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Title: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on September 09, 2010, 03:23:05 PM
One can only hope.

Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
September 9, 2010 - 2:35 PM | by: Shannon Bream

Two former Planned Parenthood employees-turned-whistleblowers have made stunning allegations regarding the abortion provider's accounting practices.  In a case now pending in federal court P. Victor Gonzalez alleges that he saw millions in fraudulent overbilling to state and federal governments when he worked as Chief Financial Officer for Planned Parenthood of Los Angeles (PPLA).

Gonzalez alleges that after he reported the problems internally he was fired.  While Gonzalez was still working for PPLA the state of California launched audits of various Planned Parenthood affiliates, and uncovered more than $5.2 million in overbilling at a single affiliate based in San Diego.  Gonzalez claims that Planned Parenthood lobbyists intervened to stop other audits that were still pending statewide.

In his court filings, Gonzalez has outlined several transactions he alleges show illegal activity.  For example, in one year Gonzalez says PPLA paid $225,695.65 for Ortho Tri-Cyclen birth control pills, yet billed the government $918,084 - for a profit of $692,388.35.

Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California (PPAC) says billing guidelines were unclear, and that nothing illegal or improper happened.  According to PPAC, "The allegations in the lawsuit are false and were addressed by the State of California long ago."  PPAC adds, "the California State Legislature passed a law in 2004 making it clear that the billing practices at issue in the case are completely permissible."

The law referenced by PPAC was sponsored by then-Assemblywoman Hannah-Beth Jackson, and allows Planned Parenthood to continue to bill at inflated rates.  Jackson has said she was persuaded by Planned Parenthood that it could not survive absent the mark up for reimbursement, and she considered the issue one of "access."

Planned Parenthood tried to have the Gonzalez whistleblower case dismissed on a technicality, but the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals recently denied that motion.  Walter Weber, who represents Gonzalez, says it could take years to actually get the case to trial.  Weber asserts that the issues outlined by Gonzalez are so wide-spread that they are akin to "ACORN-like corruption" - and that federal agencies, like the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, should consider de-funding Planned Parenthood of any government money.

However, the odds of that happening are slim according to Leslie Paige of the Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW).  Paige warns, "There ought to be a much more stringent and robust infrastructure there to terminate people's contracts for misuse of the funds," when it comes to the abuse of taxpayer dollars at entities across the country.  Paige says that actually happening is "a rarity."  The most recent figures available show that the Planned Parenthood Federal of America and its affiliates received $349.6 million dollars in government grants and contracts for fiscal year 2008.

Government audits of Planned Parenthood affiliates in New Jersey and Washington state have uncovered similar billing discrepancies.  In addition, a second California whistleblower claim alleging improper ties between Planned Parenthood and its political arm has reportedly launched an investigation by the criminal division of the Internal Revenue Service, according to the New York Times.

The IRS has declined comment on whether or not an investigation is actually in progress.  In the meantime, Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) has announced it is disassociating itself from the clinics linked to the second whistleblower and will refer patients to other affiliates in the area.

http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/09/09/could-whistleblower-claims-strip-planned-parenthood-of-government-funding/?test=latestnews


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on September 09, 2010, 05:30:57 PM
overbilling the government and even acts of fraud never prevented Haliburton and other companies from continuing to get government funding so I don't know why we would hold Planned Parenthood to a different standard


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: George Whorewell on September 09, 2010, 06:34:59 PM
overbilling the government and even acts of fraud never prevented Haliburton and other companies from continuing to get government funding so I don't know why we would hold Planned Parenthood to a different standard


Terrific logic as usual. I think that it should apply to all acts of fraud committed against the government by all people and organizations. If anyone gets wise, your getbig handle should be invoked to avoid prosecution.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on September 09, 2010, 06:39:16 PM
Terrific logic as usual. I think that it should apply to all acts of fraud committed against the government by all people and organizations. If anyone gets wise, your getbig handle should be invoked to avoid prosecution.

lol


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: tonymctones on September 09, 2010, 08:31:27 PM
Terrific logic as usual. I think that it should apply to all acts of fraud committed against the government by all people and organizations. If anyone gets wise, your getbig handle should be invoked to avoid prosecution.
should go down in history as one of the best getbig politics board posts of all time...kudos sir  :)


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on September 10, 2010, 06:53:37 AM
Terrific logic as usual. I think that it should apply to all acts of fraud committed against the government by all people and organizations. If anyone gets wise, your getbig handle should be invoked to avoid prosecution.

so you agree that we should give no more contracts to KBR and by extension Halliburton

glad to hear it

how about Boeing?

how about you take your pick of hundreds of different companies on this site:  http://www.contractormisconduct.org/index.cfm/1,73,221,html?ContractorID=13&ranking=2

it's nice when we can finally agree on something isn't it


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: George Whorewell on September 10, 2010, 11:54:54 AM
so you agree that we should give no more contracts to KBR and by extension Halliburton

glad to hear it

how about Boeing?

how about you take your pick of hundreds of different companies on this site:  http://www.contractormisconduct.org/index.cfm/1,73,221,html?ContractorID=13&ranking=2

it's nice when we can finally agree on something isn't it

No. I said that fraud against the Federal Government should have no penalties, criminal or otherwise.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on September 10, 2010, 12:24:28 PM
No. I said that fraud against the Federal Government should have no penalties, criminal or otherwise.

that's a pretty unique opinion

maybe you can convince some teabaggers to make that a campaign slogan



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: BM OUT on September 10, 2010, 01:24:37 PM
that's a pretty unique opinion

maybe you can convince some teabaggers to make that a campaign slogan



Wouldnt matter you dumb ass libs would just scream "racist racist racist".It makes no differance what a conservatives stands are,they are racists and we know this because Ed Shultz has Al Sharpton on everyday to remind us.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on September 10, 2010, 01:38:14 PM
Wouldnt matter you dumb ass libs would just scream "racist racist racist".It makes no differance what a conservatives stands are,they are racists and we know this because Ed Shultz has Al Sharpton on everyday to remind us.

do you ever stop bitching about Schultz and Sharpton

you already admitted you're a racist so why do you even give a shit


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 12, 2010, 11:06:12 AM
Planned Parenthood Got $349.6 Million in Tax Dollars, Performed 324,008 Abortions....
CNS News ^ | November 11, 2010 | Penny Starr




Planned Parenthood received $349.6 million in tax dollars in its fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2008 and paid its president, Cecile Richards, $385,163, plus another $11,876 in benefits and deferred compensation.

Also, according to a “fact sheet [2]” published by the organization, Planned Parenthood Affiliate Health Centers performed 324,008 abortions in 2008.

Planned Parenthood’s fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2008 is the latest year for which the organization has publicly released an annual report [3] and published the annual sum of grants and contracts it received from the government.

The $385,163 in pay Planned Parenthood President Richards received in the organization’s fiscal year ending June 30, 2008 was recorded in the organization’s publicly available Internal Revenue Service Form 990 filed for that year.

Richards also received $346,285 in total compensation from Planned Parenthood and $38,476 in total compensation from related groups in the organization’s fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2009, according to the organization’s Form 990 for that year.

Planned Parenthood did not respond to repeated inquiries from CNSNews.com about Cecile Richards’ compensation.



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on November 12, 2010, 11:20:46 AM
Dont' worry - planned parenthood will always have the financial support of past donors like Mitt Romney, so that they can continue whatever it is work they do.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2010, 06:37:35 PM
Dont' worry - planned parenthood will always have the financial support of past donors like Mitt Romney, so that they can continue whatever it is work they do.

 ::)

Romney's Wife Gave Money to Planned Parenthood
May 9, 2007

Former Gov. Mitt Romney's wife, Ann, gave an $150 donation to the abortion-rights group Planned Parenthood in 1994, at a time when Romney considered himself effectively "pro-choice," the Romney campaign confirmed today.

Campaign spokesman Kevin Madden said Ann Romney had no recollection of the circumstances under which she donated the money.

He said an internal review of Romney's personal records has not turned up any instances in which Romney, a Massachusetts Republican, himself sent money to groups that supported expanded abortion rights.

"The governor has not donated to Planned Parenthood or abortion-rights groups," Madden said.

Madden said he did not know whether the former governor was aware of the donation, but he noted that Romney had been publicly committed to upholding a woman's right to an abortion until late 2004.

"This is an issue that the governor has changed his position on, that the governor was wrong on in the past and believes he is right on now," he said.

. . . .

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3157749&page=1


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on November 12, 2010, 06:54:56 PM
Planned Parenthood Got $349.6 Million in Tax Dollars, Performed 324,008 Abortions....
CNS News ^ | November 11, 2010 | Penny Starr




Planned Parenthood received $349.6 million in tax dollars in its fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2008 and paid its president, Cecile Richards, $385,163, plus another $11,876 in benefits and deferred compensation.

Also, according to a “fact sheet [2]” published by the organization, Planned Parenthood Affiliate Health Centers performed 324,008 abortions in 2008.

Planned Parenthood’s fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2008 is the latest year for which the organization has publicly released an annual report [3] and published the annual sum of grants and contracts it received from the government.

The $385,163 in pay Planned Parenthood President Richards received in the organization’s fiscal year ending June 30, 2008 was recorded in the organization’s publicly available Internal Revenue Service Form 990 filed for that year.

Richards also received $346,285 in total compensation from Planned Parenthood and $38,476 in total compensation from related groups in the organization’s fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2009, according to the organization’s Form 990 for that year.

Planned Parenthood did not respond to repeated inquiries from CNSNews.com about Cecile Richards’ compensation.



Good to see our tax dollars are being put to good use.   ::)


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on February 03, 2011, 05:59:56 PM
How many times does this organization have to commit outrageous acts before we stop giving them tax dollars? 

Undercover 'Sex Work' Videos Fuel Congressional Campaign Against Planned Parenthood
Published February 03, 2011
FoxNews.com
 
Undercover videos similar to the ones that brought down ACORN are causing big problems for Planned Parenthood, fueling an effort in Congress to defund the nation's largest abortion provider.

Two sting videos have so far been released allegedly showing local Planned Parenthood managers giving advice to a couple posing as a pimp and prostitute on how to obtain services for underage sex workers.
The first video, shot at a clinic in Perth Amboy, N.J., was released Tuesday. The anti-abortion group Live Action released a second video Thursday showing a similar scene at a clinic in Richmond, Va.

The manager in the first video, identified as Amy Woodruff, was fired by Planned Parenthood after the video was released. 

Phyllis Kinsler, CEO of Planned Parenthood of Central New Jersey, said the organization has a "zero tolerance policy for this kind of behavior" and that the employee was immediately suspended Tuesday before being fired. 

"We were profoundly shocked when we viewed the videotape released this morning, which depicted an employee of one of our health centers behaving in a repugnant manner that is inconsistent with our standards of care and is completely unacceptable," she said in a written statement Tuesday. "We are fully committed to delivering high-quality reproductive health care to the women of our communities, complying with all laws, and upholding the highest ethical standards."

But Live Action is calling for an investigation in both cases. It's not clear how many videos the group will release, but it claims it has enough footage to demonstrate a "pattern" of illicit activity.

"We wanted to demonstrate how severe this problem was," Live Action President Lila Rose told FoxNews.com. "People are really starting to pay attention. ... This is institutional."
Rose has released undercover footage involving Planned Parenthood before, but these are the first to deal with the issue of sex trafficking.

The video released Tuesday quickly gave momentum to Rep. Mike Pence's, R-Ind., effort to strip federal funding for abortion providers. With Planned Parenthood the biggest recipient of those funds, Pence said Americans should be "shocked" that the organization "has been recorded aiding and abetting underage sex trafficking."

"The recent release of an undercover video exposing duplicity and potential criminality by an employee of Planned Parenthood is an outrage," Pence said. "The time to deny any and all funding to Planned Parenthood is now."

He urged Congress to immediately bring his bill, which would end family planning grants for abortion providers, to the floor for consideration. Pence reintroduced that bill last month. According to a Government Accountability Office study last summer, Planned Parenthood tapped into $657 million in federal dollars between 2002 and 2009.

Rose said she thinks the videos will move the bill along, saying it's "atrocious" that taxpayer dollars are going toward the organization.

The Susan B. Anthony List also announced that it was banding together with other anti-abortion groups to kick off a campaign to build congressional support for Pence's proposal in light of the footage. And Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., a co-sponsor on that bill, linked to the first Planned Parenthood video on her Facebook page, vowing to introduce her own bill "that would prohibit Planned Parenthood from receiving any future federal money directly or indirectly."

The undercover videos bear similarities to those that united lawmakers in opposition to low-income advocacy group ACORN. The New Jersey Planned Parenthood video showed a couple walking into the Perth Amboy clinic for help with their "sex work."

The man in the video can be heard explaining to the Planned Parenthood employee that his "girls" -- some of whom he describes as being 14 or 15 years old and illegal immigrants -- need to get tested for sexually transmitted diseases. He also inquires about abortion services.

After initially telling the couple that Planned Parenthood is "obligated" to report certain information about minors, the employee says she "doesn't want to get anyone in trouble." She pulls out a piece of paper and refers them to what is apparently another clinic for abortion services.

"You never got this from me," she says. "If they're 14 and under, just send them right there if they need an abortion. ... Their protocols aren't as strict as ours."

The employee said her clinic wants "as little information as possible" and later tells the couple to come talk to her if there are any problems. She urges any underage girls to lie about their age.

"Worse ever comes to worst, you guys come see me," she says. "I'll jump in ... with nobody looking. ... That's why you come and ask for me only."

New Jersey Attorney General Paula Dow has since launched a preliminary review into the tape. Spokesman Paul Loriquet told FoxNews.com that Dow referred the evidence to her criminal justice division -- the state will afterward determine whether a full investigation is warranted.

But Planned Parenthood, after the second tape was released Thursday, accused Live Action of "coordinating its activities" in order to push Pence's bill. The organization stood by the employee in the Virginia video, saying the worker notified her supervisor and that the report was then relayed to other staff members.

The organization claims it was already aware of a possible attempt to smear it. Though Planned Parenthood sacked the manager in the New Jersey tape, the organization apparently got ahead of the impending release last week, issuing a statement saying that it had alerted federal authorities to a "potential multistate sex trafficking ring" last month. The organization said it had notified Attorney General Eric Holder of that possibility after learning that people claiming to be in the sex-trafficking business had sought advice at nearly a dozen clinics across six states in the course of a week.

Planned Parenthood said it had suspected the visitors might be part of a "hoax" by anti-abortion activists looking to discredit the group. The group specifically named Live Action as the organization potentially behind the sting.

"When Planned Parenthood learns of an operation that exploits young women, we vigilantly work with law enforcement authorities to uncover and stop this abhorrent activity," spokesman Stuart Schear said in a written statement. "Planned Parenthood's top priority is the health and safety of our patients and the health and well-being of women and teens across the country, and we have been in contact with federal and local authorities to identify the persons involved in these visits."

Schear went on to say that while sex trafficking must be stopped, "dirty tricks" must be "condemned."

"Falsely claiming sex trafficking to health professionals to advance a political agenda is an astoundingly cynical form of political activity," Schear said.

Planned Parenthood released another statement Tuesday reiterating that its workers had "immediately" notified their superiors after being visited by people claiming to be involved in sex trafficking. The group said Live Action's goal is to "take down" Planned Parenthood.

Rose dismissed Planned Parenthood's explanation.

"They clearly didn't think it was a hoax if they fired their manager," she said. "They're talking out of both sides of their mouths."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/03/undercover-sex-work-videos-fuel-congressional-campaign-planned-parenthood/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on February 03, 2011, 06:01:11 PM
Giving advice to what they thought was a pimp with underaged prostitutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iMScbJJS2g


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 03, 2011, 06:11:12 PM
Typical. 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Kazan on February 03, 2011, 07:37:27 PM
We don't have enough orphans, criminals, and drug addicts who didn't have a good up bringing running around as it is.  I say we do away with Planned Parenthood.

 ::)

That makes about as much sense as for instance, you rob a bank and we execute your child for the crime


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on February 03, 2011, 08:28:54 PM
We don't have enough orphans, criminals, and drug addicts who didn't have a good up bringing running around as it is.  I say we do away with Planned Parenthood.

 ::)

I'm sure there is no correlation between not wanting or being able to care for a child and choosing to have an abortion

If it turns out that's not the case I'm sure the churches and individual christians will step in and help raise the children

they are, after all Pro Life


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on February 03, 2011, 08:34:02 PM
Romney's Wife Gave Money to Planned Parenthood
May 9, 2007

Former Gov. Mitt Romney's wife, Ann, gave an $150 donation to the abortion-rights group Planned Parenthood in 1994, at a time when Romney considered himself effectively "pro-choice," the Romney campaign confirmed today.

Campaign spokesman Kevin Madden said Ann Romney had no recollection of the circumstances under which she donated the money.

He said an internal review of Romney's personal records has not turned up any instances in which Romney, a Massachusetts Republican, himself sent money to groups that supported expanded abortion rights.

"The governor has not donated to Planned Parenthood or abortion-rights groups," Madden said.

Madden said he did not know whether the former governor was aware of the donation, but he noted that Romney had been publicly committed to upholding a woman's right to an abortion until late 2004.

"This is an issue that the governor has changed his position on, that the governor was wrong on in the past and believes he is right on now," he said.

. . . .

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3157749&page=1



Wow... Romney was 40 years old and pro choice.  And a First lady who activaely donated money to the many things Planned Parenthood does?

I don't see how he recovers in the primary.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on February 12, 2011, 01:46:05 PM
Do it. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38UubD2U7PI


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 22, 2011, 04:19:38 AM
BB - check this out.   

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-planned-parenthood-controversy-manufactured




Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on February 22, 2011, 05:02:03 AM
Pence definitely trumps Romney on the abortion issue...

However, which man do you trust more on fixing the economy?

Strange that mamy repubs will choose a man who is worse on the economy over abortion.  A man in his early 40s will be barely affected by the abortion issue, but the economy?  A huge deal for him.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 22, 2011, 05:18:16 AM
Compared to obama - any of the talked about potential nominees are better.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: newmom on February 22, 2011, 05:52:37 AM
I'm not in favor of government funding abortions (although I am pro choice) but to cut off all funding will end with numerous unwanted children born. Now a friend of mine had this discussion yesterday and she posed this question.

Would you rather your tax dollars pay for 18 years for most of these unwanted children or terminate the pregnancy in the first 12 weeks. I replied interesting point but how bout parents teach kids consequences of unprotected sex. Then we talked about shows like teen mom on MTV. I used to think it was a good way to show young girls that being a mom is NOT easy. My friend said and then go look at the magazines over there on the stand (we were at the gym) and boom their were some of the girls from that show on the cover. She said, these young girls see them on the cover and will think that could be the way to fame. She was kind of right about that IMO.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on February 22, 2011, 09:24:59 AM
I'm not in favor of government funding abortions (although I am pro choice) but to cut off all funding will end with numerous unwanted children born. Now a friend of mine had this discussion yesterday and she posed this question.

Would you rather your tax dollars pay for 18 years for most of these unwanted children or terminate the pregnancy in the first 12 weeks. I replied interesting point but how bout parents teach kids consequences of unprotected sex. Then we talked about shows like teen mom on MTV. I used to think it was a good way to show young girls that being a mom is NOT easy. My friend said and then go look at the magazines over there on the stand (we were at the gym) and boom their were some of the girls from that show on the cover. She said, these young girls see them on the cover and will think that could be the way to fame. She was kind of right about that IMO.

exactly right

the most direct way to prevent abortion is to prevent unwanted pregnacies

defunding Planned Parenthood would increase unwanted pregnancies which would result in more abortions

http://opinionessoftheworld.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/planned-parenthood-stats.png


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Fury on February 22, 2011, 09:28:55 AM
Next time Planned Parenthood should stop aiding hood rats and other felonious criminals in their attempts to skirt the law.

Waste of money to begin with.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 22, 2011, 03:01:31 PM
Obama Praises Planned Parenthood; Questions Pro-Life Videos
The Christian Post ^ | Feb. 21, 2011 | Stephanie Samuel




In a recent NBC Channel 12 interview, President Barack Obama praised Planned Parenthood's work and suggested that pro-life videos implicating the abortion provider of cover ups were "manufactured."

Obama expressed pro-choice sentiments during a Richmond, Va. television interview. The interviewer asked the president to comment on videos made by youth-led group Live Action, and Republicans' efforts to defund Planned Parenthood Federation of America.

Obama responded by pointing to other issues that he contended deserved more attention. He also questioned the authenticity of the Live Action videos.

"I think some of these issues get manufactured and they get a lot of attention on the blogosphere," Obama responded. "I think that Planned Parenthood, in the past, has done good work."

He suggested national problems such as jobs and the economy be addressed instead of focusing on abortion.

The president's comments were taped last week when House Republicans were working to pass an amendment to the spending proposal that would completely defund PPFA.

During the Thursday testimony session, GOP representatives persuaded House members to vote for the amendment by referencing the videos.

Amendment author Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) rehashed the abortion provider's past indiscretions.

"The headlines and years of investigations speak for themselves. In 2002, Parenthood was found civilly liable in Arizona for failure to report statutory rape. In 2008 it violated reporting laws in Indiana and California. In 2009 it instructed a girl in Tennessee to lie about her age so she could get an abortion without her parents' knowledge," he stated.

Pence also described the undercover Live Action videos that show branch employees in various states, including Virginia, give advice to a self-proclaimed pimp and prostitute.

Pence concluded, "As the father of two teenage daughters, there are not words strong enough to portray my contempt of this pattern of apparent fraud and abuse by Planned Parenthood."

PPFA President Cecile Richards has denounced the videos saying they were edited to damage the group’s reputation. PPFA officials also said staff simply answered the actors' questions and reported the encounters afterwards.

Some pro-lifers have also questioned Live Action's methods. In the Catholic legal theory blog, Mirror of Justice, the writer of a Feb. 15 post questions whether the apprehensible actions of Planned Parenthood justify having actors lie to expose the truth.

The writer concludes, "A culture of life can only be built on a foundation of truth. Lying may produce short term victories, but it will, in the end, frustrate our long term objective."

Still, House representatives approved the amendment to cut all federal funding to the nation's largest abortion provider on Friday. On Saturday, Congress members passed the spending bill that includes the amendment to defund PPFA.

Pro-life groups heralded the vote as a victory for the preborn. The National Black Pro-life Union praised Pence in a statement released today.

"I want to thank you for your efforts to defund Planned Parenthood," stated Day Gardner, NBPLU president. "This great news is especially important to members of the black community as we celebrate Black History Month."

Sidewalk counseling group 40 Days for Life celebrated the newly passed bill Friday with, "You Did It," emails to supporters. The group partnered with Live Action founder Lila Rose to lobby Congress.

After the Friday vote, PPFA released a letter entitled, "How Could You?"

"Your vote was not only against those who seek care at Planned Parenthood health centers, but against every one of us who has ever sought care there, and against every one of us who knows that when we are healthy, when we are in charge of our lives, we thrive," the letter read.

Obama's past comments have revealed him to be pro-choice.

In a January speech marking the 38th anniversary of Roe v Wade, he said, "the Supreme Court decision that protects women's health and reproductive freedom, and affirms a fundamental principle: that government should not intrude on private family matters."

In the recent NBC interview, Obama asked politicians not be "distracted" by the abortion issue.

The approved House spending bill with the anti-Planned Parenthood amendment inside is headed to the Senate. The bill will likely meet resistance in the Democrat-controlled chamber.

House Republicans also have another bill in committee to stop all abortion providers from receiving federal funds through the Title X program. There is no word when it will be voted on.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2678169/posts



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: newmom on February 22, 2011, 03:05:02 PM
Next time Planned Parenthood should stop aiding hood rats and other felonious criminals in their attempts to skirt the law.

Waste of money to begin with.

I don't see it that way. I was far from a hoot rat when I went in there at 16 to get on the pill


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on February 22, 2011, 06:20:22 PM
BB - check this out.   

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-planned-parenthood-controversy-manufactured




So the president essentially called this a manufactured controversy?   ::)  What about the plethora of other examples of Planned Parenthood engaging in misconduct?  Just flat out embarrassing. 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on September 28, 2011, 08:00:37 AM
House Panel Launches Probe of Planned Parenthood
Published September 28, 2011
FoxNews.com

In this Jan. 23 photo, Bryan Howard, CEO of Planned Parenthood Arizona, walks in front of a Planned Parenthood facility in Tucson, Ariz.

A Republican-led House committee has launched an investigation into Planned Parenthood, requesting a mountain of documents covering everything from audits to abortion-funding records to its policies on reporting sexual abuse.

In a move Democrats decried as "unfair and unjustified," Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., earlier this month wrote to Planned Parenthood informing them that the House Energy and Commerce Committee was looking at the group's "institutional practices and policies."

Stearns, chairman of the committee's oversight panel, said in a statement that federal funding indirectly helps Planned Parenthood pay for abortions despite legal restrictions. Leaving no doubt about his intentions, he said that funding "should be evaluated" along with other expenses to reduce the deficit.

"Although Planned Parenthood is barred from using federal funds to perform abortions, these funds are fungible and allow the group to use funds from other sources ostensibly for abortions," Stearns said in a statement. "Since the Planned Parenthood Foundation of America receives about $1 million a day in taxpayer funds, I sent a letter to the group's president requesting documents and information as we look at the organization's use of federal dollars and its compliance with various laws."

Stearns also cited what he called the group's "extensive record of violating state sexual assault and child abuse reporting laws, and of encouraging young girls to lie about their ages to circumvent state reporting laws."

The line was an apparent reference to a series of sting operations conducted by anti-abortion group Live Action. The group has released videos which appear to show, in some cases, Planned Parenthood employees offering advice to people posing as sex traffickers.

But Planned Parenthood staunchly defended its practices and dismissed Stearns' request as a politically motivated attack -- one that follows unsuccessful Republican-led attempts in Congress to strip federal funding for Planned Parenthood.

"Planned Parenthood is a trusted nonprofit health care provider that provides professional, reliable and quality health care, including birth control, lifesaving cancer screenings, annual exams and STD testing and treatment to 3 million women and men across the country," group President Cecile Richards said in a statement. "This politically motivated investigation is a continuation of the efforts of earlier this year to undermine Planned Parenthood, and more disturbingly, women's access to the primary and preventive care they need."

In a letter sent Tuesday to Stearns, Reps. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., and Diana DeGette, D-Colo., excoriated Stearns for his request.

They suggested the probe was part of a "Republican vendetta" against the group and described his document request as "extraordinarily broad and burdensome." Noting that other watchdogs regularly audit Planned Parenthood, they wrote that "we are aware of no predicate that would justify this sweeping and invasive request."

"We are committed to strong congressional oversight," they wrote. "But we are opposed to investigations that appear to be designed to harass and shut down an organization simply because Republicans disagree with the work that it does."

Stearns is requesting several sets of documents. He asked Planned Parenthood for internal audits for the national organization and its affiliates covering 1998-2010. He asked for documentation showing how federal funding is segregated from abortion services. He asked for policies showing how Planned Parenthood reports cases of potential sexual abuse.

Live Action President Lila Rose applauded the move, calling the group's practices "abusive and lawless."

Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the anti-abortion Susan B. Anthony List, called the probe a "critical step" in holding the group accountable.

"We strongly believe that as Congress and the American people learn more about Planned Parenthood, they will see the urgency in defunding them immediately of the hundreds of millions of tax dollars they receive every year," she said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/28/house-panel-launches-probe-planned-parenthood/?test=latestnews


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on May 05, 2012, 08:47:16 AM
Gov. Brewer signs Arizona ban on Planned Parenthood funding
Published May 05, 2012
Associated Press

PHOENIX –  Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a bill to cut off Planned Parenthood's access to taxpayer money funneled through the state for non-abortion services.

Arizona already bars use of public money for abortions except to save the life of the mother, but anti-abortion legislators and other supporters of the bill have said the broader prohibition is needed to make sure that no public money indirectly supports abortion services.

"This is a common sense law that tightens existing state regulations and closes loopholes in order to ensure that taxpayer dollars are not used to fund abortions, whether directly or indirectly," said Brewer, a Republican. "By signing this measure into law, I stand with the majority of Americans who oppose the use of taxpayer funds for abortion."

Arizona has said a funding ban would interrupt its preventive health care and family planning services for nearly 20,000 women served by the organization's clinics. The organization has said it will consider a legal challenge.

The measure targeting funding for Planned Parenthood for non-abortion services was one of several approved by Arizona's Republican-led Legislature related to contentious reproductive health care issues during a 116-day session that ended Thursday. Brewer is a Republican.

Other approved Arizona bills include one generally banning abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, which Brewer has already signed, and one loosening a state law that generally requires health care plans to cover contraception.

On the funding issue, similar attempts in Texas, Kansas and Indiana have resulted in litigation.

States that considered versions of the legislation this year included New Hampshire where lawmakers effectively killed a bill as they heeded warnings that blocking public funding to abortion providers could jeopardize New Hampshire's Medicaid program.

A federal appeals court ruled Friday that Texas cannot ban Planned Parenthood from receiving state funds, at least until a lower court has a chance to hear formal arguments. At issue is funding for a Texas program that provides basic health care and contraception to 130,000 poor women.

Texas lost federal Medicaid funding for its Women's Health Program after the federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services said a state law prohibiting funding for clinics affiliated with an abortion provider violated a federal law that guarantees women the right to choose their health care providers.

Texas' attorney general sued the federal government to have the funding restored, while clinics have sued the state.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/05/gov-brewer-signs-arizona-ban-on-planned-parenthood-funding/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on May 05, 2012, 09:09:06 AM
Great job Arizona - now your citizens can not only pay for more unwanted children but they will also get to enjoy higher rates and breast cancer and cervical cancer which will no doubt wind up costing the state more money too



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: tonymctones on May 05, 2012, 09:15:56 AM
Great job Arizona - now your citizens can not only pay for more unwanted children but they will also get to enjoy higher rates and breast cancer and cervical cancer which will no doubt wind up costing the state more money too
If planned parenthood was really concerned about it all they need to do is seperate the two business practices.

Two bad this has become more about political activism then it is about the health of women and their babies.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on May 05, 2012, 09:27:07 AM
If planned parenthood was really concerned about it all they need to do is seperate the two business practices.
Two bad this has become more about political activism then it is about the health of women and their babies.

why should they do anything just to please fundie christians and I doubt establishing a bunch of separate facilities (and at what cost) would satisfy the fundies anyway.  

Better to just let the good people of Arizona enjoy the consequences of the decisions by their politicians

It will be a good case study

Let's check back in about 5 years and see the results









Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: tonymctones on May 06, 2012, 06:12:40 AM
why should they do anything just to please fundie christians and I doubt establishing a bunch of separate facilities (and at what cost) would satisfy the fundies anyway.  

Better to just let the good people of Arizona enjoy the consequences of the decisions by their politicians

It will be a good case study

Let's check back in about 5 years and see the results
b/c it would let them get back to the business of helping hapless women that SUPPOSEDLY cares so much about.

per their own statements abortions only are a small percentage of their business. Why let the rest of the business suffer for the small percentage?

not doing so is basically cuting off your nose to spite your face


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: tonymctones on May 06, 2012, 06:15:16 AM
It will be a good case study

Let's check back in about 5 years and see the results
A good case study indeed, but I think if they are allowed to institute their immigration bills it may sway the findings a little too.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on May 06, 2012, 07:00:58 AM
b/c it would let them get back to the business of helping hapless women that SUPPOSEDLY cares so much about.

per their own statements abortions only are a small percentage of their business. Why let the rest of the business suffer for the small percentage?

not doing so is basically cuting off your nose to spite your face

administrations come and go and this is only one state

why should they modify anything they do to please a handful of fundies in one state

bottom line is that this decision will result in higher rates of cervical cancer, breast cancer and unwanted pregnacies, all of which will cost the state of Arizona more money.  That is a great example of cutting off your nose to spite your face

I say let both sides live with the consequences


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: tonymctones on May 06, 2012, 07:11:30 AM
administrations come and go and this is only one state

why should they modify anything they do to please a handful of fundies in one state

bottom line is that this decision will result in higher rates of cervical cancer, breast cancer and unwanted pregnacies, all of which will cost the state of Arizona more money.  That is a great example of cutting off your nose to spite your face

I say let both sides live with the consequences
Ill agree with that statement...

but if they were sincerely concerned with their mission they would do whats necessary to keep the vast majority of their operations funded. I think i read before that supposedly abortions are like 3% of their procedures...

why let 3% hinder the other 97%(if thats the %)?

if they did this they wouldnt have to worry about admins coming and going for 97% of their business to achieve their social mission.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on May 06, 2012, 08:53:20 AM
Ill agree with that statement...

but if they were sincerely concerned with their mission they would do whats necessary to keep the vast majority of their operations funded. I think i read before that supposedly abortions are like 3% of their procedures...

why let 3% hinder the other 97%(if thats the %)?

if they did this they wouldnt have to worry about admins coming and going for 97% of their business to achieve their social mission.

how exactly are they supposed to foot the bill to do what you suggest
are they supposed to get an agreement upfront from AZ and honestly why even bother

it would be better for their cause in the long run to let people see the results of lack of access to their services


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: tonymctones on May 06, 2012, 03:38:04 PM
how exactly are they supposed to foot the bill to do what you suggest
are they supposed to get an agreement upfront from AZ and honestly why even bother

it would be better for their cause in the long run to let people see the results of lack of access to their services
foot the bill for what? seperating their business?

get a DBA and just keep another set of books.

If abortions are what they say and only a small % of their business Im sure they could get that small % funded publicly by ppl like yourself.

if they do that then, what reason would anyone have to keep money from then?



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on May 06, 2012, 04:40:08 PM
foot the bill for what? seperating their business?

get a DBA and just keep another set of books.

If abortions are what they say and only a small % of their business Im sure they could get that small % funded publicly by ppl like yourself.

if they do that then, what reason would anyone have to keep money from then?

as you know, federal law prohibits any $'s from going to abortion so there is no need to change anything just to please a group of politicians in one state

As I've already said, I think it's better for  PP cause in the long run to deny services and let the states enjoy the increase costs as a result

That would have more of an effect than try to appease fundie nutjob (who will never be satisfied)


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on May 30, 2012, 01:46:35 PM
How the heck are they doing this with our tax dollars??


Planned Parenthood targets Romney with new swing-state ad buy
Published May 30, 2012
FoxNews.com

Planned Parenthood, endorsing President Obama Wednesday morning, went after Mitt Romney out of the gate with a new ad buy in crucial swing states accusing the Republican candidate of undermining women's rights.

The ad campaign seeks to exploit the so-called gender gap between the two candidates. Polls consistently show Obama doing better among female voters than Romney -- though Romney typically does better among men.

The 30-second ad, a $1.4 million buy expected to run in Florida and Iowa, pulls no punches. It intersperses sound-bites from Romney with warnings about his policies.

"When Mitt Romney says, 'Planned Parenthood, we're gonna get rid of that,' Romney is saying he'll deny women the birth control and cancer screenings they depend on," the narrator says. "When Romney says, 'Do I believe the Supreme Court should overturn Roe v. Wade? Yes,' he's saying he'll deny women the right to make their own medical decisions."

The quote from Romney saying he'd "get rid" of Planned Parenthood has drawn complaints from the Romney camp in the past when it's been used by opposition groups. In the original interview with a St. Louis TV station, Romney appeared to be saying he'd get rid of federal funding for Planned Parenthood, and not the organization itself.

Regardless, the Planned Parenthood ad buy marks the latest escalation in a general election race that is quickly heating up. Romney clinched the nomination Tuesday night with a win in the Texas primary -- Obama, according to his campaign, called Romney shortly before noon on Wednesday to congratulate him. 

With the latest ad buy, the Obama campaign can allow Planned Parenthood to wage somewhat of a proxy fight over women's issues and abortion, allowing the president's reelection team to focus on Romney's resume.

The Obama campaign is about to add a new line of attack to its anti-Romney message. After calling into question his tenure at Bain Capital, the campaign now plans to criticize his record as governor of Massachusetts. An Obama campaign official told Fox News this does not mean the campaign is abandoning its attacks over Bain.

The Romney campaign, meanwhile, is going after the Obama administration for its record of using taxpayer dollars to fund companies "that later failed."

No doubt meant as a response to the Bain aid, a new Romney web video asks voters: "President Obama is spending your tax dollars to create jobs. How's he doing?"

It goes on to cite Solyndra, the solar-panel firm that went bankrupt after receiving a $535 million taxpayer-backed loan guarantee. But the video notes "that's not even half the story," and cites other Energy Department-backed loans and grants to firms that later lost money and cut workers.

Outside groups on both sides will continue to pour millions into the presidential campaign. According to Politico, conservative super PACs and other organizations are planning to spend roughly $1 billion on the White House and congressional races.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/30/planned-parenthood-targets-romney-with-new-swing-state-ad-buy/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 25, 2012, 12:43:44 PM
Rep wants public hearing on Planned Parenthood after woman's death
Published July 24, 2012
FoxNews.com

Planned Parenthood is facing new calls for congressional scrutiny after a Chicago woman died following an abortion at a local clinic last week.

Twenty-four-year old Tonya Reaves died Friday of hemorrhaging following the abortion, according to the Cook County Medical Examiner's office. Her death has been ruled an accident.

While Planned Parenthood afterward issued a statement expressing condolences to the family, the abortion provider's most vocal critics in Washington swiftly began calling for a closer look into the group's safety guidelines and financial practices.

Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., who launched a probe into Planned Parenthood earlier this year, is now calling for a public hearing on Capitol Hill.

"I would like to put them under oath," he told Fox News. "I would like to find out how they spend our half a billion dollars, and I would also like to explore some of the safety aspects, particularly in light of this death, of this tragedy."

Stearns claims that since he launched a congressional probe, all he's gotten are thousands of pages of irrelevant documents and no answers to his questions.

The anti-abortion Susan B. Anthony List also called for congressional oversight in the wake of Reaves' death.

"Congress has an obligation to exercise clear and regular oversight of businesses like Planned Parenthood that receive hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer funding and have such dramatic impact on the lives of women and unborn children," Susan B. Anthony List President Marjorie Dannenfelser said in a statement. "We must not allow Tonya Reaves to have died in vain, but rather heed this warning and call on Congress to exercise its full capacity to investigate Planned Parenthood."

Planned Parenthood's national office so far has not responded to requests from Fox News for comment. The Illinois chapter of Planned Parenthood released the following statement, which ran over the weekend in local media:

"While legal abortion services in the United States have a very high safety record, a tragedy such as this is devastating to loved ones, and we offer our deepest sympathies. Planned Parenthood of Illinois cares deeply about the health and safety of each and every patient."

The Guttmacher Institute reports that nationally, abortion has become much safer since the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision. One study, which cited data from the '90s, said fewer than .3 percent of abortion patients "have complications requiring hospitalization."

"Today, having an abortion in the United States involves far less short-term risk than carrying a pregnancy to term," the report said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/24/rep-wants-public-hearing-on-planned-parenthood-after-woman-death/#ixzz21beUrLmd?test=latestnews?test=latestnews


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 25, 2012, 12:55:43 PM
How the heck are they doing this with our tax dollars??

NRA, churches and other groups are tax-exempt and campaign for romney.

I'm sure we can find many examples of groups or individiuals that get tax dollars and use (abuse) them for political goals.

This isn't new.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on July 25, 2012, 01:03:05 PM
NRA, churches and other groups are tax-exempt and campaign for romney.

I'm sure we can find many examples of groups or individiuals that get tax dollars and use (abuse) them for political goals.

This isn't new.

and almost certainly PP didn't used taxpayer funds for the ad buy but most l likely used funds donated to them or one of their PACS.    Surely Repubs can't have any problem with that


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 25, 2012, 01:11:17 PM
NRA, churches and other groups are tax-exempt and campaign for romney.

I'm sure we can find many examples of groups or individiuals that get tax dollars and use (abuse) them for political goals.

This isn't new.

Aside from that being flatly untrue (what else is new), the issue is tax dollars being given to an organization that campaigns for one political party.  Should never happen.     


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on July 25, 2012, 01:17:15 PM
Aside from that being flatly untrue (what else is new), the issue is tax dollars being given to an organization that campaigns for one political party.  Should never happen.     

except of course that it's 100% true.  Churches are tax exempt yet use public resources that are paid for by other taxpayers and many do violate the law by actively engaging in the political process.    PP on the other hand has various PACS and used donated money rather than tax dollars to fund their political ads


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 25, 2012, 02:50:27 PM
Aside from that being flatly untrue (what else is new), the issue is tax dollars being given to an organization that campaigns for one political party.  Should never happen.     

which part is untrue?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 25, 2012, 02:52:04 PM
Aside from that being flatly untrue (what else is new), the issue is tax dollars being given to an organization that campaigns for one political party.  Should never happen.     

Really?  SO you're okay with tax dollarsbeing given to an org that campaigns for one political party?


Pick a field, there are examples in most.  healthcare, anyone?

Youre a smart man, BB, I didn't expect this from you - plenty of organizations get tax subsidies and blow it on political lobbying for both parties.  You didn't know this?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on July 25, 2012, 02:53:19 PM
which part is untrue?

none of it but Bum would like to pretend that it is anyway


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 25, 2012, 03:11:56 PM
none of it but Bum would like to pretend that it is anyway

this is pretty much common sense that plenty of companies use that tax-free, exempt, or subsidized status, while working to further their political goals thru influence.

I guess oil companies dont have lobbyists, huh?  ;)  healthcare companies too.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 25, 2012, 03:58:41 PM
Really?  SO you're okay with tax dollarsbeing given to an org that campaigns for one political party?


Pick a field, there are examples in most.  healthcare, anyone?

Youre a smart man, BB, I didn't expect this from you - plenty of organizations get tax subsidies and blow it on political lobbying for both parties.  You didn't know this?

What the heck are you talking about?  Of course you know I take nothing you say at face value.  What churches campagin for Romney?  And which one of those churches receives direct taxpayer subsidies?   

And what the heck does that have to do with whether Planned Parenthood should be allowed to receive taxpayer money when they're a partisan political abortion mill? 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 25, 2012, 04:05:47 PM
What the heck are you talking about?  Of course you know I take nothing you say at face value.  What churches campagin for Romney?  And which one of those churches receives direct taxpayer subsidies?   

And what the heck does that have to do with whether Planned Parenthood should be allowed to receive taxpayer money when they're a partisan political abortion mill? 

churches enjoy tax exempt status.

many chruches outwardly or subtly use their resources to elect candidates.  It's against the law but it's not somethign that is actually enforced.

In 2006, something like 62% of churches looked at by the govt were violating the decades old mandate.  nobody really does anything about it tho.



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 25, 2012, 04:13:38 PM
churches enjoy tax exempt status.

many chruches outwardly or subtly use their resources to elect candidates.  It's against the law but it's not somethign that is actually enforced.

In 2006, something like 62% of churches looked at by the govt were violating the decades old mandate.  nobody really does anything about it tho.



Churches don't get taxpayer money.  A tax exemption isn't the same as a tax subsidy.  Churches cannot engage in partisan politics and maintain their tax exempt status.

And churches that violate that requirement do get investigated, so to say nobody really does anything about it isn't accurate. 

Again, what does any of that have to do with Planned Parenthood? 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 25, 2012, 04:16:12 PM
Churches don't get taxpayer money.  A tax exemption isn't the same as a tax subsidy.  Churches cannot engage in partisan politics and maintain their tax exempt status.
And churches that violate that requirement do get investigated, so to say nobody really does anything about it isn't accurate. 
Again, what does any of that have to do with Planned Parenthood? 

well, youre acting all dramatic and offended that a company that gets some of its $ from the govt would get involved in politics.

Shit happens all the time.  ANd really, things like this mean we're not talking about the economy. 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 25, 2012, 04:37:38 PM
well, youre acting all dramatic and offended that a company that gets some of its $ from the govt would get involved in politics.

Shit happens all the time.  ANd really, things like this mean we're not talking about the economy. 

Nobody is acting dramatic and offended.   ::)  I just tend to care what happens with my tax dollars. 

And most people are smart enough to talk about multiple issues.  Discussion of one topic is not the exclusion of others. 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on July 25, 2012, 06:47:37 PM
Churches don't get taxpayer money.  A tax exemption isn't the same as a tax subsidy.  Churches cannot engage in partisan politics and maintain their tax exempt status.

And churches that violate that requirement do get investigated, so to say nobody really does anything about it isn't accurate. 

Again, what does any of that have to do with Planned Parenthood? 

a tax exemption is absolutely like getting something for free

churches use the roads, utilties, public services, etc..



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 27, 2012, 02:43:19 PM
Rep wants public hearing on Planned Parenthood after woman's death
Published July 24, 2012
FoxNews.com

Planned Parenthood is facing new calls for congressional scrutiny after a Chicago woman died following an abortion at a local clinic last week.

Twenty-four-year old Tonya Reaves died Friday of hemorrhaging following the abortion, according to the Cook County Medical Examiner's office. Her death has been ruled an accident.

While Planned Parenthood afterward issued a statement expressing condolences to the family, the abortion provider's most vocal critics in Washington swiftly began calling for a closer look into the group's safety guidelines and financial practices.

Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., who launched a probe into Planned Parenthood earlier this year, is now calling for a public hearing on Capitol Hill.

