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U.S. State Department is Building… Mosques
http://bigpeace.com/cderussy/2010/08/12/u-s-state-department-is-building-mosques/
Posted by Candace de Russy Aug 12th 2010 at 2:24 am in Featured Story, Foreign Policy, Islamic extremism, Terrorism | Comments (40)
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What else is the State Department larding out, at hard-pressed taxpayers’ expense, to facilitate “understanding” with the Muslim world?
What else, that is, in addition to Ground-Zero-Mega-Mosque Imam Rauf’s likely fund-raising gig in five, oil rich countries?
Just as it has greatly, very greatly, disturbed 68% of you registered voters to learn of plans to build a $100 million dollar mosque financed perhaps by the very ones who underwrote the 9/11 slaughter, it will likely disturb you to learn that the State Department has been hard at work – on your dime – rebuilding of mosques in foreign countries.
The Washington Times reports:
In April, U.S. Ambassador to Tanzania Alfonso E. Lenhardt helped cut the ribbon at the 12th-century Kizimkazi Mosque, which was refurbished with assistance from the United States under a program to preserve culturally significant buildings. The U.S. government also helped save the Amr Ebn El Aas Mosque in Cairo, which dates back to 642. The mosque’s namesake was the Muslim conqueror of Christian Egypt, who built the structure on the site where he had pitched his tent before doing battle with the country’s Byzantine rulers. For those who think the Ground Zero Mosque is an example of “Muslim triumphalism” glorifying conquest, the Amr Ebn El Aas Mosque is an example of such a monument – and one paid for with U.S. taxpayer funds.
By what lights is U.S. citizens’ money being used to preserve and advance Islam? What of First Amendment considerations about the use of public moneys for religious worship? Our government claims murkiness on these issues but nonetheless forges ahead in constructing mosque abroad:
In July 2009, the Office of the Inspector General published an audit of U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) faith-based and community initiatives that examined whether government funds were being used for religious activities. The auditors found that while USAID was funding some religious activities, officials were “uncertain of whether such uses of Agency funding violate Agency regulations or the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution” when balanced against foreign-policy objectives.
Casting uncertainty to the winds, our government proceeded to rebuild the Al Shuhada Mosque in Fallujah, Iraq, in the anticipation of
such benefits as “stimulating the economy, enhancing a sense of pride in the community, reducing opposition to international relief organizations operating in Fallujah, and reducing incentives among young men to participate in violence or insurgent groups.”
But here’s the rub:
Section 205.1(d) of title 22 of the Code of Federal Regulations prohibits USAID funds from being used for the rehabilitation of structures to the extent that those structures are used for “inherently religious activities.”
The Times is right: “It is impossible to separate religion from a mosque; any such projects will necessarily support Islam.”
Our taxpayer money should not be used to preserve and promulgate Islam. Nor should it be spent on a tour for Rauf that endows him with both access and the U.S. stamp of approval.
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I guess there is no separation between mosque/State.
I'm waiting for you libs and self righteous leftists to scream about this.
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In April, U.S. Ambassador to Tanzania Alfonso E. Lenhardt helped cut the ribbon at the 12th-century Kizimkazi Mosque, which was refurbished with assistance from the United States under a program to preserve culturally significant buildings. The U.S. government also helped save the Amr Ebn El Aas Mosque in Cairo, which dates back to 642. The mosque’s namesake was the Muslim conqueror of Christian Egypt, who built the structure on the site where he had pitched his tent before doing battle with the country’s Byzantine rulers. For those who think the Ground Zero Mosque is an example of “Muslim triumphalism” glorifying conquest, the Amr Ebn El Aas Mosque is an example of such a monument – and one paid for with U.S. taxpayer funds.
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And some of you freaking useful idiots who need not be named think the Mosque at ground zero is about freedom and tolerance and taxpayers wont be paying for it. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Great, we help build a mosque so they can use it to radicalize more terrorists. Just fucking great.
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Why would the government spend taxpayers' money on any religious project, muslim or otherwise, especially in a foreign country?
Taxdollars at work..
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I guess there is no separation between mosque/State.
Sure sounds like there isn't. :-\
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Great, we help build a mosque so they can use it to radicalize more terrorists. Just fucking great.
Like the fucking Saudi's need anymore help spreading their Wahabist/Salfist bullshit
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BUMP for the leftists on this site always screamining about separation of church/state.
Freaking hypocrites.
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BUMP for the leftists on this site always screamining about separation of church/state.
Our govt shouldn't pay for ANY religious group - church, mosque, whatever.
Period.
