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Title: 2010 Olympia - Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: David M on September 14, 2010, 10:05:21 AM
No shortage of confidence.  Phil told Bob and Dan on radio that he has worked harder than everyone and predicts a win with Jay 2nd and Kai 3rd.  Way better interview than Kai.  


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Nails on September 14, 2010, 10:09:17 AM
maybe his confidence grows ten folds after promising the judges a little private G4P before the show


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: brent2741 on September 14, 2010, 10:12:09 AM
Heath is a modern era flex wheeler, great shape, wins big shows... just not the THE BIG show


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Anglo on September 14, 2010, 10:17:09 AM


Is there something?


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Fatpanda on September 14, 2010, 10:20:31 AM
i think he can take it.

he would be an excellent mr o.

he is articulate, he is smart, he is well mannered, he is multi racial, and he loves the sport.

he is also a handsome man ( no homo) he has a certain charisma too.

he would be a great poster boy for bodybuilding.  8)


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Nails on September 14, 2010, 10:20:47 AM
(http://5c.img.v4.skyrock.net/5c8/bodymusculation/pics/1143542946.jpg)


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Wiggs on September 14, 2010, 10:22:22 AM
i think he can take it.

he would be an excellent mr o.

he is articulate, he is smart, he is well mannered, he is multi racial, and he loves the sport.

he is also a handsome man ( no homo) he has a certain charisma too.

he would be a great poster boy for bodybuilding.  8)

not multi racial...both of his parents are black....he actually pmd me this...dead serious....


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: David M on September 14, 2010, 10:22:53 AM
maybe his confidence grows ten folds after promising the judges a little private G4P before the show

thats sick man


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on September 14, 2010, 10:23:48 AM
whats he gonna say "im gonna come in 3rd"??

no, he says he is gonna win, kai says he is gonna win, dexter says he is gonna win, victor says he is gonna win..........there will be ONE winner.......

and i PRAY its jay,.............because kai is a fruity fucking cock-boy.........who is incapable of answering a fuckig question, he was unbearable to listen to on PBW last week





dan:                         "kai compare yourself to phi"

grape fruit fucker:        "well, yooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuu uuu knoooooooooooooow, im not comparing myself to the other competitors, im persuing a higher    
                                  path of self-enlightenment, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah"




REALLY F@GGOT, YOU CANT COMPARE YOURSELF TO OTHER COMPETITORS........BODYB UILDING IS A ULTRA-SUBJECTIVE SPORT WHERE YOU ARE SPECIFICALLY JUDGED AGAINST OTHER COMPETITORS........THATS HOW YOU WON    ::) ::) ::)



      


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Anglo on September 14, 2010, 10:25:01 AM
i think he can take it.

he would be an excellent mr o.

he is articulate, he is smart, he is well mannered, he is multi racial, and he loves the sport.

he is also a handsome man ( no homo) he has a certain charisma too.

he would be a great poster boy for bodybuilding.  8)




Spot on there.

But maybe he's just too narrow   ::)


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on September 14, 2010, 10:26:35 AM
Narrow or not the dude's arms are fucking insane. 


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Parker on September 14, 2010, 10:28:24 AM
not multi racial...both of his parents are black....he actually pmd me this...dead serious....
Watch 10+ pages debating what "black " really is...

On that note, I think he can take it, but seeing the pics of Kai, Phil "The Chosen One" has a lot of work cut out for him...I'm glad to see the hunger, since. 2006, I always thought he has what it takes...This will be interesting, and don't count Vic or Dex out, if Jay, Kai, Phil slips in conditioning, those two, especially Dex will catch them.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Fatpanda on September 14, 2010, 10:29:15 AM
not multi racial...both of his parents are black....he actually pmd me this...dead serious....
i thought his mother was white  ???

either way he didn't get those blue eyes from his great grandfather ade akinwabi.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: ygbodybuilder10 on September 14, 2010, 10:34:24 AM
he is multi racial

where did u get that from and why would it matter


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on September 14, 2010, 10:37:38 AM
not multi racial...both of his parents are black....he actually pmd me this...dead serious....


yeh wiggs.............im sure phil heath is PMing you
 ::) ::) ::)







what worries me about phil heath.,........is that he was pretty close to 100% at the arnold............and not close to 100% kai greene beat him...........i dont know how much better phil can look then at the arnold this year






Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Fatpanda on September 14, 2010, 10:38:12 AM
where did u get that from and why would it matter

it doesn't matter to me, but i'm not a narrow minded racist  ;)

however there are many in the usa that are, and for them race is a big thing.

hell half the posts on here are racist or bigoted in some way the other half are about how much i'm hated  ;D


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Per Se on September 14, 2010, 10:40:31 AM
Watch 10+ pages debating what "black " really is...

On that note, I think he can take it, but seeing the pics of Kai, Phil "The Chosen One" has a lot of work cut out for him...I'm glad to see the hunger, since. 2006, I always thought he has what it takes...This will be interesting, and don't count Vic or Dex out, if Jay, Kai, Phil slips in conditioning, those two, especially Dex will catch them.

