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How exactly is Lesnar supposed to 'coach' and 'teach' others how to fight, when he does not know how to fight himself?
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How exactly is Lesnar supposed to 'coach' and 'teach' others how to fight, when he does not know how to fight himself?
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Youre right. The guy knows nothing about wrestling at all. Nothing.
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How exactly is Lesnar supposed to 'coach' and 'teach' others how to fight, when he does not know how to fight himself?
What doesn't Brock bring would be the better question? If Brock has nothing else, he is an exceptional athlete that has made tons of money in his career. He has been successful in the NCAA, WWE, UFC and even a tryout in the NFL. He made it to the UFC in his second pro-fight. Call it what you want, love him or hate him, he is an exceptional freak of nature. For this alone he is qualified.
Besides, what does anyone really learn on the TUF....It's a reality show with MMA fighters. Not a "learn how to fight" show.
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What doesn't Brock bring would be the better question?
Boxing skills, ground defense skills.
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Boxing skills, ground defense skills.
i guess he is just going to teach shit talking, how to curl up in the fetus position, and how to run away when the punches start...
dude is a total can...
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What doesn't Brock bring would be the better question? If Brock has nothing else, he is an exceptional athlete that has made tons of money in his career. He has been successful in the NCAA, WWE, UFC and even a tryout in the NFL. He made it to the UFC in his second pro-fight. Call it what you want, love him or hate him, he is an exceptional freak of nature. For this alone he is qualified.
Besides, what does anyone really learn on the TUF....It's a reality show with MMA fighters. Not a "learn how to fight" show.
had nothing to do with his fighting at all...he was a pure publicity stunt by the UFC to get more viewers...nothing more...
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had nothing to do with his fighting at all...he was a pure publicity stunt by the UFC to get more viewers...nothing more...
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Not saying Brock is the best ever, but somehow he ended up being ranked #1 for a period of time and is now ranked #2 in the HW division. Call it what you want...not bad for a "publicity stunt".
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i guess he is just going to teach shit talking, how to curl up in the fetus position, and how to run away when the punches start...
dude is a total can...
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Total can is currently ranked #2 in the HW division. He must have something to teach wouldn't you say? He came into the sport fighting the best top ranked guys in the world. Not to shabby if you ask me.
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How exactly is Lesnar supposed to 'coach' and 'teach' others how to fight, when he does not know how to fight himself?
Not sure if you realize this or not, but it's a reality TV show that has one objective: get ratings to sell advertising. It's that simple. Brock will bring the ratings.
That said, Brock himself will be able to offer world class wrestling coaching. And, with wrestling being the foundation for most successful MMA fighters, this will be of great value to the contestants. As for BJJ, Muay Thai, boxing, etc., he will do what all the other prior coaches have done. He'll bring a team of assistant coaches in.
Hope that helps...
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Not sure if you realize this or not, but it's a reality TV show that has one objective: get ratings to sell advertising. It's that simple. Brock will bring the ratings.
That said, Brock himself will be able to offer world class wrestling coaching. And, with wrestling being the foundation for most successful MMA fighters, this will be of great value to the contestants. As for BJJ, Muay Thai, boxing, etc., he will do what all the other prior coaches have done. He'll bring a team of assistant coaches in.
Hope that helps...
it may help .. but it still sucks .. he should just go to have a chat with vince mcMahon and dress up as some character in the ring .. he's an ass .. they can call him Jack
Jack Brock .. who wears a cock .. tattooed on his sunken chest .. he may act all bad but it's really quite sad .. and he'll never be the best :D
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it may help .. but it still sucks .. he should just go to have a chat with vince mcMahon and dress up as some character in the ring .. he's an ass .. they can call him Jack
Jack Brock .. who wears a cock .. tattooed on his sunken chest .. he may act all bad but it's really quite sad .. and he'll never be the best :D
He already was the best and is currently ranked #2.
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He already was the best and is currently ranked #2.