Everyone has the right to believe what they want, but damn... all this bitching about religion is pathetic... we're ignoring the sinking economy because we're all up in arms about this silly issue.... another issue of the week... last week it was the sherrod comment/naacp that had everyone's panties in a knot
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Our govt shouldn't pay for ANY religious group - church, mosque, whatever.
Period.
Everyone has the right to believe what they want, but damn... all this bitching about religion is pathetic... we're ignoring the sinking economy because we're all up in arms about this silly issue.... another issue of the week... last week it was the sherrod comment/naacp that had everyone's panties in a knot
You of all people need to shut your yap about the economy. You owe me an apology and mea culpa as it is since its August, 18 months since the Stim Bill was passed and UE is still as high as ever, AFTER THE FREAKING THIS WAS PASSED.
You said - "give it a chance", "lets wait and see", "4 Million jobs", blah blah blah. Man up and admit you were dead wrong.
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Our govt shouldn't pay for ANY religious group - church, mosque, whatever.
Period.
Everyone has the right to believe what they want, but damn... all this bitching about religion is pathetic... we're ignoring the sinking economy because we're all up in arms about this silly issue.... another issue of the week... last week it was the sherrod comment/naacp that had everyone's panties in a knot
Actually this does involve the economy because the fucking government is pissing away money they don't have a on shit in a foreign land.
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Liberals love the idea of a marriage between Mosque/State. Thats why they are silent on this.
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Actually this does involve the economy because the fucking government is pissing away money they don't have a on shit in a foreign land.
i dont think our govt should be pissing away $ on ANY religion.
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i dont think our govt should be pissing away $ on ANY religion.
Well if that is really the case you should be really pissed that the government is not only building indoctrination centers over sea's, but footing the bill to send the fucktard ground 0 mosque cleric on an tour of the ME.
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Well if that is really the case you should be really pissed that the government is not only building indoctrination centers over sea's, but footing the bill to send the fucktard ground 0 mosque cleric on an tour of the ME.
240 would only be pissed if it was Bush or Palin doing it. Obama does it, so he finds a way to blame palin and bush.
240 face it - Obama is a muslim, is a traitor, is a pofs, and is dead set on collpasing the nation. There are no other reasons or theories that can adequetaly explain what this admn is doing.
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This has to be the single biggest waste of money I've ever seen. Like Kazan said, do the Saudis and other Wahhabists really need help spreading their hatred? ::)
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This has to be the single biggest waste of money I've ever seen. Like Kazan said, do the Saudis and other Wahhabists really need help spreading their hatred? ::)
Again - where are all the self righteous liberals who scream about christianity on this?
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Strange, no libs in here to cry about seperation of church and state.
Oh wait....I think Palin just mispelled "ice cream" on twitter. They must be crying about important shit like that instead of this stupid seperation of (christian) church and state.
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i dont think any religious groups should be getting a penny of taxpayer $. I dont care if its muslim, satanic, or catholic (upon which I was raised).
Keep religion and govt separate. Period. Zero $ should be going to any of them.
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Strange, no libs in here to cry about seperation of church and state.
Oh wait....I think Palin just mispelled "ice cream" on twitter. They must be crying about important shit like that instead of this stupid seperation of (christian) church and state.
Truth. There are ridiculous Palin threads literally everyday and the liberal brigade is all over them. But this? ::)
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Truth. There are ridiculous Palin threads literally everyday and the liberal brigade is all over them. But this? ::)
Most liberals love the idea of a marriage of mosque/state since their hatred of christianity and america eclipses anything. They view islam as a friend in the old "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" since they hope islam can help bring down the country like it is in the UK.
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Most liberals love the idea of a marriage of mosque/state since their hatred of christianity and america eclipses anything. They view islam as a friend in the old "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" since they hope islam can help bring down the country like it is in the UK.
It really is a contradiction.
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Truth. There are ridiculous Palin threads literally everyday and the liberal brigade is all over them. But this? ::)
LMAO there was an air plane crash in alaska....PALIN!!!!
someone tweeted something...PALIN!!!!
someone had cue cards or crib notes...PALIN!!!
240 et all are morons to the highest degree yet will bitch and moan about distractions and issues when they arent targeted at palin...
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It really is a contradiction.
Not to the left it is not. They view islam as a fellow soldier in their war on the nation. Thanfully, many muslims here just want to be left alone, unlike in other nations. However, the leftists will exploit whoever they can to try to attack the nation.
