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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Devon97 on December 25, 2010, 08:24:36 AM
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This would include structuring a contest prep diet, supplements, juice, weight training and cardio programs.
Who would you put your money on for the best overall chance of success?
Tbombz or gh15? ???
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Tbombz never did a show so I don`t think I`d go to him.
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Tbombz with training, God with "supplementation"
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Tbombz with training, God with "supplementation"
hany rambjob for training with FS-9,,,God for training, hormones, help with life problems such as marriage,,kids girlfirends,,mistresses,,choosing the correc TV every facet ofyour life GOD can help (alas GH15)
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:o
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Tbombz never did a show so I don`t think I`d go to him.
Neither did Chad Nichols..... however in my honest opinion i wouldn't want to use him either. I would rather use a Palumbo, Aceto, or Fuller for a prep guru.
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Don't know who "GH15" really is and has been wrong A LOT of the time and Tbombz has yet to train a soccer mom let alone train an IFBB pro. That being said I wouldn't trust anyone of them at this point.
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Don't know who "GH15" really is and has been wrong A LOT of the time and Tbombz has yet to train a soccer mom let alone train an IFBB pro. That being said I wouldn't trust anyone of them at this point.
I don't know if i necessarily agree with eating chinese buffet as a cheat meal on a diet either.
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I would go with Johnny Failcan
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Here is a pic of some of my progress working with johnny failcan
(http://rippleeffecttraining.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/skinny-fat.jpg)
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Here is a pic of some of my progress working with johnny failcan
(http://rippleeffecttraining.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/skinny-fat.jpg)
Looking ripped Stickstickly.
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Don't know who "GH15" really is and has been wrong A LOT of the time and Tbombz has yet to train a soccer mom let alone train an IFBB pro. That being said I wouldn't trust anyone of them at this point.
lol
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Neither did Chad Nichols..... however in my honest opinion i wouldn't want to use him either. I would rather use a Palumbo, Aceto, or Fuller for a prep guru.
your better off doing it yourself. Only thing you need is an honest set of eyes that knows what you should look like at x amount of weeks out.
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Yeah, failcan's methods can't be beat, just stand all day and you will add pounds of lean muscle to yo wheels LOL!
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your better off doing it yourself. Only thing you need is an honest set of eyes that knows what you should look like at x amount of weeks out.
Thats really the only reason why i had the trainer i did last year. I did my own diet, "supplements", etc and when it came down to it no water manipulation was needed. All he did was look and give me the thumbs up. Sometimes you have to pay for that kind of attention from someone who KNOWS what they are talking about. You get desperate and emotionally unstable deep into a diet.
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Thats really the only reason why i had the trainer i did last year. I did my own diet, "supplements", etc and when it came down to it no water manipulation was needed. All he did was look and give me the thumbs up. Sometimes you have to pay for that kind of attention from someone who KNOWS what they are talking about. You get desperate and emotionally unstable deep into a diet.
Yes, there is good money to be made from desperate, and emotional bodybuilders.
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Yes, there is good money to be made from desperate, and emotional bodybuilders.
As there are desperate and emotional people who pray to the lord hahahahahahahah
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well, one of them looks like this after YEARS ON steroids.
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6493/taynewpic.jpg)
Im not one to complain about others, but man, thats worthless..
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But the key is how much he has changed since starting training. If he has changed a great deal, then it's most likely that he has some decent knowledge.
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But the key is how much he has changed since starting training. If he has changed a great deal, then it's most likely that he has some decent knowledge.
everyone has some decent knowledge after a few years in the gym
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tbombz is an "expert" on everything
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Wrong, most people are clueless. Why do you think that 95% of gym members look exactly the same year after year?
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Wrong, most people are clueless. Why do you think that 95% of gym members look exactly the same year after year?
well if you look like that after years on years on aas I think you're pretty clueless also.
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Neither would be the best bet.
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Has he been on the sause for years and years? I don't think so.
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The best psychologist is the best prep guy ;)
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The best psychologist is the best prep guy ;)
thats why oscar arden is the man!
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well, one of them looks like this after YEARS ON steroids.
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6493/taynewpic.jpg)
Im not one to complain about others, but man, thats worthless..
first of all, im fat as fuckin shit in that picture. im probably 25% bodyfat. i have a little bit bigger than average bone frame, and a huge head. i dont look like much in that picture, but if i had the same muscle at 10%bf then i would look a whole lot bigger. im also 5'11''(1/2), even though i probably look 5'8-5'9 in that pic
secondly, you have an unrealistic conception of how effective steroids are.
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Neither did Chad Nichols..... however in my honest opinion i wouldn't want to use him either. I would rather use a Palumbo, Aceto, or Fuller for a prep guru.
dave palumbo for contest prep? would you like to end up looking like him? ???
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first of all, im fat as fuckin shit in that picture. im probably 25% bodyfat. i have a little bit bigger than average bone frame, and a huge head. i dont look like much in that picture, but if i had the same muscle at 10%bf then i would look a whole lot bigger. im also 5'11''(1/2), even though i probably look 5'8-5'9 in that pic
secondly, you have an unrealistic conception of how effective steroids are.
Agreed.... too many people think they are miracle drugs. Most people have below average response thus = 3-4 years of consistent use to get to 200+
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Agreed.... too many people think they are miracle drugs. Most people have below average response thus = 3-4 years of consistent use to get to 200+
True, but the flip of it is that if you are truely ever going to be a beast it will be pretty evident after a few years of usage. For the few who are amazing responders, steroids are indeed wonder drugs.
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True, but the flip of it is that if you are truely ever going to be a beast it will be pretty evident after a few years of usage. For the few who are amazing responders, steroids are indeed wonder drugs.
I would say it will be evident within weeks. Response to drugs, just like to training and anything related to bodybuilding, is an almost overnight phenomenon. No one grows very slowly and steadily and then one day wakes up years down the road and finds himself "a beast".
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I would say it will be evident within weeks. Response to drugs, just like to training and anything related to bodybuilding, is an almost overnight phenomenon. No one grows very slowly and steadily and then one day wakes up years down the road and finds himself "a beast".
Oh sure I definitely agree results do happen that quickly, I just mean if you are gonna be a pro bb, after a few years on you will look like a competitve bber. You wont go fr 15in arms to 19in arms in a few weeks, but if you are ever going to have them you will after a few years on. We are saying the same thing.
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Van, you are a wise and sage dude and what you say is true. Also, I would add that growth occurs in "spurts" not in a slow and consistant way.
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first of all, im fat as fuckin shit in that picture. im probably 25% bodyfat. i have a little bit bigger than average bone frame, and a huge head. i dont look like much in that picture, but if i had the same muscle at 10%bf then i would look a whole lot bigger. im also 5'11''(1/2), even though i probably look 5'8-5'9 in that pic
secondly, you have an unrealistic conception of how effective steroids are.
My dick looks small because my balls are too big. ::)
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My dick looks small because my balls are too big. ::)
I have that problem too. :-[
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Oh sure I definitely agree results do happen that quickly, I just mean if you are gonna be a pro bb, after a few years on you will look like a competitve bber. You wont go fr 15in arms to 19in arms in a few weeks, but if you are ever going to have them you will after a few years on. We are saying the same thing.
Yeah going pro takes a few years. Looking like a competitive bodybuilder, well, if we take a guy who has a "natural base" and put him on a cycle he will look like a potentially competitive bb during that first cycle - if he has pro potential. If you don't definitely look like a bodybuilder after a cycle or two I'm afraid it's not going to happen. Take any pro, and I guarantee that they all looked very impressive after the first cycle. Some say bodybuilding is a marathon, not a sprint, and I say BULLSHIT! :D
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Yeah going pro takes a few years. Looking like a competitive bodybuilder, well, if we take a guy who has a "natural base" and put him on a cycle he will look like a potentially competitive bb during that first cycle - if he has pro potential. If you don't definitely look like a bodybuilder after a cycle or two I'm afraid it's not going to happen. Take any pro, and I guarantee that they all looked very impressive after the first cycle. Some say bodybuilding is a marathon, not a sprint, and I say BULLSHIT! :D
tdongz has said there is no such thing as a natural base and thats all bullshit. :-\
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Yeah going pro takes a few years. Looking like a competitive bodybuilder, well, if we take a guy who has a "natural base" and put him on a cycle he will look like a potentially competitive bb during that first cycle - if he has pro potential. If you don't definitely look like a bodybuilder after a cycle or two I'm afraid it's not going to happen. Take any pro, and I guarantee that they all looked very impressive after the first cycle. Some say bodybuilding is a marathon, not a sprint, and I say BULLSHIT! :D
LOL, remember when Trey Brewer said bodybuilding is about having patience?? How the fuck can you talk about Patience when in 3 years of lifting you turned into a 280lb beast?? Pro bodybuilders crack me up!
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tdongz has said there is no such thing as a natural base and thats all bullshit. :-\
Depends on what you call base. With base I mean that you have some weight training experience or alternately have done some other sport. If you don't know how to lift weights and can't push yourself at all then that's not a good starting point to get the most out of your drugs.
I don't necessarily think you have to hit your "natural limit" before going on drugs.
LOL, remember when Trey Brewer said bodybuilding is about having patience?? How the fuck can you talk about Patience when in 3 years of lifting you turned into a 280lb beast?? Pro bodybuilders crack me up!
LOL exactly. Same as Priest preaching of patience when he turned pro by 19, competed at the Worlds by 17 etc. What patience? ???:D
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Depends on what you call base. With base I mean that you have some weight training experience or alternately have done some other sport. If you don't know how to lift weights and can't push yourself at all then that's not a good starting point to get the most out of your drugs.
I don't necessarily think you have to hit your "natural limit" before going on drugs.
No natural limit, but like you said a good base of weight training experience and knowledge of your body's responses to exercises/nutrition should be obtained before juicing to the gills.
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I would say it will be evident within weeks. Response to drugs, just like to training and anything related to bodybuilding, is an almost overnight phenomenon. No one grows very slowly and steadily and then one day wakes up years down the road and finds himself "a beast".
It's hard to say from just that one pic, but do you think Dizzle can become a pro if he juiced accordingly?
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It's hard to say from just that one pic, but do you think Dizzle can become a pro if he juiced accordingly?
I'd say no. Not from the few fuzzy, out of focus pics he's posted. Besides it looks like that tricep is already busting at the seam with 30wt. :-X
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I have that problem too. :-[
You need some ball stretching my friend I'd say that the lower your balls hang the larger your penis will look
My balls have lowered, I have engaged in some ball stretching awhile back and it must worked. I think it makes the penis look bigger and better, at least in my own eyes ::)..
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It's hard to say from just that one pic, but do you think Dizzle can become a pro if he juiced accordingly?
GTFO here Kiwiol
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knowledge of your body's responses to exercises/nutrition should be obtained before juicing to the gills.
Agreed 100%
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You need some ball stretching my friend I'd say that the lower your balls hang the larger your penis will look
My balls have lowered, I have engaged in some ball stretching awhile back and it must worked. I think it makes the penis look bigger and better, at least in my own eyes ::)..
I would think penii stretching would be the proper way to attack this, or possibly a ball reduction surgery.
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I'd say no. Not from the few fuzzy, out of focus pics he's posted. Besides it looks like that tricep is already busting at the seam with 30wt. :-X
GTFO here Kiwiol
There was a thread a few months ago where Dizzle was saying that 99% of the population could become pro if they took the right stack (which I was arguing against), which is why I was asking Van's opinion.
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There was a thread a few months ago where Dizzle was saying that 99% of the population could become pro if they took the right stack (which I was arguing against), which is why I was asking Van's opinion.
There's a saying, the first step to enlightenment is knowing you know nothing. ;)
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No natural limit, but like you said a good base of weight training experience and knowledge of your body's responses to exercises/nutrition should be obtained before juicing to the gills.
why ?
steroids work regardless of exercise and/or proper nutrition.
waiting is not needed.
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It's hard to say from just that one pic, but do you think Dizzle can become a pro if he juiced accordingly?
It's hard to say much from just one bad pick. I don't think he's happy with how he looks at the moment or he'd post better pics.
Anyway, there's people sneaking into the pros who really shouldn't nowadays so even guys with relatively poor genetics might luck into a card. But are they really pros when no one thinks they should be?
Looking like a deserving pro is hard and most can't do it, no matter what. Could tbombz? I don't know.
This guy won his pro card recently. But he's not what most would consider a pro. Leafy Bug kills this guy as a bodybuilder.
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/JEB_8645wtmk_XUQTRKNPCS.JPG)
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There was a thread a few months ago where Dizzle was saying that 99% of the population could become pro if they took the right stack (which I was arguing against), which is why I was asking Van's opinion.
i have to agree with candy on that issue.
i've said it here 100 times - steroids do not only grow muscle in a select few - these so called genetically blessed pro bodybuilders, they work exactly the same on couch potatoes, soccer moms, old people etc
if the gear is real the gains will come - study after study has shown this.
the fact that there are so few 'responders' tells me there is rampant fake gear about, not that steroids only work in a select few.
now I'm only talking about pro size mass - not the other factors that determine a successful pro such as symmetry, condition, proportion etc
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I would say it will be evident within weeks. Response to drugs, just like to training and anything related to bodybuilding, is an almost overnight phenomenon. No one grows very slowly and steadily and then one day wakes up years down the road and finds himself "a beast".
Ronnie Coleman..... I dont think everyone is the same. I think anyone get get big. It just takes alot of time for some people before they hit their stride.
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One factor is skeletal structure, and the ideal structure is: wide clavicles, narrow hips, long legs, and medium length arms and torso
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Ronnie Coleman..... I dont think everyone is the same. I think anyone get get big. It just takes alot of time for some people before they hit their stride.
Are you saying Ronnie took a long time in becoming a 'real bodybuilder'?
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It's hard to say much from just one bad pick. I don't think he's happy with how he looks at the moment or he'd post better pics.
Anyway, there's people sneaking into the pros who really shouldn't nowadays so even guys with relatively poor genetics might luck into a card. But are they really pros when no one thinks they should be?
Looking like a deserving pro is hard and most can't do it, no matter what. Could tbombz? I don't know.
This guy won his pro card recently. But he's not what most would consider a pro.
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/JEB_8645wtmk_XUQTRKNPCS.JPG)
Fair answer. Candi has posted pics from when he was 16/17 and he looked a lot better than the guy in the above pic.
And when I asked you if he could turn pro, I meant a "real" pro, like one who competes in the IFBB pro circuit (not qualifiers for amateurs) and places 15th or higher at some point, not someone like in the pic above who managed to win a pro card. After all, you have jokes like Jocelyn Pelletier competing as pros (never mind his prime shape 20 something years ago) onstage, but no one thinks of them when talking about pro bodybuilders.
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Are you saying Ronnie took a long time in becoming a 'real bodybuilder'?
No but im saying he took a long time before he was a GOOD bodybuilder. Ronnie was naturally a big guy but it took him a good 10 years before he caught his stride. I do agree however that bodybuilding is a sprint.... It is far to expensive of a sport to be a marathon... If you have a 50000 dollar supplement contract then you can take your time but most dont have that.
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Fair answer. Candi has posted pics from when he was 16/17 and he looked a lot better than the guy in the above pic.
And when I asked you if he could turn pro, I meant a "real" pro, like one who competes in the IFBB contests and places 15th or higher at some point, not someone like in the pic above who managed to win a pro card. After all, you have jokes like Jocelyn Pelletier competing as pros (never mind his prime shape 20 something years ago) onstage, but no one thinks of them when talking about pro bodybuilders.
Leafy Bug could turn pro with some luck. We've seen pics from every angle and I think he's got potential.
tbombz should do a show ASAP. No sense in waiting. Then you could assess potential.
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Fair answer. Candi has posted pics from when he was 16/17 and he looked a lot better than the guy in the above pic.
And when I asked you if he could turn pro, I meant a "real" pro, like one who competes in the IFBB pro circuit (not qualifiers for amateurs) and places 15th or higher at some point, not someone like in the pic above who managed to win a pro card. After all, you have jokes like Jocelyn Pelletier competing as pros (never mind his prime shape 20 something years ago) onstage, but no one thinks of them when talking about pro bodybuilders.
I wouldn't say candi looked better then that guy at 16 or 17. Candi has never posted pics of him dieted down on stage. That isn't a fair assesment and i agree totally with him that anyone can become a pro bodybuilder if they have money.
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I wouldn't say candi looked better then that guy at 16 or 17. Candi has never posted pics of him dieted down on stage. That isn't a fair assesment and i agree totally with him that anyone can become a pro bodybuilder if they have money.
None even dieted down, I think he set a goal of wanting to weigh a specific amount before he makes a "debut" on stage, but he hasn't gotten lean enough to see how he looks in anything close to contest condition.
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Fair answer. Candi has posted pics from when he was 16/17 and he looked a lot better than the guy in the above pic.
Prove it.
I only recall seeing very non impressive photos.
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I wouldn't say candi looked better then that guy at 16 or 17.
Sorry, but I didn't word that properly. I meant to say Candi looked a lot better at 16/17 in the pics he posted than the above guy would've looked if he was natural, given how shitty he looks in that pic when obviously juicing to an above-average degree.
i agree totally with him that anyone can become a pro bodybuilder if they have money.
Again, when I say "pro", I mean someone who could place 15th or higher in at least a 3rd tier IFBB pro contest and who looks like a pro, not a joke like Jocelyn Pelletier or the guy in the above pic, who are technically pros, but have no place competing. Yes, they are pros, but should they be one? - That's another topic altogether.
And in that sense, I'd say it's not possible for anyone to become a pro. Like Fatpanda said, it might be possible for them to achieve a pro size physique (which IMO isn't possible with everyone), but not be good enough / have the shape, size, conditioning & drug response to earn a pro card.
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I think turning pro "may" not be an issue but being a good pro then thats where the % gets alot smaller.
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Prove it.
I only recall seeing very non impressive photos.
I worded it wrong, as explained above.
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i really feel like my best gains have yet to come.
kiwiol i am friends with a couple top amatuers and an ifbb pro. i know what it takes to place top 15. i think i can become big enough, and i know i have the aesthetics underneath the fat. but what i dont know is if ill ever get lean enough and if i do get lean enough exactly how tight my skin will be. its those two things that will limit me
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Forget about PRO's
Can Dizzle win a local contest ?
Can Dizzle win a state contest ?
Can Dizzle win a national contest ?
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Forget about PRO's
Can Dizzle win a local contest ?
Can Dizzle win a state contest ?
Can Dizzle win a national contest ?
no no and no
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Could anyone turn pro? No, can alot of people with not so good genetics turn pro? Yes! Shelby Starnes (I think he's in Nationals), Dusty Hanshaw, Alex Azarian, all can turn pro. depending who decides to compete that they, if their competitors fuck up or over spill, or just don't diet hard enough they can possibly win their pro cards that night. However as popular as they are in the amateur ranks they will fad away in the pro ranks and won't get one ounce of the attention they are getting now. Tamer Elshahat, Abbas Khatami, Heinz Senior, Putnam, all have managed to turn pro. but don't even resemble a professional bodybuilder. Just because they came out the best "that night".
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Forget about PRO's
Can Dizzle win a local contest ?
Can Dizzle win a state contest ?
Can Dizzle win a national contest ?
it depends hwo much money he has,,it also depends on who his source is and how much this source like him,, trust me thats the most important factor,,
yes to all,,
gh15 approved
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a lean physique looks infinitely better than a fat and bloated one
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None even dieted down, I think he set a goal of wanting to weigh a specific amount before he makes a "debut" on stage, but he hasn't gotten lean enough to see how he looks in anything close to contest condition.
In the end it doesnt matter. What gets you placed higher and higher in a contest is to continually show up year after year better then you were before even if you weigh 135 your first show. If a judging panel sees you drift up from a light weight to a heavy weight over years they eventually are going to let you win. The stage experience you gain from that time between is essential. I don't think i've ever seen a bodybuilder walk into a show never competing in it and win. Rarely happens. Dorian wasn't even good and thats the closest you see to that kind of thing.