"was" .. and won't be ever again
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"was" .. and won't be ever again
Just pointing out your error...Quite possible that he won't ever be again, but then again, he has already accomplished the seemingly impossible.
People love to watch the guy. I personally used to hate him, but looking at the big picture, why all the hate? He has earned his draw-power, and admittedly, not just in the UFC. The guy has put in the time. Like it or not. He could even be making as much or more money in the WWE, and most likely wouldn't get his ass beat as bad either...but he chose to fight.
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Just pointing out your error...Quite possible that he won't ever be again, but then again, he has already accomplished the seemingly impossible
it really wasn't an actual error .. I concede to the point he "was" given the title of the best ... once .. emphasis on "given" ;)
it's not really all that impossible .. luck has a way of occuring .. sometimes .. and too bad it's not always for the ones who "deserve" it
you edited your post as I was replying ... so let me say .. I don't "hate" .. I just think there's fighters who have paid dues and deserve the same amount of "hoopla" that the fat bastard got .. I don't like him .. his attitude sux and he's cocky and arrogant
he needs to take a page out of GSP's book and learn to be humble and genuine
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I think Lesnar has toned it down a bit actually. I too used to hate the gym due to his arrogance, but somehow, it grew on me and he was entertaining to watch. But i do think he was humbled by his beatdown by Carwin and then Cain.
As for GSP. He is a BORE to watch. Period. He doesn't finish fights and I think he style is dull. He would get thrashed by Silva at catchweight.
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it may help .. but it still sucks .. he should just go to have a chat with vince mcMahon and dress up as some character in the ring .. he's an ass .. they can call him Jack
Jack Brock .. who wears a cock .. tattooed on his sunken chest .. he may act all bad but it's really quite sad .. and he'll never be the best :D
damn you're hawt
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I think Lesnar has toned it down a bit actually. I too used to hate the gym due to his arrogance, but somehow, it grew on me and he was entertaining to watch. But i do think he was humbled by his beatdown by Carwin and then Cain.
As for GSP. He is a BORE to watch. Period. He doesn't finish fights and I think he style is dull. He would get thrashed by Silva at catchweight.
we can all have a different opinion .. and it's good .. I adore GSP not only for his skills . but because he's a man of integrity and respect .. I do find his fights entertaining and not boring at all .. I like to watch his grace from move to hold and so quickly with such ease .. Brock may have eaten a bit of humble pie .. but he's still the same man .. and those types don't change
damn you're hawt
lol... thanks yem .. you're quite the handsome hunk of man if I may say so .. ;)
I envy your wife :-*
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we can all have a different opinion .. and it's good .. I adore GSP not only for his skills . but because he's a man of integrity and respect .. I do find his fights entertaining and not boring at all .. I like to watch his grace from move to hold and so quickly with such ease .. Brock may have eaten a bit of humble pie .. but he's still the same man .. and those types don't change
lol... thanks yem .. you're quite the handsome hunk of man if I may say so .. ;)
I envy your wife :-*
The thing with Brock is, when he fights, you KNOW it's going to be an exciting fight. Outside of the Herring fight, which still was an exciting beatdown, all of his fights have had people on the edge of their seats. Brock fights, people watch. There IS a reason.
After GSP got caught greasing, I lost a TON of respect for him. He also plays it too safe for me to call him the best ever, or anywhere near that level. IMO most people watch GSP fight to see him lose.
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with lesnar as a coach, I'll be pretty surprised if this isn't the best TUF season yet let alone the most watched.
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The thing with Brock is, when he fights, you KNOW it's going to be an exciting fight. Outside of the Herring fight, which still was an exciting beatdown, all of his fights have had people on the edge of their seats. Brock fights, people watch. There IS a reason.
After GSP got caught greasing, I lost a TON of respect for him. He also plays it too safe for me to call him the best ever, or anywhere near that level. IMO most people watch GSP fight to see him lose.
