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Title: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 04, 2010, 01:53:56 AM
I squatted too heavy about 2 weeks ago.  Got 2 reps and hung it up.  Nothing went pop, no pain during the squat.

The next couple days my lower back was aching, then it went away.  Squatted light and again had serious pain in the lower back the next couple days.  Pain went away.

Now I haven't squatted or deadlifted but the pain is there again, came back on its own a week later.  Wtf.  Feels like I'm a little hunched forward.  Can't arch my back without shooting pain (just tried to lie down to bench and gave up).  Going through a squatting movement is wicked painful.  Can't walk without occasional shooting pain.  Doesn't feel like the spine tho, more like I've just got really tight muscles.  Stretching seems to help for about 30 seconds before everything tightens up again.  Strain or pull maybe?

Yes, I'll go to the doctor if it persists.  What say the doctors of Getbig?

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Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: phreak on June 04, 2010, 01:57:31 AM
You won't recover. ;D
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 04, 2010, 02:00:12 AM
You won't recover. ;D

I better.  Fucking walking around grunting loud every 4th step at the moment. 

On the upside, people are keeping their distance.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Purple Aki on June 04, 2010, 02:01:21 AM
Haha! Next stop "The Melbourne Sunnyside Retirement Home", sat in a comfy chair next to Vince B, pissing your pants and muttering about "the flotsam and jetsam".
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 04, 2010, 02:03:51 AM
Haha! Next stop "The Melbourne Sunnyside Retirement Home", sat in a comfy chair next to Vince B, pissing your pants and muttering about "the flotsam and jetsam".

Lol, you dick whippersnapper.  At least the computer chair is still comfy or I'd be really screwed.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 04, 2010, 04:52:38 AM
I'm the only one who ever had a lower back strain.  My God!  You're all beasts!
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: phreak on June 04, 2010, 04:54:44 AM
I'm the only one who ever had a lower back strain.  My God!  You're all beasts!
You sound like the only one here who cannot afford 3 Thai masseuses and your own chiro.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: crownshep on June 04, 2010, 04:58:29 AM
Trapped sciatic nerve,i had one for years,couldn`t bear to have 1 plate on my shoulders for squats,then 3 years ago i bought some inversion boots,hung upside down from a chinning bar for a minute and by the 3 rd day of trying this my back was fine.Never had a problem since and i make sure i hang upside down for 1 minute a couple of times a week.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 04, 2010, 05:00:44 AM
You sound like the only one here who cannot afford 3 Thai masseuses and your own chiro.

A quack and 3 slanty eyed prostitutes with narrow hips and mysterious bulges in their bikinis?  
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 04, 2010, 05:03:34 AM
Trapped sciatic nerve,i had one for years,couldn`t bear to have 1 plate on my shoulders for squats,then 3 years ago i bought some inversion boots,hung upside down from a chinning bar for a minute and by the 3 rd day of trying this my back was fine.Never had a problem since and i make sure i hang upside down for 1 minute a couple of times a week.

Did it hurt while hanging?  I've tried hanging rightside up and it's not too pleasant.  Might give it another shot tho.

Or might rig something up tonight.  Ropes & carabiners, etc, if I think I can get into position.  Cheers, crown.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: phreak on June 04, 2010, 05:05:21 AM
A quack and 3 slanty eyed prostitutes with narrow hips and mysterious bulges in their bikinis?  
Exactly! ;D
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: phreak on June 04, 2010, 05:07:51 AM
Did it hurt while hanging?  I've tried hanging rightside up and it's not too pleasant.  Might give it another shot tho.

Or might rig something up tonight.  Ropes & carabiners, etc, if I think I can get into position.  Cheers, crown.
Don't go all Chris Benoit on us. It's just back pain!

But seriously: it would help to know exactly where the pain is located, is it unilateral or not, does it shoot outwards, and if so: to where? Etc. Those are what my physio kept asking me, not that you get the impression I know WTF I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 04, 2010, 05:10:36 AM
Yes with a back injury the slightest things will cause pain like tieing your shoes. I injured my back years ago doing deadlifts, it still flairs up now and then. The only relief I got was from a chiropractor aligining the spine. Now when it flairs up I can "pop" my back on my own much like a chiropractor does. Ibuprofen works for pain.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 04, 2010, 05:22:17 AM
Don't go all Chris Benoit on us. It's just back pain!

But seriously: it would help to know exactly where the pain is located, is it unilateral or not, does it shoot outwards, and if so: to where? Etc. Those are what my physio kept asking me, not that you get the impression I know WTF I'm talking about.

If I just arch my back it shoots pain dead center, but when I'm out walking around it will shoot on the left or right, particularly on the side if I step down with, like off a curb or something.

When I performed a squat movement yesterday, it hurt like hell all over the lower back.  The neighbors must have thought I was slaughtering a donkey in here.


Yes with a back injury the slightest things will cause pain like tieing your shoes. I injured my back years ago doing deadlifts, it still flairs up now and then. The only relief I got was from a chiropractor aligining the spine. Now when it flairs up I can "pop" my back on my own much like a chiropractor does. Ibuprofen works for pain.

