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Title: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 26, 2010, 08:02:52 PM
Never thought I'd consider going totally clean and staying that way, but I'm feeling like I look good enough to become natty and possibly compete for a Mr. Getbig crown??? Last pic for the white boi haturs.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 27, 2010, 04:44:58 PM
if you saw the before "ab" shots, you'd consider this a Shawn Ray shot LOL.

I disagree with 30-40 lbs, just from experience I know that it's more like 20-25 lbs before I'm decently lean. Although being clean may make that all messed up. Idk.

Let's just say this represents a significant improvement from a couple months ago LOL.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 27, 2010, 04:48:47 PM
Here's a repost of a pic from idk, 6 years ago, while on AAS, at the same weight as the pics above. It's been posted before but it's just for reference between a clean 195 and a juiced 195.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 27, 2010, 05:36:16 PM
Yeah... I just found some old physical pics of me the days after my last show... I'll need to find a scanner to put them up. This is the only one I have on this comp... I think I'm in the low 170's here. And the undies pics in the 180's, but after my pec and quad tear so it was hard to train with intensity.

These are reposts, but I'm putting them here for comparison.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 27, 2010, 05:39:59 PM
I think I'm going for the white undies level of leanness this summer. Not diced, not dying of deprivation but lean enough to be in single digits (or close). Although I don't remember what I was on at that time, I do know it was moderately low doses as my heavier dose days were behind me.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: newmom on April 27, 2010, 05:47:36 PM
Nice quads in the clean Pics...good for you for going clean...How do you feel? By the way, good looking strong guy for sure


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 27, 2010, 06:15:38 PM
I feel pretty good, all things considered. My training has evolved over the years (whether on or off) to a safer, lighter style but shorter rest periods and more time under tension. I used to incline press 160's for reps, leg press up to 30 plates and curl 60's (I know that's not terribly strong)... close grip 315 for lots of reps, etc.

I tore my pec benching heavy (steroid related as I was repping for 6, muscle tore from tendon) and tore my quad leg pressing (tore at the hip). After recovery, I began training much differently.

So to answer the question, I'm probably 10% weaker all around than when I was last on AAS. I'm definitely thinner and smaller. I was around 215 last summer. 195 now. But I'm holding strength pretty well and hit the gym most everyday.

Libido is unaffected. Life as usual ;)


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Butterbean on April 28, 2010, 06:25:27 AM
Looking solid RM...yes, compete in Mr. GB 4!


I knew newmom would be in here ;D


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 28, 2010, 09:15:29 AM
You think I could win it? I have no mind to compete unless I can win.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: tonymctones on April 28, 2010, 09:21:59 AM
you rearden how big of a difference do you think the AAS made on your body fat?

you think it was soley AAS or where you eating better while on?


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 28, 2010, 09:55:48 AM
you rearden how big of a difference do you think the AAS made on your body fat?

you think it was soley AAS or where you eating better while on?


It's hard to quantify. I eat a LOT less now than I did then. In the 195 pic on AAS I was eating 5-6 times a day, large protein filled meals and lots of carbs around training time. Probably 3500 cals/day.

Now, I eat 3-4 times a day. Sometimes a meal is a piece of fruit and a granola bar. Just now I had a stuffed quahog as a meal. I eat only about 2000 cals/day now, sometimes a bit more or less. I'm 195 in the pics at the beginning.

I know my metabolism has changed. Back in the day if I went off AAS I was around 180-185 and soft within 3-4 months. Now, I'm able to hold 200 easily without even eating much, and training moderately hard.

As far as fat loss, I think the AAS helped me stay muscular while I was dieting, but it could have just been my metabolism was faster while I was in my mid 20's.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: tonymctones on April 28, 2010, 10:11:35 AM
It's hard to quantify. I eat a LOT less now than I did then. In the 195 pic on AAS I was eating 5-6 times a day, large protein filled meals and lots of carbs around training time. Probably 3500 cals/day.

Now, I eat 3-4 times a day. Sometimes a meal is a piece of fruit and a granola bar. Just now I had a stuffed quahog as a meal. I eat only about 2000 cals/day now, sometimes a bit more or less. I'm 195 in the pics at the beginning.

I know my metabolism has changed. Back in the day if I went off AAS I was around 180-185 and soft within 3-4 months. Now, I'm able to hold 200 easily without even eating much, and training moderately hard.