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it depends hwo much money he has,,it also depends on who his source is and how much this source like him,, trust me thats the most important factor,,
yes to all,,
gh15 approved
My points is that he has never competed before and here we are talking about Dizzle being a PRO.
It's kind of like Onlymen training for the Olympics ::).
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ANYONE can get lean enough, you just got to want it bad enough. And, as in my case, it really helps to have an addicitive and obsessive personality ;D
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(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/JEB_8645wtmk_XUQTRKNPCS.JPG)
This guy is in his 40`s and competes as a lightweight (154 +1/4 pounds),so not a fair example.
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(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/JEB_8645wtmk_XUQTRKNPCS.JPG)
This guy is in his 40`s and competes as a lightweight (154 +1/4 pounds),so not a fair example.
if this fella is a professional any one can be ,,mater of age and competition you make your pro card,,also matter of supplier contact to drugs,,as i said before,,it has nothing concerning getting lean per say ,,it is HOW MUCH GH YOU USE,,and how well you respind to hormones inorder to turn pro youger,,the worse you respond to hormone ....the longer it will take to become pro ,,and ofcourse you wont do nothing on pro stage but you sure will have the litle carton card
gh15 approved
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i really feel like my best gains have yet to come.
kiwiol i am friends with a couple top amatuers and an ifbb pro. i know what it takes to place top 15. i think i can become big enough, and i know i have the aesthetics underneath the fat. but what i dont know is if ill ever get lean enough and if i do get lean enough exactly how tight my skin will be. its those two things that will limit me
anyone who can get as strong as tbombz, imo has the potential to become massive. And tbombz are you referring to loose skn? I dont think thin skin matters much as long as you get the muscles big enough skin will be tight :)
also gh tightens skin I believe
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i really feel like my best gains have yet to come.
kiwiol i am friends with a couple top amatuers and an ifbb pro. i know what it takes to place top 15. i think i can become big enough, and i know i have the aesthetics underneath the fat. but what i dont know is if ill ever get lean enough and if i do get lean enough exactly how tight my skin will be. its those two things that will limit me
You are young and have a lot of time. And yes, you could become "pro", in the sense you could one day earn a pro card. But I'm talking about placing 15th or above in a respectable pro show. I suppose Che asked the better question to make the point, as in could you win a major contest.
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ANYONE can get lean enough, you just got to want it bad enough. And, as in my case, it really helps to have an addicitive and obsessive personality ;D
Agree there as well. Most people act like getting lean is a genetic matter. It is but its a 1% difference. With the right drugs and money anyone can do it.
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/JEB_8645wtmk_XUQTRKNPCS.JPG)
This guy is in his 40`s and competes as a lightweight (154 +1/4 pounds),so not a fair example.
I stronlge disagree with kiwi on the point of him being juiced to the gills. This guy has probably run a few cycles but he isn't taking much. You learn the look after seeing these things for a while.
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I stronlge disagree with kiwi on the point of him being juiced to the gills. This guy has probably run a few cycles but he isn't taking much.
Haha I'll admit I know fcukall about steroids or the doses involved. I just saw the guy competing in a contest like that and assumed that he was taking a boatload of stuff but was a shitty responder (in terms of size, compared to the top 6 guys in the Olympia).
Let me put this another way - if Candi took say, the "average" drug stack of one of the top 10 Mr Olympia guys from this year, would he be good enough to compete as one of them in that stage if he lifted the same amount of time as one of them?
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This guy has probably run a few cycles but he isn't taking much.
Probably more than a "few". According to MD he has been competing since 1987! :D
(http://www.bodybuilders.com/richards_big7.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilders.com/richards_big2.jpg)
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Probably more than a "few". According to MD he has been competing since 1987! :D
Dose wise...
Haha I'll admit I know fcukall about steroids or the doses involved. I just saw the guy competing in a contest like that and assumed that he was taking a boatload of stuff but was a shitty responder (in terms of size, compared to the top 6 guys in the Olympia).
Let me put this another way - if Candi took say, the "average" drug stack of one of the top 10 Mr Olympia guys from this year, would he be good enough to compete as one of them in that stage if he lifted the same amount of time as one of them?
I have tremendous respect for these older guys that come in and take their class at nationals who have full time careers. I know how hard that is....Especially when you have a good career like a doctor or lawyer. Bodybuilding is an expensive sport.
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Dose wise...I have tremendous respect for these older guys that come in and take their class at nationals who have full time careers. I know how hard that is....Especially when you have a good career like a doctor or lawyer. Bodybuilding is an expensive sport.
Hence, often the more money you have the better you will look. Two guys who are almost genetically equivalent are competing next to each other for 1st place. One guy makes little money and was only able to afford some test and a little winny for his show. The other guy could afford Test, Tren, Masteron, and 10 kits of GH. Let's say they both dieted right, who's gonna look more symetrical, bigger, leaner, and more conditioned? Who's more likely to walk away with the plastic trophy, and who's more likely to come runner up?
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I have tremendous respect for these older guys that come in and take their class at nationals who have full time careers. I know how hard that is....Especially when you have a good career like a doctor or lawyer. Bodybuilding is an expensive sport.
Agree. And when I referred to that guy's physique as "shitty" before, I meant in terms of size, when compared to the top guys in the Olympia.
Anyone who improves on their previous self via honest effort and a fair amount of work, enhanced or not, has my respect too.
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You are young and have a lot of time. And yes, you could become "pro", in the sense you could one day earn a pro card. But I'm talking about placing 15th or above in a respectable pro show. I suppose Che asked the better question to make the point, as in could you win a major contest.
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The way I see it, if you have the ability to be a muscular 200 pounds, why cant you be a muscular 250 pounds? IT all comes down to drugs. Now most will not get there and that is the truth.but its not genetics.
-legit hg grade gear year round for years on end- how many guys have pharma grade gear 5 years straight with no fakes with legit gh?
-need to use a ton of drugs and not have any setbacks or periods of not juicing eating or training-how many guys are willing to abuse themselves with the drugs. 99 percent of juicers are weekend warriors and would never go over a gram of shit.
- need to stay healthy and injury free- not many can do this.
- no what they are doing as far as drugs,trainng,etc- not many smart bbers out there.
you guy think gh15 says becoming a pro is easy. he never said that. In fact it is very hard. But most could be pro size if they have the right luck.
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im tellin you ,,you can be on 10 iu not even 15 or 20 ,,10 iu gh a day and go to disnyland and sit there and eat all the croason chocolatos you want every 3 hours,,and take of shirt and be lean and large,,this is bodybuilding,,this is the truth
the higher dose of gh ,,the less you need to even think about diet,,even 8 iu of gh a day will let you eat ANYTHING YOU DESIRE ,,5 will do it too but 8 will let you be stressed and do it and still be lean and large
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im tellin you ,,you can be on 10 iu not even 15 or 20 ,,10 iu gh a day and go to disnyland and sit there and eat all the croason chocolatos you want every 3 hours,,and take of shirt and be lean and large,,this is bodybuilding,,this is the truth
the higher dose of gh ,,the less you need to even think about diet,,even 8 iu of gh a day will let you eat ANYTHING YOU DESIRE ,,5 will do it too but 8 will let you be stressed and do it and still be lean and large
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Hey god, do you like the new GH dosing 10IU's 3x a week for the poorer individuals, or do you prefer lower dose longer use?
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Probably more than a "few". According to MD he has been competing since 1987! :D
(http://www.bodybuilders.com/richards_big7.jpg)
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lol much more than few,,this is usually the most addicts,,they use hormones since 20s and never place well,,they ait till 40s and turn pro,,,this fella was big ,,in gym he is big probably competed at classes too heavy for his frame and had to resude size inorder to look decent enough for pro card even at masters,,this kind of fella is always on lots of trenbolona ,,lots of gh ,, and lots of testosterona,,ALWAYS,,also good amount of pure anabolics,,and will try insulin at lower doses even though will respond bad to in his case,,i wont go to reason why ,,but this fella will respond bad to insulin thats why dont use it as much
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lol much more than few,,this is usually the most addicts,,they use hormones since 20s and never place well,,they ait till 40s and turn pro,,,this fella was big ,,in gym he is big probably competed at classes too heavy for his frame and had to resude size inorder to look decent enough for pro card even at masters,,this kind of fella is always on lots of trenbolona ,,lots of gh ,, and lots of testosterona,,ALWAYS,,also good amount of pure anabolics,,and will try insulin at lower doses even though will respond bad to in his case,,i wont go to reason why ,,but this fella will respond bad to insulin thats why dont use it as much
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well you said the guy had to drop too much weight to get a pro card. That usually tells us why he won't respond well to insulin, it's like how Shahriar Kamali used insulin and galloped in weight, yet those weight gains didn't go to muscle but went to bloat and just expanding his stomach while his muscle mass stayed relatively the same. This guy won't make that mistake.
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Hey god, do you like the new GH dosing 10IU's 3x a week for the poorer individuals, or do you prefer lower dose longer use?
lower dose split into 2-3 shots ed.
if your using 30iu a week thats enough to promote good growth and strip the fat off of you provided your running the right anabolics with it.
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Don't know who "GH15" really is and has been wrong A LOT of the time and Tbombz has yet to train a soccer mom let alone train an IFBB pro. That being said I wouldn't trust anyone of them at this point.
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Like someone else said, you need an honest set of eyes. If you are intuitive and disciplined you can find out how to train, diet and arguably the most important part of the puzzle... how to use the drugs properly.
Its not challenging to get big. To get big and then get peeled using your drugs with the most efficiency and least amount of detriment to your health is invaluable. Get the proportions and make due with the genetics and structure you're given. Then get the water in the muscle and out from beneath the skin.
If you carry the right size in the right places without having a film of water (and especially getting there with the least amount of struggling and drug use) then I'd say you've played your cards right. Some fuckers pick up a dumbbell, eat more whole food proteins and put on muscle without getting too fat. The same fuckers have a lot of dumb luck nailing their diet and usually respond to drugs extremely well. And if this type of fucker finds the right source and has the right people instruct him how to use his drugs wisely then you've probably got a G4P subscription on your last credit card statement you've been trying to hide from your significant other aka top NPC competitor or IFBB pro.
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Like someone else said, you need an honest set of eyes. If you are intuitive and disciplined you can find out how to train, diet and arguably the most important part of the puzzle... how to use the drugs properly.
Its not challenging to get big. To get big and then get peeled using your drugs with the most efficiency and least amount of detriment to your health is invaluable. Get the proportions and make due with the genetics and structure you're given. Then get the water in the muscle and out from beneath the skin.
If you carry the right size in the right places without having a film of water (and especially getting there with the least amount of struggling and drug use) then I'd say you've played your cards right. Some fuckers pick up a dumbbell, eat more whole food proteins and put on muscle without getting too fat. The same fuckers have a lot of dumb luck nailing their diet and usually respond to drugs extremely well. And if this type of fucker finds the right source and has the right people instruct him how to use his drugs wisely then you've probably got a G4P subscription on your last credit card statement you've been trying to hide from your significant other aka top NPC competitor or IFBB pro.
Good post :)
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i have to agree with candy on that issue.
i've said it here 100 times - steroids do not only grow muscle in a select few - these so called genetically blessed pro bodybuilders, they work exactly the same on couch potatoes, soccer moms, old people etc
if the gear is real the gains will come - study after study has shown this.
the fact that there are so few 'responders' tells me there is rampant fake gear about, not that steroids only work in a select few.
now I'm only talking about pro size mass - not the other factors that determine a successful pro such as symmetry, condition, proportion etc
I hope you know that your "opinion" doesnt count on such topics, right? ::) gtfo
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tbombz....you should either do a show or diet down hard just for yourself and get shredded with little amounts of drugs (while stocking for bulking)... no matter what you weight or how much muscle you lose........after that do some bulking, the right way, and grow lean. 8)
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tbombz....you should either do a show or diet down hard just for yourself and get shredded with little amounts of drugs (while stocking for bulking)... no matter what you weight or how much muscle you lose........after that do some bulking, the right way, and grow lean. 8)
Agreed. I've been dieting hard... ish. Well, my body speaks for itself. But no more perma bulking. No one cares about the awesome physique hidden under sheaths of fat. The fact of the matter is unless you're seriously training for a competition, you should be juiced up and happy with your physique all the time and not just for a couple months out of the year.
I don't care if people say I'm a pretty boy for having abs all year round. If I lift heavier than them, have better proportions and flow and turn more heads then I'd say that is a success. But to each his own. I know I don't feel comfortable when I'm over 12% bf and holding water. I'd rather be 20% bf and fucking humongous if I'm going to be fat. There is a certain range where you can have just the right amount of fat to make you look like absolute shit, even if someone next to you is fatter.
Nothing feels worse than being on drugs and not looking fantastic. :-X
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tbombz....you should either do a show or diet down hard just for yourself and get shredded with little amounts of drugs (while stocking for bulking)... no matter what you weight or how much muscle you lose........after that do some bulking, the right way, and grow lean. 8)
Agreed. I've been dieting hard... ish. Well, my body speaks for itself. But no more perma bulking. No one cares about the awesome physique hidden under sheaths of fat. The fact of the matter is unless you're seriously training for a competition, you should be juiced up and happy with your physique all the time and not just for a couple months out of the year.
I don't care if people say I'm a pretty boy for having abs all year round. If I lift heavier than them, have better proportions and flow and turn more heads then I'd say that is a success. But to each his own. I know I don't feel comfortable when I'm over 12% bf and holding water. I'd rather be 20% bf and fucking humongous if I'm going to be fat. There is a certain range where you can have just the right amount of fat to make you look like absolute shit, even if someone next to you is fatter.
Nothing feels worse than being on drugs and not looking fantastic. :-X
im dieting now. doing it slowly because i want to hold all my muscle. GH15 is right about one thing, junk food is necessary to hold onto muscle while dieting, at least in my experience. i eat very clean except for one meal a day where i eat whatever i want. im not using any t3 or gh and any stimulant or diet aids what so ever. but the fat is still coming off at a slow and steqady rate even while i am growing pretty damn fast. i contribute this to heavy lifting, a tablespoon of olive oil with all my meals, and 500mg test.
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im dieting now. doing it slowly because i want to hold all my muscle. GH15 is right about one thing, junk food is necessary to hold onto muscle while dieting, at least in my experience. i eat very clean except for one meal a day where i eat whatever i want. im not using any t3 or gh and any stimulant or diet aids what so ever. but the fat is still coming off at a slow and steqady rate even while i am growing pretty damn fast. i contribute this to heavy lifting, a tablespoon of olive oil with all my meals, and 500mg test.
He's 100% wrong on that.
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He's 100% wrong on that.
i think theres actually a pretty obvious reason why he is oh-so-right.
fat storeage primes the body for efficient fat burning without need to dip into muscle reserves.
burn fat all day. store a few grams of fat at night. then your body knows it isnt starving, and BOOM, next day your primed to burn through fat quickly and easily all day long. repeat the cycle over and over again.
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Wrong on what coach? Eating a junk meal to keep muscle?
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He's 100% wrong on that.
no gh15 is not wrong ,,why? because everybody do it,,including your sorry ass,,you only LIE repetevily about your drug usage,,like the old geezers do,,205 230 5'6 comon man ,,stop this balonie,,youd be 180 tops at 5'6 clean over 12 months,, tops 180! most likley 170 and under thats after YEARS UPON 10S OF YEARS OF HORMONAL USAGE AND GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE,,
so face the mirror and stop parading around about your training ability for the athletes when you KNOW ITS ALL DRUGS ,,ALL FUCKIN DRUGS,,THEY WOUDNT EVEN GET ON STAGE NOR IN ANY ATHLETCI ACTIVITY WITH OUT THE RIGHT DRUG IN SYSTEM,,TODAY IT IS ALL D R U G S ,,you dont use them you cant keep up because everyone does,,
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i think theres actually a pretty obvious reason why he is oh-so-right.
fat storeage primes the body for efficient fat burning without need to dip into muscle reserves.
burn fat all day. store a few grams of fat at night. then your body knows it isnt starving, and BOOM, next day your primed to burn through fat quickly and easily all day long. repeat the cycle over and over again.
dont worry im right ,,he is just old generation with lies depending on how he wake up in the morning wether on the less lieing side or the more lieing side,,
bunch of balonie fed up to kids to seem superman like,,this is bodybuilding ,,they try to sell you bunch of balonie wether through the need of personal trainers,, or supp companies or all that junk
only thing you need is steroids hgh and the respond to them ,,the phenominal respond ,,that is it! and enough calories for your lean size wont be bad either : )
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Like someone else said, you need an honest set of eyes. If you are intuitive and disciplined you can find out how to train, diet and arguably the most important part of the puzzle... how to use the drugs properly.
Its not challenging to get big. To get big and then get peeled using your drugs with the most efficiency and least amount of detriment to your health is invaluable. Get the proportions and make due with the genetics and structure you're given. Then get the water in the muscle and out from beneath the skin.
If you carry the right size in the right places without having a film of water (and especially getting there with the least amount of struggling and drug use) then I'd say you've played your cards right. Some fuckers pick up a dumbbell, eat more whole food proteins and put on muscle without getting too fat. The same fuckers have a lot of dumb luck nailing their diet and usually respond to drugs extremely well. And if this type of fucker finds the right source and has the right people instruct him how to use his drugs wisely then you've probably got a G4P subscription on your last credit card statement you've been trying to hide from your significant other aka top NPC competitor or IFBB pro.
besgt posting in getbig history! very very good
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Like I said before... AFTER I HIT SUB-6 I COULD EAT A WENDY'S TRIPLE CHEESEBURGER AND WASH IT DOWN WITH A LARGE DR. PEPPER AND STAY AT SUB-6. Eat clean my ass 8) P.S. I am and was a natural trainer. P.P.S I couldn't eat this 3 times a day, but once a day, oui 8)
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Wrong on what coach? Eating a junk meal to keep muscle?
Yes, if someone isn't educated enough in nutrition to realize you don't need useless, processed foods that will not only f**k with your intestinal tract only to slow nutrient absorption (and other things) for a period of time after that crap has been ingested then he/she has no business prepping anyone or giving advise.
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Like I said before... AFTER I HIT SUB-6 I COULD EAT A WENDY'S TRIPLE CHEESEBURGER AND WASH IT DOWN WITH A LARGE DR. PEPPER AND STAY AT SUB-6. Eat clean my ass 8) P.S. I am and was a natural trainer. P.P.S I couldn't eat this 3 times a day, but once a day, oui 8)
DJ Show us some pics when you were lean (no homo )
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I can't do that through ma mobile phone connection che ma man, but if you or someone here on dis site can find ma pic under a thread I started titled "Me at my peak" and if you like you can transfer dat pic over here, no problem.
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I hope you know that your "opinion" doesnt count on such topics, right? ::) gtfo
ok post a single study proving steroids did not work on any particular subject for any reason at all and i'll delete my account.
if not shut your retarded mouth you clown, and know your place.
you are incapable of debating me on any topic in any coherent context.
run along.
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Yes, if someone isn't educated enough in nutrition to realize you don't need useless, processed foods that will not only f**k with your intestinal tract only to slow nutrient absorption (and other things) for a period of time after that crap has been ingested then he/she has no business prepping anyone or giving advise.
a calorie is a calorie coach :D
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well, one of them looks like this after YEARS ON steroids.
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6493/taynewpic.jpg)
Im not one to complain about others, but man, thats worthless..
The triceps only has size because of Insane amounts of site injections.
However, Tbomz did complete a course at a community collage.
That being said i would rather take GH15 for contest prep.
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building muscle is puting the dumble up.. then down.
nutrition = much protein.
ok
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As far as eating "clean" goes, it's probably good for optimal health, but as far as having an outstanding apperance it basically don't mean jack shit! HARD AND EFFICIENT TRAINING TRUMPS A "CLEAN DIET" EVERY FUCKING TIME ;D
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looking great isn't worth feeling terrible
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looking great isn't worth feeling terrible
You can look very good without feeling terrible..You also don't have to eat nasty chicken breast and veggie 8 times a day...hope this helps..
