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Title: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 18, 2005, 01:58:04 PM
I am honored to present here part of the personal photo collection of Dave Mastorakis.Dave has given me premission so please all enjoy.
Here's Dave.....
Dave may check in from time to time so if you have any questions fire away.




Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 18, 2005, 02:02:15 PM
Dave lived in the LA area for quite some time , Onlyme ever run into Dave ?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 18, 2005, 02:04:52 PM
Dave with a couple of his old buddies. No GH bellies here :o


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bossa on August 18, 2005, 02:12:52 PM
GREAT physique!  How about a basic overview of his training style?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 18, 2005, 02:25:27 PM
Here's Dave with a SuperStar of the 60s.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 18, 2005, 02:28:02 PM
GREAT physique!  How about a basic overview of his training style?

Hint, he trained in the same fashion as his best friend in one of the above pics.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: onlyme on August 18, 2005, 04:38:07 PM
I don't him but I do think I have seen him at the gym or even at the club I worked at.  But his face looks very familar.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Lord Humungous on August 19, 2005, 05:00:18 AM
Here's Dave with a SuperStar of the 60s.

Bix tell me you didnt just say "a Superstar"

The guy in the suit is Marvin Elder one of the naturally strongest men of all time. Marvin could bench over 500lbs and do dips with 300lbs strapped to his waist.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Dreadlifter on August 19, 2005, 09:27:28 AM
It looks like Harold Poole to me.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: onlyme on August 19, 2005, 10:38:12 AM
I seems doing dips and chins with 300 lbs. around the waist was popular back then.  Roy Callendar used to do dips and chins with 2 150 db's around his waist.  Bill Pettis used to do dips that way back then.   I tried and failed.  But I could do sets of 50 by myself.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: JimmyThomson on August 19, 2005, 10:43:47 AM
The guy wearing his little brother's jacket is indeed Harold Poole.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Lord Humungous on August 19, 2005, 10:57:23 AM
I have been know to be wrong you know :-[


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: 619Rules on August 19, 2005, 03:44:45 PM
It looks like Harold Poole to me.
Looks like Harold to me too-big dude, little waist......the good old days, no gorilla bellie.

Roy Callendar was famous for doing those pullups with the big dumbbells straped to him. I have done dips with 100+bells, but pullups are out of the question. Actually, in my prime I could only get 18-20 clean pullupswith my own  bodyweight-today I bet O could only get 2-3.... :'(


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Lord Humungous on August 19, 2005, 04:55:21 PM
It is Harold Poole- I had the right guy with the wrong name- very strong cat back in the day


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 19, 2005, 07:29:18 PM
It is Harold Poole- I had the right guy with the wrong name- very strong cat back in the day

Yes that is Harold aka Damian.

Dave himself was no weakling....



Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 19, 2005, 07:31:17 PM
More Poole...



Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Flex 215 on August 20, 2005, 02:20:09 PM
A young Dave Mastorakis asks Harold Poole " Hey Mr. Poole, that's a really nice suit. Does that come in your size?" :D


      Bix, is that Mike Mentzer in the one photo with Dave? Is that the friend whose training style he emulated?

      Also, wasn't Mastorakis supposed to have been a natural?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: JimmyThomson on August 20, 2005, 04:45:10 PM
Lord Humungous you are right about Marvin Elder being the strongest guy of his time. Also one of the greatest physiques but the times were not kind to him if you know what I mean.
I started competing in the early 1960's and remember the bad old days of the AAU when the black guys stood no chance under Hoffman. Thank god for Weider.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 20, 2005, 05:37:29 PM
A young Dave Mastorakis asks Harold Poole " Hey Mr. Poole, that's a really nice suit. Does that come in your size?" :D


      Bix, is that Mike Mentzer in the one photo with Dave? Is that the friend whose training style he emulated?

      Also, wasn't Mastorakis supposed to have been a natural?




Bix, is that Mike Mentzer in the one photo with Dave? Is that the friend whose training style he emulated?  yes


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 21, 2005, 01:39:53 PM
Another one of Dave's old buddies ...


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: 619Rules on August 21, 2005, 03:27:02 PM
Another one of Dave's old buddies ...

Love the old Nautilus Multi-Pupose machine........dot see Nautilus around much these days, and their newer equipment sucks donkey dicks.... ;D


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on August 21, 2005, 07:08:29 PM
Love the old Nautilus Multi-Pupose machine........dot see Nautilus around much these days, and their newer equipment sucks donkey dicks.... ;D


I know a guy thats selling one of those exact machines.