I get a pinched nerve or something a couple times a year under either shoulder blade, and ya it gets brought on by the damnedest things, like moving a ladder or something lame.  I can still lift things ok it seems right now, like the dog because he's too old to jump into the van, although I haven't tried anything heavy.  Seems like more of a posture problem.

I'll consider a chiro too if it doesn't start healing up.  And ya I went to the pharmacy and loaded up with drugs.  Currently running a 2 painkiller w/opiates + Jim Beam stack.  ;D  
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 04, 2010, 05:31:06 AM
If I just arch my back it shoots pain dead center, but when I'm out walking around it will shoot on the left or right, particularly on the side if I step down with, like off a curb or something.


I get a pinched nerve or something a couple times a year under either shoulder blade, and ya it gets brought on by the damnedest things, like moving a ladder or something lame.

I'll consider a chiro too if it doesn't start healing up.  And ya I went to the pharmacy and loaded up with drugs.  Currently running a 2 painkiller w/opiates + Jim Beam stack.  ;D  
Nice job on the drugs and alcohol. Yes mine flaired up the other day sometimes the slightest thing will set it off, once I went to take a shit and just twisted around for toliet paper I could hardly stand up afterwards. I couldnt remember what set mine off last time than riding my motorcycle the fucker is heavy so maybe just turning and stuff set it off.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 04, 2010, 05:39:15 AM
Nice job on the drugs and alcohol. Yes mine flaired up the other day sometimes the slightest thing will set it off, once I went to take a shit and just twisted around for toliet paper I could hardly stand up afterwards. I couldnt remember what set mine off last time than riding my motorcycle the fucker is heavy so maybe just turning and stuff set it off.

Hahaha frozen to the shitter!

Couple years ago I was going to be THE BIG MAN and help a 'lil lady move a small cabinet.  Halfway to my van POW my back goes.  She's carrying the other side of the thing and asking me if I'm alright and I'm squeeking set it down! set it down!
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 04, 2010, 05:42:10 AM
Hahaha frozen to the shitter!

Couple years ago I was going to be THE BIG MAN and help a 'lil lady move a small cabinet.  Halfway to my van POW my back goes.  She's carrying the other side of the thing and asking me if I'm alright and I'm squeeking set it down! set it down!
Good that you are helping the elderly. Yes back pain will come out of nowhere when you least expect it. So then I guess the lady had to move it herself? ;D
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 04, 2010, 05:50:24 AM
Good that you are helping the elderly. Yes back pain will come out of nowhere when you least expect it. So then I guess the lady had to move it herself? ;D

She wasn't a little OLD lady - just a little lady.  You know, the kind you want to impress with your manliness and John Wayne take charge attitude.  Haha, so much for that plan.

Nah, pride over pain.  She said she could lift it into the van herself but I wasn't about to stand back and let that happen!
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: The Showstoppa on June 04, 2010, 05:53:44 AM
Backpain sucks.  i've talked about this with Nobody....I had a back injury a few years ago and instead of going to a chiro I grunted thru it for about 3 years.....finally met a good guy thru family that is a chiro and went to him.....he had me fixed in less than 2 months.  Haven't had a flare up in a year now....they were happening about once a month before I went.

I used to sell the inversion boots and tables and they are great, BUT I would suggest getting checked by a doc first.  Just make sure you aren't going to make the problem worse.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 04, 2010, 05:54:30 AM
She wasn't a little OLD lady - just a little lady.  You know, the kind you want to impress with your manliness and John Wayne take charge attitude.  Haha, so much for that plan.

Nah, pride over pain.  She said she could lift it into the van herself but I wasn't about to stand back and let that happen!
Damn tape you are a tough mofo I would have just laid down in the parking lot and called 911.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 04, 2010, 06:09:07 AM
Backpain sucks.  i've talked about this with Nobody....I had a back injury a few years ago and instead of going to a chiro I grunted thru it for about 3 years.....finally met a good guy thru family that is a chiro and went to him.....he had me fixed in less than 2 months.  Haven't had a flare up in a year now....they were happening about once a month before I went.

I used to sell the inversion boots and tables and they are great, BUT I would suggest getting checked by a doc first.  Just make sure you aren't going to make the problem worse.

You hear a lot of mixed reviews of chiros.  Some hate 'em, some swear by them it seems.  

Ya, I stayed home from work today and probably should have got it looked at.  I'll stop in at a local physiotherapist tomorrow tho.  Maybe he'll have a table I could try out or some stretching to recommend.   I'll go to a doc on monday if there's no good news by then.  Probably leave the chiro until last but you won't find me waiting 3 years.  Three days and I'm whinning on Getbig about it.  Can't imagine going 3 years like this, Show!  You must have been half crazy by then!


Damn tape you are a tough mofo I would have just laid down in the parking lot and called 911.

Nah.  Just acted like having trouble breathing because of pain was all in a day's work.  She kept asking me "Are you sure you're alright?"  Guess I'm not much of an actor.  But if you can't play the manly man card at least get 'em with the sympathy card!

Doesn't happen that bad every time tho, and this lower back is nothing by comparison.  It's just pissing me off because I want a workout but don't want to make it any worse.  Doesn't sound anything near to yours tho.  Were you pulling a lot when you hurt it or was it just a freaky bad luck kind of thing?
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: The Showstoppa on June 04, 2010, 06:15:48 AM
You hear a lot of mixed reviews of chiros.  Some hate 'em, some swear by them it seems.  