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a calorie is a calorie coach :D
Still see you're clueless as ever.
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Still see you're clueless as ever.
still see you cannot disprove scientific facts ;)
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still see you cannot disprove scientific facts ;)
What, that if you take in less than you burn you'll lose weight? Any idiot knows that. We're talking contest prep not you're average losing weight.
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You get it 225, it is true dat you don't need to eat clean and feel like shit to be in shape. I was feeling pretty damn good eating triples with cheese and drinking a 16 oz coke while sitting at sub-6 8)
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What, that if you take in less than you burn you'll lose weight? Any idiot knows that. We're talking contest prep not you're average losing weight.
if protein is equal any reduction in calories via fat reduction, carb reduction or exercise will result in equal fat loss if all calories losses are equal.
this has been proven beyond a fraction of a doubt.
please explain why you feel contest diet is different ??? and through what mechanisms your fat loss approach is superior to mine?
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The triceps only has size because of Insane amounts of site injections.
However, Tbomz did complete a course at a community collage.
That being said i would rather take GH15 for contest prep.
that tricep has size ??
I never understood how TDongz became a "big guy" around here...e looks like an average gym rat, a natural one at that
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No difference dude, just remember when if you train someone for a show, make sure they load up REAL good on muffins, donuts, twinkies and kit kats and PLENTY of water (oh brother)
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No difference dude, just remember when if you train someone for a show, make sure they load up REAL good on muffins, donuts, twinkies and kit kats and PLENTY of water (oh brother)
a calorie from a donut is the same as a calorie from a plate of oats.
or can you disprove the laws of thermodynamics ?
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a calorie from a donut is the same as a calorie from a plate of oats.
or can you disprove the laws of thermodynamics ?
ahahahahahahahahah pipe down, tub-o-lard.
nobody cares what you think, or gives your opinion any kind of consideration.
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ahahahahahahahahah pipe down, tub-o-lard.
nobody cares what you think, or gives your opinion any kind of consideration.
I totally fucking give up with this guy.
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I totally fucking give up with this guy.
the best part is that he talks like his opinion carries some weight!
ahahahahahahahaha he actually thinks people care what he thinks.
fucking delusional fuck.
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that tricep has size ??
I never understood how TDongz became a "big guy" around here...e looks like an average gym rat, a natural one at that
pipe down you natural beast... :o
I'm just saying that the tri appears to be all inflammation.
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P.S. Mike Mentzer ate cheese pastries and ice cream as part of his 79 Olympia pre-contest diet ;D
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P.S. Mike Mentzer ate cheese pastries and ice cream as part of his 79 Olympia pre-contest diet ;D
Craig Titus carbed up with cocaine pre-contest for better glycogen partitioning.
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ahahahahahahahahah pipe down, tub-o-lard.
nobody cares what you think, or gives your opinion any kind of consideration.
more intellectual diamond posts from no one ::)
have you ever shown any intellect in a post here ???
oh no thats right you let it slip that you only come here to look at pics of my ass crack - and many others no doubt. :-X
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the best part is that he talks like his opinion carries some weight!
ahahahahahahahaha he actually thinks people care what he thinks.
fucking delusional fuck.
LOL!
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Fat Panda,right on the motherfucking money as usual !!!
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Dude can`t even lose 20 pounds,but knows how to get shrinkwrapped for a contest........Oh brother! :'(
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Fat Panda,right on the motherfucking money as usual !!!
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Dude can`t even lose 20 pounds,but knows how to get shrinkwrapped for a contest........Oh brother! :'(
you know of some other way to get ripped that doesn't involve lowering calories or burning more calories. ::)
oh and i've lost 39lbs so far chief.
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oh and i've lost 39lbs so far chief.
Nice going,seriously congrats. :)
Only one thing,stop the calorie is a calorie bullshit please!!
Creating a calorie deficit means that you`ll lose weight,but contest prep is another animal,where eating clean is a prerequisite.
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As far as fatpanda is concerned don't attack the messanger, attack the message. It doesn't matter exactly who it is that says something, what matters and what should be judged is what they are saying.
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you know of some other way to get ripped that doesn't involve lowering calories or burning more calories. ::)
oh and i've lost 39lbs so far chief.
Losing weight and losing fat are 2 different things, stud .
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Nice going,seriously congrats. :)
Only one thing,stop the calorie is a calorie bullshit please!!
Creating a calorie deficit means that you`ll lose weight,but contest prep is another animal,where eating clean is a prerequisite.
why is it different ? seriously have you tried both ways ?
perhaps some manipulation of water and electrolytes is needed for stage but for fat loss a calorie is a calorie.
you may not like it - probably due to being annoyed ay your previous unnecessary suffering during contest diets but its not bullshit.
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Nevermind then !! :'(
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I got into contest condition (a legit sub-6) eating junk (cheeseburgers, french fries, and cola) not by eating "clean" FUCK DAT NOISE! ;D
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the truth is hard to take. :'(
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the truth is hard to take. :'(
You'll get over it
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You'll get over it
yes i'll just have to accept there will always be people who refuse to accept science over broscience and gym myths. :'(
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why is it different ? seriously have you tried both ways ?
perhaps some manipulation of water and electrolytes is needed for stage but for fat loss a calorie is a calorie.
you may not like it - probably due to being annoyed ay your previous unnecessary suffering during contest diets but its not bullshit.
both of these statements are true=
"a calorie is a calorie"
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"you are what your body does with what you eat"
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carbohydrates- doesnt matter when you eat em. fats and proteins= you need to eat them in specific amounts at specific times to ensure you always have availability.
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both of these statements are true=
"a calorie is a calorie"
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"you are what your body does with what you eat"
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Are you on welfare?
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you know what its hard for me to undertand friends?
how come you see all the time mustaf and what became of him,,tomas and what became of him ,,ken and what became of him ,,the murderer of what became of him ,,mike mata and what became of him ,,tons of other examples,,and you still keep debating wether this use little dose and that use nothing but 200mg testosterona,,,
WIZE UP IT IS FUCKIN 2011 IN FEW DAYS,,WIZE UP EVEN THE ONES WHO ARE NOT MY PUPILS WHICH ARE FEW BUT STILL EXIST,,WIZE UP OPEN YOUR EYES ,,THE BEST GENETIC RESPOND TO HORMONES IN HISTORY LOOK WHAT HAPPEN TO THEM ,,LOOK AT KEVIN ,,LOOK AT DORIAN WHEN NOT ON HORMONE IS AT 190 HARDLY!
THOSE ARE GENETIC MUTANTS WITH AMAZING RESPOND TO HORMONES,,SO FOR YOU TO COME HERE AND DEBATE WETHER THIS FELLA IS HALF NATURAL LOL AND ALL THAT BALONIE,,COMON NOW THEY ALL USE THEY JUST SUB RESPOND AND THUS CLAIM NATURAL OR CLEAN ,,
THERE IS THE OLD FRASTRATED INDIVIDUAL LIKE COACH ,,AND THE YOUNG FRASTRATED INDIVIDUAL LIKE CROUCH THEY EVEN RYME THE NAMES LOL THEY ALL USED FOR PECIFIC REASONS MOSTLY INSECURITY AND THE NEED TO BE BETTER,,THEY DID NOT ACHIEVE IT AND THUS WENT OPTION B OR D LIKE YOU LIKE TO CALL IT ON THIS BOARD.....THEY WENT THE I DONT WANT TO BE BODYBUILDER I DONT WANT TO BE SO BIG AND LEAN OPTION ,,ITS NOT ONLY THEM ITS 1000S OF OTHERS,,ITS JUST THE ONES WHO DONT RESPOND BEST TRY TO MINIMIZE USAGE,,
THE END
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THE BEST GENETIC RESPOND TO HORMONES IN HISTORY LOOK WHAT HAPPEN TO THEM THE END
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fagpanda says steroids work the same for everyone and there is no genetic response better/worse.
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Remember when Tdizzle wouldn't have toothpaste cause it had carbs in it. ;D
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Remember when Tdizzle wouldn't have toothpaste cause it had carbs in it. ;D
hahahaha He was doing rails of coke off a nigerians ass, but he didn't want to overdo the carbs.....lol, I remember that. ;D
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fagpanda says steroids work the same for everyone and there is no genetic response better/worse.
fatpanda only reports what he has read in peer reviewed studies, no more no less.
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GENETIC RESPOND TO HORMONES
GENETIC MUTANTS WITH AMAZING RESPOND TO HORMONES
THE END
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And thats all that matters in this game.
Anyone who tells you different is fucking stupid or trying to sell you something.
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if there are a select few super responders to steroids why have none been found in any study of steroids ever ???
isn't it more likely most guys have been sold fake gear rather than there are millions of guys who just dont have the genetics ::)
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if there are a select few super responders to steroids why have none been found in any study of steroids ever ???
isn't it more likely most guys have been sold fake gear rather than there are millions of guys who just dont have the genetics ::)
yeah, thats why you can sell two different guys amps from a bag that has say 500 loose amps in it- one will put on 20 pounds and the other will struggle to gain 10. i guess by sheer luck the guy who gained the 20 pounds must have only gotten the good amps in that batch of 500, and the other guy got fake ones. and continues to only get fake gear every time he orders, while everyone else is just so happening to get the good stuff.
jesus h christ you're an idiot.
why do you post about things you know nothing about? seriously. is it that important for you to feel a part of something you feel the need to provide your imput about topics that you clearly have no knowledge of?
do you realise that this doesnt make you look intelligent, which is what you are hoping it does, but stupid and ignorant?
keep up the good work. after all without people like you on here, we'd have nobody to laugh at.
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if there are a select few super responders to steroids why have none been found in any study of steroids ever ???
isn't it more likely most guys have been sold fake gear rather than there are millions of guys who just dont have the genetics ::)
So if you took a 100 or 1000 guys and made them do Ronnie's or Kevin Levrone's workout after putting them on Ronnie's or KLo's stack and diet, they'll all have (near) equal levels of strength and size? And if they don't, it's because they are taking a "bad batch" of drugs?
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This is the thing about peer reviewed studies...I read a ton of them and I mean A TON of them by different people and the one thing I've concluded is you have use your own conclusions based on what you've read, its going to be different all the time and studies of the same thing will be done over and over and each time it will more than likely be different. Panda, my guess is you haven't been involved in bodybuilding all that long and my guess is that you've never trained a sole. Most case studies will come out different. Bottom line, if you're as educated as you say, then you should know commonsense a lot of the time prevails. Use it!
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So if you took a 100 or 1000 guys and made them do Ronnie's or Kevin Levrone's workout after putting them on Ronnie's or KLo's stack and diet, they'll all have (near) equal levels of strength and size? And if they don't, it's because they are taking a "bad batch" of drugs?
The thing fagpanda doesn't realize is that these studies he copy/pastes/swears by are highly controlled experiments and mostly done on untrained individuals and not done with the sole intention of finding out about muscle mass earned by certain doses of steroids but usually some other factor such as surgery recovery........then he, in his fat covered brain, takes this info and trys to apply it to bodybuilding or weightloss and instead comes off as a complete retard.
Check the protein thread on the nutrition board, I used his own studies against him because he used a bit and piece of the study to make a claim but the study was conducted with parameters outside of normal practices.
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there are a select few super responders to steroids
Yes, there are. From Arnold to Coleman.
Thank god we have them.. otherwise scamming piece of shit supplement companies could not sell worthless shit to morons for a profit.
I’ll tell you something else – big guys do not inject or think of steroids in terms of milliliters – they inject and think of steroids/GH by the bottle. They will not draw a few CC from a bottle - they inject the entire contents of the bottle in one sitting.. because - *that’s how you grow* (talking l o n g esters here).
You take a guy with great genetics/drug response.. and pump him full of insane amounts of drugs, from the time he was a teen - and you get your upper echelon pro.
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Yes, there are. From Arnold to Coleman.
Thank god we have them.. otherwise scamming piece of shit supplement companies could not sell worthless shit to morons for a profit.
I’ll tell you something else – big guys do not inject or think of steroids in terms of milliliters – they inject and think of steroids/GH by the bottle. They will not draw a few CC from a bottle - they inject the entire contents of the bottle in one sitting.. because - *that’s how you grow* (talking l o n g esters here).
You take a guy with great genetics/drug response.. and pump him full of insane amounts of drugs, from the time he was a teen - and you get your upper echelon pro.
Agree 100% except the bolded.
I think an above-average guy is all that is needed, not GREAT genetics.....someone not fat with a bit of muscle tone, not a skinny twink...not a fat fuck.
I don't think you need to be one in a million at all, the one area you need to be exceptional is your willingness to put yourself through what it takes and have the ability to get all of those drugs on a regular basis
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Agree 100% except the bolded.
I think an above-average guy is all that is needed, not GREAT genetics.....someone not fat with a bit of muscle tone, not a skinny twink...not a fat fuck.
I mentioned *upper echelon pro*.
Fact is... many a *skinny twink* have grown into some of the very best bodybuilders of all time.
I agree about the fat guys though - they're generally fucked.
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yeah, thats why you can sell two different guys amps from a bag that has say 500 loose amps in it- one will put on 20 pounds and the other will struggle to gain 10. i guess by sheer luck the guy who gained the 20 pounds must have only gotten the good amps in that batch of 500, and the other guy got fake ones. and continues to only get fake gear every time he orders, while everyone else is just so happening to get the good stuff.
jesus h christ you're an idiot.
why do you post about things you know nothing about? seriously. is it that important for you to feel a part of something you feel the need to provide your imput about topics that you clearly have no knowledge of?
do you realise that this doesnt make you look intelligent, which is what you are hoping it does, but stupid and ignorant?
keep up the good work. after all without people like you on here, we'd have nobody to laugh at.
clearly of the 2 guys the one that trained smarter and ate better gained more. its not rocket science.
now why don't you go back to pretending your a 280lb ripped to the bone walking encyclopedia of bullshit, and leave the thinking mans posts to those that use rational logic and peer reviewed studies to guide them.
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So if you took a 100 or 1000 guys and made them do Ronnie's or Kevin Levrone's workout after putting them on Ronnie's or KLo's stack and diet, they'll all have (near) equal levels of strength and size? And if they don't, it's because they are taking a "bad batch" of drugs?
if you take 2 twins feed them the same, train them the same and give them the same gear results will be the same.
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The thing fagpanda doesn't realize is that these studies he copy/pastes/swears by are highly controlled experiments and mostly done on untrained individuals and not done with the sole intention of finding out about muscle mass earned by certain doses of steroids but usually some other factor such as surgery recovery........then he, in his fat covered brain, takes this info and trys to apply it to bodybuilding or weightloss and instead comes off as a complete retard.
Check the protein thread on the nutrition board, I used his own studies against him because he used a bit and piece of the study to make a claim but the study was conducted with parameters outside of normal practices.
actually there have been many studies with steroids done on experienced lifters - every one of the subjects showed similar gains.
never once heard of a super responder.
i read about some myostatin kid once, so i guess there is the odd freak................... .........
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if you take 2 twins feed them the same, train them the same and give them the same gear results will be the same.
Identical or fraternal? Huge difference.
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if you take 2 twins feed them the same, train them the same and give them the same gear results will be the same.
Same DNA, same genetic make up.......doesn't apply.
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james isn't is more logical to assume these super responders just eat and train smarter while taking more steroids - or perhaps a more synergistic stack.
obviously there is some genetic variance in muscle type among genetic types, whites, blacks, middle easterns, asians but in every species steroids, lifting heavy weights and eating more protein than normal folks gain muscle.
ronnie coleman was a twink on the bbing stage at one point then after a year with chad blew up into mr olympia. did his genetics suddenly get better or did he just get his diet and drugs right ;)
did monsters like tom prince and levrone genetics suddenly revert to skinny dude genetics when they stopped competing or is it more likely they simply stopped training, eating and drugging like they were.
the studies i mention do show a synergistic effect between training and steroids more than steroids alone. So that can/would explain this 'genetic freak' myth, studies to also point to steroids allowing more protein from diet to be absorbed, which also points to a possible explanation for this 'genetic freak' myth.
so whats more likely - narcissistic bodybuilders claiming superior genetics and minimal dosages or narcissistic bodybuilders simply being drugged to the gills more than others, training smarter than others and eating a lot more than others.
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Same DNA, same genetic make up.......doesn't apply.
Exactly. It's like saying Ronnie's clone would look the same as Ronnie when doing his training, drug & diet regime. Duh.
I was trying to make the point that there will be some who respond a lot, some who will respond very little and the majority who will have an average (compared to the extremes) response viz. the bell shaped distribution. FP's reply to my post is meaningless.
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james isn't is more logical to assume these super responders just eat and train smarter
a calorie is a calorie.
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the majority who will have an average
that's all you need to know
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a calorie is a calorie.
and ?
some who should be taking more calories may struggle to eat enough and hence limit their growth, while another might eat everything in sight.
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clearly of the 2 guys the one that trained smarter and ate better gained more. its not rocket science.
now why don't you go back to pretending your a 280lb ripped to the bone walking encyclopedia of bullshit, and leave the thinking mans posts to those that use rational logic and peer reviewed studies to guide them.
no.
the example i am thinking of actually happened and was the exact opposite of what you wrote, you invalid- one guy who ate 6 meals a day, got in his 1.5g of protein per pound of bodyweight trained like mad and gained 10 pounds. his buddy ate maybe twice/ three times a day whatever he felt like eating and gained almost twice the weight off the ame run. and that guy continues to look at a weight and blow up, where as his buddy busts his ass for every pound.
so shut your stupid fat ignorant fucking mouth you obese dumpy loose skinned pickle titted bitch.
lol
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P.S. Mike Mentzer ate cheese pastries and ice cream as part of his 79 Olympia pre-contest diet ;D
dude was also a speed freak
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this is my diet on americana land,
30 eggwhites drink with pineapple juice with some soft bar sometime 2bananas extra and extra 2 soft bars
up the mass shaker for the calorie,,good calorie,,i hate giving companys good word but i use it myself behind the scene so i can say it,,
5 guys burgers with fries!
sushi bar
steak in some american place usually chain ,,
left over sushi
upmass before bed yes you heard that right
dont know about you but on 15 + unit gh a day 7-8% on regular basis,,LARGE lol
you think other are different? youre severly wrong,,to you they say a in reality they do b,,only time i diet clean is when prep ,,ONLY TIME even then i fuckin cheat ,,
G H G H G H G H G H G H ,,no need for much diet unless going doen to 4%
gh15 approved
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Serious question for all the "clean contest prep diet" fellas... If this "clean diet" is so essential for contest prep, then how do you explain the FACT that I was able to hit a true sub-6 and stay there for 3 months straight eating cheeseburgers, pizza, french fries, coke, pepsi, etc? And yes, I was an am completely natural
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Serious question for all the "clean contest prep diet" fellas... If this "clean diet" is so essential for contest prep, then how do you explain the FACT that I was able to hit a true sub-6 and stay there for 3 months straight eating cheeseburgers, pizza, french fries, coke, pepsi, etc? And yes, I was an am completely natural
How old are you..........you may just have a fast metabolism if you`re young.
Also,you may have been still not eating enough total food,ie. 3 meals a day as opposed to 6 meals,and lots of calorie burning during the course of a day.
Only you know exactly what you were doing at the time.
More importantly,how did your physique look,and what was your bodyweight and height?
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GH15 what about All max nutrition ? do you use it ?
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well, one of them looks like this after YEARS ON steroids.
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6493/taynewpic.jpg)
Im not one to complain about others, but man, thats worthless..
Dongz?
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I was 26 at the time, and 5'11" at 154 at a TRUE sub-6 and no chemicals what so ever. Now I'm 36, and I WILL hit sub-6 again by april, maybe even march without a clean diet. As far as my bodyweight at sub-6, I don't know what it will be, but I'd like to hit about a buck 60. Once again, being completely natural. The ONLY drug I will use is caffeine.