When I saw it...I couldn't believe it


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Lord Humungous on August 22, 2005, 05:19:51 AM
Lord Humungous you are right about Marvin Elder being the strongest guy of his time. Also one of the greatest physiques but the times were not kind to him if you know what I mean.
I started competing in the early 1960's and remember the bad old days of the AAU when the black guys stood no chance under Hoffman. Thank god for Weider.

Jimmy,

Ive heard some stores about hoffman being partial to white BBers. Im not sure but I think I read a interview from Sergio Oliva saying that Bob was a flat out racist. I never thought Elder looked that "black" to me in some pictures ive seen.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 22, 2005, 05:08:48 PM
Dave up against some stiff competition..


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 22, 2005, 05:12:20 PM
His best friend again....


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on August 22, 2005, 05:14:45 PM
Hid best friend again....

is he pigeon toed....or is it the way he's posing?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bossa on August 22, 2005, 05:29:30 PM
Hid best friend again....

Damn he had a good, athletic looking build...I wish I could stay that lean year round and maintain size :'(


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: onlyme on August 22, 2005, 06:26:46 PM
I talked to Pete the other day and told him about this thread.  he competed with Dave in New York I think he said.  Does anyone have pics of that contest where Pete is in it too.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Lord Humungous on August 23, 2005, 05:32:34 AM
Damn he had a good, athletic looking build...I wish I could stay that lean year round and maintain size :'(
i wish I could get that lean once a year   ;D


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 23, 2005, 04:18:10 PM
I talked to Pete the other day and told him about this thread.  he competed with Dave in New York I think he said.  Does anyone have pics of that contest where Pete is in it too.

Ya I'd love to see pics from that show.

Onlyme, where is Pete living these days ?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: onlyme on August 23, 2005, 07:04:14 PM
Still in that beautiful place called Victorville.  I have no idea why he likes it there.  He has a condo here but hasn't been here in about 4 years.  He was down in Costa Rica when he found out his wife was pregnant so he came back to the US.  He has a place in Vegas too.  But he will be staying at the Orleans for the Olympia.  He sound really good.  You know he is about 80 pounds lighter than when he competed.  SO look out for him at the Olympia.  If I go I'll be right next to him most of the time.  Don't if we'll go to the night show.  He might, I don't care either way.  He gets his free tickets and I get mine so who knows.  I may stick my head in.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 23, 2005, 07:22:58 PM
Wide?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: 619Rules on August 23, 2005, 10:23:23 PM
Jimmy,

Ive heard some stores about hoffman being partial to white BBers. Im not sure but I think I read a interview from Sergio Oliva saying that Bob was a flat out racist. I never thought Elder looked that "black" to me in some pictures ive seen.

Hoffman was a full on racist, no black man ever won when he put on a show.

That is one area Joe Weider really put BBing on the map. Weider did not discriminate at all, and he never would tolerate that in his shows/judging.

Ricky Wayne was always a top writer for Weider, and also competed in Weider shows, and he really sticks up for Weider when it comes to race relations.

Ask Robby-he used Robbies upper body as a model for his muscle man bust ;D


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bossa on August 24, 2005, 07:34:46 AM
Bix, did he and Mentzer stay friends through the 80's and 90's? What is he up to now?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on August 24, 2005, 09:05:58 AM
Still in that beautiful place called Victorville.  I have no idea why he likes it there.  He has a condo here but hasn't been here in about 4 years.  He was down in Costa Rica when he found out his wife was pregnant so he came back to the US.  He has a place in Vegas too.  But he will be staying at the Orleans for the Olympia.  He sound really good.  You know he is about 80 pounds lighter than when he competed.  SO look out for him at the Olympia.  If I go I'll be right next to him most of the time.  Don't if we'll go to the night show.  He might, I don't care either way.  He gets his free tickets and I get mine so who knows.  I may stick my head in.

Victorville is a growing place.  I know it's hard to believe, but in the last 2 years the growth is phenomenal.  I still wouldn't live there....but some like it.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Lord Humungous on August 24, 2005, 09:28:55 AM
Anyone have any cool pics of Freddy Ortiz? That cat was jacked for back in the day.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: DekeP on August 24, 2005, 10:39:05 AM
Chris Dickerson and Jim Morris, who of course are black, won the 1970 and 1973 AAU Mr. America contests respectively back when it when it was under Hoffman's control.   Dickerson, in fact, was the first African American ever to win the AAU's Mr. America title. 