I disagree again .. He didn't grease .. BJ was a baby and looking for an excuse to rationalise his loss in his own head ... I agree people will watch Brocks fights .. but not because he can fight really well and has fairly matched opponents.. it's because he has the size/strength advantage over many opponents and people want to see the brutality and blood
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I disagree again .. He didn't grease .. BJ was a baby and looking for an excuse to rationalise his loss in his own head ... I agree people will watch Brocks fights .. but not because he can fight really well and has fairly matched opponents.. it's because he has the size/strength advantage over many opponents and people want to see the brutality and blood
Let's be honest here W8M8... you just like GSP bc of his tight shorts and physique.
He is soo boring to watch. C'mon!
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I disagree again .. He didn't grease .. BJ was a baby and looking for an excuse to rationalise his loss in his own head ... I agree people will watch Brocks fights .. but not because he can fight really well and has fairly matched opponents.. it's because he has the size/strength advantage over many opponents and people want to see the brutality and blood
GSP DID grease...intentional or not, he did grease. There is a video as well
Take a look.
(http://free-zg.t-com.hr/bhz/mma/penn_vs_gsp/greasing2.gif)
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Let's be honest here W8M8... you just like GSP bc of his tight shorts and physique.
He is soo boring to watch. C'mon!
gimme a break .. he's got mad skills .. I'm so far from being that kind of female it's ridiculous .. I watch MMA to watch the fights
GSP DID grease...intentional or not, he did grease. There is a video as well
Take a look.
(http://free-zg.t-com.hr/bhz/mma/penn_vs_gsp/greasing2.gif)
That gif would give an epileptic a seizure .. I still don't believe he greased
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GSP is the man and IMO the best P4P fighter now and ever. Goddam I hope we can see the Anderson/GSP fight this year!!
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gsp is awesome
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GSP is the man and IMO the best P4P fighter now and ever. Goddam I hope we can see the Anderson/GSP fight this year!!
I concur !!
gsp is awesome
x2 migs
back to topic
I agree with Geo's post .. this may be one of the most watched seasons yet .. Jack Brock does have the ability to draw people in ... but watching GSP coach was extraordinary .. I will be interested to see how much "coaching" Lesnar actually does himself .. plus I want to see the interpersonal stuff that goes on with Dana and him .. how they talk to each other if it's friendly or strained in any way
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GSP is the man and IMO the best P4P fighter now and ever. Goddam I hope we can see the Anderson/GSP fight this year!!
Really? Even though he can't seem to finish anyone? And best EVER?
I think P4P its a toss between fedor or silva, with gsp next.
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Really? Even though he can't seem to finish anyone? And best EVER?
I think P4P its a toss between fedor or silva, with gsp next.
GSP is a great athlete, but he HAS lost while holding the belt. I don't really like Anderson Silva as a fighter, but I have to admit that he's most likely the best of all time. Not only has be faced the best of the best, he also dominates and almost makes it look like a game at times. Even though he got worked in the Sonnen fight, he showed that he never gives up and can take a serious beating. GSP vs Silva would be an epic fight....but whomever loses there will always be the weight issues as an excuse. Silva could say he lost too much weight, where GSP could say the opposite. Hard to say that this fight would determine the best P4P, but it would still be a great fight.
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Both GSP and Anderson have had stupid upsets in their career, and both managed to bounce back. GSP has avenged his only two losses soundly. Also, I believe that GSP has faced MUCH tougher competition in his division than Anderson has in his.
It's true that GSP has had a number of fights go to decision, but he absolutely dominated his opponents in those fights. Anderson got completely manhandled by Sonnen. That has not happened to GSP. Also, let's look at the stats. GSP has finished 62% of his fights (38% decision). Anderson has finished 75% of his fights (25% decision). So, there isn't a huge disparity in terms of finishing fights.
All that said, these P4P rankings are very subjective. The best way to settle it, is to get these guys in the cage!
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It's gonna be awesome when some 18 year old whitecastle employee that's doing TUF just to do something in life outstrikes
lesnar in training, ahahahaha
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Brock has plenty to teach. For example, he can show them how to run circles in the cage while avoiding blows and also the proper technique for curling up in the fetal position while someone rains punches down on you.