Ya, I stayed home from work today and probably should have got it looked at.  I'll stop in at a local physiotherapist tomorrow tho.  Maybe he'll have a table I could try out or some stretching to recommend.   I'll go to a doc on monday if there's no good news by then.  Probably leave the chiro until last but you won't find me waiting 3 years.  Three days and I'm whinning on Getbig about it.  Can't imagine going 3 years like this, Show!  You must have been half crazy by then!



haha, it did suck....the episodes got closer and closer together and I grew up NEVER going to the doctor unless it was the emergency room...the last straw was when I bent over to pick up some leaves and the next thing I knew my knees had buckled and I was looking straight up at the sky.    And I was leary of chiro's too.  You hear so many mixed opinons, but i think the thing is that they can't fix everybody, but man if you are one they can fix it's a great thing!
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 04, 2010, 06:17:31 AM
You hear a lot of mixed reviews of chiros.  Some hate 'em, some swear by them it seems.  

Ya, I stayed home from work today and probably should have got it looked at.  I'll stop in at a local physiotherapist tomorrow tho.  Maybe he'll have a table I could try out or some stretching to recommend.   I'll go to a doc on monday if there's no good news by then.  Probably leave the chiro until last but you won't find me waiting 3 years.  Three days and I'm whinning on Getbig about it.  Can't imagine going 3 years like this, Show!  You must have been half crazy by then!


Nah.  Just acted like having trouble breathing because of pain was all in a day's work.  She kept asking me "Are you sure you're alright?"  Guess I'm not much of an actor.  But if you can't play the manly man card at least get 'em with the sympathy card!

Doesn't happen that bad every time tho, and this lower back is nothing by comparison.  It's just pissing me off because I want a workout but don't want to make it any worse.  Doesn't sound anything near to yours tho.  Were you pulling a lot when you hurt it or was it just a freaky bad luck kind of thing?
Well when I hurt mine I was doing 585 lbs on my 5th rep I got a pain in my back had to lay on the floor awhile, then shit hit the fan the next day I couldnt move for a week. Serious man Chiro is the best Show vouches for them as well, I found some yoga movements that help me now when a flair up occurs so I dont go to the Chiro anymore just work on it myself.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 04, 2010, 06:26:53 AM
Damn you guys are making me feel small.  I never buckled or collapsed.  I just freeze and make an involuntary hungnhghnn sound.  And 585?  I consider deads one of my better lifts (although I might be backing off for awhile) but that is not a number which I come anywhere near for 1, nevermind 5!

Tried a little yoga-like stuff at home today.  Couldn't do much but the stretching seemed to help for a short time afterwards.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: The Showstoppa on June 04, 2010, 06:29:43 AM
Damn you guys are making me feel small.  I never buckled or collapsed.  I just freeze and make an involuntary hungnhghnn sound.  And 585?  I consider deads one of my better lifts (although I might be backing off for awhile) but that is not a number which I come anywhere near for 1, nevermind 5!

Tried a little yoga-like stuff at home today.  Couldn't do much but the stretching seemed to help for a short time afterwards.

Something else to try that is cheap, are the foam rollers.  Get a fairly firm one.  A few years ago a bunch of the Carolina Hurricanes started stopping in and ordering them, so I gave one a shot.....they can bring some good relief too.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 04, 2010, 06:33:36 AM
Something else to try that is cheap, are the foam rollers.  Get a fairly firm one.  A few years ago a bunch of the Carolina Hurricanes started stopping in and ordering them, so I gave one a shot.....they can bring some good relief too.

Thanks, Show.  I hadn't thought of that.  I'll google it up.

I once used a tennis ball under me on the bed to try to locate the muscle in spasm on my upper back and concentrate on relaxing it.  Sounds kooky but it seemed to help.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 04, 2010, 06:33:57 AM
Damn you guys are making me feel small.  I never buckled or collapsed.  I just freeze and make an involuntary hungnhghnn sound.  And 585?  I consider deads one of my better lifts (although I might be backing off for awhile) but that is not a number which I come anywhere near for 1, nevermind 5!

Tried a little yoga-like stuff at home today.  Couldn't do much but the stretching seemed to help for a short time afterwards.
Yea study the yoga movements these really help, bascically now when I have a flair up I do stretches and yoga. Another good thing is to hang from a chin bar with weight attached this lengthens the spine taking away pressure.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: CalvinH on June 04, 2010, 06:35:39 AM
Inversion table worked for me....but losing 20lbs helped also.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: The Showstoppa on June 04, 2010, 06:36:15 AM
Thanks, Show.  I hadn't thought of that.  I'll google it up.

I once used a tennis ball under me on the bed to try to locate the muscle in spasm on my upper back and concentrate on relaxing it.  Sounds kooky but it seemed to help.