Nevertheless, Hoffman was indeed a racist, a political reactionary, and as generally shady in all his dealings as the Weider brothers ever were.  That--and Hoffman's at one time very successful magazines--is probably why the Weiders detested him so much; they realized he was even more of a scoundrel than they were. 

The full story of Hoffman's York empire and its primary influence on the era's iron game is fasinatingly told in John Fair's masterly "Muscletown USA: Bob Hoffman and the Manly Culture of York Barbell.   It's in paperback from Penn State University Press, and last I looked it was available on Amazon.  For my money, it's an essential book in bodybuilding history.   


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: onlyme on August 24, 2005, 11:08:15 AM
freddy


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 24, 2005, 12:16:07 PM
Freddy


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 24, 2005, 12:20:30 PM
Not to sound bossy and all but can we keep this thread limited to just pics from Dave's collection?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Lord Humungous on August 24, 2005, 12:53:29 PM
What ever you want bix   :-\


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: 619Rules on August 24, 2005, 01:31:12 PM
Chris Dickerson and Jim Morris, who of course are black, won the 1970 and 1973 AAU Mr. America contests respectively back when it when it was under Hoffman's control.   Dickerson, in fact, was the first African American ever to win the AAU's Mr. America title. 


What year was that-1970-how long were blacks competeing in the AAU-since 1939- so saying that b/c Dickerson won in 1970 in no way vindicated Hoffman-Hoffman was probably not even involved at that time.

Sorry Bossa-I will stick to Dave on all other posts here!

Dave looks fantastic in his shots here! The one of Mentzer is very impressive also.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 24, 2005, 01:48:36 PM
What ever you want bix   :-\

Well the title to this thread is "Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis"  ;D


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 24, 2005, 04:10:39 PM
Anybody know this guy?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Dan-O on August 24, 2005, 04:43:02 PM
Anybody know this guy?

Marty Vranicar?

Or John Terilli?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 24, 2005, 05:48:19 PM
Dave's going to have to answer this one , I 'm not sure but I think he has a french name .


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: onlyme on August 24, 2005, 06:42:46 PM
Quote
Well the title to this thread is "Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis"   



Bix that didn't last long


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: 619Rules on August 24, 2005, 08:08:13 PM
Anybody know this guy?

That looks like John Terrili to me!


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 25, 2005, 03:24:53 PM



Bix that didn't last long

Onlyme,
It will last long , I've got 90 some odd more pics to post. ;D


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 25, 2005, 03:27:26 PM
A couple of power houses...


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: 619Rules on August 25, 2005, 04:23:52 PM
Franco and Waller from the original Golds Gym.......


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 25, 2005, 04:37:27 PM
Franco and Waller from the original Golds Gym.......

Not Waller, he never had triceps that thick.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on August 25, 2005, 06:38:19 PM
Paul Grant?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: 619Rules on August 25, 2005, 11:28:58 PM
Not Waller, he never had triceps that thick.

Those tri's are looking big, I dont think it is Paul Grant-Waller had Grant on size everywhere- including tri's......


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: JPM on August 26, 2005, 09:06:03 AM
Marvin Eder was a Jewish gentleman from NY (The Bronx I believe) who was not only super strong in the weighted dip & chin department but was also a very heavy military presser. His BB curling was way up there also.  At that time , I've been told, the east coast BB'ers were more into the basic lifts like the dip, chin, etc with fewer sets. Lou Digni (misspelled) was another east coast BB'er with great potentional but had more interest getting into the movies out here than taking advantage of his superior BB'ing gifts.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: 619Rules on August 26, 2005, 12:10:43 PM
Lou Digni  (misspelled) was another east coast BB'er with great potentional but had more interest getting into the movies out here than taking advantage of his superior BB'ing gifts.

He played Hercules didn't he?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: JPM on August 26, 2005, 04:10:00 PM
I heard that Lou Digni (spell?) was in a few Italian muscle flicks but some were so bad they never reached the main movie houses here  but mostly the drive in's when they had drive in's. That what's happen to a lot of Reg Park's movies made in Italy. I one's I saw were really bad but some of those Italian actress were hot. Had some old muscle mag's given to me when I was a kid and Digni really looked top rate.