Afterwards, he'll take his team into the locker room and show them how to properly change their tampons.
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Brock has plenty to teach. For example, he can show them how to run circles in the cage while avoiding blows and also the proper technique for curling up in the fetal position while someone rains punches down on you.
Afterwards, he'll take his team into the locker room and show them how to properly change their tampons.
lol
he could prolly breakdance really good too :D
(http://www.upload3r.com/serve/241010/1287942756.gif)
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Brock has plenty to teach. For example, he can show them how to run circles in the cage while avoiding blows and also the proper technique for curling up in the fetal position while someone rains punches down on you.
Afterwards, he'll take his team into the locker room and show them how to properly change their tampons.
I would gather that not one of the guys on his TUF Team are complaining about having him as their coach.
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lol
he could prolly breakdance really good too :D
(http://www.upload3r.com/serve/241010/1287942756.gif)
Wouldn't put it past him, Brock is pretty nimble for a 300lb man.
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I'm not a big Lesnar fan, and anyone who has read my posts knows that I flame him any chance I get. That said, I think he comes off good on this interview and answers a lot of questions:
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OMG this interview is hillarious...talk about delusional clown..
'yeah I guess at some point we'll go back and analyze where it went wrong' - after being asked where did it go wrong vs. velasquez...
he's seriously fucked..
I now realize dana's move with putting him on tuf as a coach.. dana and the fertita's clearly see the writing on the wall, lesnar got exposed HARD, he's a joke and done, they definetly can't market him for ppv's anymore and he's still under contract so they might as well cut their loses, his name still interests people, so put him on tuf as a coach and let him dwindle away through the
cracks while the real fighters battle it out. Better then having him hiding away in dakota when they sunk all this money into his ass.
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Do you really think that the holes in his game aren't fixable though? Let's be honest about something, if they were, i.e. he was a better striker and could defend against the strike better, the guy is an absolute monster.
Look at Koz for example. He entered this sport as a wrestler, without striking ability. Now, a few years later, the guy is MUCh improved in that area.
Add those two components to Lesnars skill set, and he's a solid fighter.
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OMG this interview is hillarious...talk about delusional clown..
'yeah I guess at some point we'll go back and analyze where it went wrong' - after being asked where did it go wrong vs. velasquez...
he's seriously fucked..
I now realize dana's move with putting him on tuf as a coach.. dana and the fertita's clearly see the writing on the wall, lesnar got exposed HARD, he's a joke and done, they definetly can't market him for ppv's anymore and he's still under contract so they might as well cut their loses, his name still interests people, so put him on tuf as a coach and let him dwindle away through the
cracks while the real fighters battle it out. Better then having him hiding away in dakota when they sunk all this money into his ass.
Let me clue you in on something, Brock knows how to work the media. Don't dig too deep into what he says. Even with his loss to Cain, people will still pay to watch Brock. He was and is STILL MMA's biggest draw hands down. Brock not marketable....that's just plain foolish to say something like that.
Brock on the TUF has EVERYTHING to do with Cain being injured.
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OMG this interview is hillarious...talk about delusional clown..
'yeah I guess at some point we'll go back and analyze where it went wrong' - after being asked where did it go wrong vs. velasquez...
he's seriously fucked..
I now realize dana's move with putting him on tuf as a coach.. dana and the fertita's clearly see the writing on the wall, lesnar got exposed HARD, he's a joke and done, they definetly can't market him for ppv's anymore and he's still under contract so they might as well cut their loses, his name still interests people, so put him on tuf as a coach and let him dwindle away through the
cracks while the real fighters battle it out. Better then having him hiding away in dakota when they sunk all this money into his ass.
win, lose or draw Lesnar's gonna sell out PPV's for the next 4 years so get used to it Einstien.
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Do you really think that the holes in his game aren't fixable though? Let's be honest about something, if they were, i.e. he was a better striker and could defend against the strike better, the guy is an absolute monster.
Look at Koz for example. He entered this sport as a wrestler, without striking ability. Now, a few years later, the guy is MUCh improved in that area.