"I would like to put them under oath," he told Fox News. "I would like to find out how they spend our half a billion dollars, and I would also like to explore some of the safety aspects, particularly in light of this death, of this tragedy."

Stearns claims that since he launched a congressional probe, all he's gotten are thousands of pages of irrelevant documents and no answers to his questions.

The anti-abortion Susan B. Anthony List also called for congressional oversight in the wake of Reaves' death.

"Congress has an obligation to exercise clear and regular oversight of businesses like Planned Parenthood that receive hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer funding and have such dramatic impact on the lives of women and unborn children," Susan B. Anthony List President Marjorie Dannenfelser said in a statement. "We must not allow Tonya Reaves to have died in vain, but rather heed this warning and call on Congress to exercise its full capacity to investigate Planned Parenthood."

Planned Parenthood's national office so far has not responded to requests from Fox News for comment. The Illinois chapter of Planned Parenthood released the following statement, which ran over the weekend in local media:

"While legal abortion services in the United States have a very high safety record, a tragedy such as this is devastating to loved ones, and we offer our deepest sympathies. Planned Parenthood of Illinois cares deeply about the health and safety of each and every patient."

The Guttmacher Institute reports that nationally, abortion has become much safer since the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision. One study, which cited data from the '90s, said fewer than .3 percent of abortion patients "have complications requiring hospitalization."

"Today, having an abortion in the United States involves far less short-term risk than carrying a pregnancy to term," the report said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/24/rep-wants-public-hearing-on-planned-parenthood-after-woman-death/#ixzz21beUrLmd?test=latestnews?test=latestnews

Five hour delay between the second trimester abortion and taking her to the ER. 

Documents Shed Light On Woman’s Death After Abortion
July 24, 2012 9:27 AM
Reporting Steve Miller

CHICAGO (CBS) — Documents about the abortion performed for a West Side woman – and her subsequent death – reveal some new details about her final hours last Friday.

As WBBM Newsradio’s Steve Miller reports, the abortion was last Friday morning, according to documents in the case of 24-year-old Tonya Reaves.

Reaves had the abortion – formally called a “D and E” or dilation and evacuation procedure – at Planned Parenthood at 18 S. Michigan Ave. at 11 a.m., according to documents.

After the procedure, she was suffering bleeding, and a Fire Department ambulance took her to Northwestern Memorial Hospital at 4:30 p.m.

Then at 5:30 p.m., doctors performed an ultrasound, and another dilation and evacuation procedure – basically, another abortion – this time at Northwestern.

But after that, there were then more problems, and pain. That warranted a new ultrasound, and a perforation was discovered.

At 10:12 p.m., Reaves was taken back to surgery – and “an uncontrollable bleed was discovered,” documents say.

Reaves was pronounced dead just in the operating room just over an hour later, at 11:20 p.m.

Reaves’ twin sister, Toni Reaves, said this past weekend that Tonya was engaged to be married and had one son – Alvin – who just had his first birthday.

“It happened so fast. She was just fine one day and then the next day she was gone. We’re just trying to figure out what happened… what happened,” Toni Reaves said.

In a written statement this past Saturday, Planned Parenthood of Illinois chief executive officer Carole Brite said “We were shocked and saddened upon learning of a tragic development at a nearby hospital. Our hearts go out to the loved ones of this patient.

“While legal abortion services in the United States have a very high safety record, a tragedy such as this is devastating to loved ones and we offer our deepest sympathies. Planned Parenthood of Illinois cares deeply about the health and safety of each and every patient. We do not publicly discuss private patient matters and we follow HIPAA laws that forbid the disclosure of patient information.”


http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/07/24/documents-shed-light-on-womans-death-after-abortion/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on July 27, 2012, 02:50:37 PM
people die from medical procedures everyday

it's just a fact of life

the fact that this happened during an abortion is irrelevent and I wouldn't be suprised to find that abortions have lower levels of complications/death than most other surgical procedures


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: whork on July 27, 2012, 02:57:11 PM
people die from medical procedures everyday

it's just a fact of life

the fact that this happened during an abortion is irrelevent and I wouldn't be suprised to find that abortions have lower levels of complications/death than most other surgical procedures

Beach Bum wants to outlaw heart, kidney etc operations apparently


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on July 27, 2012, 03:10:07 PM
Beach Bum wants to outlaw heart, kidney etc operations apparently

people die every year from botched cosmetic surgeries such as liposcuction and face lifts

I've read that the rate of death from botched liposuction is greater than the rate of death from car addidents (i.e. % of fatalities vs total accidents).

http://liponews.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/liposuction-deaths-higher-than-car-crash-fatalities/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 21, 2012, 07:10:10 PM
 :)

Appeals Court Rules Texas Can Cut off Planned Parenthood Funding
Tuesday, 21 Aug 2012

A U.S. appeals court ruled on Tuesday that Texas can cut off funding to affiliates of Planned Parenthood for a state women's health program because the network of clinics provides abortions.
The decision is a blow to Planned Parenthood, which is the nation's largest abortion provider and has been under attack from conservatives across the country. Some conservatives oppose any state government money going to support abortions.

Planned Parenthood denies the money to some of its affiliated clinics supports abortions and said it was for cancer screenings, birth control, and well-woman examinations, which focus on health histories and reproductive healthcare.

Texas is the most populous of a number of states with Republican majorities that have mounted a campaign to cut off funding to Planned Parenthood. A group of Planned Parenthood clinics earlier this year filed a federal lawsuit to stop Texas from cutting off the funding.

The ruling on Tuesday reversed a lower court decision that had temporarily allowed Planned Parenthood to continue receiving funding from the Texas program.

After the appeals court decision was announced, Texas said it would immediately stop providing money to Planned Parenthood under the Women's Health Program, which provides services to poor women.

"We appreciate the court's ruling and will move to enforce state law banning abortion providers and affiliates from the Women's Health Program as quickly as possible," Texas Health and Human Services Commission spokeswoman Stephanie Goodman said.

Planned Parenthood said that the decision puts the health of some 52,000 Texas women in jeopardy. The state program covers more than 100,000 women and Planned Parenthood has said the eight clinics suing Texas stand to lose $13 million a year.

"We are evaluating every possible option to protect women's health in Texas," Planned Parenthood Action Fund president Cecile Richards said in a statement.

The dispute erupted after Texas said that it would enforce a law that had been on the books for several years barring funding for abortion providers and affiliates.

The battle has also pitted Republican-dominated Texas state government against the administration of Democratic President Barack Obama because 90 percent of the funding for the Texas health program comes from the federal government.

The Obama administration has said it will not renew federal funding for the Texas program because the state was violating federal law by restricting the freedom to choose health providers.

But Texas Governor Rick Perry, a Republican, said in a statement on Tuesday that the state would continue to run the program despite the federal government decision not to renew funding Texas.

http://www.newsmax.com/US/texas-planned-parenthood-funding/2012/08/21/id/449315


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on January 08, 2013, 01:37:22 PM
Planned Parenthood Sets Abortion Record as Taxpayer Support Peaks
Tuesday, 08 Jan 2013
By Michael Mullins

Planned Parenthood performed a record 333,964 abortions in 2011 while receiving a record-high $542 million in taxpayer support during the fiscal 2011-2012 years, according to the organization's recently released annual report.

According to the report, the government support represented 45 percent of Planned Parenthood's total annual revenue.

The figures in the annual report sparked outrage among pro-life advocates like Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the non-profit Susan B. Anthony List which lobbies politicians to promote policies to reduce and ultimately end abortion in the United States.

"While government subsidies to Planned Parenthood have reached an all-time high, so too has the number of lives ended by this profit-driven abortion business. Destroying nearly one million children in three years is not health care and does not reflect a concern for vulnerable women and girls. As Planned Parenthood’s funding goes up, abortions increase and real health services for women go down," said Dannenfelser in a statement.

Dannenfelser was referring to the fact that Planned Parenthood reported performing 995,687 abortions in the past three years, with 332,278 in 2009 and 329,445 in 2010, while cancer screening and treatment for sexually-transmitted disease have dropped significantly.

Reacting to the amount of government spending for Planned Parenthood, U.S. Rep. Diane Black, R-Tenn., said the report "underscores the pressing need to cut off all federal funding for Planned Parenthood," according to Fox News.

Responding in turn to Black's statement, Planned Parenthood's Cecile Richards said, "Some members of Congress just don't get it. Two years ago, the first order of business for Tea Party Republicans was blocking women's access to health care and defunding Planned Parenthood, and now they're at it again."

Richards continued, "They apparently learned nothing from the results of the last election, when Americans said overwhelmingly that they do not want politicians dictating women's access to health care."

The same annual report showed that Planned Parenthood provided sexually-transmitted disease treatment and testing for 4.5 million people and cancer screening and prevention services for 1.3 million people.

According to The Washington Examiner, cancer screening and prevention services provided by Planned Parenthood have dropped by 29 percent since 2009.

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/planned-parenthood-abortion-record/2013/01/08/id/470523


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on January 08, 2013, 03:33:08 PM
Planned Parenthood Sets Abortion Record as Taxpayer Support Peaks
Tuesday, 08 Jan 2013
By Michael Mullins

Planned Parenthood performed a record 333,964 abortions in 2011 while receiving a record-high $542 million in taxpayer support during the fiscal 2011-2012 years, according to the organization's recently released annual report.

According to the report, the government support represented 45 percent of Planned Parenthood's total annual revenue.

The figures in the annual report sparked outrage among pro-life advocates like Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the non-profit Susan B. Anthony List which lobbies politicians to promote policies to reduce and ultimately end abortion in the United States.

"While government subsidies to Planned Parenthood have reached an all-time high, so too has the number of lives ended by this profit-driven abortion business. Destroying nearly one million children in three years is not health care and does not reflect a concern for vulnerable women and girls. As Planned Parenthood’s funding goes up, abortions increase and real health services for women go down," said Dannenfelser in a statement.

Dannenfelser was referring to the fact that Planned Parenthood reported performing 995,687 abortions in the past three years, with 332,278 in 2009 and 329,445 in 2010, while cancer screening and treatment for sexually-transmitted disease have dropped significantly.

Reacting to the amount of government spending for Planned Parenthood, U.S. Rep. Diane Black, R-Tenn., said the report "underscores the pressing need to cut off all federal funding for Planned Parenthood," according to Fox News.

Responding in turn to Black's statement, Planned Parenthood's Cecile Richards said, "Some members of Congress just don't get it. Two years ago, the first order of business for Tea Party Republicans was blocking women's access to health care and defunding Planned Parenthood, and now they're at it again."

Richards continued, "They apparently learned nothing from the results of the last election, when Americans said overwhelmingly that they do not want politicians dictating women's access to health care."

The same annual report showed that Planned Parenthood provided sexually-transmitted disease treatment and testing for 4.5 million people and cancer screening and prevention services for 1.3 million people.

According to The Washington Examiner, cancer screening and prevention services provided by Planned Parenthood have dropped by 29 percent since 2009.

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/planned-parenthood-abortion-record/2013/01/08/id/470523


This is GREAT NEWS.   Thanks for posting this


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: whork on January 08, 2013, 04:31:48 PM


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood

Seems like a good cause.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 10, 2013, 10:31:54 AM
BREAKING: Former head of D.C. abortion group arrested in child sex sting
 lan ^ | 1.10.2013 | Cassy Fiano

Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:07:20 PM by Morgana

News has just broke that Scott Richard Swirling, former director of the pro-abortion National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association (NFPRHA), has been arrested in a child sex sting. Swirling was caught trying to solicit sex with a twelve-year-old girl online; luckily, it was an undercover police officer and Swirling was taken into custody.

Scott Richard Swirling, 61, thought he was discussing plans to meet a District man who was offering to let him have sex with his preteen daughter, authorities said.

It turns out Swirling was dealing with an undercover D.C. police officer.

Swirling, of Gaithersburg, was arrested Tuesday and charged with traveling across state lines to engage in illicit sexual conduct, a crime which carries a penalty of up to 30 years.

This arrest shows just how deep the canker of perversion rests within the abortion industry. Live Action’s undercover investigations have showed that the abortion industry, and Planned Parenthood in particular, is more than willing to cover up the sexual abuse of children if it means more abortions. This makes the abortion industry complicit in many instances of child sexual abuse.

Like most organizations int he abortion industry, NFPRHA, is a strong supporter of taxpayer funding for abortion, and includes Planned Parenthood affiliates as members.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 09, 2013, 11:41:59 AM
Good.

GAO to Investigate Planned Parenthood's Taxpayer Dollar Use
Friday, 09 Aug 2013
By Melanie Batley

The Government Accountability Office confirmed Thursday that it will investigate how Planned Parenthood is using the millions of taxpayer dollars it receives each year.

The announcement came after 72 members of Congress, petitioned the agency in February seeking an audit of the country's largest abortion provider and other providers that receive federal funding, Fox News reported Thursday.

In 2010, the GAO released a report that indicated significant discrepancies in Planned Parenthood's reported spending and funding.

In the Republican-sponsored letter to the GAO, the lawmakers called on the agency to provide an update on how federal funds are being spent by organizations that provide abortion services.

"Planned Parenthood and other organizations who provide abortions are dependent on Uncle Sam, but there is no accounting with what they are actually using the money for," said Louisiana GOP Sen. David Vitter, who along with Tennessee GOP Rep. Diane Black, is leading the push of an audit.

Last year, clinics affiliated with the Planned Parenthood Federation of America performed a record 333,964 abortions and reported a record $1.2 billion in revenue generated, according to a report by Life Decisions International.

Taxpayer funding of the organization reached $538.5 million last year and accounted for 45.2 percent of Planned Parenthood's total annual budget in 2011-2012.

Meanwhile, the organization is under renewed scrutiny after its Texas affiliate was forced to pay a $4.3 million at the end of July to settle a whistle-blower lawsuit alleging that the organization fraudulently billed Medicaid over $30 million, according to the Houston Chronicle.

"Federal and state auditors and investigators have specifically tabbed Planned Parenthood affiliates with at least $12.5 million in waste, abuse and 'fraudulent overbilling' of taxpayers. Former Planned Parenthood employees and others allege many millions more," Casey Mattox, a lawyer for Alliance Defending Freedom, said after the settlement.

The alliance group has filed lawsuits against Planned Parenthood and has produced a report that it claims tracks the organization's waste.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/gao-planned-parenthood-taxpayer/2013/08/09/id/519645#ixzz2bVDV95du


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on February 13, 2014, 09:55:24 AM
Five hour delay between the second trimester abortion and taking her to the ER. 

Documents Shed Light On Woman’s Death After Abortion
July 24, 2012 9:27 AM
Reporting Steve Miller

CHICAGO (CBS) — Documents about the abortion performed for a West Side woman – and her subsequent death – reveal some new details about her final hours last Friday.

As WBBM Newsradio’s Steve Miller reports, the abortion was last Friday morning, according to documents in the case of 24-year-old Tonya Reaves.

Reaves had the abortion – formally called a “D and E” or dilation and evacuation procedure – at Planned Parenthood at 18 S. Michigan Ave. at 11 a.m., according to documents.

After the procedure, she was suffering bleeding, and a Fire Department ambulance took her to Northwestern Memorial Hospital at 4:30 p.m.

Then at 5:30 p.m., doctors performed an ultrasound, and another dilation and evacuation procedure – basically, another abortion – this time at Northwestern.

But after that, there were then more problems, and pain. That warranted a new ultrasound, and a perforation was discovered.

At 10:12 p.m., Reaves was taken back to surgery – and “an uncontrollable bleed was discovered,” documents say.

Reaves was pronounced dead just in the operating room just over an hour later, at 11:20 p.m.

Reaves’ twin sister, Toni Reaves, said this past weekend that Tonya was engaged to be married and had one son – Alvin – who just had his first birthday.

“It happened so fast. She was just fine one day and then the next day she was gone. We’re just trying to figure out what happened… what happened,” Toni Reaves said.

In a written statement this past Saturday, Planned Parenthood of Illinois chief executive officer Carole Brite said “We were shocked and saddened upon learning of a tragic development at a nearby hospital. Our hearts go out to the loved ones of this patient.

“While legal abortion services in the United States have a very high safety record, a tragedy such as this is devastating to loved ones and we offer our deepest sympathies. Planned Parenthood of Illinois cares deeply about the health and safety of each and every patient. We do not publicly discuss private patient matters and we follow HIPAA laws that forbid the disclosure of patient information.”


http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/07/24/documents-shed-light-on-womans-death-after-abortion/

Planned Parenthood Pays $2 Million for Wrongful Death, Press Ignores
By Jill Stanek | February 12, 2014

Late last week came the news that Planned Parenthood of Illinois, Northwestern Memorial Hospital, and Northwestern Medical Faculty Foundation have agreed to pay $2 million in a wrongful death settlement to the surviving young son of a woman who died after an abortion at a Chicago Planned Parenthood in 2012.

This is huge news, no? Were this a settlement to a family whose loved one died because a hospital refused her an abortion, it would be broadcast everywhere.

On July 20, 2012, 24-year-old Tonya Reaves, pictured right, died after a late-term abortion at Planned Parenthood’s Loop Health Center from uncontrolled bleeding, according to court documents.

Other reports have implicated a 5-plus hour delay by the Michigan Avenue PP in getting Reaves to Northwestern and more delays in getting treatment there. At the hospital, Reaves was allegedly found to be suffering from an incomplete abortion and perforated uterus.

Reaves’ son is now 3  years old and will receive $1,479,571.39 after attorneys get their cut. Payment will be dispensed to him beginning when he is 18 as follows:

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(An attorney friend explained in an email that the delay in payments to Reaves’s son “is so he can make the decision how to spend it as an adult, which is not that unusual with large sums. Too many times it is spent by guardians and nothing left for child.”)

Where are the media? And the plot thickens in this case because abortion clinics in Illinois are completely unregulated. What a tie-in to all the legislation being proposed, passed, and sued in the states requiring that abortion clinics be regulated and inspected! What a counterpoint to pro-abortion protests that these regs are unwarranted!

Oh, but wait. This story thwarts the pro-abortion agenda in so many ways, doesn’t it. Any news organization reporting on it would look too fair and balanced. Never mind. Carry on with your cutesie condom fundraisers and Vine videos, Planned Parenthood.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jill-stanek/2014/02/12/planned-parenthood-pays-2-million-wrongful-death-press-ignores#ixzz2tE4C0nN6


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on June 09, 2014, 12:28:33 PM
The baby killing business pays pretty well.

Planned Parenthood's CEO Makes More than Half a Million Annually
June 6, 2014
By Barbara Boland

Planned Parenthood states that "nearly half" its patients "rely on Medicaid" to cover their health costs - yet Planned Parenthood pays its CEO Cecile Richards over half a million dollars.

According to the 990 form which Planned Parenthood is required to file as a "non-profit," Cecile Richards made a cool $523,616 in 2012.

Planned Parenthood received $540.6 million from the U.S. taxpayers that year, but of course Richards says "none of my salary is paid for by the federal government."  That’s pretty fancy accounting.

Supposedly, the mission of Planned Parenthood is to "make health care accessible and affordable," especially to the low-income women they claim to serve.

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the United States and had a net revenue of $1.21 billion during the same period. Abortion is big, bloody, business, and it looks like it pays handsomely.

http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbara-boland/planned-parenthoods-ceo-makes-more-half-million-annually?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Marketing&utm_term=Facebook&utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=b-pp-salary


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on June 09, 2014, 02:54:20 PM
A salary of 525k is not that much for a CEO of a nationwide organization and doesn't even land her in the top 25 highest paid non-profit CEO's

Killing fully formed human beings pays a lot better than ending unwanted pregnancies

Wayne La Pierre (CEO of the NRA) makes 972k


http://www.charitywatch.org/hottopics/Top25.html





Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: flipper5470 on June 09, 2014, 02:56:00 PM
Abort all the future democrats you want...death may be the only way to truly fix stupid.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: dario73 on June 10, 2014, 07:21:35 AM
A salary of 525k is not that much for a CEO of a nationwide organization and doesn't even land her in the top 25 highest paid non-profit CEO's

Killing fully formed human beings pays a lot better than ending unwanted pregnancies

Wayne La Pierre (CEO of the NRA) makes 972k


http://www.charitywatch.org/hottopics/Top25.html


She shouldn't get a cent considering what she supports.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on June 10, 2014, 07:24:18 AM
She shouldn't get a cent considering what she supports.

welcome to the United States of America

did you just get here ?

go find a 5th grader to explain basic civics to you


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 21, 2014, 09:17:08 AM
Lawsuit: After Abortion, Planned Parenthood Returns 13 Year-Old To Father Who Sexually Abused Her
July 14, 2014
By Barbara Boland

A Colorado mother is suing Rocky Mountain Planned Parenthood for giving her 13 year old a secret abortion and sending her back with the man who was sexually abusing her, following the abortion procedure in 2012.

Cary Smith, the girl's mother, has filed a lawsuit accusing Planned Parenthood of failing to report suspected child abuse to authorities even though the workers at the clinic were mandatory reporters, and allowing the 13 year old girl's stepfather to continue abusing her in secret. The suit is for negligence, extreme and outrageous conduct, and negligent affliction of emotional distress.

The suit alleges that Planned Parenthood had:

Multiple failures to inquire about how a thirteen-year-old girl became pregnant, or what her relationship was to the adult man who brought her [in] for an abortion, despite numerous opportunities to speak to the girl alone; their failures to report known or suspected sexual abuse despite numerous indications that the man had sexually abused the girl; and administration of a long-term and undetectable form of birth control to the girl despite her fear of needles, all of which enabled the man to continue his years of sexual abuse of the girl without discovery or consequence.

According to the suit, Smith's 13-year-old daughter, R.Z., filled out some of the paperwork at the clinic, but her stepfather, Timothy David Smith, filled out the rest and took the liberty of writing himself in as her "father." However, throughout the appointment, R.Z. referred to him as "Tim" and not "dad."

The Planned Parenthood workers allegedly talked to R.Z. and Smith about birth control, and Smith recommended an injection so that R.Z.'s mother would not discover she was on birth control. R.Z. didn't like shots, so she refused at first but Smith directed her to agree to the injection. According to the suit, some or all of the workers were present for "a portion of this conversation, but did not question R.Z. regarding the situation or potential sexual abuse."

The lawsuit includes horrific and heartbreaking details: The mother was never contacted about the abortion. During the abortion, the girl's rapist left to get lunch and R.Z. was left alone. When R.Z. was released from recovery, Planned Parenthood allowed her to locate him in the parking lot. Apparently, Smith began abusing her sexually at six-years-old and the child did not realize his actions were criminal.

Although Colorado law requires health workers to notify authorities of suspected child sex abuse, the suit says that no one told the authorities - or the girl's mother. The abuse continued.

R.Z.'s mother did not learn of the secret abortion or birth control injection until after R.Z. told her mother about the abuse two months later. Her mother then had R.Z. rushed to the hospital, and reported the suspected abuse to authorities.

It wasn't until the mother contacted Planned Parenthood for the medical records that she found out about the secret abortion.

The stepfather, Timothy Smith, was subsequently arrested and charged with several felony counts related to his sexual abuse of R.Z. He pled guilty to two counts.

Planned Parenthood is the country's largest abortion provider, and made $1.21 billion in fiscal year 2013.

http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbara-boland/lawsuit-after-abortion-planned-parenthood-returns-13-year-old-father-who?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Marketing&utm_term=Facebook&utm_content=Facebook&utm_campaign=B-PlannedParenthood-RapeVictim


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on April 27, 2015, 11:29:06 AM
Jeb Bush Adviser Says Governor Backs Defunding Planned Parenthood
Posted: 04/27/2015

WASHINGTON -- Jeb Bush supports efforts to defund Planned Parenthood, according to one of his senior advisers.

Jordan Sekulow is a prominent Christian evangelical attorney and joined the former Florida governor's team last month as a senior adviser. He spoke Saturday at the Faith and Freedom Summit in Iowa, where nine presidential hopefuls appealed to the group of conservatives in attendance. Bush, who is exploring a run and widely expected to jump into the field, skipped the event and sent Sekulow in his stead.

"We have got to defund Planned Parenthood, by the way, and Gov. Bush supports those efforts," said Sekulow to applause from the crowd.

Generally, legislation targeting Planned Parenthood prevents federal money from going to the family planning provider's clinics until it can certify that it no longer offers abortions -- even though Planned Parenthood only uses federal money for non-abortion services.

Bush's position puts him in line with other Republican presidential aspirants who have also supported defunding the group, including Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.).

But it's out of line with where his father was as president. George H.W. Bush backed the group, and according to Gloria Feldt, who ran Planned Parenthood from 1996 to 2005, "was so supportive of family planning that people called him 'Rubbers.'"

Jeb Bush's spokesman did not return a request for comment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/27/jeb-bush-planned-parenthood_n_7152524.html


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 15, 2015, 09:59:48 AM
SHOCK VIDEO: Planned Parenthood sells dead baby body parts
By Todd Starnes
Published July 14, 2015
FoxNews.com

It purportedly shows a Planned Parenthood executive sipping a glass of wine in a Los Angeles restaurant while casually explaining how they sell body parts from aborted babies.

The undercover video was filmed in July 2014 by the Center for Medical Progress, an advocacy group that reports on medical ethics. They dispatched two actors posing as representatives of a human biologics company to a business lunch with Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood’s senior director of medical services.

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The video shows Nucatola describing in graphic detail how abortionists are able to harvest organs from aborted babies based on the parts that are needed.

“Yesterday was the first time she said people wanted lungs,” she told the undercover buyers. “Some people want lower extremities, too, which, that’s simple. That’s easy. I don’t know what they’re doing with it, I guess if they want muscle.”

To which one of the fake buyer’s replied, “Yeah - a dime a dozen.”

“I’d say a lot of people want liver,” Nucatola said. “And for that reason, most providers will do this case under ultrasound guidance, so they’ll know where they’re putting their forceps.”

She went on to describe how they are able to acquire other organs without “crushing” them.

“We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.”

Understand this – she is talking about an unborn baby, folks.

Planned Parenthood issued a statement denying they’ve done anything wrong and accused the Center for Medical Progress of releasing a heavily edited video.

“A well funded group established for the purpose of damaging Planned Parenthood’s mission and services has promoted a heavily edited, secretly recorded videotape that falsely portrays Planned Parenthood’s participation in tissue donation programs that support lifesaving scientific research,” said spokesman Eric Ferrero in a prepared statement.

Ferrero went on to acknowledge they help patients who want to donate tissue for scientific research and they do so will the full consent from patients “and under the highest ethical and legal standards.”

Planned Parenthood denied they made any money off the sale of aborted baby parts.

“There is no financial benefit for tissue donation for either the patient or for Planned Parenthood,” Ferrero said. “In some instances, actual costs, such as the cost to transport tissue to leading research centers, are reimbursed, which is standard across the medical field.”

David Daledien, lead the undercover project against Planned Parenthood – a nearly three-year-long investigation on illegal trafficking of aborted fetal parts.

“Planned Parenthood’s criminal conspiracy to make money off of aborted baby parts reaches to the very highest levels of their organization,” he said. “Elected officials must listen to the public outcry for Planned Parenthood to be held accountable to the law and for our tax dollars to stop underwriting this barbaric abortion business.”

The Center for Medical Progress offered a swift refutation to Planned Parenthood’s response – by posting the full and unedited video. 

They also posted an advertisement from a major purchaser of aborted fetal tissue that was posted in Planned Parenthood clinics. That advertisement mentions words like “financial profitable,” “financial profits,” “financial benefit to your clinic,” and “fiscal growth of your own clinic.”

Planned Parenthood did not return calls seeking comment on those allegations.

Meanwhile, the outrage over the horrific video has spread like wildfire.

Dr. Russell Moore, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, summed it up in one word – speechless.

“If this does not shock the conscience, what will?” Moore wrote online. ‘It is not only that infants, in their mother’s wombs, are deprived of their lives, but also that their corpses are desecrated for profit.”

Think about that for a moment – desecrated unborn babies for profit.

“This is not only murderous; it is murderous in the most ghoulish way imaginable,” Moore added.

Moore is calling on Congress and the Department of Justice to investigate.

“For years, many of us have called on government leaders to see to it that no taxpayer funds, of any kind, go to Planned Parenthood,” Moore wrote. “Is it not clear that these are not health-care providers but pirates and grave-robbers of those who have no graves?”

La. Gov. Bobby Jindal has already called on the state’s Dept. of Health and Hospitals to conduct an investigation of what he called “this alleged evil and illegal activity.”

GOP presidential candidate Carly Fiorina posted a Facebook message calling the video tragic and outrageous.

“This isn’t about ‘choice’,” she wrote. “It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment.”

"Beyond disturbing," is what Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) tweeted.

I do not believe my words can match the eloquence of Dr. Moore’s. We ask God to bless America – a nation that turns a blind eye to  the slaughter of unborn children – a nation that provides taxpayers to fund an organization that allegedly sells body parts from dead babies.

God bless America? Perhaps we should be asking for His mercy, instead.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/14/shock-video-planned-parenthood-sells-dead-baby-body-parts/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 15, 2015, 10:36:39 AM
Planned Parenthood facing investigations over ‘abhorrent’ video on body part shipments
By Barnini Chakraborty
Published July 15, 2015
FoxNews.com

A shocking video showing a top Planned Parenthood official casually discussing the shipment of aborted fetus body parts to research labs is fueling calls in Washington and state capitals for investigations and hearings. 

The video, shot last July, was released by the Center for Medical Progress on Tuesday. It shows two undercover CMP activists posing as employees from a biotech company having lunch with Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood's senior director of medical research, and chatting about which body parts are in demand.

Calls on Capitol Hill for hearings were swift.

"Nothing is more precious than life, especially an unborn child," House Speaker John Boehner said in a statement. "When anyone diminishes an unborn child, we are all hurt, irreversibly so. When an organization monetizes an unborn child -- and with the cavalier attitude portrayed in this horrific video -- we must all act.  As a start, I have asked our relevant committees to look into this matter."

Boehner also urged President Obama to "denounce, and stop, these gruesome practices."

Pro-life members of the House plan to hold a press conference Wednesday afternoon and likewise back congressional hearings on the matter. Already, the House Energy and Commerce Committee has announced an investigation.

"This video is abhorrent and rips at the heart. The committee will get to the bottom of this appalling situation," Chairman Fred Upton, R-Mich., and other committee leaders said in a statement.

And in Louisiana, Gov. Bobby Jindal, a presidential candidate, announced he was ordering an investigation as well as calling for a suspension of the group's license in the near-term.

It is illegal to sell fetus body parts, but Planned Parenthood maintains the discussions shown in the undercover video only pertain to donations they make to researchers, for which they say they only recoup shipping costs.

But the video threatens to reignite a debate not only over Planned Parenthood's federal funding, but also the use of fetal tissue harvested through abortions for research and a proposed 20-week abortion ban.

In the video, Nucatola is seen and heard discussing Planned Parenthood's policy of donating fetal tissue to researchers. The activists ask Nucatola whether clinics charge for the organs, which she skirts around.

The language is graphic.

"Yesterday was the first time she said people wanted lungs," she says. "Some people want lower extremities, too, which, that's simple. That's easy. I don't know what they're doing with it, I guess if they want muscle."

She described how they are able to get other organs without "crushing" them. "We've been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I'm not gonna crush that part, I'm gonna basically crush below, I'm gonna crush above, and I'm gonna see if I can get it all intact."

The California-based citizen's group claims the nearly nine-minute video shot on July 25, 2014, is proof Planned Parenthood is breaking the law by selling aborted baby organs for possible profit.

Jindal was among several 2016 candidates who weighed in, and among five attending the Right to Life Convention in New Orleans. "If the Republican Party can't turn defending innocent human life into a winning issue nationally, we should fold up the Republican Party and start all over again," he said.

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, called the video "absolutely horrifying and disgusting." As governor of Wisconsin, Walker signed off on legislation that defunded Planned Parenthood in 2011.

But the group still gets millions of dollars in federal funding, with restrictions barring the money from being used for abortions. On Capitol Hill Wednesday, protesters urged Congress to strip that money. And 2016 Republican candidate Ben Carson, in a written statement, urged the same.

But Planned Parenthood called claims they profited off abortions a "gross mischaracterization" of the organization's work.

With a patient's permission, Planned Parenthood said, clinics may sometimes donate fetal tissue for use in stem cell research, but the group added that their affiliates, which operate independently, do not profit from donations.

"There is no financial benefit for tissue donation for either the patient or for Planned Parenthood," Eric Ferrero, the organization's vice president of communications, said in a written statement. "In some instances, actual costs, such as the cost to transport tissue to leading research centers, are reimbursed which is standard across the medical field."

Critics say the leaked video suggests otherwise.

"It is stomach-churning to hear a top doctor for the national Planned Parenthood organization admit, on videotape, that Planned Parenthood abortionists can and will alter late abortion procedures to facilitate the harvesting of intact baby body parts - she specifically mentioned hearts, lungs, livers, even intact heads -- in order to fill specific pre-orders," National Right to Life President Carol Tobias told FoxNews.com. "Numerous statements by Dr. Nucatola cry out for probes by Congress and other investigatory agencies -- and quickly."

In a separate statement released Wednesday afternoon following calls for an investigation, Ferrero said, "These outrageous claims are flat-out untrue, but that doesn't matter to politicians with a longstanding political agenda to ban abortion and defund Planned Parenthood."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/15/planned-parenthood-facing-investigations-over-abhorrent-video-on-body-part/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on July 15, 2015, 11:00:54 AM
Planned Parenthood facing investigations over ‘abhorrent’ video on body part shipments
By Barnini Chakraborty
Published July 15, 2015
FoxNews.com

A shocking video showing a top Planned Parenthood official casually discussing the shipment of aborted fetus body parts to research labs is fueling calls in Washington and state capitals for investigations and hearings. 

The video, shot last July, was released by the Center for Medical Progress on Tuesday. It shows two undercover CMP activists posing as employees from a biotech company having lunch with Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood's senior director of medical research, and chatting about which body parts are in demand.

Calls on Capitol Hill for hearings were swift.

"Nothing is more precious than life, especially an unborn child," House Speaker John Boehner said in a statement. "When anyone diminishes an unborn child, we are all hurt, irreversibly so. When an organization monetizes an unborn child -- and with the cavalier attitude portrayed in this horrific video -- we must all act.  As a start, I have asked our relevant committees to look into this matter."

Boehner also urged President Obama to "denounce, and stop, these gruesome practices."

Pro-life members of the House plan to hold a press conference Wednesday afternoon and likewise back congressional hearings on the matter. Already, the House Energy and Commerce Committee has announced an investigation.

"This video is abhorrent and rips at the heart. The committee will get to the bottom of this appalling situation," Chairman Fred Upton, R-Mich., and other committee leaders said in a statement.

And in Louisiana, Gov. Bobby Jindal, a presidential candidate, announced he was ordering an investigation as well as calling for a suspension of the group's license in the near-term.

It is illegal to sell fetus body parts, but Planned Parenthood maintains the discussions shown in the undercover video only pertain to donations they make to researchers, for which they say they only recoup shipping costs.

But the video threatens to reignite a debate not only over Planned Parenthood's federal funding, but also the use of fetal tissue harvested through abortions for research and a proposed 20-week abortion ban.

In the video, Nucatola is seen and heard discussing Planned Parenthood's policy of donating fetal tissue to researchers. The activists ask Nucatola whether clinics charge for the organs, which she skirts around.

The language is graphic.

"Yesterday was the first time she said people wanted lungs," she says. "Some people want lower extremities, too, which, that's simple. That's easy. I don't know what they're doing with it, I guess if they want muscle."

She described how they are able to get other organs without "crushing" them. "We've been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I'm not gonna crush that part, I'm gonna basically crush below, I'm gonna crush above, and I'm gonna see if I can get it all intact."

The California-based citizen's group claims the nearly nine-minute video shot on July 25, 2014, is proof Planned Parenthood is breaking the law by selling aborted baby organs for possible profit.

Jindal was among several 2016 candidates who weighed in, and among five attending the Right to Life Convention in New Orleans. "If the Republican Party can't turn defending innocent human life into a winning issue nationally, we should fold up the Republican Party and start all over again," he said.

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, called the video "absolutely horrifying and disgusting." As governor of Wisconsin, Walker signed off on legislation that defunded Planned Parenthood in 2011.

But the group still gets millions of dollars in federal funding, with restrictions barring the money from being used for abortions. On Capitol Hill Wednesday, protesters urged Congress to strip that money. And 2016 Republican candidate Ben Carson, in a written statement, urged the same.

But Planned Parenthood called claims they profited off abortions a "gross mischaracterization" of the organization's work.

With a patient's permission, Planned Parenthood said, clinics may sometimes donate fetal tissue for use in stem cell research, but the group added that their affiliates, which operate independently, do not profit from donations.

"There is no financial benefit for tissue donation for either the patient or for Planned Parenthood," Eric Ferrero, the organization's vice president of communications, said in a written statement. "In some instances, actual costs, such as the cost to transport tissue to leading research centers, are reimbursed which is standard across the medical field."

Critics say the leaked video suggests otherwise.

"It is stomach-churning to hear a top doctor for the national Planned Parenthood organization admit, on videotape, that Planned Parenthood abortionists can and will alter late abortion procedures to facilitate the harvesting of intact baby body parts - she specifically mentioned hearts, lungs, livers, even intact heads -- in order to fill specific pre-orders," National Right to Life President Carol Tobias told FoxNews.com. "Numerous statements by Dr. Nucatola cry out for probes by Congress and other investigatory agencies -- and quickly."

In a separate statement released Wednesday afternoon following calls for an investigation, Ferrero said, "These outrageous claims are flat-out untrue, but that doesn't matter to politicians with a longstanding political agenda to ban abortion and defund Planned Parenthood."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/15/planned-parenthood-facing-investigations-over-abhorrent-video-on-body-part/


They don't sell bodypart.  They donate organs and tissues to other medical facilities to save lives.  I saw the video and it was so edited to the point of complete bullshit


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 15, 2015, 11:31:52 AM

They don't sell bodypart.  They donate organs and tissues to other medical facilities to save lives.  I saw the video and it was so edited to the point of complete bullshit

I watched the video.  Difficult to watch.  Talk about macabre.  Yes, they are selling body parts. 

I don't like all the background music in these kinds of videos, but no question that what they exposed is disturbing and probably illegal. 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on July 15, 2015, 11:59:31 AM
I watched the video.  Difficult to watch.  Talk about macabre.  Yes, they are selling body parts. 

I don't like all the background music in these kinds of videos, but no question that what they exposed is disturbing and probably illegal. 

LOL

Stay Ignorant Ponyboy

Don't click this link and don't read the article

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/15/health/planned-parenthood-undercover-video/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Skip8282 on July 15, 2015, 04:56:48 PM


Guess we could back the 1700's or so and have doctors secretly dig up graves to advance medicine.




Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 16, 2015, 12:27:05 PM
2016 candidates blast Planned Parenthood over video
Published July 15, 2015
FoxNews.com

Republican presidential candidates blasted Planned Parenthood on Wednesday after an undercover video was released showing an official discussing the shipment of fetus body parts.

Here's what they say:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/15/2016-candidates-blast-planned-parenthood-over-video/?intcmp=latestnews


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: George Whorewell on July 17, 2015, 06:51:38 PM
People act like this is big news.

You never hear about this leftist media darling anymore=

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2295976/Kermit-Gosnell-House-horrors-abortion-clinic-worker-testifies-capital-murder-trial-killed-10-infants-delivered-late-term-abortion-snipping-NECKS.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2295976/Kermit-Gosnell-House-horrors-abortion-clinic-worker-testifies-capital-murder-trial-killed-10-infants-delivered-late-term-abortion-snipping-NECKS.html)


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 21, 2015, 01:26:32 PM
Second video shows Planned Parenthood doc haggling over price of fetal body parts
By Cody Derespina
Published July 21, 2015
FoxNews.com

A new undercover video shows a top Planned Parenthood official discussing “less crunchy” techniques to get “whole specimens” and haggling over the price of fetus tissue sales because she wants “a Lamborghini.”

And the activist behind the sting operation says there's much more to come.

Center for Medical Progress Project Lead David Daleiden told Fox News his group has "at least 12, really solid videos" among thousands of hours of footage.

"So, we'll be doing this for the foreseeable future," Daleiden said.

The video released Tuesday morning, the second put out by CMP, features a woman identified as Dr. Mary Gatter, who was president of the Planned Parenthood Medical Directors’ Council until 2014 and now works in a leadership and advisory capacity at the local and national level of the organization. Over drinks, Gatter and the undercover activists discuss “specimen” prices, eventually settling at $100 for "intact tissue."

“I want a Lamborghini.”

- Dr. Mary Gatter, Planned Parenthood


“It’s been years since I’ve talked about compensation, so let me just figure out what others are getting,” says Gatter, during a conversation alleged to have occurred on Feb. 6. “If it’s in the ballpark then that’s fine, if it’s low we can bump it up.”

Gatter then turns to the women seated to her right, pats her on the shoulder, laughs and says, “I want a Lamborghini.” Asked to repeat the statement, Gatter replies, “I said, ‘I want a Lamborghini.’”

It is against federal law to sell fetal body parts. Planned Parenthood has maintained it donates the specimens, charging only for the expenses it incurs.

"We don't want to be in a position of being accused of selling tissue and stuff like that," Gatter says in the video. "On the other hand, there are costs associated with the use of our space, and all that kind of stuff."

Daleiden said Tuesday that he believed Planned Parenthood's activities were illegal.

"Our video evidence and the video evidence that CMP will continue to release over the coming weeks and months is prima facie evidence of criminal activity at the highest levels of Planned Parenthood," he said.

Planned Parenthood Vice President of Communications Eric Ferrero released a statement calling the video a"heavily edited" release by "activists who have been widely discredited." Ferrero said his organization could not confirm the video's authenticity.

"What we see on this tape is a woman who says 'we’re not in it for the money,' and that any money must be related to reimbursement for costs," Ferrero's statement said.

The video making the rounds Tuesday was an edited 8-minute "summary" of a much longer conversation. The full video, lasting more than an hour, has also been posted online.

"Anybody can go and, if they want to watch an hour to three hours of baby parts negotiations, they can judge for themselves if we just chose the highlights," Daleiden said.

Planned Parenthood has received nearly $46 million in federal grants in 2015, according to government records, for non-abortion-related activities. The organization has taken in more than $207 million in federal funds since 2012.

When asked on Monday if the White House would reconsider federal funding for Planned Parenthood, press secretary Josh Earnest said, “No.”

Speaker of the House John Boehner, R-Ohio, was not nearly as curt in a statement about Tuesday's video.

"This new video is as sickening, disturbing and callous as the last video," Boehner said. "It's now clear that Planned Parenthood allows this horrifying conduct to happen throughout its organization.

"Last week, I called on Congress to investigate these gruesome practices.  The Energy & Commerce and Judiciary Committees have begun immediate investigations and I look forward to their prompt and thorough action.

"President Obama still has not denounced these horrific practices.  He has a responsibility to also speak out immediately and stop these practices now."

The first shoe dropped on Planned Parenthood last week, when CMP released a video showing a top abortion doctor discussing the sale of fetal body parts while drinking wine and eating salad.

A July 20 letter sent from Planned Parenthood senior counsel Roger Evans to Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., appears to have forecast the release of Tuesday’s video.

“We don’t know what the Center will release next, but we know enough to be deeply concerned about the infiltration of Planned Parenthood and its affiliates,” Evans wrote in the letter.

Evans traced the videotaped infiltration back “nearly three years,” when Daleiden created the “phony company” Biomax Procurement Services, according to the letter.

“Biomax then embarked on a campaign of corporate espionage with Planned Parenthood and its affiliates as its target,” the letter stated.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott called for an investigation into Planned Parenthood following the release of the first video on July 14, and he released a statement Tuesday commenting on the new video.

“This latest video showing yet another Planned Parenthood senior official negotiating the price of unborn baby body parts is more than just callous and morally bereft, it may be criminal," Abbott said in a statement. "The video appears to directly contradict Planned Parenthood’s statement last week that they do not earn a profit for selling body parts. Today’s new grotesque revelations necessitate that Texas expand its investigation into this abhorrent practice.”

Father Frank Pavone of Priests For Life spoke in stark terms about Planned Parenthood Tuesday morning.

“In the light of what they do to kill children and sell their parts, it is clearly immoral to give any support or transact any business with Planned Parenthood,” Pavone told Fox News.

Tuesday’s video opens with a portion of Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards’ response to the first CMP sting video.

“I want to be really clear, the allegation that Planned Parenthood profits in any way from tissue donation is not true,” Richards says, before the video moves to the covertly recorded footage of Gatter.

The undercover activist asks Gatter what “compensation” she would expect for “intact tissue.”

“Why don’t you start by telling me what you’re used to paying?” Gatter responds.

Later, she adds, "But you know, the money is not the important thing for me. But it has to be big enough that it makes it worthwhile for me."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjCs_gvImyw

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/21/new-planned-parenthood-video-shows-top-doc-haggling-over-price-fetal-body-parts/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on July 21, 2015, 02:43:48 PM
I wonder why fundies always have to obfuscate, edit out salient facts (lying by ommission)

I wonder why they would do that.  I guess their intention must really be to mislead rather than inform

Isn't lying a sin?