We need some old vet's who were around the Italian movie lot's when some of these sand & sandel flicks were being made. Heard there was some wild times on those sets. And I think some were made in Spain like most of the old Clint Eastwood western were made by Italian conpanys. Any Italian verson of stuntman, Bix, onlyme, etc out there?  And has anyone ever heard of a character named ED Fury who hung around the old muscle beach? My uncles said he was a whack job but funny in a strange way never the less.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Reno on August 26, 2005, 04:32:27 PM
         The bodybuilder doing the front lat spread is Gabe Broudreaux . the scene with Franco is Mentzer [ Mike] doing a barbell curl pumping up.
          In 85 I spoke with Mentzer about Masterakis and he said they had a falling out and didn't associate any longer. Just 2 weeks before his passing I had made arrangements to come to LA to visit Mike and I asked him the same question about Masterakis in which I received the same response- hadn't seen him in years.
           I find it uninspiring that Masterakis never even sent a remembrance to Mentzer's web site apon his and Ray's passing.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 27, 2005, 05:44:58 AM
The younger Mentzer...


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 27, 2005, 05:49:52 AM
Guess posing at the 1978 Mr. New Hampshire. I was there and couldn't believe the size of Dave's forearms,incredible.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 28, 2005, 05:47:58 AM
         The bodybuilder doing the front lat spread is Gabe Broudreaux . the scene with Franco is Mentzer [ Mike] doing a barbell curl pumping up.
          In 85 I spoke with Mentzer about Masterakis and he said they had a falling out and didn't associate any longer. Just 2 weeks before his passing I had made arrangements to come to LA to visit Mike and I asked him the same question about Masterakis in which I received the same response- hadn't seen him in years.
           I find it uninspiring that Masterakis never even sent a remembrance to Mentzer's web site apon his and Ray's passing.


Here's the truth straight from Dave MASStorakis...


Larry,
Who wrote the quote?  In 1985 Mike was in a crazy state of mind.  One night Julie his at this time girl friend
was being stalked by Mike so she spent the night with me in my appartment.  Mike was crazy with jealous and left me a message which could have frozen hell.  He forgave me about two years later when he realized I had done nothing wrong.
He gave me his entire clientele in 1994 when he was getting out of the personal training business. One night when Dorian was in town Mike rented a limo and he, Ray, Dorian, his wife and myself drove all around Beverly Hills,  Malibu and Santa Monica.
Many times he would invite me out for dinner.  One Thanksgiving about 1996 0r so he spent the entire day with my friends and family.
We would talk about the fact that we had been friends for so long about 35 years or so. When I moved away we spoke several times before he died. We spoke in April just two months before he died.  He told me that he was gong to donate his kidney to Ray but they discovered that his blood was clotting, so they put him on a blood thinner.  This stopped the surgery for a while.  Ray was very disappointed. Mike had just had surgery to unpinch a nerve in his neck. We spoke on the phone for about one hour.
Regarding my never writing any thing on his sight.  Well most people do not know that for months after their death I was going to be a speaker at their memorial services. I was in constant contact with his sister in PA. This kept getting posponed.  Well it never happened.  I felt for me the services would have been the best time to say my feelings about my two best friends since we were  15 years old.  I would read the messages posted on the sight and most of them seemed to continue the  rage between the HIT believers and the Non believers.  Only a few spoke from their hearts.  It seemed to me the ones who knew and loved them did not use that forum.  So I choose not to.  This person's responce is exactly the reason I DID NOT.  No one really knew my relationship with Mike except Mike and of course Ray. Let people say what they want to. I remember the early years when we would go the the movies or listen to Cheech and Chong records or just talk for hours about the future. That is the Mike Mentzer I remember the person.  His sence of humor and his intensity about life were non-compromising.
Larry I do not wish to debate this subject but feel free to quote me or use it in its entirety.
I could go on and on as you have seen me do on IronAge.  Enough is enough!!!!
Dave


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on August 28, 2005, 10:03:10 AM
He seems to set the record straight


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: 619Rules on August 28, 2005, 01:58:40 PM
Dave set the record straight-from the source no less.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 29, 2005, 05:19:48 PM
Got calves ?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 31, 2005, 03:04:37 PM
Big Mike checking out his own arms .


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 31, 2005, 03:07:05 PM
Arnold at Mt Park 1974


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on August 31, 2005, 03:09:07 PM
Good old Casey


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on August 31, 2005, 03:41:22 PM
those old Nautilus Machines are classic


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 01, 2005, 03:30:34 PM
Here's that skinny guy....