Not kooky at all, same principle as the rollers.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: dr.chimps on June 04, 2010, 06:39:34 AM
Been living with a dodgy lower back for years. The one thing I found that really helps is doing those standing stick twists. Keeps the area loose and fluid. And I don't use a belt to squat anymore. Haven't had an episode in a long while. *crosses fingers*  
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 04, 2010, 06:41:56 AM
Been living with a dodgy lower back for years. The one thing I found that really helps is doing those standing stick twists. Keeps the area loose and fluid. And I don't use a belt to squat anymore. Haven't had an episode in a long while. *crosses fingers*  
I never use a belt for squats, they strengthen the lower back if done properly. A belt takes away from this unless you powerlift no need for a belt.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 04, 2010, 06:53:25 AM
Yea study the yoga movements these really help, bascically now when I have a flair up I do stretches and yoga. Another good thing is to hang from a chin bar with weight attached this lengthens the spine taking away pressure.

These pills work pretty good when you double the dose and then take them with a double dose of some other pills and then a few glasses of bourbon.  Didn't have much luck hanging earlier today but might go give it another shot in a minute, assuming I can still grip the bar at this point.


Inversion table worked for me....but losing 20lbs helped also.

Tbh I have put on some weight recently because I'm hellbent on nailing a few lifts.  Probably not 20% but definitely over 15.  Better change my name to The Slug.


Not kooky at all, same principle as the rollers.

Good thing I have my faggoty foam barbell pad!  ;D

No, I'll get a proper one.


Been living with a dodgy lower back for years. The one thing I found that really helps is doing those standing stick twists. Keeps the area loose and fluid. And I don't use a belt to squat anymore. Haven't had an episode in a long while. *crosses fingers*  

Ya, I seem to have a history of thinking I'm still 18, never thinking about prehab until it's time for rehab, etc.  Definitely time to accept that workout time is going to have to include warmup and stretching time, and not some bullshit 60 second good-enough nonsense.  Sounds like a good one to incorporate, doc.  My rotational strength and range of motion is pretty poor.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Butterbean on June 04, 2010, 07:04:20 AM
Stop doing all leg and lower back training for a month and get 2-3 deep tissue massages (the non-tbombz kind) a week for a month.

Also, consider chiropractic (if you don't already have one try one that does x-rays).

Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 04, 2010, 07:12:21 AM
Stop doing all leg and lower back training for a month and get 2-3 deep tissue massages (the non-tbombz kind) a week for a month.

Also, consider chiropractic (if you don't already have one try one that does x-rays).



Yes, I deserve a massage!  There's a sports massage place just up the road from me.  Too easy.

And will definitely hold off on lower half training until I know what's up.  As the curse of the chickenlegs continues.  ugh.

Cheers, Stella.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Thin Lizzy on June 04, 2010, 07:16:47 AM
The reality is that as you get older heavy lifting is less and less of a good idea. Why? Because as we age, muscles get tighter viz. less flexibility, and muscle strains become more prevalent.

For overall back health, may I suggest a firm mattress. They're generally rated from 1-5 with 1 being the firmest. A 2 is the way to go.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Stark on June 04, 2010, 07:33:08 AM
lol have the same problem today - deadlifted and now I cannot move

Earlier today when I came home I dropped my keys - for a second I thought about the pain in my lower back and said fuck it I don't think I will be able to pick them up.
So I kicked them to the frontdoor one bit at a time, that neighbor who got out of the car looked at me like I am crazy when I asked him if he can please pick them up :D
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Butterbean on June 04, 2010, 07:34:17 AM
, that neighbor who got out of the car looked at me like I am crazy when I asked him if he can please pick them up :D

 ;D
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: crownshep on June 04, 2010, 08:06:55 AM
As you get older you do gradually "shrink" in height,all those years of gravity compressing your spine until finally something touches a nerve.First time i used inversion boots it felt weird within seconds,all the blood rushes to the head,and as i hung down my fingertips were about an inch off the floor.Next morning one side of my hip was sore,like it was dropping back into place,but i used them again and the next morning the opposite hip was sore.Only this time my fingers were now touching the floor and when i got down the back pain was virtually gone.I was 44 the first time i used them,wish i`d have had them 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: The Showstoppa on June 04, 2010, 08:09:04 AM
As you get older you do gradually "shrink" in height,all those years of gravity compressing your spine until finally something touches a nerve.First time i used inversion boots it felt weird within seconds,all the blood rushes to the head,and as i hung down my fingertips were about an inch off the floor.Next morning one side of my hip was sore,like it was dropping back into place,but i used them again and the next morning the opposite hip was sore.Only this time my fingers were now touching the floor and when i got down the back pain was virtually gone.I was 44 the first time i used them,wish i`d have had them 20 years ago.

Very true.  Out of curiosity one day, I measured myself before and after the inversion table.....it was almost an inch difference.  It didn't stay that way of course, but just puts things in perspective aboud how much our spine is compressed.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: bigbobs on June 04, 2010, 08:41:01 AM
Give it some rest - first stage for 1 to 3 months (depending on how bad it is) - dont do any bent over rows, seated cable rows, squats, leg press (unless they are partials), rear lateral raises (unless you are lying on a bench), or even heavy dumbell presses or shrugs or anthing where you have to yank heavy dumbells or pick them up from the rack - you get the idea, anything where your back is bent over with weight interferes with the rest stage.  A typical back workout can be: lat pulldowns or chinups, hammer strength rows (since you chest is resting against a pad), followed by t-bar rows (the kind where your chest is pressed against a pad too, and dumbell pullovers.  None of these exercises put much strain on your lower back.