Quote
At one point in the unedited video (which was also released by the group), Nucatola says: “Affiliates are not looking to make money by doing this. They’re looking to serve their patients and just make it not impact their bottom line.”
Nucatola also says, “No one’s going to see this as a money making thing.” And at another point, she says, “Our goal, like I said, is to give patients the option without impacting our bottom line. The messaging is this should not be seen as a new revenue stream, because that’s not what it is.”

Nucatola does make one statement in the unedited video that suggests to critics that some clinics would be comfortable with a payment that was slightly more than their expenses for providing the tissue. “I think for affiliates, at the end of the day, they’re a nonprofit, they just don’t want to — they want to break even. And if they can do a little better than break even, and do so in a way that seems reasonable, they’re happy to do that,” Nucatola says.
But immediately after this statement, Nucatola goes on to say: “Really their bottom line is, they want to break even. Every penny they save is just pennies they give to another patient. To provide a service the patient wouldn’t get.” Planned Parenthood told us that she may have been referring to more general operations of the clinics.

Nucatola repeatedly talks about affiliates only wanting to provide a service to their patients, who elect to donate the tissue for medical research, and not having that service impact their bottom lines. She says that it’s “not a new revenue stream the affiliates are looking at” and that “nobody should be ‘selling’ tissue. That’s just not the goal here.” She says some affiliates might donate the tissue for free.


http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/unspinning-the-planned-parenthood-video/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 21, 2015, 02:48:23 PM
Chris Christie was a Planned Parenthood donor, wasn't he?

Why yes, he admits it in his book.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/21/10-revelations-from-new-chris-christie-biography/



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 23, 2015, 09:11:20 AM
Boehner noncommittal on defunding Planned Parenthood

Speaker John Boehner twice stopped short of declaring the House would cut off all government funding to Planned Parenthood, and said he would rely on the results of a pair of congressional investigations to guide his decision.
Two videos allegedly show Planned Parenthood officials discussing sales of tissue and organs from aborted fetuses. Boehner said he would wait for the House Energy and Commerce and Judiciary committees to finish their investigations before announcing a response.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/planned-parenthood-video-john-boehner-funding-120536.html#ixzz3gjfLd7Uk


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 26, 2015, 08:14:38 AM
Boehner noncommittal on defunding Planned Parenthood

Speaker John Boehner twice stopped short of declaring the House would cut off all government funding to Planned Parenthood, and said he would rely on the results of a pair of congressional investigations to guide his decision.
Two videos allegedly show Planned Parenthood officials discussing sales of tissue and organs from aborted fetuses. Boehner said he would wait for the House Energy and Commerce and Judiciary committees to finish their investigations before announcing a response.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/planned-parenthood-video-john-boehner-funding-120536.html#ixzz3gjfLd7Uk

Looks like Hilary joins pro-PP Boehnner and PP donor Chris Christie with her own position supporting them.

Hillary Clinton Defends Embattled Planned Parenthood
(NBC News) Hillary Clinton strongly defended Planned Parenthood Thursday as the women's health organization reels from the fallout over a sting video released by anti-abortion activists earlier this month.

"For more than a century, Planned Parenthood has provided essential services for women," Clinton said while campaigning at a community college in Greenville, South Carolina. "And I think it is unfortunate that Planned Parenthood has been the object of such a concerted attack for so many years. And it's really an attack against a woman's right to chose."


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 26, 2015, 09:11:05 PM
Rand Paul plans to keep pushing to defund U.S. Planned Parenthood

Source: Yahoo! News / Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Republican presidential contender Rand Paul said on Sunday he plans to push Congress to cut federal funding for the non-profit reproductive healthcare organization Planned Parenthood in a debate over its treatment of aborted fetal tissue.

"I think the time is now to discuss whether taxpayer dollars should be going to such a gruesome procedure," Paul, a Kentucky senator, said on Fox News Sunday. "People are outraged by this and I think the American people deserve to have a vote on it."

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has started a fast-track process to bring Paul's legislation for a vote soon, McConnell's spokesman told Reuters on Sunday.

Republicans have rallied around secretly recorded videos showing Planned Parenthood officials discussing ways to perform abortions to preserve fetal tissue for research, as well as the costs involved. The videos were filmed by anti-abortion group Center for Medical Progress.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-plans-keep-pushing-defund-planned-parenthood-135834788.html


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 27, 2015, 08:29:59 AM
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No Sign That Issue of Planned Parenthood Videos Is Fading as Anger Grows
Monday, 27 Jul 2015

Two stealthily recorded videos show Planned Parenthood officials discussing how they provide aborted fetal organs for research. The videos have put the group and its Democratic allies on the defensive.

It's unclear how long the political damage may last or whether Planned Parenthood has broken federal law — as abortion foes contend.

What is clear is that Republicans and anti-abortion groups are giving no signs of letting the issue fade quickly. A look of what's happened and what may be ahead:

SO FAR

Anti-abortion activists, under the banner of the previously obscure Center for Medical Progress, released two videos secretly recorded in 2014 and 2015 by people posing as buyers of fetal tissue.

One video shows their conversation with Dr. Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood's senior director of medical services; the other is with Dr. Mary Gatter, one of the organization's medical directors.

In both videos, the Planned Parenthood officials discuss the amounts the group charges to provide the organs and the abortion procedures used to obtain the organs.

Abortion opponents say the videos show that Planned Parenthood is illegally harvesting and selling the organs. Planned Parenthood says it has done nothing wrong and that the videos were deceptively edited to support extremists' false claims.

THE POLITICAL PROBLEM

The business-like way the Planned Parenthood officials are seen discussing abortions, at times in grisly terms, has people from all camps wincing.

Planned Parenthood's president, Cecile Richards, has apologized for the "tone and statements." Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said he has seen no indication that the organization broke federal laws, but that "should be looked into." Rep. Gerald Connolly, D-Va., said Democrats will not abandon their support for women's reproductive rights, but "nor are we going to defend the indefensible."

Abortion foes view the video as a political boon.

"When the curtain is drawn aside and people get glimpse of what the argument is about, at the actual brutality of abortion, yes, it helps pro-life candidates," said Douglas Johnson, top lobbyist for the National Right to Life Committee.

Some Republicans warn against going too far by escalating the fight beyond Planned Parenthood itself. Polls show more Americans prefer abortion rights to banning abortion, and some Republicans have stumbled badly on the issue, including comments about "legitimate rape" by defeated GOP Senate candidate Rep. Todd Akin of Missouri.

"What you don't want to get into is the pro-life versus pro-choice debate," said GOP consultant Ron Bonjean. "Most Americans still mainly care about the economy, jobs and national security."

NEXT IN CONGRESS

Three congressional committees are making inquiries, including the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which wants a briefing from Nucatola.

Planned Parenthood has not said she would appear. The committee chairman, Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., said in an interview that "at the end of the day, she'll testify" — by appearing by subpoena if necessary. Hearings seem likely.

Numerous Republican lawmakers and presidential candidates say they want to eliminate Planned Parenthood's federal funding, which they have tried unsuccessfully before. That effort can fire up conservative voters and donors but stands little chance of surviving in the Senate or getting President Barack Obama's signature. The fight could get ensnared in a possible budget battle this fall that might threaten another government shutdown.

Planned Parenthood's most recent annual report says that of its $1.3 billion budget, $528 million comes from the government, though that includes some money from states.

"I look forward to anyone who wants to look into our policies and procedures." Richards said Sunday on ABC's "This Week."

PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND THE LAW

Three federal laws are most frequently mentioned in arguments over whether illegality has occurred.

One bans for-profit sales of fetal tissue, but allows the provider to recover the procedure's costs.

Nucatola and Gatter discuss potential prices for providing tissue. Nucatola mentions a range between $30 and $100 per procedure; Gatter discusses $75 but doesn't rule out $100. Both say Planned Parenthood wants to cover costs and not profit.

Another law bars providers from changing "the timing, method or procedures" of abortions to recover fetal tissue for research.

Gatter mentions a "less crunchy" technique that can increase the chances of recovering intact organs and says she would not mind asking a Planned Parenthood surgeon to consider that. "They're both totally appropriate techniques, there's no difference in pain involved," she says.

Nucatola says when a provider is attempting to recover an organ, "you're just kind of cognizant of where you put your graspers" so "you're not going to crush that part." She also says, "You should always do the procedure the same, and that's what the providers try to do."

A third law bans a procedure that opponents call "partial-birth abortion," in which a living fetus is partly extracted from the mother as it is aborted. Nucatola mentions that to avoid violating that ban, some doctors use the drug digoxin, which can be toxic to a fetus in sufficient amounts.

Separately, California's attorney general, a Democrat who plans to run for the Senate in 2016, is investigating whether the group that made the videos violated registration or reporting requirements, or broke any other state rules.

Planned Parenthood says the videos show no illegal or improper actions, and that the group does not profit by providing tissue to researchers. Anti-abortion forces seem divided: Some say the doctors' words show law-breaking; others don't go that far.

"There's smoke there," says Right to Life's Johnson, who wants the videos examined by "people with investigative authority."

"The Weekly," a publication by the anti-abortion Southern Baptist Convention, wrote recently that Planned Parenthood's practices seem "sadly and shockingly legal," and called for new laws.

Richards says fetal organ donation takes place in a handful of states and the tissue goes toward medical research.

"This is actually laudable that women and their families choose to make fetal tissue donations in order to potentially save the lives of other folks," Richards said.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on July 27, 2015, 11:35:58 AM
Yet another reason why I like living in California

It would be nice if these fundamental religous extremist turned out to have broken the law in making these videos

Once again fundies have to lie and cheat in order to further there extremist religious agenda

So far it appears that Planed Parenthood didn't break any laws at all

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California AG to review group behind Planned Parenthood videos


California Attorney General Kamala Harris announced Friday she plans to review two undercover videos released by anti-abortion activists aimed at discrediting Planned Parenthood’s procedures for providing fetal tissue to researchers to see if any law was broken in the filming.

Harris made the announcement in a letter to four Democratic members of Congress who had requested the investigation, saying she’ll use her office’s authority to regulate charity organizations to see if the organization that made the videos violated registration or reporting requirements, or broke any other rules.

"We will carefully review the allegations raised in your letter to determine whether there were any violations of California law," Harris said in the letter to four members of the U.S. House of Representatives.

She said her office will look into "allegations that individuals impersonated corporate officials from a fake biologics company, resulting in the release of secretly filmed videos of Planned Parenthood physicians without their consent."


Harris, a Democrat, plans to run for the U.S. Senate in 2016.

The videos show Dr. Mary Gatter, a Planned Parenthood medical director in Southern California, meeting with people posing as possible buyers of intact fetal specimens. The conversation is centered of the cost of the specimens.

David Daleiden of the Center for Medical Progress, the group that released the videos, contends it follows all applicable laws when making videos that he called investigative journalism.

He said in a statement that Planned Parenthood is "trying to use the power of their political cronies to shut down free speech" and to "silence the freedom of the press."

The videos have shined the spotlight on Planned Parenthood’s policies on aborted fetuses by three Republican-led congressional committees and three states.

Federal law prohibits the commercial sale of fetal tissue, but it allows the not-for-profit donation of tissue if the women who underwent abortions give their consent. Planned Parenthood says the payments discussed in the videos pertain to reimbursement for the costs of procuring the tissue — which is legal.

Gatter says in the second video, which was released on Tuesday a week after the first, that "We're not in it for the money," while also discussing whether a payment of $100 per fetal specimen would be adequate.

Planned Parenthood spokesman Eric Ferrero said in a statement after the release of the second video that the organization behind the videos "is a group of extremists who have intimidated women and doctors for years in their agenda to ban abortion completely."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/25/california-will-review-videos-targeting-planned-parenthood/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 28, 2015, 08:51:12 AM
Technician details harvesting fetal parts for Planned Parenthood in latest video
Published July 28, 2015
FoxNews.com

A technician who said she worked for a company that partnered with Planned Parenthood to harvest fetal tissue said there’s “incentive to try and get the hard stuff ‘cause you’re going to get more money,” in the latest undercover video targeting Planned Parenthood.

“For whatever we could procure, they would get a certain percentage,” said Holly O’Donnell, identified as an ex-procurement technician for StemExpress, a Placerville, Calif., company. “The main nurse was always trying to make sure we got our specimens. No one else really cared, but the main nurse did because she knew that Planned Parenthood was getting compensated.”

GRAPHIC CONTENT WARNING: Click to see latest undercover Planned Parenthood video

The new, graphic video from the Center for Medical Progress appears to show technicians using tweezers to pick through aborted fetal tissue for baby parts. After one person in the video picks out a pair of intact kidneys someone off-camera laughs and says, “Five stars!”

O’Donnell said she fainted the first time she was part of this process and was told by someone in the room, “some of us don’t ever get over it.”

“If you can somehow procure a brain or a heart you’re going to get more money than just Chorionic villi or umbilical cord.”

- Holly O'Donnell
O'Donnell said she worked for six months identifying pregnant women at Planned Parenthood who met the standards for fetal tissue orders and then helped to harvest fetal body parts after abortions at Planned Parenthood facilities.

StemExpress “supplies human blood, tissue products, primary cells and other clinical specimens to biomedical researchers around the world,” according to its website.

O’Donnell describes the company a different way.

Holly O’Donnell says she worked for six months for a company that procured tissue and organs for Planned Parenthood, which then presumably shipped them to research labs. (Screengrab, Center for Medical Progress video)

“StemExpress is a company that hires procurement techs to draw blood and dissect dead fetuses and sell the parts to researchers,” she said. “They’ve partnered with Planned Parenthood and they get part of the money because we pay them to use their facilities. And they get paid from it. They do get some kind of benefit.”

Planned Parenthood has denied selling fetal tissue for a profit, which is against federal law.

“If you can somehow procure a brain or a heart you’re going to get more money than just Chorionic villi or umbilical cord,” O’Donnell said.

In the latest video, the undercover team cites this fee schedule, which it says contains prices a lab will pay for fetal tissue and organs. (Screengrab, Center for Medical Progress)

The video is the third to be released by the Center for Medical Progress. Like the first two, it contains undercover video of Planned Parenthood officials and associates, but is heavily reliant on an interview with O’Donnell.

Previous videos show Dr. Mary Gatter, a Planned Parenthood medical director in Southern California, meeting with people posing as buyers of fetal specimens. The conversation focuses on how much money the buyers should pay, although Planned Parenthood insists that it only sought to cover its expenses. The videos have brought investigations of Planned Parenthood's policies on aborted fetuses by three Republican-led congressional committees and three states.

Federal law prohibits the commercial sale of fetal tissue, but it allows the not-for-profit donation of tissue if the women who underwent abortions give their consent. Planned Parenthood says the payments discussed in the videos pertain to reimbursement for the costs of procuring the tissue -- which is legal.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/28/new-planned-parenthood-video-focuses-on-payment-for-fetal-tissue/?intcmp=hpbt1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw2xi9mhmuo


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on July 28, 2015, 08:54:54 AM
Rand wants to defund them.  The GOP idiots that control the house and senate are trying to stop him.

tough to blame the libs when the GOP owns both hosue and senate.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 29, 2015, 11:51:13 AM
 :o

Hillary Clinton Calls Planned Parenthood Videos ‘Disturbing’
Jul 29, 2015
By LIZ KREUTZ

Hillary Clinton has staunchly defended Planned Parenthood in the wake of recently released videos that an anti-abortion group claims to show employees with the organization discussing the sale of aborted fetal tissue.

But, in a new interview, she calls the graphic videos “disturbing” and says there should be a national investigation into that practice.

“I have seen pictures from them and obviously find them disturbing,” the Democratic presidential candidate told the New Hampshire Union Leader on Tuesday in regards to the videos, which were released by the anti-abortion group Center for Medical Progress. “Planned Parenthood is answering questions and will continue to answer questions.”

Clinton, however, did not waiver in her overall support of the organization, and said there are two points to make: “One, Planned Parenthood for more than a century has done a lot of really good work for women: cancer screenings, family planning, all kinds of health services. And this raises not questions about Planned Parenthood so much as it raises questions about the whole process, that is, not just involving Planned Parenthood, but many institutions in our country.”

Clinton added that if there’s going to be a congressional inquiry into the videos, “it should look at everything,” and not just one organization.

Clinton made the remark on the same day the Center for Medical Progress released a third video which it says shows the harvesting of fetal tissue, as well as current and former Planned Parenthood employees discussing the procedures and pricing.

Several Republicans -- including many GOP presidential candidates -- have cited these videos as a reason why Planned Parenthood should lose federal funding. And Republican presidential candidate Rand Paul has called for Clinton to return the group’s donations to her campaign.

In response to the claims of illegal behavior in the video, Planned Parenthood has asserted that all of its actions are legal as well as ethical.

In addition, the organization said the video was “heavily edited,” stating that “similar false accusations have been put forth by opponents of abortion services for decades.” “Planned Parenthood has broken no laws," Cecile Richards, the president of the non-profit, said on ABC News’ "This Week." "We have the highest standards. The care and health care and safety of our patients is our most important priority."

Clinton, who is pro-choice, has vowed to defend Planned Parenthood over the weekend, even adding in a new line to her campaign stump speech.

“I will defend a woman’s right to choose,” Clinton said in Iowa and New Hampshire this week, “and I will defend Planned Parenthood."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-calls-planned-parenthood-videos-disturbing/story?id=32757475


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on July 29, 2015, 12:10:13 PM
I just don't get this issue at all.  why is it illegal to sell the fetal parts in the first place?  and if we don't consider it a life, what the fuck does anyone care what we do with the parts?  

I think these types of stories just go to show how full of shit pro choice people are about the abortion issue.

the other kind of story that points to the pro choice side just being utterly confused is the pregnant woman being killed and the murderer being charged with double murder.  I always found that quite amusing.

basically it's a life if the mother wants it to be.  NOW THAT'S FUCKING SCIENCE!!!!!

and why does Hillary find this disturbing? 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 29, 2015, 12:35:59 PM
I just don't get this issue at all.  why is it illegal to sell the fetal parts in the first place?  and if we don't consider it a life, what the fuck does anyone care what we do with the parts?  

I think these types of stories just go to show how full of shit pro choice people are about the abortion issue.

the other kind of story that points to the pro choice side just being utterly confused is the pregnant woman being killed and the murderer being charged with double murder.  I always found that quite amusing.

basically it's a life if the mother wants it to be.  NOW THAT'S FUCKING SCIENCE!!!!!

and why does Hillary find this disturbing?  

Good points.  I don't think Planned Parenthood and others who support them consider unborn children to be human, so they're not really concerned about what happens with body parts.  They simply don't want to get caught breaking the law.  That's the only reason they "care."  


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on July 29, 2015, 01:12:44 PM
Good points.  I don't think Planned Parenthood and others who support them consider unborn children to be human, so they're not really concerned about what happens with body parts.  They simply don't want to get caught breaking the law.  That's the only reason they "care."  

right but then it begs the question.  why did Hillary say this was "disturbing"?  what's disturbing?  those are the fucking body parts and they want to make money off of them.  what's the fucking problem?  I still need an answer on why this is illegal in the first place.

the real problem is this.  if we are not going to consider them a life the mother should have all rights to the parts and be able to sell them herself.  it's her body.  she should pay the fee for the abortion doctor to make sure he just smashes the skull to kill the baby and be given the body parts to do what she wants with them.  maybe she wants to make soup and sell it.  who gives a fuck?

great way for pro choice women to make money in my opinion.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 29, 2015, 01:25:31 PM
right but then it begs the question.  why did Hillary say this was "disturbing"?  what's disturbing?  those are the fucking body parts and they want to make money off of them.  what's the fucking problem?  I still need an answer on why this is illegal in the first place.

the real problem is this.  if we are not going to consider them a life the mother should have all rights to the parts and be able to sell them herself.  it's her body.  she should pay the fee for the abortion doctor to make sure he just smashes the skull to kill the baby and be given the body parts to do what she wants with them.  maybe she wants to make soup and sell it.  who gives a fuck?

great way for pro choice women to make money in my opinion.

I doubt Hillary is actually disturbed.  She is saying what she needs to say. 

I'm not sure what the stated purpose of the law is (haven't read it). 

Your problem is you're trying to inject logic into this whole thing.  You are correct that if an unborn child is not actually a human being, then it really shouldn't matter what happens with the body parts after the baby is killed.  You won't really hear pro abortion people say that.  Except when caught on a hidden camera . . . .


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on July 29, 2015, 05:14:56 PM
right but then it begs the question.  why did Hillary say this was "disturbing"?  what's disturbing?  those are the fucking body parts and they want to make money off of them.  what's the fucking problem?  I still need an answer on why this is illegal in the first place.

the real problem is this.  if we are not going to consider them a life the mother should have all rights to the parts and be able to sell them herself.  it's her body.  she should pay the fee for the abortion doctor to make sure he just smashes the skull to kill the baby and be given the body parts to do what she wants with them.  maybe she wants to make soup and sell it.  who gives a fuck?

great way for pro choice women to make money in my opinion.

I'm guessing you meant to write getting reimbursed for costs which is PERFECTLY LEGAL


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 30, 2015, 08:53:38 AM
Call it 'research,' not 'business,' Planned Parenthood doc says in latest sting video
Published July 30, 2015
FoxNews.com
(http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/876/493/CMP730.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
A woman identified as Dr. Savita Ginde talks with undercover activists in the latest video targeting Planned Parenthood. (Center for Medical Progress)

A Colorado Planned Parenthood doctor stresses calling the harvesting of fetal tissue "research" and not "business" -- and casually pokes around in a petri dish of aborted remains as a colleague exclaims, "Another boy!" -- in the latest video released Thursday by an activist group whose hidden camera stings have imperiled the embattled nonprofit's taxpayer funding.

The video’s release by the Center for Medical Progress comes a day after CMP was issued a restraining order preventing it from issuing any new footage of a group that worked with Planned Parenthood, StemExpress. But Thursday’s material focuses almost entirely on a woman identified as Dr. Savita Ginde, the vice president and medical director of Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains.

"A lot of times, especially with the second [trimester fetuses], we won’t even put water, because it’s so big you can put your hand in there and pick out the parts.”

- Dr. Savita Ginde
GRAPHIC CONTENT WARNING: Click here to see the latest Planned Parenthood video

Ginde is shown for the majority of the edited video having a discussion about whether to frame tissue procurement as research or business with the undercover activists, whom she believes to be from a procurement company. It is against federal law to sell fetal body parts for profit.

“Putting it under the research gives us a little bit of a, a little sort of overhang over the whole thing,” Ginde said. “Yeah, and in public I think it makes a lot more sense for it to be in the research vein than I’d say the business vein.”

Ginde says in the video that it’s important for all Planned Parenthood affiliates to be on the same page about the issue, particularly those affiliates who may be in states where prevailing public opinion goes against abortion.

“Because if you have someone in a really anti-state that’s going to be doing this for you, they’re probably going to get caught,” she said.

During the conversation, Ginde is asked if she ever gets intact specimens.

“Sometimes, if we get, if someone delivers before we get to see them for a procedure, then we are intact,” she said.

CMP alleges that, since this particular Planned Parenthood affiliate does not use feticides in its second-trimester procedures, any intact deliveries prior to an abortion “are potentially born-alive infants under federal law.”

Near the end of the more than 11-minute video, Ginde digs through the remains of an 11-week-old fetus in a petri dish, showing different body parts to the undercover activist.

At one point, a sound identified as a skull cracking is heard. Later, someone in the room asks questions such as "Do they want brain?" and "Do people do stuff with eyeballs?" The activist laments that using water in the petri dish has caused some of the tissue to come apart.

“Well you know, a lot of times, especially with the second [trimester fetuses], we won’t even put water, because it’s so big you can put your hand in there and pick out the parts,” Ginde says. “So I don’t think it would be as war-torn.”

As Ginde looks over the fetal tissue she says, “It’s a baby.”

The last quote in the video comes from a medical assistant, joyfully proclaiming “And another boy!” when she realizes the sex of the fetus they are dissecting.

The video is the fourth to be released by CMP. Like the first three, it contains undercover video of Planned Parenthood officials and associates.

Previous videos show Dr. Mary Gatter, a Planned Parenthood medical director in Southern California, meeting with people posing as buyers of fetal specimens. The conversation focuses on how much money the buyers should pay, although Planned Parenthood insists that it only sought to cover its expenses. The videos have brought investigations of Planned Parenthood's policies on aborted fetuses by three Republican-led congressional committees and three states.

Federal law prohibits the commercial sale of fetal tissue, but it allows the not-for-profit donation of tissue if the women who underwent abortions give their consent. Planned Parenthood says the payments discussed in the videos pertain to reimbursement for the costs of procuring the tissue -- which is legal.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/30/call-it-research-not-business-planned-parenthood-doc-says-in-latest-sting-video/?intcmp=hpbt1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQuZMvcFA8


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 30, 2015, 08:58:59 AM
Planned Parenthood VP Says Fetuses May Come Out Intact, Agrees Payments Specific to the Specimen
July 30, 3015

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

#PPSellsBabyParts PLANNED PARENTHOOD VP SAYS FETUSES MAY COME OUT INTACT, AGREES PAYMENTS SPECIFIC TO THE SPECIMEN
Planned Parenthood Rocky Mountains VP & Medical Director Savita Ginde Discusses Contract Details, Aborted Body Parts Pricing, and How to Not “Get Caught”

Contact: David Daleiden, media@centerformedicalprogress.org, 949.734.0859

DENVER, July 30–New undercover footage shows Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains’ Vice President and Medical Director, Dr. Savita Ginde, negotiating a fetal body parts deal, agreeing multiple times to illicit pricing per body part harvested, and suggesting ways to avoid legal consequences.

Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains (PPRM) is a wealthy, multi-state Planned Parenthood affiliate that does over 10,000 abortions per year. PPRM has a contract to supply aborted fetal tissue to Colorado State University in Fort Collins.

In the video, actors posing as representatives from a human biologics company meet with Ginde at the abortion-clinic headquarters of PPRM in Denver to discuss a potential partnership to harvest fetal organs. When the actors request intact fetal specimens, Ginde reveals that in PPRM’s abortion practice, “Sometimes, if we get, if someone delivers before we get to see them for a procedure, then we are intact.”

Since PPRM does not use digoxin or other feticide in its 2nd trimester procedures, any intact deliveries before an abortion are potentially born-alive infants under federal law (1 USC 8 ).

“We’d have to do a little bit of training with the providers or something to make sure that they don’t crush” fetal organs during 2nd trimester abortions, says Ginde, brainstorming ways to ensure the abortion doctors at PPRM provide usable fetal organs.

When the buyers ask Ginde if “compensation could be specific to the specimen?” Ginde agrees, “Okay.” Later on in the abortion clinic’s pathological laboratory, standing over an aborted fetus, Ginde responds to the buyer’s suggestion of paying per body part harvested, rather than a standard flat fee for the entire case: “I think a per-item thing works a little better, just because we can see how much we can get out of it.”

The sale or purchase of human fetal tissue is a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison or a fine of up to $500,000 (42 U.S.C. 289g-2). Federal law also requires that no alteration in the timing or method of abortion be done for the purposes of fetal tissue collection (42 U.S.C. 289g-1).

Ginde also suggests ways for Planned Parenthood to cover-up its criminal and public relations liability for the sale of aborted body parts. “Putting it under ‘research’ gives us a little bit of an overhang over the whole thing,” Ginde remarks. “If you have someone in a really anti state who’s going to be doing this for you, they’re probably going to get caught.”

Ginde implies that PPRM’s lawyer, Kevin Paul, is helping the affiliate skirt under the fetal tissue law: “He’s got it figured out that he knows that even if, because we talked to him in the beginning, you know, we were like, ‘We don’t want to get called on,’ you know, ‘selling fetal parts across states.’” The buyers ask, “And you feel confident that they’re building those layers?” to which Ginde replies, “I’m confident that our Legal will make sure we’re not put in that situation.”

As the buyers and Planned Parenthood workers identify body parts from last fetus in the path lab, a Planned Parenthood medical assistant announces: “Another boy!”

The video is the latest by The Center for Medical Progress documenting Planned Parenthood’s sale of aborted fetal parts. Project Lead David Daleiden notes: “Elected officials need to listen to the public outcry for an immediate moratorium on Planned Parenthood’s taxpayer funding while the 10 state investigations and 3 Congressional committees determine the full extent of Planned Parenthood’s sale of baby parts.” Daleiden continues, “Planned Parenthood’s recent call for the NIH to convene an expert panel to ‘study’ fetal experimentation is absurd after suggestions from Planned Parenthood’s Dr. Ginde that ‘research’ can be used as a catch-all to cover-up baby parts sales. The biggest problem is bad actors like Planned Parenthood who hold themselves above the law in order to harvest and make money off of aborted fetal brains, hearts, and livers.”

http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org/2015/07/planned-parenthood-vp-says-fetuses-may-come-out-intact-agrees-payments-specific-to-the-specimen/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 30, 2015, 11:51:23 AM
GOP Lawmakers: Defund Planned Parenthood or Risk a Govt Shutdown
By Melanie Batley   
Thursday, 30 Jul 2015
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=5ec19d33-fbd5-49ae-a9ab-fe3e2a81fd16&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)

As controversy surrounding the undercover videos of Planned Parenthood continues to swirl, congressional Republicans are vowing to defund the group even if it forces a government shutdown, Politico reported.

On Wednesday, 18 House Republicans told the leadership that they "cannot and will not support any funding resolution … that contains any funding for Planned Parenthood." And social conservatives like Sens. James Lankford of Oklahoma and Jeff Sessions of Alabama have said they would potentially introduce a rider to the spending bill that would eliminate the group's $528 million public funding.

"This is one of those line-in-the-sand type of issues," South Carolina GOP Rep. Mick Mulvaney told Politico. "Every time we say we don't want to spend money on something, the answer is it will provoke a shutdown."

In the Senate, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz is leading the charge, saying next week's Senate roll call to defund the group is a "legislative show vote" and he plans to do everything possible to force the issue, not barring a government shutdown.

"I would support any and all legislative efforts to defund Planned Parenthood. We do not need a legislative show-vote."

Over the weekend, Senate conservatives attempted to attach defunding measures to the transportation bill. But they have now shifted their strategy to focus on the upcoming government spending bill, according to Politico.

Sessions said Republicans "don't need to take no for an answer" after Democrats reject the provisions to defund it next week.

"Congress doesn't have to fund any program it doesn't think is justified. How does it get to be that a minority of the Democrats can dictate that a majority party has to fund programs it doesn't believe in?" Sessions said, according to Politico. "We don't need to go at it halfheartedly."

Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul is also leading the charge to defund the pro-choice organization.

He said on Fox News' "Hannity" on Wednesday that he thinks there are 58 senators who will vote for defunding, according to Breitbart.

"I'm horrified by these videos and everybody is. When I think of ultrasound, I think of the pictures of my kids before they were born and the happiness we had," Paul said. "To imagine that doctors are using ultrasound to manipulate the body around, turn the body around to take body parts from a baby, it just — it sickens me."

He said he believes that there's at least three or four Democrats that could cross over and vote with the Republicans.

"We're going to work very hard. I think there are some pro-choice Democrats, there are many pro-choice Americans who are horrified by this. Because they don't think of abortion as turning the baby around and harvesting baby hearts, and showing kidneys and livers and lungs and hearts that are then being resold. The gruesomeness of this cannot be overstated," Paul said. "And I think we may well get some Democrats who are going to say, 'Enough's enough, we can't keep funding a group that does this.'"

Meanwhile, the group that released the three undercover videos of Planned Parenthood staff discussing the harvesting or sale of fetal tissue has said there are nine more videos set for release, the Daily Caller reported.

"We have close to 300 hours total of undercover video that was gathered during a 20-month-long, in-depth investigative journalism study of how Planned Parenthood sells the body parts of the babies they abort," David Daleiden, founder of the Center for Medical Progress, told Sean Hannity on his radio show on Tuesday.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/planned-parenthood-spending-bill-defund-gop/2015/07/30/id/659610/#ixzz3hPEv30i9


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on July 30, 2015, 01:09:58 PM
I hope the Repubs are dumb enough to shut down the governemnt over Planned Parenthood

There is nothing the voters love more than having their government shut down by idealogue republicans and  fundie religious zealots

It's always worked out great for them each time they've done it



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on July 30, 2015, 01:28:00 PM
I'm guessing you meant to write getting reimbursed for costs which is PERFECTLY LEGAL

you obviously haven't read up on this except for liberal rags.  

they are selling parts from a fetus.  the actual parts from the fetus are "donated" because the law says it's illegal to profit off of human tissue, which is ridiculous as a fetus isn't considered a human being, but whatever.  so they "donate" the fetal body parts but charge a procurement fee.  so yes they are profiting off of selling fetal bodyparts.  they're just calling the actual transfer of the fetus a "donation".  the profit is in the "procurement fee".

if you don't see through that loophole or see how this is ridiculous you're either stupid or just behaving as the good little liberal soldier that you are and denying truth because the tv tells you to.

for the record, i am of the opinion that none of it should be illegal.  if we don't consider a fetus as a human, then you should be able to sell their fucking parts.  



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on July 30, 2015, 01:45:49 PM
i honestly don't care about this issue anymore.  it's worn out.  I will teach my sons to respect life and know that if they create a life they need to protect that life.  

but I don't care how many babies OTHER people kill.  I just have bigger fish to fry.  i'll take care of mine.  you do what you want with yours.

what I do find funny is that all the shit that those "bible thumpers" back in the 1970's proclaimed the abortion industry would become before they were mocked, insulted, and laughed out of the room is all coming to fruition.  and all the liberals are simply in denial.

abortion will become a form of birth control - DONE
abortion will be used for social engineering - DONE (if you've ever made the argument that abortion has reduced crime you've hammered this one home)
abortion will be used as a tool to discriminate - everyone knows the answer to that

and some others but I have to get back to work.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on July 30, 2015, 02:47:46 PM
you obviously haven't read up on this except for liberal rags.  

they are selling parts from a fetus.  the actual parts from the fetus are "donated" because the law says it's illegal to profit off of human tissue, which is ridiculous as a fetus isn't considered a human being, but whatever.  so they "donate" the fetal body parts but charge a procurement fee.  so yes they are profiting off of selling fetal bodyparts.  they're just calling the actual transfer of the fetus a "donation".  the profit is in the "procurement fee".

if you don't see through that loophole or see how this is ridiculous you're either stupid or just behaving as the good little liberal soldier that you are and denying truth because the tv tells you to.

for the record, i am of the opinion that none of it should be illegal.  if we don't consider a fetus as a human, then you should be able to sell their fucking parts.  



feel free to post your sources just like I did on the prior page

otherwise spare me the fundie disphit propoganda


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on July 30, 2015, 08:34:49 PM
This thread is almost five years old.  So what was the outcome of this?

Preemptive claim of not being surprised.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on July 31, 2015, 07:30:46 AM
feel free to post your sources just like I did on the prior page

otherwise spare me the fundie disphit propoganda

your source says exactly what i'm saying.  

everyone understands exactly how this is working except for you apparently.

they are profiting off of fetal organs.  no one is actually denying this.  PP is just claiming that what they're doing is LEGAL because they're calling one thing a donation and one thing a procurement fee.    


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on July 31, 2015, 07:42:28 AM
I just find it hilarious how these fucking libs defend to the death an organization founded my Margaret fucking Sanger.

and then have the audacity to try and point out the hypocrisy of the religious right any chance they get.

you seriously can't make this shit up.  it just keeps getting better and better.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on July 31, 2015, 07:46:48 AM
"We're going to work very hard. I think there are some pro-choice Democrats, there are many pro-choice Americans who are horrified by this. Because they don't think of abortion as turning the baby around and harvesting baby hearts, and showing kidneys and livers and lungs and hearts that are then being resold. The gruesomeness of this cannot be overstated," Paul said. "And I think we may well get some Democrats who are going to say, 'Enough's enough, we can't keep funding a group that does this.'"


why?  it's not a fucking baby. 

i'm sorry someone please explain why they would be "horrified" by this.

why is this "gruesome"?



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on July 31, 2015, 09:06:31 AM
your source says exactly what i'm saying.  

everyone understands exactly how this is working except for you apparently.

they are profiting off of fetal organs.  no one is actually denying this.  PP is just claiming that what they're doing is LEGAL because they're calling one thing a donation and one thing a procurement fee.    

bullshit as usual

I thought you said you read the links on the prior page

Quote
The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

or how about this one from the UNEDITED video

Quote
At one point in the unedited video (which was also released by the group), Nucatola says: “Affiliates are not looking to make money by doing this. They’re looking to serve their patients and just make it not impact their bottom line.”
Nucatola also says, “No one’s going to see this as a money making thing.” And at another point, she says, “Our goal, like I said, is to give patients the option without impacting our bottom line. The messaging is this should not be seen as a new revenue stream, because that’s not what it is.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on July 31, 2015, 09:17:37 AM
bullshit as usual

I thought you said you read the links on the prior page

or how about this one from the UNEDITED video


LOL.  so a quote with a PP rep saying that it's not supposed to be a money maker satisfies you.  but a quote from a PP rep effectively saying that it is by obviously haggling over a price you just refuse to acknowledge?  

find a better fucking organization to defend dude.  



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on July 31, 2015, 09:33:10 AM
LOL.  so a quote with a PP rep saying that it's not supposed to be a money maker satisfies you.  but a quote from a PP rep saying that it is you just refuse to acknowledge?  

find a better fucking organization to defend dude.  



it absolutely satisfies me

I wonder why the fundies who made this video chose to leave it out of the "edited" video

Added to that is the fact that donation of tissue with payment to cover costs is legal

So if you choose to ignore those two facts that is your choice but don't expect others (other than fellow dipshit fundies) to buy into your willful ignorance


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 02, 2015, 03:01:09 PM
it absolutely satisfies me

I wonder why the fundies who made this video chose to leave it out of the "edited" video

Added to that is the fact that donation of tissue with payment to cover costs is legal

So if you choose to ignore those two facts that is your choice but don't expect others (other than fellow dipshit fundies) to buy into your willful ignorance

Do you have children?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 03, 2015, 07:21:26 AM
it absolutely satisfies me

I wonder why the fundies who made this video chose to leave it out of the "edited" video

Added to that is the fact that donation of tissue with payment to cover costs is legal

So if you choose to ignore those two facts that is your choice but don't expect others (other than fellow dipshit fundies) to buy into your willful ignorance

have you see the entire video?  I'm guessing no.

so if you watch that video can you tell what the cost is to cover?   it's obvious the lady doesn't have a bottom line figure for the cost.  she's obviously haggling.  she wants to make more $$. 

look you've been conditioned to defend PP to the death.  I get it. 

but watch the video in it's entirety and tell me what the cost to procure is.  if they are in fact making a point NOT to profit from this you should be able to tell me exactly what their cost to cover is.  you can't.  she would have given a hard number.  she doesn't.  and if what you're saying is true then I don't understand why you or she can't give me that figure.

and to be fair legally, they've probably done nothing wrong.

but are they profiting off selling the parts from fetuses?  Yes.  They are.  They have people to pay and budgets to meet just like anyone else.  Are they making millions and millions?  No. 

I just don't understand the worship of this organization from the liberal left.  What's scary is you simply will not accept the idea that they could overstep their bounds.  You will forgive all no matter what.  you decided that years ago. 



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 03, 2015, 08:55:44 AM
Do you have children?

No

what does that have to do with the facts of the videos?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 03, 2015, 09:06:52 AM
have you see the entire video?  I'm guessing no.

so if you watch that video can you tell what the cost is to cover?   it's obvious the lady doesn't have a bottom line figure for the cost.  she's obviously haggling.  she wants to make more $$.  

look you've been conditioned to defend PP to the death.  I get it.  

but watch the video in it's entirety and tell me what the cost to procure is.  if they are in fact making a point NOT to profit from this you should be able to tell me exactly what their cost to cover is.  you can't.  she would have given a hard number.  she doesn't.  and if what you're saying is true then I don't understand why you or she can't give me that figure.

and to be fair legally, they've probably done nothing wrong.

but are they profiting off selling the parts from fetuses?  Yes.  They are.  They have people to pay and budgets to meet just like anyone else.  Are they making millions and millions?  No.  

I just don't understand the worship of this organization from the liberal left.  What's scary is you simply will not accept the idea that they could overstep their bounds.  You will forgive all no matter what.  you decided that years ago.  



have you watched the unedited video (which is almost 3 hours long)
If so how did you miss the multiple times they said this is not a money making endeavor and that no one should construe it as such.  

If you have some proof to the contrary then stop wasting your time here and contact the authorities

If you just want to insists that your personal beliefs are contrary to what was repeatedly stated by the woman in the video that's perfectly fine but don't expect me to go along

Again, recovering the costs of donated tissue is PERFECTLY LEGAL

You seem to acknowledge this in your post but then you say they are "profiting"

I thought you were a CPA or something similar

If you have proof they are truly profiting and this is something they do to "make money" (i.e. in excess of expenses and to maximize PROFIT) then get off this board and go provide your evidence to someone who can do something about it

If not then you and agree, as you put it "they've probably done nothing illegal" (I would exclude the "probably" but I wanted to use your exact quote)

so if we put that aside then we're probably back to the starting point which I'm guessing is that you oppose abortion and I support a woman's right to choose to have an abortion



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Necrosis on August 03, 2015, 11:10:16 AM
you obviously haven't read up on this except for liberal rags.  

they are selling parts from a fetus.  the actual parts from the fetus are "donated" because the law says it's illegal to profit off of human tissue, which is ridiculous as a fetus isn't considered a human being, but whatever.  so they "donate" the fetal body parts but charge a procurement fee.  so yes they are profiting off of selling fetal bodyparts.  they're just calling the actual transfer of the fetus a "donation".  the profit is in the "procurement fee".

if you don't see through that loophole or see how this is ridiculous you're either stupid or just behaving as the good little liberal soldier that you are and denying truth because the tv tells you to.

for the record, i am of the opinion that none of it should be illegal.  if we don't consider a fetus as a human, then you should be able to sell their fucking parts.  




I approve of this post.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Necrosis on August 03, 2015, 11:11:57 AM
have you watched the unedited video (which is almost 3 hours long)
If so how did you miss the multiple times they said this is not a money making endeavor and that no one should construe it as such.  

If you have some proof to the contrary then stop wasting your time here and contact the authorities

If you just want to insists that your personal beliefs are contrary to what was repeatedly stated by the woman in the video that's perfectly fine but don't expect me to go along

Again, recovering the costs of donated tissue is PERFECTLY LEGAL

You seem to acknowledge this in your post but then you say they are "profiting"

I thought you were a CPA or something similar

If you have proof they are truly profiting and this is something they do to "make money" (i.e. in excess of expenses and to maximize PROFIT) then get off this board and go provide your evidence to someone who can do something about it

If not then you and agree, as you put it "they've probably done nothing illegal" (I would exclude the "probably" but I wanted to use your exact quote)

so if we put that aside then we're probably back to the starting point which I'm guessing is that you oppose abortion and I support a woman's right to choose to have an abortion



Also approved.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 03, 2015, 11:45:27 AM
have you watched the unedited video (which is almost 3 hours long)
If so how did you miss the multiple times they said this is not a money making endeavor and that no one should construe it as such.  

If you have some proof to the contrary then stop wasting your time here and contact the authorities

If you just want to insists that your personal beliefs are contrary to what was repeatedly stated by the woman in the video that's perfectly fine but don't expect me to go along

Again, recovering the costs of donated tissue is PERFECTLY LEGAL

You seem to acknowledge this in your post but then you say they are "profiting"

I thought you were a CPA or something similar

If you have proof they are truly profiting and this is something they do to "make money" (i.e. in excess of expenses and to maximize PROFIT) then get off this board and go provide your evidence to someone who can do something about it

If not then you and agree, as you put it "they've probably done nothing illegal" (I would exclude the "probably" but I wanted to use your exact quote)

so if we put that aside then we're probably back to the starting point which I'm guessing is that you oppose abortion and I support a woman's right to choose to have an abortion



yes she says what she's supposed to say.

if what you're saying is true you could (because she would have said) tell me what their cost to cover is.  you can't.  we would have learned what their cost to cover is.   

that's the argument from all the watch dogs.  she obviously doesn't have a fixed price for what they do.  and you don't need to be a CPA to gather that from that video.  anyone with half a brain would tell that it's fishy.

i'm not saying that this is a huge deal.  all i'm saying is when I see that video, something kind of stinks. 

but you're a good lil soldier and you will defend them to the death.....no matter what.  ANY oversight is unfair, racist, and evil.  we get it.

but i'm sure you defend all non profits with the same vitriol as them.  i'm sure it has nothing to with them being the largest abortion provider in the US.




Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 03, 2015, 01:09:29 PM
yes she says what she's supposed to say.

if what you're saying is true you could (because she would have said) tell me what their cost to cover is.  you can't.  we would have learned what their cost to cover is.[/b]  

that's the argument from all the watch dogs.  she obviously doesn't have a fixed price for what they do.  and you don't need to be a CPA to gather that from that video.  anyone with half a brain would tell that it's fishy.

i'm not saying that this is a huge deal.  all i'm saying is when I see that video, something kind of stinks.  

but you're a good lil soldier and you will defend them to the death.....no matter what.  ANY oversight is unfair, racist, and evil.  we get it.

but i'm sure you defend all non profits with the same vitriol as them.  i'm sure it has nothing to with them being the largest abortion provider in the US.