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Tombo on September 01, 2005, 06:07:56 PM
Great pictures... the little guy sure was built like a brick shithouse.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: 619Rules on September 01, 2005, 10:45:12 PM
Good old Casey

Naultilus Double Shoulder and Double Chest-I oved both of those machines....and you know the funniest part of that pic......see te wood paneling on the walls......thats how all the old gyms were!


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on September 02, 2005, 07:25:54 AM
Casey was thick even as a teen if I remember correctly.


great observation for the youngest Mr America


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 02, 2005, 02:27:12 PM
Dave's business card.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on September 03, 2005, 01:49:39 PM
even the business card is cool.  8)

It's ok.....

I've seen better

 :-\


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: stuntmovie on September 05, 2005, 03:35:31 PM
JPM, Yea, I knew Ed Fury. At least I met him a couple of times. Hs real name was/is Ed Holvochik if I recall correctly and he was a very impressive bodybuilder in his time ( 50's - early 60's?)

The last time I ALMOST ran into Ed was while he was appearing in some kind of show in San Francisco. Never did get the chance at that time to look him up though.

I believe there are some photos of him on one of the better web sites. I'lldo some research.

Good to hear that name again And Lou Degni too!


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 06, 2005, 10:34:30 AM
OK, lets get back on topic here  :)


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: tony b on September 07, 2005, 02:40:13 AM
Naultilus Double Shoulder and Double Chest-I oved both of those machines....and you know the funniest part of that pic......see te wood paneling on the walls......thats how all the old gyms were!

Lol we still got that shoulder machine at my gym as well as the old style pullover machines. They still work perfectly


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 16, 2005, 12:33:39 PM
OK I'm BACK  ;D
I had not thought to tell ya all but  the pics I'm posting except for the ones of Dave , Dave took  so I'm sure there may be some stories behind them . Again any questions for Dave ?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on September 16, 2005, 12:56:49 PM
good picture of Roger


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: 619Rules on September 16, 2005, 02:34:09 PM
Roger C has the slight X-mas tree coming in, but not there just yet.

Roger tried to make a come back in the IFBB-I think it must have been in the 1980's-late 80's-can't rcall. But anyway, the competition had long surpassed his physique of the 70's and he dropped out of the show beofre the prejudging final posing round -b/c he knew he was geting killed.

I always felt sort of bad about that-he skipped the night show obviously.



Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: BigRonAbston on September 17, 2005, 07:33:46 AM
wonder how much sauce Casey was slamming when he was 16, 17 18 years old?

My buddie who lives in Arizona has trained with Casey. Said he has some weird training philosophies. Plus my friend said he was a major drug abuser-as in smoking coke!

Crazy life of a pro BBer for the 80's....

What type of statement is this? You have no right to accuse someone of doing hard drugs ( or anything else ) with out proof.

619, every post I read of your is like those a child might write . . . poor grammer, inappropriate punctuation and nothing but foolish bashing.

What next? " My daddy can beat up your daddy . . ." why don't you grow up, son.

Big Ronnie Abston


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 17, 2005, 02:09:53 PM
Like the fro ?


(http://tinypic.com/dqjj9f)


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: onlyme on September 17, 2005, 06:36:24 PM
Explain to me how to post pics now


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: stuntmovie on September 17, 2005, 08:45:01 PM
Yes, it doesn't work for me either. Something must be "fulled up".


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: powerforward on September 18, 2005, 06:08:50 AM
what was dave's training like? i assume mentzer style, but was it more like mentzer expoused in his earlier days/ or more like in his latter writings?
i would love to see a detailed training outline and diet/nutrition plan that dave used.

 pic's look great btw, thanks for sharing.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 18, 2005, 08:36:52 AM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on September 18, 2005, 09:57:27 AM
Explain to me how to post pics now

When you go to make a post....under wear you type it says "Free Image with TinyPic.com Upload, Copy BB Link & Paste

it's pretty simple.

What I do is once I "host" the image is copy & paste the one next to IMG.....paste that address under what you write & presto....image will be there.



Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Geo on September 18, 2005, 11:35:53 AM
When you go to make a post....under wear you type it says "Free Image with TinyPic.com Upload, Copy BB Link & Paste

it's pretty simple.