Phil is a BLACK MAN


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: mass243 on September 14, 2010, 10:41:48 AM
Phil must have been smoking some crack making that comment...


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Hulkotron on September 14, 2010, 10:48:37 AM
He'd look a lot better with a smaller head.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Wiggs on September 14, 2010, 10:48:52 AM

yeh wiggs.............im sure phil heath is PMing you
 ::) ::) ::)







what worries me about phil heath.,........is that he was pretty close to 100% at the arnold............and not close to 100% kai greene beat him...........i dont know how much better phil can look then at the arnold this year






just fyi,

both of my parents are black.

hope that helps.


Don't ever call me a liar...  


That's not his only pm...


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: kevinf on September 14, 2010, 10:49:58 AM

Don't ever call me a liar... 

In his DVD, it shows both of his parents. Both of whom are black.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: mass243 on September 14, 2010, 10:53:25 AM
He'd look a lot better with a smaller head.

So would Kai


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 14, 2010, 10:55:08 AM
i think he can take it.

he would be an excellent mr o.

he is articulate, he is smart, he is well mannered, he is multi racial, and he loves the sport.

he is also a handsome man ( no homo) he has a certain charisma too.

he would be a great poster boy for bodybuilding.  8)

agree here .... Very articulate guy good physique ... Not a blob of mass like kai... Also hasn't banged a grapefruit on video....
Can't see kai getin the sandow before this guy


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on September 14, 2010, 10:56:17 AM
maybe his confidence grows ten folds after promising the judges a little private G4P before the show

Rumor has it that Phil is all Asian from the belly button to the upper thighs


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Fatpanda on September 14, 2010, 10:56:40 AM

Don't ever call me a liar...  


That's not his only pm...

did he mention his grandparents ?  ;D
agree here .... Very articulate guy good physique ... Not a blob of mass like kai... Also hasn't banged a grapefruit on video....
Can't see kai getin the sandow before this guy

yes ! i didn't mention the grapefruit or gay antics.

if hell freezes over though and kai get th emr o, with his history, gay posing and bitch tits bodybuilding will be over.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Hulkotron on September 14, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
So would Kai

Yeah I guess everyone would really.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: MB on September 14, 2010, 11:08:55 AM
Phil can only do so much with his structure.  I see him in 3rd or 4th place this year.  Much like Flex Wheeler, there's always going to be somebody better than Phil at the Olympia.  Jay wins with shoulder width and that's Phil's weakness.  Unless Jay is totally out of shape, Phil won't compare well.  


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Parker on September 14, 2010, 11:12:47 AM
Phil can only do so much with his structure.  I see him in 3rd or 4th place this year.  Much like Flex Wheeler, there's always going to be somebody better than Phil at the Olympia.  Jay wins with shoulder width and that's Phil's weakness.  Unless Jay is totally out of shape, Phil won't compare well.  
The problem with Jay is that his wins are manufactured...he lacks back detail, to the point that it's embarassing...his width is good, great front detail, but even cannot be mentioned in the same sentence as Ronnie, Flex, Levrone, Dorian, Shawn, even if Jay was 10x Mr O, which shows you just how mediocre Jay really is.
 


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: dantelis on September 14, 2010, 11:23:50 AM
Phil can only do so much with his structure.  I see him in 3rd or 4th place this year.  Much like Flex Wheeler, there's always going to be somebody better than Phil at the Olympia.  Jay wins with shoulder width and that's Phil's weakness.  Unless Jay is totally out of shape, Phil won't compare well.  

You could also argue that Jay's weakness is a big waist, which Phil wins handily.  All bodybuilders have weaknesses.  It depends on what the judges are looking for in this year's Olympia and the package that they bring to the stage that day.  Though Phil is narrow, his structure is well proportioned and his symmetry is great.  He can easily beat Jay, Kai and the others if he brings his A game and if the judges are looking for his type of body come Olympia weekend.  If the judges look for size over everything else, then Phil won't win.  

Related to the Olympia, do you think that anyone over 6 ft tall could win the Olympia?  Arnold was the only one over 6 ft tall to ever win, though Haney and Coleman were close at 5'11"  Seems that the winners keep getting shorter, even as their overall weight gets larger.  


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: MB on September 14, 2010, 12:25:39 PM
You could also argue that Jay's weakness is a big waist, which Phil wins handily.  All bodybuilders have weaknesses.  It depends on what the judges are looking for in this year's Olympia and the package that they bring to the stage that day.  Though Phil is narrow, his structure is well proportioned and his symmetry is great.  He can easily beat Jay, Kai and the others if he brings his A game and if the judges are looking for his type of body come Olympia weekend.  If the judges look for size over everything else, then Phil won't win.  

Related to the Olympia, do you think that anyone over 6 ft tall could win the Olympia?  Arnold was the only one over 6 ft tall to ever win, though Haney and Coleman were close at 5'11"  Seems that the winners keep getting shorter, even as their overall weight gets larger.  