As far as fat loss, I think the AAS helped me stay muscular while I was dieting, but it could have just been my metabolism was faster while I was in my mid 20's.
interesting...do you think that when you came off back in the day and where soft in 3 or 4 months it had more to do with your eating or the lack of aas?

thanks for the info bro


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 28, 2010, 11:17:26 AM
In my first few years of using AAS (early to mid 20's), I stayed on for 5-6 months, sometimes longer, and came off for 3-4 months, sometimes shorter.

I made gains every year. My first cycle I went from 140-180, then down to 165 after. Then up to 190, then down to 170. Then I pushed up to 200, held it for a year, came off and dropped to 180. After that, I competed. I competed at 161-171 lbs.

After competing, I blew up to 210-215 in good condition. I have no pics of this time :( but it was the best (BB wise) I ever looked. Shortly after, I tore my pec. A year later, my quad.

In the years since, I've been off as much as on. In the last 3 years I've been clean twice as much as on. I'm sure the years of training and eating while on and off helped build a base that doesn't need AAS to maintain. I've always trained whether on or off.

To answer your question, I believe that when I came off AAS, I'd notice a drop in strength and size. I'd try to eat more to compensate. I'd invariably overeat to try to stay "big" and would end up soft. Even so, I'd drop into the low 180's (which at my height is not "small", but feels like it to me), so the actual drop in muscle was 20-30 lbs, which is significant.

I think I probably only dropped 10-15 lbs of muscle this time while off. And that's over an extended period, eating maybe 100-130g protein/day and taking absolutely zero supplements, not even protein powder.

I either have muscle maturity, metabolism or some miraculously stable hormones to credit for this. It's a mystery to me, actually.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: tonymctones on April 28, 2010, 04:17:44 PM
cool to bad you dont have any pics of you when you where 210ish...one of my old coaches told me once to take picture b/c one day you wont look like that anymore lol

you think the AAS had anything to do with your tears?

just curious is all ive always been natural but have of course thought about using from time to time, doubt I ever will but who knows in another couple years I may say screw it and try it out...


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 28, 2010, 05:16:22 PM
I don't know conclusively if the AAS contributed to or caused the tears. I trained waaaay too heavy for my frame at that time. I blame Flex magazine! :P

In all likelyhood, the AAS contributed to the tears. I'm also to blame, as I trained heavy and barely ever stretched. Bad combo.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 28, 2010, 05:20:57 PM
today 193.5 in AM


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: tonymctones on April 28, 2010, 06:44:18 PM
I don't know conclusively if the AAS contributed to or caused the tears. I trained waaaay too heavy for my frame at that time. I blame Flex magazine! :P

In all likelyhood, the AAS contributed to the tears. I'm also to blame, as I trained heavy and barely ever stretched. Bad combo.
LOL I agree, i blame my shoulder on training to heavy and MD those bastards!!!  ;D


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 29, 2010, 06:42:30 AM
I'm having a hard time cutting calories... I'm enjoying too much the organic and farm fresh foods I'm getting these days.

Yesterday:

- 4 egg free range egg omelette with red, green and yellow peppers, canadian bacon, red onion. 1/2 cup oatmeal w tbsp brown sugar and pinch of sea salt. Kenyan coffee.

- stuffed quahog (31c, 10p, 2f) and salad with cherry tomatoes, red onions, sauteed asparagus, grapes and feta.

- chicken salad sandwich made with chunks of baked chicken, red grapes, pine nuts and low fat mayo on rye bread (I usually don't eat bread but couldn't pass this sandwich up)

- banana, low fat granola bar & tootsie pop after gym. Should have some protein but meh.

- huuuge steak, free range and grilled to perfection, roasted homefries and sauteed zucchini.

Right around 2200 cals probably. Totally an estimate. I need to be around 1800 to lose, though.

193.5 again this AM


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 29, 2010, 06:48:30 AM
me lookin chubby in teh face and lower back, but I had an arm pump LOL.

Check out the back cyst on the chubby dude in the background  :-X


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 29, 2010, 07:04:26 AM
yeah dude, I know HOW to diet, I just have a hard time feeling like it's worth it  :D

I ate chicken or white fish and steamed broccoli exclusively for almost a month before my last show. You have no concept of hunger unless you've done that.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 29, 2010, 07:31:06 AM
Ha, it's appreciated bro... It's just hard for me to care enough to get in that kind of shape again. That's why I competed in the first place, because if I hadn't I'd never have cared enough to stick with it.