What I do is once I "host" the image is copy & paste the one next to IMG.....paste that address under what you write & presto....image will be there.



you said underwear !



lololz


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on September 18, 2005, 11:52:29 AM
you said underwear !



lololz

lololoz


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 19, 2005, 04:03:18 PM
Please take your fights elswhere...


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on September 19, 2005, 04:10:24 PM
Please take your fights elswhere...

I agree.

Great Shot of Zane, Big Lou, & Arnold.

74' Was Arnolds best year but man.....if Big Lou just had some decent wheels Arnold could've had some competition in the 70's


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Madam X on September 20, 2005, 10:53:30 AM
Classic picture, the last one that is, we look forward to more and more of the same, thank you very much Bix!


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 20, 2005, 11:06:15 AM
Classic picture, the last one that is, we look forward to more and more of the same, thank you very much Bix!
The real thanks goes to Big Dave himself, I'm just the messenger  ;)


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 20, 2005, 11:08:04 AM
Another Giant Killer...


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 20, 2005, 05:26:05 PM
78 Jr. Mr A ?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 20, 2005, 05:27:42 PM
74 Mr. A short class


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 20, 2005, 05:29:14 PM
1978


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 20, 2005, 05:31:21 PM
The ever smiling Myth.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 20, 2005, 05:33:32 PM
Photo shoot with Denie at Jubinville Equipment warehouse...


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 20, 2005, 05:35:29 PM
The little brother...


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on September 20, 2005, 08:21:32 PM
awesome pictures......



simply awesome


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 22, 2005, 01:53:51 PM
It may be a few days before I get any more up . My internet account may be down for a bit  :(


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 29, 2005, 11:56:08 AM
I'm back  ;D


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 30, 2005, 05:07:12 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on October 01, 2005, 07:28:45 AM
Those old Nautilus Machines are great   


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 01, 2005, 03:29:37 PM
One of the best backs of the day ....


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 02, 2005, 04:13:27 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 04, 2005, 04:54:27 PM
Two power houses ....


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 06, 2005, 06:09:54 PM
Any one guess this guy ?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 07, 2005, 04:58:18 PM
Two Giant killers


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on October 08, 2005, 09:02:33 AM
 :)


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 08, 2005, 10:30:48 AM
There's no way that Eddie should have beaten Dave at that contest .


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: 619Rules on October 08, 2005, 10:46:43 AM
Eddie has been the manager of World Gym (Santa Monica/Venice/Marina Del Rey) for 25+ years now.

He is a great guy, and is very well repected!


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 08, 2005, 11:07:30 AM
Eddie has been the manager of World Gym (Santa Monica/Venice/Marina Del Rey) for 25+ years now.

He is a great guy, and is very well repected!

I have no reason to think otherwise  but I'm just saying he shouldn't have beaten Dave .


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on October 08, 2005, 11:33:11 AM
 ;)


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: onlyme on October 08, 2005, 11:47:41 PM
Eddie and Chief both worked the front desk at the Original World Gym when I went back in 79' thru 83'


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 09, 2005, 04:45:44 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 11, 2005, 05:05:17 PM
The next few scans are from Dave's Jr.Mr.America short class  win 1978.


(http://tinypic.com/ei7d4p.jpg)

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=ei7d4p


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 11, 2005, 05:06:57 PM
Just a little helpful hint .... the pic is alot clearer if you click on the link below it .


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 11, 2005, 05:08:31 PM
I think that's the line up for best ABs and the skinny guy kissing the wind won .


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 11, 2005, 05:09:46 PM
Oh and Dave went on to win Best Legs. ;)


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 11, 2005, 05:19:59 PM
Who would you pick from this photo as winner of Most Musclar ?



(http://tinypic.com/ei8234.jpg)


http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=ei8234


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 11, 2005, 05:25:31 PM
(http://tinypic.com/ei84yx.jpg)


http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=ei84yx


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: 619Rules on October 11, 2005, 06:29:49 PM
The next few scans are from Dave's Jr.Mr.America short class  win 1978.


(http://tinypic.com/ei7d4p.jpg)

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=ei7d4p

OK-without going to Musclememory, I am going to name them left to right

Dave, Roger Callard, Skinnny guy kissing wind, Toney Pearson, Gary Leonard, a brother?

and who can fill in the 2 blanks?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on October 11, 2005, 06:36:10 PM
Pearson is doing a disappearing act                                                   


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: 619Rules on October 11, 2005, 07:55:49 PM
John Brown far right.....Shawn Rays mentor.....and one of the best posers to hit a stage..too bad he had no legs... ;D Then again neither did Tony Pearson.....