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U.S. State Department is Building… Mosques
http://bigpeace.com/cderussy/2010/08/12/u-s-state-department-is-building-mosques/
Posted by Candace de Russy Aug 12th 2010 at 2:24 am in Featured Story, Foreign Policy, Islamic extremism, Terrorism | Comments (40)
________________________ ________________________ ______________
What else is the State Department larding out, at hard-pressed taxpayers’ expense, to facilitate “understanding” with the Muslim world?
What else, that is, in addition to Ground-Zero-Mega-Mosque Imam Rauf’s likely fund-raising gig in five, oil rich countries?
Just as it has greatly, very greatly, disturbed 68% of you registered voters to learn of plans to build a $100 million dollar mosque financed perhaps by the very ones who underwrote the 9/11 slaughter, it will likely disturb you to learn that the State Department has been hard at work – on your dime – rebuilding of mosques in foreign countries.
The Washington Times reports:
In April, U.S. Ambassador to Tanzania Alfonso E. Lenhardt helped cut the ribbon at the 12th-century Kizimkazi Mosque, which was refurbished with assistance from the United States under a program to preserve culturally significant buildings. The U.S. government also helped save the Amr Ebn El Aas Mosque in Cairo, which dates back to 642. The mosque’s namesake was the Muslim conqueror of Christian Egypt, who built the structure on the site where he had pitched his tent before doing battle with the country’s Byzantine rulers. For those who think the Ground Zero Mosque is an example of “Muslim triumphalism” glorifying conquest, the Amr Ebn El Aas Mosque is an example of such a monument – and one paid for with U.S. taxpayer funds.
By what lights is U.S. citizens’ money being used to preserve and advance Islam? What of First Amendment considerations about the use of public moneys for religious worship? Our government claims murkiness on these issues but nonetheless forges ahead in constructing mosque abroad:
In July 2009, the Office of the Inspector General published an audit of U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) faith-based and community initiatives that examined whether government funds were being used for religious activities. The auditors found that while USAID was funding some religious activities, officials were “uncertain of whether such uses of Agency funding violate Agency regulations or the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution” when balanced against foreign-policy objectives.
Casting uncertainty to the winds, our government proceeded to rebuild the Al Shuhada Mosque in Fallujah, Iraq, in the anticipation of
such benefits as “stimulating the economy, enhancing a sense of pride in the community, reducing opposition to international relief organizations operating in Fallujah, and reducing incentives among young men to participate in violence or insurgent groups.”
But here’s the rub:
Section 205.1(d) of title 22 of the Code of Federal Regulations prohibits USAID funds from being used for the rehabilitation of structures to the extent that those structures are used for “inherently religious activities.”
The Times is right: “It is impossible to separate religion from a mosque; any such projects will necessarily support Islam.”
Our taxpayer money should not be used to preserve and promulgate Islam. Nor should it be spent on a tour for Rauf that endows him with both access and the U.S. stamp of approval.
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I guess there is no separation between mosque/State.
I'm waiting for you libs and self righteous leftists to scream about this.
How come you are not screamig about the US building embassies in Iraq at a cost of HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS!!!! Did Iraq ask for a US embassy? Did not america already have one there? What about the US embassies built in Somalia? and Ethiopia? How aboutthese war games being played in South Korean waters? or how about the new war games being played in Vietnamese waters? or the latest new surge in war games with South Korea? http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/skoreankoreausmilitarydrill
How much taxpayer money is being wasted on this? and you cry about a mosque? The fact that america is building mosques in other lands should tell you something. Spend less time listening to your forever LYING MSM on these topics whose goal is only to garner viewership/Neilson ratings and nothing more. Sadly for the weak in mind it also garners racial and religious hostility.
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LMAO there was an air plane crash in alaska....PALIN!!!!
someone tweeted something...PALIN!!!!
someone had cue cards or crib notes...PALIN!!!
240 et all are morons to the highest degree yet will bitch and moan about distractions and issues when they arent targeted at palin...
Can't argue with you.
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How come you are not screamig about the US building embassies in Iraq at a cost of HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS!!!! Did Iraq ask for a US embassy? Did not america already have one there? What about the US embassies built in Somalia? and Ethiopia? How aboutthese war games being played in South Korean waters? or how about the new war games being played in Vietnamese waters? or the latest new surge in war games with South Korea? http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/skoreankoreausmilitarydrill
How much taxpayer money is being wasted on this? and you cry about a mosque? The fact that america is building mosques in other lands should tell you something. Spend less time listening to your forever LYING MSM on these topics whose goal is only to garner viewership/Neilson ratings and nothing more. Sadly for the weak in mind it also garners racial and religious hostility.
You are right, it is a waste of tax dollars and is outrageous.