Again, if you believe this is a profit center for them you must have some personal knowledge of this other than your gut and your belief that Jesus is against abortion

I assume since you claim there are no costs to be covered that you have some kind of reference to proof of this (link please) or some personal expertise in this area

if not, then again you're simply suggesting that I must just agree with your personal ignorance on the subject and contrary to the opinions of actual experts on the subject of the costs associated with the procurement and handling of medical specimens.

again, these are all from links on the prior page.  Please go read them before you ask me to respond again

sorry for the large bold print but it seems like you're either just not reading the info I've provided or choosing to ignore it


Quote

Four experts in the field of human tissue procurement told us the price range discussed in the video — $30 to $100 per patient — represents a reasonable fee. “There’s no way there’s a profit at that price,” said Sherilyn J. Sawyer, the director of Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s “biorepository.”

Nucatola’s comment, though, isn’t evidence that Planned Parenthood or its affiliates are selling “body parts” or fetal tissue for profit. The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues. Nucatola talks about “space issues” and whether shipping would be involved.

We also asked experts in the use of human tissue for research about the potential for profit. Sherilyn J. Sawyer, the director of Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s “biorepository,” told us that “there’s no way there’s a profit at that price.”She continued in an email:

Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee.

Jim Vaught, president of the International Society for Biological and Environmental Repositories and formerly the deputy director of the National Cancer Institute’s Office of Biorepositories and Biospecimen Research, told us in an email that “$30 to $100 per sample is a reasonable charge for clinical operations to recover their costs for providing tissue.” In fact, he said, the costs to a clinic are often much higher, but most operations that provide this kind of tissue have “no intention of fully recovering [their] costs, much less making a profit.”

Carolyn Compton, the chief medical and science officer of Arizona State University’s National Biomarkers Development Alliance and a former director of biorepositories and biospecimen research at the National Cancer Institute, agreed that this was “a modest price tag for cost recovery.” Compton told us in an email: ” ‘Profit’ is out of the question, in my mind. I would say that whoever opined about ‘profit’ knows very little about the effort and expense involved in providing human biospecimens for research purposes.”


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 03, 2015, 01:39:06 PM


Again, if you believe this is a profit center for them you must have some personal knowledge of this other than your gut and your belief that Jesus is against abortion

I assume since you claim there are no costs to be covered that you have some kind of reference to proof of this (link please) or some personal expertise in this area

if not, then again you're simply suggesting that I must just agree with your personal ignorance on the subject and contrary to the opinions of actual experts on the subject of the costs associated with the procurement and handling of medical specimens.

again, these are all from links on the prior page.  Please go read them before you ask me to respond again

sorry for the large bold print but it seems like you're either just not reading the info I've provided or choosing to ignore it



I'm not claiming that they are or they aren't.  but the rhetoric in that video I believe should raise some eyebrows. 

I'm assuming you're pissed off at Hillary that she described these videos as "disturbing" right?

like I said before I don't think this is a big deal. 

and for the record I have always maintained that the fetus parts should be allowed to be sold.....at a profit.  It's not a human.  never was.  it's not human tissue.  However the mother's should be getting some of that profit.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 03, 2015, 02:00:07 PM
I'm not claiming that they are or they aren't.  but the rhetoric in that video I believe should raise some eyebrows. 

I'm assuming you're pissed off at Hillary that she described these videos as "disturbing" right?

like I said before I don't think this is a big deal. 

and for the record I have always maintained that the fetus parts should be allowed to be sold.....at a profit.  It's not a human.  never was.  it's not human tissue.  However the mother's should be getting some of that profit.

I disagree with many things that many politicians say, including Hilary and Obama

and

there is NO PROFIT to "share"

go back and read the last post


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 03, 2015, 02:52:25 PM
Pretty safe to say that libs are completely void of ANY morals. From abortion to racism, gay rights, transgendered, etc. no commonsense and definitely not knowing right from wrong.



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 03, 2015, 04:15:29 PM
Senate Blocks Republican Legislation Defunding Planned Parenthood
Monday, 03 Aug 2015

The Senate blocked a Republican drive Monday to terminate federal funds for Planned Parenthood, setting the stage for the GOP to try again this fall amid higher stakes — a potential government shutdown that could echo into next year's presidential and congressional elections.

The derailed legislation was the Republican response to videos, recorded secretly by anti-abortion activists, showing Planned Parenthood officials dispassionately discussing how they sometimes provide medical researchers with tissue from aborted fetuses. Those videos have led conservatives to accuse the group of illegally selling the organs for profit — strongly denied by Planned Parenthood — and inserted abortion and women's health into the mix of issues to be argued in the 2016 campaign.

Monday's mostly party-line vote was 53-46 to halt Democratic delays aimed at derailing the bill, seven short of the 60 votes Republicans needed. Even so, the GOP is hoping to reap political gains because the videos have ignited the party's core conservative, anti-abortion voters.

The fight is already creating heated talking points for Republican presidential candidates, who convene Thursday for their first debate of the 2016 campaign. Several of them, including Sens. Ted Cruz of Texas and Rand Paul of Kentucky, are calling for Congress to end Planned Parenthood's federal payments.

Longer term, GOP leaders are hoping that three congressional committees' investigations, plus several state probes and the expected release of additional videos, will produce evidence of Planned Parenthood wrongdoing and make it harder for Democrats to defend the organization. Planned Parenthood provides contraception, testing for sexually transmitted diseases and abortions in clinics from coast to coast.

Democrats were largely muted when the videos were first distributed, but their defense of Planned Parenthood has grown more robust. They sounded a theme Monday that they have employed in recent elections, characterizing the GOP drive as an assault on health care for women.

"It's our obligation to protect our wives, our sisters, our daughters, our granddaughters" from the GOP's "absurd policies," said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. "The Republican Party has lost its moral compass."

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said Democrats should not protect Planned Parenthood's federal funds "just to protect some political group," an apparent reference to the organization's one-sided campaign contributions to Democratic candidates.

Republican Sen. Joni Ernst of Iowa said, "The American taxpayer should not be asked to fund an organization like Planned Parenthood that has shown a sheer disdain for human dignity and complete disregard for women and their babies."

Ernst sponsored the measure as party leaders sought ways to blunt Democratic charges of GOP insensitivity to women.

The only senators to cross party lines were Democrats Joe Donnelly of Indiana and Joe Manchin of West Virginia, and Illinois Republican Mark Kirk, who faces a tough re-election fight next year. McConnell joined Democrats in voting to block the bill, a procedural move that allows him to force a fresh vote later. Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., a presidential candidate, was in New Hampshire and didn't vote.

Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards said Monday's vote showed the bill was "a political non-starter." Tony Perkins, president of the ant-abortion Family Research Center, said Congress "must take the next step" and remove Planned Parenthood's funding when lawmakers return next month from summer recess.

The anti-abortion Center for Medical Progress has released four videos in which people posing as representatives of a company that purchases fetal tissue converse with Planned Parenthood officials. The videos have been especially controversial because of the casual descriptions by the Planned Parenthood officials of the abortion procedures they use to obtain tissue, and because they show close-ups of fetal organs in laboratories.

The center and some of its GOP supporters have said the videos show that Planned Parenthood sells the tissue for profit, which is illegal under federal law.

Planned Parenthood says the videos are selectively edited and that the organization only recovers costs of the procedures — which is legal — and only gives the tissue to researchers with a mother's advance consent and in fewer than five states.

Stung by past government shutdowns that voters have blamed on Republicans, GOP leaders have shown no interest in another one this fall. Federal agencies run out of money on Oct. 1, and Congress is tasked with passing legislation by then temporarily keeping the doors open until lawmakers and President Barack Obama can reach a longer-term agreement.

But it could be challenging for those Republican leaders to control their most conservative lawmakers, who are urged on by the party's anti-abortion activists. Rep. Mick Mulvaney, R-S.C., has said he expects to get several dozen signatures on a letter opposing any spending bill containing money for Planned Parenthood, and some GOP senators, including Cruz, Paul and others, have voiced similar sentiments.

The Republican measure calls for funneling Planned Parenthood's federal dollars to other providers of health care to women, including hospitals, state and local agencies and federally financed community health centers.

Republicans say that transfer would enable women to continue receiving the health care they need because Planned Parenthood's nearly 700 clinics are far outnumbered by other providers.

Planned Parenthood and Democrats contest that. They say many of the organization's centers are in areas with few alternatives for reproductive health care or for other services for the low-income women who comprise a majority of its clients.

Planned Parenthood receives more than $500 million yearly in government funds — including state payments — more than one-third of its annual $1.3 billion in revenue. Its annual report says it provides services for 2.7 million people annually, mostly women, with abortions accounting for 3 percent of its procedures.

By law, federal funds are already barred from being used for abortions except for cases of incest, rape or when a woman's life is in danger.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/senate-planned-parenthood-defund-fail/2015/08/03/id/665227/#ixzz3hnheXHOA


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 03, 2015, 06:18:24 PM
No

what does that have to do with the facts of the videos?



Not attacking, I just like to see how certain situations may or may not be affected by their circumstances.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 03, 2015, 06:42:41 PM
Pretty safe to say that libs are completely void of ANY morals. From abortion to racism, gay rights, transgendered, etc. no commonsense and definitely not knowing right from wrong.

hmmm....  but lots of 'exceptions' are okay, right?   ;)

Most sensible people will LOL at either party claiming moral superiority.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 03, 2015, 07:09:27 PM



Not attacking, I just like to see how certain situations may or may not be affected by their circumstances.

I didn't think you were attacking I just don't get the relevance

there are millions of people who have children and support a womans right to choose and I'm sure there are millions who don't have kids and also oppose all abortion for any reason

there are probably also people who were once con and now pro and vice versa
just like there are plenty of religious types who are now atheist and likely many atheist who are now religious

You can likely say that about many topics



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 03, 2015, 07:10:13 PM
hmmm....  but lots of 'exceptions' are okay, right?   ;)

Most sensible people will LOL at either party claiming moral superiority.

consider who you are talking to when making statements like that


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 04, 2015, 07:16:41 AM
hmmm....  but lots of 'exceptions' are okay, right?   ;)

Most sensible people will LOL at either party claiming moral superiority.

When I say libs are  completely void I really mean COMPLETELY VOID all the way from NAMBLA to abortion.



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 04, 2015, 07:34:17 AM
When I say libs are  completely void I really mean COMPLETELY VOID all the way from NAMBLA to abortion.

so all libs support sex with children?   or all pedos are liberal?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 04, 2015, 07:39:18 AM
so all libs support sex with children?   or all pedos are liberal?

Really 240? are you arguing just to argue? You really think those are the only two issues? You're wasting my time.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 04, 2015, 08:10:03 AM
Really 240? are you arguing just to argue? You really think those are the only two issues? You're wasting my time.

in a thread about abortion, you decided to call out libs for child sex crimes.  I found that odd.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 04, 2015, 10:37:40 AM
 ::)


A Republican congressman has introduced legislation that cites two Bible verses as reasons the House of Representatives to should oppose same-sex marriage and block federal grants for Planned Parenthood.

The symbolic resolution, introduced by Rep. Walter Jones (NC) on July 29, calls on the House to “consider legislation to protect traditional marriage and prevent taxpayer funding of abortion.”

The resolution begins by stating that the United States is based on “Judeo-Christian principles” and notes that the “creator is explicitly mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.”

The resolution also says the Supreme Court “invalidated the wishes of States that prohibited same-sex marriage” in its historic Obergefell v. Hodges ruling in June. It goes on to accuse Planned Parenthood of killing “50,000,000 unborn children.”

Before demanding the House take up four bills related to abortion and LGBT rights, the resolution cites two Bible verses.

“Whereas in Jeremiah 1:5 the Bible reads ‘Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee.'; and Whereas in 1 Timothy 4:1–5 the Bible reads ‘Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils': Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That the House of Representatives calls upon the Speaker to encourage committee chairs to schedule the following legislation for immediate committee consideration, then follow through with scheduling votes on the House floor if they are reported favorably by their respective committees.”


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 04, 2015, 10:49:48 AM
::)


A Republican congressman has introduced legislation that cites two Bible verses as reasons the House of Representatives to should oppose same-sex marriage and block federal grants for Planned Parenthood.

The symbolic resolution, introduced by Rep. Walter Jones (NC) on July 29, calls on the House to “consider legislation to protect traditional marriage and prevent taxpayer funding of abortion.”

The resolution begins by stating that the United States is based on “Judeo-Christian principles” and notes that the “creator is explicitly mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.”

The resolution also says the Supreme Court “invalidated the wishes of States that prohibited same-sex marriage” in its historic Obergefell v. Hodges ruling in June. It goes on to accuse Planned Parenthood of killing “50,000,000 unborn children.”

Before demanding the House take up four bills related to abortion and LGBT rights, the resolution cites two Bible verses.

“Whereas in Jeremiah 1:5 the Bible reads ‘Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee.'; and Whereas in 1 Timothy 4:1–5 the Bible reads ‘Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils': Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That the House of Representatives calls upon the Speaker to encourage committee chairs to schedule the following legislation for immediate committee consideration, then follow through with scheduling votes on the House floor if they are reported favorably by their respective committees.”

And?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 04, 2015, 11:20:41 AM
And?

You obviously "just don't get it do you"?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 04, 2015, 12:16:16 PM
You obviously "just don't get it do you"?

You (and the rest of the left) definately don't get it. The reason why they're (and anyone that supports them) are in fact moral losers, liars and thieves.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 04, 2015, 12:58:19 PM
You (and the rest of the left) definately don't get it. The reason why they're (and anyone that supports them) are in fact moral losers, liars and thieves.

LOL @ the life long drug addict and 3 times divorced tire flipping dwarf trying to lecture anyone on morals


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 04, 2015, 01:11:57 PM
You (and the rest of the left) definately don't get it. The reason why they're (and anyone that supports them) are in fact moral losers, liars and thieves.



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 04, 2015, 02:33:24 PM
There's a good chance these religious kooks behind the fraudulent Planned Parenthood videos broke multiple laws in the State of CA
 
http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2015/07/28/exclusive-faces-fake-names-people-behind-planned-parenthood-attack-videos/
Quote
Exclusive: The Faces and Fake Names of People Behind Planned Parenthood Attack Videos
by Sharona Coutts, Vice President, Investigations and Research, RH Reality Check
and Sofia Resnick, Investigative Reporter, RH Reality Check
July 28, 2015 - 3:06 pm


Already, California Attorney General Kamala Harris has announced an investigation into the Center for Medical Progress. Her investigation seems to be geared toward whether the group violated any laws in connection with its registration with the state’s Registry of Charitable Trusts, but she also said her office would look at whether the group had committed “any violations of California law.”

According to a California criminal defense attorney, Michael Kraut, there is some reason to believe that Daleiden and his associates may have violated California and federal law on forgery, credit card fraud, and identity theft.

If Daleiden and his accomplices did in fact provide fake government ID cards, they could have violated California laws that prohibit forgery, fraud, and perjury, said Kraut whose firm, Kraut Law Group, represents defendants in Los Angeles and Orange counties.

It is illegal to forge the state government seal, as well as to obtain state driver’s licenses using false names, said Kraut, who worked as a deputy district attorney in Los Angeles and for the United States Attorney’s Office before starting his own practice. Both crimes can be charged as either a misdemeanor or a felony, depending on a range of circumstances. They are both easy for the prosecution to prove, added Kraut.

“A false seal is an easy prosecution because it either is or isn’t,” Kraut said. “And if they went to the DMV and got licenses under a false name, they’ve committed perjury. … That is very easy to prove, because one of the things they have to do in California is you have to fill out a document when you’re doing that, saying ‘I don’t have a license in any other name, and the name I’m using is my true and correct name.’ Each one would be a felonious statement.”

Prosecutors would have more difficulty charging Daleiden and his associates under California’s false impersonation statute if all they did was misrepresent themselves using fake names and fake business cards, Kraut said. Under California law, prosecutors must prove that a defendant deliberately used the identity of another and either directly benefited as a result or directly harmed that person in order to successfully convict on false impersonation charges.

In other words, if both Sarkis and Tennenbaum are fictional personas, then Daleiden and his operatives are unlikely to face charges of false impersonation.

However, another detail from the a/k/a Bistro video suggests Daleiden’s group may have gone beyond simply concocting identities, and might have co-opted the identity of a real person—one who shares the name of a California woman who went to the same elementary and high schools as the leader of this attack campaign.

Toward the end of the film, the woman who identifies herself as Susan can be seen removing a Bank of America card from her wallet, and using it to pay the bill.

Yet the name on the credit card is not Susan Tennenbaum, but rather, appears to be Brianna Allen.



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Skip8282 on August 04, 2015, 03:48:43 PM
I'm not claiming that they are or they aren't.  but the rhetoric in that video I believe should raise some eyebrows. 

I'm assuming you're pissed off at Hillary that she described these videos as "disturbing" right?

like I said before I don't think this is a big deal. 

and for the record I have always maintained that the fetus parts should be allowed to be sold.....at a profit.  It's not a human.  never was.  it's not human tissue.  However the mother's should be getting some of that profit.



Introducing profit would cause ethical problems I think.  Science needs to advance and we shouldn't have to go back to doctors digging up graves to learn.  What they can learn from studying a fetus can save countless lives in the future.



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 04, 2015, 03:51:12 PM
And?

Right?  Who cares? 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 04, 2015, 03:53:29 PM
New Planned Parenthood Video Shows Selling of 'Intact Fetuses'
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=1a321763-ada2-4f8c-ac7b-60e214687e62&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
Image: New Planned Parenthood Video Shows Selling of 'Intact Fetuses' (Photo by Olivier Douliery/Getty Images)
By Loren Gutentag   |   Tuesday, 04 Aug 2015

The Center for Medical Progress, the anti-abortion group that has released recordings of Planned Parenthood officials discussing the harvesting and selling of organs of aborted babies, has released a fifth video that deals with using 'intact fetuses' and the organization's 'diversification of the revenue stream,' The Hill reports.

The video is "repulsive and unconscionable," said Texas Gov. Greg Abbott after the fifth video from the Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast clinic in Texas was released.

AP reports that footage shows people touring the clinic as they pretended to be from a company that procures fetal tissue for research.

Not only were the individuals shown recently collected fetuses, but the video also shows a Planned Parenthood official, Melissa Farrell, director of research for Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast, discussing intact fetuses.

"Just depending on the patient's anatomy, how many weeks, where it's placed in the uterus ... we're going to potentially be able to have some that will be more or less intact, and then some that will not be," she tells an interviewer. "But it's something that we can look at exploring how we can make that happen so we have a higher chance."

Planned Parenthood has previously stated that rather than selling the body parts and organs for profit, Planned Parenthood will "donate" human remains to for-profit and non-profit entities.

However, the latest video shows a Planned Parenthood official stating, "we've had studies in which the company, or in the case of the investigator, has a specific need for a certain portion of the products of conception and we bake that into our contract, and our protocol, that we follow this. So we deviate from our standard in order to do that.

"If we alter our process and we are able to obtain intact fetal cadavers, then we can make it part of the budget, that any dissections are this, and splitting the specimens into different shipments is this. I mean, it's all just a matter of line items," she adds later.

The Center warned viewers earlier in the day of the potential release: 

"You're going to see evidence in it of how Planned Parenthood is willing to sell fully in-tact fetuses to buyers of aborted fetal tissue," said David Daleiden of The Center of Medical Progress on CNN. "Perhaps it's going to be even more shocking."

The first four videos that were released by the anti-abortion group has caused an uproar amongst conservatives and has ultimately led to a fight to defund Planned Parenthood.

According to The Hill, despite court orders blocking the release of some of the videos, Daleiden's group is planning to release other videos that are not affected by the court ruling.

On Monday afternoon, a standalone Republican-led bill to defund Planned Parenthood failed to defeat a Democratic filibuster, securing 53 votes in favor and 46 against.

While Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has promised no government shut downs on his watch, presidential candidate Donald Trump says the "only way to get rid of Planned Parenthood money is to shut the government down."

As the defunding debate continues, the Center of Medical Progress says that several more videos are expected to be released, The Hill reports.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/planned-parenthood-video-center-for-medical-progress/2015/08/04/id/665339/#ixzz3htSPQhHQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egGUEvY7CEg


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 04, 2015, 04:14:25 PM
Yawn...more of the same bullshit by a group of frauds


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Skip8282 on August 04, 2015, 04:22:03 PM
New Planned Parenthood Video Shows Selling of 'Intact Fetuses'
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=1a321763-ada2-4f8c-ac7b-60e214687e62&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
Image: New Planned Parenthood Video Shows Selling of 'Intact Fetuses' (Photo by Olivier Douliery/Getty Images)
By Loren Gutentag   |   Tuesday, 04 Aug 2015

The Center for Medical Progress, the anti-abortion group that has released recordings of Planned Parenthood officials discussing the harvesting and selling of organs of aborted babies, has released a fifth video that deals with using 'intact fetuses' and the organization's 'diversification of the revenue stream,' The Hill reports.

The video is "repulsive and unconscionable," said Texas Gov. Greg Abbott after the fifth video from the Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast clinic in Texas was released.

AP reports that footage shows people touring the clinic as they pretended to be from a company that procures fetal tissue for research.

Not only were the individuals shown recently collected fetuses, but the video also shows a Planned Parenthood official, Melissa Farrell, director of research for Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast, discussing intact fetuses.

"Just depending on the patient's anatomy, how many weeks, where it's placed in the uterus ... we're going to potentially be able to have some that will be more or less intact, and then some that will not be," she tells an interviewer. "But it's something that we can look at exploring how we can make that happen so we have a higher chance."

Planned Parenthood has previously stated that rather than selling the body parts and organs for profit, Planned Parenthood will "donate" human remains to for-profit and non-profit entities.

However, the latest video shows a Planned Parenthood official stating, "we've had studies in which the company, or in the case of the investigator, has a specific need for a certain portion of the products of conception and we bake that into our contract, and our protocol, that we follow this. So we deviate from our standard in order to do that.

"If we alter our process and we are able to obtain intact fetal cadavers, then we can make it part of the budget, that any dissections are this, and splitting the specimens into different shipments is this. I mean, it's all just a matter of line items," she adds later.

The Center warned viewers earlier in the day of the potential release: 

"You're going to see evidence in it of how Planned Parenthood is willing to sell fully in-tact fetuses to buyers of aborted fetal tissue," said David Daleiden of The Center of Medical Progress on CNN. "Perhaps it's going to be even more shocking."

The first four videos that were released by the anti-abortion group has caused an uproar amongst conservatives and has ultimately led to a fight to defund Planned Parenthood.

According to The Hill, despite court orders blocking the release of some of the videos, Daleiden's group is planning to release other videos that are not affected by the court ruling.

On Monday afternoon, a standalone Republican-led bill to defund Planned Parenthood failed to defeat a Democratic filibuster, securing 53 votes in favor and 46 against.

While Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has promised no government shut downs on his watch, presidential candidate Donald Trump says the "only way to get rid of Planned Parenthood money is to shut the government down."

As the defunding debate continues, the Center of Medical Progress says that several more videos are expected to be released, The Hill reports.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/planned-parenthood-video-center-for-medical-progress/2015/08/04/id/665339/#ixzz3htSPQhHQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egGUEvY7CEg



And?


I get you all believe a fetus is a human life, but I would presume that you agree science must advance?




Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 04, 2015, 04:22:26 PM
Right?  Who cares? 

Religious dingbats obviously care.

 ::)


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 04, 2015, 04:35:20 PM
A funny line from CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/04/opinions/louis-planned-parenthood/index.html
Quote
That last part -- the claim that Planned Parenthood "sells the body parts of aborted babies," the centerpiece of the whole multi-year effort -- is flat-out untrue, and the lie is exposed by the Center's own undercover videos. Anyone who doubts this should plow through the transcripts of the conversations on the video. More on that in a moment.

By law, women getting abortions can voluntarily donate the tissue from that procedure to medical research, and by law the abortion provider can request nominal reimbursement $30 to $100 in most cases -- for saving, packing and shipping the tissue to a research firm.

The details of the process are enough to trouble anyone: non-medical people don't talk about the price of requesting, removing and shipping organs and pieces of flesh from place to place. Most of us would freak out if we listened to professionals in the local hospital, funeral home or medical examiner's office discuss details of how a dying person's request to have their body parts donated for transplants or scientific research actually gets carried out.

It turns out that cadavers, livers, kidneys, eyes and other organs don't walk themselves over to the local hospital or medical school for free.

For that matter, I'd urge anybody who has purchased an insurance policy that covers accidental death and dismemberment to peruse the fine print, which places dollar amounts indicating varying degrees of financial recovery for losing combinations of thumbs, fingers, eyes, legs and limbs
.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 04, 2015, 04:39:47 PM


And?


I get you all believe a fetus is a human life, but I would presume that you agree science must advance?




And it's just another video showing they are selling human body parts for profit.  Not sure that's how most taxpayers want their money spent.  Pretty gruesome stuff. 

I believe an unborn baby is a human life and I believe science should advance.  Those two aren't mutually exclusive. 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 04, 2015, 04:49:18 PM
And it's just another video showing they are selling human body parts for profit.  Not sure that's how most taxpayers want their money spent.  Pretty gruesome stuff. 

I believe an unborn baby is a human life and I believe science should advance.  Those two aren't mutually exclusive. 

Wrong again

there is no profit

but I know you fundie types want to keep beliving that

that's why you fellow LYING FUNDIES edited the video to exclude the ten or so times that the person from PP said that very thing

Quote

Four experts in the field of human tissue procurement told us the price range discussed in the video — $30 to $100 per patient — represents a reasonable fee. “There’s no way there’s a profit at that price,” said Sherilyn J. Sawyer, the director of Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s “biorepository.”

Nucatola’s comment, though, isn’t evidence that Planned Parenthood or its affiliates are selling “body parts” or fetal tissue for profit. The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues. Nucatola talks about “space issues” and whether shipping would be involved.

We also asked experts in the use of human tissue for research about the potential for profit. Sherilyn J. Sawyer, the director of Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s “biorepository,” told us that “there’s no way there’s a profit at that price.”She continued in an email:

Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee.

Jim Vaught, president of the International Society for Biological and Environmental Repositories and formerly the deputy director of the National Cancer Institute’s Office of Biorepositories and Biospecimen Research, told us in an email that “$30 to $100 per sample is a reasonable charge for clinical operations to recover their costs for providing tissue.” In fact, he said, the costs to a clinic are often much higher, but most operations that provide this kind of tissue have “no intention of fully recovering [their] costs, much less making a profit.”

Carolyn Compton, the chief medical and science officer of Arizona State University’s National Biomarkers Development Alliance and a former director of biorepositories and biospecimen research at the National Cancer Institute, agreed that this was “a modest price tag for cost recovery.” Compton told us in an email: ” ‘Profit’ is out of the question, in my mind. I would say that whoever opined about ‘profit’ knows very little about the effort and expense involved in providing human biospecimens for research purposes.”


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Skip8282 on August 04, 2015, 04:54:02 PM
And it's just another video showing they are selling human body parts for profit.  Not sure that's how most taxpayers want their money spent.  Pretty gruesome stuff. 

I believe an unborn baby is a human life and I believe science should advance.  Those two aren't mutually exclusive. 


I don't think the 'profit' portion has been demonstrated.  I would agree, that should it be shown there is any profit, it needs to be stopped.  They are, after all, a non-profit.

In this sense, they probably are mutually exclusive.  They need these parts, or whole fetuses, to advance.  I would imagine that most in the medical field become desensitized to this type of stuff and try to keep things at a professional or what I would call 'clinical' level.  Lurker could probably elaborate more given his employment. 

But I don't think they are trying to devalue the fetus by having a 'clinical' type of discussion about the costs required to preserve, transport, store, etc., human remains (for lack of a better term).



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 04, 2015, 05:00:16 PM

I don't think the 'profit' portion has been demonstrated.  I would agree, that should it be shown there is any profit, it needs to be stopped.  They are, after all, a non-profit.

In this sense, they probably are mutually exclusive.  They need these parts, or whole fetuses, to advance.  I would imagine that most in the medical field become desensitized to this type of stuff and try to keep things at a professional or what I would call 'clinical' level.  Lurker could probably elaborate more given his employment.  

But I don't think they are trying to devalue the fetus by having a 'clinical' type of discussion about the costs required to preserve, transport, store, etc., human remains (for lack of a better term).



it's also a felony which is how you know that these videos are full of shit

If they had anything they would go to the authorities (it certainly would give them credibility)

Instead they edit out the many many times that the person from Planned Parenthood say this is not for profit, not a money making thing etc..

These video hoaxsters claim to be investigative journalists yet they edit out content that is contrary to the hoax they are trying to perpetrate


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Skip8282 on August 04, 2015, 05:09:01 PM
it's also a felony which is how you know that these videos are full of shit

If they had anything they would go to the authorities (it certainly would give them credibility)

Instead they edit out the many many times that the person from Planned Parenthood say this is not for profit, not a money making thing etc..

These video hoaxsters claim to be investigative journalists yet they edit out content that is contrary to the hoax they are trying to perpetrate



Good point.  Any illegality would trigger an investigation at the very least.  I think the shock value comes from them being desensitized to this type of stuff.



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 04, 2015, 05:28:52 PM

Good point.  Any illegality would trigger an investigation at the very least.  I think the shock value comes from them being desensitized to this type of stuff.



I'm expect you'll find the same thing with surgeons, medical examiners, coroners, morticians
people who work in the medical industry in general are desensitized to stuff that would freak out the average person

just google "body farm photos" and you'll find pictures that will ruin your dinner yet people work there every day (and visit it too)



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 04, 2015, 05:30:38 PM
I didn't think you were attacking I just don't get the relevance

there are millions of people who have children and support a womans right to choose and I'm sure there are millions who don't have kids and also oppose all abortion for any reason

there are probably also people who were once con and now pro and vice versa
just like there are plenty of religious types who are now atheist and likely many atheist who are now religious

You can likely say that about many topics




Fair enough. I myself would not advocate the abortion of one of my children, but I believe everybody has to make the decision that's right for them. I obviously have no issue with it in the circumstance of rape or incest or if the mothers life is LEGITIMATELY in danger. I do have an issue with people using it as a form of birth control or because being pregnant is inconvenient for them. But, like I said, it's ultimately their choice.

Where it gets tricky, are things like these situations where there is somebody making money off of this, and how cavalier the attitudes of these doctors are being towards the lives of these unborn children. I think that they, just like that idiot who shot the lion, should be having their business picketed, and should be feeling the push back from the public for their actions. Do I think they should be put in jail? Only if laws were broken, otherwise, write your congressman and get the laws changed.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 04, 2015, 05:32:08 PM

Fair enough. I myself would not advocate the abortion of one of my children, but I believe everybody has to make the decision that's right for them. I obviously have no issue with it in the circumstance of rape or incest or if the mothers life is LEGITIMATELY in danger. I do have an issue with people using it as a form of birth control or because being pregnant is inconvenient for them. But, like I said, it's ultimately their choice.

Where it gets tricky, are things like these situations where there is somebody making money off of this, and how cavalier the attitudes of these doctors are being towards the lives of these unborn children. I think that they, just like that idiot who shot the lion, should be having their business picketed, and should be feeling the push back from the public for their actions. Do I think they should be put in jail? Only if laws were broken, otherwise, write your congressman and get the laws changed.

For about the 5th time now on this thread....no one is making money from this



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 04, 2015, 05:52:05 PM

I don't think the 'profit' portion has been demonstrated.  I would agree, that should it be shown there is any profit, it needs to be stopped.  They are, after all, a non-profit.

In this sense, they probably are mutually exclusive.  They need these parts, or whole fetuses, to advance.  I would imagine that most in the medical field become desensitized to this type of stuff and try to keep things at a professional or what I would call 'clinical' level.  Lurker could probably elaborate more given his employment. 

But I don't think they are trying to devalue the fetus by having a 'clinical' type of discussion about the costs required to preserve, transport, store, etc., human remains (for lack of a better term).



"Nonprofit organization" is often a misnomer.  All organizations have to make money, one way or another, to function.  It definitely sounds like PP is trying generate profits (revenue, income, whatever you want to call it) to advance their business, which is in part killing unborn babies.  I agree with bears on this that they cannot identify the "costs" that are being "reimbursed."  If you watch the videos, they are clearly talking about making money, not simply getting reimbursed for unstated costs.   

We don't have to sell either intact or dismembered dead babies to advance science. 

Pro abortion people absolutely dehumanize the baby.  That's partly what makes it so easy for them to embrace and celebrate one of the most gruesome practices in the country.  Whether you agree with legalized abortion or not, it is an awful procedure. 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 04, 2015, 06:50:29 PM
"Nonprofit organization" is often a misnomer.  All organizations have to make money, one way or another, to function.  It definitely sounds like PP is trying generate profits (revenue, income, whatever you want to call it) to advance their business, which is in part killing unborn babies.  I agree with bears on this that they cannot identify the "costs" that are being "reimbursed."  If you watch the videos, they are clearly talking about making money, not simply getting reimbursed for unstated costs.   

We don't have to sell either intact or dismembered dead babies to advance science. 

Pro abortion people absolutely dehumanize the baby.  That's partly what makes it so easy for them to embrace and celebrate one of the most gruesome practices in the country.  Whether you agree with legalized abortion or not, it is an awful procedure. 

for fucks sake you're a blatant liar

the full video shows them saying over and over that this not a money making endeavor

Quote
At one point in the unedited video (which was also released by the group), Nucatola says: “Affiliates are not looking to make money by doing this. They’re looking to serve their patients and just make it not impact their bottom line.”
Nucatola also says, “No one’s going to see this as a money making thing.” And at another point, she says, “Our goal, like I said, is to give patients the option without impacting our bottom line. The messaging is this should not be seen as a new revenue stream, because that’s not what it is.

here again are the statement of 4 experts in the field of tissue procurement explaining the costs involved.

or you can just look at the statement from the CNN article which dumbs it down for people like you

It turns out that cadavers, livers, kidneys, eyes and other organs don't walk themselves over to the local hospital or medical school for free.

Quote

Four experts in the field of human tissue procurement told us the price range discussed in the video — $30 to $100 per patient — represents a reasonable fee. “There’s no way there’s a profit at that price,” said Sherilyn J. Sawyer, the director of Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s “biorepository.”

Nucatola’s comment, though, isn’t evidence that Planned Parenthood or its affiliates are selling “body parts” or fetal tissue for profit. The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues. Nucatola talks about “space issues” and whether shipping would be involved.

We also asked experts in the use of human tissue for research about the potential for profit. Sherilyn J. Sawyer, the director of Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s “biorepository,” told us that “there’s no way there’s a profit at that price.”She continued in an email:

Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee.

Jim Vaught, president of the International Society for Biological and Environmental Repositories and formerly the deputy director of the National Cancer Institute’s Office of Biorepositories and Biospecimen Research, told us in an email that “$30 to $100 per sample is a reasonable charge for clinical operations to recover their costs for providing tissue.” In fact, he said, the costs to a clinic are often much higher, but most operations that provide this kind of tissue have “no intention of fully recovering [their] costs, much less making a profit.”

Carolyn Compton, the chief medical and science officer of Arizona State University’s National Biomarkers Development Alliance and a former director of biorepositories and biospecimen research at the National Cancer Institute, agreed that this was “a modest price tag for cost recovery.” Compton told us in an email: ” ‘Profit’ is out of the question, in my mind. I would say that whoever opined about ‘profit’ knows very little about the effort and expense involved in providing human biospecimens for research purposes.”


Bum - if you're still confused it's just due to willful ignorance


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 04, 2015, 06:56:27 PM
Wrong again

there is no profit

but I know you fundie types want to keep beliving that

that's why you fellow LYING FUNDIES edited the video to exclude the ten or so times that the person from PP said that very thing


No profit yet they talk about buying Lamborghini's? So then you must be talking about what? Embezzlement?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 04, 2015, 06:57:35 PM
To even argue this shows a complete lack of morals and not knowing right from wrong.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 04, 2015, 06:59:36 PM
To even argue this shows a complete lack of morals and not knowing right from wrong.

great point

Planned Parenthood is doing nothing wrong

The entire right wing uproar over those videos is willful ignorance based on a fraud perpetrated by right wing religious liars

Thanks for finally making a valid point on this board


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 04, 2015, 07:07:06 PM
great point

Planned Parenthood is doing nothing wrong

The entire right wing uproar over those videos is willful ignorance

Thanks for finally making a valid point on this board

And this is why 98% of the left cannot  possibly know right from wrong. Thanks for that.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 04, 2015, 07:36:59 PM
great point

Planned Parenthood is doing nothing wrong

The entire right wing uproar over those videos is willful ignorance based on a fraud perpetrated by right wing religious liars

Thanks for finally making a valid point on this board

No shit.  Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes truth for the stupid sheeple that hear it.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Coach is Back! on August 04, 2015, 07:51:56 PM
No shit.  Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes truth for the stupid sheeple that hear it.

Hahaha. You'll agree with anything straw and 240 put out and visa versa. Like a circle jerk. lol


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 04, 2015, 07:57:45 PM
And this is why 98% of the left cannot  possibly know right from wrong. Thanks for that.

what % of the right can't tell right from wrong?   You know the dem's %.  Do you know the repubs %?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 05, 2015, 09:36:45 AM
For about the 5th time now on this thread....no one is making money from this



Again, we will agree to disagree. While I do not think that Planned Parenthood makes money off of this, as she is right in stating it's probably a loss for them, I do not believe that an "end user" is not making a profit somewhere. It's part of this capitalist society we live in.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 05, 2015, 09:52:09 AM
Again, we will agree to disagree. While I do not think that Planned Parenthood makes money off of this, as she is right in stating it's probably a loss for them, I do not believe that an "end user" is not making a profit somewhere. It's part of this capitalist society we live in.

If it's going to medical research then yeah somewhere way down the road there might be some profit but it could well be going to purely research

either way

so what?

Planned Parenthood is not making any profit and as you said, it's probably a loss for them



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 05, 2015, 10:37:11 AM
So killing humans and harvesting their organs in Africa is bad, but killing humans and selling them intact or in pieces for profit in the U.S. is good.  Twisted.  

Obama: Killing Humans And Harvesting Their Organs Is An Atrocity That Must End
August 5, 2015
By Mollie Hemingway

President Barack Obama told a group of young African leaders on Monday that harvesting organs from humans that are killed as part of an African ritual was “craziness” and a “cruel” tradition that needed to stop. He warned of dehumanizing marginal groups of humans and of the problems that arise when “you are not able to see someone else as a human being.”

In a wide-ranging question and answer session with members of the Young African Leaders Initiative [YALI], a woman from Kenya said “Persons with albinism in Africa are being killed and their body parts harvested for ritual purposes. My request to you is to raise this issue with heads of state of African countries to bring these atrocities to an end.”

Obama decried the practice and went on to encourage the young people to do everything in their power to fight on the behalf of vulnerable humans.

“Young people, you can lead the way and set a good example. But it requires some courage because the old thinking, people will push back at you and if you don’t have convictions and courage to be able stand up for what you think is right, then cruelty will perpetuate itself,” he said. He added, “If there’s one thing I want YALI leaders to come out with, it’s the notion of you are strong by taking care of the people who are vulnerable, by looking after the minority, looking after the disabled, looking after the vulnerable. You’re not strong by putting people down you’re strong by lifting them up. That’s the measure of a leader.”

Obama also tied the practice of harvesting organs from albinos with racism and discrimination against gay people and urged consistency in how they view the sanctity of human life if they want to complain about human rights abuses.

You can watch the question and answer here:

Obama’s comments come in the midst of a weeks-long scandal in his own country over the killing of unborn children via abortion followed by the harvesting and distribution of their organs. The Center for Medical Progress has released five videos of Planned Parenthood officials discussing the killing of human fetuses and the harvesting of their organs — or entire cadavers — to researchers willing to pay a pretty penny for them.

On the topic of human organ harvesting, President Obama’s spokesman Josh Earnest has said that President Obama has chosen not to watch the video footage of Planned Parenthood officials dissecting human fetuses for parts. Nevertheless, President Obama has vehemently defended the abortion group.

In 2012, Planned Parenthood said, while announcing a $1.4 million ad buy on his behalf, that they had “no greater champion” than President Obama.

During his time in the Illinois Senate, Obama’s devotion to abortion was so extreme that he argued a form of infanticide should remain legal out of fear that protecting infants born alive might somehow protect young humans in the womb.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/05/obama-killing-humans-and-harvesting-their-organs-is-an-atrocity-that-must-end/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Necrosis on August 05, 2015, 02:23:22 PM
So killing humans and harvesting their organs in Africa is bad, but killing humans and selling them intact or in pieces for profit in the U.S. is good.  Twisted.  

Obama: Killing Humans And Harvesting Their Organs Is An Atrocity That Must End
August 5, 2015
By Mollie Hemingway

President Barack Obama told a group of young African leaders on Monday that harvesting organs from humans that are killed as part of an African ritual was “craziness” and a “cruel” tradition that needed to stop. He warned of dehumanizing marginal groups of humans and of the problems that arise when “you are not able to see someone else as a human being.”

In a wide-ranging question and answer session with members of the Young African Leaders Initiative [YALI], a woman from Kenya said “Persons with albinism in Africa are being killed and their body parts harvested for ritual purposes. My request to you is to raise this issue with heads of state of African countries to bring these atrocities to an end.”

Obama decried the practice and went on to encourage the young people to do everything in their power to fight on the behalf of vulnerable humans.

“Young people, you can lead the way and set a good example. But it requires some courage because the old thinking, people will push back at you and if you don’t have convictions and courage to be able stand up for what you think is right, then cruelty will perpetuate itself,” he said. He added, “If there’s one thing I want YALI leaders to come out with, it’s the notion of you are strong by taking care of the people who are vulnerable, by looking after the minority, looking after the disabled, looking after the vulnerable. You’re not strong by putting people down you’re strong by lifting them up. That’s the measure of a leader.”

Obama also tied the practice of harvesting organs from albinos with racism and discrimination against gay people and urged consistency in how they view the sanctity of human life if they want to complain about human rights abuses.

You can watch the question and answer here:

Obama’s comments come in the midst of a weeks-long scandal in his own country over the killing of unborn children via abortion followed by the harvesting and distribution of their organs. The Center for Medical Progress has released five videos of Planned Parenthood officials discussing the killing of human fetuses and the harvesting of their organs — or entire cadavers — to researchers willing to pay a pretty penny for them.

On the topic of human organ harvesting, President Obama’s spokesman Josh Earnest has said that President Obama has chosen not to watch the video footage of Planned Parenthood officials dissecting human fetuses for parts. Nevertheless, President Obama has vehemently defended the abortion group.

In 2012, Planned Parenthood said, while announcing a $1.4 million ad buy on his behalf, that they had “no greater champion” than President Obama.

During his time in the Illinois Senate, Obama’s devotion to abortion was so extreme that he argued a form of infanticide should remain legal out of fear that protecting infants born alive might somehow protect young humans in the womb.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/05/obama-killing-humans-and-harvesting-their-organs-is-an-atrocity-that-must-end/

You must be trolling, you are a mod dude. You can't be this stupid can you? I mean, this whistleblower is wrong, flat out wrong as evidenced above. You then come back with shit like this?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 05, 2015, 06:07:49 PM
If it's going to medical research then yeah somewhere way down the road there might be some profit but it could well be going to purely research

either way

so what?

Planned Parenthood is not making any profit and as you said, it's probably a loss for them



Eh, like I said , the way those doctors were being so cavalier about the fate of these fetuses and making jokes I think was not only in poor taste, but a bit morally reprehensible. I didn't see the need to start a thread about it, but reading this thread elicited some thoughts so I decided to jump in. Again, like I said, to each their own. I am not going to cram my views down another's throat, but I will make opinion noted. Just as I think that idiot dentist is getting what he deserves with the picketing etc., that these people too are getting a bit of what they deserve. Hopefully no one takes it further than just some picketing and a bit of "civil disobedience ".  I would hate to see some whacko go shooting up this ladies house.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 05, 2015, 06:23:29 PM
Hahaha. You'll agree with anything straw and 240 put out and visa versa. Like a circle jerk. lol

Have you checked to see how much it would cost for you to get a few more brain cells from the Planned Parenthood price list?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 05, 2015, 08:04:55 PM
Eh, like I said , the way those doctors were being so cavalier about the fate of these fetuses and making jokes I think was not only in poor taste, but a bit morally reprehensible. I didn't see the need to start a thread about it, but reading this thread elicited some thoughts so I decided to jump in. Again, like I said, to each their own. I am not going to cram my views down another's throat, but I will make opinion noted. Just as I think that idiot dentist is getting what he deserves with the picketing etc., that these people too are getting a bit of what they deserve. Hopefully no one takes it further than just some picketing and a bit of "civil disobedience ".  I would hate to see some whacko go shooting up this ladies house.

you certainly free to express your views but it seems we both agree that Planned Parenthood is profiting from this.

How do you feel about this group putting out these highly edited videos to try to create a false image of that?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 06, 2015, 02:31:33 AM
you certainly free to express your views but it seems we both agree that Planned Parenthood is profiting from this.

How do you feel about this group putting out these highly edited videos to try to create a false image of that?