After a little while start to do hyperextensions and/or light weight on the lower back machine where yous it and push a pad backwards which rests on your upper back and start light deadlifts like 135 to 225 lbs.

Listen to your body, when when you think you're ready more or less go back to your normal workouts, but probably still do hack squats (or even front squats) instead of traditional squats, deadlift a bit lighter than usual but with more strict form and higher reps, etc.

And always stretch it,  practically every time you are in the gym.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 04, 2010, 09:37:22 AM
The reality is that as you get older heavy lifting is less and less of a good idea. Why? Because as we age, muscles get tighter viz. less flexibility, and muscle strains become more prevalent.

For overall back health, may I suggest a firm mattress. They're generally rated from 1-5 with 1 being the firmest. A 2 is the way to go.

My flexibility is for shit, I admit.  And everytime I approach a max, or run with an under 5 rep protocol, something goes wrong somewhere.  You'd think I'd learn to stay over 6 reps and be patient.  'I ought to have my head examined.'

My mattress is an overpriced piece of shit.  I'd like to get my hands on the guy.  Been meaning to go shopping.


lol have the same problem today - deadlifted and now I cannot move

Earlier today when I came home I dropped my keys - for a second I thought about the pain in my lower back and said fuck it I don't think I will be able to pick them up.
So I kicked them to the frontdoor one bit at a time, that neighbor who got out of the car looked at me like I am crazy when I asked him if he can please pick them up :D

I have a neighbor but I don't want her to know I'm in a weakened condition.  :-X

I know you want to get your magic number but let's get there slower, bro.  For the love of God man, think of the children!
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 04, 2010, 09:47:00 AM
My flexibility is for shit, I admit.  And everytime I approach a max, or run with an under 5 rep protocol, something goes wrong somewhere.  You'd think I'd learn to stay over 6 reps and be patient.  'I ought to have my head examined.'

My mattress is an overpriced piece of shit.  I'd like to get my hands on the guy.  Been meaning to go shopping.


I have a neighbor but I don't want her to know I'm in a weakened condition.  :-X

I know you want to get your magic number but let's get there slower, bro.  For the love of God man, think of the children!
Just contact Ship he will beat the guys ass over the mattress deal.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 04, 2010, 10:12:10 AM
As you get older you do gradually "shrink" in height,all those years of gravity compressing your spine until finally something touches a nerve.First time i used inversion boots it felt weird within seconds,all the blood rushes to the head,and as i hung down my fingertips were about an inch off the floor.Next morning one side of my hip was sore,like it was dropping back into place,but i used them again and the next morning the opposite hip was sore.Only this time my fingers were now touching the floor and when i got down the back pain was virtually gone.I was 44 the first time i used them,wish i`d have had them 20 years ago.

This sounds very promising.  I'm 37 and can't spare an inch.  These backward Aussies are bound to have one somewhere so I'll see if I can track it down for a trial run.


Give it some rest - first stage for 1 to 3 months (depending on how bad it is) - dont do any bent over rows, seated cable rows, squats, leg press (unless they are partials), rear lateral raises (unless you are lying on a bench), or even heavy dumbell presses or shrugs or anthing where you have to yank heavy dumbells or pick them up from the rack - you get the idea, anything where your back is bent over with weight interferes with the rest stage.  A typical back workout can be: lat pulldowns or chinups, hammer strength rows (since you chest is resting against a pad), followed by t-bar rows (the kind where your chest is pressed against a pad too, and dumbell pullovers.  None of these exercises put much strain on your lower back.

After a little while start to do hyperextensions and/or light weight on the lower back machine where yous it and push a pad backwards which rests on your upper back and start light deadlifts like 135 to 225 lbs.

Listen to your body, when when you think you're ready more or less go back to your normal workouts, but probably still do hack squats (or even front squats) instead of traditional squats, deadlift a bit lighter than usual but with more strict form and higher reps, etc.

And always stretch it,  practically every time you are in the gym.

Cheers Bob.  Ya I'll lay off anything that stresses the area until I'm feeling confident, and then come back slow and careful.  

Honestly, it's not that bad.  I can pick things up just fine mostly.  It's bending the other way that seems to be the main issue, arching my back and sticking my stomach out or even just getting straight.  Like lying down on the flat bench didn't go well earlier.  

I lift at home which is probably for the best since I obviously have enough ego issues without trying to impress cardio bunnies.  I've got a rack and a multistation tho so I can find some of the options that you mentioned.  I'll have to make a rule that if I don't do the warmup I don't do the workout, and it ain't over until the stretching is done.




What's so weird is that I thought I made a full recovery, no soreness or anything for a week, and then just woke up fucked a week later.  And the worst part is that I can't even remember if it was a nice & dirty dream.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 04, 2010, 10:13:31 AM
Just contact Ship he will beat the guys ass over the mattress deal.

That's good thinking.  The fucking thing was probably made in asia!
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 05, 2010, 10:01:05 AM
Bump

Had a few sessions today lying inverted on one of my planks tilted at varying degrees, boots wrapped in straps, chains, carabiners, etc.  It helped a lot.  Feels like I'm standing up straight now, no pain while out walking around, big difference.  The only drag was when I'd sit up to reach my feet and there'd be a jolt as I passed horizontal, but it didn't follow me around.

