governor of Hawaii, a Democrat, states there is no COLB for Obama and that Obama is on a separate list of other recorded names.

The Birthers have been absolutely right on this and have just been proven correct in Obama is undocumented and foreign born.


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: 240 is Back on January 22, 2011, 03:56:24 PM
1.   I think someone spending a 1 Million to cover up what can be released for $5 smells of shady shit.
2.  Hospital has no records of his birth.
3.   Kenyn releatives say he was african born.   MO even said so.   
4.  He is also hiding a lot of other shit.           

Yet you don't want a 911 investigation - where 3000 folks died.

1. Bush gave them less than 14 mil to investigate the biggest crime in history.  but he gave them 60 mil to investigate steroids in baseball.

2. OBL isn't even wanted for 911.  One of the planes had no freakin' manifest!

3. People in other countries say it was an inside job.

4. Bush hid a lot of other shit.



Wow... applying the frail logic you applied... to 911... I guess you want to investigate that now too, huh?  ;)


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 22, 2011, 09:02:25 PM
Yet you don't want a 911 investigation - where 3000 folks died.

1. Bush gave them less than 14 mil to investigate the biggest crime in history.  but he gave them 60 mil to investigate steroids in baseball.

2. OBL isn't even wanted for 911.  One of the planes had no freakin' manifest!

3. People in other countries say it was an inside job.

4. Bush hid a lot of other shit.



Wow... applying the frail logic you applied... to 911... I guess you want to investigate that now too, huh?  ;)
"D'OH!!!"--3333


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 23, 2011, 06:49:53 AM
Hawaii Ground Report: ( Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Legally Barry Soetoro
The HillBuzz ^ | 1/23/2011 6:52:06 AM | Kevin DuJan



HAWAII GROUND REPORT: Could Hawaiian Governor Neil Abercrombie not be as incompetent and foolish as he appears, but orchestrating a deliberate birth certificate recovery dead end to cover his own papakole? UPDATED: Mystery solved! Reason Obama will not release birth certificate is because his name is legally written “Barry Soetoro” on it


Here’s an interesting Ground Report from Hawaii that contains an ingenious theory about Hawaiian Governor Neil Abercrombie’s bizarre backtrack on releasing Obama’s birth certificate.

Remember, Abercrombie promised that once he was elected Governor he would prove Obama’s birth certificate existed because he would march down to the Hall of Records and demand its production from the archives…and he would then hold it aloft in the gentle Hawaiian breeze, high above his balding pate, for all the world to see, thereby producing the document Obama has spent millions to keep hidden.


(Excerpt) Read more at hillbuzz.org ...



Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 23, 2011, 11:57:50 AM
O-CON DOCS: Hawaii Ballot Chief not Grandma, Called Obama To Hawaii In 2008
The Daily Pen ^ | 1/17/11 | by Pen Johannson




New analysis of Democrat Party's official 2008 Certification of Nominations for Obama reveals that reasons for his sudden trip to Hawaii in October, 2008 were to visit more than just his sick grandmother. Hawaiian election laws, media accounts and post-dated documents reveal he may have attended a private hearing with the Hawaiian Chief Elections Officer regarding his disqualification from the Hawaiian ballot due to lack of certified Constitutional eligibility.


(Excerpt) Read more at thedailypen.blogspot.com ...


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: andreisdaman on January 23, 2011, 12:10:06 PM
O-CON DOCS: Hawaii Ballot Chief not Grandma, Called Obama To Hawaii In 2008
The Daily Pen ^ | 1/17/11 | by Pen Johannson




New analysis of Democrat Party's official 2008 Certification of Nominations for Obama reveals that reasons for his sudden trip to Hawaii in October, 2008 were to visit more than just his sick grandmother. Hawaiian election laws, media accounts and post-dated documents reveal he may have attended a private hearing with the Hawaiian Chief Elections Officer regarding his disqualification from the Hawaiian ballot due to lack of certified Constitutional eligibility.


(Excerpt) Read more at thedailypen.blogspot.com ...


please stop..you're making me laugh too hard


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 24, 2011, 09:01:41 AM
Hawaii Gov. Says Proof of Obama's Birth Certificate Exists but Hasn't Produced the Document
ABC News ^





Hawaii Gov. Says Proof of Obama's Birth Certificate Exists but Hasn't Produced the Document

'Birther' Says, 'If You Have It, Show It to Us'
 

By RUSSELL GOLDMAN and DEVIN DWYER Jan. 20,2011

Officials in Hawaii say they have located President Obama's birth certificate indicating that he was born in the state, but have yet to produce the document at the heart of a long-simmering conspiracy theory.

"Our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives written down," Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser.

"What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case," he told the paper.

Abercrombie said the controversy over publicly producing the document "has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have."

It remains unclear if the document found in the archives was Obama's actual long-form birth certificate, which "birther" activists have clamored for, or if it was simply a record that such a document exists.


(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 24, 2011, 12:42:19 PM
W.H.: 'Birthers' aren't 'rational'
Politico ^ | 1/24/2011 | MATT NEGRIN & MJ LEE




Here’s what you need to know from Monday’s (1/24/2011)White House briefing with press secretary Robert Gibbs:

-- Gibbs hinted that President Obama will talk about gun rights in his State of the Union address....

-- Gibbs snuck a jab at the so-called birthers who don’t believe Obama was born in Hawaii. “I think rational people have long ago, many when they first heard and saw the president, come to the conclusion of his citizenship,” he said.


(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


__________________


Where is the long form BC?   


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 24, 2011, 12:43:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb--1AxmgZ8


Title: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: James on January 24, 2011, 03:40:57 PM
(From a radio interview) Mike Evans, of Hollywood Reporter, has been a friend of Gov. Abercrombie's for "decades". Evans spoke to him yesterday. "Neil and I spent a lot of time together during Obama's Inauguration. He promised me that he when he became Governor, he was going to cut thru all the BS and find absolute proof that "Barry" was born in Hawaii. Well, I spoke to him YESTERDAY and Abercrombie told me "He searched everywhere using his powers as governor, and... There is NO Barack Obama Birth Certificate in Hawaii ... absolutely no proof at all that Obama was born in Hawaii".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb--1AxmgZ8



Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: 240 is Back on January 24, 2011, 04:18:56 PM
The birthers aren't that crazy.  They want a legit investigation of a legal matter. 

There's a good chance the piece of paper says barry Oreto, or it says Muslim, or it has no dad listed, or something embarassing.

Or, there's a chance it doesn't exist.  At least that's what a gov is now telling us.


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2011, 05:10:03 PM
Governor Abercrombie really made a fool of himself.  I was actually in favor of him putting an end to this stuff.  All he did was throw fuel on the fire for some CT. 


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: 240 is Back on January 24, 2011, 05:13:28 PM
Governor Abercrombie really made a fool of himself.  I was actually in favor of him putting an end to this stuff.  All he did was throw fuel on the fire for some CT. 

LOL at you not being a birther.

you're a total birther dude.


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2011, 05:16:12 PM
LOL at you not being a birther.

you're a total birther dude.

 ::)


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 24, 2011, 06:31:00 PM
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Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate
World Net Daily ^ | Jan. 24, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi




Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.

Adams was employed at the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division from May 2008 through September 2008.

His position was senior elections clerk, overseeing a group of 50 to 60 employees responsible for verifying the identity of voters at the Absentee Ballot Office. It was in this capacity that Adams became aware of the search for Obama's birth-certificate records

SNIP

"My supervisor came and told me, 'Of course, there's no birth certificate. What? You stupid,'" Adams said. "She usually spoke well, but in saying this she reverted to a Hawaiian dialect. I really didn't know how to respond to that. She said it and just walked off. She was quite a powerful lady."


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Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Emmortal on January 24, 2011, 06:57:50 PM
Governor Abercrombie really made a fool of himself.  I was actually in favor of him putting an end to this stuff.  All he did was throw fuel on the fire for some CT. 

So instead of admitting that there is some relevance to the birthers claims you get angry at the guy who was going to put an end to it all?

Hahahaha, I never realized someone could be so damn retarded.


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Fury on January 24, 2011, 07:04:17 PM
This is pretty interesting actually. Now whether or not anything comes of it is another question.


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 24, 2011, 07:05:25 PM
That guy in the interview is pretty convincing.   Now lets see if the Gov denies it.   


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2011, 07:39:34 PM
So instead of admitting that there is some relevance to the birthers claims you get angry at the guy who was going to put an end to it all?

Hahahaha, I never realized someone could be so damn retarded.

Not angry at all.  What he did was stupid.

And no, I don't need to admit there is any relevance to birthers claims.   ::)  This entire issue needs to go away.  It's silly. 


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 24, 2011, 07:41:02 PM
BB - if it turns out that there is no BC, and that the COLB was created solely for the purpose of the 2008 election - you don't think that is serious?


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2011, 07:45:15 PM
BB - if it turns out that there is no BC, and that the COLB was created solely for the purpose of the 2008 election - you don't think that is serious?

No.  Unless he was born in Kenya.  I think he was born in Hawaii.  At this point, I think the only thing he's probably trying to hide is something on his BC like a Muslim religious affiliation. 

This birther stuff is nothing but rabbit trails.  I doubt we see any legitimate Republican presidential candidate raising this issue, because it would marginalize their candidacy.  This is a loser IMO.   


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 24, 2011, 07:47:31 PM
Yeah but it makes great discussion.   Its like Clue. 


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Dos Equis on January 24, 2011, 07:49:18 PM
Yeah but it makes great discussion.   Its like Clue. 

True.  It is good message board material.   :)


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: James on January 25, 2011, 07:04:47 AM
No.  Unless he was born in Kenya.  I think he was born in Hawaii.  At this point, I think the only thing he's probably trying to hide is something on his BC like a Muslim religious affiliation. 

This birther stuff is nothing but rabbit trails.  I doubt we see any legitimate Republican presidential candidate raising this issue, because it would marginalize their candidacy.  This is a loser IMO.   

Cant be that, as there is no space on the Birth Certificate asking (stating) for the child's religious affiliation, and or the parents religious affiliation.


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 25, 2011, 07:06:18 AM
Cant be that, as there is no space on the Birth Certificate asking (stating) for the child's religious affiliation, and or the parents religious affiliation.


I really don't think he was born in a hospital.   Maybe he was born in the manger like Jesus of Nazareth?   


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Kazan on January 25, 2011, 07:33:02 AM
How can there be no birth certificate? Seriously, I have needed my birth certificate on more than a few occasions.


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: James on January 25, 2011, 07:38:22 AM
How can there be no birth certificate? Seriously, I have needed my birth certificate on more than a few occasions.

Good question, maybe this is the reason for all the $$ that is being spent, to keep all records related secret.


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 25, 2011, 07:42:46 AM
How can there be no birth certificate? Seriously, I have needed my birth certificate on more than a few occasions.


Obama has 16 different SS Numbers attributed to him.     Look it up.    He has led a life of crime and deception from Day 1.     


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Parker on January 25, 2011, 07:48:17 AM
How can there be no birth certificate? Seriously, I have needed my birth certificate on more than a few occasions.
In order to have been registered for school, wouldn't he have needed his birth cert, and SSN?


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: 240 is Back on January 25, 2011, 07:48:34 AM

Obama has 16 different SS Numbers attributed to him.     Look it up.    He has led a life of crime and deception from Day 1.    

the SS numbers are more disturbing than anything BC related, to be honest.



Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 25, 2011, 07:56:01 AM
In order to have been registered for school, wouldn't he have needed his birth cert, and SSN?

He has used many different names, SS numbers, alias, etc.   ,


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: James on January 25, 2011, 07:59:29 AM
the SS numbers are more disturbing than anything BC related, to be honest.



It is all distributing, including the fact that there seems to be a cover up taking place.


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 25, 2011, 08:03:04 AM
Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
The Obama File ^ | Feb 1, 2010 | The Obama File





Private investigator Neil Sankey, using Intelius, Lexis Nexis, Choice Point and other public records, found around 25 Social Security numbers connected with Barack Obama’s name.

However, it may not be as many as 25, since Sankey also searched using closely related names such as: "Barak Obama," "Batock Obama," "Barok Obama," and "Barrack Obama." There may very well be some Kenyans living in America with the same last name and a similar first name. In any case, I will exclude these records for the purpose of this research and focus only on names spelled exactly like his name.

Moreover, we can verify many of the Social Security numbers as valid since they’re connected to addresses at which we know Obama resided. Needless to say, there are also a slew of address and social security numbers connected to addresses in states that Obama has no known connection to.

In Obama’s home state, Illinois, Sankey tracked down 16 different addresses for a Barack Obama or a Barack H. Obama, of which all are addresses he was known to have lived at. Two Social Security numbers appear for these addresses, one beginning with 042, and one starting 364.

In California, where Obama attended Occidental College, there are six addresses listed for him, all within easy driving distance of the college. However, there are three Social Security numbers connected to these addresses, 537 and two others, each beginning with 999, which are not valid SSNs.

There are no addresses listed in New York where he attended Columbia University, but there is one listed for him in nearby Jackson, NJ, with a Social Security number beginning with 485.

In Massachusetts -- where Obama attended Harvard Law School -- we find three addresses, all using the 042 Social Security number. After Obama was elected to the United States Senate in 2005, he moved into an apartment at 300 Massachusetts Ave NW; the Social Security number attached to that address is the 042 one. Yet, three years later, Obama used a different Social Security number for an address listed as: 713 Hart Senate Office Building. This was the address of his United States Senate office. This Social Security number began with 282 and was verified by the government in 2008.

This mystery grows even stranger as other addresses and Social Security numbers for Barack Obama appear in a dozen other states not known to be connected to him. Again, I am excluding those records names not spelled exactly like his name.

Tennessee, one address with a Social Security number beginning with 427

Colorado, one address, with a Social Security number beginning with 456.

Utah, two addresses, with two Social Security numbers beginning with 901 and 799.

Missouri has one address and one Social Security number beginning with 999.

Florida has two addresses listed for his him, three if you count one listed as "Barry Obama." One is connected to a Social Security number beginning with 762.

In Georgia there are three addresses listed for him, all with different Social Security numbers: 579, 420, and 423.

In Texas there are four different addresses listed for him, one is connected to Social Security number 675.

There are two addresses listed for Barack Obama in Oregon and one address listed for him in the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, South Carolina, and Pennsylvania.

All told, there are 49 addresses and 16 different Social Security numbers listed for a person whose name is spelled "Barack Obama." In some cases, the middle initial "H" is listed. If you were to expand the search to include closely related names such as: "Barac," "Barak," and "Barrack" Obama, you would find more than a dozen additional addresses and Social Security numbers.

Finally, the one Social Security number Obama most frequently used, the one beginning with 042, is a number issued in Connecticut sometime during 1976-1977, yet there is no record of Obama ever living or working in Connecticut. Indeed, during this time period Obama would have been 15-16 years old and living in Hawaii at the time.

Extracted from an article by Steve Baldwin. Read the whole thing here . . .

Susan Daniels, a second investigator filed an affidavit, with true and correct copies here, in the Barnett v. Obama case. Susan Daniels is a private investigator, licensed by the State of Ohio.

In her affidavit, Daniels states that she has located Barack Obama's Social Security Number. She states it was issued between 1977 and 1979 in the State of Connecticut. She states that it is the only Social Security Number Barack Obama ever used.

The number assigned to Barack Obama "appears to be associated with someone born in the year 1890."



Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Kazan on January 25, 2011, 08:06:09 AM
OK how does he manage  have 16 differnet SS#'s, no birth certificate that anyone has seen, and not only get through everyday life in the US but be elected to several different offices without anyone blinking an eye. I don't buy into the whole CT thing, but something isn't right here.


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: James on January 25, 2011, 08:14:06 AM
OK how does he manage  have 16 differnet SS#'s, no birth certificate that anyone has seen, and not only get through everyday life in the US but be elected to several different offices without anyone blinking an eye. I don't buy into the whole CT thing, but something isn't right here.

It happens.

People are caught every year practicing as a Medical Doctor in the US, who not only don't have a License, but have never even gone to medical School.


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 25, 2011, 08:15:28 AM
Team KP probably does not even know about the SS Number issue.   


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 25, 2011, 08:25:39 AM
Obama's confusion extends to birth date
WND ^ | January 23, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi




A much-overlooked comment by Barack Obama is getting a closer examination now that Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie has come up short in his plan to take care of a pressing election 2012 concern for the Democrats by producing Obama's birth certificate from the state's archives.

It was the comment by Obama himself at a 2009 international meeting that he was born eight months earlier than when his official story has claimed all along.

Freudian slip, confusion or the truth leaking out?

It was in April 19, 2009, at a press conference Obama gave at the Port of Spain in Trinidad and Tobago, Obama commented on a 90-minute diatribe that had been delivered by Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega at the meeting the day before, and Obama suggested he was born in January 1961, three months before the Bay of Pigs invasion.

Specifically, Obama rejected Ortega's attack on the United States for the attempted Bay of Pigs invasion during the Kennedy administration by explaining: "I'm grateful President Ortega did not blame me for things that happened when I was three months old."


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Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: loco on January 25, 2011, 08:43:48 AM
In order to have been registered for school, wouldn't he have needed his birth cert, and SSN?

No, just his green card.


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 25, 2011, 09:01:26 PM
BORN IN THE USA?

Game-changer! Arizona to pass 2012 eligibility law
Obama will have to produce birth certificate to run again

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Posted: January 25, 2011
7:42 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2011 WorldNetDaily


It could be a game-changer.

A plan in Arizona to require presidential candidates to prove their eligibility to occupy the Oval Office is approaching critical mass, even though it has just been introduced.

The proposal from state Rep. Judy Burges, who carried a similar plan that fell short last year only because of political maneuvering, was introduced yesterday with 16 members of the state Senate as co-sponsors.

It needs only 16 votes in the Senate to pass.

In the House, there are 25 co-sponsors, with the need for only 31 votes for passage, and Burges told WND that there were several chamber members who confirmed they support the plan and will vote for it, but simply didn't wish to be listed as co-sponsors.

Get the free, in-depth special report on eligibility that could bring an end to Obama's presidency

The proposal, which also is being taken up in a number of other states, is highly specific and directly addresses the questions that have been raised by Barack Obama's occupancy of the White House. It says:

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Within ten days after submittal of the names of the candidates, the national political party committee shall submit an affidavit of the presidential candidate in which the presidential candidate states the candidate's citizenship and age and shall append to the affidavit documents that prove that the candidate is a natural born citizen, prove the candidate's age and prove that the candidate meets the residency requirements for President of the United States as prescribed in article II, section 1, Constitution of the United States.
The critical phrases are "natural born citizen" and the requirements of "article II, section 1, Constitution of the United States," which imposes on the president a requirement not demanded of other state and federal officeholders.

At the time the Constitution was written, many analysts agree, a "natural born citizen" was considered to be a citizen born of two citizen parents. If that indeed is correct, Obama never would have been qualified to be president, as he himself has confirmed his father was a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom, making Obama a dual citizen with Kenyan and American parentage at his birth.

Other definitions have called for a "natural born citizen" to be born of citizen parents inside the nation.

There have been dozens of lawsuits and challenges over the fact that Obama's "natural born citizen" status never has been documented. The "Certification of Live Birth" his campaign posted online is a document that Hawaii has made available to those not born in the state.

The controversy stems from the Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, which states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

The challenges to Obama's eligibility allege he does not qualify because he was not born in Hawaii in 1961 as he claims, or that he fails to qualify because he was a dual citizen, through his father, of the U.S. and the United Kingdom's Kenyan terroritory when he was born and the framers of the Constitution specifically excluded dual citizens from eligibility.

There are several cases still pending before the courts over Obama's eligibility. Those cases, however, almost all have been facing hurdles created by the courts' interpretation of "standing," meaning someone who is being or could be harmed by the situation. The courts have decided almost unanimously that an individual taxpayer faces no damages different from other taxpayers, therefore doesn't have standing. Judges even have ruled that other presidential candidates are in that position.

The result is that none of the court cases to date has reached the level of discovery, through which Obama's birth documentation could be brought into court.

Obama even continued to withhold the information during a court-martial of a military officer, Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, who challenged his deployment orders on the grounds Obama may not be a legitimate president. Lakin was convicted and sent to prison.

Burges told WND she's asked the proposal to be assigned to the Government Committee.

"I think every American should consider it of prime importance to ensure that all candidates for the highest elected position in our nation meet all constitutional requirements," she told WND. "We do not accept the federal government's unconstitutional treatment of states as one of their extended branches."

The Arizona bill also requires attachments, "which shall be sworn to under penalty of perjury," including "an original long form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance."

It also requires testimony that the candidate "has not held dual or multiple citizenship and that the candidate's allegiance is solely to the United States of America."

"If both the candidate and the national political party committee for that candidate fail to submit and swear to the documents prescribed in this section, the secretary of state shall not place that presidential candidate's name on the ballot in this state," the state plan explains.

The governor's office is occupied by Republican Jan Brewer, who has had no difficulty in bringing direct challenges to Washington, such as a year ago when lawmakers adopted provisions that allowed state law enforcement officers to enforce federal immigration law. The state's move prompted an immediate court challenge by Washington.

WND also has reported that similar efforts are under way in Montana, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Texas:

Montana

Under Montana's plan by Rep. Bob Wagner, candidates would have to document their eligibility and also provide for protection for state taxpayers to prevent them from being billed for "unnecessary expense and litigation" involving the failure of 'federal election officials' to do their duty.

"There should be no question after the fact as to the qualifications [of a president]," Wagner told WND. "The state of Montana needs to have [legal] grounds to sue for damages for the cost of litigation."

Wagner's legislation cites the Constitution's requirement that the president hold "natural born citizenship" and the fact that the "military sons and daughters of the people of Montana and all civil servants to the people of Montana are required by oath to defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States and Montana against enemies foreign and domestic."

But there are estimates of up to $2 million being spent on Obama's defense against eligibility lawsuits. There have been dozens of them and some have been running for more than two years. So Wagner goes a step beyond.

"Whereas, it would seem only right and just to positively certify eligibility for presidential and congressional office at the federal level; and whereas, it is apparent that the federal authority is negligent in the matter; therefore, the responsibility falls upon the state; and whereas, this act would safeguard the people of Montana from unnecessary expense and litigation and the possibility that federal election officials fail in their duty and would ensure that the State of Montana remains true to the Constitution," says his proposed legislation.

Pennsylvania

In Pennsylvania, there was excitement over the GOP majority of both houses of the state legislature as well as the governor's office.

Assemblyman Daryl Metcalfe told WND he is working on a proposal that would demand documentation of constitutional eligibility.

He described it as a "problem" that there has been no established procedure for making sure that presidential candidates meet the Constitution's requirements for age, residency and being a "natural born citizen."

"We hope we would be able to pass this legislation and put it into law before the next session," he said.

He said any one of the states imposing such a requirement would be effective in solving his concerns.

"I think the public relations nightmare that would ensue if any candidate would thumb their noses at a single state would torpedo their campaign," he told WND.

Georgia

Rep. Mark Hatfield has confirmed to WND that he will have a similar proposal pending.

He had introduced the legislation at the end of last year's session to put fellow lawmakers on alert that the issue was coming.

"I do plan to reintroduce the bill," he told WND. "We'll move forward with trying to get it before a committee."

In Georgia, Republicans hold majorities in both houses of the legislature as well as "every constitutional statewide office," he noted.

"I would be optimistic that we can [adopt the legislation]," he said.

Hatfield said if only one or two states adopt such requirements, it readily will be apparent whether a candidate has issues with eligibility documentation or not. And while he noted a president could win a race without support from a specific state, a failure to qualify on the ballot "would give voters in other states pause, about whether or not a candidate is in fact qualified," he said.

"My goal is to make sure any person that aspires to be president meets the constitutional requirements," he said. "This is a first step in that direction."

Texas

WND reported on a bill prefiled for the Texas Legislature by Rep. Leo Berman, R-Tyler, that would require such documentation.

Berman's legislation, House Bill 295, is brief and simple:

It would add to the state election code the provision: "The secretary of state may not certify the name of a candidate for president or vice-president unless the candidate has presented the candidate's original birth certificate indicating that the person is a natural-born United States citizen."

It includes an effective date of Sept. 1, 2011, in time for 2012 presidential campaigning.


State Rep. Leo Berman

Berman told WND he's seen neither evidence nor indication that Obama qualifies under the Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural-born citizen."

"If the federal government is not going to vet these people, like they vetted John McCain, we'll do it in our state," he said.

He noted the Senate's investigation into McCain because of the Republican senator's birth in Panama to military parents.

Berman also said there will be pressure on any lawmaker who opposes the bill, since voters would wonder why they wouldn't want such basic data about a president revealed. And he said even if one state adopts the requirement, there will be national implications, because other states would be alerted to a possible problem.

"If Obama is going to run for re-election in 2012, he'll have to show our secretary of state his birth certificate and prove he's a natural-born citizen," he said. "This is going to be significant."

Berman said he's convinced there are problems with Obama's eligibility, or else his handlers would not be so persistent in keeping the information concealed.

A year ago, polls indicated that roughly half of American voters were aware of a dispute over Obama's eligibility. Recent polls, however, by organizations including CNN, show that roughly six in 10 American voters hold serious doubts that Obama is eligible under the Constitution's demands.

Other state plans also might be in the works but unannounced yet. Officials with the Denver-based National Conference of State Legislatures said they were not tracking bills in development.

But Orly Taitz, the California lawyer who has worked on a number of the highest-profile legal challenges to Obama, said efforts are under way now in Missouri and Oklahoma, too.

She said the bill is expected to be successful in Missouri where there is a GOP majority in the legislature and a GOP governor's office, and in Oklahoma, where last year a similar plan failed by only one vote in the state Senate.

She encouraged residents of Tennessee, New Hampshire, South Dakota, California, Maine, New Mexico, South Carolina, Virginia, New Jersey and Iowa to contact their lawmakers, as there has been some interest expressed.

"We need eligibility bills filed in each and every state of the union … as it shows the regime that we are still the nation of law and the Constitution, that the Constitution matters and state representatives and senators are ready to fight for the rule of law. During the last election there were some 700 more Republican state assemblyman elected all over the country, as the nation is not willing to tolerate this assault on our rights and our Constitution any further," she said.

Last year, several other states listened to proposals that could have had an impact on eligibility documentation. In New Hampshire, officials wanted to require candidates to meet the "qualifications contained in the U.S. Constitution." In Oklahoma, lawmakers heard a plan to let voters decide the issue, and in South Carolina, the plan was to prevent candidates from being on the ballot unless "that person shows conclusive evidence that he is a legal citizen of the United States."

Further, several other states discussed requirements for candidates, but they did not specifically address the Article 2, Section 1 constitutional compliance, so it's unclear whether they would have addressed Obama's situation.

There also was, during the last Congress, Rep. Bill Posey's bill at the federal level.

Posey's H.R. 1503 stated:

"To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee's statement of organization a copy of the candidate's birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution."
The bill also provided:

"Congress finds that under … the Constitution of the United States, in order to be eligible to serve as President, an individual must be a natural born citizen of the United States who has attained the age of 35 years and has been a resident within the United States for at least 14 years."
It had more than a dozen sponsors, and while it died at the end of the last Congress, there are hopes the GOP majority in the House this year will move such a plan forward.

There also is a petition, already signed by tens of thousands, to state lawmakers asking them to make sure the next president of the United States qualifies under the Constitution's eligibility requirements.

"What we need are hundreds of thousands of Americans endorsing this strategy on the petition – encouraging more action by state officials before the 2012 election. Imagine if just one or two states adopt such measures before 2012. Obama will be forced to comply with those state regulations or forgo any effort to get on the ballot for re-election. Can Obama run and win without getting on all 50 state ballots? I don't think so," said Joseph Farah, CEO of WND, who is behind the idea of the petition.

An earlier petition had been directed at all controlling legal authorities at the federal level to address the concerns expressed by Americans, and it attracted more than half a million names.

For 18 months, Farah has been one of the few national figures who has steadfastly pushed the issue of eligibility, despite ridicule, name-calling and ostracism at the hands of most of his colleagues. To date, in addition to the earlier petition, he has:


erected billboards around the country demanding, "Where's the birth certificate?":


produced a 40-page special report on the subject;


produced a 60-minute documentary video primer on the issue;


manufactured yard and rally signs to bring attention to the topic;


pledged to donate at least $15,000 to any hospital in Hawaii or anywhere else that provides proof Obama was born there and given you an opportunity to raise the amount;


created a line of T-shirts you can wear to appearances by the president to raise visibility of the issue;


created a fund to which you can donate to further the kind of investigative reporting into this matter only this company has performed over the last two years;


launched a line of postcards you can use to keep the issue alive;


distributed thousands of bumper stickers asking, "Where's the birth certificate?"
Farah says all those campaigns are continuing.

"Obama may be able to continue showing contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law for the next two years, as he has demonstrated his willingness to do in his first year in office," he wrote in a column. "However, a day of reckoning is coming. Even if only one significant state, with a sizable Electoral College count, decides a candidate for election or re-election has failed to prove his or her eligibility, that makes it nearly impossible for the candidate to win. It doesn't take all 50 states complying with the law to be effective."

If you are a member of the media and would like to interview Joseph Farah about this campaign, e-mail WND.



Read more: Game-changer! Arizona to pass 2012 eligibility law http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=255489#ixzz1C79rs1dQ


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 26, 2011, 07:36:52 AM
WE'RE ALL BIRTHERS NOW: The Long-Form Obama Birth Certificate DOES NOT EXIST
Reaganite Republican ^ | January 26, 2011 | Reaganite Republican




Hawai'i election official's sworn affadavit:

"No Obama birth certificate exists"


ALL Americans who support our nation's Constitution and election laws must now ask: WHERE IS IT? As the Obama birth certificate controversy drags-on, any unbiased observer could tell you that events are strengthening the birthers' case by the day... not the other way around.


Oczam's razor theory dictates that if they can't find it... there must not be one. This would also provide the most viable explanation for why Obama has spent almost $2M fighting the claims in court. And to since it's a principle requirement for presidential eligibility... would someone please tell me WHY the burden of proof is on us? 

How'd this guy even get a passport without a long-form birth certificate, anyway...


"During the course of my employment," Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1 and part 2), "I became aware that many requests were being made to the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division, the Hawaii Office of Elections, and the Hawaii Department of Health from around the country to obtain a copy of then-Senator Barack Obama's long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate."


As he inquired about the birth certificate, he says, his supervisors told him that the records were not on file at the Hawaii Department of Health. "Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health," Adams' affidavit reads, "and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government."


 
Tim Adams

Tim Adams, former senior elections clerk for Honolulu In a recorded telephone interview, Adams told WND that it was common knowledge among election officials where he worked that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate could be found at the Hawaii Department of Health. "My supervisor came and told me, 'Of course, there's no birth certificate. What? You stupid,'" Adams said. "She usually spoke well, but in saying this she reverted to a Hawaiian dialect. I really didn't know how to respond to that. She said it and just walked off. She was quite a powerful lady."


Moreover, Adams was told that neither Queens Memorial Hospital nor Kapi'olani Medical Center had any records of Obama's birth at their medical facilities: "Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division further told me on multiple occasions that Hawaii State government officials had made inquires about Sen. Obama's birth records to officials at Queens Medical Center and Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu and that neither hospital had any record of Senator Obama having been born there, even though Governor Abercrombie is now asserting and various Hawaii government officials continue to assert Barack Obama Jr. was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center on Aug. 4, 1961." 

"We called the two hospitals in Honolulu: Queens and Kapi'olani," Adams stressed. "Neither of them have any records that Barack Obama was born there."





The debate has been recently been amplified by Hawaii's weird hippy Governor Neil Abercrombie -a far-Left freak who was previously a member of the US House Progressive Caucus and a personal friend and college classmate of both of Obama's parents. Abercrombie  made an ill-advised claim during his 2010 gubernatorial campaign that he would soon put a rest to all this, stating he was on a  "mission" to "quell" the birthers- as the polemic has "implications for 2012 that we simply cannot have."


But there is no Obama birth certificate... there never was.  So now he's hiding behind Hawaii's state AG, who says there is a privacy law that prohibits Abercrombie from doing as he promised (unless Obama gave him permission, of course):


State Attorney General David Louie told the governor that privacy laws bar him from disclosing an individual’s birth documentation without the person’s consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said Friday.

“There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document,” said Dela Cruz.


“Unfortunately, there are conspirators who will continue to question the citizenship of our president.”


Conspirators! That's rich- but condescension and slander coming from nervous Dems does little to re-assure thinking persons that this man is acutally qualified to be US President: on the contrary, this defensive, diversionary behavior speaks volumes. Clearly those propping up this Trojan Horse of a president have nothing left but mocking the inquisitors- but as Margaret Thatcher once said: "... if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left." And indeed they do not-





Delving a little farther back, Obama even admitted himself that he wasn't qualified for the presidency in the 2004 Keyes-Obama Senate campaign debate, but the video of this was scrubbed from YouTube, according to Good Ole Boy at RealAmericanPolitics.

Keyes caught him off guard... and Obama spilled:


I watched the entire first and second debates.  I distinctly remember that I had never heard of Obama; my interest was in seeing what Keyes said about the pro-life issue and school vouchers.

At one point in the second debate, Keyes, accused Obama saying, “You are not even a natural born citizen!”
To which Obama immediately replied, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency.”

At the end of the airing of the second debate, the C-Span host noted, as he read from a single sheet of paper, placed before him, that the Obama Campaign had contacted them and requested them to point out to their viewers that Obama’s response here should not be understood as a denial that he is a natural born citizen, only that Keyes’ accusation had nothing to do with the qualifications of office of a U.S. Senator...

Today... with even Chris Matthews saying "why not just put it out?"- I unapologetically throw my hat in with the birthers... time to cough it up or step-down, Barry. Even is some obscure court ruling keeps Obama in office... this man must not be allowed to run for re-election in 2012.


And when the day comes when we remove this tumor from the neck of the American eagle... Obama and his accomplices must be punished harshly for not just violation of oath, but the myriad crimes committed in covering-up lack of qualification for US president, up to and including perjury. And that means the entire Obama campaign team, lawyers, and most of the DNC... you're all going to pay dearly for this one.

Get on the stick, GOP congressman...
where's the subpoenas? 


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: blacken700 on January 26, 2011, 01:44:37 PM
hahahahahahahaa the birthers are back man give it a break  :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 26, 2011, 01:45:52 PM
hahahahahahahaa the birthers are back man give it a break  :D :D :D :D


Where is the long form BC?   


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: blacken700 on January 26, 2011, 01:48:41 PM
i think he's from mars, i bet if rush or beck said so half these nuts would start repeating it ;D


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Kazan on January 26, 2011, 01:50:02 PM
i think he's from mars, i bet if rush or beck said so half these nuts would start repeating it ;D

Could you produce your birth certificate if you had to?


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 26, 2011, 01:51:55 PM
 ;)


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: blacken700 on January 26, 2011, 01:53:59 PM
A celebrity journalist now claims he misspoke when he said last week that Hawaii’s governor told him he was unable to find President Barack Obama’s original birth certificate after a search of state and hospital archives.

Mike Evans told FoxNews.com on Wednesday he was remorseful and embarrassed that he appeared to have given the impression that he had discussed the search for Obama’s birth certificate with Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie.

Evans, who says he has been a close friend of Abercrombie since the 1980s, appeared on Minnesota’s KQRS radio last week and said he’d been told by the governor himself that Obama’s birth certificate was nowhere to be found. Evans told KQRS on Jan. 20:

"Yesterday, talking to Neil's office, Neil says that he searched everywhere using his powers as governor ..... there is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii.  Absolutely no proof at all that he was born in Hawaii."

But that’s no longer Evans’ story.

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Last week’s radio interview was part of Evans’ syndicated five-minute feature, “On the Road with Mike Evans,” which is broadcast on 34 stations across the country each morning.

On the morning of Jan. 20, Evans says he accidentally told one of those radio stations -- KQRS -- that he’d spoken directly with Gov. Abercrombie about the Obama birth certificate.

“I was on 34 radio stations that morning. That was the only station where I said, instead of saying ‘the hospital said there’s no birth certificate’ I misspoke and said Neil said that,” Evans said. “I misspoke and I apologize for that. I apologize to Neil.”

Abercrombie’s spokeswoman did not respond to Fox News e-mail and phone requests for comment.

Evans says he first noticed the story on Jan. 18, when he was reading an online article with the headline, “Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate.” The article cites an interview with a former Honolulu elections clerk who says records of Obama’s birth could not be found at either Honolulu hospital.

“Halfway down the story it said the long form certificate was not on file at the two hospitals,” Evans said. “It says the hospitals say there’s no birth certificate and says Neil says he couldn’t find it.”

Evans said he continued reading other reports online, including one that quotes a former Honolulu election official as saying no hospital has been able to find Obama’s original long form birth certificate.

Evans says he then placed a call to Abercrombie’s office in Hawaii to follow up on the reports.

“I called Neil, but Neil never called me back,” Evans told Fox News. “I haven’t talked to Neil since he’s been governor.”

In 2008, the Obama campaign provided a certification of live birth -- a shorter form document that bears the same legal weight as the more detailed original certificate of live birth -- to prove his eligibility to be president. That has not quelled calls by those who have asked for the president’s original, longer form birth certificate, which they maintain would more clearly prove his status as a natural-born American citizen.

The U.S. Constitution stipulates that only “a natural-born citizen,” or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of the President.”

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Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 26, 2011, 01:57:46 PM
“It says the hospitals say there’s no birth certificate and says Neil says he couldn’t find it.”


________________________ ________________


The COLB is a forgery as it is.   This story does not dispell anything.      Where is the long frm BC?   


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: blacken700 on January 26, 2011, 02:07:50 PM
i don't think i have a long form bc maybe i'm from kenya ;D


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 26, 2011, 02:09:06 PM
i don't think i have a long form bc maybe i'm from kenya ;D


LLLMMMFFFAAAOOO

Probably your best post ever.    ;D


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 26, 2011, 06:05:02 PM
10 states now developing eligibility-proof demands (Obama)
wnd ^ | January 26, 2011 7:50 pm Eastern | Bob Unruh



107 Electoral College votes controlled by Arizona, Texas, Connecticut, others

Arizona may have the most advanced plan, but 10 of the United States – controlling 107 Electoral College votes – now are considering some type of legislation that would plug the hole in federal election procedures that in 2008 allowed Barack Obama to be nominated, elected and inaugurated without providing proof of his qualifications under the demands of the U.S. Constitution.

And they aren't all the simple legislation such as that adopted in New Hampshire a year ago that requires an affidavit from a candidate stating that the qualifications – age, residency and being a "natural born citizen" – have been met.

In Georgia, for example, HB37 by Rep. Bobby Franklin not only demands original birth certificate documentation, it provides a procedure for and declares that citizens have "standing" to challenge the documentation.

"Each political party shall provide for each candidate … original documentation that he meets the qualifications of Article, 2 Section 1, Paragraph 1, and Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the United States Constitution to serve as president of the United States if elected to such office," it states

"Any citizen of this state shall have the right to challenge the qualifications of any such candidate within two weeks following the publication of the names of such candidates,"


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Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: 240 is Back on January 26, 2011, 08:29:12 PM
the SS# is the real issue. 

Argue about the BC.  But the SS is the one there is no dodging - specially if one was 70 years old ;)


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 27, 2011, 06:26:44 PM
Hawaii lawmakers want release of Obama birth info
Associated Press ^ | Jan. 27, 2011 | MARK NIESSE



HONOLULU (AP) -- Five Hawaii Democratic representatives want to pass a law making President Barack Obama's birth records public and charge $100 to see them.


(Excerpt) Read more at hosted.ap.org ...


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WOW!!!!   

Birthers are back! 


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 27, 2011, 06:29:49 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 27, 2011, 06:44:29 PM
HI bill would give anyone Obama birth info for fee

By MARK NIESSE
Associated Press


AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite
 

HONOLULU (AP) -- Anyone would be able to get a copy of President Barack Obama's birth records for a $100 fee under a bill introduced in the state Legislature that backers hope will finally dispel claims he was born elsewhere.

The bill would change a privacy law barring the release of birth records unless the requester is someone with a tangible interest, such as a close family member.

The measure was introduced by five Democrats but has not yet been scheduled for a public hearing, a required step before it can move forward. A decision on considering the bill will be made by the House's Democratic leadership and committee chairmen.

The idea behind the measure is to end skepticism over Obama's birthplace while raising a little money for a government with a projected budget deficit exceeding $800 million over the next two years.

"If it passes, it will calm the birthers down," said the bill's primary sponsor, Rep. Rida Cabanilla. "All these people are still doubting it because they don't want the birth certificate from Obama. They want it from our state office."

So-called "birthers" claim there's no proof Obama was born in the United States, and he is therefore ineligible to be president. Many of the skeptics question whether he was actually born in Kenya, his father's home country.

The Obama campaign issued a certification of live birth in 2008, an official document from the state showing the president's Aug. 4, 1961, birth date, his birth city and name, and his parents' names and races.

Hawaii's former health director also has said she verified Obama's original records. And notices were published in two local newspapers within days of his birth at a Honolulu hospital.

Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie, who was a friend of Obama's parents and knew him as a child, said last month he wanted to release more of the state's birth information about Obama. But he ended the effort last week when the state attorney general told him that privacy laws bar disclosure of an individual's birth documentation without the person's consent.

The new legislation to release records may run into similar legal problems because of Hawaii's strong constitutional privacy protections, said Rep. John Mizuno, a co-sponsor of the bill.

"If people really want to confirm Barack Obama is born in Hawaii, that's fine," Mizuno said. "I don't have a problem with looking at innovative ways to bring revenue to the state. The taxpayers deserve a break."

The $100 fee would help offset the extra work by state employees who handle frequent phone calls and e-mails from people who believe Obama was born elsewhere, Cabanilla said.

But the number of birther requests has been declining from the 10 to 20 weekly inquiries received early last year, according to the Department of Health.

"Requests have decreased significantly over the years. Currently we receive anywhere from zero to five per week," said department spokeswoman Janice Okubo.

The Health Department is still reviewing the bill, Okubo said.

House Health Committee Chairman Ryan Yamane didn't immediately return messages seeking comment on whether he would hold a hearing on the bill.

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HB1116, http://capitol.hawaii.gov/

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Ha ha ha ha - I love it. 

Hey Bama - spend the $5 and release the damn thing already.   
 


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: chadstallion on January 28, 2011, 05:05:14 AM
How can there be no birth certificate? Seriously, I have needed my birth certificate on more than a few occasions.

for what?
when you reach a certain age ( have a job, have a DI, have a passport, SSN ) I've never had to produce a BC since.


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 28, 2011, 05:13:35 AM
for what?
when you reach a certain age ( have a job, have a DI, have a passport, SSN ) I've never had to produce a BC since.

1.   Bama has never held a real job.   

2.  He has used different passports,

3.   He has used 16 SS #   


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Dos Equis on February 18, 2011, 09:09:14 AM
Birth-records bill dies after failing to advance
The legislation would have made Obama's information available to the public for $100
By Mark Niesse
Associated Press
POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Feb 18, 2011
 
A proposal to sell copies of President Barack Obama's birth records to anyone for $100 is going nowhere in the Hawaii Legislature.

The bill died when it didn't get a hearing before today's deadline for bills to advance to their final committees.

House Health Committee Chairman Ryan Yamane said yesterday he will not consider the legislation because he does not think it is appropriate to sell private information to the public — even if it is the president's birth documentation.

"We shouldn't take knee-jerk reactions. Just because there are these people who want this information, that doesn't mean we should change our state statute so a private, personal record could be accessible for $100," said Yamane, a Democrat.

Hawaii's privacy laws bar the release of birth records unless the requester is someone with a tangible interest, such as a close family member.

So-called "birthers" claim there is no proof Obama was born in the United States, and he is therefore ineligible to be president. Many of the skeptics question whether he was actually born in Kenya, his father's home country.

Republican Rep. Kymberly Pine said efforts to reveal Obama's birth information fuel unfounded suspicions that he was not born in Honolulu.

"It's just opening a whole new can of worms again," said Pine, the minority floor leader. "We should just let this die. People have presented as many facts as we can."

Hawaii's former health director said in 2008 and 2009 she verified Obama's original rec-ords. Public notices were published in two local newspapers within days of Obama's birth at a Honolulu hospital.

The Obama campaign issued a certification of live birth in 2008, an official document from the state showing the president's Aug. 4, 1961, birth date, his birth city and name, and his parents' names and races.

Rep. Rida Cabanilla, who introduced the bill, said she will drop the issue after she learned that requests to the state for Obama's birth documents have declined to just a few per week.

"The demand is dying down," said Cabanilla, a Democrat. "If they still got a lot of requests, I could have pushed it more."

Only a handful of people contacted Yamane about the bill, he said. Three or four people from the mainland wrote they were skeptical that Obama was born in the U.S., and two people from Hawaii said the government should focus on the economy rather than birthers.

Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie, who was a friend of Obama's parents and knew him as a child, revived the issue in December when he said he wanted to release more of the state's birth information about Obama. But he ended the effort in January when the state attorney general told him that privacy laws bar disclosure of an individual's birth documentation without the person's consent.

The bill failed because it had to reach its final committee — the House Finance Committee — by today's deadline for all bills requiring more than one public hearing to advance. But it was not given a hearing in the House Health Committee, a required step before it could move forward.

It would have run into many obstacles from lawmakers even if it had cleared the House and moved to the Senate.

"Any plan to sell copies of the president's or anyone else's birth records is a nonstarter," said Senate Health Committee Chairman Josh Green, a Democrat. "Rights to privacy issues like this are too important to be taken lightly."

Lawmakers in several other states have introduced legislation aimed at making Obama prove his U.S. nationality by birth before he could be placed on those states' ballots. Those states include Arizona, Georgia, Missouri, Nebraska, Connecticut, Oklahoma and Texas.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/20110218_Birth-records_bill_dies_after_failing_to_advance.html

And the picture that accompanied the story:
(http://media.staradvertiser.com/images/300*418/20110218_newsOBAMA1.jpg)

Real unbiased journalism there.   :)


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 18, 2011, 09:18:47 AM
You can't sell what does not exist!

   


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: blacken700 on February 18, 2011, 09:25:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u3Ax8UQ9ac



funny but true  :D :D :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 18, 2011, 09:29:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u3Ax8UQ9ac



funny but true  :D :D :D :D :D :D


You are clueless on this issue.    The COLB is a forgery and is bogus.   There is no long form BC, or record of hs birth in any hospital in HA.   


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: blacken700 on February 18, 2011, 09:45:09 AM
so what your saying is that when he was running for pres the repubs with all their money and the smartest people on the right could not prove this wrong but all the nutjobs after the election have proof. do you realise how fu#king dumb that sounds. if he is not a american they would have proofed it before the election period  ;D but the guys on getbig have the facts  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 18, 2011, 09:47:47 AM
so what your saying is that when he was running for pres the repubs with all their money and the smartest people on the right could not prove this wrong but all the nutjobs after the election have proof. do you realise how fu#king dumb that sounds. if he is not a american they would have proofed it before the election period  ;D but the guys on getbig have the facts  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

 ::)    ::)

They have tried many times - but obama has spent 2 million in legal fees to keep everything sealed under record.   

Shit - he has 16 SS numbers attributed to him already.  Thereis no record of his birth anywhere but the HA newspaper, which is not really official proof of anything, just that someone took an add out.   



Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: blacken700 on February 18, 2011, 09:48:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ketJSP-bv3k

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: 240 is Back on February 18, 2011, 09:51:49 AM
To be clear.........


The most anti-Obama voices on getbig aren't talking about the spending cuts.  They're not talking about the stalled wars.  They're not talking about fudged UE numbers.   They're not talking about the plummeting dollar.


Maybe Karl Rove was right!  This DOES benefit obama that everyone is arguing CT stuff while he does the realllly bad stuff right out in the open, and nobody talks about it!


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 18, 2011, 09:57:34 AM
To be clear.........


The most anti-Obama voices on getbig aren't talking about the spending cuts.  They're not talking about the stalled wars.  They're not talking about fudged UE numbers.   They're not talking about the plummeting dollar.


Maybe Karl Rove was right!  This DOES benefit obama that everyone is arguing CT stuff while he does the realllly bad stuff right out in the open, and nobody talks about it!


 ::)  ::)


Like who 240?      Have you seen my last 15 threads? 


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: blacken700 on February 18, 2011, 09:58:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-z9RYiE_UY


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 18, 2011, 10:02:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-z9RYiE_UY

blacken - where is the long form BC and hospital records?   


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Fury on February 18, 2011, 10:03:58 AM
To be clear.........


The most anti-Obama voices on getbig aren't talking about the spending cuts.  They're not talking about the stalled wars.  They're not talking about fudged UE numbers.   They're not talking about the plummeting dollar.


Maybe Karl Rove was right!  This DOES benefit obama that everyone is arguing CT stuff while he does the realllly bad stuff right out in the open, and nobody talks about it!

Look down the board, there is maybe one birther thread. And this irony in this is pretty ripe coming from you, the guy who has a stalkerish obsession with Palin. Creepy stalkerish obsession, that is.

(http://www.moviepostershop.com/fear-movie-poster-1020209188.jpg)

The funny thing is all the political savants like you and blacken would rather spend your time talking about Palin and linking youtube clips from comedy shows. :-X


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: blacken700 on February 18, 2011, 10:08:50 AM
Look down the board, there is maybe one birther thread. And this irony in this is pretty ripe coming from you, the guy who has a stalkerish obsession with Palin. Creepy stalkerish obsession, that is.

(http://www.moviepostershop.com/fear-movie-poster-1020209188.jpg)

The funny thing is all the political savants like you and blacken would rather spend your time talking about Palin and linking youtube clips from comedy shows. :-X




are you a birther


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Fury on February 18, 2011, 10:10:47 AM


are you a birther

Couldn't care less about it. But I have no problem with people believing it or not believing it. To each their own.


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Dos Equis on February 26, 2011, 02:31:15 PM
Senator Slom is a very smart guy.  If he starts raising questions about the release of records (birth and educational records), it might gain a little traction here.  Doesn't help that he's the only Republican in the state senate. 

'No evidence' of problems with Hawaii health chief
Explanation sought for governor's removal of department director
Posted: February 26, 2011
By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2011 WorldNetDaily

There is no evidence that there were problems with the work of Dr. Neal Palafox, who had been chosen by Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie to replace Chiyome Fukino, the woman best known to the rest of the nation as the guardian of Barack Obama's birth certificate.

That's according to an attorney representing Palafox, Brook Hart.

WND reported earlier that the minority leader in Hawaii's state Senate accused Abercrombie of politicizing the health department by nominating, then apparently asking for the resignation, of Palafox.

See the movie Obama does not want you to see: Own the DVD that probes this unprecedented presidential-eligibility mystery!

Sen. Sam Slom, the only Republican in the state Senate, said he is convinced Abercrombie asked Palafox to withdraw because the nominee dismissed two health agency workers who were politically connected.

Slom said he does not believe Palafox was dropped for refusing to allow Abercrombie to search for Obama's birth records, but he also said he's be happy to use the situation "as a shoehorn to get for the public any Obama birth records the Hawaii Department of Health has."

Today, Hart told WND that Palafox has no idea why Abercrombie asked him to withdraw. He said there is no evidence that would prove Abercrombie made his decision in response to the firing of the two employees.

Hart also said Abercrombie's decision has nothing to do with Abercrombie's search for Obama's birth records.

"Neal has no information on Obama's birth records," Hart said.

"There is no hard evidence why Abercrombie made the decision," Hart said. "Neal Palafox knows of no investigation proceeding against him. No subpoenas have been issued by any investigative body, no interviews have been conducted by investigators."

Hart said that at this point his office is not considering filing any litigation, but that he would do so if anyone made statements that defamed or were libelous in relation to Dr. Palafox's professional conduct.

He stressed that Palafox has had a long and distinguished medical career – he is the chairman of his department at the University of Hawaii and Palafox has a successful and highly respected medical practice in Hawaii.

"Neal is a highly competent professional," Hart said, "and his desire to accept the nomination to direct the Hawaii Department of Health was made not in an effort to enrich or aggrandize himself, but to help the people of Hawaii."

Hart said Palafox would like a reason for the governor's actions.

"Neal wants to know and he is waiting to find out," he said. "There has been a lot of speculation regarding Gov. Abercrombie's motives," Hart said, "but to date, we have no hard evidence to substantiate why the decision was made."

A report from KITV Channel 4 said Hart revealed Palafox was reducing a "controversial" state health department program at the governor's request when he was asked to leave.

That process involved the elimination of 22 positions, including two supervisors who were laid off, the report said.

It involved a mental health services billing process that ex-Gov. Linda Lingle apparently launched using some $16 million in state health department funding.

The report said the two employees laid off included Dewey Kim, the former executive director of the Honolulu Liquor Commission, and Joanne Hao, a contracting manager.

Hart said Palafox knew neither personally.

Palafox now has returned to his tenured position at the University of Hawaii Medical School, where he is chief of the Family Practice and Community Health division.

Fukino, who became the face of Hawaii's claim that Obama's original birth records remain on file in the state's archives, resigned in December.

Slom said there are questions to be answered.

"I don't understand why Obama has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep all his records from the public — not just his Hawaii birth records, but his passport records and his school records. All Obama's records should be public, including any Hawaii birth records that exist."

Slom said Abercrombie did conduct a search for Obama birth records – he wasn't sure if Abercrombie looked himself, or if he sent someone to search the records.


He said he believes Abercrombie thought he could come into office and do Obama a great favor by putting an end to Obama's birth controversy.

But the inability to produce any documents after vows to the New York Times and other news organizations only added fuel to the fire. The dismissal of Dr. Palafox has also stirred rumors about a possible connection to the birth certificate drama.

The latest development comes as well-connected sources in Hawaii are warning that certain government officials in the state have been contemplating releasing fraudulent birth records for Obama in the run-up to the 2012 election. At least 11 states are currently considering legislation that would require future presidential candidates to prove constitutional eligibility by proving they are "natural born citizens."

Some of the bills under review in legislatures across the U.S. would require candidates to provide a long-form birth certificate – a document Obama has steadfastly denied the public and the press. His 2008 campaign offered only a certification of live birth, a short-form digital document that skeptics insist could be generated without an actual Hawaiian birth taking place. But the generation of the short-form document, by a simple affidavit from a family member, would have triggered the newspaper birth announcements that have been used by some to corroborate Obama's birth story.

The blogosphere is rife with speculation that Abercrombie dispatched Palafox as health director because he was unable to produce evidence supporting Abercrombie's repeated claims Obama was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=268305


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 26, 2011, 02:35:48 PM
Slom said there are questions to be answered.

"I don't understand why Obama has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep all his records from the public — not just his Hawaii birth records, but his passport records and his school records. All Obama's records should be public, including any Hawaii birth records that exist."

Slom said Abercrombie did conduct a search for Obama birth records – he wasn't sure if Abercrombie looked himself, or if he sent someone to search the records.



________________________ ________________________ _________-


How hard is this for you libs to grasp?   


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: blacken700 on February 26, 2011, 03:25:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4TzXkRdKvo


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 26, 2011, 03:26:43 PM
Blacken - where is the long form BC? 


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: blacken700 on February 26, 2011, 03:36:47 PM
i don't even know where mine is ;D


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 26, 2011, 03:43:06 PM
i don't even know where mine is ;D

Yawn - you are clueless on this.   Obama is not a NBC so far as I can tell.   

 


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: blacken700 on February 26, 2011, 03:46:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ketJSP-bv3k

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


 :D :D :D


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: blacken700 on February 26, 2011, 03:50:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u3Ax8UQ9ac



funny but true  :D :D :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 17, 2011, 05:55:48 AM
Wednesday, March 16, 2011
Jack Cashill Tackles Barack Obama's Fraudulent Use of a Social Security Number Reserved for Connecticut Applicants, Got Criminal!?
ObamaRelease YourRecords on 10:51 PM 

Another look at Obama's Social Security number
-Jack Cashill-



While out promoting my new book, "Deconstructing Obama," I have been asked a few times about Obama's mysterious Social Security number.

Not knowing enough to speak authoritatively, I chose to swim upstream through the data flood and head for the source.

Here I found a no-nonsense licensed investigator from Ohio named Susan Daniels. Widowed at 30 with seven children, Daniels went back to school and eventually emerged as a certified paralegal.

After several years working for others, Daniels got her own license as an investigator in 1995. Since then, she has specialized in litigation support for law firms. Her particular strength has been in researching assets.

By her own admission, Daniels is "good with public records." She knows her way around databases and has access to many that the public does not.

Jack Cashill's literary investigation uncovers revelations galore about Obama's alleged life narrative. Order the new book "Deconstructing Obama: The Life, Love and Letters of America's First Post-Modern President"

"I did not like the way things were going," Daniels says of the country's drift circa 2009. And so in the best spirit of citizen journalism, she began to investigate Obama on her own.

What she and fellow investigator Neil Sankey unearthed was a nugget that could have ended the career of a George Bush or a Sarah Plain: Barack Obama had been using a Social Security number issued in Connecticut between 1977 and 1979, a state in which he never lived or even visited at that time in his life. [Daniels affidavit embedded below, Sankey's report can be viewed here]

This will not come as news to the readers of WorldNetDaily, whose thorough investigation climaxed last June when WND's veteran White House correspondent Les Kinsolving confronted Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs on the subject. [video embedded below]

Predictably, Gibbs laughed Kinsolving off and switched the subject to the birth certificate. Kinsolving had seen this kind of laugh and switch before. In 1982, for instance, he introduced the subject of AIDS to then-press secretary Larry Speakes.

"Over a third of [the victims] have died," said Kinsolving. "It's known as 'gay plague.'"

"I don't have it. Do you?" joked Speakes to a general round of laughter. But unlike Gibbs, Speakes simply did not know any better.

As much as Daniels appreciates the work of WND and other serious investigators who have helped clarify the picture, she is distressed by the few who have clouded it.

"There have been many playing junior investigator from the start," she jokes. "I don't know if they even have their decoder rings yet."

This being the case, I asked Daniels to guide me through the data mine field and help me ascertain what we know for sure about the world's best-known Social Security number – 042-68-4425.

"All I can say," says Daniels of 042-68-4425, "is that it's phony and [Obama] has been using it, with it first appearing on his Selective Service document in 1980."

Daniels sent me a copy of the hand-written application of the individual who held the number immediately before Obama's, 042-68-4424. The applicant, Thomas Wood, died at age 19, which is why his information is available.