I know competing is out for me now. I don't have the time or resources to do it even IF I wanted to give up my social life to do so. Nah, I like drinking on the weekends, eating pizza etc... I just want a kick ass beach body LOL.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 29, 2010, 07:57:42 AM
Your physique pulls girls. Mine gets noticed and people ask questions but attracts fewer. That's ok though I'm very happy with my GF, I just wanna look good cuz I'm narcissistic LOL.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 29, 2010, 08:48:43 AM
Is that all the same guy?

Seems like slide 2 & 3 are attainable naturally, 4 & 5 could be attained by a former user who is clean. I'd be pretty happy with slide 5, although I'd prefer bigger shoulders and arms.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 29, 2010, 09:21:08 AM
Yeah sorry didn't answer that...

When I was on AAS I'd eat 30-40g protein at least w each meal. Often, I'd eat a 1lb steak or a giant amount of sushi that doubled that amount. But mostly I'd eat 200-300g a day when weighing around 200lbs.

Last year when I got up to 215 (admittedly not terribly lean... let me find some pics...) I'd just make sure I ate a lot. A normal day was like this:

- 10 egg whites w 2 yolks, 2 packets quaker apple cinnamon oatmeal, banana.

- Train

- shake with 100g carbs from fruit and juice, and 40g protein

- turkey or steak tips and rice, large size, from restaurant

- Syntha 6 shake in afternoon

- TGIF for dinner, either steak and potato or dragonfire chicken w extra breast (friendly w bartender :) )

- Syntha 6 shake before bed.

Now that I'm clean, I eat much less and don't use supplements, as I can't metabolize protein like I was then. So the post I put up this morning is a typical day, although I don't usually eat bread and it's more likely to be leftovers from dinner for lunch.

So, at my biggest, 200-300g a day. Now, maybe 120-150g on most days, although on occasion I'll mow 200g.

I should point out, though, that the biggest gains I ever made were between the two years I competed, and I ate a diet extremely carb dense. I used to take a whole pizza, take the cheese off and eat it. I used to eat whole boxes of cereal in a sitting. Here's what a day looked like then.

- 2 bagels w jelly, 2 bowls cereal (usually honeycomb or corn pops lol), 10 egg whites, 2 yolks

- 2 Mesotech bars or Myoplex bars. The old ones. basically candy bars.

- giant plate of steamed chicken and rice from chinese place, with red (sweet) sauce. Huge plate.

- 2 pieces of fruit, protein shake

-Train

- Half or whole fat free Entemans cake. Yup.

- Whole pizza w cheese taken off. Yup.

- Normal bb dinner, something like chicken and rice or steak and potato

3AM- half a box of cereal. Yup.

As you can guess, I spiked my natural insulin. Never used exogenous insulin, tho.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 29, 2010, 09:38:42 AM
here's some pics from last summer. Moderate cycle like 500 mg test, 50 mg tren eod, some deca and dbol in the beginning. Nothing crazy. Prob 208-215 through these pics.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 29, 2010, 09:53:52 AM
These two are about 8-10 weeks after I stopped AAS use. And probably when I realized that I wasn't crashing in any way. I slowly lost a bit since then, but definitely never crashed.

Prob around 200 in these.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on April 29, 2010, 09:57:43 AM
a leg pic from that time... I haven't trained legs very hard in years, since the quad tear.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: The True Adonis on May 02, 2010, 02:15:25 AM
me lookin chubby in teh face and lower back, but I had an arm pump LOL.

Check out the back cyst on the chubby dude in the background  :-X
To be really ripped you would have to drop around 30-50 lbs.  Good Job on dropping AAS.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: The True Adonis on May 02, 2010, 02:16:07 AM
yeah dude, I know HOW to diet, I just have a hard time feeling like it's worth it  :D

I ate chicken or white fish and steamed broccoli exclusively for almost a month before my last show. You have no concept of hunger unless you've done that.
You don`t have to eat that nonsense to get ripped.  Eat whatever you want.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on May 03, 2010, 08:20:49 AM
Hi Adam,

Thanks for checking out the thread. I have no comment on your thoughts at this time except I hope to prove you wrong and be ripped at 170.

RM 


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on May 12, 2010, 05:13:26 PM
Been hitting cardio and eating so so. Mostly clean but my PW meals have probably gotten a bit outta hand with the carbs. 196.5 in the AM the day of this shot.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on May 12, 2010, 05:20:09 PM
Won't lie, the temptation to hit 750 mg test, 350mg tren and some EQ is high. I've been clean almost 11 months give or take a few weeks... I feel like I could hit 220 in this same condition then bring it down to a personal best in the 185 range.

Anyone feel like talking me out of it?