Can Phil easily beat Jay & Kai with his A game?  I don't think so.  Phil brought his A game to the Arnold and lost to Kai, who brought his B game.  
 
As far as a 6'+ guy winning the Olympia, I think it will happen again when we see a dominant big man come along.  Like Arnold said, a good big man always beats a good little man.  


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Wiggs on September 14, 2010, 12:51:51 PM
Can Phil easily beat Jay & Kai with his A game?  I don't think so.  Phil brought his A game to the Arnold and lost to Kai, who brought his B game.  
 
As far as a 6'+ guy winning the Olympia, I think it will happen again when we see a dominant big man come along.  Like Arnold said, a good big man always beats a good little man.  


Word


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: XXXII/LX on September 14, 2010, 01:07:58 PM
The problem with Jay is that his wins are manufactured...he lacks back detail, to the point that it's embarassing...his width is good, great front detail, but even cannot be mentioned in the same sentence as Ronnie, Flex, Levrone, Dorian, Shawn, even if Jay was 10x Mr O, which shows you just how mediocre Jay really is.
 

Usually has arms soft as a baby's ass, missing one leg, and horrid waist width. Aside from that his detail is great.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: dantelis on September 14, 2010, 03:56:39 PM
Can Phil easily beat Jay & Kai with his A game?  I don't think so.  Phil brought his A game to the Arnold and lost to Kai, who brought his B game.  
 
As far as a 6'+ guy winning the Olympia, I think it will happen again when we see a dominant big man come along.  Like Arnold said, a good big man always beats a good little man.  

With the exception of Dex, the Arnold winner usually is given to BBers on the bigger side.  Phil was easily as good as Kai at the Arnold this year...judges gave it to Kai for his greater mass (and bigger belly, for that matter).  Phil should have won.

(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/43/c/img_10601267901620.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/110/c/img_09491267901614.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/43/c/img_10701267901621.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/110/c/img_09841267901615.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/43/c/img_10731267901621.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/110/c/img_09651267901615.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/43/c/img_10761267901621.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/110/c/img_09731267901615.jpg)


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Fatpanda on September 14, 2010, 04:11:32 PM
With the exception of Dex, the Arnold winner usually is given to BBers on the bigger side.  Phil was easily as good as Kai at the Arnold this year...judges gave it to Kai for his greater mass (and bigger belly, for that matter).  Phil should have won.



x2 phil was much better in every dept imo.

i do not like kai's gayness etc,

but my opinion is based purely on bodybuilding physiques - phil > kai in every dept


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Aerian on September 14, 2010, 07:19:30 PM
Kai just seems like he is a filthy individual willing do to anything to get by.  Imagine what all he has done in his life.....


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: kevinf on September 14, 2010, 07:23:28 PM
Kai just seems like he is a filthy individual willing do to anything to get buy.  Imagine what all he has done in his life.....
we dont have to imagine anything...his dirty laundry is all over the net.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Aerian on September 14, 2010, 07:25:42 PM
we dont have to imagine anything...his dirty laundry is all over the net.

 :-\    something tells me that is only a fraction of the nasty things he has done over his life.  Probably alot of skeletons in his closet.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: jaejonna on September 14, 2010, 07:27:10 PM
Those pictures of Kai in the ghetto kitchen confirms that from the back he is unbeatable ( except for Vic maybe ) .... Phil I think is better conditioned and less gut ...


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on September 14, 2010, 07:40:36 PM
With the exception of Dex, the Arnold winner usually is given to BBers on the bigger side.  Phil was easily as good as Kai at the Arnold this year...judges gave it to Kai for his greater mass (and bigger belly, for that matter).  Phil should have won.

(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/43/c/img_10601267901620.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/110/c/img_09491267901614.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/43/c/img_10701267901621.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/110/c/img_09841267901615.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/43/c/img_10731267901621.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/110/c/img_09651267901615.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/43/c/img_10761267901621.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/110/c/img_09731267901615.jpg)


those photos are VERY telling............what i see when i look at them is an 85-90% kai greene.........keeping up with a , probably 99% phil heath


phil was pretty close to his best at that show, he was full, crisp, dry as naile.........and a sub-par kai still beat him


personally, i had phil winning that show, but somehow kai eeked it out


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: lesaucer on September 14, 2010, 07:43:29 PM
With the exception of Dex, the Arnold winner usually is given to BBers on the bigger side.  Phil was easily as good as Kai at the Arnold this year...judges gave it to Kai for his greater mass (and bigger belly, for that matter).  Phil should have won.