Add those two components to Lesnars skill set, and he's a solid fighter.
Kos just had sloppy stand-up but was comfortable in the line of fire. Brock has shitty stand up and is deathly afraid of getting hit. You can't teach that, you either have it or you don't, without that you will never evolve as a striker. He'll always fold when he encounters someone who can stuff his shot and throw a decent punch.
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Kos just had sloppy stand-up but was comfortable in the line of fire. Brock has shitty stand up and is deathly afraid of getting hit. You can't teach that, you either have it or you don't, without that you will never evolve as a striker. He'll always fold when he encounters someone who can stuff his shot and throw a decent punch.
agreed but let's be realistic,how many people have the skills,speed and strength to deny a charging Brock Lesnar ?
JDS has the hands, but I'd be surprised if he won't be totally fucked when or if Brock gets the fight against the fence...
with Carwin it's pretty much a 50/50 deal as they're both pretty even but there's that whole "cardio thing" with shane..
and ain't nobody beating Cain anytime soon because the kids a freak
and after that everyone takes a distant back seat to those 4 so what we've got is JDS,Carwin and Lesnar playing musical chair fors title contender for the next 3-4 years.,
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agreed but let's be realistic,how many people have the skills,speed and strength to deny a charging Brock Lesnar ?
JDS has the hands, but I'd be surprised if he won't be totally fucked when or if Brock gets the fight against the fence...
with Carwin it's pretty much a 50/50 deal as they're both pretty even but there's that whole "cardio thing" with shane..
and ain't nobody beating Cain anytime soon because the kids a freak
and after that everyone takes a distant back seat to those 4 so what we've got is JDS,Carwin and Lesnar playing musical chair fors title contender for the next 3-4 years.,
In the HW division the threats to Brock are the guys who are carrying a little weight, possess decent wrestling and have the ability to throw a punch. I think even Roy Nelson can beat Brock based on his given skill set, if Todd Duffee was still in the UFC he'd beat Brock. Basically if your strong,can wrestle and can ball your hand in to a fist and throw it, Brock will throw himself on the ground for you.
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I'm not a big Lesnar fan, and anyone who has read my posts knows that I flame him any chance I get. That said, I think he comes off good on this interview and answers a lot of questions:
First of all, that is a blatant lie. If I cared enough to do so, I would sift through the dozens of posts you made hailing Lesnar as the best HW in MMA, how he would beat Fedor, how him running away and hiding from Carwin was just like Lyoto Machida's defense etc.
Secondly, what else would you expect? He exposed himself as a complete and total joke-- a hypeman for Dana White's can factory. If he's stuck in the UFC for a short while longer until his contract expires, he might as well be affable and keep his name out their for the fans so he can earn more $$$ on the way out.
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In the HW division the threats to Brock are the guys who are carrying a little weight, possess decent wrestling and have the ability to throw a punch. I think even Roy Nelson can beat Brock based on his given skill set, if Todd Duffee was still in the UFC he'd beat Brock. Basically if your strong,can wrestle and can ball your hand in to a fist and throw it, Brock will throw himself on the ground for you.
lol...
that' s funny because for a minute there I thought you were trying to tell me Roy nelson or todd duffee could beat Lesnar...lol
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That's what he said. And he's 100% correct about Nelson. Duffee would definitely have a shot as well.
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agreed but let's be realistic,how many people have the skills,speed and strength to deny a charging Brock Lesnar ?
JDS has the hands, but I'd be surprised if he won't be totally fucked when or if Brock gets the fight against the fence...
with Carwin it's pretty much a 50/50 deal as they're both pretty even but there's that whole "cardio thing" with shane..
and ain't nobody beating Cain anytime soon because the kids a freak
and after that everyone takes a distant back seat to those 4 so what we've got is JDS,Carwin and Lesnar playing musical chair fors title contender for the next 3-4 years.,
LOL, I think we all saw how that went for Brock, even when he managed to get Velasquez down on his ass, Cain just popped right back up..and when he started throwing hands Brock must have nearly shit himself, it's pretty laughable to watch a guy 50 lbs smaller annihilate your super heavyweight clown, at will. Seriously at complete will, just complete domination
you guys are smoking crack if you think he's somehow going to come back and beat Velsasquez, he doesn't even belong in the same arena as Velasquez.
