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Title: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on August 20, 2005, 05:08:53 AM
As some of you saw in the Gossip thread, John Riggins reportedly passed away this weekend.  I’m posting these comments here rather than in the Gossip thread because on the whole, people in this forum (especially our mods) seem to be more open minded to the truth about sex and the reality of life for our body building friends.  Also, I didn’t think nude pix of Riggins would be welcome in the other thread.

JR is the latest in a long line of bodybuilders (hustling to men) to pass away.  Some of you may not know this but it has happened a lot over the last few years.  I used to be on a gay muscle board similar to getbig but it was devoted almost exclusively to 1) muscle gossip and 2) to hooking up johns and muscle escorts.  I don’t remember how I found that board but I was gay, interested in body building (lifting and watching), and it seemed harmless enough in the beginning.  Over time, though the board seemed to take a turn that I found distasteful--and I said so.

Every time a BB hustler would die (2-3 per year; let’s just say they were never natural deaths) a chorus would go up from the board about how sad it was, how much they “cared” for the individual, and how they wished his family well.  I pointed out more than once that their collective requiem rang hollow because the very next day they were back to renting bodybuilders by the hour and writing reviews about who was good in the sac, what they were willing to do sexually, whether they were clock watchers, etc.  If they really 'cared' about these men they would be helping them get back on their feet and out of hustling because all too often escorting was literally a dead end.

My concerns were shouted down in a volley of hate mail from the Johns.  Eventually, I left that board because 1) I had no interest in hiring escorts and 2) I was interested in actually going to the gym and working out--something most of the guys on that board had no interest in.  Why work out for muscles when you can rent them by the hour?

I’m sure even now, the guys over on that board are ‘weeping’ over the passing of JR (he was a popular escort over there), but by tonight they will be booking new appointments with other muscle whores.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Freakzilla_2 on August 20, 2005, 05:20:23 AM
Ok so the point of this was....

Freak :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: sarcasm on August 20, 2005, 05:39:53 AM
the only thing developed on this dude was his chest everything else was pretty much average by bb'ing standards and not just IFBB standards even local NPC event standards, it's just sad that a dude would take enough juice to cause kidney damage and still look like nothing special, sad.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 20, 2005, 05:55:39 AM
I never saw him in competition but he appeard to have a good body back in the day.  And good eyebrows too... until he started plucking them.  >:(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: sarcasm on August 20, 2005, 05:59:25 AM
the juice obviously wasn't doing anything for the dong, haha.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 20, 2005, 06:05:58 AM
Obviously, people go to bodybuilders for their big muscles--not for cock size, but for a muscleman he was not thought to have an undersized dick.  I've seen a lot smaller.  :o  btw, juice does not affect dong size.  It can, however, shrink the testes.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: DIVISION on August 20, 2005, 06:15:26 AM
the juice obviously wasn't doing anything for the dong, haha.

Why are you criticizing the size of another man's penis....

You're starting to worry me, holmes.   :-\

You're not one of those dudes who lurks in the shower to see guys like me wash off.......unsuspecting.. .....are you?   ::)







DIV


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 20, 2005, 06:20:29 AM
Why are you criticizing the size of another man's penis....


rais ipsa loquitur 

Anyway, JR/RR was bootylicious.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: sarcasm on August 20, 2005, 06:59:39 AM
feelin' a little insecure Div.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 20, 2005, 07:18:54 AM
Scott Klein was another muscle escort who croaked in 2002.  Unlike many of the others, he seemed to have real BB potential for a while . . . but he was rumored to have synthol in his triceps.  :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Dina on August 20, 2005, 07:27:28 AM
are they dying from drugs?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: sarcasm on August 20, 2005, 07:28:04 AM
the rumor is confirmed.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Dina on August 20, 2005, 07:34:09 AM
I also meant to add that no one can help those guys unless they want to help themselves. I don't know how many of them saved up their escorting proceeds to start another business or whatever... but unless they clearly want to change and move on..they won't.

I don't see anything wrong with them hustling... as long as it is safe..I just don't see it as a business one can do forever.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 20, 2005, 07:37:25 AM
are they dying from drugs?

It’s funny you should ask Dina. Whenever the deaths were reported (they were many) on the muscle gossip/escort board, all we were told is that the guy died.  If anyone dared to ask HOW the guy died they were immediately smacked down by one of the moderators for asking.  Some people were even banned for asking (they eventually came back under new identities). 

Whether or not one was even allowed to ask about the cause of death became the subject of a thread in itself.  Many people, like me, thought the question was a natural one people ask when someone young dies, but there were others who thought asking about the cause of death was evil, sinful, and cause for excommunication.  Strange. 

Androkid was another escort who croaked in 2003. I thought he had good BB potential too.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 20, 2005, 08:18:16 AM
I’ve never been good at spotting synthol but lantern jaw is another matter.  :D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Dina on August 20, 2005, 08:28:18 AM
I find it very odd that no one wants to say what they died from... could be OD and not AAS....  or disease... but it makes no sense that so many die young


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 20, 2005, 08:40:43 AM
As I recall, Androkid died of a drug overdose.  Apprently, we weren't supposed to learn that but that is the news that came down. :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Dina on August 20, 2005, 10:06:17 AM
I don't want to go out on a limb here..but Bay.. are rec drugs used more often in gay sex encounters than straight ones?

I by no means want to imply that all gay men are into rec drugs, but I wonder if they are into it more that their straight counterparts....   any thoughts?






Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 20, 2005, 10:30:16 AM
An interesting question I can’t easily answer because 1) I am not privy to many straight sex encounters and 2) In some ways, I am out of the gay loop.  I don’t know everything that goes on in the many slices of gay life. I can tell you that there IS a segment of the muscled gay population that likes to PNP or party and play as they say.  This is shorthand for using recreational drugs before, during, or after sex.  One can read about the popularity of this in almost any gay newspaper.

References to PNP are made all the time in gay personal ads; some welcoming it, some eschewing it.

I’d be wary of any categorical statements about what all gay men do or all straight people do.  My sense is that in both gay and straight populations there is a segment that like to indulge in recreational drugs. 

Mike Betts was another popular muscle escort who croaked in 04.  There were quite a few others--for a while there they were dropping like flies--but these three are the ones I happen to remember and have access to photos of. 


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Faust on August 20, 2005, 10:40:33 AM
Damn, it must be a lonely life those guys had.

RIP.

I don't know what caused their death, (steriods/ rec drugs/ suicide), but it's a shame they took that road. I can imagine it's not easy fucking (getting fucked by) some schmoe who's drooling over your biceps. It must have been pretty hard mentally.

That kind of hypocrisy you're talking about is disgusting. If they'd just admit it was only sex and they didnt care about him at all i would find it less repulsive.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 20, 2005, 11:22:15 AM
I don't see anything wrong with them hustling... as long as it is safe..I just don't see it as a business one can do forever.

We had many ongoing debates about this on that board.  Since I ultimately left that board, I guess you could say I lost the debate, but with few exceptions, I think there IS something wrong with hustling--but not for the reasons you may think.

My problem with it, is that the guys who turn to it, very often do it because they don’t think they have other options.  It is therefore a desperate undertaking and few people make good decisions when they are in a desperate state of mind.

For many hustlers--not all--tricking is an easy way to make money, but in this respect it is seductive and distracts from other avenues with better long term potential.  The romantic notion that many escorts and Johns live with is that the escort is socking away all his money, investing in real estate & stocks and will retire next year never having to worry about money again . . . 

Maybe someone, somewhere, at some point in history managed to do that, but many more escorts appear to spiral downward into drugs and for most it is a one way trip.  In the time I was on that board at least 10 muscle escorts turned up dead and none of them died from old age.

In most cases, the families of these guys who turn up dead, had no idea what was going on.  The Johns post a note of condolence on the escort board and move on to the next muscle whore who suits their fancy.

I just checked. That muscle/escort board is still going strong and there is a whole new crop of muscle men selling their wares.  In this respect it is very much like competitive body building.  For every pro that dies form AAS there are 10 guys ready to take his place certain that they can put together a better cocktail that is more effective and less toxic . .  . until it happens again :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: gammahydroxy on August 20, 2005, 11:32:55 AM
I’ve never been good at spotting synthol but lantern jaw is another matter.  :D

Jay Cutler should warn his little brother about the dangers of synthol and HGH use.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Dina on August 20, 2005, 11:34:35 AM
It is a shame that they do not  choose to save their pennies...some I am sure could retire early if they were smart with investments etc etc Unfortunately there will always be a market for them... and may of the buyers really don't give a damn.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 20, 2005, 11:51:24 AM
Here’s a mockery for you.  Right up until his death Androkid was being publicly “mentored” by (who else?) another older escort on the muscleboard who called himself Big Luke.  It's sad to see such a young life thrown away.  :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: DIVISION on August 20, 2005, 12:42:46 PM
feelin' a little insecure Div.

Dude, I've been in the military standing naked in the cold with other naked guys waiting for open showers.....

You ask me about insecurity.........nugga please.   Been there, done that.

I just don't think it's cool for dudes to stare at your cock and balls like women do......






DIV


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 20, 2005, 02:32:55 PM
Some of you wonder what some body builders do when they are not on stage... now you know.  By the way, several IFBB pros showed up on that board.  Some stayed, some just passed through.

More Scott Klein.  You synthol experts... are his triceps for real?

http://repetrope.com/men/competitors/detail.asp?CompetitorID=852&offset=0


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BUFFSITH on August 20, 2005, 05:40:49 PM
It’s funny you should ask Dina. Whenever the deaths were reported (they were many) on the muscle gossip/escort board, all we were told is that the guy died.  If anyone dared to ask HOW the guy died they were immediately smacked down by one of the moderators for asking.  Some people were even banned for asking (they eventually came back under new identities). 

Whether or not one was even allowed to ask about the cause of death became the subject of a thread in itself.  Many people, like me, thought the question was a natural one people ask when someone young dies, but there were others who thought asking about the cause of death was evil, sinful, and cause for excommunication.  Strange. 

Androkid was another escort who croaked in 2003. I thought he had good BB potential too.
  I had heard that he had died, but I had no way to confirm it. Now i feel bad. I have a few of his pictures up to keep me motivated to keep lifting. Do you have any more info on him?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: sarcasm on August 20, 2005, 05:58:11 PM
why the big secret? what are they doing to die so young?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: IFBBSWAMI on August 20, 2005, 06:11:44 PM
i knew john from the new york BB seen but was by no means a friend
i saw him before he went into the hospital 6 months ago and he was sadly a mess ! he was once about 280 and when i saw him he looked to have been 130 lbs and had the shakes he tried seeling some test gel lol !
i could not  buy anything from him because i just felt like i was only helping him kill himself faster .he had a few medical problems
that sure made me think he had aids all the christal and unprotected sex kills you fast ! he had a real girlfriend that would take care of him but sadly she left once things got bad ....cant say i blame her
huslers just dont last that life is just plain ugly !


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 20, 2005, 06:13:30 PM
  I had heard that he had died, but I had no way to confirm it. Now i feel bad. I have a few of his pictures up to keep me motivated to keep lifting. Do you have any more info on him?

More info?  Such as?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: sarcasm on August 20, 2005, 06:15:22 PM
yeah but what could kill someone that young so quick the diseases will deteriorate you over time but not that quick.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: SNB on August 20, 2005, 06:43:58 PM
note to self... never EVER click on a thread started by BAYBGM again


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: YoungBlood on August 20, 2005, 06:47:54 PM

More Scott Klein.  You synthol experts... are his triceps for real?


If his tri's are real, then the Catholic religion is based around Satanism.
No way are his triceps real. I'd love to see someone argue that one.  ::)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 20, 2005, 07:04:32 PM
note to self... never EVER click on a thread started by BAYBGM again

Let me see if I understand this.... there are more than 18 different forums on getbig with more than (conservatively) 500 different threads.  You wondered into the Sex forum and deliberately clicked on a thread called “Muscle escorting” and we’re supposed to believe you are surprised or offended by the content here? ha ha ha ha

You might as well create a new account, my friend.  Your SNB one just lost all credibility.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 20, 2005, 07:25:03 PM
Someone, who wishes to remain anonymous, just reminded me about Barry also known as "Totally Huge", the large former football player turned escort who also ended up going nowhere fast.  I don't remember the year he died; it was some time around 2000/01.  Like I said, for a while there they were dropping like flies.

Barry stood out among muscle escorts because he was willing to romp with both men, women, and multiples of both.  His website used to note that in addition to individual male clients “couples [were] welcome.”  Of course, that would cost extra.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: sarcasm on August 20, 2005, 07:26:40 PM
what are these dudes dying from?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: onlyme on August 20, 2005, 07:36:16 PM
They're dying from the dreaded diease "semen swallowitis en excessiveness" it strikes only a select few who want it all at once.  It is sad but true.  How can we beat this awful infliction.  Please if you encountered anyone with this diease be careful.  It's not worth the end result.  Think Before you Cum


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 20, 2005, 07:46:17 PM
As I noted previously, in most cases, we were never told the cause of death and we were repeatedly told that we were not even allowed to ask the cause.  I suspect it was drug abuse--i.e. an overdose.  With no marketable skills or training and no employment prospects by the time these (straight) guys fall far enough to be tricking with old gay men for money, getting high is all but required to make it through the day . . . and night.  :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: SWTYGRL on August 20, 2005, 11:53:24 PM
How damn sad...  There has got to be a better way to make a living. 




Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 21, 2005, 03:56:33 AM
As you might imagine, the Johns got pretty hostile and defensive whenever anyone called them on the hypocrisy of pretending to be “friends” with these escorts and “caring” about them.  Denial is a powerful and real phenomena.  Heck, you’d be in denial too if an escort (effectively) killed himself after having sex with you. 

"I'd rather be dead than live with the memory of having slept with you!" Ouch!  Now, that's what I call rejection!  :-[

http://www.bigscottklein.com/


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BUFFSITH on August 21, 2005, 04:41:23 AM
 Well, i kinda had a wee bit of a crush on him. how old was he, his stats, etc.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 21, 2005, 04:57:35 AM
Well, i kinda had a wee bit of a crush on him. how old was he, his stats, etc.

If you mean Scott Klein, here's a hint; check out his website as indicated above... he was a cute kid.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Dina on August 21, 2005, 05:15:20 AM
I really feel like smacking these guys in the head.....  so sad


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 21, 2005, 05:48:12 AM
What is really sad is that amid all the attention, adulation, and money lavished on them by the Johns (by the way, it’s not that much money) muscle escorts operate under the fiction that they are in near virgin territory and almost no one has ever done this before.

They never stop to ask themselves what happened to the muscle escorts that were here before me?  Where are they now?  Are they living happily ever after?  Or are they strung out on drugs, dying, or dead?  The answer is almost always the latter, but sometimes people don’t ask questions specifically because they don’t want to know the answers.

I’m sure several more escorts have croaked since I left that board, but in the end, no one cares.  There are plenty more muscle whores they came from and an endless amount of Johns waiting in the wings.  :'(


Title: Muscle escorting Kind of long - my experience
Post by: posterchild on August 21, 2005, 11:55:06 AM
Interesting thread.  I really doubt these guys set goals and ambitions to be hustlers when they grow up.  Additionally it is really no mystery how so many people die in this lifestyle.  Disease, addiction, and low self esteem. 

I am very lucky to be able to have gone through "hustling" and come out of it with my life, and without disease. 

I did not really feel as though I "fit in" anywhere and in my early 20's I successfully auditioned to become an erotic entertainer, dancing for women at b'day and batechelorette parties.  At first I was very shy, especially coming from an almost fanatical religious background.  Throughout high school I excelled in sports and heavy drug use.  Several times I almost overdosed on various differing substances. 

I cleaned up, and went into dancing.  I overcame my shyness and started making money and feeling great at work.  Women loved me at work, they loved me when I went into bars and danced.  I felt like a rock star.  Women screaming for me to take it off, and guys envious of their girlfriends screaming over me.  The ego only lasted until I was done with the shows, and there I was again.  It was my new drug. 

After a couple of months a fellow dancer was bragging about making thousands of $$$ dancing at gay bars.  I decided to check it out.  I had never even thought about gays that much before.  I just thought of gays as queeny hair dresser types - until my first night of work.  Besides the lack of real women (there were drag queens as the MCs) the place seemed like any other bar.  Gay did not have a look.  The guys in the bar looked just like guys you would see anywhere. 

I was nervous, and I went on stage, and loved it.  The attention was great.  It was quite a boost to the ego to have men hitting on me, even though I was not sexually interested in them.  I did great.  Very quickly I was the number 1 dancer.  I decided when I was going to work, and I decided when to leave.  The other dancers hated me because they felt I was making their money.  I felt a lot more confident in front of the guys because I did not care.  With the women I just felt insecure.  I could put a great show on, but my sexual interest in the women made it difficult to "hustle" them.

That bar closed and I went to another bar where more hustling was involved.  I would not have been able to work the next place in the beginning, but it is amazing how quickly lines are crossed, and what was not ok one day became ok the next. 
I was making great money for my age I thought, and I decided to move to another state because I could.  I could do what I did anywhere. 

I traveled south, and where I ended up things are much different, and not as conservative as they were up north.  I quickly found out that if I wanted to earn as much $$$ as I was before I was going to have to do more.  I knew about fetish, and I knew about the gay rage (magazines) and I put an ad in the back. There are plenty of hustlers advertising in these mags, and I was not willing to do the sucking and fucking with guys.  I placed a fetish ad.  I got lots of calls.  I made lots of $$$.  I had low self esteem, and I spent the $$$ as fast as I made it.  I got back into drugs.  I started doing steroids.  I felt like total shit.  I hated myself.  I felt lower than dirt.  I got more into the life.  I did some solo shots for a couple mags, and even a solo video. 

I was barely making ends meet, and I hated what I was doing.  I did not even stop to think how the hell did I end up into this life.  I overdosed on GHB multiple times and I was parting at work (still dancing too).  I witnessed some of the more severe stuff that others got into as well.  People dying because of their lifestyle. 

Somehow I managed to get myself out of the life.  It has not been easy.  I was into that life for 7 years and I learned it was all because of my state of mind.  I became ill because of the way I was thinking, the drugs, and the steroids.  It has taken a while to pull myself out of what I was into, and I am thankful I did not die during that type of life.  Seeing this thread it took me there.

I no longer do drugs, or even drink.  I do not obsessively work out.  I have not done steroids in six years, and I will not do them again.  I also realize my state of mind got me into that type of lifestyle.  I just work on letting go and accepting others without judgment.  It seems as though my life is a lot better now than before.  I understand how people cross over invisible lines and end up in situations they may not have wanted to get into, or even imagined.  It is easy to do.  It takes determination, and a look inside to get out, and few are able to really do it when in that state of mind.     


Title: Re: Muscle escorting Kind of long - my experience
Post by: DIVISION on August 21, 2005, 12:18:39 PM
Interesting thread.  I really doubt these guys set goals and ambitions to be hustlers when they grow up.  Additionally it is really no mystery how so many people die in this lifestyle.  Disease, addiction, and low self esteem. 

I am very lucky to be able to have gone through "hustling" and come out of it with my life, and without disease. 

I did not really feel as though I "fit in" anywhere and in my early 20's I successfully auditioned to become an erotic entertainer, dancing for women at b'day and batechelorette parties.  At first I was very shy, especially coming from an almost fanatical religious background.  Throughout high school I excelled in sports and heavy drug use.  Several times I almost overdosed on various differing substances. 

I cleaned up, and went into dancing.  I overcame my shyness and started making money and feeling great at work.  Women loved me at work, they loved me when I went into bars and danced.  I felt like a rock star.  Women screaming for me to take it off, and guys envious of their girlfriends screaming over me.  The ego only lasted until I was done with the shows, and there I was again.  It was my new drug. 

After a couple of months a fellow dancer was bragging about making thousands of $$$ dancing at gay bars.  I decided to check it out.  I had never even thought about gays that much before.  I just thought of gays as queeny hair dresser types - until my first night of work.  Besides the lack of real women (there were drag queens as the MCs) the place seemed like any other bar.  Gay did not have a look.  The guys in the bar looked just like guys you would see anywhere. 

I was nervous, and I went on stage, and loved it.  The attention was great.  It was quite a boost to the ego to have men hitting on me, even though I was not sexually interested in them.  I did great.  Very quickly I was the number 1 dancer.  I decided when I was going to work, and I decided when to leave.  The other dancers hated me because they felt I was making their money.  I felt a lot more confident in front of the guys because I did not care.  With the women I just felt insecure.  I could put a great show on, but my sexual interest in the women made it difficult to "hustle" them.

That bar closed and I went to another bar where more hustling was involved.  I would not have been able to work the next place in the beginning, but it is amazing how quickly lines are crossed, and what was not ok one day became ok the next. 
I was making great money for my age I thought, and I decided to move to another state because I could.  I could do what I did anywhere. 

I traveled south, and where I ended up things are much different, and not as conservative as they were up north.  I quickly found out that if I wanted to earn as much $$$ as I was before I was going to have to do more.  I knew about fetish, and I knew about the gay rage (magazines) and I put an ad in the back. There are plenty of hustlers advertising in these mags, and I was not willing to do the sucking and fucking with guys.  I placed a fetish ad.  I got lots of calls.  I made lots of $$$.  I had low self esteem, and I spent the $$$ as fast as I made it.  I got back into drugs.  I started doing steroids.  I felt like total shit.  I hated myself.  I felt lower than dirt.  I got more into the life.  I did some solo shots for a couple mags, and even a solo video. 

I was barely making ends meet, and I hated what I was doing.  I did not even stop to think how the hell did I end up into this life.  I overdosed on GHB multiple times and I was parting at work (still dancing too).  I witnessed some of the more severe stuff that others got into as well.  People dying because of their lifestyle. 

Somehow I managed to get myself out of the life.  It has not been easy.  I was into that life for 7 years and I learned it was all because of my state of mind.  I became ill because of the way I was thinking, the drugs, and the steroids.  It has taken a while to pull myself out of what I was into, and I am thankful I did not die during that type of life.  Seeing this thread it took me there.

I no longer do drugs, or even drink.  I do not obsessively work out.  I have not done steroids in six years, and I will not do them again.  I also realize my state of mind got me into that type of lifestyle.  I just work on letting go and accepting others without judgment.  It seems as though my life is a lot better now than before.  I understand how people cross over invisible lines and end up in situations they may not have wanted to get into, or even imagined.  It is easy to do.  It takes determination, and a look inside to get out, and few are able to really do it when in that state of mind.

That's a rare introspective post, the type we rarely see on GetBig.com

Props for sharing that, man.

I'm glad you've found time to look back and see just how close you were to the brink.......makes it worth all the pain to know that you survived and know it's just a memory.....a lesson.






DIV


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 21, 2005, 12:41:57 PM
Posterchild, thanks for sharing your story. I don’t think many fans of body building realize how common this is.  No one would look at Scott Klein or Cameron/Androkid and imagine the downward spiral they were on, yet many body builders are, in fact, on a downward spiral. 

I’ve said it before but it’s worth repeating: The number of young men who devote themselves to body building with no marketable skills, training, or education is an accident waiting to happen. 

By your own admission you barely made it out.  I’m glad that you did, but looking back on it, is there anything someone could have said to you that would have prompted you to get out faster or to prevent you from going down this path at all?  Did any of your friends know what you were up to?  Aside from other dancers, whom did you confide in?

From what I have observed, only the Johns and the escorts know about this dynamic and in their mutual dependence (for money and muscle) neither has an interest in seeing this come to an end.

The internet has made this situation worse by enabling escorts and Johns to easily find each other.  Indeed, entire websites are now devoted Johns writing reviews of their sessions with particular escorts so everyone can read all about it before decided which one to hire next.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: posterchild on August 21, 2005, 01:42:23 PM
Hello Divison and thank you for your kind words. 

BayGBM,

I think when you look at the pictures of the guys who lost their life to their lifestyle you can see the pain they are in just by looking at the pictures.  At least I can. 

Throughout my ordeal I chose not to have friends.  The people I did confide in were mostly much older than myself, and were not clients.  When I was dancing, I made it a point to stay away from the other dancers.  The blind do not do a really good job leading the blind.

I had many opportunities to be kept by very wealthy men, and I declined all the opportunities.  I decided to have a girlfriend whom I knew would not stand for the lifestyle I was into and that is one way I pulled myself out.  She did not do it, but I knew this girl would not stand for it, and it was a deal I was making with myself. 

I was a personal trainer throughout, and that helped.  Getting deeply into spirituality  - non religious spirituality - going into my own mind and letting go is what has helped. 

There was really nothing anyone could have said, or done to help me make decisions about that type of life - although I did make one friend who helped a lot by the way he lived, and the decisions he made, and the advice he had to offer. 

I agree that a lot of "bodybuilders" do get themselves into situations they did not imagine happening.  Between "clients" and hustling there is definitely a co-dependency.  Both are just as miserable, and both play the game.  I think the only way out is to just stop playing the game, and realize nobody is happy in that game.

Finding a career lagged for a while, and I went through some real shit to finish with the lifestyle for good.  I do have skills, and I was choosing not to use them.  In fact, I believe all the hustlers have skills, it is just a matter of where they choose to apply them.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 21, 2005, 01:51:25 PM
Hello Divison and thank you for your kind words. 

BayGBM,

I think when you look at the pictures of the guys who lost their life to their lifestyle you can see the pain they are in just by looking at the pictures.  At least I can. 


I have often thought the same thing, especially in that green pic of Mike Betts looking into the camera.  You can almost see the hopelessness in his eyes :(   Such a shame.  He was a fine looking man.

Once again, I’m glad you made it out of that black hole.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 21, 2005, 01:58:02 PM
Via email someone just reminded me of the bizarre epilogues to Androkid’s death. 

1) On the muscle/escort board, shortly after his death was announced--but the cause of death not revealed--someone on the board used the Internet to check the local papers and found his obituary notice and posted it on-line for all the Johns to see.  Notice of the wake and funeral service was also in the notice.

One of the Johns indicated he was going to send flowers to the family at the funeral home and a huge, and I mean HUGE!, debate erupted among the Johns and all the escorts about the propriety of Johns doing this.  Many of the escorts were upset at the thought of this because it could lead to the family finding out what their beloved son was doing and where his money was coming from.  Apparently, many of the escorts felt threatened by this proposal.

A few of the Johns were under the delusion that they were really “friends” with this kid and wanted to do something for him and felt is was their right to send flowers.  I never knew how that debate ended or if the flowers/condolences were ever sent but it was certainly amusing to watch the debate . . .


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: sarcasm on August 21, 2005, 02:04:07 PM
cry me a river, these guys know what's involved if they don't want to do it then get a regular job like everybody else, people are always going to prostitute, does anyone remember the Green River Killer back in the 80's this dude was killing hookers left and right and girls were still going out trying to pick up johns, it's the lure of easy money it's got a very strong appeal.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 21, 2005, 02:19:28 PM
cry me a river, these guys know what's involved if they don't want to do it then get a regular job like everybody else

One could say the same thing about every BB who suffers health AAS related health problems.  You may not be, but some people do feel diminished by the death of another human being no matter the circumstance of their demise.

JR/RR


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: sarcasm on August 21, 2005, 02:28:52 PM
i was referring more to the guys post about being an escort, it's sad that the guy died, what i was saying is that there's always a choice.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: IFBBSWAMI on August 21, 2005, 06:27:23 PM
RIP John i hope that the next stop is better then this one !  :'(
i think we have to try an understand the torture and self haterd
most people that live this life have to go thought
the least we could do is not bad mouth a dean man !

God Bless you and keep you
John Riggins


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 22, 2005, 11:32:07 AM
i think we have to try an understand the torture and self haterd
most people that live this life have to go thought


The question is, do they HAVE to go through it?  On the one hand I’m terribly sorry for the loss of life and wasted potential, but as many critics have legitimately pointed out, ultimately people who go down this path CHOOSE to do so.  They give in to the temptation of easy money and drugs that we all have the option of saying no to.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 22, 2005, 11:49:32 AM
Don’t be silly.  Spiderwebs do not denote anything other than he went into a tattoo parlor pointed to a design on the wall and said to the tattoo artist, “I want that one on this part of my body.”

I remember when having any ink at all “meant” you were an ex-con or wearing an earring or shaving your arms or legs “meant” your were gay. 

For many insecure men (gay and straight), having big muscles and ink is a way to affirm their masculinity.  "Look how big and tough I am!"  Alas, if you have to declare how masculine you are . . . you usually aren’t.  :(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: DIVISION on August 22, 2005, 11:49:42 AM
spiderwebs denote time served ....

I noticed that too, interesting that he'd be a Caucasian and a male prostitute...... ???

Wonder how many killings he's done in prison to get all those web links?





DIV


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BB on August 22, 2005, 01:14:06 PM
In the US, the elbow web use to mean the person committed a racial or gay murder. Now it's more of a popular pseudo-hardcore tattoo.

In certain foreign cultures, various web designs are also used to denote other things(addiction, etc...).


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: sarcasm on August 22, 2005, 02:49:54 PM
was he a top or a bottom?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 22, 2005, 03:13:41 PM
This is often, though not always, negotiable based on price and personal chemistry. 

Many body builders/escorts will bottom and/or service you (if they like you), but few will say so publicly.  This allows them to draw boundaries and set limits if you turn out to be utterly repulsive, as many Johns are.

Crass as it may sound, I’m sure there are still many reviews of Rod on one or more the escort review boards where Johns detail their experiences with specific escorts for the benefit of other Johns.  If you’ve seen those buyer feedback comments on ebay it’s kinda like that... though much more detailed.  :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: sarcasm on August 22, 2005, 03:26:05 PM
i don't consider lesbians gay.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Dina on August 22, 2005, 04:52:55 PM
This is often, though not always, negotiable based on price and personal chemistry. 