(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/43/c/img_10601267901620.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/110/c/img_09491267901614.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/43/c/img_10701267901621.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/110/c/img_09841267901615.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/43/c/img_10731267901621.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/110/c/img_09651267901615.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/43/c/img_10761267901621.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/110/c/img_09731267901615.jpg)

PHIL GOT FUCKING ROBBED!!! PHIL=GREAT PHYSIQUE WITH TIGHT WAIST. KAI= VERY UGLY PHYSIQUE WITH NO LOWER BACK+GUT+FUCKING UGLY STRUCTURE (not gonna talk about grapefruits, homo shit, cant answer simple questions during interview, crazy fuck)


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on September 14, 2010, 07:52:46 PM
PHIL GOT FUCKING ROBBED!!! PHIL=GREAT PHYSIQUE WITH TIGHT WAIST. KAI= VERY UGLY PHYSIQUE WITH NO LOWER BACK+GUT+FUCKING UGLY STRUCTURE (not gonna talk about grapefruits, homo shit, cant answer simple questions during interview, crazy fuck)


i think you just nailed what bothers me about kai's physique............ he has NO lower back, his torso is too short.............his lats insert into his hips


historically low-inserting lats are a goood thing..........but not when your missing your lower back. it just looks wrong


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: lesaucer on September 14, 2010, 08:00:58 PM

i think you just nailed what bothers me about kai's physique............ he has NO lower back, his torso is too short.............his lats insert into his hips


historically low-inserting lats are a goood thing..........but not when your missing your lower back. it just looks wrong

exactly. his back looks like a fucking jet pack


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: gh15 on September 14, 2010, 08:28:21 PM
its goning to be sad day for bodybuilding when a fella with waist wider than chest win the o,, look back,,do you see any mr o that waist was wider than pecs? take a look at philip,,yes he has great condition and phenominal arm response,, but! his chest is horrid the structure that is,,a mr o like that make average person look wide!! this is unheard of ,,look at smaler mr o like dex and frank chest!!! still wider than waist,,phillip heath just doesnt have good structure for mr o,,,it is indeed sad but its the truth ,, they want him to be mr o,, yes ,,he is pushd very hard,,but he lack the main thing that mr o has W I D T H ,,he is equivelent to 175lb guy that train naturally when it comes to width ,,very very narrow,,delts are good but because of response to drugs not because of anything else,,sadly your structure can not respons to drugs ....

gh15 approved


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: lesaucer on September 14, 2010, 08:35:24 PM
its goning to be sad day for bodybuilding when a fella with waist wider than chest win the o,, look back,,do you see any mr o that waist was wider than pecs? take a look at philip,,yes he has great condition and phenominal arm response,, but! his chest is horrid the structure that is,,a mr o like that make average person look wide!! this is unheard of ,,look at smaler mr o like dex and frank chest!!! still wider than waist,,phillip heath just doesnt have good structure for mr o,,,it is indeed sad but its the truth ,, they want him to be mr o,, yes ,,he is pushd very hard,,but he lack the main thing that mr o has W I D T H ,,he is equivelent to 175lb guy that train naturally when it comes to width ,,very very narrow,,delts are good but because of response to drugs not because of anything else,,sadly your structure can not respons to drugs ....

gh15 approved

hi kai greene


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on September 14, 2010, 08:49:39 PM
thats the first thing i think of when i see a photo like this..............shitty structure :D :D


(http://www.ironmagazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/3396.jpg)




more structural inferiority.......

(http://www.isteroids.com/bodybuilding/images/phil_heath3.jpg)





Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: lesaucer on September 14, 2010, 09:32:37 PM
thats the first thing i think of when i see a photo like this..............shitty structure :D :D


(http://www.ironmagazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/3396.jpg)




more structural inferiority.......

(http://www.isteroids.com/bodybuilding/images/phil_heath3.jpg)





lolll yeah right...


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Lion666 on September 14, 2010, 09:40:36 PM
Narrow or not the dude's arms are fucking insane. 

qft


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: phyxsius on September 14, 2010, 10:31:08 PM
personally, i had phil winning that show, but somehow kai eeked it out

Kai had an agreement with the judges that he'll give a free blow-job..


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: MB on September 15, 2010, 06:05:28 AM
its goning to be sad day for bodybuilding when a fella with waist wider than chest win the o,, look back,,do you see any mr o that waist was wider than pecs? take a look at philip,,yes he has great condition and phenominal arm response,, but! his chest is horrid the structure that is,,a mr o like that make average person look wide!! this is unheard of ,,look at smaler mr o like dex and frank chest!!! still wider than waist,,phillip heath just doesnt have good structure for mr o,,,it is indeed sad but its the truth ,, they want him to be mr o,, yes ,,he is pushd very hard,,but he lack the main thing that mr o has W I D T H ,,he is equivelent to 175lb guy that train naturally when it comes to width ,,very very narrow,,delts are good but because of response to drugs not because of anything else,,sadly your structure can not respons to drugs ....

gh15 approved

This is 100% correct.  Phil doesn't have the structure to be Mr. Olympia, even though he is being pushed very hard.  Shoulder to waist taper is the single most important factor for a good bodybuilding physique.  Phil has the worst taper out of the whole Olympia lineup.  It's a credit to him that he's done as well as he has with such a deficiency. 