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lol...
that' s funny because for a minute there I thought you were trying to tell me Roy nelson or todd duffee could beat Lesnar...lol
That's funny for a minute there i almost thought you didn't have a homosexual crush on a guy that is deathly afraid of being hit and is a one trick pony. By the way WWE called, they said remind Geo Royal Rumble is right around the corner.
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That's what he said. And he's 100% correct about Nelson. Duffee would definitely have a shot as well.
Would never happen. Lesnar would maul him.
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That's funny for a minute there i almost thought you didn't have a homosexual crush on a guy that is deathly afraid of being hit and is a one trick pony. By the way WWE called, they said remind Geo Royal Rumble is right around the corner.
Duffee over Lesnar ?
sweeet !
;D
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In the HW division the threats to Brock are the guys who are carrying a little weight, possess decent wrestling and have the ability to throw a punch. I think even Roy Nelson can beat Brock based on his given skill set, if Todd Duffee was still in the UFC he'd beat Brock. Basically if your strong,can wrestle and can ball your hand in to a fist and throw it, Brock will throw himself on the ground for you.
Carwin possessed all of these traits and couldn't pull it off.....as did Mir and Randy too.
Invalid point. You Brock jealousy is apparent.
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GSP is the man and IMO the best P4P fighter now and ever. Goddam I hope we can see the Anderson/GSP fight this year!!
anderson is a week away from getting KO'd in the 1st rd
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Carwin possessed all of these traits and couldn't pull it off.....as did Mir and Randy too.
Invalid point. You Brock jealousy is apparent.
it's official term is "bitter ex moderator syndrome".
:D
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That's funny for a minute there i almost thought you didn't have a homosexual crush on a guy that is deathly afraid of being hit and is a one trick pony. By the way WWE called, they said remind Geo Royal Rumble is right around the corner.
For a minute there I thought you had stopped with the immature homo Dick N Ball talk. My bad.
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it's official term is "bitter ex moderator syndrome".
:D
LOL....
I guess there is no cure for being de-modded. Might ease his pain if he didn't revisit this place.
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Carwin possessed all of these traits and couldn't pull it off.....as did Mir and Randy too.
Invalid point. You Brock jealousy is apparent.
Mir said himself he's been unable to wrestle at 100% ever since his accident. Randy is NOT carrying weight and is a glorified Lhw. Carwin
ragdolled lesnar and showed us all how scared brock gets when fists fly at him. I find it funny that most of the guys hes gonna be "coaching"will have more fights and less fear of being hit than your hero. You guys should start your own tuf newb brocksucker fan club......... Wait a minute,u already did.
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Mir said himself he's been unable to wrestle at 100% ever since his accident. Randy is NOT carrying weight and is a glorified Lhw. Carwin
ragdolled lesnar and showed us all how scared brock gets when fists fly at him. I find it funny that most of the guys hes gonna be "coaching"will have more fights and less fear of being hit than your hero. You guys should start your own tuf newb brocksucker fan club......... Wait a minute,u already did.
None of the guys he is "coaching" have held the belt in a TOP MMA org in the world or are ranked #2 in the world in their weightclass either, are they?
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None of the guys he is "coaching" have held the belt in a TOP MMA org in the world or are ranked #2 in the world in their weightclass either, are they?
This calls for a word: circumstance
under what circumstances did Lesnar hold the belt ??... look at the guys he beat to get that belt, kind of says it all..the UFC HW belt doesn't quite have the prestige it used to.
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This calls for a word: circumstance
under what circumstances did Lesnar hold the belt ??... look at the guys he beat to get that belt, kind of says it all..the UFC HW belt doesn't quite have the prestige it used to.