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Serious question for all the "clean contest prep diet" fellas... If this "clean diet" is so essential for contest prep, then how do you explain the FACT that I was able to hit a true sub-6 and stay there for 3 months straight eating cheeseburgers, pizza, french fries, coke, pepsi, etc? And yes, I was an am completely natural
if the "diet guru" tells you to eat 6 meals a day, 70 grams of protein per meal, tries to time your carbs and fats and shit and all that shit and tell you it's the diet that matters!!! don't cheat on your diet ever!! that's the secret!!... well, then, he's full of shit...
i've spend thousands... yes... thousands of dollars on gurus (some of them pretty well known here) and i can tell you that they are all scam artists...
if the guru doesn't sound like this:
"ok... i want you to take 50 mcg of t3, increase it every 2 weeks by 25 mcg... start your clen at 80 mcg and add 20 mcg every 3 days til you hit 200 mcg... start at a tab of ephedrine per day and increase 1 tab every week til you hit 3 tabs in the morning, and 3 in the afternoon... take tren and masteron at 1 ml eod, after 4 weeks make them ed. 1000 mg eq per week... 1 ml prop eod... 4-8 iu gh per day before you sleep"
and then you ask..
"hey... what about the diet?"
and he says "oh... yeah... eat protein... lay off the carbs... and starve"
then THAT is a guru....
the rest are liars who try to hide the drug use by discussing diet 99% of the time and then tell you "oh, and if you feel it is neccessary... i'd want you to add some T3, clen, tren, masteron, DNP, GH, and ephedrine... not neccessary at all... but it'll help... it speeds up results just a bit" knowing that you'd say "YES! OFCOURSE!"
after the results i've been getting week after week on depending more on drugs and training, and less on diet... i'd say the game is
70% drugs
28% training
2% diet
whoever tells you otherwise is a liar scam artist, or stupid
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well, one of them looks like this after YEARS ON steroids.
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6493/taynewpic.jpg)
Im not one to complain about others, but man, thats worthless..
HAH!!! You look like shit!!!
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ok post a single study proving steroids did not work on any particular subject for any reason at all and i'll delete my account.
if not shut your retarded mouth you clown, and know your place.
you are incapable of debating me on any topic in any coherent context.
run along.
I wipe my ass with your "studies"
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if the "diet guru" tells you to eat 6 meals a day, 70 grams of protein per meal, tries to time your carbs and fats and shit and all that shit and tell you it's the diet that matters!!! don't cheat on your diet ever!! that's the secret!!... well, then, he's full of shit...
i've spend thousands... yes... thousands of dollars on gurus (some of them pretty well known here) and i can tell you that they are all scam artists...
if the guru doesn't sound like this:
"ok... i want you to take 50 mcg of t3, increase it every 2 weeks by 25 mcg... start your clen at 80 mcg and add 20 mcg every 3 days til you hit 200 mcg... start at a tab of ephedrine per day and increase 1 tab every week til you hit 3 tabs in the morning, and 3 in the afternoon... take tren and masteron at 1 ml eod, after 4 weeks make them ed. 1000 mg eq per week... 1 ml prop eod... 4-8 iu gh per day before you sleep"
and then you ask..
"hey... what about the diet?"
and he says "oh... yeah... eat protein... lay off the carbs... and starve"
then THAT is a guru....
the rest are liars who try to hide the drug use by discussing diet 99% of the time and then tell you "oh, and if you feel it is neccessary... i'd want you to add some T3, clen, tren, masteron, DNP, GH, and ephedrine... not neccessary at all... but it'll help... it speeds up results just a bit" knowing that you'd say "YES! OFCOURSE!"
after the results i've been getting week after week on depending more on drugs and training, and less on diet... i'd say the game is
70% drugs
28% training
2% diet
whoever tells you otherwise is a liar scam artist, or stupid
BAM!
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Good post buselmo, and for us natural trainers the break-down ratio is like this: HARD TRAINING: 98% of the total equation "Diet": 2% of the total equation
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LOL fantastic posting by buselmo :D
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no.
the example i am thinking of actually happened and was the exact opposite of what you wrote, you invalid- one guy who ate 6 meals a day, got in his 1.5g of protein per pound of bodyweight trained like mad and gained 10 pounds. his buddy ate maybe twice/ three times a day whatever he felt like eating and gained almost twice the weight off the ame run. and that guy continues to look at a weight and blow up, where as his buddy busts his ass for every pound.
so shut your stupid fat ignorant fucking mouth you obese dumpy loose skinned pickle titted bitch.
lol
fantastically well conducted study, i totally and utterly accept this in place of the other 50 or so peer reviewed studies i've read on the topic of steroids ::)
also who is to say the guy who ate whatever he wanted didn't take in more calories or protein ??? or even that increased frequency means greater uptake of nutrients ? i have studies that show lower frequency meals are better for nutrient partitioning.
in fact never mind, it has been well established you cannot add to a debate of any kind.
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Good post buselmo, and for us natural trainers the break-down ratio is like this: HARD TRAINING: 98% of the total equation "Diet": 2% of the total equation
yes... for the natural, training and calorie control is the only thing you can do. by calorie control i don't mean your typical chicken breast and brown rice shit. i mean if you eat 1200 cals, you just care about cals (within reason... not eating chunky kit kats and saying you're controlling your calories and shit... more like beef, eggs, some cereal and bread or shit)... there's little you can do as a natural if you hit your limit after 2 or 3 years... diet won't do shit. training could help about 2-5% if you keep on changing it and stuff like that.
your own body's hormonal production will decide how big you'll get. but in all naturals!!! all of them!!! you will be skinny when you're cut. that's why most of the "naturals" i see are fucking liars.
I competed as a natural once... and i wasn't totally natural either (used M1T 6 months before competing, and used superdrol when i was 6 weeks out til i was 2 weeks out)... competed at 165 lbs and looked like an Ethiopian refugee. wasn't even shredded. i would've probably been 155 lbs if i was. and this was after around 4 years of serious training and dieting and shit.
natural at low body fat will mean that your collar bone sticks out, shoulder will look boney, hip bone showing, and spine shows when you bend over.
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Yeah, in my own personal experience, this 6 meals a day stuff is complete and utter bullshit, and it didn't make a goddamn difference if I ate 2 times per day, or 6 times per day.
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LOL fantastic posting by buselmo :D
I like tis guy. :)
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yup...the obsession with diet is just bullshit and is made much more complicated than it needs to be. it's very simple and basically what you need to worry about is getting in enough calories and protein.
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Yeah, in my own personal experience, this 6 meals a day stuff is complete and utter bullshit, and it didn't make a goddamn difference if I ate 2 times per day, or 6 times per day.
yes, at least for naturals meal frequency isn't a big deal...3 meals per day, 6 meals per day...whatever.
and the guys who eat 6 cooked meals per day of stuff like chicken and rice are nutcases.
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yup...the obsession with diet is just bullshit and is made much more complicated than it needs to be. it's very simple and basically what you need to worry about is getting in enough calories and protein.
and the protein requirements "gurus" preach are ABSURD!!!
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fantastically well conducted study, i totally and utterly accept this in place of the other 50 or so peer reviewed studies i've read on the topic of steroids ::)
also who is to say the guy who ate whatever he wanted didn't take in more calories or protein ??? or even that increased frequency means greater uptake of nutrients ? i have studies that show lower frequency meals are better for nutrient partitioning.
in fact never mind, it has been well established you cannot add to a debate of any kind.
why dont i add this to the debate-
BAM!
i win. you lose, mr fitness.
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if the "diet guru" tells you to eat 6 meals a day, 70 grams of protein per meal, tries to time your carbs and fats and shit and all that shit and tell you it's the diet that matters!!! don't cheat on your diet ever!! that's the secret!!... well, then, he's full of shit...
i've spend thousands... yes... thousands of dollars on gurus (some of them pretty well known here) and i can tell you that they are all scam artists...
if the guru doesn't sound like this:
"ok... i want you to take 50 mcg of t3, increase it every 2 weeks by 25 mcg... start your clen at 80 mcg and add 20 mcg every 3 days til you hit 200 mcg... start at a tab of ephedrine per day and increase 1 tab every week til you hit 3 tabs in the morning, and 3 in the afternoon... take tren and masteron at 1 ml eod, after 4 weeks make them ed. 1000 mg eq per week... 1 ml prop eod... 4-8 iu gh per day before you sleep"
and then you ask..
"hey... what about the diet?"
and he says "oh... yeah... eat protein... lay off the carbs... and starve"
then THAT is a guru....
the rest are liars who try to hide the drug use by discussing diet 99% of the time and then tell you "oh, and if you feel it is neccessary... i'd want you to add some T3, clen, tren, masteron, DNP, GH, and ephedrine... not neccessary at all... but it'll help... it speeds up results just a bit" knowing that you'd say "YES! OFCOURSE!"
after the results i've been getting week after week on depending more on drugs and training, and less on diet... i'd say the game is
70% drugs
28% training
2% diet
whoever tells you otherwise is a liar scam artist, or stupid
LMAO! Great fucking post brother. 8)
Speak more on the protein requirements. Do you think the amount of protein American bodybuilders ingest is too much? How much do you fellas over there ingest? How about your big fellas?
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I'm curious buselmo, what's your take on protein requirements? I guess that the conservative standard is 1.4 to 2.0 grams per kilo of bodyweight. I'm sure nobody will believe this but, my world-class bench press friend maintained ALL of his size and strength while eating not more than 80 protein grams daily, while weighing 275 or so.
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LMAO! Great fucking post brother. 8)
Speak more on the protein requirements. Do you think the amount of protein American bodybuilders ingest is too much? How much do you fellas over there ingest? How about your big fellas?
pretty much ,,yes,,you got those guro aliameni which is small guro that come here and spit rubbish day in day out,,take him and tripe it and you get the raymonds of the world,,what they are is DRUG CONTACT ,,PERSONAL COOKS,,they are cover for the real activity going
gh15 approved
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I'm curious buselmo, what's your take on protein requirements? I guess that the conservative standard is 1.4 to 2.0 grams per kilo of bodyweight. I'm sure nobody will believe this but, my world-class bench press friend maintained ALL of his size and strength while eating not more than 80 protein grams daily, while weighing 275 or so.
I've stated this before in earlier posts as have a couple others that you don't need all this protein. I'm not talking Nasser who says 100gms for his physique, obviously the bigger you get the more you need but I don't think you need 300+gms per day unless you are Kai, Jay, Ronnie, Nasserole.
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so chad nicholls or wtv was ronnie's personal cook ? :D
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yes... for the natural, training and calorie control is the only thing you can do. by calorie control i don't mean your typical chicken breast and brown rice shit. i mean if you eat 1200 cals, you just care about cals (within reason... not eating chunky kit kats and saying you're controlling your calories and shit ... more like beef, eggs, some cereal and bread or shit)... there's little you can do as a natural if you hit your limit after 2 or 3 years... diet won't do shit. training could help about 2-5% if you keep on changing it and stuff like that.
your own body's hormonal production will decide how big you'll get. but in all naturals!!! all of them!!! you will be skinny when you're cut. that's why most of the "naturals" i see are fucking liars.
I competed as a natural once... and i wasn't totally natural either (used M1T 6 months before competing, and used superdrol when i was 6 weeks out til i was 2 weeks out)... competed at 165 lbs and looked like an Ethiopian refugee. wasn't even shredded. i would've probably been 155 lbs if i was. and this was after around 4 years of serious training and dieting and shit.
natural at low body fat will mean that your collar bone sticks out, shoulder will look boney, hip bone showing, and spine shows when you bend over.
you sounded quite bright until you hit out with that line.
just another brainwashed fool i see.
a calorie from a chunky kitkat is no different from a calorie from a slice of bread.
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you sounded quite bright until you hit out with that line.
just another brainwashed fool i see.
a calorie from a chunky kitkat is no different from a calorie from a slice of bread.
Yes, but the protein in the beef and eggs will build muscle on the drugs,
The kit-kats won't.
In addition, eating all that sugar will spike your insulin levels not making your body an ideal arena for fat burning. In addition, eating alot of sugar, make stimulates your appetite, not something you want when dieting...So while, yes a calorie is a calorie, the other affects it has on the body need to be accounted for.
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Yes, but the protein in the beef and eggs will build muscle on the drugs,
The kit-kats won't.
i only eat chunky kitkats after i have met my daily quota of protein.
its really quite simple - if i lose 2lbs a week of fat by eating 2000cals a day which includes 180g of protein.
and today i have met the 180g of protein and still have 260 calories left - i'll use that up eating a chunky kitkat.
what advantage would there be to eating a piece of bread or beef ? assuming 180g of protein is adequate of course. saturated fat is saturated fat, fatty acids and glycogen is fatty acids and glycogen - just because some idiot tells you it isn't doesn't make it so.
how the fuck have i lost so much weight if it can't work ::)
i am also stronger than 90% of getbig. and i'm training natural - explain this miracle ::)
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you sounded quite bright until you hit out with that line.
just another brainwashed fool i see.
a calorie from a chunky kitkat is no different from a calorie from a slice of bread.
i never ever mentioned you in any of my posts... are you that self conscious and that defensive that you think anything anyone says is about you??? do you know what one of my favorite chocolate bars is? chunky caramel kitkat bar... but nooooooooooo ofcourse i'm talking about FP
if i said chocolates instead of "chunky kitkat" would that have made you feel better?
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here's the dudes whose advice i'd listen to here:
the coach - he has muscle and has had abs once in his life, has dieted down
time wescock - has muscle, has abs, sweet moustache, has dieted down
groink - has muscle, probably abs, no moustache
busselmo - doesn't hide behind a computer, is honest about drugs, has dieted down
here's the dudes whose advice i wouldn't wipe my asshole with:
tdongz - look at him
fatpanda - look at him
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i never ever mentioned you in any of my posts... are you that self conscious and that defensive that you think anything anyone says is about you??? do you know what one of my favorite chocolate bars is? chunky caramel kitkat bar... but nooooooooooo ofcourse i'm talking about FP
if i said chocolates instead of "chunky kitkat" would that have made you feel better?
what makes you think i thought you were talking about me in your post ???
you could have said chocolates if you wanted, it wouldn't have been any more correct.
a calorie from chocolate is the same as a calorie from caramel chunky kitkats is the same as a calorie from a pizza.
but nooooooooooooooooooooooo oooo you didn't.
i stand by my initial statement - another brainwashed fool, and very sensitive it seems.
the fact that you paid thousands for simple knowledge like take steroids and fat burners and reduce calories just confirms it.
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what makes you think i thought you were talking about me in your post ???
you could have said chocolates if you wanted, it wouldn't have been any more correct.
a calorie from chocolate is the same as a calorie from caramel chunky kitkats is the same as a calorie from a pizza.
but nooooooooooooooooooooooo oooo you didn't.
i stand by my initial statement - another brainwashed fool, and very sensitive it seems.
the fact that you paid thousands for simple knowledge like take steroids and fat burners and reduce calories just confirms it.
You're acting like a real c u n t right now.
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LMAO! Great fucking post brother. 8)
Speak more on the protein requirements. Do you think the amount of protein American bodybuilders ingest is too much? How much do you fellas over there ingest? How about your big fellas?
you got someone who barely made it through high school at age 20, can't find a job, speech resembles that of a mongol, and you think he can count protein?
I knew a guy who used to work at the gym i go to... he was about 6'7-6'8... when the guy squats as if he's taking a shit, his head at my shoulder level... close to 400 lbs... huge huge guy... i asked him what his main source of protein was... his answer? "potatoes".... that's how dumb these people are... you think they are going to check nutritional facts (most foods here don't have them) and try to calculate his 800 grams of protein he "needs"?
currently i'm on a little less than 1 gram per lb... from all the people i know... 1 gram per lb.
protein is important... just as electricity is to an electronic appliance... but if that appliance is 110 v and you plug it into 220 v, you know what'll happen... same with protein.... i've always felt like shit on 1.5 to 2 gr per lb... i'm on 180 grams per day now... never felt such energy! no lethargy, no shit... and i'm getting the best results of my life.
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You're acting like a real c u n t right now.
i answered his post with the same tone as he answered mine.
if you don't see that or like that fuck you too.
i'm talking about scentific facts, i'm talking about peer reviewed studies proving that 90% of the stuff that's accepted as fact here is bullshit.
you don't have to like it, but people shouldn't melt down at the first sign of disagreement and stick their head in the sand about it.
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Serious question for all the "clean contest prep diet" fellas... If this "clean diet" is so essential for contest prep, then how do you explain the FACT that I was able to hit a true sub-6 and stay there for 3 months straight eating cheeseburgers, pizza, french fries, coke, pepsi, etc? And yes, I was an am completely natural
That's not the issue, the issue is that Tbombz and GH15 said is WAS NECESSARY to have junk food, my argument is that it not necessary but counter productive. Saying someone HAS to have junk food is a weak excuse for not having discipline and a weak work ethic. If you insist on having junk food have it for psychological reasons not because you think "it's necessary to maintain muscle mass".
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if the "diet guru" tells you to eat 6 meals a day, 70 grams of protein per meal, tries to time your carbs and fats and shit and all that shit and tell you it's the diet that matters!!! don't cheat on your diet ever!! that's the secret!!... well, then, he's full of shit...
i've spend thousands... yes... thousands of dollars on gurus (some of them pretty well known here) and i can tell you that they are all scam artists...
if the guru doesn't sound like this:
"ok... i want you to take 50 mcg of t3, increase it every 2 weeks by 25 mcg... start your clen at 80 mcg and add 20 mcg every 3 days til you hit 200 mcg... start at a tab of ephedrine per day and increase 1 tab every week til you hit 3 tabs in the morning, and 3 in the afternoon... take tren and masteron at 1 ml eod, after 4 weeks make them ed. 1000 mg eq per week... 1 ml prop eod... 4-8 iu gh per day before you sleep"
and then you ask..
"hey... what about the diet?"
and he says "oh... yeah... eat protein... lay off the carbs... and starve"
then THAT is a guru....
the rest are liars who try to hide the drug use by discussing diet 99% of the time and then tell you "oh, and if you feel it is neccessary... i'd want you to add some T3, clen, tren, masteron, DNP, GH, and ephedrine... not neccessary at all... but it'll help... it speeds up results just a bit" knowing that you'd say "YES! OFCOURSE!"
after the results i've been getting week after week on depending more on drugs and training, and less on diet... i'd say the game is
70% drugs
28% training
2% diet
whoever tells you otherwise is a liar scam artist, or stupid
Are you sure? I think it is more like
70% drugs
28% diet
2% training
I can site MANY bodybuilders (top level amateurs and pros) some that i know fairly well who train like pure fucking garbage and who are big and in shape. I think diet has ALOT more weight then what you are giving it. I've seen people doing cable flys with 35lbs who grow just fine. I never really grow until i start dieting and my meals are in line and everything is consistent.
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That's not the issue, the issue is that Tbombz and GH15 said is WAS NECESSARY to have junk food, my argument is that it not necessary but counter productive. Saying someone HAS to have junk food is a weak excuse for not having discipline and a weak work ethic. If you insist on having junk food have it for psychological reasons not because you think "it's necessary to maintain muscle mass".
I agree... i think junk food in the offseason for growing is good because sometimes its hard to get those extra calories in but on a diet it is not neccesary. Consistency is best for dieting. If you want to maintain musclemass take more drugs... always worked for me. I never lost muscle from a diet... even when i dieted naturally.
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food is necessary.
At the end of the day its all just aminos, fatty acids and glycogen.
junk food / clean food is just marketing terms.
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That's not the issue, the issue is that Tbombz and GH15 said is WAS NECESSARY to have junk food, my argument is that it not necessary but counter productive. Saying someone HAS to have junk food is a weak excuse for not having discipline and a weak work ethic. If you insist on having junk food have it for psychological reasons not because you think "it's necessary to maintain muscle mass".