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 12, 2005, 05:06:06 PM
More from the same contest................. ...

(http://tinypic.com/eiv49k.jpg)



http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=eiv49k


(http://tinypic.com/eiv59y.jpg)

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=eiv59y


(http://tinypic.com/eiv5sy.jpg)

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=eiv5sy


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 12, 2005, 05:39:40 PM
Another shot of Dave's old buddy ................


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: 619Rules on October 12, 2005, 10:01:06 PM
OK-How old is Mike at the Jr. Mr. A? He looks very young-like 25 or so.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: crownshep on November 13, 2005, 01:41:40 PM
Only just found this thread,some great pics of Dave here Bix,cheers.The guess who on the previous page is Len Archambault.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: tommywishbone on December 31, 2005, 04:22:35 PM
Very cool pictures. I knew Dave reasonably well. He was always a bit quiet. I knew he was friends with Mike, but I did not know they went back that far and were so close. Kent Kuehn would always talk about Daves bodybuilding history but Dave would just sort of laugh him off. He was humble and always friendly... a good guy.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on January 12, 2006, 03:34:17 PM
Arnold at Mt. Park, Holyoke Ma.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on January 12, 2006, 03:39:55 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on January 12, 2006, 03:46:03 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: wes on January 12, 2006, 03:56:51 PM
AWesome shot!!!!!!!!

Never saw Dave in that Zanesque pose..............he looks great.

The Jr. A was a great contst for him...........the best I ever saw him look.



Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on January 12, 2006, 05:25:16 PM
.(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=36452.0;id=52985;image)

great pic


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on January 12, 2006, 06:12:55 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on January 12, 2006, 06:43:22 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on January 12, 2006, 08:42:45 PM
the old Nautilus Arm Curl


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on January 13, 2006, 06:53:32 AM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on January 19, 2006, 06:36:36 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Overload on January 20, 2006, 02:29:23 PM
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we have that machine at my gym...i actually use it sometimes.


 8)


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on January 22, 2006, 04:04:16 PM
Any one guess this guy ?

Len Archambalt (sp)


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on January 22, 2006, 04:05:24 PM
Anybody know this guy?

Defanitly John Terrelli


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on January 27, 2006, 07:58:54 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on March 06, 2006, 02:40:48 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on March 06, 2006, 03:41:21 PM


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on March 07, 2006, 03:03:31 PM


Dave's old friend Gene. Dave told me that this guy was all natural !


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on March 08, 2006, 01:16:13 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on March 09, 2006, 11:47:16 AM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Hypertrophy on March 09, 2006, 01:29:57 PM
Fantastic photos of Mentzer and Padilla Bix! Thanks for taking the time to scan these in.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on March 09, 2006, 03:30:20 PM
Fantastic photos of Mentzer and Padilla Bix! Thanks for taking the time to scan these in.

Thank you but let's also thank Dave for taking the pics  ;)


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: WorldGym2006 on March 09, 2006, 06:26:02 PM
Fantastic photos of Mentzer and Padilla Bix! Thanks for taking the time to scan these in.

I'll second that-thanks Bix.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on March 11, 2006, 12:39:31 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on March 12, 2006, 04:46:40 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on March 15, 2006, 02:14:29 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on March 21, 2006, 03:24:19 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on March 21, 2006, 06:49:21 PM
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Thats a good picture.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on March 23, 2006, 04:11:56 AM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on April 02, 2006, 07:32:09 AM
Where was it held that year, the IFBB U ?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on April 09, 2006, 06:44:58 AM
Young Lou..........


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: dseiler on June 06, 2006, 09:43:39 AM
wonder how much sauce Casey was slamming when he was 16, 17 18 years old?

My buddie who lives in Arizona has trained with Casey. Said he has some weird training philosophies. Plus my friend said he was a major drug abuser-as in smoking coke!

Crazy life of a pro BBer for the 80's....

Ass clown crunchbar/double xl/beef curtain/head homo-will start posting under your own account you little pussie!


Can someone MODERATE and remove these ridiculous posts? You've got a guy here spending the time posting these awesome pics and this kind of crap just ruins it.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: onlyme on June 06, 2006, 11:07:56 AM

Can someone MODERATE and remove these ridiculous posts? You've got a guy here spending the time posting these awesome pics and this kind of crap just ruins it.