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: The True Adonis on May 12, 2010, 07:54:32 PM
Won't lie, the temptation to hit 750 mg test, 350mg tren and some EQ is high. I've been clean almost 11 months give or take a few weeks... I feel like I could hit 220 in this same condition then bring it down to a personal best in the 185 range.

Anyone feel like talking me out of it?
Come down Naturally all the way so you can see what your body looks like free of anabolics.  This will determine if you are truly happy with yourself without them.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on May 12, 2010, 08:16:20 PM
Come down Naturally all the way so you can see what your body looks like free of anabolics.  This will determine if you are truly happy with yourself without them.

Yeah one part of me wants to do that and see what I look like. Honestly, I'm exceeding my own natural (clean, whatever) expectations and feel like I might look decent clean and ripped.

What is your honest assesment of my physique, bodyfat notwithstanding? I mean, I look very different from when "on", but I still feel like I look "good" to some degree. It's just hard to tell, sometimes.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: The True Adonis on May 12, 2010, 09:48:16 PM
Yeah one part of me wants to do that and see what I look like. Honestly, I'm exceeding my own natural (clean, whatever) expectations and feel like I might look decent clean and ripped.

What is your honest assesment of my physique, bodyfat notwithstanding? I mean, I look very different from when "on", but I still feel like I look "good" to some degree. It's just hard to tell, sometimes.
In my opinion you will look better.  I prefer the natural look.  You will appear more ripped, (given that you take it that far) and your muscles will have what I call a straight edged razor look rather than a rounded thick look.  Your muscles will have a clarity that Drug users just don`t seem to get.

I prefer the straight razor look by a mile.  It will be something you may have to get used to.

Don`t expect to weigh a lot though and don`t get miffed if the scale reads lower than you think.  Do this for yourself.  Show yourself that you don`t have to dependent upon a foreign substance to look great (which you clearly do not).



Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on May 13, 2010, 05:35:21 AM
Yeah I never really cared what the scale said, more about how I feel and look. Getting really light in the past has hindered my workout intensity and poundage, and I only pushed on because I forced myself to for competition. It's hard to imagine doing that naturally.

I'd like to at least get to 180 naturally. Last two weeks I've done well in the gym, pushing very hard and I've been incredibly sore and I'm getting more limber by stretching much more. I can also run on an eliptical for an hour which was never easy for me. Diet has been going fine but I ate too many calories over the weekend and probably having too many PW. I LOOOVE PW sugary carbs!


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: The True Adonis on May 13, 2010, 08:41:50 AM
Yeah I never really cared what the scale said, more about how I feel and look. Getting really light in the past has hindered my workout intensity and poundage, and I only pushed on because I forced myself to for competition. It's hard to imagine doing that naturally.

I'd like to at least get to 180 naturally. Last two weeks I've done well in the gym, pushing very hard and I've been incredibly sore and I'm getting more limber by stretching much more. I can also run on an eliptical for an hour which was never easy for me. Diet has been going fine but I ate too many calories over the weekend and probably having too many PW. I LOOOVE PW sugary carbs!
Once you get to 180 naturally, you will probably have at least 20-40 more pounds to drop to be truly ripped.  Don`t get discouraged if that is the case.  It will be worth it.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on May 13, 2010, 09:31:27 AM
Once you get to 180 naturally, you will probably have at least 20-40 more pounds to drop to be truly ripped.  Don`t get discouraged if that is the case.  It will be worth it.

I'm not sure being truly ripped is my goal. 7-8%, sure. I'm not in any frame of mind to compete. Only exception is Mr. Getbig and if the prize is in the thousands than I'll just flat win the thing. I'm a competitive asshole.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on May 13, 2010, 09:36:53 AM
I'm so fucking sore and tired today and it's leg day. Ugh.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: njflex on June 09, 2010, 07:38:26 PM
u seem like a guy who likes to be big than lean,thats why u probably prefer to cycle and train heavy and look thick.if ur determined to get in great shape and clean,throw out everything u did to get big on drugs and revamp training,food,and don't look back or second guess yourself,i think u can get lean and be as hard as that rear bi pic where your back looks great ,u won't have that hardness or full drug look but u will have done it clean and it will cost u nothing.be well...


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: kevinf on June 11, 2010, 02:20:29 PM
Shit dude you looked fuckin great there but still it looks like you were about 14-15% bf. Imo if you wanna get diced then 30-40lbs ain't a wack suggestion but you can only know for sure once you try. Once again, monster fucking quads.