100% truth.
Funny story- I was talking to a top 3 female Olympia competitor last month and she said that a certain *Big name nutrition guru* had his girls eat potato ships for one of their meals. I told her that in no way at all were fried, processed , refined foods NECESSARY to get lean and ripped.
"Yeah But he has trained so and so etc etc."
LOL I don't give a shit! It is NEVER good to eat Junk food - ever- if you need more kcals then eat MORE nutritious food.
For some reason people cling to this myth that filthy junk food actually helps them in some way. Fukin insanity.
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I eat some junk food because it tastes good, simple.
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100% truth.
Funny story- I was talking to a top 3 female Olympia competitor last month and she said that a certain *Big name nutrition guru* had his girls eat potato ships for one of their meals. I told her that in no way at all were fried, processed , refined foods NECESSARY to get lean and ripped.
"Yeah But he has trained so and so etc etc."
LOL I don't give a shit! It is NEVER good to eat Junk food - ever- if you need more kcals then eat MORE nutritious food.
For some reason people cling to this myth that filthy junk food actually helps them in some way. Fukin insanity.
the insanity is thinking 'junk food' is somehow different from 'clean food'.
the myth that clean foods are better for dieting is because of the fear of insulin, thinking that it stops fat burning, and makes people hungrier more often as levels plummet from meal to meal.
however insulin has beneficial effects on muscle synthesis and breakdown, it also increases meal saticity. why would you try to lower it when science has shown that insulin means nothing when it comes to losing fat - its calories that matter ???
proof:
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I wasn't saying that junk food is necessary, I'm just saying that the idea that one MUST eat clean to get ripped is complete and utter bullshit. In fact, I was advised by Bob Lorimer (yes, that's right the son of Jim Lorimer and the man in charge of the Arnold Classic) to eat "clean" (chicken breasts, raw vegtables, etc) and I did drop from 9% to 7% but I had to lose 10 fucking pounds to do so and my strength plummented. So I lost roughly 7 lean pounds for 3 fat pounds. Later on, I went from sub-8 to sub-6 and I lost 6 pounds doing so 3 lean pounds to 3 pounds of fat. So on the "clean" diet I lost over 2 pounds of muscle for each fat pound lost, and on the cheeseburger, pizza diet I lost at a one to one ratio. Remember fellas, as you get leaner and leaner it's MUCH harder to keep muscle while losing fat. Just ask God about this
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if the "diet guru" tells you to eat 6 meals a day, 70 grams of protein per meal, tries to time your carbs and fats and shit and all that shit and tell you it's the diet that matters!!! don't cheat on your diet ever!! that's the secret!!... well, then, he's full of shit...
i've spend thousands... yes... thousands of dollars on gurus (some of them pretty well known here) and i can tell you that they are all scam artists...
if the guru doesn't sound like this:
"ok... i want you to take 50 mcg of t3, increase it every 2 weeks by 25 mcg... start your clen at 80 mcg and add 20 mcg every 3 days til you hit 200 mcg... start at a tab of ephedrine per day and increase 1 tab every week til you hit 3 tabs in the morning, and 3 in the afternoon... take tren and masteron at 1 ml eod, after 4 weeks make them ed. 1000 mg eq per week... 1 ml prop eod... 4-8 iu gh per day before you sleep"
and then you ask..
"hey... what about the diet?"
and he says "oh... yeah... eat protein... lay off the carbs... and starve"
then THAT is a guru....
the rest are liars who try to hide the drug use by discussing diet 99% of the time and then tell you "oh, and if you feel it is neccessary... i'd want you to add some T3, clen, tren, masteron, DNP, GH, and ephedrine... not neccessary at all... but it'll help... it speeds up results just a bit" knowing that you'd say "YES! OFCOURSE!"
after the results i've been getting week after week on depending more on drugs and training, and less on diet... i'd say the game is
70% drugs
28% training
2% diet
whoever tells you otherwise is a liar scam artist, or stupid
Hahahaa Buselmo layin down th smack. ;D
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You're acting like a real c u n t right now.
now!?
the guy is the biggest fuking stooge on this site.
looks like a bag of shit, but knows everything there is to know about, well, everything.
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Yes, but the protein in the beef and eggs will build muscle on the drugs,
The kit-kats won't.
In addition, eating all that sugar will spike your insulin levels not making your body an ideal arena for fat burning. In addition, eating alot of sugar, make stimulates your appetite, not something you want when dieting...So while, yes a calorie is a calorie, the other affects it has on the body need to be accounted for.
Perfect explanation/rebuttal to Pandas bullshit Wiggs,but unfortunately he will more than likely still not be able to grasp it!! :(
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Perfect explanation/rebuttal to Pandas bullshit Wiggs,but unfortunately he will more than likely still not be able to grasp it!! :(
I'm not going to get into 50 page argument over it. He can do what he does and I'll do what I do.
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If everyone in this threads being honest about what they are posting, then I think we can only come to one conclusion : every bodybuilder has to find what works for them personally.
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the insanity is thinking 'junk food' is somehow different from 'clean food'.
the myth that clean foods are better for dieting is because of the fear of insulin, thinking that it stops fat burning, and makes people hungrier more often as levels plummet from meal to meal.
however insulin has beneficial effects on muscle synthesis and breakdown, it also increases meal saticity. why would you try to lower it when science has shown that insulin means nothing when it comes to losing fat - its calories that matter ???
proof:
the "proof" is in the 75lbs of pudding around your midsection, chief.....
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Panda if you knew anything about dieting you could be ripped in 12 weeks max. Trey Brewer did it, you can too! Face it, you are lost!
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the insanity is thinking 'junk food' is somehow different from 'clean food'.
the myth that clean foods are better for dieting is because of the fear of insulin, thinking that it stops fat burning, and makes people hungrier more often as levels plummet from meal to meal.
however insulin has beneficial effects on muscle synthesis and breakdown, it also increases meal saticity. why would you try to lower it when science has shown that insulin means nothing when it comes to losing fat - its calories that matter ???
proof:
don't make me pinch your love handles, you loveable fat tub of shit!
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Sorry Panda, but Heavy-Hitter does have a pretty good point.
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Panda if you knew anything about dieting you could be ripped in 12 weeks max. Trey Brewer did it, you can too! Face it, you are lost!
::) ah the old you should look like you know what you are talking about fall back ::)
i assume everyone on this thread is ripped to the bone then ? and never been overweight ? ::)
yes i could get ripped in 12 weeks if i took the t3, gh, clen, eca, dnp and streoids he took.
i could also do it naturally if i wanted to lose every ounce of strength and muscle i have.
but i'm happy losing 2-3 lbs a week naturally thank you while you all continue to scratch your heads at how it is possible to lose fat while eating 'junk food' ::)
lots of guys here simply cannot handle the truth it seems.
again can anyone explain to me how eating baked potatoes is different than eating french fries when calories are controlled ???
can anyone explain how the results of each of those metabolic ward studies in the list i posted is possible if according to all of you clean foods are better ???
lots of blow hards on this site, all talk, all knowing, always correct because they once got ripped taking boatloads of gear and ate bland foods, or heard about guys getting ripped that way.
of course all these peer reviewed studies i'm talking about could all be wrong ::)
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"of course all these peer reviewed studies i'm talking about could all be wrong"]
BINGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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the insanity is thinking 'junk food' is somehow different from 'clean food'.
the myth that clean foods are better for dieting is because of the fear of insulin, thinking that it stops fat burning, and makes people hungrier more often as levels plummet from meal to meal.
however insulin has beneficial effects on muscle synthesis and breakdown, it also increases meal saticity. why would you try to lower it when science has shown that insulin means nothing when it comes to losing fat - its calories that matter ???
proof:
Nutrient partioning as well as fat burning is far greater when eating low gi, fresh, healthy nutritious foods.
I don't give a shit what a silly test by nerds in lab coats demonstrates- 300 kcals of wild salmon and fresh salad is far more effective at improving a body composition shift than 300kcals of ice cream.
Trust me- if YOUR way was better- I would use it.
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Nutrient partioning as well as fat burning is far greater when eating low gi, fresh, healthy nutritious foods.
I don't give a shit what a silly test by nerds in lab coats demonstrates- 300 kcals of wild salmon and fresh salad is far more effective at improving a body composition shift than 300kcals of ice cream.
Trust me- if YOUR way was better- I would use it.
i think you're jealous of his physique.
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Nutrient partioning as well as fat burning is far greater when eating low gi, fresh, healthy nutritious foods.
I don't give a shit what a silly test by nerds in lab coats demonstrates- 300 kcals of wild salmon and fresh salad is far more effective at improving a body composition shift than 300kcals of ice cream.
Trust me- if YOUR way was better- I would use it.
literally hundreds of studies on pre/post workout nutrition say different.
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::) ah the old you should look like you know what you are talking about fall back ::)
i assume everyone on this thread is ripped to the bone then ? and never been overweight ? ::)
yes i could get ripped in 12 weeks if i took the t3, gh, clen, eca, dnp and streoids he took.
i could also do it naturally if i wanted to lose every ounce of strength and muscle i have.
but i'm happy losing 2-3 lbs a week naturally thank you while you all continue to scratch your heads at how it is possible to lose fat while eating 'junk food' ::)
lots of guys here simply cannot handle the truth it seems.
again can anyone explain to me how eating baked potatoes is different than eating french fries when calories are controlled ???
can anyone explain how the results of each of those metabolic ward studies in the list i posted is possible if according to all of you clean foods are better ???
lots of blow hards on this site, all talk, all knowing, always correct because they once got ripped taking boatloads of gear and ate bland foods, or heard about guys getting ripped that way.
of course all these peer reviewed studies i'm talking about could all be wrong ::)
The old me? Fall back?? What???
Bro, I'm not trying to insult you but I thought the same thing years ago, that I knew what I was doing and I didn't. Let me tell you somethings that will help you on your journey bro. The more over weight you are the harder it is to cut with carbs, especially fast acting carbs. When you are fatter your body tends to release more insulin, eating high glycemic carbs when overweight and while calorie deficit will cause high insulin spikes which can cause your body to shift to burning muscle since the release of fatty acids under high insulin spikes will be more difficult. Just because you are losing 3lbs of weight doesn't mean anything if you just turn out to be a smaller version of yourself. I would suggest you hire someone who has done this before and get you out of the guess work, I know your motivated and think you have the answers but you clearly don't and the only thing worse than someone who has no idea what they are doing, is someone who has no idea what they are doing and carries it with much gusto and enthusiasm as you do.
Like I said you can find someone to hire, there's plenty, you can get advice from people who have been there done that, i.e. Alex Azarian (an endo who can come in peeled). Someone who can take the guess work out for you. You will eventually find out how hungry you have to be to get to a certain body fat. Yes, most peope while dieting think the second they are hungry they have to pound food or they will lose muscle, that is the furthest thing from the truth!!! You also have to learn how much cardio effects you, and what foods agree with you best. Trust me bro, your on the wrong start, stop listening to wherever your science comes from and start listening to the "been there done that" people.
BTW, cat out of the bag here. Most guys you see who are extremely ripped with abs year round are genetically blessed with a good metabolism, or are on a good amount of T-3 and GH year round. Most people have very little control over themselves when it comes to eating clean year round.
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::) ah the old you should look like you know what you are talking about fall back ::)
i assume everyone on this thread is ripped to the bone then ? and never been overweight ? ::)
yes i could get ripped in 12 weeks if i took the t3, gh, clen, eca, dnp and streoids he took.
i could also do it naturally if i wanted to lose every ounce of strength and muscle i have.
but i'm happy losing 2-3 lbs a week naturally thank you while you all continue to scratch your heads at how it is possible to lose fat while eating 'junk food' ::)
lots of guys here simply cannot handle the truth it seems.
again can anyone explain to me how eating baked potatoes is different than eating french fries when calories are controlled ???
can anyone explain how the results of each of those metabolic ward studies in the list i posted is possible if according to all of you clean foods are better ???
lots of blow hards on this site, all talk, all knowing, always correct because they once got ripped taking boatloads of gear and ate bland foods, or heard about guys getting ripped that way.
of course all these peer reviewed studies i'm talking about could all be wrong ::)
BTW, he did it in 8 weeks, I gave you 4 exta weeks because you are not trying to get to 4% bodyfat like him. You are not on DNP, and GH like him. So 20% to to a lean 8-10% in 12 weeks!!! Bro you don't need any drugs! Just knowledge and will power!
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heavy hitter you posts are utter rambling nonsense.
insulin does not matter calories do.
you said could i get ripped in 12 weeks? not could you get to 10% in 12 weeks - if you are going to use fantasy scenarios to debate me at least stick to the same one ::) 10% and ripped is very different.
and perhaps you cannot comprehend but i said yes i could get ripped naturally in 12 weeks, let alone to 10%. however i would lose a ton of muscle and strength if doing it naturally.
what is your point in telling me a bodybuilder can take tons of drugs and get ripped ??? you think i do not know that ?
im not competing, therefore i'm not under the clock to get ripped So i'm happy to lose 2-3 lbs a week eating tasty food. As i have been doing.
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heavy hitter you posts are utter rambling nonsense.
insulin does not matter calories do.
you said could i get ripped in 12 weeks? not could you get to 10% in 12 weeks - if you are going to use fantasy scenarios to debate me at least stick to the same one ::) 10% and ripped is very different.
and perhaps you cannot comprehend but i said yes i could get ripped naturally in 12 weeks, let alone to 10%. however i would lose a ton of muscle and strength if doing it naturally.
what is your point in telling me a bodybuilder can take tons of drugs and get ripped ??? you think i do not know that ?
im not competing, therefore i'm not under the clock to get ripped So i'm happy to lose 2-3 lbs a week eating tasty food. As i have been doing.
I really don't care what you do, because you will soon learn you took a much longer route. Oh you will see you are still heavy and fat so the pounds come off easy for now, but if you are hoping for a six pack any time soon or abs, you will have to learn discipline quick.
I only have a problem with you because you come here acting you know what the hell you are talking about, looking at your pics and seeing the advice you give is like listening to OJ Simpson giving a lesson on anger management.
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literally hundreds of studies on pre/post workout nutrition say different.
Sorry big guy, I'm not buy'n it. ;D
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I really don't care what you do, because you will soon learn you took a much longer route. Oh you will see you are still heavy and fat so the pounds come off easy for now, but if you are hoping for a six pack any time soon or abs, you will have to learn discipline quick.
I only have a problem with you because you come here acting you know what the hell you are talking about, looking at your pics and seeing the advice you give is like listening to OJ Simpson giving a lesson on anger management.
it's clear you are a fool.
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If everyone in this threads being honest about what they are posting, then I think we can only come to one conclusion : every bodybuilder has to find what works for them personally.
Good post.
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it's clear you are a fool.
Hahah. Its clear YOU'RE the one thats a fool.
Lets see, listen to studies that have yet to produce someone who looks like a bodybuilder,
OR
People who actually ARE bodybuilders?
Hmmm...
The most awesome part is that your "studies" are done by the same people who say that GH doesnt have any effect on muscle building.
Go talk to Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman and see if they agree with the lab rats.
Lets let the scientists make the drugs shall we, and let the bodybuilders figure out which ones work, cause its pretty clear in THIS CASE that the scientists are WRONG. (Since at one point science also said the earth was flat, and that the sun revolved around the earth, etc)
::)
When are you going to let go of your case studies, and realize that in certain cases, what works in the real world counts for more than controlled studies ever do?
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unbelievable ::)
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unbelievable ::)
;D
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unbelievable ::)
Please die, please.
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Hahah. Its clear YOU'RE the one thats a fool.
Lets see, listen to studies that have yet to produce someone who looks like a bodybuilder,
OR
People who actually ARE bodybuilders?
Hmmm...
The most awesome part is that your "studies" are done by the same people who say that GH doesnt have any effect on muscle building.
Go talk to Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman and see if they agree with the lab rats.
Lets let the scientists make the drugs shall we, and let the bodybuilders figure out which ones work, cause its pretty clear in THIS CASE that the scientists are WRONG. (Since at one point science also said the earth was flat, and that the sun revolved around the earth, etc)
::)
When are you going to let go of your case studies, and realize that in certain cases, what works in the real world counts for more than controlled studies ever do?
Don't argue with this idiot, you will never convince him otherwise it's a waste of time. People will always believe in stuidies that suit their lifestyle most, if someones lifestyle doesn't want to allow them to get out of their comfort zone, they will use that study to backup their evidence.
So Panda when is your new book coming out? "How To Get Shredded By Eating Chunky Kit Kat Bars"? Your sitting on a gold mine here bro!
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i swear- there are some things that happen on this site that put me at a loss for words
now excuse me while I go take driving lessons with Stevie Wonder
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i swear- there are some things that happen on this site that put me at a loss for words
now excuse me while I go take driving lessons with Stevie Wonder
Stevie gives great haircuts too! He once read a book on cosmetology in braille.
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unbelievable ::)
Unbelievable that your excuse for dieting with candy bars is the same kind of case studies that came to the conclusion that steroids didn't increase muscle mass.
Real world experience>controlled scientific tests in situations like these.
But it doesn't really matter does it, the only reason you're so adamant about them is because it gives you an excuse to continue the same lazy fat ass undisciplined lifestyle that made you the way you are, cause, you know, stopping eating the shot that made you a fat slob is too much too handle, it's not eating shit is the reason you look the way you do right?
I mean you shouldn't have to actually CHANGE anything to change the way you look right?
Surely not! Cause that would just be too hard.
Wait... It couldnt be that the reason you look the way you do is because you had no willpower to stop yourself from eating all that shit in the first place?!
Can't be! Say it ain't so!!! ::) :o
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Louis Farakhann is teaching a class on Jewish Tolerance
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Louis Farakhann is teaching a class on Jewish Tolerance
I lold
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So Panda when is your new book coming out? "How To Get Shredded By Eating Chunky Kit Kat Bars"? Your sitting on a gold mine here bro!
June, i'll send you a signed copy of the pop up edition.
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Unbelievable that your excuse for dieting with candy bars is the same kind of case studies that came to the conclusion that steroids didn't increase muscle mass.
Real world experience>controlled scientific tests in situations like these.
But it doesn't really matter does it, the only reason you're so adamant about them is because it gives you an excuse to continue the same lazy fat ass undisciplined lifestyle that made you the way you are, cause, you know, stopping eating the shot that made you a fat slob is too much too handle, it's not eating shit is the reason you look the way you do right?
I mean you shouldn't have to actually CHANGE anything to change the way you look right?
Surely not! Cause that would just be too hard.
Wait... It couldnt be that the reason you look the way you do is because you had no willpower to stop yourself from eating all that shit in the first place?!
Can't be! Say it ain't so!!! ::) :o
real world experience ? there have been plenty of people who have gotten ripped eating 'junk food' the ghetto's are full of them, wavelength, adonis, dj here. i've lost 39lbs so far eating junk + study after study proves calories are all that matter.
yet because a few juiced to the gills bodybuilders claim you need to eat clean and its impossible to get ripped otherwise - you believe it::) -
yes despite the real world proof and scientific proof - you still believe it.
priceless.
p.s. aren't you the guy who was 300lbs at one point ::)
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I can't take it anymore...it's like trying to reason with a Liberal, it just ain't gonna happen :-\!
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real world experience ? there have been plenty of people who have gotten ripped eating 'junk food' the ghetto's are full of them, wavelength, adonis, dj here. i've lost 39lbs so far eating junk + study after study proves calories are all that matter.
yet because a few juiced to the gills bodybuilders claim you need to eat clean and its impossible to get ripped otherwise - you believe it::) -
yes despite the real world proof and scientific proof - you still believe it.
priceless.
p.s. aren't you the guy who was 300lbs at one point ::)
God bless the hearts of all the special education teachers in America. These folks need a raise for the job they do, and the stress they put up with. :)
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it's like trying to reason with a Liberal,
Or a believer.