Many body builders/escorts will bottom and/or service you (if they like you), but few will say so publicly.  This allows them to draw boundaries and set limits if you turn out to be utterly repulsive, as many Johns are.

Crass as it may sound, I’m sure there are still many reviews of Rod on one or more the escort review boards where Johns detail their experiences with specific escorts for the benefit of other Johns.  If you’ve seen those buyer feedback comments on ebay it’s kinda like that... though much more detailed.  :-\

THis happens with female escorts too!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Dina on August 22, 2005, 04:55:16 PM
BTW Thanks for sharing your story PosterChild.  Many people are not familar with that world and the shady ongoings.
We all have a choice, however many of the people who go down this slippery path have other issues as well, and I am sure they do not realize what is happening until it is too late.

it is a damn  shame


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 22, 2005, 05:04:29 PM
Another Androkid epilogue.

2)  A couple weeks after Adrokid died, someone (it might have been his mentor) claimed they were setting up a fund for Andro’s nephew’s & niece’s education and they wanted all the Johns to contribute to the fund.  Another acrimonious debate erupted.  This time it was the Johns who got mad because they thought it was ridiculous to be asked to give money in memory of a guy whose cause of death they were not even allowed to know. 

Other’s noted that Andro was not responsible for the education of his nephews & nieces; that was a responsibility that fell to their parents so it was silly to expect a young, under employed bodybuilder to fund their educations and even sillier to expect his Johns to pony up money for it.  He didn’t value education for himself so why would he value it for anyone else? someone asked.

Still others pointed out the incongruity of not being allowed to send flowers to the funeral home/family yet being asked send money supposedly for the education of those kids.  Assuming this all was not a transparent scam, what would his mentor tell the family about where this money came from?  “Hi, Mr. & Mrs. Smith, I know your grieving the loss of Camron, but I have some good news.  Your son was a male escort and all his Johns decided to pitch in and donate some money to fund the education of his nephews & nieces” would not go over well.

Finally, others suggested this was A) simply an inappropriate request and B) very likely a scam on the part of Androkid’s mentor.  Remember his mentor was an older escort.

Oye!  What drama queens!  Sometimes, I miss the humor and absurdity of that board. ;D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 23, 2005, 11:59:09 AM
Here’s an update I was just given:  It turns out when Camron/Androkid died, many Johns DID, in fact, send flowers to the funeral home and the family was “mystified” as to why strange men from all over the country sent dozens of flowers to their dead son’s wake . . .?

A similar debate was brewing about Rod Roddick.  Should they send flowers or not?  A friend of the family has reported that his mom asked that any friends send money to a homeless shelter in his memory instead of flowers to his wake.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: DIVISION on August 23, 2005, 06:21:11 PM
are spider webs Caucasian exclusive?? .... i was inderthe impression they simply stood for collecting dust and cobwebs while locked up ..... do they mean he has killed too??

id imagine he was someones bitch inside ....

Webs aren't exclusive to the Aryans, but seeing as how he is white I don't see him being invited to click with the Mexican Mafia or Black Gorilla Family.  Unless he was "owned" by one of those groups as their bitch.






DIV


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 25, 2005, 03:57:46 AM
note to self... never EVER click on a thread started by BAYBGM again

Back again?  Apparently, you have trouble following your own advice.


i only read 2 forums.  and yea, you're right, i secretely wanted to click on this thread so i could see a bunch of homos jingling their dicks in their hands. 

Do, come back when you find your credibility. ;)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 25, 2005, 03:58:51 AM
Keese, or KC as he is called, is still alive, but he was blackballed by the Johns some time ago for intimidation, theft, and violence.  Apparently, he beat up or threatened to beat up a few Johns more than once and stole quite a bit of money.

I always liked his quads. :o

Alas, as recently as this month, his sister reports that he has attempted suicide, is battling heroin addiction, and is currently hospitalized. :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: sarcasm on August 25, 2005, 06:48:52 AM
tiny arms.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: bigmikecox on August 28, 2005, 12:56:06 PM
What's funny is that a lot of guys on the Olympia stage have supplemented their income from doing this.  Yet, these are the same ones that make derogatory remarks about homosexuals


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 28, 2005, 02:37:37 PM
In some cases, this is true.  The relatively few times, this information is made public body building fans act shocked and chalk it up to an anomaly.  This seems to suggest that they would simply rather not know what’s going on.  Would you prefer to know or not know which of your favorite bodybuilders are escorting on the side?  ???


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 28, 2005, 04:54:21 PM
He was

Height: 5'9"
Weight: 235 lbs.
Chest: 49.5"
Waist: 33"
Arms: 19"
Quads: 28.5"
Calves: 17.5"


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 29, 2005, 03:04:47 AM
Question:  What do you get when you hire Zeb Atlas for $500?

Answer:  An empty wallet.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: bigmikecox on August 29, 2005, 04:17:55 AM
In some cases, this is true.  The relatively few times, this information is made public body building fans act shocked and chalk it up to an anomaly.  This seems to suggest that they would simply rather not know what’s going on.  Would you prefer to know or not know which of your favorite bodybuilders are escorting on the side?  ???

Its part of the game.  Some guys will do whatever it takes to get that "magical" pro card.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Dina on August 29, 2005, 09:28:07 AM
Honestly does it matter that they are escorting on the side? They have fans because of the way they look, not because they are role models. In this world no body cares that you are educated, or donate to charity, they just care that you looked good on stage and took enough drugs and trained/dieted to get there.

If some of them escort, it does not make them less of a bodybuilder, but you may wonder if they are either maximizing income, or if they are going down that slippery road of no return.

The only parts that appall me are:
1. the hypocrisy of it all.. escorting and then gay bashing
2. the number of the escorts who die young


Bay... have any escorted and then moved on to actually do something with the money they made.. Can we have a happy ending for once..lol


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: DIVISION on August 29, 2005, 11:15:08 AM
Its part of the game.  Some guys will do whatever it takes to get that "magical" pro card.

Michael.....are you trying to tell us something?   ??? :-\ :-X





DIV


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 29, 2005, 12:07:52 PM
Bay... have any escorted and then moved on to actually do something with the money they made.. Can we have a happy ending for once..lol

Well, as I said previously, the romantic notion that many escorts and Johns live with is that the escort is socking away all his money, investing in real estate & stocks and will retire next year never having to worry about money again . . . maybe someone, somewhere, at some point in history managed to do that but escorting is not often a path to success and happiness. 

I suspect the few that managed to get out with their health and finances intact will likely remain anonymous forever.

Remember, escorting is often undertaken by guys in a desperate state of mind . . . knowing this, you can see that it’s not a big leap to go from one bad choice to the next . . . it’s a slippery slope.  :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: bigmikecox on August 30, 2005, 04:18:25 AM
Michael.....are you trying to tell us something?   ??? :-\ :-X





DIV

I've never done it, but have been "approached" to "pose" before.....I LOVE BBing, but this is not the career path that I want...I could care less what somebody does to make money....I choose to work a 9-5 to make ends meet


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: DIVISION on August 30, 2005, 04:55:34 AM
I've never done it, but have been "approached" to "pose" before.....I LOVE BBing, but this is not the career path that I want...I could care less what somebody does to make money....I choose to work a 9-5 to make ends meet

You never know......

Could be Freaker and Michael on a Nationwide "Session" tour..... :-X

I think that would probably force Michael out of his "shell".






DIV


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: bigmikecox on August 31, 2005, 04:12:37 AM
You never know......

Could be Freaker and Michael on a Nationwide "Session" tour..... :-X

I think that would probably force Michael out of his "shell".






DIV

LMFAO!!!!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: LAMA-PAI on August 31, 2005, 09:00:13 AM
i don't think Ronnie or Gustavo or Jay are muscle escorting ?
so who the hell are you talking about ?

by the way to the morons that somehow think  escorting is ok and its just a choice like working at the bank or starbucks ...is out of their
fing mind ......fucking people for money will make you a head case
that's why all the drugs get used !


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 06, 2005, 10:47:32 AM
Maybe you are out of the loop, but many amateurs and competing pros do escort on the side.  Just because you don’t know who they are doesn’t make it any less true.  I’m not here to out anyone but the dots are easy to connect for any one who cares to do so.

If a BB has no sponsor and is selling his shirts, underwear, socks, or private personal training sessions via his website, well, ‘nuff said . . .  :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: vikingpower on September 06, 2005, 10:49:53 AM
there is no shame in saying "bump" ;D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: DIVISION on September 06, 2005, 10:50:29 AM
Maybe you are out of the loop, but many amateurs and competing pros do escort on the side.  Just because you don’t know who they are doesn’t make it any less true.  I’m not here to out anyone but the dots are easy to connect for any one who cares to do so.

If a BB has no sponsor and is selling his shirts, underwear, socks, or private personal training sessions via his website, well, ‘nuff said . . .  :-\

I'm the witty one, he's the Gay by the Bay...... :-\

I know who you are talking about, but I don't think he escorts......

He seems too smart for this.......for those of you who don't know who I'm referring to.......he's a top level pro who wears those small glasses and has recently started selling his used gym clothes on his website....

He's of middle eastern descent.





DIV


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 06, 2005, 10:57:26 AM
Div

I know who you think I’m talking about and I’m not talking about him.  I can think of at least 5 pros that escort and he is not one of them.  :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: DIVISION on September 06, 2005, 10:59:59 AM
Div

I know who you think I’m talking about and I’m not talking about him.  I can think of at least 5 pros that escort and he is not one of them.  :-\

Then drop some hints, nugga.

Don't leave me in the lurch.......this is interesting.

WHO IS IT!!!?





DIV


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: bigmikecox on September 06, 2005, 02:20:53 PM
I know 2 former Arnold Classic winners that have done it. 


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 06, 2005, 02:43:37 PM
i don't think Ronnie or Gustavo or Jay are muscle escorting ?
so who the hell are you talking about ?

I know 2 former Arnold Classic winners that have done it. 

I rest my case. 

I will never understand the “if I don’t know about it, it doesn’t exist” mentality of even educated people.  I suppose these are the same people who think that in all the wide universe with thousands of galaxies Earth is the only planet with intelligent life. :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: DIVISION on September 06, 2005, 03:16:12 PM
I rest my case. 

I will never understand the “if I don’t know about it, it doesn’t exist” mentality of even educated people.  I suppose these are the same people who think that in all the wide universe with thousands of galaxies Earth is the only planet with intelligent life. :-\

JUST TELL US WHO'S DOING THE ESCORTING!!!

Stop teasing you lil' juiced puppy!   >:(






DIV


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 06, 2005, 03:29:55 PM
JUST TELL US WHO'S DOING THE ESCORTING!!!

Stop teasing you lil' juiced puppy!   >:(

I am not juiced! >:(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: bigmikecox on September 07, 2005, 04:22:57 AM
JUST TELL US WHO'S DOING THE ESCORTING!!!

Stop teasing you lil' juiced puppy!   >:(






DIV

Two of the San Francisco GP winners have done it ;)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Victor VonDoom on September 07, 2005, 06:37:37 AM
JUST TELL US WHO'S DOING THE ESCORTING!!!


Curiosity killed the cat . . . and a few escorts.   :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 07, 2005, 12:22:14 PM
 . . . it’s hardly surprising.  Think of it this way . . . you come in 4-10th place at the Arnold, NY Pro, SF, Pro, or some other show and what do you get . . . $500-$1000? 

As recently as last year, even at the Olympia if you came in 11th place you got $1000 for your trouble; this year it will be $2000.

If you don’t have an endorsement contract that kind of money is not going to go very far and, as we all know, most bodybuilders do not like to flip burgers or otherwise have real jobs.  Few are independently wealthy.  Now, imagine someone offering you $500 to private pose for him while he jerks off, or $500 just to feel your muscles while you flex for him. Or imagine someone offering $1000 to suck your cock for half an hour.  “Easy” money. :-\

If Zeb Atlas, pictured above, can charge $500 what can a name pro charge?  Zeb stats are impressive but he does not even register on the pro or serious amateur radar screen.  Had any of you heard of him or even Rod Roddick before I posted their photos above?

Remember, just because you don’t know about it, doesn’t mean it’s not happening.  I know several guys (who do not work out, btw) who hire name bodybuilders all the time.

Most men jerk off at least a couple times a week.  If you’re going to JO anyway and money is tight & all you have to do is flex in the company of some puny guy who thinks you're a god, it’s easy to talk yourself into this kind of activity--especially if you know other competing bodybuilders are doing it.

In a busy month, you can easily walk away with several thousand dollars, assuming you want to be that busy; I know one competing pro who saw as many as 6 “clients” in one day.  Do the math.  :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: DIVISION on September 07, 2005, 02:40:00 PM
Curiosity killed the cat . . . and a few escorts.   :'(

Curiousity hasn't got shit on DIV.






DIV


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Disgusted on September 07, 2005, 10:25:39 PM
Scott Klein was another muscle escort who croaked in 2002.  Unlike many of the others, he seemed to have real BB potential for a while . . . but he was rumored to have synthol in his triceps.  :-\


I remeber when Scott died. I never knew him but someone who did posted that he died at home where he lived with his mom, from an overdose of GHB.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 08, 2005, 04:44:19 AM
From his escort ad

Height: 6'
Weight: 300 lbs.
Chest: 55"
Waist: 32"
Biceps: 21"
Quads: 29"
Calves: 19"
Body fat: 7%
Email: bigscottklein@aol.com
Contact: 630-223-XXXX
Location: Chicago Area; in Los Angeles 8/7 - 8/21
WANT SOME OF THIS BIG BADBOY? Call Scott NOW for your appointment in Chicago or LA.
Scott is the ultimate worshipping machine; available for elite and discreet in Chicago-area. Scott is also available as a private trainer and a model. He is actively looking for sponsorship.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: LAMA-PAI on September 08, 2005, 06:10:27 AM
AGAIN MORE BULLSHIT from the so called gay community
most of these escorts are not bodybuilders and unless
you have proof a top pro is doin it come out with it
or else all i see is wannabe Bodybuilders ...no one knows these guys
i could care less who the f escorts am just tired of these nasty queens
always talking shit without proof........


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Victor VonDoom on September 08, 2005, 08:07:39 AM
You've never been to one of those private after parties have you, LAMA-PAI . . . ?  Perhaps it's just as well. :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 08, 2005, 08:57:23 AM
Queens want you to think everyone is gay or wants to be gay
LOL! :-*

Not at all. I never said they were "gay."   In fact, almost all the guys mentioned in this thread lead straight lives and identified themselves as heterosexuals.  They just tricked with dudes for the cash.  Call it what you will. :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 08, 2005, 04:47:21 PM
Here’s a curious epilogue to Roddick’s passing...

In addition to escorting, Roddick did his share of solo and interactive adult gay videos.  Some members of his family only learned of this after his passing.  A few family members did searches on the internet and discovered some of his videos for sale with content they found very upsetting and apparently they want the videos permanently pulled so as not to upset members of the family any further or to disrespect Rod’s memory.

Some people now think the videos should be pulled in deference to the family’s wishes.  They are in mourning, after all, and have lost their only child.

Others think the family’s wishes in this matter are irrelevant and that business is business; the videos should be for sale to anyone who wants to buy them.  After all, Rod made them of his own free will and the producer of the vids paid him for his work.  If his family was going to be upset by their production and sale, he should have thought about that before he made them.  Some have also questioned why members of his family are spending their time looking for his porn videos on-line.

What do you think?  Should the videos be for sale or should the vendor pull them? 


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: LAMA-PAI on September 08, 2005, 08:27:54 PM
go ahead bay buy them already  :-*who cares


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: 2good4u on September 09, 2005, 09:33:18 PM
i joined this forum just to reply to this: i myself used to be a male escort here in new York city, it started off as me being a stripper at showpalace and then the gaity. i found that yes you could make money stripping but you could make even more money escorting, i charged 200dollars for the hour and it was strictly muscle worship or i would let them suck my dick, i NEVER sucked off anyone got f*cked or f*ucked anyone EVER. i am however gay black 6'3 225lbs very ripped and really good looking with a great endowment, however i was never attracted to my clients and saw them as just money.

Most of the strippers i danced with were all straight but they were gay 4 pay or as one stripper put it to me emotionally i am all about the women physically its anyone who can get me off, i used to be shocked at what some of these guys would do in the audience for the money and to my shock their girlfriends knew and would wait outside for them to get off work "go figure" did i mention most of these guys were in someway shape or form addicted to something whether it was alcohol, or drugs and you could litterally see the slow demise of each and everyone of them and as their addiction grew stronger they did more and more to get the money to pay for their addictions.

i knew this one white bodybuilder who had a girlfriend, was featured in muscle and fitness as a up and coming but on the side he danced for men and escorted, great body, great face but the biggest crystal meth head ever and when he did crystal he would pay a black guy to come to his hotel and he would just perform oral on them while he did crystal and he would ask that you cum in his mouth and he would swallow and he would pay "weird huh" and then he would go back with his girlfriend and the shocking part is he did not like other bodybuilders you had to be a really skinny black guy in order for him to get with you.

Muscle Worship for some reason is what most guys pay for, most don't even want sex they just want to feel on your muscles i think it has alot to do with society and men not showing their emotions in public and not touching one another until we as men are starved for some sort of connection with one another as the movie CRASH put it sometimes we crash into one another just to feel human contact.

I am 32 years old and have been out of the escorting industry for about 7years now, i have never done drugs i am HIV- and have a great job every once in a while i will run into one of my "JOHNS" and they will ask me to come over but i never do i am in a different place now and what started off as so much fun became like anything else in life a job and most of my clients were white and it started to get to me that these were executives of fortune 500 company's that would not hire me for one of their companies but i was good enough for sex for 200dollars and i just started to think this was slavery all over again and frankly i became embarrassed because it was always a race thing, most of the "JOHNS" sought out black boys because secretly they loved the sex and they would always say things that let me know i was only their because i was black. so to all of you who don't think this exist think again. 8)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: 2good4u on September 09, 2005, 09:51:01 PM
also i forgot to mention now that i do have a good job, i go to the spots sometimes here in nyc and given the fact i love puerto rican men where they hang out, you know the clubs and adult bookstores and i tell you i think there is a whole new way of thinking because i have been approached many times buy these what appears to be thug boys with hats cocked to the side, tatoos on their arms, teardrops under their eyes and they are all hustling, its a complete shock sometimes to me to see them.

because these are men and boys u would swear on a stack of bibles are straight but yet they are willing to let you suck them or suck you for the low sum of 20bucks, "go figure" i will admit some of the best blowjobs i have had have been by supposedly straight boys who i have given the 20 bucks to, it is just great to look down and see the tatoos and teardrops and even wedding rings. i personally think the "down low" lifestyle is out of control there are so many boys that just crave the attention of a man until all of this is going on.

The other day while on the subway i ran into i had given 20dollars to with his girlfriend and their baby of course i did not speak to him but i just wondered does she know? this guy has no feminine traits whatsoever but yet he loves to suck d*ck and does it like a pro, amazing. so just let this be a lesson to everyone just because it looks a certain way does not mean that it is. :o


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: LAMA-PAI on September 12, 2005, 05:51:20 PM
you may not have aids yet but am sure that's next  :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: NubianMuscle on September 12, 2005, 10:31:16 PM
Two of the San Francisco GP winners have done it ;)

San Francisco Pro Invitational - IFBB Overall Winners

1998 - Levrone, Kevin

2001 - Cormier, Chris

2002 - Priest, Lee

2003 - Cutler, Jay

2004 - Jackson, Dexter

2005 - Cormier, Chris

Things that make you go hmmm...


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 13, 2005, 06:13:08 AM
Alas, the price of knowing is that you can never tell (publicly).  :-X  ;)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: LAMA-PAI on September 13, 2005, 08:07:14 AM
Cormier, Chris,Cormier, Chris

 ;D :P :-* :'(

2002 - Priest, Lee


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 15, 2005, 05:08:24 PM
Apparently, several guys from that escort board are also on getbig.... no less than 5 of them have emailed me about this thread . . .

Anyway, I have been reminded by someone who wishes to remain anonymous that Rock Bruno was also a popular escort for a while.  He fell off the radar screen a while back, but I have no reason to think he is dead.  Can anyone confirm?  Is he dead or alive?  Feel free to send me a private message.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: LAMA-PAI on September 16, 2005, 10:20:02 AM
GUIDO FAGS LOL


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 16, 2005, 12:17:20 PM
Hmm, yummy! I dig muscle Guidos!  Slap some ink on him, lose the pearls, and I'll take him home.  ;D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: LAMA-PAI on September 16, 2005, 04:05:59 PM
super guido  :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: manfromyard on September 17, 2005, 09:33:15 AM
also i forgot to mention now that i do have a good job, i go to the spots sometimes here in nyc and given the fact i love puerto rican men where they hang out, you know the clubs and adult bookstores and i tell you i think there is a whole new way of thinking because i have been approached many times buy these what appears to be thug boys with hats cocked to the side, tatoos on their arms, teardrops under their eyes and they are all hustling, its a complete shock sometimes to me to see them.

because these are men and boys u would swear on a stack of bibles are straight but yet they are willing to let you suck them or suck you for the low sum of 20bucks, "go figure" i will admit some of the best blowjobs i have had have been by supposedly straight boys who i have given the 20 bucks to, it is just great to look down and see the tatoos and teardrops and even wedding rings. i personally think the "down low" lifestyle is out of control there are so many boys that just crave the attention of a man until all of this is going on.

The other day while on the subway i ran into i had given 20dollars to with his girlfriend and their baby of course i did not speak to him but i just wondered does she know? this guy has no feminine traits whatsoever but yet he loves to suck d*ck and does it like a pro, amazing. so just let this be a lesson to everyone just because it looks a certain way does not mean that it is. :o

Why do people still have the misconception that all homosexuals are effiminate? The "flamers" have actually been in the minority of all the gay men I have met. You can't tell from looking who is gay or bi..


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Bigblackstallion on September 17, 2005, 12:43:00 PM
It's fucked up but somebody gotta do it.  This thread ALMOST sounds like a prosecution to the Escorts.

Hell, when you build a body and then everybody starts turning their heads and want a piece of you; If you're not sound financially, emotionally and spiritually - you just may try it.

I can count the times I've been approached only to say NO!

Then they begin HATING you because they can't have you.  It's real phuced up being buffed sometimes.  But hey, thank god they got the escort boys.  Hell Arnold was one.

So, what's the big fucking deal.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: DIVISION on September 17, 2005, 02:09:08 PM
It's fucked up but somebody gotta do it.  This thread ALMOST sounds like a prosecution to the Escorts.

Hell, when you build a body and then everybody starts turning their heads and want a piece of you; If you're not sound financially, emotionally and spiritually - you just may try it.

I can count the times I've been approached only to say NO!

Then they begin HATING you because they can't have you.  It's real phuced up being buffed sometimes.  But hey, thank god they got the escort boys.  Hell Arnold was one.

So, what's the big fucking deal.


You gotta be fucking kidding me.........they become resentful because you won't fuck?

Like a woman hates?

Like a bitch?




DIV


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 18, 2005, 02:38:01 PM
How many “private posers” were on stage at the Europa Supershow in Texas on 9/17?  I count at least 2.  ;D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: LAMA-PAI on September 19, 2005, 03:33:42 PM
bay are you one of the many homo losers who pay for muscles ?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 19, 2005, 04:42:03 PM
bay are you one of the many homo losers who pay for muscles ?

Lama Pia:

You’re obviously new around here . . . otherwise you’d know that I get enough attention without having to pay for it... like my 260# muscle Guido, or the muscle hunks a few miles up the road that have been trying to get me into a three-way.  If you’re really curious about my sex life you can do a search for some of my previous posts or PM me.  No on here wants to hear those stories again.  ;)

Given your interest in queert topics, you might also be interested in the Q&A in this thread.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=20939.0



Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: LAMA-PAI on September 19, 2005, 07:48:18 PM
am so happy for u  :-*


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: SDmuscle on September 24, 2005, 10:06:08 PM
Bay
I recently read an interview that King "Whatever the Hell is last name is", conducted in Muscle Mag. He interviewed 4 pros. The major point of the article was how wide spread was street drug use in BB - nubain , crystal and the like.
King then sort went off tangent and asked the guys what percentage of BB's posed or played with "the gays" for pay. One guy said 85% of the amateurs and about 10% of the pros. Most guys did not give out a number - % that is. But they said it was common.
So, as a lark I signed on to Big Bodies and sent an email to 3 guys. 2 responded back that they would mess around. Amazing. Granted all these guys are not pros - but one of the ones I contacted was.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 25, 2005, 03:36:20 AM
SDmuscle:

I’ve said this to many of the guys who have emailed me privately, and now I’ll join you in saying it publicly.  Yes, a surprising number will “private pose” for money; exactly what constitute private posings will be determined behind closed doors between the two people involved.  The way to find out who is available is rather simple and it is just as you described.

Contact your bodybuilder of choice in a discreet and non threatening manner such as email.  Tell him you have a friend who is a big fan and wants to hire him for a private posing session.  Offer him anywhere from $500 to $2000.  He will either ignore your email, tell you to go to hell, or ask for more info.   

Obviously, such overtures are not going to work with a big name pro with endorsement contracts, but even if you exclude first tier pros, you still have a lot to choose from.  Troll around his website.  If you find him selling intimate items of clothing, private webcam sessions, or reference to him “actively seeking sponsorship” that is often code for “I’m available for the right price.”

As in any business dealing, the approach one takes will often determine the response.  Being referred by a personal contact is the best form of introduction, but the blind email often works just as well.

Some of you keep asking me to name names.  I won't do that.  But if you really want to know, you now have one way of finding out.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Victor VonDoom on September 26, 2005, 06:53:28 AM

Some of you keep asking me to name names.  I won't do that.  But if you really want to know, you now have one way of finding out.

Why would anyone want to know this—unless you were seriously interested in hiring an escort.  Is anyone THAT curious?  Bah!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 27, 2005, 06:49:54 AM
Not sure why some people don’t want to ask questions publicly (no one here is going to judge you), but I don’t know Mike’s age when he died.  I think he was around 45.  That's the last pic of him I have so don't ask for more.  He posed for Colt many years ago so his younger pix are floating around out there somewhere in cyberspace.  Obviously, he email is now defunct.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: vikingpower on September 27, 2005, 06:55:19 AM
the biggest $$ maker i see in this industry is blackmail .... hell, im very tempted to find the forum bay mentioned, do a little "research" ...... and extort the shit outta these queers: i bet many have families and careers and would pay through the nose to keep their dirty little secrets on the dl



whadda ya say bay, wanna go 50/50 ;D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 27, 2005, 07:11:33 AM
Blackmail them for what?  They don’t have any money, remember?  That is why they are escorting?  Oh, you mean pay with sex?  Gotcha!  ;)

Actually, it’s not as secretive as you might think.  Many people know that this goes on.  And a few of these guys are married and their wives know all about it.  Believe it or not, I know of one pro whose wife helps him book his appointments and travel schedule.  Now THAT is what I call progressive!

Another pro I know explained his willingness to private pose this way:  “Body building is about posing for the public.  That’s what we get paid to do.   I pose in front of large crowds all the time; I have no problem posing for an individual.”


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: vikingpower on September 27, 2005, 07:14:05 AM
um

















i ment blackmail the johns ::)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 27, 2005, 07:33:56 AM
LOL.  That’s very J.R. Ewing of you!  But that would require too much leg work.  Most johns are just an email address, or a cell phone number.  To get more info you’d have to actually meet them.  ew!    :-[

Remember, too, that many of these johns are openly gay.  Having gone through the stigma of coming out and being openly gay, tricking with a john isn’t much of a scandal.  Certainly, not enough of one they would pay to conceal . :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: vikingpower on September 27, 2005, 07:45:56 AM
most guys who see female pro's do it on the "dl" .... i would assume its even more discreet with gay ones .......

and trust me, finding someone with an email is totally within the realm of possibility(though not a certainty) ....

whaddya say ... i can get the $$ to move out of my parents house and you can buy yourself a guy with a 15 inch schlong ;D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: LAMA-PAI on September 29, 2005, 07:39:21 PM
alot of oil in them arms lol  ::)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Tombo on October 01, 2005, 03:01:16 AM
because of this thread.. im never visiting getbig again. fuck bodybuilding. ima work out with a completely different outlook now.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: duch on October 11, 2005, 06:30:47 PM
also i forgot to mention now that i do have a good job, i go to the spots sometimes here in nyc and given the fact i love puerto rican men where they hang out, you know the clubs and adult bookstores and i tell you i think there is a whole new way of thinking because i have been approached many times buy these what appears to be thug boys with hats cocked to the side, tatoos on their arms, teardrops under their eyes and they are all hustling, its a complete shock sometimes to me to see them.

because these are men and boys u would swear on a stack of bibles are straight but yet they are willing to let you suck them or suck you for the low sum of 20bucks, "go figure" i will admit some of the best blowjobs i have had have been by supposedly straight boys who i have given the 20 bucks to, it is just great to look down and see the tatoos and teardrops and even wedding rings. i personally think the "down low" lifestyle is out of control there are so many boys that just crave the attention of a man until all of this is going on.

The other day while on the subway i ran into i had given 20dollars to with his girlfriend and their baby of course i did not speak to him but i just wondered does she know? this guy has no feminine traits whatsoever but yet he loves to suck d*ck and does it like a pro, amazing. so just let this be a lesson to everyone just because it looks a certain way does not mean that it is. :o

i find your point about males wanting/needing contact with other males interesting.  my father died whilst i was a baby, my mother never married.  i joined the navy at 18, and was overjoyed to serve on a number of ships around the world.  I did very well in the service, working for very senior personnel until i left at 29.  i was often asked by guys if i would accompany them to parties etc, and i admit i did on a small number of occasions, but soon realised that this road would go somewhere where i probably did not want to be in the future.  i am now working in a very female-dominated industry, and missing male role models, which why, i guess, i am getting interested in the bb world - which i am very new to.

men should talk to each other more, though i see so much competition between men, that i feel everyone one of us is trying to outdo the other, to the extent that it is vertually impossible to find new friendships with guys.  perhaps i shall find them in the bb community. i am 42 though, and doubtful.





Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on October 13, 2005, 01:54:04 PM
Brad 's muscles for sale?  Say it isn't so...  :'(


Let’s assume Brad charges $500 per private posing session/feats of strength, etc.  If he sees two johns per day, based on his posted itinerary he’s going to make quite a bit more than the wannabes at the upcoming Olympia.

http://www.bradhollibaugh.net/homepage.php

More power to Brad, but how sad is it that so many are competing for so little money at body building’s main event.  :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: LAMA-PAI on October 14, 2005, 07:12:54 PM
FAG :-*


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on October 15, 2005, 12:27:00 PM
FAG :-*

Gee, this pic looks very familiar.  (Balding) Men in the audience “admiring” the scantily clad muscle men on stage... while they pose and flex for your beneft..  Hmm, where have we seen this before?  ;D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on October 16, 2005, 11:02:21 AM
About a year ago I read that Chris Duffy was launching his own website but many moons later nothing has happened.  I know he was/is escorting but otherwise he appears to have retreated from public life.  What’s the 411?

btw, I dig those tattoos!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on November 20, 2005, 12:11:47 PM
Mickey Squires announced this month that he has officially retired from escorting.  He says he’s been doing it for 25 years! 

In his own words, “ . . . i now know it's time to let go of this business and leave it to all the men here who are so young and muscled...as i once was . . . well actually i am still very muscled...just too old to really think i can hire myself out anymore . . . ”



Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: sarcasm on January 05, 2006, 12:31:11 PM
small chest and traps.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: sarcasm on January 05, 2006, 03:04:26 PM
why should they feel sorry for him, he got what he wanted they got what they wanted, people make their own choices in life.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: blinky on January 07, 2006, 06:35:28 AM
i still dont get why nobody was allowed to talk about how they died.
it's almost as if they are trying to hide something

can somebody say conspiracy?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on January 07, 2006, 06:59:14 AM
i still dont get why nobody was allowed to talk about how they died.
it's almost as if they are trying to hide something

can somebody say conspiracy?

There are usually two takes on talking about the deaths of these escorts.

One camp (of which I am a part) says it’s natural to ask about the cause of death when a young person dies unexpectedly.  Actually, this is true at any age.  If you tell me someone died in a car accident my curiosity is satisfied; I don’t care to know the specific physiological cause of death.  Car accident is enough.  Potential cloning aside, we all come into life the same say, but we all exit life under different circumstances.  In most parts of the world the cause of a person’s death is something people want to know--especially if it was someone you knew, was a fan of, patronized, etc.

The other camp doesn’t believe it is appropriate to ask/know.  I think they feel this way because if the cause of death is shown to be something like overdosing on drugs (which is common), people in this camp, on some level, feel that they contributed to the death by supporting an activity (escorting) that frequently involves drug use.  The feeling of culpability is heightened by the fact that very often people in this camp are still engaged in the behavior (renting escorts) that, on some level, lead to the death.  In other words, not knowing or not having it talked about allows them to wash their hands of any and all responsibility in the death so they can continue to rent escorts without compunction.

That’s my theory anyway.  Obviously, people in the second camp would disagree.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: blinky on January 07, 2006, 07:11:58 AM
that sounds like a pretty good theory.
my only problem is that it sounds like ALOT of them died within a couple years. so that combined with the anger about asking what happened and banning those that did just sounds kind of fishy.

lets hope at least some good comes from their deaths.  like other escorts seeing this and getting out while they are still alive?

interesting story Bay


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on January 07, 2006, 10:43:17 AM
that sounds like a pretty good theory.
my only problem is that it sounds like ALOT of them died within a couple years. so that combined with the anger about asking what happened and banning those that did just sounds kind of fishy.

lets hope at least some good comes from their deaths.  like other escorts seeing this and getting out while they are still alive?


For the most part that is wishful thinking.  For every escort that crashes and burns there are 5 waiting in line to take his place with a dream of a quick money and little thought given to the potential for how badly things can go.

Back in August when this thread was still popular no less than seven guys sent me private messages on getbig asking for the link of that escort board.  Some said they were just “curious.”  Others were more upfront: they wanted to try escorting and they thought that board sounded like a good venue to find clients. :(

If your curious, I declined to provide the link.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: DIVISION on January 07, 2006, 10:46:52 AM
For the most part that is wishful thinking.  For every escort that crashes and burns there are 5 waiting in line to take his place with a dream of a quick money and little thought given to the potential for how badly things can go.

GayBay,

Why in your opinion is it so difficult for these escorts to do this line of work without resorting to drugs?

Can't they just do the job, get their money and get out like any other person working a job?

Why is it they fall prey to drugs?

Speak on this, white puppy.



DIV


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on January 07, 2006, 11:24:36 AM
Good question.

The notion of surplus (or what feels like surplus) cash being converted into drugs is very common.  Does a week go by when some overpaid celebrity isn’t in the news for being strung out on drugs and alcohol?

My sense is that some personality types are simply more inclined to susceptibility to drug use/addiction.  It seems like ALL are dying from drugs because this thread is basically focused on the ones who crashed and burned, but I’m sure there are escorts out there who are not on drugs.

I think, too, that a lot of escorts are conflicted A) about their sexuality and B) about what they are doing.  Drugs, and the “comfort” they afford are a common yet ineffective way to deal with this conflict.

If you’re a ‘straight’ , bi-curious bodybuilder, or a gay man struggling with internalized homophobia, drug use can make you feel better about hooking up with a guy.  Similarly, it can make you feel better about being an escort.  Polite words aside, no one dreams of becoming a prostitute and I have to believe on some level most of these guys actually disapprove of what they are doing as escorts.  Again, drugs help address this conflict.  But addictive substances are a slippery slope; before long you are hooked.  Your habit prevents you from holding steady work, so you have to whore yourself out even more since you don’t have a “real” job.  Before long, all you have the time and motivation for is the gym and raising more money the easiest way you know how: turning tricks.

Even if you have a real job you get so used to the extra money that you continue to trick.  Either way, drugs figure prominently in the escort scene.

Less than a minute searching on the internet will reveal that male to male escorting is a big business and muscle escorting is just a small subset of that.  I just checked: there are more than 12500 registered members on that muscle escort board--and remember, that is just a subset of the larger pool of man to man escorting that goes on.:-\


DIV check your PM 8)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: deviant on January 07, 2006, 11:37:45 AM
I've been around drugs a bit, partied through the 90s in the british rave scene, used ecstacy, speed, lsd, cannabis, mushrooms and cocaine but what the fuck is 'chrystal meth'?.....this seems something talked about a lot by americans but something i've never come across in the UK....also PCP, what is that?

Answers please  ???


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on January 07, 2006, 11:41:06 AM
I've been around drugs a bit, partied through the 90s in the british rave scene, used ecstacy, speed, lsd, cannabis, mushrooms and cocaine but what the f**k is 'chrystal meth'?.....this seems something talked about a lot by americans but something i've never come across in the UK....also PCP, what is that?

Answers please  ???

Google is your friend.  Google both terms and you'll find lots of info. :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: deviant on January 07, 2006, 11:42:36 AM
Google is your friend.  Google both terms and you'll find lots of info. :-\

I was hoping to be lazy and just have you tell me.....but google it is then.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Supersoaker on January 07, 2006, 01:10:17 PM
I've been around drugs a bit, partied through the 90s in the british rave scene, used ecstacy, speed, lsd, cannabis, mushrooms and cocaine but what the f**k is 'chrystal meth'?.....this seems something talked about a lot by americans but something i've never come across in the UK....also PCP, what is that?

Answers please  ???

Crystal meth(ice) is a drug made by redneck bikers in trailer homes. Well not anymore anyway....The market was taken over by huge labs now in Mexico. ...I was with a girl that liked to use the stuff on occasion. She could suck a golf ball through a garden hose lol.....It's made out of all kinds of nasty houshold chemicals, but psuedophedrine is one of the primary ingredients. It's extremely addictive - almost as bad as heroin. People take it and get high out of their minds, violent, and paranoid. They stay up for days. Chemically it's similar to ritalin and adderall.

PCP(angel dust/sherm/embalming fluid) is a dissociative anaesthetic. It was originally used in veterinarian facilities as far as I know.
When the put the animals under for surgery. This is another drug people get violent on. I remember years back this golly fell through the bushes and his woman was screaming at him. He was naked and curled up in a fetal position. Suddenly he jumped up and ran barefoot through the yard and jumped the fence like an escaped gorilla. I shit you not! It was PCP I came to find out later after talking to one of the cops about it. There was another incident a while back. Another golly was riding a bicycle naked and punching people as he drove by. hahaha. He was mumbling something about being a gorilla hahaha. This is the kind of shit people do on PCP. They dissociate and they are damn near impervious to pain. I saw one on the show cops punch a hole through a fence like nothing. Good shit.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Supersoaker on January 07, 2006, 01:17:21 PM
If you want to get a PCP-like high. Drink 8oz(240ml) of Robitussin DM with dextromethorphan as the only active ingredient. The dextromethorphan will give you a similar effect as it's related to PCP. It's in the dissociative anaesthetic class. But I don't reccomend it. Being mummified and on another planet isn't a good high.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on January 08, 2006, 05:36:52 AM
i knew john from the new york BB seen but was by no means a friend
i saw him before he went into the hospital 6 months ago and he was sadly a mess ! he was once about 280 and when i saw him he looked to have been 130 lbs and had the shakes he tried seeling some test gel lol !
i could not  buy anything from him because i just felt like i was only helping him kill himself faster.
he had a few medical problems
that sure made me think he had aids all the christal and unprotected sex kills you fast ! he had a real girlfriend that would take care of him but sadly she left once things got bad ....cant say i blame her
huslers just dont last that life is just plain ugly !

That's kinda what I was trying to say in my earlier post #143 above.  :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: DIVISION on January 08, 2006, 09:37:53 AM
That's kinda what I was trying to say in my earlier post #143 above.  :-\

GayBay,

Aren't there any successful cases of former escorts changing their ways and finding a way to make it out the game?

or is that just Blasphemy?






DIV
 


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on January 08, 2006, 02:22:36 PM
GayBay,

Aren't there any successful cases of former escorts changing their ways and finding a way to make it out the game?

or is that just Blasphemy?

I suppose there are escorts who come away with their lives and health intact, but they disappear into anonymity.  Few people who go on to prosperity advertise the fact that they used to be escorts.  Once in a while former clients will step forward to say that years ago they hired “so and so” but how often does that happen?  If the guy does not become famous (Arnold) former clients are unlikely to ever see him again.

One person I can think of is Bob Paris.  He used to advertise in the classified section of Advocate (a gay magazine) back in the days before internet took over for connecting escorts and clients.  This claim would be difficult to prove, but I’m sure someone somewhere is hoarding old issues of that magazine in his basement or attic.  If one knew what to look for and had the resources it could be proven.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: blinky on January 08, 2006, 02:48:59 PM
thats the sad truth. you only ever hear about the negative(i.e death, OD, failure)
you almost never hear the stories of the ones who got out.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: DIVISION on January 08, 2006, 07:50:46 PM
thats the sad truth. you only ever hear about the negative(i.e death, OD, failure)
you almost never hear the stories of the ones who got out.

Exactly.

You'd have to think there were some sad souls who escaped the game before it ate them alive.





DIV


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on March 10, 2006, 08:43:04 AM
Word on the street is that another one has bitten the dust.   :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: DIVISION on March 10, 2006, 09:14:05 AM
Word on the street is that another one has bitten the dust.   :'(


Word on the street is that you are juiced and white!

Word up, y0!





DIV


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: kt007 on March 10, 2006, 09:07:09 PM
This shit has been happening forever.  Chris Dickerson.....Mr. Olympia was into this, in the 70's.  My friend who was Teen Mr America and Jr Mr USA used to have old rich dudes waiting outside Golds to proposition them all the time.  1000 is alot when you need to eat and they would just throw the drugs in.  He used to tell me how John Brown and friends would sit in the locker room before they would workout and do lines to get fired up.......I think thats when they brought Shawn Ray up as a little buddy....lol.  Not saying Shawn was involved but I bet he knows what I mean.....lol.  People everywhere selling themselves one way or another.  I think alot reading this section are looking for a way to get into the action...lol.  Its sick to me but its the truth.  Let me get back to the ladies....fast. 
Kt


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: bigmikecox on March 11, 2006, 05:59:33 AM
I suppose there are escorts who come away with their lives and health intact, but they disappear into anonymity.  Few people who go on to prosperity advertise the fact that they used to be escorts.  Once in a while former clients will step forward to say that years ago they hired “so and so” but how often does that happen?  If the guy does not become famous (Arnold) former clients are unlikely to ever see him again.

One person I can think of is Bob Paris.  He used to advertise in the classified section of Advocate (a gay magazine) back in the days before internet took over for connecting escorts and clients.  This claim would be difficult to prove, but I’m sure someone somewhere is hoarding old issues of that magazine in his basement or attic.  If one knew what to look for and had the resources it could be proven.


Bob Paris???? :-[



Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on March 11, 2006, 08:23:28 AM
This shit has been happening forever . . .  I think alot reading this section are looking for a way to get into the action...lol.  Its sick to me but its the truth.  Let me get back to the ladies....fast. 
Kt

I can confirm that.  When this thread was in its hey day, I got several private messages from posters here asking for the link to that gaymuscle/escort site.  Some said they were “just curious” while others admitted they wanted to give it a try.  Don’t worry, your secrets are safe; I’ll never name names.

I just jumped over to that board and noticed the following in one of the threads.

"What do escorts expect us to report about ourselves when making an appointment?" It's always been safe to assume they want to know what the client is into. How about a client's description of himself?

Should a client feel required to tell, or should an escort expect to be told:
a client is over age 70? a client is physically challenged, in a wheelchair? missing a limb? hearing impaired? of middle-eastern descent, given the current political climate in USA? extra tall or extra short? near 400 lbs? suffering from a non-contagious but very unsightly skin condition? etc. etc.


I may be a snob because I only connect with hot men, but as the thread I just read suggests, if you’re an escort you really are expected to hook up with all kinds of unattractive people.  Ew!  I could never do that for any amount of money.  I knew a muscle dude in California who tried escorting briefly and quit for just that reason.  He thought it would be easy money, but all his clients were repulsive and he just couldn't stomach it :P


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on April 01, 2006, 10:36:05 AM
He can be all yours (by the hour) if the price is right.  I hear this guy is often booked solid.  He must be pulling in some dough  :-\

Very nice quads, I must say. :)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: onlyme on April 01, 2006, 11:42:03 AM
Bay do you anything about the big party after the NOC each year.  I heard this a major moeny maker for allot of the BB's


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on April 01, 2006, 12:03:53 PM
I don’t know nothin’ about nothin’; that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.  But if you care to connect the dots on your own, that is your affair . . .

dot #1 lots of in shape bodybuilders will be there, on stage and in the audience.
dot #2 lots of their “appreciative” fans/admirers will be there, gay, straight, and very bicurious.
dot #3 people will do almost anything for money and ego.
dot #4 what % of BB fans have wanted to touch, knead, caress, grope or be manhandled by the huge muscles they look at from a distance?  I would say 99.9999%!  Anyone who pays to go to a BB show or buys those videos & magazines and claims they have no interest in touching or being touched by the muscle is in serious denial. 
dot #5 if you do something behind closed doors and no one knows about it, did it really happen?
dot #6 most competitors walk away from the contest stage with no prize winnings to show for it.

Need I go on?  ;)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: bobbyglen on April 07, 2006, 04:28:07 PM
For as long as there has been people that are gay, there has been many BB that are gay..

 Some of the top BB are BI.... :-*

 So what !


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Joe Roark on April 07, 2006, 06:35:22 PM
This shit has been happening forever.  Chris Dickerson.....Mr. Olympia was into this, in the 70's.  My friend who was Teen Mr America and Jr Mr USA used to have old rich dudes waiting outside Golds to proposition them all the time.  1000 is alot when you need to eat and they would just throw the drugs in.  He used to tell me how John Brown and friends would sit in the locker room before they would workout and do lines to get fired up.......I think thats when they brought Shawn Ray up as a little buddy....lol.  Not saying Shawn was involved but I bet he knows what I mean.....lol.  People everywhere selling themselves one way or another.  I think alot reading this section are looking for a way to get into the action...lol.  Its sick to me but its the truth.  Let me get back to the ladies....fast. 
Kt

If you mean your friend won the overall at both the Teen America and at the Jr. Mr. USA, then you have probably just identified him...that list is very short.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on April 16, 2006, 07:35:13 AM
10,000+ views!  And only ~170 posts? Who knew muscle escorting would be so popular?  ;D  Where are my critics who keep insisting that bodybuilding is a heterosexual pastime?  Is anyone here prepared to disagree with this statement?


dot #4 what % of BB fans have wanted to touch, knead, caress, grope or be manhandled by the huge muscles they look at from a distance?  I would say 99.9999%!  Anyone who pays to go to a BB show or buys those videos & magazines and claims they have no interest in touching or being touched by the muscle is in serious denial. 


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on April 18, 2006, 05:36:46 AM
LOL . . . I thought not.  :D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on April 18, 2006, 02:39:59 PM
For two bucks, he'll let you a cop a feel.  DA may want to lighten up on the juice... that roid gut is getting pretty bulbous!  :o


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: blondmusclhunk on April 19, 2006, 11:48:28 AM
Gay men in Gyms with good physiques are everywhere.  Its not like the 80' anymore when they were all scrawny mostly.  A large amount of go go boys are gay for pay I think they just say that because they dont want to accept the fact that they are gay.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on April 19, 2006, 11:56:46 AM
Gay men in Gyms with good physiques are everywhere.  Its not like the 80' anymore when they were all scrawny mostly.  A large amount of go go boys are gay for pay I think they just say that because they dont want to accept the fact that they are gay.

Bingo.

I’m gay and I would not have straight sex for pay.  No modest amount of money (say less than $5000) would prompt a straight man to suck another man’s dick (or more)! 

If a guy is willing to do that sort of thing for $300 (the cost of a typical session) he is gay or bisexual.  Period.  Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

The muscle Guido who sucks my dick would kill anyone who called him gay--including me!  Well, maybe not me.  ;)



Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: LuciusFox on April 22, 2006, 08:01:03 PM
Bingo.

I’m gay and I would not have straight sex for pay.  No modest amount of money (say less than $5000) would prompt a straight man to suck another man’s dick (or more)! 

If a guy is willing to do that sort of thing for $300 (the cost of a typical session) he is gay or bisexual.  Period.  Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

The muscle Guido who sucks my dick would kill anyone who called him gay--including me!  Well, maybe not me.  ;)



  The Japanese used to practice manly love. That didn't make them gay.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on April 23, 2006, 05:06:47 AM
  The Japanese used to practice manly love. That didn't make them gay.

As opposed to Americans?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: LuciusFox on April 23, 2006, 11:01:28 AM
As opposed to Americans?

  I think the Japanese manly love was a little bit different ;D They liked younger men/older boys. I don't get why ???


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: blondmusclhunk on April 28, 2006, 02:12:49 PM
Trust me if a guy is having full blown sex with a guy your more than likely gay but just dont want to admit it to yourself.  There is a difference if your stripping at say a gay club or something and guys are touching but to have sex with a guy??


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: baracine on April 29, 2006, 05:54:16 AM
I'm gay, French-Canadian, Catholic, in my fifties. I am a successful professional and I find my body acceptable. I have a satisfying sex life. But I sometimes like to say that if it wasn't for straight guys, I wouldn't have a sex life at all... It's an exaggeration, of course, but I tend to run into lots of straight guys who appreciate a change in their sexual routine. And believe me when I say: it doesn't change who they are. They do it for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that there is a "normal", inescapable homosexual component in every straight man's libido that needs to be fulfilled once in a while, no matter what the means is. Some do it by glorifying athletes. Some do it by bonding with their close friends. Some do it by sucking up to their boss. Some do it by drinking themselves into a stupor once in a while. Some do it by meeting up with me. To some men, the realization of this "fact of life" comes naturally. To some men, it causes a problem. The funny thing is even I can never tell which category a straight man I happen to be attracted to will fall into, except that the farther away one is, culturally, from WASP traditions, the easier the encounter becomes. But I still do my pitch every time I have the chance ;D.

I'm pretty much out of the gay scene. And, in general, I admit I have more fun with straight guys than gay guys. They have less mental stress, they usually have a wife who cares about their appearance, they don't play seduction games, they have a serious outlook on life while being easygoing, they don't want a disease or a relationship, they usually know what they want and go for it, they are spontaneous, they are always horny, they are considerate, they are discreet and they call when they can't make a date, which gay people have tendency not to do anymore. And, of course, they have a charming disposition and the body of a god, which they like to see appreciated for a change.

Having said this, for a special extra treat, nothing compares, for me, with an occasional gay-for-pay encounter with a straight bodybuilder. The ones I have met I have mostly befriended at dancing bars. I always go for the straight ones, who might sometimes call themselves "bi" - so as not to scare you. I have always found encounters with gays in that context disappointing. Straight guys are usually more confident in a "muscle worship" situation.

As far as drugs and lifestyle are concerned, I have had only one of them (a rather locally well-known amateur football player who is serious about bodybuilding) offer to share BGH (bovine growth hormone - the date rape drug, actually) with me as a relaxant during an encounter. I have dealt once with a former Mr. Canada - wonderful guy in every respect - who admitted doing stretches on steroids as part of his competitive schedule. (That guy has a wife, had a discreet, older sugar daddy in Las Vegas and has just retired and opened his own gym in a suburb of Toronto.) Another one usually shares a joint. I consider that rather tame compared to the crystal meth predominant in the gay party scene (from what I hear). My most regular encounter is with a ex-Romanian army officer, an immigrant in his late thirties with the natural body of a Roman general's statue. He gave up dancing and is a successful personal trainer and karate instructor at a high-end gym in the city. He is also very popular with the ladies. I guess he still meets up with me occasionally to make ends meet or perhaps even because we genuinely respect each other. (I can hear snickers here.) I seriously doubt that he sees anybody else in that fashion. I consider him a nice guy and I like to see him making progress in his new life here in Canada. I seriously mean it when I say he can call on me anytime with any problem or question. I was genuinely touched the day he asked me for a service that didn't involve sexual gratification.

I guess I'm posting this to tell you that the escort scene doesn't have to be the hell-on-earth spiral of degradation you are imagining. I have met up with genuine "stars" in the field who act as if they're giving you a papal audience and they have a press agent waiting for them in their double-parked limousine. Those guys usually have their own website, a line of muscle worship videos, big-time drug problems, a terminally frizzy outlook on life, low self-esteem and a short lifespan. They're also lousy lays. I can now recognize them for what they are and avoid them.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on April 29, 2006, 10:32:13 AM
Some of what you say is unarguable.  I agree that most men have a homosexual impulse and that has to be fulfilled at least once in a while and different men address that impulse in different ways from homo sex, to glorifying athletes (body building? wrestling?), to drinking/drugs, to joining the priesthood.  I also agree that some men address this impulse naturally while for others it becomes a lifelong problem (and every range in between). 

I agree, too, that the farther away one is, culturally, from WASP traditions, the easier man to man encounters become.

I disagree however, with a number of other things you say.  For example, you mention being “out of the gay scene.”  If I hear that phrase one more time, I’ll barf.  A lot of men (who connect with other men) seem to take a measure of pride in asserting that they are not part of “the gay scene.”

• they go to glory holes for anonymous sex but claim they are not part of the gay scene.
• they hire male escorts but claim they are not part of the gay scene.
• they advertise on gay web sites and even say in their on-line profiles that they are not into the gay scene.
• they go to gay bars ‘once in a while’ but claim they are not part of the gay scene.
• some spend lots of time and money on body building (attending shows, buying magazine DVDs, etc.) but they are not part of the scene.
• they go to sex shops and buy all matter of toys and paraphernalia but claim they are not part of the gay scene
• I could give a number of other examples...

Here’s a news flash: anyone who does any of the above is part of the gay scene.  The “gay scene” such as it is, is wide and varied; it’s not just about marching in gay pride parades...

I believe in live and let live, but I am not a fan of pay4sex encounters.  If you read the posts from Johns on muscle escort sites (and I have) you will see that a lot of the Johns who participate in these encounters have convinced themselves that they have some sort of real friendship/relationship with the prostitute (that the prostitute doesn’t have with anyone else).  They think they have a “special” friendship, a “unique” understanding, that they “respect” each other, in addition to be John/escort they are also “friends” etc. etc.  One sees this kind of talk over and over again.

The (usually 40s, 50s, & 60s+) Johns who think this need to ask themselves two questions: 1) would I have met this person if I hadn’t put money on the table? and 2) would this heavily muscled young man be spending time with me and taking his clothes off if I wasn’t opening my wallet?  In virtually all cases the answer is no.

These are the same people who shed 'tears' when an escort turns up dead and post messages about how much they 'cared' for the guy even as they book appointments with someone else.  A lot of “hetero” men are in serious denial, but so are a lot of gay ones...

baracine, my comments above are not necessarily a slap at you, rather they are a response to a pattern of behavior I have seen over and over again.  btw, anyone who follows body building has seen this same pattern, whether they realize it or not.  :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: baracine on April 29, 2006, 10:44:58 AM
I disagree however, with a number of other things you say.  For example, you mention being “out of the gay scene.”  If I hear that phrase one more time, I’ll barf.  A lot of men (who connect with other men) seem to take a measure of pride in asserting that they are not part of “the gay scene.”

• they go to glory holes for anonymous sex but claim they are not part of the gay scene.
• they hire male escorts but claim they are not part of the gay scene.
• they advertise on gay web sites and even say in their on-line profiles that they are not into the gay scene.
• they go to gay bars ‘once in a while’ but claim they are not part of the gay scene.
• some spend lots of time and money on body building (attending shows, buying magazine DVDs, etc.) but they are not part of the scene.
• they go to sex shops and buy all matter of toys and paraphernalia but claim they are not part of the gay scene
• I could give a number of other examples...

Here’s a news flash: anyone who does any of the above is part of the gay scene.  The “gay scene” such as it is, is wide and varied; it’s not just about marching in gay pride parades...

Thanks for the news flash. I still maintain I am out of the gay scene and that I am proud of that fact. It saves me both time and trouble. I don't associate with gay people, except old friends (and they are very few). I am an educated bilingual French man exiled in the middle of a city full of ignorant, prejudiced, unilingual, Americanized, mostly shallow and insecure gays. I stopped going to bars a long time ago. When I'm in a dance club, I'm basically conducting a private transaction with a straight man (who was usually born outside this country) in a public place. Even my anonymous sex is with straight men if I can help it. I'm just not that good at being "gay". The only gay part of me is my sexual orientation, basically. I understand gay culture, It's just that "gay culture" doesn't understand the rest of me.

Quote
I believe in live and let live, but I am not a fan of pay4sex encounters.  If you read the posts from Johns on muscle escort sites (and I have) you will see that a lot of the Johns who participate in these encounters have convinced themselves that they have some sort of real friendship/relationship with the prostitute (that the prostitute doesn’t have with anyone else).  They think they have a “special” friendship, a “unique” understanding, that they “respect” each other, in addition to be John/escort they are also “friends” etc. etc.  One sees this kind of talk over and over again.

The (usually 40s, 50s, & 60s+) Johns who think this need to ask themselves two questions: 1) would I have met this person if I hadn’t put money on the table? and 2) would this heavily muscled young man be spending time with me and taking his clothes off if I wasn’t opening my wallet?  In virtually all cases the answer is no.

These are the same people who shed 'tears' when an escort turns up dead and post messages about how much they 'cared' for the guy even as they book appointments with someone else.  A lot of “hetero” men are in serious denial, but so are a lot of gay ones...

baracine, my comments above are not necessarily a slap at you, rather they are a response to a pattern of behavior I have seen over and over again.  btw, anyone who follows body building has seen this same pattern, whether they realize it or not.  :-\

I know I am one of those johns and that is not a glorious state in itself, just another consumer behaviour. I am a male consumer of male pulchritude. But I consider the money I invest in those straight bodybuilders' future a small price to pay compared to the time, aggravation and heartache of pursuing an unreliable game-playing cockteaser who thinks he's God's gift to homo lust. I probably wouldn't have met my straight Romanian army officer if not for the particular way the spotlight hit his buns on stage and if I couldn't afford him. Still, I consider myself a friend of his and he can always come to me for help. What you have to understand is that his friendship is special and unique to me and important in my life.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Victor VonDoom on May 01, 2006, 07:41:18 AM
What you have to understand is that his friendship is special and unique to me and important in my life.

Of all the people on the planet you could form a special or unique friendship with and consider important in your life, you chose a muscle prostitute?

Aim higher.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: baracine on May 01, 2006, 08:06:28 AM
Aim higher.
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connaît pas, Pascal wrote. (The heart has its reasons, which reason knows not.)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: blondmusclhunk on May 01, 2006, 09:56:24 AM
Most straight guys would never even look at a guy unless in comparison physique wise.  If a straight guy is having time to time home experiences he is gay but has not come to terms with it in his mind.  a lot of guys may classify themselves as bi too but in reality if they are not satisfied with the female gender and want men they are gay and just dont want to admit it for whatever religious or cultural, family issues there are. 


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on May 01, 2006, 10:00:09 AM
Often this is true but not always.  There ARE people who are legitimately bisexual--they are not hiding or wrestling with their homosexual feelings.  50/50, 60/40, 70/30, etc.  Bisexuality is a difficult cultural space to occupy but it is a real orientation.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Deedee on May 01, 2006, 10:17:49 AM
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I am an educated bilingual French man exiled in the middle of a city full of ignorant, prejudiced, unilingual, Americanized, mostly shallow and insecure gays.