I realize that it's hard to ever get an unbiased view or opinion on something. That in most cases (this one included) someone always has an agenda. I try to read between the lines with most news, and form my own opinions. I'm under no delusions that the makers of this video want to portray something in a certain light, and by doing so may have not adhered 100% to some sort of journalistic code. It doesn't change what this doctor said though, as she did say these things, but I am well aware these videos are highly edited. None of us are perfect, and I'm sure that on any given day any of us could be caught in a situation that doesn't paint ourselves in the best light.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Necrosis on August 06, 2015, 02:52:14 AM
Eh, like I said , the way those doctors were being so cavalier about the fate of these fetuses and making jokes I think was not only in poor taste, but a bit morally reprehensible. I didn't see the need to start a thread about it, but reading this thread elicited some thoughts so I decided to jump in. Again, like I said, to each their own. I am not going to cram my views down another's throat, but I will make opinion noted. Just as I think that idiot dentist is getting what he deserves with the picketing etc., that these people too are getting a bit of what they deserve. Hopefully no one takes it further than just some picketing and a bit of "civil disobedience ".  I would hate to see some whacko go shooting up this ladies house.

To be honest, they almost have to be cold and distant, humour probably helps. Surgeons are the same way.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 06, 2015, 04:56:40 AM
She nailed it.

Senator Elizabeth Warren, on the Senate floor yesterday -

"I come to the Senate floor today to ask my Republican colleagues a question: Do you have any idea what year it is? Did you fall down, hit your head, and think you woke up in the 1950s? Or the 1890s? Should we call for a doctor?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 06, 2015, 05:20:19 AM
She nailed it.

Senator Elizabeth Warren, on the Senate floor yesterday -

"I come to the Senate floor today to ask my Republican colleagues a question: Do you have any idea what year it is? Did you fall down, hit your head, and think you woke up in the 1950s? Or the 1890s? Should we call for a doctor?

I dislike her.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Necrosis on August 06, 2015, 07:21:36 AM
I dislike her.

she is 100% correct, they are retarded for attempting this shit. It prevents so many abortions it's laughable, it would be a fucking unmitigated disaster.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 06, 2015, 07:51:28 AM
I dislike her.

So do time warp Republicans.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: headhuntersix on August 06, 2015, 08:11:13 AM
Its awful...and sad but I really don't care all that much. The dems love this shit because no matter what its the law, they don't really care and it keeps important shit like iran/isis/libya/keystone/bullshitclimateclaims/immigration/Hilary/scandals/ etc etc etc...out of the spotlight. They can't loose. The repubs or the ones that beat this horse are retards. They are making a a case, and perhaps a correct one against abortion. The Dems are portraying it as a war on women, a war on contraception...a war on women's health. Yeah cause no repub uses birth control, or is married to a woman. But the dems win on it. Say its awful....get on with it.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Necrosis on August 06, 2015, 09:15:16 AM
Its awful...and sad but I really don't care all that much. The dems love this shit because no matter what its the law, they don't really care and it keeps important shit like iran/isis/libya/keystone/bullshitclimateclaims/immigration/Hilary/scandals/ etc etc etc...out of the spotlight. They can't loose. The repubs or the ones that beat this horse are retards. They are making a a case, and perhaps a correct one against abortion. The Dems are portraying it as a war on women, a war on contraception...a war on women's health. Yeah cause no repub uses birth control, or is married to a woman. But the dems win on it. Say its awful....get on with it.

listen, if you defund something that has proven to reduce teen pregnancy, provides protection and contraception, education etc. most of these morons should be sterile, it will cost way more money to take care of this kid (burden to society), it will be crippling if removed.

The last thing we need is more welfare cases.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 06, 2015, 09:55:14 AM
You must be trolling, you are a mod dude. You can't be this stupid can you? I mean, this whistleblower is wrong, flat out wrong as evidenced above. You then come back with shit like this?

An admitted troll is asking me if I'm trolling?  Funny.   :)

You are telling me I'm a mod, as if (a) I don't know that and (b) that actually has some relevance to this thread.  

Asking me if I'm stupid then completely misunderstanding what a whistleblower is?  Again, funny.  All they are doing is playing video of people in their own words.  There is nothing "flat out wrong" about the words coming out of those people's mouths, unless you have watched the clips and concluded they are actually lying.  

I'll go out on a limb and say you probably haven't watched the clips.  


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 06, 2015, 09:56:47 AM
listen, if you defund something that has proven to reduce teen pregnancy, provides protection and contraception, education etc. most of these morons should be sterile, it will cost way more money to take care of this kid (burden to society), it will be crippling if removed.

The last thing we need is more welfare cases.

Abortion as a form of social engineering.  Margaret Sanger approved. 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 06, 2015, 09:58:18 AM
Powerful commentary.

Planned Parenthood videos and the killing of innocents
By Judge Andrew P. Napolitano 
Published August 06, 2015 
FoxNews.com

(http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/opinion/2015/08/06/slaughter-babies/_jcr_content/par/featured-media/media-0.img.jpg/876/493/1438874654616.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
 FILE -- July 28, 2015: Andrew Ward, left, and Bill Pauls discuss their positions on abortion during a rally across the street from the Planned Parenthood of Kansas and Mid-Missouri in Columbia, Mo. (Don Shrubshell/Columbia Daily Tribune via AP)

The recent broadcast of videotapes taken of persons employed at Planned Parenthood -- the prolific and notorious abortion provider -- has brought the issue of abortion to the national consciousness again and front and center to the Republican presidential primary campaign. The tapes were made secretly by a pro-life group determined to show to the world the dark side of Planned Parenthood’s use of federal funds.

What the world saw was terrifying and damning. The tapes are difficult to watch, just as any discussion of human slaughter is difficult to watch. If you have seen these tapes, you witnessed physicians and others talking about the profits Planned Parenthood is making in the sale of baby body parts, even though such sales are criminal under federal law.

The cavalier demeanor of those who profit from this slaughter is chilling, and the moral punch in the nose to the Democratic Party is excruciating. That’s because Planned Parenthood is virtually a branch of the Democratic Party. It has a lock on the federal treasury to the tune of $500 million per year. It pays for or performs more than 325,000 abortions a year, which is about one-third of all abortions in America. It contributes heavily to the campaigns of Democratic office seekers. You can see the cycle.

Even though federal law has prohibited the use of federal funds for abortions for nearly 18 years, money is fungible. The Planned Parenthood folks may be baby killers, but they are not dumb. They know how to dedicate federal funds for maternal health and free up maternal health funds for the slaughter of babies -- and make it all look legal.

Seeing is believing. The tapes are the abortionists’ nightmare, because in their wanton slaughter they have let slip the utter humanity of their victims.

The reason these tapes are so upsetting to the Democrats, and to some Republicans as well, is that they have convinced themselves that the fetus in the womb is not a person. Yet, watching their abortionists graphically discuss the monetary value of body parts and the physical manipulation of fully formed babies so as to maximize the harvesting of their organs ironically humanizes the body parts and the babies from which the parts came, and is thus so upsetting to those who deny fetal personhood.

But this is more than upsetting -- it seriously challenges the underlying commitment of today’s Democratic Party that the fetus is not a person. This is, of course, the central holding of the Supreme Court’s 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade. Just as in Dred Scott v. Sandford, wherein the court held in 1857 that African-Americans were not persons, so did Roe v. Wade make that holding for fetuses.

And the stated reason for the holding was the absence of consensus in 1973 among philosophers, physicians, theologians and scientists about when life begins. Yet, the duty of the court is to say what the Constitution means, not to count noses. Roe is the only Supreme Court decision in history grounded on the absence of discernible consensus among the populace.

Is the fetus in the womb a person? Before answering this, consider the depravity to which we have sunk due to its legal non-personhood. The slaughter of babies, some where it is legal in their ninth month of gestation, the sale of their body parts, and the taxpayer financing of this have become so morose that even their staunchest supporters cannot confront these realities publicly for fear of losing political support.

Is the fetus in the womb a person? Before answering this, consider the danger of a Supreme Court possessing the power to declare any human offspring to be a non-person. Two months ago, we witnessed the spectacle of the court finding four plain English words -- “established by the States” -- to be ambiguous and, 21 pages later, telling us that legally those words do not mean what they say. If the court can change the meaning of ordinary words, can it change the meaning of life?

It has.

Is the fetus in the womb a person? Of course it is. It has two fully human parents and the fully actualizable human genome to achieve post-natal existence. The single-cell zygote in the mother’s womb came from her flesh and cannot be anything but a human person. For 600 years, the law has permitted the fetus in the womb to inherit property. How could that be if the fetus were not a human person? If you kill a pregnant woman and the fetus dies, you can be charged with the murder of two persons. If the reason for government in the first place is to protect rights, the government’s prime obligation is to protect the rights of persons to live.

The Democrats are not alone at fault here. In the first six years of the presidency of George W. Bush, when the Republicans controlled the White House and the Congress, numerous efforts were made to introduce a simple one-line statute: “The fetus in the womb shall be, for all constitutional and legal purposes, a person.” Republican congressional leaders kept all such proposals from being voted upon.

But seeing is believing. The tapes are the abortionists’ nightmare, because in their wanton slaughter they have let slip the utter humanity of their victims. And the souls of the Holy Innocents who have been slaughtered before drawing their first breaths are no doubt praying for the conversion of the hearts and the salvation of the souls of those who killed them.

Andrew P. Napolitano, a former judge of the Superior Court of New Jersey, is the senior judicial analyst at Fox News Channel.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/08/06/slaughter-babies.html?intcmp=hplnws


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Necrosis on August 06, 2015, 10:58:07 AM
An admitted troll is asking me if I'm trolling?  Funny.   :)

You are telling me I'm a mod, as if (a) I don't know that and (b) that actually some relevance to this thread. 

Asking me if I'm stupid then completely misunderstanding what a whistleblower is?  Again, funny.  All they are doing is playing video of people in their own words.  There is nothing "flat out wrong" about the words coming out of those people's mouths, unless you have watched the clips and concluded they are actually lying. 

I'll go out on a limb and say you probably haven't watched the clips. 

where did I mis-understand what a whistleblower is? this is a doctored video, nothing to see here, move along.

If you read my post, it is in relation to defunding planned parenthood, what do you think I am referring to? they are wrong, it's been proven, the numbers don't lie. WE NEED MORE TEEN PREGNANCIES AND WELFARE BABIES

you clearly don't understand what a whistleblower is as this is bullshit, made up non-sense.

what did they blow the whistle on? the fact that they are not making profit as implied?

I have yet to see one fucking fact and you guys just keep repeating the same lie, despite being shown it;s wrong. Keep going, we should check out benghazi since no one looked into also.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 06, 2015, 11:35:59 AM
where did I mis-understand what a whistleblower is? this is a doctored video, nothing to see here, move along.

If you read my post, it is in relation to defunding planned parenthood, what do you think I am referring to? they are wrong, it's been proven, the numbers don't lie. WE NEED MORE TEEN PREGNANCIES AND WELFARE BABIES

you clearly don't understand what a whistleblower is as this is bullshit, made up non-sense.

what did they blow the whistle on? the fact that they are not making profit as implied?

I have yet to see one fucking fact and you guys just keep repeating the same lie, despite being shown it;s wrong. Keep going, we should check out benghazi since no one looked into also.

You responded to my post about these latest rounds of videos and the president's inconsistency when it comes to harvesting body parts.  Those videos aren't technically dealing with whistleblowers.  They are people showing video clips. They are not PP employees exposing misconduct, which is more like a traditional whistleblower. 

I understand you think we need more abortions to prevent "welfare babies."  That isn't factual.  It's also a pretty despicable form of social engineering. 

You haven't watched the clips about the sale of dead babies and dead baby body parts for profit, so you don't even know what the "facts" are in this scenario.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 06, 2015, 11:38:06 AM
where did I mis-understand what a whistleblower is? this is a doctored video, nothing to see here, move along.

If you read my post, it is in relation to defunding planned parenthood, what do you think I am referring to? they are wrong, it's been proven, the numbers don't lie. WE NEED MORE TEEN PREGNANCIES AND WELFARE BABIES

you clearly don't understand what a whistleblower is as this is bullshit, made up non-sense.

what did they blow the whistle on? the fact that they are not making profit as implied?

I have yet to see one fucking fact and you guys just keep repeating the same lie, despite being shown it;s wrong. Keep going, we should check out benghazi since no one looked into also.

Obviously, some party thinks we do.
Guess the color of the poorest states.
Guess the color of the states with the highest rate of unwed/teen pregnancies.



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 06, 2015, 03:38:52 PM
I realize that it's hard to ever get an unbiased view or opinion on something. That in most cases (this one included) someone always has an agenda. I try to read between the lines with most news, and form my own opinions. I'm under no delusions that the makers of this video want to portray something in a certain light, and by doing so may have not adhered 100% to some sort of journalistic code. It doesn't change what this doctor said though, as she did say these things, but I am well aware these videos are highly edited. None of us are perfect, and I'm sure that on any given day any of us could be caught in a situation that doesn't paint ourselves in the best light.

the are edited with the sole purpose of misleading you

I doubt anyone (other than people who work in the medical field) like the casual way that these people talk about the subject but the fact remains that this woman in the first video said over and over again that this is not a money making thing, they don't make a profit etc.. and all of that was left out.

You were smart enough to realize this but others on here have been are still are completely duped (this is of course willful ignorance on their part)

When I know someone is intentionally misleading me then their entire credibility goes out the window and nothing they say matters to me


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 06, 2015, 03:42:24 PM
To be honest, they almost have to be cold and distant, humour probably helps. Surgeons are the same way.

check this on out

the dude leaves his cell phone on during an coloscopy and records the doctors talking all kinds of shit about him

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/anesthesiologist-trashes-sedated-patient-jury-orders-her-to-pay-500000/2015/06/23/cae05c00-18f3-11e5-ab92-c75ae6ab94b5_story.html


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 07, 2015, 01:09:02 PM
Alabama Becomes Third State to Defund Planned Parenthood
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=9c451627-ad11-46b8-8941-38ac00734bff&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
Image: Alabama Becomes Third State to Defund Planned Parenthood (Getty Images)
By Cathy Burke   |   Thursday, 06 Aug 2015

Alabama's Republican Gov. Robert Bentley is choking off funds for Planned Parenthood under Medicaid, the third state to move against the organization amid a controversy over the group's sale of fetal tissue.

The decision, announced Thursday, follows a similar move in Louisiana to cancel the Medicaid contract there.

Separately, New Hampshire's executive council rejected a family planning contract for Planned Parenthood, The Hill reports.

A Senate vote to defund the group federally failed Monday.

"The deplorable practices at Planned Parenthood have been exposed to Americans, and I have terminated any association with the organization in Alabama," Bentley said in a statement.

"As a doctor and Alabama's Governor, the issue of human life, from conception to birth and beyond, is extremely important to me. I respect human life, and I do not want Alabama to be associated with an organization that does not."

The furor over federal funding to Planned Parenthood comes after disturbing undercover videos – taken by an anti-abortion group – have shown Planned Parenthood officials discussing the price of fetal tissue for medical research.

Planned Parenthood denies wrongdoing, and says compensation was legal and covered expenses only.

Bentley wrote a letter to Planned Parenthood saying the state is exercising its ability to terminate the Medicaid contract within 15 days' written notice. It gives the group 60 days to ask for a fair hearing if it disputes the move.

Nationwide, Planned Parenthood receives about 75 percent of its roughly $500 million in annual government funding from Medicaid, The Hill reports.

Planned Parenthood Southeast CEO Staci Fox issued a statement in response to the governor's announcement.

"We are disappointed that Governor Bentley has been distracted by a deceptive attack against our organization instead of staying focused on what really matters to women in Alabama," Planned Parenthood Southeast CEO Staci Fox said in a statement, AL.com reports.

"What Alabamians need is more access to health care, not less."

Fox added that federal courts have ruled federal law prohibits state from excluding abortion providers from Medicaid, AL.com reports.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/alabama-defund-planned-parenthood/2015/08/06/id/665854/#ixzz3iAKsKx8B


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 07, 2015, 01:18:58 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Great - I assume fundies will be stepping up to adopt all those unwanted babies



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 07, 2015, 04:57:25 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Great - I assume fundies will be stepping up to adopt all those unwanted babies



I don't know what the answer is. It's pretty sad. After having children, my views have changed. I never had a girl get an abortion or anything, because I took precautions, but I think that it's a terrible thing if it is just being used for convenience. Again, as I stated earlier in this thread, each person has to mKe their own decision and deal with the consequences on their own.

Straw, what are your personal views on abortion, if you don't mid me asking?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 07, 2015, 07:06:45 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Great - I assume fundies will be stepping up to adopt all those unwanted babies




HAHAHAHA.   They don't even want them to have healthcare. 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 07, 2015, 07:14:09 PM
I don't know what the answer is. It's pretty sad. After having children, my views have changed. I never had a girl get an abortion or anything, because I took precautions, but I think that it's a terrible thing if it is just being used for convenience. Again, as I stated earlier in this thread, each person has to mKe their own decision and deal with the consequences on their own.

Straw, what are your personal views on abortion, if you don't mid me asking?

Very simple, I think a woman has a right to do whatever she wants with her own body period

totally her choice and no one else

i.e. I support the law exactly as it is


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 08, 2015, 05:01:55 AM
Very simple, I think a woman has a right to do whatever she wants with her own body period

totally her choice and no one else

i.e. I support the law exactly as it is

Do you ever think our society, with as litigious as it is, will ever see a father sue a mother who chooses to abort his child, or where a father who wants the abortion and the woman does not, not be liable for child support?  While intend to agree that it is the woman's choice with what she ultimately decides, I find it a bit wrong that the father has no legal say. I doubt the two issues I have proposed ever arise, but I don't find it out of the realm of possibility.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 08, 2015, 07:22:34 AM
Do you ever think our society, with as litigious as it is, will ever see a father sue a mother who chooses to abort his child, or where a father who wants the abortion and the woman does not, not be liable for child support?  While intend to agree that it is the woman's choice with what she ultimately decides, I find it a bit wrong that the father has no legal say. I doubt the two issues I have proposed ever arise, but I don't find it out of the realm of possibility.

I've had this discussion on this board many times before

The rules are really simple.  If you're a guy and you don't want to have to pay child support then don't leave your seed in her womb.  Once you break that rule you're subject to child support or having the women get an abortion if she chooses to do so (even if you don't want her to)

It's really simple

It's her body and you have no say over it


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 12, 2015, 06:20:03 AM
I've had this discussion on this board many times before

The rules are really simple.  If you're a guy and you don't want to have to pay child support then don't leave your seed in her womb.  Once you break that rule you're subject to child support or having the women get an abortion if she chooses to do so (even if you don't want her to)

It's really simple

It's her body and you have no say over it

its about personal responsibility on the man's part.

if you can't take the consequences of having sex.  don't have sex.

if you don't want to have a baby, wear a fucking condom.  if you choose not to, then you have a life to take care of because, as a man, if you create a life, you are morally obligated to protect that life.

women have recourse for a irresponsible sexual decision, men do not. 

GET FUCKING USED TO IT.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 12, 2015, 08:13:19 AM
its about personal responsibility on the man's part.

if you can't take the consequences of having sex.  don't have sex.

if you don't want to have a baby, wear a fucking condom.  if you choose not to, then you have a life to take care of because, as a man, if you create a life, you are morally obligated to protect that life.

women have recourse for a irresponsible sexual decision, men do not. 

GET FUCKING USED TO IT.

Agreed. No need to yell.  ;D


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 12, 2015, 09:00:53 AM
Agreed. No need to yell.  ;D

for women life starts when the baby leaves the hospital.

for men, life begins at conception.

these are our new rules.  enjoy.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 12, 2015, 11:22:56 AM
for women life starts when the baby leaves the hospital.

for men, life begins at conception.

these are our new rules.  enjoy.

Life just isn't always fair.  :-\

I just do the best I can and make the right choices for me and my family.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 12, 2015, 11:31:03 AM
Whole lotta red states in this list showing just how anti abortion Republicans really are.

 25 States with Most Abortions

Is abortion a crime against the unborn or an important medical procedure that helps women control their own bodies and destines?

Americans are unlikely to agree anytime soon. But whether or not you think it's a good thing, a new study from the Guttmacher Institute suggests abortions are a common thing.

Half of all pregnancies are unintended, according to the report which studies numbers from 2008. And of those, four out of ten end in abortion.

Good, bad, or otherwise? You decide. Here are the 25 states with the highest rates of abortion, ranked by percentage, not total abortions.

25: Tennessee

2008 Abortion Rate

15.5 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

19,550 total abortions

24: Colorado

2008 Abortion Rate

15.7 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

15,960 total abortions

23: Louisiana

2008 Abortion Rate

16.1 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

14,860 total abortions Louisiana

22: Texas

2008 Abortion Rate

16.5 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

84,610 total abortions

21: Pennsylvania

2008 Abortion Rate

17 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

41,000 total abortions

20: Oregon

2008 Abortion Rate

17.3 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

12,900 total abortions

19: North Carolina

2008 Abortion Rate

17.5 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

33,140 total abortions

18: Virginia

2008 Abortion Rate

17.6 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

28,520 total abortions

17: Washington State

2008 Abortion Rate

18.3 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

24,320 total abortions

16: Massachusetts

2008 Abortion Rate

18.3 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

24,900 total abortions

15: Michigan

2008 Abortion Rate

18.4 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

36,790 total abortions

14: Georgia

2008 Abortion Rate

19.2 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

39,820 total abortions

13: Kansas

2008 Abortion Rate

19.2 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

10,620 total abortions

12: Illinois

2008 Abortion Rate

20.5 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

54,920 total abortions

11: Hawaii

2008 Abortion Rate

22.6 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

5,630 total abortions

10: Rhode Island

2008 Abortion Rate

22.9 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

5,000 total abortions

09: Connecticut

2008 Abortion Rate

24.6 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

17,030 total abortions

08: Nevada

2008 Abortion Rate

25.9 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

13,450 total abortions

07: Florida

2008 Abortion Rate

27.2 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

94,360 total abortions

06: California

2008 Abortion Rate

27.6 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

214,190 total abortions

05: Maryland

2008 Abortion Rate

29 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

34,290 total abortions

04: Washington D.C.

2008 Abortion Rate

29.9 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

4,450 total abortions

03: New Jersey

2008 Abortion Rate

31.3 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

54,160 total abortions

02: New York

2008 Abortion Rate

37.6 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

153,160 total abortions

01: Delaware

2008 Abortion Rate

40 abortions per 1,000 women (15-44)

7,070 total abortions


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 12, 2015, 11:51:18 AM
its about personal responsibility on the man's part.

if you can't take the consequences of having sex.  don't have sex.

if you don't want to have a baby, wear a fucking condom.  if you choose not to, then you have a life to take care of because, as a man, if you create a life, you are morally obligated to protect that life.

women have recourse for a irresponsible sexual decision, men do not. 

GET FUCKING USED TO IT.

I'm perfectly fine with that

why the caps?

maybe you're not aware that women have the MUCH LARGER ADDITIONAL BURDEN from pregnancy hence they get an extra choice

GET FUCKING USED TO IT.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 12, 2015, 12:32:24 PM
I'm perfectly fine with that

why the caps?

maybe you're not aware that women have the MUCH LARGER ADDITIONAL BURDEN from pregnancy hence they get an extra choice

GET FUCKING USED TO IT.

you're being lied to..........

that's what people say who don't actually have kids.  when you're raising kids together with your wife, the pregnancy is EASILY, BY FAR, WITHOUT QUESTION, the easiest part of raising children.  

essentially what young liberal fucktards try to sell you (liberal male with no children) is that my kids weren't really mine until we brought them home from the hospital.

and to that I simply say, "FUCK YOU".  it's so offensive on so many levels but you allow people to say it simply because you've been conditioned to ignore that type of disrespect from your television set.

my kids were just as much mine as they were hers from conception until today.  I saw them in the ultrasound.  I saw them moving and responding to us when they were 4-5 months into gestation.  those were OUR kids.  not hers.  not mine.  OURS.  

you're being sold a lie.  and you toe the line the way liberal men are supposed to toe the line.  letting women tell you when your children are your children.

I find it funny that people complain when the men in this country don't step up and be the fathers that they should be.  but at the same time they spew this bullshit rhetoric they learn from feminazis from which they are so desperately trying to gain approval.  this type of rhetoric encapsulates the pussification of the American male perfectly.

when you have kids you'll understand this.................hop efully.  otherwise I hope you don't have sons.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 12, 2015, 01:01:56 PM
you're being lied to..........

that's what people say who don't actually have kids.  when you're raising kids together with your wife, the pregnancy is EASILY, BY FAR, WITHOUT QUESTION, the easiest part of raising children.  

essentially what young liberal fucktards try to sell you (liberal male with no children) is that my kids weren't really mine until we brought them home from the hospital.

and to that I simply say, "FUCK YOU".  it's so offensive on so many levels but you allow people to say it simply because you've been conditioned to ignore that type of disrespect from your television set.

my kids were just as much mine as they were hers from conception until today.  I saw them in the ultrasound.  I saw them moving and responding to us when they were 4-5 months into gestation.  those were OUR kids.  not hers.  not mine.  OURS.  

you're being sold a lie.  and you toe the line the way liberal men are supposed to toe the line.  letting women tell you when your children are your children.

I find it funny that people complain when the men in this country don't step up and be the fathers that they should be.  but at the same time they spew this bullshit rhetoric they learn from feminazis from which they are so desperately trying to gain approval.  this type of rhetoric encapsulates the pussification of the American male perfectly.

when you have kids you'll understand this.................hop efully.  otherwise I hope you don't have sons.

please explain how the man and woman are equal in terms of having to deal with a pregnancy

you can start by telling me how many men have died during childbirth and we'll move on from there


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 12, 2015, 01:24:51 PM
please explain how the man and woman are equal in terms of having to deal with a pregnancy

you can start by telling me how many men have died during childbirth and we'll move on from there

none.  men can't get pregnant dude.

just because men and women play different roles in the raising of children does not mean that the man's role is any less important and does not mean that the child inside the woman is any less his than it is hers. 

but you're being conditioned to believe that the woman's role IS more important and that the child is not his until she decides that it is.  and this is the type of reasoning that is permeating our society.  because this type of reasoning is being pounded into your head every day through tv, radio, internet, etc.  she has to be the one who gets pregnant.  therefore motherhood > fatherhood.  and the baby is HERS, not HIS, until she says so.

and then people wonder why men feel like they have the right to walk away from a pregnancy.  it's because of rhetoric like this.  unwanted pregnancies and fatherless children isn't a birth control access issue or a government funding issue.  it is a cultural issue.  people simply don't want to face this fact.  if it wasn't so sad it would be hilarious. 

people who think like you are perpetuating this problem.  which is why even with 10,000 times better access to birth control all of our problems with regards to fatherless kids and abortion still exist. 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 12, 2015, 01:37:20 PM
none.  men can't get pregnant dude.

just because men and women play different roles in the raising of children does not mean that the man's role is any less important and does not mean that the child inside the woman is any less his than it is hers. 

but you're being conditioned to believe that the woman's role IS more important and that the child is not his until she decides that it is.  and this is the type of reasoning that is permeating our society.  because this type of reasoning is being pounded into your head every day through tv, radio, internet, etc.  she has to be the one who gets pregnant.  therefore motherhood > fatherhood.  and the baby is HERS, not HIS, until she says so.

and then people wonder why men feel like they have the right to walk away from a pregnancy.  it's because of rhetoric like this.  unwanted pregnancies and fatherless children isn't a birth control access issue or a government funding issue.  it is a cultural issue.  people simply don't want to face this fact.  if it wasn't so sad it would be hilarious. 

people who think like you are perpetuating this problem.  which is why even with 10,000 times better access to birth control all of our problems with regards to fatherless kids and abortion still exist. 


I'm not talking about parenting or raising kids

I'm talking about PREGNANCY

Women have that extra burden that men don't have.

They are the ones getting pregnant so they have the choice on what to do with their body

You get no say over anyones body other than your own

So again, their body and SOLELY their right to choose what to do

If you don't like that then don't leave your seed in her womb


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 12, 2015, 01:45:18 PM
I'm not talking about parenting or raising kids

I'm talking about PREGNANCY

Women have that extra burden that men don't have.

They are the ones getting pregnant so they have the choice on what to do with their body

You get no say over anyones body other than your own

So again, their body and SOLELY their right to choose what to do

If you don't like that then don't leave your seed in her womb

why aren't you telling the women the same thing?   

"if you don't want to have a baby, don't let a man put his seed in your womb"

why aren't you as tough on them as you are on men?  I know why.  it's called conditioning.

and again you're of the opinion that when my wife was pregnant that those weren't my kids...........yet. 

YOU'RE JUST SIMPLY WRONG.  they were always mine. 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 12, 2015, 01:56:53 PM
why aren't you telling the women the same thing?  

"if you don't want to have a baby, don't let a man put his seed in your womb"

why aren't you as tough on them as you are on men?  I know why.  it's called conditioning.

and again you're of the opinion that when my wife was pregnant that those weren't my kids...........yet.  

YOU'RE JUST SIMPLY WRONG.  they were always mine.  

LOL @ conditioning

your children were your kids once they were born

I've got news for you my friend

your wife could have chosen to get an abortion (within the legal time frame of course) and there wouldn't have been a damn thing you could do about it

repeat after me

Her Body so Her Choice


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 12, 2015, 02:09:47 PM
LOL @ conditioning

your children were your kids once they were born

I've got news for you my friend

your wife could have chosen to get an abortion (within the legal time frame of course) and there wouldn't have been a damn thing you could do about it

repeat after me

Her Body so Her Choice

oh right that moment when it becomes human.  when is that again?  oh it varies by state?  wow you liberals have this science thing nailed down. 

her body her choice?  again why aren't you spouting off to her that she made the choice to have sex and let a man dump his seed into her?  you're awful quick to give a hard line to men but not so much to women.  why?

it's because you're like every other feminized and infected liberal pseudo man. 

please don't have sons.  abort until you get that daughter.



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 12, 2015, 02:27:41 PM
oh right that moment when it becomes human.  when is that again?  oh it varies by state?  wow you liberals have this science thing nailed down.  

her body her choice?  again why aren't you spouting off to her that she made the choice to have sex and let a man dump his seed into her?  you're awful quick to give a hard line to men but not so much to women.  why?

it's because you're like every other feminized and infected liberal pseudo man.  

please don't have sons.  abort until you get that daughter.


reduced to name calling I see

you must be frustrated

I guess "real" men like you think once they drop their retarded seed in a womb that they've planted their man flag and now they own that territory

and have a right to tell the woman what to do

I'd be fine if the woman got an abortion and handed you the fetus and then you can do with it whatever you'd like

that seems fair don't you think?



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 12, 2015, 04:47:33 PM
reduced to name calling I see

you must be frustrated

I guess "real" men like you think once they drop their retarded seed in a womb that they've planted their man flag and now they own that territory

and have a right to tell the woman what to do

I'd be fine if the woman got an abortion and handed you the fetus and then you can do with it whatever you'd like

that seems fair don't you think?




Damn.

QFT.

Damn.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 12, 2015, 04:57:06 PM
Because, he's you know... an idiot.

Ted Cruz Pledges Support For Constitutional Amendment Banning Birth Control

While everyone is still transfixed by the outrage reality show that is the Trump campaign, other candidates like Ted Cruz have been scrambling behind the scenes trying to gather support wherever they can. When the Trump bubble finally pops and the whole thing goes down in flames, the most likely people to court his current supporters are Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz. (Bobby Jindal may even be further right than those two, but despite all of his desperate attempts to outdo Donald Trump and get attention, he is less popular than Hillary Clinton, in his own state of Louisiana.)

The biggest prize for 2016 GOP presidential candidates is the evangelical conservatives who are adamantly against abortion for any reason, as well as some popular forms of birth control like the IUD which they also consider to be abortion. They believe that once a sperm fertilizes an egg, anything that prevents that egg from turning into a fetus, is the same thing as abortion. I know this sounds strange to some of us, but this is actually what they think, and I can confirm that the anti-choice activists in my family subscribe to this mindset. So that’s where Ted Cruz comes in. Cruz pledged last week to the extreme anti-choice Georgia Right to Life group that he would support a personhood amendment that would declare fertilized eggs to be human beings.

Georgia Right to Life, one of the most outspoken proponents of the movement to grant legal “personhood” to fertilized eggs and fetuses, has endorsed Sen. Ted Cruz for president after he signed their candidate pledge promising to “support a personhood amendment to the U.S. Constitution.” GRTL’s pledge, which the group says Cruz signed, asks candidates to affirm that “a continuum of human life and personhood begins at the moment of fertilization” and promise to protect “the civil rights of the pre-born at an embryonic or fetal level.” In practice, personhood would not only criminalize all abortions, it could also endanger some common forms of birth control and put women who have suffered miscarriages at risk of prosecution. The Georgia group’s advocacy of sweeping personhood measures to ban abortion is so radical that it caused it to split from the National Right to Life Committee. (Source) Yes, these people were too radical for the already extreme National Right to Life Committee, and that was just fine with Ted Cruz. Not content just to defund Planned Parenthood or place serious restrictions on a woman’s right to choose, they also want to ban certain types of birth control which would prevent the need for an abortion in the first place. Ted Cruz isn’t the only Republican candidate who holds extreme anti-abortion beliefs, but he is the one who stands to benefit the most once the Trump campaign eventually fizzles out due to his other extreme views. While other candidates have attacked Trump, Cruz has made it a point to get into his good graces, an advantageous position to be in once the inevitable happens.

There’s no bones about it, if Ted Cruz were to secure the GOP nomination and somehow win the White House, we would have the most radically conservative, anti-choice president in American history. Unlike some of the other Republican contenders, Ted Cruz has a very good shot at winning the nomination due to his cozy relationship with the Koch brothers and their super PACs, as well as his strong support from the religious right. These anti-choice extremists don’t just want to ban abortion, they want to take away birth control as well, and that’s exactly what Ted Cruz has pledged to do.

Read more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/ted-cruz-pledges-support-for-constitutional-amendment-banning-birth-control/



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: whork on August 13, 2015, 05:50:15 AM
oh right that moment when it becomes human.  when is that again?  oh it varies by state?  wow you liberals have this science thing nailed down. 

her body her choice?  again why aren't you spouting off to her that she made the choice to have sex and let a man dump his seed into her?  you're awful quick to give a hard line to men but not so much to women.  why?

it's because you're like every other feminized and infected liberal pseudo man. 

please don't have sons.  abort until you get that daughter.

Do you consider a sperm cell a living organism?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 06:07:19 AM
reduced to name calling I see

you must be frustrated

I guess "real" men like you think once they drop their retarded seed in a womb that they've planted their man flag and now they own that territory

and have a right to tell the woman what to do

I'd be fine if the woman got an abortion and handed you the fetus and then you can do with it whatever you'd like

that seems fair don't you think?

I never said I have a right to tell a woman what to do.
the difference between men like me and men like you is that I recognize the fact that when I create a life I am responsible for it.

you as a pseudo American male, choose to go the pro choice route because you know that you may not want to take that responsibility.

men like you are the reason there are so many abortions.  period

it's funny that you're trying to paint the problem as too many men "claiming their territory" once they get a woman pregnant.  

it's quite the opposite.  and you know this. pseudo males like yourself who want to create more and more legislation so that the government can clean up after their cocks.  because it's a physical impossibility for pseudo males like yourself to clean up after their own.  I mean shit you don't even want to purchase contraception for yourself.  you want the government to do that for you too.  i'm surprised you even fuck the girls yourself anymore


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 06:08:50 AM
Do you consider a sperm cell a living organism?

NO.

now you answer this honestly.  do you really consider a baby 5 months into gestation any different physiologically speaking from a baby that is 2 hours old?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 06:25:09 AM
Because, he's you know... an idiot.

Ted Cruz Pledges Support For Constitutional Amendment Banning Birth Control

While everyone is still transfixed by the outrage reality show that is the Trump campaign, other candidates like Ted Cruz have been scrambling behind the scenes trying to gather support wherever they can. When the Trump bubble finally pops and the whole thing goes down in flames, the most likely people to court his current supporters are Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz. (Bobby Jindal may even be further right than those two, but despite all of his desperate attempts to outdo Donald Trump and get attention, he is less popular than Hillary Clinton, in his own state of Louisiana.)

The biggest prize for 2016 GOP presidential candidates is the evangelical conservatives who are adamantly against abortion for any reason, as well as some popular forms of birth control like the IUD which they also consider to be abortion. They believe that once a sperm fertilizes an egg, anything that prevents that egg from turning into a fetus, is the same thing as abortion. I know this sounds strange to some of us, but this is actually what they think, and I can confirm that the anti-choice activists in my family subscribe to this mindset. So that’s where Ted Cruz comes in. Cruz pledged last week to the extreme anti-choice Georgia Right to Life group that he would support a personhood amendment that would declare fertilized eggs to be human beings.

Georgia Right to Life, one of the most outspoken proponents of the movement to grant legal “personhood” to fertilized eggs and fetuses, has endorsed Sen. Ted Cruz for president after he signed their candidate pledge promising to “support a personhood amendment to the U.S. Constitution.” GRTL’s pledge, which the group says Cruz signed, asks candidates to affirm that “a continuum of human life and personhood begins at the moment of fertilization” and promise to protect “the civil rights of the pre-born at an embryonic or fetal level.” In practice, personhood would not only criminalize all abortions, it could also endanger some common forms of birth control and put women who have suffered miscarriages at risk of prosecution. The Georgia group’s advocacy of sweeping personhood measures to ban abortion is so radical that it caused it to split from the National Right to Life Committee. (Source) Yes, these people were too radical for the already extreme National Right to Life Committee, and that was just fine with Ted Cruz. Not content just to defund Planned Parenthood or place serious restrictions on a woman’s right to choose, they also want to ban certain types of birth control which would prevent the need for an abortion in the first place. Ted Cruz isn’t the only Republican candidate who holds extreme anti-abortion beliefs, but he is the one who stands to benefit the most once the Trump campaign eventually fizzles out due to his other extreme views. While other candidates have attacked Trump, Cruz has made it a point to get into his good graces, an advantageous position to be in once the inevitable happens.

There’s no bones about it, if Ted Cruz were to secure the GOP nomination and somehow win the White House, we would have the most radically conservative, anti-choice president in American history. Unlike some of the other Republican contenders, Ted Cruz has a very good shot at winning the nomination due to his cozy relationship with the Koch brothers and their super PACs, as well as his strong support from the religious right. These anti-choice extremists don’t just want to ban abortion, they want to take away birth control as well, and that’s exactly what Ted Cruz has pledged to do.

Read more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/ted-cruz-pledges-support-for-constitutional-amendment-banning-birth-control/


and you have no good scientific answer as to when life begins either.  so stop it.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 09:04:51 AM
reduced to name calling I see

you must be frustrated

I guess "real" men like you think once they drop their retarded seed in a womb that they've planted their man flag and now they own that territory

and have a right to tell the woman what to do

I'd be fine if the woman got an abortion and handed you the fetus and then you can do with it whatever you'd like
that seems fair don't you think?


LOL.  but is it fair if the woman has the baby and I tell her to do with it whatever she likes? 

i'm guessing no.

because you know.....that's........not..........fa ir.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 10:09:03 AM
I never said I have a right to tell a woman what to do.
the difference between men like me and men like you is that I recognize the fact that when I create a life I am responsible for it.

you as a pseudo American male, choose to go the pro choice route because you know that you may not want to take that responsibility.

men like you are the reason there are so many abortions.  period

it's funny that you're trying to paint the problem as too many men "claiming their territory" once they get a woman pregnant.  

it's quite the opposite.  and you know this. pseudo males like yourself who want to create more and more legislation so that the government can clean up after their cocks.  because it's a physical impossibility for pseudo males like yourself to clean up after their own.  I mean shit you don't even want to purchase contraception for yourself.  you want the government to do that for you too.  i'm surprised you even fuck the girls yourself anymore

Damn, you really like to just pull stuff out of  your ass don't  you

When did I EVER say that men should not be responsible for their children

please post that quote so that we can all understand how you drew that conclusion (try to keep in mind that I don't agree with you that a fetus is a child)

You seem to not understand (or are pretending to not understand) a very simple concept

The woman has the sole right to choose whether on not have an abortion (this goes for your wife too - regardless of what you may believe)

You can throw around all the insults that you want but that's the bottom line

If you don't agree with that then the only remaining conclusion is that you believe you have some say over what a woman does with her body

there are no other options



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: whork on August 13, 2015, 10:14:44 AM
NO.

Why not? Its alive.

now you answer this honestly.  do you really consider a baby 5 months into gestation any different physiologically speaking from a baby that is 2 hours old?

Do you perform adoptions on a baby/mother who is 5 month's pregnant? Waiting this long will put the mother at risk.



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 10:48:33 AM
LOL.  but is it fair if the woman has the baby and I tell her to do with it whatever she likes? 

i'm guessing no.

because you know.....that's........not..........fa ir.


are you really this dense?

again - the choice of having an abortion is the womans SOLE choice

you get no say

if a child is born then you are BOTH responsible

pretty simple isn't it

I'll make it even simpler for you since you seem kind of slow

If the women gets pregnant then she has the SOLE CHOICE on whether the two of  you become parents to a child




Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 11:23:23 AM
are you really this dense?

again - the choice of having an abortion is the womans SOLE choice

you get no say

if a child is born then you are BOTH responsible

pretty simple isn't it

I'll make it even simpler for you since you seem kind of slow

If the women gets pregnant then she has the SOLE CHOICE on whether the two of  you become parents to a child




you're sitting here repeating what the law is.  I know what the law says about babies and abortions. 

what i'm saying is that the law is complete and utter bullshit.

women have recourse for an irresponsible sexual decision.  men do not.  that's quite simply not fair.

if you are so clouded by your conditioning that you, as a man, don't see how unfair the law currently is, I can't help you. 

you're being lied to by feminazi's and believing every word because you are being trained to toe the line. 

you're a lost cause.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 11:27:12 AM
Do you perform adoptions on a baby/mother who is 5 month's pregnant? Waiting this long will put the mother at risk.

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no but they do perform surgeries on a 5 month gestated baby to save its life.  why?  I though it wasn't a life yet.  i'm assuming you think operating on a fetus is stupid right?  because its not a real baby according to you.  you should tell a mother whose fetus is being operated on that what she is doing is stupid and its not a real baby.

but your definition of a baby versus a piece of tissue depends on the intention of the mother.  

and this makes sense to you.

science is not behind your silly definition of life either.  so don't waste your breath ridiculing a pro life person's scientific basis for the definition of a life when yours is just as stupid.  


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 13, 2015, 11:28:50 AM
Lurker, whork, and Straw Man.  Do any of you have children?  


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 11:29:39 AM
you're sitting here repeating what the law is.  I know what the law says about babies and abortions. 

what i'm saying is that the law is complete and utter bullshit.

women have recourse for an irresponsible sexual decision.  men do not.  that's quite simply not fair.

if you are so clouded by your conditioning that you, as a man, don't see how unfair the law currently is, I can't help you. 

you're being lied to by feminazi's and believing every word because you are being trained to toe the line. 

you're a lost cause.

and I've told you before that women have "recourse" as you put it because they have the extra burden that men don't have

they are the ones that are pregnant

extra burden for women = extra choice for them (i.e. the choice as to whether you both become parents or not)

it's totally fair which is probably why it's the law





Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 11:32:13 AM
Lurker, whork, and Straw Man.  Do any of you have children? 

why are you asking me the same question which you asked me on page 5 and which I answered?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 11:33:48 AM
Lurker, whork, and Straw Man.  Do any of you have children? 

of course not.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 11:35:27 AM
and I've told you before that women have "recourse" as you put it because they have the extra burden that men don't have

they are the ones that are pregnant

extra burden for women = extra choice for them (i.e. the choice as to whether you both become parents or not)

it's totally fair which is probably why it's the law


oh God.  seriously??




Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 13, 2015, 11:35:44 AM
why are you asking me the same question which you asked me on page 5 and which I answered?

Edited and taken care of.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 11:38:34 AM
and I've told you before that women have "recourse" as you put it because they have the extra burden that men don't have

they are the ones that are pregnant

extra burden for women = extra choice for them (i.e. the choice as to whether you both become parents or not)

it's totally fair which is probably why it's the law


and men should be able to relinquish all rights to the child and not be forced to pay for it.  if she wants to go ahead and have it knowing that the father won't be there to help she can.

no one likes this idea though.  way too fair. 

FYI.  in my scenario NO ONE is being forced to do anything.  both parties have a choice.  which is why you won't like it.  it doesn't reek of man hating liberalism.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 11:38:38 AM
oh God.  seriously??

absolutely

what part of my statement don't you understand

the day that the woman can have the fetus removed an implanted in the man then the world will be "fair" for you.

I wish that would happen soon so guys like you would stop all the whining about how life is unfair


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 11:40:11 AM
and men should be able to relinquish all rights to the child and not be forced to pay for it.  if she wants to go ahead and have it knowing that the father won't be there to help she can.

no one likes this idea though.  way too fair.  