Wood's Social Security number was issued sometime between March and May of 1977. Obama would turn 16 in August of that year. Woods lived on Glenview Drive in Newington, Conn., the state from which all "042s" applied. Obama lived in Hawaii.

True to form, the left-leaning media set out to undermine the Social Security controversy and ridicule the investigators. Revealing, however, is the weakness of the response.

"Numbers are assigned based on the return address on the request envelope, not residency," crowed Jason Linkins in the Huffington Post as though he had said something meaningful. Linkins suggested two possible explanations, both preposterous.

One is that Obama applied for his SSN as a little boy in Indonesia for no known reason, and the application just happened to be processed in Connecticut for no known reason either.

For the second, Linkins cited the argument of Carole Glibert, in the Yahoo-related "Associated Content." Said Gilbert, presumably with a straight face, "In fact, Barack Obama's dad attended college in Connecticut and in 1977, Obama was college aged; is it beyond reason to consider that he might have checked out his father's alma mater?"

Last time I checked, Harvard was in Massachusetts. The closest town to Harvard in Connecticut is about 90 minutes away, and there is no record that Obama Sr. lived there, let alone that Obama visited his imaginary alma mater and just happened to apply for a Social Security card while visiting.

Daniels also sent me a copy of Obama's Selective Service data. Obama appears to have registered on Sept. 4, 1980, a month after his 19th birthday. The form lists the telling last four digits of his "042" number, "4425."

This is the first use of the "042" number that Daniels could find. She is just not sure it is legitimate. Some have credibly argued that the Selective Service information was forged and backdated once Obama became a presidential candidate.

"They were stupid to use the CT number on the [Selective Service] card," Daniels adds, "because now there is no way for [Obama] to back out of that number."

Other than the 1980 Selective Service registration, the first time Daniels could find Obama using the "042" number was in 1986 in Chicago.

As to how Obama may have secured that number, it is possible that he turned to his radical friends for... ...Continued here.


It's No Longer Just a Theory
-TheObamaFile.com-

Linda Bentley says that on September 7, 2008, Barack Hussein Obama appeared on ABC’s This Week with George Stephanopoulos, and stated:

"I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school … And I actually always thought of the military as an ennobling and, you know, honorable option. But keep in mind that I graduated in 1979. The Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren’t engaged in active military conflict at that point. And so, it’s not an option that I ever decided to pursue."

Some people did keep in mind that he graduated in 1979, and noted the registration requirement was suspended in April 1975 by President Gerald Ford, and wasn’t reinstituted until 1980 by President Jimmy Carter in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

The Military Selective Service Act required men born in the calendar year 1961 to register on any of the six days beginning Monday, July 28, 1980.

On Oct. 13, 2008, J. Stephen Coffman, a retired federal agent, filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the Selective Service (SS) for a copy of Obama’s SS registration form.

Coffman's FOIA request was processed on Oct. 29, 2008, two days after the SS claimed it was received.

Coffman received a copy of Obama’s registration form along with a copy of the computer inquiry screen, which showed an access date of Sept. 9, 2008, several weeks prior to Coffman’s request.

It was accompanied by a letter from Richard S. Flahavan, associate director for public affairs and intergovernmental affairs, who stated, "Also, the enclosed computer inquiry screen indicates that his registration number is 61-1125539-1, as previously provided to you."

The computer printout shows a transaction date of Sept. 4, 1980 (the date Obama’s July 29, 1980 registration was entered into the system) with a last action date of Sept. 4, 1980, signifying nothing else had been received or entered since the original Sept. 4, 1980 registration form.

Coffman found it peculiar his request, according to the computer printout date, was processed on Sept. 9, 2008, several weeks prior to submitting his request.

Debbie Schlussel broke this story on Nov. 13, 2008, questioning myriad peculiarities about Obama’s registration form.

Read about the mistakes made to Obama's records after Coffman’s FOIA request here.

RECALL: Colonel Hollister: Obama's Social Security Number Reserved for Connecticut Applicants Comes Back as "Fail" and “SSN Not in File (Never Issued)” -Details here.

Previous reports on Obama's SS# can be found here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Visit the Birther Vault for the long list of evidence against Hawaii officials and all of the people questioning Obama's eligibility;
[http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/08/video-ltc-terry-lakins-attorney-on-cnn.html].

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/03/jack-cashill-tackles-barack-obamas.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOrQAZG0q1E


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 17, 2011, 06:03:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRt64dO0opE


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: 240 is Back on March 17, 2011, 06:13:20 AM
I just can't understand why people like Beach Bum call this Obama SS# stuff nonsense.

it's a legit issue.  I wish people would quit being sheep. 


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 17, 2011, 06:13:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oLIUT16ko0


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 17, 2011, 06:21:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVhSAWhpGSw


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 17, 2011, 06:52:38 AM
November 13, 2008, - 1:56 am

EXCLUSIVE: Did Next Commander-in-Chief Falsify Selective Service Registration? Never Actually Register? Obama’s Draft Registration Raises Serious Questions
By Debbie Schlussel


**** Copyright 2008, Must Cite Debbie Schlussel and link to DebbieSchlussel.com ****


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Did President-elect Barack Hussein Obama commit a federal crime in September of this year? Or did he never actually register and, instead, did friends of his in the Chicago federal records center, which maintains the official copy of his alleged Selective Service registration commit the crime for him?
It’s either one or the other, as indicated by the release of Barack Obama’s official Selective Service registration for the draft. A friend of mine, who is a retired federal agent, spent almost a year trying to obtain this document through a Freedom of Information Act request, and, after much stonewalling, finally received it and released it to me.
But the release of Obama’s draft registration and an accompanying document, posted below, raises more questions than it answers. And it shows many signs of fraud, not to mention putting the lie to Obama’s claim that he registered for the draft in June 1979, before it was required by law.




The official campaign for President may be over. But Barack Obama’s Selective Service registration card and accompanying documents show that questions about him are not only NOT over, but if the signature on the document is in fact his, our next Commander-in-Chief may have committed a federal crime in 2008, well within the statute of limitations on the matter. If it is not his, then it’s proof positive that our next Commander-in-Chief never registered with the Selective Service as required by law. By law, he was required to register and was legally able to do so until the age of 26.
But the Selective Service System registration (“SSS Form 1″) and accompanying computer print-out (“SSS Print-out), below, released by the Selective Service show the following oddities and irregularities, all of which indicate the document was created in 2008 and backdated:
* Document Location Number Indicates Obama Selective Service Form was Created in 2008
First, there is the Document Location Number (DLN) on the form. In the upper right hand corner of the Selective Service form SSS Form 1, there is the standard Bates-stamped DLN, in this case “0897080632,” which I’ve labeled as “A” on both the SSS Form and the computer printout document. On the form, it reflects a 2008 creation, but on the printout, an extra eight was added in front of the number to make it look like it is from 1980, when it was actually created in 2008.
As the retired federal agent notes:

Having worked for the Federal Government for several decades, I know that the standardization of DLNs have the first two digits of the DLN representing the year of issue. That would mean that this DLN was issued in 2008. The DLN on the computer screen printout is the exact same number, except an 8 has been added to make it look like it is from 1980 and give it a 1980 DLN number. And 1980 is the year Senator/President Elect Obama is said to have timely registered. So, why does the machine-stamped DLN reflect this year (2008) and the DLN in the database (which was manually input) reflect a “corrected” DLN year of 1980? Were all the DLNs issued in 1980 erroneously marked with a 2008 DLN year or does the Selective Service use a different DLN system then the rest of the Federal Government? Or was the SSS Form 1 actually processed in 2008 and not 1980?

It’s quite a “coincidence” . . . that is, if you believe in coincidences, especially in this case.
Far more likely is that someone made up a fake Selective Service registration to cover Obama’s lack of having done so, and that the person stamping the form forgot (or was unable to) change the year to “80″ instead of the current “08″. They either forgot to fake the DLN number or couldn’t do so.
And guess where the Selective Service registrations are marked and recorded? Lucky for Obama, it’s his native Chicago. From an article entitled, “Post Office Registration Process”, on the Selective Service website:

When a young man reaches 18 he can go to any of the 35,000 post offices nationwide to register with Selective Service. There he completes a simple registration card and mails it to the Selective Service System. This begins a multi-step process which results in the man’s registration.
Each week approximately 6,000 completed registration cards are sent to the Selective Service System’s Data Management System (DMC) near Chicago, Ill. At the DMC these cards are grouped into manageable quantities. Each card is then microfilmed and stamped with a sequential document locator number. The processed microfilm is reviewed to account for all documents and to ensure that the film quality is within strict standards. After microfilming, the cards are keyed and then verified by a different data transcriber.

The Document Locator Number (DLN) is an automatic function (Selective Service record-keeping, specifically the DLN is described on pages 7-8 of this Federal Register document), with the first two digits comprising the year, and it was not changed to “08″ in error. So if the form was filed and processed in 1980, how did it get a 2008 DLN?!
* Obama’s Selective Service Registration Form is Apparently 1990 Form Altered to Appear Like 1980 Form
On the SSS Form 1, in the lower left hand corner is the form number (SSS Form 1) and the month and year version of the form, labeled as “B“. On this particular Form 1, it clearly shows the month as “FEB” (February), and the year is either “80″ or “90″. The retired federal agent investigated further:

Magnification of the form both physically (with a 10x glass) or with different image software does not reflect a clear cut result of either a “80″ or a “90″.

But, checking the history of SSS Form 1 (see http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAViewICR?ref_nbr=198002-3240-001#), it’s apparent that in February 1980, the Selective Service agency withdrew a “Request for a new OMB control number” for SSS Form 1 (see also, here)–meaning the agency canceled its previous request for a new form, and one was never issued in “FEB 1980″.
Since under the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1980, Pub. L. No. 96-511, 94 Stat. 2812 (Dec. 11, 1980), codified in part at Subchapter I of Chapter 35 of Title 44 a federal agency can not use a form not approved by OMB (Office of Management and Budget), it’s nearly impossible for Senator/President-Elect Obama’s SSS Form 1 to be dated “Feb 1980.” And since that makes it almost certainly dated “Feb 1990,” then how could Barack Obama sign it and the postal clerk stamp it almost ten (10) years before its issue?! Simply not possible.
The lower right hand corner reflects that the Obama SSS form 1 was approved by OMB with an approval number of 19??0002, labeled as “C“. The double question marks (??) reflect digits that are not completely clear.
* Barack Obama’s Signature is Dated After Postal Stamp Certifying His Signature
Barack H. Obama signed the SSS Form 1′s “Today’s date” as July 30, 1980, labeled “D“. But the Postal Stamp reflects the PREVIOUS day’s date of July 29, 1980, labeled “E“. Yes, Obama could have mistakenly written the wrong date, but it is rare and much more unlikely for someone to put a future date than a past date. (Also note how Barry made such a “cute” peace sign with the “b” inside the “O” of his signature. Touching.)
* Postal Stamp is Incorrect, Discontinued in 1970
Then, there is the question as to whether the Postal Stamp is real. The “postmark” stamp–labeled “E“–is hard to read, but it is clear that at the bottom is “USPO” which stands typically for United States Post Office. However, current “postmark” validator, registry, or round dater stamps (item 570 per the Postal Operations Manual) shows “USPS” for United States Postal Service. The change from Post Office to Postal Service occurred on August 12, 1970, when President Nixon signed into law the most comprehensive postal legislation since the founding of the Republic–Public Law 91-375. The new Postal Service officially began operations on July 1, 1971.
Why was an old, obsolete postmark round dater stamp used almost ten (10) years after the fact to validate a legal document . . . that just happened to be Barack Obama’s suspicious Selective Service registration form?
* Form Shows Barack Obama didn’t have ID
The SSS Form 1 states “NO ID”, labeled “F“. Since that’s the case, then how did the Hawaiian postal clerk know that the submitter was really Barack H. Obama, who may have been on summer break from attending Occidental College in California. How would they determine whether the registrant was truly registering and not a relative, friend, or other imposter?
* The Selective Service Data Mgt. Center Stonewalled for Almost a Year on Obama Registration, Until Right Before the Election.
The retired federal agent who FOIA’d Barack Obama’s Selective Service Registration Form notes:

Early this year, when I first started questioning whether Obama registered I was told:

Sir: There may be an error in his file or many other reasons why his registration cannot be confirmed on-line. However, I did confirm with our Data Management Center that he is, indeed, registered with the Selective Service System, in compliance with Federal law.
Sincerely,
Janice L. Hughes/SSS

Then, they suddenly found the record on September 9, 2008 (prior to my October 13, 2008 request), and stated that his record was filed on September 4, 1980. Did they temporarily change the date on the computer database?
On the previous FOIA response, they stated that it was filed on September 4, 1980. In my second request I mentioned that Obama could not have filed it in Hawaii on September 4, 1980 as he was attending Occidental College in California, the classes of which commenced August 24, 1980.

* Other Questions: Missing Selective Service Number, FOIA Response Dated Prior to FOIA Request, Missing Printout Page
Where is Obama’s Selective Service number (61-1125539-1) on the card?
And the retired federal agent notes that the Selective Service Data Management Center prepared its response to his FOIA request prior to the request having been made:

The last transaction date is 09/04/80 [DS: labeled "G"], but the date of the printout is 09/09/08 [DS: labeled "H"]. My FOIA was dated October 13 so why did they prepare the printout BEFORE I submitted my FOIA? I gave them no “heads up” that I was sending it. In fact it was not mailed until late October–around the 25th.
Also, notice the printout was page 1 of 2 [DS: labeled "I"].

Hmmm . . . where is the other page, and what’s on it?
A lot of questions here. And a lot of huge hints that this government-released, official Barack Obama Selective Service registration was faked. Either he signed the fake backdated document, or someone else faked his signature and he never registered for the draft (and lied about it).
Which is it?
It’s incredible that our impending Commander-in-Chief either didn’t register for the draft or did so belatedly and fraudulently.
The documents indicate it’s one or the other.
*** UPDATE: Here’s another irregularity that points to fraud, as spotted by reader Joyce:

My husband printed the information provided on your web site regarding Barack Obama’s Selective Service registration discrepancies. I noticed that the DLN number in upper right corner (labeled “A“) has only ten (10) digits with the first two being 08 , but the DLN number shown on the computer screen printout has eleven (11) digits with the first two being 80. It clearly indicates that the “8″ was added at the beginning of the DLN number, in order to appear that it was issued in 1980 and wasn’t simply a reversal of the first two digits as the retired federal agent noted. This in itself appears questionable. I would think there is a standard number of digits in all DLN numbers.

**** UPDATE #2, 11/14/08: Retired Federal Agent Source Reveals Himself:

The recently retired federal agent has requested that I disclose his identity so that there is no question as to the source of the information.
His name is Stephen Coffman. He retired last year from the position of the Resident Agent in Charge of Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Galveston, Texas office. He has over 32 years of government service and has held a Secret or higher security clearance for the majority of those years.
He filed the FOIA with Selective Service and has the original letter and the attachments. He first notified the Selective Service of his findings and they ignored the questions.
He can be reached via email at retirediceagent@sbcglobal.net.

UPDATE #3, 11/17/08: Some Obamapologists are claiming this is a fake and want to see evidence that retired agent Coffman actually got these documents from the Selective Service System Data Management Center. Below are scans of the letter and envelope that accompanied Barack Obama’s fraudulent registration for the draft (I’ve cropped the blank white space):


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 17, 2011, 06:53:50 AM
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in-chief-falsify-selective-service-registration-never-actually-register-obamas-draft-registration-raises-serious-questions



Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: blacken700 on March 17, 2011, 07:03:23 AM
all you post is shit by right wing hacks and call it  truth,your post are getting to be a joke.lets start using some credible news sources for a change. you would think you would know this your suppose to be a lawyer ???


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 17, 2011, 07:05:29 AM
all you post is shit by right wing hacks and call it  truth,your post are getting to be a joke.lets start using some credible news sources for a change. you would think you would know this your suppose to be a lawyer ???

 ::) 

Even 240 agrees that the SS story obama is pushing is pure lies. 


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Kazan on March 17, 2011, 07:06:43 AM
::)  

Even 240 agrees that the SS story obama is pushing is pure lies.  

Why do you even respond? The guy that thinks Cenk what ever the fuck his name is, is a credible source ::) The document is in the article, atleast that is provided and you can come to your own conclusions


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: blacken700 on March 17, 2011, 07:07:49 AM
he also believes 9-11 was an inside job


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 17, 2011, 07:09:13 AM
he also believes 9-11 was an inside job



Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: blacken700 on March 17, 2011, 07:15:40 AM
thats right your a birther  :D that explans what's going on


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 17, 2011, 07:18:49 AM
thats right your a birther  :D that explans what's going on

I am a birther until facts show otherwise.   The only pause I have is th HI newsaper.  Other than that I am full blown birther.   Too much shady shit going on.     


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: 240 is Back on March 17, 2011, 09:05:52 AM
he also believes 9-11 was an inside job

911 isn't fully explained by the 911 commission report, if that's what you mean.  The majority of americans agree, polls show.  So it's really the marginal, minority CT to believe the official story ;)



The birth cert issue is a valid one, no doubt about it. 


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 17, 2011, 02:02:15 PM
911 isn't fully explained by the 911 commission report, if that's what you mean.  The majority of americans agree, polls show.  So it's really the marginal, minority CT to believe the official story ;)



The birth cert issue is a valid one, no doubt about it. 

This is why I like Trump.    No one else can get away with this. 

http://nation.foxnews.com/donald-trump/2011/03/17/trump-says-he-has-doubts-about-obamas-birthplace



Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 18, 2011, 05:47:59 AM
Does President Obama Have a Bogus Social Security Number?
Blogspot.com ^ | 03/17/2011 | Jack Cashill




"All I can say,” says Daniels of 042-68-4425, “is that it’s phony and [Obama] has been using it, with it first appearing on his selective service document in 1980.”

Daniels sent me a copy of the hand-written application of the individual who held the number immediately before Obama’s, 042-68-4424. The applicant, Thomas Wood, died at age nineteen which is why his information is available.

Wood's Social Security number was issued sometime between March and May of 1977. Obama would turn sixteen in August of that year. Woods lived on Glenview Drive in Newington, Connecticut, the state from which all “042s” applied. Obama lived in Hawaii.

True to form, the left-leaning media set out to undermine the Social Security controversy and ridicule the investigators. Revealing, however, is the weakness of the response."



Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: 240 is Back on March 18, 2011, 07:09:49 AM
This is why I like Trump.    No one else can get away with this. 

http://nation.foxnews.com/donald-trump/2011/03/17/trump-says-he-has-doubts-about-obamas-birthplace

Who said he got away with it?  MSNBC's new description of Trump is "Birther Donald Trump, now on board with orally tate, seen here screaming at the top of her lungs at a tree..."


Have you seen trump's interview?  me, me, I I I.  I'm super rich, I'm super smart... sorry, people aren't going to respond to that.


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 18, 2011, 07:13:48 AM
Who said he got away with it?  MSNBC's new description of Trump is "Birther Donald Trump, now on board with orally tate, seen here screaming at the top of her lungs at a tree..."


Have you seen trump's interview?  me, me, I I I.  I'm super rich, I'm super smart... sorry, people aren't going to respond to that.

240 - come on - even you had to laugh at the birther comment by Trump. 


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 23, 2011, 12:13:35 PM
Another Look at Obama’s Social Security Number
Cashill.com ^ | 3-17-11 | Jack Cashill




While out promoting my new book, “Deconstructing Obama,” I have been asked a few times about Obama’s mysterious Social Security number.

Not knowing enough to speak authoritatively, I chose to swim upstream through the data flood and head for the source.

Here I found a no-nonsense licensed investigator from Ohio named Susan Daniels. Widowed at 30 with seven children, Daniels went back to school and eventually emerged as a certified paralegal.

After several years working for others, Daniels got her own license as an investigator in 1995. Since then, she has specialized in litigation support for law firms. Her particular strength has been in researching assets.

By her own admission, Daniels is “good with public records.” She knows her way around databases and has access to many that the public does not.

“I did not like the way things were going,” Daniels says of the country’s drift circa 2009. And so in the best spirit of citizen journalism, she began to investigate Obama on her own.

What she and fellow investigator Neil Sankey unearthed was a nugget that could have ended the career of a George Bush or a Sarah Plain: Barack Obama had been using a social security number issued in Connecticut between 1977 and 1979, a state in which he never lived or even visited at that time in his life.

This will not come as news to the readers of WorldNetDaily, whose thorough investigation climaxed last June when WND’s veteran White House correspondent Les Kinsolving confronted Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs on the subject.

Predictably, Gibbs laughed Kinsolving off and switched the subject to the birth certificate. Kinsolving had seen this kind of laugh and switch before. In 1982, for instance, he introduced the subject of AIDS to then press secretary Larry Speakes.

“Over a third of [the victims] have died,” said Kinsolving. “It’s known as ‘gay plague.’”

“I don’t have it. Do you?” joked Speakes to a general round of laughter. But unlike Gibbs, Speakes simply did not know any better.

As much as Daniels appreciates the work of WND and other serious investigators who have helped clarify the picture, she is distressed by the few who have clouded it.

“There have been many playing junior investigator from the start,” she jokes. “I don't know if they even have their decoder rings yet.”

This being the case, I asked Daniels to guide me through the data mine field and help me ascertain what we know for sure about the world’s best-known social security number--042-68-4425.

“All I can say,” says Daniels of 042-68-4425, “is that it’s phony and [Obama] has been using it, with it first appearing on his selective service document in 1980.”

Daniels sent me a copy of the hand-written application of the individual who held the number immediately before Obama’s, 042-68-4424. The applicant, Thomas Wood, died at age nineteen which is why his information is available.

Wood's Social Security number was issued sometime between March and May of 1977. Obama would turn sixteen in August of that year. Woods lived on Glenview Drive in Newington, Connecticut, the state from which all “042s” applied. Obama lived in Hawaii.

True to form, the left-leaning media set out to undermine the Social Security controversy and ridicule the investigators. Revealing, however, is the weakness of the response.

“Numbers are assigned based on the return address on the request envelope, not residency,” crowed Jason Linkins in the Huffington Post as though he had said something meaningful. Linkins suggested two possible explanations, both preposterous.

One is that Obama applied for his SSN as a little boy in Indonesia for no known reason, and the application just happened to be processed in Connecticut for no known reason either.

For the second, Jinkins cited the argument of Carole Glibert, in the Yahoo-related “Associated Content.” Said Gilbert, presumably with a straight face, “In fact, Barack Obama's dad attended college in Connecticut and in 1977, Obama was college aged; is it beyond reason to consider that he might have checked out his father's alma mater?”

Last time I checked, Harvard was in Massachusetts. The closest town to Harvard in Connecticut is about 90 minutes away, and there is no record that Obama Sr. lived there, let alone that Obama visited his imaginary alma mater and just happened to apply for a Social Security card while visiting.

Daniels also sent me a copy of Obama’s Selective Service data. Obama appears to have registered on September 4, 1980, a month after his nineteenth birthday. The form lists the telling last four digits of his “042” number, “4425.”

This is the first use of the “042” number that Daniels could find. She is just not sure it is legitimate. Some have credibly argued that the Selective Service information was forged and backdated once Obama became a presidential candidate.

“They were stupid to use the CT number on the [Selective Service] card,” Daniels adds, “because now there is no way for [Obama] to back out of that number.”

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Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Freeborn126 on March 24, 2011, 03:27:19 PM
Dude is a signature CIA manchurian candidate.  Groomed from childhood to be our president. 


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: 240 is Back on March 24, 2011, 03:52:21 PM
240 - come on - even you had to laugh at the birther comment by Trump. 

Nope.  All I could do is shake my head and say "How can so many educated people take Trump seriously?  he's an egomaniac - I dont think you can even deny that.  Can't stop talking about how rich and smart he is.   He took money from terrorists.  He is immature and just says these unrealistic things - "OPEC will lower oil prices because I'll tell them to!"

If it wasn't a TV star - if it was Joe the Welder from Pittsburgh telling you he will tell OPEC what to do, you'd laugh. 


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: tonymctones on March 24, 2011, 03:58:13 PM
the egomaniac comment is funny coming from someone who has his head so far up barracks ass you can taste his lunch


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: 240 is Back on March 24, 2011, 04:06:14 PM
the egomaniac comment is funny coming from someone who has his head so far up barracks ass you can taste his lunch

you've never asked me. 
obama is a total egomaniac.  he's so full of himself it's unbelievable.  Acts like kanye west.

what's your take on trump, tony?  egomaniac?


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: tonymctones on March 24, 2011, 04:12:24 PM
you've never asked me. 
obama is a total egomaniac.  he's so full of himself it's unbelievable.  Acts like kanye west.

what's your take on trump, tony?  egomaniac?
i think he is a complete moron...

its all an act if you ask me, trump has created a persona and he is playing to it if you ask me.


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: 240 is Back on March 24, 2011, 04:17:29 PM
its all an act if you ask me, trump has created a persona and he is playing to it if you ask me.


I'm with you on that.  He'll get 100 million people to tune in to his show's season finale, where he'll announce he's not running.

America will be OWNED.  period.  He's using this to pimp his show.  Just like he did with his divorce, his ongoing feuds with Whoopi, Rosie, etc.  He has used a series of publicity stunts with every show's season. 

that Trump Comedy Central Roast... I mean, we're hearing about how many cawks were ingested by Lisa Lameneli before lunchtime today... NO serious presidential contender would do that. 

Plus, he's a frigging liberal.  he supports universal healthcare!  He supports the assault weapons ban!  Like in 2008, where repubs like 33 voted romney cause "he's a businessman!" without looking at the positions/experience the candidate has...

it's the same thing again.  People are infatuated with a TV star and cheer him on.  They don't 'get' that a boring, experienced person will beat obama.  An immature, obnoxious media whore will not.


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 29, 2011, 07:17:08 PM
bump


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 30, 2011, 11:56:29 AM

Springs man's claim to have Obama records starts buzz
Comments 117
March 29, 2011 5:47 PM
MATT STEINER
THE GAZETTE



A Colorado Springs “birther,” retired Air Force Col. Gregory Hollister, has Internet blogs abuzz with what may be an illegal foray into an online Social Security data base and how he obtained a copy of President Barack Obama’s draft registration from 1980.

“Col. Greg Hollister, USAF (Ret.) contacted the Selective Service, falsely impersonated President Obama, improperly registered his own address as President Obama’s address, and by this false impersonation and identity theft he managed to obtain a duplicate registration acknowledgement card with President Obama’s Selective Service information on it,” a blogger posted on gratewire.com last week. “This may violate several federal criminal statutes, and apparently caused the federal record of President Obama’s address with the Selective Service to be altered to show that he lives in Colorado Springs, CO.”

Hollister said Tuesday a private investigator, Susan Daniels of Ohio, gave him what is purported to be the president’s Social Security number. He then accessed the Social Security Number Verification Service to find out to whom it was issued and to access Selective Service documents.

The site allows registered users to verify names and Social Security numbers for employment purposes and warns that using it under false pretenses is a violation of federal law.

“According to the Social Security Administration, that number was never issued,” said Hollister, who challenged whether the president is an American citizen in a lawsuit the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear Jan. 18 without requiring a response from the White House.
However, that’s the Social Security number that appears on the Selective Service documents Hollister obtained.

Hollister and others in the birther movement claim Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia and that his birth certificate showing he was born in Honolulu in 1961 is a forgery.

Being born outside the U.S. makes him ineligible to be president, they claim, because the Constitution requires the president to be a natural born citizen.

Hollister said the Social Security number on what he says is Obama’s draft registration begins with the numbers 042, which would be issued to someone born in Connecticut, not Hawaii.

Last week, California attorney Orly Taitz, who has led the legal challenges to Obama’s citizenship, filed an amended complaint in her latest lawsuit demanding Obama’s Social Security records, attaching as an exhibit the draft registration mailed to an address in Colorado Springs, according to the Reality Check Radio Blog.

It is unknown if the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Denver is investigating Hollister’s use of the data bases and obtaining Obama’s draft records.

Hollister denied breaking any laws.

“I was very meticulous and made sure everything I did was compliant with the law,” Hollister said, noting that he sent Obama an 1099 tax form.

A 1099 is an IRS income reporting form for independent contractors and free-lancers. Hollister did not explain how sending that to Obama complies with federal laws on the use of Social Security data.

Daniels said her doubts about Obama’s citizenship have only been reinforced by what Hollister found out.

Hollister said he started questioning Obama’s citizenship because as a retired Air Force officer he is subject to recall to active duty until he dies and he needs to be sure that Obama has the authority to give those orders.



Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/springs-115381-colorado-obama.html#ixzz1I761t2o3



Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: MB on March 30, 2011, 12:25:04 PM
He obviously has a shady past or all this would be public.  Either he used a false SSN to get out of any military obligation or he doesn't have a valid SSN. 


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 30, 2011, 12:28:14 PM
He obviously has a shady past or all this would be public.  Either he used a false SSN to get out of any military obligation or he doesn't have a valid SSN. 

From what i have gathered, its a SS number reserved for CT residents and was used to get him a phoney passport in order to travel to Indonensia.  Once there, they listed him as "Barry Soetoro" to sign him up for school as an indonesian resident.

I believe he also used this fake SS number to travel to Pakistan in the 80's for some bizarre reason still not explained.     


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: MB on March 30, 2011, 01:57:11 PM
From what i have gathered, its a SS number reserved for CT residents and was used to get him a phoney passport in order to travel to Indonensia.  Once there, they listed him as "Barry Soetoro" to sign him up for school as an indonesian resident.

I believe he also used this fake SS number to travel to Pakistan in the 80's for some bizarre reason still not explained.     

It's unbelievable that we have a President who registered with Selective Service using a phony SSN and it's treated as no big deal.  He is pulling the biggest con in history and is getting away with it. 


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Option D on March 31, 2011, 01:18:53 PM
i think he is a complete moron...
its all an act if you ask me, trump has created a persona and he is playing to it if you ask me.

and 333 says he should be president..


ill say it again.. Ralph Nader for president.. Does he look depressing.. yes.. a little like droopy... but i think his economic ideas are good


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 31, 2011, 03:34:29 PM
Mal does anything in this thread disturb you besides its myself posting it? 


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: tu_holmes on March 31, 2011, 04:23:26 PM
There's a lot disturbing in this thread.


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 01, 2011, 04:28:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1hheX7uTak


Title: Re: Obama's 16 Different Social Security Numbers
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 01, 2011, 04:52:11 AM
More proof of COLB fraud.   The race listed on Obama's COLB says his fathers' ace was "AFRICAN".   However, at the time, that was nt an option as the only designation was Negro, Caucasion, etc.   

This whole lie is coming undone by the day.   


Title: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 02, 2011, 07:03:04 PM
Saturday, April 2, 2011
FINAL REPORT: Obama's Birth Announcements Fail To Indicate "Natural Born" Status




A new investigation of Obama’s birth announcements appearing in Hawaii’s two primary newspapers in August, 1961 shows, conclusively, they were the result of a registration record taken by the municipal health authority, not a medically verified “Live" birth documented as occurring at a Hawaiian hospital, per an officially defined "vital event" by the U.S. Department of Health, National Vital Statistics Division protocols.

By Penbrook Johannson
Editor of the Daily Pen

In August, 1961, two announcements allegedly showing a “native” birth for Barack Obama were published in Hawaii’s two primary newspapers, the Sunday Advertiser and the Honolulu Star. For more than three years since Obama engaged his unvetted candidacy for the presidency, many of his supporters have lauded these blurbish announcements as the "holy grail" of proof that he was born in the state of Hawaii.

However, a detailed investigation of the history and procedures used by Hawaii’s municipal health department, and its relationship with the newspapers, shows that not only was it a matter of official policy that Obama’s birth would have been announced in the paper regardless of where he was born, the information used to publish the announcements is not even confirmed through any eye-witness medical authority or hospital in the state.

Also, in 1961, the two newspapers shared the same address and facility which means they received only one copy of the same vital records information from the Department of Health. Therefore, the format and content of information used in public announcements were published identically by both papers, including any mistakes, omissions, order or context, and no investigation was carried out by the editors to determine if the information provided by the DOH was actually accurate. The two newspapers have long since collaborated into one organization.

Now, however, collaborative information from the archive of the U.S. Department of Health’s 1961 Report on Vital Statistics of the U.S – Volume 1: Natality, and Hawaii’s Administrative rules governing the creation of vital records finally reveals the truth about how these announcements were published and why they are mistakenly used by pundits to promote a misguided message about Obama.

The Daily Pen’s, Dan Crosby, engaged a two month long research project on location in Hawaii, to, once and for all, close the door on questions about the facts and bring the long-due invalidation of the authority of these fallow Hawaiian birth announcements in quaint newspapers to support Obama's eligibility to be president.

Recall, for more than two years, major media personalities, such as Bill O’reilly, Chris Matthews and recently fired, Keith Olbermann have enjoyed poking fun with the announcements essentially saying to their viewers that the very presence of these announcements means one of only two exclusive options: 1. They are a legitimate and accurate indication of Obama’s geographic birth in Hawaii, or 2. They are the result of some crazy 50-year-long conspiracy concocted by members of Obama’s family and newspaper editors at the time in order to enable Obama to use the announcements some time later as primary evidence that he was born in Hawaii in the event he might run for president some day.

In his investigation, Crosby found confirmed and easily accessible evidence that neither of these choices apply to Obama’s records. In fact, the explanation is far less sensational and simple that it reveals that Mr. Obama (Soetoro) simply benefitted from a commonly used practice in the state of Hawaii applied for thousands of births which were registered there, but which did not occur there.

“The birth announcements were printed from unconfirmed information provided to the Newspapers by the Department of Health without the DOH or newspaper editors confirming the actual location of the birth with any hospital in Hawaii,” says Crosby in a phone call from Oahu, “I found thousands of birth registration records of children born outside of Hawaii who have their announcements published in these two newspapers by cross referencing the announcements with the U.S. Department of Health Vital Records Report for Hawaii.”

Recall that Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8 allows the state Health Department to register the foreign birth of any child as a native Hawaiian birth if the parents of that child can be proven to the satisfaction and criteria of the Director of the Department of Health only, they were residence of Hawaii within one year of the birth, regardless of the location of the birth. This law then mandates that the vital records registrar must register the birth with the vital records office in coordination with an official, original Hawaiian birth record.

“They (newspaper editors) don’t confirm “native” birth status,” continued Crosby, “The newspaper doesn’t care if the birth occurred in the local hospital. They don’t even print that. They merely published information provided to them directly and exclusively from the Department of Health in 1961, which means that any birth meeting the criteria of this law can be registered, and therefore published in a newspaper announcement.”

“The birth location is mistakenly implied by people because it appears in this newspaper. I also found several birth records in Japan for birth's registered in Hawaii.” A review of all the birth announcements in Hawaii in 1961 reveals other evidence suggesting a disconnect between the Department of Health and Hawaii’s hospitals.

First of all, as shown by Crosby, all the announcements show the parents as married and living at the same address.

“This is not merely a majority of the announcements, this is actually all of them. Every single one! Approximately 16,000 in all!” Crosby said.

He continued, “This is a significant indication that the newspapers actually do not investigate the information provided by the DOH (Department of Health). If they did, they would have seen that there are more than 1000 births recorded in Hawaii in 1961 in which the parents were not married and/or only the mother is recorded as the parent, yet the papers still publish Mr. and Mrs. ‘Whoever’ in the announcement because that is the information registered, not medically verified.”

If the DOH doesn’t include accurate information about the parents for birth announcements, in all cases, what makes people conclude a native birth even though the DOH also omits accurate information about the location of the birth, as well? Crosby also discovered that the announcements are in a tale-tell order which exposes a shocking fact about Obama’s birth announcements.

“Did anyone notice the announcements are not in any alphabetic order, or in order of birthdate? This is because, in 1961, birth registration numbers were issued based on the location of the local Vital Records office in which the registration was recorded. The hospital does not assign these numbers, the DOH does. It appears that Obama’s birth was registered in an office not used by any of the birth registrations offices who received birth certification from either Kapi-olani Medical Center, or Queens Medical Center which use two local offices near those facilities,” said Crosby.

He continued, “It appears Obama’s birth was registered with the satellite office near his grandparent’s home some distance from the offices nearest to and most used by the hospitals. This particular office was commonly used by indigenous people of Hawaii wanting to record births of children outside of the city. This is why the U.S. Department of Health created the Certificate of Live Birth template in 1959 with a check box indicating whether or not the child was born in the city limits and if the residence of the mother was a farm or not. It appears Obama’s birth at least did not occur in the city of Honolulu and, at most, did not even occur in the state of Hawaii.”

In 1956, the National Vital Statistics Division of the U.S. Department of Health issued a revised template version of the “Certificate of Live Birth” form to be used by state municipalities to record and medically verify births. Since Hawaii had not yet become a state, these revisions to the template would not be used in Hawaii until 1959. Therefore, birth records created after 1959 were subject to demographic clarifications and metrics prescribed by the federal authority of the U.S. Department of Health, not the state of Hawaii.

“This also explains why Obama’s birth announcements appear in the succession of announcements where and when they do. His alleged “Certification of Live Birth” is not approved by any federal authority as an official source of demographic data or medical verification of his birth. It is merely a record of birth registration. Therefore, the order of printing of announcements in the local papers comes directly from the list which is ordered based on the birth registration office location, not the chronological or alphabetical order of the medically verified birth.”

Crosby’s says the difference between “medically verified” and “registration” are significant. He interviewed former Vital Records Adminstration, Martin Hesch in order to gain understanding of the different procedures and authorities used to create vital records and public announcements in a medical verification process as opposed to merely registering a vital event with a municipal office.

“I think people simply want to believe a simple equation to this issue,” said Hesch, when asked why he thought so many people ignorantly believe what they are told about Obama’s records.

“That is why they think that a birth announcement in a local paper is somehow an automatic indication of a local birth. Unfortunately, they wrongly accept a locally appearing birth announcement as an indication of medically confirmed ‘local birth’ and that just simply is not the way it is in most cases in Hawaii in early part of its history. The media also wants Barack Obama’s natal circumstances and documentation to fit the traditional record model because it is too disturbing to them to think that they were so easily deceived… but we also now know they do not fit this model.”

Hesch went on to explain that there two primary authorities to consider when understanding vital records administration. First, you have the medical verification of a vital event, like a birth or death, and you have the administrative process which documents, records and files them.

“Birth events and deaths are unique because they require medical verification in the form of official original documentation attested by a medical authority, and, most importantly, the possession of that original documentation is maintained by the local authority,” says Hesch.

“However, an administrative process such as that used in birth registrations (not medical verifications), marriages, divorces or amendments to vital records are presided over by legislative rule, not medical standards. This means that they are not exclusive to some originating medical authority. That is not to say that a judge in a divorce case would not require a medical record in making legal decisions, it just means that the standards used to document administrative processes are different than those used to document a medically verifiable vital event in the U.S.”

Hesch explained this is why it is possible to publish a birth announcement for a non-native birth. The announcements in the newspapers are the result of the registration records held by the administrative authority, not the records created by the medical authority.

“The birth announcement is automatically triggered by the creation of the registration through administrative process, when the municipal record is provided to the newspaper, not the creation of a medical verification record by a medical doctor or hospital,” he said.

“The birth can actually occur anywhere and if the announcement does not disclose the location, there is no way to know from just the public announcement whether the vital event is a local occurrence or not.”

Hesch’s explanation brings clarity to Obama’s birth announcements. Conclusively, Obama’s birth was registered in the state of Hawaii, but the announcements were not an indication that it was medically verified as occurring there.

“So, let me get this straight. People who think that Obama's birth announcements mean that he was born in Hawaii actually believe that the newspaper editors of the 1960’s received thousands of different notices from thousands of different doctors from multiple hospitals and villages throughout Hawaii and then they organized them in some highly coordinated manner for publication in non-computerized publishing system?” asked Hesch, incredulously.

"That is utterly ridiculous," he continued, “that is why the DOH pools this information and provided it for public announcements and why the newspapers accepted the information from the DOH without verifying the facts. The verification process would have been staggering and so time intensive for the newspaper deadlines.”

“If people would turn off the T.V. and just investigate this stuff for five minutes, they would feel stupid when they realize how simple and unimpressive the reality is,” he said.

In fact, the evidence shows that the original medical verification, in the form of what would be a U.S. Certificate of Live Birth signed by an attending physician and attested by a hospital administrator, simply does not exist in a form or content which would promote Obama’s “natural born status”.

Hesch agreed that there is probably information in the original medical birth record which undermines Obama’s identity as a politician and that is the reason why Obama is refusing to disclose it.

“Oh, sure, he is hiding something,” he said, “that is a fact and that is the only reason NOT to disclose it. Because, if the original medical record supported his current identity, he would be stupid to keep it hidden. It would only support him in that case.”

When asked his opinion about Obama’s case, Hesch said that is a certainty in his mind that Obama’s birth documentation was subjected to administrative processes or amendments and that his medically verified natal records show information that the local vital records authority is able to protect under law under the guise of identity protection.

“Of course, it’s ridiculous,” said Hesch, “the Secret Service is not required here. This is natal information which occurred 50 years ago, not a public appearance where the president is under any threat. The only reason to hide the original record is to protect something Obama doesn’t want people to know about him and how that information adversely impacts his ability to be president. It’s plain and simple to me.”

In the medical verification process, a registered professional of a federal board must document the circumstances and metrics of a birth. However, the administrative process used to the document the event for municipal purposes is not bound by medical requirements to accurately express those same circumstances because the vital records data is applied under different authoritative functions. Census reports, vital records reports and demographic data serve a different purpose than health report data. Hesch explained that the reasons for this level of administrative complexity comes from Hawaii’s historically plural culture where you have indigenous, native Oceanic, Asian and, of course, American peoples mixing in the population. Since Hawaii is unique in this and that it was a remote, detached territory prior to becoming a part of the U.S., it was necessary to “customize” much of their vital records processes in order to include all those who would be eligible for U.S. citizenry after the island nation became a state. This meant that including non-native births was necessary because the islands of Hawaii were so permeable to migration.

Therefore, it has now been confirmed by authorities in Hawaii and abroad that Obama’s birth announcements appeared in two local Hawaiian newspapers without the birth having been medically verified as occurring in Hawaii. The announcements are automatically triggered from information provided by the Department of Health, not the hospital. Therefore, since we already know that Hawaii's Health Department registered foreign births, the announcements would include births for these registrations as well, along with local birth registrations.

As a final statement to Bill O’reilly, Chris Matthews and the remaining ignorant slew of media hacks, we would like to say this:

Your failure to investigate these facts has undermined your profession and made you look pathetically wanton as journalists. If you would have taken just two more steps in your shallow observations, just one more level down into the actual truth, you have come to the same facts about Obama’s natal history as the internet community has. Instead, you chose to glance at the drive-by message and believe what some deceitful political animal told you about the matter. Now, Obama has made you look like a fool.


http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/04/final-report-obamas-birth-announcements.html


Posted by Penbrook One at 5:50 AM 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 02, 2011, 07:16:36 PM
In fact, the evidence shows that the original medical verification, in the form of what would be a U.S. Certificate of Live Birth signed by an attending physician and attested by a hospital administrator, simply does not exist in a form or content which would promote Obama’s “natural born status”.  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 02, 2011, 07:18:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZpwcRf3FQ


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 02, 2011, 07:21:54 PM
Isn't Bogus Info On Selective Service Forms a Crime? The Market Ticker ® - Commentary on The Capital Markets Posted 2011-03-31 13:36
by Karl Denninger


in Politics Isn't Bogus Info On Selective Service Forms a Crime?
 
 
I'm not going to get into the general "birther" thing, for a whole host of reasons.

But there is one piece of information that I do find curious - the apparent uncovering of President Obama's actual selective service (draft) registration.  I was required to file one of these when I reached 18, and I was born near the same time Obama was.  I didn't like it very much, but I told the truth, because right there on the form was a statement that if I didn't, I was committing a federal offense.

Well, have a look at this document - the last page of it in particular.

That Social Security number was issued from the Connecticut office, but Obama never lived there.  Nor, at the age it was applied for (obviously prior to his 18th birthday) would he have had Presidential (or other similar) aspirations, so there would have been no reason to play games.

Leaving aside the "birther" thing, what's going on here with Selective Service?  Problems with selective service registrations have derailed other candidates and office-holders in the past.  I'm sure everyone remembers all the howling about alleged special treatment that Bush received......

Well, if it's relevant for a Republican office-holder, why isn't it when the man in the office is a Democrat?

Incidentally, they're threatening to prosecute the guy who uncovered this... I thought "whistle-blowers" were generally thought of as good things?

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2490825



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 02, 2011, 07:26:29 PM
Confirmed: Stanley Ann Dunham began studies in September 1961, not August 66
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REGISTRAR’S OFFICE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON CONFIRMS START DATE WAS IN SEPTEMBER 1961
by Sharon Rondeau



Stanley Ann Dunham's 1960 high school graduation photograph

(Aug. 22, 2010) — The Post & Email can confirm that the alleged mother of Barack Hussein Obama, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, began her course of study at the University of Washington in September 1961, not August 19, 1961, as has been widely reported.

One source of information whose work is widely disseminated on the internet does not mention her attendance at the University of Washington at all.  A Facebook page created for her the day after the 2008 presidential election also fails to include that detail of her life.

Following up on a tip received recently from a private researcher, The Post & Email obtained confirmation from the registrar’s office at the University of Washington that Dunham’s classes began in September 1961.

There has been much speculation as to how a young woman of 18 could have given birth to a child on August 4, 1961 and begun classes, albeit evening and/or correspondence classes, on August 19 of the same year.

August 19 was a Saturday.  The electronic version of the University of Washington 1961 General Archive shows that with the exception of legal holidays such as New Year’s Day, classes always began on a Monday.

A recent investigation of a researcher who looked into Stanley Ann Dunham’s whereabouts has confirmed that she was listed in the Polk’s Directory of 1961-62 as living in Seattle, WA, but the question of when she actually moved there  or from where is open.

After receiving the tip, The Post & Email sent the following email to the Registrar at the University of Washington:

From:  Sharon Rondeau
Sent: Thu 8/12/10 9:32 PM
To: vedwards@u.washington.edu
Subject: ATTENDANCE DATES AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON FOR STANLEY ANN DUNHAM OBAMA

Hello, Ms. Edwards, I am inquiring about the records of the above deceased person who attended your university in the 1960s.  I have heard that there is some question as to whether or not Ms. Obama began her studies at U of W in August 1961 or September 1961.  Is there any way I can obtain a copy of her record with the correct attendance dates?

Thank you very much.

Sharon Rondeau

The following response was received on August 12, 2010:

From: Virjean Edwards (vedwards@u.washington.edu)
Sent: Thu 8/12/10 9:33 PM
To: Sharon Rondeau

I am away from the office August 13 and 16. I will respond when I return . If you need an immediate response, please send your email to registra@u.washington.edu. Thank you!

Virjean Hanson Edwards
Deputy University Registrar

An email was then sent to the alternate contact address:

From: Sharon Rondeau
Sent: Thu 8/12/10 9:37 PM
To: registra@u.washington.edu

Hello, I had sent an email to Ms. Virjean Edwards, whose automated response indicated that she will be out of the office until Aug. 17.

Would you be able to confirm the start date of Ms. Obama’s attendance at your institution?  Some reports say that she began extension and/or correspondence courses in August 1961; other reports say September 1961.  As Ms. Obama is deceased, could I obtain a copy of her transcript?

Thank you very much.

Sharon Rondeau

and the following response was received:

From: regoff@u.washington.edu
Sent: Fri 8/13/10 1:11 PM
To: Sharon Rondeau

Sharon,

We are unable to confirm that information. Approval to release that information needs to come from Virjean Edwards so you will need to go through her in order to obtain that information.

Sincerely,

Registration & Transcripts
University of Washington
225 Schmitz Hall

To which we responded:

From: Sharon Rondeau
Sent: Fri 8/13/10 4:10 PM
To: regoff@u.washington.edu

OK, thank you very much.  I will touch base with her next week.

Sharon Rondeau

Because of her time away from the office, The Post & Email waited a few days for Ms. Edwards to respond to our original inquiry.  When we didn’t hear, we followed up:

From: Sharon Rondeau
Sent: Fri 8/20/10 12:15 PM
To: vedwards@u.washington.edu
Subject: ATTENDANCE DATES AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON FOR STANLEY ANN DUNHAM OBAMA

Hello, Ms. Edwards, were you able to ascertain whether or not Stanley Ann Dunham began her studies at the University of Washington in August or September 1961?

Thank you.

Sharon Rondeau

to which Ms. Edwards promptly replied:

From: Virjean H. Edwards (vedwards@u.washington.edu)
Sent: Sat 8/21/10 4:19 PM
To: ‘Sharon Rondeau’

Hello Ms. Rondeau

Yes, it was definitely September 1961.    We located the 1961 Time Schedule which shows the date all classes began.
________________________ ________________________ _____

Virjean Hanson Edwards
Interim University Registrar
University of Washington
206-685-2553
Fax # 206-685-3660
210 Schmitz Hall
Box 355850
Seattle, WA 98195

The following email was sent by Ms. Virjean Edwards to the original researcher on July 26, 2010:

This is to confirm that when Ms. Obama’s record was entered into the Student Data Base, an error had been made and the month was entered as August (8) and not September (9).  The staff person made an honest mistake since on the original record the 9 is typed on the line which makes the 9 look like an 8. Our office investigated this, found that the class did not begin until September so corrected the on-line transcript changing the month from August to September.

If you have any other questions about this please contact me.

________________________ ________________________ _____
Virjean Hanson Edwards
Interim University Registrar
University of Washington
206-543-3290
Fax # 206-221-4423
Schmitz Hall
Box 355850
Seattle, WA 98195


Grade record from Stanley Ann Dunham Obama's fall 1961 and spring 1962 semesters at the University of Washington

Detail from a registration form for Stanley Ann Dunham Obama for the University of Washington for the spring semester, 1962
The University of Hawaii has reported that Stanley Ann attended its Manoa campus in the fall of 1960 and did not return until spring 1963:



Letter from the Registrar at the University of Hawaii confirming Stanley Ann Dunham's attendance dates
Mr. Christopher Strunk and Mr. Kenneth Allen had sent in Freedom of Information Act requests in November 2008 and February 2009, respectively, regarding passport and other records from 1960 and later for Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, who became Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro.  In both cases, the State Department refused to release the requested information until after the requesters filed lawsuits.  When information was finally released to both plaintiffs on July 29, 2010, no documents from the period 1960-64 were included.

In the case of Mr. Strunk, some documents were released which were responsive to his request, but the cover letter from the Bureau of Consular Affairs, Passport Services stated that “We did not locate a 1965 passport application referenced in an application for amendment of passport that is included in the released documents.  Many passport applications and other non-vital records from that period were destroyed during the 1980s in accordance with guidance from the General Services Administration.”

A previous letter to Mr. Strunk dated Februrary 3, 2009 incorrectly stated that “There are no entry/exit records available prior to 1982, either in electronic or paper format” (page 17 of exhibit).

Information requested on Obama’s travel records, birth registration documents, and possible adoption papers was denied by invoking the Privacy Act of 1974 (page 26).

If there is no record of Stanley Ann Dunham being in Hawaii during 1961, where was she?  Why are various government departments stonewalling citizens’ requests for documentation from that period? Is it possible she traveled to Kenya or Indonesia and gave birth there?  Many Africans seem to think so, as reported here, here, here, and here.

Earlier today this writer heard Fr. Jonathan Morris, Religion Contributor at Fox News Channel, state on “Fox & Friends” to anchor Alisyn Camerota while discussing Obama’s lack of public expression of his alleged Christian faith, that Obama “was born in a Muslim country,” to which Camerota replied, with the camera focused squarely on her, “No, he was born here” without further explanation or questioning of how Morris arrived at his statement.  Camerota did not offer any evidence to support her own statement and the conversation about Obama’s questionable Christianity continued.

An editorial from last summer at Fox News online raises the possibility that Obama was born in a foreign country and explains how Obama could put an end to the questions regarding his birthplace and other details of his life.

While the final letter to Strunk does not explicitly say that Dunham’s passport applications were destroyed, it implies such, referencing “guidance” from the General Services Administration.  However, does any evidence exist which would support that statement?  The Post & Email is investigating.

A video of the exchange between Fr. Morris and Camerota is here.



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Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 02, 2011, 07:29:51 PM
Sunday, June 27, 2004
 
 
 
 
     
 
 
Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.

Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.
   
Barrack Obama
 

"It’s clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race," Ryan, 44, said in a statement. "What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign – the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play."

Although Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one ‘avant-garde’ club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable, lashed out at the media and said it was "truly outrageous" that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.

The Republican choice will become an instant underdog in the campaign for the seat of retiring Republican Senator Peter Fitzgerald, since Obama held a wide lead even before the scandal broke.

"I feel for him actually," Obama told a Chicago TV station. "What he’s gone through over the last three days I think is something you wouldn’t wish on anybody."

The Republican state committee must now choose a replacement for Ryan, who had won in the primaries against seven contenders. Its task is complicated by the fact that Obama holds a comfortable lead in the polls and is widely regarded as a rising Democratic star.

The chairwoman of the Illinois Republican Party, Judy Topinka, said at a news conference, after Ryan withdrew, that Republicans would probably take several weeks to settle on a new candidate.

"Obviously, this is a bad week for our party and our state," she said.

As recently as Thursday, spokesmen for the Ryan campaign still insisted that Ryan would remain in the race. Ryan had defended himself saying, "There’s no breaking of any laws. There’s no breaking of any marriage laws. There’s no breaking of the Ten Commandments anywhere."

 

—AP

 
 
 
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 02, 2011, 07:31:51 PM
Obama himself was putting out in 2004, that he was born in Kenya.


What most people know is that the Associated Press (AP) is one of the largest, internationally recognized, syndicated news services.  What most people don’t know that is in 2004, the AP was a “birther” news organization.

How so?  Because in a syndicated report, published Sunday, June 27, 2004, by the Kenyan Standard Times, and which was, as of this report, available at

 http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

 The AP reporter stated the following:

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.


This report explains the context of the oft cited debate, between Obama and Keyes in the following Fall, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a “natural born citizen”, and in which Obama, by his quick retort, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency”, self-admitted that he was not eligible for the office.  Seeing that an AP reporter is too professional to submit a story which was not based on confirmed sources (ostensibly the Obama campaign in this case), the inference seems inescapable: Obama himself was putting out in 2004, that he was born in Kenya.

The difficulty in finding this gem of a story is hampered by Google, which is running flak for Obama:  because if you search for “Kenyan-born US Senate” you won’t find it, but if you search for the phrase without quotes you will find links which talk about it.

For those who believe what they see, here is the screen capture of the page from the Kenyan Sunday Standard, electronic edition, of June 27, 2004 — Just in case that page is scrubbed from the Web Archive:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

John Charlton
The Post & Email
October 16, 2009


 http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=8075



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 02, 2011, 07:38:57 PM
Difference between a long form BC and what bama put out.  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: George Whorewell on April 03, 2011, 01:46:39 AM
Everything in this thread is false. Obama is black and can speak English without using repeated profanity. Therefore, if you question anything about his background you are a racist.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 03, 2011, 03:16:57 AM
Lol.  This issue is not going away any time soon. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 03, 2011, 04:19:31 AM

April 03, 2011
The Unified Theory of Obama
By Clarice Feldman




For as long as I can remember scientists have been trying to put together a Theory of Everything which would explain and connect all the knowledge we have of physical phenomena. So far they haven't been successful, but they keep trying.  I wondered if it would be possible to explain the many contradictions of Obama and the mystery of his origins and incomprehensible nature of his domestic and foreign policies to better understand him and predict why he seems to be steering the ship of state onto the shoals


I think I've finally got it, though a night of watching old movies  -- "The Man in the Iron Mask" and "The Prince and the Pauper" -- helped me along.


Barack is not one person.  The man we know as Barack Obama is really two people, identical (possibly conjoined at the head Janus-like but later separated) twins. Don't laugh. I'll explain.


The Mystery of His Birth


As Donald Trump is reminding everyone, we have no proof that Obama was born in the United States, where, when or to whom. People have offered up a variety of theories to explain why he has spent so much time and money trying to prevent us from seeing his birth certificate, something apparently only he can get released from the Hawaiian birth records sealed vaults. But I believe that the clue we need to unravel the mystery has been hiding in plain sight all along:

Why does he have this incredibly long scar that covers the  sides and back of his head?


We've never seen his medical records, to my knowledge, and he's given no explanation for this phenomenon that I can see, but see for yourself. Something most odd has caused a scar from one side of his head to another curving up over the crown:










Let's suppose that he was born a conjoined at the head twin and the surgery left its mark, that in fact one twin got the rhythm and cool -- let's call that one "Candidate Obama" -- and he was the one who so charmed people who should have known better like Peggy Noonan and David Brooks. The other was thicker witted and needed folks like Bill Ayers and his own smarter twin to pull him through. Let's call that one "President Obama."


His Intelligence


As is the case with most Democrat politicians, the press has repeatedly assured us that he's a genius of the first order, but like Jack Cashill, I have to wonder about that, particularly as he has not even mastered his native tongue nor learned basic geography. And yet we are told (we haven't seen proof) that he graduated from Columbia University, Harvard Law School and passed the Illinois bar and is listed as a best selling author of two books.


Assume as I do that the author thing is a lie, and that one book was written on the sly by Bill Ayers and the other by some far less gifted ghostwriter, we still have an academic mystery to consider.


But what if he were twins? One of them (Candidate Obama) could sit in an adjoining room writing up the answers from an open book while the other (President Obama) walked back and forth without arousing the proctors' suspicions.  Maybe they even took turns each semester, with one doping up and having fun while the other worked.  Perhaps that explains how he can claim he attended Columbia for two years when that school has records of him being there for only 9 months. One twin just forgot to sign in  the year when it was his turn.


Why Does He Rely Over Much on the Teleprompter?


Simple. Neither one of them can think and talk (or write) at the same time, so one types the words in on the teleprompter and the other reads them. Proof of this is that on those occasions when there's been a glitch in the teleprompting whichever Obama twin is speaking is struck immediately dumb.


Watch and see what I'm talking about:




or






 
Is He a Sociopathic Liar or A Hypocrite?


People who pay attention to what he says note that there is not a single promise he made as a candidate he hasn't broken.  Indeed, even his oldest and staunchest allies are complaining that he's turned his back on them.  If anyone can find Code Pink and Mother Sheehan it would be interesting to find out their views on Libya.