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Bump.
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How come you are not screamig about the US building embassies in Iraq at a cost of HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS!!!! Did Iraq ask for a US embassy? Did not america already have one there? What about the US embassies built in Somalia? and Ethiopia? How aboutthese war games being played in South Korean waters? or how about the new war games being played in Vietnamese waters? or the latest new surge in war games with South Korea? http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/skoreankoreausmilitarydrill
How much taxpayer money is being wasted on this? and you cry about a mosque? The fact that america is building mosques in other lands should tell you something. Spend less time listening to your forever LYING MSM on these topics whose goal is only to garner viewership/Neilson ratings and nothing more. Sadly for the weak in mind it also garners racial and religious hostility.
You're pointing out other waste and saying we shouldn't be worried about this waste? ::)
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SAMSON is just angry that the United States is the leading importer of Bananas in the world, thus reducing his food supply.
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U.S. government funds mosque renovation and rehabilitation around the world
By Caroline May - The Daily Caller 2:52 AM 08/24/2010
While much attention has been focused on questions surrounding the Ground Zero mosque and the appropriateness of the State Department funding Ground Zero mosque imam Feisal Abdul Rauf’s trip to the Middle East, little attention has been given to the fact that U.S. taxpayer money is funding mosque development around the world.
Just a cursory search of the term “mosque” on the State Department’s list of “projects” reveals 26 examples of federal funds going to fund construction, renovation, and rehabilitation of various mosques abroad. The benefiting countries include Bulgaria, Pakistan, Mali, Tunisia, Afghanistan, Benin, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Albania, Egypt, Tunisia, the Maldives, Yemen, Turkmenistan, Tanzania, Uganda, Azerbaijan, Sudan, Serbia and Montenegro.
The U.S. Ambassadors Fund for Cultural Preservation (AFCP) — which is putting millions toward “heritage preservation” projects in the developing world — financed mosque-related projects in all the aforementioned countries.
In Montenegro, for example, the State Department has funded an effort to restore and conserve the Shadrvan (Fountain) of the Old Mosque in Pljevlja. According to the State Department’s website, without needed repairs there would not be a sufficient place for ritual washing before prayer.
“To support the restoration of a fountain at a 16th-century mosque concurrent with the restoration of the mosque itself. Used for ritual ablutions before prayer, the fountain has deteriorated over time and needs a new wooden octagonal roof, pipes, water-taps, and pavement,” the description of the project reads.
Nicole Thompson, a State Department spokeswoman, told The Daily Caller that the U.S. Ambassadors Fund for Cultural Preservation is a type of diplomatic effort and outreach, what she says Secretary of State Hillary Clinton calls “soft power.”
“It is helping to preserve our cultural heritage. It is not just to preserve religious structures,” Thompson said. “It is not to preserve a religion. It is to help us as global inhabitants preserve cultures.”
In a document provided on Monday to Indiana Republican Sen. Richard G. Lugar, ranking member of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, the State Department explained that the practice of funding such projects became acceptable in 2003 when the Justice Department declared that the U.S. Constitution’s Establishment Clause did not preclude federal funds from going to preserve religious structures if they had cultural importance.
The DOJ wrote: “That advice is provided in the following paragraph that appears in every AFCP request for grant proposals… ‘The establishment clause of the U.S. Constitution permits the government to include religious objects and sites within an aid program under certain conditions. For example, an item with a religious connection (including a place of worship) may be the subject of a cultural preservation grant if the item derives its primary significance and is nominated solely on the basis of architectural, artistic, historical or other cultural (not religious) criteria.’”
The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) has also spent millions reconstructing and financing multiple mosques in Cairo and Cyprus, as well as providing computers for imams in Tajikistan and Mali.
Interestingly, however, according to the Code of Federal Regulations, “USAID funds may not be used for the acquisition, construction, or rehabilitation of structures to the extent that those structures are used for inherently religious activities.”
USAID press officer Annette Aulton told TheDC that the code did not apply to the mosque construction and the imam computer projects as they were done for ostensibly secular concerns.
“Historic and cultural preservation activities have a clearly secular purpose as do activities to promote tourism,” Aulton wrote in an e-mail. “With respect to the computer center in the mosque in Tajikistan, this activity seems to be part of a larger program aimed at reducing social conflict.”
She continued, “[W]ith respect to the computer equipment provided to the Imam in Mali, there really isn’t enough information to do an analysis. There are references to promotion of the town’s historical, cultural and religious heritage, which sounds like a secular purpose.”