FYI.  in my scenario NO ONE is being forced to do anything.  both parties have a choice.  which is why you won't like it.  it doesn't reek of man hating liberalism.

nope, doesn't work that way

like I've said 2 or 3 times now

the woman gets the choice on whether you both become parents

period

you have the choice to not have sex if you don't like it or I guess you can "choose" to be gay instead


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 11:43:07 AM
nope, doesn't work that way

like I've said 2 or 3 times now

the woman gets the choice on whether you both become parents

period

you have the choice to not have sex if you don't like it or I guess you can "choose" to be gay instead

I know it doesn't work that way.  it should. 

she had the choice to have sex or not too.  funny you don't hold her accountable. 

but again not an anti man stance.  entirely too fair for both parties.  which is why you don't agree with it.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 11:46:59 AM
nope, doesn't work that way

like I've said 2 or 3 times now

the woman gets the choice on whether you both become parents

period

you have the choice to not have sex if you don't like it or I guess you can "choose" to be gay instead

I just don't understand how you are so dense you don't realize how much this statement, in light of the discussion we're having, just reeks of hypocrisy. 



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 11:49:14 AM
I just don't understand how you are so dense you don't realize how much this statement, in light of the discussion we're having, just reeks of hypocrisy.  



I don't understand how you're so dense that you don't understand that it's the woman that becomes pregnant and NOT YOU

most 1rst graders understand that


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 13, 2015, 11:52:44 AM
of course not.


So you are an expert on the personal lives of people you have never met now?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 13, 2015, 11:56:21 AM
you're sitting here repeating what the law is.  I know what the law says about babies and abortions. 

what i'm saying is that the law is complete and utter bullshit.

women have recourse for an irresponsible sexual decision.  men do not.  that's quite simply not fair.

if you are so clouded by your conditioning that you, as a man, don't see how unfair the law currently is, I can't help you. 

you're being lied to by feminazi's and believing every word because you are being trained to toe the line. 

you're a lost cause.


Actually they do.  Vasectomy. 

A man doesn't have to get permission for it either.   His body, his choice.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 11:56:29 AM
I don't understand how you're so dense that you don't understand that it's the woman that become pregnant and NOT YOU

most 1rst graders understand that

pseudo males take this position.  boys like you.  abortion is not a female problem.  its a cultural one.  we're churning out men by the thousands who think like you.  as long as men like you keep being born, we will have millions of abortions.  

the type of guys who when told by their girlfriend that they got them pregnant, they respond, "well what are you going to do?"  little.....fucking.....b oys.

when my wife got pregnant, WE were having a baby.  not her.  I was in it for life.  period.  and that's what she fully expected from me BEFORE she decided to let me impregnate her.  because she is a WOMAN.   not a little girl.  yes she had to carry OUR baby for 9 months.  but that baby was OURS.

that's how real men think.  


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 11:59:10 AM

Actually they do.  Vasectomy.  

A man doesn't have to get permission for it either.   His body, his choice.

no you got that wrong.  do I have to explain why?  have you ever had sex?  

you do know that if you get a girl pregnant a vasectomy won't help right?



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 12:00:01 PM
pseudo males take this position.  boys like you.  abortion is not a female problem.  its a cultural one.  we're churning out men by the thousands who think like you.  as long as men like you keep being born, we will have millions of abortions.  

the type of guys who when told by their girlfriend that they got them pregnant, they respond, "well what are you going to do?"  little.....fucking.....b oys.

when my wife got pregnant, WE were having a baby.  not her.  I was in it for life.  period.  and that's what she fully expected from me BEFORE she decided to let me impregnate her.  because she is a WOMAN.   not a little girl.  yes she had to carry OUR baby for 9 months.  but that baby was OURS.

that's how real men think.  

so you're back insults because you can't deal with reality

must suck to be so insecure that you feel you need to control someone else body and have to piss and moan about how life is unfair

I guess that's how real men like you act when they can't deal with reality


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 12:02:14 PM
so you're back insults because you can't deal with reality

must suck to be so insecure that you feel you need to control someone else body and have to piss and moan about how life is unfair

I guess that's how real men like you act when they can't deal with reality

never forced a girl to do anything to her body.  never got a girl pregnant and hoped she wanted to kill it either.  I guess that's what your version of real men do.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 12:03:25 PM
never forced a girl to do anything to her body.  never got a girl pregnant and hoped she wanted to kill it either.  I guess that's what your version of real men do.

no shit Sherlock

of course you didn't

you don't get the option

that's what you've been bitching about this entire time



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 13, 2015, 12:21:40 PM
no you got that wrong.  do I have to explain why?  have you ever had sex?  

you do know that if you get a girl pregnant a vasectomy won't help right?



 ::)


That whoooshing sound?  The point of my post going over your head.

You obviously have a hard time understanding or accepting that another person doesn't need your permission to do what they want with THEIR OWN body.



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 13, 2015, 12:24:16 PM
never forced a girl to do anything to her body.  never got a girl pregnant and hoped she wanted to kill it either.  I guess that's what your version of real men do.


No.  It's the version of an individual being free to make their own choice about their own body without a prissy whiner like you having any say so.

Thank god "we're churning out men by the thousands who think like you."   Certainly will eliminate the Stone Age mouth breathers in a few generations.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 13, 2015, 12:50:35 PM
Planned Parenthood workers, PACs donated $25M to Dems since 2000
By Seth Paxton
Published August 13, 2015
FoxNews.com

The financial ties between Planned Parenthood and Democrats run deep, with the taxpayer-funded women's health care and abortion provider's employees and political arms donating at least $25 million to party lawmakers over the past 15 years, according to a FoxNews.com analysis.

The money, which flowed through an extensive web of Planned Parenthood employees, political action committees and soft-money donors accounts for 99 percent of all political donations linked to Planned Parenthood, leaving little doubt about the partisan preference of the organization.
Amid calls for ending the organization's roughly $500 million in annual  federal funding, Planned Parenthood may need its political muscle more than ever.

“These types of contributions -- any contributions -- to public officials are important and they do sway votes,” said Jeanne Zaino, a political science professor at Iona College in New Rochelle, N.Y.

“These types of contributions - any contributions - to public officials are important and they do sway votes.”

- Jeanne Zaino, professor of political science at Iona College
In addition to direct donations to the campaigns of Democratic lawmakers around the nation, Planned Parenthood employees and affiliates spent $12 million on lobbying efforts during the same span, according to documents examined by FoxNews.com.

As a tax-exempt nonprofit, Planned Parenthood is not allowed to donate directly to political causes. But, like hundreds of other nonprofits, it is permitted to establish a political action committee that is committed to its goals. Planned Parenthood's political arm, the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, works with scores of state, regional and local PACs and affiliates that seek to influence elections on every level. It is funded by private contributions and is not permitted to use the organization's funds even as it advocates for the organization and contributes to candidates sympathetic to its cause.

Planned Parenthood's taxpayer subsidies have come under intense questioning in the wake of a series of sting videos released by the Center for Medical Progress, a group of citizen journalists opposed to abortion. The graphic videos, some of which have featured undercover footage shot inside clinics and of Planned Parenthood officials allegedly discussing the illegal sale of fetal cadavers and body parts, have made Planned Parenthood a major issue in the 2016 presidential campaign.

A Senate measure to defund Planned Parenthood failed by a vote of 53-46 last week, falling seven votes short of the supermajority of 60 needed to avoid a filibuster. Voting against the measure were several lawmakers who received some of the $884,574 Planned Parenthood’s PACs and supporters contributed to candidates and parties last year, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. The largest recipient, Sen. Ed Markey, D-Mass., received $22,290 and voted with other Planned Parenthood-backed senators including Jeanne Shaheen, of New Hampshire, Al Franken, of Minnesota, and Jeff Merkley, of Oregon, to block the move.

Democratic senators from so-called “red” states also have received sizable donations from Planned Parenthood PACs and supporters. Since 2006, Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., has received a little more than $26,000; Jon Tester, D-Mont., $19,000 and Heidi Heitkamp, D-S.D., has received $5,300.

Some current and former Planned Parenthood employees donated more than $100,000 to mostly Democrat-supported candidates and causes. Aimee Boone Cunningham, of Austin, Texas, donated a total of $233,000 to the Super PAC Planned Parenthood Votes, Democratic congressional candidates and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee between 2012 and 2014. According to the Center for Reproductive Rights, she was most recently the vice president of development of Planned Parenthood of Greater Texas. She also has been the deputy director of the Texas Democratic Trust and the deputy executive director/finance director of the Texas Democratic Party.

Alexandria Marcus of San Francisco worked for Planned Parenthood intermittently between 2005-2010 and donated $132,500 to the Democratic Campaign Committee, the DNC Services Corp. and Democratic candidates including Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and President Obama during that time. She has served as associate vice president of public affairs for Planned Parenthood Mar Monte, the largest affiliate in the country, and as director of Planned Parenthood Advocates Mar Monte and of two Planned Parenthood political action committees and political campaigns.

Since the 2000 elections, every Senate Democrat who has voted not to defund Planned Parenthood has received a contribution from Planned Parenthood PACs and supporters. Shaheen has received $38,449 since 2002. Senators Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., and Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, also have accepted more than $30,000. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton also benefited from Planned Parenthood advocates’ cash during her years in the Senate, raking in $18,385 between 2000 and 2006.

“Their donation priorities demonstrate that, obviously, Planned Parenthood knows who will support their agenda no matter what,” Sen. James Lankford, R-Okla., said. “I am hopeful that the senators who voted against redirecting Planned Parenthood taxpayer funding will listen to the millions of people around the nation that are mortified that their hard-earned money is being used to facilitate the trafficking of children’s body parts. Federal funding for Planned Parenthood shouldn’t be a partisan or lobbying issue.”

According to the Planned Parenthood Annual Report, the organization received $528.4 million in government health services grants and reimbursements in fiscal year 2014. According to law, none of its federal funds can be used for abortion services. The organization claims the federal funds are used to promote other women's health causes, including birth control, mammograms and sex education instruction in public schools.

The partisan nature of the abortion issue has a flip side. The Susan B. Anthony List, a private, anti-abortion organization, has donated $1,990,787 to Republicans since 2000 and only $38,468 to Democrats, a contribution history that shows a similar contrast, though on a much smaller scale.

Senators voting to continue funding Planned Parenthood may well have followed their consciences and the wishes of their constituents, but Zaino said the relationship between donations and votes on such a charged issue is undeniable.

“Anytime we are analyzing a vote we always have to follow the money trail and this case is no exception,” Zaino said. “There is no question that the vote on Monday was tied to the contributions these senators have received from the Planned Parenthood SuperPacs and related individual donors.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/13/planned-parenthood-workers-pacs-donated-25m-to-dems-since-2000/?intcmp=hpbt3


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 12:51:14 PM

No.  It's the version of an individual being free to make their own choice about their own body without a prissy whiner like you having any say so.

Thank god "we're churning out men by the thousands who think like you."   Certainly will eliminate the Stone Age mouth breathers in a few generations.

I agree that your definition of a real man is in stark contrast to mine.

your version wants to make the federal government buy rubbers for you because apparently its too hard or you can't make enough money.

my version takes control of their sexual activity and doesn't impregnate a woman unless they want a baby.  

and statistically most abortions are because of boys like you.  so of course you're pro choice.  you have to be.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 01:09:10 PM
I agree that your definition of a real man is in stark contrast to mine.

your version wants to make the federal government buy rubbers for you because apparently its too hard or you can't make enough money.

my version takes control of their sexual activity and doesn't impregnate a woman unless they want a baby.  

and statistically most abortions are because of boys like you.  so of course you're pro choice.  you have to be.

in your version real men cry like little bitches about how life is unfair

they also want to be exempt from taking care of their children once they are born and apparently think the rest of us should pay for their kids

that's your definition of a real man

and men should be able to relinquish all rights to the child and not be forced to pay for it.  if she wants to go ahead and have it knowing that the father won't be there to help she can.

no one likes this idea though.  way too fair.  

FYI.  in my scenario NO ONE is being forced to do anything.  both parties have a choice.  which is why you won't like it.  it doesn't reek of man hating liberalism.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 01:26:35 PM
Planned Parenthood workers, PACs donated $25M to Dems since 2000
By Seth Paxton
Published August 13, 2015
FoxNews.com

The financial ties between Planned Parenthood and Democrats run deep, with the taxpayer-funded women's health care and abortion provider's employees and political arms donating at least $25 million to party lawmakers over the past 15 years, according to a FoxNews.com analysis.

The money, which flowed through an extensive web of Planned Parenthood employees, political action committees and soft-money donors accounts for 99 percent of all political donations linked to Planned Parenthood, leaving little doubt about the partisan preference of the organization.
Amid calls for ending the organization's roughly $500 million in annual  federal funding, Planned Parenthood may need its political muscle more than ever.

“These types of contributions -- any contributions -- to public officials are important and they do sway votes,” said Jeanne Zaino, a political science professor at Iona College in New Rochelle, N.Y.

“These types of contributions - any contributions - to public officials are important and they do sway votes.”

- Jeanne Zaino, professor of political science at Iona College
In addition to direct donations to the campaigns of Democratic lawmakers around the nation, Planned Parenthood employees and affiliates spent $12 million on lobbying efforts during the same span, according to documents examined by FoxNews.com.

As a tax-exempt nonprofit, Planned Parenthood is not allowed to donate directly to political causes. But, like hundreds of other nonprofits, it is permitted to establish a political action committee that is committed to its goals. Planned Parenthood's political arm, the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, works with scores of state, regional and local PACs and affiliates that seek to influence elections on every level. It is funded by private contributions and is not permitted to use the organization's funds even as it advocates for the organization and contributes to candidates sympathetic to its cause.

Planned Parenthood's taxpayer subsidies have come under intense questioning in the wake of a series of sting videos released by the Center for Medical Progress, a group of citizen journalists opposed to abortion. The graphic videos, some of which have featured undercover footage shot inside clinics and of Planned Parenthood officials allegedly discussing the illegal sale of fetal cadavers and body parts, have made Planned Parenthood a major issue in the 2016 presidential campaign.

A Senate measure to defund Planned Parenthood failed by a vote of 53-46 last week, falling seven votes short of the supermajority of 60 needed to avoid a filibuster. Voting against the measure were several lawmakers who received some of the $884,574 Planned Parenthood’s PACs and supporters contributed to candidates and parties last year, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. The largest recipient, Sen. Ed Markey, D-Mass., received $22,290 and voted with other Planned Parenthood-backed senators including Jeanne Shaheen, of New Hampshire, Al Franken, of Minnesota, and Jeff Merkley, of Oregon, to block the move.

Democratic senators from so-called “red” states also have received sizable donations from Planned Parenthood PACs and supporters. Since 2006, Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., has received a little more than $26,000; Jon Tester, D-Mont., $19,000 and Heidi Heitkamp, D-S.D., has received $5,300.

Some current and former Planned Parenthood employees donated more than $100,000 to mostly Democrat-supported candidates and causes. Aimee Boone Cunningham, of Austin, Texas, donated a total of $233,000 to the Super PAC Planned Parenthood Votes, Democratic congressional candidates and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee between 2012 and 2014. According to the Center for Reproductive Rights, she was most recently the vice president of development of Planned Parenthood of Greater Texas. She also has been the deputy director of the Texas Democratic Trust and the deputy executive director/finance director of the Texas Democratic Party.

Alexandria Marcus of San Francisco worked for Planned Parenthood intermittently between 2005-2010 and donated $132,500 to the Democratic Campaign Committee, the DNC Services Corp. and Democratic candidates including Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and President Obama during that time. She has served as associate vice president of public affairs for Planned Parenthood Mar Monte, the largest affiliate in the country, and as director of Planned Parenthood Advocates Mar Monte and of two Planned Parenthood political action committees and political campaigns.

Since the 2000 elections, every Senate Democrat who has voted not to defund Planned Parenthood has received a contribution from Planned Parenthood PACs and supporters. Shaheen has received $38,449 since 2002. Senators Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., and Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, also have accepted more than $30,000. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton also benefited from Planned Parenthood advocates’ cash during her years in the Senate, raking in $18,385 between 2000 and 2006.

“Their donation priorities demonstrate that, obviously, Planned Parenthood knows who will support their agenda no matter what,” Sen. James Lankford, R-Okla., said. “I am hopeful that the senators who voted against redirecting Planned Parenthood taxpayer funding will listen to the millions of people around the nation that are mortified that their hard-earned money is being used to facilitate the trafficking of children’s body parts. Federal funding for Planned Parenthood shouldn’t be a partisan or lobbying issue.”

According to the Planned Parenthood Annual Report, the organization received $528.4 million in government health services grants and reimbursements in fiscal year 2014. According to law, none of its federal funds can be used for abortion services. The organization claims the federal funds are used to promote other women's health causes, including birth control, mammograms and sex education instruction in public schools.

The partisan nature of the abortion issue has a flip side. The Susan B. Anthony List, a private, anti-abortion organization, has donated $1,990,787 to Republicans since 2000 and only $38,468 to Democrats, a contribution history that shows a similar contrast, though on a much smaller scale.

Senators voting to continue funding Planned Parenthood may well have followed their consciences and the wishes of their constituents, but Zaino said the relationship between donations and votes on such a charged issue is undeniable.

“Anytime we are analyzing a vote we always have to follow the money trail and this case is no exception,” Zaino said. “There is no question that the vote on Monday was tied to the contributions these senators have received from the Planned Parenthood SuperPacs and related individual donors.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/13/planned-parenthood-workers-pacs-donated-25m-to-dems-since-2000/?intcmp=hpbt3

wow 25 million in 15 years

that's pretty pathetic

Sheldon Adelson spent 93 million on the 2012  election



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 01:49:18 PM
in your version real men cry like little bitches about how life is unfair

they also want to be exempt from taking care of their children once they are born and apparently think the rest of us should pay for their kids

that's your definition of a real man


says the guy who needs abortions to the guy who supports his kids and probably pays for your health care.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 01:54:22 PM
says the guy who needs abortions to the guy who supports his kids and probably pays for your health care.

I'm a guy so I can't have an abortion so how exactly do you think I need one

If you're offering to pay my health insurance then I'll send you my address because right now it's being debited from my checking account each month

Seems like you break down into insults and insecurities whenever you can't defend your position

Is that something else that "real men" in your world do?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 02:00:12 PM
I'm a guy so I can't have an abortion so how exactly do you think I need one

If you're offering to pay my health insurance then I'll send you my address because right now it's being debited from my checking account each month

Seems like you break down into insults and insecurities whenever you can't defend your position

Is that something else that "real men" in your world do?

says the guy who said this to Coach like 2 days ago.

LOL @ the life long drug addict and 3 times divorced tire flipping dwarf trying to lecture anyone on morals


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 02:08:20 PM
says the guy who said this to Coach like 2 days ago.

LOL @ the life long drug addict and 3 times divorced tire flipping dwarf trying to lecture anyone on morals

I'm not a drug addict (much less life long) and I've never been divorced

If you think I'm lecturing you or anyone on morals you're truly retarted

I've said I support a womans right to choose....period

you really perceive that to be a lecture.

would you like me to repost your lectures from this thread ?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 13, 2015, 02:28:58 PM
maybe ben carson will be willing to cut planned parenthood a little slack now.

His team did a little shopping with them, didn't they? 

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/shocked-will-smith.gif)


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 02:40:32 PM
maybe ben carson will be willing to cut planned parenthood a little slack now.

His team did a little shopping with them, didn't they? 

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/shocked-will-smith.gif)

I doubt they procured the fetal tissue themselves (and this will be his excuse) but he absolutely did research with aborted fetal tissue


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: bears on August 13, 2015, 02:42:50 PM
I'm not a drug addict (much less life long) and I've never been divorced

If you think I'm lecturing you or anyone on morals you're truly retarted

I've said I support a womans right to choose....period

you really perceive that to be a lecture.

would you like me to repost your lectures from this thread ?

we all lecture on morals.  its a fucking politics thread.  whether you want to believe it or not you lecture on morals.

I comment when I see someone making fun of a conservative view on when life starts as stupid and devoid of science and then they give their definition and its just as silly and arbitrary as the one they make fun of.

the bottom line is I believe abortion is killing a baby.  and so do you.  you just don't like to say it.  you would abort a baby 5 months into gestation when you know that there are doctors operating on babies 5 months into gestation in order to save their lives.  so you know its a baby.  you simply choose to ignore that it is.

any ob gyn knows that there is absolutely ZERO physiological difference from a baby 6 months into gestation and a baby that's 2 hours old.  but people like you think it's OK to kill the former but an absolutely atrocious act punishable by death to do the same to the latter.  i'm sorry.  I find that fucking hilarious.  it makes no sense to me....and it shouldn't.  the argument just doesn't hold water.

which is why I get so fired up on these threads.




Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 02:45:46 PM
we all lecture on morals.  its a fucking politics thread.  whether you want to believe it or not you lecture on morals.

I comment when I see someone making fun of a conservative view on when life starts as stupid and devoid of science and then they give their definition and its just as silly and arbitrary as the one they make fun of.

the bottom line is I believe abortion is killing a baby.  and so do you.  you just don't like to say it.  you would abort a baby 5 months into gestation when you know that there are doctors operating on babies 5 months into gestation in order to save their lives.  so you know its a baby.  you simply choose to ignore that it is.

any ob gyn knows that there is absolutely ZERO physiological difference from a baby 6 months into gestation and a baby that's 2 hours old.  but people like you think it's OK to kill the former but an absolutely atrocious act punishable by death to do the same to the latter.  i'm sorry.  I find that fucking hilarious.  it makes no sense to me....and it shouldn't.  the argument just doesn't hold water.

which is why I get so fired up on these threads.




I don't believe that at all

WTF is it with you trying to put words in my mouth?

My statements could be more clear on this topic

Women have the right to choose what do with their body and that included whether to get an abortion or to make you both parents

her body, her pregnancy and her choice

I guess I'll be like you and just say you believe that too but you just don't like to say it



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 13, 2015, 03:39:58 PM
I agree that your definition of a real man is in stark contrast to mine.

your version wants to make the federal government buy rubbers for you because apparently its too hard or you can't make enough money.

my version takes control of their sexual activity and doesn't impregnate a woman unless they want a baby.  

and statistically most abortions are because of boys like you.  so of course you're pro choice.  you have to be.

Sorry that our laws will not allow you to regulate and determine what another person does with their bodies.

Must really piss you off.

Interestingly, the stats show that red states have the highest rate of abortions. 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 13, 2015, 03:44:45 PM
I agree that your definition of a real man is in stark contrast to mine.

your version wants to make the federal government buy rubbers for you because apparently its too hard or you can't make enough money.

my version takes control of their sexual activity and doesn't impregnate a woman unless they want a baby.  

and statistically most abortions are because of boys like you.  so of course you're pro choice.  you have to be.

Seeing how males are unable to physically get an abortion or legally force a female to have one, I would have your little statement here is quite incorrect.

I do see how you would just looovvveeee to be able to regulate the body of another person.  Too bad it just ain't happening for you.  Their body = their choice.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 04:05:47 PM
Seeing how males are unable to physically get an abortion or legally force a female to have one, I would have your little statement here is quite incorrect.

I do see how you would just looovvveeee to be able to regulate the body of another person.  Too bad it just ain't happening for you.  Their body = their choice.

you gotta love how bears just pulls shit out of his ass

if he had some stastistics on men forcing women to have an abortion (which is what I assume he means because the only other option is that he has no clue how reproduction works) then why not provide it

It's the WOMAN having the abortion and the men get no say anyway but apparently bears believes he has seen data showing that "statistically  most abortions are because of boys"

fucking bizzarro



Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 13, 2015, 04:41:14 PM
Wouldn't it jus make it a lot easier to put abortion to a woman only vote referendum? I'd be okay with that. It seems it would solve much of this banter back and forth between dudes on women's issues.

That said, I do not believe and it's why I asked, that any of the folks defending abortion in this thread have children. I know one doesn't.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 05:18:59 PM
Wouldn't it jus make it a lot easier to put abortion to a woman only vote referendum? I'd be okay with that. It seems it would solve much of this banter back and forth between dudes on women's issues.

That said, I do not believe and it's why I asked, that any of the folks defending abortion in this thread have children. I know one doesn't.

How about we put your right to own a house or drive a car to a vote referendum?
Let's just get rid of the Supreme Court and we all just vote on what rights people should have.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 13, 2015, 05:37:29 PM
How about we put your right to own a house or drive a car to a vote referendum?
Let's just get rid of the Supreme Court and we all just vote on what rights people should have.

Democracy in its purest form. Seriously though, why would you have an issue with a democratic vote by women, on an issue that is affecting their bodies? I think for the most part people should be able to decide for themselves what they want to do to themselves, but it seems that there are too many opinions so a vote would make it clear cut. Then, do a referendum every ten years or so to keep up with the times.

I fail to see how homeownership falls into that, but if you were to say something equally as polarizing as death penalty, I'd be okay with that.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 13, 2015, 06:33:51 PM
Democracy in its purest form. Seriously though, why would you have an issue with a democratic vote by women, on an issue that is affecting their bodies? I think for the most part people should be able to decide for themselves what they want to do to themselves, but it seems that there are too many opinions so a vote would make it clear cut. Then, do a referendum every ten years or so to keep up with the times.

I fail to see how homeownership falls into that, but if you were to say something equally as polarizing as death penalty, I'd be okay with that.

lets all vote and decide if red heads or left handed people should be allowed to vote
of course all the red heads and left handed people will vote yes but if the majority still say no then tough shit for them

do we vote on rights in this country ?

are majorities allowed to take away the rights of minorities?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 14, 2015, 04:31:30 AM
lets all vote and decide if red heads or left handed people should be allowed to vote
of course all the red heads and left handed people will vote yes but if the majority still say no then tough shit for them

do we vote on rights in this country ?

are majorities allowed to take away the rights of minorities?

If it was an issue that only red heads or lefty's were affected by it and it was their issue, I don't think I would have a problem with it.

Majorities do take away the rights of a minority of people, just look at prohibition.  Some folks wanted to drink alcohol, but a majority didn't.  Now, if you are referring to "minorities" as in not white, then no I do not think that is okay to suppress someone's rights because of skin color.  We have checks and balances to make sure that does not happen.  In this instance, I fail to see the correlation between women getting a vote in what they do with their bodies (as it stands, that is kind of the way it is now with abortion laws, their body their choice) this way it would take the male voice out of the equation and shut the argument, at least with men getting involved, shut that argument down.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on August 14, 2015, 07:32:42 AM
If it was an issue that only red heads or lefty's were affected by it and it was their issue, I don't think I would have a problem with it.

Majorities do take away the rights of a minority of people, just look at prohibition.  Some folks wanted to drink alcohol, but a majority didn't.  Now, if you are referring to "minorities" as in not white, then no I do not think that is okay to suppress someone's rights because of skin color.  We have checks and balances to make sure that does not happen.  In this instance, I fail to see the correlation between women getting a vote in what they do with their bodies (as it stands, that is kind of the way it is now with abortion laws, their body their choice) this way it would take the male voice out of the equation and shut the argument, at least with men getting involved, shut that argument down.

Uh, prohibition was a total failure which might serve as example of what happens when you take away a existing right and it wasn't implemented by a popular vote

If you want to get rid of abortion or gay marriage or red headed voters then you'd have to do it the same way as they did with prohibtion, with an amendment to the constitution.

We don't put the rights of a minority up to the vote of a majority in this country


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2015, 09:14:15 AM
Pro-Choice USA Today Columnist Admits Planned Parenthood Videos ‘Raise Doubts’
By Erin Aitcheson
September 1, 2015

(http://newsbusters.org/s3/files/styles/blog_body-100/s3/images/PP%20still.PNG?itok=vmVGUA-D)

Here, finally, is in indication of the kind of impact the Center for Medical Progress’s Planned Parenthood videos might be having if ABC, CBS, NBC et al would stop censoring them to protect the nation’s largest abortion mill.

In the Opinion section of USA Today, Ruben Navarrette Jr., a prominent columnist, member of the Board of Contributors, and self-proclaimed pro-choicer, lamented that his pro-choice stance has taken a pounding in light of the Planned Parenthood videos.

“After forcing myself to watch what are now eight ghoulish videos exposing what goes on behind closed doors at Planned Parenthood, I’m still pro-choice,” he wrote. “I’m also anguished, despite the latest news conference raising questions about the videos.”

Navarrette has been an avid pro-choice supporter for over three decades and took up residence in the pro-choice camp during his college years adopting the usual talking points:

I became pro-choice for three reasons. First, I bought the line that the procedures should be legal, safe and rare. Second, I was repulsed by the tactics of the pro-life movement, which included threatening doctors and bombing clinics. Third, I adopted the feminist gospel that, as a man, I couldn’t tell a woman what to do with her body.

Navarrette has allegedly refrained from writing about abortion during his career until now. After watching the undercover Planned Parenthood videos for himself, he has begun questioning his support for abortion. Navarrette claimed his eyes had been opened to the horrific and egregious practices of Planned Parenthood and wrote, “[t]hese videos are just evil enough to raise doubts and change minds.” Which, again, is the abortion industry owes so much to its media protectors.

The “evils” of the videos has Navarrette coming off not only as doubting, but as being pained and conflicted by his decision to continue on as a pro-choice supporter. After watching one of the videos that included testimony from Holly O’Donnell, a former procurement technician for StemExpress, explaining her experience with gestated fetus recognizable as a baby being killed and slaughtered for its organs, Navarrette admitted, “t had a heartbeat. It was alive. Then it wasn’t.”

The Planned Parenthood videos also left Navarrette in a state of shock over the demeanor of the employees and the nature of the dialogue. “The material is heavily disturbing. Doctors and other personnel callously discuss the street value of fetal organs and negotiate prices like car salesmen.”

Navarrette still claims to be pro-choice, but with a “heavy heart.” He concluded, “I find myself envying those who are free of doubt and whose minds are made up.”

With the promise of more disturbing videos to be released, a complete change of heart may also be in Navarrette’s future.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/2015/09/01/pro-choice-usa-today-columnist-admits-planned-parenthood-videos-raise-doubts#sthash.jxjjYUYP.dpuf


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on September 01, 2015, 03:57:03 PM
New PP Undercover Video Provides Chilling Detail on Intact Fetuses
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=a2f45c8f-7712-40b2-b229-63ebf44e0fc7&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
Image: New PP Undercover Video Provides Chilling Detail on Intact Fetuses Planned Parenthood building (Andrew Burton/Getty Images)
By Todd Beamon   
Tuesday, 01 Sep 2015

A new undercover video from the Center for Medical Progress shows a manager for a longtime harvester and seller of Planned Parenthood fetal body parts describing with chilling ease at how intact fetuses can sometimes be easily obtained.

"I literally have had women come in and they'll go in the [operating room] and they're back out in three minutes — and I'm going, 'What's going on?'" Perrin Larton, procurement manager for Advanced Bioscience Resources Inc. (ABR), says in the video.

She was talking with CMP actors posing as executives of a new human biologics company.

"Oh yeah, the fetus was already in the vaginal canal whenever we put her in the stirrups," Larton says. "It just fell out."

ABR, founded in 1989 by CEO Linda Tracy, charges $340 per second-trimester fetal tissue specimen, regardless of its quality, Larton says in the video.

"Whenever we have a smooth portion of liver, we think that's good!" she says.

The company, based in Rockville, Maryland, has been a contractor for Planned Parenthood of the Pacific Southwest for years, says Dr. Katharine Sheehan, the San Diego clinic's medical director until 2013.

"We have already a relationship with ABR," Sheehan says in the footage. "We've been using them for over 10 years, really a long time, just kind of renegotiated the contract.

"They're doing the big collections for government-level collections and things like that," Sheehan says.

When a CMP actor tries to negotiate fees with Sheehan, she says: "We return a portion of our fees to the clinics. Right, get a toe in and make it, make a pro — all right."

The video also features Cate Dyer, the CEO of StemExpress, a rival biotech company who also discloses some of ABR's financials.

Dyer's sister, Charlotte Ivancic, recently stepped down as health policy adviser for House Speaker John Boehner. She had been shown in an earlier CMP video discussing and laughing about shipping "intact" aborted fetal parts.

"In the twisted world of baby-parts trafficking from Planned Parenthood abortion clinics, there are few unbroken rules," said David Daleiden, the center's founder. "It is imperative for lawmakers and law enforcement to act decisively to determine the full extent of Planned Parenthood and their proxies' lawbreaking, hold them accountable, and stop the taxpayer funding of these barbaric atrocities against humanity."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/planned-parenthood-undercover-video-intact/2015/09/01/id/673081/#ixzz3kXC8k2vd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndJMawjoyPc


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Necrosis on September 02, 2015, 06:02:52 AM
Ya, i won't be watching anymore doctored videos from morons on the right.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on September 02, 2015, 11:23:33 AM
Ya, i won't be watching anymore doctored videos from morons on the right.

 :'(


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on September 02, 2015, 11:25:11 AM
8 Shocking Facts Uncovered by the Planned Parenthood Videos
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=9023ff51-db46-4aaa-a4a3-c0b70772834f&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
Image: 8 Shocking Facts Uncovered by the Planned Parenthood Videos (Planned Parenthood)
By Mike Garcia  
Wednesday, 02 Sep 2015

Pro-life activists from The Center for Medical Progress posed as fetal tissue buyers in meetings with Planned Parenthood employees, and began posting their shocking findings in a series of videos in July.

Planned Parenthood took the videos very seriously, and hired crisis communications firm SKDKnickerbocker at the end of July to snuff out media coverage of the videos.

Many conservative members of the U.S. legislature have called for the investigation and defunding of Planned Parenthood, however Senate Majority leader Mitch McConnell said it wouldn't happen as long as President Barack Obama is in office.

Gathered below are eight things we've learned from the videos.

1. Planned Parenthood is selling aborted fetal organs — The early Planned Parenthood videos showed more than one abortion doctor haggling over prices for fetal organs. It is illegal to sell fetal tissue for a profit, and the videos raised many questions about whether the organization was violating the law. Planned Parenthood defended itself by saying it was merely trying to recoup the shipping and handling fees associated with tissue donation.

2. Abortion doctors made jokes about the fetuses they killed — Planned Parenthood’s Dr. Mary Gatter joked in one video that she wanted a "Lamborghini" in exchange for fetal organs when negotiating prices.

3. Abortions are sometimes performed on babies as they're being born — In the ninth video, Perrin Larton, second-trimester fetal tissue procurement manager for Advanced Bioscience Resources Inc., a Planned Parenthood contractor, explained what she's encountered herself.

"I literally have had women come in and they’ll go in the O.R. and they’re back out in three minutes, and I’m going, 'What’s going on?' Oh yeah, the fetus was already in the vaginal canal whenever we put her in the stirrups, it just fell out."

4. Abortion providers sometimes use the cardiotoxic drug digoxin to kill babies in the womb — "Providers who use digoxin use it for one of two reasons," Planned Parenthood doctor Deborah Nucatola says in the video released July 14. "There’s a group of people who just use it so they have no risk of violating the Federal Abortion Ban. Because if you induce a demise before the procedure, nobody’s going to say you did a 'live' — whatever the federal government calls it. Partial-birth abortion."

After inducing a heart attack that kills the baby, Nocatola explained that many abortionists "actually think it makes the tissue softer and it makes it safer and easier to do the procedure."

5. Digoxin renders fetal tissue unusable for donation, so crushing the fetus is preferable — Planned Parenthood’s Dr. Mary Gatter explained in the second video that many drugs used to kill babies in the womb taint the tissue, making the fetal stem cells unusable for scientists.

This makes clear why Dr. Nucatola's explained in the first video that she usually crushes the baby's head with forceps and other tools inside the womb before removing it from the mother's body.

6. One baby born intact had its face cut off for brain harvesting — Holly O’Donnell, a former Blood and Tissue Procurement Technician for StemExpress, explained in the seventh video that a nearly intact late-term fetus aborted at Planned Parenthood Mar Monte’s Alameda clinic in San Jose, California, was instructed to harvest brain tissue from a dead fetus.

"She gave me the scissors and told me that I had to cut down the middle of the face. I can’t even describe what that feels like," O'Donnell said, referring to instructions from her supervisor.

7. Abortion doctors can make the heart of an aborted baby beat — "And she just taps the heart, and it starts beating," O'Donnell continued her story. "And I’m sitting here and I’m looking at this fetus, and its heart is beating, and I don’t know what to think . . . I don’t know if that constitutes it’s technically dead, or it’s alive."

8. Major news outlets refuse to cover the videos — "In fact, the three broadcast networks, ABC, NBC and CBS, haven’t reported on a single video exposing Planned Parenthood’s trafficking of aborted babies during their news shows in 31 days — or one full month," the Media Research Center’s Katie Yoder wrote August 31.

"The last time a network mentioned a particular video came July 31, when CBS This Morning correspondent Julianna Goldman acknowledged the fourth video."

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/planned-parenthood-undercover-videos-learned/2015/09/02/id/673192/#ixzz3kbwHnnBx


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on September 02, 2015, 06:20:22 PM
Ya, i won't be watching anymore doctored videos from morons on the right.

Don't worry, morons like Bum will be glad to pick up the slack for you and guys like him don't even care if the videos are alterted to deceive.

Fundies like Bum and the liars who made these videos are used to lying.

They lie to themselves every day of their lives so lying to other people is not exactly a problem for them.

Meanwhile back in reality the leader of the Senate has said defunding Planned Parenthood isn't going happen this year (and likely never)

McConnell: Planned Parenthood defunding a no-go this year

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article33190881.html


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 02, 2015, 09:01:42 PM
back off, guys.  Trump, Christie, and Romney all donated to planned parenthood.  Jeb was on a board that made it rain $ for them.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on September 09, 2015, 09:03:10 AM
Group Urges Republican Candidates to Defund Planned Parenthood
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Image: Group Urges Republican Candidates to Defund Planned Parenthood (AP)
Wednesday, 09 Sep 2015

An influential conservative group is calling on Republican presidential candidates to vow they will veto any future funding for women's healthcare provider Planned Parenthood, which is under fire from abortion opponents.

In a letter seen by Reuters that is being sent to all party hopefuls in the 2016 White House race, the ForAmerica advocacy group asks candidates to make "a firm commitment" to starve Planned Parenthood of federal funding.

ForAmerica Chairman Brent Bozell - who has personally endorsed Republican Senator Ted Cruz for 2016 - also calls on the candidates to say whether they would launch an investigation by the Department of Justice into Planned Parenthood.

ForAmerica boasts a 7.7 million-member online presence, which in the past it has mobilized to bombard Republican congressional leadership with phone calls and emails to promote conservative positions.

Republicans have turned their sights on Planned Parenthood again since an anti-abortion group began posting a series of secretly recorded videos online. The center says the tapes show Planned Parenthood engaged in illegal sales of fetal tissue. Planned Parenthood counters that the videos were distorted and says that it did nothing wrong.

The effort by ForAmerica comes as a fight is brewing in Congress over Planned Parenthood that risks another government shutdown.

Cruz is threatening to block a spending bill if Planned Parenthood is not barred from receiving the $500 million in government funds it gets every year.

Having the rest of the 2016 Republican field on board would give Cruz more ammunition to push his fight against Planned Parenthood, even though the Republican leadership in Congress is wary of engaging in another high-profile battle that could fuel criticism their party is anti-women.

"We need a firm commitment from you so that voters may identify you as a pro-life man of your word, and expose fellow candidates who are giving lip service to this issue but intend to put this on the backburner if elected," Bozell writes in the letter addressed to front-runner Donald Trump.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/gop-defund-planned-parenthood/2015/09/09/id/680931/#ixzz3lGID4qtS


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on September 14, 2015, 09:14:12 AM
Kasich: Don't shut down government over Planned Parenthood
By Tal Kopan, CNN
Sun September 13, 2015

Washington (CNN)Ohio Gov. John Kasich said Saturday that he doesn't believe Congress should shut down the federal government in the fight to defund Planned Parenthood.

Speaking to college Republicans at Saint Anselm College in New Hampshire, Kasich was asked by one of the audience members about the debate in Congress about the controversial women's health organization.

"Well if you shut down the government, the question is, will you defund (Planned Parenthood)? I think the answer is no," Kasich said. He added that in such a scenario, the government would shut down, reopen and Planned Parenthood would still be getting funds.

"The American people will say, 'What are you doing?'" Kasich said, adding, "The President is not going to sign a bill like that. He's not going to."

Ohio Gov. John Kasich speaks at the First in the Nation Republican Leadership Summit on April 18, 2015, in Nashua, New Hampshire. The summit was attended by all the 2016 Republican candidates as well as those eying a run for the nomination. Click through for more on the political career of Kasich:

Some of Kasich's opponents in the 2016 race, including Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, have been pushing for Republicans to stop federal funds from going to Planned Parenthood after a series of controversial videos purporting to depict the organization engaging in the sale of fetal tissue have surfaced. Cruz and GOP front-runner Donald Trump have explicitly called for the government to be shut down rather than continue funding for Planned Parenthood.

Congress must pass a bill to fund government this month or there will be another shutdown. Cruz has been supportive of brinksmanship efforts before, and was a driving force behind the last shutdown two years ago.

Kasich has consistently stated his opposition to abortion on the campaign trail, though he believes in exceptions for rape, incest and cases that involve saving the life of the mother. Although he believes federal money should be spent on women's health needs, he doesn't believe the federal government should fund Planned Parenthood, a position he reiterated on Saturday.

But he said a leader needs to understand how to get things done while working with people with whom he disagrees.

"My way or the highway doesn't work in life," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/12/politics/john-kasich-planned-parenthood-government-shutdown/index.html


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on September 15, 2015, 12:06:42 PM
Planned Parenthood Admits It's Terrified of Media 5x in New Video: ‘Headlines Would Be a Disaster’
By Katie Yoder
September 15, 2015

Ironically, Planned Parenthood trembles in the face of its most faithful ally: the traditional  media.

The Center for Medical Progress (CMP) released a tenth investigative video Sept. 15, that showed Planned Parenthood executives discussing aborted baby parts for money as a “valid exchange” for a “fair amount of income.” The Planned Parenthood executives admitted terror and distrust of the media – and worried about becoming a public relations or “P.R. issue” that might make headlines. A worry much unfounded, as MRC studies have found.

The video opened with Dr. Carolyn Westoff, Planned Parenthood’s Senior Medical Advisor, revealing her role in harvesting aborted baby parts to an actor posing as a tissue buyer.

“We’ve just been working with people who want particular tissues, like, you know, they want cardiac, or they want eyes, or they want neural,” she said, “Oh, gonads! Oh my God, gonads. Everything we provide is fresh.”

This isn’t the first time that the subjects of the videos have expressed zeal over the idea of chopping up human babies – like when workers laughed while sorting “5-star” baby parts in the fourth video or when a Planned Parenthood partner joked about shipping baby heads in the eighth video.

In her practice, Westhoff expressed fear of only one thing: the media.

“Obviously, we would have the potential for a huge H— P.R. issue by doing this,” she admitted.

Likewise, Vanessa Cullins, Planned Parenthood’s vice president of External Medical Affairs, “seem[ed] fully aware of the criminal exposure that fetal body parts sales present to Planned Parenthood,” according to CMP.

“This is important,” she said to the buyer in the undercover video. “This could destroy your organization and us, if we don’t time, you know, those conversations correctly.”

Getting straight to the point, Deborah VanDerhei, the National Director for Consortium of Abortion Providers (CAPS), asked the buyer about compensation for aborted baby parts: “Can I ask you about remuneration?”  According to CMP, CAPS is “an influential committee within Planned Parenthood that drives abortion policy across the organization.”

VanDerhei also admitted dread of getting caught by the media.

“I have been talking to the executive director of the National Abortion Federation, we’re trying to figure this out as an industry, about how we’re going to manage remuneration,” she admitted, “because the headlines would be a disaster.”

Because there is not Planned Parenthood national policy, VanDerhei recommended that, for those who want to “engage in remuneration,” “you really need to, like, think that through” as in “think New York Times headline when you’re creating your policy” – a sentiment she expressed more than once in the video.

But the media isn’t enough of a threat to keep her organization from trafficking aborted baby parts. When VanDerhei learned that the buyer offers around $100 per specimen, she remarked, “we have independent colleagues who generate a fair amount of income doing this.”

In regards to Planned Parenthood’s participation in aborted baby parts, VanDerhei recommended talking “in person” on the topic. “It’s an issue you might imagine that we’re not that comfortable talking about on email,” she said.

VanDerhei also appeared in a later conversation with Vanessa Russo, Compliance Program Administrator for Planned Parenthood Keystone in Pennsylvania. Russo told VanDerhei to brush off any fear of the law – and the media.

“We can’t consent to be bullied by ridiculous laws and this media that doesn’t understand the big picture,” Russo demanded before going on to talk about “research.”

Russo also argued that, “A company like this that wants to give our organization money for the tissue, like, I think that that’s a valid exchange, and that that’s okay.” VanDerhei confirmed with an, “Mhm.”

VanDerhei consoled Russo by saying that “there are Planned Parenthoods that participate in donation programs that are reimbursed for it” and adding “it’s fine.”

She listed Northern California, Mar Monte and Los Angeles as clinics that “all provide donation for remuneration.”

CMP’s press release highlighted that, “The sale or purchase of human fetal tissue is a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison or a fine of up to $500,000 (42 U.S.C. 289g-2).

The video is part of CMP’s years-long investigative study and documentary web series, “Human Capital,” which delves into Planned Parenthood’s practice of harvesting aborted baby parts.

Media History

Planned Parenthood executives’ fear and disgust of the media is laughable, as the media loyally serve as a PR firm for the abortion giant.