Edit: just saw that you said "decently lean", then you might be right.

your a fuckin idiot. hes about 8-9% due to water retention from AAS. if he drops his water there, he'd instantly look 6%.


also. RM, you got good genetics.  in those clean/on pics you posted, the biggest differences was that shoulder/arm thickness you had with AAS.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on July 01, 2010, 10:24:40 AM
u seem like a guy who likes to be big than lean,thats why u probably prefer to cycle and train heavy and look thick.if ur determined to get in great shape and clean,throw out everything u did to get big on drugs and revamp training,food,and don't look back or second guess yourself,i think u can get lean and be as hard as that rear bi pic where your back looks great ,u won't have that hardness or full drug look but u will have done it clean and it will cost u nothing.be well...

thanks nj, always respected your posts.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on July 01, 2010, 10:27:31 AM
your a fuckin idiot. hes about 8-9% due to water retention from AAS. if he drops his water there, he'd instantly look 6%.


also. RM, you got good genetics.  in those clean/on pics you posted, the biggest differences was that shoulder/arm thickness you had with AAS.

Yeah exactly. I definitely notice it most in my shoulders, traps and lats. My legs too but they really just got too big for my upperbody when I trained them hard so it works out.

I agree that I've got decent genetics. A bit on the pudgy side genetically, but the shape and size I got lucky.

This is from this weekend. 202 lbs. I've been very busy and in the gym infrequently the last 2 weeks. Moving in a few weeks, also.



Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: G.R.H. on July 03, 2010, 03:46:14 PM
you looked better on the juice! but, your arms r still huge!  8)


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: kevinf on July 04, 2010, 10:26:49 AM
Yeah exactly. I definitely notice it most in my shoulders, traps and lats. My legs too but they really just got too big for my upperbody when I trained them hard so it works out.

I agree that I've got decent genetics. A bit on the pudgy side genetically, but the shape and size I got lucky.

This is from this weekend. 202 lbs. I've been very busy and in the gym infrequently the last 2 weeks. Moving in a few weeks, also.



 RM, what did your arms measure in your AAS days? and how tall are you? also care to share one of your cutter cycles or a contest prep cycle?  ;D


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on July 06, 2010, 08:51:51 AM
you looked better on the juice! but, your arms r still huge!  8)

Yeah, I definitely looked better on AAS. LOL, that's not even a question. I'm just happy to have held as much as I have while off cycle. I was thinking about it, and I've been off cycle for 30 of the last 42 months. So I can pretty much say this is my clean physique at this point. I won't be shrinking anytime soon.

Still thinking about a late summer cycle, but I'm not sure if I have the dedication/time to train and eat, and I won't go on AAS without committing to doing it right.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on July 06, 2010, 09:10:45 AM
RM, what did your arms measure in your AAS days? and how tall are you? also care to share one of your cutter cycles or a contest prep cycle?  ;D

I've measured very infrequently. Never in the last 5 or 6 years. I do remember the biggest I ever measured my arms was a bit over 19" and I was skeptical that I was doing it correctly. I was around 215 lbs at that point and decently lean, on a good amount of AAS. I've never considered my arms to be incredible in any way. Adequete was how I thought of them from a competitive standpoint. Legs and abs were another story!

I'm somewhere between 5'3" and 5'5". I've also never measured that since Jr High when I thought I had finished growing. I usually say 5'3" but many people disagree and think I'm taller. I guess it's not very important to me.

When I've got more time I'll talk about my cycles. I've tried different things, and I will say that a test base with moderate use of exotics have worked great for me.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: The True Adonis on July 06, 2010, 10:06:21 AM
Yeah, I definitely looked better on AAS. LOL, that's not even a question. I'm just happy to have held as much as I have while off cycle. I was thinking about it, and I've been off cycle for 30 of the last 42 months. So I can pretty much say this is my clean physique at this point. I won't be shrinking anytime soon.

Still thinking about a late summer cycle, but I'm not sure if I have the dedication/time to train and eat, and I won't go on AAS without committing to doing it right.
You may not be shrinking weight wise, but your fat to muscle ratio has surely increased.  You are carrying a pretty good deal of fat and look really soft.  As I said months ago, you need to take it down and get lean to see where you REALLY are.  You are confusing your fat for muscle and until you lean down you will be wandering in the dark so to speak.
If you juice before then, consider your experiment completely voided as you will again have no clear value of your "natural" physique.   I think you need to lose about 40-60 lbs easily.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on July 06, 2010, 12:29:24 PM
You may not be shrinking weight wise, but your fat to muscle ratio has surely increased.  You are carrying a pretty good deal of fat and look really soft.  As I said months ago, you need to take it down and get lean to see where you REALLY are.  You are confusing your fat for muscle and until you lean down you will be wandering in the dark so to speak.
If you juice before then, consider your experiment completely voided as you will again have no clear value of your "natural" physique.   I think you need to lose about 40-60 lbs easily.