Maybe Candidate Obama is in the dungeon with his head in an iron mask and they are keeping him company there.  Surely the press who followed them about when Bush was President and they were treated like paragons on the issue of military actions has been looking for them to find out what they think.  No?


I for one have no notion what he had in mind when he announced we were doing whatever we are doing over there, but then I'm not alone.  It appears neither the Secretary of State nor the Secretary of Defense has any idea either, nor do our purported allies in this move, nor NATO. So why should it bother me that I'm lost?


It seems like just yesterday he was saying that  trying to force  out of power a murderous dictator was a "dumb war" and such a move should be  opposed.  But then again are we trying to force out Gaddafi?  Are we trying to help the rebels?  Who are the rebels and why should be help them?  What is the fighting force?  What are their orders and who is commanding them? I feel like the old man in "Moonstruck" wandering about  saying,  "I  am so confused."


And each day deepens my confusion.


The Libyans aren't confused; they're hightailing it out of that mess as fast as they can.   My friend Rick Ballard makes clear why:


The Italian press is reporting that only 40 recipients* of the UN R2P kinetic humanitarian aid were completely overcome by the experience. I'm sure that the President will be presenting the chart (prepared by l'École polytechnique) showing lives saved or created by his actions within just a few days and we all know that preparing delicious omelets must begin with cracking a few heads eggs.


*That's 40 for Tripoli only. No believable count for the rest of Libya is currently available due to minor disruptions caused by continuing delivery of kinetic humanitarian aid.


I suppose since the kinetic action was announced when one of the Obamas was on a gig in South America the dumb brother got us into this mess.


On the other hand maybe neither one of them has his head on exactly straight.


I mean look at his energy policy -- it's just as jumbled, as  another Just One Minute Poster, JMH notes:


Obama Energy Plan A:


As consumers are priced out of the gas market, force them to buy cars they can't pay for without government subsidies we can't afford which run on batteries that don't exist yet which our electrical grid can't accommodate.


Plan B:


Cut oil imports 1/3 by "investing" in Brazilian production, thus forming a "partnership" which allows us to buy oil from ourselves. And pay for it twice.


Plan C:


After successfully implementing Plan B, recycle Plan A.


Plan D:


Punish folks who won't relocate to densely populated urban areas with public transportation by imposing a gas mileage tax to pay for inter-city high speed rail -- with train stations they'll have to drive hundreds of miles to get to.


I mean on whom can we blame for this one? I think both of them . Sometimes two heads are definitely not better than one.

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Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 03, 2011, 05:27:53 AM
33, it's hilarious.

you know something isn't right.  the facts show the 'official story' is absolutely impossible.

then you ask yourself, 'why would someone lie about school by FIVE YEARS' and work so hard to maintain that lie.

you know the official story isn't right, but since you don't have obama giving a confession on the rachel maddow show, you're labeled a loon.  you can't prove a negative, and everyone demands 100% of the answers.


And all you know - for certain - is that the official story is full of shit.  Absolutely.  but you're a CT loon for thinking so.  Pretty doggone funny, isn't it?  LOL


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 03, 2011, 05:50:51 AM
It is hillarious.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 03, 2011, 01:05:34 PM
Obama may have a criminal past...
Rick Perry's Blog ^ | 4/2011 | Rick Perry




This is an article written by an ex IRS investigator....very interesting.

Trump is correct, Barry Soetoro, AKA Obama is hiding something in his past that is very bad... and it may not be his citizenship. (Trump would not say this if he did not know something and he has the money to get the dirt...)

As an IRS tax examiner,one of many former federal jobs, I have seen what it appears Barry Soetoro has done, mostly by illegal aliens attempting to acquire a new identity in the U.S and/or criminals looking to acquire a new ID.

Barry, AKA Obama, was lawfully adopted by a foreign national, Lolo Soetoro, and Barry's name was legally changed to "Barry Soetoro". (Barry’s own admission) Barry Soetoro was also made an official legal Indonesian citizen. (again Barry’s own admission) The adoption would be noted in Barry's vital statistics record in Hawaii on his original birth certificate...

OR Lolo Soetoro may have always been Barry's legal birth farther. The public does not know for sure at this point who Barry's father really was and Barry himself may not know.

Barry was raised as a Muslim in Indonesia and attended a Catholic funded school that permitted all faiths to attend.

Barry's mother dropped him as a dependent for some reason, maybe even when Barry was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. His mother's passport records dropped Barry as a dependent indicating Barry was no longer a legal dependent of his mothers. (The passport records of his mother have been produced showing Barry was no longer a dependent when Barry was permanently residing in Indonesia.) Barry went to Hawaii to live with his alleged grand parents after Lolo Soetoro and Barry's mother divorced.

A "certificate of live birth" can have names changed on it including a child's birth name, and birth parent’s names. Even a modified date of birth can be on a "certificate of live birth". This occurs frequently for adopted children where the birth parent does not want the child to know who they are. The public has no idea who Barry’s real birth father is or who Barry’s real birth mother is. (Barry could have been adopted by his mother) The original birth certificate is the only legal vital statistics record of a person’s birth parents, birth location, birth date, etc… I can get a “certificate of live birth” for a dead person; I cannot get a birth certificate of a dead person without “Deceased” on it. (I’ve tried)

There is no evidence Barry Soetoro ever lawfully changed his name to “Barrack Hussein Obama”. There is no proof Barry Soetoro was born with the name "Barrack Hussein Obama". I’m willing to bet the name “Barrack Hussein Obama” is not present on the real birth certificate as Barry’s birth name or as Barry’s birth father. I have pictures of me with my mother and Jimmy Buffet… that doesn’t make him my father even if I start using the name Jimmy Buffet.

The public knows Barry Soetoro finished high school in Hawaii as Barry Soetoro and attended Occidental as Barry Soetoro where he did drugs and flunked out of school. After dropping out of Occidental, Barry showed up in New York, homeless and on drugs. (Barry’s own admission) Barry then hooked up with a Pakistani to live with and traveled back to Indonesia on his new boyfriend’s dime to renew his Indonesian passport and traveled to Pakistan with him.

Ask any law enforcement officer in a large city or detective and they will tell you homeless young men on drugs in large cities usually end up as male prostitutes. Barry ended up as a world traveler with a degree… (Not likely)

Barry Soetoro returned to New York from Pakistan and began using the fictitious name “Obama” for some reason. (again Barry Soetoro’s own admission) One could only suspect that a person addicted to drugs returning from Pakistan to New York, the main route for Afghan heroin into the U.S., maybe Barry had a reason to start using a new name. There are literally over 1 million open warrants on file in New York… maybe Barry is one of them?....

After spending some time in New York allegedly working under the name “Obama”, It appears Barry used the fictitious name "Barrack Hussein Obama" for the first time to file his federal taxes in Connecticut at a Post Office Box for the purpose of evading paying taxes in New York and /or to establish a new identity. (This is a felony with no statute of limitation.)

When the IRS received Barry Soetoro’s federal tax filing, the IRS could not attach the name Barrack Hussein Obama to the SSI number provided or the address provided. So the IRS assigned the fictitious name "Barrack Hussein Obama" a tax ID number for a person from Connecticut (Where Barry unlawfully filed a federal tax form using a false name). Barry Soetoro began using the tax ID number as his SSI number when using the fictitious name Barrack Obama. This is why Barry Soetoro has a Connecticut SSI number. When I worked for the IRS, I saw this occur more than once and yes, it is a felony to knowingly file a fraudulent federal tax forms. Most of the politicians that cheat on their taxes claim it was an accident. That is how they get away with their tax cheat crimes. Using a fake name is no accident.

It appears Barry fled New York to Chicago using his new identity to get a job . He likely ordered a fake diploma to bolster his new identity as "Obama". Fake Diploma's were very big in the 80's and diploma mills were even being used by federal workers to get promotions. There is evidence his alleged attendance at Columbia was faked (Barry never attended Columbia) and Barry lied his way into Harvard (he had no transcripts to get in)... Including telling the Saudi royal family he was fighting in Afghanistan with the Muslim Jihad against the Russians, so they would help him get into a law school.

The Saudi's apparently loved Barry's story of Jihad in Pakistan/Afghanistan and paid for Barry to attend Harvard under the name "Obama". The Saudi family has admitted to paying for Obama to attend Harvard and gave Harvard a gift of $20 million dollars. Harvard in turn made their special attendy President of the law review a person that never wrote a single law review.... I guess that is what $20 million buys at Harvard.

It is unlikely Barry was a Jihadist and was most likely a drug mule if anything, maybe even a CIA street hire to haul Afghan heroin back to New York, so the Afghans could buy U.S. made stinger missiles with U.S. dollars to shoot down Russian helicopters?... I hired people over seas to do work below my pay grade all the time, even foreign nationals... I think this is the story Barry told the Saudi's, but he was most likely really just a drug mule/dealer and probably still wanted on an outstanding warrant in New York.

Barry’s selective service registration is not normal either…http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in...

After I looked at Barry’s selective service filing I noticed it was most likely fraudulent too based on the name he used. Barry did not start using the name "Obama" until he returned from Pakistan (long after he flunked out of school in California) His selective service record (maintained in Chicago coincidentally) shows he registered at a Hawaiian post office as “Obama” in Sept 1980... Problem, Barry was getting high in California at Occidental in Sept 1980 (Barry's own admission) and was not using the fictitious name "Obama" at that time. Barry began using the fictitious name "Obama" only after he returned from Pakistan. The selective service filing is fraudulent.

NEW NOTE - On the the Selective Service Registration, Barry did not have the Connecticut Tax ID number he used on the Registration until after he began using the name "Obama" in New York. More evidence his Selective Service filing is fraudulent.

Barry returned to Chicago and attend a semi-christian radical black church with his first female love Michelle. Barry admits keeping in touch with Phil Boener, who traveled to New York from Occidental to be with Barry and was most likely Barry's first love.

Barry still could not get a real job, because he was still a fraud, even with his Harvard degree in hand he could lie and take the Bar exam, but he could not work as a lawyer for a major law firm without a back ground investigation and he would never pass one. So, Michelle got Barry a job at her law firm. Barry never filed a case alone and never filed a motion. He wrote lost of memos according to the law firm where Barry worked. (I think they know Barry is a fraud and don't want to be sued by previous clients) Barry rescinded his law licenses, so as not to be disbarred for fraud. The Bar knows Barry lied on his application. Michelle also had to turn over her law license for her involvement in corruption with the Chicago mayors office.

With time on his hands Barry, a well spoken black man, was able to get elected to a state office, oddly because he looked for fraud in his opponents voter registrations and got his opponent disqualified from running. Barry a well versed liar was a natural in state politics. He used his political influence to get himself a position as a lecturer at Chicago's law school. Barry embellished this position as a "professor of law" which everyone knows is completely false. Barry was not a professor or even a specialist at anything but lying.

On a whim Barry ran for United States Senate for the State of Illinois. Politicians do this all the time to make a name for themselves even if they can't win. At the time the Republican Ryan was a shoe in for the Senate seat, so no real Democrat contenders entered the race, but Barry did. On a fluke after the primary Ryan's wife Jeri Ryan (Seven of nine from Star Trek) went public that her husband was making her have sex with other people while he watched. Ryan dropped out and Alan Keys moved from Maryland to run against Barry Soetoro.

The election got all kinds of press because there was no blacks in the U.S. Senate and one of these black men was going to be a Senator. Alan Keys did his best to warn everyone Barry was not who he claimed to be, but the public saw him as a carpet bagger. Barry kept the lie going and presented himself as a clean black man that talked like a white man... Illinois elected Barry to U.S. Senate. The Democrats had already began scrubbing Barry's back ground when Ryan dropped out.

Phil, Barry's boy friend from Occidental, was found working in California as a communications specialist (receptionist) for a dental hygienist school and given a diploma from Columbia and cover story. The rest of Barry's drug friends were all given jobs or money by the Democrat machine to keep quiet.

Because Barry was such a news maker as the only Black in the Senate, and he could speak like a white man he was made key speaker for the Democrat convention. Barry then decided to run for President to keep the lie going. No one thought to question Barry's back ground in the Democrt party... They helped cover up the ugly back ground. The only person jumping up and down warning Barry was not who he claimed to be was Alan Keys and he was discarded as just an angry loser.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2699113/posts



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 03, 2011, 01:10:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIsCHUF1GnM


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 03, 2011, 03:01:07 PM
Saturday, April 2, 2011
Governor Abercrombie’s Bogus Quest to Prove Obama Was Born in Hawaii
By Mario Apuzzo
April 2, 2011

http://puzo1.blogspot.com



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Hollywood celebrity journalist/radio host, Mike Evans, has known now Governor of Hawaii, Neil Abercrombie, for decades. He first met the Governor when the Governor was driving a cab in Honolulu, Hawaii. They became good friends. They spent a lot of time together in Washington during the time of Obama’s inauguration. Abercrombie told Evans then that he was going to run for Governor of Hawaii. He also told Evans that he remembered Obama as a child and that he used to call him Barry. He told him that once he became Governor, he was going to put an end to the story that Obama was not born in the United States by getting a copy of his birth certificate.

Abercrombie did become Governor and using his powers as Governor, he did look for the document. On January 19, 2011, Abercrombie told Evans during a telephone conversation that he searched everywhere for the birth certificate. He told him that he went to the only two hospitals that existed in Honolulu at the time at which a baby could be born, Kapi’olani Women’s and Children’s Hospital and Queen’s Hospital. Abercrombie told him that there is no Obama birth certificate in Hawaii and that there is absolutely no proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. Abercrombie also told Evans that he remembered Obama playing in a tee-ball league when he was about 5 or 6 but not before that. A confirmation of this information can be heard on a recording of an interview on the radio 92 KQRS Morning Show done on January 20, 2011. During this radio show, Mike Evans, recounts the details of his conversation he had with Governor Abercrombie just the day before.

A story on this new revelation and the radio interview can be heard at http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/01/hawaii-hollywood-reporter-mike-evans.html. A full bio on Mike Evans can be seen at http://www.evansradio.com/mikestory.html.

On January 20, 2011, former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams signed an affidavit in which he swears that his supervisors in Hawaii told him that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Obama. He swears that he was also told that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any medical record showing that Obama was born in either facility. Read more: Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401#ixzz1C21WDdlc

Governor Abercrombie then announced that he could do not more to prove Obama was born in Hawaii because it is against state law to release private documents such as his birth certificate. See the story here
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/114401004.html.

The question now is if Abercrombie has not been able to find any Obama Hawaii birth certificate, why did he tell the public that he was abandoning his search for it because privacy laws prohibit him from disclosing the document? Let’s grant to Abercrombie that his efforts were thwarted by privacy laws. But what I do not understand is why he did not simply obtain Obama’s consent for the release of the birth certificate. After all, Abercrombie said that he was a friend of Obama's parents and knew him as a child.

What I also do not understand is why Abercrombie, who was so concerned about honoring Obama’s parents and the 2012 presidential election would give up on his quest so easily just because he cannot get the birth certificate released. Is the birth certificate the only piece of evidence that could prove or disprove an Obama Hawaiian birth? What happened to talking to family and friends from 1961 about an Obama birth in Hawaii? Is there no doctor, nurse, family member, friend, or official who remembered the Obama birth in Hawaii and could give Abercrombie confirming evidence of a Hawaiian birth? Abercrombie said that he was a friend of Obama's parents and knew him as a child. Why could Abercrombie not find any other evidence of an Obama birth in Hawaii? With the resources of the Governor’s Office and the publicity generated by this story, how could the Governor not find one person on the whole island of Hawaii or even from the mainland who could confirm with any real evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii?

There is also another highly suspect part to Abercrombie’s story. And that has to do with medical records. Hawaii Health Department has publicly released incomplete and inconclusive information which Obama supporters claim shows that Obama was born in Honolulu. During the 2008 election, Hawaii's Director of Health, Chiyome Fukino, said:

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate. State law (Hawaii Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii."

Months later, in July 2009, she added:

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

As we can see, Dr. Fukino, a medical doctor, did not mention anything about the most compelling and probative evidence of a birth event, to wit, medical evidence. As I have reported in my May 6, 2010 article entitled, A Catalog of Evidence - Concerned Americans Have Good Reason to Doubt that Putative President Obama Was Born in Hawaii , Section 338-5 of the Hawaiian statute provides: "§338-5 Compulsory registration of births. Within the time prescribed by the department of health, a certificate of every birth shall be substantially completed and filed with the local agent of the department in the district in which the birth occurred, by the administrator or designated representative of the birthing facility, or physician, or midwife, or other legally authorized person in attendance at the birth; or if not so attended, by one of the parents. The birth facility shall make available to the department appropriate medical records for the purpose of monitoring compliance with the provisions of this chapter. [L 1949, c 327, §9; RL 1955, §57-8; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-5; am L 1988, c 149, §1]."

Obama alleges he was born in Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital, now called Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children. At no time during the ongoing public debate about whether Obama was born in Hawaii has any official from Hawaii at least informed the pubic that Obama's alleged vital records show that his birth certificate from 1961 was "completed and filed" with the health department in Honolulu by some official of that hospital or a physician or midwife associated with that institution. If Obama was born in a hospital as he claims, we cannot reasonably believe that his birth certificate would have been completed and filed by one of his parents. Additionally, under this statute, Hawaii has the power and authority to obtain medical records from Kapi'olani Medical Center to confirm Obama's alleged Hawaiian birth. At no time did Hawaii inform the American public that it in fact confirmed with that hospital that Obama was in fact born there which it can do under the cited statute. Hawaii has withheld this underlying evidence from the public. This withholding of evidence is a grave matter given that there exists such reasonable doubt as to whether Obama, the putative President and Commander in Chief of our military might, was in fact born in Hawaii.

Under Section 338-5, any birth certificate has to be completed and filed by some institution (hospital) or person (doctor, midwife, or parent). This statute also shows that Hawaii has the authority to confirm any reported birth by examining medical records. While Hawaii pretends to have come clean with the American public, it did not even provide such basic information or conduct such due diligence regarding extant medical evidence which would give the public that needed assurance that Obama's birth record is genuine.

With the State of Hawaii having such authority under Section 338-5 to confirm through medical records that a birth in fact occurred in a Hawaiian hospital, why did Abercrombie not confirm for the American people that the Obama birth file in Hawaii in fact shows that his birth event is corroborated with medical evidence from Kapi’olani Medical Center as is required by Section 338-5?  Are we to reasonably believe that there exists no medical evidence confirming Obama's birth in Hawaii that Governor Abercrombie can share with the American people? 

We will know what the underlying evidence is about Obama's alleged birth in Hawaii only if we can examine Obama's contemporaneous birth certificate from 1961, the long-form, hospital generated birth certificate, which should be readily available since Obama claims he was born in Kapi'olani Medical Center in 1961. That root document will tell us the name of the hospital in which he was born and the name of the doctor or midwife who delivered him. Those pieces of information are highly corroborative of the place and time of birth, for they provide a whole other dimension of contemporaneous facts that would support Hawaii's or anybody else's bare statement as to the place and time of Obama's registered birth.

Governor Abercrombie, you really need to do better for the majority of American people who want and are entitled to see credible and convincing proof of where Obama was born. 

Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
April 2, 2011
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Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 03, 2011, 03:02:54 PM
On January 20, 2011, former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams signed an affidavit in which he swears that his supervisors in Hawaii told him that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Obama. He swears that he was also told that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any medical record showing that Obama was born in either facility. Read more: Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401#ixzz1C21WDdlc


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 03, 2011, 04:59:18 PM
Nothing will happen until election time.  If anything happens.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Freeborn126 on April 03, 2011, 05:41:28 PM
So... does that mean we get Joe Biden if Obama is proved to be a Kenyan manchurain candidate?  I hope the whole administration is declared void and a special presidential election is held.  Biden would be another disaster.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 03, 2011, 06:48:49 PM
OK Candidate releases son’s 1981 Hawaiian Certification of Birth

DOCUMENT CONFIRMS INVESTIGATORS’ SUSPICIONS, EXPOSES DOH AS LYING
by John Charlton

Post and Mail

February 9, 2010




It certainly appears from the provided COLB below, that the certificate of live birth provided by Obama on his website is a total fraud as has been suggested in the past. It is indeed a sad state of affairs when the court system of the United States of America cannot be trusted.  To continually deny requests for Obama to provide requested documents, leads one to believe that there is something far worse than the Obama administration at stake!  Random thoughts while questioning the objectivity of our legal system, J.C.



The Hawaii 1981 Certificate of Live Birth for Alan Paliko Booth (full size image).
(Feb. 10, 2010) — Miki Booth, a native Hawaiian and candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives for the State of Oklahoma, shocked and awed Obama supporters during the recent Tea Party Nation convention in Memphis, TN, when she publicly disclosed the Certificate of Live Birth for her son, Alan Paliko Booth, born on Nov. 24, 1981, at 7:55 AM, at Kapiolani Children’s Medical Center, the same hospital that Obama has claimed to be his own place of birth,nearly 20 years before.

The actual document contains a wealth of information such as the signature of the attending physician or midwife, a field for evidence presented for an Amended Birth Filing, race of parents and child, and a signature and date stamp, certifying the copy as an authentic representation of the information on file with the Hawaii Department of Health.

Importantly, the actual document, which you can view through this link, contains the fields, “Date received by Local Registrar” and “Date accepted by the State” and the name of the Local Registrar.  In recent months, Miss Janice Okubo has insisted that the terms mean the same thing and that she has no knowledge of what terms were used previously to the alleged Obama COLB.

The now widely recognized, crude forgery which Obama claims to be his own Certification of Live Birth bearing the date of 2007 but without the seal and confirmatory signature of the State Registrar, does not contain information regarding the race of the child or the date accepted.

This has led private researchers to speculate that Obama’s original vital records, which Dr. Fukino claims to have seen and which she herself admits are several, might contain a delayed birth filing, an amended birth filing, adoption record, or other changes regarding the name of the child and parents and location or nation in which the child was purported to be born.

The details of this actual 1981 “long form” “birth certificate” indicate more precisely the possible motives Obama might have for refusing to disclose his own real certificate, that is, if he was in fact born in Hawaii in the first place.  Because the actual form might indicate:

1) Race of Child: Negro or White — in the former case, Obama’s racism might take offense; in the latter case his race politics might be undone;

2) Race of Parent: Father might be indicated as Negro rather than African, which would gut the prima facie evidentiary value of his own alleged BC.

3) Parents might not be who they are claimed to be — there has been a lot of speculation on that;

4) Place of birth might have originally been Mombassa, Kenya, as Obama’s Co-grandmother and he himself have in the past claimed; if so, Obama is perhaps not even a U.S. Citizen.

5) No father might have been indicated originally, because Obama’s mother might not have been sure who the father was at the precise moment of the original filing — which would reflect badly on his mother’s morals and cast doubt upon any evidentiary value of whomever was subsequently claimed to be the real father; because doubt in such cases is prima facie evidence that there was more than one man who could have been the father.

6) Name of child might not be Barack Hussein Obama II, which, in the absence of name changes, would make Obama’s usage of his current name unlawful. Source



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 03, 2011, 07:05:58 PM
Immaculate Deception: Fraud in reporting Obama's birth
July 10, 2010 | None

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2550294/posts




Let’s forget for a moment about the allegations that Barack Hussein Obama Jr. is not a naturalized U.S. citizen and examine the incontrovertible facts surrounding the reporting of his mysterious birth in 1961.


•Fact 1: Barack Obama Sr. (the President’s father) was married to another woman (Kezia Aoko) in Africa at the time of Barack Hussein Obama Jr’s birth to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama (the President’s mother).

•Fact 2: In the United States, being married to two women at the same time is illegal. It is the crime of bigamy.

•Fact 3: In 1961 someone placed a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper declaring the birth of a son to “Mr. and Mrs.” Barack Obama (Sr).

•Fact 4: Stanley Ann Dunham (Barack Jr’s mother) claims to have been married to Barack Obama Sr. at that time. Barack Obama Jr. also claims that his parents were married and later divorced.

The facts raise several interesting questions:


•1. Did Barack Obama Sr. inform Stanley Ann Dunham of his concurrent marriage to the woman in Africa? (If not, he committed fraud as well as bigamy.)

•2. Did Stanley Ann Dunham marry Barack Obama Sr. knowing he was already married to another woman? (If so, they were both fraudulent.)

•3. Did Stanley Ann’s parents know about the first wife and approve of the marriage of their daughter to an already married man? (If so, they were involved in fraud too.)

•4. Were Barack Obama Sr and Stanley Ann Dunham really married? If not, the placement of the birth announcement of “their son” in the Honolulu Advertiser was fraudulent—unless, of course, the “Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama (Sr)” was referring to Mr. Obama and his first wife, in which case, Barack Obama Jr. is not really Stanley Ann Dunham’s child.

•5. Does Barack Hussein Obama Jr know about the circumstances surrounding the fraudulent reporting of his birth? If so, that may explain his reluctance to come forward with details about it and his propensity to hide the truth whenever anyone questions his background.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 03, 2011, 07:12:43 PM
Original Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii is different from Obama’s COLB   
DOCUMENT CONTAINS REGISTRAR’S NAME, ISSUE DATE AND RAISED SEAL
by Sharon Rondeau



http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/04/25/original-certificate-of-live-birth-from-hawaii-is-different-from-obamas-colb




John F. Sweeney produced this edge-detection image of the Certificate of Live Birth obtained by The Post & Email from a person who had requested it from the Hawaii Department of Health

(Apr. 25, 2010) — The Post & Email is in possession of an original paper “Certificate of Live Birth” recently issued from the Hawaii Department of Health to an American citizen born at Kapiolani Medical Center in Hawaii in 1981 as verified by his mother.

At first glance, the document appears similar to the image posted on Obama’s campaign website.  However, there are some differences:

■The document is titled “Certificate of Live Birth” as opposed to Obama’s “Certification of Live Birth.”
■There is more information about the parents on the right side of the document across from the spaces for “Mother’s Race” and “Father’s Race.”  Both the mother’s and father’s places of birth are printed there.  Obama’s purported “document” does not have that information.
■There is a visible certificate number at the top, while Obama’s is blacked out.
■On the back, there is a stamped date, presumably the date the document was issued from the Department of Health.
■Below the date there is a stamp which reads:  “I CERTIFY THIS IS A TRUE COPY OR ABSTRACT OF THE RECORD ON FILE IN THE HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.”  The signature of Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D., is also there, followed by the words “STATE REGISTRAR.”
■The document contains a raised seal which is visible from both sides, unlike Obama’s.
■There are no marks where it looks as if something has bled through from the back to the front as in Obama’s “document.”
The Post & Email had published an in-depth analysis by photographic expert John F. Sweeney of the document which Factcheck.org claimed to have photographed at its Chicago office in March 2008 but which Sweeney maintains was taken at the Obama campaign headquarters instead.

Factcheck.org claims that the document on their website has a raised seal.  However, the same edge-detection technique used with the image from Factcheck’s website shown below yields no such raised seal.  Mr. Sweeney stated in his earlier analysis:


Edge-detection of the document released by Factcheck.org shows no raised seal (John F. Sweeney)
“What else is in, or more importantly, not in this photo? There is absolutely no evidence of a raised seal in the lower right portion of the document where the supposed scans and other supposed photos show the raised, 3-D seal from the Department of Health machine. The seal should be located in the area that has the shadow of the arm. But it is not there. It is not visible to the naked eye; there is not a sign of it under any zooming of the original photo; no digital manipulation tools find any evidence of a raised seal in this picture. With 100% certainty, the raised seal is not there. So this is merely a picture of a printout. It is definitely not an official COLB from Hawaii…The photo is not that of an official Hawaiian issue COLB due to the lack of a raised seal.”

According to a WorldNetDaily report dated July 29, 2009, in 1961, there were four different ways to obtain birth documentation from the Hawaii Department of Health, including a mail-in registration requiring no in-person substantiation of the birth by an adult.  One website reports that there were six ways to do so, with one category, the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, being eliminated in 1972.

The Hawaii Department of Health provides the following information on how to apply for a “late registration” of birth:

As provided by law (HRS §§338-15, 338-29.5), the following persons may apply for late registration:

■Any person born in Hawaii who is one year old or older and whose birth has not been previously registered in Hawaii, or that person’s parent, guardian, next of kin, or older person acting for that person and having knowledge of the facts of birth may request the registration of a late certificate of birth, except that an application will not be accepted for a deceased person.

■Registration of a late certificate of death, marriage, or divorce may be requested by the person in charge of the disposition of the body, marriage officiant or performer, or court clerk, respectively.

Factcheck.org claims that members of its staff examined Obama’s “birth certificate” at Obama headquarters and that “we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it’s stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates).”  However, Factcheck displays a raised seal which cannot be conclusively determined to belong to Obama’s COLB, and the photo above of the Factcheck document using edge-detection shows no raised seal.

Likewise, Factcheck displays the stamp of Alvin T. Onaka’s signature in a close-up shot, but the background appears to be a darker shade of green than the full document.  Similarly, the “blowup” of the “City” field on the Factcheck document appears to be a different shade of green than the full-size document shown above it.  There is nothing to prove that an official registrar’s stamp, raised seal, or date stamp are present on the Factcheck document.




“Blowup” of a closeup from Obama’s purported “birth certificate” from Factcheck.org
In Factcheck’s “Analysis” of the purported Obama birth certificate, several links to news articles  which supposedly quoted Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii Department of Health as saying that she had personally seen Obama’s birth certificate on file no longer work, although the cited news reports are readily available elsewhere, and Dr. Fukino’s official public statements can be found here and here.

The document which The Post &  Email has obtained shows the word “Certificate” at the top.  The person to whom it belongs was born in Hawaii.  Is the “Certification” document with Obama’s name on it an indication that he received a “delayed registration”? Is the word “Certification” used only in cases where a birth in Hawaii cannot be conclusively proven?

During a meeting of the Kenyan Parliament on March 25, 2010, Minister of Lands James Orengo stated that Obama was born in Kenya and not in the United States (p. 31).  A previous Parliament meeting on November 5, 2008 contains multiple references to what might be understood as his birth in Kenya.  The Kenyan ambassador to the U.S., Mr. Peter Ogego, stated that Obama’s birthplace is Kenya “is well-known,” and Obama’s wife has called Kenya his “home country.”

To date, no witnesses to Obama’s birth in Hawaii have come forward.  Questions about his original birth certificate have been avoided by both the Bush administration and Obama regime.

Could Obama himself have requested a document from the Hawaii Department of Health in 2007 in preparation for his run for President?  Did he file for a “delayed registration”?  If so, what documentation did he present to Dr. Fukino or someone else at the Health Department?  Could he have presented the birth announcements from the two Hawaii newspapers as proof of his birth there to obtain the “Certification of Live Birth”?

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Editor’s Note: Many thanks to John F. Sweeney for his assistance in preparing this report.













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Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 03, 2011, 07:21:49 PM
Obama Birth Announcement Forged

By Jon Carlson

 


 

 

Investigator Jorge Baro reports (source):




 


The Linotype typesetting machince circa 1961 was a great advancement over the previous individual setting of type. Lines were set in lead alloy slugs that were pushed together in a frame to form columns.


 

 


This close-up of the Advertiser ad shows grossly different type font. Columns vary in width with laughable alignment:


 

 


This close-up from the Star-Bulletin ad shows similar faults:




 

This closeup shows the use of Senior (Sr.) to describe two fathers. Missing above and elsewhere is the Senior (Sr.) for Barack H. Obama in both ads.




 

This closeup emphasizes the gross misalignment in the Advertiser ad. The use of middle initial for all names and the insertion of ads within the Births lists is unusual.




 

This comparison of alleged Obama ads show SIMILAR TYPE FONT indicating that the same Linotype typesetting machine was used to forge both ads. Can you say C-I-A?



http://www.hoaxofthecentury.com/ForgedObama1.htm



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Freeborn126 on April 03, 2011, 07:39:07 PM
I wonder how many brainwashed Obama supporters actually know that his real name is Barry Soetoro.  I bet less than 10%


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 03, 2011, 09:15:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZpwcRf3FQ

I listened to this clip.  The guy is making a lot of assumptions.  How does he know the grandparents or the mom placed a fake add in the paper after Obama was born?  

This is a loser.  Isn't it the State of Hawaii that determines whether or not someone was born there?  If the state officials have already confirmed they reviewed the "records," whatever those are, then even if a birth certificate doesn't exist, birthers can still prove nothing.  I'm not sure what the endgame is.  They can't unseal the records, and even if they could, they still lose.    


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 03, 2011, 09:20:04 PM
And when they lose Obama has an edge in 2012?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 03, 2011, 09:29:10 PM
And when they lose Obama has an edge in 2012?

Only if the Republican nominee tries to make this an issue. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 04, 2011, 04:06:12 AM
Funny:   Bama has the time to fill out paperwork to run for re-election but not give ambercromibe th permission to release the records.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 04, 2011, 05:02:06 AM
if his dad isn't the same guy.... you'll haev Rush calling him "that bastard" for the next 2 years.  Right?



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: loco on April 04, 2011, 05:06:50 AM
Racist thread reported!


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 04, 2011, 01:47:53 PM
Second thoughts about that birth certificate
Comments (0) Share Print By: Matt Patterson 04/03/11 8:05 PM
Special to the Examiner


.Like most people, I had discarded the issue about President Obama's birth certificate long ago as without merit. Recently, though, possible Republican presidential contender Donald Trump has renewed public interest in the matter, and so I decided to take a second look.
While Trump is mistaken in some particulars, to my surprise, the matter turns out to be more complicated than I originally thought.

Obama defenders say that the he did release his birth certificate, making the entire argument moot. That is true ... sort of. In June 2008, the Obama campaign released of a "certification of live birth," which was examined and photographed by factcheck.org.

The document lists the birth of Barack Hussein Obama II on Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii. However, critical information often contained in an original birth certificate, including physician and hospital of delivery, is missing. Factcheck.org explains why:

"The document is a 'certification of birth,' also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. ... We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response."

This truncated document nevertheless seems acceptable to at least some government agencies as proof of birth and citizenship. Further, it seems inconceivable that this "short form" document could be generated if a corresponding original "long form" did not exist. Case closed, right?

Not so fast. Factcheck.org. bills itself as "a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania," with funding largely derived from "an endowment created in 1993 by the Annenberg Foundation ... and a 1995 grant by the Annenberg Foundation."

Obama was famously a founding board member of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, also a project of the Annenberg Foundation. The connection is strong enough, in my mind, to raise reasonable questions about the objectivity of factcheck.org in matters regarding Obama.

Then there is the stubborn issue of Hawaii's governor -- and Obama family friend -- Neil Abercrombie, who had vowed upon taking office to once and for all prove that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii, thereby neutralizing the issue in advance of the 2012 campaign.

Abercrombie claims to have found ... something. "It [the proof] was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down," he told the Honolulu Star-Advertiser.

Written down? What on earth does that mean? Did some anonymous government employee scribble on a napkin: "On this day, Barack Obama was born?" Either an original, hospital-generated, long-form birth certificate exists or it doesn't, and either the governor has founhttp://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/2011/04/second-thoughts-about-birth-certificated it or he hasn't.

It seems from his vague answer that what he has been told was found is not that original birth document. The governor certainly has not released any additional information or documentation, despite his repeated promises to do so. In fact, he seems to have conveniently forgotten the subject altogether.

What does all of this mean? I'm not sure. Probably nothing. Yet it is amazing that unanswered questions continue to swirl around Obama's birthplace. Even more mysterious is why the president doesn't clear up the matter unequivocally, as surely only he can. I really wish he would, if only to remove an unnecessary distraction from the public debate.

It is no wonder that some opponents of the president are fixated on this issue: If (and it is a very big if) it could be proved that Obama was born outside the United States, then the legitimacy of any legislation he has signed into law would be instantly questionable.

So long Obamacare?

Matt Patterson is a columnist and commentator and a contributor to "Proud to Be Right: Voices of the Next Conservative Generation" (HarperCollins, 2010).





http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/2011/04/second-thoughts-about-birth-certificate



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Skip8282 on April 04, 2011, 02:55:30 PM
Only if the Republican nominee tries to make this an issue. 


Exactly.  I wish this issue would die, die, die.

33, hold yourself to the same standard you hold the 9/11 loons believers to.  I know how bad you hate Barry, but hang tough...2012 is just around the bend.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 04, 2011, 03:07:06 PM
I Think it could cost them the election. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 04, 2011, 03:11:26 PM
Even the gov can't get to the bottom of this.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 09:38:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGnWUjR0icg


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 09:50:27 AM
This should be called "all things stupid and believed by morons"

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 09:51:51 AM
Where is the long form BC signed by a doctor naming the hospital of birth? 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 05, 2011, 09:52:25 AM
where's the DNA test proving Obama is even human?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 09:54:45 AM
Where is the long form BC signed by a doctor naming the hospital of birth? 

Where is the LEGAL requirement that he proves he has it?

The State of Hawaii has PROVEN he was born there by producing a COLB.  Are you saying Hawaii state officials are lying?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 09:55:34 AM
Where is the LEGAL requirement that he proves he has it?

The State of Hawaii has PROVEN he was born there by producing a COLB.  Are you saying Hawaii state officials are lying?

Do you even read?   The colb is a fraud and I proved that already.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 09:58:54 AM
Do you even read?   The colb is a fraud and I proved that already.   

The State of Hawaii health officials are on record saying it is a legitimate document.  Are you saying they are lying?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 10:01:14 AM
I can provide quotes if need be.  Can you PROVE they are lying?  Can you PROVE the state of Hawaii is lying?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 10:05:53 AM
I can provide quotes if need be.  Can you PROVE they are lying?  Can you PROVE the state of Hawaii is lying?

Go ahead -  at the end of the conversation even you will be a birther - i promise.   The best you wll bwe able to come up with is that they say the cold comports with what they have "written down" and that is not even a long form bc or anything else.   Gov. ambercromie spficially set out to discredit the birthers and gave up saying he could not find a long form BC for obama.   


Additionally, the COLB offers completely bullshit informaton that was not around i 1961 proving it is not real.   In 1961 there was no such thing as "african" as being listed as the race of the father or mother.   

 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 05, 2011, 10:08:57 AM
Go ahead -  at the end of the conversation even you will be a birther - i promise.   The best you wll bwe able to come up with is that they say the cold comports with what they have "written down" and that is not even a long form bc or anything else.   Gov. ambercromie spficially set out to discredit the birthers and gave up saying he could not find a long form BC for obama.   


Additionally, the COLB offers completely bullshit informaton that was not around i 1961 proving it is not real.   In 1961 there was no such thing as "african" as being listed as the race of the father or mother.   

 
So basically you are saying he wasnt born in the US and you can prove it with out a shadow of a doubt?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 10:13:25 AM
Go ahead -  at the end of the conversation even you will be a birther - i promise.   The best you wll bwe able to come up with is that they say the cold comports with what they have "written down" and that is not even a long form bc or anything else.   Gov. ambercromie spficially set out to discredit the birthers and gave up saying he could not find a long form BC for obama.   


Additionally, the COLB offers completely bullshit informaton that was not around i 1961 proving it is not real.   In 1961 there was no such thing as "african" as being listed as the race of the father or mother.   

 

So you are saying that Hawaii, the state, is lying when it says Obama was born in Hawaii?  Because by issuing a COLB that is EXACTLY what they are saying.  They can not change or put anything on there that is not already in the Hawaii records. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 10:14:50 AM
If they did that would be fraud and easily found out but a search by ANY hawaiian state health official.  To date how many have come forward and said the COLB is a fraud?  How many Hawaiian officials have declared the records on file in Hawaii used to produce a certified COLB are false? 



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 10:15:44 AM
So basically you are saying he wasnt born in the US and you can prove it with out a shadow of a doubt?

I believe he was most likley born in Kenya but listed in Hawaii as home born by the grandfather for residency purposes and other reasons.  I also believe obama Sr. is not his real father.    


There are no hospital records, no doctor records, no long form BC,  the number on the colb is 3 days later than other in the same number sequence, his SS number is that for someone in Connecticut, the colb contains bogus info and is a forgery, and the best the Gov of Hawaii could do is throw is hands up since he could not discredit the birthers.  


Laugh all you want at this issue, its NEVER going away as obamais hiding something serious he cant afford be made public.    


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 05, 2011, 10:16:10 AM
So you are saying that Hawaii, the state, is lying when it says Obama was born in Hawaii?  Because by issuing a COLB that is EXACTLY what they are saying.  They can not change or put anything on there that is not already in the Hawaii records. 

A) Rolley eyes  ::)
B) Sarcastic Remark that lends nothing to the conversation
C) Dumbass video, Article by RW hack, shopped pic
D) Want to fight.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 05, 2011, 10:17:30 AM
holy shit. a coherent response.. the world is going to end


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 05, 2011, 10:20:02 AM
33,

how many people are involved in this cover-up?

his political opponents knew about it in 2008 and never 'went there'.
The CIA and FBI know, and never revealed it.
The media is playing along too - all the TV and print media.
And entire state govt in hawaii is maintaining the lie too.

So how many people do you think are 'in on it'?



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 10:20:45 AM
Haha good one mal!

Apparently the State of Hawaii is committing mass fraud by producing official documents proving Obama was born there.  The courts happen to agree with Hawaii and no birther lawsuits have yet to be even taken seriously.  

"I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures"

Dr Chiyome Fukino

He is the head honcho of health in the State of Hawaii.  Is he lying?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 10:21:07 AM
If they did that would be fraud and easily found out but a search by ANY hawaiian state health official.  To date how many have come forward and said the COLB is a fraud?  How many Hawaiian officials have declared the records on file in Hawaii used to produce a certified COLB are false? 



BORN IN THE USA?

Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate
Signs affidavit declaring long-form, hospital-generated document absent

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: January 24, 2011
8:48 pm Eastern


By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2011 WorldNetDaily


Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.


Notary seal on Timothy Adams' affidavit


Adams was employed at the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division from May 2008 through September 2008.

His position was senior elections clerk, overseeing a group of 50 to 60 employees responsible for verifying the identity of voters at the Absentee Ballot Office. It was in this capacity that Adams became aware of the search for Obama's birth-certificate records.

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"During the course of my employment," Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1 and part 2), "I became aware that many requests were being made to the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division, the Hawaii Office of Elections, and the Hawaii Department of Health from around the country to obtain a copy of then-Senator Barack Obama's long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate."

As he inquired about the birth certificate, he says, his supervisors told him that the records were not on file at the Hawaii Department of Health.

"Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health," Adams' affidavit reads, "and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government."


Tim Adams, former senior elections clerk for Honolulu

In a recorded telephone interview, Adams told WND that it was common knowledge among election officials where he worked that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate could be found at the Hawaii Department of Health.

"My supervisor came and told me, 'Of course, there's no birth certificate. What? You stupid,'" Adams said. "She usually spoke well, but in saying this she reverted to a Hawaiian dialect. I really didn't know how to respond to that. She said it and just walked off. She was quite a powerful lady."

Moreover, Adams was told that neither Queens Memorial Hospital nor Kapi'olani Medical Center had any records of Obama's birth at their medical facilities: "Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division further told me on multiple occasions that Hawaii State government officials had made inquires about Sen. Obama's birth records to officials at Queens Medical Center and Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu and that neither hospital had any record of Senator Obama having been born there, even though Governor Abercrombie is now asserting and various Hawaii government officials continue to assert Barack Obama Jr. was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center on Aug. 4, 1961."

"We called the two hospitals in Honolulu: Queens and Kapi'olani," Adams stressed. "Neither of them have any records that Barack Obama was born there."

(Story continues below)

     


In 2009, WND documented that Obama and his supporters had first claimed he was born at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, before the story changed to Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu.

After WND's report on the two conflicting hospitals, online news sites including the United Press International and Snopes.com scrubbed their websites to eliminate any reference to Queens Medical Center, substituting instead that Obama was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center without explaining the discrepancy or the correction.


Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie
 

In 2010, then-candidate for governor Neil Abercrombie was involved in an Obama birth controversy when he read a letter at a Kapi'olani Medical Center centennial dinner in Honolulu that supposedly was authored by President Obama, claiming Kapi'olani as his birth hospital.

As WND reported, the letter read by Abercrombie and initially displayed on the Kapi'olani website turned out to be a computer-created likeness of a letter using HTML code, the building blocks of Internet websites, not an actual paper letter.

The White House has still not confirmed it wrote or sent the letter.

Moreover, Adams claims, the Hawaii government was engaged in a cover-up designed to tell the American public through the Obama-supporting mainstream media that Obama was born in Hawaii, even though no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama could be found on record in the Hawaii Department of Health.

In the affidavit Adams swears, "During the course of my employment, I came to understand that for political reasons, various officials in the government of Hawaii, including then-Governor Linda Lingle and various officials of the Hawaii Department of Health, including Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the director of the Hawaii Department of Health, were making representations that Senator Obama was born in Hawaii, even though no government official in Hawaii could find a long-form birth certificate for Senator Obama that had been issued by a Hawaii hospital at the time of his birth."

Adams further swears his supervisors told him to quit asking about Obama's birth records.

"During the course of my employment," Adams states in the affidavit, "I was told by senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division to stop inquiring about Senator Obama's Hawaii birth records, even though it was common knowledge among my fellow employees that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama."

"I can go get my long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate," Adams told WND. "And so I don't understand, this whole controversy should have been settled three or four years ago in about five minutes."

Nor does Adams feel the short-form Certification of Live Birth is authoritative documentation proving that Obama was born in Hawaii.

"My basic assumption is that he wasn't born there," Adams said. "Certifications of Live Birth were given to people who were born at home, or to people who were born overseas and whose parents brought them back to the islands. If his parents were U.S. citizens, or if one parent was a U.S. citizen, as was the case with Obama, the family would apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate when the parents came back from overseas. That's normally how you would have gotten on [a Certification of Live Birth] in the 1960s."

WND has reported that in 1961, Obama's grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, could have made an in-person request at the Hawaii Department of Health for a registration of a Hawaii birth, even if the infant Barack Obama Jr. had been foreign-born.

In the past few days, Abercrombie has represented that there is a registration of Obama's birth in the state archives.

But the state registration of birth in 1961 theoretically could prove only that the grandparents had registered Obama's birth, even if Obama was not born in Hawaii.

Similarly, the newspaper announcements of baby Obama's birth do not prove he was born in Hawaii, since the newspaper announcements could have been triggered by the grandparents appearing in-person to register baby Obama as a Hawaiian birth, even if the baby was born elsewhere.

WND has documented that the address reported in the birth announcements published in the Hawaii newspapers at the time, 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, was the address where the grandparents lived.

WND has also reported that Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment in Honolulu at an 11th Avenue address, even after he was supposedly married to Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, and that Ann Dunham left Hawaii within three weeks of the baby's birth to attend the University of Washington in Seattle.

Dunham did not return to Hawaii until after Barack Obama Sr. left Hawaii in June 1962 to attend graduate school at Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass.

It's possible the yet-undisclosed birth record in the state archives that Abercrombie has discovered may have come from the grandparents registering baby Obama's birth, an event that would have triggered both the newspaper birth announcements and availability of a Certification of Live Birth, even if no long-form record exists.

WND has confirmed with Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu, that Adams was indeed working in their elections offices during the last presidential election.

"We hire temporary workers, because we're seasonal," Takahashi told WND.

Adams told WND he supported Hillary Clinton during the 2008 presidential election campaign.

He described himself as a libertarian who wants less government spending, fewer laws that restrict personal freedoms, more adherences to the Constitution and an end to foreign wars.

"I'm interested in individual liberty and upholding the Constitution," he said. "I want to get American troops out from foreign countries, and I want to see the federal budget balanced."

He said he might be inclined to support former-Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee or former-Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney in 2012 to run against President Obama, but he has not yet made up his mind.

"It depends on how fiscally conservative Huckabee and Romney turn out to be on economics," he said. "But from what I know right now, they would probably be better than Obama."



Read more: Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401#ixzz1Ifqxkv9C



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 10:22:39 AM
33,

how many people are involved in this cover-up?

his political opponents knew about it in 2008 and never 'went there'.
The CIA and FBI know, and never revealed it.
The media is playing along too - all the TV and print media.
And entire state govt in hawaii is maintaining the lie too.

So how many people do you think are 'in on it'?




Doesnt take many -   where is the long form BC signed by a doctor and listing the hospital ofbirth?   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 10:22:48 AM
33,

how many people are involved in this cover-up?

his political opponents knew about it in 2008 and never 'went there'.
The CIA and FBI know, and never revealed it.
The media is playing along too - all the TV and print media.
And entire state govt in hawaii is maintaining the lie too.

So how many people do you think are 'in on it'?



The head of health is in on it too.  Apparently not one of his employees could access and prove him wrong, despite the temptation to do so.  

Apparently we can have high level US documents released by a rouge solider, but not ONE single hawaiian state employee with access to birth records can prove Obama wasn't born there.  

Weird.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 05, 2011, 10:24:33 AM
33,

it's commonly said that 911 couldn't have been an inside job. Why?  Because (despite 2.3 trillion going missing the day before the attacks), there's no way you'd be able to bribe the 500 or 1000 key people involved to STFU.  Somebody would talk.  

Now, you're talking about a sitaution where MILLIONS of people are hiding this obama secret.  Multiple govt agencies.  The world media.  This goes beyond america - every govt in the world is keeping it a secret.  Maybe even BILLIONS of people can keep a secret here.


See how your bullshit logic on 911 works - 500 people coulnd't STFU for a buttload of $ - but somehow you have millions of govt employees staying quiet for free.

Sorry bro - the Birth cert issue stinks, but it's a ct and your own arguments against 9/11 make you look like shit on this one.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 10:25:38 AM
Donald Trump doesn't give a damn
Politico ^ | 4/5/11 | Joe Scarborough




I called Trump last Friday to see if he would back off his claim that the president of the United States might be constitutionally prohibited from holding his office.

“I’m not finished with that issue by any stretch of the imagination,” Trump told me. “You mock me for that, but his own grandmother says he was born in Kenya and says she was there.”

The New York real estate mogul didn’t stop with questions about the birth certificate. Trump also claimed the president’s first book was ghostwritten by a domestic terrorist.


(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 10:26:09 AM
So the Head of the State of Hawaii's health department is lying?   A clerk without any proof other than 'someone told me' is now more believable than the head of the State of Hawaii's heath department?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 10:29:25 AM
So the Head of the State of Hawaii's health department is lying?   A clerk without any proof other than 'someone told me' is now more believable than the head of the State of Hawaii's heath department?

No, - GARBAGE IN = GARBAGE OUT

They say they have "notes" showing obama was born there that were written down.  no records, no long form BC, no hospital records, the SS is a fake, the mother was seen in Seattle days after the alleged birth, the father was not around, ambercromibe said he cant find a long form BC, the ex worker said supervisors told him no long form BC exists, the colb contains bogus info not available in 1961, etc. 


 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 10:31:30 AM
No, - GARBAGE IN = GARBAGE OUT

They say they have "notes" showing obama was born there that were written down.  no records, no long form BC, no hospital records, the SS is a fake, the mother was seen in Seattle days after the alleged birth, the father was not around, ambercromibe said he cant find a long form BC, the ex worker said supervisors told him no long form BC exists, the colb contains bogus info not available in 1961, etc. 


 

Lies.  The Head of the State of Hawaii health said this - I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures"

Dr Chiyome Fukino

Is he lying?  Is the State of Hawaii committing fraud by issuing an official document saying Obama was born there?  Answer yes or no.  is Hawaii lying?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 10:33:39 AM
Yes!   He is not saying there is a long form BC.   where is it? 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 10:34:22 AM
BORN IN THE USA?

Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate
Suggests controversy could hurt president's re-election chances


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: January 18, 2011
8:05 pm Eastern


By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2011 WorldNetDaily



Neil Abercrombie
 
Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser he was searching within the Hawaii Department of Health to find definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii, because the continuing eligibility controversy could hurt the president's chances of re-election in 2012.

Donalyn Dela Cruz, Abercrombie's spokeswoman in Honolulu, ignored again today another in a series of repeated requests made by WND for an interview with the governor.

Toward the end of the interview, the newspaper asked Abercrombie: "You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plan to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming?"

In his response, Abercrombie acknowledged the birth certificate issue will have "political implications" for the next presidential election "that we simply cannot have."

Get the free, in-depth special report on eligibility that could bring an end to Obama's presidency

Suggesting he was still intent on producing more birth records on Obama from the Hawaii Department of Health vital records vault, Abercrombie told the newspaper there was a recording of the Obama birth in the state archives that he wants to make public.

(Story continues below)

     


Abercrombie did not report to the newspaper that he or the Hawaii Department of Health had found Obama's long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate. The governor only suggested his investigations to date had identified an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives.

"It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down," Abercrombie said.

For seemingly the first time, Abercrombie frankly acknowledged that presidential politics motivated his search for Obama birth records, implying that failure to resolve the questions that remain unanswered about the president's birth and early life may damage his chance for re-election.


"If there is a political agenda (regarding Obama's birth certificate), then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president," he said.

So far, the only birth document available on Obama is a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth that first appeared on the Internet during the 2008 presidential campaign. It was posted by two purportedly independent websites that have displayed a strong partisan bias for Obama – Snopes.com released the COLB in June 2008, and FactCheck.org published photographs of the document in August 2008.

WND previously reported the Hawaii Department of Health has refused to authenticate the COLB posted on the Internet by Snopes.com and FactCheck.org.

WND has reported that in 1961, Obama's grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, could have made an in-person report of a Hawaii birth even if the infant Barack Obama Jr. had been foreign-born.

Similarly, the newspaper announcements of Obama's birth do not prove he was born in Hawaii, since they could have been triggered by the grandparents registering the birth as Hawaiian, even if the baby was born elsewhere.

Moreover, WND has documented that the address reported in the newspaper birth announcements was the home of the grandparents.

WND also has reported that Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment in Honolulu, even after he was supposedly married to Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, and that Dunham left Hawaii within three weeks of the baby's birth to attend the University of Washington in Seattle.

Dunham did not return to Hawaii until after Barack Obama Sr. left Hawaii in June 1962 to attend graduate school at Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass.

Conceivably, the yet undisclosed birth record in the state archives that Abercrombie has discovered may have come from the grandparents registering Obama's birth, an event that would have triggered both the newspaper birth announcements and availability of a Certification of Live Birth, even if no long-form birth certificate existed.

WND has also reported that Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008, has maintained that there is no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate on file with the Hawaii Department of Health and that neither Honolulu hospital – Queens Medical Center or Kapiolani Medical Center – has any record that Obama was born there.



Read more: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=252833#ixzz1Ifu8TF7j



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 10:35:23 AM
Yes!   He is not saying there is a long form BC.   where is it? 

Hahahahahaha i'm quoting this for posterity.   ;D

Hawaii is lying hahahaha a clerk told me so!  ;D

You are now enshrined in stupidity forever on getbig.

Congrats 333!  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: MB on April 05, 2011, 10:36:04 AM
Lies.  The Head of the State of Hawaii health said this - I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures"

Dr Chiyome Fukino

Is he lying?  Is the State of Hawaii committing fraud by issuing an official document saying Obama was born there?  Answer yes or no.  is Hawaii lying?

If he is referring to the same COLB posted online, then he may not be lying, but do you accept that document as proof?  It looks phony from the word go. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 10:36:57 AM
Hahahahahaha i'm quoting this for posterity.   ;D

Hawaii is lying hahahaha a clerk told me so!  ;D

You are now enshrined in stupidity forever on getbig.

Congrats 333!  

WHERE IS THE LONG FORM BC AD WHY HAS NOT OBAMA AUTHORIZED ITS RELEASE?   

________________________ _______________

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZmS_itcQo4


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 10:37:38 AM
If he is referring to the same COLB posted online, then he may not be lying, but do you accept that document as proof?  It looks phony from the word go. 

Posted online?  The pictures were sure, but the certificate of live birth is a real document, produced by the state of Hawaii.  333 claims it's a fake, thereby saying the State of Hawaii and it's records department have committed fraud.  



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 10:38:24 AM
WHERE IS THE LONG FORM BC AD WHY HAS NOT OBAMA AUTHORIZED ITS RELEASE?   

________________________ _______________




he doesn't have to.  He has a LEGAL document proving his birth COLB is a Legal document produced by the state of Hawaii.  Suck it b*tch you're a fool! and everyone knows it!


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 10:38:34 AM
If he is referring to the same COLB posted online, then he may not be lying, but do you accept that document as proof?  It looks phony from the word go. 

This is what a real long form BC from 1961 in Hawaii looks like.  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 10:40:09 AM
Posted online?  The pictures were sure, but the certificate of live birth is a real document, produced by the state of Hawaii.  333 claims it's a fake, thereby saying the State of Hawaii and it's records department have committed fraud.  



They only produced in 2007 after obama announced he was running and refused to say what they based the info on that they used to generate the COLB.   They listed the father as "AFRICAN" as for his race but in 1961 - that as not even an option!   

So what dd they base it on? 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 10:41:23 AM
he doesn't have to.  He has a LEGAL document proving his birth COLB is a Legal document produced by the state of Hawaii.  Suck it b*tch you're a fool! and everyone knows it!

 ::)   ::)   ::)


Yeah along wth the 30 other series of docs he refuses to release.   Yeah, nothing to see here.    ::)  ::) 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 05, 2011, 10:44:35 AM
millions of people are in on the cover up.  the entire state of hawaii.  it's so crazy.  fox news is in on it too - they see all this info and it should be the top story every night - an illigitimate president?

LOL.... 33, why do you think all these people are doing it?  Why would Bill O Reilly want to help illegal alien Obama stay in power?  Why does Glen beck want to see Obama stay in his job?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 10:46:13 AM
millions of people are in on the cover up.  the entire state of hawaii.  it's so crazy.  fox news is in on it too - they see all this info and it should be the top story every night - an illigitimate president?

LOL.... 33, why do you think all these people are doing it?  Why would Bill O Reilly want to help illegal alien Obama stay in power?  Why does Glen beck want to see Obama stay in his job?


For $10 this all goes away.   Yet obama spend over a m illion to keep his records quashed and you morons and obama dildos accept anything ad everything from the messiah.  Pathetic,     

Look at that 240. 



http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/attention-bill-oreilly-the-rest-of-the-story.pdf






Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: MB on April 05, 2011, 10:48:43 AM
Posted online?  The pictures were sure, but the certificate of live birth is a real document, produced by the state of Hawaii.  333 claims it's a fake, thereby saying the State of Hawaii and it's records department have committed fraud.  