Petit lapin, I feel for you. But then, why would you leave the only "good" city in Canada to be where you are now?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: baracine on May 01, 2006, 01:15:36 PM
Petit lapin, I feel for you. But then, why would you leave the only "good" city in Canada to be where you are now?

Le travail, évidemment.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Deedee on May 01, 2006, 02:05:57 PM
Le travail, évidemment.

lol, of course...that would be the ONLY explainable reason! 


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Victor VonDoom on May 01, 2006, 05:31:26 PM
A friendship based on money is not friendship. Muscle escorts are not your friends.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Migs on May 01, 2006, 06:49:37 PM
interesting thread. does the same occur with female muscle escorts?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on May 07, 2006, 05:21:22 AM
...I guess I'm posting this to tell you that the escort scene doesn't have to be the hell-on-earth spiral of degradation you are imagining. I have met up with genuine "stars" in the field who act as if they're giving you a papal audience and they have a press agent waiting for them in their double-parked limousine. Those guys usually have their own website, a line of muscle worship videos, big-time drug problems, a terminally frizzy outlook on life, low self-esteem and a short lifespan. They're also lousy lays. I can now recognize them for what they are and avoid them.

Hmm, it sounds as if you are confirming--not challenging--the “hell-on-earth spiral of degradation.”  :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on June 27, 2006, 06:32:30 AM
Would you pay for this?  This man is soliciting "clients" on some muscle/escort boards.  :-\

Maybe Arvilla can help him with some dieting tips?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: baracine on June 27, 2006, 06:55:06 AM
Would you pay for this?  This man is soliciting "clients" on some muscle/escort boards.  :-\

I would certainly accept a gift-coupon!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on June 27, 2006, 07:11:20 AM
lol.  he's ok... but it would have to be a freebie.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: petesake on June 27, 2006, 08:23:22 PM
Would you pay for this?  This man is soliciting "clients" on some muscle/escort boards.  :-\

Maybe Arvilla can help him with some dieting tips?

No...but I would pay for this....

(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5750/jmback8wx.th.jpg) (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmback8wx.jpg)

(http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/656/jmbooty7hf.th.jpg) (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jmbooty7hf.jpg)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: petesake on June 28, 2006, 12:58:32 AM
You can click on the image shack links and see the pics.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Victor VonDoom on June 28, 2006, 05:23:51 AM
I would certainly accept a gift-coupon!

Doom is mildly amused.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on July 13, 2006, 08:59:23 PM
seems to me to be poor taste to post nude pics of the dead and talk about their lifestyles.

You’re entitled to your opinion, of course, but if you were being true to your apparent disapproval would you have been reading a thread on this topic that is weeks old or even commenting on it?  Or do you routinely take the time to comb through old topics and reactivate them only to voice your disapproval?

With more than 14000 views this thread has proven to be the fifth most popular topic in this forum (that is not a sticky) so your view is clearly in the minority, all of which begs the question of what you are doing here if you find all this beneath your standards.

This is the sex forum after all and its purpose is “sexual talk that may be more than one can handle.”  Your concerns about “good taste” remind me of the johns on the muscle escort board.  They don’t mind renting muscle by the hour but when an escort turns up dead they feign moral indignation and attack anyone who dares to question how the escort died or how the activity of tricking with johns might have contributed to the death.

In the words of another hypocrite in this thread, maybe you need to “check yo’ self.”   :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Victor VonDoom on July 14, 2006, 05:10:15 PM
...In the words of another hypocrite in this thread, maybe you need to “check yo’ self.”   :-\


Considerable ownage.   :-[

Doom approves.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: nycbull on July 16, 2006, 05:38:29 PM
Hey straight guys dont be fooled by BAY's "Im just telling you like it is" fake sincerity. He is totally getting off on shocking straight guys by posting naked pics of muscle men. I hate these type of gay men, they hurt the whole community. Its kinda of like the thrill a flasher gets when flashing someone. What is the point of showing these escorts dicks in a thread meant to discuss escorting in bodybuilding? The more he can shock you or suprise you by showing you a dong on a muscle "straight" guy doing gay for pay the more he is getting off. He is under the delusion that you guys will get turned on by it, and that for some strange reason satisfies him.

Actually I have seen many threads on GETBIG that a gay guy will start in effort to trick you guys into talking about guys posing trunks or ripped glutes. Dont be fooled by these threads. Have them deleted.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on July 18, 2006, 10:17:48 AM
Hey straight guys dont be fooled by BAY's "Im just telling you like it is" fake sincerity...Dont be fooled by these threads. Have them deleted.

You're about a year too late.  I've fooled them all with my sinister threads and now they are all under my power forever!  ;D


Seriously, with 15 posts under your belt, you are obviously new around here so let me clue you in.  This is the sex forum where nude pix are routinely posted so I don’t think anyone here is “shocked” by nude photos of any kind.

If I were trying to be a rogue, I would be posting nude photos in other forums where they would be unwelcome and mods there would be deleting them.

There is a time and place for everything; this is the forum for this kind of discussion.  This thread has been active for almost a year; if Grant and Dina didn’t object to it (and obviously, the dozens of participants don’t object) why should you?

If you can't handle what is being said here, move on.  You will not be missed.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: muscleforlife on July 18, 2006, 12:15:30 PM
Hi Gaybm,

I just read this thread from top to bottom.

Very informative and interesting.  single girlfriends tell me that some of thier boyfriends are interesting in anal play.
Would that make them gay, bi or just more in touch with their sexuality?

I think that with all of the gay bashing that goes on, there are a lot more suppressed male sexuality for men and they don't understand or are afraid of thier desires.

Sidebar, Lesbianism is gay.
Think Rosie O'Donnell and Ellen Degeneres.

Sandra


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on July 19, 2006, 02:03:30 PM
Hi Gaybm,

I just read this thread from top to bottom.

Very informative and interesting.  single girlfriends tell me that some of thier boyfriends are interesting in anal play.
Would that make them gay, bi or just more in touch with their sexuality?

I think that with all of the gay bashing that goes on, there are a lot more suppressed male sexuality for men and they don't understand or are afraid of thier desires.

Agreed.

But I don’t think an individual sex act makes someone gay or straight; I think who you want to do them with is a better indicator. 

Is kissing gay or straight?
Is pouring hot wax on your partner gay or straight?
Is oral sex gay or straight? 

I think you get my point.  I would get no gratification from kissing any woman or strategically dripping hot wax on parts of her body but doing either of these with a muscle hunk of my choice would be pretty hot.

I don’t think there is anything gay about anal play between a man and a woman, but the fact that you have to ask this question says a lot about how limited the sex lives of heterosexual men really are.  There are many things they might enjoy, but would never do (with a woman) because they are very limited in the way they think about their sexuality.  Playing with toys, role play, being submissive with a woman are all examples of things that most guys would never do with a woman.

My more adventurous straight friends ARE more in touch with their sexuality and they enjoy better sex because of it.  :D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on July 24, 2006, 12:08:25 PM
Hey straight guys dont be fooled by BAY's "Im just telling you like it is" fake sincerity. He is totally getting off on shocking straight guys by posting naked pics of muscle men. I hate these type of gay men, they hurt the whole community. Its kinda of like the thrill a flasher gets when flashing someone. What is the point of showing these escorts dicks in a thread meant to discuss escorting in bodybuilding? The more he can shock you or suprise you by showing you a dong on a muscle "straight" guy doing gay for pay the more he is getting off. He is under the delusion that you guys will get turned on by it, and that for some strange reason satisfies him.

Actually I have seen many threads on GETBIG that a gay guy will start in effort to trick you guys into talking about guys posing trunks or ripped glutes. Dont be fooled by these threads. Have them deleted.

How amusing.  With barely 25 posts under your belt, you think you have the authority to determine would should and should not be allowed on this board.  Thanks for your "informed" opinion, but I'll stick with Grant and Dina as moderators.  ::)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Victor VonDoom on July 27, 2006, 02:00:37 PM
Whatever happened to John Justice? Is he still humping around?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on July 31, 2006, 06:15:37 PM
Whatever happened to John Justice? Is he still humping around?

There's a name I haven't heard in 10 years ... anyhow, it's Jon Justice (note the spelling) and last I heard he "retired" from the profession long ago... then again, do they ever really retire?  ::)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 14, 2006, 05:36:13 AM
Scott Klein before the fall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeB9M0lXHuA


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: blondmusclhunk on August 16, 2006, 07:36:42 AM
There are a lot of guys that are supposedly gay for pay.  No days its more accepted I think than in the past. More straight guys are willing to use their body to make money.  But there are still a lot of closeted guys out there that say theyre straight when they are not.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: baracine on August 16, 2006, 07:56:52 AM
This is Charles "I loves me the cookie" Mario, a Brazilian NABBA contender:
(http://www.worldfitnessfederation.de/nabba/frame1/BILDER%20UNIVERSE%2004%20WEB/M4-1.jpg)

(See: http://www.worldfitnessfederation.de/nabba/frame1/p7_uni04.html (http://www.worldfitnessfederation.de/nabba/frame1/p7_uni04.html) )

... who also does muscle worship videos. Six free samples here: http://www.muscle-worship.com/gay-muscle/galleries/movies/charles-mario/gay60.html (http://www.muscle-worship.com/gay-muscle/galleries/movies/charles-mario/gay60.html)

Slideshow: http://gallery.musclestats.com/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=10654&pos=0 (http://gallery.musclestats.com/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=10654&pos=0)

Sample: (http://gallery.musclestats.com/albums/userpics/10654/charles_mario_07.jpg)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 16, 2006, 08:26:16 AM
Muscle men exposing themselves for groping and ogling by other men?  I’m shocked! Shocked!  :o

Seriously, the only thing shocking here is the naiveté of some body building fans who act surprised when they learn how much of this goes on; and most don't realize how much of this goes on in one form or another.  If a bodybuilder is willing to pose for free (or less than free; most competitors pay fees to enter contests and win nothing for their trouble) it should not be at all surprising that he would be willing to pose or be felt up for money.

Speaking of being felt up . . . 


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: baracine on August 17, 2006, 04:21:11 PM
Charles Mario. a.k.a. Alejandro Vega has made several short films for the DVD format and for internet pay-per-view broadcast. This shows a typical body worship session from the point of view of the worshipper. It's softcore from Muscle Worship:

http://rapidshare.de/files/23648861/charles_mario_videos.zip.001 100.00 MB
http://rapidshare.de/files/23649265/charles_mario_videos.zip.002 42.34 MB

This 27-minute excerpt is from the Dynamite Studios/MuscleHunks.com 90-minute DVD "Built for Action"  featuring a hardcore solo session. This shows the juiciest parts:

http://rapidshare.de/files/20759416/MuscleHunks_-_Alejandro_Vega.wmv.001 100.00 MB
http://rapidshare.de/files/20762967/MuscleHunks_-_Alejandro_Vega.wmv.002 100.00 MB
http://rapidshare.de/files/20763154/MuscleHunks_-_Alejandro_Vega.wmv.003 5.29 MB

The sections of both films are combined with the HJsplit applet.

Yowwza!

(http://www.musclehunks.com/alejandro/p4.jpg)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 18, 2006, 04:20:54 AM
LOL Aren't you breaking some rule by posting those clips here?  I wish we could monitor how many people from getbig download those videos.. I bet it would be huge. ha ha ha  :D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: baracine on August 18, 2006, 05:02:34 AM
Be that as it may, a short clip of Charles Mario in a towel that was posted on youtube.com got yanked off pretty fast, probably by MuscleWorship.com for copyright infringement. So if anybody wants to download those rapidshare files, you better do it pronto!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 18, 2006, 05:13:05 AM
What’s more likely is that someone flaged the clip on youtube as in appropriate.  When that happens the video is reviewed and removed almost immediately.  I bet if that video had been posted on xtube.com it would still be there.

Video copyright holders are basically screwed at this point in history.  We are now living in a time when literally anyone with a computer can rip a copyrighted video clip and instantly share it with millions of people either directly or via a service like youtube or xtube.  I freely admit I do this quite often and have no qualms about it.

No matter how hard they try, short of shutting down the internet they will never be able to stop this.  It's like a posted speed limit sign.  There isn't a day in my life I don't drive over the posted speed limit.  I'm sure this is true for everyone reading this as well.  Do you feel guilty about it?

Based on what I’ve seen, I would say that easily half the clips on youtube are copyrighted material.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: baracine on August 18, 2006, 05:17:32 AM
Nope, it was copyright infringement. The guy was in a towel. See my link to six free clips earlier.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on August 18, 2006, 05:36:32 AM
Hmm, fair enough... though I have seen erotically charged videos (with two men) removed from you tube and there was no nudity; they were shot from the waist up and there wasn’t even any kissing.  Still it was VERY suggestive... if you know what I mean.  :D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Dorian 01 on September 02, 2006, 02:31:37 AM
If all "straight" men are partly "gay" then you admit all "gay" men are partly "straight"? Or are gay people superior beings? How do you relieve your straightness, bay?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 02, 2006, 05:13:05 AM
If all "straight" men are partly "gay" then you admit all "gay" men are partly "straight"? Or are gay people superior beings? How do you relieve your straightness, bay?

I have never said all straight men are partly gay, so your conclusion that all gay men are partly straight does not logically follow.  I have, though, talked about the continuum of sexuality . . .  We (me, timfogarty, manfromyard, and others.) had several posts about the sexuality continuum and other similar Q&A in this thread. 

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=20939.0

I made one such post at the bottom of that page.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Vet on September 02, 2006, 07:03:26 AM
I have never said all straight men are partly gay, so you conclusion that all gay men are partly straight does not logically follow.  I have, though, talked about the continuum of sexuality . . .  We (me, timfogarty, manfromyard, and others.) had several posts about the sexuality continuum and other similar Q&A in this thread. 

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=20939.0

I made one such post at the bottom of that page.


I have to agree with you on the thought of a continuum..... I'm willing to bet we all know a gay male or female who we "think" is homosexual, but they haven't confirmed it.  We also all know someone who we'd swear is "gay" but is in a heterosexual relationship.   The question is are they socially suppressed or do they fit in the middle?  I was once described by one of my students---who was a homosexual male--as being "the most heterosexual male he'd ever encountered".   From a 26 year old, pseudo flaming male, I took that statement as a compliment.  I was also recently described by a co-worker, who is a gay male, as being "painfully heterosexual".  Whatever that means.  I honestly get a bit ill thinking of looking at another man in a sexual manner (I think I threw up a little bit in my mouth at the pictures on this page and I hontestly regret clicking the link--at least the discussion is decent), but I can look at women all day long. 


I also know of one woman who I can best describe as purely bisexual---or better yet, purely sexual.   She has had boyfriends and girlfriends.  Currently she is in this bizarre relationship where she lives with her girlfriend and boyfriend at the same time and has sex with both of them, but the boyfriend and girlfriend do not have sex with each other.  To me the entire thing borders on bizarre, but its their life.


JK


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: baracine on September 02, 2006, 07:37:05 AM
If all "straight" men are partly "gay" then you admit all "gay" men are partly "straight"? Or are gay people superior beings? How do you relieve your straightness, bay?

Personally, although I am gay, I connect with my inner straight man every time I roll my eyes at the transparent antics and seduction games of women - or effeminate males.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 08, 2006, 09:23:33 PM
Scott Klein: before the fall II

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DYgbrHUTEs


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 09, 2006, 10:15:35 PM
curiouser and curiouser  :-\

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X3Z5Pka_KE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ALBdc38KJg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9hBT2atVrs


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 10, 2006, 06:21:52 PM
“I’m a whore who advertises on the internet, but I don’t want anyone to know I’m a whore, so I hide my face."

Huh?  These guys kill me.  Here’s a tip: if you don’t want anyone to know you’re a whore . . . stop being a whore. This is not rocket science.  ::)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: DekeP on September 12, 2006, 08:07:36 AM
Why would a muscle guy--gay or straight--advertise himself as a whore and coyly not show his face or dick?  Odd.  But then I guess there's no such thing as truth in advertising when a whore is peddling himself for sex.   


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Patricku9 on September 12, 2006, 08:09:36 AM
I can think of 2 reasons,day job,and police.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 12, 2006, 10:54:14 AM
Shame?

1.a. A painful emotion caused by a strong sense of guilt, embarrassment, unworthiness, or disgrace. b. Capacity for such a feeling.
2. One that brings dishonor, disgrace, or condemnation.
3. A condition of disgrace or dishonor; ignominy.
4. A great disappointment.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 16, 2006, 07:15:54 AM
Mike before the fall...


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 16, 2006, 07:16:32 AM
Mike during the fall...  :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on September 16, 2006, 07:18:02 AM
Mike after the fall...  :'(

on second thought... it's not a pretty picture.  You wouldn't want to see it. :-[


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Victor VonDoom on September 20, 2006, 06:50:55 AM
Mike after the fall...  :'(

on second thought... it's not a pretty picture.  You wouldn't want to see it. :-[

I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say, "yes, we do!"


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on October 12, 2006, 05:56:44 PM
I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say, "yes, we do!"

Shame on you!  :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on November 04, 2006, 06:53:21 AM
As some of you may have seen from his TV interviews, Mike Jones, the escort that outed reverand Ted Haggard was a gymrat.  He’s in decent shape for 49.  He has said he is out of the escort business but his website is still up.  :-\

http://hometown.aol.com/mfjmfjmfj/Feelssogood.html


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on November 05, 2006, 06:54:41 PM
An amusing epilogue to the Ted Haggard affair.

On the muscle escort board they are debating the propriety of Mike Jones exposing Reverend Haggard.  Apparently, some people feel that the escort broke some “escort code of ethics” by outing his “client.”  Some believe the relationship between escort and john should be inviolable and under no circumstance--even public political hypocrisy by the John--should the "client's" identity ever be revealed.

Um, not!  My hats off to Mike Jones for outing that hypocrite!

I gotta start reading that board again.  It is so funny.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on December 11, 2006, 06:58:24 PM
   New Post  Re: The Preacher and the escort  What would you do if you were Mrs. Haggard in this situation?

Let's see... first my husband flatly denies it. Then he admits that "some" of the allegations were true. But the other guy is claiming it went on monthly for the last three years.

Crystal meth? Poppers? "Massages?" A gay escort? "I never had sex with that man" and then my husband later admits that "some" of it is true? He bought it but didn't use it? Riiiiiiight. We've heard that before.

Regardless of the media hype, if I were Mrs. Haggard, I'd be down at the clinic getting a blood test... and pronto. As the saying goes, Trust but Verify.


ha ha ha ha ha ha


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: pubix on December 19, 2006, 09:31:46 PM
   New Post  Re: The Preacher and the escort  What would you do if you were Mrs. Haggard in this situation?

Let's see... first my husband flatly denies it. Then he admits that "some" of the allegations were true. But the other guy is claiming it went on monthly for the last three years.

Crystal meth? Poppers? "Massages?" A gay escort? "I never had sex with that man" and then my husband later admits that "some" of it is true? He bought it but didn't use it? Riiiiiiight. We've heard that before.

Regardless of the media hype, if I were Mrs. Haggard, I'd be down at the clinic getting a blood test... and pronto. As the saying goes, Trust but Verify.


ha ha ha ha ha ha

That poor lady.  His allimony will pay her therapy.  She must be embarrassed and humiliated.  Not good Bay!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on December 20, 2006, 04:31:08 AM
That poor lady.  His allimony will pay her therapy.  She must be embarrassed and humiliated.  Not good Bay!

To be humiliated she would have to accept the reality of what has happened.  Has she?  Has he?  She has said that she will stand by her man.  He still insists he is not gay.  Some members of his congregation have said that this episode does not reflect any shortcoming on his part, instead they say that he was tempted by Satan.

I think these people are so deep in denial they don't have the wherewithal to be humiliated, and that's not only bad--it's sad. :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: suckmymuscle on December 21, 2006, 08:40:51 PM
  Bay, let me ask you a question: Why are gay men so rejecting of femmes, considering that most gay men are effeminate ???

SUCKMYMUSCLE


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on December 22, 2006, 07:55:58 AM
  Bay, let me ask you a question: Why are gay men so rejecting of femmes, considering that most gay men are effeminate ???

SUCKMYMUSCLE

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=20939.msg1651266#msg1651266


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on January 01, 2007, 08:25:52 AM
Ted Haggard just couldn't resist.  ::)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on January 10, 2007, 08:24:55 PM
Rodney Stcloud,man whore

Aren’t all of his parties and performances for women?  I'm not sure he qualifies for this thread... being a gogo dancer for women doens't make him a (gay muscle) escort. 


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: pubix on January 12, 2007, 01:48:21 PM
Aren’t all of his parties and performances for women?  I'm not sure he qualifies for this thread... being a gogo dancer for women doens't make him a (gay muscle) escort. 

Bay
When did you become the Simon Cowell of "muscle escorting" expert?  Maybe, Rodney moonlights as an escort.  Escorting to male customers is big bucks!!  Why would a stripper stop at gogo dancing?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on January 12, 2007, 02:18:54 PM
Bay
When did you become the Simon Cowell of "muscle escorting" expert?  Maybe, Rodney moonlights as an escort.  Escorting to male customers is big bucks!!  Why would a stripper stop at gogo dancing?

Well, for one, I started this thread.  Two, I've been on this board for a long time. Three, I'm one of the recognized experts here on all things gay.

If you have specific information about him escorting (such as a website) by all means post it.  Otherwise nude photos  of RSC don't belong in this thread. It's not up to me (or you) to decide why he would stop at gogo dancing.  You might as well ask why a bodybuilder would stop at competition or public posing when there is lots of private posing going on.  These are decisions for the individual to make--not for people in the peanut gallery.

If you have no specific info on RSC escorting, I'll ask the mods to remove that posting.  If you are looking for an excuse to post nude pix of RSC start another thread because they do not belong here. >:(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: pornstaro on February 23, 2007, 08:42:04 AM
Damn, and I thought this thread was going to be about Female Body Builders / Fitness models escorting!  My bad!

On this thread's subject, a good friend of mine is gay and he told me that some gay and transexual escorts he knew had serious complication from mixing Viagra with something called "poppers."  I don't know what happens physiologically, but he said that a couple of them died and others went to a hospital.

Has anyone else heard about this?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on February 23, 2007, 10:12:47 AM
Damn, and I thought this thread was going to be about Female Body Builders / Fitness models escorting!  My bad!

On this thread's subject, a good friend of mine is gay and he told me that some gay and transexual escorts he knew had serious complication from mixing Viagra with something called "poppers."  I don't know what happens physiologically, but he said that a couple of them died and others went to a hospital.

Has anyone else heard about this?

Like male body builders, some female body builders do engage in private posing, muscle sessions, wrestling, and other forms of escorting.  I know a guy into female bb that hires them.  Renee Tony is seen here wrestling some schmoes…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjSkCnKOqoY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thlek-ayu60

Would you go a few rounds with her?

And here is Lora putting the moves on her helpless victim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axzQWgz434A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvAwdXs0jjo

There's a market out there for this... and so many other things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTbRxBeqfnQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiuhZ5m0RYQ


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: pornstaro on February 23, 2007, 01:04:54 PM
Yea, I know all about the FBB that wrestle, pose, do muscle worship sessions but I'm more interested in the "full service" bodybuilder escorts.  I think they are phenomenal and allow regular folk a taste of what it would be like with such an extraordinary woman!

Any guy can hook up with a regular girl, escort or not.  Not all guys can hook up with a powerful female body builder!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on February 27, 2007, 06:19:32 PM
Muscle escort, model, and adult film actor, Tom Howard, passed away this morning.  :(

His online tribute page... http://www.tomhowardcentral.com/


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on April 14, 2007, 09:45:27 PM
I'm way out of the loop so I'm late in finding out but sources say adult film actor and male escort, Cody Fisher, croaked a couple months ago...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cody_Foster


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on April 15, 2007, 10:17:51 AM
In another thread someone expressed shock when he learned that his roommate's ex had previously acted in porn.  I yawned.  If you live in a major city, you pass by or interact with porn stars and escorts every day.  You just don't realize it.

Do you recognize any of the muscles on rentboy or men4rent?  You may be surprised to know who at your local gym is escorting on the side.

step 1: click on the map to view active cities within the region
step 2: click on escorts, bodyworkers, or sugardaddies.

http://www.rentboy.com/searchform.asp
http://www.men4rentnow.com/

I see porn stars and escorts at my gym every single day.  :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: petesake on April 15, 2007, 11:52:32 AM
Ya mean guys like jackdmuscle in Fort Lauderdale, Florida?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on April 16, 2007, 06:22:36 AM
Ya mean guys like jackdmuscle in Fort Lauderdale, Florida?

And so many more. :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on April 16, 2007, 08:20:18 AM
available 4 rent...


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on May 14, 2007, 07:12:34 AM
reliable sources say Rock Bruno has retired from bodybuilding/escorting.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: petesake on June 09, 2007, 03:49:45 PM
Here's a review for jackdmuscle......

I just saw Mike in Miami. He looked fantastic, huge, ripped to shreds. He actually looked like Paco Batista - his qauds are insane, massive hanging hamstrings, diamond calves. Upper body was fantastic, ripped abs, serratus, etc. He made me kneel worship and serve him. We both had a great time. I was in musclpig heaven again. Don't miss him - ! those legs and massive glutes, each glute was bigger than my head and I have a big head -servicing that muscle ass was unbelievable.




Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on June 09, 2007, 09:27:34 PM
Here's a review for jackdmuscle......

I just saw Mike in Miami. He looked fantastic, huge, ripped to shreds. He actually looked like Paco Batista - his qauds are insane, massive hanging hamstrings, diamond calves. Upper body was fantastic, ripped abs, serratus, etc. He made me kneel worship and serve him. We both had a great time. I was in musclpig heaven again. Don't miss him - ! those legs and massive glutes, each glute was bigger than my head and I have a big head -servicing that muscle ass was unbelievable.

 ;D :-[ :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on October 14, 2007, 12:25:24 PM
Muscles...for rent . . .

btw, how would he have fared in the mr.getbig contest?  ???


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on November 22, 2007, 10:29:00 AM
I’m out of the loop so I just got the news today, but muscle escort Haus Weston croaked earlier this month.  11/6.  Once again the Johns are lamenting his loss and bestowing condolences on his family--but that won’t stop them from moving on to next muscle whore.  Sigh.  The more things change, the more they stay the same.  :'(

He was only 29.  Once again the cause of death was not disclosed and the Johns are forbidden from talking about it.  :-X


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on November 23, 2007, 09:20:13 AM
When he was "working" he was 6'1", 250 lbs.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on March 28, 2008, 04:39:24 PM
I know, like me, some of you were surprised at the price tag attached to Elliot Spitzer’s prostitute escort.  I never knew anyone who spent that kind of money on a trick.  Are there any male escorts that charge as much as $4000-$5000 per session?  The most I have heard of was $2000 for an overnight. 

What is the most expensive muscle escort you have heard of (rumor, gossip, experienced)?  Feel free to send me a PM if you don’t want to post publicly.  :D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: calsf on April 25, 2008, 07:44:20 AM
I just join GetBig, and I came across this thread. I have hired muscle escorts a few times , and yes I enjoyed it. In fact two of the deceased escorts mentioned I have hired. One became a friend ( not close but a friend) and the other was a great person but vanished from site a few years ago. As a 'john" I realize I really have nothing to with a man's decision to escort or not escort, but I have become a part of the "hustle" ( I pay you- you give me sex) equation.

In my dealing with escorts some are wonderful ( at least with me) and some are just in it for the money. But for those I have gotten to know ( as much as they will let me know them) ALL have major emotional issues. All have some history of family, parental, substance, sexual. physical, mental, and/or emotional abuse. Let's be honest, nothing puts the fun in dysfunctional like family issues, and the VAST majority of us have some family issue we deal with on a daily basis.

The escorts that have 'boyfriends" never have them for long. Many have no idea how to relate to a person with true intimacy ( that's on ALL levels, either as a lover or just a friend). I know of one escort whose boyfriend pumped him full of steroids, HGH, and God only knows what else, the escort got sick nearly died, but the "boyfriend" dumped him for another younger escort, and the cycle is starting all over again. Another ( so called Gay4Pay) has girlfriends on both coasts and johns that pay for the girlfriends. This guy ( once popular with the johns) ain't as young as he once was- and now his prices are dropping and his girlfriends are leaving.

I stopped hiring escorts a few years ago, I wanted more than a blow job and "you're money is on the table" life. I haven't gotten it but it will come. I guess I wrote this to get it off of my chest, and I hope all the johns out there take a good look at their lives,  however lonely you are, nothing compares to the loneliness of the escort. We do not have to explain ourselves to anyone, but every escort has to lie to his family, lie to friends, and lie to himself. And there has to come a day when every escort looks in the mirror and realizes he can't do it anymore..now what?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on April 25, 2008, 06:43:52 PM
Ouch!

Thanks for your sober and honest reflections.  You offer a lot of fodder for discussion but what jumps out at me the most is your comment that “every escort has to lie to his family, lie to friends, and lie to himself.”  This dynamic of lying to yourself seems to me the most destructive and it is something we can all identify with on some level.

I wonder, aside from your relationships with escorts did you become friends with any other johns?  Do johns only communicate virtually or is there a live community?

Men are notorious for separating sex from intimacy.  I can see the need/benefit of an escorting doing this, but do you think your own future prospects have been in any way compromised from this history of separating sex from intimacy?

Do you know of escorts whom have left the business and moved on to good fortune?

Thanks again for sharing your story.



Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: calsf on April 26, 2008, 06:46:18 AM
I don't think johns even know each other, but I've seen "boyfriends" of escorts who in reality are nothing but johns for an extended period of time.  I have to say my experience with escorts may have made me more accepting of MY gay sexuality. But when I stopped seeing escorts I realized I would rather be a gay man alone than a lonely gay man..and that's what MANY escorts and johns are, lonely gay men.