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: musclecenter on September 15, 2010, 06:29:35 AM
This year Phil will win for sure.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on September 15, 2010, 07:12:37 AM
its goning to be sad day for bodybuilding when a fella with waist wider than chest win the o,, look back,,do you see any mr o that waist was wider than pecs? take a look at philip,,yes he has great condition and phenominal arm response,, but! his chest is horrid the structure that is,,a mr o like that make average person look wide!! this is unheard of ,,look at smaler mr o like dex and frank chest!!! still wider than waist,,phillip heath just doesnt have good structure for mr o,,,it is indeed sad but its the truth ,, they want him to be mr o,, yes ,,he is pushd very hard,,but he lack the main thing that mr o has W I D T H ,,he is equivelent to 175lb guy that train naturally when it comes to width ,,very very narrow,,delts are good but because of response to drugs not because of anything else,,sadly your structure can not respons to drugs ....

gh15 approved

x2


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: dantelis on September 15, 2010, 10:34:41 AM

those photos are VERY telling............what i see when i look at them is an 85-90% kai greene.........keeping up with a , probably 99% phil heath


phil was pretty close to his best at that show, he was full, crisp, dry as naile.........and a sub-par kai still beat him


personally, i had phil winning that show, but somehow kai eeked it out

It is called poor judging.  He wasn't better than Phil that day and should have been 2nd or lower.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Wiggs on September 15, 2010, 10:38:07 AM
Phil looks like his physique is all bunched up.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on September 15, 2010, 10:42:37 AM
This is 100% correct.  Phil doesn't have the structure to be Mr. Olympia, even though he is being pushed very hard.  Shoulder to waist taper is the single most important factor for a good bodybuilding physique.  Phil has the worst taper out of the whole Olympia lineup.  It's a credit to him that he's done as well as he has with such a deficiency. 


if the people who RUN the olympia...........are PUSHING him as the next mr olympia.........apparent ly he DOES have the structure to be mr olympia





jay cutler won the olympia btw...........he might actually have the worst structure in the history of BBing next to paco

(http://www.muscleweights.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/jay-cutler-ripped.jpg)


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Option D on September 15, 2010, 10:46:55 AM
i thought his mother was white  ???

either way he didn't get those blue eyes from his great grandfather ade akinwabi.

RACIST POST REPORTED.

LMAO thats funny as shit


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: G_Thang on September 15, 2010, 10:48:52 AM
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/43/c/img_10761267901621.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/110/c/img_09731267901615.jpg)

i thought backs win the MrO.  there are figure girls with wider spreads than phil.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Wiggs on September 15, 2010, 10:50:23 AM
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/43/c/img_10761267901621.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/110/c/img_09731267901615.jpg)

i thought backs win the MrO.  there are figure girls with wider spreads than phil.

That's pretty fuck horrible...All bunched....Can't get right.
Phil is much smaller in person than you'd think. 


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: MB on September 15, 2010, 11:07:18 AM

if the people who RUN the olympia...........are PUSHING him as the next mr olympia.........apparent ly he DOES have the structure to be mr olympia





jay cutler won the olympia btw...........he might actually have the worst structure in the history of BBing next to paco

(http://www.muscleweights.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/jay-cutler-ripped.jpg)

Jay is the widest Mr. O in history.  That's bad news for Phil who is all bunched up and will look like a pencil next to Jay.  Jay lacks separation and detail, but his structure is 10× better than Phil's. 


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: French on September 15, 2010, 11:18:10 AM
Former DU basketball player turns to pro body building

http://www.kdvr.com/videobeta/854cc517-00a9-4ea1-aa97-a31b3274a20b/News/Former-DU-basketball-player-turns-to-pro-body-building (http://www.kdvr.com/videobeta/854cc517-00a9-4ea1-aa97-a31b3274a20b/News/Former-DU-basketball-player-turns-to-pro-body-building)


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: dantelis on September 15, 2010, 12:30:16 PM
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/43/c/img_10761267901621.jpg)(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/13421/110/c/img_09731267901615.jpg)

i thought backs win the MrO.  there are figure girls with wider spreads than phil.

...And there are fat girls with waists smaller than Kai, Ronnie, Jay...Dex is no wider than Phil and he won the Olympia.  Certainly Phil has narrower shoulders than Jay and Ronnie and Dorian.  That doesn't automatically eliminate him from winning the Olympia.

I do think that Phil's physique would look much better if he had 2 or 3 more inches in height.  Unfortunately, that is something that steroids and GH can never fix.

(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/7992/357/c/img_24411253955345.jpg)(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=281617.0;attach=321782;image)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6432/1/d/dexter41222812427.jpg)
(http://www.learn-bodybuilding.com/images/bb/yates_rear_lat_spread.jpg)
(http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=42435&d=1101740632)


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Howard on September 15, 2010, 12:42:21 PM
No shortage of confidence.  Phil told Bob and Dan on radio that he has worked harder than everyone and predicts a win with Jay 2nd and Kai 3rd.  Way better interview than Kai. 
Yes and the NY Jets head coach said they were going to win the Superbowl, last season...ouch :D

Ok, on a serious note, Phil Heath and any other top pro SHOULD feel like they can win.
If they don't feel like that, they have the wrong mind set for the Olympia...period.