Has Dr. Fukino seen the long form BC?  She didn't specify, but my guess is that she saw the COLB without ever seeing a long form BC.  It looks suspicious at best.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 05, 2011, 10:49:18 AM
For $10 this all goes away.   Yet obama spend over a m illion to keep his records quashed and you morons and obama dildos accept anything ad everything from the messiah.  Pathetic,    

Look at that 240.  
http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/attention-bill-oreilly-the-rest-of-the-story.pdf

Maybe it says something embarassing about his deceased parents' relationship.  Maybe his dad wasn't his real dad.

If it was you - both your parents were gone - and the left-wing media was dying to spend the next 2 straight years talking about the fact your mom stepped out or your dad wasn't in the picture - would you release your paper?

The documents are showing more and more that his daddy was with another woman when he was born - shit like that happens - his parents were young.

Why give a smug Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck the chance to spend the next 700 days bashing his deceased parents?  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 10:52:24 AM
Because if he is subject to blackmail from gadaffi or King Abdoullah for sht like this we deserve to know.   The House of Saud paid for his education to begin to with, so this is bad enough.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 05, 2011, 10:53:53 AM
Because if he is subject to blackmail from gadaffi or King Abdoullah for sht like this we deserve to know.   The House of Saud paid for his education to begin to with, so this is bad enough.   

the fbi and cia surely have files on him.

they're all "in on this grand conspiracy" too?

you can't just say "the BC is bogus" without telling us why all the agencies that keep records on you for your GB posts and rifle purchases aren't keeping one on him?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 10:55:42 AM
the fbi and cia surely have files on him.

they're all "in on this grand conspiracy" too?

you can't just say "the BC is bogus" without telling us why all the agencies that keep records on you for your GB posts and rifle purchases aren't keeping one on him?

240 - yes or no - do you know who Khalid Al Mansour & Percy Sutton are?   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 05, 2011, 11:08:06 AM
240 - yes or no - do you know who Khalid Al Mansour & Percy Sutton are?   
OBAMAS DAD?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 05, 2011, 11:09:20 AM
nope, i dont know.

i see youre going to answer my Q of "How did obama get millions of feds to keep quiet about this" with some CT personalities and their suppositive writings. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 11:13:40 AM
OBAMAS DAD?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EcC0QAd0Ug


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 11:19:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxd0kQla3FA


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 11:22:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwmX_G5Bdn8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjRNjrVkIvI


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 05, 2011, 11:34:01 AM
33,

You video clip of Alex jones...
AJ has been exposing govt lies, corruption, and criminal activity for 20 years.

Do you consider Alex Jones to be credible?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 11:48:54 AM
I posted that for the guest Berg wh ha been on this from day 1.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 12:13:18 PM
Yes!   He is not saying there is a long form BC.   where is it? 

Just wanted to requote this classic.  Hahaha Hawaii is lying! Obama is Kenyan!  They committed an act of forgery by issuing a legal document! Hahahaha

Mods - how is this even on the main board?  This is a CT dis proven 'officially' by the Hawaiian State health officials.  It's no more credible than moronic 9/11 CT's. 

Why else do we have a CT board?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 12:17:10 PM
CT thread.  Move mods.   ;D

Not even a good CT either.  It's a horrible CT.  Not even remotely believable. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 12:17:30 PM
Again - I posted a real long form BC from someone born in 1961 that looks nothing like the nonsense they came up with in 2007.   Where in the long form BC signed by a doctor and shows the hospital of birth?  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 12:19:15 PM
Again - I posted a real long form BC from someone born in 1961 that looks nothing like the nonsense they came up with in 2007.   Where in the long form BC signed by a doctor and shows the hospital of birth?  

Again - Post the legal requirement Obama has to produce it?  The COLB is, according to the State of Hawaii, an official document. 

Even if he did produce it, which he doesn't have to, but if he did you'd claim it was a 'fake' and the State of Hawaii was yet again lying.

Poorly done CT.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 12:19:49 PM
CT thread.  Move mods.   ;D

Not even a good CT either.  It's a horrible CT.  Not even remotely believable. 

Why is that?  Have you seen the records he has refused to release?   Ambercrombie cant find the BC, the guy who worked there says the supervisors told him no BC exists?   The COLB bama presented is bogus.  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 12:20:59 PM
Again - Post the legal requirement Obama has to produce it?  The COLB is, according to the State of Hawaii, an official document. 

Even if he did produce it, which he doesn't have to, but if he did you'd claim it was a 'fake' and the State of Hawaii was yet again lying.

Poorly done CT.

Yeah, because the POTUS needs to take the 5th.   nice what we expect from our leaders now.    ::)  ::)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 12:25:35 PM
Why is that?  Have you seen the records he has refused to release?   Ambercrombie cant find the BC, the guy who worked there says the supervisors told him no BC exists?   The COLB bama presented is bogus.  

Point by point refute -

He has released a LEGAL document CERTIFIED by the STATE OF HAWAII.  

Ambercrombie can not produce the document without Obama's consent- There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document.

A Clerk claimed he was told this.  One person in a team of how many?  And i would think the CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER who has certified Obama's document as official hold more weight than a Clerk don't you?  



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 05, 2011, 12:26:27 PM
What is this talk about a long form?

Every state doesn't have one.

I got a birth certificate and my kids have them and it looks like this.

(http://johndenugent.org/images/ingrid-atzl-nugent-va-birth-certificate.jpg)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 12:27:12 PM
Yeah, because the POTUS needs to take the 5th.   nice what we expect from our leaders now.    ::)  ::)

He doesn't need to take the 5th.  He has produced a LEGAL document certifying his birth in the United States of America.  A document certified LEGAL by the HEALTH AUTHORITIES of Hawaii.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 05, 2011, 12:27:38 PM
This is ridiculous... How many times to BCs get lost and reprinted... about a million.

If someone has a BC reprinted today, you get the one like Hawaii provided.

This is the dumbest thing ever.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 12:29:03 PM
This is ridiculous... How many times to BCs get lost and reprinted... about a million.

If someone has a BC reprinted today, you get the one like Hawaii provided.

This is the dumbest thing ever.

EXACTLY! 

Apparently though Hawaiian State officials are lying.  According to 333 that is.

Ask him, he'll tell you they are lying because a former Clerk told WND so.  HAHAHA!


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 12:31:16 PM
No!  He is certifing the COLB which is not nonsense and not backed by a long form BC.   Show me one document signed by any official in HA as to who delivered and obama and where and when like every one baby born?   Even one document will do.  


And why wont obama release it if it exists?  What is he hiding that he wont give ambercromibie permission?  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 12:33:03 PM
This is ridiculous... How many times to BCs get lost and reprinted... about a million.

If someone has a BC reprinted today, you get the one like Hawaii provided.

This is the dumbest thing ever.

That is not true! 

Hawaii said they never lost any records and obama has never made that claim and said in his book before he ran that he has a BC.   This was before 2007 and the nonsense he put out in the COLB which is a fake.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 12:33:24 PM
No!  He is certifing the COLB which is not nonsense and not backed by a long form BC.   Show me one document signed by any official in HA as to who delivered and obama and where and when like every one baby born?   Even one document will do.  


And why wont obama release it if it exists?  What is he hiding that he wont give ambercromibie permission?  

So the COLB is made up?  Weird.  I guess the illegals should all go to Hawaii 'cause they are handing out official documents to anyone!!!


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 12:33:47 PM
EXACTLY! 

Apparently though Hawaiian State officials are lying.  According to 333 that is.

Ask him, he'll tell you they are lying because a former Clerk told WND so.  HAHAHA!

They certified the colb which was created in 2007.  What is that based on?   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 12:35:05 PM
No!  He is certifing the COLB which is not nonsense and not backed by a long form BC.   Show me one document signed by any official in HA as to who delivered and obama and where and when like every one baby born?   Even one document will do.  


And why wont obama release it if it exists?  What is he hiding that he wont give ambercromibie permission?  

I don't have to produce anything.  The STATE OF HAWAII already did.  It's called a Certificate of Live Birth. 

UH perhaps he's hiding his right to privacy.  Just because you are a public figure doesn't mean everything you've ever done should be public information.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: MB on April 05, 2011, 12:35:13 PM
He doesn't need to take the 5th.  He has produced a LEGAL document certifying his birth in the United States of America.  A document certified LEGAL by the HEALTH AUTHORITIES of Hawaii.

Not exactly true.  Obama wouldn't be able to even get a passport with his COLB.  It's essentially worthless in terms of legality.  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 12:35:23 PM
So the COLB is made up?  Weird.  I guess the illegals should all go to Hawaii 'cause they are handing out official documents to anyone!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1hheX7uTak


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 12:36:15 PM
They certified the colb which was created in 2007.  What is that based on?   

The records the State of Hawaii has certifying Obama's birth in Hawaii.  You think they just make stuff up?  That's fraud and would get anyone fired.  If that's the case we should question EVERY SINGLE hawaiian state document.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 12:37:09 PM
I don't have to produce anything.  The STATE OF HAWAII already did.  It's called a Certificate of Live Birth. 

UH perhaps he's hiding his right to privacy.  Just because you are a public figure doesn't mean everything you've ever done should be public information.

When you are POTUS - you dont get that liberty.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 12:37:16 PM
Not exactly true.  Obama wouldn't be able to even get a passport with his COLB.  It's essentially worthless in terms of legality.  

And he has a passport does he not?  End of CT  ;D

Thanks for ending it buddy!


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 12:38:11 PM
When you are POTUS - you dont get that liberty.   

Says who?  You?  Eat sh*t fu*k face.  EVERYONE has that right to privacy on certain issues.  This is one of them. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 12:38:44 PM
And he has a passport does he not?  End of CT  ;D

Thanks for ending it buddy!

Guess what KC - he is using a phoney SS number for that and wont release the details on his different passports he has used in the past.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1hheX7uTak  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: MB on April 05, 2011, 12:38:58 PM
And he has a passport does he not?  End of CT  ;D

Thanks for ending it buddy!

I don't know if he does?  Either do you.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 12:39:31 PM
Says who?  You?  Eat sh*t fu*k face.  EVERYONE has that right to privacy on certain issues.  This is one of them. 

Meltdown.   You clearly have no clue on this issue whatsoever.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 12:41:42 PM
I don't know if he does?  Either do you.

So he traveled to Kenya on what?  a birth certificate?  Hahaha


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 12:42:32 PM
Obama admits he traveled to Indonesia during his college yars.   What name did he use?   Barry Soetoro or Barack obama?   Where is a copy of that passport?   


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW7VvGzIWX0


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 12:42:43 PM
Meltdown.   You clearly have no clue on this issue whatsoever.   

Meltdown? Ha that would be your IQ melting down to the level of pond scum for believing this nonsense.  

This thread is one big joke, and it's all on you!  :D


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 12:43:18 PM
So he traveled to Kenya on what?  a birth certificate?  Hahaha

We don't know - most likely a foreign passport from indonesia.       


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 05, 2011, 12:49:14 PM
We don't know - most likely a foreign passport from indonesia.       

"Most likely"

Where the hell are you pulling this stuff from? Gotta be your ass man.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 05, 2011, 12:49:36 PM
We don't know - most likely a foreign passport from indonesia.       

based on what?  So let me get this right. Obama was born in Kenya, flew to hawaii, then to indonesia on a fake indonesian passport.  Then flew back to the US on a fake indonesian passport, then got a fake birth cert and fake ss numbers, then became friends with a terrorist and asked him to write his book, then became president and now has the state of hawaii lying for him to prove all this is false?  

Wow.  Dude you are fu*ked in the head hahaha  :o


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 12:53:30 PM
"Most likely"

Where the hell are you pulling this stuff from? Gotta be your ass man.

His stepdad Lolo Soetoro (Who Obama's mother married after Barack Sr. went off having an affair and 6 other out of wedlock kids) adopted him and he changed his name to "Barry Soetoro" when he went to Indonesia to register for the madrassa.  Indonesia does not allow dual citizens so Barryhad to have reigstered as a indonesian citizen in order to get accepted there.   I will post the  copy of the registration record later.


There is no record whatsoever of Obama ever legally changing his name back to Barack Obama or of the passports he traveled to indonesia or pakistan under.   
   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 05, 2011, 12:54:26 PM
"Most likely"

Where the hell are you pulling this stuff from? Gotta be your ass man.
lmao


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: MB on April 05, 2011, 12:56:19 PM
All we know is that he has a COLB that looks like this and a penchant for using fake ss numbers.  All other records are just speculation.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 12:57:38 PM
All we know is that he has a COLB birth that looks like this and a penchant for using fake ss numbers.  All other records are just speculation.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 01:01:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkjFc3S21nY


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 05, 2011, 02:00:05 PM
weren't there FOUR different types of forms used for hawaii birth certs in 1961?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 02:08:48 PM
POLL: Trump's 'birther' strategy working in NH... (via Drudge)
www.politico.com ^ | 04/05/2011 | KASIE HUNT


________________________ ________________________ __________-



"A Donald Trump-Mitt Romney showdown in New Hampshire

Looks like Donald Trump's win-the-birthers strategy is working in New Hampshire — and that’s coming at the expense of front-runner Mitt Romney.

Romney leads the first-in-the-nation primary contest in a multitude of scenarios involving difference candidates, often by as much as a 2-1 margin, according to a survey out Tuesday from Public Policy Polling. But when Trump gets into the race, Romney’s edge shrinks to 6 points, 27 percent to 21 percent.

If Trump isn't included in the survey, Romney draws 32 percent of the vote, with Mike Huckabee a distant second at 15 percent.

The difference is the birthers: The Democratic polling shop found that Trump leads Romney among those who doubt President Barack Obama’s citizenship 22 percent to 21 percent. A previous PPP survey found that 42 percent of New Hampshire GOPers don't believe Obama was born in America.

The survey of 384 Republican primary voters in the state has a sampling error of plus or minus 5 percent."

From: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52559.html




Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 05, 2011, 02:10:40 PM
" 42 percent of New Hampshire GOPers don't believe Obama was born in America. :"


That is frickin awesome!


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 02:15:49 PM
" 42 percent of New Hampshire GOPers don't believe Obama was born in America. :"


That is frickin awesome!

Other than a bogus certification of a fake document, there is ZERO proof obama was born here.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 05, 2011, 02:19:14 PM
Other than a bogus certification of a fake document, there is ZERO proof obama was born here.   

why won't the repub congress open an investigation?  Issa has that power now!

Unless..... wait.....

They're all in on it too!  Gasp!!!!!!!!

This conspiracy goes all the way to the top, man! 



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 02:23:27 PM
why won't the repub congress open an investigation?  Issa has that power now!

Unless..... wait.....

They're all in on it too!  Gasp!!!!!!!!

This conspiracy goes all the way to the top, man! 



No, they dont want to go near it for fear of where it might lead.   Lets say the truth gets out and it is found that obama was kenyan born, do you realize what that will result in?     


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 05, 2011, 02:24:14 PM
you'd think they would be all over it if it is as plain and simple, cut and dry as 33333 makes it out to be................


but oh well, it is what it is........ :)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 05, 2011, 02:24:53 PM
No, they dont want to go near it for fear of where it might lead.   Lets say the truth gets out and it is found that obama was kenyan born, do you realize what that will result in?     

A natural born president of the USA?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 02:27:17 PM
you'd think they would be all over it if it is as plain and simple, cut and dry as 33333 makes it out to be................


but oh well, it is what it is........ :)

These are very simple questions you cant answer.  Where is the long form BC signed by a doctor showing where he was born?   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 02:38:49 PM
Hawaii senator wonders what Obama's hiding
WND ^ | April 05, 2011 | Drew Zahn






The lone Republican in the Hawaii State Senate was interviewed on the radio this morning, explaining that while believes Barack Obama was born in the Aloha State, he questions what might be on the original, long-form birth certificate that would prompt the president to go to such lengths to conceal it.

"I'm not a 'birther,'" Hawaii State Sen. Sam Slom told Jeff Katz of WXKS Radio in Boston, "and I followed this from the very beginning. At first I followed it with amusement, and then I got really concerned about it, because the question was if it was not just the birth certificate, but other records as well – school records, academic records, work records – why would anyone spend millions of dollars in legal fees, particularly someone in public office, particularly someone in the highest public office, to not make that information public?"

As WND has reported, besides Obama's actual birth documentation, the president has refused to release his Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, Illinois State Bar Association records, baptism records and his adoption records.


(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 05, 2011, 02:47:56 PM
These are very simple questions you cant answer.  Where is the long form BC signed by a doctor showing where he was born?   

So then the GOP is in the scam too?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 02:49:21 PM
So then the GOP is in the scam too?

No, they are just pussies too afraid to attack his past and record for fear of what they will unearth.  Its not a CT at all.  They are just ignoring the issue.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 05, 2011, 02:54:45 PM
No, they are just pussies too afraid to attack his past and record for fear of what they will unearth.  Its not a CT at all.  They are just ignoring the issue.   

Wow, so they are traders too?  They know the truth but will not pursue it?  So in essence they are on Obama's side?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 02:56:14 PM
Wow, so they are traders too?  They know the truth but will not pursue it?  So in essence they are on Obama's side?

On this issue?  Yes.   Definately.  its fucking simple - pay the damn $10 an release your records, all of them.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 05, 2011, 02:58:44 PM
On this issue?  Yes.   Definately.  its fucking simple - pay the damn $10 an release your records, all of them.   

Do you really think its about paying the $10?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 03:04:22 PM
Its about him hiding something.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 05, 2011, 03:07:33 PM
Then why do you keep bringing up the $10 thing?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: blacken700 on April 05, 2011, 03:12:23 PM
just give it up, nothing is going to come of this, just a big waste of fu@king time, makes you look like a retard like the rest of them


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 05, 2011, 03:23:08 PM
No, they dont want to go near it for fear of where it might lead.   Lets say the truth gets out and it is found that obama was kenyan born, do you realize what that will result in?     

No.  Tell us.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 05, 2011, 03:24:20 PM
But to ignore the birther issue is to embrace obama - and his policies.

So you're saying they won't pursue it because "what it will lead to..."

Could you be any more cryptic?  And why doesn't trump care what it will lead to?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 03:26:45 PM
Trump does not give a rats ass like the other phonies. Ten dollars and this all goes away.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Freeborn126 on April 05, 2011, 03:27:39 PM
Most normal people have only one SSN their whole life.  Why did Obama have to have so many?  With so much controversy involved?  Something is not right here.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 05, 2011, 03:28:07 PM
Then why do you keep bringing up the $10 thing?

bump


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 06:24:19 PM
Why do African Newspapers call Obama Kenyan-Born??

Here are 6 African Newspaper articles calling Obama “Kenyan-Born”

**************************************************
Notice the first article was from Sunday, June 27, “2004”
*****************************************************************

Historical News Articles and FactCheck Agree: Obama is “Kenyan-Born”
Posted on October 18th, 2009 by David-Crockett

Sunday, June 27, “2004”

Kenya Sunday Standard headline-”Kenyan-born” Obama all set for US Senate
http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/Born04.htm

The Nigerian Observer-Americans will today go to the polls to elect their next President with Democratic Party candidate, Senator Barack Obama largely favoured to win. The “Kenyan-born” Senator will…”
http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/Born01.htm

USAfrica — “Kenyan-born” OBAMA makes history…wins presidential nomination of U. S. Democratic party; eyes on White House…
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/Born09.gif

AllAfrica.com — ” Little wonder then why “Kenyan-born” Barack Obama, America’s first Black President…”
http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/Born02.htm

GraphicGhana.com — “For Ghana, Obama’s visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever “African-American President” on this presidential visit to the “continent of his birth”. The same article, with the same quote, appeared in ModernGhana.com.
http://www.theobamafile.com/.../...5-ContinentOfBirth.htm

The Ghana Times — “So far, the odds favour the once underdog in American politics, Obama, the “African-American Senator” from Illinois state. A Congressional Quarterly (CQ) politics monitored on BBC put the “Kenyan born” American ahead of his rivel, John McCain.”
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/Born07.bmp



Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 07:05:24 PM
BUMP - BB - can you merge this with the Birther Thread?


Title: Re: Hawaii overnor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 07:06:47 PM
Not an Abercrombie fan, but he's doing the right thing. 

Can you merge this thread with the Birther Thread? 


Title: Re: Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate: "Long Form BC May not exist"
Post by: Dos Equis on April 05, 2011, 07:09:14 PM
BUMP - BB - can you merge this with the Birther Thread?

Done.


Title: Re: Hawaii overnor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Dos Equis on April 05, 2011, 07:11:28 PM
Can you merge this thread with the Birther Thread? 

Going to be one long thread.   :)


Title: Re: Hawaii overnor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 07:12:43 PM
Going to be one long thread.   :)

The thing that I still can not get over is that for $10 this entire thing could be put to rest one way or the other.   


Title: Re: Hawaii overnor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: MB on April 05, 2011, 07:21:34 PM
The thing that I still can not get over is that for $10 this entire thing could be put to rest one way or the other.   

Even if he was born in HI, he knows that it would be a can of worms to let out his long form BC.  He still can't account for his ability to travel to foreign countries while in college, even though he didn't have a US passport.  Then there is his fraudulent SSN.  He knows that his best move is to laugh it off and not waste his time on those crazy "birthers".  So far the strategy is working, but if Trump keeps the issue in the spotlight, more truth will come out. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: George Whorewell on April 05, 2011, 07:44:17 PM
You guys are all racists. Obama promised to be the most transparent President in American history. He has lived up to his promise. Most Americans just aren't bright enough to understand his intellectual superiority and nuanced, complex, otherworldly nature.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 07:45:09 PM
$10 and this all goes away. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: George Whorewell on April 05, 2011, 07:48:58 PM
$10 and this all goes away. 

Racist post reported. He didn't land on Plymouth Rock. Plymouth Rock landed on him.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 05, 2011, 07:52:03 PM
Racist post reported. He didn't land on Plymouth Rock. Plymouth Rock landed on him.

Actually Obama does not have traditional slave blood.   If anything, his ancestors probably sold slaves to the dutch more than anything. 


Title: Re: Hawaii overnor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: andreisdaman on April 06, 2011, 06:55:05 AM
The thing that I still can not get over is that for $10 this entire thing could be put to rest one way or the other.   

no it wouldn't...you still wouldn't believe it.. >:(


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: andreisdaman on April 06, 2011, 06:56:06 AM
Actually Obama does not have traditional slave blood.   If anything, his ancestors probably sold slaves to the dutch more than anything. 


sighhhhhh..the slander never ends with you huh???


Title: Re: Hawaii overnor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 06:56:20 AM
no it wouldn't...you still wouldn't believe it.. >:(

 ::)  ::)

Even Gov.Ambercrombie is pissed off he cant find a BC and bama wont release his records.  



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 06:57:20 AM

sighhhhhh..the slander never ends with you huh???

Its the truth.  mobacca has slave blood but barry have mostly slave trader blood.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 06, 2011, 07:00:30 AM
Its the truth.  mobacca has slave blood but barry have mostly slave trader blood.   


and you are a petty low slimy piece of dogshit...its the truth


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: andreisdaman on April 06, 2011, 07:03:00 AM
Its the truth.  mobacca has slave blood but barry have mostly slave trader blood.   

How much lower can you sink???....INCREDIBLE!!!!


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 07:05:13 AM

and you are a petty low slimy piece of dogshit...its the truth

The truth hurts - doesnt it - 95% er.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 06, 2011, 07:22:26 AM
The truth hurts - doesnt it - 95% er.   

truth.. are you shittin me.. dude i own you.. you want to keep that 95%er shit going.. but nothing backs it up.. you = lame.. nothing of substance and are the laughing stock of getbig. Even people you think are "on your side" have pmed me and said how retarded you are and how you cheapen their arguments. Just notice how you get further from reality, your other conservatives start to disappear...lol.. i bet you never noticed that.. hahahah you=glen beck of getbig.. sorry.. thats some truth for you


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 07:24:33 AM
Where is the long form BC signed by a doc naming the hospital?

Until you can produce that - STFU and go with your 95%er Hope & Change nonsense your stupid ass fell for like a dope last time and eat shit.   

 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 06, 2011, 07:45:45 AM
Where is the long form BC signed by a doc naming the hospital?

Until you can produce that - STFU and go with your 95%er Hope & Change nonsense your stupid ass fell for like a dope last time and eat shit.   

 

no i didnt.. i just didnt want to vote for Palin.. glad i didnt... she would have quit..


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 07:48:52 AM
no i didnt.. i just didnt want to vote for Palin.. glad i didnt... she would have quit..

I guess you are assuming McCain would have died?   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 08:52:02 AM
no i didnt.. i just didnt want to vote for Palin.. glad i didnt... she would have quit..

You think Palin would have quit as VP or are you just saying that sarcastically?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 06, 2011, 08:57:32 AM
You think Palin would have quit as VP or are you just saying that sarcastically?

shittin me right?.. well i didnt know at the time she would have quit because she hadnt quit as gov yet. But she quit because she had a lot of pressure on her.. well as leader of the free world.. dont you think thats a bit more pressure? She would have quit as Mayor of a major city..


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 08:58:26 AM
shittin me right?.. well i didnt know at the time she would have quit because she hadnt quit as gov yet. But she quit because she had a lot of pressure on her.. well as leader of the free world.. dont you think thats a bit more pressure? She would have quit as Mayor of a major city..

So mcCain would have died?   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 06, 2011, 08:58:46 AM
ya know, with palin, I could have even gotten past her lying about flying with broken water... her overconfidence.... her support of capping emissions and amnesty...

but she's just so fcccking whiny.  I mean seriously.  "I'm a victim of the media".  STFU.  if you think katie couric is brutal, wait til the G20 decides to drop the buck or China/Russia decide to pull some military shit.  If youre not tough enough to put katie couric on her ass, you aren't ready for world leaders, sorry...


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 06, 2011, 09:00:31 AM
So mcCain would have died?   

im not sure.. i couldnt take that chance... palin is a nightmare..


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 06, 2011, 09:03:20 AM
obama has aged terribly in 2 years already. 

mccain was 72, 4 bouts of cancer, some magic spot on his head where he 'kept bumping his head on that doggone limo door' or was getting treatment.

He showed moments of confusion, walking in front of cameras.  He was really easy to get really pissed during debates, frustrated way more than he was before.

He has an easy job as senator.  President is one stressful job.  I think actuaries put him at a 3 in 4 chance of making it thru his first term as president.  Scary. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 09:06:54 AM
shittin me right?.. well i didnt know at the time she would have quit because she hadnt quit as gov yet. But she quit because she had a lot of pressure on her.. well as leader of the free world.. dont you think thats a bit more pressure? She would have quit as Mayor of a major city..

Ehh, its a valid argument i suppose.  But the responsibility she had as governor versus VP might have been so different that she wouldn't have let herself quit. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: andreisdaman on April 06, 2011, 12:06:37 PM
The truth hurts - doesnt it - 95% er.   

there's never ANY truth in ANYTHING you say..thats the problem


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 12:09:36 PM
there's never ANY truth in ANYTHING you say..thats the problem

Obama's lineage is not tradtional african american.  its arab and white.  You dopes who latched on to the fact that he has a shade of skin darker than than ofmccain are mostly gullible dupes for buying into the tailor made fraud that is obama. 



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: andreisdaman on April 06, 2011, 12:27:18 PM
Obama's lineage is not tradtional african american.  its arab and white.  You dopes who latched on to the fact that he has a shade of skin darker than than ofmccain are mostly gullible dupes for buying into the tailor made fraud that is obama. 



MY GOD..NOW you're saying that Obama is part Arab....Now I am starting to really believe that you are a gimmick created to just stir people up....NO ONE COULD BE THAT DUMB...ITS SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE!!!!! :o


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 12:29:55 PM
MY GOD..NOW you're saying that Obama is part Arab....Now I am starting to really believe that you are a gimmick created to just stir people up....NO ONE COULD BE THAT DUMB...ITS SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE!!!!! :o

Yes he is! 

Do some fucking research on this jerkioff andre.   He is not who you think he is.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 06, 2011, 01:10:30 PM
Obama's lineage is not tradtional african american.  its arab and white. 


mccain told the cameras at a rally that obama was NOT an arab.

So Mccain was in on keeping this secret too?   ???


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: MB on April 06, 2011, 01:20:03 PM

mccain told the cameras at a rally that obama was NOT an arab.

So Mccain was in on keeping this secret too?   ???

I'm sure McCain researched this. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 01:20:12 PM
This thread is unreal.  

33333, you are unraveling yourself.  


So now, Obama is a Kenyan born of Arab decent?  And the Hawaiian state government is covering for him along with so many others?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 06, 2011, 01:24:26 PM
This thread is unreal.  

33333, you are unraveling yourself.  


So now, Obama is a Kenyan born of Arab decent?  And the Hawaiian state government is covering for him along with so many others?
LOL.... IM LOVIN THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 06, 2011, 01:27:15 PM
I'm sure McCain researched this. 

getbig discussed this at great length.  mccain was asked about it.  All this birther stuff was out there.

Mccain and palin must be "in on it" too.

At this point, it might be easier to list the people in the world who ARENT in on the great scam, huh?  Trump, 333386, and a bunch of people screaming at tea party rallies.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 01:34:54 PM
LOL.... IM LOVIN THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His father was a Kenyan muslim with arab blood.   BARACK HUESSIEN OBAMA (SOUND CHRISTIAN TO YOU?)   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 01:40:31 PM
This thread is a great example of why prominent republicans are staying away from this issue.  Until definitive evidence is brought to the surface there's nothing here but speculative arguments that can potentially ruin a politician.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: MB on April 06, 2011, 01:52:28 PM
This thread is a great example of why prominent republicans are staying away from this issue.  Until definitive evidence is brought to the surface there's nothing here but speculative arguments that can potentially ruin a politician.   

You can approach it like Trump has.  He's not saying Obama is definitely not a US citizen, just that it seems strange that he won't release his birth certificate.  A lot of people agree with him, it is strange. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 01:53:02 PM
This thread is a great example of why prominent republicans are staying away from this issue.  Until definitive evidence is brought to the surface there's nothing here but speculative arguments that can potentially ruin a politician.   

Yeah, lets applaud a potus who hides his record and which would not allow him to get hired at so much as security at Burger King.  Fucking brilliant.   ::)  ::)

________________________ __________-

BTW - how does one get into Harvard law when they did not even get honors in college tobegin with?  

________________________ _______

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/obamas-years-at-columbia-are-a-mystery/85015/

Obama's Years at Columbia Are a Mystery
He Graduated Without Honors
By ROSS GOLDBERG, Special to the Sun | September 2, 2008


http://www.nysun.com/new-york/obamas-years-at-columbia-are-a-mystery/85015/

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Senator Obama's life story, from his humble roots, to his rise to Harvard Law School, to his passion as a community organizer in Chicago, has been at the center of his presidential campaign. But one chapter of the tale remains a blank — his education at Columbia College, a place he rarely speaks about and where few people seem to remember him.

Contributing to the mystery is the fact that nobody knows just how well Mr. Obama, unlike Senator McCain and most other major candidates for the past two elections, performed as a student.

The Obama campaign has refused to release his college transcript, despite an academic career that led him to Harvard Law School and, later, to a lecturing position at the University of Chicago. The shroud surrounding his experience at Columbia contrasts with that of other major party nominees since 2000, all whom have eventually released information about their college performance or seen it leaked to the public.

For better or worse, voters have taken an interest in candidates' grades since 1999, when the New Yorker published President Bush's transcript at Yale and disclosed that he was a C student. Mr. Bush had never portrayed himself as a brain, but many were surprised to learn the next year that his opponent, Vice President Gore, did not do much better at Harvard despite his intellectual image. When Senator Kerry's transcript surfaced, reporters found that he actually had a slightly lower average at Yale than Mr. Bush did.

Some political observers cite such disclosures as proof that candidates' intelligence cannot be judged solely by their political careers or the schools they attended. Grades provide a rare measure of intellect that is immune to political spin, proponents say.

"We like to pretend IQ doesn't matter, but it really does with a lot of jobs, including the presidency," a professor at Smith College who studies the effects of human intelligence on the economy, James Miller, said. "We can't trust the information that candidates give us, so it's important to look for objective data that they can't falsify or distort."

Mr. Miller acknowledged that Mr. Obama displayed academic achievement at Harvard, where he graduated magna cum laude and led the Harvard Law Review. Still, Mr. Miller said, he would like to see information about how Mr. Obama performed in various subjects at Columbia.

That view is not shared by other election observers, including some who have themselves indulged the public's interest in candidates' academic records. One of them is Geoffrey Kabaservice, a political historian who in 2000 published Senator Bradley's relatively low score of 485 on the verbal SAT. Mr. Bradley, a Rhodes Scholar who was a star basketball player at Princeton, was running for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"It's awfully hard to correlate anything, really, about a person on the basis of their grades," Mr. Kabaservice said, explaining that he published Mr. Bradley's score to highlight limitations in intelligence testing. He said he doubted that candidates' grades have affected the outcome of any recent presidential elections.

"For people who didn't like George W. Bush, for example, the grade aspect only confirmed what they thought about him," Mr. Kabaservice said. "And for everybody else, it made him more of a regular guy."

The Obama campaign declined to comment for this article and did not offer an explanation for why his transcript has not been released. But observers speculated that one reason might be the racially charged nature of the election. Mr. Obama has acknowledged benefiting from affirmative action in the past, and details about his academic performance might open him up to critics eager to accuse him, probably unfairly, of receiving a free ride, Mr. Kabaservice said.

"Anyone who is a minority and who's come up partially through the meritocracy — getting into good colleges, and subsequently good law schools — is going to come under suspicion that there was some kind of affirmative action boost," he said. "I suspect this is an area of discomfort for Obama."

In contrast with the rest of Mr. Obama's life story, little is known about his college experience. He attended Occidental College in Los Angeles for two years before transferring to Columbia in 1981. The move receives only a mention in Mr. Obama's 1995 memoir, "Dreams from My Father," which instead devotes that chapter to his impressions of race and class struggles in New York.

An article in a Columbia University publication, Columbia College Today, reported that Mr. Obama has portrayed Columbia as a period of buckling down following a troubled adolescence. He did not socialize much, he has said, instead spending a lot of time in the library, "like a monk." He has also stated that he was involved to some extent with the Black Students Organization.

Federal law limits the information that Columbia can release about Mr. Obama's time there. A spokesman for the university, Brian Connolly, confirmed that Mr. Obama spent two years at Columbia College and graduated in 1983 with a major in political science. He did not receive honors, Mr. Connolly said, though specific information on his grades is sealed. A program from the 1983 graduation ceremony lists him as a graduate.

More is known about Mr. McCain's experience at the United States Naval Academy, where he was a self-described troublemaker and graduated in the bottom 1% of his class. The McCain campaign has declined to release his transcript, saying that his performance at the academy can only be viewed in the context of his larger military career.

"His record stands on its own," a McCain spokesman, Peter Feldman, said. "His time spent in college was part of the transformative years that made him who he was."



 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 01:54:42 PM
This thread is a great example of why prominent republicans are staying away from this issue.  Until definitive evidence is brought to the surface there's nothing here but speculative arguments that can potentially ruin a politician.   

Yeah, lets applaud a potus who hides his record and which would not allow him to get hired at so much as security at Burger King.  Fucking brilliant.   ::)  ::)

________________________ __________-

BTW - how does one get into Harvard law when they did not even get honors in college tobegin with?  

________________________ _______

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/obamas-years-at-columbia-are-a-mystery/85015/

Obama's Years at Columbia Are a Mystery
He Graduated Without Honors
By ROSS GOLDBERG, Special to the Sun | September 2, 2008


http://www.nysun.com/new-york/obamas-years-at-columbia-are-a-mystery/85015/

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Senator Obama's life story, from his humble roots, to his rise to Harvard Law School, to his passion as a community organizer in Chicago, has been at the center of his presidential campaign. But one chapter of the tale remains a blank — his education at Columbia College, a place he rarely speaks about and where few people seem to remember him.

Contributing to the mystery is the fact that nobody knows just how well Mr. Obama, unlike Senator McCain and most other major candidates for the past two elections, performed as a student.

The Obama campaign has refused to release his college transcript, despite an academic career that led him to Harvard Law School and, later, to a lecturing position at the University of Chicago. The shroud surrounding his experience at Columbia contrasts with that of other major party nominees since 2000, all whom have eventually released information about their college performance or seen it leaked to the public.

For better or worse, voters have taken an interest in candidates' grades since 1999, when the New Yorker published President Bush's transcript at Yale and disclosed that he was a C student. Mr. Bush had never portrayed himself as a brain, but many were surprised to learn the next year that his opponent, Vice President Gore, did not do much better at Harvard despite his intellectual image. When Senator Kerry's transcript surfaced, reporters found that he actually had a slightly lower average at Yale than Mr. Bush did.

Some political observers cite such disclosures as proof that candidates' intelligence cannot be judged solely by their political careers or the schools they attended. Grades provide a rare measure of intellect that is immune to political spin, proponents say.

"We like to pretend IQ doesn't matter, but it really does with a lot of jobs, including the presidency," a professor at Smith College who studies the effects of human intelligence on the economy, James Miller, said. "We can't trust the information that candidates give us, so it's important to look for objective data that they can't falsify or distort."

Mr. Miller acknowledged that Mr. Obama displayed academic achievement at Harvard, where he graduated magna cum laude and led the Harvard Law Review. Still, Mr. Miller said, he would like to see information about how Mr. Obama performed in various subjects at Columbia.

That view is not shared by other election observers, including some who have themselves indulged the public's interest in candidates' academic records. One of them is Geoffrey Kabaservice, a political historian who in 2000 published Senator Bradley's relatively low score of 485 on the verbal SAT. Mr. Bradley, a Rhodes Scholar who was a star basketball player at Princeton, was running for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"It's awfully hard to correlate anything, really, about a person on the basis of their grades," Mr. Kabaservice said, explaining that he published Mr. Bradley's score to highlight limitations in intelligence testing. He said he doubted that candidates' grades have affected the outcome of any recent presidential elections.

"For people who didn't like George W. Bush, for example, the grade aspect only confirmed what they thought about him," Mr. Kabaservice said. "And for everybody else, it made him more of a regular guy."

The Obama campaign declined to comment for this article and did not offer an explanation for why his transcript has not been released. But observers speculated that one reason might be the racially charged nature of the election. Mr. Obama has acknowledged benefiting from affirmative action in the past, and details about his academic performance might open him up to critics eager to accuse him, probably unfairly, of receiving a free ride, Mr. Kabaservice said.

"Anyone who is a minority and who's come up partially through the meritocracy — getting into good colleges, and subsequently good law schools — is going to come under suspicion that there was some kind of affirmative action boost," he said. "I suspect this is an area of discomfort for Obama."

In contrast with the rest of Mr. Obama's life story, little is known about his college experience. He attended Occidental College in Los Angeles for two years before transferring to Columbia in 1981. The move receives only a mention in Mr. Obama's 1995 memoir, "Dreams from My Father," which instead devotes that chapter to his impressions of race and class struggles in New York.

An article in a Columbia University publication, Columbia College Today, reported that Mr. Obama has portrayed Columbia as a period of buckling down following a troubled adolescence. He did not socialize much, he has said, instead spending a lot of time in the library, "like a monk." He has also stated that he was involved to some extent with the Black Students Organization.

Federal law limits the information that Columbia can release about Mr. Obama's time there. A spokesman for the university, Brian Connolly, confirmed that Mr. Obama spent two years at Columbia College and graduated in 1983 with a major in political science. He did not receive honors, Mr. Connolly said, though specific information on his grades is sealed. A program from the 1983 graduation ceremony lists him as a graduate.

More is known about Mr. McCain's experience at the United States Naval Academy, where he was a self-described troublemaker and graduated in the bottom 1% of his class. The McCain campaign has declined to release his transcript, saying that his performance at the academy can only be viewed in the context of his larger military career.

"His record stands on its own," a McCain spokesman, Peter Feldman, said. "His time spent in college was part of the transformative years that made him who he was."



 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: blacken700 on April 06, 2011, 01:54:52 PM
why do you keep digging :o


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 01:55:11 PM
You can approach it like Trump has.  He's not saying Obama is definitely not a US citizen, just that it seems strange that he won't release his birth certificate.  A lot of people agree with him, it is strange. 

Trump is not a politician.  He's a bored business mogul who likes to dabble in TV and now his new thing is politics.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 01:58:08 PM
Trump is not a politician.  He's a bored business mogul who likes to dabble in TV and now his new thing is politics.


 ::)  ::)

More diversion.   

Where is the long form BC signed by a doctor naming the hospital?   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 01:59:25 PM
Yeah, lets applaud a potus who hides his record and which would not allow him to get hired at so much as security at Burger King.  Fucking brilliant.   ::)  ::)

________________________ __________-

BTW - how does one get into Harvard law when they did not even get honors in college tobegin with?  

________________________ _______

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/obamas-years-at-columbia-are-a-mystery/85015/




Yeah classic 33333 technique on the boards:

-  Don't directly respond to the post, instead deflect towards another issue or argument that has little to do with the post he was responding too.

-  Cut and paste some article.







Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 02:01:05 PM
Ozmo - again for the 50th time - where is the long form BC signed by a state official naming the hospital of birth and doctor who delivered him?   

If you cant answer that - S T F U on this as you are clueless.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 02:02:19 PM

 ::)  ::)

More diversion.   



More diversion?  pot, kettle.


and then you do your typical shit:

Quote
Where is the long form BC signed by a doctor naming the hospital?  


WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH MY POST ABOUT TRUMP?


Additionally:

Yeah, lets applaud a potus who hides his record and which would not allow him to get hired at so much as security at Burger King.  Fucking brilliant.   ::)  ::)


:


WHERE THE FUCK DO I APPLAUD OBAMA IN MY POST????????????






Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 02:02:59 PM
ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS!


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 02:05:29 PM
Ozmo - again for the 50th time - where is the long form BC signed by a state official naming the hospital of birth and doctor who delivered him?   

If you cant answer that - S T F U on this as you are clueless.   

does every single US citizen have this long form?    ::)


What you are asking is a stupid fucking question, because i don't have access to those records. 

The Hawaiian government does.

You should be asking them, (them who are obviously part of your CT), not me.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 02:05:35 PM
ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS!

Like what?  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 02:06:38 PM
Like what?  

the post above it!

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Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 02:06:52 PM
does every single US citizen have this long form?    ::)


What you are asking is a stupid fucking question, because i don't have access to those records. 

The Hawaiian government does.

You should be asking them, (them who are obviously part of your CT), not me.

People who were allegedly born the same day as him do.    


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 02:07:36 PM

Yeah classic 33333 technique on the boards:

-  Don't directly respond to the post, instead deflect towards another issue or argument that has little to do with the post he was responding too.

-  Cut and paste some article.



bump


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 02:08:23 PM
People who were allegedly born the same day as him do.    

every person born on the same day and year as Obama has a long form?


Prove it.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 02:11:18 PM
every person born on the same day and year as Obama has a long form?


Prove it.

In Hawaii - FOR FUCKS SAKE I POSTED THE LONG FORM BC OF PEOPLE BORN THE SAME FUCKING DAY AS HE CLAIMS TO HAVE!   

Of course that is not enough for you.   Fucking joke.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 06, 2011, 02:11:51 PM
every person born on the same day and year as Obama has a long form?


Prove it.

Here's the thing.  Apparently the State of Hawaii is committing fraud anyway because the COLB is created using the records they have detailing the birth of Obama.  Those, according to 333, are fake.  So why would a LFBC from the same STATE be legit?  If one is fake, the other must be fake too.  Right 333?  Yes or no?

He won't answer this.  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 02:12:49 PM
In Hawaii - FOR FUCKS SAKE I POSTED THE LONG FORM BC OF PEOPLE BORN THE SAME FUCKING DAY AS HE CLAIMS TO HAVE!   

Of course that is not enough for you.   Fucking joke.   

Does every one born in Hawaii on that day have a long form????????????


prove it.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 02:13:21 PM
More diversion?  pot, kettle.


and then you do your typical shit:


WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH MY POST ABOUT TRUMP?


Additionally:
:


WHERE THE FUCK DO I APPLAUD OBAMA IN MY POST????????????






Answer my questions!


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 02:14:25 PM
Here's the thing.  Apparently the State of Hawaii is committing fraud anyway because the COLB is created using the records they have detailing the birth of Obama.  Those, according to 333, are fake.  So why would a LFBC from the same STATE be legit?  If one is fake, the other must be fake too.  Right 333?  Yes or no?

He won't answer this.  

No he won't answer it, what he'll do is this:


Yeah classic 33333 technique on the boards:

-  Don't directly respond to the post, instead deflect towards another issue or argument that has little to do with the post he was responding too.

-  Cut and paste some article.








Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 02:18:08 PM
Yeah ok Ozmo - whatever.  I only posted the long form BC  of the people born on the same day as Obama with the signed doc report naming the hospital etc, that are in almost next to exact sequence as his claimed number - yet he does not have a long form BC.   ::)  ::)

Hawaii claims they never lost any records, so where the fuck is it and why wont barry release it?   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 06, 2011, 02:19:53 PM
there were 4 formats of that document.  they came in from diff places.  so it's understandable they wouldn't look the same.

this isn't a winning point - and i'm a birther too lol.......

focus on the SS, and the african newspaper articles saying he was kenyan born.  Surely he did an interview with them at some point?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 02:20:14 PM
yeah, just doing my 3333 imitation
  

Where's the long form, why can't he spend $10?

http://mises.org/daily/5189/Rebecca-Blacks-Friday-A-Libertarian-Allegory (http://mises.org/daily/5189/Rebecca-Blacks-Friday-A-Libertarian-Allegory)

The astonishing popularity of Rebecca Black's "Friday" video — which became the YouTube meme of all memes in the course of a wild six weeks — has mystified many critics.

Was it shared and watched so wildly because it was so bad? Certainly the overwhelming judgement on the part of viewers is that it is atrocious — and yet it is hard to know what that means, since 85 million people not only watched the video but also downloaded the song, bought the ring tone, and devoured every available bit of news about the singer and the song.

Using the principle of "demonstrated preference," this music video ranks as the most popular in human history.

Perhaps it is the digital-age version of Mel Brooks's smash Broadway play The Producers, a story about an attempt to write a play so bad that it flops on the first night. But, in Brooks's hilarious telling, the results were the opposite: the play was so bad that it was brilliant, and it became a smash success, however inadvertently.

Lovers of liberty are often drawn to such scenarios because they highlight the unknowability of the future, the unpredictability of human choice, and the way in which the intentions of the planners (in this case, the producers and writers) are easily upended by consumer choice, which is the driving force of economic progress.

The Producers-like irony is deepened in the case of Black's "Friday" video because it was not intended as a parody or an attempt to create a flop. That makes it all the more brilliant as a a piece of viral art. It somehow captured an archetype of bubblegum pop but with innocence and the absence of an edge.

Kids say it is awful and they hate it. They do not, despite what they say. Teens often claim to hate what they really love — as only a passing familiarity with teen romance patterns illustrates. The girl who can't stop talking about the guy she hates is surely protesting too much.

Musically, the song wouldn't seem to offer that much, but I would point out that its word play is not entirely conventional. The repeated placement of a three-syllable word "partying" into a duple metric creates some off-accent downbeats that are not entirely intuitive.

Far more significant is the underlying celebration of liberation that the day Friday represents. The kids featured in the video are of junior-high age, a time when adulthood is beginning to dawn and, with it, the realization of the captive state that the public school represents.

From the time that children are first institutionalized in these tax-funded cement structures, they are told the rules. Show up, obey the rules, accept the grades your are given, and never even think of escaping until you hear the bell. If you do escape, even peacefully of your own choice, you will be declared "truant," which is the intentional and unauthorized absence from compulsory school.

This prison-like environment runs from Monday through Friday, from 8 a.m. to late afternoon, for at least ten years of every child's life. It's been called the "twelve-year sentence" for good reason. At some point, every kid in public school gains consciousness of the strange reality. You can acquiesce as the civic order demands, or you can protest and be declared a bum and a loser by society.

"Friday" beautifully illustrates the sheer banality of a life spent in this prison-like system, and the prospect of liberation that the weekend means. Partying, in this case, is just another word for freedom from state authority.
"Partying, in this case, is just another word for freedom from state authority."

The largest segment of the video then deals with what this window of liberty, the weekend, means in the life of someone otherwise ensnared in a thicket of statism. Keep in mind here that the celebration of Friday in this context means more than it would for a worker in a factory, for example: for the worker is free to come and go, to apply for a job or quit, to negotiate terms of a contract, or whatever. All of this is denied to the kid in public school.

In the video, the rush to comply and conform with the system begins with the main character in the morning, when the drill begins with waking up and preparing to go. She eats cereal for breakfast — a bit of trivia that one would hardly expect in a pop song but a first sign that the topic is reality-based and not idyllic or romanticized.

And where is she headed? To catch the official, tax-funded school bus, which, though it is not shown, we know is painted yellow today just as it has been from time immemorial since there is never realy progress or change in the state-run system. The tax-fueled machine comes to your door to snatch you away from home, where you are loved and valued, in order to transport you to the cement structure that teaches you about the glory of fitting in and believing what you are supposed to believe.

But then the protagonist experiences a foreshadowing of the liberation at hand. Arriving before the school bus is a car with "my friends." They are smiling and inviting her to join them on the ride. And it is in this context that she confronts that glorious institution that is otherwise denied to her and every student in government school: human choice.

It might as first seem like a trivial choice: whether to sit in the front seat or the back seat. But the point is not the choice set; the point is the opportunity to exercise some degree of human volition, to use one's own brain to control one's own body ("gotta make my mind up") and live with the consequences of that choice. It is a similar situation to anyone who has found himself let out of prison. These people will report the sense of elation that they feel in even the smallest opportunity to make a choice on their own.

At this moment of choice, note that the melody departs from its single-note, drill-like recitation to suddenly rise up a fifth, musical interval that has traditionally be used as a trumpet-like announcement. And once surrounded by friends of her own choosing, the imaginings of Friday's end become more real, and thus does the melody become more complex and celebratory, exploring a great range of musical colors and rhythms.

The protagonist returns, again and again, to the profound meaning behind the seemingly trivial choice to sit in one seat or another. Again, it is not the choice set that matters here but the reality of choice itself that is otherwise denied to her and all her friends in the state-run system.

The remainder of the video features scenes of "partying," which turns out not to be about drugs or drinking but merely hanging around in yards and milling about with friends. There is no attempt here to manufacture a predetermined order, no standing in lines or obeying some central plan. Rather, the beauty is seen in the pure fact of voluntary human association, with kids milling around and joining this group or that, wearing clothes of their own choosing and talking with friends of their own choosing.

Even the recitation of the days of week — a portion of the video that has been most subjected to ridicule — underscores the theme of captivity and liberation. What is there to do in prison but count the days? In story and legend, the prisoner watches the light outside and make tick marks on the wall to mark the passage of time. So it is with this protagonist, who uses calendar pages to do the same.

When she finally announces, elatedly, that "I don't want the weekend to end," she is expressing more than just the desire to be permanently relieved of educational tasks; it is a cry for the civic order to recognize the human right of liberty itself. The video ends with that hope that there will be no return to the twelve-year sentence but rather that "partying" could become a permanent state of being, not just for her but for everyone.

$20 $18

To be sure, I'm not arguing that all of this was overtly intended by the songwriter or the singer. The point, rather, is that the plight, the hopes, and the dreams that are reflected in this video, however inadvertently, tap into a sensibility and a longing of a generation for a certain kind of freedom from a system that has ensnared them against their will. This might be the driving force of its popularity — and precisely why something that people claim not to like is evidently so loved.

A child-like dream of Friday and what it represents for kids trapped in public school, kids who are transported around on tax-funded buses and ordered around by tax-funded propagandists for the state, is a plausible allegory for the plight of all people imprisoned in state-controlled environments.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 06, 2011, 02:21:44 PM
Yeah ok Ozmo - whatever.  I only posted the long form BC  of the people born on the same day as Obama with the signed doc report naming the hospital etc, that are in almost next to exact sequence as his claimed number - yet he does not have a long form BC.   ::)  ::)

Hawaii claims they never lost any records, so where the fuck is it and why wont barry release it?   

in his file under 'notes'   ;)

he released what the state of hawaii releases as a birth ceritificate.  Have you not been keeping up?  Any hawaiian gets a COLB and has done since 2001.  The reason it has changed from 1961 LFBC's is simple.  “The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models,” she said.

So it's the same for EVERYONE not just Obama.  Wow mass conspiracy by the whole state!

So answer the questions...


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 02:22:25 PM
Where is the long form BC signed by a doc showing thehispotal and date of birth like those in the exact sequene at to his COLB who have released a long form BC?  



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 06, 2011, 02:23:04 PM
yeah, just doing my 3333 imitation
  

Where's the long form, why can't he spend $10?

http://mises.org/daily/5189/Rebecca-Blacks-Friday-A-Libertarian-Allegory (http://mises.org/daily/5189/Rebecca-Blacks-Friday-A-Libertarian-Allegory)

The astonishing popularity of Rebecca Black's "Friday" video — which became the YouTube meme of all memes in the course of a wild six weeks — has mystified many critics.

Was it shared and watched so wildly because it was so bad? Certainly the overwhelming judgement on the part of viewers is that it is atrocious — and yet it is hard to know what that means, since 85 million people not only watched the video but also downloaded the song, bought the ring tone, and devoured every available bit of news about the singer and the song.

Using the principle of "demonstrated preference," this music video ranks as the most popular in human history.

Perhaps it is the digital-age version of Mel Brooks's smash Broadway play The Producers, a story about an attempt to write a play so bad that it flops on the first night. But, in Brooks's hilarious telling, the results were the opposite: the play was so bad that it was brilliant, and it became a smash success, however inadvertently.

Lovers of liberty are often drawn to such scenarios because they highlight the unknowability of the future, the unpredictability of human choice, and the way in which the intentions of the planners (in this case, the producers and writers) are easily upended by consumer choice, which is the driving force of economic progress.

The Producers-like irony is deepened in the case of Black's "Friday" video because it was not intended as a parody or an attempt to create a flop. That makes it all the more brilliant as a a piece of viral art. It somehow captured an archetype of bubblegum pop but with innocence and the absence of an edge.

Kids say it is awful and they hate it. They do not, despite what they say. Teens often claim to hate what they really love — as only a passing familiarity with teen romance patterns illustrates. The girl who can't stop talking about the guy she hates is surely protesting too much.

Musically, the song wouldn't seem to offer that much, but I would point out that its word play is not entirely conventional. The repeated placement of a three-syllable word "partying" into a duple metric creates some off-accent downbeats that are not entirely intuitive.

Far more significant is the underlying celebration of liberation that the day Friday represents. The kids featured in the video are of junior-high age, a time when adulthood is beginning to dawn and, with it, the realization of the captive state that the public school represents.

From the time that children are first institutionalized in these tax-funded cement structures, they are told the rules. Show up, obey the rules, accept the grades your are given, and never even think of escaping until you hear the bell. If you do escape, even peacefully of your own choice, you will be declared "truant," which is the intentional and unauthorized absence from compulsory school.

This prison-like environment runs from Monday through Friday, from 8 a.m. to late afternoon, for at least ten years of every child's life. It's been called the "twelve-year sentence" for good reason. At some point, every kid in public school gains consciousness of the strange reality. You can acquiesce as the civic order demands, or you can protest and be declared a bum and a loser by society.

"Friday" beautifully illustrates the sheer banality of a life spent in this prison-like system, and the prospect of liberation that the weekend means. Partying, in this case, is just another word for freedom from state authority.
"Partying, in this case, is just another word for freedom from state authority."

The largest segment of the video then deals with what this window of liberty, the weekend, means in the life of someone otherwise ensnared in a thicket of statism. Keep in mind here that the celebration of Friday in this context means more than it would for a worker in a factory, for example: for the worker is free to come and go, to apply for a job or quit, to negotiate terms of a contract, or whatever. All of this is denied to the kid in public school.

In the video, the rush to comply and conform with the system begins with the main character in the morning, when the drill begins with waking up and preparing to go. She eats cereal for breakfast — a bit of trivia that one would hardly expect in a pop song but a first sign that the topic is reality-based and not idyllic or romanticized.

And where is she headed? To catch the official, tax-funded school bus, which, though it is not shown, we know is painted yellow today just as it has been from time immemorial since there is never realy progress or change in the state-run system. The tax-fueled machine comes to your door to snatch you away from home, where you are loved and valued, in order to transport you to the cement structure that teaches you about the glory of fitting in and believing what you are supposed to believe.

But then the protagonist experiences a foreshadowing of the liberation at hand. Arriving before the school bus is a car with "my friends." They are smiling and inviting her to join them on the ride. And it is in this context that she confronts that glorious institution that is otherwise denied to her and every student in government school: human choice.

It might as first seem like a trivial choice: whether to sit in the front seat or the back seat. But the point is not the choice set; the point is the opportunity to exercise some degree of human volition, to use one's own brain to control one's own body ("gotta make my mind up") and live with the consequences of that choice. It is a similar situation to anyone who has found himself let out of prison. These people will report the sense of elation that they feel in even the smallest opportunity to make a choice on their own.

At this moment of choice, note that the melody departs from its single-note, drill-like recitation to suddenly rise up a fifth, musical interval that has traditionally be used as a trumpet-like announcement. And once surrounded by friends of her own choosing, the imaginings of Friday's end become more real, and thus does the melody become more complex and celebratory, exploring a great range of musical colors and rhythms.

The protagonist returns, again and again, to the profound meaning behind the seemingly trivial choice to sit in one seat or another. Again, it is not the choice set that matters here but the reality of choice itself that is otherwise denied to her and all her friends in the state-run system.

The remainder of the video features scenes of "partying," which turns out not to be about drugs or drinking but merely hanging around in yards and milling about with friends. There is no attempt here to manufacture a predetermined order, no standing in lines or obeying some central plan. Rather, the beauty is seen in the pure fact of voluntary human association, with kids milling around and joining this group or that, wearing clothes of their own choosing and talking with friends of their own choosing.

Even the recitation of the days of week — a portion of the video that has been most subjected to ridicule — underscores the theme of captivity and liberation. What is there to do in prison but count the days? In story and legend, the prisoner watches the light outside and make tick marks on the wall to mark the passage of time. So it is with this protagonist, who uses calendar pages to do the same.

When she finally announces, elatedly, that "I don't want the weekend to end," she is expressing more than just the desire to be permanently relieved of educational tasks; it is a cry for the civic order to recognize the human right of liberty itself. The video ends with that hope that there will be no return to the twelve-year sentence but rather that "partying" could become a permanent state of being, not just for her but for everyone.