Moral of the story is: going to get an inversion table and see how I fare.  And keep away from lower back work for awhile, of course.  Thanks for the advice.  Getbig continues to deliver!
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Stark on June 05, 2010, 10:02:56 AM
Bump

Had a few sessions today lying inverted on one of my planks tilted at varying degrees, boots wrapped in straps, chains, carabiners, etc.  It helped a lot.  Feels like I'm standing up straight now, no pain while out walking around, big difference.  The only drag was when I'd sit up to reach my feet and there'd be a jolt as I passed horizontal, but it didn't follow me around.

Moral of the story is: going to get an inversion table and see how I fare.  And keep away from lower back work for awhile, of course.  Thanks for the advice.  Getbig continues to deliver!

my pain is gone thank fuck I'm squatting tomorrow
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 05, 2010, 10:05:04 AM
my pain is gone thank fuck I'm squatting tomorrow

Haven't decided yet if I'm done with squats or not.  Definitely not going near them for a few weeks tho.

Be careful bro.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Stark on June 05, 2010, 10:19:40 AM
Haven't decided yet if I'm done with squats or not.  Definitely not going near them for a few weeks tho.

Be careful bro.

I'm on 5/3/1 3 cycle so weight is still light - I never have any problems with squats but most of the time with deadlifts
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: dr.chimps on June 05, 2010, 10:35:05 AM
Bump

Had a few sessions today lying inverted on one of my planks tilted at varying degrees, boots wrapped in straps, chains, carabiners, etc.  It helped a lot.  Feels like I'm standing up straight now, no pain while out walking around, big difference.  The only drag was when I'd sit up to reach my feet and there'd be a jolt as I passed horizontal, but it didn't follow me around.

Moral of the story is: going to get an inversion table and see how I fare.  And keep away from lower back work for awhile, of course.  Thanks for the advice.  Getbig continues to deliver!
My sister's a physio and she has a table, likes it and uses it. I've tried it. It's relaxing and the back does slowly unkink. I just find one of the sticks in the gym and carry it around with me while I work out, doing a set then doing 30-40 twists, etc. Done the chiro (waste of $) and direct lower back work (total overkill when you're doing squats, etc. ). Get recovered from this episode Tape and find something that you like, and can easily incorporate that keeps the area both relaxed and toned. I've thrown my back out sneezing so I know this kind of stuff is no joke. Good luck.   
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 05, 2010, 12:27:59 PM
My sister's a physio and she has a table, likes it and uses it. I've tried it. It's relaxing and the back does slowly unkink. I just find one of the sticks in the gym and carry it around with me while I work out, doing a set then doing 30-40 twists, etc. Done the chiro (waste of $) and direct lower back work (total overkill when you're doing squats, etc. ). Get recovered from this episode Tape and find something that you like, and can easily incorporate that keeps the area both relaxed and toned. I've thrown my back out sneezing so I know this kind of stuff is no joke. Good luck.   

Cheers, doc.  Probably time to start acting my age when nobody's looking.

Oh, and here's how I picture you on leg day.

(http://www.originalprop.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Raiders-of-the-Lost-Ark-Staff-of-Ra-Headpiece-Prop-Analysis-Screencap-00.jpg)
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Swedish Viking on June 05, 2010, 01:30:09 PM
Just go see a physical therapist right away.  Backs are nothing to mess with. I only have 75% function in one of my calves because of ignorance, more or less.  Get on it.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Coach is Back! on June 05, 2010, 03:47:00 PM
Response to the first post, if the pain is not in the middle/lower lumbar chances are it could be be just a QL strain providing its either on the left or side of the lower lumbar. If that's the case, rest, ice and ibuprofin. Didn't read through all of the posts so if this was already addressed, sorry.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Purple Aki on June 06, 2010, 02:44:12 AM
Tbh, Coach, I think at his age he's gone past the rest, ice and brufin stage. A do not resuscitate order is probably the kindest thing.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: dr.chimps on June 06, 2010, 02:55:25 AM
Tbh, Coach, I think at his age he's gone past the rest, ice and brufin stage. A do no resuscitate order is probably the kindest thing.
Let's add a Nil by Mouth, too.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Purple Aki on June 06, 2010, 03:07:23 AM
PIP, Tapeworm.

There will be no more backpain where you are going, big man.

*sniffs and wipes eyes*

Oh, it's getting dusty in here.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 06, 2010, 10:22:33 AM
Just go see a physical therapist right away.  Backs are nothing to mess with. I only have 75% function in one of my calves because of ignorance, more or less.  Get on it.

I was just praising Australia to the rafters in another thread, but there are some things that piss me right off.  Saturday?  Closed.  Sunday?  Closed.  Tomorrow Monday?  Holiday.  Closed.  Fuckin' slackers.

Some inversion has worked wonders but if I've got any doubts on Tuesday I'll knock off work early and get in.


Response to the first post, if the pain is not in the middle/lower lumbar chances are it could be be just a QL strain providing its either on the left or side of the lower lumbar. If that's the case, rest, ice and ibuprofin. Didn't read through all of the posts so if this was already addressed, sorry.

Thanks Coach.