To me the issue isn't saying you will win, but in how you act after the show is over.
If you didn't win, don't pout like a baby or point fingers. You shouldn't feel embarrassed about saying you will win and end up getting defeated.
You should feel embarrassed if you act like a retarded donkey on crack after a loss.

Phil seems like a decent, intelligent man and he may win, who knows? I think Phil would make a fine Mr Olympia, BUT I don't think this will be his yr.
Jay for #4 , all the way.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: tendonitis on September 15, 2010, 12:50:45 PM

if the people who RUN the olympia...........are PUSHING him as the next mr olympia.........apparent ly he DOES have the structure to be mr olympia





jay cutler won the olympia btw...........he might actually have the worst structure in the history of BBing next to paco

(http://www.muscleweights.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/jay-cutler-ripped.jpg)

I still can't believe that mess of a physique has won 3 Olympia titles.
Absolutely no separation, no detail, 46 inch waist.
Just a  soft, bloated, watery mess.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: TRIX on September 15, 2010, 03:05:17 PM
(http://i35.tinypic.com/wvwhvt.jpg)


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Howard on September 15, 2010, 03:30:03 PM
its goning to be sad day for bodybuilding when a fella with waist wider than chest win the o,, look back,,do you see any mr o that waist was wider than pecs? take a look at philip,,yes he has great condition and phenominal arm response,, but! his chest is horrid the structure that is,,a mr o like that make average person look wide!! this is unheard of ,,look at smaler mr o like dex and frank chest!!! still wider than waist,,phillip heath just doesnt have good structure for mr o,,,it is indeed sad but its the truth ,, they want him to be mr o,, yes ,,he is pushd very hard,,but he lack the main thing that mr o has W I D T H ,,he is equivelent to 175lb guy that train naturally when it comes to width ,,very very narrow,,delts are good but because of response to drugs not because of anything else,,sadly your structure can not respons to drugs ....

gh15 approved
Belive it or not, I actually agree with most of your critique on Phil Heath. He simply lacks the wide shoulder/narrow him structure of a ideal Mr Olympia winner. Larry Scott won the first Olympia with the "big arm/not so wide" kind of physique that Phil has.
BUT, this is 2010 and the depth of competiton is a LOT DEEPER then in Larry's day.
Hey GH15, what do you think Ronnie Rockell.????


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on September 15, 2010, 03:36:56 PM
no wonder 99.9% of Arnold shots are from the front


he SUCKED from the back, one of the most marginal backs in the history of Bodybuilding


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Howard on September 15, 2010, 03:51:31 PM
no wonder 99.9% of Arnold shots are from the front


he SUCKED from the back, one of the most marginal backs in the history of Bodybuilding
Back then you didn't do the same required mandatory poses.
Arnold had a weak back lat spread , but a great back double bi.
His side tricep is no great pose either , while his side chest is one of the best in history.

Zane had an awesome side tricep shot he did but his side chest was never impressive, same with Phil Heath today.
No Mr Olympia is ever perfect in every pose.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Parker on September 15, 2010, 04:25:04 PM
Jay is the widest Mr. O in history.  That's bad news for Phil who is all bunched up and will look like a pencil next to Jay.  Jay lacks separation and detail, but his structure is 10× better than Phil's. 
Jay is not wider than Dorian nor Ronnie, and possibly not Haney either. Jay is not wider than Gunter nor Ruhl either.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: MB on September 15, 2010, 04:54:25 PM
Jay is not wider than Dorian nor Ronnie, and possibly not Haney either. Jay is not wider than Gunter nor Ruhl either.

Jay is wider than everyone you mentioned except Ruhl.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: AZbodybuilder on September 15, 2010, 05:20:14 PM
Phil Heath Win Not Win the O


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on September 15, 2010, 05:21:37 PM
once again, phil heath was at pretty close to 100% at the arnold and couldnt win (though he should have)


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Parker on September 15, 2010, 05:52:46 PM
Jay is wider than everyone you mentioned except Ruhl.
I think you need to go back and look at a Olympia line up, particularly the one from 2003 and 2004...Jay is 5'8 and while yes, blessed with wide clavicles, he wasn't wider than Ronnie, or Gunter, now is waist is wide as hell, but that is about it. Jay was gifted his O wins, nothing more...Jay's nickname should be TheGift not Phil's...