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you all do realize that this is all a HUGE vortex that no one ever escapes, right?
this Vortex is as almost as huge as Fat panda's ass
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real world experience ? there have been plenty of people who have gotten ripped eating 'junk food' the ghetto's are full of them, wavelength, adonis, dj here. i've lost 39lbs so far eating junk + study after study proves calories are all that matter.
yet because a few juiced to the gills bodybuilders claim you need to eat clean and its impossible to get ripped otherwise - you believe it::) -
yes despite the real world proof and scientific proof - you still believe it.
priceless.
p.s. aren't you the guy who was 300lbs at one point ::)
Yep,.. I was,.. I got that fat from too many video games when I was growing up, I was fat from the time I was 7 until I was 18, then I had enough of being a fat lazy slob, and got into BB and tried every diet there was, from atkins to the BB diet, yes even to your diet.
Let me tell you something, when I dieted like youre preaching, I felt like shit, I looked like shit (held water, bloated even more than normal), and was hungry 24/7. When I accepted I was going to have to be uncomfortable to reach my goals, I started eating a typical BB diet of chicken breast/steak/oatmeal/potatoes, the fat started falling off, I felt great, I looked better, tons of energy, still hungry but NOTHING like I was.
So yes, Ive tried all different ways to lose weight. People dont diet like that because its fun, and it tastes good, they do it because it works and is the most efficient way of doing it to reach their goals.
If your way was the best, there would be no one eating a BB diet. It wouldnt exist. Youre not something special you know, everything you have tried someone else has too, and their is a reason people diet the way they do.
But whatever, it doesnt matter, you already have it in your mind that for some reason youre different, that youre going to get ripped eating the very shit that turned you into a fat turd in the first place, so go ahead and keep going slugger, its not like anything anyone else says is going to change shit.
Oh, and all youre real world examples are 140-160 lbs. Great examples there sparky. ::)
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Yes Che, that's right. Like a non-believer explaining how everything came to be.
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Goddamnit fellas! Quite talking about all of this diet horseshit and go train your asses off! HARD AND CONSISTANT TRAINING COVERS A MULTITUDE OF "DIETING SINS" AND IT IS THE TRUMP CARD FOR NATURAL TRAINERS! P.S. I can't talk about drug assisted athletes, since that isn't where my experience is ;D
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Goddamnit fellas! Quite talking about all of this diet horseshit and go train your asses off! HARD AND CONSISTANT TRAINING COVERS A MULTITUDE OF "DIETING SINS" AND IT IS THE TRUMP CARD FOR NATURAL TRAINERS! P.S. I can't talk about drug assisted athletes, since that isn't where my experience is ;D
This is truth also. To a point.
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Yep,.. I was,.. I got that fat from too many video games when I was growing up, I was fat from the time I was 7 until I was 18, then I had enough of being a fat lazy slob, and got into BB and tried every diet there was, from atkins to the BB diet, yes even to your diet.
Let me tell you something, when I dieted like youre preaching, I felt like shit, I looked like shit (held water, bloated even more than normal), and was hungry 24/7. When I accepted I was going to have to be uncomfortable to reach my goals, I started eating a typical BB diet of chicken breast/steak/oatmeal/potatoes, the fat started falling off, I felt great, I looked better, tons of energy, still hungry but NOTHING like I was.
So yes, Ive tried all different ways to lose weight. People dont diet like that because its fun, and it tastes good, they do it because it works and is the most efficient way of doing it to reach their goals.
If your way was the best, there would be no one eating a BB diet. It wouldnt exist. Youre not something special you know, everything you have tried someone else has too, and their is a reason people diet the way they do.
But whatever, it doesnt matter, you already have it in your mind that for some reason youre different, that youre going to get ripped eating the very shit that turned you into a fat turd in the first place, so go ahead and keep going slugger, its not like anything anyone else says is going to change shit.
Oh, and all youre real world examples are 140-160 lbs. Great examples there sparky. ::)
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Yup, dont like what is said, resort to calling BS, on what? That I was a fat fuck and lost 100 lbs? Not like Im trying to make everyone think Im some sort of dieting/nutrition/drug guru that has this new way to diet that NO ONE has ever figured out before, who in reality turns out to be a hideously obese fat fuck with no touch of reality.
That just shows how sad you really are.
Whatever tons of fun, you have NO idea what youre going to look like IF you ever get that fat off, luckily I did it slow enough not to have a lot of loose skin, then again, I never had 1/4 of the gut you did.
Good luck with that. ;)
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Goddamnit fellas! Quite talking about all of this diet horseshit and go train your asses off! HARD AND CONSISTANT TRAINING COVERS A MULTITUDE OF "DIETING SINS" AND IT IS THE TRUMP CARD FOR NATURAL TRAINERS! P.S. I can't talk about drug assisted athletes, since that isn't where my experience is ;D
I totally disagree
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Yup, dont like what is said, resort to calling BS, on what? That I was a fat fuck and lost 100 lbs? Not like Im trying to make everyone think Im some sort of dieting/nutrition/drug guru that has this new way to diet that NO ONE has ever figured out before, who in reality turns out to be a hideously obese fat fuck with no touch of reality.
That just shows how sad you really are.
Whatever tons of fun, you have NO idea what youre going to look like IF you ever get that fat off, luckily I did it slow enough not to have a lot of loose skin, then again, I never had 1/4 of the gut you did.
Good luck with that. ;)
hahahahaha sure thing mr disney.
any pics to prove these fairytale claims.
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I can prove I have clients that lost almost 100lbs doing it my way.
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I can prove I have clients that lost almost 100lbs doing it my way.
post pics coach - i'd be interested in seeing them.
its nothing that can't be done, its just shockwave makes these claims that because he lost 100lbs by eating bland food its impossible for anyone else to do it any other way - which even you know is bullshit.
yet he will not post 1 single pic backing up that he looks good now despite losing 100lbs ::)
if you lose 100lbs and still are too ashamed to post a pic...........
also he claims playing video games made him 300lbs - i don't know where to begin owning this lying retarded tit.
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hahahahaha sure thing mr disney.
any pics to prove these fairytale claims.
(http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/pinocchio1.gif)
HAHAHA!!!
You know someone has nothing left to argue, when their only rebuttal is to call bullshit on 100lb loss over 2 years.
Only reason is cause what I have ACTUALLY accomplished (and the way I did it) flies in the face of what YOURE trying to do (and the way youre doing it).
Like I said Chunk, believe whatever you want, reality doesnt care. Once you have actually done it, then come talk to me and well discuss your methods, because Ive already tried them all and accomplished the project youve undertaken. Just dont pussy out, its not like it affects anyone but yourself.
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post pics coach - i'd be interested in seeing them.
its nothing that can't be done, its just shockwave makes these claims that because he lost 100lbs by eating bland food its impossible for anyone else to do it any other way - which even you know is bullshit.
yet he will not post 1 single pic backing up that he looks good now despite losing 100lbs ::)
if you lose 100lbs and still are too ashamed to post a pic...........
also he claims playing video games made him 300lbs - i don't know where to begin owning this lying retarded tit.
Really?
Youre going to try and claim that because I ate too much and did too little (video games) that means Im a liar?
Lol. And good luck, the only reason I dont post a pic is too piss you off, I know youre whole shtick, try and goad someone into posting a pic, then when they do and they look better than you, talk shit or/discredit it in any way you can. So I get a happy sort of plearsure in denieing you your fun.
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looks like another 20+ page bandwidth waster thanks to FatPiehole
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Really?
Youre going to try and claim that because I ate too much and did too little (video games) that means Im a liar?
Lol. And good luck, the only reason I dont post a pic is too piss you off, I know youre whole shtick, try and goad someone into posting a pic, then when they do and they look better than you, talk shit or/discredit it in any way you can. So I get a happy sort of plearsure in denieing you your fun.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha
(http://www.twinsdays.org/geauga_lake/surprise.gif)
(http://akalol.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/elmo_surprise-1756.jpg)
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So I'm curious che ma man, what do you disagree with exactly? My major point is that HARD TRAINING COVERS A MULTITUDE OF DIETING SINS, so do you disagree that hard and consistant training doesn't do this? Also, I must add that it's MUCH BETTER to have about one-third of your diet to be composed of "junk food" and when I say "junk food" I'm talking mainly about fried and fatty foods, not sweet and sugary ones.
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
(http://www.twinsdays.org/geauga_lake/surprise.gif)
(http://akalol.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/elmo_surprise-1756.jpg)
Well Panda, fuck it, Ill let you goad me into it, Im waiting to hear your excuses? FYI I never claimed you couldnt lose WEIGHT on your diet, I said it was innefficient, made me feel and look like shit, and made me hungry. Countdown to excuses.
FYI I never claimed to be huge, ripped, anything I wasnt. I claimed 210-220lb @ around 6'2" (Military measured me @ 6'1.5", docs office at nearly 6'3") 16-19% BF Lost 100lbs, down from 310.
Lowest I got was 204lbs in the Marine Corp.
This is when I had just got out of the military. Close to the smallest Ive ever been, not the best shape. Just a single F you pic.
So now Panda, still calling me a liar?
Oh wait, let me guess, you carry more muscle than I do and youre going to look SOOOO much better when you accomplish what I already have?
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post pics coach - i'd be interested in seeing them.
No one should ever post any pics of any other people on here but themselves (and even then if you have admitted to certain things, I wouldn't post a face pic). The way people on this board take pics. and photo shop them with dildos in their mouths, he would be a fool to post a pic. of his clients on this board.
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Well Panda, fuck it, Ill let you goad me into it, Im waiting to hear your excuses? FYI I never claimed you couldnt lose WEIGHT on your diet, I said it was innefficient, made me feel and look like shit, and made me hungry. Countdown to excuses.
FYI I never claimed to be huge, ripped, anything I wasnt. I claimed 210-220lb @ around 6'2" (Military measured me @ 6'1.5", docs office at nearly 6'3") 16-19% BF Lost 100lbs, down from 310.
Lowest I got was 204lbs in the Marine Corp.
This is when I had just got out of the military. Close to the smallest Ive ever been, not the best shape. Just a single F you pic.
So now Panda, still calling me a liar?
Oh wait, let me guess, you carry more muscle than I do and youre going to look SOOOO much better when you accomplish what I already have?
pic of a twink that may or may not be you.
post a recent pic with a card saying i'm shockwave.
p.s. here is my recent pic ::)
(http://s1.hubimg.com/u/1013792_f520.jpg)
see what i did there.
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hahahahaha sure thing mr disney.
any pics to prove these fairytale claims.
(http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/pinocchio1.gif)
You are calling him a liar because he claims to have lost 100lbs? I guess with the way you diet it seems impossible, but you are the only person on this board who would doubt someones weight loss story without pics. It's not really good for someones ego to say they use to be over 100lbs overweight you tard!
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You are calling him a liar because he claims to have lost 100lbs? I guess with the way you diet it seems impossible, but you are the only person on this board who would doubt someones weight loss story without pics. It's not really good for someones ego to say they use to be over 100lbs overweight you tard!
Then I post a pic, and hes still calling bullshit.
Lolz.
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I see fagpanda spent the day being pwned again while living in denial posting medical studies that don't apply to anyone other than the volunteer lab rats they were conducted on.
Good job getbig!!
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You are calling him a liar because he claims to have lost 100lbs? I guess with the way you diet it seems impossible, but you are the only person on this board who would doubt someones weight loss story without pics. It's not really good for someones ego to say they use to be over 100lbs overweight you tard!
his entire story is a lie. i know this because if he ate like me 'anything he liked' while controlling calories he would have lost weight.
its a law of thermodynamics.
yet he claims eating this way made him look and feel like shit ::)
i posted peer reviewed metabolic ward studies that showed no difference in fat loss when calories are equal yet he knows better ::)
you must be one of those dumb gym rate types that believe anything your gym bro's tell you. ::)
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I see fagpanda spent the day being pwned again while living in denial posting medical studies that don't apply to anyone other than the volunteer lab rats they were conducted on.
Good job getbig!!
hahahahaha yes medical science only applies to lab rats - proven by the total failure of medicine throughout the world...... ::)
chaos once again showing his brain cell at full capacity.
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his entire story is a lie. i know this because if he ate like me 'anything he liked' while controlling calories he would have lost weight.
its a law of thermodynamics.
yet he claims eating this way made him look and feel like shit ::)
i posted peer reviewed metabolic ward studies that showed no difference in fat loss when calories are equal yet he knows better ::)
you must be one of those dumb gym rate types that believe anything your gym bro's tell you. ::)
The only one who lies here is YOU homo, you call bullshit cause you dont like my REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE doesnt match up with what YOU want to believe.
Whatever, I enjoy making you look like an idiot.
FYI, the tat is on my left arm, in case youre too stupid to realize the other pic was taken in a mirror.
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5312/fatpandpwnd.jpg)
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his entire story is a lie. i know this because if he ate like me 'anything he liked' while controlling calories he would have lost weight.
its a law of thermodynamics.
yet he claims eating this way made him look and feel like shit ::)
i posted peer reviewed metabolic ward studies that showed no difference in fat loss when calories are equal yet he knows better ::)
you must be one of those dumb gym rate types that believe anything your gym bro's tell you. ::)
I did the same thing, controlled calories on junk when I turned 20. I lost a ton of weight and looked like a broom stick with a gut. I dieted on candy bars with salad, and pepsi with salad!! hahah, no joke!!! Why, because until I didn't lose fat the right way, sugary carbs still affected me, it would not let that stubborn gun fat leave no matter what I did. Chris Aceto once said something and it is sooooo true, especially in my case. When your lean bad carbs don't act like bad carbs, when you are fat, you have to keep an eye on the type of carbs you eat. You haven't gotten to that point yet, once yo do you may realize that losing lbs is not the same as losing fat. You will look like a balloon that deflated, still round but smaller, or a big shirt that was put in a drier, smaller, but still big in all the wrong places.
Damn it! I swear I wouldn't post on this anymore! :-X
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I did the same thing, controlled calories on junk when I turned 20. I lost a ton of weight and looked like a broom stick with a gut. I dieted on candy bars with salad, and pepsi with salad!! hahah, no joke!!! Why, because until I didn't lose fat the right way, sugary carbs still affected me, it would not let that stubborn gun fat leave no matter what I did. Chris Aceto once said something and it is sooooo true, especially in my case. When your lean bad carbs don't act like bad carbs, when you are fat, you have to keep an eye on the type of carbs you eat. You haven't gotten to that point yet, once yo do you may realize that losing lbs is not the same as losing fat. You will look like a balloon that deflated, still round but smaller, or a big shirt that was put in a drier, smaller, but still big in all the wrong places.
Damn it! I swear I wouldn't post on this anymore! :-X
Its like arguing with a wall.
Your experience doesnt matter, hell just say youre full of shit if youre experience differs from his theory.
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The only one who lies here is YOU homo, you call bullshit cause you dont like my REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE doesnt match up with what YOU want to believe.
Whatever, I enjoy making you look like an idiot.
FYI, the tat is on my left arm, in case youre too stupid to realize the other pic was taken in a mirror.
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5312/fatpandpwnd.jpg)
oh brother ::)
sure it is ::)
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I did the same thing, controlled calories on junk when I turned 20. I lost a ton of weight and looked like a broom stick with a gut. I dieted on candy bars with salad, and pepsi with salad!! hahah, no joke!!! Why, because until I didn't lose fat the right way, sugary carbs still affected me, it would not let that stubborn gun fat leave no matter what I did. Chris Aceto once said something and it is sooooo true, especially in my case. When your lean bad carbs don't act like bad carbs, when you are fat, you have to keep an eye on the type of carbs you eat. You haven't gotten to that point yet, once yo do you may realize that losing lbs is not the same as losing fat. You will look like a balloon that deflated, still round but smaller, or a big shirt that was put in a drier, smaller, but still big in all the wrong places.
Damn it! I swear I wouldn't post on this anymore! :-X
you should have added some protein with your salad, i'm sure the results would have been better.
unbelievable.
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You should have just trained yo ass off heavy-hitter 8) Diet my ass ;D By the way, with all this talk about losing weight, you fellas need to focus on the 2 most important aspects of this whole weight-loss thing, which are as follows: 1. What about body comp changes? (This is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than just weight loss) 2. Did you keep the weight off for an extended amount of time?
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You should have just trained yo ass off heavy-hitter 8) Diet my ass ;D By the way, with all this talk about losing weight, you fellas need to focus on the 2 most important aspects of this whole weight-loss thing, which are as follows: 1. What about body comp changes? (This is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than just weight loss) 2. Did you keep the weight off for an extended amount of time?
LOL, sorry bro, I'm not one these newbies here. These were past rookie mistakes, I'm 31 years old 5-8 224 about 12% right now. just me arguing these things with Panda just demoted 9 degrees. LOL
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oh brother ::)
sure it is ::)
hahahahahHAHAHAhAHAHAhA!!!!
You really, REALLY gonna continue down this road?
You cant just admit I proved you wrong, can you? You REALLY gonna make the whole board laugh at you more than they already are?
You REALLY gonna continue to call bullshit when you can clearly see the same tat in both places in both pics? Fuck it, Ill go take the SAME pic with a pic taped on the mirror.
What are you gonna say then? Hmm?
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LOL, sorry bro, I'm not one these newbies here. These were past rookie mistakes, I'm 31 years old 5-8 224 about 12% right now. just me arguing these things with Panda just demoted 9 degrees. LOL
hahahahaha sure you are ::)
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hahahahahHAHAHAhAHAHAhA!!!!
You really, REALLY gonna continue down this road?
You cant just admit I proved you wrong, can you? You REALLY gonna make the whole board laugh at you more than they already are?
You REALLY gonna continue to call bullshit when you can clearly see the same tat in both places in both pics? Fuck it, Ill go take the SAME pic with a pic taped on the mirror.
What are you gonna say then? Hmm?
post a topless front relaxed pic ( no homo)
followed by a pic of you at 300lbs.
thats all i ask.
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hahahahaha sure you are ::)
Oh brother! Trust me bro, 224 5-8" with big bone structure like me is nothing to write home about.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs091.ash2/37875_1344179330740_1418952724_30775407_8213848_n.jpg)
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the facebook login page proves nothing.
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the facebook login page proves nothing.
Ok, as GH15 and Jenny Craig would say
You are Dismissed!
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I know he is gonna ignore me but I have to ask-what sort of daddy issue(s) does FP suffer from that he has to make a thread that isn't about him about him.
It's like, isn't this thread about Tbombz and gh15?
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i see you majored at the squadfather school of photography.
could you perhaps post another pic, one that you can actually see your physique ?
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ahahahahahahahahahahahah a fag-panda getting passed around in this thread like a fat guy getting passed around for smokes in a bad prison movie.
move on, fatboy. you're finished here.
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So I'm curious che ma man, what do you disagree with exactly? My major point is that HARD TRAINING COVERS A MULTITUDE OF DIETING SINS, so do you disagree that hard and consistant training doesn't do this? Also, I must add that it's MUCH BETTER to have about one-third of your diet to be composed of "junk food" and when I say "junk food" I'm talking mainly about fried and fatty foods, not sweet and sugary ones.
I just disagree with you IMHO for a natural 70% ( diet ) 30% (lifting).
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I know he is gonna ignore me but I have to ask-what sort of daddy issue(s) does FP suffer from that he has to make a thread that isn't about him about him.
It's like, isn't this thread about Tbombz and gh15?
no where near the daddy issues you have that make you suck cocks for kicks.
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I know he is gonna ignore me but I have to ask-what sort of daddy issue(s) does FP suffer from that he has to make a thread that isn't about him about him.
It's like, isn't this thread about Tbombz and gh15?
Fat panda is just your obese Fat arse who was anal violated by one of his gay uncles and Pastor at his church, as a result he ate mounds of candy, and other junk food to bury his sorrows...
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Fat panda is just your obese Fat arse who was anal violated by one of his gay uncles and Pastor at his church, as a result he ate mounds of candy, and other junk food to bury his sorrows...