Once I had a series of encounters with a HOT escort, every time he left I felt a sense of relief and a said to myself "Thank God, he's gone!" Then within a few days I'd call him back for another round ( I believe that is the definition of insanity)..Thank God he was in town for only a brief time. Despite his good looks and muscled torso he was one fucked upped dude...he's still around trying to make it as an actor in LA   ( on his looks alone, not on talent or training) but escorts on the side to "make ends meet"...PLEEZE!!

Lonely people (especially johns) do their best to separate sex and intimacy. Loneliness is like a cancer, it feeds on all the healthy parts of your soul, until only loneliness remains. People with healthy self esteem can't separate sex and intimacy, healthy people can't separate loving people ( in all of loves forms) from their lives.

I had a series of deaths a few years ago of family and friends, and as trite as it may sound I learned a great lesson, these people are gone but I STILL love them. Johns and escorts go from one person to next..it's a cash deal and relationships aren't made of money. Those family and friends of mine who are gone are far more precious to me than any muscle escort's biceps, pecs, or big dick!

I know of ONE escort ( who is still trying to leave the biz) who is making a fair amount of money, but his business is tied to the economy, with this downturn life is getting a bit dicey. I've seen escorts attempt to work in the corporate world, non I know have made it. Imagine trying to get a job with a resume with gaps of years as an escort ( Mr. Smith, what did you do between 1995-2005..your resume is a bit incomplete..?),,as I have stated johns don't have that issue, escorts do!



Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: calsf on April 26, 2008, 04:22:50 PM
Sorry but I'm REALLY thinking about this subject-

I revisited the movie "The Fluffer" today. It was one of those movies that changed my attitude about escorts. pornstars, johns etc...The Fluffer is not a great movie but it is disturbing movie to watch. Briefly it is about a Gay4Pay porn actor (Johnny Rebel) a young gay naive film student (Sean) and the tragic relationship between the two. Johnny Rebel is a total narcissist, he lives for adulation, total egoist, unable to see the destruction he causes to himself and others.Sean is Johnny's fluffer. He wants Johnny to be a part of his life in the most desperate of ways. It's a downer of an ending ..be warned.

So many escorts believe their own press ( hottest man in town,  10X7, and the best you'll ever have etc...) and johns WANT to believe they had hottest, biggest, and best, it's a recipe made for any psychologist to analyze. I'm NOT a psychologist but friends of mine who are say narcisisism (escorts)is almost impossible to cure and low self esteem (johns) is a constant struggle.

ESCORTS- I'm your "perfect" man- my clients "adore me"- I'm the "best thing" in their lives...
JOHNS- It's the "only" way for me to feel whole- he so "good" to me- he's my "friend"........

So as I add to this thread I just want to say to potential escorts and johns, Please think before you act on ANY impulse. Just because it feels good now, doesn't mean it's good for you later.











Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on May 14, 2008, 07:01:58 AM
calsf:

As a John how did you break away from escorting?  I imagine it is like other addictions people struggle with: smoking, drinking, sex, gambling.  If you have an affinity for romping with buff young men (and you can afford it) how do you finally give it up?  Was there a catalyst that made you walk away?



Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: calsf on May 14, 2008, 08:36:42 PM
I guess by seeing the "ridiculousness" of the whole scene. I sound like Dr. Phil but it just didn't work any more. One of my escorts ( who I now consider a friend) is a Daddy Muscle Bear type. I'll never forget how these pitiful gay men hung on his every word and action. One went so far as the "match: him movement for movement, word for word, like a small child imitating an adult. It would be funny if it weren't so tragic. Now my friend the escort ( he's still escorting, but he way too fuckin' old) battles illness, no family ( his family gave up on him) no friends ( they've gone on with their lives) and nothing to look forward to in life. It has all the makings of a Greek drama, escorting leads to a miserable life, thus spake the gods!

 How did I give this up, seeing his life unfold it wasn't difficult, escorts and johns are basically the same people, just different sides of the equation. I guess I realized I would rather jerk off and then have a great conversation with a friend, or spend the holidays with my family, or just live day to day, or go to a play or concert alone than live some lie about my great sex life. Loving people, living life ( no matter how boring) reading a book, letting your mind go crazy on the internet is so exciting now..Today I had a accidental encounter with a friend, we talked, we hugged, we laughed, make a date for drinks..a typical conversation with an escort is "How much?..Do you do in calls or out calls?.... How much will that be?...Which hotel?...I can't do it at that time..would tomorrow be better?....great conversation topics!

As for my friend the escort, he is so lonely. I was once that lonely, having ready made friends ( for the money) didn't cure my loneliness, it just dulled the pain for a bit! I'm having him over for dinner, no strings, I'm not going to gush over his body, just food, some iced tea, some laughs..but escorts don't laugh very much, they're caught up in themselves and don't have a clue how to live life.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on May 14, 2008, 09:52:39 PM
I guess by seeing the "ridiculousness" of the whole scene. I sound like Dr. Phil but it just didn't work any more. One of my escorts ( who I now consider a friend) is a Daddy Muscle Bear type. I'll never forget how these pitiful gay men hung on his every word and action. One went so far as the "match: him movement for movement, word for word, like a small child imitating an adult. It would be funny if it weren't so tragic. Now my friend the escort ( he's still escorting, but he way too fuckin' old) battles illness, no family ( his family gave up on him) no friends ( they've gone on with their lives) and nothing to look forward to in life. It has all the makings of a Greek drama, escorting leads to a miserable life, thus spake the gods!

 How did I give this up, seeing his life unfold it wasn't difficult, escorts and johns are basically the same people, just different sides of the equation. I guess I realized I would rather jerk off and then have a great conversation with a friend, or spend the holidays with my family, or just live day to day, or go to a play or concert alone than live some lie about my great sex life. Loving people, living life ( no matter how boring) reading a book, letting your mind go crazy on the internet is so exciting now..Today I had a accidental encounter with a friend, we talked, we hugged, we laughed, make a date for drinks..a typical conversation with an escort is "How much?..Do you do in calls or out calls?.... How much will that be?...Which hotel?...I can't do it at that time..would tomorrow be better?....great conversation topics!

As for my friend the escort, he is so lonely. I was once that lonely, having ready made friends ( for the money) didn't cure my loneliness, it just dulled the pain for a bit! I'm having him over for dinner, no strings, I'm not going to gush over his body, just food, some iced tea, some laughs..but escorts don't laugh very much, they're caught up in themselves and don't have a clue how to live life.

That is a very provocative observation and I dare say a true one.  It is also one most Johns would aggressively disagree with.  As I recall from the tenor of that escort board a great many johns look down on escorts even as they hire them again and again.  There is a clear indication in their dialogue that they think they are (morally) better than the men they are hiring, but I think you are exactly right: escorts and jons are essentially the same people.  Certainly, they are equally lonely.

I salute you for having the courage to take a hard look at yourself,  recognize the dead end escorting represents, and choosing another kind of life for yourself.   :)



Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: calsf on May 15, 2008, 03:40:03 AM
Please, I don't want to come across as some holy than thou, recovered from all his addictions person. I have a LOT of work to do. Johns "really" don't believe they are "better" than escorts, in fact some are just down right jealous of them. They want to be like escorts ( hell, what man wouldn't want to be paid for having sex!).

I think GayGBM that your reaction to the way johns treated the deaths of bodybuilder/escorts was one of shock and dismay. That these johns would go "mourn" the death of one escort, then call another that very night seemed cold and heartless. Yet these same johns wanted to send flowers to the escort's family..was that cruel?...was that heartless?..The john/escort cycle is so imbued with pain that NOBODY can make a wise choice, a good decision, or healthy change.

One of the dead escorts on the post, had been sick for months before his death. I called him just to see how he was, he was shocked that I cared. He said "Well I'm getting back some of my size and hope to be back soon!" What!!!! He thought I wanted to hire he again...WTF!!! He nearly died, I was trying to be a good person..I said " Just get well, you deserve to be well." Then I realized he only thought of me in one way..a client with money, therapy made me see that he was a person, beacause I finally believed I was a person. Then I said " I just want to see you happy and healthy." the silence on the other end was telling, suddenly I made him a person, he had to make me a person, it was too real, and too close- it was normal! He died a few months later. There was a memorial service, I didn't go. A mutual friend said it was a bizarre mix of clients, other escorts, gym friends, and former "boyfriends". No family, no life long friends, just a weird mix of people.

I don't mean to take up some much of the thread, but I hope if there is one bodybuilder out there thinking about escort work, please I beg you don't do it! So what if you have to settle for 18 inch arms, the price of huge guns, killer quads ain't worth it. Get a job, have a life, bodybuilding of a sport, but escorting is a way of life, you cannot use your life to support a dream, it has to be the other way around. 


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on May 15, 2008, 06:18:56 AM
Please, I don't want to come across as some holy than thou, recovered from all his addictions person. I have a LOT of work to do. Johns "really" don't believe they are "better" than escorts, in fact some are just down right jealous of them. They want to be like escorts ( hell, what man wouldn't want to be paid for having sex!).

I think GayGBM that your reaction to the way johns treated the deaths of bodybuilder/escorts was one of shock and dismay. That these johns would go "mourn" the death of one escort, then call another that very night seemed cold and heartless. Yet these same johns wanted to send flowers to the escort's family..was that cruel?...was that heartless?..The john/escort cycle is so imbued with pain that NOBODY can make a wise choice, a good decision, or healthy change.

One of the dead escorts on the post, had been sick for months before his death. I called him just to see how he was, he was shocked that I cared. He said "Well I'm getting back some of my size and hope to be back soon!" What!!!! He thought I wanted to hire he again...WTF!!! He nearly died, I was trying to be a good person..I said " Just get well, you deserve to be well." Then I realized he only thought of me in one way..a client with money, therapy made me see that he was a person, beacause I finally believed I was a person. Then I said " I just want to see you happy and healthy." the silence on the other end was telling, suddenly I made him a person, he had to make me a person, it was too real, and too close- it was normal! He died a few months later. There was a memorial service, I didn't go. A mutual friend said it was a bizarre mix of clients, other escorts, gym friends, and former "boyfriends". No family, no life long friends, just a weird mix of people.

I don't mean to take up some much of the thread, but I hope if there is one bodybuilder out there thinking about escort work, please I beg you don't do it! So what if you have to settle for 18 inch arms, the price of huge guns, killer quads ain't worth it. Get a job, have a life, bodybuilding of a sport, but escorting is a way of life, you cannot use your life to support a dream, it has to be the other way around. 

Wow!  That sounds like fodder for a made for TV movie on the Logo network.

No need to apologize for taking up so much of the thread.  This IS a thread on muscle escorting and given your insights and experiences you are more qualified to post here than I am.  I welcome your perspective and hope others gain something from it.

May I ask how old you are?  I admit I have often wondered about the typical age of johns (or if there is one).  Given the amount of disposable income involved one is inclined to think johns are 40s and 50s (like Ted Haggard) but young people can have muscle appetites and disposable income too.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: calsf on May 15, 2008, 03:08:51 PM
I'm definitely in the middle age category ( enough said). Is there anyone out there who is an escort with a different point of view? I don't have all the answers, in fact I have questions for escorts, especially if you're no longer escorting, they are;

1) Why did you really begin escorting?
2) Did your family know?
3) Did you have any significant relationships while escorting?
4) Where would you draw the line-or- things you just wouldn't do?
5) What was your oddest client or oddest group of clients?
6) Do you miss it? or Why do you still do it?
7) How did escorting change your view of the world, life, people, etc..?

Thanks


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on May 26, 2008, 11:26:48 AM
also i've always wondered if carl/rusty would do alot of things for money if not some rich gay man had ever offered him money for a 1-night stand where carl/rusty didn't have to reciprocate but did have to let this said man do anything to carl/rusty? i wonder if carl/rusty was ever approached this way and i guess if so he turned them down? surely carl/rusty is an gay international icon and surely there are gay millionaires around the world who at least thought of wanting carl/rusty for 1 night?!

what if a millionaire offered him a million dollars for one night? would carl/rusty have/would give in? does everyone have a price even carl/rusty? your thoughts on this baygbm and carl photos would/will be greatly appreciated!

That’s a lot of wondering.   :)

We’ve talked about this previously in other threads...  Imagine yourself as the “rich gay man.”  Are you going to spend your time and money chasing after some fantasy that is not available or have your way with the many muscle whores who are available?

Similarly, not everyone is interested in hiring (muscle) whores.  As calsf pointed out, hiring escorts is really something only lonely people do.  Johns and escorts are two sides of the same coin and not everyone wants to trade in that kind of currency. Some would say that we all have our price; others argue that not everything is for sale.

In any event, you would not be a very (financially) smart millionaire if you were willing to overpay for a fantasy piece of ass when you could have ass that is just as good many many times for a whole lot less.  :-\



Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: YellaDawg on June 14, 2008, 08:31:47 AM
That Muscle Logbook forum is a real trip. Like you BayBGM, I used to visit there, but there were so many parasitic, vulturistic types there, who really have this strange love-hate relationship with bodybuilding: they want to admire and sexually devour the athletes, but they envy them for their looks or despise them if they cannot have their way with them (or strangely enough, despise them once they have been exposed to them for too long). It's like sexual vampire-dom over there. And most of these guys haven't seen the inside of a gym since 6th grade PE class!

Don't we refer to these kinds of voyeuristic, hangers-on guys in the bodybuilding world as "schmoes"?

There's this one guy -- a retired senior citizen -- who has gushingly admitted to hiring one muscle escort (Zeb Atlas) for 35 overnight sessions. The guy charges $500 an hour and over $2000 a night. So one poster concluded that this John has paid about $70,000 to this one guy. I simply do not see how this kind of behavior is to be applauded. But over at that board, this guy is the king of the hill. 

As they say, "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on June 14, 2008, 04:15:40 PM
35 overnight sessions?  At $2000 a pop?  Sigh.  Where do I begin…? ??? 

I suppose if one has money to burn, the cost is immaterial, but how sad it is to think that buying company is the most gratifying way for one to find sexual fulfillment.  As a one shot deal I could almost understand it; everyone has a fantasy they would like to realize.  But I find it hard to believe that someone who hires escorts over and over and over is emotionally grounded enough to have and maintain a healthy relationship with another person.  From where I'm sitting it seems like a terribly lonely life.  That kind of lifestyle is so far removed from my own values it’s hard for me to truly “get it” but who am I to judge?  It’s his life… I wish the John well and hope he is happy.  Still, one can't help but wonder if this is what he imagined for himself ten or twenty years ago.  On the other hand, if I were old, rich, and obsessed with a muscleboi I might be doing the same thing.  :-\

And Zeb!  What’s going on in his (or any escort’s) mind during these sessions?  How can he climb into bed with a 60+ year old stranger and even pretend to want to be there?  I’d be recoiling in horror.

I hope he is saving his pennies.



Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: YellaDawg on June 14, 2008, 06:32:27 PM
35 overnight sessions?  At $2000 a pop?  Sigh.  Where do I begin…? ??? 

I suppose if one has money to burn, the cost is immaterial, but how sad it is to think that buying company is the most gratifying way for one to find sexual fulfillment.  As a one shot deal I could almost understand it; everyone has a fantasy they would like to realize.  But I find it hard to believe that someone who hires escorts over and over and over is emotionally grounded enough to have and maintain a healthy relationship with another person.  From where I'm sitting it seems like a terribly lonely life.  That kind of lifestyle is so far removed from my own values it’s hard for me to truly “get it” but who am I to judge?  It’s his life… I wish the John well and hope he is happy.  Still, one can't help but wonder if this is what he imagined for himself ten or twenty years ago.  On the other hand, if I were old, rich, and obsessed with a muscleboi I might be doing the same thing.  :-\

And Zeb!  What’s going on in his (or any escort’s) mind during these sessions?  How can he climb into bed with a 60+ year old stranger and even pretend to want to be there?  I’d be recoiling in horror.

I hope he is saving his pennies.



Yeah, I think the same thing as you. This Zeb Atlas is probably thinking, "Easy money, like taking candy from a baby", when you're sleeping with some 77 year old schlub. But time and time again, these escorts end up having a problem with recreational drug use. What's tragically funny and sad is that the Johns at that board always use that as some kind of insult against the escorts without looking at the obvious reason behind it: they would have to use mind-altering substances in order to have sex with people they are probably physically repulsed by every day.

Interesting you posted a photo of Zeb Atlas with Jake Cruise. There is a huge conversation going on at the MSS right now about how shocking it is that Zeb chose to make his first gay sex scene on camera with someone like Jake (old, not in-shape, not too handsome) instead of a built, younger guy, and what this all will mean to the future of his porn career and escorting business. The majority of the posters were not happy that Zeb had sex on film with an "old troll", but a smaller minority defended it, saying it looks just like the kind of work he does in escorting. The response to that is that porn is supposed to be about fantasy, not reality, and that the image of Zeb getting sucked off (with no reciprocation) by an older, out-of-shape man who does not even remove his clothes during the entire process is just a little too close to home for most of those posters. Also, calling Jake "unattractive", "old" and a "troll" was very painful for many of the posters there, because frankly, he still probably looks a lot better than they do (as said upthread, most of those people have not seen the inside of a gym since the 6th grade). So, naturally, they got defensive.

Then, it was recently revealed that Zeb is doing a few scenes with gay porn star Matthew Rush, a biracial bodybuilder whose real name is Greg Grove, and there will be mutual oral, and Zeb fucking Matt. And still many posters were upset about THAT! Talk about vampirism. That board is ripe for a good case study in a Psych class.



Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Stark on June 16, 2008, 08:44:14 AM
Here's a review for jackdmuscle......

I just saw Mike in Miami. He looked fantastic, huge, ripped to shreds. He actually looked like Paco Batista - his qauds are insane, massive hanging hamstrings, diamond calves. Upper body was fantastic, ripped abs, serratus, etc. He made me kneel worship and serve him. We both had a great time. I was in musclpig heaven again. Don't miss him - ! those legs and massive glutes, each glute was bigger than my head and I have a big head -servicing that muscle ass was unbelievable.




hahah oh god


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on June 16, 2008, 09:19:57 AM
hahah oh god


ha ha ha ha

Remember, this forum is for sexual "discussion and information that may be more than one can handle."  It's not for the faint of heart.  ha ha ha ha  ;D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on June 16, 2008, 10:14:30 AM
Interesting you posted a photo of Zeb Atlas with Jake Cruise. There is a huge conversation going on at the MSS right now about how shocking it is that Zeb chose to make his first gay sex scene on camera with someone like Jake (old, not in-shape, not too handsome) instead of a built, younger guy, and what this all will mean to the future of his porn career and escorting business. The majority of the posters were not happy that Zeb had sex on film with an "old troll", but a smaller minority defended it, saying it looks just like the kind of work he does in escorting. The response to that is that porn is supposed to be about fantasy, not reality, and that the image of Zeb getting sucked off (with no reciprocation) by an older, out-of-shape man who does not even remove his clothes during the entire process is just a little too close to home for most of those posters. Also, calling Jake "unattractive", "old" and a "troll" was very painful for many of the posters there, because frankly, he still probably looks a lot better than they do (as said upthread, most of those people have not seen the inside of a gym since the 6th grade). So, naturally, they got defensive.

Ouch!  I can only imagine all the wounded egos this has generated. 

I bet some of those johns will never look at Jake the same way again.  ha ha ha ha


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: Victor VonDoom on June 17, 2008, 08:34:33 PM
Eddie is now available in NYC!  Bah!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: calsf on June 17, 2008, 09:01:08 PM
 my god this is pathetic!!

As an ex john I'm so glad I'm an ex john!!
What's up with Zeb Atlas is amazing, I aways thought he would NEVER do hard core porn..money can talk I guess. The sad thing is there are MANY middle aged gay couples fucking each others brains out and having great lives. This need for "youth" with some gay men ( and some straight men) is so sad, as I stated in previous posts..stay away from escorting, and hiring escorts..it's a recipe for loneliness.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on June 17, 2008, 09:55:05 PM
Let me play devil’s advocate for a moment.

You may want one, or I may want one, but not everyone wants to be in a relationship.  Not everyone has the temperament or skills to sustain one and some people recognize that about themselves.  Some people prefer to be alone.  But they may still have sexual appetites. 

Some people like to go to bars, sex clubs, etc. and meet guys for hook ups, but some guys are not into that.  If you are a guy in your 30s, 40s, 50s, or 60s, you have the money to burn, and have a muscle fetish why is it so wrong to hire a muscle escort once a week, once a month or once or twice a year?

Have you ever been to a party or social event where everyone was beautiful--except you?  Handsome faces, heavily muscled bodies, beautiful hair, teeth etc?  I have.  There is a lot of pressure in gay life to look good, but the truth is some people will never look good.  If you have a physical disability or some other problematic feature you can easily be shut out of the sexual marketplace.  What are these people supposed to do?  They do not want to date or have sex with each other.  They lust after beautiful people too… and if occasionally hiring an escort is their only outlet is that so wrong?

Those of us who have healthy social lives and alternatives to hiring escorts should be grateful for what we have and not judge our escort hiring friends too harshly… after all “there but for the grace of god go I.”  :-[


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on June 17, 2008, 09:56:58 PM
my god this is pathetic!!

As an ex john I'm so glad I'm an ex john!!
What's up with Zeb Atlas is amazing, I aways thought he would NEVER do hard core porn..money can talk I guess. The sad thing is there are MANY middle aged gay couples fucking each others brains out and having great lives. This need for "youth" with some gay men ( and some straight men) is so sad, as I stated in previous posts..stay away from escorting, and hiring escorts..it's a recipe for loneliness.

May I ask why you thought Zeb Atlas would never do hard core porn?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on June 18, 2008, 06:04:21 AM
Eddie is now available in NYC!  Bah!
 

Available for what exactly?  ::)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: YellaDawg on June 18, 2008, 06:44:17 AM
If you have a physical disability or some other problematic feature you can easily be shut out of the sexual marketplace.  What are these people supposed to do?  They do not want to date or have sex with each other.  They lust after beautiful people too… and if occasionally hiring an escort is their only outlet is that so wrong?

And why the hell can't they date each other? Fat people, old people, ugly people, disabled people -- straight AND gay -- marry and fuck each other every day in this world, and as often as the day is long. The idea that some dried-up old prune or some obese turd is only attracted to and can only fall in love with or get his rocks off by the sight of some young bodybuilder... well, there's some serious twisted psychological damage there. I can understand hiring someone for the occasional annual fantasy or bithday present -- but there's that twisted, sad 77 year old guy on that site who gushes about hiring one guy 35 times. And he is revered over there, like he is someone to be admired. There's also another regular poster there (with "rent" in his screen name) who brags about hiring almost every muscle escort publicly known to man, as if he owns some kind of collection of rare trading cards or something. True, money might not be an issue for those people, but what's the emotional trade-off?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on June 18, 2008, 08:02:33 AM
And why the hell can't they date each other? Fat people, old people, ugly people, disabled people -- straight AND gay -- marry and fuck each other every day in this world, and as often as the day is long. The idea that some dried-up old prune or some obese turd is only attracted to and can only fall in love with or get his rocks off by the sight of some young bodybuilder... well, there's some serious twisted psychological damage there. I can understand hiring someone for the occasional annual fantasy or bithday present -- but there's that twisted, sad 77 year old guy on that site who gushes about hiring one guy 35 times. And he is revered over there, like he is someone to be admired. There's also another regular poster there (with "rent" in his screen name) who brags about hiring almost every muscle escort publicly known to man, as if he owns some kind of collection of rare trading cards or something. True, money might not be an issue for those people, but what's the emotional trade-off?

Ew!  That's kind of gross!  Some of those bodybuilder/escorts do not look healthy.  :-X



Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: Victor VonDoom on June 18, 2008, 03:21:11 PM
 

Available for what exactly?  ::)

Available for rent! 

btw, he claims to be straight.  Bah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: calsf on June 18, 2008, 07:03:07 PM
I have to say Zeb 'appeared' to be more "together" than to get sucked into gay porn...I believe he did some solo videos but that was it! Also, I want to say anyone has the right to love the person of his/her choice. There are all kinds of reasons why people hook up...a beautiful bodybuilder can love an out of shape 60+ guy, maybe they're soulmates and age and looks have nothing to do with it.

At the gym today I saw a two friends of mind ( gay couple) both are well over 40 but in great shape..never expect them to keep a dinner date or go to a party on time....they love each other so much they often "get lost" with each other. I have to admit I'm a bit jealous (hope the same will happen to me) but they are one of the reasons I stopped hiring escorts..just can't have that with cash always on the table....


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: YellaDawg on June 19, 2008, 06:54:27 AM
I have to say Zeb 'appeared' to be more "together" than to get sucked into gay porn...I believe he did some solo videos but that was it! Also, I want to say anyone has the right to love the person of his/her choice. There are all kinds of reasons why people hook up...a beautiful bodybuilder can love an out of shape 60+ guy, maybe they're soulmates and age and looks have nothing to do with it.

Yeah, and I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. But hope springs eternal!

BTW, there's a video that just surfaced of Matt Rush crying over him being "Sloppy seconds" to Jake Cruise for the sex scene with Zeb Atlas. Watching how upset Matt is over this is just... well, kinda bizarre. But I guess if your value system and self-worth revolve around sex, physical adoration, youth and beauty, that is to be expected.

Here's the video, which I am sure will end up on YouTube in no time...

http://rapidshare.de/files/39751615/matt_rush_cries__2_.flv.html

Play video with this: http://www.videospark.com/index.php?sp=18 


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on June 19, 2008, 11:09:16 AM
Yeah, and I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. But hope springs eternal!

BTW, there's a video that just surfaced of Matt Rush crying over him being "Sloppy seconds" to Jake Cruise for the sex scene with Zeb Atlas. Watching how upset Matt is over this is just... well, kinda bizarre. But I guess if your value system and self-worth revolve around sex, physical adoration, youth and beauty, that is to be expected.

Here's the video, which I am sure will end up on YouTube in no time...

http://rapidshare.de/files/39751615/matt_rush_cries__2_.flv.html

Play video with this: http://www.videospark.com/index.php?sp=18 

Oh brother!  That video was a little too much drama for me.  I don't even want to know what that was all about!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: Patricku9 on June 19, 2008, 11:13:45 AM
Is it just me,or are a lot of you being really hypocritical criticising the escorts and johns,but you can't get enough of looking at the pics and posts. Are you all republicans?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: YellaDawg on June 19, 2008, 01:33:47 PM
Is it just me,or are a lot of you being really hypocritical criticising the escorts and johns,but you can't get enough of looking at the pics and posts. Are you all republicans?

In order to fit the true definition of "hypocrisy", we'd have to hire an escort right after viewing the pics or threads and posting about them here.

I think Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan are a hot mess too, but I don't partronize their films. Or whatever it is they do.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on June 19, 2008, 01:54:16 PM
Is it just me,or are a lot of you being really hypocritical criticising the escorts and johns,but you can't get enough of looking at the pics and posts. Are you all republicans?

This forum is about the sex lives of bodybuilders and people interested in muscle.  One very real aspect of that is muscle escorting. With nearly 60,000 views over three years this is clearly a topic people on this board are interested in.  I don’t see anything hypocritical about that.  Nor is warning folks about the dangers of this path or mocking the absurdity of the drama surrounding it all (‘straight’ guys escorting to men?)  If you are curious, I have never hired a muscle escort—or any other kind of escort for that matter.

Haven’t we had this conversation before?  I seem to recall that two years ago you came to this very thread to tell us that this dialogue was beneath your lofty standards… yet here you are again… apparently you just can’t stay away.  So you tell me, who is the hypocrite?


seems to me to be poor taste to post nude pics of the dead and talk about their lifestyles.

You’re entitled to your opinion, of course, but if you were being true to your apparent disapproval would you have been reading a thread on this topic that is weeks old or even commenting on it?  Or do you routinely take the time to comb through old topics and reactivate them only to voice your disapproval?

With more than 14000 views this thread has proven to be the fifth most popular topic in this forum (that is not a sticky) so your view is clearly in the minority, all of which begs the question of what you are doing here if you find all this beneath your standards.

This is the sex forum after all and its purpose is “sexual talk that may be more than one can handle.”  Your concerns about “good taste” remind me of the johns on the muscle escort board.  They don’t mind renting muscle by the hour but when an escort turns up dead they feign moral indignation and attack anyone who dares to question how the escort died or how the activity of tricking with johns might have contributed to the death.

In the words of another hypocrite in this thread, maybe you need to “check yo’ self.”
  :-\




Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: Patricku9 on June 19, 2008, 01:58:45 PM
I'm not a hypocrite,I enjoy the pics,and only cast judgement on the the posters saying how its so sad and wrong.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on June 19, 2008, 02:08:36 PM
I'm not a hypocrite,I enjoy the pics,and only cast judgement on the the posters saying how its so sad and wrong.


seems to me to be poor taste to post nude pics of the dead and talk about their lifestyles.


Do you have a twin brother or a split personality?  I think most people here would find your rhetoric very inconsistent.  The person who wrote that would not be visiting and revisiting this thread.  I think all are welcome here, but visiting this thread in order to condemn it does not make much sense to me.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: YellaDawg on June 19, 2008, 02:11:39 PM
I'm not a hypocrite,I enjoy the pics,and only cast judgement on the the posters saying how its so sad and wrong.

For the record, I personally never said it is "wrong", but I do think a lot of it is fascinatingly sad. And twisted. And funny. I also love watching shows like "Gangland" and "Locked Up".

I guess I just have a very twisted, sick sense of humor. I like freak shows. So shoot me.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on July 04, 2008, 09:54:21 AM
from my mailbag:

Q: Hey I was curios, how does a muscle rent situation go down?  You reach them online then setup a appointment for the muscle rent thing?   What do you do wrestle them down then do whatever you want or ?