$20 $18

To be sure, I'm not arguing that all of this was overtly intended by the songwriter or the singer. The point, rather, is that the plight, the hopes, and the dreams that are reflected in this video, however inadvertently, tap into a sensibility and a longing of a generation for a certain kind of freedom from a system that has ensnared them against their will. This might be the driving force of its popularity — and precisely why something that people claim not to like is evidently so loved.

A child-like dream of Friday and what it represents for kids trapped in public school, kids who are transported around on tax-funded buses and ordered around by tax-funded propagandists for the state, is a plausible allegory for the plight of all people imprisoned in state-controlled environments.

I would buy the latest song by maddoff/vandersloot over rebecca blacks she wasn't even born here!


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 02:23:52 PM
Yeah ok Ozmo - whatever.  I only posted the long form BC  of the people born on the same day as Obama with the signed doc report naming the hospital etc, that are in almost next to exact sequence as his claimed number - yet he does not have a long form BC.   ::)  ::)

Hawaii claims they never lost any records, so where the fuck is it and why wont barry release it?   


doing more 3333, imitations......


Where is everyone's long form born in 1961???


Why are you applauding these people?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-sigman/in-wacky-gop-presidential_b_845492.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-sigman/in-wacky-gop-presidential_b_845492.html)

In Wacky GOP Presidential Field, the Donald Trumps the Shark

Donald Trump's transparently idiotic statements about President Obama's birth certificate and other matters haven't made Rupert Murdoch's New York Post shy about touting the billionaire's "suddenly surging presidential chances."

Others in the media are also taking Trump's presidential candidacy seriously, and the man whose contribution to the national discourse begins and ends with the words "You're fired" just finished second behind home-court fave Mitt Romney in a new New Hampshire poll. So it's worth asking if the presence of a knucklehead is simply necessary to the political process -- not because Americans are stupid, but because the media can't tolerate the gravitas of politics -- all that talk of foreign policy and budgets and the Constitution unleavened by pure insanity or the possibility of an upset.

Until recently, Sarah Palin was clearly the 2012 designated knucklehead. Despite her lack of even minimal qualifications, Chris Matthews was among the many Palin-watchers hyping her purported "path to the nomination."

Palin was hardly the first empty pantsuit to get up close and dangerous with the most powerful job in the world -- the 2000 Republican primary field included loopy magazine publisher Steve Forbes, activist/certifiable lunatic Alan Keyes and Dan "I deserve respect for the things I didn't do" Quayle, the proto-Palin.

As Palin's bonehead statements sent her numbers tumbling faster than her champion Bill Kristol could walk back his praise, commentators focused on Newt Gingrich. He's been working overtime contradicting himself on Libya and other issues with the skill of an unprepared high school debater.

No matter how lame Gingrich gets, commentators continue to praise him with faint blame. Newt is an "idea man," they say, without giving specific examples, leaving us on our own to mine the depths of such Gingrich-isms as, "The underlying thematics are beginning to be universalizable in a way that has taken years of work."

Michele Bachmann -- whose grasp of the rudiments of American history is tenuous at best -- may be as far as one can get from presidential timber, but the New Republic's Ed Kilgore, the Telegraph's Alex Spillius and MSNBC's Cenk Uygur are among the pundits talking up her chances in the Republican race.

And then there's Trump. Towering over the field in terms of pure self-aggrandizement, he's inevitably introduced as a "genius businessman" or a "brilliant negotiator." It came as no surprise, then, that in the first in a series of regular spots on Fox and Friends, the mogul praised his own three-night Trump-fest on last week's Fox show The O'Reilly Factor. Leaving content in the dust, meta-media website Mediaite -- which also found it newsworthy to feature the "story" that Bill Clinton has rejected "birther claims" -- noted that even Fox's own Gretchen Carlson "couldn't help but let out a chuckle at Trump's unabashed [self]-promotion."

The spectacle of Donald "Trumping the shark" is so post-ironic that mere irony doesn't stand a chance. When Bill Ayers joked that he, not Obama, wrote the actually brilliant book Dreams of My Father, Trump displayed the audacity of dope: he took the joke seriously.

"They say Dreams of My Father was genius and they give Obama full credit," he told conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham, "and now it's coming out that Bill Ayers wrote it -- that's what started him on his road where he became president."

With geniuses like Trump, who needs idiots?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 02:24:05 PM
in his file under 'notes'   ;)

he released what the state of hawaii releases as a birth ceritificate.  Have you not been keeping up?  Any hawaiian gets a COLB and has done since 2001.  The reason it has changed from 1961 LFBC's is simple.  “The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models,” she said.

So it's the same for EVERYONE not just Obama.  Wow mass conspiracy by the whole state!

So answer the questions...

Funny - the people in direct sequence to him somehow released their long form BC.  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 02:25:20 PM
I want to see every persons long form born in 1961 or they should deported!


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 02:25:55 PM
Obama allegedly wrote Dreams in 1995 and in that book he caimed he had a BC.   Which was it?   Couldnt be the 2007 nonsense they created corect?  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 06, 2011, 02:26:28 PM
I want to see every persons long form born in 1961 or they should deported!

Perhaps 333 should post his to prove he is American.  For all we know he's an illegal.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 02:26:45 PM
I would buy the latest song by maddoff/vandersloot over rebecca blacks she wasn't even born here!

lol


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 06, 2011, 02:27:34 PM
Obama allegedly wrote Dreams in 1995 and in that book he caimed he had a BC.   Which was it?   Couldnt be the 2007 nonsense they created corect?  

He probably does have a LFBC doesn't mean he has to show you it.  The state has it on file, they used it to create a COLB for him to prove his place of birth.  

Can you prove they don't have the LFBC in the file?  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 02:28:43 PM
Obama allegedly wrote Dreams in 1995 and in that book he caimed he had a BC.   Which was it?   Couldnt be the 2007 nonsense they created corect?  

Why are you applauding the beheading of 8 UN workers?


Cut and paste article here.   ::)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 02:29:40 PM
He probably does have a LFBC doesn't mean he has to show you it.  The state has it on file, they used it to create a COLB for him to prove his place of birth.  

Can you prove they don't have the LFBC in the file?  


why doesn't he just spend 10 dollars for 3333 satisfaction?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 06, 2011, 02:31:05 PM

why doesn't he just spend 10 dollars for 3333 satisfaction?

Because he lurks here and enjoys the meltdown.  ;D


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 02:32:40 PM
Perhaps 333 should post his to prove he is American.  For all we know he's an illegal.

I can release a long form BC, prove only using one SS my whole life, release my assport, myLSAT, my records, client client, school transcripts, etc within afew hours if need be.  Funny Obama cant. 


Obama could not get a job with mall security with his record.     


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 02:33:58 PM
He probably does have a LFBC doesn't mean he has to show you it.  The state has it on file, they used it to create a COLB for him to prove his place of birth.  

Can you prove they don't have the LFBC in the file?  

Funny because the race of the father on the COLB is listed as "African" when that was not even an option or choice in 1961. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 06, 2011, 02:34:48 PM
Funny because the race of the father on the COLB is listed as "African" when that was not even an option or choice in 1961. 

Funny because - “The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models,” she said. Hawaiian State official.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 06, 2011, 02:35:46 PM
you think is someone born in the south had 'negro' on their original certificate would have it on a newer requested copy?  Didn't think so. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 02:38:00 PM
you think is someone born in the south had 'negro' on their original certificate would have it on a newer requested copy?  Didn't think so. 

He wasnt born in the south.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 06, 2011, 02:41:41 PM
He wasnt born in the south.   

It's an example.  Rules change, regulations change.  Already been explained.   8)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 06, 2011, 02:43:07 PM
It's an example.  Rules change, regulations change.  Already been explained.   8)

Where's the long form?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 02:44:01 PM
It's an example.  Rules change, regulations change.  Already been explained.   8)

Tha's funny because Obama's lawyers in court never offered that explaination for the discrepancy and Fukino never said that the race issue or classification was anexample of what you are saying.  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 06, 2011, 02:44:40 PM
Where's the long form?

Hahaha How long does it have to be?  12 inches?  I think 333 is looking for something else LFBC - Long Form Black Cock?  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 06, 2011, 02:45:32 PM
Tha's funny because Obama's lawyers in court never offered that explaination for the discrepancy and Fukino never said that the race issue or classification was anexample of what you are saying.  

Didn't need to.  Times change, so do forms.  They modernize and streamline.  Welcome to the world of moving forward.  We can't all be stuck in 1961 for ever. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 02:48:57 PM
Didn't need to.  Times change, so do forms.  They modernize and streamline.  Welcome to the world of moving forward.  We can't all be stuck in 1961 for ever. 

 ::)  ::)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: andreisdaman on April 06, 2011, 04:10:19 PM
Hahaha How long does it have to be?  12 inches?  I think 333 is looking for something else LFBC - Long Form Black Cock?  

I mentioned this to him already....I think this is the case..there's some black guy in his neighborhood that he is after but the guy won't give him the time of day...so he misdirects his aggression toward Obama


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 05:23:46 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/04/06/trump_expresses_real_doubts_about_obamas_birthplace.html

The Latest Politics, News & Election Videos

Trump Expresses "Real Doubts" About Obama's Birthplace
 
In an interview set to air on Thursday's "Today Show," Donald Trump now reveals he has "real doubts" if President Obama was born in the United States. Trump said "three weeks ago" he thought differently, now he has changed his mind.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 06:25:17 PM
Trump’s Hawaii Investigation Wednesday, April 6, 2011
« Previous Post
Oval Office Showdown
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Tells “Today” he has people in the Aloha State conducting on-the-ground research into the president’s birthplace.


MEREDITH VIEIRA:
So, is the time right now for you?

DONALD TRUMP:
Well, the time certainly is right. We’re a laughing stock as a country throughout the world. We’re being taken advantage of by other countries

***

MEREDITH VIEIRA:
If you were President, would keep a military presence in Iraq indefinitely.

DONALD TRUMP:
Let me just say something. There’s nobody more militaristic than me, but it’s also called attack the right target. Iran is going to take over Iraq, because we have de-neutered Iraq, you know that, in terms of their military. They’re gonna take them over very quickly as soon as we leave. If that’s gonna happen, they’re gonna take over the oil fields. The second biggest oil fields in the world. And if that’s gonna happen, I say we take over the oil fields…I would take over the oil fields, because otherwise, Iran is gonna take over the second biggest oil fields in the world. I would absolutely, without question, not leave that section of that country. I would take the oil. To the victor belong the spoils. You know, in the old days, you’d have a war. And you’d be in there. And you’d win. And you’d take over the country. Whether it’s oil or gold or whatever. You take over the country.

MEREDITH VIEIRA:
Okay. Are you saying if you were President, you would take us out of Afghanistan?

DONALD TRUMP:

Well, nothing’s simple. Because I don’t believe in foot soldiers. They get blown up on streets. But I do believe in airplanes that are 50,000 feet up. And when we see through intelligence what’s going on, knock the hell out. Oh, by the way, I’m much more militaristic than Obama. He got the Nobel Peace Prize, but, you know, I think they’re probably rethinking that one, every time he seizes a country. The problem is he seizes countries, but he doesn’t win….I’m not gonna have soldiers walking down on the street and get blown up and get shot at by snipers and killed, so we have to call the parents and say, "Your son was just killed on a street in Afghanistan." But those people will have a lot more problems with me than they’re having right now. But I do it through the air and we’re not gonna have casualties.

***

MEREDITH VIEIRA:
Do you think given all the issues that this country is facing that this is something that resonates with the public? That they care about this?

DONALD TRUMP:
The Constitution of the United States…great document. And you agree with it?

MEREDITH VIEIRA:
Yeah, sure.

DONALD TRUMP:
It says you have to be born in this country. Essential. Have to be born in this country, okay? If he wasn’t born in this country, he has conned the whole world.

MEREDITH VIEIRA:
But you’re saying it’s a con. That’s what you’re saying.

DONALD TRUMP:
I’m not saying anything. I’m saying--

MEREDITH VIEIRA:
Sure you are.

DONALD TRUMP:
I am saying I want to see the birth certificate. It’s very simple. I want to see the birth certificate. How come his own family doesn’t know which hospital he was born in? How come-- forget about birth certificates. Let’s say there’s no birth certificate. How come in the hospital itself, okay? This is one of the…in the hospital itself, there’s no records of his birth. In other words, it doesn’t say how much they paid, where is the doctor, here’s your room bill. You know, all the

MEREDITH VIEIRA:
You’ve been privy to all of this to know this?

DONALD TRUMP:
Well, I have people that actually have been studying it and they cannot believe what they’re talking.

MEREDITH VIEIRA:
You have people now out there searching-- I mean, in Hawaii?

DONALD TRUMP:
Absolutely. And they cannot believe what they’re finding. And I’m serious--

***

MEREDITH VIERA:
You criticized Obama quite a bit in this interview and in the past. What do you think he has done well?

DONALD TRUMP:

I think the thing that he did best of all, is get elected. Get elected. He ran an unbelievable campaign although, in the end, Hillary was beating him in every state. It was pretty-- I mean, by the end, I think people were maybe getting wise. And, you have to understand, I want Obama to do well. I don't dislike him. I never met him….

If I had my choice of having Obama do great as a president, and do a really great job for this country, and not running, as opposed to running - I'd prefer that he did a great job. I love this country. But, this country is going to hell.

***

MEREDITH VIERA:
Among those potential Republican candidates, can you point to any of them and say, "That person would be a fine president"?

DONALD TRUMP:
Well, you know, it's funny. They've all treated me so nicely. They've been so great… I'm not gonna go on any individual, but I will tell you I understand them. I know many of them…

I know this. I will be better than anybody. I will do the best job. If I decide to run, I will do the best job. I will be best for this country. And, you may say, "Oh, gee, that doesn't sound like George Washington." Well, guess what? Before George Washington ran, he didn't sound like George Washington either. I will be and do a great job, if I run and if I win.


http://nation.foxnews.com/donald-trump/2011/04/06/trump-i-have-investigators-hawaiithey-cannot-believe-what-theyre-finding


________________________ __________________


Awesome!   Donald taking out the trash.  Getting to the bottom of bama's scam on the public. 



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: MB on April 06, 2011, 06:42:19 PM
Didn't need to.  Times change, so do forms.  They modernize and streamline.  Welcome to the world of moving forward.  We can't all be stuck in 1961 for ever. 
Birth certificates don't change.  Why would you so easily accept that he has a long form birth certificate?  Have you seen it?  We're shown a phony looking COLB and know for a fact that he used multiple social security numbers.  Something smells rotten here. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 06:47:25 PM
Birth certificates don't change.  Why would you so easily accept that he has a long form birth certificate?  Have you seen it?  We're shown a phony looking COLB and know for a fact that he used multiple social security numbers.  Something smells rotten here. 

Not to Team Kneepad.   Its perfectly normal to hide everything from public, use 16 social security numbers, have a phoney Selective Service Registration ticket, use alias, have no record of name changes or adoptions.  etc.   Dont we all have relatives like that?   ::)  ::)  ::)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 06, 2011, 06:49:02 PM
Birth certificates don't change.  Why would you so easily accept that he has a long form birth certificate?  Have you seen it?  We're shown a phony looking COLB and know for a fact that he used multiple social security numbers.  Something smells rotten here. 

That's not true... Birth Certificates do change.

If I go get a birth certificate for myself from the commonwealth of virginia right now... It does not look like the birth certificate from 1950.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 06:55:01 PM
That's not true... Birth Certificates do change.

If I go get a birth certificate for myself from the commonwealth of virginia right now... It does not look like the birth certificate from 1950.

Yes, but the original is on file with raised seal and signed by a doc or govt officer certying it.  What bama presented is pure nonsense. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 06, 2011, 07:09:11 PM
Yes, but the original is on file with raised seal and signed by a doc or govt officer certying it.  What bama presented is pure nonsense. 

You know this for a fact?

You're admitting that there is a birth certificate then?

The Certificate of live birth is a valid form in regards to getting a social security card and a job... How is it "nonsense". That form and a SS card will allow you to fill out a W-4 form at a job.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 07:15:41 PM
You know this for a fact?

You're admitting that there is a birth certificate then?

The Certificate of live birth is a valid form in regards to getting a social security card and a job... How is it "nonsense". That form and a SS card will allow you to fill out a W-4 form at a job.

No, I was speaking of your BC. 

Bama said in Dreams From my Father, allegedly written in 1995 he had a BC.  However, he released a COLB that was created in 2007 for the campaign.  Where is the one he was referring to in dreams and why wont he release it? 


Personally I believe a long form does exist but it shoes a different father or none at all. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 07:18:03 PM

Donald Trump Giving Birther To Obama Secretiveness
Bayou Buzz News ^ | April 6, 2011 | Jeff Crouere




Billionaire businessman Donald Trump has been on a roll the past few weeks. While the mainstream news media has dismissed the Obama birth certificate issue, Trump has embraced it and questioned why Obama will not release his long form birth certificate. While most of the other GOP presidential candidates offer to work with China in a cooperative manner, Trump maintains the U.S. needs to get tough and slap a massive 25 percent tariff on their products. On the Fox News “O’Reilly” show, Trump promised to withdraw American troops from any Middle Eastern country that does not sell oil to the U.S. at discounted prices.

While he is considering the race, he is garnering more media attention than all of the other potential candidates combined. As a result, he is improving his standing in the polls. In the latest Public Policy poll of likely GOP voters in New Hampshire, Trumps runs a strong second to Mitt Romney. The result surprised the pollsters, but shows that Trump is striking a chord with the base of the Republican Party.

Although he is gaining traction with the voters, Trump’s bold ideas are not sitting well with the media elite. On the “O’Reilly” program, Fox News, analyst Brit Hume claimed that Trump was too controversial and that the GOP would be better suited to find a candidate that would keep the focus on Obama. Hume is a typical Republican insider who wants the party to nominate a “safe” candidate who will not bring up controversial issues like Obama’s birth certificate. In contrast, most GOP voters are ready for a non-traditional candidate who will take the fight directly to Obama.

In the 2012 election, Obama will have $1 billion to spend. The only candidate who can match him dollar for dollar is Donald Trump. Trump is also very comfortable on television and is a very good communicator. As a smart and successful businessman, he can easily debate Obama on the issues.

Unlike Obama, Trump has a very public track record. While much of his personal life has been controversial and he has been married several times, at least his background is available to anyone who wants to see it. In contrast, Obama is the real mystery man, even after 27 months in the Oval Office. According to World Net Daily, “besides Obama's actual birth documentation, the president has refused to release his Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, Illinois State Bar Association records, baptism records and his adoption records.”

It is shocking that the mainstream news media has been so lax in their background checks of Barack Obama. No GOP President would be allowed such kid glove media treatment. The media demands that Republican candidates release all of their personal information, claiming that it’s the “public’s right to know.” Of course, in the case of Obama, the mainstream news media has been strangely silent.

At least Trump is pushing an issue that is of interest to Americans who continue to question the official birth story of Barack Obama. By highlighting an issue that other GOP presidential contenders will not touch, Trump is displaying both courage and keen political instincts.

This issue has helped to separate Trump from many of his competitors and earned him high praise from conservative tea party activists. As each day passes, it seems more and more likely that Trump will not only run for President, but also that he will be a force to be reckoned with in the 2012 presidential race.



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Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 06, 2011, 07:23:33 PM
No, I was speaking of your BC. 

Bama said in Dreams From my Father, allegedly written in 1995 he had a BC.  However, he released a COLB that was created in 2007 for the campaign.  Where is the one he was referring to in dreams and why wont he release it? 


Personally I believe a long form does exist but it shoes a different father or none at all. 

So no father makes him still a US naturalized citizen, which again, makes the whole point ridiculously stupid.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 07:32:25 PM
So no father makes him still a US naturalized citizen, which again, makes the whole point ridiculously stupid.

No, but there is an issue that he rejected hisd citizenship in order to enroll in school in indonesia since they only allow indonesian citizens to enroll in their schools at thew time.   Lolo Sotero allegeldy adopted obama in order to get him citizenship in indonesia.  So the issue might be that they changed the birtch certificate later.   

There is also an issue that there was a law requiring the parents to have been residents for 10 years or some shit before qualifiyng as a citizen.  FarRightLooney posted on this. 

I know everyone wants this to go away, but its not because there are serious issues not resolved and calling a lot into question.

16 SS numbers?  Come on, that is more than bizarre. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 06, 2011, 07:45:25 PM
No, but there is an issue that he rejected hisd citizenship in order to enroll in school in indonesia since they only allow indonesian citizens to enroll in their schools at thew time.   Lolo Sotero allegeldy adopted obama in order to get him citizenship in indonesia.  So the issue might be that they changed the birtch certificate later.   

There is also an issue that there was a law requiring the parents to have been residents for 10 years or some shit before qualifiyng as a citizen.  FarRightLooney posted on this. 

I know everyone wants this to go away, but its not because there are serious issues not resolved and calling a lot into question.

16 SS numbers?  Come on, that is more than bizarre. 

It is gonna go away because only the most CT people can be on board with this.

You're still alleging a HUGE conspiracy with zero proof of it... Just doesn't fly man.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 07:50:35 PM
It is gonna go away because only the most CT people can be on board with this.

You're still alleging a HUGE conspiracy with zero proof of it... Just doesn't fly man.

I'm not alleging a CT.  Obama refuses to release his records, any and all of them. 

________________________ _______________________-

Original, vault copy birth certificate: Not released (attorney's fees are estimated to be up to about $2 MILLION now, instead of HI birth certificate fee of under $20 bucks)

Certification of Live Birth: Released: Document Experts state it is a FORGERY
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/11/22/obamas_born_conspiracy_obamas_bogus_birth_certificate_exposed!.thtml

Obama/Dunham marriage license: Not released (if one exists)

Obama/Dunham divorce: Not released (discovered by independent investigators)

Kindergarten records: Not released; School claims records are"LOST" Records lost (this is a big one -- see here -- read two frames)

Soetoro/Dunham marriage license: Not released

Soetoro adoption records: Not released

Fransiskus Assisi School  School application: Not released (discovered by independent investigators) Click here for proof/details.

Punahou School records: Not released

Soetoro/Dunham divorce: Not released (discovered by independent investigators) http://orlytaitzesq.com/drorlytaitzesq/documentation/SOETORODIVORCE.pdf

Selective Service Registration: Not released (Obtained via Freedom of information act request; received FORGERY?)

Occidental College records: Not released

Passport: Not released, records scrubbed by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.

Possible to have U.S. Passport without providing birth certificate, click here for more details.

Columbia College records: Not released

Columbia thesis; "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament"; Not released
But an anti-war plan to disarm America article written by Obama was found;
http://orlytaitzesq.com/drorlytaitzesq/documentation/obamaantimilitary.pdf

Harvard College records: Not released

Harvard Law Review articles: None

Illinois Bar Records: Not released

Illinois Driver's License Record: Not released (discovered by independent investigators) Click here for details.

Baptism certificate: None

Medical records: Not released

Illinois State Senate records: None

Illinois State Senate schedule: UH..., "LOST"

Law practice client list -- Not released

University of Chicago scholarly articles: None


The Day After being sworn in, Barrack Hussein Obama made his First Executive Order #13489, the order is to hide his records! The biased 'mainstream' Media did not report on it of course, but you can see it here> http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf or look it up yourself. So much for that "transparency" he promised... now, Is this the act of a person who is hiding something? You decide.
 
 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 08:05:01 PM
Springs Man Claims To Have Obama's Draft Records
Col. Gregory Hollister Says He Has Obama's Draft Registration

POSTED: 11:28 am MDT March 30, 2011
UPDATED: 5:07 pm MDT March 30, 2011



COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- A Colorado Springs man who claims to have records that prove Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate was forged could face criminal charges because he is alleged to have illegally accessed an online Social Security database.

Retired Air Force Col. Gregory Hollister impersonated Obama with the Selective Service and managed to get a card with President Obama’s Selective Service information on it, a blogger posted on gratewire.com last week.

Hollister told the Colorado Springs Gazette that a private investigator gave him what is purported to be the president’s Social Security number and he then accessed the Social Security Number Verification Service to find out to whom it was issued and to access Selective Service documents.


The site allows registered users to verify names and Social Security numbers for employment purposes and warns that using it under false pretenses is a violation of federal law.

Hollister told the Gazette that according to the Social Security Administration, that number was never issued, but that's the same Social Security number that appears on Obama's Selective Service documents.

Hollister said the Social Security number on what he says is Obama’s draft registration begins with the numbers 042, which would be issued to someone born in Connecticut, not Hawaii.

Hollister and others birthers claim Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia and that his birth certificate showing he was born in Honolulu in 1961 is a forgery. The Constitution requires that the president of the United States be a natural born citizen.

Hollister has challenged in a lawsuit that Obama is not an American citizen. The U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear that suit on Jan. 18.

Hollister could face charges of identity theft and fraud.


http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/27372400/detail.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 06, 2011, 08:21:57 PM
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in-chief-falsify-selective-service-registration-never-actually-register-obamas-draft-registration-raises-serious-questions



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Freeborn126 on April 07, 2011, 04:27:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7sWpIh5bFY

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
April 6, 2011


During an appearance before Al Sharpton’s shake down organization, the National Action Network, the comedian Obama said he was a gas station attendant before he decided to serve his country as a teleprompter reader. Barry Obama was a regular Joe with student loans to pay off and other hardships suffered daily by the boobeoisie.

Before pumping gas, Obama was the son of a goat herder. Others, however, dispute Obama’s claim that he is from humble origins and state he is instead the product of the CIA and intelligence services.

Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen has documented the connections between Barack Obama, Sr. and CIA-sponsored operations in Kenya. In addition, Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, worked with the CIA in post-coup Indonesia. In fact, she worked for a number of CIA front organizations, including the East-West Center at the University of Hawaii, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and the Ford Foundation.

Obama’s stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was recalled to Indonesia in 1965 to serve as a senior army officer and assist General Suharto and the CIA in the bloody overthrow of President Sukarno.

The coup death toll was between 500,000 and a million people. A former deputy CIA station chief in Indonesia, Joseph Lazarsky, and former diplomat Edward Masters, have confirmed that CIA agents contributed to drawing up death lists used by the Indonesian military. The CIA was successful in almost completely infiltrating the top of the Indonesian government and army prior to the coup.

Obama’s work in 1983 for Business International Corporation (BIC), a CIA front company that conducted seminars with the world’s most powerful leaders and used journalists as agents abroad, dovetails with CIA espionage activities conducted by his mother, according to Madsen.

In 1986, BIC was bought by the Economist Group in London and its operations were merged with the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU). There have been a number of reports that the EIU works as closely with Britain’s MI-6 intelligence service as BIC once worked with or for the CIA.

“Throughout its entire history, the CIA has set up an elaborate shell game of ‘proprietaries’ (front companies), money-laundering operations and off-the-books projects so complex that no outsider — and few insiders — could ever keep track of them,” writes Mark Zepezauer.

The publishing company is a known CIA front, a fact admitted to by its co-founder. It is said BIC also funded the SDS, the infamous radical student group of the late 1960s that spun off the Weathermen and Obama confidant – and ghost writer – Bill Ayers.

Prior to working for the Agency, Obama was enrolled at Columbia University. An informed source told Madsen that Obama’s tuition debt at Columbia was paid off by BIC. In the Sharpton video, Obama tells us he had to pay off his tuition loans just like everybody else.

In 1981, the young Obama traveled to Pakistan and was hosted by the family of Muhammadmian Soomro, a Pakistani Sindhi who became acting President of Pakistan after the resignation of the dictator General Pervez Musharraf on August 18, 2008. Madsen writes that the Obama/Soetoro trip to Pakistan, ostensibly to go “partridge hunting” with the Soomros, was related to unknown CIA business. Obama also reportedly traveled to India on unknown business for U.S. intelligence, Madsen states.

Of course, most Americans know nothing about any of this and probably buy hook, line, and sinker into his quaint gas station attendant and college loan straddled middle class American nonsense.

Obama works for the CIA, that is to say Wall Street.

The agency was created at the end of the Second World War by Wall Street lawyer Frank Wisener, who worked with the former bank bond salesman and then Secretary of Defense under Truman James Forrestal to create the CIA and its Office of Special Projects in 1948.

As Ron Paul has noted, the CIA runs just about everything – certainly everything connected to the government, including and especially the presidency.





Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 04:33:28 AM
I've got some good stuff on the columbia sham ill post later.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Freeborn126 on April 07, 2011, 04:37:06 AM
No other president has had such a sketchy background as him.  Nor has any president spent so much money to cover up his background as him.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 04:39:08 AM
I have proof he lied his ass off about his columbia recors.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 04:59:34 AM
BORN IN THE USA?

Did Obama 'miss' 1 year of Columbia classes?
Discrepancy appears in sparse records documenting attendance



http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=283965


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Posted: April 06, 2011
8:54 pm Eastern

© 2011 WorldNetDaily


Barack Obama
What's this? Did Barack Obama only attend Columbia University for nine months?

That was the suggestion of a report obtained from the Student Clearinghouse by eligibility gadfly Orly Taitz, an attorney who has represented a number of clients in legal challenges pertaining to Obama's bona fides.

But according to information obtained by WND, it appears Obama did indeed attend Columbia for two years.

The concerns were raised in a document filed in court as part of an amended complaint in a case Taitz has assembled challenging the legitimacy of Obama's Social Security number. The case alleges Obama  has used multiple Social Security numbers and the number he reportedly uses today is a Connecticut number, even though Obama lacks links to the state at the time he would have gotten the number.

Help get TV commercials on the air to bust Obama's eligibility wide open!

In addition to the questions over the Social Security number, Taitz raises other questions.

"Further records from the Student Clearing House show even more shocking evidence. In his memoirs and multiple speeches Obama wrote that he studied for two years at Columbia University September 1981-May 1983. He admitted that in summer of 1981 he traveled to Pakistan to visit his friends, but repeatedly claimed that from September 1981 until May of 1983 he resided in New York and studied at Columbia," she wrote in the complaint.

(Story continues below)

     


But she explained she got information that suggested he wasn't there during that time.

"Columbia official records show him attending Columbia university only for nine months September 1982-till May 1983 (Exhibit 3)," she wrote.

The exhibit is an image of a clearinghouse document regarding Obama's Columbia attendance:


Clearinghouse document


The document states clearly that Obama attended "09/01/1982 to 05/31/1983."

A larger image has been included to clarify, because of the quality of the court filing:


Blowup of Clearinghouse document


But according to information provided by the clearinghouse to a WND source, Obama attended from "09/1981" to "05/1983" and finished with a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science.

School spokesman Robert Hornsby told WND that federal law prohibits the release of much of the information about a student, but he could confirm that "Barack Obama applied for and was granted admission to Columbia College as a transfer student in 1981. He enrolled for the fall term of that year as a political science major. With the conclusion of the spring semester of 1983, Obama completed the requirements for a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science and graduated with his class."

He said the school had no other comment.

Taitz told WND that the school's statements were "nonsense."

She said he got her verification electronically, and it was part of a long list of attendance questions she submitted at the same time. She said she also requested information on Obama's attendance at Occidental College in California, and the service either could not or would not provide that information.

WND did inquire of Columbia for information about several other students, and found the office of alumni and development was able to confirm the attendance of a student, but declined to provide dates for that attendance.

"I was instructed not to give out too much personal information," the office clerk told WND.

The registrar's office referred WND to a clearinghouse or said inquiries could be made through the college's archivist, who did not respond to a message left by WND.

In response to the question about Obama, the office of alumni and development referred WND to the registrar's office, who declined to respond to questions, referring WND to the public affairs office for the law school. From there, WND was referred to the school's public affairs office, where Hornsby responded.

In "Dreams From My Father," Obama vaguely wrote about attending Columbia for two years, but didn't provide much in the way of specific dates.

But on the list of items also not released by Obama about his Columbia attendance were his grades, his associates, his thesis, his residential status, his support or funding for the school, his admission process, references and others.

Those records are on a long list of other unreleased documents, including his actual birth documentation, his Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, Illinois State Bar Association records, baptism records and his adoption records.

There are other discrepancies in the story Obama has presented, too. For example, a Hawaii newspaper reported Obama attended kindergarten on Oahu during the school year 1966-1967, about the time he reportedly was attending school in Indonesia where he and his mother moved when she married an Indonesian.

Further, Obama reported he was two years old when his father left the family, but actual details from his early life suggest his mother left Hawaii for school in Washington state within weeks of Obama's birth, and did not return until after Barack Obama Sr. departed the islands. The data makes it appear unlikely the family ever actually lived together as a family.

He also wrote about finding his birth certificate in a book, but then his campaign posted online a computer generated image of a "short form" certificate that apparently was released by the state but indicates little more than someone reported the birth to the state and stated that the child was born in Hawaii.

When lawyers bringing a challenge to Obama's eligibility to hold the office of president earlier subpoenaed Occidental College for records of Obama's attendance, attorneys for the president slapped the effort down in court immediately.

Such behavior bothers Hawaii State Sen. Sam Slom, who told Jeff Katz of WXKS Radio in Boston.

"At first I followed [the issue] with amusement, and then I got really concerned about it, because the question was if it was not just the birth certificate, but other records as well – school records, academic records, work records – why would anyone spend millions of dollars in legal fees, particularly someone in public office, particularly someone in the highest public office, to not make that information public?"

He cited the suggestion that Barack Sr. might not, in fact, have been Barack Obama's father, and that information could be on the original long-form birth certificate that would prove embarrassing to the president.

Recently, potential presidential candidate Donald Trump has also questioned why Obama has kept his records under lock and key, stating, "There's something fishy about the whole thing," and, "There's something on that certificate that's very bad for him."

As WND reported, Slom brought up questions after Hawaii's Democrat Gov. Neil Abercrombie pledged to find and reveal Obama's birth documentation, then not only failed to follow through, but also asked for the resignation of the man he had chosen to serve as head of the Hawaii Department of Health, which reportedly holds the documentation.


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Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 05:13:22 AM
Hawaii elections clerk: Obama 'caught fibbing'
But will president be 'frog-marched from office' over eligibility issue?

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Posted: April 06, 2011
7:11 pm Eastern


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The former Hawaii elections official who maintains there's no long-form birth certificate for Barack Obama in the Aloha State is now saying the president and his aides have been "caught fibbing" about Obama's background, and the "embarrassing" situation is making it difficult to fess up to the truth.


President Barack Obama in the Oval Office April 4, 2011 

Tim Adams, who was senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu during the 2008 campaign, made the statements in a two-hour interview with a group looking to disprove claims made by so-called birthers, those challenging Obama's legal qualification to be president.

"I think people believe there's been some kind of cover-up. And I don't think it's some big nefarious conspiracy. I think it's politics as usual," Adams said March 31 on Reality Check Radio, an Internet program on BlogTalkRadio.

"Barack Obama's official autobiography was put out to the public for the public's consumption and we all know politicians – they have a public persona, it's created for consumption by the electorate – and I think that they've been caught fibbing, and it's embarrassing."

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But Adams, who described himself as "pretty much a liberal" who backed Hillary Clinton in the campaign, thinks the president should produce a long-form birth certificate if he has one, even if it contains information that does not go along with the narrative proffered so far by Obama and his surrogates.

"I think as much trauma as all this has caused," Adams said, "I think if Barack Obama has lied about where he was born or if there's something about his birth that he doesn't want people to publicly know, if he would come out and simply say something like that, I think most people would go, 'Oh, OK,' and they would go on about their business 'cause they've got a thousand more important things to do."

(Story continues below)

     


Adams burst onto the national scene last June after claiming his superiors at the elections office in Honolulu checked with the state health department and local hospitals, only to find out that none had Obama's long-form birth certificate, a document specifying the hospital where he was born and the attending physician.


Tim Adams, the former senior elections clerk for Honolulu in 2008
 

While not having access to Hawaii Department of Health birth records, Adams says his office had access to numerous databases to verify people's identities, including the Social Security database, driver's licenses, passports, tax and banking records, police files and the national crime computer.

He said elections officials themselves have been embarrassed by the disclosure about accessing criminal records, saying, "They were not happy about it when they found out about it."

He has since signed an affidavit swearing to his allegations.

As the controversy over eligibility has resurfaced recently with billionaire developer and potential Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump suggesting Obama's presidency could be illegal, Adams is not expecting the commander in chief to be removed from office.

"That gets into the extremist fantasies that somehow they're going to frog-march Barack Obama out of the White House – it's never going to happen," said Adams.

"Barack Obama was given permission to run for office. Barack Obama won the election. He is the president of the United States. The more extremist people out there try to, you know, bring up this issue that he's not legitimately president. It doesn't hold water. You can't say, once you give the man permission to run, and he wins the election, that he's not president. It's not going to happen."

At one point in the interview, one of the questioners, who ironically never provided his real name and only went by an alias, challenged Adams about the "short-form" birth certificate, also known as a certification of live birth, or COLB, that has been displayed on the Internet.


This short-form "certification of live birth" released by the Obama campaign in 2008 does not have the name of the hospital or an attending physician, which would be included on a long-form "certificate of live birth," which has never been produced by Obama.


It notes a birthplace of Honolulu, but does not specify a hospital or doctor.

The radio hosts suggested that Janice Okubo, the public information officer for the state health department had previously vouched for the authenticity of the COLB, though in reality she has refused to do so. But Adams maintained the online scanned image is fraudulent.

Adams was asked, "So you're calling Janice Okubo a liar?"

"Yes," Adams responded, "if she's saying that that document that is sitting out there on the Internet is an actual document because we can prove it's not in about 30 seconds. Because it's altered."

Long-form birth certificates from 1961 still exist, including one released by Susan Nordyke, who was born in Honolulu Aug. 5, 1961, the day after Obama's alleged birth.


Copy of original long-form birth certificate of Susan Nordyke, born in Honolulu the day after Obama's reported birthdate. Obama has never produced any document like this.


In response to a direct question from WND, Okubo refused to authenticate either of the two versions of President Obama's short-form certification of live birth, posted online – neither the image produced by the Obama campaign nor images released by FactCheck.org.


FactCheck.org image of COLB released August 2008



Image of date stamp on rear of FactCheck.org document



Image of seal on FactCheck.org document




Close-up of FactCheck.org document


"I happen to be a trained document researcher, by the way," Adams continued, "and have worked with the Hawaii Historical Association and have worked in the state archives. So I do know what a document is."

Adams says he even offered the current Democratic governor of the state, Neil Abercrombie, his personal assistance to help verify any long-form birth certificate if it were ever produced.

"Governor Abercrombie said that he was afraid that even if they managed to bring out the original birth certificate or a copy of the original birth certificate, there would still be people who would say, 'Oh, it's a forgery, oh, it's a fake,' whatever. I told him that if he wanted help convincing people it was real, I would be happy to do so. If he actually had the birth certificate. I got nothing back from the man."

Abercrombie made national headlines earlier this year when he publicly sought to bring closure to the issue, and then explained he couldn't find Obama's long-form birth certificate, only some sort of written notation.

"It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down," Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser.

Adams explained, "He found a registration, he found an archive notation. He did not find a birth certificate. You'll never see one from him."

Adams also commented on a mysterious letter purportedly sent by Obama to Honolulu's Kapi'olani Medical Center in January 2009 in which the president ostensibly declared the facility his place of birth. It was read aloud by Abercrombie at the hospital's centennial celebration.


A photograph taken by the Kapi'olani Medical Center for WND shows a letter allegedly written by President Obama on embossed White House stationery in which he declares the Honolulu hospital to be "the place of my birth," The hospital, after publicizing the letter then refusing to confirm it even existed, is now vouching for its authenticity, but not its content. The White House has yet to verify any aspect of the letter. 


"I know there was a letter that they refuse now to show to public scrutiny, that, as far as I can tell, didn't come from either President Obama – where it came from is a matter of conjecture. Some people think that somebody in Washington ... who's now a governor may have written it," Adams said. "Whether that letter is valid or not, all that letter proves is if President Obama wrote the Kapi'olani Hospital letter congratulating them on – I think it was their 100th anniversary."

As WND has reported, the White House has refused to confirm if it wrote or sent the letter, or if the information it contains is accurate.

Kapi'olani has used the letter for fundraising purposes, and the FBI has said there could be federal charges filed if the letter is not authentic.


Kapi'olani used a letter, allegedly written by President Obama in which he declares his birthplace to be at the facility, to solicit donations in its spring 2009 edition of its Inspire Magazine. The hospital, after refusing to confirm the letter even existed, is now vouching for its authenticity but not its content. The White House has refused to confirm both the letter and its content. The FBI and Secret Service have indicated criminal charges are possible if a fraudulent letter from the White House is being used to raise funds.
 


"It would be a charity-fraud scheme," said FBI spokesman Steve Kodak. "It would be investigated by us or the Secret Service. We both have jurisdiction over that."

Adams, who personally believes Obama is eligible for president simply because his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was an American citizen, is hoping laws are passed clarifying the meaning of "natural born citizen," which is what the U.S. Constitution specifies for presidents.

Adams thinks anyone born on U.S. soil, irrespective of their parents' heritage or citizenship, should be eligible. Still, he's urging the president to release his long-form birth certificate from wherever he was born to resolve the controversy.

"The fact is, we've had one person all along who could simply end this, who supposedly has the document in his possession, and that's President Obama," said Adams. "He could end this. I really wish he would."

Despite the fact major newspapers and broadcast networks have avoided interviewing Adams or probing his allegations, the former official who supervised about 50 people in Honolulu said he seriously considered leaving the United States because of the disruption to his life and threats against him after going public with his claims.

"When all this happened, it was nuts. It was a mess," he said. "I really got to the point [where] I thought, 'I'm going to have to leave the country.' I don't get nearly as much grief now, either professionally or otherwise. But it was really bad for a while. It got really violent. There are some really kind of dangerous people out there."

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Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Freeborn126 on April 07, 2011, 05:21:48 AM
Hopefully Trump will be able to blow this issue wide open.  Now that he is behind it, the birther base will continue to grow. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 05:25:08 AM
Hopefully Trump will be able to blow this issue wide open.  Now that he is behind it, the birther base will continue to grow. 

Like i keep telling the ostriches on this site with their heads in the sand, its not going away any time soon because obama is hiding some seriously damaging info he knows if made public would sink his ass. 

   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: MB on April 07, 2011, 05:36:15 AM
He probably does have a LFBC doesn't mean he has to show you it.  The state has it on file, they used it to create a COLB for him to prove his place of birth.  

Can you prove they don't have the LFBC in the file?  

You may be easing over to the birther side.  He probably does, but just for real proof, let's see it. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 07, 2011, 05:38:02 AM
see, this is that i don't get.

let's say it's true - let's say his family worked for our CIA, he worked for them, etc.

Doesn't that make him a truly awesome american?  kicking ass and killing bad guys worldwide for US interests?  Doesn't that mean he and his family risked their skin for the advancement of the US of A?  Never held a real job?  Sheeeit, he was capping bad guys to keep us safe.  Doesn't love America?  He was risking his skin to protect thsi gret nation.  IF obama was a CIA guy, then he deserves the job way more than some yale college punk whose daddy handed him the job!

You're saying obama is a HERO, 333386.  Thread backfire.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 05:42:08 AM
Bamas mother worked for geithners dad at the ford foundation. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: MB on April 07, 2011, 05:44:19 AM
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As the controversy over eligibility has resurfaced recently with billionaire developer and potential Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump suggesting Obama's presidency could be illegal, Adams is not expecting the commander in chief to be removed from office.

"That gets into the extremist fantasies that somehow they're going to frog-march Barack Obama out of the White House – it's never going to happen," said Adams.

"Barack Obama was given permission to run for office. Barack Obama won the election. He is the president of the United States. The more extremist people out there try to, you know, bring up this issue that he's not legitimately president. It doesn't hold water. You can't say, once you give the man permission to run, and he wins the election, that he's not president. It's not going to happen."

That's an ignorant statement.  If Obama is not a NBC, he cannot serve as President no matter if he was given permission to run or not.  The rules are black and white. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Grape Ape on April 07, 2011, 05:53:42 AM
The rules are black and white. 

Racist post reported.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 06:59:55 AM
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Barack Obama's missing year



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Posted: April 07, 2011
1:00 am Eastern

© 2011 

In his definitive 2010 biography of Barack Obama, "The Bridge," New Yorker editor David Remnick features a photograph of a dapper young Barack Obama sitting between his grandparents on a Central Park bench.

The bench is real. The grandparents are real. The wall behind them is real. Barack Obama is not. He has been conspicuously photoshopped in. Who did this and why remains as much a mystery as Obama's extended stay in New York.



In late October 2007, the New York Times ran a telling article on Barack Obama headlined, "Obama's Account of New York Years Often Differs From What Others Say."

Given that he was an announced candidate for president, and an underdog at that, the Times expected Obama to welcome the chance to reconcile his account in his memoir, "Dreams from My Father," with the accounts of those who knew him.

"Yet," lamented the newly neutered Times, "he declined repeated requests to talk about his New York years, release his Columbia transcript or identify even a single fellow student, co-worker, roommate or friend from those years."

A campaign spokesman, Ben LaBolt, offered a painfully lame explanation for Obama's reticence, "He doesn't remember the names of a lot of people in his life."

Lame or not, it worked, and it continues to work on a media that have spent more time in the dumpsters of Wasilla than they have investigating the preposterously unknown history of the world's best-known man.

When the media leave holes in a given narrative – in this case, the biography of a presidential candidate – bloggers individually, incrementally and indefatigably strive to fill them in, usually with mixed results.

One hole that remains strangely unfilled in that narrative is the academic year 1981-1982, a year Obama was reportedly a student at Columbia University.

Jack Cashill's literary investigation uncovers revelations galore about Obama's alleged life narrative. Order the new book "Deconstructing Obama: The Life, Love and Letters of America's First Post-Modern President"

The irrepressible researcher Orly Taitz secured a document through the National Student Clearinghouse on Obama's Columbia attendance.

The document confirms Obama's graduation from Columbia with a political science degree in 1983, but it places him there only in the 1982-1983 academic year.

"As there is no record of Obama residing anywhere else in the United States from September 1981-September 1982, or attending any other university," Taitz infers, "by way of simple deduction it becomes clear that his visit to Pakistan lasted not a month or two, as he claims, but over a year."

Obama's deceptions and studied opaqueness invite such speculation, but Taitz is likely unaware of competing evidence. How valid that evidence is remains to be seen.

Going back, Occidental friend John Drew confirms seeing Obama at a party in Los Angeles in June 1981. "At that time," says Drew, "the future president was a doctrinaire Marxist revolutionary, although perhaps – for the first time – considering conventional politics as a more practical road to socialism."

In "Dreams," Obama gives no account of the following summer. He moves from Los Angeles to New York in August and allegedly lands roughly. No one was present at his Spanish Harlem sublease when he arrives, and Obama sleeps in an alleyway.

Desperate, Obama calls "Sadik," a Pakistani and his one friend in the city, who just happens to be a coke-head and an illegal alien.

When Obama gives up his apartment because of a lack of heat, he and Sadik – in real life, Sohale Siddiqi – move in together, the date unspecified.

Given that "Dreams" proposes to tell the story of Obama's coming to grips with the world around him, his failure to mention a trip to Pakistan that summer raises eyebrows. Nor did Obama mention it in his 2006 book, "Audacity of Hope."

By contrast, Obama devotes considerable attention to an alleged trip to Europe a few years later, his flimsy account of which seems to have been pulled from a Michelin Guide.

In fact, it was not until April 2008 at a San Francisco fundraiser that Obama casually let it be known that he had traveled to Pakistan at all, an admission that took his own spokesman by surprise.

There was likely a reason for this impromptu admission. Two weeks earlier, an employee of John Brennan, a former CIA operative then advising Obama, accessed Obama's passport on three occasions.

The CNN lead suggests a major story in the making, "The CEO of a company whose employee is accused of improperly looking at the passport files of presidential candidates is a consultant to the Barack Obama campaign, a source said Saturday."

The story predictably went nowhere despite the fact that Obama would later appoint Brennan Deputy national security adviser.

The most benign explanation is that Team Obama was doing oppositional research on its own candidate – and likely the other candidates as well – and that Obama outed himself on a questionable trip to a Muslim country before the real opposition did.

(Column continues below)

     


Remnick spends less than a page on the Pakistan trip, which he describes, as Obama has, as sort of a stop-over to see friends on the way to visit his mother and sister in Indonesia.

Securing a visa for this trip in 1981 was apparently possible for an American but not easy. Although Remnick interviews Obama's friends about the Pakistan leg, he gives no accounting of Obama's stay in Indonesia, if, in fact, there was one.

Writing in 2009, Remnick has to accommodate new information that surfaced post-election about Obama's life once he descended on New York after his Asian junket.

In "Dreams," Obama had chosen not to. To make the narrative of the brooding, father-seeking ascetic work, he had to scrub one person out of the record, Occidental friend Phil Boerner.

As Boerner tells it, he transferred with Obama to Columbia and roomed with him his first year in New York in that same Spanish Harlem apartment. There is no mention of a character anything like him in "Dreams."

A registered Democrat and Obama fan, Boerner conveniently laid low until well after the 2008 election. Wrote Boerner in January 2009:

"We enjoyed exploring museums such as the Guggenheim, the Met and the American Museum of Natural History, and browsing in bookstores such as the Strand and the Barnes & Noble opposite Columbia. We both liked taking long walks down Broadway on a Sunday afternoon, and listening to the silence of Central Park after a big snow."

What makes Boerner problematic for the Obama narrative is his very normality. This obliging middle-class guy from suburban D.C. makes Obama sound so thoroughly cheerful and white that he throws into question the alleged sturm und drang of Obama's New York years.

"Hanging out, we could get pretty emotional about sports, food and injustice," writes Boerner, who nicely captures liberal priorities then and now.

The Marxist dandy that John Drew had met at Occidental did not transform himself when he came to New York. The transformation to morally serious philosophe would come later, but only at the hands of Bill Ayers and largely in the pages of "Dreams."

"Like a tourist, I watched the range of human possibility on display," writes Obama of those years, "trying to trace out my future in the lives of the people I saw, looking for some opening through which I could re-enter."

Re-enter what? This seems more the reflection of a soon to be ex-fugitive than that of a metro-sexual happily browsing the Met. Ayers, by the way, uses the phrase "human possibility" twice in his memoir, "Fugitive Days."

Not surprisingly, Boerner has chosen not to return my phone call. As I said on his voice mail, all I wanted to do was clarify whether Obama actually attended class his first year in New York.

You would think we would know this by now.



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Jack Cashill is an Emmy-award winning independent writer and producer with a Ph.D. in American Studies from Purdue. His latest book is the blockbuster "Deconstructing Obama: The Life, Love and Letters of America's First Post-Modern President."



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Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: andreisdaman on April 07, 2011, 07:33:49 AM
That's not true... Birth Certificates do change.

If I go get a birth certificate for myself from the commonwealth of virginia right now... It does not look like the birth certificate from 1950.

I've already told him this..he doesn't want to get it.....but good post ;)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Grape Ape on April 07, 2011, 07:38:23 AM
I've already told him this..he doesn't want to get it.....but good post ;)

There were subsequent posts after his statement.  Do you have an answer for these?  Personally, I feel he is probably a citizen, but there is definitely something on the BC that he's trying to hide, most likely something religious.  If a $10 BC could refute all this, why not just produce the doc?

Yes, but the original is on file with raised seal and signed by a doc or govt officer certying it.  



Bama said in Dreams From my Father, allegedly written in 1995 he had a BC.  However, he released a COLB that was created in 2007 for the campaign.  Where is the one he was referring to in dreams and why wont he release it?  



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: andreisdaman on April 07, 2011, 07:41:07 AM
What about this?


I told 3333 that birth certificates have changed and they no longer give out the long form any more....for instance in New York State, they now give you a "Certificate of Birth" which is what they sent me when I requested my birth certificate because I lost it.....

Obama produced his "Certificate of Birth" as well..which is a legal legitimate document....long form BC's aren't given out much any more


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Grape Ape on April 07, 2011, 07:42:43 AM
I told 3333 that birth certificates have changed and they no longer give out the long form any more....for instance in New York State, they now give you a "Certificate of Birth" which is what they sent me when I requested my birth certificate because I lost it.....

Obama produced his "Certificate of Birth" as well..which is a legal legitimate document....long form BC's aren't given out much any more

That's not the point.  They DID give out the long form when Obama was born.  Where is it?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 07:46:59 AM
That's not the point.  They DID give out the long form when Obama was born.  Where is it?

Hawaii has said they never lost any records and have everythng.  Fact is that either 1) the long form BC lists a different father or some other bizarro world thing about obama; 2) none exists at all, 3) long form BC exists but obama is listed as someone else like Barry Dunham or Barry Soetoro, or 4) a long form bc exists dated after his alleged birth date to reflect someone else as the father since Lolo Soetoro allegedly adopted Barry to get him enrolled in school in indonesia.   

   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Grape Ape on April 07, 2011, 07:53:33 AM
Hawaii has said they never lost any records and have everythng.  Fact is that either 1) the long form BC lists a different father or some other bizarro world thing about obama; 2) none exists at all, 3) long form BC exists but obama is listed as someone else like Barry Dunham or Barry Soetoro, or 4) a long form bc exists dated after his alleged birth date to reflect someone else as the father since Lolo Soetoro allegedly adopted Barry to get him enrolled in school in indonesia.   

   

None if that is exactly outer-space-looney-CT type stuff.  Seems like he hid stuff he felt would hinder his election.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 07, 2011, 07:59:33 AM
Birth certificates don't change.  Why would you so easily accept that he has a long form birth certificate?  Have you seen it?  We're shown a phony looking COLB and know for a fact that he used multiple social security numbers.  Something smells rotten here. 

According to the State of Hawaii information is added and taken away depending. That is change. 

Why would you so easily accept that it doesn't exist?  Are you of the same thought that Hawaii, the state, are making up that he was born there?   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 07, 2011, 08:02:56 AM
You may be easing over to the birther side.  He probably does, but just for real proof, let's see it. 

not at all.  Hawaii has it.  He may not have a copy himself.  It does exist however, in the file used to prepare the COLB.  Can you prove it's not in there?  No.  I don't need to prove it's there, what else would Hawaii use to print a COLB?  You think they make stuff up or use 'notes' as in cliffs notes of someone being born?  Like oh yeah Obama he was born here it says so on this post it in his file.   ::)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 07, 2011, 08:03:51 AM
Hawaii has said they never lost any records and have everythng.  Fact is that either 1) the long form BC lists a different father or some other bizarro world thing about obama; 2) none exists at all, 3) long form BC exists but obama is listed as someone else like Barry Dunham or Barry Soetoro, or 4) a long form bc exists dated after his alleged birth date to reflect someone else as the father since Lolo Soetoro allegedly adopted Barry to get him enrolled in school in indonesia.   

   

So if they never lost any records and you are now saying it is in the file.  Why do you say the COLB is a fraud?  It is written from the information they have on file, including the LFBC. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 08:04:30 AM
According to the State of Hawaii information is added and taken away depending. That is change. 

Why would you so easily accept that it doesn't exist?  Are you of the same thought that Hawaii, the state, are making up that he was born there?   

Show me where one of the changes they made to the BC was racial classifications to wher "AFRICAN" waslisted as a choice on their records.    It certainly wasnt in 1961.    


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 08:05:57 AM
not at all.  Hawaii has it.  He may not have a copy himself.  It does exist however, in the file used to prepare the COLB.  Can you prove it's not in there?  No.  I don't need to prove it's there, what else would Hawaii use to print a COLB?  You think they make stuff up or use 'notes' as in cliffs notes of someone being born?  Like oh yeah Obama he was born here it says so on this post it in his file.   ::)

Same bullshit as when illegals sign up for Drivers' licenses in states like NC.   Sometimes the states just accept whatever bullshit the person tells them.   

There are no hospital records whatsoever of Barrys' birth anywhere at any time.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 07, 2011, 08:09:44 AM
Same bullshit as when illegals sign up for Drivers' licenses in states like NC.   Sometimes the states just accept whatever bullshit the person tells them.   

There are no hospital records whatsoever of Barrys' birth anywhere at any time.   

So Hawaii is making it up?  I thought he had a LFBC before?  You said above Hawaii has it and he won't release it cause of the fathers name.  Now it doesn't exist?  Are you the same person?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: MB on April 07, 2011, 08:29:08 AM
That's not true... Birth Certificates do change.

If I go get a birth certificate for myself from the commonwealth of virginia right now... It does not look like the birth certificate from 1950.

If you receive a certified copy of your long form birth certificate, it will contain the same information as the original.  Only the short form certificate is abbreviated.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 07, 2011, 09:33:09 AM
If you receive a certified copy of your long form birth certificate, it will contain the same information as the original.  Only the short form certificate is abbreviated.

What long form?

I have NEVER seen a long form in the Commonwealth of Virginia... Not mine, nor my kids... No Ex-Wives... Even my dad's.

Never EVER seen one... Nor is it a requirement to fill out a W-4 to have one... So if it's not required for employment paperwork... What's thebig deal.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 09:36:39 AM
What long form?

I have NEVER seen a long form in the Commonwealth of Virginia... Not mine, nor my kids... No Ex-Wives... Even my dad's.

Never EVER seen one... Nor is it a requirement to fill out a W-4 to have one... So if it's not required for employment paperwork... What's thebig deal.

Here is the copy that the person born allegedly right before obama's looked like.   Compare to the garbage obama released. 



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 07, 2011, 09:41:26 AM
Here is the copy that the person born allegedly right before obama's looked like.   Compare to the garbage obama released. 



I don't know how many times I can say this... As far as I am concerned... this LONG FORM shit is just that... Shit.

If Obama were getting a job as a CEO making 10 times what he does as President, the one he produced would be good enough.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 09:44:23 AM
I don't know how many times I can say this... As far as I am concerned... this LONG FORM shit is just that... Shit.

If Obama were getting a job as a CEO making 10 times what he does as President, the one he produced would be good enough.





Problem is that its not a requirement under the US Const. for the CEO of a private corp. to be a NBC.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 07, 2011, 09:46:13 AM


Problem is that its not a requirement under the US Const. for the CEO of a private corp. to be a NBC.

So in the US Constitution it says "long form Birth Certificate" somewhere?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 09:48:30 AM
So in the US Constitution it says "long form Birth Certificate" somewhere?

No, its says NBC, which has a legal definition that so far Barry has yet to really prove.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 07, 2011, 09:53:07 AM
No, its says NBC, which has a legal definition that so far Barry has yet to really prove.   
What is the "legal definition" then?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 10:00:56 AM
 ;D  ;D  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbgoizJ_yPc


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: MB on April 07, 2011, 10:09:45 AM
What long form?