Since the release of CMP’s first video, the broadcast networks have proven hesitant to publicize the story – and when they did, they refused to even utter the word “baby.”

On Monday, MRC Culture found that ABC, NBC and CBS had aired a mere 0.13% of the CMP footage during their news shows – or 1 minute, 13 seconds of more than 16 hours. Likewise, a month ago, MRC Culture discovered the networks spent an embarrassing 0.008% of their news shows playing the CMP footage: 1 minute, 13 seconds out of 243 hours and 30 minutes.

From the beginning, the liberal media raced to defend Planned Parenthood. In the first 9 hours and 30 minutes of news shows broadcast after the story broke, ABC, NBC and CBS, spent only 39 seconds on the first video. It took more than 24 hours before all three covered the story. In the week after the first video, the networks gave a mere 9 minutes and 11 seconds to the story (in contrast, the nets devoted more than three times that to the Susan G. Komen controversy, when the charity temporarily decided to defund the abortion giant).

ABC, NBC and CBS prioritized animals over aborted babies, covering the shooting of Cecil the lion more in one day than they did these videos in two weeks – as well as the birth of the National Zoo’s panda cubs.

The three networks haven’t mentioned the content of CMP’s last five videos. In fact, the networks haven't covered a single Planned Parenthood video release in more than one month.

Not only that, but also they refused to cover the tens of thousands of Americans speaking out against Planned Parenthood during rallies held in late August – except once, when CBS tried to connect the event to arson.

The media similarly stayed silent on the case of Philadelphia abortionist Kermit Gosnell. Gosnell's trial, in which witnesses described baby abortion survivors “swimming" in toilets “to get out,” attracted a scant 12–15 reporters. Only after 56 days, multiple letters from members of the House of Representatives and a public outcry, did all three broadcast networks report on Gosnell.

Planned Parenthood History

Planned Parenthood received more than $528 million in taxpayer funding during the fiscal year 2013-2014. That amounted to more than $1.4 million per day, through government grants, contracts and Medicaid reimbursements.

According to the Charlotte Lozier Institute, the U.S. ranks second in the world for the number of abortions performed each year. The research arm of the Susan B. Anthony List also found that, “If Planned Parenthood were included for comparison, it would rank sixth in the world in number of abortions carried out annually.”

Pro-Life Reaction

As the Project Lead for CMP, David Daleiden commented on the newly released video.

“From email black-outs to contorted oxymorons like ‘donation for remuneration,’” he said in a press release, “the lengths to which Planned Parenthood leadership will go to cover-up their illegal sale of aborted baby parts are nothing less than the desperation of a guilty conscience.”

As the president of Students for Life of America, Kristan Hawkins also challenged the practices of Planned Parenthood in this tenth video.

“Planned Parenthood knew that if it ever got out that they were taking money for the body parts of babies they were aborting, that it would be a 'PR disaster,'” she said in a press release. “That's why they don't have a written on policy on such matters. That's why they don't want it in emails.”

Call for action in Congress, Hawkins added, “Every single Congressman and Senator needs to watch these videos.” She continued, “The time for rhetoric is over; now is the time for leadership and action."

Likewise, Susan B. Anthony List President Marjorie Dannenfelser responded to the “further evidence that Planned Parenthood profits from the illegal harvest and sale of the body parts of aborted children.”

“Senior abortion industry officials feared the New York Times headlines if these facts were to be exposed, and now they have been,” she warned, before calling on Congress to defund Planned Parenthood redirect funds to “more comprehensive health care centers.”

“No one should feel comfortable affixing his or her name to a budget that prolongs this atrocity,” she said. “It is up to President Obama to make clear why he believes our government has no higher priority than guaranteeing that the abortion industry can continue the piecemeal sale of baby body parts –‘fresh’ liver, eyes, brain, gonads, and more – without losing a dime of taxpayer dollars.”

Live Action’s Lila Rose added that the video “shows at what length Planned Parenthood executives will go to cover up the illegal harvesting of and profiting from baby parts.”

“Multiple executives also discuss the public relations nightmare should these illegal practices become public,” she said in a statement. “The nightmare is a reality, and along with continuing its multiple investigations into the abortion giant, Congress should immediately stop funneling over half a billion taxpayer dollars into Planned Parenthood and instead redirect the money to the over 13,000 community health centers that provide comprehensive healthcare to women.”

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/katie-yoder/2015/09/15/planned-parenthood-admits-its-terrified-media-5x-new-video#sthash.9XeV2Si3.dpuf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9EU_02c5bM


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on September 18, 2015, 09:30:10 AM
Showing some cojones for a change.  I'm surprised two Democrats actually voted for the bill. 

House votes to freeze federal funding for Planned Parenthood
By Sarah Ferris
09/18/15

The House on Friday voted along party lines to freeze federal funding for Planned Parenthood after weeks of escalating tension surrounding its use of fetal tissue.

In a 241-187 vote, nearly all Republicans and two Democrats approved legislation that would block Planned Parenthood's federal funding for one year, giving time for Congress to fully investigate claims of wrongdoing by the provider.

Lawmakers also passed a bill tightening restrictions on abortion doctors who violate infant protections in a 248-177 vote.
“What we’ve learned about Planned Parenthood is appalling, barbaric and indefensible,” Rep. Keith Rothfus (R-Pa.) said.

Three Republicans broke ranks to vote against the funding freeze: Reps. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), Robert Dold (R-Ill.) and Richard Hanna (R-N.Y.). The Democrats voting to defund were Reps. Dan Lipinski (D-Ill.) and Rep. Collin Peterson (D-Minn.), who are both opposed to abortion rights. Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) voted "present.”

The House vote represents the first time that congressional Republicans have approved legislation to defund Planned Parenthood in the wake of this summer’s undercover video controversy. The vote is largely symbolic, as Democrats are expected to block the bill in the Senate.

Cutting off Planned Parenthood’s federal funding would result in a net savings of $235 million over a decade, according to a report this week by the Congressional Budget Office. It would also cut off access for as many as 600,000 patients, resulting in “several thousand” unplanned births.

House GOP leaders hope the legislation will help avert a government shutdown by appeasing the dozens of conservatives who have pledged to defund Planned Parenthood at all costs. Lawmakers have five legislative days left to pass a spending bill and stop the shutdown that GOP leadership is aggressively working to avoid.

Democrats are seizing on the growing risk of a second GOP-led shutdown in two years. A half dozen House Democrats took to the floor Friday blasting the abortion bills.

“The Republicans just want to shut the government down if we don’t fund Planned Parenthood. That’s what they’re all about,” said Rep. Frank Pallone, the top Democrat on the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

GOP supporters of the bill sought to distance it from the politically toxic topic of a shutdown. “We are not on a bill about a government shutdown,” Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) said as she managed the floor debate.

“Most people think that this is common sense. If there is reason to investigate, then there is reason to withhold taxpayer dollars during that period of time,” Blackburn said. “There is bipartisan opposition from men and women to this practice.”

Republicans spoke at length about allegations that Planned Parenthood has been “harvesting” fetal organs on the floor, while Democrats sought to rebut them.

“No wrongdoing was shown. There’s no criminal charges, there’s no charges at all, pending against Planned Parenthood,” Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Col.) said.

Minutes later, Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Calif.), accused a Republican colleague of making “a complete falsehood” on the floor.

“Planned Parenthood does not sell any body parts for profit. That is a fact,” she said.

The bills passed after several hours of emotional floor speeches that included graphic descriptions of botched abortions and comparisons to the convicted abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell.

“I am getting emotional here because it is an emotional issue for me,” said. Rep Phil Roe (R-Tenn.), who said he delivered more than 3,000 babies in his 30 years as an obstetrician.

Republicans also highlighted the veto threats by the Obama administration, which has condemned the efforts to defund Planned Parenthood. Federal officials have said Obama would veto an expansion of the born-alive protection bill.

“When you saw the president come out yesterday and say he would veto this bill, how extreme can someone be?” House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-Lga.) said. “This should be a place where we can all come together.”

Democrats said the proposed changes to the born-alive protection bill are overly broad, and intended to intimidate abortion providers out of practice.

“It is already illegal to fail to provide care to an infant born alive,” Rep. Judy Chu (D-Calif) said. “What this bill does is to vilify abortion providers.”

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/254181-house-votes-to-freeze-funding-for-planned-parenthood


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on September 23, 2015, 01:54:46 PM
Fiorina PAC defends abortion comments in graphic ad
Published September 23, 2015
FoxNews.com

A Carly Fiorina super PAC has launched a powerful and graphic online ad refuting claims that she falsely described a scene in an undercover video where a live aborted fetus is kicking its legs.

The former HP CEO made the remarks at the Sept. 16 Republican primary debate last week as she dared President Obama and Hillary Clinton to watch the Planned Parenthood videos. “A fully-formed fetus, on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking, while someone says ‘we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain,’” Fiorina said, adding that if Congress does not pass legislation defunding Planned Parenthood, "shame on us."

Some questioned the veracity of the Republican presidential candidate's remarks after the debate, claiming that the scene exactly as she described was not in any of the videos. However, the Fiorina camp circulated a video of a kicking fetus, which was included in the ad put out by CARLY for America.

In the opening of the video, the text says that “Carly won the debate, so here come the false attacks.” It then shows a number of commentators and news outlets criticizing Fiorina over her remarks.

WARNING: GRAPHIC VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhn0DdH8M-0

The video goes on to show the scene to which Fiorina was referring -- a fetus with its legs kicking -- before showing another clip of an aborted fetus, and then a former Planned Parenthood technician describing how she was told: “We're going to procure brain.”

The video finishes by quoting Fiorina again: “This is about the character of our nation.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/23/new-graphic-ad-by-fiorina-pac-defends-abortion-comments/?intcmp=hpbt2


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on September 23, 2015, 02:23:17 PM
Fiorina PAC defends abortion comments in graphic ad
Published September 23, 2015
FoxNews.com

A Carly Fiorina super PAC has launched a powerful and graphic online ad refuting claims that she falsely described a scene in an undercover video where a live aborted fetus is kicking its legs.

The former HP CEO made the remarks at the Sept. 16 Republican primary debate last week as she dared President Obama and Hillary Clinton to watch the Planned Parenthood videos. “A fully-formed fetus, on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking, while someone says ‘we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain,’” Fiorina said, adding that if Congress does not pass legislation defunding Planned Parenthood, "shame on us."

Some questioned the veracity of the Republican presidential candidate's remarks after the debate, claiming that the scene exactly as she described was not in any of the videos. However, the Fiorina camp circulated a video of a kicking fetus, which was included in the ad put out by CARLY for America.

In the opening of the video, the text says that “Carly won the debate, so here come the false attacks.” It then shows a number of commentators and news outlets criticizing Fiorina over her remarks.

WARNING: GRAPHIC VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhn0DdH8M-0

The video goes on to show the scene to which Fiorina was referring -- a fetus with its legs kicking -- before showing another clip of an aborted fetus, and then a former Planned Parenthood technician describing how she was told: “We're going to procure brain.”

The video finishes by quoting Fiorina again: “This is about the character of our nation.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/23/new-graphic-ad-by-fiorina-pac-defends-abortion-comments/?intcmp=hpbt2

this nation has no problem killing fully formed human beings (inluding babies) when it serves our interests and we apparently couldn't give a rats ass about the tens of thousands of refugee's in Europe

What we  do like in this country is Abortion and by extension Planned Parenthood

What are the odds that fundie dipshits will actually HARM THEIR OWN PARTY by trying to shut down the government again





Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 23, 2015, 04:18:47 PM
Carly combined the elements of multiple vides into the one she described in teh debate?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 24, 2015, 06:37:14 AM
HAHAHA Carly has to lie, to her liars who support her, about a video that is a lie, and yet....   they still lap it up. 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on September 24, 2015, 08:16:58 AM
HAHAHA Carly has to lie, to her liars who support her, about a video that is a lie, and yet....   they still lap it up. 

pretending imaginary things are real is a big part of the fundie christian lifestyle


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on September 24, 2015, 08:36:01 AM
pretending imaginary things are real is a big part of the fundie christian lifestyle

So is getting upset and spazzing out when other people don't immediately buy into your lies and delusions.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on September 29, 2015, 12:01:53 PM
Missouri, Utah move to reel in Planned Parenthood after videos
By Theodore Schleifer, CNN
Updated Mon September 28, 2015
Video Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)—As Planned Parenthood endures renewed scrutiny on the 2016 presidential trail, states have taken a closer look at their practices as well.

On Monday, the Planned Parenthood Association of Utah said it would sue the state's governor, Gary Herbert, after he cut funding to their program. And in Missouri, the state attorney general said its investigation into whether Planned Parenthood's surgical facility engaged in illegal activity turned up empty.

The organization, which provides abortions and health services to women, has confronted a series of secretly taped, edited videos this summer which appear to show senior officials discussing the sale of fetal tissue as part of the process of terminating a pregnancy. The group has denied wrongdoing.

Hebert slashed money for the group in Utah in August.

"We aren't going to stand idly by. We aren't going to allow the governor to play politics with our health and our lives. We are standing up and fighting back," said Karrie Galloway the CEO of Utah's chapter.

The governor's office said it would maintain women's health services even with the cuts.

"Gov. Herbert stands by his actions to cease acting as a pass-through for federal funds to Planned Parenthood," said Aimee Edwards, Herbert's spokeswoman, in a statement. "He was offended by the actions of Planned Parenthood and the callousness with which they discussed human life."

Officials in Missouri launched its investigation following the July release of videos but "discovered no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Planned Parenthood's St. Louis facility is selling fetal tissue," according to Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster.

Republicans have looked to defund the organization at a federal level, with several hardline conservatives hoping to tie budget talks this week to efforts to strip the organization of the dollars. Democrats, who maintain that the organization has done nothing wrong, and establishment Republicans, wary of shutting down the government should Congress arrive at an impasse, are likely to partner together to fully fund Planned Parenthood despite conservatives' objections.

On the campaign trail, Republican presidential candidates ranging from Texas Sen. Ted Cruz to former tech CEO Carly Fiorina have placed the videos at the center of their 2016 campaigns -- most prominently at the CNN debate in California earlier this month.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/28/politics/missouri-utah-planned-parenthood-videos/index.html


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on October 08, 2015, 09:08:28 AM
Bunch of toothless mofos.   ::)

House Forming Special Panel to Probe Planned Parenthood
(http://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=4532ba81-7f23-4c5a-a0b7-a581dcb7cbf8&SiteName=Newsmax&maxsidesize=600)
Image: House Forming Special Panel to Probe Planned Parenthood Planned Parenthood chief Cecile Richards (AP)
Wednesday, 07 Oct 2015

The House neared creation Wednesday of a special committee to investigate Planned Parenthood and its procurement of fetal tissue as Republicans continued pressing an issue that has galvanized conservatives since secret videos surfaced this summer.

A vote establishing the select panel was expected to fall closely along party lines, with Democrats dismissing the probe as a purely political exercise by the GOP. It was unclear if Democrats would participate in the committee's work.

Four other congressional committees are already investigating Planned Parenthood, three in the House and one in the Senate.

"Even if these abortion providers somehow manage to comply with all federal laws while dismembering children, it's clear we need to learn more about their barbaric tactics," said Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-N.C.

Democrats likened the new House panel to one that Republicans created last year to investigate the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya, that killed four Americans. Hillary Rodham Clinton was secretary of state at the time, and Democrats say that committee was designed to hurt her prospects as a Democratic presidential candidate. House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., seemed to suggest as much in a TV interview last week.

"It is simply politics," Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., said of the effort to establish a special committee.

Outgoing House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, suggested establishing a special committee recently as GOP leaders tried staving off conservatives willing to wage a government shutdown fight with President Barack Obama over their attempt to block the federal money that Planned Parenthood receives.

That battle could be revisited in mid-December, when money keeping government agencies functioning runs out. Obama has promised to veto legislation cutting the group's money.

The House voted last month to block the federal money that the women's health organization receives, but Democrats blocked similar Senate legislation in August.

Planned Parenthood receives around $450 million in federal funds yearly, around a third of its budget, mostly reimbursements for seeing low-income Medicaid patients. By law, almost none of the federal money can be used for abortions, of which Planned Parenthood performs more than 300,000 annually.

Republicans have trained their fire on Planned Parenthood since the release of abortion foes' videos showing the organization's officials talking about how they harvest tissue from aborted fetuses for medical researchers.

The activists and some Republicans claim the group illegally sells the tissue for profit. Backed by most Democrats, Planned Parenthood says it's only recovered its expenses for retrieving the organs, which is legal, and is the victim of dishonestly edited recordings.

The measure establishing the special House panel does not mention Planned Parenthood by name. It says the committee should investigate "medical procedures and business practices used by entities involved in fetal tissue procurement."

It also authorizes the panel to probe "federal funding and support for abortion providers" and procedures in late-term abortions.

Drew Hammill, spokesman for House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said he had no information when asked if Democrats would participate in the panel. Democrats considered not participating in the Benghazi panel but have continued doing so.

Wednesday's resolution gives the committee chair the power to issue subpoenas. It will be part of the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Planned-Parenthood-special-panel/2015/10/07/id/695186/#ixzz3nzsl6feF


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on October 08, 2015, 09:12:15 AM
Bunch of toothless mofos.   ::)

let me make this easy for you.

Repubs finally own the house and the senate.

First, they take all the power away from this new Senate by doing a budget RIGHT BEFORE they enter office, giving obama something like 1.8 trillion to spend in the year.  THEN they refuse to either shit, or get off the pot, when it comes to planned parenthood.  If you hate it that bad, then just work together and END IT.   Don't just roll around with blue balls for 2 years talking about it.

While we're on that subject - Iran - just write your own legislation and make obama veto ir.
While we're on that subject - Obamacare - same fcking thing.
While we're on that subject - why the F can't you impeach obama now, you have both houses?

Repubs begged for a decade "just give us both houses and we'll make everything great".  You've had it almost a year now, and you haven't done jack shit.  STFU.  Shit or get off the pot.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on October 13, 2015, 10:54:39 AM
Smart move.  They know good and well they were violating the law by profiting off selling human body parts. 

Planned Parenthood reverses policy of taking money for fetal tissue 'donations'
By  Cody Derespina
Published October 13, 2015
FoxNews.com

Beleaguered abortion provider Planned Parenthood announced Tuesday it would no longer accept money from researchers for aborted baby parts, citing a desire to defang “an anti-abortion political agenda” in the wake of a series of undercover videos that appear to show the organization profited from fetal organ sales.

Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards revealed the policy shift in a letter to Francis Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health. Planned Parenthood has maintained it only recoups its own expenses for harvesting and donating fetal tissue, the actual sale of which is barred by federal law. 

“In order to completely debunk the disingenuous argument that our opponents have been using – and to reveal the true political purpose of these attacks – our Federation has decided, going forward, that any Planned Parenthood health center that is involved in donating tissue after an abortion for medical research will…accept no reimbursement for its reasonable expenses,” Richards wrote.

While it is legal for clinics to be reimbursed for any expenses incurred during the donation process, a series of undercover videos produced by an anti-abortion activist group have suggested that Planned Parenthood may actually profit from the sale of body parts, which would be illegal.

The project lead of the Center for Medical Progress, the group behind the undercover videos that shed light on the organ harvesting, called Richards' letter "an admission of guilt" in a statement to FoxNews.com.

"This proves what CMP has been saying all along -- Planned Parenthood incurs no actual costs, and the payments for harvested fetal parts have always been an extra profit margin," David Daleiden said in the statement.

Richards’ letter said the procedural change will only affect one Planned Parenthood clinic. She stated that there are “two affiliates currently facilitating donations for fetal tissue research,” one of which doesn’t accept reimbursement.

“Going forward, all of our health centers will follow the same policy, even if it means they will not recover reimbursements permitted by the 1993 law,” Richards wrote, referencing the law which legalized fetal tissue research on aborted babies.

Some candidates seeking the Republican presidential nomination have loudly voiced their opposition to Planned Parenthood's practices, particularly Carly Fiorina.

"This organization is continuing to butcher babies for their body parts while mocking pregnancy centers and taking taxpayer dollars," Fiorina said in a statement to FoxNews.com. "This is about the character of our nation."

Congress has jumped in too, grilling Richards during a hearing about Planned Parenthood in September. Several in Congress also have called for revoking the roughly $500 million in annual funding Planned Parenthood receives from Washington.

"Significant questions still remain about Planned Parenthood's finances," Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-UT, said in a statement. Chaffetz is the chairman of the committee investigating Planned Parenthood. "This decision does not answer the question as to why a non-profit, tax-exempt organization reporting approximately $125M in revenue over expenses annually needs a subsidy from the American taxpayer."

Chaffetz said the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee would continue it's investigation, undercutting any attempt by Richards to inoculate her organization from future attacks. Still the letter could serve to stifle what has become a potent social rallying cry on the political right in the early run-up to the primaries.

“Our decision is first and foremost about preserving the ability of our patients to donate tissue, and to expose our opponents’ false charges about this limited but important work,” Richards wrote.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/13/planned-parenthood-to-stop-taking-reimbursements-for-body-part-donations/?intcmp=hpbt1


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on October 20, 2015, 08:29:24 AM
Texas cuts Planned Parenthood from Medicaid
By Tal Kopan, CNN
Mon October 19, 2015 | Video Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)The state of Texas on Monday informed Planned Parenthood affiliates that it was cutting off the organization from the state's Medicaid program -- citing recently released undercover videos of as evidence of violations.

A letter from the Texas Health and Human Services Commission Office of the Inspector General went out Monday to inform affiliates they are believed to be "no longer capable of performing medical services in a professionally competent, safe, legal, and ethical manner," according to a copy posted by The Dallas Morning News.

The organization has been under fire nationally since the videos began coming out this summer from an anti-abortion activist group. One video was shot in a Texas clinic.

Republicans have called for Planned Parenthood to be defunded at the federal level. Democrats have maintained federal dollars are already prohibited from going to abortions, and that Planned Parenthood provides important health care for women.

Planned Parenthood on Monday blasted the decision to cut Medicaid contracts for providing birth control, cancer screenings, HIV tests and preventative care, noting that a federal judge in Louisiana on Monday blocked a similar move.

"It is completely outrageous that Texas officials are using thoroughly discredited, fraudulent videos to cut women off from preventive health care," Executive Vice President Dawn Laguens said in a statement. "We will fight back against this outrageous, malicious, political attack in Texas with everything we've got, and we will protect women's access to the health care they need and deserve."

Republicans in the House voted to create a select committee to investigate Planned Parenthood over the objections of Democrats.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/19/politics/texas-planned-parenthood-medicaid-cuts/index.html


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on October 27, 2015, 09:04:31 AM
Planned Parenthood doctor appears to admit to partial-birth abortions
Published October 27, 2015
FoxNews.com

A Planned Parenthood doctor laughs as she says she continues to “strive” to deliver an aborted baby with an intact skull and appears to admit participating in partial-birth abortions in the latest undercover video released Tuesday targeting Planned Parenthood.

A woman identified as Dr. Amna Dermish of Planned Parenthood of Greater Texas is the focus of the Center for Medical Progress’ 11th video, which is purported to have been filmed during a medical conference in October 2014.

“My aim is usually to get the specimens out pretty intact,” Dermish says at one point.

“Well this will give me something to strive for!”

- Dr. Amna Dermish, when asked if she's delivered a fetus with an intact skull
Dermish says in the video that she does not use the chemical digoxin, used to kill fetuses in the womb, before 20 weeks. She doesn’t say if she uses another chemical during the more than eight-minute, edited clip, and CMP asserts that means babies are delivered alive and killed outside of the womb. Dermish says she has used “ultrasound guidance” to manipulate fetuses for feet-first abortions in the video, a practice CMP describes as a “hallmark” of the illegal partial-birth abortion procedure.

A partial-birth abortion is defined as “deliberately and intentionally vaginally” delivering a living fetus where “any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother, for the purpose of” killing the fetus. The practice was outlawed by President George W. Bush in 2003.

“Usually what I do, if it’s a [feet-first] presentation, I’ll remove the extremities first, the lower extremities, and then go for the spine and then sort of bring it down that way,” Dermish says.

Asked about harvesting intact fetal brains, Dermish says she has not been able to do that yet.

“Well this will give me something to strive for!” she says, laughing.

When discussing a colleague that is able to identify nine-week fetal hearts in the remains of aborted babies, a woman identified as being from Whole Women’s Health, another abortion clinic, interjects, “Well it’s cute. It is cute.”

Dermish adds: “It’s amazing. It’s sort of – I have so much respect for development. It’s just incredible. So she’s always at 10, 11, 12 weeks, she’s like trying to find the kidneys and any of the organs of that gestation.”

Previous CMP videos have appeared to show Planned Parenthood officials admitting the organization alters abortion procedures to procure fetal tissue, delivers intact fetuses and sells fetal tissue for profit. Each of those practices is against federal law.

Planned Parenthood has denied breaking any laws and has said payments discussed in the videos relate to reimbursement costs for procuring the tissue – which is legal. Earlier this month, Planned Parenthood announced it would stop taking money from researchers for aborted baby parts.

“These extremists show a total lack of compassion and dignity for women’s most personal medical decisions,” an Aug. 4 statement from Planned Parenthood said.

The videos have spurred investigations of Planned Parenthood's policies on aborted fetuses by several Republican-led congressional committees and numerous states. Investigators in Florida cited four Planned Parenthood clinics for violations in August. Outgoing House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, announced in September that Republicans would be leading a select committee to investigate Planned Parenthood.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/27/planned-parenthood-doctor-appears-to-admit-to-partial-birth-abortions/?intcmp=hpbt3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tgez97aG74


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Necrosis on October 28, 2015, 03:03:22 AM
why are you still posting videos, no reasonable person is going to look at that shit.

When you know something to be true you generally don't have to doctor videos and in essence, lie.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on October 28, 2015, 12:22:49 PM
why are you still posting videos, no reasonable person is going to look at that shit.

When you know something to be true you generally don't have to doctor videos and in essence, lie.

Don't watch if they don't interest you. 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on October 28, 2015, 12:24:28 PM
U.S. judge bars Alabama from defunding Planned Parenthood clinics
Reuters
By Letitia Stein
August 31, 2015

(Reuters) - A federal judge on Wednesday blocked Alabama from defunding Planned Parenthood clinics amid controversy over the release of covertly recorded videos about the reproductive health organization's handling of aborted fetal tissue.

U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson issued a preliminary injunction after Planned Parenthood challenged the state's move to terminate its contract to provide services under Medicaid, the federal and state healthcare program for the poor.

The judge wrote that Alabama had not provided a reason for terminating its agreement with the Planned Parenthood affiliate serving the region, as required under federal law. Planned Parenthood, which has clinics in Mobile and Birmingham, is an abortion provider.

"This is an absolute victory. The state of Alabama cannot impermissibly target abortion providers for unfair treatment," said Susan Watson, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Alabama, which joined in the lawsuit.

Alabama Governor Robert Bentley, a Republican named in the suit, said he was considering the state's legal options.

"I am disappointed, and vehemently disagree with the court’s ruling today," he said in a statement.

He was one of several Republican governors who have sought to strip funding from Planned Parenthood clinics following the release this summer of videos secretly recorded by an anti-abortion group, the Center for Medical Progress.

Planned Parenthood has denied the group's claims that the videos show wrongdoing and has challenged similar defunding efforts in other Republican-controlled states, calling them politically motivated.

The organization cheered the Alabama ruling and noted that it has now seen success in three other states: Arkansas, Louisiana and Utah, where it also challenged similar defunding efforts.

"For the fourth time in six weeks, the courts have ruled to protect access to care at Planned Parenthood," said Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, in a statement.

In Louisiana, a federal judge temporarily blocked the state from cutting Medicaid funding to the group's clinics as the legal fight over the payments continues. Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, a Republican presidential candidate, has said he would appeal.

In Arkansas, the organization is pursuing a class action complaint on behalf of state Medicaid patients, after a U.S. judge narrowly ordered the state to continue payments to three women who challenged the state's defunding.

The organization also won a temporary judicial order barring Utah Governor Gary Herbert, a Republican, from revoking state contracts with Planned Parenthood.

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-blocks-alabama-defunding-planned-parenthood-clinics-154537869.html


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Necrosis on October 28, 2015, 01:20:19 PM
Don't watch if they don't interest you. 

it's not a matter of interest but of integrity. These people have been caught doctoring videos, they have no credibility left.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on October 28, 2015, 01:22:58 PM
it's not a matter of interest but of integrity. These people have been caught doctoring videos, they have no credibility left.

Sounds like a talking point.  I haven't seen proof that these videos are doctored.  Have you?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on October 28, 2015, 01:24:15 PM
Banned abortion video leaked, appears to show clinic owner advocating burning of fetuses
By  Cody Derespina
Published October 28, 2015
FoxNews.com

Hidden camera footage shot by a pro-life group and leaked online despite a court order purportedly shows a Michigan abortion provider talking about dumping fetuses in a garbage disposal, giving them back to patients in a “gift bag” and even burning them for heat.

U.S. District Judge William Orrick issued a restraining order in August barring the Center for Medical Progress from releasing a host of undercover videos shot at National Abortion Federation conferences in 2013, 2014 and 2015. But on Oct. 6 Orrick allowed CMP to send the footage to a House committee investigating Planned Parenthood, and that footage was leaked to blog GotNews.com later in the month. CMP officials deny being the source of the leak.

The 11 new videos comprise more than four-and-a-half hours of footage covertly shot during seminars and one-on-one conversations with individuals in the abortion industry.


“We thought, ‘We’ll give it to everybody in a gift bag, they can take it home and figure out what to do with it.'"

- Renee Chelian

Some of the most ghastly moments come from a woman identified as Renee Chelian by non-profit Right to Life Michigan. In footage shot in April 2014, Chelian, who owns a chain of abortion clinics in Michigan and is not affiliated with Planned Parenthood, addresses an audience and discusses her frustrations trying to dispose of five months of backlogged fetal remains.

“The garbage disposal was the completely legal option,” Chelian says. “Which made me sick to my stomach because there were about 45 clinics in the Detroit metropolitan area and many of them were using garbage disposals, so I was busy contacting everyone that we have to stop, [saying], 'We can’t be on the front page of The New York Times. You shouldn’t be doing this, any of you.'


"They consistently showed me, like, a 40-year-old law in the state of Michigan that said medical waste was fine to go in the sewer system," she added. "I couldn’t really argue with them.”

Her efforts to find a solution took her to various funeral homes and pet crematoriums, and she also investigated using “green technology” that functioned “like a dishwasher,” in which the operator adds a chemical and the fetal remains are then drained into the sewer system. Eventually, she says in the footage, Chelian paid someone to dispose of 20 bottles of fetal remains “into my garbage disposal.”

“We were really tempted to give the fetus back, but of course we couldn’t do that,” Chelian said. “We thought, ‘We’ll give it to everybody in a gift bag, they can take it home and figure out what to do with it. It’s their pregnancy and why is this our problem?’”

She drew roars of laughter for her “gift bag” idea from the crowd listening and also elicited howls for a sarcastic plot to burn the aborted babies in a “bonfire” in the woods.

During a question-and-answer session, a woman from Vancouver, Canada mentions that her abortion facility ships its fetal remains to “a waste energy facility” in Oregon where the tissue is burned to provide energy.

“It seems like a really good solution!” Chelian interjects.

Chelian regretfully opines that abortion providers are “afraid to tell the truth” and “everything is a secret” when it comes to disposing of dead baby parts.

The Marion County Waste-to-Energy Facility in Oregon alluded to by the questioner denied in April 2014 that the plant was using fetal remains in its garbage burning operation.

“We’re not burning babies,” Vice President of Marketing and Communications Jill Stueck told the Portland Tribune at the time.

But whether that specific example is true or not, the concept is rooted in reality. The Oregon allegations came just a month after multiple British news outlets reported that 10 National Health Service hospital trusts admitted to burning aborted and miscarried fetuses alongside trash to generate power for heating.

Ed Rivet, the Legislative Director for Right to Life Michigan, said Chelian’s story is indicative of practices prevalent in the abortion industry.

“They’ve been cutting corners for decades,” Rivet told FoxNews.com. “And they’re trying to keep the prices artificially cheap, and the only way to do that it is to lower your standards and not do things the way the rest of the medical world does.”

Previous videos shot by CMP have appeared to show Planned Parenthood officials admitting the organization alters abortion procedures to procure fetal tissue, delivers intact fetuses and sells fetal tissue for profit. Each of those practices is against federal law.

Planned Parenthood has denied breaking any laws and has said payments discussed in the videos relate to reimbursement costs for procuring the tissue – which is legal. Earlier this month, Planned Parenthood announced it would stop taking money from researchers for aborted baby parts.

The videos have spurred investigations of Planned Parenthood's policies on aborted fetuses by several Republican-led congressional committees including a newly announced select committee.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/28/banned-abortion-video-leaked-appears-to-show-clinic-owner-advocating-burning/?intcmp=hpbt3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4P3oHI7KFQ


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on November 02, 2015, 09:14:01 AM
Paul Ryan doubtful about defunding Planned Parenthood
By Eugene Scott, CNN
Sun November 1, 2015

Washington (CNN)Paul Ryan doesn't believe Planned Parenthood should get one "red cent" from taxpayers -- but he cautioned Sunday against expectations that he'll be able to pull federal funding for the organization now that he's House speaker.

"I think we need to be very clear about what we can and cannot achieve and not set expectations that we know we can't reach given the constraints of the Constitution," Ryan told CNN's Dana Bash on "State of the Union."

The women's health organization has long drawn the ire of anti-abortion lawmakers, but efforts to pull federal funding for it increased after activists released undercover videos accusing Planned Parenthood of breaking federal laws by selling tissue and organs from aborted fetuses.

"I don't think Planned Parenthood should get a red cent from the taxpayer. I've always believed that, even before these disgusting videos came out," Ryan said. "But I believe we need to do our oversight. We're just beginning to start a committee to investigate Planned Parenthood. That's important. So the special committee on Planned Parenthood, I think, should be in the driver's seat overseeing this process."

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Bash asked, "Will you defund Planned Parenthood?"

"This is what I mean when I say being an effective opposition party. I think being an effective opposition party means being honest with people upfront about what it is we can and cannot achieve," he said.

"But we also have to push issues where we can push issues, we have to speak truth to power," he added. "We have a president that isn't willing to listen, that isn't going to sign lots of our bills into law, we have a Senate that has a very difficult process when it comes to actually getting bills voted on, so knowing that we have those constraints, we have to operate within those constraints."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/01/politics/paul-ryan-planned-parenthood/index.html


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on November 02, 2015, 10:12:00 AM
Paul Ryan doubtful about defunding Planned Parenthood

Ryan is Boehnner II.

LOL @ tea party "repubs" who were loving on this guy 5 minutes ago.

he's a big spending, pro-amnesty RINO and he smiled with a reassuring hug, as boehnner/pelosi kissed and gave us the last obama budget until 2017.

This repub senate class has just been neutered for the 2nd time.  Cruz and friends have ZERO power over obama now.  Boehnner and Ryan took away the power of the purse strings.   Business as usual.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 03, 2015, 05:34:14 AM
No more RINOs, no more RINOs, no more... oh look we want Paul to lead our party.....


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: 240 is Back on November 03, 2015, 07:40:58 AM
No more RINOs, no more RINOs, no more... oh look we want Paul to lead our party.....

LOL! 

it's already more of the same.  Paul Ryan, a huge amnesty guy, saying we cannot trump obama on immigration.
Rubio has one accomplishment in congress - writing amnesty/Dream with obama lol.

these folks play in the dirt with obama all day, then get on FOX and scream about the mess.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: whork on November 03, 2015, 08:56:39 AM
Ryan was instrumental in solving the gridlock.

He seems more responsible than the rest of his party members.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on November 03, 2015, 09:18:52 AM
Sounds like a talking point.  I haven't seen proof that these videos are doctored.  Have you?

the proof was already given to you in this thread

It's always hilarious how you pretend not to know something (or choose not to look at it) so you can maintain your willful ignorance

"Nonprofit organization" is often a misnomer.  All organizations have to make money, one way or another, to function.  It definitely sounds like PP is trying generate profits (revenue, income, whatever you want to call it) to advance their business, which is in part killing unborn babies.  I agree with bears on this that they cannot identify the "costs" that are being "reimbursed."  If you watch the videos, they are clearly talking about making money, not simply getting reimbursed for unstated costs.    

We don't have to sell either intact or dismembered dead babies to advance science.  

Pro abortion people absolutely dehumanize the baby.  That's partly what makes it so easy for them to embrace and celebrate one of the most gruesome practices in the country.  Whether you agree with legalized abortion or not, it is an awful procedure.  

for fucks sake you're a blatant liar

the full video shows them saying over and over that this not a money making endeavor

Quote
At one point in the unedited video (which was also released by the group), Nucatola says: “Affiliates are not looking to make money by doing this. They’re looking to serve their patients and just make it not impact their bottom line.”
Nucatola also says, “No one’s going to see this as a money making thing.” And at another point, she says, “Our goal, like I said, is to give patients the option without impacting our bottom line. The messaging is this should not be seen as a new revenue stream, because that’s not what it is.

here again are the statement of 4 experts in the field of tissue procurement explaining the costs involved.

or you can just look at the statement from the CNN article which dumbs it down for people like you

It turns out that cadavers, livers, kidneys, eyes and other organs don't walk themselves over to the local hospital or medical school for free.

Quote

Four experts in the field of human tissue procurement told us the price range discussed in the video — $30 to $100 per patient — represents a reasonable fee. “There’s no way there’s a profit at that price,” said Sherilyn J. Sawyer, the director of Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s “biorepository.”

Nucatola’s comment, though, isn’t evidence that Planned Parenthood or its affiliates are selling “body parts” or fetal tissue for profit. The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues. Nucatola talks about “space issues” and whether shipping would be involved.

We also asked experts in the use of human tissue for research about the potential for profit. Sherilyn J. Sawyer, the director of Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s “biorepository,” told us that “there’s no way there’s a profit at that price.”She continued in an email:

Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee.

Jim Vaught, president of the International Society for Biological and Environmental Repositories and formerly the deputy director of the National Cancer Institute’s Office of Biorepositories and Biospecimen Research, told us in an email that “$30 to $100 per sample is a reasonable charge for clinical operations to recover their costs for providing tissue.” In fact, he said, the costs to a clinic are often much higher, but most operations that provide this kind of tissue have “no intention of fully recovering [their] costs, much less making a profit.”

Carolyn Compton, the chief medical and science officer of Arizona State University’s National Biomarkers Development Alliance and a former director of biorepositories and biospecimen research at the National Cancer Institute, agreed that this was “a modest price tag for cost recovery.” Compton told us in an email: ” ‘Profit’ is out of the question, in my mind. I would say that whoever opined about ‘profit’ knows very little about the effort and expense involved in providing human biospecimens for research purposes.”


Bum - if you're still confused it's just due to willful ignorance


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Necrosis on November 04, 2015, 06:08:38 AM
Beach Bum, did you finish high school? serious question


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on November 04, 2015, 09:29:04 AM
Beach Bum, did you finish high school? serious question

Nah.  I graduated from the school of hard knocks.  Why do you ask? 


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on December 03, 2015, 03:39:52 PM
Senate Republicans Just Voted To Defund Planned Parenthood
Six days after a Planned Parenthood shooting.
Jennifer Bendery
White House & Congressional Reporter, The Huffington Post 
December 3, 2015

WASHINGTON -- Senate Republicans overwhelmingly voted Thursday to defund Planned Parenthood, a purely symbolic effort that could come back to bite some of the party's moderates.

The chamber spent all of Thursday debating a GOP bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act that included a provision to eliminate funding for the reproductive health care provider. Senators rejected two separate amendments to strip out that language.

The first amendment, offered by Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), would have restored Planned Parenthood funding and created a $1 billion women's health care clinic safety fund, fully paid for by a new tax on millionaires. The chamber voted to table it, 54-46.

The second amendment, offered by Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), would have simply restored Planned Parenthood funding. The measure failed, 48-52.

Democrats knew they would lose on Murray's amendment, but wanted to force a handful of moderate Republicans to take a politically uncomfortable vote. It worked.

Pro-choice GOP Sens. Collins and Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) voted against the Democratic amendment, while Mark Kirk (Ill.), who is also pro-choice, voted for it. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.) and Rob Portman (Ohio), both considered moderates in their party, opposed the measure.

"While Republicans may want to avoid taking this tough vote, Democrats are going to keep making it very clear exactly where we stand: with women across the country," Murray said ahead of the vote.

The vote was particularly challenging for Kirk and Ayotte. Kirk is in a tight race against Rep. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.) for his Senate seat next year, and a July poll showed Duckworth leading by 6 points. Ayotte is also up for re-election, and her race is considered a key battleground in the fight over abortion rights.

Portman, another senator who is facing a re-election race in 2016, has taken hits back home over his support for defunding Planned Parenthood.

Liz Johnson, a spokeswoman for Ayotte, said the New Hampshire Republican opposed Murray's amendment because she "supports the current language in the bill that redirects funding from Planned Parenthood to community health centers." Johnson did not respond, though, when asked if Ayotte has concerns about that approach given that community health centers have indicated they don't have the capacity to take on Planned Parenthood's patients.

Similarly, Portman spokeswoman Caitlin Conant said Portman is "pleased" to support a bill that defunds Planned Parenthood and redirects its millions of patients to community health centers. Conant did not respond when asked about concerns with that approach being untenable.

Collins spokeswoman Annie Clark said the senator voted against the measure because its new spending was financed by "a tax increase that would make it harder for small businesses to compete and survive." She added that Collins has "consistently opposed defunding Planned Parenthood" because it provides important health care services to millions of women.

Aides to Murkowski and Kirk did not respond to requests for comment on why they voted the way they did.

Some of the senators switched their votes when Collins' amendment came up. Collins, obviously, voted for it, as did Murkowski and Kirk. Ayotte and Portman opposed it.

The bill itself won't become law; the president has already threatened to veto it. But Republicans are voting on it anyway to make statements about policy issues ranging from abortion to gun control to health care.

This story has been updated to include comment from Caitlin Conant.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/defund-planned-parenthood-republicans_566078aae4b079b2818d8011


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Necrosis on December 05, 2015, 03:10:56 AM
Senate Republicans Just Voted To Defund Planned Parenthood
Six days after a Planned Parenthood shooting.
Jennifer Bendery
White House & Congressional Reporter, The Huffington Post 
December 3, 2015

WASHINGTON -- Senate Republicans overwhelmingly voted Thursday to defund Planned Parenthood, a purely symbolic effort that could come back to bite some of the party's moderates.

The chamber spent all of Thursday debating a GOP bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act that included a provision to eliminate funding for the reproductive health care provider. Senators rejected two separate amendments to strip out that language.



The first amendment, offered by Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), would have restored Planned Parenthood funding and created a $1 billion women's health care clinic safety fund, fully paid for by a new tax on millionaires. The chamber voted to table it, 54-46.

The second amendment, offered by Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), would have simply restored Planned Parenthood funding. The measure failed, 48-52.

Democrats knew they would lose on Murray's amendment, but wanted to force a handful of moderate Republicans to take a politically uncomfortable vote. It worked.

Pro-choice GOP Sens. Collins and Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) voted against the Democratic amendment, while Mark Kirk (Ill.), who is also pro-choice, voted for it. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.) and Rob Portman (Ohio), both considered moderates in their party, opposed the measure.

"While Republicans may want to avoid taking this tough vote, Democrats are going to keep making it very clear exactly where we stand: with women across the country," Murray said ahead of the vote.

The vote was particularly challenging for Kirk and Ayotte. Kirk is in a tight race against Rep. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.) for his Senate seat next year, and a July poll showed Duckworth leading by 6 points. Ayotte is also up for re-election, and her race is considered a key battleground in the fight over abortion rights.

Portman, another senator who is facing a re-election race in 2016, has taken hits back home over his support for defunding Planned Parenthood.

Liz Johnson, a spokeswoman for Ayotte, said the New Hampshire Republican opposed Murray's amendment because she "supports the current language in the bill that redirects funding from Planned Parenthood to community health centers." Johnson did not respond, though, when asked if Ayotte has concerns about that approach given that community health centers have indicated they don't have the capacity to take on Planned Parenthood's patients.

Similarly, Portman spokeswoman Caitlin Conant said Portman is "pleased" to support a bill that defunds Planned Parenthood and redirects its millions of patients to community health centers. Conant did not respond when asked about concerns with that approach being untenable.

Collins spokeswoman Annie Clark said the senator voted against the measure because its new spending was financed by "a tax increase that would make it harder for small businesses to compete and survive." She added that Collins has "consistently opposed defunding Planned Parenthood" because it provides important health care services to millions of women.

Aides to Murkowski and Kirk did not respond to requests for comment on why they voted the way they did.

Some of the senators switched their votes when Collins' amendment came up. Collins, obviously, voted for it, as did Murkowski and Kirk. Ayotte and Portman opposed it.

The bill itself won't become law; the president has already threatened to veto it. But Republicans are voting on it anyway to make statements about policy issues ranging from abortion to gun control to health care.