A: Although I have a friend who has escorted and a couple friends who have hired escorts, I have never hired an escort myself so you can take my comments for what they are worth…

I think what happens, and how it happens varies from person to person.  Most guys who hire muscle escorts are looking for some kind of sexual experience.  This can be as indirect as the guy standing in front of you and flexing while you jack off with no contact between the two (this is the kind of escorting pros and semi pros prefer to do) or it can be as direct as kissing, anal, and oral intercourse, etc.  From what I have heard/read many sessions involve you performing fellatio on the escort and jerkin yourself to satisfaction.  Different escorts offer or specialize in different “services” so, again, it can vary a lot.  Some escorts specialize in realizing your fantasies….perform feats of strength for you… or wrestle with you… or… you name it.  If you like, some will wear specific articles of clothing you request such as a jockstrap, a leather outfit, a cowboy outfit, or a fireman’s uniform, etc.  You are paying for the experience so you can basically order/ask for whatever you want.  Of course, the more you ask for the more you might have to pay.

If you read a lot of escort ads on the various escort boards, you will see that some escorts spell out specifically what they offer (top, bottom, safe, bareback, party and play, special fantasies, etc.) and for how much so you can make your choice accordingly.  You can rent them for an hour, two hours, or even for an overnight.  Their rates are usually posted in their ads.

There are also escort review sites where guys who have hired escorts write reviews of them for others to read and make an informed choice.  So, for example, if a particular escort has bad hygiene, does not deliver what he promises, or otherwise creates an unsatisfactory experience for the guy who hires him, other potential johns can read about that and choose to avoid that particular escort.  If you have ever purchased anything on ebay or amazon.com it is like the buyer reviews you can find there… but often much more detailed.  Some escorts develop great reputations and do very well.  Obviously, the opposite can happen too.

There are many bigger guys (pros and semi pros) who are available for rent but never advertise because they have to be discrete.  You identify these guys via word of mouth, internet network, private show after-parties, etc.  Once you are plugged into this network, and if you are discrete, you can make offer$ to these guys and depending on their own need$/schedules they may or may not agree to see you.  These guys tend to cost more.



Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on July 04, 2008, 12:58:57 PM
from my mailbag:

Wow Bay, thx for taking your time and writing that all out, and thank you for not including my name.


You're welcome.  ;)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: Victor VonDoom on July 05, 2008, 09:36:35 PM
Muscles for rent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GfWjhOxRks

Back for rent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FRKJg629Dc

Legs for rent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6EPbsrQ5xQ

Back is good but the rest... bah!  Doom disapproves.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: calsf on July 06, 2008, 01:13:15 PM
I may be getting a bit off target here."But what is the deal with tatoos?" Don't these folks realize they're stuck with those things on their body forever? Maybe I should invest in laser tatoo removal.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on July 06, 2008, 05:27:04 PM
I may be getting a bit off target here."But what is the deal with tatoos?" Don't these folks realize they're stuck with those things on their body forever? Maybe I should invest in laser tatoo removal.

You are correct; your question is way off target.  Your dislike of tattoos has nothing to do with muscle escorting.   >:(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on August 14, 2008, 05:45:31 PM
Bay, did you say 2-4k per session for someone like Branch? (just hypothetically speaking here)

I was half joking when I said that (since I know Branch is, shall we say, not gay friendly) but I was serious about the dollar amount.  That was for a private session--not a photo shoot.  Photo shoots usually end up being public like Muscle Gallery and understandably not everyone wants to appear on such a site.

When I threw that figure out there, I was thinking of an overnight session and very probably full on sex.  Again, something most straight bodybuilders would not do.

A typical escort session would just be an hour or two of body contact, kissing, oral/anal, etc.  The usual fee for this sort of thing is $150-250/hour for male escorts.  Muscle escorts can often get away with charging more, say, 200-400/hour.  A physique like Branch’s though could command a lot more.  And since he is the exact opposite of a typical whore—meaning he is someone most muscle schmoes would never normally have access to if I were managing him I would charge even more for him, say $2K-5K depending on the length of time and what he was (or was not) willing to do.  :D

In short, there are plenty of guys who would pay to romp with this...  (let's forget, for a moment, he is 5'6")  ;)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on October 01, 2008, 08:00:27 AM
Would you pay money to sleep with this escort?  Oye!  I guess there really is someone for everyone.  ::)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: cuilblue on October 16, 2008, 07:05:22 PM
One of the issues mentioned earlier in this topic is why a muscled guy would subject himself to becoming a sex object for money?  Well, I wanted to throw in some thoughts on this subject.

In today's society, heavily muscled guys (bodybuilders) are looked on as freakish by most of the population (both men and women).  This is part of the reason that so few sports channels carry much bodybuilding programming.  There are some women who truly like huge guys and there are obviously gay men who also like them, but these people are the minority.  On the flip side, there are also the men (and some women) who like being huge.  The men who choose to muscle up do so for some reason that only they truly understand.  Also, once the muscle head passes the threshold into 'freakish size', it's difficult for him to continue to be accepted by most people (including potential employers).  Of course, there are the football jocks or wrestlers who bulk up for their sport where size is accepted.  But, when their sporting days are over, what then?  That's all they know.  So, many continue bulking up (if not primarily concentrating on that goal alone) to continue to get bigger.

In business situations, you rarely see Jay Cutler sized guys roaming around the office.   This is mostly because of the time, effort and dedication (on so many levels) that it takes to retain that much mass.  It's hard to put in an 8-10 hour day and still have time to put in the necessary hours at the gym combined with a stringent diet.  I'm not saying it can't be done, it's just difficult (and tiring) to do (and lifestyle restricting).   If you do have an 8 hour day job and spend several hours at the gym, there's really very little time left for anything else (like relationships).  So, these muscle heads likely end up very lonely people.  Oh, they have their gym buddies and workout partners, but that usually doesn't extend beyond the gym nor, in many cases, are those considered real relationships.

So, unless the muscle building effort turns out to get him on an IFBB pro stage (or some other national BB contest), what else can you do with that muscle?  Sure, you can show it off at the beach.  You might be able to get a modeling spot (if you're not too big).  But, these aren't likely to make you much money.  If the guy ends up in the 'freakish' size category, general modeling is out.  The only modeling for 'freakish' is for fitness wear for mags like Flex, M&F, Planet Muscle, etc and, to some degree mainstream mags like Men's Fitness.  Even Men's Fitness doesn't really do 'freakish'.  Still, most of those mags restrict their modeling gigs to specific individuals.   It's reasonably hard to get your foot in the door as a new model.  The alternative, then, is sex mags which actually do have a huge following and tend to make a lot of money (although, not necessarily for the model).

For the muscle guy who doesn't have a day job (or doesn't have the skills for it), he'll opt for spending his day hours bulking up because that's what he knows how to do.  The problem, though, is once you're there, what do you do with the muscle?  Clearly, if you're not on stage posing (winning contests) and you don't have a day job, you need some way to make money.  It's not like most retailers are going to hire a Cutler sized guy to man a cash register or be a door greeter.  That may be discriminatory, but it's very intimidating to have someone that size standing there.  These guys would end up working the unloading dock or stockroom out of sight (very manual labor and probably lesser paying too).  Other professions include jobs like cop, fireman, bodyguard or bouncer... assuming the guy wants to do that sort of semi-dangerous work (and not get paid all that well doing it).  That finally leaves... you guessed it... escorting... where muscle is quite accepted.

That said, for the same reason that the johns want to pay for a temporary relationship, these muscle escorts also feel the same need (and they get paid reasonably well for it) because all they know is the gym (and likely performance enhancing drugs).  They need the cash to continue to pay bills.  They get an ego boost from their John.. so, being an escort is a temporary high and a paycheck.  In the escorting lifestyle, I'm quite sure there's a lot of pressure to perform, so enhancing drugs become a staple to ensure the performance (and continued viability as an escort).  As an escort, it's ego building to have someone worship your body.  After the escort, however, that ego rapidly deflates once they get back home and into the gym where the gym buddies see the flaws, not the features.

So, unless the muscle guy ends up with a Pro card on a bodybuilding stage, there's not a whole lot of professions left for a guy with 22" arms, 58" chest and quads the size of the someone's head.  After his tenure on stage is done, what then?  If he's well known enough, perhaps endorsements for a while, but how long will that last and how much would he make?  If he's invested any winnings wisely, he might be able to make a living after the stage.  But, many of the winning purses are only $10,000 (poverty level if you win 1 per year).  But, again, where does a muscle guy go to make money besides where I've mentioned?  For those without a marketable job skill combined with freakish muscles as the primary attribute, this is a problem.  Many former bodybuilders have returned to a more reasonable body size, partly because of cessation of steroids, but also because they know it's really only truly accepted on the bodybuilding stage.  It's also very hard on the body.

Why then do they escort (and continue to escort)?  Because there are so few jobs where a freakish sized muscle guy can continue to be freakish and make money.




Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: Patricku9 on October 16, 2008, 10:16:47 PM
Would you pay money to sleep with this escort?  Oye!  I guess there really is someone for everyone.  ::)

he has a 10 inch crank.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on October 29, 2008, 08:27:42 AM
cuilblue:

You say they escort because “there are few jobs where a freakish sized muscle guy can continue to be freakish and make money.”  I do not really buy that. 

I could very easily (and with some credibility) say there is racial discrimination in legitimate fields of employment for black men . . . therefore I will become an escort.  But the first part of that sentence does not logically lead to the second part. 

Obviously, these big guys escort for a variety of reasons, but chief among them is that there is a market for them that pays and they simply do not want to engage in, or limit themselves to, legitimate lines of work.  They made a choice to escort; it is as simple as that.

No bodybuilder is trapped or forced into becoming a whore. 



Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on October 30, 2008, 06:34:30 AM
Is this dude still escorting?  Still alive?  Anyone know? ???


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on October 30, 2008, 05:56:06 PM
My aren't we prissy?    Perhaps you'd like him more in his prime.

Nah. I'd still pass.  But as I said, there is someone for everyone so, it's all good.  :D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: BayGBM on November 23, 2008, 09:39:18 AM
Part two of Ashley's interview sounds a lot like muscle escorting.  :-\

http://abcnews.go.com/2020
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=6280407&page=1


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on January 12, 2009, 03:27:43 AM
 :D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on March 14, 2009, 12:23:20 PM
http://www.rentboy.com/listing.aspx?lid=153540&scid=19066275&sp=1&pos=6

There has got to be an easier way to make $250.

I don't know how these escorts do it?  I cannot stand the idea of someone I do not like even touching me much less something more explicit.  I wouldn't let an anonymous John fuck me for any amount of money!  Oh well, at least by hiding his face, he can hide his shame.  8)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on May 29, 2009, 06:28:57 AM
 :P


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: maxbenner on June 01, 2009, 01:06:31 AM
who is this guy ?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (gay)
Post by: Mega Man on June 01, 2009, 09:29:05 PM
And why the hell can't they date each other? Fat people, old people, ugly people, disabled people -- straight AND gay -- marry and fuck each other every day in this world, and as often as the day is long. The idea that some dried-up old prune or some obese turd is only attracted to and can only fall in love with or get his rocks off by the sight of some young bodybuilder... well, there's some serious twisted psychological damage there. I can understand hiring someone for the occasional annual fantasy or bithday present -- but there's that twisted, sad 77 year old guy on that site who gushes about hiring one guy 35 times. And he is revered over there, like he is someone to be admired. There's also another regular poster there (with "rent" in his screen name) who brags about hiring almost every muscle escort publicly known to man, as if he owns some kind of collection of rare trading cards or something. True, money might not be an issue for those people, but what's the emotional trade-off?

What site are you talking about?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on October 22, 2009, 09:30:28 AM
This guy on the right (who works/volunteers as an usher at IFBB shows -- here he is at the 2009 Olympia) has been escorting and hustling in NYC for at least 16 years now. He every now and then still advertises at rentboy, and print publications in nyc under various pseudonyms" Joe, Mark, etc. What's sad is he has to be at least in his mid 40s now.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/7992/0/d/img_03781253867744.jpg

He started out hustling at the hustling bars in NYC, before Guiliani cracked down on all that. There used to be a few gay bars in NYC where muscle guys could openly prostitute themselves to the clients: Rounds was one, Stella's was another. In LA, there was a place called Numbers.

EDIT: he even currently has a rentboy ad: http://www.rentboy.com/listing.aspx?lid=7127&scid=31998358&sp=1&pos=9



Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on January 05, 2010, 10:20:46 PM
Male prostitution is Nevada's newest legal profession
After months of debate in the state's surprisingly squeamish brothel community, Nye County officials agree to let Shady Lady Ranch near Death Valley hire men.
By Ashley Powers

Reporting from Tonopah, Nev.

Brothel owner Bobbi Davis got the go-ahead Tuesday to hire what her website cheekily calls "a few good men."

Her Shady Lady Ranch is searching for "service-oriented" guys willing to become Nevada's first legal male sex workers.

"I personally feel, as do the many other women who have made contact with me since I started this, that this is a service whose time has come," Davis said in a letter to Nye County officials.

A county board's vote Tuesday affirming that Davis could offer "shady men" to her clientele followed months of rancorous debate among the state's legal brothel community. The industry, in its own peculiar way, is somewhat conservative: Considered an anachronism of bawdy mining camps by some Nevada newcomers, it often balks at change.

Of course, new ideas in a business unique to Nevada (in its legal form) are a touch different. Adding porn stars to brothel lineups rankled some owners. Overturning a ban on brothel advertising, a battle Davis and the American Civil Liberties Union helped lead, also stirred up debate. Though neither change shuttered the state's 25 or so bordellos -- some would argue the publicity helped -- many owners still operate in an off-the-grid manner, wary of being shut down.

George Flint, longtime lobbyist for the Nevada Brothel Assn., has said that allowing male prostitutes could be the industry's Pearl Harbor. He has hinted that brothels possibly offering gay sex -- a choice each prostitute, as an independent contractor, would be free to make -- might sour some legislators on the entire brothel system.

Nevada lawmakers are notoriously skittish when discussing the birds and bees. The Legislature, even when severely cash-strapped, has repeatedly declined to tax the brothels (which are banned in Reno and Las Vegas) for fear of, well, legitimizing the business.

"This is the first time in the history of the world . . . that men have been licensed to sell sex," Flint said Tuesday, his voice rising. "It's never been done!"

Davis and her husband, Jim, merely hope to boost business. Their small outpost near Death Valley, about 150 miles northwest of Las Vegas, offers as many as five women, relies heavily on travelers and has gotten some requests for gigolos.

After announcing her plans this summer, Davis and attorney Allen Lichtenstein succeeded where the better-known Hollywood Madam, Heidi Fleiss, had failed. In 2005, Fleiss announced that she was moving to Pahrump, in southern Nye County, in hopes of creating a "stud farm." She opened a Laundromat instead.

Davis figures that, even if it's a flop, adding men to her roster is worth trying. She has been inundated with more than 100 applications, she said, though she held off on hiring until she'd cleared all bureaucratic hurdles.

The final one: Tuesday's meeting of the Nye County Licensing and Liquor Board, which is made up of five county commissioners and Sheriff Tony DeMeo, who had been openly skeptical of Davis' plan.

Opponents who promised to take buses to Tonopah, however, failed to show up. Not one constituent spoke about the proposal. But DeMeo, Flint and Dennis Hof, owner of the Moonlite BunnyRanch, raised concerns about monitoring the spread of infectious diseases, though state health regulators had already cleared the way for male sex workers.

"You guys can't scare me," said Commissioner Lorinda Wichman before voting in Davis' favor. "I'm going to try this."

Though the vote was relatively nonconfrontational, the discussion beforehand showed how much controversy remains. For much of Davis' speech, officials rested their chins in their hands, lowered their eyes or slumped in their chairs. When the sheriff noted that Davis' statement varied from her letter to commissioners, she read aloud one section with force.

"It seems the biggest hoopla is a great fear in some people's minds that some kind of homosexual activity might go on," she said. "Why panic I don't understand . . . it's not my intent to encourage or promote or to turn my business into a 'gay property.' "

DeMeo wondered whether sex workers could check female customers for signs of disease as easily as men. Davis said yes.

"If you want me to go into the inspection routine, I will," she said.

"Please don't!" said a commissioner, to laughter.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: Victor VonDoom on January 21, 2010, 05:17:26 PM
Why is this guy "pumping my bis and checking the chicks at the same time" yet making and posting videos for men (to drum up escort work)?  Bah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63iXUNTZV6g


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on March 08, 2010, 07:23:45 PM
I previously mentioned that "Whenever the deaths were reported (they were many) on the muscle gossip/escort board, all we were told is that the guy died.  If anyone dared to ask HOW the guy died they were immediately smacked down by one of the moderators for asking.  Some people were even banned for asking (they eventually came back under new identities)."  So, is it wrong or otherwise inappropriate to ask about the cause of a death?  The Ethicist has the answer:


 
Q: A dear friend died recently and unexpectedly. I asked his widow if he had been ill and received an evasive answer and a sense that she was hiding something. It is unsettling not to know how my old friend died. Would it be wrong to check his death certificate — it is a public record — or would that be an invasion of privacy? name withheld, Los Angeles

A: It would be insensitive to demand this information from a widow awash in grief but not unethical to seek it yourself. A death certificate is, as you note, a public record; cause of death is routinely printed in obituaries. It might vex the widow to discover that you acquired this information, but that need not deter you. Your long friendship with her late husband has its own claims. It is a natural and honorable thing to want to know how a close friend died. And it is estimable in itself to gain a deeper understanding of the world, including knowledge that is steeped in sadness.

Even if your friend himself had wished to conceal these bleak details, you could seek them now: he is beyond being harmed by your doing so. The dead have no claims to privacy, something reflected not only in ethics but also in law: you cannot, for example, libel the dead. As Voltaire said: “One owes respect to the living. To the dead, one owes only the truth.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on March 21, 2010, 06:20:07 AM
muscle escorting... in action!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: ezgoin4muscle on March 23, 2010, 04:24:44 AM
 ??? Its all a choice made by adults that is really nobody's business. Unless your there who knows what gos on behind closed doors...No?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on March 29, 2010, 02:09:47 PM
From my mailbag:

Q: Bay,
How would one go about getting "sponsorship"?  I am in X (city) and got to start making some extra $$$ to compete.
Thanks,
(name withheld)



A: Are you serious or is this a joke?  Going down this road effectively means becoming a male prostitute.  Are you willing to do that?  If you are in good shape there are guys (schmoes) that are willing to hire you for access to your body but

1) they will only pay top dollar if you are already huge and ripped.  They are not willing to pay for someone who hopes to become huge and ripped some day in the future.

2) How old are you? &guy usually = more money.  If you have the face & body of Jeff Long or Seth Feroce you can command top dollar, say, $1000 per session.  Typical escort sessions are in the $200-300 range.

3) What are you willing to do with a schmoe? Stand and pose? Get gropped? Wrestle? Get sucked off? Or have sex?  Obviously, the more you do the more money you can command.

I think most up and comers find sponsors by creating a website for themselves with lots of good photos and then mention that they are “looking for sponsorship.”  That is the code phrase that says “I’m available for the right price—contact me now.” Most serious bodybuilders have good photos of themselves so if you are serious about this you should as well.  On the other hand, if you just want to be an escort who happens to be in good shape, you can always place an ad on the usual escort sites like rentboy.com.

Proceed with caution. :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: BayGBM on May 19, 2010, 02:46:12 PM
That poor lady.  His allimony will pay her therapy.  She must be embarrassed and humiliated.  Not good Bay!

It's four years later; a few book and TV deals later Ted and his wife are still together.  Who saw that coming?  Not me.

This is an interesting video.  "homosexual temptations"?  "heterosexual with homosexual attachments"? ???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94EnKUJQHI4


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on May 22, 2010, 10:22:17 AM
subscribing to catch up on all 13 pages.

"easier way to make $250?"  really; lie back, get a blow job; watch some str8 porn...every guy loves a great BJ; in , out, done in 12 minutes max.  if there is an easier way to make $250 I'd like to know.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on May 24, 2010, 05:30:58 PM
You are assuming that a blow job is the activity being paid for.  Is it?  If money is on the table I am wiling to wager that the John wants more.  Based on my readings of that escort forum anal is a regular part of the escort/John exchange… and some of those Johns are not exactly attractive if you get my drift. :-X

Would you open your ass to some random John for $250?  Or top some John who may not have the body type you prefer?  How do you even get hard for someone you find repulsive?  ???


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on May 25, 2010, 04:42:07 AM
You are assuming that a blow job is the activity being paid for.  Is it?  If money is on the table I am wiling to wager that the John wants more.  Based on my readings of that escort forum anal is a regular part of the escort/John exchange… and some of those Johns are not exactly attractive if you get my drift. :-X

Would you open your ass to some random John for $250?  Or top some John who may not have the body type you prefer?  How do you even get hard for someone you find repulsive?  ???
close your eyes, think of someone that you would like to fuck - take some viagra; and raise the asking price to $500 or $1000.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on May 25, 2010, 06:50:36 AM
But that’s not what escorts do.  They do it all for around $250.  You will never see a male escort ad for $1000 because that is not what they charge (unless it is for several days).  My point remains, “There has got to be an easier way to make $250.”

If you can close your eyes and “think of someone that you would like to fuck” when you are being pawned, fucked, or fucking then you have a better imagination than I do.  Would you crawl into bed with this guy and start slurping for $250? ???  And remember the slurping is just foreplay.  The the guy in the rentboy pix above is showing off his bare ass for a reason--because he is willing to open it up for johns.  :-X


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on May 25, 2010, 09:38:01 AM
But that’s not what escorts do.  They do it all for around $250.  You will never see a male escort ad for $1000 because that is not what they charge (unless it is for several days).  My point remains, “There has got to be an easier way to make $250.”

If you can close your eyes and “think of someone that you would like to fuck” when you are being pawned, fucked, or fucking then you have a better imagination than I do.  Would you crawl into bed with this guy and start slurping for $250? ???  And remember the slurping is just foreplay.  The the guy in the rentboy pix above is showing off his bare ass for a reason--because he is willing to open it up for johns.  :-X

the escort can always say 'no thanks'.  unless the price was higher. I'd let him blow me and play with my balls for $1500.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on May 25, 2010, 09:43:31 AM
the escort can always say 'no thanks'.  unless the price was higher. I'd let him blow me and play with my balls for $1500.

LOL  You drive a hard bargain!  No deal!  ;D

I've always been surprised that male escorts (at least the hot ones) don't charge more than they do.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on June 18, 2010, 03:19:56 AM

I've always been surprised that male escorts (at least the hot ones) don't charge more than they do.

Face it. Many of them have drug habits. The need to support a habit makes for some incredible compromises.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: bigboyz on July 29, 2010, 01:47:16 PM
 I have to say. I had had several Muscle worship sessions with most of these guys. Scott just wanted the Money to get bigger and I was good for his ego. Rod  went crazy with Drugs years ago and his who;e face changed . Andrew was a really nice confortable guy. Some of us who have hired these guys because we don't want or have the time for the Gay bar scenes and work long hours. I have always respect these guys for the hard work that I do not have time to do. I do have money but no time. I love to see a young guy grow and get bigger but most Muscle worship guys get turned off when their Buddy becomes CRAZY from drugs, Roid smell ect... Because I gave them a couple of bucks to pose they were all safe Exclude a couple , but I had enough sense to stay safe.
 Hustling did not kill them ! Money did not kill them ! What they did to their Bodies killed them and it is a shame.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on September 06, 2010, 12:03:36 PM
I have to say. I had had several Muscle worship sessions with most of these guys. Scott just wanted the Money to get bigger and I was good for his ego. Rod  went crazy with Drugs years ago and his who;e face changed . Andrew was a really nice confortable guy. Some of us who have hired these guys because we don't want or have the time for the Gay bar scenes and work long hours. I have always respect these guys for the hard work that I do not have time to do. I do have money but no time. I love to see a young guy grow and get bigger but most Muscle worship guys get turned off when their Buddy becomes CRAZY from drugs, Roid smell ect... Because I gave them a couple of bucks to pose they were all safe Exclude a couple , but I had enough sense to stay safe.
 Hustling did not kill them ! Money did not kill them ! What they did to their Bodies killed them and it is a shame.

Of course, you're too blind or willfully ignorant to see the connection between the hustling and what they used the money for that you were giving them for hustling with you.

You claim the only reason you hire these guys is because you simply do not have time for the bar scene or you work long hours -- as if you're the only people in the world who work long hours. The cold hard truth is that you cannot socially compete on a bar scene level for the kinds of men that you are (unreasonably) attracted to. A guy in a bar or at a club who had muscles would no be into someone like you, so you have to pay for it.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on September 06, 2010, 07:36:16 PM
Of course, you're too blind or willfully ignorant to see the connection between the hustling and what they used the money for that you were giving them for hustling with you.

You claim the only reason you hire these guys is because you simply do not have time for the bar scene or you work long hours -- as if you're the only people in the world who work long hours. The cold hard truth is that you cannot socially compete on a bar scene level for the kinds of men that you are (unreasonably) attracted to. A guy in a bar or at a club who had muscles would not be into someone like you, so you have to pay for it.


Ouch! 

I hate to do it because it sounds mean spirited, but I have to agree with this.  The idea that one is “too busy” or doesn’t have time for the “bar scene” is laughable.  The people who make this claim do so with the implication that if they weren’t so “busy” they could land these same heavily muscled men.  Bigboyz may be fooling himself with this line of thinking, but he is certainly not fooling YellaDawg, me, or anyone else.

By the way, the “bar scene” is not the only way to meet men.  I have met men at the grocery store, the post office, at the beach, online, at work, at school, the gym, etc.  But I have met them in bars too, and the truth is the bar scene (this varies from bar to bar) can be very competitive!  If you are a shrinking violet, ugly, poor social skills, out of shape, etc. you haven’t a prayer of landing a huge muscle man (or anyone else for that matter).  As YD says, you cannot socially compete.  Attempting to mask this failure by saying one is "too busy" for "the bar scene" is woefully transparent.  :-[


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on September 09, 2010, 04:45:07 AM
whether I could pick them up at a gym, bar, grocery store doesn't interest me. I know what I want, when I want it and will pay for it.  if my age/body style, personality doesn't please the BB, that doesn't bother me, either.  he wants the money, I want to play with his body.  His ability to be a great escort is to give the impression he is enjoying himself whilst in my company.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on September 09, 2010, 08:09:15 PM
whether I could pick them up at a gym, bar, grocery store doesn't interest me. I know what I want, when I want it and will pay for it.  if my age/body style, personality doesn't please the BB, that doesn't bother me, either.  he wants the money, I want to play with his body.  His ability to be a great escort is to give the impression he is enjoying himself whilst in my company.

At least you're honest -- unlike bigboyz who rationalizes why he has to hire hookers.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on September 10, 2010, 05:47:07 AM
x2

If you or Bigboyz want to have a muscle transaction that’s fine.  The point here is that it is self serving and foolish to pretend that the reason you have elected to do so is because you are “too busy” and don’t “have the time for the Gay bar scenes and work long hours.”  If money were not on the table those muscle guys wouldn’t be giving Bigboyz the time of day. Muscle escorts have casual, volitional, free sex all the time—the point is they are not having it with guys like Bigboyz.  If he wants it, he has to pay for it.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on September 11, 2010, 05:38:58 AM
I'm comfortable with that.  when I'm horny and want muscle, I'll hire it.  I can schedule the time, place, activity and duration. The nicer, friendlier guys get the repeat business. In the end, it is about my gratification; if they have a good time that's fine by me.  None of the ones I've hired have ever been surly or rude; the really good ones can feign interest.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on September 20, 2010, 06:48:15 PM
Private hotel room?  check
Provocative glances and sultry grins? check
Stripping down from jeans to trunks?  check
Camera zooming in and out on muscle groups? check

If it looks, acts, and quacks like a duck... then it's a private posing session.  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRLuYaElL54


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on September 21, 2010, 09:26:52 AM
precum on slacks....check.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on September 27, 2010, 06:07:01 AM

what kinda price would Paco command on the muscle escort circuit Bay?

for dudes that are into threaded, dense, striated lean muscle..........paco has to be the white whale 

Lol!  ;D

Hmm, if I were his pimp, he would go for $5000 per overnight session (depending on what he was willing to do).  Even if he were conservative you couldn't have him for less than $2000 for a few hours of fun.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on September 27, 2010, 06:26:40 AM
Lol!  ;D

Hmm, if I were his pimp, he would go for $5000 per overnight session (depending on what he was willing to do).  Even if he were conservative you couldn't have him for less than $2000 for a few hours of fun.


well with your knowledge of the scene, and business acumen 

i would say you have a bright future......in "muscle pimping"



perhaps paco is wasting his time trying to garner a 5k payoff in third tier IFBB circuit shows


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on September 27, 2010, 06:33:03 AM

well with your knowledge of the scene, and business acumen  

i would say you have a bright future......in "muscle pimping"

perhaps paco is wasting his time trying to garner a 5k payoff in third tier IFBB circuit shows

Maybe, but obviously these huge, ripped guys are not in it primarily for money.  The love of bodybuilding, ego, narcissism, etc. can all be just as motivating as cash.  Plus, would you want to give gross schmoes full, explicit access to your body for a few dollars?  I wouldn't?  :-X


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on October 01, 2010, 12:38:16 PM
Maybe, but obviously these huge, ripped guys are not in it primarily for money.  The love of bodybuilding, ego, narcissism, etc. can all be just as motivating as cash.  Plus, would you want to give gross schmoes full, explicit access to your body for a few dollars?  I wouldn't?  :-X
for $5000.00 an hour; have at it, boys!  give me the cash first, though


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on October 26, 2010, 06:16:54 AM
Why did he go there?   ??? :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on November 18, 2010, 01:46:03 PM
Two of my private message correspondents and I have been mocking a muscle escort who advertises himself as well educated with a graduate degree.  Is this claim supposed to make him more attractive to Johns?  If they are hiring him for muscle are they going to be impressed by or care about his graduate degree?