I have NEVER seen a long form in the Commonwealth of Virginia... Not mine, nor my kids... No Ex-Wives... Even my dad's.

Never EVER seen one... Nor is it a requirement to fill out a W-4 to have one... So if it's not required for employment paperwork... What's thebig deal.

The long form is a certified photocopy of the original birth certificate prepared by the hospital or physician.  It has parents' address, race, birth place, date of birth, doctor's name, doctor's signature, parents' signature, etc.  You're right, you can get use a short form or computer generated version for a lot of things, but it won't contain all the information as the original and you cannot use it to obtain a US passport.  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 07, 2011, 10:11:14 AM
I don't think the trump video answers the question.

I also don't think that any definition of Natural Born Citizen mentions some long form birth certificate.

As a matter of fact, the definition actually has no birth certificate mentioned at all.

The long form is a certified photocopy of the original birth certificate prepared by the hospital or physician.  It has parents' address, race, birth place, date of birth, doctor's name, doctor's signature, parents' signature, etc.  You're right, you can get use a short form or computer generated version for a lot of things, but it won't contain all the information as the original and you cannot use it to obtain a US passport. 

That's not true... I've got a passport and I've only used the only birth certificate I've got.

The long form that you speak of only exists in certain instances... Yes, there are some criteria... which you stated above, but this long form shit is ridiculous... a 2 page birth certificate does not exist for me.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: MB on April 07, 2011, 10:16:46 AM
I don't think the trump video answers the question.

I also don't think that any definition of Natural Born Citizen mentions some long form birth certificate.

As a matter of fact, the definition actually has no birth certificate mentioned at all.

That's not true... I've got a passport and I've only used the only birth certificate I've got.

The long form that you speak of only exists in certain instances... Yes, there are some criteria... which you stated above, but this long form shit is ridiculous... a 2 page birth certificate does not exist for me.
If you got a passport with your BC, it's a long form BC.  What Obama is showing online would not get him a passport. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 07, 2011, 10:25:30 AM
The long form is a certified photocopy of the original birth certificate prepared by the hospital or physician.  It has parents' address, race, birth place, date of birth, doctor's name, doctor's signature, parents' signature, etc.  You're right, you can get use a short form or computer generated version for a lot of things, but it won't contain all the information as the original and you cannot use it to obtain a US passport.  

Why do you keep lying?  "*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

A COLB is a Certificate of Live Birth, Certifying birth by said individual in said state at said time.    Hawaii i imagine would be a state that you can use a COLB as ID because that is what they issue when requesting a birth certificate.   They have an offical seal on it as proven by factcheck.org who say and photographed the actual version of it. 

Beginning April 1, 2011, all birth certificates must also include the full names of the applicant's parent(s).  So because he isn't a first time applicant his COLB is enough to get a passport before April 1 2011. 

SO please stop lying 




Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 07, 2011, 10:26:18 AM
Trump sends investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama
By: CNN Political Producer Alexander Mooney

Washington (CNN) – Self-proclaimed birther Donald Trump is now so doubtful of President Obama's birthplace that he's sent a team of his own investigators to Hawaii in hopes of getting to the bottom of the issue.

That's according to Trump himself, who, in an interview with NBC, warned his investigators just might uncover "one of the greatest cons in the history of politics and beyond."

"I have people that have been studying it and they cannot believe what they're finding," Trump said an interview that aired Thursday Morning.

Asked if he has assigned people specifically to search in Hawaii, Trump said, "Absolutely."

The business mogul, who in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll is tied for second place among potential presidential candidates, also suggested the president is involved in an ongoing cover-up over the matter.

"He spent $2 million in legal fees trying on to get away from this issue, and if it weren't an issue, why wouldn't he just solve it?" he said. "I wish he would because if he doesn't, it's one of the greatest scams in the history of politics and in the history, period. You are not allowed to be a president if you're not born in this country. Right now, I have real doubts."

According to a recent CNN/Opinion Research Corporation national poll, 72 percent of Americans say that the president was definitely or probably born in the U.S., with one four saying that he was definitely or probably born outside the country. But the survey indicates a partisan divide, with 43 percent of Republicans but only 11 percent of Democrats saying that Obama was definitely or probably born outside the U.S.
In 2008, the Obama campaign produced a certification of live birth that reports his birthplace as Honolulu, Hawaii – a document the Hawaii government says is official evidence of his birth in the state. Among other evidence of Obama's birth there is the fact the hospital where he was born took out ads in two Hawaiian newspapers in 1961 announcing the birth, while current Gov. Neil Abercrombie says he knew Obama's family and remembers his birth.

In the broad interview, Trump also insisted he's more serious than ever about mounting a presidential bid, but said he can't make a final decision until this season of "Celebrity Apprentice" wraps up.

"I hate to say it. I have the No. 1 show on NBC. Is that the correct statement? The "Celebrity Apprentice" is doing great," said Trump. "You're not allowed to have a show on and be a candidate. It's a great show and it's got phenomenal ratings, and until that show is over I can't declare, otherwise NBC would have to take the show off the air and that would be very unfair."

The show is set to wrap up in mid-May.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/07/trump-sends-investigators-to-hawaii-to-look-into-obama/#more-153209


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 10:29:54 AM
"I have people that have been studying it and they cannot believe what they're finding," Trump said an interview that aired Thursday Morning.



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Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 07, 2011, 10:30:02 AM
At PolitiFact.com, we're all about original sources. We don't take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth — original, corroborating documents.

When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it's identical). But every answer triggered more questions.

And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate's authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?

Because if this document is forged, then they all are.

If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State's office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.


The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama's birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.

"I guess the big issue that's being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature," Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. "Because they scanned the front … you wouldn't see those things."

Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.

And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? "When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it."

SO according to 333 and MB EVERY COLB is fraudulent in the state of hawaii


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: MB on April 07, 2011, 10:32:41 AM
Why do you keep lying?  "*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

A COLB is a Certificate of Live Birth, Certifying birth by said individual in said state at said time.    Hawaii i imagine would be a state that you can use a COLB as ID because that is what they issue when requesting a birth certificate.   They have an offical seal on it as proven by factcheck.org who say and photographed the actual version of it. 

Beginning April 1, 2011, all birth certificates must also include the full names of the applicant's parent(s).  So because he isn't a first time applicant his COLB is enough to get a passport before April 1 2011. 

SO please stop lying 

What did I lie about? 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 07, 2011, 10:35:08 AM
What did I lie about? 

You can't read?  Prove you can not use a COLB for a new US passport.  It says SOME may not be usable.  Doesn't say sh*t about hawaii and the fact hawaii issues COLB in place of other longer birth certs would pretty much guarantee you can use it for a passport.   Up to April 1 2011 that is. 

So yeah quit the bullsh*t lies.  You've been caught. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 07, 2011, 10:39:02 AM
IMO, it won't be the birth cert that would nail obama.

It'll be trump paying a lot of money to someone in kenya or wherever, and those private eyes doing things that freeper bloggers cannot... it will be some birth pic, it'll be something... trump will find something.

I think the COLB issues has been obfuscated to such a degree by disinfo and supposition that arguing it is a moot point.  better to look at other things.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 12:09:50 PM
Trump: Grandma Says Obama Was Born in Kenya
Newsmax ^ | Thursday, 07 Apr 2011 08:38 AM | By Hiram Reisner




Billionaire real estate developer Donald Trump says that, if he were president he would get Congress to resolve this year’s budget and avoid a government shutdown, because much harder fiscal negotiations are yet to come.

. “The big thing is going to be next year, because next year you’re talking about trillions — so if you can’t talk about $30 billion, you’re going to have a real hard time talking about trillions.

.....................

Trump was asked why he continues to focus Obama’s birth certificate, as the main issue in America today is the fiscal crisis.

“The grandmother in Kenya is on record saying he was born in Kenya,” Trump said. “The hospital has, not only no birth certificate — or if they have it they should produce it, maybe there is something on it, who knows — but they have no records that he was there. The family is fighting over which hospital in Hawaii he was born in.

“There is not one record, in any hospital in Hawaii, that Barack Hussein Obama was born there,” he added.

Trump stressed, however, that the nation’s economic crisis — and the fact China “is ripping off the United States” and the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries and other foreign nations are taking advantage of America is “disgraceful” — are his main issues.

“What OPEC is doing to our country is unbelievable and disgraceful. There’s so much oil . . . there ships all over the sea with so much oil, and they don’t know where to dump it, ” Trump said, adding he is amazed he has heard analysts say they can’t understand why the price of oil is skyrocketing.


(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Grape Ape on April 07, 2011, 12:17:31 PM


The long form that you speak of only exists in certain instances... Yes, there are some criteria... which you stated above, but this long form shit is ridiculous... a 2 page birth certificate does not exist for me.



tu - isn't one of those "certain instances" the time/place Obama was born?  What happens to you is irrelevant.  You were not born in Hawaii at the time Obama was.

So, if Obama was born in a place and at the time a Long Form existed, why can't it be produced?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Skip8282 on April 07, 2011, 12:20:12 PM
What long form?

I have NEVER seen a long form in the Commonwealth of Virginia... Not mine, nor my kids... No Ex-Wives... Even my dad's.

Never EVER seen one... Nor is it a requirement to fill out a W-4 to have one... So if it's not required for employment paperwork... What's thebig deal.



I don't buy all this birther shit, but I was born in VA and I have a long form BC.  Looks similar to the long form 33 keeps using as an example.  Now I was born on a military base, but the certificate is still State of VA so I don't think that would make any difference.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 12:22:33 PM
Donald Trump To Meet With AZ Birther Bill Author In NYC
TMP ^ | 04/07/2011 | Evan McMorris-Santoro




Donald "The Donald" Trump is taking further steps to make himself the nation's birther-in-chief. On the heels of his promise to reveal the truth about Obama's birth in the next several weeks, TPM has learned Trump will be hosting an author of Arizona's birther legislation in New York City this week.

According to his office, State Rep. Carl Seel (R) is currently en route to New York City to powow with Trump over HB 2177, a bill which would require all candidates for office to prove their citizenship to the Secretary of State's office before they can appear of Arizona ballots.

Seel's bill is just one of two pieces of birther legislation currently sitting in the state legislature. A previous attempt to pass a birther law in the state died in the Senate after sponsors couldn't find the votes to pass it.

According to Seel's office, the trip to New York to meet with Trump about the Arizona bill was booked "last night." Seel will stay in the city through Sunday.


(Excerpt) Read more at tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo. com ...


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 12:29:01 PM
TRENDING: Trump sends investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama
CNN ^ | April 07, 2011 | Alexander Mooney




Washington (CNN) – Self-proclaimed birther Donald Trump is now so doubtful of President Obama's birthplace that he's sent a team of his own investigators to Hawaii in hopes of getting to the bottom of the issue.

That's according to Trump himself, who, in an interview with NBC, warned his investigators just might uncover "one of the greatest cons in the history of politics and beyond."

"I have people that have been studying it and they cannot believe what they're finding," Trump said an interview that aired Thursday Morning.  


Asked if he has assigned people specifically to search in Hawaii, Trump said, "Absolutely." The business mogul, who in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll is tied for second place among potential presidential candidates, also suggested the president is involved in an ongoing cover-up over the matter.

"He spent $2 million in legal fees trying on to get away from this issue, and if it weren't an issue, why wouldn't he just solve it?" he said. "I wish he would because if he doesn't, it's one of the greatest scams in the history of politics and in the history, period. You are not allowed to be a president if you're not born in this country. Right now, I have real doubts."


(Excerpt) Read more at politicalticker.blogs.cn n.com ...


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 07, 2011, 01:08:03 PM


I don't buy all this birther shit, but I was born in VA and I have a long form BC.  Looks similar to the long form 33 keeps using as an example.  Now I was born on a military base, but the certificate is still State of VA so I don't think that would make any difference.

You do? Can you delete the names and stuff and make an image?

I've never seen such a thing.

Every one I've seen looks like this... Including mine.:

(http://www.fdeus.com/us/images/Birth%20certificates/Virginia%20Birth%20Certificate.jpg)




Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: MB on April 07, 2011, 01:15:07 PM
You can't read?  Prove you can not use a COLB for a new US passport.  It says SOME may not be usable.  Doesn't say sh*t about hawaii and the fact hawaii issues COLB in place of other longer birth certs would pretty much guarantee you can use it for a passport.   Up to April 1 2011 that is. 

So yeah quit the bullsh*t lies.  You've been caught. 

You are correct, HI certification of live birth can be used for a passport. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 01:47:38 PM
“Obama has sucked so badly as President, that even the Kenyans are now saying he was born in America...” - Jay Leno


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Skip8282 on April 07, 2011, 02:05:18 PM
You do? Can you delete the names and stuff and make an image?

I've never seen such a thing.

Every one I've seen looks like this... Including mine.:

(http://www.fdeus.com/us/images/Birth%20certificates/Virginia%20Birth%20Certificate.jpg)






Just took a black marker to a copy, scanned it, but when I expand it, you can see all the data through the marker, lol.

It has a similar fancy border to the one you posted, just in the middle are a bunch of boxes like regist. #, certificate#, whether it was single, twin, triplet (guess you're screwed if your octo mom), mom & dad info along with addresses.

Until this whole birther issue, I just assumed everybody's birth certificate had all this data.  But, I hold these clowns to the same standard as the 9/11 people and I've yet to see any evidence put forth.  Just unanswered questions - big whoop.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 07, 2011, 02:06:33 PM


Just took a black marker to a copy, scanned it, but when I expand it, you can see all the data through the marker, lol.

It has a similar fancy border to the one you posted, just in the middle are a bunch of boxes like regist. #, certificate#, whether it was single, twin, triplet (guess you're screwed if your octo mom), mom & dad info along with addresses.

Until this whole birther issue, I just assumed everybody's birth certificate had all this data.  But, I hold these clowns to the same standard as the 9/11 people and I've yet to see any evidence put forth.  Just unanswered questions - big whoop.

I agree... I keep saying... If you don't like Obama and his policies, which is fine... I have a shitload of them I don't like. I say so... but this birther shit is ridiculous.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 07, 2011, 02:26:52 PM
I think this is a current issue that is worthy of being talked about, but i do not see birthers in the same way (33333 slimy antics aside)  as i do see 9/11 truthers, although the argument styles are essentially the same.

For Trump this could be potentially a suicide move before he even gets and steam rolling in his campaign.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 07, 2011, 02:28:41 PM
I think this is a current issue that is worthy of being talked about, but i do not see birthers in the same way (33333 slimy antics aside)  as i do see 9/11 truthers, although the argument styles are essentially the same.

For Trump this could be potentially a suicide move before he even gets and steam rolling in his campaign.

I agree.  It's really nothing like the 9/11 nuts. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 07, 2011, 02:29:39 PM
Appeals court rebuffs man seeking Obama birth certificate
By Star-Advertiser Staff

The state appeals court affirmed this morning the denial of a request to inspect and review President Barack Obama’s birth certificate.

In a 3-0 vote, the Hawaii Intermediate Court of Appeals upheld a 2009 ruling by then-state Circuit Judge Eden Elizabeth Hifo, who dismissed the lawsuit by a man identified as “Dr. Robert V. Justice,” who represented himself.

In his legal brief to the appeals court, Justice wrote the inspection of the birth certificate will “ensure the health and safety of all 300 million of us by making sure that our military and our nuclear and chemical arsenals are still under our control and not in the control of any one of our enemies.”

The appeals court said Justice sought the review under the state open-records law requiring the disclosure of documents based on a showing of “compelling circumstances affecting the health or safety of any individual.”

But the court said the provision relates to access to records in “medical or safety emergency situations.”

Birth certificates are confidential under state law, except to certain people, such as relatives, who have a “direct and tangible interest” in the records.

Justice had written a letter dated Dec. 31, 2008 to the state Health Department seeking to inspect the birth certificate to “allow me and other fellow Americans to determine whether or not Mr. Obama is eligible to hold the Office of President,” the appeals court said.

After the department denied his request, Justice filed the lawsuit seeking a court order directing the department to disclose the brith certificate.

Chief Judge Craig Nakamura of the appeals court wrote the 17-page opinion. Appeals Judge Katherine Leonard wrote a concurring opinion.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/119429664.html


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 02:32:17 PM
The more you guys look in to this the more you will become birthers.  I'm betting at this point the listed father is different than bama claims.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 02:34:00 PM
What slimey tactics have I used? 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Skip8282 on April 07, 2011, 02:35:19 PM
I agree.  It's really nothing like the 9/11 nuts. 



No, this isn't like 9/11, but I think we need to hold birthers to the same standard - evidence.  Show some freaking evidence.

240's crying that he can't "prove a negative".  Hell, he can't prove a positive. 



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 07, 2011, 02:39:25 PM
What slimey tactics have I used? 

Chronic deflection in this thread and a (infrequent but established) history of altering quotes and misinformation in other threads.  I haven't double checked all your of your claims in this thread.  Just getting into the birther thing more now.   :)

But i will tell you this, the more i look the farther away i get from birthers, and the more curious i get about what he may hiding.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 07, 2011, 02:42:27 PM


No, this isn't like 9/11, but I think we need to hold birthers to the same standard - evidence.  Show some freaking evidence.

240's crying that he can't "prove a negative".  Hell, he can't prove a positive. 



Agree.  The 9/11 stuff is just plain stupid.  The birthers at least have some legitimate questions . . . but no evidence.  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 02:46:02 PM
Problem is that obama has sealed literally his entire record from birth all the way through his state senate record.   There are tons of lies in his bullshit narrative that have come out that he refuses to explain.

Yeah this is all perfectly normal. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 07, 2011, 02:49:27 PM
I am really curious to see how much this will be relevant in 2012.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 07, 2011, 02:50:29 PM
I am really curious to see how much this will be relevant in 2012.



I really don't think it will be.

It appears (and I could be wrong) but it appears that the people who are screaming about this are the people who didn't like Obama anyway... It's that side that the Tea Party sits on and I don't "feel" like it will be relevant in 2012.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 07, 2011, 02:55:00 PM
33333,

why do you say the COLB is a fake?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 07, 2011, 02:57:16 PM
I really don't think it will be.

It appears (and I could be wrong) but it appears that the people who are screaming about this are the people who didn't like Obama anyway... It's that side that the Tea Party sits on and I don't "feel" like it will be relevant in 2012.




Maybe so, but when pools show 25% of people think Obama was either probably not or definitely not born in the USA it should be an issue.  And if Trump runs it should be. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 225for70 on April 07, 2011, 02:58:34 PM
It would be fucking Awesome if Obama wasn't illegible to be president..A guy can dream right ;D


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 07, 2011, 03:11:43 PM
Agree.  The 9/11 stuff is just plain stupid.  The birthers at least have some legitimate questions . . . but no evidence. 

LOL~

I love it.  You wanna be a birther so bad, beachy!


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 07, 2011, 03:19:38 PM
LOL~

I love it.  You wanna be a birther so bad, beachy!

 ::)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 07, 2011, 03:23:26 PM
::)


For real - your little comments like The birthers at least have some legitimate questions

It's what you always do - little cutesy ways of bumping and continuing CTs while not taking a position on it.  But everyone reading knows you are on board with the birthers.  You can't legitimize them by saying they have legit Qs. 

You're one of us, BB.  You don't have to admit it.  Everyone reading knows ;)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 07, 2011, 03:36:21 PM
For real - your little comments like The birthers at least have some legitimate questions

It's what you always do - little cutesy ways of bumping and continuing CTs while not taking a position on it.  But everyone reading knows you are on board with the birthers.  You can't legitimize them by saying they have legit Qs. 

You're one of us, BB.  You don't have to admit it.  Everyone reading knows ;)

Nah.  You got the stupid covered all by your lonesome. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 07, 2011, 03:48:57 PM
we know you, champ :)

You wait til a CT thread falls to the bottom, then conveniently bump it to say how silly it is.

you want it discussed... you know how it works ;)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 07, 2011, 03:52:43 PM
we know you, champ :)

You wait til a CT thread falls to the bottom, then conveniently bump it to say how silly it is.

you want it discussed... you know how it works ;)

What do you mean?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 07, 2011, 03:57:11 PM
we know you, champ :)

You wait til a CT thread falls to the bottom, then conveniently bump it to say how silly it is.

you want it discussed... you know how it works ;)

 ::)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 07, 2011, 04:00:37 PM
What do you mean?


Gibberish.   :)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 07, 2011, 04:01:34 PM
oz,

it's my belief that BB is very much a CTer on a lot of issues - by playing that devlis advocate role.

You know, "that's just silly, I don't think you could prove that..." so that there will be 100 posts trying to prove it.

it's cool.  Everyone has their style.  i've seen him bump just enough 3-day old CT threads to recognize his style haha :)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 07, 2011, 04:02:12 PM
Gibberish.   :)

The beacheth doth protest a bit much, I think?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 07, 2011, 04:03:00 PM
The beacheth doth protest a bit much, I think?

 ::) ::)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 07, 2011, 04:04:38 PM
hey, it's jut a theory on my part.

however, i think you did legitimize the birther CT when you said, well, 'The birthers at least have some legitimate questions".

that's pretty much the definition of assigning legitimacy to it.   



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 07, 2011, 04:05:15 PM
240


I  don't know about that because since the CT board went up no CT threads are here and I don't see him on the CT board much.  And then this thread has been doing real well out any of his bumping it


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 07, 2011, 04:07:34 PM
hey, it's jut a theory on my part.

however, i think you did legitimize the birther CT when you said, well, 'The birthers at least have some legitimate questions".

that's pretty much the definition of assigning legitimacy to it.   



Yawn.  What actually happens on the board is you desperately trying to tie the birther stuff to your 9/11 nuttiness.  I feel sorry for you dude.  Do you hear voices in your head? 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: MB on April 07, 2011, 04:21:49 PM
The more you guys look in to this the more you will become birthers.  I'm betting at this point the listed father is different than bama claims.

I hope Trump is as aggressive with the SSN as the BC.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 07, 2011, 07:17:20 PM
Honolulu Advertiser re-examined: Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama's son, 1961
FreeRepublic.com | April 7, 2011 | None




According to the Honolulu Advertiser, a "son" was born to "Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama" (Sr.) on August 4, 1961. That's all it says. No more; no less.

See the birth announcement here.


Barack Obama Sr. was married at the time to Kezia Obama from Kenya.

America, here are the real "Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama," legally man and wife in 1961:

 

The Honolulu Advertiser birth announcement raises many more questions than it answers.

1. How does Stanley Ann Dunham fit into the picture?

2. Was 18-year old Ms. Dunham really married to Barack Obama Sr. as well?

3. If so, was Mr. Obama Sr. a bigamist, married to two women at the same time?

4. Did Ms. Dunham agree to "adopt" Barack Sr. and Kezia's child and claim it as her own in order to get the child into the country?

5. Since no name for the "son" is given, how can Barack Obama Jr. (a.k.a. Barry Soetoro), say that he is indeed the infant mentioned in the Honolulu Advertiser?

6. Where did the birth actually take place, i.e. at which hospital?

7. Who was the attending physician / midwife?



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Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 02:23:24 AM
Ill try to find that.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 03:50:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M7Rp_Ghv6k


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 03:50:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SebxDwji__I


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 03:57:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSHsrSPatoQ



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 03:59:31 AM
Q F T

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxL1HuoQSHQ


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 04:52:44 AM
Trump’s disgusting, dangerous dance with birthers
The Washington Post's Post Partisan ^ | April 7, 2011 | Jonathan Capehart




Donald Trump (Birther-N.Y.) is at it again. In double-barrelled interviews on NBC’s “Today Show” and MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Trump continued his disgusting and dangerous dabbling in the disproved conspiracy theory that President Obama was not born in the United States. This might be good for the ratings of his television show. This might even be good for his business. But it is terrible for the nation and public discourse that someone who claims to be so smart is so willing to perpetuate a lie.

(VIDEO AT LINK)

Alex Koppelman snipped this strand of the conspiracy in Dec. 2008 and again in July 2009. And he’ll most likely have to do it again now that Trump has embraced the fallacy with both hands. This all stemmed from a interview of Sarah Obama, the second wife of the president’s grandfather, by Ron McRae, a street preacher, through a translator over the phone. As Koppelman reported in 2009, “Sarah Obama is not the president’s biological grandmother, but he calls her ‘Granny Sarah.’”

In a clear lost-in-translation moment (and over an international phone line), which you can listen to in full here, Mrs. Obama said she was there for her grandson’s birth. When McRae asks where in Mombassa the president was born, the translator, Vitalis Akech Ogombe, repeatedly corrected him....


(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Freeborn126 on April 08, 2011, 05:07:13 AM
Q F T

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxL1HuoQSHQ

I love this video.  Alan Keyes sums up Obama to the T.  Obama's endgame has always been to destroy the sovereignty of the U.S.  Just look how he goes to the U.N. for approval before going to his own elected congress. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 05:30:45 AM
THE BOTTOM LINE:

This report explains the context of the oft cited debate, between Obama and Keyes in the following Fall, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a “natural born citizen”, and in which Obama, by his quick retort, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency”, self-admitted that he was not eligible for the office.

THAT would be the smoking gun, my friend.

33, where is this senate debate video?  it's from 2004, right?  Obama's own words would completely end his 2012 chances.

Why have you, and none of your fellow CTers, been able to find a simple national senate debate from just 7 years ago, which would prove he wasn't born here (in his own words)?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 05:33:20 AM
THE BOTTOM LINE:

THAT would be the smoking gun, my friend.

33, where is this senate debate video?  it's from 2004, right?  Obama's own words would completely end his 2012 chances.

Why have you, and none of your fellow CTers, been able to find a simple national senate debate from just 7 years ago, which would prove he wasn't born here (in his own words)?



i'm looking for it - apparently it was caught on film before or right after.      I'm tryig to dig it up. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 05:37:25 AM
Additionally, it should be a lot more than just the AP reporting on it.  A national debate for a senate job between two black candidates, following a huge jack Ryan scandal... Obama being an up-and-comer set for the keynote speech, and Keyes fresh off running for President and having his own MSNBC show...

I'd be shocked if you couldn't find that transcript, at the very least.  Hell, it might be on youtube.  I actually thought your article was BS, as it's just such a made-for-birthers quote.  I mean, obama's own smug repsonse being his own admission he can't have the job - it would be HUGE HUGE HUGE.

Why are people arguing about COLBs when obama's own words here would be plenty?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 06:41:54 AM
This one or one of these?
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/184058-1 (http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/184058-1)



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 06:53:50 AM
Or this:
http://www.keyesarchives.com/transcript.php?id=367 (http://www.keyesarchives.com/transcript.php?id=367)

Or maybe here?
http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm)



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 08:05:56 AM
Oh great, this is NOT in the transcripts.


This report explains the context of the oft cited debate, between Obama and Keyes in the following Fall, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a “natural born citizen”, and in which Obama, by his quick retort, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency”, self-admitted that he was not eligible for the office.


So it seems that alan keyes, the fiercest obama critic out there - is also "in on it".


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 08:28:05 AM
Oh great, this is NOT in the transcripts.


This report explains the context of the oft cited debate, between Obama and Keyes in the following Fall, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a “natural born citizen”, and in which Obama, by his quick retort, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency”, self-admitted that he was not eligible for the office.


So it seems that alan keyes, the fiercest obama critic out there - is also "in on it".

From what I understand is that the debate was edited and that part was taken out.  It became an issue when 2 witnesses came forward and said it happened.

This came out in 2009.  I think that because of this it may have been dismissed as hearsay and that's why it hasn't been a strong point for Birthers

Because you have to assume that if a video was available of Obama denying his NBC-ship the Birthers and 3333 would have been pimping that shit a while ago.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 08:28:49 AM
I read it was caught on camera right off the seor something. I'm trying to find it.  To be honest this was the first I ever heard of this.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 08:33:01 AM
I read it was caught on camera right off the seor something. I'm trying to find it.  To be honest this was the first I ever heard of this.



I'm am surprised about that considering all the research you been doing.  But if no actual clip can be shown its nothing but hearsay at the moment.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 08:39:53 AM
From what I understand is that the debate was edited and that part was taken out.  It became an issue when 2 witnesses came forward and said it happened.

The debate wasn't shown live?  Usually whenever I see a senate or gubernatorial debate on my TV, it is shown live.  

Smells weird they'd pull out such a memorable line, that nobody would have reported on it, and that nobody can find a copy of it.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 08:41:43 AM
We should find out who the witnesses were. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 08:47:58 AM
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/15/obama-concedes-hes-not-a-nbc-in-obama-vs-keyes-2004-debate/ (http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/15/obama-concedes-hes-not-a-nbc-in-obama-vs-keyes-2004-debate/)

Obama concedes he's not a NBC, in Obama vs. Keyes 2004 Debate
   

WITNESS COMES FORWARD, HISTORY OF INTERNET “RUMOUR” DOCUMENTED UPDATE: Oct. 21, 2009 — Second Witness Comes forward, gives testimony to The Post & Email by John Charlton (October 15, 2009) — It was a moment little noticed and soon forgotten; the import of it was not at that time understood; but the evidence that it [...]
      
WITNESS COMES FORWARD, HISTORY OF INTERNET “RUMOUR” DOCUMENTED

UPDATE: Oct. 21, 2009 — Second Witness Comes forward, gives testimony to The Post & Email

by John Charlton

(October 15, 2009) — It was a moment little noticed and soon forgotten; the import of it was not at that time understood; but the evidence that it did in fact occur is compelling. It occurred during the Obama vs. Alan Keyes debate shoot, when the actual video tape was being recorded by ABC’s Chicago Affiliate in the Fall of 2004.  It was never aired in Chicago, because the affiliate only aired the final cut; the raw footage was, as far as The Post & Email knows, aired only twice by C-Span in April and May of 2005.

The content of the short exchange has become legendary.  In a quick jab Keyes asserted definitively that Obama was not a natural born citizen, and Obama, manifestly caught off guard, conceded the fact.

This article will first, document the evidence still on the net regarding those individuals who claim to have witnessed the C-Span rebroadcast, and then will publish an email from one such witness, who is willing to swear an affidavit to the effect.  Other witnesses, who wish to contact The Post & Email can do so, so that their testimony on these facts can be published also.
The Internet “Rumor” which turned out to be the truth

On Nov.17.2008 @ 3:11 pm, at Attorney Leo Donofrio’s Blogtext blog, entitled “Natural Born Citizen”, it was first mentioned that:

    Also, Somebody from Chicago just contacted her and stated that during the Senatorial campaign there was a debate between Barack Obama and Dr. Keyes. This debate was videotaped. During the debate Dr. Keyes has stated :”You are not even a Natural born citizen” to which Barack Obama replied: “That’s OK, I am not running for president, I am only running for Senate.”

This same commenter posted again at Chicagoans Against Obama blog at 7:40 PM the same day.

On Nov. 25, 2008, at 6:42 PM, it is mentioned again at Stormfront:

    In search of — Debate during the Senatorial Campaign between Dr. Keyes and Obama in which was stated : “You are not even a Natural born citizen” to which Obama replied:” That’s o’k, I am not running for President, I am only running for Senate” – If anyone knows where this tape is located, please e-mail thepowerhour@thepowerhour.com THANKS.

A thread on this was opened at Free Republic on Dec. 2, 6:12 PM:

    // I was looking for a video that I ran across recently from the 2004 Keyes/Obama Senate race debates where Keyes stated :”You are not even a Natural born citizen” to which Barack Obama replied: “That’s OK, I am not running for president, I am only running for Senate.”

News of this exchange has since spread across the internet and been reported throughout the last year.
A Witness Steps Forward

Here is where the “rumor” is dispelled, and where the facts become real.

First the facts surrounding the case.  This interested citizen began reading and researching about Obama the day after Obama’s 2008 Election win.  He soon began reading the blog of Attorney Leo Donofrio, participating at the web-form which is now known as RestoreTheConstitutional Republic.org, and listening in to Plains Radio, which was an internet radio program out of Texas.

This citizen read reports of others who had seen this exchange. And then remembered that he himself had seen it.  This witness has now contacted The Post & Email and given his testimony, which is as follows:

    First, let me say that I was not able to vote in the 2004 presidential elections, because I was overseas on work.  So when I returned stateside in March of 2005, I wanted to inform myself as to what had been happening.

    In mid April, finding myself with a lot of spare time, I started watching C-Span on cable tv, from my home in the mornings.  When they announced that they were going to rebroadcast the Alan Keyes vs. Barack Obama debates, unedited, I was delighted, because I am an Alan Keyes fan.

    In the introduction to the rebroadcast of the debates, the C-Span host noted that C-Span had decided to air them because of the growing interest in Washington, D.C., in Barack Obama.  He also pointed out that C-Span was not airing the version seen in Chicago the previous fall, and which Keyes was  to distribute in diverse media on his website; that C-Span had requested from the TV station in Chicago the unedited tapes of the debate, and that only on C-Span would they be aired.

    I watched the entire first and second debates.  I distinctly remember that I had never heard of Obama; my interest was in seeing what Keyes said about the pro-life issue and school vouchers.

    At one point in the second debate, Keyes, accused Obama saying, “You are not even a natural born citizen!”

    To which Obama immediately replied, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency.”

    At the end of the airing of the second debate, the C-Span host noted, as he read from a single sheet of paper, placed before him, that the Obama Campaign had contacted them and requested them to point out to their viewers that Obama’s response here should not be understood as a denial that he is a natural born citizen, only that Keyes’ accusation had nothing to do with the qualifications of office of a U.S. Senator.

    I distinctly remember my dismay at Obama’s response, at that time, concerned why he called the office he was running for “Illinois” senator, but did not call the U.S. Presidency with any distinctive adjective.

    I subsequently spoke with Alan Keyes, one evening, by phone, when he appeared on Plains Radio:, in January, I think. I asked him about this exchange; he said he did not remember it; but he did not deny it took place.

The Post & Email notes, that Obama’s response is more telling than it first appears; because you’d expect him to respond, affirming that he is a “natural born citizen”, or at least in saying, “I am running for U.S. Senator from Illinois, not the U.S. Presidency”. This seems to indicate that Obama was emotionally recoiling from this direct question; a question any natural born citizen ought never to have feared.  It certainly seems that Obama knows he is not a natural born citizen, which qualification requires that one be “born in the country of parents who are citizens” of the same (de Vattel, The Law of Nations).

The witness also informs The Post & Email that he is willing to sign and swear to an affidavit regarding what he has communicated above.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 08:54:24 AM
Wow! 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 08:57:59 AM
And I posted that!   ;D


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 09:01:22 AM
Just so you know, I see a couple of problems here and it's probably why the Birther movement isn't pounding the drum as hard as they should.

1.  No actual video has surfaced yet
2.  With no video it's hearsay
3.  Obama doesn't  directly say it when taken in context.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 09:04:07 AM
Just so you know, I see a couple of problems here and it's probably why the Birther movement isn't pounding the drum as hard as they should.

1.  No actual video has surfaced yet
2.  With no video it's hearsay
3.  Obama doesn't  directly say it when taken in context.

Yeah but its just like the "My Muslim Faith"  moment.   Leaves a ton o questions.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 09:07:38 AM
Yeah but its just like the "My Muslim Faith"  moment.   Leaves a ton o questions.   

We also have to remember that with out a teleprompter Obama is lost.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 09:08:00 AM
" the raw footage was, as far as The Post & Email knows, aired only twice by C-Span in April and May of 2005."

The keyes team no doubt VCR'd it right from the C-Span showing.  I'm sure lots of reporters and pundits did too.  

There are copies of it floating around.  hell, CSPAN keeps copies of everything they air.  They have it too.




LOL... contact them, 33... offer to buy it.  :)

I bet you'll hear that same response the BBC said about their 911 footage.  You know, the most important day in news history?  After video emerged of a BBC reporter saying WTC7 had fallen (while it stood in the background), the BBC was contacted by many people for a copy of the footage that day.  Their answer - in this era of hard copy backups, computers, and everything else - was that THEY LOST IT.  They called it a 'cock up' and said they lost all the video from 9/11.

Reminds me of that.  I bet CSPAN had an 'accidental flooding' or 'electrical fire' which specifically destroyed the Keyes debate.  God, people are so fcking stupid :)



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 09:09:32 AM
" the raw footage was, as far as The Post & Email knows, aired only twice by C-Span in April and May of 2005."

The keyes team no doubt VCR'd it right from the C-Span showing.  I'm sure lots of reporters and pundits did too.  

There are copies of it floating around.  hell, CSPAN keeps copies of everything they air.  They have it too.




LOL... contact them, 33... offer to buy it.  :)

I bet you'll hear that same response the BBC said about their 911 footage.  You know, the most important day in news history?  After video emerged of a BBC reporter saying WTC7 had fallen (while it stood in the background), the BBC was contacted by many people for a copy of the footage that day.  Their answer - in this era of hard copy backups, computers, and everything else - was that THEY LOST IT.  They called it a 'cock up' and said they lost all the video from 9/11.

Reminds me of that.  I bet CNN had an 'accidental flooding' or 'electrical fire' which specifically destroyed the Keyes debate.  God, people are so fcking stupid :)



240 - what do you think of Ozmo's article on this?  I'm emailing it to Trump today.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 09:15:36 AM
i think it's 2 years old, and if Trump has people 'on the ground' doing detective work, he probably already had this info a week ago. 

and if there is any beef to this birth cert issue  (I think there is, but I don't trust people for shit and believe some other CTs that you dont), i'm guessing Trump has far better material already.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 09:18:02 AM
If he's holding a trump card then it may be a matter of timing for him to release it.  But i don't think he has.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 09:31:29 AM
If he's holding a trump card then it may be a matter of timing for him to release it.  But i don't think he has.

remember, this is Trump we're talking about.  He's the master of delivering material, keeping an audience, and biding his time.  he's done it marvelously in the past, and I doubt he'll be blowing his load making his case in a week if he can stretch it say, 13 weeks (the length of a tv season again?)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 09:38:22 AM
remember, this is Trump we're talking about.  He's the master of delivering material, keeping an audience, and biding his time.  he's done it marvelously in the past, and I doubt he'll be blowing his load making his case in a week if he can stretch it say, 13 weeks (the length of a tv season again?)

Plus, and this is just pure speculation on my part, it would be better to release "positive proof" in the middle of the republican primary a year from now so that he is seen as the candidate with foresight, patriotism and diligence.  if he releases it now, every Newt, Dick, and Mitt will just jump on it and make part of their campaign. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: FarRightLooney on April 08, 2011, 10:16:02 AM
I am a Birther. No if's, and's, or but's. Obama is not constitutionally eligible to the Office of President.

However, the exchange between Obama and Keyes did not happen.  For those who have followed this closely from the beginning (I have), this is a old rumor. Keyes has stated that he does not remember the exchange. Back when this rumor first surfaced a specific debate was cited. I have watched that debate from beginning to end (and all others with Keyes/Obama) - it is not there (no I didn't keep track if the video). The debate it was supposed to have occurred in focused on religion.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 08, 2011, 10:20:54 AM
And I posted that!   ;D

lol.  Uh oh.  Watch it Ozmo.   :D

(http://fermentation.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/06/27/tinfoil.jpg)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 10:22:21 AM
lol.  Uh oh.  Watch it Ozmo.   :D

(http://fermentation.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/06/27/tinfoil.jpg)


Beach - do you agree that obama's refusal to release his BC and other records at least adds fuel to this fire?   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 08, 2011, 10:22:54 AM
Rubio to Trump: Lay off birther issue
By: CNN Political Producer Alexander Mooney

Washington (CNN) - Sen. Marco Rubio, considered to be a rising star in the GOP, has some advice for Donald Trump:
Quit talking about all this birther stuff.

In an interview with the website Daily Caller, the freshman Florida Republican suggested Trump could be a force in the primaries because of his name recognition, but added the business mogul should stick to more weighty issues.

"I would suggest – if he asked for my opinion – not to focus so much on that issue," Rubio said. "There are more important things facing our country. I believe Barack Obama was born in the United States of America …So why are we talking about this?"

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/08/rubio-to-trump-lay-off-birther-issue/


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 08, 2011, 10:26:07 AM
Beach - do you agree that obama's refusal to release his BC and other records at least adds fuel to this fire?   

Sort of, but there isn't much of a fire.  He ought to just release it or confirm it doesn't exist.

But he could just be playing birthers to make them look silly.  Fast forward to summer 2012.  If the Republican nominee is talking about this, and it has already been established by the state that he was born in Hawaii, the nominee will look like a fool. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 10:30:49 AM
Sort of, but there isn't much of a fire.  He ought to just release it or confirm it doesn't exist.

But he could just be playing birthers to make them look silly.  Fast forward to summer 2012.  If the Republican nominee is talking about this, and it has already been established by the state that he was born in Hawaii, the nominee will look like a fool. 

I personally think at this point the SS issue is what he is petrified of.   The SS # issue seems like he is DOA on that which opens up a can of worms and he knows that will leads to a disaster for him.     


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 08, 2011, 10:36:55 AM
I personally think at this point the SS issue is what he is petrified of.   The SS # issue seems like he is DOA on that which opens up a can of worms and he knows that will leads to a disaster for him.     

How so?  What would be the problem if he has a different SSN?  (assuming he doesn't redact the SSN if any documents are released)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 10:38:36 AM
How so?  What would be the problem if he has a different SSN?  (assuming he doesn't redact the SSN if any documents are released)

He has a SS # for people born in CT!   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 08, 2011, 10:41:03 AM
He has a SS # for people born in CT!   

Who has proved this? 

Also, if he does have a different SSN, did he get it before turning 18?  If so, wouldn't his parents be the ones handling that? 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 10:51:45 AM
Who has proved this? 

Also, if he does have a different SSN, did he get it before turning 18?  If so, wouldn't his parents be the ones handling that? 

Read trough this thread.  The SS issue is deadly to obama   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 10:56:14 AM
Read trough this thread.  The SS issue is deadly to obama   

can u summarize the Soc security number issue in 4 sentences, instead of telling people to spend 5 hours reading? lol


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: blacken700 on April 08, 2011, 11:00:51 AM
Read trough this thread.  The SS issue is deadly to obama   

waste of time, going no where, smart repubs will tell you to stick with the issues, 
crazy talk


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 11:02:09 AM
Who has proved this? 

Also, if he does have a different SSN, did he get it before turning 18?  If so, wouldn't his parents be the ones handling that? 

Look through this thread.  even Cashill has exposed this fraud   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 11:06:06 AM
waste of time, going no where, smart repubs will tell you to stick with the issues, 
crazy talk

Blacken are you a truther?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 11:11:45 AM
The Ss # issue is still beyod comprehension. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 11:26:19 AM
It's a 22 page thread,  you cant just post a summary?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 11:28:57 AM
It's a 22 page thread,  you cant just post a summary?


simple - only people born in Connecticut get a  "042" as the beginning of their SS #.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 11:33:32 AM
That's actually not true. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 11:34:07 AM
That's actually not true. 

source?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 11:42:34 AM
I could tell you to tell you to research it yourself   :D

but if i wasn't willing to go back and read through 22 pages of this thread i can't expect you to either. 

here ya go:

http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html (http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html)

SSA logo: link to Social Security Online home
Social Security Numbers
The SSN Numbering Scheme
     

Number Has Three Parts

The nine-digit SSN is composed of three parts:

    * The first set of three digits is called the Area Number
    * The second set of two digits is called the Group Number
    * The final set of four digits is the Serial Number

Area Number

The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.

Generally, numbers were assigned beginning in the northeast and moving westward. So people on the east coast have the lowest numbers and those on the west coast have the highest numbers.

Note: One should not make too much of the "geographical code." It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information. The numbering scheme was designed in 1936 (before computers) to make it easier for SSA to store the applications in our files in Baltimore since the files were organized by regions as well as alphabetically. It was really just a bookkeeping device for our own internal use and was never intended to be anything more than that.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 11:43:47 AM
Ha ha ha ha ha -  read the first post in this thread!   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 11:44:20 AM
I never go to the first post after posting and some 22 pages.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 11:45:11 AM
But here's a question for you, 33333:


When did Obama apply for that SSN you are talking about?



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 11:45:53 AM
I never go to the first post after posting and some 22 pages.

Obama's SS is a fake.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 11:54:28 AM
Obama's SS is a fake.   

Explain to me why its a fake, because so far, you haven't said anything here but made a claim.

I, on the other hand, have shown that the numbering system you assume indicates which state is not true.


and please answer the question i asked.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 11:57:38 AM
Explain to me why its a fake, because so far, you haven't said anything here but made a claim.

I, on the other hand, have shown that the numbering system you assume indicates which state is not true.


and please answer the question i asked.

The SS number he has is for people who live in CT andin fact is sequenced with a guy named "Wood" with a birth in 1890.  There is no one living HA with a SS number starting with 042 - plus there are 16 other numbers traced to obama where he has traveled.   



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:00:18 PM
The SS number he has is for people who live in CT andin fact is sequenced with a guy named "Wood" with a birth in 1890.  There is no one living HA with a SS number starting with 042 - plus there are 16 other numbers traced to obama where he has traveled.   



thanks 3333, we will get to the "Wood" thing in a little bit.  First let's stay on this SSN thing starting with 042.

When did Obama apply for a SSN card that gave him that number?  Do you know?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 12:02:23 PM
thanks 3333, we will get to the "Wood" thing in a little bit.  First let's stay on this SSN thing starting with 042.

When did Obama apply for a SSN card that gave him that number?  Do you know?

I have no idea on that.     


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:06:23 PM
I have no idea on that.     

Well you should find out.  After all aren't you interested in the truth?  If you are really interested in the truth and not you political agenda which has been marinated in hate for Obama, you find that out wouldn't you?

Well today is your lucky day!

I found out for you!

He applied for it in 1977.

Do you know where he applied for the SSN from?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 12:08:20 PM
Well you should find out.  After all aren't you interested in the truth?  If you are really interested in the truth and not you political agenda which has been marinated in hate for Obama, you find that out wouldn't you?

Well today is your lucky day!

I found out for you!

He applied for it in 1977.

Do you know where he applied for the SSN from?

Why would someone apply for a SS 16 years after their birth if they were born in the USA?   That is ridiculous beyond explanation.     


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 12:11:32 PM
Well you should find out.  After all aren't you interested in the truth?  If you are really interested in the truth and not you political agenda which has been marinated in hate for Obama, you find that out wouldn't you?

33 seeks any truth which will boot obama out of office.

outside of that, i dunno...........


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 12:13:59 PM
33 seeks any truth which will boot obama out of office.

outside of that, i dunno...........

If Bama was born in 1961 as advertisied by his cultish lemmings, he would have a SS # from 1961 originating from HA in line with HA SS #.  sorry - even the most devoted obamadildo cant spin this.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:16:18 PM
Why would someone apply for a SS 16 years after their birth if they were born in the USA?   That is ridiculous beyond explanation.    

Not at all.

I was born in 1965.  I got my SSN when i was 15 or 16.  From what i understand, it wasn't something parents did until the tax code required dependents to have SSN which i do not know when that happened.  It had to happen sometime before 1988 because my daughter was issued one.

With some good research you should be able to find that out.  I'll will look too.


Now back to my question:

Do you know where he applied for the SSN from?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:17:22 PM
Just bear with me guys you'll love this, I promise.


where did Obama apply for his SSN from?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 12:18:27 PM
Not at all.

I was born in 1965.  I got my SSN when i was 15 or 16.  From what i understand, it wasn't something parents did until the tax code required dependents to have SSN which i do not know when that happened.  It had to happen sometime before 1988 because my daughter was issued one.

With some good research you be able to find that out.  I'll will look too.


Now back to my question:

Do you know where he applied for the SSN from?


Lets assume you are correct.  In 1977 he would be 16.   Why was he in CT at that time?   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:21:27 PM

Lets assume you are correct.  In 1977 he would be 16.   Why was he in CT at that time?    

He wasn't there,  I have already shown that the 042 is not indicative of a state as per the US governemnt,

now,  

Do you know where he applied for his SSN from?

PS: I am correct about the SSN being issued that way beck then.






Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 12:23:01 PM
He wasn't there,  I have already shown that the 042 is not indicative of a state as per the US governemnt,

now, 

Do you know where he applied for his SSN from?



Yes it is!   042 is from people born in CT.   When I give my  "127" number everyone knows I am from the Bronx.    This is another Obama scam.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 12:25:57 PM
Update From Meeting At The Trump Tower Regarding Obama's Usurpation of the Presidency...
Obama Release Your Records ^ | April 08, 2011 | Obama Release Your Records





I just got word of the details from today's meeting with Donald Trump and several people involved in the "birther" movement. Gary from Give Us Liberty has provided a quick summary of what went on at the meeting...

We just heard from our fellow patriot who attended the Trump meeting. "IT COULD NOT HAVE GONE BETTER!" Trump was fully engaged and asked questions. On issues that he was unclear he asked the various members of the Arizona delegation to do get the information and documentation to him as soon as possible. The meeting lasted 30 minutes.

There were many media out in the hallway. The media were not allowed in the meeting which was attended by Trump and his Assistant Michael Cohen and the three members of the Arizona delegation. Trump indicated that he fully supports the Arizona eligibility legislation and he pledged a visit to Arizona very soon!

Trump gave every indication that he moving forward with his investigation re: "Obama".


(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords. blogspot.com ...


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:27:53 PM
Yes it is!   042 is from people born in CT.   When I give my  "127" number everyone knows I am from the Bronx.    This is another Obama scam.   

So basically 33333, you don't know where he applied from.


Look buddy, just let go of your emotional hate for a few minutes. 

and remember this:

Area Number

The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 12:28:07 PM
Attendee at Trump Meeting: “It Couldn’t Have Gone Any Better” (re: Obama & natural born Citizen's)
www.thepostemail.com ^ | 4/8/2011 | Sharon Rondeau




"Attendee at Trump Meeting: “It Couldn’t Have Gone Any Better”

A citizen reporter for The Post & Email.. said that the source reported that “It couldn’t have gone any better.”

Reporter: Trump gave them > 30 minutes. WorldNetDaily had been patched in somehow and apparently had been privy to what was going on. Also, there were a lot of media outside ..



Reporter: Rep. Carl Seel, Jeff, & Kelly, who represented a tea party group. ..Trump didn’t seem to know about the “natural born Citizen” issue at all. He gave Jeff homework by saying, “I want to know everything about ‘natural born Citizen,’ and I want to know about these reports from Kenya when members of the Kenyan Parliament had talked about Obama having been born there.”



Reporter: .. He has made a pledge that he will to to Arizona in the summer. He fully supports the Arizona eligibility bill..I was told that the primary topics of the meeting were the Arizona eligibility bill and Obama’s eligibility.

There was no follow-up meeting scheduled. When they came out of the meeting, Rep. Carl Seel spoke to the press. However, Jeff was assured that some “good stuff” was shared with the press. As they were leaving, Theresa Cao said something to Jeff, who was trying to figure out who she was. He asked her, “Are you Theresa Cao?” and she said, “Yes, I am.”

The Post & Email: Did you say that Arizona Governor Jan Brewer was invited but was unable to go?

Reporter: .. We were informed and believe that Gov. Brewer was unable to attend.



Trump was engaged, asked questions and asked people to get information for him. He clearly showed that he wants to know more..."


(Excerpt) Read more at thepostemail.com ...


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:28:31 PM
so now are you ready to find out this happened or what?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 12:28:57 PM
So basically 33333, you don't know where he applied from.


Look buddy, just let go of your emotional hate for a few minutes.  

and remember this:

Area Number

The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.


 ::)   There is no one else in HA even with an 042 nomber!  Yeah - Barry is the one exception - got it.


His SS is a fake - everyone gets a SS at or near birth.  Mine starts with 127 and shows clearly I was born in the Bronx, NY.   Investigators have looke at this and it is clearly a sham by obama.             


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:29:11 PM
Or are you just back to your cut and paste cowardly bull shit?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:29:57 PM

 ::)

chill man,  its part of the story,  and that's from the US government


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:30:45 PM
I promise this is great stuff,  but you can't have a cut and paste meltdown, ok?


Do you know where he applied for his SSN number from?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 08, 2011, 12:31:08 PM

Now back to my question:

Do you know where he applied for the SSN from?

O.K.  The suspense is killing me.   :)  Where did he apply from?  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:32:09 PM
You love this BEach  I am telling you, you love it!



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 12:32:18 PM
Or are you just back to your cut and paste cowardly bull shit?

No - by his own statements he never stepped foot into the 48 states until he wa 18 y/o for college at occidental.  how could he have possibly applied for a SS from CT at 16 y/o?   This should be good.    


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 12:33:41 PM
Or are you just back to your cut and paste cowardly bull shit?

No - I will update this thread like I do others with articles s they appear.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:35:06 PM
No - by his own statements he never stepped foot into the 48 states until he wa 18 y/o for college at occidental.  how could he have possibly applied for a SS from CT at 16 y/o?   This should be good.    

i never said he applied from Conn.


He apply from:  Beretania Street where he lived in Hawaii prior to getting a job at basken robbins

do you know what zip code it was then?   96814


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:35:44 PM
No - I will update this thread like I do others with articles s they appear.   

Calm down 33333.   Look at my post and comment.... 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 12:36:19 PM
i never said he applied from Conn.


He apply from:  Beretania Street where he lived in Hawaii prior to getting a job at basken robbins

do you know what zip code it was then?   96814


ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!   and what SS # di he use in filling out the app for employment?   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:36:53 PM

ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!   and what SS # di he use in filling out the app for employment?   

Key word here is "prior"


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:44:23 PM
Before I lower the boom, let's review and add:

1.  SSN's, by the admission of the http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html (http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html) does not issue numbers based on "area numbers" the first 3 digits of a SSN: 

Quote
Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.

2.  Obama did live in Hawaii and attended school there form 5th grade until graduating in 1979.  http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html (http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html)

3.  He applied for an SSN in 1977 PRIOR to getting a job at baskins robbins.

4.  The zip form the address he applied form was:  96814

5.  People applied via hand written mail back then.



Ready for number "6" or is it that it doesn't matter because you right and i am wrong and Obama is a Marxist devil destroying the country blah blah blah?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 12:44:32 PM
Key word here is "prior"

yeah  - and when he went to apply for a SS number at 16 y/o what docs did he present?   The unsigned, no doc, no hospital, no date, no time, 2007 Colb?   Ha ha ha ha ha Lol!!!!!


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:45:35 PM
Before I lower the boom, let's review and add:

1.  SSN's, by the admission of the http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html (http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html) does not issue numbers based on "area numbers" the first 3 digits of a SSN: 

2.  Obama did live in Hawaii and attended school there form 5th grade until graduating in 1979.  http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html (http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html)

3.  He applied for an SSN in 1977 PRIOR to getting a job at baskins robbins.

4.  The zip form the address he applied form was:  96814

5.  People applied via hand written mail back then.



Ready for number "6" or is it that it doesn't matter because you right and i am wrong and Obama is a Marxist devil destroying the country blah blah blah?


Bump


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 12:46:07 PM
Before I lower the boom, let's review and add:

1.  SSN's, by the admission of the http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html (http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html) does not issue numbers based on "area numbers" the first 3 digits of a SSN: 

2.  Obama did live in Hawaii and attended school there form 5th grade until graduating in 1979.  http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html (http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html)

3.  He applied for an SSN in 1977 PRIOR to getting a job at baskins robbins.

4.  The zip form the address he applied form was:  96814

5.  People applied via hand written mail back then.



Ready for number "6" or is it that it doesn't matter because you right and i am wrong and Obama is a Marxist devil destroying the country blah blah blah?


Utter bullshit because the overwhelming nuimber of people with 042 are from CT and there are no people from HA eith that number rom 1961.  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 08, 2011, 12:46:23 PM


4.  The zip form the address he applied form was:  96814



Doh.  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:48:15 PM
yeah  - and when he went to apply for a SS number at 16 y/o what docs did he present?   The unsigned, no doc, no hospital, no date, no time, 2007 Colb?   Ha ha ha ha ha Lol!!!!!

Its too bad.  You are a pretty smart guy, but your hatred has compromised your objectivity.  If we don't have that what do we have?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:49:38 PM
Utter bullshit because the overwhelming nuimber of people with 042 are from CT and there are no people from HA eith that number rom 1961.  

Not at all. 

But that's not all.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: blacken700 on April 08, 2011, 12:50:50 PM
Before I lower the boom, let's review and add:

1.  SSN's, by the admission of the http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html (http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html) does not issue numbers based on "area numbers" the first 3 digits of a SSN:  

2.  Obama did live in Hawaii and attended school there form 5th grade until graduating in 1979.  http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html (http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html)

3.  He applied for an SSN in 1977 PRIOR to getting a job at baskins robbins.

4.  The zip form the address he applied form was:  96814

5.  People applied via hand written mail back then.



Ready for number "6" or is it that it doesn't matter because you right and i am wrong and Obama is a Marxist devil destroying the country blah blah blah?



NICE JOB HOW LONG DID THAT TAKE YOU


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:51:18 PM
Remember in 1977, people inputted info, they weren't scanned like today.


#6


The zip code for Danbury, CT. was 06814


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 12:51:58 PM
Not at all. 

But that's not all.

Really?  Show me one person born in 1961 in HA given a 042 SS number?  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:52:50 PM


1.  SSN's, by the admission of the http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html (http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html) does not issue numbers based on "area numbers" the first 3 digits of a SSN: 

2.  Obama did live in Hawaii and attended school there form 5th grade until graduating in 1979.  http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html (http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html)

3.  He applied for an SSN in 1977 PRIOR to getting a job at baskins robbins.

4.  The zip form the address he applied form was:  96814

5.  People applied via hand written mail back then.

6.  The zip code for Danbury, CT. was 06814




Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 12:53:21 PM
Remember in 1977, people inputted info, they weren't scanned like today.


#6


The zip code for Danbury, CT. was 06814

Ok - and why was Obama in Danbury in 1977 to apply for his SS number considering he claims the first time he himself stepped foot in the lower 48 was when he was 18 y/o?    


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:53:35 PM

1.  SSN's, by the admission of the http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html (http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html) does not issue numbers based on "area numbers" the first 3 digits of a SSN: 

2.  Obama did live in Hawaii and attended school there form 5th grade until graduating in 1979.  http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html (http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html)

3.  He applied for an SSN in 1977 PRIOR to getting a job at baskins robbins.

4.  The zip form the address he applied form was:  96814

5.  People applied via hand written mail back then.

6.  The zip code for Danbury, CT. was 06814




Rub it flip it, throw it down  oh noooooooooooooooo!


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 12:54:39 PM
Remember in 1977, people inputted info, they weren't scanned like today.