While there's no doubt that I need to lose weight to see my lean natural weight/physique, I question how important it really is TO ME.

Right now, I'm happy to not be either terribly fat, or terribly skinny. My eating and training is inconsistent, I've not used a single supplement, not even a vitamin or protein powder, in about a year. Basically, I'm working out when I can and maintaining a pretty decent physique while doing so.

I give you props for having leaned down for the Mr. Getbig, but I've not seen any real evidence that you remain in condition, nor do I believe that you are a lifetime natural (due to pictures showing some bloated physique/facial edema), and I think that's discredited somewhat your opinions, at least as far as your online persona is concerned.

But I won't disagree that I could stand to be a lot leaner, and also that introducing AAS while at my current BF% would be foolish.

I'm moving into a new home this week. I hope to be settled and training hard by mid/late July.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: The True Adonis on July 06, 2010, 01:12:20 PM
While there's no doubt that I need to lose weight to see my lean natural weight/physique, I question how important it really is TO ME.

Right now, I'm happy to not be either terribly fat, or terribly skinny. My eating and training is inconsistent, I've not used a single supplement, not even a vitamin or protein powder, in about a year. Basically, I'm working out when I can and maintaining a pretty decent physique while doing so.

I give you props for having leaned down for the Mr. Getbig, but I've not seen any real evidence that you remain in condition, nor do I believe that you are a lifetime natural (due to pictures showing some bloated physique/facial edema), and I think that's discredited somewhat your opinions, at least as far as your online persona is concerned.

But I won't disagree that I could stand to be a lot leaner, and also that introducing AAS while at my current BF% would be foolish.

I'm moving into a new home this week. I hope to be settled and training hard by mid/late July.
Lifetime Natural and yes, I stay around 170 lbs at 5`11.  I don`t think this should be too hard to believe.  Also, realize that I intentionally used to force feed myself to try to get my Deadlift higher and higher.  I was around 40 percent bodyfat at 240 or so.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: The True Adonis on July 06, 2010, 01:14:17 PM
While there's no doubt that I need to lose weight to see my lean natural weight/physique, I question how important it really is TO ME.

Right now, I'm happy to not be either terribly fat, or terribly skinny. My eating and training is inconsistent, I've not used a single supplement, not even a vitamin or protein powder, in about a year. Basically, I'm working out when I can and maintaining a pretty decent physique while doing so.

I give you props for having leaned down for the Mr. Getbig, but I've not seen any real evidence that you remain in condition, nor do I believe that you are a lifetime natural (due to pictures showing some bloated physique/facial edema), and I think that's discredited somewhat your opinions, at least as far as your online persona is concerned.

But I won't disagree that I could stand to be a lot leaner, and also that introducing AAS while at my current BF% would be foolish.

I'm moving into a new home this week. I hope to be settled and training hard by mid/late July.
I do also note that you have already made a fact-less biased and prejudiced judgment about me and no matter of evidence would ever convince you anyways.  (not that I even should have to do so)


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: kevinf on July 06, 2010, 01:37:28 PM
While there's no doubt that I need to lose weight to see my lean natural weight/physique, I question how important it really is TO ME.

Right now, I'm happy to not be either terribly fat, or terribly skinny. My eating and training is inconsistent, I've not used a single supplement, not even a vitamin or protein powder, in about a year. Basically, I'm working out when I can and maintaining a pretty decent physique while doing so.

I give you props for having leaned down for the Mr. Getbig, but I've not seen any real evidence that you remain in condition, nor do I believe that you are a lifetime natural (due to pictures showing some bloated physique/facial edema), and I think that's discredited somewhat your opinions, at least as far as your online persona is concerned.

But I won't disagree that I could stand to be a lot leaner, and also that introducing AAS while at my current BF% would be foolish.

I'm moving into a new home this week. I hope to be settled and training hard by mid/late July.

i agree with you RM, TA is def not a life time natty..he has been to joose before, just his response sucks, whereas yours doesnt lol.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: The True Adonis on July 06, 2010, 01:46:41 PM
i agree with you RM, TA is def not a life time natty..he has been to joose before, just his response sucks, whereas yours doesnt lol.
Why would you think I use anything?  I don`t even bother with protein powder for fucks sakes! haha  Also, do you not realize that I was 40 percent bodyfat by choice at the time?  Did you not realize that I force fed myself so fat on purpose?