Similarly, why is someone with a graduate degree, which ostensibly indicates a measure of success and refinement, willing to open up his ass or peddle his cock to any John with $200?

Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this picture?   ???


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on November 19, 2010, 06:09:05 AM
i agree with you.
I'm not hiring brains. I'm not taking them out to dinner; I'm hiring them for an hour and their body.
Now, if they advertise 'clean'..that would be a positive statement.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on December 04, 2010, 11:35:08 AM
Schmoetastic!  Easily $5000 per night!  ;D

You gotta be kidding. 4-5k a night?
Thats more than those top pornstars charge to whore themselves to the general public! Craziness!

Remember, we are talking about the absolute top of the muscle food chain.  You can't get that just anywhere.  Nasser, Doz, Ruhl, Fux, Warren could go for $4000-$5000 on the schmoe meat market.  Of course we are talking about an overnight session--not per hour.  ;D




Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on December 05, 2010, 05:51:32 AM
i agree with you.
I'm not hiring brains. I'm not taking them out to dinner; I'm hiring them for an hour and their body.
Now, if they advertise 'clean'..that would be a positive statement.

At the MSS boards, some of those old fugly schmoe queens DO take their muscle tricks to a fancy dinner first before going back to the hotel room for a night of sucking, blowing and fucking. Some of those old schmoes seem to be concerned that the bodybuilder wear the proper dinner attire and say the right things to "fit in" at a 4-star restaurant.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on December 05, 2010, 07:07:00 AM
I think it is fair to say different schmoes want different experiences and levels of engagement... Some want sex and only sex (and certain kinds of sex or fantasy).  Some want to go on a "date" and everthing in between. But at the end of the day the schmoe has to pay: $100-$5000.  :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on December 05, 2010, 11:32:05 AM
Remember, we are talking about the absolute top of the muscle food chain.  You can't get that just anywhere.  Nasser, Doz, Ruhl, Fux, Warren could go for $4000-$5000 on the schmoe meat market.  Of course we are talking about an overnight session--not per hour.  ;D




very true


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on December 08, 2010, 01:24:10 PM
If they escorted this is what they could command on the schmoe meat market (assumes an overnight session when they were in peak shape, and me as their muscle pimp).  ;D

$5000+ club (tier 1)
Coleman, Cutler, Doz, Nasser, Fux, Bautista, Warren, etc.

$3000- $4000 club (tier 2)
Atwood, D. Ball, K. Green, M. Kjellstrom, Z. Khan, Kovacs, J. Long, V. Martinez, Ruhl, Scholz,

$2000 and under (tier 3)
Arntz, Efferding, D. Riley, Constantinos, R. Burneika, Centopani, S. Milne, S. Farmer, L. Priest

$1000 and under (tier 4)
Ty Young, C. Martin, M. VanWyck

(tier 5)
the usual suspects


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on December 09, 2010, 01:16:34 PM
i like your line of work.
i'd be happy to be your first customer.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on December 10, 2010, 07:35:42 AM
That's gonna cost you!  

Which tier do you want...?  And remember, no coupons or discounts!  ;D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: Victor VonDoom on December 10, 2010, 01:18:02 PM
If they escorted this is what they could command on the schmoe meat market (assumes an overnight session when they were in peak shape, and me as their muscle pimp).  ;D

$5000+ club (tier 1)
Coleman, Cutler, Doz, Nasser, Fux, Bautista, Warren, etc.

$3000- $4000 club (tier 2)
Atwood, D. Ball, K. Green, M. Kjellstrom, Z. Khan, Kovacs, J. Long, V. Martinez, Ruhl, Scholz,

$2000 and under (tier 3)
Arntz, Efferding, D. Riley, Constantinos, R. Burneika, Centopani, S. Milne, S. Farmer

$1000 and under (tier 4)
Ty Young, C. Martin, M. VanWyck

(tier 5)
the usual suspects

Too rich for Doom's blood!  Bah!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on December 11, 2010, 06:15:14 AM
That's gonna cost you!  

Which tier do you want...?  And remember, no coupons or discounts!  ;D

just several piles of Benjamins. Someone who fits your 'punk' category thread.  to start. I'll work up to Fux later.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on December 11, 2010, 06:42:40 AM
just several piles of Benjamins. Someone who fits your 'punk' category thread.  to start. I'll work up to Fux later.

LOL the punks you can have for free!  :D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on December 12, 2010, 10:01:56 AM
Dubai is where the real money is.

If a BB has done the Persian Gulf tour...you can be sure they have had more hands on their body than a young boy at the hajj.

x2


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on December 12, 2010, 10:58:16 AM
LOL the punks you can have for free!  :D

stuff them in my christmas stocking!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: Bam-bam on April 07, 2011, 07:34:52 PM
wow, these homos are droping like flies. No wonder they want to keep cause of death a secret, gay sex with mutliple "partners" is almost a sure thing to get aids you know, DOD my ass  ::)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on April 22, 2011, 05:47:57 AM
Something is wrong when escorts are dying at the tender age of 21... as this one did.  :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on May 03, 2011, 09:09:41 PM
;D ;D ;D

Ok, how do you put Male Bodybuilders on different levels? Is it by Muscle shape, size, density, looks,... ???


It is a very complex formula: sheer size is a BIG factor, but conditioning also matters a great deal.  It may surprise you to know that one can get credit for past size and conditioning (as Ruhl does here).  He is clearly past his peak, but he gets points for the way he used to look.  Good contest placings (or potential for) also matter; schmoes assign great value to someone who has placed in the top five or top ten.  Facial looks don't matter so much; it is more like icing on the cake--but above average looks can be a factor.  Things like a roid belly, gyno, site injections do not matter at all.  Shredded glutes, on the other hand, are a huge plus!  A full head of hair is also a plus--but it's not a requirement.

Bottom line: huge and grainy (willing to die for you, bitch!) = more $.  ;)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on June 05, 2011, 05:44:29 AM
What gets a bodybuilder from tier to tier? The level of muscularity? Size of arms? Low bodyfat? Please do not tell me placings in bodybuilding shows...That would be somewhat strange. You cannot find a bodybuilder sexually more or less attractive based on contest placings can you??? It seems like the guys who place the highest are the most sexually desirable or do I not have that right?

Contest placings matter and winning the O or the Arnold definitely matters!  Certain positions in life come with cache, power, or appeal.  And it is not always, or even primarily, about sexual attraction.  Think of it this way: did Monica service Clinton because he was irresistibly sexually attractive?  No.  Did Marilyn Monroe go after Kennedy because he was the ultimate in sexy?  No.  The office they held made them attractive; a woman wants to be able to say that she had sex with POTUS.  Similarly, a schmoe wants to know, or be able to say, that he romped with the most muscular man in the world!  Remember, this is a fantasy many schmoes have been dreaming about since puberty . . . and to finally make it happen?  That’s a fantasy worth paying for and enough to make any schmoe bust a nut!  :P


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on June 06, 2011, 04:38:02 AM
agreed.
I'm a star fucker..


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on June 17, 2011, 06:09:10 AM
Mike B  :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on July 08, 2011, 06:18:58 AM
Bodybuilder.  Porn Actor.  Escort.  Steffen is now available--to men!  :P

"...I offer posing with oil or without, Service. Lift, escort, and carry, wrestling and everything else on request. Furthermore, you can also book me for shows and performances to accompany me to Championships and cheer for me.  Because nothing beats motivation whether on the stage, the pumps in the studio or in life.  By the many requests, I also offer personal training and advice on bodybuilding and nutrition."


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on July 08, 2011, 06:33:54 AM
^^^^^^^^
off to the ATM
( and that's not ass-to-mouth)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on July 08, 2011, 06:39:07 AM
When he is in shape he is indeed a hottie!  :P

I would market him at tier 3!  :D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on July 25, 2011, 07:27:16 AM
tier 4


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on August 02, 2011, 06:36:53 AM
 :P


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on August 02, 2011, 12:04:14 PM
:P
excuse me,
I'll be right back.
heading to the ATM machine for a quick $500.
I could make him smile even more....


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on August 10, 2011, 05:52:51 AM
tier 5


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on August 13, 2011, 06:41:09 AM
dig it!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: Mega Man on August 14, 2011, 10:37:16 AM
What are the top sites to find Muscle Escorts???


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on August 14, 2011, 02:03:20 PM
http://www.men4rentnow.com/
http://www.rentboy.com/
http://www.massagem4m.com/
other?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: Mega Man on August 14, 2011, 02:14:00 PM
http://www.men4rentnow.com/
http://www.rentboy.com/
http://www.massagem4m.com/
other?

Are there any others? I would like to know more...I have a whole favorite section for dating sites of all kinds..


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on August 14, 2011, 06:46:12 PM
Are there any others? I would like to know more...I have a whole favorite section for dating sites of all kinds..

How many sites do you need?  Aren't three enough?  If you are interested in a particular BB visit his website and read it carefully; if he is “looking for sponsors” that is code for “I’m available for the right price.”  Send him a private email and you can discuss terms…  :-X


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: tbombz on August 15, 2011, 09:51:27 AM
dig it!
does this guy compete ?? he looks like he could be top 6 in any pro show he entered..


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on September 01, 2011, 04:16:38 AM
does this guy compete ?? he looks like he could be top 6 in any pro show he entered..

Of course he does.  Don't you recognize him?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on September 03, 2011, 08:16:41 AM
tier 3 with tier 2 potential!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on September 03, 2011, 11:05:18 AM
tier 3 with tier 2 potential!
like the way he has his VDL with dick pointing straight up with those cute balls on either side.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on September 09, 2011, 05:45:20 AM
Tier 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bww_BQTkkkw


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on September 09, 2011, 05:46:58 AM
like the way he has his VDL with dick pointing straight up with those cute balls on either side.

You see Scott's pic and that is what you take note of?  I give you credit for being consistent!  :D

By the way, those are kind of shorts/posing trunks I like.  There is no reason for posing garments to be any smaller than that.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on September 24, 2011, 11:13:14 AM
tier 4 with tier 3 potential.  :D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on September 24, 2011, 01:09:56 PM
tier 4 with tier 3 potential.  :D
that's $500. an hour! and money well spent!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on September 30, 2011, 06:40:54 AM
When he's on, I'd put Brad in tier 2!  :P


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: Primemuscle on October 06, 2011, 05:33:50 PM
I talked to a fellow last night at a local gay bar who worked as a male gay prostitute on weekends when he was a teen and in his early twenties. He says he did it because it was fun. His parents were wealthy so he didn't need the money. He lived at home until going to college. He would sneak out of his parent's house and take a bus into Portland, OR. on the weekends to prostitute himself and party. When his parents found out what was going on, his dad kicked him out of the house. They later reconciled.

This fellow is fifty-five now. He is a very successful businessman with a longtime partner (25 years). He moved on from prostitution a many years ago.

Not everyone who takes a "walk on the wild side" ends up dead or ruined. That's just a myth that some self righteous folks like to perpetuate. Perhaps when someone feels forced into doing things that they wouldn't otherwise do, like prostitution, they have a harder time with it. Another issue is that it is generally a young person's game. For most fellows, if they are still trying to make a living off schmoes as they approach middle-age, they aren't doing much for their self-esteem. There is always someone younger, better looking and more willing to do crazy shit for dollars.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on October 07, 2011, 05:36:07 AM
I talked to a fellow last night at a local gay bar who worked as a male gay prostitute on weekends when he was a teen and in his early twenties. He says he did it because it was fun. His parents were wealthy so he didn't need the money. He lived at home until going to college. He would sneak out of his parent's house and take a bus into Portland, OR. on the weekends to prostitute himself and party. When his parents found out what was going on, his dad kicked him out of the house. They later reconciled.

This fellow is fifty-five now. He is a very successful businessman with a longtime partner (25 years). He moved on from prostitution a many years ago.

Not everyone who takes a "walk on the wild side" ends up dead or ruined. That's just a myth that some self righteous folks like to perpetuate. Perhaps when someone feels forced into doing things that they wouldn't otherwise do, like prostitution, they have a harder time with it. Another issue is that it is generally a young person's game. For most fellows, if they are still trying to make a living off schmoes as they approach middle-age, they aren't doing much for their self-esteem. There is always someone younger, better looking and more willing to do crazy shit for dollars.

"there is always someone younger......"
Amen to that, and I'm always glad to help 'em out.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on October 07, 2011, 06:14:05 AM
"there is always someone younger......"
Amen to that, and I'm always glad to help 'em out.

Assuming that's what one wants.  I'll take a muscledaddy over a punk anyday!   :P


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: Primemuscle on October 07, 2011, 11:18:27 AM
Assuming that's what one wants.  I'll take a muscledaddy over a punk anyday!   :P

Ha, ha! Are you suggesting I could supplement my SSI and annuity retirement income with hustling? -How about a muscle grand-daddy? Well, at least with me, it would be all business and no drama, no drugs, and no rip-offs. There is something to be said for that, I guess.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on October 07, 2011, 03:02:56 PM
Ha, ha! Are you suggesting I could supplement my SSI and annuity retirement income with hustling? -How about a muscle grand-daddy? Well, at least with me, it would be all business and no drama, no drugs, and no rip-offs. There is something to be said for that, I guess.

Yes, you could!  The question is, do you have the body for it?  If you look like Don Youngblood or Geir Paulson then you can trade your beef for cash!  :D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on October 09, 2011, 01:06:14 PM
Yes, you could!  The question is, do you have the body for it?  If you look like Don Youngblood or Geir Paulson then you can trade your beef for cash!  :D
i'm heading to the ATM already  ( and that's NOT ass-to-mouth )  ;D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on October 09, 2011, 03:49:55 PM
i'm heading to the ATM already  ( and that's NOT ass-to-mouth )  ;D

I want to see the beef first!  Adolf Hopf for example :)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: Primemuscle on October 09, 2011, 09:13:30 PM
i'm heading to the ATM already  ( and that's NOT ass-to-mouth )  ;D

I probably don't have the body for it. I'm just regular fellow who works out trying to stay healthy and fit.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on October 12, 2011, 05:33:32 AM
I probably don't have the body for it. I'm just regular fellow who works out trying to stay healthy and fit.
that's just the type of guy I look for on adult friend finder..! I'd do you fine.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: 2good4u on October 20, 2011, 01:06:12 AM
wow i was unaware so many bodybuilders had passed away......so sad :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on March 06, 2012, 06:56:20 AM
Beware of muscle escorting . . . it always ends badly.  :'(

Tier 3


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: Primemuscle on March 06, 2012, 08:41:02 AM
Beware of muscle escorting . . . it always ends badly.  :'(

Tier 3

Why is that? Is it a morality karma? Like in the movies the hooker or gay person often dies, if you haven't noticed. Perhaps it is because some folks who escort feel so badly about it that they get into drugs to mask their ill feelings. Or maybe there is just a lot of escorts/hookers and we only hear about the ones who end badly, as you say. Maybe there are a raft of others who live great lives and we just don't hear about them.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on March 06, 2012, 12:22:51 PM
Why is that? Is it a morality karma? Like in the movies the hooker or gay person often dies, if you haven't noticed. Perhaps it is because some folks who escort feel so badly about it that they get into drugs to mask their ill feelings. Or maybe there is just a lot of escorts/hookers and we only hear about the ones who end badly, as you say. Maybe there are a raft of others who live great lives and we just don't hear about them.

You suggested this earlier and I didn’t go there, but you don’t really believe this do you?  If this were a path to prosperity and fulfillment don’t you think it would be widely known and embraced by now?  There is a reason why drug use is so common among escorts… and it’s not because they are happy.  I think the opposite of what you say is the case: many more escorts wind up dead than we know about... but their deaths are discounted and the connection between their death and escorting is either unknown or undisclosed. It wasn't until relatively recently than escorts left a "paper trail" (online ads, photos, videos) that we can now follow on the internet and trace back to their escorting activities.  :(



Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: Primemuscle on March 07, 2012, 12:03:22 PM
Honestly, I don't know any escorts personally or otherwise. It follows that I have no way then of knowing whether there are some who are happy with their choice to escort. Perhaps one has to be connected to this lifestyle to know whether it is possible for someone who whores themselves can be OK with this.

I did know a fellow a long time ago when we were both in our very early twenties who had very wealthy a sugar daddy lover. The couple of times I visited him at the mansion where they lived in Bel Air, CA, they seemed to get along fine. One time Niles showed up at my house in West Hollywood in a panic and asked if he could stay the night because he'd left Butler after a fight they'd had. He was worried that Butler would send someone to get him or perhaps even kill him. It made for a pretty sleepless night for the both of us. Niles was an accomplished musician who was part of a popular singing group at the time. It was not as if he didn't have his own money and needed to be kept by someone to survive. Maybe that makes a difference. Niles seemed to have a good life although he died fairly young (in his late thirties) from complications as a result of having AIDS.



Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on March 20, 2012, 07:01:09 AM
Sometimes it's the John who ends up dead.  :'(


Police Seek New Person of Interest in Chelsea Killing
Police have released surveillance photos of a man allegedly trying to use the victim's bank card.
By Shimon Prokupecz, Jonathan Dienst and Pei-Sze Cheng

Police have released one man after questioning but are looking for another in connection with the death of a 57-year-old man found bound and gagged in his Chelsea apartment on Friday, NBC New York has learned.

Police late Monday released a set of surveillance photos of a man allegedly caught trying to using John Laubach's bank card after he died, police said. The photos are from an ATM camera.

Earlier Monday, police questioned a 24-year-old man but released him after interviewing him.

John Laubach was found unconscious in his fourth-floor apartment at 212 West 22nd St. in Chelsea just before 8 p.m. Friday, when a friend went to check on him, according to police.

His arms were found bound to the bedpost by an electrical cord, his mouth gagged with tape and his face covered with a towel, authorities said.

Emergency responders pronounced Laubach dead at the scene.

Police sources believe Laubach met his killer on the website rentboy.com, a place where gay men can connect with other men or escorts. This was not the first time he used the site, the sources said.

Neighbors were stunned to learn of his brutal death. They said Laubach had only been in the apartment for about a year and that he lived alone with his pet cockatoo, often seen perched on his shoulder.

"He was friendly with everyone in the building," said one man who lived on Laubach's floor.

Laubach was an active member of a Greenwich Village church and was studying to be a pastor, according to a friend.

"He was searching to put meaning to his life, and he was searching for something that would fulfill him," said Brant Amundson, who helped Laubach recover after he suffered a stroke five years ago.

"He would come in and tell me how much it built up his spirit to be able counsel people and to help people who were in worse shape than he was," he said.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on March 22, 2012, 09:58:08 AM
which is why, when I used to hire professionals (!) on a regular basis, I wired up my 'nanny cam' to  the video recorder.
Always had that sucker on during the encounter; plus, called a buddy of mine and told him where he could the escort's name, cell number and any other contact info ( rentboy ad, etc ).
never had any issues with them and saved a few of the recordings to jack off to later.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on March 24, 2012, 06:41:01 AM
You gotta pay to play (with Ben)!  :P


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on March 24, 2012, 08:35:58 AM
You gotta pay to play (with Ben)!  :P
got my AMEX, Visa, paypal and good ole American greenbacks ready to go!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on March 24, 2012, 03:15:13 PM
got my AMEX, Visa, paypal and good ole American greenbacks ready to go!

How high are you ready to go?  And I'm sure it's cash only!  ;)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on March 25, 2012, 11:18:57 AM
the late, great Barry Voorhees was $500. an hour.
I'd consider at least $400.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on March 25, 2012, 04:09:50 PM
the late, great Barry Voorhees was $500. an hour.
I'd consider at least $400.

Totally Huge?   :D

"Arena league football player who was a lineman on the 1997 ArenaBowl champion Arizona Rattlers, was found dead at his home in Las Vegas of unknown causes at age 39."


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on March 25, 2012, 04:27:32 PM
Barry Voorhees history.... circa 1992  :'(

Playing a Dangerous Game : Drugs: Former Cal State Northridge player is a convicted cocaine dealer who used steroids. Now he is playing for Barcelona of the WLAF, hoping for another NFL opportunity
March 18, 1992 by MIKE HISERMAN and THERESA MUNOZ | TIMES STAFF WRITERS

A muscle-bound, 6-foot-5, 300-pound professional football player addresses the people of Shasta County with a familiar, just-say-no message, reciting the details with emotion and conviction.

He tells of a close friend who died when he smashed his car into the back of a truck after an all-night cocaine binge, and of his own father dying at 46, his life cut short by liquor and cigarettes.

Barry Voorhees, a hometown hero from Redding, even reveals that he experimented with steroids.

"I took steroids, and it was a mistake," he said.

What Voorhees does not say is that he is a convicted cocaine dealer out on bail awaiting his appeal; that he twice was arrested for drug trafficking in the fall of 1989, about the same time he was earning all-conference honors as a senior offensive lineman for Cal State Northridge.

Law-enforcement reports portray Voorhees as a man who sold a variety of illegal drugs to accumulate a small empire, including real estate and several expensive vehicles.

The judge who sentenced Voorhees to four years in prison on Dec. 17, 1990, described him as a "giant dope dealer," one who ran a "six-figure" business and someone who admitted making armed deliveries of cocaine for an unidentified Colombian connection.

In a court declaration by Walter F. Jekot, a West Los Angeles physician who has been indicted on 27 counts of illegally distributing steroids, Voorhees is accused of exchanging promises of a homosexual relationship for steroids. Voorhees denies there was a sexual relationship.

Voorhees, 28, was an informant in a federal investigation of the doctor, whose patients also include former Raider star Lyle Alzado and Dallas Cowboy defensive lineman Danny Noonan.

All that aside, Voorhees is preparing to begin his second season as a starter for the Barcelona Dragons of the World League of American Football. Barcelona played its first exhibition game of the season last Thursday in Orlando, Fla., then left for Europe the next day.

But Voorhees may be back any day.

He has been subpoenaed to testify at Jekot's trial, which is set to begin April 7 in federal court in Los Angeles. And he could also be sent to prison if his appeal is rejected.

Since his conviction, Voorhees has navigated a tenuous path, just as he did during college when he balanced two budding careers: one as a football player, the other as a peddler of cocaine, speed, the hallucinogenic drug Ecstasy, marijuana, human-growth hormone and steroids.

In the meantime, he attempts to dismiss his past.

Reached at the Dragons' training camp in Orlando, Voorhees at first denied his criminal record, then changed his mind, saying: "All of that happened a long time ago. Each day of my life since then I've been trying to sweep it under the rug and let it go by."


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on March 26, 2012, 12:56:52 PM
Totally Huge?   :D

"Arena league football player who was a lineman on the 1997 ArenaBowl champion Arizona Rattlers, was found dead at his home in Las Vegas of unknown causes at age 39."
yup, that's Barry.
met in Dallas when he was visiting with a stripper gf of his.
then took him to Palm Springs for a weekend.
nice guy; kinda shy about the whole escorting thing, and liked to bottom. his dick was not as big as i was expecting, huge thighs and loved to get rimmed.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on March 26, 2012, 02:54:30 PM
yup, that's Barry.
met in Dallas when he was visiting with a stripper gf of his.
then took him to Palm Springs for a weekend.
nice guy; kinda shy about the whole escorting thing, and liked to bottom. his dick was not as big as i was expecting, huge thighs and loved to get rimmed.

TMI!  Ha ha ha ha!  ;D

But you gotta love how popular this thread is!  179935 as of right now!  :-*


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: maxbenner on March 31, 2012, 08:37:15 PM
yup, that's Barry.
met in Dallas when he was visiting with a stripper gf of his.
then took him to Palm Springs for a weekend.
nice guy; kinda shy about the whole escorting thing, and liked to bottom. his dick was not as big as i was expecting, huge thighs and loved to get rimmed.

please tell more!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: Primemuscle on March 31, 2012, 11:35:56 PM
please tell more!

Please don't.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on April 01, 2012, 06:19:56 AM
Please don't.

;D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on April 09, 2012, 07:42:10 PM
I was recently notified that a competing pro was on this escort site not too long ago.  He may sill be there, but i don't care enough to look. ::)

http://hourboy.com/


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on April 21, 2012, 07:38:40 AM
Gigolos Make Fantasies Come True
Part 3: Some women aren't afraid to admit they're paying for companionship.

http://www.sho.com/sho/gigolos/home
 
:-\

$650 = two hours
$6000 = a full weekend
17500 = a week long trip to Paris (does not include expenses)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on April 21, 2012, 01:53:34 PM
Gigolos Make Fantasies Come True
Part 3: Some women aren't afraid to admit they're paying for companionship.

http://www.sho.com/sho/gigolos/home
 
:-\

$650 = two hours
$6000 = a full weekend
17500 = a week long trip to Paris (does not include expenses)

wow. Barry Voorhes was only $1500 for a weekend. Then again, he didn't have a SHO background; just the Giants!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on April 21, 2012, 02:22:06 PM
wow. Barry Voorhes was only $1500 for a weekend. Then again, he didn't have a SHO background; just the Giants!

You got a bargain!  ;D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on April 23, 2012, 07:34:03 PM
yup, and he bottomed.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on April 24, 2012, 06:17:49 AM
yup, and he bottomed.

Let me put on my "surprise face!"  ;D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on June 14, 2012, 06:45:47 PM
Erik, dead at 30.  :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 09, 2012, 05:38:25 AM
wow. Barry Voorhes was only $1500 for a weekend. Then again, he didn't have a SHO background; just the Giants!

I hired Barry / Totally Huge a few times. He was a nice guy (although emotionally troubled), and yes, he did bottom for me as well. I always took him out for a big meal before our sessions, and he ate a lot. We talked a lot about his football career, and I tried to help him as much as I could outside of the client-bodybuilder relationship. He grew very sad (even more than usual) after the death of his elderly mother, and I think it was an OD on painkiller, sleeping pill type meds that ultimately killed him.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 09, 2012, 05:48:51 AM
Here is the "new meat" escort that the old schmoes at Muscle Service are posting about. He goes by the name of Big Justin and he is based in Boston. Those vampires at that board are so glad to have some new blood they are falling all over themselves! How long will it take those toxic parasites at the MSS board to suck him dry and spit him out, like they always do?

(http://i46.tinypic.com/i4gu2t.jpg)

The first "review" for Justin's services show a very disappointed schmoe that feels like he got played because he only got muscle worship when he wanted more.

http://www.daddysreviews.com/cruise/newest


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on July 09, 2012, 06:53:18 AM
I hired Barry / Totally Huge a few times. He was a nice guy (although emotionally troubled), and yes, he did bottom for me as well. I always took him out for a big meal before our sessions, and he ate a lot. We talked a lot about his football career, and I tried to help him as much as I could outside of the client-bodybuilder relationship. He grew very sad (even more than usual after the death of his elderly mother, and I think it was an OD on painkiller, sleeping pill type meds that ultimately killed him.

I have heard this line many times over the years, and even now it still does not make sense to me.  If one wants to help a prostitute, hiring them to turn tricks is not the way to do it in my view.  Did you "care" about Barry?  If not why were you trying to "help" him? Was it simply so that you could continue to have access to his body?  If you did care about him, why were you patronizing his prostitution services thereby keeping him stuck in that dynamic?

I'm not questioning you so much as the whole john/whore dynamic and the way both parties rationalize their own behavior (to themselves).  :-\


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on July 09, 2012, 06:57:55 AM
Here is the "new meat" escort that the old schmoes at Muscle Service are posting about. He goes by the name of Big Justin and he is based in Boston. Those vampires at that board are so glad to have some new blood they are falling all over themselves! How long will it take those toxic parasites at the MSS board to suck him dry and spit him out, like they always do?

The first "review" for Justin's services show a very disappointed schmoe that feels like he got played because he only got muscle worship when he wanted more.

http://www.daddysreviews.com/cruise/newest


I am not trying to pick a fight, but aren’t you one of the “parasites” you refer to above?  You have said you have been hiring muscle escorts for twenty years in countries all around the world—spending as much as $5000.  If you see those other guys as “vampires” and “toxic parasites” how are you any different?

Barry, whom you hired multiple times, ended up dead.  Do you think you were part of the toxic dynamic that put him in his grave?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: Primemuscle on July 09, 2012, 07:14:09 AM
I have heard this line many times over the years, and even now it still does not make sense to me.  If one wants to help a prostitute, hiring them to turn tricks is not the way to do it in my view.  Did you "care" about Barry?  If not why were you trying to "help" him? Was it simply so that you could continue to have access to his body?  If you did care about him, why were you patronizing his prostitution services thereby keeping him stuck in that dynamic?

I'm not questioning you so much as I the whole john/whore dynamic and the way both parties rationalize their own behavior (to themselves).  :-\

Having never hired anyone for sex, I don't have experience with these types of relationships. However, I believe you are correct when you suggest that statements like this person's are merely attempts to rationalize or justify one's own experiences or behaviors. Seems to me if someone genuinely wanted to help someone who earned a living as an escort, they'd help them to get a different job and not by hiring them to work as an escort for oneself.

No doubt there are people who at some point in their lives make money off their sexual appeal to others whether that is by being an escort/prostitute or by going into some profession which solely relies on one's being attractive to others. Not all these people end up badly. Some people do parlay using their physical assets into getting them in the door for other ventures. Actors are frequently hired because of their looks, but to be successful in the longterm they must also be good at their craft of acting. If someone honestly believes they have nothing to offer but their bodies in exchange for money, that must eventually feel pretty demeaning. Honestly, I wouldn't personally know since I am a rather ordinary looking individual who would have starved if I ever had to rely on my appearance and sexual attraction for an income. Plus, I like to be the one in control of my life pretty much all the time and in every circumstance.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 09, 2012, 07:52:44 AM
I have heard this line many times over the years, and even now it still does not make sense to me.  If one wants to help a prostitute, hiring them to turn tricks is not the way to do it in my view.  Did you "care" about Barry?  If not why were you trying to "help" him? Was it simply so that you could continue to have access to his body?  If you did care about him, why were you patronizing his prostitution services thereby keeping him stuck in that dynamic?