#6


The zip code for Danbury, CT. was 06814

So it could have just been simply mixing up a 0 and a 9 on the typewriter?

Sounds like a pinky finger slip.  And obama has been accused of being a commie pinko bastard.  The pieces are starting to fit...


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:54:48 PM
Ok - and why was Obama in Danbury in 1977 to apply for his SS number considering he claims the first time he himself stepped foot in the lower 48 was when he was 18 y/o?    


Look at the numbers and sing that Sesame Street song.........


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:56:02 PM
Here's a follow up question:

On the typewriter  are the "0" and "9" located near each other and are they pressed with a pinky?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 12:56:15 PM
Rub it flip it, throw it down  oh noooooooooooooooo!


What does that prove at all?   Nothing at all.  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1hheX7uTak


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 12:57:39 PM
So it could have just been simply mixing up a 0 and a 9 on the typewriter?

Sounds like a pinky finger slip.  And obama has been accused of being a commie pinko bastard.  The pieces are starting to fit...


 ;D


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 12:59:41 PM
33, as a CTer, your best bet is NOT to roll eyes and change subject.

Rather, you should realize it's possible that point is a mistake on some secretary's part - concede that point to Oz - then move on to one other point which may prove obama wasn't born here.

Don't spend hours arguing something once you realize it's a lost point.  Remember, you don't have to prove every lie - just ONE.  If there's one official lie in the record, then you win.  You don't have to find 100 mistakes.

Start with the book mistake - the pic of grandparents with the photosho lines - get Oz to concede it's probably a photoshop.  Oz, you game?  From there, 33, you as him to surmise the motivation for such a faked pic.  Then you give your theory, and how it fits into the bigger lie.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 12:59:46 PM
Here's a follow up question:

On the typewriter  are the "0" and "9" located near each other and are they pressed with a pinky?

Ha ha ha ha ha hah a!!!!   So now its all a Typo when on his own bullshit COLB list the o42 number.  I have really heard it all now.  Especially considering the number he used on ih selective service registration.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzJfkdwEty0  




Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 01:00:54 PM

What does that prove at all?   Nothing at all.  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1hheX7uTak


It destroyed the SSN conpriacy theory.  Provided a reasonable explanation highlighted by an incredible valid coincident.

You have no choice now but to either just stubbornly dispute it to save face or just agree you got nothing.  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 01:01:46 PM
or, 33, show a pattern of a dozen SS numbers - all off by 'one digit', and ask ozmo to compute the likelihood that 12 separate secretaries all made the 'pinky error' on them.

If it happened once, it's a poor mistake for a person to make, but it can happen.  If he was purposefully fudging a digit every time, that's some serious shit.

Which is it, cowboy?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 08, 2011, 01:03:13 PM

What does that prove at all?   Nothing at all.  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1hheX7uTak


That's a 40 minute clip.  Cliff's Notes? 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 01:03:43 PM
33, as a CTer, your best bet is NOT to roll eyes and change subject.

Rather, you should realize it's possible that point is a mistake on some secretary's part - concede that point to Oz - then move on to one other point which may prove obama wasn't born here.

Don't spend hours arguing something once you realize it's a lost point.  Remember, you don't have to prove every lie - just ONE.  If there's one official lie in the record, then you win.  You don't have to find 100 mistakes.

Start with the book mistake - the pic of grandparents with the photosho lines - get Oz to concede it's probably a photoshop.  Oz, you game?  From there, 33, you as him to surmise the motivation for such a faked pic.  Then you give your theory, and how it fits into the bigger lie.



You know me 240, i am game, and have conceded and admitted being mistaken often.

On this one particular point of the 042 SSN i think it's a pretty reasonable explanation.

Now about all the others....  I guess we can get there in the next few days or whatever..


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 01:03:58 PM
33, as a CTer, your best bet is NOT to roll eyes and change subject.

Rather, you should realize it's possible that point is a mistake on some secretary's part - concede that point to Oz - then move on to one other point which may prove obama wasn't born here.

Don't spend hours arguing something once you realize it's a lost point.  Remember, you don't have to prove every lie - just ONE.  If there's one official lie in the record, then you win.  You don't have to find 100 mistakes.

Start with the book mistake - the pic of grandparents with the photosho lines - get Oz to concede it's probably a photoshop.  Oz, you game?  From there, 33, you as him to surmise the motivation for such a faked pic.  Then you give your theory, and how it fits into the bigger lie.




Ha ha ha ha ha ha-  yeah - speculation is proof?  Funny, especially coming from OZ who champions himself as the board skeptic.  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 01:05:12 PM
Another FYI,  for 33333,

I would love nothing better to get that ASS HAT out of office.  But I can't allow myself to fall into fantasy about stuff like this.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 01:05:48 PM
It destroyed the SSN conpriacy theory.  Provided a reasonable explanation highlighted by an incredible valid coincident.

You have no choice now but to either just stubbornly dispute it to save face or just agree you got nothing.  

You offered an alternative theory which so far have never been offered by even obama himself for the fact that heis using a CT SS# number.   So your alleged debunking now admits to speculating that the clerk made a typo mistake?  Am I correct in your assertion?  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 01:07:09 PM

Ha ha ha ha ha ha-  yeah - speculation is proof?  Funny, especially coming from OZ who champions himself as the board skeptic.  

I like being a skeptic,  but i wouldn't call myself that.  Others here are far more skeptic about things than me.  Hell,  i believe in UFO's and little green men.  In fact, i even moderate a CT board.   :D


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 08, 2011, 01:08:52 PM
WOW that was awesome!  The SSN being blown up like that.  Epic work! 

333 why are you melting so badly?  Seriously dude get some objectivity already.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 01:09:43 PM
Especially considering the number he used on ih selective service registration.  

Tell us about that one - let's conceded the baskin robbins 9/0 typo.

What's this one about?  Another one-digit miss?  That would be a win for you, if he shows a pattern of minor fudging numbers.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 01:10:05 PM
I like being a skeptic,  but i wouldn't call myself that.  Others here are far more skeptic about things than me.  Hell,  i believe in UFO's and little green men.  In fact, i even moderate a CT board.   :D

No, I like debating with you since it ups my game.    I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this.   Additionally, like you you, we were both probabl given SS# at or near birth.   I really never heard of someone who was born in the USA never getting a SS until they were 17.  How did he register for HS?    


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 08, 2011, 01:10:53 PM
I like being a skeptic,  but i wouldn't call myself that.  Others here are far more skeptic about things than me.  Hell,  i believe in UFO's and little green men.  In fact, i even moderate a CT board.   :D

Yeah.  I'm probably a bigger skeptic than you.  

You're in good company with the little green men.  Are you Kucinich supporter?   :D


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 01:11:09 PM
is there a pattern of one-digit SS misses by obama?

that would be something interesting.  No way a series of secretaries all missed.

What is the comparison of the next actual/faked SS number zipcode?  the one for sel service.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 01:11:25 PM
Tell us about that one - let's conceded the baskin robbins 9/0 typo.

What's this one about?  Another one-digit miss?  That would be a win for you, if he shows a pattern of minor fudging numbers.

i'm not conceding anything.   Are you kidding?  So i am supposed to believe that Obama's refusal to release anything and all this nonsense is based on a clerical error by a clerk.   Yeah ok 240.    ::)  ::)  ::)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 01:13:49 PM
You offered an alternative theory which so far have never been offered by even obama himself for the fact that heis using a CT SS# number.   So your alleged debunking now admits to speculating that the clerk made a typo mistake?  Am I correct in your assertion?  


Do you know how many possibilities there are in 5 numbers with 10 variables each?  Isn't like 10 to the 5th power or something?  Isn't that like a million different numbers?  And those 2 are off by only 1 digit?  digit that are right next to each other.

On top of that, you have a lefty handwriting the address.   combined that with the other stuff i showed and it destroys your youtube and cut/patse blitz of over dramatic vids and over opinionated articles.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 01:15:50 PM
i'm not conceding anything.   Are you kidding?  So i am supposed to believe that Obama's refusal to release anything and all this nonsense is based on a clerical error by a clerk.   Yeah ok 240.    ::)  ::)  ::)

You are connecting to things that have nothing to do with each other except in the realms of a complete grand CT.

SSN is one issue

Birth records is another.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 01:16:50 PM
Yeah.  I'm probably a bigger skeptic than you.  

You're in good company with the little green men.  Are you Kucinich supporter?   :D

lol   i have never actually seen one. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 01:17:14 PM

Do you know how many possibilities there are in 5 numbers with 10 variables each?  Isn't like 10 to the 5th power or something?  Isn't that like a million different numbers?  And those 2 are off by only 1 digit?  digit that are right next to each other.

On top of that, you have a lefty handwriting the address.   combined that with the other stuff i showed and it destroys your youtube and cut/patse blitz of over dramatic vids and over opinionated articles.

Fucking nonsense.    99.9% of us were all given a SS# number at BIRTH that we all have and know and have used and can be traced to where we were born.  




Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 01:17:29 PM
i'm not conceding anything.   Are you kidding?  So i am supposed to believe that Obama's refusal to release anything and all this nonsense is based on a clerical error by a clerk.   Yeah ok 240.    ::)  ::)  ::)

it could have been him changing the # by one digit for some reason.  
it could have been a secretary.

you're a doggone lawyer- find a pattern, inspector gadget!




Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 01:20:35 PM
No, I like debating with you since it ups my game.    I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this.   Additionally, like you you, we were both probabl given SS# at or near birth.   I really never heard of someone who was born in the USA never getting a SS until they were 17.  How did he register for HS?    

i am too now trying to get to the bottom of this, thanks to you.   :)


Fucking nonsense.    99.9% of us were all given a SS# number at BIRTH that we all have and know and have used and can be traced to where we were born.  


That's incorrect.  Maybe now it is.  But not prior to 65.  i remember when my parents gave me my SSN card after it came in the mail.  They told me not lose it.   It was around when i was 15 or 16.  i knew i needed it to get a job.  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 01:23:13 PM
i am too now trying to get to the bottom of this, thanks to you.   :)

That's incorrect.  Maybe now it is.  But not prior to 65.  i remember when my parents gave me my SSN card after it came in the mail.  They told me not lose it.   It was around when i was 15 or 16.  i knew i needed it to get a job.  

I was born in 1975.   What happened between 1961 and 1975 that that situation changed?   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 01:31:22 PM
33,

on a lot of threads lately, you seem to let your emotion take over.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 01:41:22 PM
I was born in 1975.   What happened between 1961 and 1975 that that situation changed?   

well its not true you are issued a SSN at birth:

http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10023.html (http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10023.html)

   When you have a baby, one of the things that should be on your “to do” list is getting a Social Security number for your baby. The easiest time to do this is when you give information for your child’s birth certificate. If you wait to apply for a number at a Social Security office, there may be delays while we verify your child’s birth certificate.
     
 
   
Contents
Why should I get a number for my child?Skip content links
Must my child have a Social Security number?
How do I apply?
What if my child is adopted?
What does it cost?
What if I lose the card?
Social Security number misuse
Contacting Social Security
   
 
   
Why Should I Get A Number For My Baby?

You need a Social Security number to claim your child as a dependent on your income tax return. Your child also may need a number if you plan to:

    * Open a bank account for the child;
    * Buy savings bonds for the child;
    * Obtain medical coverage for the child; or
    * Apply for government services for the child.

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Must my child have a Social Security number?

No. Getting a Social Security number for your newborn is voluntary. But, it is  a good idea to get a number when your child is born. You can apply for a Social Security number for your baby when you apply for your baby’s birth certificate. The state agency that issues birth certificates will share your child’s information with us and we will mail the Social Security card to you.

If you wait to apply at a Social Security office, you must show us proof of your child’s U.S. citizenship, age and identity, as well as proof of your own identity. We must verify your child’s birth record, which can add up to 12 weeks to the time it takes to issue a card. To verify a birth certificate, Social Security will contact the office that issued it. We do this verification to prevent people from using fraudulent birth records to obtain Social Security numbers to establish false identities.






Side note:  So it would seem the BC was good enough for the SSA back then also.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 01:46:55 PM
Which my have likely been the long form you are talking about.

I remember mine.  It disintegrated about the time i turned 30.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 01:50:16 PM
Which my have likely been the long form you are talking about.

I remember mine.  It disintegrated about the time i turned 30.

Fine - but the state of Hawaii said they never lost any records from 1961 ans its all on microfiche.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 01:57:36 PM
Fine - but the state of Hawaii said they never lost any records from 1961 ans its all on microfiche.  

Yeah and Obama has spent millions blocking access to it.  I know.  He's likely hiding something.  I think its has to do with being a Muslim.

But when it comes to this Conn. SSN  there's nothing there.

When it comes to the BC, the fact that he was able to get a SSN in 1977 indicates he probably provided the a notarized copy of the long form as it was done back then.  Now its done differently.   This in its self supports among other things that he was born in the USA.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 02:02:03 PM
Yeah and Obama has spent millions blocking access to it.  I know.  He's likely hiding something.  I think its has to do with being a Muslim.

But when it comes to this Conn. SSN  there's nothing there.

When it comes to the BC, the fact that he was able to get a SSN in 1977 indicates he probably provided the a notarized copy of the long form as it was done back then.  Now its done differently.   This in its self supports among other things that he was born in the USA.

i'm not saying he was defniately born outside of the USA, but I believe his religion, named father, race, and other matters are still up for debate and speculaton as listed on the longform BC.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 08, 2011, 02:02:39 PM
i'm not saying he was defniately born outside of the USA, but I believe his religion, named father, race, and other matters are still up for debate and speculaton as listed on the longform BC.   

None of that shit makes it illegal to be President... Which is what this whole thing was supposed to be about.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 02:05:12 PM
None of that shit makes it illegal to be President... Which is what this whole thing was supposed to be about.

There is a poster on this board called Farright looney who posted more details on this.   

But there is an issue as far as NBC status goes in relation to the state of Hawaii and the fact that the parent had to be there for like 10 years to confer NBC status.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 02:05:41 PM
None of that shit makes it illegal to be President... Which is what this whole thing was supposed to be about.

BINGO.

Birther = obama's birth not legit to be president.

Birther does NOT = Obama's birth cert might say muslim.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 02:06:48 PM
i'm not saying he was defniately born outside of the USA, but I believe his religion, named father, race, and other matters are still up for debate and speculaton as listed on the longform BC.   

I agree,  but isn't the Birther issue really about Obama not  being a NBC and thus can not be president?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 02:08:34 PM
There is a poster on this board called Farright looney who posted more details on this.   

But there is an issue as far as NBC status goes in relation to the state of Hawaii and the fact that the parent had to be there for like 10 years to confer NBC status.   
Sorry. For the confusion. Is he saying Obama is a anchor baby?  Lol


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 02:08:34 PM
240 = true birther to see if obama has legit right to hold office.

33 = partisan birther wanting to see document for anything to undermine or embarass obama.  anything rush can use to call him a bastard, a muslim, or make fun of his deceased parents on a daily basis.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 02:08:42 PM
I agree,  but isn't the Birther issue really about Obama not  being a NBC and thus can not be president?

well - I guess its also about the whole media created image of obama as being false since he came out of nowhere and was sold to the public based on nothing and people trying to now figure out where everything was wrong and how far badly they were duped.  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 02:09:30 PM
240 = true birther to see if obama has legit right to hold office.

33 = partisan birther wanting to see document for anything to undermine or embarass obama.  anything rush can use to call him a bastard, a muslim, or make fun of his deceased parents on a daily basis.

 ;D


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 08, 2011, 02:10:46 PM
well - I guess its also about the whole media created image of obama as being false since he came out of nowhere and was sold to the public based on nothing and people trying to now figure out where everything was wrong and how far badly they were duped.  

this is sad, man.

you're not about protecting the presidency from foreign alien.

you're about doing whatever you can to embarass obama.

No wonder the 911 skeptics got so much hazing - many of them were just like you.  They bashed bush, they loved the 911 topic cause it made bush look bad.  Me, i was a 2x bush voter, and anyone who posted here from 2000 to 2005 KNOWS it.  The 911 stuff came from my desire to learn the truth, not smear a particular party.  My disgust for the neocons came later.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 02:11:21 PM
well - I guess its also about the whole media created image of obama as being false since he came out of nowhere and was sold to the public based on nothing and people trying to now figure out where everything was wrong and how far badly they were duped.  

You don't remember this guy opening the DNC in 2004?  They were talking about him being pres. some day.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 02:15:13 PM
You don't remember this guy opening the DNC in 2004?  They were talking about him being pres. some day.

Sorry - someone giving a 18 minute speech is total bullshit.   

Again - just we dont lose sight. 

________________________ ________________________ ________

OBAMA RECORDS NOT RELASED: 

Passport records, Obama kindergarten records, Punahou School records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, University of Chicago scholarly articles, Illinois State Bar Association records, Illinois State Senate records/schedules(said to be lost), Medical records, Obama/Dunham marriage license, Obama/Dunham divorce documents, Soetoro/Dunham marriage license, Adoption records and of course the long-form Certificate of Live Birth.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 08, 2011, 02:18:53 PM
Yep. I know.

But as stated earlier there's nothing to the conn ssn thing and it only supports the BC thing.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: andreisdaman on April 08, 2011, 02:27:25 PM
well - I guess its also about the whole media created image of obama as being false since he came out of nowhere and was sold to the public based on nothing and people trying to now figure out where everything was wrong and how far badly they were duped.  

Obama sold himself to the public due to his effectiive campaign and Hillary's inept campaign...the media had nothing to do with it..Hillary thought she had the nomination locked up after super tuesday and didn't go all out...Obama kept pressing on and won something like 13 primaries and caucauses in a row...thats why he won....give the guy credit for outworking Hillary..Geeeezzzzzz


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 02:30:12 PM
Obama sold himself to the public due to his effectiive campaign and Hillary's inept campaign...the media had nothing to do with it..Hillary thought she had the nomination locked up after super tuesday and didn't go all out...Obama kept pressing on and won something like 13 primaries and caucauses in a row...thats why he won....give the guy credit for outworking Hillary..Geeeezzzzzz

Absolutely not.   I will give him credit for being a great liar and guilting whites into votng for him.  ill give him that for sure.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 08, 2011, 03:01:45 PM
Obama's aunt furious Trump questions his birthplace
Sunbeam Television Corp - WHDH-TV ^ | April 8, 2011



BOSTON -- Donald Trump created controversy, questioning whether President Barack Obama was born in this country. Now the President's aunt is saying Trump is insulting her family.

“He was born in Honolulu, Hawaii,”” said Zeituni Onyango.


(Excerpt) Read more at 1.whdh.com ...


________________________ ________________________ __


She probaby is afraid of getting kicked off welfare and out of public housing. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: andreisdaman on April 09, 2011, 12:52:04 PM
Absolutely not.   I will give him credit for being a great liar and guilting whites into votng for him.  ill give him that for sure.   

well..this shows that you are essentially crazy and like arguing with yourself..what else is new..you won't acknowledge reality


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 09, 2011, 01:45:02 PM
Obama was pretty slick with his campaign, he came out of nowhere and toppled Hillary with his community organizing skills.....  Wasn't you 333333 who compared him to Stalin because Stalin was a community Organizer too? Lol


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 09, 2011, 01:53:05 PM
Among many others I'm sure. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 10, 2011, 09:31:49 AM
Trump talks birthers, White House adviser predicts his failure
By: CNN Associate Producer Gabriella Schwarz

Washington (CNN) - Real estate mogul Donald Trump kept up his birther blasts Sunday, while one White House adviser hoped his stock continues to rise.

Appearing on CNN’s “State of the Union,” Trump called the situation surrounding President Obama’s birth certificate “very strange,” lamenting the negative connotation attached to “birthers.”

“The fact is nobody has any information. And his people in the United States don’t even know which hospital. His relatives don’t even know which hospital he was born in,” Trump told CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley. “It’s a very strange situation, that’s all I can tell you. And you know, it’s a very sad thing because the people, the birthers, they got labeled and they got labeled so negatively and even the word birther is a negative word.”

In 2008, the Obama campaign released a copy of the certificate, saying the serial number was blacked out for concern over Hawaiian procedure. Since then, many news organizations and the Annenberg Fact Check Project saw the original with the serial number, an embossed seal and a stamped signature.

But that remains insufficient for the “Celebrity Apprentice” star who again said: “Why doesn’t he show is birth certificate,” before insisting he’d rather talk about other issues facing the United States.
“I don’t like to talk about this issue too much, because I really would rather talk about China, I would really rather talk about what OPEC is doing to destroy us, I would really rather talk about other things,” Trump said.

While the potential 2012 presidential contender continues to make the television rounds with his new mantra, White House senior adviser David Plouffe dismissed Trump’s rhetoric, saying it would not impact the overall 2012 race for the White House.

“There may be a small part of the country that believes these things, but mainstream America thinks it’s a sideshow,” Plouffe said on ABC’s “This Week” Sunday. “That’s not leadership, that’s a kind of a sideshow behavior.”

Plouffe also predicted a negative future for Trump in the presidential field.

“I saw Donald Trump kind of rising in the polls. Given his behavior, and the spectacle of the last couple weeks, I hope he keeps on rising,” Plouffe said. “There is zero chance that Donald Trump would ever be hired by the American people to do this job.”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/10/trump-talks-birthers-white-house-adviser-predicts-his-failure/#more-153746


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 10, 2011, 10:51:50 AM
I think this Birther thing is going to fizzle out.  Just looking at it deeper myself, it's very unlikely he wasn't born here.  Especially considering that he applied for his SSN in 1977.  Begging the question:  What birth certificate was shown then? 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 10, 2011, 11:19:20 AM
That won't make it fade at all.  That will make the story snowball.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 10, 2011, 11:22:50 AM
That won't make it fade at all.  That will make the story snowball.
I am just thinking it will fizzle out in relevance.  There will always be people who think he wasn't born here.  It's always that way with things like this.   I would like them to push it at the debates though, but as others have commented, it could be disastrous. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 10, 2011, 11:28:33 AM
Where he was born is but one isse.  There is also the fake ss numbers, the aliases, the passports he used, the phoney name changes, the missing years in new york no one can piece together, the enigma as to how he got into harvard law, etc.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: andreisdaman on April 10, 2011, 11:43:28 AM
Where he was born is but one isse.  There is also the fake ss numbers, the aliases, the passports he used, the phoney name changes, the missing years in new york no one can piece together, the enigma as to how he got into harvard law, etc.

Don't you think the FBI would have been all over this???..get off it already...Obama was thoroughly screened before he could run for office....you act as if a guy could come here on a raft and register to run for office.....


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 10, 2011, 11:55:28 AM
Yawn.  Even david poof is scared of this issue.  I have some good stuff on bamas fake ss numbers ill post later. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 10, 2011, 12:04:12 PM
Where he was born is but one isse.  There is also the fake ss numbers, the aliases, the passports he used, the phoney name changes, the missing years in new york no one can piece together, the enigma as to how he got into harvard law, etc.
It's the main issue.  With out it the movement would be dead.

Likely all those other things you just listed are probably reasonably explainable.  But I don't know I'd have to research them.  Just my assumption based on the 042 thing.

  I think maybe quite a lot of people who are in the movement haven't done Much real research.  I mean look at you for example:

You didn't know when Obama first applied for a SSN.

You didn't know where he applied from.

You didn't know that SSN numbers were NOT issued at birth

You didn't know that the "area number" on a SSN wasn't 100% indicative of which state he was born.

It's as if, you just got totally sucked in by the overly opinionated articles and over dramatic you tube vids and let your hate cloud your sensibilities.

I would have thought you'd at least have looked into those important facts before you launched your crusade.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 10, 2011, 12:55:59 PM
Ill post the stuff later on the ss number and you can then decide.  I'm on a blackberry.  Needless to say there is no one else on recors w an 042 ss number from hawaii.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 10, 2011, 01:34:31 PM
Palin gives Trump some verbal support on birther issue
By: CNN Associate Producer Gabriella Schwarz

(CNN) - Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin supported Donald Trump's decision to hire investigators to examine President Barack Obama's birth, but stopped short of embracing the birther wave.

"I appreciate that the Donald wants to spend his resources in getting to the bottom of something that so interests him and many Americans. You know, more power to him," Palin said Saturday on Fox News. "He's not just throwing stones from the sidelines, he's digging in, he's paying for researchers."

Trump's media rampage over the president's birthplace continued Sunday in an appearance on CNN's "State of the Union," where he once again implored the president to produce his birth certificate. Thursday on NBC, the real estate mogul said he sent a team of investigators to Hawaii.

In 2008, the Obama campaign released a copy of the certificate, saying the serial number was blacked out for concern over Hawaiian procedure. Since then, many news organizations and the Annenberg Fact Check Project saw the original with the serial number, an embossed seal and a stamped signature.

But when asked about her views on the issue, Palin said she thinks the president was born in Hawaii.

"Well, you know, I think that he was born in Hawaii because there was a birth announcement put in the newspaper," Palin said. "But obviously if there's something there that the president doesn't want people to see on that birth certificate that he's going to great lengths to make sure it isn't shown. And that's kind of perplexing for a lot of people."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/10/palin-gives-trump-some-verbal-support-on-birther-issue/#more-153766


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 10, 2011, 01:38:05 PM
Again - what hospital and what doctor? 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Skip8282 on April 10, 2011, 01:49:28 PM
Don't you think the FBI would have been all over this???..get off it already...Obama was thoroughly screened before he could run for office....you act as if a guy could come here on a raft and register to run for office.....


No doubt, you should see the form you have to fill out for a clearance.  The government goes so far up your ass you may as well be married.  I'd imagine someone sneaks in from time to time, but it's highly unlikely...even more unlikely for the POTUS.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 10, 2011, 01:58:16 PM
For elective office you never have to go through the same gut wrenmching bio review.  Again - this whole issue would go away tommow if he simply released his records.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Skip8282 on April 10, 2011, 02:11:23 PM
For elective office you never have to go through the same gut wrenmching bio review.  Again - this whole issue would go away tommow if he simply released his records.


Never heard of that and I doubt it's true.


And it won't go away.  They'll claim it's a fake, argue the date and time are impossible, etc, etc.

I know it's your hatred of Obama that's driving this but it's time to just let it go or pony up some real evidence.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: andreisdaman on April 10, 2011, 02:14:10 PM
Yawn.  Even david poof is scared of this issue.  I have some good stuff on bamas fake ss numbers ill post later. 

please...no more right wing blogger stuff..legitimate news organizations please


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 10, 2011, 02:24:29 PM
Yes I hate obama.  No doubt.  However there are tons of mysteries he is covering up for unknown reasons.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: andreisdaman on April 10, 2011, 07:27:04 PM
Yes I hate obama.  No doubt.  However there are tons of mysteries he is covering up for unknown reasons.

the greatest mystery is whats going on in your mind :D


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 10, 2011, 09:04:52 PM
This is pretty much a knock out blow.  Trump better drop this if he wants to remain relevant.  (BTW, they are not "Hawaiian" officials.  "Hawaiian" is an ethnic group.) 

Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims
Comments follow statements by Donald Trump questioning legitimacy of president's birth record
By Michael Isikoff
National investigative correspondent
NBC News
updated 4/10/2011

The Hawaiian state health official who personally reviewed Barack Obama's original birth certificate has affirmed again that the document is "real" and denounced "conspiracy theorists" in the so-called "birther" movement for continuing to spread bogus claims about the issue.

"It’s kind of ludicrous at this point," Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health, said in a rare telephone interview with NBC.

Fukino, sounding both exasperated and amused, spoke to a reporter in the aftermath of Donald Trump's statements on the NBC Today show last week questioning whether Obama has a legitimate birth certificate.

Trump, who says he is considering a run for president, repeated his claims on CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday, saying that "nobody has any information" about the president's birth and that "if he wasn't born in this country, he shouldn't be president of the United States."

No matter what state officials release on the issue, the "birthers" are going to question it, said Fukino. "They’re going to question the ink on which it was written or say it was fabricated," said Fukino. "The whole thing is silly."

Story: The Isikoff Files

As the top Hawaiian official in charge of state health records in 2008, when the issue of Obama's birth first arose, Fukino said she thought she had put the matter to rest. Contacted by NBC, Fukino expanded on previous public statements and made two key points when asked about Trump's recent comments.

The first is that the original so-called "long form" birth certificate — described by Hawaiian officials as a "record of live birth" — absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it — twice. The first time was in late October 2008, during the closing days of the presidential campaign, when the communications director for the state's then Republican governor, Linda Lingle (who appointed Fukino) asked if she could make a public statement in response to claims then circulating on the Internet that Obama was actually born in Kenya.

Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files. She then put out a public statement asserting to the document's validity. She later put out another public statement in July 2009 — after reviewing the original birth record a second time.

"It is real, and no amount of saying it is not, is going to change that," Fukino said. Moreover, she added, her boss at the time, Lingle — who was backing John McCain for president — would presumably have to be in on any cover up since Fukino made her public comment at the governor's office's request. "Why would a Republican governor — who was stumping for the other guy — hold out on a big secret?" she asked.
Her second point — one she made repeatedly in the interview — is that the shorter, computer generated "certification of live birth" that was obtained by the Obama campaign in 2007 and has since been publicly released is the standard document that anybody requesting their birth certificate from the state of Hawaii would receive from the health department.

The document was distributed to the Obama campaign in 2007 after Obama, at the request of a campaign official, personally signed a Hawaii birth certificate request form downloaded on the Internet, according to a former campaign official who asked for anonymity. (Obama was "testy" when asked to sign the form but did so anyway to put the issue to rest, the former campaign official said. The White House has dismissed all questions about the president's birth as "fictional nonsense.")

The certification that the campaign received back —which shows that Obama was born in Honolulu at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4, 1961 — was based on the content of the original document in state files, Fukino said.
"What he got, everybody got," said Fukino. "He put out exactly what everybody gets when they ask for a birth certificate."

Hawaiian officials say that the certification is, in fact, only one piece of abundant evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii. Joshua Wisch, a spokesman for the Hawaii attorney general's office, noted that a public index of vital records, available for inspection in a bound volume at the Health Department's Office of Health Status Monitoring, lists a male child named "Obama II, Barack Hussein" as having been born in the state.

In addition, as Factcheck.org and other media organizations have repeatedly pointed out, both of Honolulu's newspapers, the Honolulu Advertiser on Aug. 13, 1961, and the Honolulu Star Bulletin, on Aug. 14, 1961, both ran birth announcements listing Obama's birth on Aug. 4 of that year.

Even Fukino accepts that her comments are not likely to end the matter for the die-hard birthers. Trump and other skeptics have questioned why the original birth certificate has not been released.
But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general's office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of "vital records," including an original "record of live birth" — even to the individual whose birth it records.

"It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody," he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated "certification of live birth" form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics/42518702


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 10, 2011, 09:58:42 PM
Absolutely crushing!

Even Obama can't request a copy of his own "long form" birth certificate.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 02:43:45 AM
This article contradicts itself at least twice. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 03:48:06 AM
The Curious Issue of Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate
The Lubbock Avalanche-Journal ^ | April 11, 2011 |





The news media is quickly moving to protect Barack Obama against Donald Trump’s pursuit of the truth about Barack Obama’s birth certificate and Obama’s place of birth.

Michael Isikoff of MSNBC has reported that Dr. Chiyome Fukino is now claiming that she has actually seen Barack Obama’s original birth certificate on file in Honolulu.

As the top Hawaiian official in charge of state health records in 2008, when the issue of Obama's birth first arose, Fukino said she thought she had put the matter to rest. Contacted by NBC, Fukino expanded on previous public statements and made two key points when asked about Trump's recent comments.

The first is that the original so-called "long form" birth certificate — described by Hawaiian officials as a "record of live birth" — absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo [Fukino] said she has personally inspected it — twice. The first time was in late October 2008, during the closing days of the presidential campaign, when the communications director for the state's then Republican governor, Linda Lingle (who appointed Fukino) asked if she could make a public statement in response to claims then circulating on the Internet that Obama was actually born in Kenya.

This is all very curious. Back in January, Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie was unable to locate Obama’s birth certificate. The Daily Mail reported,

He [Governor Abercrombie] told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser: 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said.

But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate.

And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

One has to wonder why Governor Abercrombie did not ask Dr. Chiyome Fukino to show him Obama’s birth certificate?

Let us assume that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and has a duly registered birth certificate. Why does Obama not want us to see his birth certificate? Why have more than $2 million been spent in legal fees to keep this birth certificate from public view?

What is on Obama’s birth certificate that Obama does not want seen?

Donald Trump appeared on “The View” on Thursday morning 24 March. Dave Eberhart of Newsmax.com reported the next day,

On "The View," a morning chat program, Trump declared that he believed Obama has a birth certificate, but that he should produce it to the world, ending the speculation that seems to never go away. Trump added that he felt it strange that "nobody from [Obama's] early years remembers him."

There’s "something on that birth certificate that he doesn't like," Trump opined to the cast members, including Whoopi Goldberg and Barbara Walters, who berated him, accusing him of possibly racist thoughts on the issue.

Rush Limbaugh and others are coming to the support of Donald Trump.

On Limbaugh’s show Thursday, the radio talker Limbaugh sided with Trump’s beating of the birth certificate drum. "You and I have known all along that we're dealing with a man-child here who has, literally, no qualifications, no experience, and according to Donald Trump now, no birth certificate," Limbaugh declared.

"Trump is performing a valuable service here. He is attempting to help Obama out of a jam. You can't say Trump is a kook right-wing birther. Trump realized the problem that Obama faces here with credibility. He's giving him a chance here to establish some credibility by producing the birth certificate,” Limbaugh added.

Charging that elements of the major media were "covering it up" and "papering it over," he concluded: “Trump's not the kind of guy to comb over difficulties. If he's going to bring this up . . . you know that it's serious."

Either Obama’s birth certificate does not exist or it has something typed or written on it that Obama does not want to be revealed. What could it be?

It is also perplexing that Obama has sealed his college transcript from Columbia and his law school transcript from Harvard Law School. What is Obama hiding in his transcripts?

Why do Obama’s classmates from Columbia not remember seeing Obama in classes? It seems he was an invisible man during his time at Columbia?

There are two hospitals in Honolulu where it has been claimed that Obama was born. Why do both hospitals claim they have no record of Obama’s birth? Why has the doctor who delivered Obama not come forth to take credit? Why have no nurses who were present at the delivery of Obama, or took care of him and his mother following his birth, come forward?

It seems that there is a lot of Liberal smoke and mirrors taking place? If a Barack Obama birth certificate exists, it would be a simple matter for Obama to show it for all to see?

Why is so much ridicule being expended to discredit those who want answers? Why are lawyers working hard to keep Obama’s secrets hidden? Whatever happened to that transparent Administration of President Obama that we were promised?

Donald Trump’s courage is looking better all the time. We are in for some very interesting debates and battles over the Obama birth certificate unless Barack Obama can somehow silence Donald Trump.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 03:55:16 AM
Hawaii Official and Ex-Official Lie to Cover Their Tracks 100
  
DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN RAMPS UP IN RESPONSE TO DONALD TRUMP’S ASSERTIONS THAT OBAMA HAS NOT SHOWN A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE

by Miki Booth



Dr. Chiyome Fukino lied on national TV when she said that the "Certification of Live Birth" is all a person can obtain from the Health Department. And what gave her the right to "inspect" Obama's records if they are closed by state law?
(Apr. 10, 2011) — Donald Trump is really turning the heat up on Obama’s missing birth certificate and far-left zealots have found it necessary to drag ex-Hawai’i official, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, former director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, back to the podium to recite her tale of viewing the elusive document. This time, unlike her first obtuse and lawyered-up comments, Fukino has gotten bolder since Abercrombie slipped his Obama “born in Hawaii” sentence into the 50th anniversary commemorative bill.

But the latest attempt to put out the flames has backfired and exposed some naughty children huddled in a back room playing with matches. Michael Isikoff, MSNBC’s “so-called” national investigative correspondent, was caught with Joshua Wisch, former chairman of Howard Dean’s presidential campaign in Hawaii. Now spokesman for the Hawaii attorney general’s office, Wisch apparently colluded with Fukino to validate Obama’s alleged “Certification of Live Birth.”

“What he got, everybody got,” said Fukino. “He put out exactly what everybody gets when they ask for a birth certificate.”

Not true, Dr. Fukino. When my son, Alan, requested a copy of his birth certificate he got just that—a “Certificate of Live Birth,” not the same as Obama’s. Different titles and different information. Obama’s is sorely lacking information required for obtaining a passport—Mother’s State/Country of Birth and Father’s State/Country of Birth.

 


Short-Form Certificate of Live Birth obtained by Alan Booth, who was born in Hawaii. The document contains a raised seal, which Obama's Certification of Live Birth did not.

It appears specific people are lining up to take a bullet for Obama. Conspiracy to defraud the American people is a serious crime and MSNBC has become the epitome of yellow journalism, brashly covering-up for Obama and the entire anti-American agenda of the socialist left. This latest cover-up attempt is laughable and speaks volumes to the desperation of the Democrat Party.

Michael Isikoff writes, “But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of “vital records,” including an original “record of live birth” — even to the individual whose birth it records.

“It’s a Department of Health record and it can’t be released to anybody,” he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorized such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer-generated “certification of live birth” form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.”

Not true, Mr. Wisch. A friend of mine filled out the appropriate state form and received back a “certificate of live birth” as shown below:

 


Long-Form Certificate of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii received in March 2011 by the requester
Enough with the lies already. You will be held accountable.

As long as the debate over Obama’s birth records drag on, we will have that much more time to inform Americans that the birth certificate doesn’t even matter. We don’t care whether he has one or not; Obama is clearly illegally occupying the office of US President since he is not by any stretch of the imagination an Article II, Section I, clause 5 “natural born Citizen” born of two citizen parents on American soil. It becomes more evident every day that his allegiance is not to the United States of America.

Truth will out.

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Editor’s Note: The Post & Email will be calling Mr. Wisch tomorrow to confront him with his false statements about obtaining vital records in Hawaii.  We will also be contacting for the third time the Health Department, Governor Neil Abercrombie, and Lt. Gov. Brian Schatz, all of whom have spokespersons who have failed to return our calls or answer our letters regarding the many contradictions evident in Obama’s birth story and documentation, or lack thereof.  The Health Department registrar, Dr. Alvin Onaka, whose stamp appears on the long-form document above, is apparently squeamish about picking up the telephone and answering our questions.

How many people will be going to jail over this massive cover-up?  And what else, other than Obama’s “records,” are they hiding?  Perhaps 50 years of defrauding the federal government?

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Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 03:57:50 AM
NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE?   OBAMA'S FORGED COLB OMITS THE PLACE OF BIRTH OF THE PARENTS.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: garebear on April 11, 2011, 03:58:19 AM
Stupid thread. End of thread.


Title: Re: Interview of Gov Abercrombie long time friend "There is no birth certificate!"
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 04:07:46 AM
Beach - can you merge ths wi the Bither thread? 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 04:17:29 AM

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2702617/posts



Incidentally, the 1950s picture here of Obama’s mother should remind us that his mother was no normal modest Midwestern girl of the times so his genetics are not the best either from his mother’s or his philandering father’s side. Snopes has done an unusually poor job (even for it) of saying the photo of Mrs Soetoro is in fact of someone else but have a look at the lady they think is in the photo. Most unconvincing. Genetics are a powerful determinant of behavior so, although scandalous, the suggestion about Obama’s sexuality below is not implausible

As an IRS tax examiner,one of many former federal jobs, I have seen what it appears Barry Soetoro has done, mostly by illegal aliens attempting to acquire a new identity in the U.S and/or criminals looking to acquire a new ID.

Barry, AKA Obama, was lawfully adopted by a foreign national, Lolo Soetoro, and Barry’s name was legally changed to “Barry Soetoro”. (Barry’s own admission) Barry Soetoro was also made an official legal Indonesian citizen. (again Barry’s own admission) The adoption would be noted in Barry’s vital statistics record in Hawaii on his original birth certificate…

OR Lolo Soetoro may have always been Barry’s legal birth father. The public does not know for sure at this point who Barry’s father really was and Barry himself may not know.

Barry was raised as a Muslim in Indonesia and attended a Catholic funded school that permitted all faiths to attend.

Barry’s mother dropped him as a dependant for some reason, maybe even when Barry was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. His mother’s passport records dropped Barry as a dependent indicating Barry was no longer a legal dependent of his mothers. (The passport records of his mother have been produced showing Barry was no longer a dependent when Barry was permanently residing in Indonesia.) Barry went to Hawaii to live with his alleged grand parents after Lolo Soetoro and Barry’s mother divorced.

A “certificate of live birth” can have names changed on it including a child’s birth name, and birth parent’s names. Even a modified date of birth can be on a “certificate of live birth”. This occurs frequently for adopted children where the birth parent does not want the child to know who they are. The public has no idea who Barry’s real birth father is or who Barry’s real birth mother is. (Barry could have been adopted by his mother) The original birth certificate is the only legal vital statistics record of a person’s birth parents, birth location, birth date, etc… I can get a “certificate of live birth” for a dead person; I cannot get a birth certificate of a dead person without “Deceased” on it. (I’ve tried)

There is no evidence Barry Soetoro ever lawfully changed his name to “Barrack Hussein Obama”. There is no proof Barry Soetoro was born with the name “Barrack Hussein Obama”. I’m willing to bet the name “Barrack Hussein Obama” is not present on the real birth certificate as Barry’s birth name or as Barry’s birth father. I have pictures of me with my mother and Jimmy Buffet… that doesn’t make him my father even if I start using the name Jimmy Buffet.

The public knows Barry Soetoro finished high school in Hawaii as Barry Soetoro and attended Occidental as Barry Soetoro where he did drugs and flunked out of school. After dropping out of Occidental, Barry showed up in New York, homeless and on drugs. (Barry’s own admission) Barry then hooked up with a Pakistani to live with and traveled back to Indonesia on his new boyfriend’s dime to renew his Indonesian passport and traveled to Pakistan with him.

Ask any law enforcement officer in a large city or detective and they will tell you homeless young men on drugs in large cities usually end up as male prostitutes. Barry ended up as a world traveler with a degree… (Not likely)

Barry Soetoro returned to New York from Pakistan and began using the fictitious name “Obama” for some reason. (again Barry Soetoro’s own admission) One could only suspect that a person addicted to drugs returning from Pakistan to New York, the main route for Afghan heroin into the U.S., maybe Barry had a reason to start using a new name. There are literally over 1 million open warrants on file in New York… maybe Barry is one of them?….

After spending some time in New York allegedly working under the name “Obama”, It appears Barry used the fictitious name “Barrack Hussein Obama” for the first time to file his federal taxes in Connecticut at a Post Office Box for the purpose of evading paying taxes in New York and /or to establish a new identity. (This is a felony with no statute of limitation.)

When the IRS received Barry Soetoro’s federal tax filing, the IRS could not attach the name Barrack Hussein Obama to the SSI number provided or the address provided. So the IRS assigned the fictitious name “Barrack Hussein Obama” a tax ID number for a person from Connecticut (Where Barry unlawfully filed a federal tax form using a false name). Barry Soetoro began using the tax ID number as his SSI number when using the fictitious name Barrack Obama. This is why Barry Soetoro has a Connecticut SSI number. When I worked for the IRS, I saw this occur more than once and yes, it is a felony to knowingly file a fraudulent federal tax form. Most of the politicians that cheat on their taxes claim it was an accident. That is how they get away with their tax cheat crimes. Using a fake name is no accident.

It appears Barry fled New York to Chicago using his new identity to get a job . He likely ordered a fake diploma to bolster his new identity as “Obama”. Fake Diploma’s were very big in the 80’s and diploma mills were even being used by federal workers to get promotions. There is evidence his alleged attendance at Columbia was faked (Barry never attended Columbia) and Barry lied his way into Harvard (he had no transcripts to get in)… Including telling the Saudi royal family he was fighting in Afghanistan with the Muslim Jihad against the Russians, so they would help him get into a law school.

The Saudi’s apparently loved Barry’s story of Jihad in Pakistan/Afghanistan and paid for Barry to attend Harvard under the name “Obama”. The Saudi family has admitted to paying for Obama to attend Harvard and gave Harvard a gift of $20 million dollars. Harvard in turn made their special attendy President of the law review a person that never wrote a single law review…. I guess that is what $20 million buys at Harvard.

It is unlikely Barry was a Jihadist and was most likely a drug mule if anything, maybe even a CIA street hire to haul Afghan heroin back to New York, so the Afghans could buy U.S. made stinger missiles with U.S. dollars to shoot down Russian helicopters?… I hired people over seas to do work below my pay grade all the time, even foreign nationals… I think this is the story Barry told the Saudi’s, but he was most likely really just a drug mule/dealer and probably still wanted on an outstanding warrant in New York.

Barry’s selective service registration is not normal either.

After I looked at Barry’s selective service filing I noticed it was most likely fraudulent too based on the name he used. Barry did not start using the name “Obama” until he returned from Pakistan (long after he flunked out of school in California) His selective service record (maintained in Chicago coincidentally) shows he registered at a Hawaiian post office as “Obama” in Sept 1980… Problem, Barry was getting high in California at Occidental in Sept 1980 (Barry’s own admission) and was not using the fictitious name “Obama” at that time. Barry began using the fictitious name “Obama” only after he returned from Pakistan. The selective service filing is fraudulent.

Barry returned to Chicago and attended a semi-christian radical black church with his first female love Michelle. Barry admits keeping in touch with Phil Boener, who traveled to New York from Occidental to be with Barry and was most likely Barry’s first love.

Barry still could not get a real job, because he was still a fraud, even with his Harvard degree in hand he could lie and take the Bar exam, but he could not work as a lawyer for a major law firm without a back ground investigation and he would never pass one. So, Michelle got Barry a job at her law firm. Barry never filed a case alone and never filed a motion. He wrote lots of memos according to the law firm where Barry worked. (I think they know Barry is a fraud and don’t want to be sued by previous clients) Barry rescinded his law licenses, so as not to be disbarred for fraud. The Bar knows Barry lied on his application. Michelle also had to turn over her law license for her involvement in corruption with the Chicago mayors office.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 06:04:45 AM
333333.
 It seems you are just left with cutting and pasted big opt-Ed pieces. 
Have you even verified all the crap in those articles? 
Because as I showed before you didn't research all the other stuff in the SSN articles.


This thing is pretty much dead in the world of reality.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 06:05:55 AM
Hawaii Official and Ex-Official Lie to Cover Their Tracks 100
  
DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN RAMPS UP IN RESPONSE TO DONALD TRUMP’S ASSERTIONS THAT OBAMA HAS NOT SHOWN A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE

by Miki Booth



Dr. Chiyome Fukino lied on national TV when she said that the "Certification of Live Birth" is all a person can obtain from the Health Department. And what gave her the right to "inspect" Obama's records if they are closed by state law?
(Apr. 10, 2011) — Donald Trump is really turning the heat up on Obama’s missing birth certificate and far-left zealots have found it necessary to drag ex-Hawai’i official, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, former director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, back to the podium to recite her tale of viewing the elusive document. This time, unlike her first obtuse and lawyered-up comments, Fukino has gotten bolder since Abercrombie slipped his Obama “born in Hawaii” sentence into the 50th anniversary commemorative bill.

But the latest attempt to put out the flames has backfired and exposed some naughty children huddled in a back room playing with matches. Michael Isikoff, MSNBC’s “so-called” national investigative correspondent, was caught with Joshua Wisch, former chairman of Howard Dean’s presidential campaign in Hawaii. Now spokesman for the Hawaii attorney general’s office, Wisch apparently colluded with Fukino to validate Obama’s alleged “Certification of Live Birth.”

“What he got, everybody got,” said Fukino. “He put out exactly what everybody gets when they ask for a birth certificate.”

Not true, Dr. Fukino. When my son, Alan, requested a copy of his birth certificate he got just that—a “Certificate of Live Birth,” not the same as Obama’s. Different titles and different information. Obama’s is sorely lacking information required for obtaining a passport—Mother’s State/Country of Birth and Father’s State/Country of Birth.

 


Short-Form Certificate of Live Birth obtained by Alan Booth, who was born in Hawaii. The document contains a raised seal, which Obama's Certification of Live Birth did not.

It appears specific people are lining up to take a bullet for Obama. Conspiracy to defraud the American people is a serious crime and MSNBC has become the epitome of yellow journalism, brashly covering-up for Obama and the entire anti-American agenda of the socialist left. This latest cover-up attempt is laughable and speaks volumes to the desperation of the Democrat Party.

Michael Isikoff writes, “But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of “vital records,” including an original “record of live birth” — even to the individual whose birth it records.

“It’s a Department of Health record and it can’t be released to anybody,” he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorized such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer-generated “certification of live birth” form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.”

Not true, Mr. Wisch. A friend of mine filled out the appropriate state form and received back a “certificate of live birth” as shown below:

 


Long-Form Certificate of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii received in March 2011 by the requester
Enough with the lies already. You will be held accountable.

As long as the debate over Obama’s birth records drag on, we will have that much more time to inform Americans that the birth certificate doesn’t even matter. We don’t care whether he has one or not; Obama is clearly illegally occupying the office of US President since he is not by any stretch of the imagination an Article II, Section I, clause 5 “natural born Citizen” born of two citizen parents on American soil. It becomes more evident every day that his allegiance is not to the United States of America.

Truth will out.

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Editor’s Note: The Post & Email will be calling Mr. Wisch tomorrow to confront him with his false statements about obtaining vital records in Hawaii.  We will also be contacting for the third time the Health Department, Governor Neil Abercrombie, and Lt. Gov. Brian Schatz, all of whom have spokespersons who have failed to return our calls or answer our letters regarding the many contradictions evident in Obama’s birth story and documentation, or lack thereof.  The Health Department registrar, Dr. Alvin Onaka, whose stamp appears on the long-form document above, is apparently squeamish about picking up the telephone and answering our questions.

How many people will be going to jail over this massive cover-up?  And what else, other than Obama’s “records,” are they hiding?  Perhaps 50 years of defrauding the federal government?

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BUMP for OZMO   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 06:16:41 AM
Why should I take anything in that article as legitimate?

You are just cutting and pasting again. 

Should I just go on a cutting and pasting frenzy too?  I am sure I can find hundreds of articles debunking Birthers.

What's that going to solve?

You don't bother to check the bull crap in your articles so why would anyone take them seriously?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 06:18:26 AM
Likely all those other things you just listed are probably reasonably explainable.  But I don't know I'd have to research them.  Just my assumption based on the 042 thing.
  I think maybe quite a lot of people who are in the movement haven't done Much real research.  I mean look at you for example:

You didn't know when Obama first applied for a SSN.
You didn't know where he applied from.
You didn't know that SSN numbers were NOT issued at birth
You didn't know that the "area number" on a SSN wasn't 100% indicative of which state he was born.

It's as if, you just got totally sucked in by the overly opinionated articles and over dramatic you tube vids and let your hate cloud your sensibilities.

I would have thought you'd at least have looked into those important facts before you launched your crusade.



Bump for 333333


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 06:18:35 AM
Why should I take anything in that article as legitimate?

You are just cutting and pasting again. 

Should I just go on a cutting and pasting frenzy too?  I am sure I can find hundreds of articles debunking Birthers.

What's that going to solve?

You don't bother to check the bull crap in your articles so why would anyone take them seriously?

The woman posted her owns kids' records.  Did you even look at that and compare it to the nonsense obama put out?   Of course not.  




Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 06:20:02 AM
Bump for 333333

 ::)  ::)

Yawn - obama must be the first person Ihave ever heard of not having a SS until applying himself at 17 y/o on his own from a state he never had any reason to be in the first place and different from the state he was allegedly born in.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 06:22:50 AM
The woman posted her owns kids' records.  Did you even look at that and compare it to the nonsense obama put out?   Of course not.  



I just showed in detail how you yourself don't.

The one time I researched, I showed numerous things your were grossly incorrect about.  

So in my mind, everything you post on this is likely to be spun crap.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 06:25:07 AM
::)  ::)

Yawn - obama must be the first person Ihave ever heard of not having a SS until applying himself at 17 y/o on his own from a state he never had any reason to be in the first place and different from the state he was allegedly born in.   

Wow, you have just completely diggressed into 911 nut jobbery.  When presented with complete easy facts and reasoning you revert back to beliefs and assumptions.

What the fuck happened to you?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 06:27:27 AM
::)  ::)

Yawn - obama must be the first person Ihave ever heard of not having a SS until applying himself at 17 y/o on his own from a state he never had any reason to be in the first place and different from the state he was allegedly born in.   

And we been over this already in detail and you were left looking real ignorant on the matter.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 06:28:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc5JE0JAqlk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2-2E65uFHM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obuLAZ0iizw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-RDBMwcUgg



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 06:36:48 AM
Here we go a spamming of YouTube vids  


Never expected that response  ;D ::)


Too many people own final cut studio.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 06:37:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbpjYeZXaVs


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 06:38:04 AM
Here we go a spamming of YouTube vids 


Never expected that response  ;D ::)

 ::) ::)

I'm not spamming anything - they go point by point in the COLB nonsense - notice the difference?   YES or NO?   



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 06:40:55 AM
The one on the bottom is too blurry I cant fully read it.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 06:48:36 AM
The one on the bottom is too blurry I cant fully read it.

Look on the right hand side from the middle on down - notice what is listed on that vs. what IS NOT listed on Bama's.   

also - look at the top - is there a difference between "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH"   & "CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH"

Yes!   What obama presented is pure nonsense since a valid BC always has the inf on the place of birth of the parents.   The second mage I gave you was from a lady wh got one for her son in March 2011.         


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 06:53:27 AM
Look on the right hand side from the middle on down - notice what is listed on that vs. what IS NOT listed on Bama's.   

also - look at the top - is there a difference between "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH"   & "CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH"

Yes!   What obama presented is pure nonsense since a valid BC always has the inf on the place of birth of the parents.   The second mage I gave you was from a lady wh got one for her son in March 2011.         

I cannot read every bit of text on the bottom document.  I even downloaded it and zoomed in.

Also, you using the word "always" in you arguments is very suspect now.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 06:56:08 AM
I cannot read every bit of text on the bottom document.  I even downloaded it and zoomed in.

Also, you using the word "always" in you arguments is very suspect now.


Te real BC lists the place of birth of the parents, both on the short form and the long form, bama's does not.  why? 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 07:08:31 AM

Te real BC lists the place of birth of the parents, both on the short form and the long form, bama's does not.  why? 

I can't fully read the bottom one.  I must be able to read ALL the text printed on it to even comment on it.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: LurkerNoMore on April 11, 2011, 07:18:15 AM
I can't fully read the bottom one.  I must be able to read ALL the text printed on it to even comment on it.

No you don't.  Just speculate.  It's the thing to do obviously.

LOL


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Grape Ape on April 11, 2011, 07:20:25 AM
I cannot read every bit of text on the bottom document.  I even downloaded it and zoomed in.

It's because you've abandoned eyeball themed avatars.  Try switching back.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 07:23:35 AM
It's because you've abandoned eyeball themed avatars.  Try switching back.

 ;D  ok


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 07:25:35 AM
Just so you know, 333333.

Debunking the SSN things was pretty dam easy.  I am willing to bet the COLB forgery debunking won't be too much harder.





Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 07:31:42 AM
Just so you know, 333333.

Debunking the SSN things was pretty dam easy.  I am willing to bet the COLB forgery debunking won't be too much harder.





How did you debunk anything?   Are you kidding?  Why was even even allegedly in CT in 1977 in the first place? 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 07:35:25 AM
How did you debunk anything?   Are you kidding?  Why was even even allegedly in CT in 1977 in the first place? 

Sigh...........

Are you just being "ignorant" because you are in "Forum battle mode"?

Has your hate consumed you so much you have lost your ability to read and comprehend?

What is it 333333?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 07:41:49 AM
Sigh...........

Are you just being "ignorant" because you are in "Forum battle mode"?

Has your hate consumed you so much you have lost your ability to read and comprehend?

What is it 333333?

Absolutely not.   Please do tell.   This is the most bizarre nonsense I have ever heard.   I'm not kidding, I have never heard of smeone born in the USA not get a SS at birth or near birth and then wait till they are 17 Y/O to get one in a state they have no locaton to in any form whatsoever.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 07:48:29 AM
Absolutely not.   Please do tell.   This is the most bizarre nonsense I have ever heard.   I'm not kidding, I have never heard of smeone born in the USA not get a SS at birth or near birth and then wait till they are 17 Y/O to get one in a state they have no locaton to in any form whatsoever.   

You obviously don't get out much.

You also, weren't aware of how things worked in 1977.  You were 2.

He also didn't wait until he was 17, he waited until he was almost 16, in 1977.  Another one of your many inaccuracies.  

You also, i guess, think the Social Security administration is now in on this as i showed you on the site that SS#'s are not issued at birth.  

You also assume that  everyone gets a SSN number for their children at birth even though the SSA talks about poeple that don't.

You also assumed VERY incorrectly that the area number on the SSN where determined by state.

I could go on...  but what's the point?


Basically, 33333, (no disrespect intended) you are making yourself into a fool over this.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 07:50:51 AM
I could tell you to tell you to research it yourself   :D

but if i wasn't willing to go back and read through 22 pages of this thread i can't expect you to either. 

here ya go:

http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html (http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html)

SSA logo: link to Social Security Online home
Social Security Numbers
The SSN Numbering Scheme
     

Number Has Three Parts

The nine-digit SSN is composed of three parts:

    * The first set of three digits is called the Area Number
    * The second set of two digits is called the Group Number
    * The final set of four digits is the Serial Number

Area Number

The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.

Generally, numbers were assigned beginning in the northeast and moving westward. So people on the east coast have the lowest numbers and those on the west coast have the highest numbers.

Note: One should not make too much of the "geographical code." It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information. The numbering scheme was designed in 1936 (before computers) to make it easier for SSA to store the applications in our files in Baltimore since the files were organized by regions as well as alphabetically. It was really just a bookkeeping device for our own internal use and was never intended to be anything more than that.
  Bump


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 07:52:03 AM

1.  SSN's, by the admission of the http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html (http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html) does not issue numbers based on "area numbers" the first 3 digits of a SSN: 

2.  Obama did live in Hawaii and attended school there form 5th grade until graduating in 1979.  http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html (http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html)

3.  He applied for an SSN in 1977 PRIOR to getting a job at baskins robbins.

4.  The zip form the address he applied form was:  96814

5.  People applied via hand written mail back then.

6.  The zip code for Danbury, CT. was 06814




Bump


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 07:54:24 AM
Bump - fine- so you say he wated until he was 16 toapply for his SS number - from CT no less.  By his own admission the first time hecame to the lower 48 was when he came to college at Occidental where he claims he spent two years (records not released). 