Well he could have still eaten candy, just less of it and gotten ripped. ::) ::) ::)
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Fat panda is just your obese Fat arse who was anal violated by one of his gay uncles and Pastor at his church, as a result he ate mounds of candy, and other junk food to bury his sorrows...
he openly admitted to being homeless.
i wonder if it was because his pastor played hide the sausage and left him mentally scarred.
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Fair enough man, so we can agree to disagree 8) FYI, when I talk about hard training I'm talking about both forms of training ie. weight training and aerobic training
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no where near the daddy issues you have that make you suck cocks for kicks.
enough about my daddy issues, when was the last time you were intimate with someone?
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Well he could have still eaten candy, just less of it and gotten ripped. ::) ::) ::)
you are correct !
glad to see someone is listening to the truth.
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enough about my daddy issues, when was the last time you were intimate with someone?
last night with your mom.
she has a hook nose like you so it tickles my balls when she rims me.
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Well he could have still eaten candy, just less of it and gotten ripped. ::) ::) ::)
Are you saying that Fatpanda couldn't possibly have ate 1800 calories a day from Kit Kats, and 200 calories a day from Chicken Breast and still lost weight?
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last night with your mom.
she has a hook nose like you so it tickles my balls when she rims me.
umm no, you didn't ::)
fact of the matter is this- you are overcompensating for the lack of sex in your life by trying to be a internet smart guy.
just remember, you can talk "calorie is a calorie" this and "lab report" that. But in the end, you are just a lonely man who hasn't had sex in a while/ever
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FYI, when I talk about hard training I'm talking about both forms of training ie. weight training and aerobic training
I still disagree :)
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umm no, you didn't ::)
fact of the matter is this- you are overcompensating for the lack of sex in your life by trying to be a internet smart guy.
just remember, you can talk "calorie is a calorie" this and "lab report" that. But in the end, you are just a lonely man who hasn't had sex in a while/ever
Fatpanda is still a virgin...
I'm not counting the experiences with his uncles, pastors, priest, daddy, etc.
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umm no, you didn't ::)
fact of the matter is this- you are overcompensating for the lack of sex in your life by trying to be a internet smart guy.
just remember, you can talk "calorie is a calorie" this and "lab report" that. But in the end, you are just a lonely man who hasn't had sex in a while/ever
;D if it wasn't me the bitch must have been with someone else after i left.
i noticed there was a long line of guys and 2 donkeys at her door. i thought it was just a christmas nativity play or something :-\
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Fatpanda is still a virgin...
His boyfriend disagree.
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Ouch fagpanda still getting fucked more than the White American public.
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post a topless front relaxed pic ( no homo)
followed by a pic of you at 300lbs.
thats all i ask.
There is a reason I dont post pics on this site.
I am way to easily identifiable, and I have pointed people I work with/higher ups to this site for nutrition/training advice.
There is a reason Im not showing my whole tat, so NO I will not post a front relaxed pic, as Im way to identifiable.
This is all youre getting.
The one I included I was about 280lbs. You can clearly see the double chins and gut.
So no, I dont lie.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=360287.0;attach=395609;image)
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His boyfriend disagree.
He never had sex with a women...Come on the dude is fat, and hasn't seen his pecker since he was 14...
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Fatpanda is still a virgin...
i don't know and I don't think he is but I can tell you that this isn't a man who is getting laid on a regular basis.
It's all Freudian in the sense that he isn't having sex (which is the ultimate type of release for a man) so he has to find another outlet to "release" on. That outlet being this forum.
Seriously, you think lead singer of Incubus is on a internet forum endlessly posting about how you can get ripped eating Pizza and ice crean? No- he's having sex with a woman
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So can I ask what exactly is yo diet philo, che? Also, what was the leanest you ever got?
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There is a reason I dont post pics on this site.
I am way to easily identifiable, and I have pointed people I work with/higher ups to this site for nutrition/training advice.
There is a reason Im not showing my whole tat, so NO I will not post a front relaxed pic, as Im way to identifiable.
This is all youre getting.
The one I included I was about 280lbs. You can clearly see the double chins and gut.
So no, I dont lie.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=360287.0;attach=395609;image)
post a pic of your abs now. whats the problem ?
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Ouch fagpanda still getting fucked more than the White American public.
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post a pic of your abs now. whats the problem ?
I dont have abs dumbass, Im 18-19% BF. No where did I claim to have abs.
You called me a liar and I proved that youre full of shit, so stop side stepping.
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So can I ask what exactly is yo diet philo, che? Also, what was the leanest you ever got?
I got so lean...I thought that i was going to melt the vital fat around my heart and die.True story.. ;)
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So can I ask what exactly is yo diet philo, che? Also, what was the leanest you ever got?
4%bf
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There is a reason I dont post pics on this site.
I am way to easily identifiable, and I have pointed people I work with/higher ups to this site for nutrition/training advice.
There is a reason Im not showing my whole tat,
they are lucky you did.
if they are smart they will read everyone of my posts intimately.
broscience is solely responsible for the decimation of bodybuilding as we know it - and getbig is full of idiots promoting it.
if not for me and a very select few others this place would be the mari celeste of bodybuilding advice.
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Oh brother! Trust me bro, 224 5-8" with big bone structure like me is nothing to write home about.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs091.ash2/37875_1344179330740_1418952724_30775407_8213848_n.jpg)
damn, bro
awesome build
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they are lucky you did.
if they are smart they will read everyone of my posts intimately.
broscience is solely responsible for the decimation of bodybuilding as we know it - and getbig is full of idiots promoting it.
if not for me and a very select few others this place would be the mari celeste of bodybuilding advice.
Don't put your name and sound bodybuilding advice in the same post...You're a fatarse :'(
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I dont have abs dumbass, Im 18-19% BF. No where did I claim to have abs.
You called me a liar and I proved that youre full of shit, so stop side stepping.
no offense but you look like shit - zero muscle, boney shoulders and yet no abs ???
and you are actually debating me about proper diet to maintain muscle ::)
you were in the marines ? what did you do ? blow the bugle ?
this place never fails to amaze me.
congrats on losing the fat - but really you ate bland junk food for that physique!
will you kill yourself when i am ripped with more muscle and got there eating chunky kitkats ?
do you even workout with weights ?
or are you like no one and johnnynoshame and only come here to masterbate to men in thong pics ?
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If that FatPanda??? Ok, I take back everything I said about dieting bro!
When you are that fat, you can lose weight on 10,000 cals, you will still be at about a 500 cal. deficit.
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If that FatPanda??? Ok, I take back everything I said about dieting bro!
When you are that fat, you can lose weight on 10,000 cals, you will still be at about a 500 cal. deficit.
lol thats funny coming from a guy who thinks posting a dirty grainy reflection pic of himself with his arms pushing against a preacher station to make them look bigger yet still not impressing :-\
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If that FatPanda??? Ok, I take back everything I said about dieting bro!
When you are that fat, you can lose weight on 10,000 cals, you will still be at about a 500 cal. deficit.
That's the panda himself...
When your his size, you can have a canister of shortening each day and still lose weight.
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no offense but you look like shit - zero muscle, boney shoulders and yet no abs ???
and you are actually debating me about proper diet to maintain muscle ::)
you were in the marines ? what did you do ? blow the bugle ?
this place never fails to amaze me.
congrats on losing the fat - but really you ate bland junk food for that physique!
will you kill yourself when i am ripped with more muscle and got there eating chunky kitkats ?
do you even workout with weights ?
or are you like no one and johnnynoshame and only come here to masterbate to men in thong pics ?
haha,.just like I said, youd wait until you had no options left and then talk shit about the pics after your been proven to be full of shit.
I didnt have HALF the gut you have, and I still have loose skin on my stomach.
Ill wait patiently until youve lost your weight, then come and talk to me, right now you have NO IDEA how small youre going to be when you lose all that fat. Like Adonis constantly tells obese people, they have NO IDEA how little muscle is under all that flab.
Even if you lose the weight, you better plan on investing in some plastic surgery cause youre going to go from one nasty physique to a completely different (nasty) one.
Hahaha. The fact that you have the audacity to critisize anyone is beyond me, but whatever, its only a matter of time until reality hits you. If you even get that far.
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haha,.just like I said, youd wait until you had no options left and then talk shit about the pics after your been proven to be full of shit.
I didnt have HALF the gut you have, and I still have loose skin on my stomach.
Ill wait patiently until youve lost your weight, then come and talk to me, right now you have NO IDEA how small youre going to be when you lose all that fat. Like Adonis constantly tells obese people, they have NO IDEA how little muscle is under all that flab.
Even if you lose the weight, you better plan on investing in some plastic surgery cause youre going to go from one nasty physique to a completely different (nasty) one.
Hahaha. The fact that you have the audacity to critisize anyone is beyond me, but whatever, its only a matter of time until reality hits you. If you even get that far.
i'm not hating on you, you did really well to lose that fat by eating such a bland boring diet for 2 years. it couldn't have been easy. you must have tremendous will power. which probably helped you in the marines i would imagine.
but lets be serious here.
you have 14" arms if that, zero shoulder mass or pec mass and no doubt twigs for legs.
you and i completely different.
you are claiming your way of dieting maintains mass better ( clearly it doesn't, or you had none to begin with) and the way i eat doesn't. i will personally prove it does, but i do not expect you to believe me as i have still to prove it. Thats why i post studies to back up what i'm saying.
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shockwave are you really bones a.k.a. love monkey?
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i'm not hating on you, you did really well to lose that fat by eating such a bland boring diet for 2 years. it couldn't have been easy. you must have tremendous will power. which probably helped you in the marines i would imagine.
but lets be serious here.
you have 14" arms if that, zero shoulder mass or pec mass and no doubt twigs for legs.
you and i completely different.
you are claiming your way of dieting maintains mass better ( clearly it doesn't, or you had none to begin with) and the way i eat doesn't. i will personally prove it does, but i do not expect you to believe me as i have still to prove it. Thats why i post studies to back up what i'm saying.
Hahahahahaha.
Im Between 6'1.5 and 6'3 depending on whos measuring there son, and I dont train for size, I train for functunal strength and agility, like most anyone in the military who is/was in a combat MOS.
So youre insults carry no weight.
Like I said, youre in for a rude awakening if you ever do lose all the weight. I hope you do, it will give you a lot of perspective and humility.
Tell yourself whatever you want man, whatever helps you sleep at night and keeps you going, cause youre delusion is STRONG.
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Oh brother! Trust me bro, 224 5-8" with big bone structure like me is nothing to write home about.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs091.ash2/37875_1344179330740_1418952724_30775407_8213848_n.jpg)
Solid shape chief. Nice to see some of us are still lifting on here and keeping above the 220 mark...
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In all seriousness guys, FP is obese, having him cut his candy right now is not thing to do. When you are that fat you have to whene the person off food, to them food sugar is like heroin and if you take them off they can literally go crazy! First you start them on diet soda, then candy with less calories, then you have them stuff tons of veggies n their mouth before they can have candy, this way they will be too full and only opt for 6 snicker bars instead of the usual 14. Then you make them drink tons of water between meals so their stomach is full before going to McDonalds so they only eat 3 bigmacs, not the 3 big macs, 20mcNuggets, and 4 99cent whoppers for good measure. Then you put him on an excercise program and not only do you feed him tons of water, grass, and other greens, you make him walk to his favorite fat food places, if he runs he gets a cookie, but for now walking is plenty. After you do this for four months and he loses the initial fat/bloat of 50lbs and now he's at about 20% bodyfat is when he starts eating a more clean diet, followed with a treadmill. He's on the right track guys, he will be ok, it's not like he has a photoshoot in 8 weeks. ;)
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4%? Damn dude, if you are for real and not taking the piss out of me, then mad props to you sir. But I guess that it would put the icing on da cake if you posted this 4% pic and got God's all-knowing true judgement of your actual level of bodyfat, the same as I did. Anyways, you've trumped me by 2 percentage points :(
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shockwave are you really bones a.k.a. love monkey?
Negative.
Im pretty sure he doesnt have a very recognizable tattoo.
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There is a reason I dont post pics on this site.
I am way to easily identifiable, and I have pointed people I work with/higher ups to this site for nutrition/training advice.
There is a reason Im not showing my whole tat, so NO I will not post a front relaxed pic, as Im way to identifiable.
This is all youre getting.
The one I included I was about 280lbs. You can clearly see the double chins and gut.
So no, I dont lie.
Is that you "shockwave"? Nice Slayer T...
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i'm not hating on you, you did really well to lose that fat by eating such a bland boring diet for 2 years. it couldn't have been easy. you must have tremendous will power. which probably helped you in the marines i would imagine.
but lets be serious here.
you have 14" arms if that, zero shoulder mass or pec mass and no doubt twigs for legs.
you and i completely different.
you are claiming your way of dieting maintains mass better ( clearly it doesn't, or you had none to begin with) and the way i eat doesn't. i will personally prove it does, but i do not expect you to believe me as i have still to prove it. Thats why i post studies to back up what i'm saying.
What exactly do you think you are going to look like when the layers and layers of fat are stripped off you? Do you think there is a greek god awaiting under that body of yours?
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Is that you "shockwave"? Nice Slayer T...
Lol.
Yeah. That was me in my fatty high school stage, and what I looked like post-military.
Lots of running/bodyweight excersizes/some weight training.
Still got some loose skin on my abs/lower lats I have to get surgery on, not terrible, kinda looks like Taylor's stomach in the pic he posted.
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is heavy hitter a black?
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is heavy hitter a black?
Me black?? lol, no! Not even from the waist down bro! :D
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post pics coach - i'd be interested in seeing them.
its nothing that can't be done, its just shockwave makes these claims that because he lost 100lbs by eating bland food its impossible for anyone else to do it any other way - which even you know is bullshit.
yet he will not post 1 single pic backing up that he looks good now despite losing 100lbs ::)
if you lose 100lbs and still are too ashamed to post a pic...........
also he claims playing video games made him 300lbs - i don't know where to begin owning this lying retarded tit.
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/simon1.png)
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Me black?? lol, no! Not even from the waist down bro! :D
too bad
we could use another black on this forum
right now we only have a couple like:
Wiggs
and A Dub
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Lol.
Yeah. That was me in my fatty high school stage, and what I looked like post-military.
Lots of running/bodyweight excersizes/some weight training.
Still got some loose skin on my abs/lower lats I have to get surgery on, not terrible, kinda looks like Taylor's stomach in the pic he posted.
Congrats for getting in shape...
Thumbs-up Christmas from A23.
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Hahahahahaha.
Im Between 6'1.5 and 6'3 depending on whos measuring there son, and I dont train for size, I train for functunal strength and agility , like most anyone in the military who is/was in a combat MOS.
So youre insults carry no weight.
Like I said, youre in for a rude awakening if you ever do lose all the weight. I hope you do, it will give you a lot of perspective and humility.
Tell yourself whatever you want man, whatever helps you sleep at night and keeps you going, cause youre delusion is STRONG.
lol sure you do bones mark 2.
every twink on this site trains for functional strength and agility. ;D
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What exactly do you think you are going to look like when the layers and layers of fat are stripped off you? Do you think there is a greek god awaiting under that body of yours?
better than you or i'll kill myself.
of course we'll never really know what you really look like as you will never post a clear pic.
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lol sure you do bones mark 2.
every twink on this site trains for functional strength and agility. ;D
LOL!!! I gotta admit when I was really bulky, I would always tell people I was powerlifting! Then I'd go on the bench and do concentration curls when no one was looking. :D
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better than you or i'll kill myself.
of course we'll never really know what you really look like as you will never post a clear pic.
Ok, bro! just let us know where to send the rope. ;D
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Shock good job on losing the weight brotha!
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4%? Damn dude, if you are for real and not taking the piss out of me, then mad props to you sir. But I guess that it would put the icing on da cake if you posted this 4% pic and got God's all-knowing true judgement of your actual level of bodyfat, the same as I did. Anyways, you've trumped me by 2 percentage points :(
All I have are 4 weeks out scanned pictures , all pics from my show (and my wife ) were victim of a virus in my computer.
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lol sure you do bones mark 2.
every twink on this site trains for functional strength and agility. ;D
Yeah, cause everyone is/was an Infantryman, dummy. Lol.
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Yeah, cause everyone is/was an Infantryman, dummy. Lol.
for your sake i hope you are a good shot.
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Fair enough man, so could you function half-way normally at that level of leanness? I felt rather fine at sub-6, but I've got a feeling it might have been a bit harder to function at 4%? Also, how long did you stay that lean? I stayed at sub-6 for a few months time, then I put on nearly 15 pounds, while staying sub-8. I wish dat I would have taken a pic then, when I was 167 and sub-8 FUCK! FUCK!
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What exactly do you think you are going to look like when the layers and layers of fat are stripped off you? Do you think there is a greek god awaiting under that body of yours?
better than you or i'll kill myself.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs091.ash2/37875_1344179330740_1418952724_30775407_8213848_n.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=360287.0;attach=395628;image)
RIP Fatpanda :-X
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i don't know and I don't think he is but I can tell you that this isn't a man who is getting laid on a regular basis.
It's all Freudian in the sense that he isn't having sex (which is the ultimate type of release for a man) so he has to find another outlet to "release" on. That outlet being this forum.
Seriously, you think lead singer of Incubus is on a internet forum endlessly posting about how you can get ripped eating Pizza and ice crean? No- he's having sex with a woman
brutal 1997 reference. now i have to go put saddle cream on my doc martens, fuck off.
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brutal 1997 reference. now i have to go put saddle cream on my doc martens, fuck off.
Brandon Boyd is still a pimp in 2010
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brutal 1997 reference. now i have to go put saddle cream on my doc martens, fuck off.
Docs just aren't what they used to be, I was very disappointed in my last two pair. :(
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Oh brother! Trust me bro, 224 5-8" with big bone structure like me is nothing to write home about.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs091.ash2/37875_1344179330740_1418952724_30775407_8213848_n.jpg)
LOL - epic taking a blurry, distorted *mirror shot* under overhead lighting that you think is *just right*... while spreading your arms out on the preacher curl to make them look bigger...
Post up a real fucking pic.
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Fair enough man, so could you function half-way normally at that level of leanness? I felt rather fine at sub-6, but I've got a feeling it might have been a bit harder to function at 4%? Also, how long did you stay that lean? I stayed at sub-6 for a few months time, then I put on nearly 15 pounds, while staying sub-8. I wish dat I would have taken a pic then, when I was 167 and sub-8 FUCK! FUCK!
I was around 4% just for couple days before the show ,the only problem I had was at work , Wednesday before the show (92 F) I couldn't drink enough water
and I got really dizzy (dehydrated) I had to leave work early that day .
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Solid shape chief. Nice to see some of us are still lifting on here and keeping above the 220 mark...
hey, pork chop- an FYI for you- just because your 'over 220' as you so aptly put it, doesn't mean you look good.
in your case, you sloppy titted bitch, it means your just a fat guy who lifts weights. lots of those around. hell, actually theres no difference between you and a million other overweight americans, other than you go into your garage a couple times a week and perform some kind of ritual that makes you think your accomplishing something.
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LOL - epic taking a blurry, distorted *mirror shot* under overhead lighting that you think is *just right*... while spreading your arms out on the preacher curl to make them look bigger...
Post up a real fucking pic.
james,
heres and idea
post your pic
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james,
heres and idea
post your pic
Why? There’s been about 100 pics of me posted on this board over the years.
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LOL - epic taking a blurry, distorted *mirror shot* under overhead lighting that you think is *just right*... while spreading your arms out on the preacher curl to make them look bigger...
Post up a real fucking pic.
Ok bro, I'm not claiming to be some huge monstrous guys! However I can back up that I'm not some little skinny twirp who sits here and bashes everyone and does Monday Night quarterbacking, or better yet some over weight guy talking out my ass.