“I think it is disastrously wrongheaded and unconstitutional,” Robert Spencer, director of Jihad Watch, told TheDC in reference to the federal government’s funding of mosque renovation and rehabilitation abroad. “It is not going to accomplish what they hope it will. They are not going to win hearts and minds. It is not as if they are going to say ’the Americans built this mosque for us so we shouldn’t wage jihad on them.’”
Spencer went on to say that the State Department will often explain that it provides funds for cultural reasons, “but a mosque is a mosque is a mosque. It is where prayer happens. That is a religious instillation.”
Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) disagreed, telling TheDC that such projects can help improve relations with the Muslim world.
“Anytime the United States is seen as being on the side of Muslims, of their aspirations and their needs and goals, that can only help our image and interests around the world,” he said.
Dr. Sayyid M. Syeed, national director of the Islamic Society of North America Office of Interfaith and Community Alliances, echoed Hooper’s sentiments, telling TheDC that it is worthwhile to preserve centuries old historical and cultural structures and funding these projects could help America build bridges in the Muslim world.
“It is an erroneous image that America is singling Muslims out as their target,” he said. “So to some extent this could help.”
But Michael Rubin, resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, noted to TheDC that such initiatives are problematic because they often lack oversight and “quality control.”
“Part of the problem is the State Department really has no definition of what radical means and they also have no coherent strategy when it comes to dealing with extremist Islam,” Rubin said. “As a result you have young junior officers who are adjudicating grants and are basically approving them on the basis of what the grantee says rather than doing a deeper check behind who they are affiliated with or what their mission is.”
He continued, “Unfortunately Muslim Brotherhood type groups are the ones which are the slickest when it comes to PR and have the greatest ability to reach out.”
Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, president and founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, told TheDC that despite American efforts to reach out to Muslims around the world, a recent Zogby poll found that in the Muslim world, the percentage of the population which views America favorably still hovers around 18%.
“We have always felt this type of outreach is completely ineffective and that ultimately we have to approach it like the Cold War where we are fighting an ideology and we have to be poignantly open about what part of political Islam we are trying to change and modify,” Jasser said. “If we are going to have this long war of ideas we cannot fund these religious institutions. We can fund anti-Islamist institutions based in liberty.”
Herbert London, president of Hudson Institute, told TheDC that he is extremely troubled by the use of government funds for religious purposes. “I wouldn’t be okay with it if these were synagogues that they were funding,” he said.
According to the State Department’s disclosure to Sen. Lugar’s office, there are zero construction efforts occurring on historic Jewish synagogues, though there is funding of some Jewish related projects such as the “preservation of the Main Gate and Tombstones in the Jewish Cemetery in Sarajevo [Bosnia-Herzegovina].” The disclosure also shows examples of the State Department funding churches, cathedrals and Buddhist and Hindu temples abroad.
E-mail Caroline May and follow her on Twitter
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/24/u-s-government-funds-mosque-renovation-and-rehabilitation-around-the-world/print/#ixzz0xWXJNTqa
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“It is helping to preserve our cultural heritage. It is not just to preserve religious structures,” Thompson said. “It is not to preserve a religion. It is to help us as global inhabitants preserve cultures.”
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
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Great, we help build a mosque so they can use it to radicalize more terrorists. Just fucking great.
And you work for the fucking people (government) that continue to sell out the American people.......just fucking great! As long as morons like you will sign up to "serve" their country the US government will keep selling out the American people. Oh but wait....you're protecting my freedoms, democracy, and the lives of Americans......meanwhile your government is giving money to the same fools you are trying to defend against. LMAO! Fucking morons.
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And you work for the fucking people (government) that continue to sell out the American people.......just fucking great! As long as morons like you will sign up to "serve" their country the US government will keep selling out the American people. Oh but wait....you're protecting my freedoms, democracy, and the lives of Americans......meanwhile your government is giving money to the same fools you are trying to defend against. LMAO! Fucking morons.
Why does my first GB stalker have to be a gay male nurse always trying to play tough guy?
As to your post, if you're not bright enough to figure it out from my post, I agree we should not be giving them money.
And as member of the healthcare system, you talking about fucking anybody over is comical to say the least.
Run along now guy and find another ballsack to dangle from.
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WSBTV.com
Mosque Makeovers With Your Tax Dollars
Posted: 3:57 pm EST November 11, 2010
Updated: 6:13 pm EST November 11, 2010
WASHINGTON, D.C -- A Channel 2 Action News investigation found that the State Department is sending millions of dollars to save mosques overseas. This investment has received criticism as the United States makes an effort to slash nearly $4 trillion in government spending.