Haven't used any ice but rest & painkillers were done & done.  After some inverted stretching tho, feeling much much better.  The peculiar thing is that it was fine for a week and then came back painful with no real reason why.  Could be facing a strain as well as compression issues tho, since it's not like I've been magically cured completely, so I won't consider myself out of the woods for at least a few weeks.


Tbh, Coach, I think at his age he's gone past the rest, ice and brufin stage. A do not resuscitate order is probably the kindest thing.

[WHAP strikes with cane]

Now fetch me my strained peas!

Let's add a Nil by Mouth, too.

And my suppositories.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: The Showstoppa on June 06, 2010, 11:19:57 AM
One more suggestion, and i know it sounds very odd, but try sleeping with a pillow between your knees, if you sleep on your side.  A lot of back injuries linger because of bad posture when we sleep.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 06, 2010, 11:24:42 AM
One more suggestion, and i know it sounds very odd, but try sleeping with a pillow between your knees, if you sleep on your side.  A lot of back injuries linger because of bad posture when we sleep.

You mean my hyooge quads are making trouble?  :D

It occured to me that I might have slept on it wrong since the hurt came back a week later out of nowhere.  I'll give it a shot.  Thanks Show.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: 65stew on June 06, 2010, 06:30:47 PM
If you have problems again you might want to check out Prolotherapy. I went to a chiro at least 70x after a car accident. It would only relieve pain temporarily. Then I tried Prolotherapy. Felt a lot better after the 1st treatment and ended up only having 3 treatments over a year period.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 07, 2010, 01:56:26 AM
If you have problems again you might want to check out Prolotherapy. I went to a chiro at least 70x after a car accident. It would only relieve pain temporarily. Then I tried Prolotherapy. Felt a lot better after the 1st treatment and ended up only having 3 treatments over a year period.

Just read up on it.  Thanks Stew!
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: CalvinH on June 07, 2010, 07:51:06 AM
Just read up on it.  Thanks Stew!



Have you got enough sympathy yet ???









 ;D
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 07, 2010, 07:54:58 AM


Have you got enough sympathy yet ???









 ;D


I need!!  I need!!
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: noworries on June 07, 2010, 08:07:22 AM
I squatted too heavy about 2 weeks ago.  Got 2 reps and hung it up.  Nothing went pop, no pain during the squat.

The next couple days my lower back was aching, then it went away.  Squatted light and again had serious pain in the lower back the next couple days.  Pain went away.

Now I haven't squatted or deadlifted but the pain is there again, came back on its own a week later.  Wtf.  Feels like I'm a little hunched forward.  Can't arch my back without shooting pain (just tried to lie down to bench and gave up).  Going through a squatting movement is wicked painful.  Can't walk without occasional shooting pain.  Doesn't feel like the spine tho, more like I've just got really tight muscles.  Stretching seems to help for about 30 seconds before everything tightens up again.  Strain or pull maybe?

Yes, I'll go to the doctor if it persists.  What say the doctors of Getbig?

(epic 10,000th post)

Tape just read this.  Exactly what happened to me back in 1983.  But my lower back did pop.  I remember sitting on the bench and nothing hurt .  I went to the front desk and told the guy what happened and said I have no idea what happened but I am going home.  At the time I lived about two miles from the gym and I walked.  Well about less than a block from my house I literally curled up and went to the ground right in the middle of the sidewalk.  I was there for about 10 minutes or so and could not move.  A friend of mine so happened to be walking by saw me and asked me what was wrong.  I told him and he helped me to my room.  Well I was stuck in my apartment for several hours and finally got up enough power to drive myself to a medical clinic in Manhattan Beach.  I didn't want to go to the hospital.  Well they told me what happened and that I need to get an operation or it would continue to hurt.  I went to a rehab clinic and did therapy for a few months.  The girl that helped me ended up being my girlfriend and later the mother of my two daughters.  Anyway for the next two years I wore a back brace as much as possible and two of those TENS units to shoot electricity up and down my spine.  At the same time I hurt my back my hurts his in the same place.  he had an operation and three months later it happened again.  so I am happy I did no operation.  But, my lower back goes out every once in a while and it hurts unreal.  I have collapsed in an elevator before.  And I tell everyone I just have a hurt back.  It has happened in the middle of a store where I just end up on the floor with people walking around me.  Now that happened in many years.  Now that I have such a big belly though it makes it hurt.  not so much pain but more uncomfortable.  anyway whenever you hurt your lower back it is there forever.  Sorry man
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 07, 2010, 08:31:42 AM
Tape just read this.  Exactly what happened to me back in 1983.  But my lower back did pop.  I remember sitting on the bench and nothing hurt .  I went to the front desk and told the guy what happened and said I have no idea what happened but I am going home.  At the time I lived about two miles from the gym and I walked.  Well about less than a block from my house I literally curled up and went to the ground right in the middle of the sidewalk.  I was there for about 10 minutes or so and could not move.  A friend of mine so happened to be walking by saw me and asked me what was wrong.  I told him and he helped me to my room.  Well I was stuck in my apartment for several hours and finally got up enough power to drive myself to a medical clinic in Manhattan Beach.  I didn't want to go to the hospital.  Well they told me what happened and that I need to get an operation or it would continue to hurt.  I went to a rehab clinic and did therapy for a few months.  The girl that helped me ended up being my girlfriend and later the mother of my two daughters.  Anyway for the next two years I wore a back brace as much as possible and two of those TENS units to shoot electricity up and down my spine.  At the same time I hurt my back my hurts his in the same place.  he had an operation and three months later it happened again.  so I am happy I did no operation.  But, my lower back goes out every once in a while and it hurts unreal.  I have collapsed in an elevator before.  And I tell everyone I just have a hurt back.  It has happened in the middle of a store where I just end up on the floor with people walking around me.  Now that happened in many years.  Now that I have such a big belly though it makes it hurt.  not so much pain but more uncomfortable.  anyway whenever you hurt your lower back it is there forever.  Sorry man