(http://l32.sphotos.l3.fbcdn.net/hphotos-l3-ash2/hs403.ash2/68151_1499479373144_1418952724_31090546_5718951_n.jpg)
Here's another one in clothes. See I'm not that big, but I have good round shoulders so in a tank top it gives the illusion that I'm heavier.Also I I was depleted here (Palumbo diet) as I was dieting for summer. Let the Jersey Shore comments begin! hahah :D
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs213.snc4/39005_1335895803657_1418952724_30756561_3511644_n.jpg)
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Ok bro, I'm not claiming to be some huge monstrous guys! However I can back up that I'm not some little skinny twirp who sits here and bashes everyone and does Monday Night quarterbacking, or better yet some over weight guy talking out my ass.
(http://l32.sphotos.l3.fbcdn.net/hphotos-l3-ash2/hs403.ash2/68151_1499479373144_1418952724_31090546_5718951_n.jpg)
Here's another one, I was depleted here as I was dieting for summer. Let the Jersey Shore comments begin! hahah :D
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs213.snc4/39005_1335895803657_1418952724_30756561_3511644_n.jpg)
Just busting your balls... you've got quite the manly jawline going on there ;)
No h o m o...
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james,
heres and idea
post your pic
This is a pic of me -
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs477.ash1/26150_100810936621112_100000766174172_20628_542764_n.jpg)
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Ok bro, I'm not claiming to be some huge monstrous guys! However I can back up that I'm not some little skinny twirp who sits here and bashes everyone and does Monday Night quarterbacking, or better yet some over weight guy talking out my ass.
(http://l32.sphotos.l3.fbcdn.net/hphotos-l3-ash2/hs403.ash2/68151_1499479373144_1418952724_31090546_5718951_n.jpg)
Here's another one in clothes. See I'm not that big, but I have good round shoulders so in a tank top it gives the illusion that I'm heavier.Also I I was depleted here (Palumbo diet) as I was dieting for summer. Let the Jersey Shore comments begin! hahah :D
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs213.snc4/39005_1335895803657_1418952724_30756561_3511644_n.jpg)
oh shit :o
i'm sorry i said what i said.
i don't want any trouble from a guy who wears throwdown t-shirts.
sorry big man
(http://calmdowntom.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/panda.jpg)
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oh shit :o
i'm sorry i said what i said.
i don't want any trouble from a guy who wears throwdown t-shirts.
sorry big man
a guy with 50 posts comes out of nowhere and owns your fat ass into oblivion, and this is all you have?
nice job of reinforcing how much of a tool you are, asscrack.
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a guy with 50 posts comes out of nowhere and owns your fat ass into oblivion, and this is all you have?
nice job of reinforcing how much of a tool you are, asscrack.
funny thing is he owns your ass into oblivion by posting a pic :D
how many posts do you have now ? how many of those admitting taking grams of gear each week, gh , insulin etc ::) yet you still wont post a pic ;D
of course you could post your own proving you are not the guy i have pics of. i guess it is afterall ::) like i didn't know.
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oh shit :o
i'm sorry i said what i said.
i don't want any trouble from a guy who wears throwdown t-shirts.
sorry big man
(http://calmdowntom.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/panda.jpg)
LOL, hey man all jokes aside, I use to be just as fat as you (almost). So I seriously was just trying to help you avoid mistakes I made that could have saved me a lot of time. Right now it's easy to shed those pounds off, when it gets tough let me know I'll help you. Hell I think I shed my first 20lbs buy just going to McDonalds once a day and eating semi clean the rest of the time. lol
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funny thing is he owns your ass into oblivion by posting a pic :D
how many posts do you have now ? how many of those admitting taking grams of gear each week, gh , insulin etc ::) yet you still wont post a pic ;D
of course you could post your own proving you are not the guy i have pics of. i guess it is afterall ::) like i didn't know.
Nobody is here to own anyone bro, it's just bodybuilding, there is much more to life. I've been there, I know, one day you will understand too.
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Nobody is here to own anyone bro, it's just bodybuilding, there is much more to life. I've been there, I know, one day you will understand too.
shut it tapout or you will truely understand an owning. ;D
you are giving diet advice when its clear you are on gear ::)
your opinion is worthless.
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shut it tapout or you will truely understand an owning. ;D
you are giving diet advice when its clear you are on gear ::)
your opinion is worthless.
LOL @ the Tapout comment ;D
I'm sorry did I ever say I was natural? Can you not be fat and be on gear? Do you think gear makes losing fat a lot easier?? lol! You know what a 260lb fat guy who does a cycle will look like in 12 weeks? A 280lb fat guy! And that's a fact. :)
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shut it tapout or you will truely understand an owning. ;D
you are giving diet advice when its clear you are on gear ::)
your opinion is worthless.
LMAO. Is your opinion important? Considering the fact that you are fat?
Don't talk about things if you can't walk the walk.
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dizzlewizzle all the way
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Ok bro, I'm not claiming to be some huge monstrous guys! However I can back up that I'm not some little skinny twirp who sits here and bashes everyone and does Monday Night quarterbacking, or better yet some over weight guy talking out my ass.
(http://l32.sphotos.l3.fbcdn.net/hphotos-l3-ash2/hs403.ash2/68151_1499479373144_1418952724_31090546_5718951_n.jpg)
Here's another one in clothes. See I'm not that big, but I have good round shoulders so in a tank top it gives the illusion that I'm heavier.Also I I was depleted here (Palumbo diet) as I was dieting for summer. Let the Jersey Shore comments begin! hahah :D
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs213.snc4/39005_1335895803657_1418952724_30756561_3511644_n.jpg)
Good job, one of the few on here who are willing to back their words.
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This is a pic of me -
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs477.ash1/26150_100810936621112_100000766174172_20628_542764_n.jpg)
I would rape your little sweet ass bitch. :P
SLURP
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well, one of them looks like this after YEARS ON steroids.
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6493/taynewpic.jpg)
Im not one to complain about others, but man, thats worthless..
dizzlewizzle all the way
Can he teach me how to get a really cool abscess in my try like that?
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Can he teach me how to get a really cool abscess in my try like that?
I know he knows stuff. GH15 I don't think knows too much.
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I would rape your little sweet ass bitch. :P
SLURP
I was 12 years old in that pic.
Pedo tendencies noted.
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LOL @ the Tapout comment ;D
I'm sorry did I ever say I was natural? Can you not be fat and be on gear? Do you think gear makes losing fat a lot easier?? lol! You know what a 260lb fat guy who does a cycle will look like in 12 weeks? A 280lb fat guy! And that's a fact. :)
come on man you're claiming the diet i'm talking about can't work when it is working. you are also claiming that clean eating ( the palumbo way )is better.
i posted a collection of results from metabolic ward studies done on normal people not on gear that showed calories are what count. you ignore it ???
gear totally changes the effect of lean mass retention and some steroids also burn fat - test and anavar - (proven) and a few thought to tren perhaps masteron not to mention gh t3 dnp clen etc
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Can he teach me how to get a really cool abscess in my try like that?
Holy shit.
SOMEONE has been injecting oil into their triceps. And it's very obvious.
Step...away...from the oil!
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I was 12 years old in that pic.
Pedo tendencies noted.
I'd rape you then and I'm gonna rape you know...Take all the notes you want, they won't help you Goldilocks.
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LOL, hey man all jokes aside, I use to be just as fat as you (almost). So I seriously was just trying to help you avoid mistakes I made that could have saved me a lot of time. Right now it's easy to shed those pounds off, when it gets tough let me know I'll help you. Hell I think I shed my first 20lbs buy just going to McDonalds once a day and eating semi clean the rest of the time. lol
thank you for the offer.
i do not need anyones help, but your kindness has been noted.
if i may ask which gurus have you employed ? alex and dave ?
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I'd rape you then and I'm gonna rape you know...Take all the notes you want, they won't help you Goldilocks.
You're a B A D man >:(
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Here's another one in clothes. See I'm not that big
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs213.snc4/39005_1335895803657_1418952724_30756561_3511644_n.jpg)
being very modest here...
looking huge bro
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being very modest here...
looking huge bro
yup- the guy looks like he trains and should be proud of what he's accomplished.
good for him.
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thank you for the offer.
i do not need anyones help, but your kindness has been noted.
if i may ask which gurus have you employed ? alex and dave ?
Yeah actually me and Alex use to be close, he helped me once when I went from 8-14% he got me back down to 8% in like 6weeks pretty quick. I could have done it shorter, but due to work I couldn't do as much cardio. I used Daves keto twice by just reading about his tactics on MD, but I never spoke to him other than an occassional email. Alex is better if you like more food, more cardio, more volume. Daves diet is better if you like less volume, less cardio, and a cheat meal once a week. The only drawback to the Palumbo diet is you go flat in about two weeks, but when you have your cheat meal your veins pop out you get striated and look like you can step on stage. Look at my neck here after a cheat meal.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs174.snc1/6529_1095746440073_1418952724_30229302_3682709_n.jpg)
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Yeah actually me and Alex use to be close, he helped me once when I went from 8-14% he got me back down to 8% in like 6weeks pretty quick. I could have done it shorter, but due to work I couldn't do as much cardio. I used Daves keto twice by just reading about his tactics on MD, but I never spoke to him other than an occassional email. Alex is better if you like more food, more cardio, more volume. Daves diet is better if you like less volume, less cardio, and a cheat meal once a week. The only drawback to the Palumbo diet is you go flat in about two weeks, but when you have your cheat meal your veins pop out you get striated and look like you can step on stage. Look at my neck here after a cheat meal.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs174.snc1/6529_1095746440073_1418952724_30229302_3682709_n.jpg)
Veiny as a cock.
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How many inches around is your neck?
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Yeah actually me and Alex use to be close, he helped me once when I went from 8-14% he got me back down to 8% in like 6weeks pretty quick. I could have done it shorter, but due to work I couldn't do as much cardio. I used Daves keto twice by just reading about his tactics on MD, but I never spoke to him other than an occassional email. Alex is better if you like more food, more cardio, more volume. Daves diet is better if you like less volume, less cardio, and a cheat meal once a week. The only drawback to the Palumbo diet is you go flat in about two weeks, but when you have your cheat meal your veins pop out you get striated and look like you can step on stage. Look at my neck here after a cheat meal.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs174.snc1/6529_1095746440073_1418952724_30229302_3682709_n.jpg)
i have spoken to alex via email a few times.
he is a great guy and offers lots of free help and advice.
i cannot do his or daves diet - both too bland for me.
i'll stick to eating whatever i like and controlling calories and protein.
if i wanted quicker results i would take the recommended 'usuals' but i'm proving a point with the way i'm eating.
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How many inches around is your neck?
18-19" fluctuates on diet. And no bigger neck doesn't mean bigger......ya know :'(
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18-19" fluctuates on diet. And no bigger neck doesn't mean bigger......ya know :'(
Speak for yourself.. my neck is 18in.. and I’m a happy camper downstairs.
No homo and no bullshit ;D
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This is a pic of me -
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Hey man if you were 12 here you must be huge now???? That looked like Jay Cutler at 12!
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Hey man if you were 12 here you must be huge now???? That looked like Jay Cutler at 12!
That’s nothing.
My kid is 6 feet tall and over 170 pounds at 13.
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Speak for yourself.. my neck is 18in.. and I’m a happy camper downstairs.
No homo and no bullshit ;D
Epic male bonding... ::)
Gayer than "docking"...
(http://dirtypaco.com/blogsorg/boimages/gay_docking_uncut_cocks-1.jpg)
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Epic male bonding... ::)
Gayer than "docking"...
(http://dirtypaco.com/blogsorg/boimages/gay_docking_uncut_cocks-1.jpg)
There always has to be some toolbag who comes along and posts up a picture of excessive faggotry to get attention.
Way to be *that guy* Alex.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=353670.0;attach=392523;image)
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Hey man if you were 12 here you must be huge now???? That looked like Jay Cutler at 12!
By the way.. I’m not a large guy these days and haven’t trained or ran a decent amount of juice in years.
I sit at 220.. lift light on and off, and like to stay healthy with a little muscle.
I posted these pics in a training thread recently... because I'm re dedicating myself to the gym ;D
Anyway - this is what I look like now.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=358375.0;attach=393911;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=358375.0;attach=393912;image)
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Veiny as a cock.
:-X :-X :o
i have spoken to alex via email a few times.
he is a great guy and offers lots of free help and advice.
i cannot do his or daves diet - both too bland for me.
i'll stick to eating whatever i like and controlling calories and protein.
if i wanted quicker results i would take the recommended 'usuals' but i'm proving a point with the way i'm eating.
::)
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FatPanda - the Dale Carnegie of Getbig. Oh brother.
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FatPanda - the Dale Carnegie of Getbig. Oh brother.
;D
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fatpanda fat
;D
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too bad
we could use another black on this forum
right now we only have a couple like:
Wiggs
and A Dub
You forgot Showstoppa!
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You forgot Showstoppa!
And Benny Blackie and Mesomorf
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FatPanda - the Duh-ale Carnegie of Getbig. Oh brother.
Fixed
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i have spoken to alex via email a few times.
he is a great guy and offers lots of free help and advice.
i cannot do his or daves diet - both too bland for me.
i'll stick to eating whatever i like and controlling calories and protein.
if i wanted quicker results i would take the recommended 'usuals' but i'm proving a point with the way i'm eating.
ahahahahahaha yeah your doing great!
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Hey Fatpanda, I'm curious bro, how much protein do you think that you "need"? And speaking of "protein needs" what's you take on my 275 powerlifting friend with a 700 pound bp who kept ALL of his size and strength eating roughly 80 grams of protein daily for over 2 months straight? And yes, you read that write 80 grams daily for months with NO size and strength loss.
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Hey Fatpanda, I'm curious bro, how much protein do you think that you "need"? And speaking of "protein needs" what's you take on my 275 powerlifting friend with a 700 pound bp who kept ALL of his size and strength eating roughly 80 grams of protein daily for over 2 months straight? And yes, you read that write 80 grams daily for months with NO size and strength loss.
there has been studies done that show its possible to grow muscle on very little protein, so i can believe it.
overall calories have a massive effect on how much protein is needed, as does steroids - which i'm sure you friend is on.
however i will say that i doubt he only ate 80g a day, perhaps he thought that, but he would literally have to be a vegetarian or vegan to get that little protein. unless he is a vegetarian or vegan ?
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ahahahahahaha yeah your doing great!
The weird thing from the back he doesnt look half as fat as from the front, the love handles are bad yeah, but the rest isnt totally horrible. Looks like youre holding most of your weight in your stomach (which isnt necessarily a good thing, means youre gonna have to have some surgery on the skin on your stomach)
Panda youre way overestimating how big youre gonna be once its all gone though, your delts and arms are going to shrink a lot as the fat continues to come off you. I know you dont believe me, but trust me, its going to happen unless you use gear to diet.
Looks very much what I looked like around 280. (remember im about 3 1/2"-4" taller than you.)
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looks like another 20+ page bandwidth waster thanks to FatPiehole
haha it looks like we are getting there again...
seriously Fatpanda, Al Gore should send you a bill for how much of space your bullshit is cluttering on the internet. Even with all the bandwidth that is dedicated to rubbish like Anime discussion, "Cosplay" and Dr. Who Role playing games, your crap is the bottom of the barrell.
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No man, he ain't no vegan, but he was "dieting" at roughly 2000 cals per day. And yes, he had lots of "chemical assistance" Also, at that time he also trained twice a week: Sunday=bench day Weds=tri day, and he held on to his 30 inch wheels training them here and there (maybe once a month). FYI, carbs have a protein sparing effect, so maybe the rest of his 2000 cals, mostly from carbs, allowed him to keep his size and strength on 80 pro grams daily
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Anyways, you didn't answer my other question: How much protein do you think that you "need"? I'm guessing that you are gonna say 1.4 to 2.0 grams per kilogram of bodyweight ;D
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haha it looks like we are getting there again...
seriously Fatpanda, Al Gore should send you a bill for how much of space your bullshit is cluttering on the internet. Even with all the bandwidth that is dedicated to rubbish like Anime discussion, "Cosplay" and Dr. Who Role playing games, your crap is the bottom of the barrell.
oh shit ;D
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fuck your studies
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bump
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Anyways, you didn't answer my other question: How much protein do you think that you "need"? I'm guessing that you are gonna say 1.4 to 2.0 grams per kilogram of bodyweight ;D
christ sake why the fuck are you asking stupid shit all day? Everyone on here knows your too scared to juice yet you talk drugs all day and about gh this and that. SHUT THE FUCK UP!
anyone else want this clown ass banned? ::)
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The weird thing from the back he doesnt look half as fat as from the front, the love handles are bad yeah, but the rest isnt totally horrible. Looks like youre holding most of your weight in your stomach (which isnt necessarily a good thing, means youre gonna have to have some surgery on the skin on your stomach)
Panda youre way overestimating how big youre gonna be once its all gone though, your delts and arms are going to shrink a lot as the fat continues to come off you. I know you dont believe me, but trust me, its going to happen unless you use gear to diet.
Looks very much what I looked like around 280. (remember im about 3 1/2"-4" taller than you.)
you are right about my stomach i hold most of my weight there. i always have, and its always the last to come off there.
my arms are small just now never mind when i lose more weight. however i do not work them directly, and haven't for over 2 years.
i have been experimenting with my workouts and the theory that the arms will get worked during compound movements like rows and presses - clearly they don't - or of they do - not enough. they look great with a pump though :)
they used to be 19" a few years ago.
i am thinking about working them directly again.
dj - studies show around 1g of protein per pound of lean body mass is what you need. you could perhaps use a little more or less depending on other factors too. but not much more. i certainly would never again eat more than 1 g per pound of total body weight.
right now i fluctuate from 160-180g per day. i think this is slightly less than i really need as i'm hoping to be around 180 ripped to the bone. while my worst fears are i'll only be around 160 or less :(
my other macros average around 33/33/33 is you are wondering.
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Wouldn't it be easier to make a Q@A thread for our celebrity member FatPanda?
RXMuscle has Chris Aceto, Skip Hill, and Dave Palumbo
MD has Jay Cutler, Abbas Khatami, Even Centropanni
Getbig - We get FatPanda 8)
Better Recognize Bitches!!!
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Hey fred, when did I EVER talk about my knowledge of gh or juice? And Panda, yeah man, you've got a point about the arms (especially the biceps) needing direct stimulation.
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Wouldn't it be easier to make a Q@A thread for our celebrity member FatPanda?
RXMuscle has Chris Aceto, Skip Hill, and Dave Palumbo
MD has Jay Cutler, Abbas Khatami, Even Centropanni
Getbig - We get FatPanda 8)
Better Recognize Bitches!!!
i agree.
speak to ron about setting it up.
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ron should give fatpanda a credential to give out nutritional advice
also, ron should give a credential to Tre on how to appreciate African American women and a credential to Onlyme on how to become a successful anorexic
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Can he teach me how to get a really cool abscess in my try like that?
just my opinion, I would listen to him rather than just about any other guy on this forum
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just my opinion, I would listen to him rather than just about any other guy on this forum
Damn dude, thanks. I appreciate that, especially from you.
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Damn dude, thanks. I appreciate that, especially from you.
candy have you used synthol in your arms ?
is that an abcess?
or is it just haters jealous of your big arms ?
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ahahahahahaha yeah your doing great!
it boggles my mind how people still are arguing with FPanda about how you need clean foods to get lean ::) the reason he dont look amazing is cause he is drug free and not a young guy. hes still right about calories
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it boggles my mind how people still are arguing with FPanda about how you need clean foods to get lean ::) the reason he dont look amazing is cause he is drug free and not a young guy. hes still right about calories
careful fred - that sort of rational logic will get you many enemies here :D
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candy have you used synthol in your arms ?
is that an abcess?
or is it just haters jealous of your big arms ?
never used "synthol" before, and i dont have an abcess either. i have used the outer heads of my triceps for test injections in the past.
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I'd listen to both !!!
GH15 is like a father to me who doesn't bullshit and encourage me to juice until I die
Tdizzle is like a big brother to me who doesn't bullshit about anything 8)