Plenty of outrage following the announcement made Thursday afternoon by a government commission that suggested huge cuts to the budget, including eliminating the interest education for home mortgage. This juxtaposed with United States investing millions to refurbish mosques as a good-will effort in Muslim countries has upset many taxpayer groups.
The Channel 2 Action News investigation found a 1,300-year-old Egyptian mosque that was almost flooded by contaminated sewer water that is one of many ancient Cairo mosques and churches that were saved from destruction by the U.S. taxpayers.
This is part of a $770 million program to rebuild Cairo's sewer system, paid for by the U.S. State Department's USAID program.
"We are spending money we don't have. This is all on a gigantic credit card right now," said Jared Thomas, a taxpayer advocate.
Millions more dollars have been sent to places like Cyprus. The State Department displays before and after pictures of mosques refurbished with U.S. tax dollars.
"I think it is very hard to explain to the American taxpayer right now whose having an extraordinary time paying bills and making ends meet that this is why we took this out of your paycheck, so we can fund this," said Thomas.
The State Department declined a Channel 2 Action News request for an interview. We wanted to ask why are we using tax dollars to refurbish religious buildings overseas. The State Department did send Channel Two Action News an e-mail saying that they are fighting Islamic extremism by building relationships with Islamic leaders.
Egyptian-American human rights activist Nonie Darwish told Channel 2 Action News anchor Justin Farmer that trying to buy respect in the Middle East only shows our weakness.
"This part of the world has a lot of respect for power and America is not showing its power, it's showing its appeasement. They are laughing all the way to the bank," said Darwish.
Darwish was born in Egypt and is now a former Muslim. Darwish told Farmer that she moved to America and has written several books critical of radical Islam. Darwish said that most of the mosques in Egypt are run by extremists who have ordered former Muslims like herself to be killed.
"We are rebuilding mosques to support the radicals, not to support the moderates. We are building mosques to issue fatwas of death against people like me," said Darwish.
Your tax dollars also fund computers and mosques in places like Tajikistan and Mali. At an ancient mud brick mosque in Mali, the State Department has provided Internet service and computer equipment to local imams.
Taxpayer watchdogs wonder how the State Department can explain paying for Internet service while Americans struggle through the worst recession in decades.
"To the average person who has probably seen their paycheck shrink and not grow, this could be an insult to them," said Pete Sepp, President of the National Taxpayers Association.
With radical websites inciting violence and extremism worldwide, there are concerns that the taxpayer-funded Internet service could be misused.
"That is not the job of the U.S. because giving them Internet access to imams and Muslim preachers who hate America," said Darwish.
Critics say that it is time to review funding for all federal programs that do not directly benefit taxpayers.
"We are spending money we don't have and certainly we can cut items like this," said Thomas.
The Deficit Commission announced it would look at slowing the growth of foreign aid. Channel 2 Action News is not aware if there will be cuts in this particular U.S Aid program. Copyright 2010 by WSBTV.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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BUMP for the leftists on this site always screamining about separation of church/state.
Freaking hypocrites.
I'm not sure if people consider me a leftist anymore. I'm not even sure what I am, but I'll chime in just in case. This is stupid and shouldn't be done whatsoever.
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This is part of a $770 million program to rebuild Cairo's sewer system, paid for by the U.S. State Department's USAID program.
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I'm not sure if people consider me a leftist anymore. I'm not even sure what I am, but I'll chime in just in case. This is stupid and shouldn't be done whatsoever.
You are not one of the people on a 24/7 anti christian mission.
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You are not one of the people on a 24/7 anti christian mission.
I'm pretty anti-Christan and do usually bring it up. I get bitched out for doing it. I hate Islam worse tho.
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I'm pretty anti-Christan and do usually bring it up. I get bitched out for doing it. I hate Islam worse tho.
i dont see you do the moral equivalence spin though.
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i dont see you do the moral equivalence spin though.
I've done it from a timeline perspective which really pisses off some people here. If we're just looking at today, I think it's clear that Islam is way way more dangerous and violent. Christianity has been there done that already. My major bitch about Christianity today is that it utilizes a different kind of terrorism. They terrorise mentally and emotionally and not violently. For them it's enough to put the fear of hell into people. Telling people that if they don't accept, they won't ever get to see their loved ones in the afterlife, stuff like that I just think it wrong. But no doubt, Islam is many times worse.
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BUMP
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it was your man bush that started this shit :o
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That is not the job of the U.S. because giving them Internet access to imams and Muslim preachers who hate America," said Darwish.