It's never had prestige...do you know no one has succesfully defended the HW belt more than twice consecutively in the entire history of the UFC...
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This calls for a word: circumstance
under what circumstances did Lesnar hold the belt ??... look at the guys he beat to get that belt, kind of says it all..the UFC HW belt doesn't quite have the prestige it used to.
So when Sylvia held it it had a lot of prestige?
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Mir said himself he's been unable to wrestle at 100% ever since his accident. Randy is NOT carrying weight and is a glorified Lhw. Carwin
ragdolled lesnar and showed us all how scared brock gets when fists fly at him. I find it funny that most of the guys hes gonna be "coaching"will have more fights and less fear of being hit than your hero. You guys should start your own tuf newb brocksucker fan club......... Wait a minute,u already did.
calm down princess. it's not that important ::) This is a reality TV show and Lesnar is going to bring the ratings...get it?
That said, he has about the same number of fights as JDS, a capable coaching staff and lots of wrestling knowledge he can share. Stop being such a hater...
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He already was the best and is currently ranked #2.
and how was he ever ranked #1 just fighting the cans he did?...why in the hell is he still #2?...the guy has never defeated a credible fighter....randy was/is waaaayyy past his prime so dont even try that shit...
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and how was he ever ranked #1 just fighting the cans he did?...why in the hell is he still #2?...the guy has never defeated a credible fighter....randy was/is waaaayyy past his prime so dont even try that shit...
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Past his prime? Perhaps. But not credible? Please.
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and how was he ever ranked #1 just fighting the cans he did?...why in the hell is he still #2?...the guy has never defeated a credible fighter....randy was/is waaaayyy past his prime so dont even try that shit...
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I don't make the rankings. The UFC does not make the rankings. Get over it....Brock was ranked #1 and is now ranked #2.
You act like the Brock's fight with Randy is what placed him in the #1 or #2 spot. You got to look at the big picture.
You have to realize the UFC's talent carries a lot of respect in these rankings. Look at Nick Diaz, he's a great exciting fighter, but at the same time, look at the talent level he is facing outside of the UFC. It leaves you with a lot of questions about how good he really is.
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How exactly is Lesnar supposed to 'coach' and 'teach' others how to fight, when he does not know how to fight himself?
This is quite funny actually. I was waiting for someone to say this about JDS. Ive personally talked with JDS on 3 separate occasions and his English is horrible. That being said this show is only really 5-6 weeks long depending on when they actually start training. Its funny how a lot of people think these fighters learn so much while they are there. These guys actually do not have that much training while they are there. Ive spoke to several fighters that were actually in the house after the fact and they pretty much said the same thing. We don't get as much training as you guys think. To prove a point take a fighter that was on the show that we all think pretty much sucked. Then wait till they come back for the finale and notice how much of an improvement they have made in those following months. No one goes onto the show and when they leave in 6 weeks have marked improvement. Its all done at the camps after the show.
Take Rampage for example. Page even said he knows nothing about coaching. He is a fighter. He said that several times on the show and after as well. Now I can't stand Brock at all. But that being said, Brock does have the skill set to give a fighter some advice. Is he gonna dramatically change a fighter in 6 weeks? No. No one is. JDS included even with his Blackhouse team behind him. This is a reality show where you have to be a fighter BEFORE you join the cast. In 6 weeks very little will change and in some cases the show actually screwed up a fighter from altering training.
The things that both can teach would be things you don't even think of. If I was a young fighter on the show I would be picking their brains about other things. Like weight cutting, (not that JDS does this but Brock does and so does team Blackhouse). The lights in the octagon, (they are really bright and in some cases you can get what's called sunspots from looking in the lights. Ask Vera why he didn't see that elbow from Bones coming and he'll tell you). How to handle adrenaline to use it to your advantage (this is huge and both fighters have been on the big stage). How to handle the press and interviews while in a caloric and water restricted state (once again no one thinks about behind the scenes stuff all they see is how a fighter does inside the octagon). How to handle the crowd and outside influence (once again both fighters have been in these situations). When to warm up backstage and how to stay focused (timing is critical). The order in which you are gonna fight. (the Octagon's surface changes as the night goes on. The canvas changes feeling as the night progresses. Take Mirko for example. He said when he first walked in the cage is was very grippy but when he fought JDS the surface was like glass). Also what type of foods to eat throughout the day for maximum energy without feeling full or having to take a shit when you step in the cage (ask Monson about this one. Shit his pants pretty bad). Once again No one thinks about these things. Everyone just sees a fighter when he enters the cage. There is a lot more about fighting on this level than most really know.