So again - explain please. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 11, 2011, 07:54:50 AM
So Dr. Fukino is now in on the conspiracy?  This is gong to cause some major embarrassment for Trump.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 08:03:42 AM
Friday, April 2, 2010
Founder and Historian David Ramsay Defines a Natural Born Citizen in 1789



In defining an Article II “natural born Citizen,” it is important to find any authority from the Founding period who may inform us how the Founders and Framers themselves defined the clause. Who else but a highly respected historian from the Founding period itself would be highly persuasive in telling us how the Founders and Framers defined a “natural born Citizen. ” Such an important person is David Ramsay, who in 1789 wrote, A Dissertation on the Manners of Acquiring the Character and Privileges of a Citizen (1789), a very important and influential essay on defining a “natural born Citizen.”

David Ramsay (April 2, 1749 to May 8, 1815) was an American physician, patriot, and historian from South Carolina and a delegate from that state to the Continental Congress in 1782-1783 and 1785-1786. He was the Acting President of the United States in Congress Assembled. He was one of the American Revolution’s first major historians. A contemporary of Washington, Ramsay writes with the knowledge and insights one acquires only by being personally involved in the events of the Founding period. In 1785 he published History of the Revolution of South Carolina (two volumes), in 1789 History of the American Revolution (two volumes), in 1807 a Life of Washington, and in 1809 a History of South Carolina (two volumes). Ramsay “was a major intellectual figure in the early republic, known and respected in America and abroad for his medical and historical writings, especially for The History of the American Revolution (1789)…” Arthur H. Shaffer, Between Two Worlds: David Ramsay and the Politics of Slavery, J.S.Hist., Vol. L, No. 2 (May 1984). “During the progress of the Revolution, Doctor Ramsay collected materials for its history, and his great impartiality, his fine memory, and his acquaintance with many of the actors in the contest, eminently qualified him for the task….”
http://www.famousamericans.net/davidramsay.

In 1965 Professor Page Smith of the University of California at Los Angeles published an extensive study of Ramsay's History of the American Revolution in which he stressed the advantage that Ramsay had because of being involved in the events of which he wrote and the wisdom he exercised in taking advantage of this opportunity. “The generosity of mind and spirit which marks his pages, his critical sense, his balanced judgment and compassion,'' Professor Smith concluded, “are gifts that were uniquely his own and that clearly entitle him to an honorable position in the front rank of American historians.”

In his 1789 article, Ramsay first explained who the “original citizens” were and then defined the “natural born citizens” as the children born in the country to citizen parents. He said concerning the children born after the declaration of independence, “[c]itizenship is the inheritance of the children of those who have taken part in the late revolution; but this is confined exclusively to the children of those who were themselves citizens….” Id. at 6. He added that “citizenship by inheritance belongs to none but the children of those Americans, who, having survived the declaration of independence, acquired that adventitious character in their own right, and transmitted it to their offspring….” Id. at 7. He continued that citizenship “as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776….” Id. at 6.

Here we have direct and convincing evidence of how a very influential Founder defined a “natural born citizen.” Given his position of influence and especially given that he was a highly respected historian, Ramsay would have had the contacts with other influential Founders and Framers and would have known how they too defined “natural born Citizen.” Ramsay, being of the Founding generation and being intimately involved in the events of the time would have known how the Founders and Framers defined a “natural born Citizen” and he told us that definition was one where the child was born in the country of citizen parents. In giving us this definition, it is clear that Ramsay did not follow the English common law but rather natural law, the law of nations, and Emer de Vattel, who also defined a “natural-born citizen” the same as did Ramsay in his highly acclaimed and influential, The Law of Nations, Or, Principles of the Law of Nature, Applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns, Section 212 (1758 French) (1759 English). We can reasonably assume that the other Founders and Framers would have defined a “natural born Citizen” the same way the Ramsay did, for being a meticulous historian he would have gotten his definition from the general consensus that existed at the time.

Ramsay’s article and explication are further evidence of the influence that Vattel had on the Founders in how they defined the new national citizenship. This article by Ramsay is one of the most important pieces of evidence recently found (provided to us by an anonymous source) which provides direct evidence on how the Founders and Framers defined a “natural born Citizen” and that there is little doubt that they defined one as a child born in the country to citizen parents.

This time-honored definition of a "natural born Citizen" has been confirmed by subsequent United States Supreme Court and lower court cases such as:

1) The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (Marshall, C.J., concurring and dissenting for other reasons, cites Vattel and provides his definition of natural born citizens); :
2) Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857) (Justice Daniels concurring took out of Vattel’s definition the reference to “fathers” and “father” and replaced it with “parents” and “person,” respectively); :
3) Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830) (same definition without citing Vattel); Slaughter-House Cases, 83 U.S. 36, 21 L.Ed. 394, 16 Wall. 36 (1872) (in explaining the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment clause, “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” said that the clause “was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States;” :
4) Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884) (“the children of subjects of any foreign government born within the domain of that government, or the children born within the United States, of ambassadors or other public ministers of foreign nations” are not citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States); :
5) Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875) (same definition without citing Vattel); :
6) Ex parte Reynolds, 1879, 5 Dill., 394, 402 (same definition and cites Vattel); United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel); :
7) U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) (quoted from the same definition of “natural born Citizen” as did Minor v. Happersett); :
8) Rep. John Bingham (in the House on March 9, 1866, in commenting on the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which was the precursor to the Fourteenth Amendment: " find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen. . . . ” John A. Bingham, (R-Ohio) US Congressman, March 9, 1866 Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866), Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes (1866)).

The two-citizen-parent requirement would have followed from the common law that provided that a woman upon marriage took the citizenship of her husband. In other words, the Framers required both (1) birth on United States soil (or its equivalent) and (2) birth to two United States citizen parents as necessary conditions of being granted that special status which under our Constitution only the President and Commander in Chief of the Military (and also the Vice President under the Twelfth Amendment) must have at the time of his or her birth. Given the necessary conditions that must be satisfied to be granted the status, all "natural born Citizens" are "Citizens of the United States" but not all "Citizens of the United States" are "natural born Citizens." It was only through both parents being citizens that the child was born with unity of citizenship and allegiance to the United States which the Framers required the President and Commander in Chief to have.

Obama fails to meet this “natural born Citizen” eligibility test because when he was born in 1961 (wherever that may be), he was not born to a United States citizen mother and father. At his birth, his mother was a United States citizen. But under the British Nationality Act 1948, his father, who was born in the British colony of Kenya, was born a Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (CUKC) which by descent made Obama himself a CUKC. Prior to Obama’s birth, Obama’s father neither intended to nor did he become a United States citizen. Being temporarily in the United States only for purpose of study and with the intent to return to Kenya, his father did not intend to nor did he even become a legal resident or immigrant to the United States.

Obama may be a plain born “citizen of the United States” under the 14th Amendment or a Congressional Act (if he was born in Hawaii). But as we can see from David Ramsay’s clear presentation, citizenship “as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776….” Id. at 6. Hence, Obama is not an Article II "natural born Citizen," for upon Obama's birth his father was a British subject and Obama himself by descent was also the same. Hence, Obama was born subject to a foreign power. Obama lacks the birth status of natural sole and absolute allegiance and loyalty to the United States which only the President and Commander in Chief of the Military and Vice President must have at the time of birth. Being born subject to a foreign power, he lacks Unity of Citizenship and Allegiance to the United States from the time of birth which assures that required degree of natural sole and absolute birth allegiance and loyalty to the United States, a trait that is constitutionally indispensable in a President and Commander in Chief of the Military. Like a naturalized citizen, who despite taking an oath later in life to having sole allegiance to the United States cannot be President because of being born subject to a foreign power, Obama too cannot be President.

Mario Apuzzo, Esq. :
April 2, 2010:
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

Justice Waite in Minor v. Happersett. (Mario Apuzzo used Leo Donofrio's research.)

”The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 08:07:57 AM
Bump - fine- so you say he wated until he was 16 toapply for his SS number - from CT no less.  By his own admission the first time hecame to the lower 48 was when he came to college at Occidental where he claims he spent two years (records not released). 

So again - explain please. 

No, NOT from conn.  for the umteeneth time!

Did you eat a bowl of dumb fucks this morning?



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 08:14:58 AM
No, NOT from conn.  for the umteeneth time!

Did you eat a bowl of dumb fucks this morning?




I was born in 1975 and my SS number is clear that I a from the Bronx NY, EVERYOE I KNOW HAS THE SAME FUCKING THING!

So while there might be an isolated incident of course - if he applied from Hawaii he would have a number for peopl born there 9/10 times. 

So again - the whole thing is beyond strange - and you offer nothing to support yur theory at all other than speculation as to what might have ocurred to explain these anolomies.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 08:26:58 AM

I was born in 1975 and my SS number is clear that I a from the Bronx NY, EVERYOE I KNOW HAS THE SAME FUCKING THING!

So while there might be an isolated incident of course - if he applied from Hawaii he would have a number for peopl born there 9/10 times. 

So again - the whole thing is beyond strange - and you offer nothing to support yur theory at all other than speculation as to what might have ocurred to explain these anolomies.   


Its not speculation at all.

What are the chances his zip code and a zip code in connected differ by 1 digit?  1 digit that when written can be mistaken for one another and 1 digit that sits rights next to each other on a typewriter?  All this done in an age where things were hand written and inputted by a person, not scanned.

You do need to get out more.  And i say that metaphorically meaning you need to research with a more objective mind.  You were exposed here not to do any real research.   All you do is cut and paste from you favorite "I hate Obama" sites.

I mean fuck man, you didn't even do basic research. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 08:32:05 AM
 ::)  ::)

The 042 # he is using in but one of 15 others traced to him.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 08:38:07 AM
::)  ::)

The 042 # he is using in but one of 15 others traced to him.  

Again,  i am willing to bet you didn't do any real research on these other SSN's too.

After your 042 debacle can you blame me for believing that?


PS:  Classic CT debate mentality:  When confronted with facts that soundly debunk one point, quickly bring up other points.  You did the same when we had the original discussion and you are doing that now.  911 nut jobs always do that.    


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 08:49:02 AM
You didnt debunk anything.   You offered a possible explanation for what appears another black hole of mystery surrounding obama.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 09:03:19 AM
You didnt debunk anything.   You offered a possible explanation for what appears another black hole of mystery surrounding obama.   

That's a black hole mystery?  I think what's more of a mystery is exactly when you traded your objectivity for hate.

Look at your approach:

-  Based on hate
-  No real research
-  Cut and paste spamming

What I posted overwhelmingly supports his SSN legitimacy as well as lending strong support to him being born here.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 09:11:42 AM
That's a black hole mystery?  I think what's more of a mystery is exactly when you traded your objectivity for hate.

Look at your approach:

-  Based on hate
-  No real research
-  Cut and paste spamming

What I posted overwhelmingly supports his SSN legitimacy as well as lending strong support to him being born here.




Yes, you offer an alternative theory.  Great - that is why we debate these things.  However - without a doctor/hospital signed BC, something verifiable its all a mystery. 


and Ozmo - when bama applied forhis SS in 1977 - what did he present?       


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 09:22:52 AM

Yes, you offer an alternative theory.  Great - that is why we debate these things.  However - without a doctor/hospital signed BC, something verifiable its all a mystery. 


and Ozmo - when bama applied forhis SS in 1977 - what did he present?       


Exactly!  What ever he presented was good enough for the Social Security department at the time.  It was likely a copy of his original. 

Also, what i offered wasn't an "alternative theory", it was facts that led to very likely conclusion that his SSN is correct and valid.  It was slam dunk.  I don't know what was more entertaining....  The zip code thing or exposing you for not doing even the most basic research. 

His birth is not a mystery.  It is only a mystery to those who are easy prey to CT's for what ever reason, yours being because of hate.  Which is probably the same thing that prevents you from doing real research.  Are you afraid about what you might find? 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: LurkerNoMore on April 11, 2011, 10:04:38 AM
That's a black hole mystery?  I think what's more of a mystery is exactly when you traded your objectivity for hate.

Look at your approach:



-  Based on hate
-  No real research
-  Cut and paste spamming


What I posted overwhelmingly supports his SSN legitimacy as well as lending strong support to him being born here.



Good observation.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: FarRightLooney on April 11, 2011, 10:13:32 AM
::) ::)

I'm not spamming anything - they go point by point in the COLB nonsense - notice the difference?   YES or NO?   



Interesting item on the certificate/certification. This new form is the first one I've seen that states "date filed by registrar" other than Obama's. The others have all said "date accepted by registrar." Much has been made of the language used on Obama's COLB - filed vs accepted. Don't get me wrong, I still believe BO ineligible to hold office.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 11, 2011, 11:03:34 AM
oz,

33 will be calling you a kneepadder shortly.  He'll surmise since you aren't accepting his CTs as fact, you are somehow defending obama.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 11:06:00 AM
oz,

33 will be calling you a kneepadder shortly.  He'll surmise since you aren't accepting his CTs as fact, you are somehow defending obama.



No -we are having a debate.   Ozmo is not a hack at all.   He presents good counter arguments, and hopefully your messah will clear this u by releasing his BC recods college records, law school records, etc.     


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 11, 2011, 12:07:56 PM
No -we are having a debate.   Ozmo is not a hack at all.   He presents good counter arguments, and hopefully your messah will clear this u by releasing his BC recods college records, law school records, etc.     


yo fag i only come with facts and ask you to do the same and i get called every name in the book.. and then i accused of being in line with EVERYTHING and thats just not true.. and i get that many many times..


so when we engage one another,, its facts from my end and hyperbole from your end


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 12:10:08 PM

yo fag i only come with facts and ask you to do the same and i get called every name in the book.. and then i accused of being in line with EVERYTHING and thats just not true.. and i get that many many times..


so when we engage one another,, its facts from my end and hyperbole from your end

Its all hope and change from your ass bro.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 11, 2011, 12:13:12 PM
Its all hope and change from your ass bro.   

right.. you have no viable comeback.. so you say shit like that..




Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 12:15:33 PM
right.. you have no viable comeback.. so you say shit like that..





Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 11, 2011, 01:20:47 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA 333 OWNED so badly.  Nice post Beach. 

Time to either close the thread or move it to the CT board.

It's pretty obvious at this stage that any assumption of Obama being born outside of the USA is false and that this thread has become another 'cut and paste' birther sources. 

So please either move it or lock it, don't care which but really it's been done to death, the birthers have been proven wrong.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 11, 2011, 01:25:20 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA 333 OWNED so badly.  Nice post Beach. 

Time to either close the thread or move it to the CT board.

It's pretty obvious at this stage that any assumption of Obama being born outside of the USA is false and that this thread has become another 'cut and paste' birther sources. 

So please either move it or lock it, don't care which but really it's been done to death, the birthers have been proven wrong.




MODS,

Top voices on BOTH sides of the aisle, as well as media and govt of both parties - they are ALL calling this a CT now.

It's not relevant - it's fodder for CT chat now.


WHY IS THIS BIRTHER THREAD STILL HERE?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 11, 2011, 01:26:31 PM
So Dr. Fukino is now in on the conspiracy?  This is gong to cause some major embarrassment for Trump.

yes... he is


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 01:33:05 PM
yes... he is

Its a she you moron.   Again - you = uninformed.     


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 11, 2011, 01:34:09 PM
And we been over this already in detail and you were left looking real ignorant on the matter.

youre getting too close to the truth.  Time for a personal attack!  :)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 01:34:56 PM

The reason i think it shoiuld stay for now is because it's very relevant to politics.

Trumps statements and Birther based campaign have made it a current political issue that's in the news.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 01:36:46 PM
youre getting too close to the truth.  Time for a personal attack!  :)
;D
I still have an issue with that cell phone BS.  I wish aliens would visit and force state governments to abolish that law.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 11, 2011, 01:42:38 PM
Its a she you moron.   Again - you = uninformed.     

Says the idiot who didn't even know anything about Obama's SSN other than some CT from WND hahahahaha

What's it like to be wrong again?   ;D


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 11, 2011, 01:47:22 PM
Loser bump hahaha  ;D


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 11, 2011, 02:28:03 PM
Washington Times Ad: Whose Social Security Number is Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama Using?
Obama Release Your Records ^ | A | obama Release Your Records




- For Immediate Release -- 11 April 2011 -

Whose Social Security Number is President Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama Using? Wash Times National Weekly - 11 Apr 2011 - pg 5 - here, Ad also embedded at end of this post.

Federal lawsuit* accuses putative President Obama is fraudulently using a Social Security Number which is legally not his and which was issued only to residents of the State of Connecticut, a state where Obama never legally resided and certainly not during the time frame of circa 1977 when that SSN was issued!

042-XX-XXXX*

This Social Security Number is reserved for the people of Connecticut NOT Hawaii. Obama never lived in Connecticut, and he certainly wasn't living there when the number was issue in 1977, rather he was a 15 year old attending high school in Hawaii. This Connecticut geographic region SSN was used by Obama to register for the Selective Service System.

Obama was either in HI or in CA attending Occidental College during his late teens when he was required to file and register with the Selective Service System. Use of this SSN by Obama as recently as the year 2008 has been confirmed by two private investigators - Susan Daniels and Neil Sankey.


(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords. blogspot.com ...



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 11, 2011, 02:30:07 PM
Hahaha you've lost so badly it's hilarious.  Are you sure you are even a lawyer?  Cause there isn't even reasonable doubt anymore. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 02:40:52 PM
Washington Times Ad: Whose Social Security Number is Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama Using?
Obama Release Your Records ^ | A | obama Release Your Records




- For Immediate Release -- 11 April 2011 -

Whose Social Security Number is President Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama Using? Wash Times National Weekly - 11 Apr 2011 - pg 5 - here, Ad also embedded at end of this post.

Federal lawsuit* accuses putative President Obama is fraudulently using a Social Security Number which is legally not his and which was issued only to residents of the State of Connecticut, a state where Obama never legally resided and certainly not during the time frame of circa 1977 when that SSN was issued!

042-XX-XXXX*

This Social Security Number is reserved for the people of Connecticut NOT Hawaii. Obama never lived in Connecticut, and he certainly wasn't living there when the number was issue in 1977, rather he was a 15 year old attending high school in Hawaii. This Connecticut geographic region SSN was used by Obama to register for the Selective Service System.

Obama was either in HI or in CA attending Occidental College during his late teens when he was required to file and register with the Selective Service System. Use of this SSN by Obama as recently as the year 2008 has been confirmed by two private investigators - Susan Daniels and Neil Sankey.


(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords. blogspot.com ...



Why are you posting an advertisement?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 11, 2011, 02:41:59 PM
The reason i think it shoiuld stay for now is because it's very relevant to politics.

Trumps statements and Birther based campaign have made it a current political issue that's in the news.



Agree.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 11, 2011, 02:50:37 PM
The reason i think it shoiuld stay for now is because it's very relevant to politics.
Trumps statements and Birther based campaign have made it a current political issue that's in the news.

I see.  I suppose if we could find some current potential candidate with unusual 911 viewpoints, it could be relevant here?

Ron Paul Says 9/11 Investigation "basically a cover-up"

Jesse Ventura: Former Governor of Minnesota, ex-Navy SEAL and retired pro-wrestler Jesse Ventura has renewed the call for a new investigation into the events of 9/11 in the face of dramatic new evidence that is coming to light every week.

Sarah Palin?
Asked by We Are Change Ohio, “Do you support the family members and first responders who are calling for a new 9/11 investigation?,” Palin responded, “I do.”

Mitt Romney Blames Obama for 9/11 Truthers




Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 11, 2011, 03:00:58 PM
I see.  I suppose if we could find some current potential candidate with unusual 911 viewpoints, it could be relevant here?

Ron Paul Says 9/11 Investigation "basically a cover-up"

Jesse Ventura: Former Governor of Minnesota, ex-Navy SEAL and retired pro-wrestler Jesse Ventura has renewed the call for a new investigation into the events of 9/11 in the face of dramatic new evidence that is coming to light every week.

Sarah Palin?
Asked by We Are Change Ohio, “Do you support the family members and first responders who are calling for a new 9/11 investigation?,” Palin responded, “I do.”

Mitt Romney Blames Obama for 9/11 Truthers

No because its not being talked about much in the news right now.  Not even a little bit.  Nothing dramatic has come out other than sensationalized crap for a TV show.   

On top of that the truther movement is fading away.  I posted some info on it in the CT board. 

On the other hand, the Birther movement has recently been on the forefront of many news casts.

You just really like to stir the pot don't ya 240?   :)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 12, 2011, 05:57:45 AM
Its a she you moron.   Again - you = uninformed.     
lol.. it was off the cuff. i take none of this as serious ass wipe.. and i have given absolute zero energy to this matter.. which is why i dont give a shit about "the gender of obamas birth doctor"...

what a retard you are..uh ohhhh. ya girl palin is gonna get me


hahahha tha fuck outta hea


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 225for70 on April 12, 2011, 07:43:24 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Wheres-Birth-Certificate-Eligible-President/dp/1936488299/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1302622826&sr=8-1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ4m5Soqysk



THis book comes out soon.  It's written by Jerome R. Corsi, a Harvard Ph.D., has authored many books, including No. 1 N.Y. Times best-sellers The Obama Nation and Unfit for Command.

This issue is getting a lot of press, and is making the Obama admin shit in there pants..


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: andreisdaman on April 12, 2011, 08:49:41 AM
No -we are having a debate.   Ozmo is not a hack at all.   He presents good counter arguments, and hopefully your messah will clear this u by releasing his BC recods college records, law school records, etc.     


again..you will just say they are faked documents.....you know that will never satisfy you


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 08:52:31 AM

again..you will just say they are faked documents.....you know that will never satisfy you

 ::)  ::)

Where are his SAT, Occidental, Columbia, LSAT, Harvard Law, records as well as the State Senate records?   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: andreisdaman on April 12, 2011, 08:55:04 AM
::)  ::)

Where are his SAT, Occidental, Columbia, LSAT, Harvard Law, records as well as the State Senate records?   

again if he gave those things to you personally in your hand tomorrow you would say the documents are fake or that the person who gave them to you is not the real Obama but a duplicate clone he manufactured with the gov't/s help to fool the public.....your conspiracy-laden mind will never accept the truth


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 09:00:37 AM
again if he gave those things to you personally in your hand tomorrow you would say the documents are fake or that the person who gave them to you is not the real Obama but a duplicate clone he manufactured with the gov't/s help to fool the public.....your conspiracy-laden mind will never accept the truth

If he is so brilliant and smart as you cum stained dolts tries to convince everyone of - wouldnt he be proud to relase his SATand LSAT scores? 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 12, 2011, 09:03:43 AM
::)  ::)

Where are his SAT, Occidental, Columbia, LSAT, Harvard Law, records as well as the State Senate records?   

What do those have to do with the BC?  You're defeated and reduced to what about arguments. 

(http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/03%20your%20argument%20is%20invalid.jpg)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 09:07:38 AM
What do those have to do with the BC?  You're defeated and reduced to what about arguments. 

(http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/03%20your%20argument%20is%20invalid.jpg)

The BC is but one record among many he refuses to release.  Again - if he was as smart, brilliant, and accomplished academically as you clowns say - would he be proud to release his college and law school records?     


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 12, 2011, 09:36:06 AM
The BC is but one record among many he refuses to release.  Again - if he was as smart, brilliant, and accomplished academically as you clowns say - would he be proud to release his college and law school records?     

(http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/110/670/original/154732_10150340450505301_514265300_15740249_7294777_n.jpg?1301698162)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Dos Equis on April 12, 2011, 10:01:29 AM
Kansas board rejects objection to Obama on ballot
By John Milburn
Associated Press
POSTED: 09:06 a.m. HST, Apr 11, 201

TOPEKA, Kan. >> A three-member panel on Monday rejected a Wichita engineer's request that President Barack Obama prove he's eligible to be on the 2012 Kansas ballot by showing a birth certificate.

Dave Shultz had asked the State Objections Board to compel Obama to produce a valid birth certificate to prove that he meets the citizenship requirements to run for president.

"I'm not accusing the man of anything," Shultz said. "Until now, the system seemed to suffice."

The board — Secretary of State Kris Kobach, Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Caleb Stegall representing the lieutenant governor — denied his request, saying that because Obama hasn't filed paperwork to be on the 2012 ballot the board lacks jurisdiction to question his eligibility.

No one from the Obama campaign attended Monday's hearing.

Kobach said the board could only rule on a case in three instances. The first, when papers are filed by a party indicating a candidate has been nominated for an office, if the candidate is to appear on a presidential preference primary, or if the candidate files by petition as an independent.

Kansas is likely to cancel its 2012 primary, meaning Obama would likely appear on the ballot after the September 2012 Democratic National Convention where he is expected to receive the party's nomination.

Once that occurs and the state is notified, residents would have three days to file an objection.

Kobach said proper notification of Obama's filing for office would be made with posting on the secretary of state's web site, as it is with state candidates.

"The task of this board is not to provide you with help for coming back later," Stegall said.

Shultz said he was a registered independent and "a reformer" with strong conservative views. He made his claim relying on his own investigations and information he gleaned from the Internet. He said he tried to "connect the dots" to prove that Obama was a citizen and born in Hawaii, but he was unable to find what he said was valid proof.

Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama's citizenship, and his Hawaiian birth certificates have been made public.

Shultz's claim is similar to concerns raised for the past three years regarding Obama's birth certificate. Critics maintain his birth certificate isn't authentic and raises questions if he is a U.S. citizen as the Constitution requires.

Shultz said Kansas wouldn't be the first state to take action on requiring proof of citizenship to run for president. Arizona and Nebraska are among at least 10 states that have introduced legislation that would change state election laws to require proof of citizenship as a prerequisite for getting a name placed on a ballot.

Shultz also noted Kansas residents will have to prove citizenship to register to vote under a new law Kobach pushed through the Legislature and is awaiting Republican Gov. Sam Brownback's signature.

"There's a groundswell of activity," Shultz said.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/119618039.html


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 11:05:11 AM
If he is so brilliant and smart as you cum stained dolts tries to convince everyone of - wouldnt he be proud to relase his SATand LSAT scores? 

Just a question, why should Obama show those things?   Because other people say he's a brilliant and smart guy?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 11:14:03 AM
Just a question, why should Obama show those things?   Because other people say he's a brilliant and smart guy?

Well, even Bob Woodward said in his personal dealings and witnessing obama iteract with others believes obama always try to portray himself as the smartest person in the room.   Usually if one wants to position themself inthat way it should be based upon something.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 11:15:50 AM
Well, even Bob Woodward said in his personal dealings and witnessing obama iteract with others believes obama always try to portray himself as the smartest person in the room.   Usually if one wants to position themself inthat way it should be based upon something.   

So because Bob Woodward thinks Obama is trying to be the smartest person in the room you feel Obama is obligated to release private information to prove it?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 12, 2011, 11:16:09 AM
Well, even Bob Woodward said in his personal dealings and witnessing obama iteract with others believes obama always try to portray himself as the smartest person in the room.   Usually if one wants to position themself inthat way it should be based upon something.   

(http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/097/586/original/3UMRy.jpg?1297116826)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 11:21:39 AM
So because Bob Woodward thinks Obama is trying to be the smartest person in the room you feel Obama is obligated to release private information to prove it?

Private?   GMAFB.  I got a bad SAT score - 1070.   I got a 161 on my LSAT, graduated in 1997 from Manhattan College with a 3.94 GPA, and graduated Pace Law School in 2000 with a 3.35 GPA, scored in the top 5% of all bar exam takers on the Multi-State, was on te Environmental Law Review as a n editor and wrot my article about recreational activities being subjected to enviro lawsuits and how thy apply to activities protect by the BOR, etc.   

I wrote my college thesis on why the EU was likely to fail and have nothing to hide whatsoever.   What i so provate about an LSAT score unless you did terrible on it not worthy of admission to Harvard Law?     


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 12, 2011, 11:25:16 AM
Private?   GMAFB.  I got a bad SAT score - 1070.   I got a 161 on my LSAT, graduated in 1997 from Manhattan College with a 3.94 GPA, and graduated Pace Law School in 2000 with a 3.35 GPA, scored in the top 5% of all bar exam takers on the Multi-State, was on te Environmental Law Review as a n editor and wrot my article about recreational activities being subjected to enviro lawsuits and how thy apply to activities protect by the BOR, etc.   

I wrote my college thesis on why the EU was likely to fail and have nothing to hide whatsoever.   What i so provate about an LSAT score unless you did terrible on it not worthy of admission to Harvard Law?     

(http://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/097/446/original/tumblr_lg5qv1sc161qa02x4o1_400.jpg?1297029978)


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 11:26:57 AM
Private?   GMAFB.  I got a bad SAT score - 1070.   I got a 161 on my LSAT, graduated in 1997 from Manhattan College with a 3.94 GPA, and graduated Pace Law School in 2000 with a 3.35 GPA, scored in the top 5% of all bar exam takers on the Multi-State, was on te Environmental Law Review as a n editor and wrot my article about recreational activities being subjected to enviro lawsuits and how thy apply to activities protect by the BOR, etc.   

I wrote my college thesis on why the EU was likely to fail and have nothing to hide whatsoever.   What i so provate about an LSAT score unless you did terrible on it not worthy of admission to Harvard Law?     

So because Bob Woodward thinks Obama thinks he's the smartest man int eh room and because you are willing to show anyone your academic records Obama is obligated to?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Kazan on April 12, 2011, 11:30:36 AM
So because Bob Woodward thinks Obama thinks he's the smartest man int eh room and because you are willing to show anyone your academic records Obama is obligated to?

Well seeing as he is the POTUS and claiming to be the most transparent administration ever, don't you find it a little strange that we know virtually nothing about his past?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 11:31:32 AM
So because Bob Woodward thinks Obama thinks he's the smartest man int eh room and because you are willing to show anyone your academic records Obama is obligated to?

Whatever Ozmo - keep your head in the sand.   Even Kerry, Bush, Gore, etc are clean on teir records academically, but the messiah its all a mystery and everyone is like "but he is a con law scholar".  Yeah, ok.   I have met people at Nathan's Famous with more of a clue than Obama yet we ar all supposed to take it at face value that he is some brilliant guy when we really know absolutelynothing about him still!  

Its unreal - you would do more research on the plumber coming in to fix your toilet than you do this asshole.  Think about it.      


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 12, 2011, 11:32:50 AM
Private?   GMAFB.  I got a bad SAT score - 1070.   I got a 161 on my LSAT, graduated in 1997 from Manhattan College with a 3.94 GPA, and graduated Pace Law School in 2000 with a 3.35 GPA, scored in the top 5% of all bar exam takers on the Multi-State, was on te Environmental Law Review as a n editor and wrot my article about recreational activities being subjected to enviro lawsuits and how thy apply to activities protect by the BOR, etc.   

I wrote my college thesis on why the EU was likely to fail and have nothing to hide whatsoever.   What i so provate about an LSAT score unless you did terrible on it not worthy of admission to Harvard Law?     

i threw 4 touchdowns at polk high


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 12, 2011, 11:34:24 AM
Whatever Ozmo - keep your head in the sand.   Even Kerry, Bush, Gore, etc are clean on teir records academically, but the messiah its all a mystery and everyone is like "but he is a con law scholar".  Yeah, ok.   I have met people at Nathan's Famous with more of a clue than Obama yet we ar all supposed to take it at face value that he is some brilliant guy when we really know absolutelynothing about him still!  

Its unreal - you would do more research on the plumber coming in to fix your toilet than you do this asshole.  Think about it.      

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Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 11:35:12 AM
Well seeing as he is the POTUS and claiming to be the most transparent administration ever, don't you find it a little strange that we know virtually nothing about his past?

There are things i'd like to know, such as what's on his long form, but how a person did on tests or in school doesn't mean much to me.  What's important is whether or not he can make the right decisions, have resolve, strong beliefs and get things done through other people.  His SAT score has nothing to do with that.  BTW, i think he's failing at all those things.

So,  i ask again, is Bob Wodwards opinion and 33333 willingness the reason Obama should show these things?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Kazan on April 12, 2011, 11:38:33 AM
There are things i'd like to know, such as what's on his long form, but how a person did on tests or in school doesn't mean much to me.  What's important is whether or not he can make the right decisions, have resolve, strong beliefs and get things done through other people.  His SAT score has nothing to do with that.  BTW, i think he's failing at all those things.

So,  i ask again, is Bob Wodwards opinion and 33333 willingness the reason Obama should show these things?

Since it is a constitutional requirement to be a natural born citizen of the US, and his ability to hold office has been questioned, then I would say yes he is obligated to produce the long form BC. If nothing else than to put an end to this. As far as the rest it is at his discretion to do so.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 11:39:10 AM
There are things i'd like to know, such as what's on his long form, but how a person did on tests or in school doesn't mean much to me.  What's important is whether or not he can make the right decisions, have resolve, strong beliefs and get things done through other people.  His SAT score has nothing to do with that.  BTW, i think he's failing at all those things.

So,  i ask again, is Bob Wodwards opinion and 33333 willingness the reason Obama should show these things?

Its part of the entire narrative of this whole shit show that was put forward to the public in 2008 over Hillary in thepriary as well as McCain in 2008.

My contention is that if we knew te real truth about Obama and his record he would still be lucky to be a state senator in ILL.      


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 12, 2011, 11:40:54 AM
Its part of the entire narrative of this whole shit show that was put forward to the public in 2008 over Hillary in thepriary as well as McCain in 2008.

My contention is that if we knew te real truth about Obama and his record he would still be lucky to be a state senator in ILL.      

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Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 11:41:32 AM
Whatever Ozmo - keep your head in the sand.   Even Kerry, Bush, Gore, etc are clean on teir records academically, but the messiah its all a mystery and everyone is like "but he is a con law scholar".  Yeah, ok.   I have met people at Nathan's Famous with more of a clue than Obama yet we ar all supposed to take it at face value that he is some brilliant guy when we really know absolutelynothing about him still!  

Its unreal - you would do more research on the plumber coming in to fix your toilet than you do this asshole.  Think about it.      

After not even researching some of the basic information on Obama's SSN, you actually have the gall to accuse me of keeping my head int he sand?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

You don't know anything about Obama because you choose too.  FFS

And now, your argument is changing from Bob Woodward and yourself to 1 x-president, 1 x-vp, and one former candidate willingness as the reason OBama should?

You are making very little sense.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 11:43:23 AM
Since it is a constitutional requirement to be a natural born citizen of the US, and his ability to hold office has been questioned, then I would say yes he is obligated to produce the long form BC. If nothing else than to put an end to this. As far as the rest it is at his discretion to do so.

Fair enough.  But from what i understand he has met the legal requirements.   And it seems that any attempt to force him to do more has been turned down repeatedly.  Fro example:  BB's last post.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 11:44:26 AM
Its part of the entire narrative of this whole shit show that was put forward to the public in 2008 over Hillary in thepriary as well as McCain in 2008.

My contention is that if we knew te real truth about Obama and his record he would still be lucky to be a state senator in ILL.      

So now Obama should show his academic records based on your assumption? 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 11:46:11 AM
So, it should go something like this:

OBAMA IS OBLIGATED TO SHOW HIS ACADEMIC RECORDS!

Source: 333333



Sound about right?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Kazan on April 12, 2011, 11:46:54 AM
Fair enough.  But from what i understand he has met the legal requirements.   And it seems that any attempt to force him to do more has been turned down repeatedly.  Fro example:  BB's last post.   

Well the article doesn't actually say that, it says Obama hasn't filed to be on the ballet so there is nothing for them to do at this point.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
Why should we even have to have this fucking debate about the guy allowed to order people to war?

Think about that.  Its ok - he is a cool black guy in shades so its ok we know absolutely nothing about his background since toinsist on that is racist.   ::)  ::)

Fuck that - you guys wouldnt hire obama to fix a toilet in you house, yet hire him to be POTUS.   Nice.    

    


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 12, 2011, 11:47:37 AM
this shit has me on the floor....


jet plane in the alley.. LMAO


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Kazan on April 12, 2011, 11:50:07 AM
So now Obama should show his academic records based on your assumption? 

Well I am from Illinois and I can tell you I had never heard of Obama before he managed to become the Jr Senator from Illinois. Then there is the whole Jack Ryan debacle, divorce records being unsealed and other shit that basically gave the election to Obama.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 11:51:57 AM
So now Obama should show his academic records based on your assumption? 

No - based on fucking reality.   People getting a job at Walmart or night security at a local bank face more scrutiny than obama did.     


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 11:53:47 AM
No - based on fucking reality.   People getting a job at Walmart or night security at a local bank face more scrutiny than obama did.     

I am sorry 333333,  when people apply at Walmart they are required to provide all their academic records?   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 11:55:18 AM
Well I am from Illinois and I can tell you I had never heard of Obama before he managed to become the Jr Senator from Illinois. Then there is the whole Jack Ryan debacle, divorce records being unsealed and other shit that basically gave the election to Obama.

Sounds like that Eddie Murphy movie.  lol


I know this guy came out of nowhere and snagged a Senate seat, then got the presidency.  He can't be an idiot just based on that.   


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 12, 2011, 11:55:25 AM
Why should we even have to have this fucking debate about the guy allowed to order people to war?

Think about that.  Its ok - he is a cool black guy in shades so its ok we know absolutely nothing about his background since toinsist on that is racist.   ::)  ::)

Fuck that - you guys wouldnt hire obama to fix a toilet in you house, yet hire him to be POTUS.   Nice.    

    

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Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 11:57:19 AM
Why should we even have to have this fucking debate about the guy allowed to order people to war?

Think about that.  Its ok - he is a cool black guy in shades so its ok we know absolutely nothing about his background since toinsist on that is racist.   ::)  ::)

Fuck that - you guys wouldnt hire obama to fix a toilet in you house, yet hire him to be POTUS.   Nice.    

    

I'd want to make sure he was a licensed and bonded plummer.  I wouldn't care about his academic records.  As far meeting the requirements for POTUS, which ones did he fail to meet to the satisfaction of the US Government?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 12:01:45 PM
I'm just trying to find the reasoning as to why OBama is obligated to show his academic records.  So far here's what i've been told:


1.  Because Bob Woodward says Obama thinks he's the smartest guy in the room

2.  Because 333333 is willing to show his (Show me yours and I'll show you mine?  sounds like there's some curiosity in 33333's hatred for Obama)

3.  Because i wouldn't let Obama in my house if he was a plumber.




Yeah, 3333  lets file a law suit based on those 3 reasons!


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Kazan on April 12, 2011, 12:05:32 PM
Sounds like that Eddie Murphy movie.  lol


I know this guy came out of nowhere and snagged a Senate seat, then got the presidency.  He can't be an idiot just based on that.   

Being an idiot is debatable, or he simply had the right handlers? Who knows


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 12:06:36 PM
I'd want to make sure he was a licensed and bonded plummer.  I wouldn't care about his academic records.  As far meeting the requirements for POTUS, which ones did he fail to meet to the satisfaction of the US Government?

Yeah - and most people ask for references from other satisified people and customers who dealt with that plumber before giving them the job.   Funny how Joe the Plumber went under more scrutiny than bama did now that we are discussing plumbers.  

Face it - you would not hire obama even to mow your lawn with his record yet because he was a cool black dude who could string together a sentence and say over and over he was not bush you voted for him.   You bought into a line of bullshit no different than a fat slob at 4 am in a bar being pursued by a slick taking player and went home and got date raped.  

As for his "record" there is NOTHING at all.   Please again tell mewhat you based your decision on to vote for him?

as for the BC issue - its another in  long ine of bizarre mysteries than any other normal person would have been forced to fadeinto obscuritiy over.    
          


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 12:13:51 PM
I'm just trying to find the reasoning as to why OBama is obligated to show his academic records.  So far here's what i've been told:


1.  Because Bob Woodward says Obama thinks he's the smartest guy in the room

2.  Because 333333 is willing to show his (Show me yours and I'll show you mine?  sounds like there's some curiosity in 33333's hatred for Obama)

3.  Because i wouldn't let Obama in my house if he was a plumber.




Yeah, 3333  lets file a law suit based on those 3 reasons!


 ::)  ::)

Yawn - we sholdnt need lawsuits to learn the most basic info about people capable of starting wars.  Jesus - WTF is wrong with you? 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 12:16:10 PM
Being an idiot is debatable, or he simply had the right handlers? Who knows

That's what they said about Regan.  I don't care, I still loved him.  Obama is another story.  
Yeah - and most people ask for references from other satisified people and customers who dealt with that plumber before giving them the job.   Funny how Joe the Plumber went under more scrutiny than bama did now that we are discussing plumbers.  

Face it - you would not hire obama even to mow your lawn with his record yet because he was a cool black dude who could string together a sentence and say over and over he was not bush you voted for him.   You bought into a line of bullshit no different than a fat slob at 4 am in a bar being pursued by a slick taking player and went home and got date raped.  

As for his "record" there is NOTHING at all.   Please again tell mewhat you based your decision on to vote for him?

as for the BC issue - its another in  long ine of bizarre mysteries than any other normal person would have been forced to fadeinto obscuritiy over.    
          


He lost me when he was campaigning and said i should learn to speak Spanish instead of Spanish only people in this country having to learn English.

Also, I have hired guys to mow my lawn i know nothing about.  They are called day laborers.  Drive by your local Home Depot and ask them for their academic records.  (make sure to ask in Spanish)

So far, with a little research i haven't came across anything mysterious or bizarre yet.  Other than his policies and decisions.  



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 12, 2011, 12:16:22 PM

 ::)  ::)

Yawn - we sholdnt need lawsuits to learn the most basic info about people capable of starting wars.  Jesus - WTF is wrong with you? 

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Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 12:17:20 PM

 ::)  ::)

Yawn - we sholdnt need lawsuits to learn the most basic info about people capable of starting wars.  Jesus - WTF is wrong with you? 

Then start a movement and make it a law.  


You should be rolling your eyes are yourself, using that crap for an argument.  


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 12:18:01 PM
Yawn - we know more about George Washington from 1776 and his background than bama but that is all fine with you guys.   Face it - you morons who voted for this shit show have nothingut excuses and obfuscations now to justify the mess your stupidity unleashed of the rest of us.    


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 12:18:08 PM
So 33333, are you saying there should be a academic requirement to be POTUS?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 12:18:59 PM

Then start a movement and make it a law.  


You should be rolling your eyes are yourself, using that crap for an argument.  

Yeah - a national movement is needed to learn even the most basic things about people e entrust with the ability to start a war.   ::)  ::) 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 12:19:10 PM
Yawn - we know more about George Washington from 1776 and his background than bama but that is all fine with you guys.   Face it - you morons who voted for this shit show have nothingut excuses and obfuscations now to justify the mess your stupidity unleashed of the rest of us.    

See, now you are a getting all ad hom.  chill out.  Go beat up an immigrant or something to cool off.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 12:20:07 PM
Yeah - a national movement is needed to learn even the most basic things about people e entrust with the ability to start a war.   ::)  ::) 

Yes, that's how it works in a republic. 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 12, 2011, 12:21:02 PM
Yawn - we know more about George Washington from 1776 and his background than bama but that is all fine with you guys.   Face it - you morons who voted for this shit show have nothingut excuses and obfuscations now to justify the mess your stupidity unleashed of the rest of us.    

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Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 12:21:20 PM
So 33333, are you saying there should be a academic requirement to be POTUS?


No - but if one claims to have went to occidential, columbia, and harvard law school, the least thing to expect would be that they release their records from said institutios to see if they are what they advertise themselves to be.

so far, your messiah has released nothig and has shown not a damn thing warranting the designation of him being some smart, brilliant, scholar.   So again - why did you vote for this and based on what?          


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 12:26:05 PM

No - but if one claims to have went to occidential, columbia, and harvard law school, the least thing to expect would be that they release their records from said institutios to see if they are what they advertise themselves to be.

so far, your messiah has released nothig and has shown not a damn thing warranting the designation of him being some smart, brilliant, scholar.   So again - why did you vote for this and based on what?          

Why do you that 33333?

When you are pressed you start accusing me of seeing Obama as a messiah.   When have i ever acted like he my messiah?  do you think i am a Benny gimmick or something?


Back to your faltering argument:

What has Obama advertised himself to be?

And did he not go to those schools?
 


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 12, 2011, 12:32:00 PM

Why do you that 33333?

When you are pressed you start accusing me of seeing Obama as a messiah.   When have i ever acted like he my messiah?  do you think i am a Benny gimmick or something?


Back to your faltering argument:

What has Obama advertised himself to be?

And did he not go to those schools?
 

he likes doin that.. he says im lockstep with obama... when way before that ive told this assface that there like 5 things policy wise that i didnt like about obama.. i dont get into the obama is a communist shit.. so im a obamabot.. this fuckin guy


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 12:36:46 PM
Are you freaking kidding?   Seriously - Obama and his sycophantic lemmings positioned him as some con law scholar and perhaps the smartest potus since Lincoln.   Based on what?   Why he went to columbia and harvard and taught con law.  Yet - he wont release those records and people who worked with him said he never did a god damnned thing.  

At this point I believe obama was never qualified for columbia or harvard and was pushed along due to factors obviously unrelated to his performance.    

I believe nothing was required of him and never he accomplished a damn thing.   He was the cool black kid amongst guilt ridden white liberal leftists who cheered on his bullshit.  This same circus act got him to POTUS and where we are today.   I believe that 100%.  i deal with attorneys every day who make obama seem like a bathroom attendant at best.   

His refusal to release any records, at least to me, is an attempt to cover that up as well as other bizarre shit that he and most others know would resut in him never getting elected to anything.   I aso believe he applied to college as a foreign exchange student from indonesia for eitheraid or affirmative action reasons.               


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 12:37:41 PM
he likes doin that.. he says im lockstep with obama... when way before that ive told this assface that there like 5 things policy wise that i didnt like about obama.. i dont get into the obama is a communist shit.. so im a obamabot.. this fuckin guy

You either see it as 33333 does, half blind folded, or you are a kneepadder.  

there's no gray area.   :D


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: tu_holmes on April 12, 2011, 12:40:39 PM
Are you freaking kidding?   Seriously - Obama and his sycophantic lemmings positioned him as some con law scholar and perhaps the smartest potus since Lincoln.   Based on what?   Why he went to columbia and harvard and taught con law.  Yet - he wont release those records and people who worked with him said he never did a god damnned thing. 

At this point I believe obama was never qualified for columbia or harvard and was pushed along due to factors obviously unrelated to his performance.     

I believe nothing was required of him and never he accomplished a damn thing.   He was the cool black kid amongst guilt ridden white liberal leftists who cheered on his bullshit.  This same circus act got him to POTUS and where we are today.   I believe that 100%.  i deal with attorneys every day who make obama seem like a bathroom attendant at best.   

His refusal to release any records, at least to me, is an attempt to cover that up as well as other bizarre shit that he and most others know would resut in him never getting elected to anything.   I aso believe he applied to college as a foreign exchange student from indonesia for eitheraid or affirmative action reasons.               

If that's the case then Obama is the only cool kid in the country who gets that without having to play sports... Luckiest black kid on the planet.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 12:44:57 PM
Are you freaking kidding?   Seriously - Obama and his sycophantic lemmings positioned him as some con law scholar and perhaps the smartest potus since Lincoln.   Based on what?   Why he went to columbia and harvard and taught con law.  Yet - he wont release those records and people who worked with him said he never did a god damnned thing.  

So you're mad at his PR people?

Oh yeah i forgot you often make decisions and assumptions without researching or you only research the sources that back upi your assumptions.  I get it.
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At this point I believe obama was never qualified for columbia or harvard and was pushed along due to factors obviously unrelated to his performance.    

And this is based on what facts?  Or is this just the same assumptions you had with the SSN?  You know where you didn't really check into anything.  You just shoved your nose up Mike Savage's ass or the likes of him and believed what ever you read with out checking?

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I believe nothing was required of him and never he accomplished a damn thing. 
 

Yeah, he didn't have to campaign to be president, he didn't have to come from behind in the primaries, he didn't win the presidential election.  

what a loser Obama is.  

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He was the cool black kid amongst guilt ridden white liberal leftists who cheered on his bullshit.  This same circus act got him to POTUS and where we are today.   I believe that 100%.  i deal with attorneys every day who make obama seem like a bathroom attendant at best. 
 

Well based on obscene lack of objectivity i believe you believe that.  

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His refusal to release any records, at least to me, is an attempt to cover that up as well as other bizarre shit that he and most others know would resut in him never getting elected to anything.   I aso believe he applied to college as a foreign exchange student from indonesia for eitheraid or affirmative action reasons.   
     

At times, after reading this buffet of asinine assumptions, I am amazed you are not a 9/11 nut job also.        


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 12:51:23 PM
If that's the case then Obama is the only cool kid in the country who gets that without having to play sports... Luckiest black kid on the planet.

Its not like that in academia.   I was on law review myself and dealt with all of this shit.   I know people like obama and they are a fucking joke.   Its mostly infested with uber-leftist white guilt ridden panzies and pussies who never say a damn thing unless it composts with the ultra left anti-white, anti-america, anti-west, anti-euro, anti-capitalism memo. 

People like obama are never pushed, never questioned, never held to account, never challenge because the white leftists are way too afraid of the dreaded R word.   People who worked with obama said he got away with murder as far as missing deadlines, not woking, never doing anything, and accomplishing nothing.   

I believe his entire facade of being some intellectual type fits right into that.  He is no more intellectual than Richard Simmons  as far as I am concerned.

The BC issue is but one of many of these mysteries and passes he has gotten from the MSM and other groups for fear of the dreaded R word.       


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Option D on April 12, 2011, 12:56:23 PM
   I know people like obama and they are a fucking joke.   .       

You know some Presidents?


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 12, 2011, 01:31:31 PM
You know some Presidents?

hahaha this guy is failing so bad it's almost unbearable.  Almost hahaha. 

 :D


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 01:42:33 PM
President of the local rotary club has more leadership experience than bama.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: kcballer on April 12, 2011, 01:46:07 PM
President of the local rotary club has more leadership experience than bama.


Ooo burn to Obama!  Watching you fail yet again is  :D


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 01:49:17 PM
President of the local rotary club has more leadership experience than bama.

And his SSN is authentic too!


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: 240 is Back on April 12, 2011, 02:03:33 PM
Oz,

333 would be the biggest 911 skeptic here - if it happened between 92 and 2000, or 2009 and the present.



Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: OzmO on April 12, 2011, 02:12:51 PM
Oz,

333 would be the biggest 911 skeptic here - if it happened between 92 and 2000, or 2009 and the present.


That's what I don't understand because they are essentially the same arguments.


Title: Re: All things "Birther" Thread
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 12, 2011, 03:56:26 PM
Friday, January 7, 2011
OCON DOCS: Hawaii Ballot Chief...Grandma, Called Obama To Hawaii In 2008
. UPDATED 1/17/11
http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/o-con-had-legal-help-from-non-partisan.html


New analysis of Democrat Party's official 2008 Certification of Nominations for Obama reveals that reasons for his sudden trip to Hawaii in October, 2008 were to visit more than just his sick grandmother. Hawaiian election laws, media accounts and post-dated documents reveal he may have attended a private hearing with the Hawaiian Chief Elections Officer regarding his disqualification from the Hawaiian ballot due to lack of certified Constitutional eligibility.


by Pen Johannson
Editor, The Daily Pen

Honolulu, Hawaii - At the center of the war over Barack Obama’s illegitimacy as president are a series of deep seated, unanswered questions about the detailed involvement of several municipal employees and officials within the government of the State of Hawaii. From former governor, Linda Lingle’s convenient deniability, to former Health Department director, Chiyome Fukino’s intentionally misleading statements about Obama’s vital records. From the blatant, dismissive ignorance of Hawaii’s legislature about the difference between "U.S. Citizenship" and "Natural-born citizenship", to the claims by a former Honolulu senior elections office clerk that the State of Hawaii does not possess an original, 1961 Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Obama, the State of Hawaii has emerged as the primary co-conspirator in keeping Obama’s identity a well kept secret from the American people.


 Now, however, a new investigation of Hawaii’s Election Commission and the laws used by the state’s Office of Elections to approve or deny candidates for inclusion on presidential ballots raises shocking revelations about the administrative power held by too few unaccountable officials and their unmonitored capacity to override the U.S. Constitution. The evidence reveals that municipal agents, working within the jurisdiction of Hawaii state law and complex administrative rules, opened shadowy legal channels which, ultimately, enabled Obama with an opportunity to usurp presidential power and assault the Constitutional sovereignty of the American people.


SETTING THE STAGE


The details of the following account seem somewhat daunting, and even overly exhaustive. However, it is more important to remember that Obama's handlers engaged the prerequisites of his illegitimacy with exhaustive investigation and extreme premeditation long before they pushed him onto his present stage. They looked at all the angles. They weighed all the concequences. They engaged all the legal provisions, and how to "bend", but not break, them. The evidence reveals they may have even pushed too hard on the limits of lawful conduct.


If those seeking the truth about Obama's identity are not equal to that same diligence, then they should question their understanding of the importance of constitutional sovereignty. Remember, among the primary objectives of liberal globalists, in concealing Obama's identity and, ultimately, his illegitimacy, was the endowment of executive political power to a like-minded, radical agent who would "push" extreme doctrine enabling the governmental confiscation of advanced American invidualism. Otherwise, if that truth fails to impress, then we should simply consider the massive five trillion dollars of added indebtedness upon our children and grandchildren, since Democrats took over the government in 2006, the cost of being America.


By now, America is realizing that Obama was tactically positioned not to make America a better nation for all of its citizens, but rather to confiscate the value of America's superior, prosperous heritage and redistribute it to those he and the liberal establishment believes are more deserving of it, globally! Obama's desire for economic equality is motivated by the very same communistic values which have failed humanity for more than 200 years.


However, since communism cannot succeed in America, the neo-liberal establishment is exploiting the executive powers usurped by Obama as a President to enact "punitive" legislation which, essentially, redirects money from vintage American society into an epic liberal cause sought since the end of World War II. Two generations ago, the American people sought to prosper from their work. Now, under Obama, the definition of a new "American Dream" has been hijacked by those lusting to make a profit by defaming the prosperity and sacrifice of coming generations.


Therefore, our momentary visit into the realm of plausibility serves well the value of our new found lessons and reinforces the importance for the American people to seize responsibility and proactively protect the sovereignty of their blood-ransomed, Constitutional freedom. Sometimes, in order to accomplish this, we must vigorously deny access to those with plural, or ambiguous, allegiances. Otherwise, we should resign ourselves to the idea that our value as the last hope for humanity can never be defended or preserved. Unless of course, we are willing to cast out the peddlers of corrupt ideas.


Expulsion is an essential first step in physically removing foul influences which undermine the intended goodness of our founders. This starts by identifying and exposing the components of corruption by members of this radical ruling class. The following report is just one of many authored by other Americans which attempts, in small part, to do this.


THE "O" CON

Recall, over the past two years, we became familiar with the furor over the Democrat Party of Hawaii's refusal to certify Obama's constitutional eligibility. The DPH is the Democrat Party authority in Hawaii in charge of requesting, reviewing and verifying the legal qualifications of a candidate's eligibility for inclusion on the Hawaiian ballot, in compliance with state and Constitutional election laws.


Ultimately, the DPH's rejection of Obama was due to a refusal by Obama to make available the original documented evidence confirming his eligibility. However, this justifiable lack of certification by the DPH was followed by a covert attempt by the Democratic National Committee, chaired by Nancy Pelosi, to artificially proclaim Obama eligible in Hawaii by submitting two separate, sworn Official Certifications of Nomination (OCON) for Obama, each containing different legal language. Both versions of the OCON were sent to the Hawaiian Office of Elections while only one version was submitted to other states' Election authorities. The DNC's fraudulent OCON was an obvious, desperate attempt to control damage and prevent Obama from being disqualified from the Hawaiian ballot and prevent public awareness of the DPH's refusal to certify Obama's eligibility.


. The Official Certification of Nomination is a legally required document submitted by each party's state and national authority to every state elections committee authority prior to each election. It affords the Chief Elections Officer in each state with the documented legal assurance that the candidates seeking inclusion on their state's ballot are indeed certified as constitutionally eligible to serve the office they seek.


Unfortunately, the violation committed by the DNC's falsified certification is that there was no evidence to support claims of Obama's eligibility. The DNC simply fabricated reasons over the authority of the state party authority in order to force Obama's candidacy onto the Hawaiian presidential ballot. Of course, Democrats claim there was no impropriety on the part of Pelosi and the DNC. However, they have failed to explain why the state party authority refused to certify Obama, due to his lack of legal qualifications, while the national party authority simply certified Obama, ignoring that same lack of legal qualifications. The lack of accountability makes the Democrat Party appear pathetically disreputable. The DNC is not served by the multiple state party authorities, it is there to serve the state party authorities. Federal constitutional law prescribes the mandates for Presidential eligibility, but state authorities have the responsibility for validating candidate authenticity for their own ballot.


The OCON controversy is an example of what happens when dishonest, inferior people try to force themselves into positions of power they are not qualified to assume. Even those who seek to uphold the honorability of service at the local level, within their own party, will eventually refuse to endorse their candidacy if the disparity of legal qualifications becomes irreconcilable. Not only was the dual OCON a deceitful maneuver by Nancy Pelosi and DNC to synthetically place Obama's inauthentic candidacy onto Hawaii's presidential ballot, it violated Constitutional election law requiring that each state maintains the sovereign authority to grant or deny ballot inclusion based on their own standards.


Most egregious, however, the agents running Obama's political machine, those of legal mindedness, knew beforehand this very intraparty conflict legally enabled the Chief Elections Officer of Hawaii, Kevin Cronin, to invoke an obscure law and approve Obama's inclusion on the Hawaiian presidential ballot...even though Obama was never determined with irrefutable documented evidence to be constitutionally eligible to appear on the ballot.


SCHATZ' ASCENDANCE


Compounding the OCON controversy is the elevation of several minor characters of the "Obama For President" script into positions of significant professional and political advancement. Since Obama's election, multiple employees and officials in Hawaii have been promoted, transfered or elected to higher positions after they played integral roles in assisting Obama's enthronement.


In August, 2008, just two months before the election, the Democrat Party of Hawaii’s (DPH) chairman, Brian Schatz, had already refused to include legally required, explicit language in its sworn Official Certification of Nomination (OCON) that Barack Obama was qualified to serve as President under the provisions of the U.S. Constitution. The DPH's OCON document was allegedly submitted to the Hawaiian Election's office between August 27th and September 5th, 2008.
. Former DPH C