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Howard on September 15, 2010, 05:57:10 PM
I think you need to go back and look at a Olympia line up, particularly the one from 2003 and 2004...Jay is 5'8 and while yes, blessed with wide clavicles, he wasn't wider than Ronnie, or Gunter, now is waist is wide as hell, but that is about it. Jay was gifted his O wins, nothing more...Jay's nickname should be TheGift not Phil's...
Jay earned his title back last yr, end of story.
Widest pro I ever saw was Joel Stubbs, unreal how wide that guy is


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Parker on September 15, 2010, 06:06:39 PM
Jay earned his title back last yr, end of story.
Widest pro I ever saw was Joel Stubbs, unreal how wide that guy is
Jay was good from the front, that's it...oh and and faux hawk hair, that about sums him up from last yr. He really improved, but he hasn't gained any real back detail, it just sucks, it blows...especially foe a Mr. O, all modern day Mr. O's have superior back and back detail, even Arnold did. Jay is the first one that doesn't.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: suckmymuscle on September 15, 2010, 06:17:47 PM
  If Jay shows up exactly like he did in 2009, he will win. There are only two physiques in history that can beat Jay 2009, Ronnie 1998 and Dorian 1995.

SUCKMYMUSCLE


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Mr. Magoo on September 15, 2010, 06:18:43 PM
Back then you didn't do the same required mandatory poses.
Arnold had a weak back lat spread , but a great back double bi.
His side tricep is no great pose either , while his side chest is one of the best in history.

Zane had an awesome side tricep shot he did but his side chest was never impressive, same with Phil Heath today.
No Mr Olympia is ever perfect in every pose.

Lee Haney was


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: TRIX on September 15, 2010, 08:11:04 PM
I think you need to go back and look at a Olympia line up, particularly the one from 2003 and 2004...Jay is 5'8 and while yes, blessed with wide clavicles, he wasn't wider than Ronnie, or Gunter, now is waist is wide as hell, but that is about it. Jay was gifted his O wins, nothing more...Jay's nickname should be TheGift not Phil's...
jay cutler is wider then coleman. And he is shorter also. All the way wide dude


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: musclecenter on September 15, 2010, 08:38:28 PM
Lee Haney was
Compare to other Mr.o, Lee Haney's arms not big enough


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: kiwiol on September 15, 2010, 08:49:03 PM
Compare to other Mr.o, Lee Haney's arms not big enough

Agree.

I'd say 93 Dorian was about as good as it got - no major flaw (incl. his arms in the FDB) and looked great in every pose, while absolutely dominating the line-up.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: che on September 15, 2010, 09:00:45 PM
Agree.

I'd say 93 Dorian was about as good as it got - no major flaw (incl. his arms in the FDB) and looked great in every pose, while absolutely dominating the line-up.
I disagree



Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Disgusted on September 15, 2010, 09:01:01 PM
  If Jay shows up exactly like he did in 2009, he will win. There are only two physiques in history that can beat Jay 2009, Ronnie 1998 and Dorian 1995.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Agreed on the first part, but Ronnie 2004 will not be beatin for many years to come.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Parker on September 15, 2010, 09:01:43 PM
jay cutler is wider then coleman. And he is shorter also. All the way wide dude
Unfortunately, I'm at work, so can't post pics, but I'm sure if you look at the Mr. O line up, you'll be surely mistaken in that assumption...Cutler had a wider waist...


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Matt C on September 15, 2010, 10:16:47 PM
he is articulate, he is smart, he is well mannered, he is multi racial, and he loves the sport.

Is Phil multiracial?  In terms of various traits including his eye colour, I would think he is, but is that the case?


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Parker on September 15, 2010, 10:22:54 PM
Is Phil multiracial?  In terms of various traits including his eye colour, I would think he is, but is that the case?
Moast "black americans" are multiracial...unless you stepped off the boat from Africa, then the majority of AA's are mixed.."black" in AMerica, doesn't mean  "pure stock African", just that the majority of your genes are colored...think of a coffee, you pure milk in it, it is still brown, correct? Well, a lot of us got "milk" in our coffee.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Matt C on September 15, 2010, 10:25:37 PM
Moast "black americans" are multiracial...unless you stepped off the boat from Africa, then the majority of AA's are mixed.."black" in AMerica, doesn't mean  "pure stock African", just that the majority of your genes are colored...think of a coffee, you pure milk in it, it is still brown, correct? Well, a lot of us got "milk" in our coffee.

Parker, check this out:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/111611-obama-calls-african-americans-a-mongrel-people-

Quote
President Obama waded into the national race debate in an unlikely setting and with an unusual choice of words: telling daytime talk show hosts that African-Americans are “sort of a mongrel people.”

Do you find this offensive?


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Parker on September 15, 2010, 10:37:52 PM
Parker, check this out:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/111611-obama-calls-african-americans-a-mongrel-people-

Do you find this offensive?
No, it's because "we" are...what is a mongrel, a mix breed. Brazil has a over 80+ classifications, I believe, so many so that i looks like a dog list...Just to appease everybody...I'm tri-racial...but look black, but if you were to look closely at my face, you would be able to pick out the Indian nose and cheekbones, the white bi-lobed chin...and my mom had blonde hair as a child...

And we will not get into the stories that were told about certain white men not waiting until chores were done because they were feening for a taste of chocolate...cause that's how my mom's got blonde hair, and some of my family have blue eyes...