There are many others I can think of after seeing this first hand. I understand everyone always likes to think that these fighters are miraculously changed but they aren't. More often than not they get 1-2 hours a day 5-6 days a week and some days you are by yourself because the coaching staff is getting their fighter ready and you are on the back burner. If I was one of the younger guys I'd be picking their brains about the things people never think of.
Just my .02
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Past his prime? Perhaps. But not credible? Please.
5 years ago he was a credible opponent.....now he is nothing but a credible coach...I don't make the rankings. The UFC does not make the rankings. Get over it....Brock was ranked #1 and is now ranked #2.
You act like the Brock's fight with Randy is what placed him in the #1 or #2 spot. You got to look at the big picture.
You have to realize the UFC's talent carries a lot of respect in these rankings. Look at Nick Diaz, he's a great exciting fighter, but at the same time, look at the talent level he is facing outside of the UFC. It leaves you with a lot of questions about how good he really is.
then who was it that raised his ranking?...was it his loss to mir?...was it beating mir?..was it beating the can known as carwin?...was it getting his ass stomped by cain?
you are right..you got to look at the big picture...he has beat no one important, or name worthy, and is the biggest publicity stunt in combat sprt history...
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benchmstr laying out some savage ownings.
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benchmstr laying out some savage ownings.
nah..they will just come back saying "the ufc doesnt make the rankings"...and thats bullshit...hell, those same rankings have been purchased, and sold in boxing for years to the highest bidder...mma is no different....
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calm down princess. it's not that important ::) This is a reality TV show and Lesnar is going to bring the ratings...get it?
That said, he has about the same number of fights as JDS, a capable coaching staff and lots of wrestling knowledge he can share. Stop being such a hater...
Dana's milking what's left of that one trick pony since it's obvious he will never hold the belt again.
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nah..they will just come back saying "the ufc doesnt make the rankings"...and thats bullshit...hell, those same rankings have been purchased, and sold in boxing for years to the highest bidder...mma is no different....
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pretty idiotic/funny comparison even by your standards.
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Dana's milking what's left of that one trick pony since it's obvious he will never hold the belt again.
where the fuck have you been asswipe ?
that's the promoters job dickhead !
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pretty idiotic/funny comparison even by your standards.
wow, amazing arguement you got there ::)
you are a fool with no counter, or prospective on the matter...so you just make a blanket statement...oh, i feel so owned...beter luck next time old man..
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nah..they will just come back saying "the ufc doesnt make the rankings"...and thats bullshit...
go ahead kid ..
it's showtime...
feel free to post official UFC rankings..
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nah..they will just come back saying "the ufc doesnt make the rankings"...and thats bullshit...hell, those same rankings have been purchased, and sold in boxing for years to the highest bidder...mma is no different....
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So now you are saying the MMA rankings are fixed? Oh brother ::)
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Dana's milking what's left of that one trick pony since it's obvious he will never hold the belt again.
How dare Dana/UFC try to make money ::)...Brock is MMA's biggest draw. Love it or hate it, that's a fact.
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Brock is just being set up to fail, he can only get brutalized and forced into girlie runs and fetal positions so many times before people quit caring about a giant Viking who's afraid of fists (Although I am starting to enjoy watching such a big guy cower in fear once he catches live fire lol, it's good tv.)
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GSP is the man and IMO the best P4P fighter now and ever. Goddam I hope we can see the Anderson/GSP fight this year!!
You and me both!!!!