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Brilliant logic. Between this and the billions of dollars we ship to Pakistan every year as a reward for killing our soldiers I can't help but laugh at the sheer idiocy of this. Let's keep dumping money off to these two-faced Islamist scumbags. ::)
But there was a good quote in your latest article, 333. This sums up the situation perfectly:
"This part of the world has a lot of respect for power and America is not showing its power, it's showing its appeasement. They are laughing all the way to the bank," said Darwish."
Well said.
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BF - you and I and others ave said this time and time again - what have we gotten for all this gracious spending?
1. Major Hassan
2. XMas day Bomber
3. Times Square Bomber
4. Anwar al Aliki on a rampage
5. Commercial flights with toner bombs on them.
etc etc etc.
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BF - you and I and others ave said this time and time again - what have we gotten for all this gracious spending?
1. Major Hassan
2. XMas day Bomber
3. Times Square Bomber
4. Anwar al Aliki on a rampage
5. Commercial flights with toner bombs on them.
etc etc etc.
I'd have to say this appeasement thing looks be a resounding success! ::)
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This is part of a $770 million program to rebuild Cairo's sewer system, paid for by the U.S. State Department's USAID program.
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This is part of a $770 million program to rebuild Cairo's sewer system, paid for by the U.S. State Department's USAID program.
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Meanwhile, the Egyptian govt. continues to conduct a genocide on the Coptic Christian population.
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Mosque Makeovers With Your Tax Dollars (Video)
WSBTV.com ^ | Justin Farmer reports. | Justin Farmer
Video at link.
http://www.wsbtv.com/video/25764282/index.html
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This is why we need to stay out of others affairs and strengthen defense within our own borders. What a waste.
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WASHINGTON, D.C. — A Channel 2 Action News investigation found that the State Department is sending millions of dollars to save mosques overseas. This investment has received criticism as the United States makes an effort to slash nearly $4 trillion in government spending.Plenty of outrage following the announcement made Thursday afternoon by a government commission that suggested huge cuts to the budget, including eliminating the interest education for home mortgage. This juxtaposed with the United States investing millions to refurbish mosques as a good-will effort in Muslim countries has upset many taxpayer groups.
“We are spending money we don’t have. This is all on a gigantic credit card right now,” said Jared Thomas, a taxpayer advocate.
Millions more dollars have been sent to places like Cyprus. The State Department displays before and after pictures of mosques refurbished with U.S. tax dollars.
“I think it is very hard to explain to the American taxpayer right now whose having an extraordinary time paying bills and making ends meet that this is why we took this out of your paycheck, so we can fund this,” said Thomas.
The State Department declined a Channel 2 Action News request for an interview. We wanted to ask why are we using tax dollars to refurbish religious buildings overseas. The State Department did send Channel Two Action News an e-mail saying that they are fighting Islamic extremism by building relationships with Islamic leaders.
Egyptian-American human rights activist Nonie Darwish told Channel 2 Action News anchor Justin Farmer that trying to buy respect in the Middle East only shows our weakness.
“This part of the world has a lot of respect for power and America is not showing its power, it’s showing its appeasement. They are laughing all the way to the bank,” said Darwish.
Darwish was born in Egypt and is now a former Muslim. Darwish told Farmer that she moved to America and has written several books critical of radical Islam. Darwish said that most of the mosques in Egypt are run by extremists who have ordered former Muslims like herself to be killed.
“We are rebuilding mosques to support the radicals, not to support the moderates. We are building mosques to issue fatwas of death against people like me,” said Darwish.
Your tax dollars also fund computers and mosques in places like Tajikistan and Mali. At an ancient mud brick mosque in Mali, the State Department has provided Internet service and computer equipment to local imams.
Taxpayer watchdogs wonder how the State Department can explain paying for Internet service while Americans struggle through the worst recession in decades.
“To the average person who has probably seen their paycheck shrink and not grow, this could be an insult to them,” said Pete Sepp, President of the National Taxpayers Association.
With radical websites inciting violence and extremism worldwide, there are concerns that the taxpayer-funded Internet service could be misused.
“That is not the job of the U.S. because giving them Internet access to imams and Muslim preachers who hate America,” said Darwish.
Critics say that it is time to review funding for all federal programs that do not directly benefit taxpayers.
“We are spending money we don’t have and certainly we can cut items like this,” said Thomas.
The Deficit Commission announced it would look at slowing the growth of foreign aid. Channel 2 Action News is not aware if there will be cuts in this particular U.S Aid program.
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While I think it's bullshit... Question.
Did the US fund the rebuilding of churches after WWII?
If so, then we do have a precedence there.
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While I think it's bullshit... Question.