I think I'd rather just find a nice woman and settle down, but damn bro if that's what it takes.  Props for scoring even while in an injured state!  ;D

That sounds like a bad one, Keith.  Not sure if I did a fresh injury or just inflamed an existing problem but it wasn't bad enough to put me down, thankfully.  Definitely don't want to make things any worse so I'm considering quitting back squats for good.  No matter what you won't find me acting like there's no danger of injury.  If I lose my back I'll lose my work, so it's just not worth it.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: funk51 on June 07, 2010, 01:46:23 PM
I squatted too heavy about 2 weeks ago.  Got 2 reps and hung it up.  Nothing went pop, no pain during the squat.

The next couple days my lower back was aching, then it went away.  Squatted light and again had serious pain in the lower back the next couple days.  Pain went away.

Now I haven't squatted or deadlifted but the pain is there again, came back on its own a week later.  Wtf.  Feels like I'm a little hunched forward.  Can't arch my back without shooting pain (just tried to lie down to bench and gave up).  Going through a squatting movement is wicked painful.  Can't walk without occasional shooting pain.  Doesn't feel like the spine tho, more like I've just got really tight muscles.  Stretching seems to help for about 30 seconds before everything tightens up again.  Strain or pull maybe?

Yes, I'll go to the doctor if it persists.  What say the doctors of Getbig?

(epic 10,000th post)
get a pair of inversion boots and just hang around for a while if this don't help your screwed.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 07, 2010, 05:30:05 PM
get a pair of inversion boots and just hang around for a while if this don't help your screwed.

I'm definitely a fan of inversion sessions.  Did some lying on an angled plank and it helped a lot.  Going to check out an inversion table today.  The boots are cheaper and probably provide more exercise options in the long run, and even sound more comfortable from the reviews I've read, but since it's for treating an injury I want something that will get me upright with a minimum of strain. 

Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: funk51 on June 09, 2010, 02:06:57 PM
I'm definitely a fan of inversion sessions.  Did some lying on an angled plank and it helped a lot.  Going to check out an inversion table today.  The boots are cheaper and probably provide more exercise options in the long run, and even sound more comfortable from the reviews I've read, but since it's for treating an injury I want something that will get me upright with a minimum of strain. 


after  you hop[efully get relief  i'd switch to doing front squats you  have to use less weight and they work your thighs from different angles, it's like a progression when you can't do regular squats you switch to front squats than the next best thing is squatting with two dumbells than back supported hack squats or laying leg presses. and finally  when you reach old age your happy to just get sets with leg ext and leg curls.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 09, 2010, 03:31:08 PM
after  you hop[efully get relief  i'd switch to doing front squats you  have to use less weight and they work your thighs from different angles, it's like a progression when you can't do regular squats you switch to front squats than the next best thing is squatting with two dumbells than back supported hack squats or laying leg presses. and finally  when you reach old age your happy to just get sets with leg ext and leg curls.

I've got a leg press on a multistation although you can't get much on it.  Did 5 x 30, extensions, and calves.  All lactic acid!  :D
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 09, 2010, 05:12:57 PM
I've got a leg press on a multistation although you can't get much on it.  Did 5 x 30, extensions, and calves.  All lactic acid!  :D
lactic acid will kill you, watch that stuff man.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 09, 2010, 05:20:46 PM
lactic acid will kill you, watch that stuff man.

Richard Simmons told me to feel the burn.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 09, 2010, 05:25:08 PM
Richard Simmons told me to feel the burn.
Is Richard still around sweating to the oldies, he was my first inspiration to get started with exercise. I wanted to have a semi chubby body with some old ladies hanging around sweating, then I discovered he was gay so I turned away.
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 09, 2010, 05:57:05 PM
Is Richard still around sweating to the oldies, he was my first inspiration to get started with exercise. I wanted to have a semi chubby body with some old ladies hanging around sweating, then I discovered he was gay so I turned away.

Lol.  I couldn't say.  We don't really talk much since I told him Dave Letterman would be nice to him.  :D
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: brent2741 on June 09, 2010, 07:39:09 PM
A quack and 3 slanty eyed prostitutes with narrow hips and mysterious bulges in their bikinis?  
lol says the guy looking for medical advice on getbig ::)
Title: Re: Back Pain
Post by: Tapeworm on June 09, 2010, 07:42:50 PM
lol says the guy looking for medical advice on getbig ::)

Even so, a bit of bodyweight traction helped a lot.  Stands to reason that lifters would have experience with this.  It's not like anyone told me to get naked on the roof and chew an onion.