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: kevinf on July 06, 2010, 06:58:45 PM
Why would you think I use anything?  I don`t even bother with protein powder for fucks sakes! haha  Also, do you not realize that I was 40 percent bodyfat by choice at the time?  Did you not realize that I force fed myself so fat on purpose?

well your around bodybuilding 24/7 for many many years now...and not just regular bodybuilding, but the IFBB Pro Bodybuilding scene, which is known to be a drug infest steroid breeding ground. You claim to be life time natty, yet have been to IFBB shows and even more your also a fan of a 1 or 2 Pro BBer. .. a so called  lifetime natty could choose to associate himself with other natural boards/organization..after all, realistically you cant really apply anything worthwhile that is taught by any hormonized bb.  you also know about hormones..99.9% chance you been to hormones at some point in your life, prolly something like 500mg test, 30mg dbol, just basic shit. you can bullshit some naive idiots on here, but any hormonized guy even with a little expereince knows you have hormonized at least 1 time in your life...but i do believe you were clean for a while in your GB contest pics.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on July 06, 2010, 07:23:08 PM
Adam, it's only one white man's opinion. And since I don't actually "know" you, I don't feel the need to verify my opinions with an entire character evaluation.

I tend to find myself wanting to give you respect for various reasons, but at times I disagree very thoroughly with your POV on several topics. Also, frequently I question whether you are entertaining yourself at others' expense rather than actually expressing a belief.

In summation, you are a character whom I believe deserves a bit of respect, but whom I would not necessarily trust as an authority on the matters you profess to be expert in.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: The True Adonis on July 06, 2010, 07:36:48 PM
well your around bodybuilding 24/7 for many many years now...and not just regular bodybuilding, but the IFBB Pro Bodybuilding scene, which is known to be a drug infest steroid breeding ground. You claim to be life time natty, yet have been to IFBB shows and even more your also a fan of a 1 or 2 Pro BBer. .. a so called  lifetime natty could choose to associate himself with other natural boards/organization..after all, realistically you cant really apply anything worthwhile that is taught by any hormonized bb.  you also know about hormones..99.9% chance you been to hormones at some point in your life, prolly something like 500mg test, 30mg dbol, just basic shit. you can bullshit some naive idiots on here, but any hormonized guy even with a little expereince knows you have hormonized at least 1 time in your life...but i do believe you were clean for a while in your GB contest pics.
I don`t know a thing about the application of steroids and I don`t really follow bodybuilding all that much since I do not care for any of their physiques.  I do follow Natural bodybuilding somewhat (not really much to follow) but truth be told, I follow (not really follow per se) random blogs of naturals in incredible shape, (most I am sure you have never heard of), rather than actual competitive bodybuilders.

The best physiques are lifetime drug free in my opinion and I have no interest in any drugged physique.  I do not care for the rounded look whatsoever.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: kevinf on July 06, 2010, 07:38:37 PM
I don`t know a thing about the application of steroids and I don`t really follow bodybuilding all that much since I do not care for any of their physiques.  I do follow Natural bodybuilding somewhat (not really much to follow) but truth be told, I follow (not really follow per se) random blogs of naturals in incredible shape, (most I am sure you have never heard of), rather than actual competitive bodybuilders.

The best physiques are lifetime drug free in my opinion and I have no interest in any drugged physique.  I do not care for the rounded look whatsoever.



really? could have fooled me  ::)..you sure do seem star struck here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyQ2_zJxZaA


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: The True Adonis on July 06, 2010, 07:42:56 PM
Adam, it's only one white man's opinion. And since I don't actually "know" you, I don't feel the need to verify my opinions with an entire character evaluation.

I tend to find myself wanting to give you respect for various reasons, but at times I disagree very thoroughly with your POV on several topics. Also, frequently I question whether you are entertaining yourself at others' expense rather than actually expressing a belief.

In summation, you are a character whom I believe deserves a bit of respect, but whom I would not necessarily trust as an authority on the matters you profess to be expert in.
Trust me when I say that I force fed myself to 240 lbs at 40 percent bodyfat.  I have an eye for fat loss and how much needs to be lost.  You posted with the intention of getting an honest opinion and tha tis precisely what I gave you.  It should not be percieved as rude, arrogant or condenscending.  I was hoping it to be informative and if you were to diet all the way down and forego drugs for the rest of your life, I think you will see that I am 100 percent correct in my evaluation.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: The True Adonis on July 06, 2010, 07:47:11 PM

really? could have fooled me  ::)..you sure do seem star struck here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyQ2_zJxZaA
Not really.  He just happened to be the guest poser and I promised Getbig that I would Pwn Goodrum since we had a feud going at the time.



Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on July 07, 2010, 06:17:03 AM
Trust me when I say that I force fed myself to 240 lbs at 40 percent bodyfat.  I have an eye for fat loss and how much needs to be lost.  You posted with the intention of getting an honest opinion and tha tis precisely what I gave you.  It should not be percieved as rude, arrogant or condenscending.  I was hoping it to be informative and if you were to diet all the way down and forego drugs for the rest of your life, I think you will see that I am 100 percent correct in my evaluation.

Adam, I honestly do appreciate your input in this thread. Like I said, I respect you as a longtime member who has shown a lean, muscular physique. I think you might confuse me for some of the more juvenile types on GB, who may perceive you as rude, arrogant or condescending. Personally I think you are just opinionated.

As to the above bolded, I have zero reason to trust you. While I may respect you, I wouldn't do business with you unless I was shown a reason to trust you. The last bolded sentence is part of the reason I don't trust you. Namely, asserting that you are 100% correct in any evaluation when it's impossible to do so.

You may be on to something with your theories. My unsolicited advice would be to present them in a manner which can gain you more respect, and while you're at it, business.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: radioflyer46 on July 08, 2010, 01:31:35 PM
  R-Metal. Nice and thick, like your size.umm.
well actually dam hot!!


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: kevinf on July 09, 2010, 10:09:49 PM
I don`t know a thing about the application of steroids and I don`t really follow bodybuilding all that much since I do not care for any of their physiques.  I do follow Natural bodybuilding somewhat (not really much to follow) but truth be told, I follow (not really follow per se) random blogs of naturals in incredible shape, (most I am sure you have never heard of), rather than actual competitive bodybuilders.

The best physiques are lifetime drug free in my opinion and I have no interest in any drugged physique.  I do not care for the rounded look whatsoever.
really? ..got plenty more where this came from, tehe

http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/printthread.php?t=24157
"Ive been a Titus fan since day one!  Fuck yah Craig. You know how to get it done."- The True Adonis
 


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: The True Adonis on July 10, 2010, 03:04:45 PM
really? ..got plenty more where this came from, tehe

http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/printthread.php?t=24157
"Ive been a Titus fan since day one!  Fuck yah Craig. You know how to get it done."- The True Adonis
 
I am a Frank Zane fan also. And an Arnold Fan and Serge Nubret and Eugene Sandow.  What can that possibly mean?


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on July 12, 2010, 10:43:09 AM
really? ..got plenty more where this came from, tehe

http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/printthread.php?t=24157
"Ive been a Titus fan since day one!  Fuck yah Craig. You know how to get it done."- The True Adonis
 

Haha that was some master sleuthing there, SN. I mean, you basically went back in time when MM was relevent, found the most ridiculous thread possible with TA's out of character (for GB) reply.

LOL I'm not messing with YOU, dude.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: shiftedShapes on July 14, 2010, 08:19:27 PM
I don`t know a thing about the application of steroids and I don`t really follow bodybuilding all that much since I do not care for any of their physiques.  I do follow Natural bodybuilding somewhat (not really much to follow) but truth be told, I follow (not really follow per se) random blogs of naturals in incredible shape, (most I am sure you have never heard of), rather than actual competitive bodybuilders.

The best physiques are lifetime drug free in my opinion and I have no interest in any drugged physique.  I do not care for the rounded look whatsoever.

please provide links to above mentioned blogs.

Thanks


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on July 15, 2010, 05:48:15 PM
please provide links to above mentioned blogs.

Thanks

Wait. Aren't you and TA the same person? (and Jezebelle).


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: shiftedShapes on July 15, 2010, 10:11:13 PM
Wait. Aren't you and TA the same person? (and Jezebelle).

Actually I was here before Adam, or before he was posting regularly, back then he was just on Chad's board.  I've never posted that frequently though so I don't blame you for not knowing who I am.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: kevinf on August 12, 2010, 07:32:48 PM
hows the training and diet going RM?


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: Rearden Metal on December 03, 2010, 08:27:12 AM
Sorry TA, couldn't do the natty thing. Here's an update pic or two... will show upperbody after cutting a lil more.


Title: Re: RM 10 months clean
Post by: HERACLES on September 26, 2012, 04:36:01 PM
Like night and day being off the sauce, but worth it for your health.