Did the US fund the rebuilding of churches after WWII?
If so, then we do have a precedence there.
Big difference we are not rebuilding mosques we blew up here.
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Big difference we are not rebuilding mosques we blew up here.
I don't understand... We blew up churches during WW2... Did we way to rebuild them?
If so, then should we not be doing the same to Mosques in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Perhaps I'm missing something... You're saying we're rebuilding mosques we blew up in the US? Did we blow up Mosques in the US?
You mean that the government is paying for a blown up Mosque here in the States?
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I don't understand... We blew up churches during WW2... Did we way to rebuild them?
If so, then should we not be doing the same to Mosques in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Perhaps I'm missing something... You're saying we're rebuilding mosques we blew up in the US? Did we blow up Mosques in the US?
You mean that the government is paying for a blown up Mosque here in the States?
Read the first article.
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I see... I do not agree with it, but has this happened in the past for any other religious locations in other countries?
Let's replace "Mosque" with "Place of Worship" for any religion... Would you still take issue with it?
Personally I would... If it was a Mosque, Church, Temple... Fuck the government giving money for that... Especially preservation of some old building in another country.
All around fucked up.
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I see... I do not agree with it, but has this happened in the past for any other religious locations in other countries?
Let's replace "Mosque" with "Place of Worship" for any religion... Would you still take issue with it?
Personally I would... If it was a Mosque, Church, Temple... Fuck the government giving money for that... Especially preservation of some old building in another country.
All around fucked up.
We are broke. We should not belaying for any of this bs.
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We are broke. We should not belaying for any of this bs.
I agree.
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U.S. State Department is Building… Mosques
http://bigpeace.com/cderussy/2010/08/12/u-s-state-department-is-building-mosques/
Posted by Candace de Russy Aug 12th 2010 at 2:24 am in Featured Story, Foreign Policy, Islamic extremism, Terrorism | Comments (40)
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What else is the State Department larding out, at hard-pressed taxpayers’ expense, to facilitate “understanding” with the Muslim world?
What else, that is, in addition to Ground-Zero-Mega-Mosque Imam Rauf’s likely fund-raising gig in five, oil rich countries?
Just as it has greatly, very greatly, disturbed 68% of you registered voters to learn of plans to build a $100 million dollar mosque financed perhaps by the very ones who underwrote the 9/11 slaughter, it will likely disturb you to learn that the State Department has been hard at work – on your dime – rebuilding of mosques in foreign countries.
The Washington Times reports:
In April, U.S. Ambassador to Tanzania Alfonso E. Lenhardt helped cut the ribbon at the 12th-century Kizimkazi Mosque, which was refurbished with assistance from the United States under a program to preserve culturally significant buildings. The U.S. government also helped save the Amr Ebn El Aas Mosque in Cairo, which dates back to 642. The mosque’s namesake was the Muslim conqueror of Christian Egypt, who built the structure on the site where he had pitched his tent before doing battle with the country’s Byzantine rulers. For those who think the Ground Zero Mosque is an example of “Muslim triumphalism” glorifying conquest, the Amr Ebn El Aas Mosque is an example of such a monument – and one paid for with U.S. taxpayer funds.
By what lights is U.S. citizens’ money being used to preserve and advance Islam? What of First Amendment considerations about the use of public moneys for religious worship? Our government claims murkiness on these issues but nonetheless forges ahead in constructing mosque abroad:
In July 2009, the Office of the Inspector General published an audit of U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) faith-based and community initiatives that examined whether government funds were being used for religious activities. The auditors found that while USAID was funding some religious activities, officials were “uncertain of whether such uses of Agency funding violate Agency regulations or the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution” when balanced against foreign-policy objectives.
Casting uncertainty to the winds, our government proceeded to rebuild the Al Shuhada Mosque in Fallujah, Iraq, in the anticipation of
such benefits as “stimulating the economy, enhancing a sense of pride in the community, reducing opposition to international relief organizations operating in Fallujah, and reducing incentives among young men to participate in violence or insurgent groups.”
But here’s the rub:
Section 205.1(d) of title 22 of the Code of Federal Regulations prohibits USAID funds from being used for the rehabilitation of structures to the extent that those structures are used for “inherently religious activities.”
The Times is right: “It is impossible to separate religion from a mosque; any such projects will necessarily support Islam.”
Our taxpayer money should not be used to preserve and promulgate Islam. Nor should it be spent on a tour for Rauf that endows him with both access and the U.S. stamp of approval.
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I guess there is no separation between mosque/State.
I'm waiting for you libs and self righteous leftists to scream about this.