This story has been updated to include comment from Caitlin Conant.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/defund-planned-parenthood-republicans_566078aae4b079b2818d8011


WHY?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on January 14, 2016, 03:01:47 PM
Planned Parenthood sues over undercover abortion videos
By Sarah Ferris
01/14/16
(http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_full/public/article_images/plannedparenthoodbuilding08102015getty.jpg?itok=0qTwbi6o)

Planned Parenthood on Thursday filed a long-awaited federal lawsuit against the anti-abortion activists who have targeted the group with undercover videos for the last year.

The formal complaint marks the first time that Planned Parenthood has taken legal action against the group, the Center for Medical Progress.

The national organization, along with its California affiliate, is accusing the Center for Medical Progress and its organizer David Daleiden for unlawful behavior ranging from secret taping to trespassing. The group said the Center for Medical Progress has violated the laws of three states as well as federal law.

“Today, Planned Parenthood is going on the offense,” Kathy Kneer, president of Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California said in a call with reporters.
In response, Daleiden released a statement that said “game on.”

“I look forward to deposing all the CEOs, Medical Directors, and their co-conspirators who participated in Planned Parenthood's illegal baby body parts racket,” he said.

Daleiden, who has become a national figure in the abortion debate this year, has released 10 videos featuring secretly recorded footage of Planned Parenthood staff members discussing fetal tissue donated from abortions.

The footage includes clips of at least one conversation in which a Planned Parenthood official discusses the amount of money that the group can receive in reimbursement for the fetal tissue.

The jarring dialogue, while it does not indicate illegal activity, has sparked a national outcry and forced Planned Parenthood to defend its funding on the national and state level.

Planned Parenthood has repeatedly defended the practice of allowing women to donate fetal tissue for medical research, though it announced last year that it would no longer accept reimbursement for the procedure.

Planned Parenthood officials say they are still assessing how much money they will seek in damages in the case. In the complaint, the group announced it is seeking compensatory, statutory and punitive damages.

 The timing for the decision is unclear, though the group’s chief legal counsel, Beth Parker, made clear it could take as long as 18 months. The legal back-and-forth could intensify the political debate on abortion through the upcoming elections.

 Planned Parenthood’s executive vice president Dawn Laguens alleged that the Center for Medical Progress has “colluded with right-wing state legislators and members of Congress” in their attack.

“The complaint we filed today, names for the first time, the key individuals behind this fraud. They are some of the nation’s most extreme anti-abortion activists,” Laguens said.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/265905-planned-parenthood-files-suit-against-group-behind-videos


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on January 25, 2016, 04:00:16 PM
Fundie Liars lose again...and in Texas

Texas grand jury clears Planned Parenthood, indicts its accusers


Washington (CNN)A Texas investigation into Planned Parenthood on Monday culminated in an indictment -- of the organization's accusers instead of the group.

The Harris County District Attorney's office announced that Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast had been cleared in the two-month-long investigation.

But the grand jury did indict two individuals who were involved in making secret recordings of the group that were released to publicly discredit the group, which provides health services and abortions.

David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt were indicted for tampering with a governmental record, a second-degree felony, and Daleiden was also indicted on the count of prohibition of the purchase and sale of human organs, a misdemeanor, according to the Harris County district attorney.

"We were called upon to investigate allegations of criminal conduct by Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast," Harris County District Attorney Devon Anderson said in a statement. "As I stated at the outset of this investigation, we must go where the evidence leads us. All the evidence uncovered in the course of this investigation was presented to the grand jury. I respect their decision on this difficult case."

Planned Parenthood officials lauded the indictments.

"As the dust settles and the truth comes out, it's become totally clear that the only people who engaged in wrongdoing are the criminals behind this fraud, and we're glad they're being held accountable," said Eric Ferrero, vice president of communications for Planned Parenthood Federation of America, in a statement.

Daleiden did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said state officials were continuing to investigate the Texas Planned Parenthood, however.

"The Health and Human Service Commission's Inspector General and the Attorney General's office have an ongoing investigation into Planned Parenthood's actions," Abbott said in a statement. "Nothing about today's announcement in Harris County impacts the state's ongoing investigation. The State of Texas will continue to protect life, and I will continue to support legislation prohibiting the sale or transfer of fetal tissue."

 
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/25/politics/planned-parenthood-activists-indicted/index.html

Even Jesus Approves of This


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on January 26, 2016, 02:31:30 PM
Now it's on Fox News

I wonder if our resident fundies will acknowledge it now

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/25/grand-jury-indicts-leader-behind-planned-parenthood-videos.html

Grand jury in Texas indicts activists behind Planned Parenthood videos

A Houston grand jury investigating criminal allegations against Planned Parenthood stemming from a series of undercover videos on Monday instead indicted two of the anti-abortion activists who shot the footage.

In a stunning turn of events, the grand jury declined to indict officials from the abortion provider, and instead handed up a felony charges of tampering with a government record against Center for Medical Progress founder David Daleiden and center employee Sandra Merritt. Daleidon was also charged with a misdemeanor count related to purchasing human organs.

"We were called upon to investigate allegations of criminal conduct by Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast," Harris County District Attorney Devon Anderson said. "As I stated at the outset of this investigation, we must go where the evidence leads us. All the evidence uncovered in the course of this investigation was presented to the grand jury. I respect their decision on this difficult case."

The case sprang from a series of dramatic undercover videos in which Center for Medical Progress employees posed as prospective buyers of fetal tissue, and captured several employees of Planned Parenthood and its contractors appearing to discuss practices banned by law. However, when the videos were released online last year, Planned Parenthood claimed selective editing had created a misperception.

Anderson didn't provide details on the charges, including what record or records were allegedly tampered with and why Daleiden faces a charge related to buying human organs. Anderson's office said it could not provide details until the documents charging Daleiden and Merritt were formally made public.

"The Center for Medical Progress uses the same undercover techniques that investigative journalists have used for decades in exercising our First Amendment rights to freedom of speech and of the press, and follows all applicable laws," Daleiden said in a statement in response to the indictment.

"We respect the processes of the Harris County District Attorney, and note that buying fetal tissue requires a seller as well. Planned Parenthood still cannot deny the admissions from their leadership about fetal organ sales captured on video for all the world to see," the statement continued.

Planned Parenthood officials swiftly hailed the indictment as vindication.

"These anti-abortion extremists spent three years creating a fake company, creating fake identities, lying, and breaking the law. When they couldn't find any improper or illegal activity, they made it up," Eric Ferrero, vice president of communications for Planned Parenthood Federation of America, said in a statement.

“As the dust settles and the truth comes out, it's become totally clear that the only people who engaged in wrongdoing are the criminals behind this fraud, and we're glad they're being held accountable,” Ferrero said.

The videos, some of which were shot in Texas, riled anti-abortion activists and prompted Republicans in Congress last summer to unsuccessfully called for cutting off funding for the organization.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican, has called footage from the Planned Parenthood clinic in Houston "repulsive and unconscionable." It showed people pretending to be from a company that procures fetal tissue for research touring the facility. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton also opened his own investigation into the videos.

Abbott said the indictments will not impact the state's investigation

“The State of Texas will continue to protect life, and I will continue to support legislation prohibiting the sale or transfer of fetal tissue,” he said in a statement.

Rep. Diane Black, R-Tenn., author of the House-passed "Defund Planned Parenthood Act of 2015," said the she was “profoundly disappointed” in the indictments.

“It is a sad day in America when those who harvest the body parts of aborted babies escape consequences for their actions, while the courageous truth-tellers who expose their misdeeds are handed down a politically motivated indictment instead,” she said.

Planned Parenthood says it abides by a law that allows providers to be reimbursed for the costs of processing tissue donated by women who have had abortions.

The Texas video was the fifth released by the group. Before its release, Melaney Linton, president of the Houston Planned Parenthood clinic, told state lawmakers last summer that it was likely to feature actors — pretending to be from a company called BioMax — asking leading questions about how to select potential donors for a supposed study of sickle cell anemia.

Linton said the footage could feature several interactions initiated by BioMax about how and whether a doctor could adjust an abortion if the patient has offered to donate tissue for medical research. She also said Planned Parenthood believed the video would be manipulated.

Earlier this month, Planned Parenthood sued the center in a California federal court, alleging extensive criminal misconduct. The lawsuit says the center's videos were the result of numerous illegalities, including making recordings without consent, registering false identities with state agencies and violating non-disclosure agreements.

After the lawsuit was filed, Daleiden told The Associated Press that he looked forward to confronting Planned Parenthood in court.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: BayGBM on January 26, 2016, 02:53:53 PM
Now it's on Fox News

I wonder if our resident fundies will acknowledge it now

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/25/grand-jury-indicts-leader-behind-planned-parenthood-videos.html

Grand jury in Texas indicts activists behind Planned Parenthood videos

A Houston grand jury investigating criminal allegations against Planned Parenthood stemming from a series of undercover videos on Monday instead indicted two of the anti-abortion activists who shot the footage.

In a stunning turn of events, the grand jury declined to indict officials from the abortion provider, and instead handed up a felony charges of tampering with a government record against Center for Medical Progress founder David Daleiden and center employee Sandra Merritt. Daleidon was also charged with a misdemeanor count related to purchasing human organs.

"We were called upon to investigate allegations of criminal conduct by Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast," Harris County District Attorney Devon Anderson said. "As I stated at the outset of this investigation, we must go where the evidence leads us. All the evidence uncovered in the course of this investigation was presented to the grand jury. I respect their decision on this difficult case."

The case sprang from a series of dramatic undercover videos in which Center for Medical Progress employees posed as prospective buyers of fetal tissue, and captured several employees of Planned Parenthood and its contractors appearing to discuss practices banned by law. However, when the videos were released online last year, Planned Parenthood claimed selective editing had created a misperception.

Anderson didn't provide details on the charges, including what record or records were allegedly tampered with and why Daleiden faces a charge related to buying human organs. Anderson's office said it could not provide details until the documents charging Daleiden and Merritt were formally made public.

"The Center for Medical Progress uses the same undercover techniques that investigative journalists have used for decades in exercising our First Amendment rights to freedom of speech and of the press, and follows all applicable laws," Daleiden said in a statement in response to the indictment.

"We respect the processes of the Harris County District Attorney, and note that buying fetal tissue requires a seller as well. Planned Parenthood still cannot deny the admissions from their leadership about fetal organ sales captured on video for all the world to see," the statement continued.

Planned Parenthood officials swiftly hailed the indictment as vindication.

"These anti-abortion extremists spent three years creating a fake company, creating fake identities, lying, and breaking the law. When they couldn't find any improper or illegal activity, they made it up," Eric Ferrero, vice president of communications for Planned Parenthood Federation of America, said in a statement.

“As the dust settles and the truth comes out, it's become totally clear that the only people who engaged in wrongdoing are the criminals behind this fraud, and we're glad they're being held accountable,” Ferrero said.

The videos, some of which were shot in Texas, riled anti-abortion activists and prompted Republicans in Congress last summer to unsuccessfully called for cutting off funding for the organization.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican, has called footage from the Planned Parenthood clinic in Houston "repulsive and unconscionable." It showed people pretending to be from a company that procures fetal tissue for research touring the facility. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton also opened his own investigation into the videos.

Abbott said the indictments will not impact the state's investigation

“The State of Texas will continue to protect life, and I will continue to support legislation prohibiting the sale or transfer of fetal tissue,” he said in a statement.

Rep. Diane Black, R-Tenn., author of the House-passed "Defund Planned Parenthood Act of 2015," said the she was “profoundly disappointed” in the indictments.

“It is a sad day in America when those who harvest the body parts of aborted babies escape consequences for their actions, while the courageous truth-tellers who expose their misdeeds are handed down a politically motivated indictment instead,” she said.

Planned Parenthood says it abides by a law that allows providers to be reimbursed for the costs of processing tissue donated by women who have had abortions.

The Texas video was the fifth released by the group. Before its release, Melaney Linton, president of the Houston Planned Parenthood clinic, told state lawmakers last summer that it was likely to feature actors — pretending to be from a company called BioMax — asking leading questions about how to select potential donors for a supposed study of sickle cell anemia.

Linton said the footage could feature several interactions initiated by BioMax about how and whether a doctor could adjust an abortion if the patient has offered to donate tissue for medical research. She also said Planned Parenthood believed the video would be manipulated.

Earlier this month, Planned Parenthood sued the center in a California federal court, alleging extensive criminal misconduct. The lawsuit says the center's videos were the result of numerous illegalities, including making recordings without consent, registering false identities with state agencies and violating non-disclosure agreements.

After the lawsuit was filed, Daleiden told The Associated Press that he looked forward to confronting Planned Parenthood in court.

Epic backfire video.  ;D


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Necrosis on January 27, 2016, 09:38:36 AM
Just go back through the thread, how many times have we said this is bullshit and the videos and people contained within are frauds?

How often can someone like beach be wrong?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on January 27, 2016, 09:44:45 AM
Just go back through the thread, how many times have we said this is bullshit and the videos and people contained within are frauds?

How often can someone like beach be wrong?

and after being shown proof over and over again that these videos were doctored he still made this post on page 12 of this thread

Sounds like a talking point.  I haven't seen proof that these videos are doctored.  Have you?

It's called willful fucking ignorance and it's a daily requirement for people like Bum


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 27, 2016, 05:32:11 PM
Just go back through the thread, how many times have we said this is bullshit and the videos and people contained within are frauds?

How often can someone like beach be wrong?


HAHAHAHAHA.  Is this a serious question?

Where is his response and spin now?


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on April 06, 2016, 08:37:45 AM
Abortion Activist Claims Planned Parenthood Videos Caused Raid At His Home
April 5, 2016

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) – An anti-abortion activist who made undercover videos at Planned Parenthood clinics said in a social media posting that California Department of Justice agents raided his home Tuesday.

Agents seized all video footage from his apartment, along with his personal information, David Daleiden said in a Facebook post. Daleiden, the founder of a group called the Center for Medical Progress, said agents left behind documents that he contends implicate Planned Parenthood in illegal behavior related to the handling of fetal tissue.

Center for Medical Progress spokesman Peter Robbio confirmed the social media posting is authentic, but he declined further comment. He said Daleiden lives in Orange County.

MORE: David Daleiden, Activist Behind Planned Parenthood Videos, Offered Probation

Rachele Huennekens, a spokeswoman for state Attorney General Kamala Harris, said in an email that she can’t comment on any ongoing investigation.

Harris said in July that she planned to review the undercover videos to see if center violated any state charity registration or reporting requirements. She said that could include whether Daleiden and a colleague impersonated representatives of a fake biomedical company or filmed the videos without Planned Parenthood’s consent.

Harris, a Democrat, is running for the U.S. Senate. Daleiden suggested in the social media posting that the raid was politically motivated because Harris has accepted campaign contributions from Planned Parenthood.

Daleiden faces related charges in Texas. One of his Texas attorneys, Terry Yates, did not return telephone and email messages Tuesday.

Texas authorities initially began a grand jury investigation of Planned Parenthood after the undercover videos were released in August.

But the grand jury cleared Planned Parenthood of misusing fetal tissue and indicted Daleiden and a colleague, Sandra Merritt, in January on charges including using fake driver’s licenses to get into a Houston clinic.

Daleiden previously said his group followed the law in making the videos. His post Tuesday called the raid an “attack on citizen journalism” and said he will “pursue all remedies to vindicate our First Amendment rights.”

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/04/05/abortion-activist-claims-planned-parenthood-videos-caused-raid-at-his-home/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Straw Man on April 06, 2016, 08:58:33 AM
Abortion Activist Claims Planned Parenthood Videos Caused Raid At His Home
April 5, 2016

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) – An anti-abortion activist who made undercover videos at Planned Parenthood clinics said in a social media posting that California Department of Justice agents raided his home Tuesday.

Agents seized all video footage from his apartment, along with his personal information, David Daleiden said in a Facebook post. Daleiden, the founder of a group called the Center for Medical Progress, said agents left behind documents that he contends implicate Planned Parenthood in illegal behavior related to the handling of fetal tissue.

Center for Medical Progress spokesman Peter Robbio confirmed the social media posting is authentic, but he declined further comment. He said Daleiden lives in Orange County.

MORE: David Daleiden, Activist Behind Planned Parenthood Videos, Offered Probation

Rachele Huennekens, a spokeswoman for state Attorney General Kamala Harris, said in an email that she can’t comment on any ongoing investigation.

Harris said in July that she planned to review the undercover videos to see if center violated any state charity registration or reporting requirements. She said that could include whether Daleiden and a colleague impersonated representatives of a fake biomedical company or filmed the videos without Planned Parenthood’s consent.

Harris, a Democrat, is running for the U.S. Senate. Daleiden suggested in the social media posting that the raid was politically motivated because Harris has accepted campaign contributions from Planned Parenthood.

Daleiden faces related charges in Texas. One of his Texas attorneys, Terry Yates, did not return telephone and email messages Tuesday.

Texas authorities initially began a grand jury investigation of Planned Parenthood after the undercover videos were released in August.

But the grand jury cleared Planned Parenthood of misusing fetal tissue and indicted Daleiden and a colleague, Sandra Merritt, in January on charges including using fake driver’s licenses to get into a Houston clinic.

Daleiden previously said his group followed the law in making the videos. His post Tuesday called the raid an “attack on citizen journalism” and said he will “pursue all remedies to vindicate our First Amendment rights.”

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/04/05/abortion-activist-claims-planned-parenthood-videos-caused-raid-at-his-home/

you mean the guy indicted in Texas who may also be facing charges in California

how odd that his home would be raided

 ::)


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on July 26, 2016, 09:25:42 AM
Last charge dropped against anti-abortion duo behind Planned Parenthood videos
Published July 26, 2016 
FoxNews.com

A Texas judge on Tuesday dismissed the last remaining charge against two anti-abortion activists who made undercover videos allegedly showing Planned Parenthood officials selling baby body parts.

District Judge Brock Thomas dismissed the charge of tampering with government records against 27-year-old David Daleiden and 63-year-old Sandra Merritt upon the request of the Harris County prosecutor's office.

"The dismissal of the bogus, politically motivated charges against [Center for Medical Progress] project lead David Daleiden and investigator Sandra Merritt is a resounding vindication of the First Amendment rights of all citizen journalists, and also a clear warning to any of Planned Parenthood's political cronies who would attack whistleblowers to protect Planned Parenthood from scrutiny," Daleiden said in a statement.

The pair's attorneys had pushed to have the charge dismissed, saying Daleiden and Merritt never should have been indicted. If they had been convicted of the felony charge, each could have been sentenced to up to 20 years in prison.

Prosecutors alleged that Daleiden and Merritt used fake driver's licenses to conceal their identities while dealing with Planned Parenthood.

Daleiden claimed victory on Tuesday, not only for his legal woes coming to an end, but also due to the continuing investigation into Planned Parenthood's practices, an investigation spurred on by the videos he helped produce.

"A year after the release of the undercover videos, the ongoing nationwide investigation of Planned Parenthood by the House Select Investigative Panel makes clear that Planned Parenthood is the guilty party in the harvesting and trafficking of baby body parts for profit," Daleiden said.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/26/last-charge-dropped-against-anti-abortion-duo-behind-planned-parenthood-videos.html


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on September 29, 2016, 03:28:04 PM
Federal judge blocks Arkansas Planned Parenthood defunding
Published September 29, 2016
Associated Press
(http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/politics/2016/09/29/federal-judge-blocks-arkansas-planned-parenthood-defunding/_jcr_content/par/featured-media/media-0.img.jpg/876/493/1475186836527.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
In this Jan. 22, 2009, file photo, the shadow of an anti-abortion activist holding a cross can be seen near a Planned Parenthood in Dubuque, Iowa.  (AP)

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. –  A federal judge on Thursday temporarily prohibited Arkansas from blocking Medicaid payments to Planned Parenthood, expanding her order requiring the state to continue paying for services for three patients who had sued over the move.

U.S. District Judge Kristine Baker issued a preliminary injunction preventing Arkansas from suspending payments to Planned Parenthood for any services to Medicaid patients in the state. Republican Gov. Asa Hutchinson last year terminated the organization's Medicaid contract because of secretly recorded videos made by an anti-abortion group.

Baker last year had ordered the state to continue paying for services for three women who sued over the defunding move, and Planned Parenthood asked her to expand that decision to cover any Medicaid patients who want to obtain health care services through the organization. The state has appealed that ruling covering the three patients to the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

Baker ruled Thursday that any future Medicaid patients who seek services at Planned Parenthood would suffer irreparable harm if she didn't expand that order.

"Should the court fail to issue injunctive relief, members of the patient class will be denied their choice of provider for family planning services," she wrote.

Planned Parenthood praised the ruling.

"This is a win for the Arkansans who rely on Planned Parenthood of the Heartland for birth control, cancer screenings, and other essential health care," Suzanna de Baca, chief executive officer ofPlanned Parenthood of the Heartland, said in a statement. "Every person deserves access to quality, affordable health care from the provider they know and trust, and today, the court recognized that."

Attorney General Leslie Rutledge, a Republican, said she was disappointed with Baker's decision.

"Her order unfortunately allows Planned Parenthood to continue to use its patients to pad its bottom line at taxpayers' expense," Rutledge said in a statement. "Thankfully, the ultimate issues in this case will be decided by the Court of Appeals."

The state has said Planned Parenthood received $51,000 in Medicaid funds in the fiscal year before Hutchinson's decision to terminate the contract. None of the money paid for abortions. Baker last year had initially blocked the defunding move, but later narrowed her order to the three patients.

Arkansas is among several states that tried to cut off funds to Planned Parenthood. Republican lawmakers and governors around the country targeted the organization after several videos were released by the anti-abortion Center for Medical Progress. The center said the videos showed thatPlanned Parenthood illegally sells fetal tissue for profit.

Planned Parenthood said the videos were heavily edited and denied seeking any payments beyond legally permitted reimbursement of costs. The organization, in an effort to squelch the controversy, announced last year it would no longer accept reimbursement for the cost of providing the tissue to researchers. A federal appeals court earlier this month upheld a judge's injunction blocking Louisiana from cutting off funding to the organization.

A Texas grand jury that looked into the videos cleared Planned Parenthood in January of misusing fetal tissue and indicted anti-abortion activists involved in making the videos. Prosecutors later dropped those charges, agreeing with defense attorneys that the grand jury exceeded its authority by investigating the activists.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/29/federal-judge-blocks-arkansas-planned-parenthood-defunding.html


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on December 16, 2016, 08:38:01 AM
Sen. Chuck Grassley Refers Planned Parenthood for Criminal Charges
By Joe Crowe   |   Wednesday, 14 Dec 2016

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley is referring a number of Planned Parenthood affiliates and companies for investigation to the FBI and the Department of Justice, according to a statement on his website.

Grassley is recommending criminal charges for allegedly profiting from the sale of fetal body parts from abortions.

"I don't take lightly making a criminal referral. But the seeming disregard for the law by these entities has been fueled by decades of utter failure by the Justice Department to enforce it," Grassley said in a statement.

"And, unless there is a renewed commitment by everyone involved against commercializing the trade in aborted fetal body parts for profit, then the problem is likely to continue."

The committee analyzed more than 20,000 pages of documents voluntarily released by the organizations in the case. Videos released by the anti-abortion activist group Center for Medical Progress led to the investigation, but the committee's findings were based on the documents, not the video, according to the statement.

The committee's findings were that Planned Parenthood's cost analyses "lack sufficient documentation and rely on unreasonably broad and vague claims of costs for the 'transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control or storage of fetal tissue.'"

The committee found that Planned Parenthood only made the analyses "long after the fact and at the insistence of the committee."

"Planned Parenthood must be prosecuted, and the over half a billion dollars in taxpayer subsidies that are propping up this absolutely corrupt and potentially criminal enterprise must be cut off immediately," said Lila Rose of the anti-abortion group Live Action.

Dana Singiser, vice president of Planned Parenthood's governmental affairs, released a response:

"Planned Parenthood strongly disagrees with the recommendations of the Senate Republican staff, especially in light of the fact that investigations by three other Congressional committees, and investigations in thirteen states including a grand jury in Texas, have shown Planned Parenthood has done nothing wrong," according to the Des Moines Register.

The Obama administration, however, is not likely to follow through on Grassley's recommendation, according to The Washington Times.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Chuck-Grassley-Refers-Planned-Parenthood-Criminal/2016/12/14/id/763878/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on January 05, 2017, 04:27:31 PM
Paul Ryan: GOP will defund Planned Parenthood
By Deirdre Walsh, CNN Senior Congressional Producer
Thu January 5, 2017

Washington (CNN) — House Speaker Paul Ryan said Thursday that Republicans will move to strip all federal funding for Planned Parenthood as part of the process they are using early this year to dismantle Obamacare.

Ryan made the announcement during a news conference on Capitol Hill.

Congressional Republicans have tried for years to zero out all federal funding for Planned Parenthood because the group provides abortion services. The issue helped trigger a 16-day government shutdown in 2013, and Democrats and President Barack Obama insisted any provision targeting the group be removed from a bill to fund federal agencies.

Another effort to defund the group will spur another high-profile clash and could be a tough vote for some moderate Republicans such as Maine Sen. Susan Collins and Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, who has opposed past efforts.

The vast majority of federal money that Planned Parenthood does receive funds preventive health care, birth control, pregnancy tests, breast cancer screening and other womens health care services. Democrats also point out that much of the money the group received is through the Medicaid program, which reimburses health care clinics that provide care to those covered by the federal program.

Under the "Hyde amendment" that is attached to annual funding bills, no federal money is allowed to go to programs that include abortion services, unless they are needed to preserve the life of the mother or are caused by rape.

Democrats immediately denounced the news that Republicans again were working to bar future federal funds for Planned Parenthood.

"This is a priority for the Republicans," said House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi Thursday afternoon. "So I just would like to speak individually to women across America: this is about respect for you, for your judgment about your personal decisions in terms of your reproductive needs, the size and timing of your family or the rest, not to be determined by the insurance company or by the Republican ideological right-wing caucus in the House of Representatives. So this is a very important occasion where we're pointing out very specifically what repeal of the (Affordable Care Act) will mean to woman."

Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood Action Fund, said "it's likely no accident that this attack was launched the day after Vice President-elect Mike Pence, a long-time opponent of Planned Parenthood, held a closed-door meeting with Speaker Ryan and the Republican leadership."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/paul-ryan-planned-parenthood-obamacare/index.html


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on February 10, 2017, 01:38:12 PM
GOP to Kill Obama Order Requiring Taxpayer Funding of Planned Parenthood
Posted on February 10, 2017
by Keith Koffler

The government was forced by the courts to allow abortion. But that doesn’t mean the government should be forcing you to pay for it.

From the Washington Examiner:

House Republicans will vote next week to liberate states from an Obama rule requiring them to subsidize Planned Parenthood.

In one of his last actions, Obama effectively forced states to fund Planned Parenthood. Many states have policies barring state funds for the abortion giant, and Obama’s 11th-hour executive order prohibited such policies.

Next week, the House plans to use the Congressional Review Act to repeal that Obama regulation — a first salvo in their fight to roll back Obama’s legacy on abortion.

According to congressional aides, the vote is scheduled for late next week and will specifically axe Obama’s Title X rule. During his final weeks in office, Obama finalized the regulation, explicitly barring states from pulling federal grant money from clinics that provide abortion.

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2017/02/10/gop-kill-obama-order-requiring-taxpayer-funding-planned-parenthood/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on March 08, 2017, 11:58:39 AM
No way are they giving up their cash cow.

Trump Planned Parenthood Offer Rejected
By Jen Krausz   |    Tuesday, 07 Mar 2017

An informal proposal from President Donald Trump to Planned Parenthood was rejected after the organization, which receives $500 million a year from the government to provide health services to women, refused to stop providing abortions as a condition of keeping or getting increases in funding.
Republicans are looking at various ways to defund the organization, including as part of a bill to repeal and replace Obamacare or by an executive order, but the group signaled that cutting abortion services from its offerings would not be an option, according to The Washington Times.

"Providing critical health care services for millions of American women is non-negotiable," Planned Parenthood executive vice president and chief brand officer Dawn Laguens said to the Times.

Laguens noted that no federal funds are used to pay for abortions directly, although some in the pro-life movement have pointed out that the use of federal funds to pay for non-abortion services facilitates the organization using more of other funds collected to pay for abortions.

Trump confirmed discussions about the informal proposal to The New York Times.

"As I said throughout the campaign, I am pro-life and I am deeply committed to investing in women’s health and plan to significantly increase federal funding in support of nonabortion services such as cancer screenings," he said, according to The New York Times. "Polling shows the majority of Americans oppose public funding for abortion, even those who identify as pro-choice. There is an opportunity for organizations to continue the important work they do in support of women’s health, while not providing abortion services."

Organization President Cecile Richards tweeted, "Planned parenthood is proud to provide abortion—a necessary service that’s as vital to our mission as birth control or cancer screenings."

"We won’t back down in the face of threats or intimidation, or turn our backs on the patients who count on us. Not today, not tomorrow," Richards continued in another tweet.
 
Planned Parenthood has often said that only 3 percent of its services are abortions, but news outlets such as The Washington Post have said that the figure is misleading because it uses the number of services performed rather than the number of patients.

Twitter users commented about the offer.

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/trump-planned-parenthood-funding-abortion/2017/03/07/id/777434/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: mazrim on March 08, 2017, 02:17:44 PM
No way are they giving up their cash cow.
Yep. Health care services, lol.


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on June 27, 2017, 02:44:10 PM
Fourteen of 15 Felony Charges Dismissed Against Planned Parenthood Videomakers
by DR. SUSAN BERRY
22 Jun 2017

A superior court in California has dismissed 14 of 15 felony charges against the video journalists who exposed alleged profiteering from the sale of body parts of aborted babies within Planned Parenthood and its partners in the biomedical procurement industry.
The charges were dismissed against David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt of the Center for Medical Progress (CMP) – with leave to amend, meaning California Attorney General Xavier Becerra may refile those charges, if he includes more specific facts.

Judge Christopher Hite also denied the attorney general’s request for contempt sanctions against Daleiden’s criminal defense counsel, former Los Angeles County District Attorney Steve Cooley & Associates (SCA) and his associate, former Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Brentford J. Ferreira.

“We were pleased with Judge Hite’s rulings over all,” Cooley and Ferreira said in a statement sent to Breitbart News. “We look forward to further pre-trial litigation.”

CMP itself broke the news on Facebook Wednesday:

BREAKING: State judge GRANTS most of defendant Daleiden’s and Merritt’s demurrer motions, knocking out the 14 recording charges until the CA AG amends their complaint. The judge also denied the AG’s request for contempt sanctions against David’s defense counsel, and agreed Judge Orrick’s federal gag order in the civil lawsuit should not prevent defendants from using the videos in our defense.

Christian News reports the California Department of Justice’s statement on the dismissal:

Following the defense’s complaint that there are too many surreptitious recordings to know which ones the California Department of Justice is relying on, the judge requested more specificity in the charging document, specifically to identify the videos that are the basis of the charges. The California Department of Justice has 10 days to amend the complaint and will be making the requested changes.

Becerra’s office alleged that Daleiden and Merritt recorded 14 individuals connected to the abortion and fetal tissue industries in Los Angeles, Pasadena, San Francisco, and El Dorado, without their consent.

“This is a politically motivated prosecution,” Daleiden told reporters Wednesday. “And this is discriminatory against pro-life Americans and a rally against Californians who happen to have a different point of view.”

The explosive videos of the individuals, allegedly discussing how they obtain the highest quality fetal body parts during abortions in order to maximize sales to biotech companies, rocked the nation and set off multiple congressional investigations into the abortion and fetal tissue procurement industries.

Becerra, a former Democratic congressman who became attorney general after his predecessor, Kamala Harris, was sworn in as a U.S. senator, said his office “will not tolerate the criminal recording of confidential conversations,” reported the Los Angeles Times.

“The right to privacy is a cornerstone of California’s constitution, and a right that is foundational in a free democratic society,” Becerra added.

The Los Angeles Times’ editorial board took issue with Becerra’s actions:

It’s disturbingly aggressive for Becerra to apply this criminal statute to people who were trying to influence a contested issue of public policy, regardless of how sound or popular that policy may be. Planned Parenthood and biomedical company StemExpress, which was also featured in the videos, have another remedy for the harm that was done to them: They can sue Daleiden and Merritt for damages. The state doesn’t need to threaten the pair with prison time.

According to OpenSecrets.org, Becerra received a total of $5,535 from Planned Parenthood during his congressional election bids between 1998 and 2014.

Harris is on record as having received $2,600 in 2016 from Planned Parenthood for her Senate race campaign. Additionally, Harris was the recipient of $39,855 from the Abortion Policy/Pro-Abortion Rights lobby group, according to OpenSecrets.org. ElectionTrack.com reported Harris received $15,000 from Planned Parenthood for her attorney general campaign bids.

As Breitbart News reported, emails obtained by the Washington Times in September of 2016 showed that Harris’s office collaborated with Planned Parenthood to produce the California legislation criminalizing undercover journalists for publishing and distributing recordings of private communications with abortion providers.

According to the Times:

The documents are another indication of Ms. Harris‘ close relationship with Planned Parenthood and call into question the impartiality of her ongoing investigation of Mr. Daleiden, legal experts said.

The emails show Beth Parker, chief legal counsel for Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California, sending multiple drafts of AB 1671 to Jill Habig, who was at the time special counsel to the attorney general.

“Attached is the language for AB 1671, proposed amendments to Penal Code section 632,” Ms. Parker wrote in an email marked March 8. “I look forward to your thoughts about this.”

Ms. Parker sent a revised draft of the legislation to Ms. Habig on March 16. “Here’s the rewrite of the video tape bill,” she wrote. “Let me know what you think.”

Habig later became deputy manager of Harris’ U.S. Senate campaign. The campaign website featured a petition asking voters to support and protect Planned Parenthood’s federal funding.

Charges brought against Daleiden and Merritt in Harris County, Texas – under suspicion of bias – were ultimately dropped, however. One of Planned Parenthood’s biotech partners – StemExpress – also backed off a lawsuit against the videomakers.

When the felony charges in California were filed, Daleiden said:

The bogus charges from Planned Parenthood’s political cronies are fake news. They tried the same collusion with corrupt officials in Houston, TX and failed: both the charges and the DA were thrown out. The public knows the real criminals are Planned Parenthood and their business partners like StemExpress and DV Biologics—currently being prosecuted in California—who have harvested and sold aborted baby body parts for profit for years in direct violation of state and federal law. We look forward to showing the entire world what is on our yet-unreleased video tapes of Planned Parenthood’s criminal baby body parts enterprise, in vindication of the First Amendment rights of all.

Though Planned Parenthood has denied any wrongdoing in its alleged sale of body parts, it also announced in October 2015 that it would no longer accept payments for aborted fetal tissue.

The organization and its media and political allies continue to insist the CMP videos were “deceptively edited.” However, a Democrat opposition research firm named Fusion – hired by Planned Parenthood itself to review the videos – said while their analysts observed the videos had been edited, “the analysis did not reveal widespread evidence of substantive video manipulation.”

Additionally, Fusion noted, “[A]nalysts found no evidence that CMP inserted dialogue not spoken by Planned Parenthood staff.”

An analysis by Coalfire, a third-party forensics company hired by Alliance Defending Freedom, found that the videos were “not manipulated” and that they are “authentic.”

The Senate Judiciary Committee and the House Select Investigative Panel have referred Planned Parenthood Federation of America, several of the largest Planned Parenthood affiliates in the country, and three of their business associates in the fetal tissue procurement industry to the FBI and U.S. Department of Justice for criminal prosecution.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/06/22/14-15-felony-charges-dismissed-planned-parenthood-videomakers/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on August 04, 2017, 07:29:30 PM
Your federal tax dollars hard at work.


Planned Parenthood: Teach your preschoolers 'their genitals don’t determine their gender'

Published August 04, 2017
Fox News
 
Apparently children as young as 4 are not too young to be told that gender and sex are different and that their genitals don't indicate their gender, according to new Planned Parenthood guidelines for parents.

On a page of its website titled “How do I talk with my preschooler about their body?” the abortion provider says if a child inquires why boys and girls have different bodies, a parent should introduce the concept of transgender identity.

“While the most simple answer is that girls have vulvas and boys have penises/testicles, that answer isn’t true for every boy and girl,” the organization says. “Boy, girl, man and woman are words that describe gender identity, and some people with the gender identities ‘boy’ or ‘man’ have vulvas, and some with the gender identity ‘girl’ or ‘woman’ have penises/testicles. Your genitals don’t make you a boy or a girl.”

Parents should then point out to their child, the page continues, that genitals do not definitively establish gender, and that their children “can make that decision based on your values and how you plan to talk with your kid about gender as they grow up.”

Critics, mainly from conservative ranks, say Planned Parenthood’s encouragement of parents to discuss gender identity with children who barely can string a sentence together and haven’t yet learned the alphabet is preposterous.

Some people with the gender identities 'boy' or 'man' have vulvas, and some with the gender identity 'girl' or 'woman' have penises/testicles. You genitals don't make you a boy or a girl.

- Planned Parenthood's new guidelines on discussing the body with preschoolers
“Gender is not fluid, either you have a penis or you don’t,” said Tim Wildmon, president of American Family Association, a Mississippi-based group that promotes conservative values. “What Planned Parenthood is promoting here is just stupidity masked as sensitivity. If you’re an adult and trying to talk to a child about whether they’re really a boy or girl, you’re at risk of harming them psychologically.”

“Unless a boy or girl is exhibiting behavior or says that they’re messed up about what they are, there’s no reason to bring something like that up” at such a young age, he said.

What Planned Parenthood is promoting here is just stupidity masked as sensitivity.

- Ted Wildmon, president, American Family Association
Efforts to obtain a comment from Planned Parenthood were unsuccessful.

Critics also say that Planned Parenthood’s suggested talking points are misleading.

“Of all the things it is — absurd, irresponsible, pretentious — one thing it definitely is not is scientific,” New York Daily News columnist S.E. Cupp wrote about the guidelines. “If you do need help talking to your kids about gender and gender identity — and there’s no shame in that — please, use real science as a guideline, and not garbage propaganda.”

“The truth is, sex is more complicated today. But the conversations you’ll more likely need to have with your kids will center on technology — the dangers lurking on the internet, sexting, revenge porn — and not anatomy.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/04/planned-parenthood-wants-to-preschoolers-to-know-gender-and-sex-arent-same.html


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on November 01, 2017, 04:49:29 PM
Stop Tax Giveaways To Planned Parenthood
REP. ROBERT PITTENGER
Congressman, North Carolina's 9th District
11/01/2017

For decades, American taxpayers have unknowingly provided tax breaks that help lower the cost of building new abortion clinics.

The 1976 Hyde Amendment forbids the use of federal funds to pay for abortion.  However, a loophole in the tax code allows abortion providers to utilize special tax-exempt bonds to finance construction of abortion clinics.  The tax break lowers the cost of the bond, which is ultimately backed by hardworking American taxpayers.

Planned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion provider, has repeatedly used this loophole.

In 2012, Planned Parenthood financed major renovations on their national headquarters with a tax-free, taxpayer-subsidized $15 million municipal bond.  Abortion facilities in several other states, including Massachusetts, Florida, and Illinois, have also been financed with these “abortion bonds.”

These special tax-exempt bonds are intended to be used for construction of hospitals, schools, roads, and other projects which fulfill critical government functions and support the common good.  Abortion does not fit this category.  Using these special bonds for abortion facilities effectively diverts much-needed money away from essential public works projects.

While the full extent is unknown, the use of tax-exempt bonds has gifted abortion providers with significantly lower costs when financing construction of abortion clinics.

Tax-exempt bonds cost the federal government billions of dollars.  These bonds are intended to support infrastructure projects.  Their use for abortion facilities is wrong and a blatant abuse of your tax dollars.

As a Christian, father, and grandfather, I believe life begins at conception and that abortion is a moral travesty.  Millions of Americans similarly hold deep religious and moral convictions about abortion.  These hardworking taxpayers should never be forced to pay for the willful termination of an innocent life.
Our position is not a radical stance.  In fact, a 2016 Knights of Columbus/Marist poll found that 62 percent of Americans oppose taxpayer funding for abortion, including those who consider themselves pro-choice.

At a time when many of my constituents and millions of other hardworking Americans are forced to face tough financial decisions to make ends meet, it’s unconscionable that the federal government would provide Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers with taxpayer-funded subsidies and preferential tax treatment.

That’s why last week, I introduced the No Abortion Bonds Act, a bipartisan bill that ends taxpayer-subsidized, tax-exempt bonds for abortion providers.  My important pro-life legislation is co-sponsored by a bipartisan coalition of over seventy Members of Congress and is endorsed by National Right to Life, Family Policy Alliance, March for Life, U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, Americans United for Life, Concerned Woman of America, and several other pro-life, pro-family organizations.

My bill will ensure the spirit of the Hyde Amendment is enforced in the tax code.  This legislation will end another taxpayer subsidy of the abortion industry.

The No Abortion Bonds Act includes exemptions for facilities that only perform abortions in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the life of the mother.  We also include a common sense exemption for hospitals.

Not every American shares my longstanding commitment to the “right to life” and speaking up for innocent babies who cannot defend themselves.  However, I believe we all can agree that taxpayers shouldn’t provide subsidies to construct abortion clinics, and this week, I took action to make that law.

Congressman Robert Pittenger (NC-09) is Chairman of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, Vice Chairman of the Subcommittee on Terrorism and Illicit Finance, and serves on the House Financial Services Committee, with a special focus on supporting small businesses, community banks, and credit unions.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/01/stop-tax-giveaways-for-planned-parenthood/


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on December 12, 2017, 09:29:11 AM
Planned Parenthood under investigation by Justice Department over sale of fetal tissue
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DOJ launches investigation into Planned Parenthood
Department of Justice looking into the organizations alleged selling of human fetal tissues.

The Justice Department has launched a federal investigation into Planned Parenthood’s practices and the sale of fetal tissue.

In a letter first obtained by Fox News, Justice Department Assistant Attorney General for Legislative Affairs Stephen Boyd formally requested unredacted documents from the Senate Judiciary Committee, the same panel that led the congressional probe into the women’s health organization.

“The Department of Justice appreciates the offer of assistance in obtaining these materials, and would like to request the Committee provide unredacted copies of records contained in the report, in order to further the Department’s ability to conduct a thorough and comprehensive assessment of that report based on the full range of information available,” Boyd wrote.

Fox News has learned that last month, the FBI first requested the unredacted documents from the committee.

Fox News is told that Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Ranking Member Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said they needed to receive a letter and be assured that the documents would be used for investigative purposes.

The letter, sent to Grassley and Feinstein on Thursday, is a rare confirmation by the Justice Department of a federal investigation.

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“At this point, the records are intended for investigative use only—we understand that a resolution from the Senate may be required if the Department were to use any of the unredacted materials in a formal legal proceeding, such as a grand jury,” Boyd also wrote.

A spokesman for the committee told Fox News on Friday that they received the Department's "official request for unredacted copies of its 2016 report and we will work to cooperate fully."

In that final report entitled “Human Fetal Tissue Research: Context and Controversy” published in December 2016, Grassley referred Planned Parenthood and other providers to the FBI for investigation.

Grassley said at the time that the committee has discovered enough evidence that shows how abortion providers had transferred fetal tissue and body parts from aborted fetuses for research by charging amounts higher than they actually cost.

“The report documents the failure of the Department of Justice, across multiple administrations, to enforce the law that bans the buying and selling of human fetal tissue,” Grassley wrote last December urging the Justice Department and FBI to investigate. “It also documents substantial evidence suggesting that the specific entities involved in the recent controversy, and/or individuals employed by those entities, may have violated that law.”

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Feinstein, however, said in a statement Friday that the 2016 report was only presented to the "majority," meaning the Republicans on the committee.

"I hope that there isn't a partisan purpose in taking this action and that the department handles the chairman's request in a professional and ethical manner," Feinstein said in a statement.

The now-federal investigation comes after a 2015 undercover investigation by activists David Daleiden, leader of the pro-life Center for Medical Progress, and Sandra Merritt, an employee of the group, who both posed as fetal researchers and made undercover videos of themselves trying to buy fetal tissue from Planned Parenthood.

The recorded conversations included officials from Planned Parenthood and StemExpress, a California company that provides blood, tissue and other biological material for medical research and has received fetal tissue from Planned Parenthood.

Planned Parenthood, at the time, strongly rejected accusations it violated any law or acted unethically. The group also “strongly” disagreed with Grassley’s recommendations to refer the matter to the Justice Department “especially in light of the fact that the investigations by three other Congressional committees, and investigations in 13 states including a Grand Jury in Texas, have all shown that Planned Parenthood did nothing wrong.”

“Over two years ago, citizen journalists at The Center for Medical Progress first caught Planned Parenthood’s top abortion doctors in a series of undercover videos callously and flippantly negotiating the sale of tiny baby hearts, lungs, livers, and brains,” Daleiden said Thursday. “It is time for public officials to finally hold Planned Parenthood and their criminal abortion enterprise accountable under the law.”

The federal investigation by the Trump administration will reopen the years-long debate on whether Planned Parenthood and other providers violated the law with the illegal sale of body parts.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/07/planned-parenthood-under-investigation-by-justice-department-over-sale-fetal-tissue.html


Title: Re: Could Whistleblower Claims Strip Planned Parenthood of Government Funding?
Post by: Dos Equis on March 27, 2018, 04:12:22 PM
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