See all you gotta do is point them out to me and I'll take care of them.  I usually catch them pretty quick but I do miss some.  Thanks


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on June 19, 2006, 04:04:06 PM
I'm back ....................



Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on June 19, 2006, 04:16:57 PM
Who's this guy ?


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: wes on June 23, 2006, 06:34:34 PM
Harold Poole !!  :)


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on June 25, 2006, 02:22:55 AM
Harold Poole !!  :)


Correct


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on July 23, 2006, 02:46:57 PM
Dave and a few of his old buddies................. ......


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: figgs on July 30, 2006, 05:47:21 PM
Thanks for the pics! I've actually never knew about Dave Mastorakis before but the man has a very well developed physique. Looks like a shorter version of me! I love the Mike and Ray Mentzer pictures. It looks like Mike is natural there!


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on July 31, 2006, 03:03:56 PM
Early 70s.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: HERACLES on August 06, 2006, 06:39:13 PM
I am honored to present here part of the personal photo collection of Dave Mastorakis.Dave has given me premission so please all enjoy.
Here's Dave.....
Dave may check in from time to time so if you have any questions fire away.


Who is this greek god of muscle!!  8)

Ive never heard of him, but very impressed!


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on August 19, 2006, 01:32:58 AM
Where was it held that year, the IFBB U ?

That pic was the 1977 Universe held in Montreal, Canada.

The Beef.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 09, 2006, 03:27:19 PM
Guests posing at the 1978 Mr. New Hampshire contest.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 09, 2006, 03:33:30 PM
This man beat Ray Mentzer at the 1978 Jr. Mr. A held at the Mt. Park Pavilion , Holyoke Ma.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 09, 2006, 03:51:08 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 10, 2006, 05:53:10 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 14, 2006, 02:15:00 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 14, 2006, 02:16:40 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 15, 2006, 12:46:01 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 16, 2006, 12:27:27 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 16, 2006, 12:28:45 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on September 16, 2006, 12:33:24 PM
Great picture of casey & the old Nautilus machine


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: siouxcountry on September 17, 2006, 02:36:33 AM
Nice to see the legendary Sipes!


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 18, 2006, 02:42:27 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 19, 2006, 01:20:14 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 20, 2006, 04:13:23 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 22, 2006, 04:53:42 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on September 28, 2006, 03:14:08 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 01, 2006, 03:53:48 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 03, 2006, 05:44:35 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 08, 2006, 10:13:45 AM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on October 08, 2006, 12:11:34 PM
I don't see any pictures on these last 4 posts....


see at the bottom of the attachment where the file name is.....it shows that 0 KG were loaded


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 12, 2006, 03:57:39 PM

Hey thanks, didn't see that , I wonder why?


I don't see any pictures on these last 4 posts....


see at the bottom of the attachment where the file name is.....it shows that 0 KG were loaded


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: knny187 on October 12, 2006, 06:32:56 PM
Hey thanks, didn't see that , I wonder why?



I don't know...not sure


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on October 19, 2006, 03:48:57 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on May 04, 2007, 01:36:58 PM
Hell of a back !!!!!!!  :o


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on May 06, 2007, 08:20:35 AM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on May 09, 2007, 02:37:12 PM
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Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Bix on March 03, 2009, 08:09:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tsKqzl6K_g


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: wild willie on March 03, 2009, 11:44:13 AM
look at mentzer's waist....... unreal for a big man.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: Natural_O on May 09, 2013, 09:15:21 PM
That pic was the 1977 Universe held in Montreal, Canada.

The Beef.

It was '76. The Universe was held in Nimes, France in '77.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: funk51 on May 10, 2013, 09:25:55 AM
Dave with a couple of his old buddies. No GH bellies here :o
dave , mike mentzer rip and gene massey rip.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: funk51 on May 10, 2013, 09:28:07 AM
Anybody know this guy?
gable boudreaux?????


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: funk51 on May 10, 2013, 09:29:18 AM
That looks like John Terrili to me!
on second thought it probably is terrelli.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: funk51 on May 10, 2013, 09:33:53 AM
Any one guess this guy ?
len arch...ault.


Title: Re: Photo Collection Of Dave Mastorakis
Post by: funk51 on May 10, 2013, 09:43:03 AM
 :)this was a good thread started way back in 2005, i guess it grew some new legs, thank you bix. ;D ;D ;D