I'm not questioning you so much as I the whole john/whore dynamic and the way both parties rationalize their own behavior (to themselves).  :-\

How about, because I do not place a moral value on prostitution or personal drug use, like some people do? Because I don't believe that being a whore. or an addict, or an alcoholic, or even a convict makes someone a person not worthy of compassion? That I could ask the same question to anyone who cheers on their bodybuilding or athlete heroes to be bigger, faster, harder and stronger, yet acts all righteously indignant when they open their eyes and find out what they had to do to get big, fast, hard and strong?

I didn't "care" about Barry any more than I "care" about anyone else I meet whom I have dealings with in business. Unlike the "pathetic" schmoes at that board I refer to, I do not now and never have had any visions of sugar plums dancing in my head about these guys; similar to straight and gay men alike who like to solicit strippers and pole workers, I know they are who they are and do not think my relationship with them creates any special bond between me and them. However, that does not preclude me from treating them with general kindness and respect, as I would with anyone I have a business relationship.

One of my assistants at the office was arrested for DUI and spiraled into a bipolar depression. I am not her close friend and I owe hier nothing more than what the employment laws require, but I still was concerned for her as a human being and reached out to see if she was OK or needed anything in her time of difficulty. I didn't respond, "well, that's your shit. See you on the rebound."

You admittedly posted or were a member of at the same escort-client board you like to derail and deride. You consistently post photos (lurid and otherwise) and derive pleasure from the same big men who escort, use hard drugs and may or may not suffer from similar issues as some of these BBers who have succumbed to death or disease. Is your only difference between you and the schmoes, in your view, is that you do not spend money on them?

Barry's problems started LONG before he chose to escort. I am not and never try to be a Captain Save-A-Ho .However being kind to someone, even those who whore themselves out for money, never hurt.

I hope this helps you to understand my viewpoint.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 09, 2012, 08:02:05 AM

I am not trying to pick a fight, but aren’t you one of the “parasites” you refer to above?  You have said you have been hiring muscle escorts for twenty years in countries all around the world—spending as much as $5000.  If you see those other guys as “vampires” and “toxic parasites” how are you any different?

Barry, whom you hired multiple times, ended up dead.  Do you think you were part of the toxic dynamic that put him in his grave?


As I said upthread, Barry's problems started LONG before he chose to escort. I was not his priest, or his psychiatrist, or his counselor, or his lover. I was a business client. I have done plenty of business with investment bankers and brokers on Wall Street and internationally who have problems similar to those that Barry and other bodybuilder escorts or g4p bodybuilders have had. That never precluded me from transacting business with them. My concern is only from a human level.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 09, 2012, 08:29:11 AM
Having never hired anyone for sex, I don't have experience with these types of relationships. However, I believe you are correct when you suggest that statements like this person's are merely attempts to rationalize or justify one's own experiences or behaviors. Seems to me if someone genuinely wanted to help someone who earned a living as an escort, they'd help them to get a different job and not by hiring them to work as an escort for oneself.


If you are referring to me, that's fucking ridiculous. First of all, I'm not a Captain Save-A-Ho. Secondly, this isn't the movie "Pretty Woman" --some people, particularly grown men, actually choose a life as a sex worker, and for whatever reason, prefer it. Some careers and lifestyle choices just attract more damaged people -- like escorting, bodybuilding, pole dancing, porn, acting, investment banking. (If anything, I would probably steer someone away from being a corporate mergers and acquisitions lawyer or an investment banker. You ever seen the rate of alcoholism and addiction in these fields?) Why are you singling out escorts?

Some people smoke cigars or weed. Some people like to high roll in Vegas. I sponsor and hire g4p freaky big-ass bodybuilders with my mad money. I also date the hottest men I can, and they are usually big bodybuilders because that's what I like. When I dated women, they all were hot as fuck too. You may not understand or agree with it, but by your own admission, you're pretty ordinary. I roll in circles where men have their trophies and expect the best for themselves and will gladly pay for it. You don't see too many frumpy women married to my straight colleagues in high finance -- well, not for long, at least. I worked hard to get where I am today, and to keep myself relatively sane, and in fit shape and attractive looks, and that with the money goes a LONG way.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 09, 2012, 09:56:46 AM
Actors are frequently hired because of their looks, but to be successful in the longterm they must also be good at their craft of acting.

Did you actually type that while keeping a straight face?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: Primemuscle on July 09, 2012, 05:02:37 PM
If you are referring to me, that's fucking ridiculous. First of all, I'm not a Captain Save-A-Ho. Secondly, this isn't the movie "Pretty Woman" --some people, particularly grown men, actually choose a life as a sex worker, and for whatever reason, prefer it. Some careers and lifestyle choices just attract more damaged people -- like escorting, bodybuilding, pole dancing, porn, acting, investment banking. (If anything, I would probably steer someone away from being a corporate mergers and acquisitions lawyer or an investment banker. You ever seen the rate of alcoholism and addiction in these fields?) Why are you singling out escorts?

Some people smoke cigars or weed. Some people like to high roll in Vegas. I sponsor and hire g4p freaky big-ass bodybuilders with my mad money. I also date the hottest men I can, and they are usually big bodybuilders because that's what I like. When I dated women, they all were hot as fuck too. You may not understand or agree with it, but by your own admission, you're pretty ordinary. I roll in circles where men have their trophies and expect the best for themselves and will gladly pay for it. You don't see too many frumpy women married to my straight colleagues in high finance -- well, not for long, at least. I worked hard to get where I am today, and to keep myself relatively sane, and in fit shape and attractive looks, and that with the money goes a LONG way.

This is not a judgment but rather just an observation; your life seems very shallow to me. I am hardly a romantic, according to my wife, but I am human and as such want more from life than just having sex with hot looking but (according to you), sometimes fucked up people.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: Primemuscle on July 09, 2012, 05:05:22 PM
Did you actually type that while keeping a straight face?

Are you saying that acting skills have nothing to do with the profession of acting? Keep in mind that the majority of actors are very ordinary looking people. Only some celebrities are perpetually beautiful or handsome. So yes, my face was straight.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 09, 2012, 05:26:51 PM
This is not a judgment but rather just an observation; your life seems very shallow to me. I am hardly a romantic, according to my wife, but I am human and as such want more from life than just having sex with hot looking but (according to you), sometimes fucked up people.

I very much enjoy my life, I am glad that you enjoy yours. And if you want to live an ordinary life, and avoid shallow, fucked-up, damaged people, I strongly suggest you star away from the "sport" of bodybuilding.

I have found that most highly successful, driven people in any field are very intense, often extremely focused on a sole objective, and quite a bit self-absorbed, and most "ordinary people" find them very hard to relate to. It's a life that most people on the outside looking in say they want, but when all is said and done, most don't have the personality for it.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: Primemuscle on July 09, 2012, 07:37:09 PM
I very much enjoy my life, I am glad that you enjoy yours. And if you want to live an ordinary life, and avoid shallow, fucked-up, damaged people, I strongly suggest you star away from the "sport" of bodybuilding.

I have found that most highly successful, driven people in any field are very intense, often extremely focused on a sole objective, and quite a bit self-absorbed, and most "ordinary people" find them very hard to relate to. It's a life that most people on the outside looking in say they want, but when all is said and done, most don't have the personality for it.

My interests in the "sport" of bodybuilding may be different than yours. Mainly, I like working out because it makes me feel good and improves my health. While there was a time when I was really focused on being more muscular. Mainly because I had been such a twink as a kid that I wanted to be more manly looking as an adult, but also because I am a bit of a control freak and one can, to some degree, control many of the aspects of bodybuilding; things such as how much weight they can lift and what the results of an exercise routine will be. Clearly one doesn't have total control because there are other factors such as genetics that play into it too.

Even when I was really focused on being big, I didn't ever want to end up looking like a circus freak or a cartoon superhero. I just wanted to look fit and healthy with a little size. These days, I am rethinking the size part because being a senior citizen maintaining both size and good health seems somewhat counter-productive. Anyway, like I wrote somewhere else no one really wants to look at some old fart in a thong and clothes definitely look much better on leaner people.

My friends usually describe me as being very laid-back and not very intense at all. One friend of mine once told me that I walked as if I had nowhere to be. I took that as a compliment. However, when I am working out, I am working out and not standing around shooting the breeze like some folks do.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on July 11, 2012, 04:17:55 AM
finally, this is turning into a great thread to read.
after Barry and i played a couple times he did offer up a long term-monthly service fee of $1000. Like a 'retainer fee'. I would deposit the !000. in his account and I would be eligible for a minimum of two visits per month. I thanked him for this novel idea but declined. I'm guessing I'm not the only one of his clients this offer was presented to.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on July 11, 2012, 07:09:22 AM
finally, this is turning into a great thread to read.
after Barry and i played a couple times he did offer up a long term-monthly service fee of $1000. Like a 'retainer fee'. I would deposit the !000. in his account and I would be eligible for a minimum of two visits per month. I thanked him for this novel idea but declined. I'm guessing I'm not the only one of his clients this offer was presented to.

Just think how cheated you'd feel had you made your regular deposit, and the next time you called him you couldn't reach him--because he croaked!  Your money would be gone with no chance for a refund or redress.  >:(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on July 11, 2012, 01:44:04 PM
Just think how cheated you'd feel had you made your regular deposit, and the next time you called him you couldn't reach him--because he croaked!  Your money would be gone with no chance for a refund or redress.  >:(
which is a great reason why I didn't take up his kind offer.
i wasn't looking for a long term service contract.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: io856 on July 11, 2012, 10:08:47 PM
Just think how cheated you'd feel had you made your regular deposit, and the next time you called him you couldn't reach him--because he croaked!  Your money would be gone with no chance for a refund or redress.  >:(
regular deposit of semen?  :D


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on July 12, 2012, 10:02:41 AM
regular deposit of semen?  :D
;D ;D ;D
for once I let a pun/ironic statement slide and someone else highlights it!  lol


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 25, 2012, 03:29:07 PM
IFBB pro Steve Namat doing g4p nude j/o posing.

http://mymusclevideo.com/media/27294/Steve_Namat_nude_webcam/


IFBB pro Manuel Romero doing nude g4p posing.

http://mymusclevideo.com/media/27290/Manuel_Romero_webcam/


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on July 26, 2012, 06:25:12 AM
IFBB pro Steve Namat doing g4p nude j/o posing.

http://mymusclevideo.com/media/27294/Steve_Namat_nude_webcam/


IFBB pro Manuel Romero doing nude g4p posing.

http://mymusclevideo.com/media/27290/Manuel_Romero_webcam/

The internet is forever!  :-*


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 26, 2012, 07:01:10 AM
The internet is forever!  :-*

Yep. Sort of like herpes!  :-*


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on July 26, 2012, 07:32:33 AM
As I have said many times before: it is not a big leap to go from bodybuilding... to private posing... to pornography and/or escorting.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 26, 2012, 07:53:46 AM
As I have said many times before: it is not a big leap to go from bodybuilding... to private posing... to pornography and/or escorting.

It's extremely common in cultures (and considered no big deal) that are much less Puritanical and hypocritical than the United States. Romero is from Venezuela, and Namat is Hungarian. And don't even get me started about the bodybuilders in Brazil, Argentina, Australia or Thailand. Even in some Arab countries. Sexuality is considered a fluid currency in most cases, except Western culture where everyone is put into a box and has to be either straight or gay or bi. It's incredibly ignorant. Most Americans really need to travel more.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on July 26, 2012, 11:26:28 AM
I agree more Americans need to travel, but let’s be real: they are not performing in Venezuela and Hungary.  They are in America and they well know that peddling themselves to men on gay sites like ilovemuscle is going to cost them street cred in a sport that likes to pretend that homosexuality does not exist--among judges, the fans, and among the (married?) athletes.

I would not mind hearing Steve explain his decision to pose on that site and whether or not he thinks doing so (or doing other things) impacts his career in this sport (or any other kind of career).

Muscle escorting is obviously not new and it certainly isn't disappearing anytime soon.  I can recall some time ago a well built getbigger noting that he was willing to pose on cam for money, and he would even private pose nude in a room with a guy (for enough money), but he drew the line at touching because that was “too gay” and he was straight.  It is curious where people "draw the line" as it were.  Some will kiss but not oral, some will oral, but not anal.  Some will top but not bottom.  Some will even do all of the above, as long as no one calls them "gay."  ::)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 26, 2012, 11:45:21 AM
I agree more Americans need to travel, but let’s be real: they are not performing in Venezuela and Hungary.  They are in America and they well know that peddling themselves to men on gay sites like ilovemuscle is going to cost them street cred in a sport that likes to pretend that homosexuality does not exist--among judges, the fans, and among the (married?) athletes.

Slight correction: Manuel Romero IS performing from his residence in Venezuela. Many of the BBers who pose at livemuscleshow pose on webcam from the safety of their residences in their home countries for paid clients all over the globe. However, that doesn't prevent them from meeting well-heeled sponsors who will fly them to the US  and Europe (that's another story for the OTHER thread - http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=430425.0)!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 26, 2012, 12:00:36 PM
Here is yet another bodybuilder / MuscleHunks model who is escorting in Europe.

(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/d4f366a51826c92356d2905ec6cd868fda032029.jpg)

(http://www.mikesmusclemen.com/images/1202/volti-0.jpg)

(http://www.mikesmusclemen.com/images/1202/volti-4.jpg)



Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on July 26, 2012, 12:17:48 PM
Has he been in a contest recently?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: yngclassic98 on July 26, 2012, 12:42:56 PM
Slight correction: Manuel Romero IS performing from his residence in Venezuela. Many of the BBers who pose at livemuscleshow pose on webcam from the safety of their residences in their home countries for paid clients all over the globe. However, that doesn't prevent them from meeting well-heeled sponsors who will fly them to the US  and Europe (that's another story for the OTHER thread - http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=430425.0)!

This doesn't surprise me. I'm sure its old news and has been discussed to death, but I noticed long ago that their aren't too many American competitors on sites such as MuscleHunks or the like. There has always been somewhat of a "mental censor" in the US, despite our claim to be so open minded and forward thinking, and that censor has taken its toll on American bodybuilding. The stigma alone of some that follows guys who avoid the sport or even watching it just because the competitors are oiled up and wearing speedos validates that. Meanwhile, it seems other countries embrace all aspects of the sport, even posing without the speedo. The foreign boys use their alias names, and still their faces (and bodies) are easily recognized by those familiar with the sport and they aren't not deterred from putting on the best possible show. I have been using Manuel Romero as a guide for my own training for a while, and seeing him perform on cam in all of his magical glory was awesome for me lol.

Bay's right...Bodybuilding is just a hop, skip, and a jump away from all kinds of other ventures. But you never who's privately posing or escorting or gardening or God knows what else in their private time. Technically its not even our business until it ends up on the Internet lol


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 26, 2012, 12:53:44 PM
Has he been in a contest recently?

Should we even care?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 26, 2012, 01:12:05 PM
The owner and operator of the MuscleHunks / LiveMuscleShow / PowerMen sites makes about $4M to $6M a year off his various muscle websites and has a grand house in South Beach. Obviously, there's a lot of $$$$$ in G4P!


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on July 26, 2012, 01:15:55 PM
Should we even care?

You have elected to limit most of your postings to the sex forum and that is certainly your prerogative, but this is still a bodybuilding board and, yes, many of us here are interested in contests, placings, training, nutrition, etc.  I often wonder about the thought processes of those who are so very drawn to bodybuilders but have zero interest in fitness or bodybuilding for themselves.  There used to be a fellow here named alasdair mackenzie who famously said, "I have never really liked pictures of the bodies of older men even though I am over 60 myself now. Mind you I have never worked out in my life as my involvement in bodybuilding has been restricted to photography.  I much prefer the aesthetics of a younger man."  Think about that for a moment...  a man in his 60s who likes to look at and photograph teenage bodybuilders but has no interest in working out himself.  Any way you look at it, that is not a pretty picture.  :-[

Do your work out or train?  Is your interest in bodybuilding limited to what you can rent by the hour?  


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 26, 2012, 01:39:15 PM
You have elected to limit most of your postings to the sex forum and that is certainly your prerogative, but this is still bodybuilding board and, yes, many of us here are interested in contests, placings, training, nutrition, etc.  I often wonder about the thought processes of those who are so very drawn to bodybuilders but have zero interest in fitness or bodybuilding for themselves.  There used to be a fellow here named alasdair mackenzie who famously said, "I have never really liked pictures of the bodies of older men even though I am over 60 myself now. Mind you I have never worked out in my life as my involvement in bodybuilding has been restricted to photography.  I much prefer the aesthetics of a younger man."  Think about that for a moment...  a man in his 60s who likes to look at and photograph teenage bodybuilders but has no interest in working out himself.  Any way you look at it, that is not a pretty picture.  :-[

Do your work out or train?  Is your interest in bodybuilding limited to what you can rent by the hour?  

You consistently post photos of and make comments about gay porn stars and escorts who are not competitive bodybuilders. Many of which would not even do well on a competitive stage and frankly, have that "not so well", lipodystrophic, old gay Castro queer look. And you question why I post a picture on your precious muscle escorting thread of a guy who may not have competed recently? You can be a real piece of work.

BTW, I am nothing near 60. I am sure I am younger than you.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: Primemuscle on July 26, 2012, 01:40:58 PM
You have elected to limit most of your postings to the sex forum and that is certainly your prerogative, but this is still bodybuilding board and, yes, many of us here are interested in contests, placings, training, nutrition, etc.  I often wonder about the thought processes of those who are so very drawn to bodybuilders but have zero interest in fitness or bodybuilding for themselves.  There used to be a fellow here named alasdair mackenzie who famously said, "I have never really liked pictures of the bodies of older men even though I am over 60 myself now. Mind you I have never worked out in my life as my involvement in bodybuilding has been restricted to photography.  I much prefer the aesthetics of a younger man."  Think about that for a moment...  a man in his 60s who likes to look at and photograph teenage bodybuilders but has no interest in working out himself.  Any way you look at it, that is not a pretty picture.  :-[

Do your work out or train?  Is your interest in bodybuilding limited to what you can rent by the hour?  

I workout less today then I have in the past, although I am getting back to it following my recent surgery. Albeit, I am restricted as to how much weight I can heft for a few more weeks, this doesn't stop me from doing cardio, which, since I decided to slim down a fair amount, isn't necessarily a bad thing.

While I used to like looking at photos of well built guys of all ages for inspiration, I am now looking at guys more my age. No matter how much I desire to look like a 20 or 30 year old bodybuilder, that isn't going to happen at this juncture. If I can still look as good as someone in great shape who is 50 or 60 years old, that is good enough for me.

I have never rented a person by the hour and I have no intention of doing so at this point in my life.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on July 26, 2012, 05:18:49 PM
I workout less today then I have in the past, although I am getting back to it following my recent surgery. Albeit, I am restricted as to how much weight I can heft for a few more weeks, this doesn't stop me from doing cardio, which, since I decided to slim down a fair amount, isn't necessarily a bad thing.

While I used to like looking at photos of well built guys of all ages for inspiration, I am now looking at guys more my age. No matter how much I desire to look like a 20 or 30 year old bodybuilder, that isn't going to happen at this juncture. If I can still look as good as someone in great shape who is 50 or 60 years old, that is good enough for me.

I have never rented a person by the hour and I have no intention of doing so at this point in my life.

Good for you. Sounds like a healthy outlook.  :)


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: lovemuscle on July 26, 2012, 07:01:00 PM
I would very much like to engage pro male bodybuilders.
How does one get in contact with them?
I feel very sad for the beautiful powerful men who lost their lives so needlessly.
Calling them schmoes is immoral.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on July 27, 2012, 04:56:56 AM
I feel very sad for the beautiful powerful men who lost their lives so needlessly.
Calling them schmoes is immoral.


The "schmoes" are not the bodybuilders; they are the admirers.



Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on December 20, 2012, 12:15:15 PM
Ex-Olympian admits to double life
Former track star says she worked for high-priced escort service in Las Vegas, offers reasoning.
By The Associated Press


Three-time Olympian runner Suzy Favor Hamilton has admitted leading a double life as an escort.

She apologized Thursday after a report by The Smoking Gun website said she had been working as a prostitute in Las Vegas.

The 44-year-old Favor Hamilton lives in Madison, Wis. The Smoking Gun said she has been working for the last year for an escort service.

Soon after the story appeared online, Hamilton released a series of tweets saying in part that she was "drawn to escorting in large part because it provided many coping mechanisms for me when I was going through a very challenging time with my marriage and my life."

A middle-distance runner, Favor Hamilton competed for the U.S. at the Olympics in 1992, 1996 and 2000 but did not win a medal. She won seven U.S. national titles.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on December 20, 2012, 03:08:57 PM
Olympian Suzy Favor Hamilton worked as high-priced escort
By Houston Mitchell

Former U.S. Olympic runner Suzy Favor Hamilton has been working for the last year as a high-priced escort, charging clients up to $600 an hour.

The story was first reported by thesmokinggun.com. A reporter for the website approached Hamilton in the lobby of a Las Vegas hotel. At first she denied it, before finally admitting she was an escort.

On her Twitter account Thursday, Hamilton took full responsibility for her actions:

"I cannot emphasize enough how sorry I am to anyone I have hurt as a result of my actions and greatly appreciate the support from family and those closest to me.

"I fully intend to make amends and get back to being a good mother, wife, daughter, and friend."

She also talked about her reasons for becoming an escort:

"I was drawn to escorting in large part because it provided many coping mechanisms for me when I was going through a very challenging ... Time with my marriage and my life. It provided an escape from a life that I was struggling in. It was a double life."

And she said she was seeking help:

"I do not expect people to understand, but the reasons for doing this made sense to me at the time and were very much related to depression.

"I have been seeking the help of a psychologist for the past few weeks and will continue to do so after I have put things together."

Hamilton is married and has a 7-year-old daughter. Her escort life was uncovered when she was outed by a client, but she told The Smoking Gun that she won't be vindictive by telling who it was.

“He totally broke all the rules by outing me. I don’t want to be like him.
Because he is scum. And I will not become scum to make myself feel good,” Favor Hamilton said. “I will not do it. I would suffer rather than go that route of being vindictive.”

Hamilton ran in the 1992, 1996 and 2000 Olympics, failing to medal each time. She is a winner of nine NCAA running titles, specializing in the 800- and 1,500-meter events while at the University of Wisconsin.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: tbombz on February 05, 2013, 03:37:36 AM
ttt


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on April 02, 2015, 02:15:22 PM
Gay porn star accused of blackmail, threatened wealthy man
BY MATT HAMILTON

A gay porn star is accused of blackmailing an unidentified wealthy man out of $500,000 by threatening to broadcast the lurid details of his personal life, according to federal officials.

FBI agents arrested Teofil Brank -- better known by his stage name Jarec Wentworth -- on March 4 after investigators say he tried to exact the ownership of a condo and $1-million cash from the man, who is referenced in court documents as D.B.

In a March 20 indictment, Brank, 25, was charged with one felony count of extortion by threatening to injure someone’s reputation. If convicted, he faces up to two years in federal prison.

Brank is scheduled to appear in court Thursday for a bail review hearing. A judge previously denied bail, deeming him a flight risk, but Brank’s attorneys appealed the decision.

According to a sworn affidavit, Brank began sending D.B. text messages on Feb. 16, demanding $500,000 cash and the man’s Audi sports car.

The adult performer pledged to post photos and other details of the man’s trysts through his Twitter account, according to the affidavit. Prosecutors say Brank published a damaging comment online about the unidentified man, then removed it.

“I’m just going to bite hard,” Brank said in a text message to the man, according to court documents. “I want a new car, motorcycle and both hands full of cash.”

D.B. complied, wiring money and handing over the car, but Brank’s demands continued, prosecutors said.

D.B.’s attorneys contacted the FBI two weeks later, and a sting operation was set up at a Starbucks in El Segundo, according to the affidavit.

An undercover agent gave Brank the title to the Audi R8 inside the coffee shop, but said the $1 million was stored in the trunk of his car, the affidavit said. Outside, agents arrested the porn star and found a loaded revolver in his car.

D.B.’s actual identity has prompted speculation outside the courtroom and has become a point of dispute as the case moves forward.

A U.S. District judge ordered prosecutors to disclose the victim’s name in court last week, but the man’s attorney objected, prompting further review.

The public defenders representing Brank argued that the public has a right to know D.B.’s name, noting that D.B. is alleged to have paid Brank for sex and to find him other sexual partners, according to a brief filed Tuesday.

D.B.’s attorneys, however, say revealing his identity would compromise his rights as a victim, and they are seeking an order that would exclude mention of D.B.’s name until a trial.

Federal prosecutors, according to a brief filed Tuesday, have sided with D.B.’s attorneys, noting that he would face “the very harm threatened by the defendant.”

Pending a judge's ruling, all parties are barred from mentioning his name on the record.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: YellaDawg on April 02, 2015, 03:22:22 PM

The wealthy man is rumored to be the CEO of MagicJack.

http://str8upgayporn.com/jarec-wentworth-donald-burns-sean-cody-extortion/

Gay porn star accused of blackmail, threatened wealthy man
BY MATT HAMILTON

A gay porn star is accused of blackmailing an unidentified wealthy man out of $500,000 by threatening to broadcast the lurid details of his personal life, according to federal officials.

FBI agents arrested Teofil Brank -- better known by his stage name Jarec Wentworth -- on March 4 after investigators say he tried to exact the ownership of a condo and $1-million cash from the man, who is referenced in court documents as D.B.

In a March 20 indictment, Brank, 25, was charged with one felony count of extortion by threatening to injure someone’s reputation. If convicted, he faces up to two years in federal prison.

Brank is scheduled to appear in court Thursday for a bail review hearing. A judge previously denied bail, deeming him a flight risk, but Brank’s attorneys appealed the decision.

According to a sworn affidavit, Brank began sending D.B. text messages on Feb. 16, demanding $500,000 cash and the man’s Audi sports car.

The adult performer pledged to post photos and other details of the man’s trysts through his Twitter account, according to the affidavit. Prosecutors say Brank published a damaging comment online about the unidentified man, then removed it.

“I’m just going to bite hard,” Brank said in a text message to the man, according to court documents. “I want a new car, motorcycle and both hands full of cash.”

D.B. complied, wiring money and handing over the car, but Brank’s demands continued, prosecutors said.

D.B.’s attorneys contacted the FBI two weeks later, and a sting operation was set up at a Starbucks in El Segundo, according to the affidavit.

An undercover agent gave Brank the title to the Audi R8 inside the coffee shop, but said the $1 million was stored in the trunk of his car, the affidavit said. Outside, agents arrested the porn star and found a loaded revolver in his car.

D.B.’s actual identity has prompted speculation outside the courtroom and has become a point of dispute as the case moves forward.

A U.S. District judge ordered prosecutors to disclose the victim’s name in court last week, but the man’s attorney objected, prompting further review.

The public defenders representing Brank argued that the public has a right to know D.B.’s name, noting that D.B. is alleged to have paid Brank for sex and to find him other sexual partners, according to a brief filed Tuesday.

D.B.’s attorneys, however, say revealing his identity would compromise his rights as a victim, and they are seeking an order that would exclude mention of D.B.’s name until a trial.

Federal prosecutors, according to a brief filed Tuesday, have sided with D.B.’s attorneys, noting that he would face “the very harm threatened by the defendant.”

Pending a judge's ruling, all parties are barred from mentioning his name on the record.



Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: chadstallion on April 03, 2015, 02:43:52 PM
500K for that? wander into any nice bar in WEHO and you could get something just as good if not better for $500.00


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on April 18, 2015, 03:40:30 AM
I am two years late with the news, but beautiful Rock Bruno is dead.  Heart attack.  :'(


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: Kwon_2 on May 05, 2015, 01:17:46 AM
or as one stripper put it to me emotionally i am all about the women physically its anyone who can get me off

Huh?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: chadstallion on May 05, 2015, 12:47:32 PM
Huh?
or as a married guy told me, before i blew him...'whatever pleases my penis pleases me'


Title: Re: Muscle escorting
Post by: mphgrove on September 18, 2015, 10:37:41 AM
San Francisco Pro Invitational - IFBB Overall Winners

1998 - Levrone, Kevin

2001 - Cormier, Chris

2002 - Priest, Lee

2003 - Cutler, Jay

2004 - Jackson, Dexter

2005 - Cormier, Chris

Things that make you go hmmm...

Bump.  Saw this post in passing through this thread.  The statement "two of the SF Pro winners have done it" made me think of a story from a few years back.  The very same two listed in the group above came to physical blows over this very topic at Firehouse in Venice one night.  They were having words over another matter when Mr. Down-Low fires off with, "If only everyone knew how you've been making your money this year!"  Mr. Notorious wasn't about to take this from Mr. Down-Low (given what he knew about Mr. Down-Low's own money making ventures) and fires back, "Who the hell are YOU to talk?!"  This led to physical blows and Mr. Notorious definitely got the best of this scuffle the way it was told to me.


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: BayGBM on May 07, 2016, 04:55:38 AM
Where do some wrestlers go once they leave the ring?  Why escorting... of course.  ::)

http://cowboys4angels.com/cowboy/marcus-bagwell/

Marcus Bagwell's Rates
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Four Hour Rate    $1,550
Overnight Rate    $3,000
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Weekly Rate    $25,000


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: Simple Simon on September 10, 2016, 12:56:35 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=36549.0;attach=496921;image)

Paralympics?


Title: Re: Muscle escorting (4 schmoes)
Post by: 98mustang on March 20, 2018, 12:41:17 PM
I am two years late with the news, but beautiful Rock Bruno is dead.  Heart attack.  :'(

sad day I learned this today :-[ :-[