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Wiggs on September 15, 2010, 10:47:45 PM
No, it's because "we" are...what is a mongrel, a mix breed. Brazil has a over 80+ classifications, I believe, so many so that i looks like a dog list...Just to appease everybody...I'm tri-racial...but look black, but if you were to look closely at my face, you would be able to pick out the Indian nose and cheekbones, the white bi-lobed chin...and my mom had blonde hair as a child...

And we will not get into the stories that were told about certain white men not waiting until chores were done because they were feening for a taste of chocolate...cause that's how my mom's got blonde hair, and some of my family have blue eyes...


Bingo...I just say I'm black to keep it simple.  You fellas know my story. Black, white, Jew


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: no one on September 15, 2010, 11:47:49 PM
Agreed on the first part, but Ronnie 2004 will not be beatin for many years to come.

i agree- i was at the O that year.

he looked ungodly.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: G_Thang on September 16, 2010, 12:16:47 AM
No, it's because "we" are...what is a mongrel, a mix breed. Brazil has a over 150 classifications, I believe, so many so that i looks like a dog list...Just to appease everybody...I'm tri-racial...but look black, but if you were to look closely at my face, you would be able to pick out the Indian nose and cheekbones, the white bi-lobed chin...and my mom had blonde hair as a child...

And we will not get into the stories that were told about certain white men not waiting until chores were done because they were feening for a taste of chocolate...cause that's how my mom's got blonde hair, and some of my family have blue eyes...
fixed. 
case study 1# - Morena Clara
(http://imagem05.vilamulher.terra.com.br/interacao/original/44/casamento-juliana-paes-44-21.jpg)
some completely overlap.  just away around not being called preta (black).  works the same in other coutries...just different wording. 


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Parker on September 16, 2010, 12:16:55 AM
i agree- i was at the O that year.

he looked ungodly.
Jay is Hercules, Ronnie was Zeus, "Come my Child, back to Mount Olympus' stables with you..."


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Parker on September 16, 2010, 12:22:16 AM
fixed. 
case study 1# - Morena Clara
(http://imagem05.vilamulher.terra.com.br/interacao/original/44/casamento-juliana-paes-44-21.jpg)
some completely overlap.  just away around not being called preta (black).  works the same in other coutries...just different wording. 
Look at Boris Becker's wife and girlfriends
 Barbara Feltus, Angela Ermakova (only lasted 2 minutes in a broom cupboard with her), Caroline Rocher (nice Playboy pics), Sabrina Setlur, Sharlely Kersenberg...think he has a thing for mulatta chicas?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-471702/My-Boris-Beckerlike-Tennis-stars-ex-wife-dating-doppelganger.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-471702/My-Boris-Beckerlike-Tennis-stars-ex-wife-dating-doppelganger.html)

And he said about his ex-wife, Barbara Feltus, that he didn't know she was a different color, until she was lying in the bed with him and the moon light hit her...


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: G_Thang on September 16, 2010, 03:51:22 AM
Look at Boris Becker's wife and girlfriends
 Barbara Feltus, Angela Ermakova (only lasted 2 minutes in a broom cupboard with her), Caroline Rocher (nice Playboy pics), Sabrina Setlur, Sharlely Kersenberg...think he has a thing for mulatta chicas?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-471702/My-Boris-Beckerlike-Tennis-stars-ex-wife-dating-doppelganger.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-471702/My-Boris-Beckerlike-Tennis-stars-ex-wife-dating-doppelganger.html)

And he said about his ex-wife, Barbara Feltus, that he didn't know she was a different color, until she was lying in the bed with him and the moon light hit her...

(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/07_03/loversDM3007_468x159.jpg)

i'll be in london in dec, can see myself getting played by some of these ladies. 


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Wiggs on September 16, 2010, 03:52:32 AM
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/07_03/loversDM3007_468x159.jpg)

i'll be in london in dec, can see myself getting played by some of these ladies. 


All horrible but the last one.


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: G_Thang on September 16, 2010, 04:13:38 AM

All nice but first one.

fixed.


kai getting in those last O workouts


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Chick on September 16, 2010, 04:21:32 AM
fixed.


kai getting in those last O workouts

Tough to say whose the bigger Jackass in this pic...


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Meso_z on September 16, 2010, 05:41:29 AM
fixed.


kai getting in those last O workouts
LMAO


Title: Re: Phil Heath: I will beat Jay and Kai!
Post by: Parker on September 16, 2010, 06:25:40 AM

All horrible but the last one.
First one's is Angela Ermakova, if you google her, that pic ain't her best, she is fine ass mulatta. 2nd from right is Caroline Rocher, she was in German Playboy, did a Josephine Baker type of photoshoot, she is a dancer (ballet), beautiful, legs and chest and backside...Boris Becker has a thing for mulattas, unfortunately, his daughter with Angela Ermakova looks like him in the face, and he treats her like ugly step child. His son with his first wife looks like his wife, but with Boris' nose, and close together eyes, giving him a look akin to Bert and Arnie.